text,label ": >What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost? : Since the Quadra is the only Mac able to deal with 5MB/s and Hard drives START : at 160MB I have NO idea. : For the Mac I have the following {These are ALL external} : 20MB $299 {$15/MB} : 52MB $379 {$7.3/MB} : 80MB $449 {$5.63/MB} : 120MB $569-$639 {$4.75-$5.33/MB : 210MB $979-$1029{$4.67-$4.90/MB} : 320MB $1499-$1549 {$4.68-$4.84/MB} : 510MB $1999-$2119 ($3.92-$4.31/MB} : etc I thought you might want the latest prices: As of MacWeek 4/12/93: Meg: Int Ext 20M - couldn't find one available. 42M - $159 $219 85M - $199 $269 127 - $279 $349 170 - $299 $359 All above are quantum, low profile (1"") 3.5"" drives 240 - $369 $449 525 - $899 $979 1225- $1499 $1569 - the last three are quantum 1/2 height 3.5"" drives. [ bunch o stuff deleted ] : SCSI came FROM the high end computer world with multitasking OS were the : standard for the most part. Hear, hear. ",3 "Hi! I remember reading (or hallucinating) that NCD's PC-Xremote functionality had been given, by NCD, to MIT for inclusion in X11R6. Is this true? If so, (set mode/cheap) can I just wait for X11R6 to get compressed serial line X server support? Thanks!",5 "===== This is a posting for my friend who does not have USENET access ======== ===== Please contact him (not me) directly, thank you ======================== 1. The Mac II is supposed to have a socket for the MC68851 PMMU chip. Could anyone let me know where that socket is on the motherboard. I have obtained a PMMU chip (16 Mhz) from a surplus store, and would like to install it onto my Mac II (circa 1987). But I cannot see the socket myself when I tried to install it. 2. Could anyone send me the pinouts for the Mac II SCSI DB-25 interface? Thank you.",4 "Dbase IV, ver 1.5, 3.5 disks. Manuals still shrinkwrapped, and all registration materials present. Asking $125. ",6 "> MOTOROLA EXPO VHF 2WATT/2CHAN. HT--------[new]-------$1200.00 > Would like $400, or BEST OFFER!!! I'm sure that the Motorola is worth it, but this kind of thing has always mystified me. $400 is the price of very good, new dual-band, fully synthasized HT. Yes, yes, I know Motorola HTs are bullet-proof, unbreakable, plutonium-based indestructable -- you can drive a tank over them and they'll still work. But just how often does that come up? Why are hams willing (and they *are*) to spend the price of a synthaszied dual-bander for a 2-channel xtal rig??? Note: this is not a flame; as I said, I'm sure this is a good deal for this rig. I'm just amazed that it *is* a good deal. I would have guessed that a 2 channel xtal rig could never be worth as much as a dual- bander to a ham, no matter how durable. Just shows you how wrong *I* can be. Mike, N4PDY",6 " It seems radio reports were overly optimistic. All Clinton wants to cut is $2.5 Billion for community block grants, keeping in summer jobs. Hmmm, well, looks like we need to keep up the pressure on our congresspersons.",18 "OK, here's something for all of those people who think cops are always more responsible then the rest of the population. I found this article in the Rocky Mountain Collegian, Colorado State University's newspaper. SUSPENDED POLICE OFFICER ARRESTED IN REVENGE TRIPLE HOMICIDE PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) -- A police officer afraid he would be fired for allegedly assaulting a teen-ager walked into an auto body shop wher the youth worked, said ""You're going to die"" and fatally shot him and two others, police said. A fourth youth was wounded. A fifth escaped injury by hiding under a car. The wounded youth ran about two blocks to a house after the shooting at about midnight Tuesday and called police. He was hospitalized in satisfactory condition Wednesday. Suspended police officer Robert Sabetta, 23, of Cranston, was arrested at gunpoint over three hours after the shooting at Wilson's Auto Enterprises in Foster, a rural town of about 4,000 people in northwest Rhode Island. Well, this just goes to show that cops are capable of snapping, just like everyone else. Now who was it who said only cops should have guns?",16 " Gulp. [Disclaimer: This opinion is mine and does not represent the views of Fermilab, Universities Research Association, the Department of Energy, or the 49th Ward Regular Science Fiction Organization.] ",14 "Right on the heels of the Clinton ""registered encryption key"" debacle comes: Wonder how much of that extra money goes into coming up with encryption schemes they can easily crack?",11 "* The Keenan hiring is precipitated by the loss of an anticipated $5M in playoff revenue and fears of losing season ticket-holders (!), plus Paramount chief Stan Jaffe's chip against the Flyers over l'Affaire Lindros last autumn. Add to this that Neilsen might return as an assistant coach [Gerald, what'd I say earlier today??], and Roger conferred with Jaffe on the hiring. This hiring by Jaffe went over the head of MSG, Inc. (Par. subsidiary) head Bob Gutkowski and over the head and the protests of Pres./GM Neil Smith. * MSG is making the announcement on Saturday to get back at the Islanders for making the playoffs (i.e., steal the press). * Flyers owner Ed Snyder is livid and beside himself over this. * Keenan will make up to $900,000/yr. * Gary Bettman has appointed an independent consul to look at Gil Stein's admission into the Hall of Fame. * New crease colours, rather than blue? * The Oilers will charge to eat in the Press Room next year. gld",10 ": Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation : who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. : Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin : to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! I'm an advocate of this idea for funding Space Station work, and I throw around the $1 billion figure for that ""reward."" I suggest that you increase the Lunar reward to about $3 billion. This would encourage private industry to invest in space, which should be one of NASA's primary goals. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368",14 "What's the deal? c.s.h. has nothing on it yet. Is it in OT, is it over, what? I want to know! We all want to know! Where's Roger when you need him?!?!?!?! :-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!",10 " On of the attributes of being sacred in this case is that they should not be spoken of in a ""common manner"" or ""trampled under feet"" such as the Lords name is today. The ceremonies are performed in the temple because the temple has been set aside as being as sacred/holy/uncommon place. We believe that the ceremonies can only be interpreted correctly when they are viewed with the right spirit- which in this case is in the temple. So from our point of view, when they are brought out into the public, they are being trampled under feet, because of misinterpretations and mocking, and it is therefore offensive to us. Please do not assume that because of my use of the words 'we' and 'our' that I'm an official spokesman for the LDS church. I am merely stating what I believe is the general feeling among us. Others feel free to disagree. ",15 " Joystick A: 1 +5 VDC 2 Button 1 3 X Axis 4 Ground 5 Ground 6 Y Axis 7 Button 2 8 + 5 VDC Joystick B: 9 +5 VDC 10 Button 1 11 X Axis 12 Ground 13 Y axis 14 Button 2 15 +5 VDC --- . SLMR 2.1 . Soft judges make hardened criminals. ",12 " Clemens is going on his normal four days' rest (last pitched Saturday). Hesketh only pitched one inning yesterday afternoon, his first outing since an aborted 1-1/3 inning start 6 days before, so he should be plenty rested to go in his expected turn this Saturday, as the 5th starter. Not that this is a good thing, of course. I'd like to see a well-managed four-man rotation with this team... --- Glenn Waugaman Digital Equipment Corporation Littleton, MA g_waugaman@nac.enet.dec.com",9 "... One of the items in the group folder (typically called Norton Desktop Applications) is labelled ""Norton Desktop Uninstall"". Need I say more! ",2 "My point is that you set up your views as the only way to believe. Saying that all eveil in this world is caused by atheism is ridiculous and counterproductive to dialogue in this newsgroups. I see in your posts a spirit of condemnation of the atheists in this newsgroup bacause they don' t believe exactly as you do. If you're here to try to convert the atheists here, you're failing miserably. Who wants to be in position of constantly defending themselves agaist insulting attacks, like you seem to like to do?! I'm sorry you're so blind that you didn't get the messgae in the quote, everyone else has seemed to.",0 " As a former Catholic and now as a very active Lutheran - it is some of the ""innovations"" of the Mass which made me leave the Catholic Church and return to the more traditional Catholic Chuch - the Lutherans. I spent many years as a Lector reading the Passion parts as appropriate in the Catholic Church and I found it very meaningful. Our Lutheran parish just instituted the ""Tenebrae"" service for Good Friday and I was the lector for a paraphrased Passion which was exceptional. I heard and learned things that I have previously overlooked in the Gospels - yet those ""facts"" were always there. As a matter of interest, the pastor and I were talking about the differences between the RC and Lutheran Church during Holy Week over breakfast Easter Sunday. My wife is the member of the liturgy committee in the family (called music and worship at our church). Our pastor does have control of this committee but listens very carefully to the committee's suggestions. It needs a strong hand to lead and guide, to keep the intent and the message clear and strong as it should be through Lent and the rest of the liturgical year. Additional reason for my leaving the Catholic faith - lack of any selfless spiritual guidance by priests in my parishes. AKA ""wishy-washy"". As you may gather from my comments, I feel that it is very important, ir- regardless of denominational guidelines, to have a service/Mass which promotes the true reason that we are gathered there. I am quite comfortable in a traditional Mass, with receiving Holy Communion on the tongue, the Sacrament of PENANCE (not Reconciliation), Stations of the Cross, so on and so forth. The reason other types of Masses and parishes exist is because these feelings are not shared by everyone. I want more people to attend church and to find the Lord, but I don't want them attending a show. It's not. My church works hard to have a meaningful service during Lent on Wednesdays, but follow traditional Lutheran Book of Worship guidelines. Where things are changed or omitted during Lent (such as the Hymn of Praise) it is noted so that we are aware of the reasons that it is Not there. Quite frankly, it is very hard for a non-Catholic to go to a Mass and ""fit in"". My dear wife never could (former Methodist). And Holy Week Masses and Vigils would intimidate the daylights out of a non-Catholic. Those Catholics who have beared with me this far understand what I mean. Please keep in mind why we are there - to gather together in worship. Not to worry about how something is done or not done. If there is something wrong that you feel needs addressing, by all means talk to your priest or pastor. I have only ever met one who wouldn't listen. They are there to provide spiritual guidance and to help. Use them. My differences with the Catholic Church are much more fundamental - but my decision to change faiths was done with prayer, intervention, and sessions with priests and ministers. In Christ, Kershner -- Kershner Wyatt kwyatt@ccscola.ColumbiaSC.ncr.com",15 "As quoted from <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu> by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: Kind of sounds like Plessy v. Ferguson, huh? Of course as in that case, things change, huh? No, if your little fantasy comes to pass, the country will have gone TOWARD the KKK. You're of course being a little disengenuous. Violent solutions are never passe FOR THE GOVERNMENT and CRIMINALS (who frequently) cannot be distinguished). ""Avoid situations which encourage criminals""? You mean don't be a woman? Don't be Black? Don't be gay? I'm quite certain that having a surfeit of unarmed victims will discourage your beloved KKK from engaging in ""violent solutions"".... ",16 " As one of the happily sleeping people, I would just like to ask this-> aren't people just slightly overreacting to this? Or are we all of a sudden going to draw parallels to Nazi Germany and Communist Russia? The point of the matter is that; yes this is a serious problem. But it is not the end of the world. Guess what? We're doing something now you can't do in a Communist country or Nazi Germany. We're complaining about it, (or rather, you're complaining about it) and nobody is shooting at us. (Or, rather, if they're shooting at me, they have real bad aim. (:-) ) GUESS WHAT PEOPLE? You live in one of the few countries in the world where a person can complain without getting shot at. People are always complaining that somebody did this wrong, or somebody did that wrong, or whatever. Sit down and figure out two things: 1) What have they done right? 2) How much worse can it get? And you'll find that you and I, are pretty damn lucky. So let's talk about it, get some action going, decide what's going on. But let's not overreact! ",11 " : I wonder how many atheists out there care to speculate on the face of : the world if atheists were the majority rather than the minority group : of the population. I've been thinking about this every now and then since I cut my ties with Christianity. It is surprising to note that a large majority of people, at least in Finland, seem to be apatheists - even though 90 % of the population are members of the Lutheran Church of Finland, religious people are actually a minority. Could it be possible that many people believe in god ""just in case""? It seems people do not want to seek the truth; they fall prey to Pascal's Wager or other poor arguments. A small minority of those who do believe reads the Bible regularly. The majority doesn't care - it believes, but doesn't know what or how. People don't usually allow their beliefs to change their lifestyle, they only want to keep the virtual gate open. A Christian would say that they are not ""born in the Spirit"", but this does not disturb them. Religion is not something to think about. I'm afraid a society with a true atheist majority is an impossible dream. Religions have a strong appeal to people, nevertheless - a promise of life after death is something humans eagerly listen to. Coupled with threats of eternal torture and the idea that our morality is under constant scrutiny of some cosmic cop, too many people take the poison with a smile. Or just pretend to swallow (and unconsciously hope god wouldn't notice ;-) ) : Also, how many atheists out there would actually take the stance and accor a : higher value to their way of thinking over the theistic way of thinking. The : typical selfish argument would be that both lines of thinking evolved from the : same inherent motivation, so one is not, intrinsically, different from the : other, qualitatively. But then again a measuring stick must be drawn : somewhere, and if we cannot assign value to a system of beliefs at its core, : than the only other alternative is to apply it to its periphery; ie, how it : expresses its own selfishness. If logic and reason are valued, then I would claim that atheistic thinking is of higher value than the theistic exposition. Theists make unnecessary assumptions they believe in - I've yet to see good reasons to believe in gods, or to take a leap of faith at all. A revelation would do. However, why do we value logic and reasoning? This questions bears some resemblance to a long-disputed problem in science: why mathematics works? Strong deep structuralists, like Atkins, have proposed that perhaps, after all, everything _is_ mathematics. Is usefulness any criterion? Petri ",0 "Tom Barrasso wore a great mask, one time, last season. He unveiled it at a game in Boston. It was all black, with Pgh city scenes on it. The ""Golden Triangle"" (Pgh's downtown area where the 3 rivers meet) graced the top, along with a steel mill on one side and the Civic Arena (I think) on the other. On the back of the helmet was the old Pens' logo (the really fat little penguin with the blue scarf) the current (at the time) Pens logo, and a space for the ""new"" (now current) logo. Tommy had designed the mask, and his mother (an artist) painted it for him. But while wearing the mask, the Pens got thumped by the Bruins. The very next game, Tommy was back to the old paint job. A great mask done in by a goalie's superstition.",10 "I recently decided to try using emm386.exe for a memory manager and when I tried to print to my printer in lpt1 from word55 I wouldn't work. It would send the linefeeds for the top margin and then the printer READY light would go off and stop working. I disabled emm386.exe and the problem went away. I would like to continue using emm386.exe if possible. I would greatly appreciate any comments or suggestions!! please send them to arthur@u.washingt,",3 "Hi, someone is selling his bmw R65 ( I think it's an '84 ) w/ 15k miles for $2200. He says it's in great condition and perfect shape. It's got the 2 hard saddle bags, too. Is this a good deal? Seems like an awesome deal. Is it - assuming that everything he says is true ? Thanks, Jae ",8 "Showing a meaningless (relatively) baseball game over the overtime of game that was tied up with less than 3 seconds left on the clock? Gimme a break! Where does ESPN get these BRILLIANT decisions from?",10 " First, what the fuck is NASA doing wasting my tax dollars doing policy papers on stuff far outside of their purvew/mission? Second, this isn't a problem of economics. This is a problem of the incremental accumulation of police-state powers by our government. How, exactly, do you put a price on the loss of freedom of a society? Maybe use the dollars/life lost calculations for the extra people killed by the gov. The pain and suffering cases for those tortured. The dollars/life lost caused by the inevitable collapse of the economy, and all the secondary effects of diseases, diet, etc. Plus, the inevitable collapse of the economy as the gov controls it, becomes corrupt, etc. Do us a favor. Resign rather than right this paper for NASA. Go do useful work for the society. lew",11 "DH>>Does anyone out their have a mountain tape backup that I could compare DH>>notes with, (jumper settings, software, ect...) DH>>or does anyone know where I could contact the makers of this drive ? DH>You can contact Mountain Network Solutions at: DH>800-458-0300 (general number) DH>408-438-7897 (tech support) DH>408-438-2665 (bbs) Thanks very much for the info David ! Especially for their tech and BBS lines. This should get me going... Bye ! ___ X SLMR 2.1a X It's only a hobby ... only a hobby ... only a",3 "it seems the 200 miles of trailering in the rain has rusted my bike's headers. the metal underneath is solid, but i need to sand off the rust coating and repaint the pipes black. any recommendations for paint and application of said paint? thanks!",8 ,15 "I believe it goes or will go: 680060 powerPC Pentium 680040 486 680030 386 680020 286=680000 In a resent article in one of the macMags I think a 50mHz 030 accelerator was slightly slower than a 25mHz 040 accel. But, this is using a system designed for the 030. So, It stands to reason that a system designed for an 040 ie quadra) would do better. So overall I'd figure 040 = 030 * 2.5 or so. Along the same lines the new POwerPC stuff is supposed to run the system at the level of a fast quadra, but system 8 or whatever will allow 3 times the speed of a 040 in the powerPC based systems. and wait for the 680060. I think it laps the pentium. pro-life pro-women ",4 " [Andi's posting deleted...] Hamaza's only comment is: Andi, when you get the full-fledged support of Hamaza Salah, you know you're on the wrong track. ",17 "********************************************************************** 2ND CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS NAVY SCIENTIFIC VISUALIZATION AND VIRTUAL REALITY SEMINAR Tuesday, June 22, 1993 Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center (formerly the David Taylor Research Center) Bethesda, Maryland ********************************************************************** SPONSOR: NESS (Navy Engineering Software System) is sponsoring a one-day Navy Scientific Visualization and Virtual Reality Seminar. The purpose of the seminar is to present and exchange information for Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality programs, research, developments, and applications. PRESENTATIONS: Presentations are solicited on all aspects of Navy-related scientific visualization and virtual reality. All current work, works-in-progress, and proposed work by Navy organizations will be considered. Four types of presentations are available. 1. Regular presentation: 20-30 minutes in length 2. Short presentation: 10 minutes in length 3. Video presentation: a stand-alone videotape (author need not attend the seminar) 4. Scientific visualization or virtual reality demonstration (BYOH) Accepted presentations will not be published in any proceedings, however, viewgraphs and other materials will be reproduced for seminar attendees. ABSTRACTS: Authors should submit a one page abstract and/or videotape to: Robert Lipman Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division Code 2042 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 VOICE (301) 227-3618; FAX (301) 227-5753 E-MAIL lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil Authors should include the type of presentation, their affiliations, addresses, telephone and FAX numbers, and addresses. Multi-author papers should designate one point of contact. ********************************************************************** DEADLINES: The abstact submission deadline is April 30, 1993. Notification of acceptance will be sent by May 14, 1993. Materials for reproduction must be received by June 1, 1993. ********************************************************************** For further information, contact Robert Lipman at the above address. ********************************************************************** PLEASE DISTRIBUTE AS WIDELY AS POSSIBLE, THANKS. ********************************************************************** Robert Lipman | Internet: lipman@oasys.dt.navy.mil David Taylor Model Basin - CDNSWC | or: lip@ocean.dt.navy.mil Computational Signatures and | Voicenet: (301) 227-3618 Structures Group, Code 2042 | Factsnet: (301) 227-5753 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 | Phishnet: stockings@long.legs",1 " : >True, man did not invent the need for food, shelter, warmth and the ilk, : >but man did invent the property laws and the laws of trespass. : But how do you think property is generated ? Does it grow automatically : on trees when we wish so, or someone has to produce it ? Some say it was generated by God or Goddess; some say it was the result of the coalescence of billions of tons of interstellar debris. In either case, the property of which Xavier speaks has been around for millions of years. : It all follows from the fact that Mother Nature does not : provide us automatically with our needs, Oh? When did She *stop*? Mother Nature has been automatically providing us with her bounty ever since we crawled out of the primordial ooze. It is not ""produced"": it produces itself, year after year. Last night, for example, I saw four deer crossing the road (pretty sight, too); in an earlier time, one of them would have been dinner. : There are 2 ways to go with produced things: the first is to : _trade_ it with the the person(s) who produced it. : The other one is to take it with a gun from the person who produced : it. The first way is the civilized method, the second is how savages : arrange their affairs. The American Indians had no concept of ownership of property, and often freely gave of their supplies to neighboring tribes, trading food and clothing for weapons or services. The Native Hawaiians, like their Polynesian ancestors, also could not conceive of that idea, and shared many things with the other Islanders. In fact, ""hi'ipoi"", the Hawaiian word for ""cherish"" means ""sharing food"". The Great Mahele, in which the Islands were divided up more-or-less evenly between the rich and the poor, was a white man's idea. In Africa, villagers will often share tools, crops, and clothing with other members of their own village and neighboring villages. Every anthropologist who has ever been to Africa has at least one tale of the difficulties arising from the so- called ""theft"" of the scientists possessions -- two concepts of which, until the visitors came along, the natives had no understanding. These are the people we call ""savages"". On the other hand, car-jackings and muggings are up from last year. Dov, before you make further comment on this thread, I think it would behoove you to study *all* of the facts. ",18 " Is this being done with the motherboard's SCSI interface? If this is possible then a bit of experimenting with just plain old clock oscillators may be in order. Give us some more details please.",4 " Animal Rights people have been know to do that to other ""Bike riding dogs.cats and Racoons. ",8 "I wanted to know if any of you out there can recommend a good book about graphics, still and animated, and in VGA/SVGA. Thanks in advance ",1 "Great, the first advantage of cheap coax, I've ever heard. Cheers Robert (HB9NBY) ",12 " ",9 "frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes ... While I'll agree that these are generally held to be ""good things"", I question whether they come very close to being objective values. Especially considering that at one time or another each has been viewed as being undesirable. I doubt you could even come up with anything that could be said to be universally ""good"" or ""bad"". And when I referred to ""the truth"" I was using the term hypothetically, realizing full well that there may not even be such a thing. True enough. But they cannot be said to be anything more than personal morals. One thing notably lacking in most extremists is any sense of _personal_ accountability - the justification for any socially unacceptable behaviour is invariably some ""higher authority"" (aka, absolute moral truth). An objective truth that says one cannot know the objective truth? Interesting notion. :-) Certainly one can have as one's morals a belief that compromise is good. But to compromise on the absolute truth is not something most people do very successfully. I suppose one could hold compromise as being an absolute moral, but then what happens when someone else insists on no compromise? How do you compromise on compromising? Almost invariably when considering the relative value of one thing over another, be it morals or consequences, people only consider those aspects which justify a desired action or belief. In justifying a commitement to peace I might argue that it lets people live long & healthy and peaceful lives. While that much may well be true, it is incomplete in ignoring the benefits of war - killing off the most agressive member of society, trimming down the population, stimulating production. The equation is always more complex than presented. To characterize relative morals as merely following one's own conscience / desires is to unduly simplify it. ",0 " I recall reading in the recently revised edition of the ""Yeast Connection"" that there is indeed work by researchers to do this. Of course, they are working on the theory that candida overbloom with penetration into mucus membrane tissue with associated ""mild"" inflammatory response can and does occur in a large number of people. If you reject this ""yeast hypothesis"", then I'd guess you'd view this research as one more wasteful and quixotic endeavor. Stay tuned. Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club.",13 "briefly, since i'm off to sleep. mle's work pretty well for AA nd AAA players. players who are 22 and younger will tend to have explosions in their numbers, whether mMLE's or not, in the next 2 years... players who are 26 and OLDER, at those levels, generally have inflated MLE's. they're about as reliable as having major league stats for a player.",9 " oh yes, i'm quite sure they will :)",8 "... You can tell, folks, when the man has run out of reason: attack the man's beliefs (in legal terminology, argument ad hominem: attack the man, not what he did that has yet to be proven illegal)> WRONGo. Remember the fire movie a couple of years ago? ""Backdraft""? The scene in the factory with propane gas coming out of pipes and gasoline all over the floor, with a 750 degree flame front overhead? Note that it did not flash all at once? Fires ignite and burn unpredictably. Gases (like tear gas) mix and distribute unevenly. And flash unevenly. You are not a fire analyst. You cannnot tell. (NB: Neither am I. And I cannot tell Nor is the FBI spokesman Nor is Reno Maybe we all should shut up and get a forensics analysis first. Yes,. there was a flash: in one room, just pumped full of it., ",19 " Here are some contacts for generic CD-ROM drivers: Optical Access International 800 West Cummings Park, Suite 2050 Woburn MA 01801 (617) 937-3910 (617) 937-3950 fax AppleLink: OAI FWB, Inc. 2040 Polk Street, Suite 215 San Francisco, CA 94109 (415) 474-8055 (415) 775-2125 fax AppleLink: FWB Optical Media International 180 Knowles Drive Los Gatos, CA 95030 (408) 376-3511 (408) 376-3519 fax AppleLink: OMI Trantor Systems (for Intel architecture machines) 5415 Randall Place Fremont, CA 94538 (415) 770-1400 AppleLink: TRANTOR Software Architects (not verified) 11812 North Creek Parkway N. Suite 202 Bothell, WA 98011 AppleLink: SOFTARCH.DEV To send a message to someone on AppleLink, use the form address@applelink.apple.com where ""address"" is replaced by the appropriate applelink address.",4 " I'd like to point out that I was in error - ""Terminator"" began posting only six months before he purchased his first firearm, according to private email from him. I can't produce an archived posting of his earlier than January 1992, and he purchased his first firearm in March 1992. I guess it only seemed like years. Back to your regularly scheduled flame fest. ",16 " window, MotionNotify, &Return)) ; XmScaleGetValue(scaleImage,&value); /*map value to file entry in directory and finally obtain file name to open*/ However, when I move the pointer in the scale widget I get callbacks, with of co urse a null effect as my MB1 is not pressed to move the scale button. So what is goin g wrong? Or is the a wrong approach to this problem? Any hints are highly appreciated.",5 ,11 "Yes! what you are saying is absolutey true, but what you fail to mention is the fact that the LCIII uses the new 72 pin simms which allow 32 bit access to each simm. In the case of the LC III, it only has one simm slot, but accesses will be 32 bits wides. *************************************************************************** The views expressed in this posting those of the individual author only. [BBS Number:(613) 848-1346 MacContent is VictoriaÕs first Iconic BBS!] *************************************************************************** ",4 " I've read estimates that Pol Pot killed somewhere in the neighborhood of 2 million. Drew ",16 ,2 "Hello , I think you are probaly right, in spite of the movement it is getting better each day. cheers",13 "[...lostsa' crap deleted. trim your articles!...] last i heard, ""non-lethal"" was a bit of a misnomer for these things. jason ",16 " You're right, I bailed out in Diff Eq. Nevertheless, I would suggest to YOU that there is a difference between a ""proposed BILL, stalled in Congress"" and a ""executive order, crammed down OUR THROATS"". Do you disagree? Went to the Post Office on Friday, got my passport apps in.",18 " ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ocean Reconnaissance Launch Surprises West Space News, April 5-11, 1993, p.2 [Excerpts] Russia launched its first ocean reconnaissance satellite in 26 months March 30, confounding Western analysts who had proclaimed the program dead. The Itar-TASS news agency announced the launch of Cosmos 2238 from Plesetsk Cosmodrome, but provided little description of the payload's mission. However, based on the satellite's trajectory, Western observers identified it as a military spacecraft designed to monitor electronic emissions from foreign naval ships in order to track their movement. Geoff Perry of the Kettering Group in England... [said] Western observers had concluded that no more would be launched. But days after the last [such] satellite re-entered the Earth's atmosphere, Cosmos 2238 was launched. ""Cosmos-2238"" Satellite Launched for Defense Ministry Moscow ITAR-TASS World Service in Russian 1238 GMT 30 March 1993 Translated in FBIS-SOV-93-060, p.27 by ITAR-TASS correspondent Veronika Romanenkova Moscow, 30 March -- The Cosmos-2238 satellite was launched at 1600 Moscow time today from the Baykonur by a ""Tsiklon-M"" carrier rocket. An ITAR-TASS correspondent was told at the press center of Russia's space-military forces that the satellite was launched in the interests of the Russian Defense Ministry. ",14 "Second week of January (prime ski season at one of the largest Poconos ski areas). Just north of Allentown. Condo sleeps 6-8 depending on how friendly you all are. Has hot tub, deck. Easy access to parking lot and shuttle to slopes (condo is a few miles from the slopes). Cost: $6000 OBRO, price based on what we paid for it (used, also) and current market. [RICHR]",6 "- Am I justified in being pissed off at this doctor? - - Last Saturday evening my 6 year old son cut his finger badly with a knife. - I took him to a local ""Urgent and General Care"" clinic at 5:50 pm. The [story deleted] - be bothered. My son did get three stitches at the emergency room. I'm still - trying to find out who is in charge of that clinic so I can write them a - letter. We will certainly never set foot in that clinic again. - The people in charge already know what kind of 'care' they are providing, and they don't give a rat's ass about your repeat business. You are much more likely to do some good writing to local newspapers, and broadcast news shows. If you do, keep the letter short and to the point so they don't discard it out of hand, and emphasize exactly what you are upset about. It's possible that the local health department can help you complain to someone official, but really, that 'clinic' exists for the sole purpose of generating walk-in income through advertising, and *nothing* you can do will change them -- all you can hope for is to help someone else avoid them. I'm glad it sounds like your son did ok, anyway.",13 " I'm sure it is, and I am not amused. Every time I read that part of the TIFF spec, it infuriates me- and I'm none too happy about the complexity of the spec anyway- because I think their ""arbitrary but carefully chosen number"" is neither. Additionally, I find their choice of 4 bytes to begin a file with meaningless of themselves- why not just use the letters ""TIFF""? (And no, I don't think they should have bothered to support both word orders either- and I've found that many TIFF readers actually don't.)",1 "I'm writing an X server for some video-generation equipment. The hardware is ""truecolor"" in YUV space; in X terms it has a 24-bit static color visual. I would really like to have the server just present this static visual, but I'm not sure if this will be acceptable to ""most"" X clients. The three problems I see are: 1) The colormap, though huge, is static. 2) All pixels would be 3 bytes wide. 3) Because the hardware actually lives in YUV space, the translation RGB->YUV will introduce some rounding error. Being more of a server guy than a client guy, I ask: will these limitations thwart many X clients? Or will most of the X stuff floating around blithely accept what they're given? I could write the server to also present a pseudocolor visual of, e.g., 8 bits, but I'd rather avoid this if not necessary. I know there are no absolutes, but I'd appreciate hearing people's opinions and suggestions. Thanks! ",5 "Hi, I'm just getting into PoVRay and I was wondering if there is a graphic package that outputs .POV files. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Later'ish Craig ",1 "/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / groverc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Grover Cleveland) / 9:07 am Apr 14, 1993 / Shop for your bike in Sacramento - the Bay area prices are always much higher than elsewhere in the state. GC ---------- Affirmative! Check Sacramento Bee, Fresno Bee, Modesto, Stockton, Bakersfield and other newspapers for prices of motos in the classifieds...a large main public library ought to have a number of out-of-town papers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division, 350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 ",8 "Afraid I can't give any more info on this.. and hoping someone in greter NETLAND has some details. A short story in the newspaper a few days ago made some sort of mention about how the Japanese, using what sounded like a gravity assist, had just managed to crash (or crash-land) a package on the moon. the article was very vague and unclear. and, to make matters worse, I didn't clip it. does this jog anyone's memory? ",14 " The French Canadian rule was an extremely short term feature when the universal draft was instituted in the sixties and only lasted for a few years...and really didn't have any substantial effect during that period. The Canadiens Stanley Cup achievements were earned on a level playing field.",10 " This is posted on behalf of Peter Tattam. There is a North American mirror with the beta test version of WinTrumpet for Winsock. Please contact me or Peter for details. Ashok",2 " It's not the fact that it can't exist that bothers me. It's the fact that you don't seem to be able to define it. If I wanted to hear about indefinable things that might in principle exist as long as you don't think about them too carefully, I could ask a religious person, now couldn't I?",0 "Is clear coat really worth it? Yes, on the showroom floor, the cars have this deep, lustrous shine that just can't be found on paint jobs that aren't clear coated. On the other hand, it seems that every clear coated car that I've seen on the road (in a parking lot, etc.) has fine scratches throughout the paint job. As does, alas, my 1992 Laser. Several weeks ago I had my car professionally polished and waxed. When I picked it up, it had that same showroom shine that I remember from a year ago when I bought it. Several days ago I took my car to the dealership for some work. As an added bonus, they washed my car. Unfortunately, whoever washed it either didn't get the roof (which is black, the rest of the car is red) completely clean before he dried it, or he used a dirty towel. Now my showroom shine is a haze of fine scratches that aren't really visible until the light hits the roof at a particular angle. I am, to put it mildy, somewhat peeved about this. Do I have any chance of getting the dealership to do something about this? My guess is 'no'. Is there any product on the market that provides a solution to this problem? Or am I faced with the prospect of having the car professionally polished again to hide the scratches? Information, commiseration, and sympathy all greatly appreciated . . .",7 "To my fellow Columbian, I must ask, why do you say that I engage in fantasies? Arafat is a terrorist, who happens to have a lot of pull among Palestinians. Can we ignore the two facts? I doubt it.",17 "The following press release was distributed April 1 by NASA Headquarters. Space Station Redesign Advisory Members Named Along with Dr. Charles M. Vest, recently named by Vice President Albert Gore to head the advisory committee on the redesign of the Space Station, NASA has announced the names of representatives from government and industry and academic experts from across the country to participate in an independent review of the redesign options being developed by NASA. ""I am extremely honored to have been selected to lead this important review panel. America's future in science and technology and as a world leader in space demands our utmost attention and care,"" said Vest. ""We have assembled a diverse panel of experts that, I believe, will bring the appropriate measures of insight, integrity and objectivity to this critical task."" The advisory committee is charged with independently assessing various redesign options of the space station presented by NASA's redesign team, and proposing recommendations to improve efficiency and effectiveness of the space station program. Space station international partners also are being asked to participate and will be named at a later date. The advisory committee will submit its recommendations in June. Advisory committee members named today include: Dr. Charles Vest Dr. Bobby Alford President, MIT Executive VP & Dean of Medicine Baylor College of Medicine Mr. Jay Chabrow Dr. Paul Chu President, JMR Associates Director, Texas Center for Superconductivity University of Houston Dr. Ed Crawley Dr. John Fabian Prof of Aero & Astro President & CEO MIT ANSER Maj. Gen. James Fain Dr. Edward Fort Deputy Chief of Staff for Chancellor Requirements; Headquarters North Carolina AT&T USAF Materials Command State University Dr. Mary Good Mr. Frederick Hauck Senior VP of Technology President, International Technical Allied Signal, Inc. Underwriters Dr. Lou Lanzerotti Mr. William Lilly Chair, Space Sciences National Academy of Public Board, National Research Administration Council Mr. Duane McRuer Dr. Brad Parkinson President Systems Technology Prof of Astro & Aero Stanford University Dr. Robert Seamans Dr. Lee Silver Former NASA Deputy Admin. W.M. Keck Foundation Professor for Resource Geology California Institute of Technology",14 " Cannot? Try, will not. --- ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men."" Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) April 4, 1993",0 " Please, PAY ATTENTION. I, and others, were referring to TOTAL HOMICIDE DEATHS, NOT JUST HANDGUN HOMICIDES. In terms of how likely are you to be killed, (regardless of how it's done, 'cause DEAD is DEAD), the UK has a higher homicide rate. Period. You are more likely to be killed in the UK than in Switzerland. If you were to be murdered with a handgun, then yes, Switzerland has a higher rate. But, to belabor the point, you are MORE LIKELY to be murdered in the UK. In that sense, the weapon is irrelevant. The UK is more violent, period. Al [standard disclaimer]",16 "I have a Hewlett-Packard LaserJet Series II Paper Tray for sale. Its letter size (8.5 - 11), brand new in the box and never used. I'm asking $40.00 (bought new at Ballard Computer for $65.95)",6 "hi folks i have 2 hd first is an seagate 130mb the second a cdc 340mb (with a future domain no ram) i'd like to change my 2 controller ide & scsi and buy a new one with ram (at least 1mb) that could controll all of them any companies? how many $? and is it possible via hw or via sw select how divide the ram cache for 2 hd? (for example using dos that is about all on one hd i'd like to reserve ram cache just to it)",3 "I just ordered a Saturn SL1 after considering a few imports. Frankly, the Saturn way of doing business and service was a *very* big plus. I hadn't bought a new car since I bought my Honda 4WD back in '85, and I was unbelieveably offended by most salespeople I met. Saturn was indeed very different. I made three different visits to the dealer where I bought my car, and was never pressured. Saturn also had the best after-sales support, and the fixed pricing made it *very* easy for me to decide exactly what I wanted to buy. Another big selling point was running into my mechanic at the dealer. He's been fixing imports for 20 years...and bought a Saturn, based on what he's seen and heard from his customers. Saturn also has a good extended warranty program; $675 for 6 year/60K miles, fully refunded if you don't use it. That works out to an actual cost of $170 or so, based on the 6 year treasury rates. Using savings account rates it's more like $120. In the first three years it also buys you free rental during any warranty work, without counting against the refund.",7 " Nope, it's 24 lbs. lightrer than the 900. A single disk that is quite impressive. WIth two fingers on the lever, much to Beth's horror I lifted the rear wheel about 8"" in a fine Randy Mamola impression. ;{> I have a feeling that it's going to be fast enough that Beth will give a few liter bike riders fits in the future. The steering locks are adjustable. Beth sees fine out of them... I see 2/3 of them filled with black leather.",8 " Question: If a team uses 40 players in a season do you merely divide the total +/- by 40? If so, a player who plays in only 1 game is considered equally valuable as a player who plays in all of them. Since the standard deviation for each team is different, I am unsure how ""transferable"" between teams that these stats are. Shouldn't the average standard deviation in the league be used? I am interested in seeing each method. But I still think that mine is the best. If for no other reason than familiarity.",10 " Your best bet is the Dodge Intrepid with the SOHC 24 valve 3.4? six. it gets 214 hp, and has a hell of a lot of room, great styling, and ABS, with four wheel disk breaks. The LH cars won Automobile magazines ""automobile of the year"" award, and are quiet impressive. ",7 "THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary For Immediate Release April 15, 1993 STATEMENT BY THE PRESS SECRETARY The President will travel to Pittsburgh on Saturday, April 17 to talk about his job creation plan and its impact on the state of Pennsylvania, where it would create as many as 3,818 full time jobs and up to 21,240 summer jobs. He will make a public address at Pittsburgh International Airport at 9:30 am. The President will leave Washington early Saturday morning and return that afternoon. A White House press charter will depart Andrews Air Force Base at 7:30. Filing facilities will be available in Pittsburgh.",18 " > I need help with my '85 ZX900A, I put Supertrapp slip-on's on it and > had the carbs re-jetted to match a set of K&N filters that replaced > the stock airbox. Now I have a huge flat spot in the carburation at > about 5 thousand RPM in most any gear. This is especially frustrating > on the highway, the bike likes to cruise at about 80mph which happens > to be 5,0000 RPM in sixth gear. I've had it ""tuned"" and this doesn't > seem to help. I am thinking about new carbs or the injection system > from a GPz 1100. Does anyone have any suggestions for a fix besides > restoring it to stock? > Starr@kuhub.ukans.cc.edu the brain dead."" -Ted Nugent It sound like to me that your carbs are not jetted properly. If you did it yourself, take it to a shop and get it done right. If a shop did it, get your money back, and go to another shop. -- ",8 "I've been offerred an old 4-bits/pixel greyscale Xterminal. Aside from the ""real people have already upgraded to RISC architecture R5 servers"", do I want this Xterminal? I'm concerned about the 4-planes...I've only ever heard of 1 (mono) and 8 (colour) planes -- will I have any concerns with this 4-plane unit? [Specifically related to 4-planes vs 1 or 8] Thanks! -C-",5 "To: ad994@Freenet.carleton.ca JW> 1) Where is there a book or code that will teach me how JW> to read and write pcx,dbf,and gif files? JW> 2) How do I access the extra ram on my paradise video board JW> so I can do paging in the higher vga modes ie: 320x200x256 JW> 800x600x256 JW> 3) anybody got a line on a good book to help answer these question? Here are some that I have that are very good: Graphics File Formats, Kay and Levine, ISBN 0-8306-3059-7 Supercharged Bitmapped Graphics, Rimmer, ISBN 0-8306-3788-5 Programmer's Guide to the EGA and VGA Cards, Ferraro, ISBN 0-201-57025-4 (has a whole chapter on Paradise SVGA) Dave",1 " much crap deleted DEAD WRONG! Last time I checked, Jim Fregosi was still managing the Phillies, and doing quite a fine job thank you...best record in baseball at 8-1 MY PREDICTION FOR 1993: Jim Fregosi will win manager of the year in the NL",9 Quoting pla@sktb.demon.co.uk in article <8AOHOnj024n@sktb.demon.co.uk>:,11 " All I know is that the Megadrives worked perfectly on both my Mac Plus and my Powerbook 140. It was for this reason I assumed the problem had something to do with the Quadra. Even with the Quadra, they mostly worked OK. The problem occurred when I ejected a cartridge from a drive: it would start popping up dialog boxes saying ""This cartridge must be formatted with Jasmine Driveware"" even though there was no cartridge in the drive.",4 " It does give privacy, just not absolute privacy. The announcement was very up front about this, and about allowing wiretaps. How is this ""fooling"" anyone? Sure. The two don't interoperate. You couldn't talk to, say, a Cylink phone from a Clipper phone. I would expect even multiprotocal phones to come with indicators saying which kind of link encryption is in use... So start a company and build them. This is still mostly a capitalist economy... I agree. Go for it. ",11 " Homosexual Christians have indeed ""checked out"" these verses. Some of them are used against us only through incredibly perverse interpretations. Others simply do not address the issues. You would seem to be more in need of a careful and Spirit-led course in exegesis than most of the gay Christians I know. I suggest that you stop ""proof-texting"" about things you know nothing about.",15 "Hello all! For few past days I've been fighting to get My NEC Multisync 3D (predecessor of 3FG) to work properly with the internal video of Mac IIvi. With a VGA-adapter (as described in Dale Adams' posting about Quadra video) it works, only some minor interferences occur, small enough not to prevent any action on screen to be visible & clear. But because the scanrates & stuff of 3D are well enough for emulating Apple 13"" RGB, I first made an adapter, then got one fron the local distributor of NEC. With both adapters I can get a picure, which looks excellent most of the time or every now and then. But with radical changes on screen (opening palettes, large windows etc.) there are major interferences in sync. The picture either tilts sideways or scrables up totally. Even when it is clear, there are some ""spiky"" interferences on horizontal line alignment when accessing pull-downs etc. With the self-made adapter, almost identical to the VGA one, only sense pins differ, it is sometimes impossible to even boot up with a picture clear enough to shut down from menu... With the adapter from NEC, everything is well most of the time, but sometimes the picture tilts badly sideways or the sync is completely lost. But not nearly as often as with the self-made one. I know, with self made adapters there can always be interference, but with the one provided by NEC... where's the source of this interference? I'll give you the pinouts of the whole mess, and I hope that you can, at least someone (please try =) figure out what could be the best pin assignment for NEC 3D. I am going to make a completely new cable with maximum shieldings and isolations, as soon as someone figures out how the pins should be arranged, especially syncs and groundings. Yes, I have checked that the monitor is not defective, it works perfectly well with all PC graphic adapters up to 1024x768 pixels and also Atari 71Hz monochrome, which I am using now with it. Here are the pinouts & stuff: 15 pin mini D-sub (NEC 3D) 15 pin D-sub (Mac, at least Quadra) 1 Red Video 1 Red GND 2 Green Video 2 Red Video 3 Blue Video 3 Composite Sync 4 GND 4 Sense 0 5 GND 5 Green Video 6 Red GND 6 Green GND 7 Green GND 7 Sense 1 8 Blue GND 8 NC 9 NC 9 Blue Video 10 GND 10 Sense 2 11 GND 11 C.Sync & V.Sync GND 12 NC 12 V.Sync 13 H.Sync 13 Blue GND 14 V.Sync 14 H.Sync GND 15 NC 15 H.Sync SHELL GND SHELL GND Connection suggested by Apple for VGA/SVGA, sense pins changed to emulate Apple 13"" with Multisync (my self-made adapter) Multisync (15pin mini D-sub) Mac (15pin D-sub) 1 ---------------------- 2 2 ---------------------- 5 3 ---------------------- 9 6 ---------------------- 1 7 ---------------------- 6 8 ---------------------- 13 10 ---------------------- 14 13 ---------------------- 15 14 ---------------------- 12 4 (sense0) grounded to 11 (sync GND) Connection measured from an adapter to make NEC 3FG/4FG emulate Apple 13"" (adapter provided by NEC representative) NEC (15 mini) Mac (15) 1 ----------------------- 2 2 ----------------------- 5 3 ----------------------- 9 4 ----------------------- SHELL GND, 1, 4, 6, 13 5 ----------------------- same as above 6 ----------------------- same... 7 ----------------------- same... 8 ----------------------- same... 10 ----------------------- same... 11 ----------------------- same... 13 ----------------------- 3 14 * Not Connected! * Well, I am waiting for your solutions... And thanks! ",4 "Actually, many of us have noted this. We have noted that the program started at least 4 years ago, that the contracts with VLSI Technology and Microtoxin were let at least 14 months ago, that production of the chips is well underway, and so forth. Nobody I know has claimed Clinton intitiated the program. But he chose to go ahead with it. Perhaps the NSA realised that *no-one* would even contemplate falling for the dual-escrow bluff while under the Bush administration and *had* to wait for a Democrat govt to con into promoting this because people *might* just believe they were honest. (Didn't work, did it? :-) )",11 "Seagate 1.2GB SCSI hard Drive Brand NEW with full factory warranty. 5-1/4"" FH, 15ms access time, 150,000 MTBF Only $1100+s/h.",6 " 500,000 to 1,000,000 self-defense incidents a YEAR doesn't count with you? Maybe they're just UNLUCKY. If a rapist pulls a woman into an alley in Boston, chances are almost certain that she won't be counted as one of those self-defenders because our local constabulary didn't consider it important that she be allowed to arm herself. Even though the shotgun she owns at home makes her show up in the ""gun owner"" column. Ironic words for somebody who lives in Florida. The ""average threat level"" in Florida has been REDUCED by a liberal CCW policy. It's well known that your local thugs like to target tourists precisely because they are less likely to be carrying than your natives. Come on up to Boston, or NYC, or Washington DC, and see how much diddlysquat the ""average threat level in the country"" means to a resident there. Sometimes this works. Sometimes it just lands your good neighbors on the dance card for the next wave of drive-bys. Someone here once told a story about LA gangs moving into Phoenix. I've misplaced the original text, but the story started with one resident calling the cops on a gang member. Sure enough, a few nights later, there was a drive-by performed at the resident's house. Except that this time, unlike in LA, the entire street came out and returned fire, putting an end to the car's occupants. The gang packed up and left. Of course, in LA, or in a place like Florida after the hurricane, your first problem is to FIND an officer to step up to and tell anything. Look, nobody is arguing this. I have a fire extinguisher at home. That doesn't mean I can be careless about tossing my burnt matches on the carpet. I live carefully, monitor the woodstove, get my flue cleaned twice a year, and test my smoke alarms annually. But if -- DESPITE all this -- a fire does start, it's too late for any of these things EXCEPT the extinguisher. You seem to be agreeing with your opponent. You can't trust your government to protect you from abusers and violators -- white-collar, blue-collar, epauletted, or tank-shirted. Ultimately, no one has the power to enforce your ""rights"" but you. Unless you've given up that power. Too many people fit that category, that is true. Some of us like to believe that they are uninterested in the facts behind the case for gun ownership because they've been conditioned to believe that there AREN'T any. You seem content to underestimate the electorate; I'm willing to try to raise their consciousness. I think we can. HCI was founded in what, 1980? In the mid-80's, they ran a ""One Million Strong!"" campaign for two years before reaching this goal. My understanding is that they ""reached"" it by the stratagem of including wide classes of people other than dues-paying members. (I can't speak authoritatively on this -- maybe somebody else has details.) Then they started running a ""Two Million Strong!"" campaign for a while -- but they let it slip into unannounced obscurity when it became clear that they simply were never going to reach that level of membership. In 1964, just after the commencement of the Dodd Hearings -- the starting point of the modern gun-control movement, the NRA had a mere 625,000 members. By 1968, barely after the first murmurs of future registration, it had about a million. Today, it has over three million members, making it the third largest membership organization in the country (next to AARP and AAA). And its membership is GROWING FASTER than at any previous time. (Historical figures from Kukla's ""Gun Control,"" pp. 61 and 420.) As you say, many of the people in the middle of this debate are bemused by their T-bones and MTV. That leaves hard-core gun-owners against hard-core gun banners. I know a number of ex-HCI members who have recently become NRA members. I've never heard of a single one who has gone the other way. Yes, I think we can and will win this one. I think they would be used far less to hammer nails, as well, but, like you, I can't give any citation showing that this utilization is CURRENTLY significant at more than an anecdotal level. If you can, I'm waiting. -- ",16 " Damn right. I was late for a climbing meet one morning, so I got out of bed without bothering that my right foot was still asleep. It reminded me by folding underneath with a crunching of Metatarsals. Lucky the brake's on the right, but i got funny looks riding thru London with one leg held aloft.",8 " Tennessee, at least, does not require any sort of safety class to get a driver's license. All that is required is one twenty question quiz and to drive a car around the block without crashing. In all probability, no you don't. You are required to be licensed to drive on public roads. A license is not necessary on private property. Most states do not require the registration of cars that are not used on public roads. Those that do (California I know of) do so for tax purposes more than anything else. Many states do not currently require this, and most, again, only make this requirement for public roads. A car sitting unused is not required to have insurance. The two are not the same, as I pointed out above. There are significant difference between making rules for *use on public property* and *making rules for ownership*. The other half of the objection is trust. Similar things to this have been tried in many local jurisdications across the country, and have been abused in far too many cases. Safety classes which are never sheduled, never funded, or only one or two is held a year for a limited number of participants. Registration lists in New York, Chicago, and California have been used for confiscation. *Many* gun owners would, in theory, support these planes. (Although the numbers overwhelmingly show that competence is not the problem, that intentional misuse is). They've simply seen it abused and are leery of the next person who comes down the pike with a ""reasonable"" suggestion they've already seen abused. ",16 ,12 "How does one print to a non-appletalk printer using DMM LaserWriter Stuff. I'm using the Serial driverand does nothig. I'vetried saving a postscriptfile and then tried sending with SendPS2.0 and it says can'topen LaserWriter Driver, then some appletalk messagethatprinter not specified. I'm using and imagewritwrite one cable. Should I use a null-modem adapter? Help... ---Lowell",4 "Several people have enquired about the availability of the book about the Great 72"" reflector built at Birr Castle, Ireland in 1845 which remained the largest in the world until the the start of the 20th century. ""The Astronomy of Birr Castle"" was written by Patrick Moore who now sits on the committee which is going to restore the telescope. (The remains are on public display all year round - the massive support walls, the 60 foot long tube, and other bits and pieces). This book is the definitivie history of how one man, the Third Earl of Rosse, pulled off the most impressive technical achievement, perhaps ever, in the history of the telescope, and the discoveries made with the instrument. Patrick Moore is donating all proceeds from the book's sale to help restore the telescope. Astronomy Ireland is making the book available world wide by mail order. It's a fascinating read and by ordering a copy you bring the day when we can all look through it once again that little bit nearer. =====ORDERING INFORMATION===== ""The Astronomy of Birr Castle"" Dr. Patrick Moore, xii, 90pp, 208mm x 145mm. Price: U.S.: US$4.95 + US$2.95 post & packing (add $3.50 airmail) U.K. (pounds sterling): 3.50 + 1.50 post & packing EUROPE (pounds sterling): 3.50 + 2.00 post and packing REST OF WORLD: as per U.S. but funds payable in US$ only. PAYMENT: Make all payments to ""Astronomy Ireland"". CREDIT CARD: MASTERCARD/VISA/EUROCARD/ACCESS accepted by email or snail mail: give card number, name & address, expiration date, and total amount. Payments otherwise must be by money order or bank draft. Send to our permanent address: P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland. You can also subscribe to ""Astronomy & Space"" at the same time. See below: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony Ryan, ""Astronomy & Space"", new International magazine, available from: Astronomy Ireland, P.O.Box 2888, Dublin 1, Ireland. 6 issues (one year sub.): UK 10.00 pounds, US$20 surface (add US$8 airmail). ACCESS/VISA/MASTERCARD accepted (give number, expiration date, name&address).",14 "Sorry guys for this long article, but in fact it is mostly quotings.. well, if you just waited for 5 more lines you would have read my statement ""Secondly, surely israeli have human rights, but ..."" because they belong to the human race, or do you disagree on that too ? I donot know about you, but it makes full sense to me. Israelis are being killed because Israel is occupying , Let israel withdraw and israeli blood will be saved. It isNOT the palestineans who undermined the right of life of israelis, but it is israel which occupied and exposed the life of its citizens to the the unconcluded war of 1967 ! More generally, the violence in the occupied terretories is part of the intifada, and i had previously posted a ""long"" article about this issue, whom i finished by an open question: Suppose the Intifada stops, What is the motive for Israel to withdraw ? donot tell hope for peace and this bullshit. Everybody in the world looks and hopes for peace, so why isnot there any. hope of peace is necessary but not sufficient motive. As for the Arabian countries, their problems are an Arabian concern. the Arabian people can deal with it themselves, if the west doesnot intervene. As for Serbs, I donot think that those FUCKED UP RAPISTS (excuse my language but it really hurts as much if I was in Bosnia itself) areNOT humans. Those surely came from outer space or something. No human can allow himself to see such attrocities than to participate in. Ok. My definition is the same as yours, but one has to look into the world politics. In politics, a ""solution"" doesNOT imply ""JUST solution"". It seems that it was problem in the definition of ""solution"". I think a solution must be just, because otherwise it would never be lasting. However, when politicians say a solution, they donot mean a just solution but just a solution. ",17 ":I'm not sure why you don't consider it an option. No one suggests that :such analysis should be left to ""regulators."" In fact, the ""re-inventing :government"" movement provides just such a cost/benefit approach to the :analysis of public spending. Libertarians would do well to learn more :about it. Okay, let me try to explain this. When one votes for such a creature as a Senator or, worse yet, a President, one votes not for specific policies but for a general package which must cover all issues for 4 or 6 years. As such, one's influence is highly diluted. I might add that, even if one were free to vote on individual regulations, the vast amount of time required for considering a particular regulation, combined with the very small chance of one's vote making a difference, would make it unreasonable to expect the voter to make an intelligent decision with respect to specific regulations. :Sorry, but it strikes me that it is the only ""feasible"" approach. What is :not feasible is a wholesale attack on all government regulation and :licensing that treats cutting hair and practicing medicine as equivalent :tasks. I'm not sure what you mean by ""feasible"" in this case. Do you mean that [] are impossible in priciple, or merely that it would be undesirable in fact? :Actually, the only areas of public spending above that strike me as :generating substantial support among libertarians are police and defense. 2 of the four you saw fit to mention, and education of minors is always another possibility, since minors are generally considered not to be responsible to make their own decisions as adults are. :(It is an interesting aside that as committed as libertarians claim to :be to a principle of non-coercion, the only areas of public spending :that they frequently support involve hiring people with guns....hmmm...) You say this as if it were surprising, yet in fact a necessary consequence of libertarian philosophy. All non-coersive functions should be dealt with privately, therefore it follows that the only functions remaining to the state are the coersive ones. :Perhaps you have. May I suggest that you consider that revolutionaries :frequently generate support by acting as protectors of ""geezers,"" :mothers and children. Governments that ignore such people on the grounds :that ""we don't have much to fear"" from them do so at their own peril. Much more likely it's drunken teenagers. The groups in questionare more likely to be worse off during and after a revolution than before. In the unlikely event that you missed my earlier sarcasm, let me say this directly: The idea that such programs as Social Security or AFDC should be considered ""defense"" (an idea which has been advanced in ths and other newsgroups) is so absurd a lie as to be unworthy of consideration. Do you seriously dispute this? I don't want to seem patronizing, but you still seem to be laboring under the delusion that under a socialized economic system it is reasonably intelligent and honest persons (like yourself) who make the decisions. I feel any third party added to a transaction is every bit as likely to be ignorant or corrupt as the buyer or seller. I don't expect you to agree with me, but you explain why you feel I'm wrong? ",18 "( Below is my response to Dr. Denning's letter to Steven Bellovin. Comments are invited. - Paul ) In alt.privacy.clipper, Steve Bellovin posted your message to him, which included a brief passage concerning selection of agencies as escrow agencies. I am glad to see that the proposal as written states that the escrow agencies won't be law enforcement agencies. I would argue, however, that *one* of the escrow agencies shouldn't be federal at all. As a private citizen, I would feel much more ""secure in my person and papers"" knowing that an organization committed to individual civil liberties- the ACLU and the NRA come to mind- was safeguarding half of my key. Both the ACLU and the NRA are resistent to government pressure by the simple expedient fact that they are not supported, funded, or overtly controlled by the government. Of those federal and federally funded candidate agencies that you mentioned, I have the following comments: - SRI, Rand, Mitre, and national labs: I agree that they have great experience safeguarding sensitive information. I am not convinced that they would adequately safeguard _this_ information, since in any case requiring disclosure, there's likely to be sigificant pressure for disclosure- possibly *wrongful* disclosure. - GAO: perhaps. I would like to see more concrete evidence of their fidelity and ability. - *TREASURY*? Surely you're joking. Perhaps you'd ask BATF to safeguard keys. Maybe the Federal Reserve would be a better choice. Ever since last fall's ""trial balloon"" was posted in sci.crypt, your name has been synonymous with those who place a great deal of trust in the ability of government agencies and agents to act within the law. I agree with you in part: those agencies and agents *almost always* act properly. However, there have been enough cases where _sworn agents of the Federal Government_ have acted wrongly to make me feel that having two federal agencies as key repositories is unacceptable. Respectfully, -Paul Robichaux (not speaking for NTI, BCSS, or NASA) ",11 "From article , by rogerk@queernet.org (Roger B.A. Klorese): #>NAMBLA's presence in the SF Gay Pride Parade says quite a bit. #>It says that either the parade organizers want to show support #>for NAMBLA, or they themselves have a fundamental misunderstanding #>of their rights and responsibilities. I would really, really like #>to believe the latter, but I would need some help to do so. Perhaps, though the exclusion of the Gay Perotistas in the SF Gay Pride Parade would make me think that they had some clue in this regard. Dozens of examples? I don't know...",18 " Of course, the list has to agree with the nickname laws laid down by the GIPU almost 2000 years ago (you know... the 9 of them that were written on the iron tablets that melted once and had to be reinscribed?). Since I am a prophet of the GIPU I decree that you should post the whole list of nicknames for the frequent posters here!",0 "So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire on their house, killing most of the people inside. I'm not that annoyed about the adults, they knew supposedly what they were doing, and it's their own actions. What I mostly are angry about is the fact that the people inside, including mothers, let the children suffer and die during awful conditions. If this is considered religious following to the end, I'm proud that I don't follow such fanatical and non-compassionate religions. You might want to die for whatever purpose, but please spare the innocent young ones that has nothing to do with this all. I have a hard time just now understanding that Christianity knows about the word compassion. Christians, do you think the actions today would produce a good picture of your religion? Kent ",19 "The following is quoted from the tail end of a (rather condescending) article about Paxton Quigley, that appeared in US Snooze and World Lies, (sorry... i think it was in the wall street journal...) and was repeated in the Colorado (people's) Daily, a student newspaper at the University of Colorado at Boulder. ""A study of residential gunsot deaths in King County, Wash., found that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to be used to kill its owner, spouse, a friend, or child than to kill an intruder. Studies by the Western Psychiatric Institute, in Pittsburgh, found that the mere presence of a gun in the home sharply incresases the likelihood a family member will commit suicide, even in the absence of psychiatric illness."" I have seen these numbers quoted before, and I have seen very specific refutation of them quoted as well. If someone will be so kind as to email the relevant information, I will write a letter to the editor of the Co. Daily (which might get published) and send a copy to USN&WR as well. Thanx... --Dan -- DoD #202 / loki@acca.nmsu.edu / liberty or death / taylordf@ucsu.colorado.edu Send me something even YOU can't read... -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.1",16 " I think this is mostly the fault of the people who write up the literature and price lists being confused themselves. Since there are two possible processor configurations and one of the them doesn't have an FPU it does seem to be an option, even though it really isn't. Well, then allow me to end your confusion. The C650 ONLY come with an LC040 in the base 4/80 configuration. If you are not getting this configuration then you are getting an FPU. Good question. I have been wondering that since Feb. 10th. This is possible, but an option is something that you are supposed to be able to request when you want it. What Apple has done is given the buyer a CHOICE between configurations and not an OPTION. This is not unclear at all. In fact Apple has included in the ROMs of those machines with LC040s code to recognize the presence of the full 040's FPU and use it. Thereby making the upgrade as easy as switching chips. You pop the LC040 out and pop in a full '040. They did? I think I would double-check this. It has been stated countless times in this newsgroup by two of the Centris hardware designers that the LC040 and the full '040 are pin compatible and that the C610 can be upgraded to a full '040.",4 " ",3 " Yup. I agree with ya. I think Devils can beat Red Wings easily. SO I think all those who send in their votes should try all these diffrent teams before voting. I think Islanders and Quebec are much better then I had expected. COBRA ",10 "try finding a friend that has caller id, then give him a call... jb Path: shearson.com!uupsi!psinntp!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!nic.umass.edu!risky.ecs.umass.edu!umaecs!alee From: alee@ecs.umass.edu Newsgroups: sci.electronics Date: 18 Apr 93 15:04:10 GMT Lines: 13 Greetings! Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't know the number of the line. And I don't want to call up the operator to place a trace on it. Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can use to find out the number to the line? Thanks for any response. Al --",12 "I saw his bike parked in front of a bar a few weeks later without the dog, and I wandered in to find out what had happened. He said, ""Somebody stole m' damn dog!"". They left the Harley behind. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------",8 " What about the ELSA WINNER4000 (S3 928, Bt485, 4MB, EISA), or the Metheus Premier-4VL (S3 928, Bt485, 4MB, ISA/VL) ? As it just happens, SGCS has a Xserver (X386 1.4) that does 1024x768x24 on those cards. Please email to info@sgcs.com for more details. - Thomas --",1 " If babies are not supposed to be baptised then why doesn't the Bible ever say so. It never comes right and says ""Only people that know right from wrong or who are taught can be baptised."" What Christ did say was : ""I solemly assure you, NO ONE can enter God's kingdom without being born of water and Spirit ... Do not be surprised that I tell you you must ALL be begotten from above."" Could this be because everyone is born with original sin? ",15 "G'day all, Can anybody point me at a utility which will read/convert/crop/whatnot/ display HDF image files ? I've had a look at the HDF stuff under NCSA and it must take an award for odd directory structure, strange storage approaches and minimalist documentation :-) Part of the problem is that I want to look at large (5MB+) HDF files and crop out a section. Ideally I would like a hdftoppm type of utility, from which I can then use the PBMplus stuff quite merrily. I can convert the cropped part into another format for viewing/animation. Otherwise, can someone please explain how to set up the NCSA Visualisation S/W for HDF (3.2.r5 or 3.3beta) and do the above cropping/etc. This is for Suns with SunOS 4.1.2. Any help GREATLY appreciated. Ta muchly ! Cheers, Markus -- Markus Buchhorn, Parallel Computing Research Facility email = markus@octavia.anu.edu.au Australian National University, Canberra, 0200 , Australia. [International = +61 6, Australia = 06] [Phone = 2492930, Fax = 2490747]",1 " [chop] Could you please post it to the net too please, as I, and I'm sure many others would like to know. Thanks! Kev. ",4 "Well, that would depend on how much we wanted the US and how much we wanted the $1, wouldn't it? -Ekr ",19 "Sure I'll give you 10 bucks for all of them ",12 " There's only one physical size for VRAM SIMMs (unlike DRAM SIMMs which come in many, many sizes and pinouts), although they do come with differing amounts of VRAM on them. The ones you need are 256KB SIMMs, are organized as 128K x 16, and have two 128K x 8 VRAM chips on them. This is the only size which the Quadra and Centris machines can use. Two. Both SIMM slots must be filled; putting a SIMM in only one slot does nothing for you. 80 ns for the Q800 and C650, 100 ns for the C610. There are certain VRAM chip manufacturers whose parts are not compatible with the Quadra and Centris video hardware. Make sure that the source you get them from guarantees compatiblity. In general, if it works in a Q950, it will work in a Q800. Trust me. ;-)",4 " This is a lovely area for anecdotes, but I am sure you are on to something. As a physician, I almost never get sick: usually, when something horrendous is going around, I either don't get it at all or get a very mild case. When I do get really sick, it is always something unusual. This was not the situation when I was in medical school, particularly on pediatrics. I never had younger siblings myself, and when I went on the pediatric wards I suddenly found myself confronting all sorts of infectious challenges that my body was not ready for. Pediatrics for me was three solid months of illness, and I had a temp of 104 when I took the final exam! I think what happens is that during training, and beyond, we are constantly exposed to new things, and we have the usual reactions to them, so that later on, when challenged with something, it is more likely a re-exposure for us, so we deal with it well and get a mild illness. I don't think it is that the immune system is hyped up in any way. Also, don't forget that the hospital flora is very different from the home, and we carry a lot of that around.",13 " Why don't you call the City and ask? Oak Park also has an illegal handgun ban as well, but does allow those with a ""collectors FFL"" to possess (""collectible?"") handguns. Probably a fine in practical terms. It wouldn't impede your defense at all. There was an actual incident in Oak Park where a gas station owner engaged in a shootout with a handgun; the grand jury decided not to presecute. On the other hand, a black man used an illegally owned handgun in Oak Park to defend himself, and the Village tried to make an example out of him. An NRA Director who lived there made a stink about this, and it was decided not to charge the guy. Of course, pissing off anti-gun police thugs has it's own drawbacks, like when the Oak Park Police Chief came to his house, and told him: ""this is stepping over the line; this could get dangerous for you."" Whereupon the few black Oak Park police officers watched over his house to ensure that the white anti-gun police chief and his anti-gun cronies wouldn't f*ck with him, his home or family. L.V. Cipriani states that the ""Any other weapon"" category is allowed, but the exact relationship between an Ithaca Auto-burgular, which I believe is in the ""Any other weapon"" category and a chopped barrel H&K HK-94 (Class 3 for sure) is not clear to me... In your dreams, buddy. As long as Democrats reign in Chicago, Illinois residents will always be disarmed and helpless in the streets. Politicians get around this by provisions in the law that allow them to carry concealed weapons. Voters in Chicago are too stupid to vote these a**holes out of office; because the Dems are always in power, the Illinois Supreme Court is always tilted to the Democratic Party's views on guns. [All candidates supported by political consultant David Axelrod are anti-gun, which explains anti-RKBA Crook County States Attorney Jack(ass) O'Malley being a so-called ""Republican.""]",16 "I am sorry to once again bother those of you on this newsgroup. If you have any suggestions as to where I might find out about the subject of this letter (the origin of Morphine, ie. who first isolsted it, and why he/she attempted such an experiment). Once agian any suggestion would be appreciated. CSH p.s. My instructer insists that I get 4 rescources from this newsgroup, so please send me and info you think may be helpful. Facts that you know, but don't know what book they're from are ok. ATTENTION: If you do NOT like seeing letters such as this one on your newsgroup direct all complaints to my instructor at -- ""Kilimanjaro is a pretty tricky climb. Most of it's up, until you reach the very, very top, and then it tends to slope away rather sharply."" Sir George Head, OBE (JC)",13 ": Indeed, if NSA really designed the algorithm to be secure, it's very likely : as secure as IDEA or 2-key DES. However, the system as a whole isn't resistant : to ""practical cryptanalysis."" In _The Puzzle Palace_, Bamford describes how : several NSA employees were turned by foreign (presumably KGB) agents, despite : security measures that I doubt any Big 8 accounting firm could match. And : NSA confidential data was *not* subject to being requested by thousands of : police organizations and courts across the land. Ah yes, don't anyone mention Ronald William Pelton[*], heh heh heh. How embarrassing.",11 "jayson stark (i trhink that's him) fits perfectly in this category. anyone who writes ""dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he'll have 324 home runs!"" should be shot. if, at the end of april, he has 11, and anyone writes ""at this pace, he'll have 100+ homers!"" they shouldbe shot too.",9 " I thought NEC and Toshiba CD-ROM mechanism have an average access time of less than 200 ms. While the SONY-APPLE CD-ROM drive has an access time of 300 ms for the doublespin models.",4 " F A Q ! Reference: Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.system, comp.sys.mac.wanted,comp.sys.mac.hardware,comp.answers,news.answers Subject: Introductory Macintosh frequently asked questions (FAQ)",4 " Great. This site is a complete shadow of the Signetics BBS 8051 directory. Thanks Brian, -- Mont Pierce",12 " Uh oh. This looks a bit too much like Bobby's ""Atheism Is False"" stuff. Are we really going to have to go through this again? Maybe the universe is cyclical! :) :( ",0 " As a general rule, no relay will cleanly switch audio if you try to tranfer the circuit with the contacts. The noise you hear is due to the momentary opening and closing of the path. The noiseless way of transfering audio is to ground the circuit. In high impedance audio circuits a resistive ""T"" is constructed close to characteristic impedance of the circuit. Grounding the imputs (connected to the T) transfers the audio. In low impedance circuits transformers are usually used, and the inputs are shorted out or grounded. Secondaries are paralleled at the characteristic impedance. Sometimes if it is necessary to actually switch audio, a second contact is used to momentarily short the circuit output for the duration of the switching time. Telephone relays are handy, because contacts can be adjusted to ""Make before break and Vica Versa"" but I haven't seen any of these for years. Nowadys switching is done electronically with OP amps, etc. A novel circuit I used to build was a primitive ""optical isolator"".. It consists of a resistive photocell and a lamp, all packaged in a tube. When the lamp is off the cell is high resistance. Turn the lamp on and the resistance lowers passing the audio. Once again this device in a ""T"" switches the audio. Varying the lamp resistance give a remote volume control. Use 2 variable resisters and you have a mixer! Lots of luck! -- 73, Tom ================================================================================ Tom Wagner, Audio Visual Technician. Malaspina College Nanaimo British Columbia (604)753-3245, Loc 2230 Fax:755-8742 Callsign:VE7GDA Weapon:.45 Kentucky Rifle Snail mail to: Site Q4, C2. RR#4, Nanaimo, British Columbia, Canada, V9R 5X9 ",12 " I don't know where you live, but I couldn't get out of my driveway at night without reverse lights. As someone said, out in the country you notice neat little things like stars and the difference between day and night. At night around my house (which is amongst a forest of rather tall oaks) it is DARK, except for nights with full moons. Reverse lights illuminate my path very well when backing up; I greatly prefer cars with them to cars without operational reverse lights. James",7 "Here is the OPI (Offensive Production Index) for all AL players with at least 10 at bats. It is early in the season so there are some very high numbers. Last years leader was Frank Thomas at 0.682. Teams are denoted by an * as the first character of the name and each player has his team preceeding his name. The equations used are found at the end of the post. Comments and suggestions are welcome. Kevin League OPI: 0.448 League BA: 0.268 League SLG: 0.405 League OBA: 0.341 Rank Player OPI BA SLG OBA ----------------------------------------------------- 1 Tor,carter 2.142 0.583 1.417 0.615 2 Cle,baerga 1.432 0.520 1.040 0.538 3 Det,phillips 1.334 0.565 0.609 0.655 4 Oak,mcgwire 1.147 0.364 0.636 0.632 5 Tor,white 1.065 0.500 0.650 0.545 6 Bal,anderson 0.951 0.423 0.692 0.500 7 NYY,owen 0.934 0.500 0.577 0.567 8 Oak,rhenderson 0.911 0.391 0.565 0.533 9 Mil,thon 0.804 0.476 0.619 0.476 10 Oak,browne 0.800 0.476 0.476 0.522 11 Tex,palmer 0.781 0.333 0.875 0.333 11 Det,gibson 0.781 0.312 0.562 0.500 13 Cle,howard 0.755 0.455 0.727 0.455 14 NYY,tartabull 0.742 0.296 0.667 0.424 15 Tex,rodriguez 0.736 0.429 0.500 0.529 15 Tex,gonzalez 0.736 0.261 0.913 0.292 17 Bos,zupcic 0.728 0.400 0.500 0.455 18 Sea,felder 0.723 0.357 0.429 0.471 19 Oak,blankenship 0.722 0.333 0.333 0.524 20 Min,puckett 0.717 0.280 0.720 0.379 21 NYY,oneill 0.710 0.435 0.609 0.458 22 Cle,belle 0.703 0.348 0.696 0.375 23 Sea,buhner 0.699 0.294 0.471 0.478 24 Mil,hamilton 0.682 0.458 0.458 0.500 25 Det,whitaker 0.680 0.312 0.500 0.421 26 Det,fielder 0.666 0.273 0.591 0.407 27 Tor,sprague 0.649 0.300 0.750 0.300 28 Whi,cora 0.646 0.350 0.500 0.458 29 Whi,raines 0.641 0.250 0.750 0.308 30 NYY,kelly 0.625 0.348 0.565 0.375 31 Bos,quintana 0.617 0.455 0.455 0.455 32 Sea,tmartinez 0.612 0.211 0.632 0.348 32 Cal,gonzales 0.612 0.250 0.250 0.478 34 Whi,burks 0.609 0.348 0.565 0.375 35 Cal,snow 0.602 0.368 0.526 0.400 36 Whi,karkovice 0.598 0.167 0.417 0.412 37 *Cleveland 0.595 0.340 0.549 0.377 38 Cle,sorrento 0.594 0.273 0.727 0.273 39 Sea,amaral 0.587 0.368 0.579 0.429 39 Bos,cooper 0.587 0.375 0.458 0.423 41 Min,winfield 0.578 0.292 0.667 0.292 42 Cal,curtis 0.571 0.333 0.381 0.417 43 Bos,mvaughn 0.566 0.316 0.526 0.350 44 Oak,steinbach 0.556 0.333 0.542 0.385 45 *Oakland 0.555 0.298 0.439 0.406 46 NYY,maas 0.547 0.333 0.389 0.429 47 Kan,joyner 0.546 0.300 0.400 0.417 48 Min,knoblauch 0.535 0.304 0.348 0.448 49 Bos,greenwell 0.534 0.261 0.478 0.370 50 Oak,brosius 0.532 0.273 0.545 0.333 51 Tor,olerud 0.530 0.333 0.400 0.412 52 Bal,mercedes 0.529 0.286 0.429 0.412 53 *NYYankees 0.527 0.321 0.468 0.377 54 Bal,hoiles 0.525 0.263 0.526 0.333 55 Mil,kmak 0.523 0.286 0.286 0.412 56 Oak,dhenderson 0.517 0.231 0.462 0.412 57 Cle,lofton 0.515 0.346 0.385 0.370 58 Min,larkin 0.514 0.357 0.500 0.400 59 Bos,dawson 0.504 0.333 0.458 0.360 60 Cle,camartinez 0.503 0.333 0.389 0.400 61 Det,gladden 0.498 0.312 0.500 0.312 62 Cal,polonia 0.494 0.292 0.500 0.320 63 *California 0.487 0.295 0.404 0.364 64 *Detroit 0.484 0.260 0.410 0.357 65 Det,tettleton 0.475 0.211 0.421 0.348 66 Cal,disarcina 0.473 0.304 0.478 0.304 67 Cal,easley 0.472 0.304 0.435 0.333 68 Bal,baines 0.470 0.300 0.400 0.364 69 Tex,franco 0.469 0.300 0.350 0.391 70 Whi,ljohnson 0.464 0.280 0.400 0.333 71 Sea,vizquel 0.463 0.222 0.222 0.417 72 NYY,bwilliams 0.461 0.294 0.471 0.314 73 Mil,gvaughn 0.460 0.222 0.389 0.391 74 Min,hrbek 0.458 0.240 0.360 0.367 75 Bal,cripken 0.451 0.333 0.407 0.379 75 *Seattle 0.451 0.237 0.367 0.361 77 Cal,salmon 0.448 0.267 0.267 0.450 78 Kan,mcreynolds 0.447 0.182 0.500 0.280 79 *Toronto 0.443 0.261 0.430 0.318 79 *Texas 0.443 0.237 0.489 0.289 81 Min,pagliarulo 0.439 0.286 0.429 0.333 82 *WhiteSox 0.432 0.243 0.378 0.336 83 Kan,hiatt 0.431 0.278 0.500 0.316 84 Whi,guillen 0.426 0.263 0.263 0.364 85 Whi,thomas 0.419 0.259 0.333 0.355 86 Kan,mcrae 0.414 0.296 0.333 0.345 87 *Boston 0.411 0.270 0.365 0.336 88 Cle,hill 0.410 0.300 0.500 0.300 89 NYY,mattingly 0.400 0.324 0.353 0.343 90 *Baltimore 0.394 0.251 0.361 0.315 91 Bal,gomez 0.382 0.316 0.316 0.350 91 *Minnesota 0.382 0.237 0.379 0.298 93 Whi,fisk 0.381 0.273 0.545 0.273 94 Cle,jefferson 0.379 0.263 0.316 0.333 95 Oak,neel 0.370 0.188 0.500 0.188 96 Cal,cdavis 0.369 0.211 0.421 0.250 97 Bos,fletcher 0.364 0.217 0.391 0.280 98 *Milwaukee 0.361 0.257 0.293 0.333 99 Det,livingstone 0.360 0.250 0.438 0.294 100 Tor,ralomar 0.354 0.263 0.316 0.333 101 *KansasCity 0.343 0.236 0.327 0.291 102 Oak,bordick 0.339 0.200 0.250 0.304 103 Tex,canseco 0.337 0.190 0.381 0.261 104 Sea,valle 0.336 0.250 0.312 0.294 105 Bal,devereaux 0.329 0.207 0.379 0.233 106 Kan,lind 0.323 0.188 0.438 0.188 107 Mil,surhoff 0.312 0.227 0.273 0.292 107 Kan,brett 0.312 0.259 0.296 0.286 109 Whi,bell 0.310 0.207 0.310 0.258 110 Cle,salomar 0.306 0.200 0.200 0.304 111 Mil,jaha 0.304 0.267 0.267 0.353 111 Det,fryman 0.304 0.185 0.296 0.214 113 NYY,boggs 0.296 0.200 0.233 0.294 114 Tex,bripken 0.290 0.250 0.333 0.308 115 Min,mack 0.289 0.233 0.333 0.258 116 Min,harper 0.288 0.280 0.280 0.280 117 Cle,fermin 0.284 0.200 0.200 0.304 118 Bos,rivera 0.276 0.118 0.176 0.286 119 Mil,spiers 0.275 0.231 0.231 0.286 120 Mil,yount 0.268 0.208 0.208 0.269 121 Tor,schofield 0.265 0.133 0.267 0.235 121 Tex,hulse 0.265 0.154 0.308 0.214 123 Sea,griffey 0.261 0.105 0.263 0.261 124 Sea,obrien 0.259 0.100 0.100 0.308 124 Kan,macfarlane 0.259 0.273 0.273 0.333 126 Oak,sierra 0.256 0.200 0.240 0.231 127 Kan,jose 0.254 0.167 0.167 0.286 128 Bos,hatcher 0.252 0.188 0.188 0.278 129 Sea,blowers 0.251 0.200 0.200 0.273 130 Whi,ventura 0.247 0.167 0.167 0.310 130 Tex,palmeiro 0.247 0.130 0.261 0.167 132 Bal,reynolds 0.227 0.118 0.118 0.250 133 Kan,mayne 0.222 0.231 0.231 0.231 133 Cal,myers 0.222 0.231 0.231 0.231 135 NYY,nokes 0.219 0.150 0.300 0.150 136 Bos,calderon 0.209 0.167 0.167 0.286 137 Bos,pena 0.207 0.267 0.267 0.267 138 Tor,molitor 0.194 0.150 0.200 0.190 139 Det,deer 0.182 0.125 0.167 0.192 140 Det,cuyler 0.179 0.077 0.154 0.143 141 Tor,borders 0.159 0.111 0.167 0.158 142 Whi,grebeck 0.141 0.100 0.100 0.182 143 Bal,gdavis 0.137 0.111 0.148 0.143 144 Tex,dascenzo 0.128 0.091 0.182 0.091 145 Min,leius 0.115 0.083 0.083 0.154 145 Mil,reimer 0.115 0.083 0.083 0.154 147 Tor,djackson 0.114 0.133 0.133 0.133 148 Tex,gill 0.070 0.059 0.059 0.158 149 Kan,gagne 0.042 0.095 0.095 0.095 0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS) OPI = ---------------------------------------------------------------- AB - H BA = H / AB SLG = (H + 2B + 2*3B + 3*HR) / AB OBA = (H + BB) / (AB + BB)",9 "I read this morning that Sid Fernandez left last nights' game with stiffness in his shoulder. Does anyone have any information as to the extent of the injury (if indeed there is one), or weather the cold air in Colorado just got his joints a little stiff? Thanks for the help...",9 " On the cars mentioned - 3 series from the late 80's the ""electronic"" odometer is really a mechanical drum type odometer, that is driven by pulses from a speed sensor on the rear axle. These pulses are converted into mechanical pulses that turn the odometer - and speedometer. No way changing or erasing an eprom is going to change the mileage reading. It also means the odometer is just as easy (or hard) to change as any other mechanical odometer. On the other hand it is a bit easier to disconnect the speed sensor and run the car with no speedometer or odometer reading...a simple switch will do the job. It also will disable the speed limiter, which will enable the car to reach it's full speed. ;-) ",7 "Can anyone recomend a good book or article on inter-client communications BESIDES I.C.C.M.? I've looked everywhere I can and it seems everyone tells you how to do it but nobody SHOWS you how. O'Reilly has no examples, ICCM has no examples, Asente & Swick give no examples - in fact most of the books I've looked at, if they discuss ICC at all, simply give a condensed version of the ICCM and then refer you to the ICCM. I did find one example of how to use Atoms and Properties in Young's book and five hours after I bought Young's book I had my applications talking to each other. I am not sure, however, if thats the best way. I'd like to stay independent of Unix so pipes and/or sockets probably aren't the way to go. But within X one can also use messages, the clipboard, and perhaps window groups. I need a text that discusses the various methods, discusses which method is best for which purpose, and gives examples. Without examples it's all just words. Thanks in advance",5 "In <1qjahh$mrs@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) How do we measure truth, beauty, goodness, love, friendship, trust, honesty, etc.? If things have no basis in objective fact then aren't we limited in what we know to be true? Can't we say that we can examples or instances of reason, but cannot measure reason, or is that semantics? MAC -- **************************************************************** Michael A. Cobb ""...and I won't raise taxes on the middle University of Illinois class to pay for my programs."" Champaign-Urbana -Bill Clinton 3rd Debate cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu",0 " Mr. Meritt, please state explicitly the inductive argument which leads you to conclude Mr. Tice thinks it ""OK"" to take biblical quotes out of context in some other t.r.m. articles. Also, please explain why you rely on inductive reasoning (with its implicit uncertainty) in determining Mr. Tice's opinions when the man is himself clearly available for questioning. Finally, please indicate whether you agree (yes or no) with the following statement:",19 "The following is posted for a friend. You can send replies to this email address or call him at 503-752-1499. (Glen) I have a CITIZEN OVERTURE 110 Laser printer for sale. It is in excellent condition. It has been used less than one year on this drum. I am asking $500, but all offers will be considered. Below are some specs on it. Toner lifespan: 2500 pages Drum lifespan: 15,000 pages Resolution: 300 DPI Memory: 512K Emulation: Epson FX286 IBM ProPrinter Diablo 635 Printing Capacity: Quad-density graphics Tray capacity: 250 sheets Reason for sale: Financial--I need to pay tuition. Thanks, -Glen Anderson",6 "What do I need to do to configure this drive as a slave? Model# CP30101G Please reply via e-mail. Thanks!!",3 "Anybody use CD Speedway out there? Is it as good as they say? I hate waiting around for my CD to finish loading the next level in WC and the such. How much memory does it eat up? ",3 "Hey all: I just moved to NYC and wondered if there are any electronics hackers out there who could point me to places in NYC that sell individual electronic components (switches, pots, transformers, caps, transistors, etc.) ""Radio Shack"" doesn't count (they have almost no selection, and their prices are outrageous!) I have particular interest in audio components (amplifier IC's, power MOSFETS, output transformers, tubes and tube sockets, pan pots, faders, etc.) I have checked out a lot of 48th street and Canal street so far with no luck. Am I missing places, looking in the wrong place, or do I have to resort to mail order?",12 "massacre. Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760",17 " If I understand your problem correctly, you want to have a way to send exposures to your manager widget when your app-specific code draws xlib graphics on the window. It sounds like you might want to send an exposure using XSendEvent and specifying a region. If you know the region you need to send the exposure, generally you have the bounding rectangle of the objects, you can use XCreateRegion to create a region, XUnionRectWithRegion to add the new object polygons to the region, and then either use the region to clip your GC for the redraw or use XRectInRegion to test which of your other objects need to be redrawn. Keeping in mind that the stacking order of overlapping objects affects how they look. Hope it helps -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan",5 "Howdy! I'm just posting this for a friend so don't reply to me! I have a friend who has some 1x9 SIMMS for sale, 8MB for $250 or 4MB for 125$. He also has a Conner 170MB hard drive for $250. It runs at 14ms. His name is John and he can be reached at his BBS called Classified Connection at (614)575-1345, he is the Sysop, and you can call him and hear his awesome voice at (614)577-9673. Adios ",6 " That shows how much you know about anything. The brakes on the SHO are very different - 9 inch (or 9.5? I forget) discs all around, vented in front. The normal Taurus setup is (smaller) discs front, drums rear. Your argument still boils down to ""An SHO shouldn't be driven fast because I, Jim Frost, say it isn't designed to go fast."" Pffffftttttt. Damn straight. You're one of those people who makes stuff up and tries to pawn it off as God's own truth. If I want lies I can go listen to television.",7 " What's the difference between the F550i and the new F550iW? I'm about to buy a Gateway system and was going to take the F550i upgrade. Should I get the F550iW instead? ",3 "I've got an rgb Mistubishi monitor and on the back it has 5 BNC connectors labeled like this: composite HD VD + + + + + sync red green blue I've used it as a straight RGB monsitor but i can't figure out how to use it for composite. Could someone explain what these markings mean? Thanks for any help. tom",12 "I'm starting an informal poll on goalie masks. I'd like to know who's mask you think looks the best. I've always like Curtis Joseph's of the Blues the best. Anyway, send your nominations to me, or post your vote here on r.s.h. My e-mail adress is: gtd597a@prism.gatech.edu Thanks for your time. ",10 "I'm looking for a database called ""Micro World Data Bank II"", a database with digital map information containing 178,068 latitude, longitude points. It is said to be in the public domain. If anyone knows a place where I can get it (preferably FTP/gopher/mailserver etc.; otherwise snail mail) please let me know. I you have it yourself and are willing to send me the file, drop me a line. I'll be using it with a program called VERSAMAP by Charles H. Culberson. If anyone knows of another detailed database that can be used with this program (preferably PD), I would be very interested. Replies by e-mail please, directly to me, I don't read this group regularly. If there's interest I'll post a summary, of course.",1 " Yea, it turned out that Gramm-Rudman was a sham to fool the voters into accepting the borrow-and-spend policies of the last 12 years. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Anyone can expand the economy by chargeing $3 trillion on their credit cards. Big deal. Deficit spending only expands the economy in the short term. In the long term it shrinks the economy for numerous reasons. I would have MUCH preferred that the taxpayers had that $3 trillion instead. If Reagan had kept his campaign PROMISE to balance the budget by 1983, there would have been no need for Bush or Clinton to raise taxes. And all Reagan had to do was balance that puny Carter deficit. Chew on that awhile. ",18 " 'SDPA.ORG' criminals/Nazis in action. Your fascist government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men, women and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. And your criminal organization will not get away with the genocide's cover-up. In June 1915, a major uprising took place in Sebinkarahisar under the leadership of the famous Nazi Boyadjian. The Moslem districts were burnt down. Hundreds of soldiers and gendarmerie were killed and hundreds of civilians also perished. Armenians first of all occupied the Talori region, which included the villages of Siner, Simai, Gulli-Guzat, Ahi, Hedenk, Sinank, Ekind, Effard, Musson, Etek, Akcesser. Leaving their wives, children and property in these inaccessible spots, the Armenians joined forces with other armed bands coming from the Silvan districts in the plain of Mus, after which the whole body of 3000 men gathered in the Andok Mt. Five or six hundred wished to surround Mus, and started off by attacking the Delican tribe to the south of the city. They slaughtered a number of the tribe and seized their goods. The religious beliefs of the Muslims who fell into their hands were derided and disparaged, and the Muslims themselves murdered in the most frightful manner. The rebels also attacked the regular troops in the vicinity of Mus, but the large numbers of the regular forces prevented them from occupying the city. The rebels joined the bandits in the Andok Mts., carrying out the most frightful massacres and looting among the tribes of the neighbourhood. They burned Omer Agha's nephew alive. They raped a number of Turkish women at a spot three or four hours' distance from Gulli-Guzat and then strangled them. At the beginning of August the rebels attacked the Faninar, Bekiran and Badikan tribes, perpetrating equally horrible atrocities. The rebels in the villages of Yermut and Ealigernuk in the nahiye of Cinan in the kaza of Cal attacked the Kurds in the neighbourhood, as well as the villages of Kaisser and Catcat. Towards the end of August, the Armenians attacked the Kurds in the vicinity of Mus and burned down three or four villages, including Gulli-Guzat. As for the 3000 rebels in Talori, they continued to spread death and destruction among the Muslims and other Christian communities, refusing to lay down their arms. Source: Uras, Esat: The Armenians in History. Documentary Publications (Istanbul), 1988. p. 954. ""In his speech given at the Sivas Congress, Mustafa Kemal once again drew a picture of the country under occupation: In the East, the Armenians are making preparations for advancing to the River Halys (Kizilirmak), and have already started a policy of massacring the Moslem population."" pp. 966-967. ""The situation of the southern provinces of Turkey after the signing of the Mudros Armistice is described by Ataturk in his speech: The Armenians in the south, armed by foreign troops and encouraged by the protection they enjoyed, molested the Mohammedans of their district. They pursued a relentless policy of murder and extinction everywhere. This was responsible for the tragic incident at Maras....the Armenians had completely destroyed an old Mohammedan town like Maras by their artillery and machine-gun fire. They killed thousands of innocent and defenceless women and children. The Armenians were the instigators of the atrocities, which were unique in history. Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). ""Document No: 15,"" Archive No: 1/2, Cabin No: 113, Drawer No: 3, File No: 520, Section No: 2024, Contents No: 11-1; 11-3. (19 Feb 330 '4 March 1915', District Governor Kemal) ""List of male inhabitants of Mergehu Village murdered or annihilated with the utmost savagery by Armenians: Names Method of Annihilation ----- ---------------------- Haci Ibrahim, son of Abdi Bullets and bayonet Abdi, son of Haci Ibrahim Bullets and bayonet Reso, son of Abdi Beaten and cut into pieces Sado, son of Omer Beaten and cut into pieces Aso, son of Reso Beaten and cut into pieces Kulu, son of Canko Stabbed in the eye with a bayonet Musa, son of Canko Bayonet in his eye Emin, son of Molla Hamit Bayonet in his eye Molla Abdullah, son of Hamit Bayonet in his eye Ibo, son of Haci Bayonet in his eye Sado, son of Haci Bayonet in his eye Abdullah, son of Canko Slaughtered Ibo, son of Ahmet Abdomen ripped open Ismail, son of Ibo Burnt in fire Musto, son of Ozu Bullets Mahmut, son of Seyyo Slaughtered Kocak, son of Birro Bullets Musto, son of Husnu Bullets Uso, son of Alo Bullets Maksut, son of Peri Bullets Haci, son of Peri Bullets Mehmet, son of Hasanali Bayonet Ibo, son of Hasanali Bayonet Abdo, son of Mehmed Bayonet Molla Suleyman Burnt in oven Mazgi, son of Abdullah Stabbed in abdomen by bayonet Sulis, son of Hasan Bullets Mahmo, son of Mehmet Stabbed with a dagger Murat, son of Hasan Stabbed with a dagger Uso, son of Avci Blinded with a bayonet Lesko, son of Mehmet Stabbed with a dagger Abdullah, son of Kasim Bullets Coban Abdullah Bullets Seymo, son of Mumin Bullets Muammer, son of Reso Bullets Paso, son of Merzi Bullets Gulu, son of Bitor Bullets Murat, son of Yusuf Bullets and bayonet Cedo, son of Haci Ibrahim Bullets and bayonet Faki Mehmet Bullets and bayonet Silo, son of Abdulcebbar Bullets and bayonet List of massacred females from the same village: Kasi, daughter of Huso and wife of Haci Ibrahim Bullets Fati, daughter of Isa, wife of Aduz Bullets Zeresan, daughter of Amat, wife of Reso Bayonet Gullu, daughter of Iyso Cutting off her breasts Sulnu, daughter of Sulo, Ripping open her abdomen and burning wife of Ibo her baby in oven Fatma, daughter of Ibo Slaughtered and burnt in oven Fidan hatun Burnt in oven Gulfizar, daughter of Hacihan, wife of Musto Slaughtered Rahime, daughter of Mehmet, wife of Halil Bullets Binefs, daughter of Haci Kerim, wife of Suleyman Burnt in oven Mahiye, daughter of Ali, wife of Sivno Slaughtered Hati, daughter of Haci, wife of Ahmet Slaughtered Hacer, daughter of Meho Bullet and bayonet List of Females of the same village raped and murdered: Nadire, daughter of Haci, wife of Suvis Hani, daughter of Kulu, wife of Zerko Zaliha, daughter of Telli, wife of Silo Arap, daughter of Sami, wife of Hilo Wounded males and females of the same village: (a long list) List of massacred males and females at Istuci village: Mikail, son of Alo Bullets Musto, son of Ismail Bullets Dervis, son of Maksut Bullets Ali, son of Nimet Bayonet Esat, son of Kelo Bayonet and bullets Isa, son of Nebi Bayonet and bullets Cevher, son of Gani Beaten by rifle butt Ziro, daughter of Hasan Died from injuries Hazal, daughter of Ali, wife of Acem Died from injuries Hamsa, daughter of Huseyin, wife of Huseyin Died from injuries List of raped women at Istuci village in life: Sabo, daughter of Maho Virgin Miri, other daughter of Maho Virgin Emine, daughter of Meho, wife of Sofi Salih Sahap, daughter of Ali, wife of Nevruz Gullu, daughter of Mahi Virgin List of persons attacked by Armenian gangs: (a long list)"" Serdar Argic",17 "Andrew, You can get the heat sinks at Digi-Key 1-800-344-4539 part #HS157-ND $4.10 size 1.89""L x 1.89""W x .600""H comes with clips to install it. But if it was me I would get a $12.99 small fan from Radio Shack and install it where it could just blow at the cpu instead...Sam",3 " Unfortunately, you seem to lack the ability to rate players. Dave Winfield has had a better career than half the people in the Hall of Fame. Eddie Murray and Darrel Evans are both one of the top 100 players of all time. Lee Smith has had probably the greatest long career of any relief pitcher since 1960, with the possible exception of Gossage. On the other hand, Kingman probably isn't one of the best 750 players of all time. And Reardon, though a good pitcher, isn't in Smith's class career wise. We're talking 2 of the top 50 players of all time here. There probably aren't 5 shortstops in history who were better than these two. Garvey sucked. Morris, while a very good pitcher, simply doesn't belong near Cooperstown. Gee, can these guys even compare to If Puckett and Ryan (okay, no if there) get into to the Hall, they will be marginal Hall of Famers (unless Puckett keeps hitting like he did last year for a while longer) To put this in perspective, here's a listing of the linear weights values of the careers of the players you mention. In parenthesis is how high they are up on the greatest ever list if they make it. While no one would claim these are perfect rankings, they should give you a good value of these guys' careers as compared to average players. Robin Yount 43.0 (41) Ozzie Smith 42.1 (45) Dave Winfield 40.3 (53) Eddie Murray 37.5 (68) Darrel Evans 35.2 (80) Kirby Puckett 24.3 (180) Nolan Ryan 21.6 (219) Jack Morris 11.8 (478) Dave Kingman 0.4 Steve Garvey -5.8 To give you an idea of how these numbers compare to those in the Hall: Of the 71 eligible players whose career stats equaled 35.0, 64 are in the Hall of Fame. The ones who aren't include 4 19th century players, Ron Santo, Bobby Grich, and Bob Johnson. Of those eligible who score between 30.0 and 34.9, 15 of 25 are in. Of those eligible who score between 25.0 and 29.9, 24 of 44 are in. ",9 " There's absolutely no reason why differences in the DRAM access time _alone_ would cause an incompatibility. There would have to be another difference between the SIMMs for there to be a problem. I've often used memory of different speeds with no problems whatsoever. As long as it's as fast (or faster) than the minimum requirement you should be fine. Just out of curiosity, did you actually try this and see a problem, or were you told it wouldn't work and so never tried it? Also out of curiosity, do you know exactly who in Cupertino you dealer talked to (as I'd like to find out what they're basing this recommendation on).",4 " ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Been a while since you hit the PIP? The pavement (at least until around exit 9) is for sh*t these days. I think it must have taken a beating this winter, because I don't remember it being this bad. It's all breaking apart, and there are some serious potholes now. Of course there are also the storm drains that are *in* your lane as opposed to on the side of the road (talk about annoying cost saving measures). As for traffic, don't try it around 5:15 - 6:30 on weekdays (outbound, rush hour happens inbound too) as there are many BDC's... <...> <...> ",8 "I've been to three talks in the last month which might be of interest. I've transcribed some of my notes below. Since my note taking ability is by no means infallible, please assume that all factual errors are mine. Permission is granted to copy this without restriction. Note for newbies: The Delta Clipper project is geared towards producing a single staget to orbit, reusable launch vehicle. The DC-X vehicle is a 1/3 scale vehicle designed to test some of the concepts invovled in SSTO. It is currently undergoing tests. The DC-Y vehicle would be a full scale experimental vehicle capable of reaching orbit. It has not yet been funded. On April 6th, Rocky Nelson of MacDonnell Douglas gave a talk entitled ""Optimizing Techniques for Advanced Space Missions"" here at the University of Illinois. Mr Nelson's job involves using software to simulate trajectories and determine the optimal trajectory within given requirements. Although he is not directly involved with the Delta Clipper project, he has spent time with them recently, using his software for their applications. He thus used the DC-Y project for most of his examples. While I don't think the details of implicit trajectory simulation are of much interest to the readers (I hope they aren't - I fell asleep during that part), I think that many of you will be interested in some of the details gleaned from the examples. The first example given was the maximization of payload for a polar orbit. The main restriction is that acceleration must remain below 3 Gs. I assume that this is driven by passenger constraints rather than hardware constraints, but I did not verify that. The Delta Clipper Y version has 8 engines - 4 boosters and 4 sustainers. The boosters, which have a lower isp, are shut down in mid-flight. Thus, one critical question is when to shut them down. Mr Nelson showed the following plot of acceleration vs time: ______ 3 G /| / | / | / | As ASCII graphs go, this is actually fairly / | / | good. The big difference is that the lines 2 G / |/ | made by the / should be curves which are / | concave up. The data is only approximate, as / | the graph wasn't up for very long. 1 G / | | | 0 G | ^ ^ ~100 sec ~400 sec As mentioned before, a critical constraint is that G levels must be kept below 3. Initially, all eight engines are started. As the vehicle burns fuel the accelleration increases. As it gets close to 3G, the booster engines are throtled back. However, they quickly become inefficient at low power, so it soon makes more sense to cut them off altogether. This causes the dip in accelleration at about 100 seconds. Eventually the remaining sustainer engines bring the G level back up to about 3 and then hold it there until they cut out entirely. The engine cutoff does not acutally occur in orbit. The trajectory is aimed for an altitude slightly higher than the 100nm desired and the last vestiges of air drag slow the vehicle slightly, thus lowering the final altitude to that desired. Questions from the audience: (paraphrased) Q: Would it make sense to shut down the booster engines in pairs, rather than all at once? A: Very perceptive. Worth considering. They have not yet done the simulation. Shutting down all four was part of the problem as given. Q: So what was the final payload for this trajectory? A: Can't tell us. ""Read Aviation Leak."" He also apparently had a good propulsion example, but was told not to use it. My question: Does anyone know if this security is due to SDIO protecting national security or MD protecting their own interests? The second example was reentry simulation, from orbit to just before the pitch up maneuver. The biggest constraint in this one is aerodynamic heating, and the parameter they were trying to maximize was crossrange. He showed graphs of heating using two different models, to show that both were very similar, and I think we were supposed to assume that this meant they were very accurate. The end result was that for a polar orbit landing at KSC, the DC-Y would have about 30 degrees of crossrange and would start it's reentry profile about 60 degrees south latitude. I would have asked about the landing maneuvers, but he didn't know about that aspect of the flight profile. ",14 ,12 "Now, that Clinton can get e-mail, i'm wondering if Congress is also going on line.. If so, does anyone have the address to reach them?? I'm also looking for Bill's e-mail address. please e-mail me, i am not a regualar reader of this newsgrouop. ",18 ": > : >Well, at least I damaged my own bike. If I had done it to someone else's : >property I'd *really* feel like a jerk. As it is I just feel stupid. : > : I don't mean to be a cynic but . . . . you may want to reconsider : having the body work done right away. The same type of thing : may happen again. Wait till you get used to the bike, etc. Well, I waited a whole week to take the pastic bits off and take them to the body shop. Is that long enough :-) --",8 "I also had a simular problem with by NEC P7, it went away when I turned on the ""print directly to parallel port"" option in the printer setup apallette. -- Mencsh tract und Gott lacht",2 " No. The christians were leary of having an atheist spokesman (seems so clandestine, and all that), so they had him removed. Of course, Keith is busy explaining to his fellow captives how he isn't really being persecuted, since (after all) they *are* feeding him, and any resistance on his part would only be viewed as trouble making. I understand he did make a bit of a fuss when they tatooed ""In God We Trust"" on his forehead, though. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea.",0 "I am looking for the exact address of the Symantec Coporatoin, which distributes Norton Desktop and other Windows software. The information I am looking for is: Mail address Phone number Fax number E-mail address Thanks in advance. ",2 "WHile we are on the subject of the shuttle software. what ever happened to the hypothesis that the shuttle flight software was a major factor in the loss of 51-L. to wit, that during the wind shear event, the Flight control software indicated a series of very violent engine movements that shocked and set upa harmonic resonance leading to an overstress of the struts.",14 " An Easy way to solve the problem is to use two op-amps to form the balanced low-Z output, but this solution does not provide any galvanic isolation between keyboard (or whatever plugged) and mixer. If no tight requiremets are demanded and some hum, snap, crackle and pop sounds (formed by ground loops) can be tolerated, the op-amp solution is just what you are looking for! (It is cheap...somewhat $10/DI-box). Not sure, but Craig Anderton did introduce one DI-box project in Guitar Player mag years ago (transformerless)..... Hope this helps. Email, if more details wanted.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Heikki Paananen heke@stekt.oulu.fi The University of Oulu Department of electrical engineering -Just a student Finland",12 " I second what Spenser Aden said in reply. Additionally, it is hard to say what type of response you ar3e having to prednisone since you did not say how long you have been on it. Patients are generally kept on steroids for months before thinking about tapering. Alternatives to daily dosing are every other day dosing, in your case 20mg every other day would be a start. Another option if it is not possible to get you off prednisone is to start azathioprine. Like Spenser said, you should generally be on another drug in addition to your prednisone, like asulfidine. A lot of the specifics about options, though, depends on severity, location, and duration of disease, as well as histology, so take advice off the net for what it is worth. I treat patients with UC and Crohn's. An educated patient is a good patient, but let your doctor know where the advice came from so things can be put in context. You should also be a member of the Crohn's and Colitis Foundation of America. 1-800-932-2423 office / 1-800-343-3637 info hotline. Best of Luck to you.",13 " Well, if everything wouldn't be okay, then tell us what it is that wouldn't be okay. That is, if religions were no longer tax-exempt, then what would be wrong with their lobbying or otherwise attempting to influence politics?",0 "Does anyone out there use a SIGMA designs VIDEO/SOUND card ? The model is called WIN-STORM-PC . They also have one model the Legend-24lx Any info on these like performance and compatibility, or even problems encountered will be appreciated.",2 " It's supposedly a high-performance chip based upon workstation graphics accelerators. It's quite fast (I have 7), but as usual with new boards/chips the drivers are buggy for Windows. As far as Winmarks go, it depends upon the version. I think I got 42M winmarks with version 3.11. 2.5 yielded the 50+ number. I've also benchmarked this with Wintach at over 65 (from memory as well). As far as the low-level stuff goes, it looks pretty nice. It's got this quadrilateral fill command that requires just the four points. It's very fast, but beware of buggy drivers, and otherwise no non-windows support. ",1 "Reposted, without permission, from rec.music.dylan: ",9 "Hi ... can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of updated Canon BJ-200 printer driver for Windows 3.1, if any ? I have ver 1.0 which comes with my BJ-200 printer, I just wonder if there is any newer version.",2 "[deleted] I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding your post, but DRAM *does not* have to be refreshed on *each access cycle*. So cycle time does *not* have to be twice the access time *because of refresh phase*. The access time usually means the delay time from falling edge of raw address strobe (RAS) to data bus driven. DRAM access cycle timing chart can be roughly shown as following (some signals are intentionally omitted); ADDR ------------------ RA=Raw Address, CA=Column Address RAS ~~~~\________/~~~~~\________/~~~~~ ~=High, _=Low, -=Floating CAS ~~~~~~~\_______/~~~~~~\_______/~~~ <..>=driven either H or L DATA -------------------- |-------+------| |-+--| | | +----------- cycle time +---- access time (or RAS access time) Yes, the cycle time is more than twice as the access time but *not* because of the refresh phase. The refresh can be done either as a trailing phase of normal access cycle or as an individual cycle. [other stuff deleted] Ken Nakata",3 " ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes... ^^^^ Hmm, sounds like a useful trick -- it'd keep the local cagers at least a crutch-length off my tail-light, which is more than they give me now. But do I have to break a leg to use it? (When I broke my ankle dirt-biking, I ended up strapping the crutches to the back of the bike & riding to the lab. It was my right ankle, but the bike was a GT380 and started easily by hand.)",8 "Re: Flaming wreckage I wrote my congressmen strongly worded letters demanding they dissolve the BATF. Perhaps anger and grief can help spur a letter writing campaign?",16 " OK ... a near-majority actually OWN firearms, but I will still claim that the VAST majority never needs to use them or even threaten anyone with them. What do they do right ... or are they just lucky ? In either case, this means the 'average threat level' in this country is rather low. I think you have weapons on the brain. I never said that these alternative means of self-protection involved any hardware. Why are 'good' neighborhoods 'good' ? It isn't because every person is armed to the teeth. It is because of (1) attitude and (2) cooperation. In the 'good' neighborhoods, the residents make themselves aware of their neighbors and notice when strangers are lurking around. 'Good' neighborhoods form groups like 'crime-watch' to increase this effect, and the relative effectiveness of the police. When hostiles are arrested, the good neighbors step up and say ""THAT'S the one officer ! He was robbing Mr. Jones' house"". In short, the alternative to firepower is gangs ... or at least a benificent manifestation of that social cooperative. Replace lead with flesh ... the flesh makes a better conversationalist too and you can invite it over for a block party. Oliver North. The man is positively worshiped in many all-American 'conservative' quarters. He and Big Ron set-up a secret government and did all sorts of severely illegal deeds - the kind of stuff you and I would be doing twenty-to-life for, yet he walks free. This BS happens all the time. In fact, it happens so much that no one really cares anymore. 'Legitimacy' is a non-issue. Legality is a non-issue. So long as we get T-bones and our MTV, who gives a rats ass ? No. I claimed that no one is interested in the statistical aspects of the argument. Pure emotion, like the abortion issue. Argue away ... you can't win. ",16 "well people, I can only recomend the non-flat-screen, no-hype, no-nonsense NEC 3DS that I have, and PLUS, it has the ADVANTAGE of NOT having one of those new flat screen tubes which are oversensitive and fragile and break often! this is a 15'' heavy-duty rugged set for those who insist on well-proven reliable technologies!",3 "The title says it all. I need to know the 44, 88, and 88c rom versions.",4 " Not at all. Two weeks ago I registered a concern about some programming that was being conducted by a student organisation here at the University of Texas at San Antonio. As a result, I was interrogated by the capus police, who also attempted to create a positive-identification file (photo, fingerprints, etc.). I refused to permit this, and filed a complaint with the University administration. The Vice-President for Business Affairs (the 'boss' of the campus police) stated that he had no interest in the legal/Constitutional implications of those actions. ",11 " We might be better off had some of our former presidents done nothing. ",18 " I've sent the article. In terms of the group discussion, I wanted to point out that ""non-liberal education"" (head in the sand) is not the same as ""abstinence education"". We had ""non-liberal education"" regarding drugs when I was a kid in the 60's, which didn't do us a lot of good. But ""abstinence education"" regarding drugs has proven effective, I think. ",15 " Yah. So? He certainly didn't earn his last one. *HOW* many games did he blow in the World Series? All of the ones he started? Oh, yes. Definitely. Therefore Morris is better than Clemens. Don't give me that shit. If Boston had Alomar, Olerud, Henke, and Ward while Toronto had Rivera, Jack Clark, Jeff Reardon, things would have looked a little different last fall. Give credit where credit is due. This lavishing of praise on Morris makes me sick. I'm willing to bet they don't finish sixth. I'm also willing to bet they don't finish first. And if you give me 3-2 odds, I'm willing to bet that they finish ahead of the Blue Jays.",9 "[...lots of stuff about intellectual errors deleted...] This is cute, but I see no statement telling me why your church is the true church. I do presume that you know or at least believe that yours is true. Attempting to ream my faith without replacing it with something ""better"" is a real good way to loose a person completely from Christ. This is the greatest reason I see that these attacks are not motivated by love. They only seek to destroy there is no building or replacing of belief. This is not something Christ did. He guided and instructed He didn't seek to destroy the faith He found, He redirected it. This is what I see when people say they ""love"" . And I have to laugh at the irony. ",19 " The Orion concept as actually proposed (as opposed to the way it has been somewhat misrepresented in some fiction) included wrapping a thick layer of reaction mass -- probably plastic of some sort -- around each bomb. The bomb vaporizes the reaction mass, and it's that which transfers momentum to the pusher plate.",14 " I *loved* Dan Kelly! He was on USA when I first got hooked on Hockey back in 1980 or so. No, he wasn't always spot on top of the play, and he wasn't overly cute, but those pipes! That lusty, barrel chested, voice! No pipsqueak was he (unlike some fellas we know!) I rode into hockey mania on the coattails of Gretzky and the Boys on the Bus. My first Finals saw the Islanders sweep them. But I'll never forget the night, a year later, when the Oilers closed it out at home in the pandemonium, the smoke from a million sparklers, the long empty-net goal near the end, and Dan Kelly letting the crowd's reaction tell the story for a few long seconds, then that voice barking through the din ""Dave Lumley ... sews it up for Edmonton!"" It sounds stupid, but that early (for me) hockey memory will always bring a thrill. Since then I've grown a lot more jaded about the game, but I was really saddened by Dan Kelly's passing. He was one of the good guys.",10 "I have a problem with intersections between two surfaces. Does anybody have a easy to understand algorithm for that or maybe even C source?? ",1 "Howdy, Sorry if this has been covered before: One of my PC illiterate friends asked me to help him install DRDOS 6.0 on his NEC Powermate SX (386SX 16). Of course, I said ""No problem"" and went to work. Unfortunately, the DRDOS refuses to recognize the hard drive during installation, even though I am still able to boot off of the hard drive using the old DOS. After openning it up I discovered it was using an 8-bit Seagate SCSI controller on a ST-157N SCSI 40Mbtye drive. I then booted with DRDOS 6.0 off of the floppy a second time and ran fdisk to see if I could access the drive. Lo and behold the primary 46.5 Mbyte partition was intact (created by DOS 3.1 no less, I didn't think you could go over a 32Mbyte partition in the older DOSes. I could be wrong...). I then tried to remove the primary partition, which it wouldn't allow me to do. I am unaware of anything special that has to be done with a SCSI drive (I kinda expected it to work just like an IDE/MFM/RLL drive for DOS installations). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated (except for ""Throw it in the garbage and buy a new PC"")... Thanks in advance,",3 "The article that follows was taken from the Wednesday, April 14, 1993 issue of USA Today (""Drug Use Up At Younger Age"" by Mike Snider, p. 1A). Drug use is on the rise among kids as young as eighth graders - usually 13 - and they're using more LSD and inhalants like glue and air fresheners, says a new survey. The annual National High School Senior Survey on Drug Abuse finds ""statistically significant increases"" in eighth-graders' use of many drugs, including marijuana, cocaine, crack, LSD and inhalants. ""We may be in danger of losing some ... hard-won ground (in reducing drug use) as a new, more naive generation of youngsters enters adolescence,"" says Lloyd Johnston, University of Michigan, chief researcher on the study sponsored by the Department of Health and Human Services. But drug use among high school seniors is continuing a decade-long decline. The study of 50,000 students shows the percentage who tried the following in the 30 days before they were polled: * 8th-graders - alcohol 26%; cigarettes 16%; marijuana 4%; cocaine 0.7%. * 10th-graders - alcohol 40%; cigarettes 22%; marijuana 8%; cocaine 0.7%. * 12th-graders - alcohol 51%; cigarettes 28%; marijuana 12%; cocaine 1.3%. Among 12th-graders, use of marijuana, cocaine and inhalants declined over the year before. Not so with LSD. * 2% of eighth-graders have tried LSD in the last year, up 24% over 1991. * Use of LSD among seniors is at its highest point since 1982; 6% tried it in the last year. Reducing drug use among students ""requires a different kind of strategy"" that Health Secretary Donna Shalala says will be part of an overall illness prevention plan. The survey shows drugs are easier to get and fewer eighth-graders disapprove of them. ""It's scary,"" Shalala says. ""Dealers are focusing on younger, more vulnerable kids."" Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot",18 " Remember the OT doctrine of 2 witnesses? Perhaps the prophets testified He is coming. The Apostles, testified He came.",15 " Well, my driveway is... Just keep an eye out for the blue GLH Turbo that utilizes the ""hit-the-ground-running"" merging technique. At least I don't have a dog that you need worry about. Last week while entering a sand/gravel covered intersection in the country, I caught something unkosher out of the corner of my eye (you know that disgusting sensation when great, as-of-yet unidentified, evil is about to intimately acquaint itself with you-- kind of like knowing that that darkening shadow around you just cannot possibly be anything even remotely good, because it probably has something to do with a Boeing 747 behaving, gravitationally speaking, much like a brick). Negotiating my way into this intersection that somehow reminded me of Daytona beach (sans H2O, sun, & babes) I manage to get a glance at my impending destiny. Lucifer's own DOG. Hell's secret blend of canine-- Doberman and Rottweiler (it moved with the grace of a Doberman, yet had the hulk and jowels of the Rottweiler-- a creature with a definite *wrong* end to be at). The picture in my mirrors was fuzzy, but there was no mistaking the fangs and saliva trail. To shorten a verbose tale, my burly gaurdian-angels once again performed above and beyond the call of duty, carried the bike through the sand-trap (I honestlyhave no idea how), and left the minion of Beelzebub with a face that suspiciously resembles a Metzler tread. No blood, though-- Rats. Moral: I'm not really sure, but more and more I believe that bikers ought to be allowed to carry handguns. -Erc. _______________________________________________________________________________ C Eric Sundheim GrandRapids, MI, USA `90 Hondo VFR750f DoD# 1138",8 "Here is the OPI (Offensive Production Index) for all NL players with at least 10 at-bats. It is early in the season so there are some high numbers. Barry Bonds finished last season at 0.795. I welcome comments and suggestions. Kevin League OPI: 0.410 League BA: 0.252 League SLG: 0.375 League OBA: 0.321 Rank Player OPI BA SLG OBA ----------------------------------------------------- 1 Phi,daulton 1.101 0.333 0.875 0.515 2 Phi,kruk 1.069 0.429 0.821 0.529 3 Cub,grace 1.007 0.452 0.742 0.514 4 Cub,may 0.931 0.389 0.889 0.421 5 Col,boston 0.888 0.545 0.545 0.545 6 Pit,bell 0.873 0.429 0.714 0.467 7 Col,galarraga 0.867 0.458 0.708 0.458 8 StL,pena 0.833 0.400 0.600 0.516 9 StL,zeile 0.811 0.440 0.560 0.500 10 Cin,mitchell 0.810 0.429 0.643 0.467 11 Mon,lansing 0.792 0.419 0.677 0.438 12 Pit,slaught 0.754 0.474 0.526 0.474 13 Mon,vanderwal 0.746 0.389 0.556 0.476 14 NYM,tfernandez 0.709 0.300 0.400 0.500 15 SnF,martinez 0.697 0.300 0.400 0.500 16 Hou,bagwell 0.695 0.367 0.567 0.424 17 Col,hayes 0.686 0.333 0.667 0.364 18 Col,eyoung 0.682 0.333 0.500 0.407 19 Mon,alou 0.675 0.371 0.600 0.389 20 Cin,milligan 0.659 0.333 0.375 0.515 21 Phi,dykstra 0.646 0.214 0.571 0.405 22 SnF,bonds 0.624 0.280 0.680 0.333 22 Flo,conine 0.624 0.393 0.393 0.469 24 SnD,plantier 0.603 0.286 0.571 0.375 25 Hou,gonzalez 0.596 0.296 0.667 0.296 26 Hou,anthony 0.594 0.320 0.480 0.414 27 Col,cole 0.579 0.318 0.409 0.400 28 Atl,sanders 0.576 0.357 0.643 0.357 29 Mon,berry 0.566 0.273 0.273 0.500 30 Cub,sosa 0.558 0.303 0.545 0.343 31 StL,jefferies 0.551 0.269 0.692 0.296 32 Pit,vanslyke 0.549 0.296 0.444 0.387 33 *Montreal 0.548 0.312 0.490 0.367 34 Los,butler 0.545 0.296 0.333 0.457 35 Mon,grissom 0.542 0.333 0.455 0.371 36 Pit,king 0.536 0.308 0.346 0.438 37 SnD,gwynn 0.533 0.280 0.400 0.379 38 Pit,merced 0.532 0.300 0.400 0.391 39 NYM,murray 0.521 0.308 0.462 0.357 40 StL,gilkey 0.514 0.312 0.438 0.353 41 NYM,bonilla 0.507 0.292 0.417 0.370 42 SnD,walters 0.501 0.300 0.500 0.333 43 Cub,wilson 0.497 0.323 0.452 0.344 44 Flo,weiss 0.492 0.261 0.348 0.433 45 *Philadelphia 0.487 0.243 0.431 0.348 46 Atl,justice 0.480 0.207 0.448 0.361 47 *Pittsburgh 0.479 0.292 0.428 0.351 48 StL,osmith 0.476 0.310 0.448 0.355 49 Phi,incaviglia 0.473 0.250 0.500 0.308 50 Pit,young 0.470 0.286 0.500 0.310 51 *StLouis 0.467 0.275 0.445 0.344 52 *Colorado 0.459 0.287 0.426 0.327 53 NYM,hundley 0.458 0.300 0.450 0.333 54 NYM,orsulak 0.454 0.357 0.429 0.400 55 SnF,benjamin 0.440 0.200 0.500 0.273 56 Atl,gant 0.438 0.214 0.464 0.333 56 *NYMets 0.438 0.261 0.345 0.356 58 *Houston 0.436 0.260 0.415 0.318 59 Mon,pitcher 0.434 0.312 0.375 0.353 60 Phi,morandini 0.433 0.240 0.360 0.321 61 Hou,cedeno 0.427 0.280 0.440 0.308 62 Cin,sabo 0.423 0.226 0.452 0.273 63 SnF,manwaring 0.413 0.261 0.435 0.292 64 *SnFrancisco 0.412 0.253 0.396 0.315 65 Atl,blauser 0.409 0.276 0.310 0.364 66 SnF,thompson 0.408 0.278 0.389 0.316 66 Hou,caminiti 0.408 0.259 0.481 0.286 68 Flo,barberie 0.405 0.267 0.267 0.371 69 Mon,cordero 0.400 0.276 0.345 0.323 70 SnD,sheffield 0.397 0.241 0.448 0.267 71 Los,karros 0.392 0.259 0.296 0.355 72 SnF,williams 0.391 0.226 0.452 0.250 72 SnD,mcgriff 0.391 0.192 0.385 0.276 74 Flo,destrade 0.390 0.267 0.333 0.333 75 Col,girardi 0.388 0.238 0.381 0.304 76 Atl,bream 0.386 0.182 0.409 0.250 77 Mon,wood 0.385 0.200 0.300 0.333 78 Flo,santiago 0.384 0.200 0.360 0.286 79 Phi,thompson 0.383 0.227 0.273 0.320 80 SnF,clayton 0.382 0.345 0.379 0.345 80 Los,piazza 0.382 0.304 0.391 0.333 82 SnD,bell 0.378 0.273 0.364 0.304 83 Los,wallach 0.374 0.200 0.400 0.273 84 Cin,larkin 0.367 0.281 0.281 0.361 85 Pit,garcia 0.366 0.273 0.318 0.304 85 *Cincinnati 0.366 0.256 0.319 0.326 87 NYM,coleman 0.363 0.259 0.259 0.310 88 NYM,kent 0.362 0.190 0.286 0.320 89 StL,whiten 0.361 0.240 0.360 0.321 90 Cin,roberts 0.359 0.278 0.278 0.333 90 *Cubs 0.359 0.236 0.366 0.277 92 SnF,lewis 0.354 0.227 0.364 0.261 92 Hou,finley 0.354 0.214 0.250 0.312 92 Col,clark 0.354 0.250 0.350 0.286 95 Los,pitcher 0.350 0.286 0.357 0.286 95 *SnDiego 0.350 0.219 0.357 0.268 97 Atl,lemke 0.345 0.200 0.240 0.333 98 *LosAngeles 0.339 0.221 0.275 0.311 99 SnF,mcgee 0.335 0.267 0.300 0.333 99 *Atlanta 0.335 0.199 0.308 0.287 101 Cin,sanders 0.334 0.267 0.333 0.290 101 Cin,oliver 0.334 0.208 0.208 0.345 103 SnD,gardner 0.332 0.238 0.333 0.273 103 Los,reed 0.332 0.276 0.276 0.323 105 Phi,hollins 0.327 0.226 0.290 0.294 106 *Florida 0.326 0.226 0.268 0.311 107 Los,davis 0.325 0.188 0.219 0.278 108 Atl,pendleton 0.322 0.212 0.273 0.297 109 SnF,clark 0.316 0.161 0.290 0.257 110 Los,strawberry 0.314 0.111 0.185 0.314 110 Hou,biggio 0.314 0.179 0.214 0.303 112 Phi,bell 0.304 0.182 0.364 0.217 113 Flo,magadan 0.303 0.182 0.182 0.357 114 StL,pagnozzi 0.299 0.158 0.316 0.238 115 Pit,martin 0.295 0.167 0.417 0.167 115 Col,bichette 0.295 0.222 0.389 0.222 117 Hou,taubensee 0.294 0.190 0.333 0.227 118 Mon,bolick 0.292 0.250 0.312 0.250 119 Flo,pose 0.291 0.258 0.323 0.303 120 Mon,cianfrocco 0.287 0.188 0.375 0.188 121 NYM,johnson 0.274 0.136 0.136 0.296 122 Cin,kelly 0.272 0.250 0.333 0.270 123 Atl,nixon 0.256 0.185 0.222 0.241 124 NYM,pitcher 0.255 0.167 0.250 0.231 125 Pit,pitcher 0.250 0.222 0.278 0.222 126 Cub,buechle 0.231 0.154 0.192 0.241 127 StL,lankford 0.225 0.133 0.133 0.316 128 Atl,olson 0.224 0.150 0.150 0.261 129 Cub,vizcaino 0.217 0.148 0.259 0.179 130 Cub,sanchez 0.212 0.188 0.219 0.212 131 Phi,duncan 0.202 0.214 0.214 0.214 132 Los,offerman 0.198 0.182 0.182 0.250 133 SnF,pitcher 0.197 0.176 0.235 0.176 134 Mon,laker 0.183 0.133 0.267 0.133 135 Phi,chamberlain 0.180 0.111 0.111 0.200 136 SnD,pitcher 0.164 0.182 0.182 0.182 136 Atl,pitcher 0.164 0.182 0.182 0.182 138 Phi,pitcher 0.159 0.111 0.167 0.158 139 Cub,maldonado 0.150 0.105 0.158 0.150 140 Flo,felix 0.148 0.172 0.207 0.172 141 Cin,espy 0.141 0.100 0.100 0.182 142 StL,jordan 0.140 0.105 0.211 0.105 143 Atl,berryhill 0.128 0.091 0.182 0.091 144 Cub,pitcher 0.126 0.111 0.111 0.158 145 SnD,shipley 0.122 0.087 0.174 0.087 146 StL,pitcher 0.106 0.125 0.125 0.125 147 Hou,pitcher 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067 147 Col,benavides 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067 147 Cin,pitcher 0.053 0.067 0.067 0.067 150 Cub,wilkins 0.038 0.000 0.000 0.067 151 Flo,pitcher 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 151 Col,pitcher 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.000 0.74*1B + 1.28*2B + 1.64*3B + 2.25*HR + 0.53*BB + 0.34*(SB-2*CS) OPI = ---------------------------------------------------------------- AB - H BA = H / AB SLG = (H + 2B + 2*3B + 3*HR) / AB OBA = (H + BB) / (AB + BB)",9 "misc.entrepreneurs,misc.wanted,pnw.forsale,uw.pc.ibm,seattle.forsale,uw. .forsale,misc.forsale, misc.forsale.computers.d,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.co omputers.other, Distribution: world From:yuri@atmos.washington.edu Reply-To: yuri@atmos.washington.edu Organization: Subject: 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB needed Keywords: I need 100 simms and 100 sipps 1MB, but price should be around $17-20/piece. I am waiting for an offer.",3 "Hello, I've been trying to bump map a gif onto a sphere for a while and I can't seem to get it to work. Image mapping works, but not bump mapping. Here's a simple file I was working with, could some kind soul tell me whats wrong with this..... #include ""colors.inc"" #include ""shapes.inc"" #include ""textures.inc"" camera { location <0 1 -3> direction <0 0 1.5> up <0 1 0> right <1.33 0 0> look_at <0 1 2> } object { light_source { <2 4 -3> color White } } object { sphere { <0 1 2> 1 } texture { bump_map { 1 <0 1 2> gif ""surf.gif""} } } NOTE: surf.gif is a plasma fractal from Fractint that is using the landscape palette map. Thanks in advance -Daniel-",1 "Hey All, Does anyone know if I can ftp to get the newest version of Radiusware and soft pivot from Radius? I bought a pivot monitor, but it has an old version of this software and won't work on my C650, and Radius said it would be 4-5 weeks until delivery. Thanks!",4 "I have the local bus card also, and don't have any such problems with it now, but this is the second card I've gotten - the first card didn't work in VGA mode correctly. Maybe they still have some quality control problems. I would suggest checking with ATI (I went through the vendor I bought the card from since the problem showed up immediately). I never was able to get through to ATI's technical support number. I sure like the way the card performs though. I have the 2MB ATI ultra pro - local bus, and it is fast even in 1024x768x16bpp mode. Cheers, Phil ",2 "Well, it really isn't this cut and dry, but as a Jay fan the thing I feared worst has happened. The Yanks sent down Williams G and are going to start Williams B in CF. I also believe they kept Wickman and Millitello in their rotation, which is much nicer than that Kaminiecki and Mike Witt combo I thought they'd throw out their to the slaughterhouse because of their ""experience"". Granted, Witt ""might"" be good, but I think that they used rationale to keep the youngsters up and not given the job to Witt because he was a good pitcher and has experience. The Yanks are showing that they are taking positive strides forwards; the Jays with the loss of Dave Stewart are looking at gigantic holes in their pitching staff. The Orioles should also be there in the end.....",9 "You are brain damaged. That hate of++0B1FATransfer cancelledf yours courses through your sick body like poison. It's just a matter of time. Your fate is sealed.",17 " I agree with what Darren has to say here, but would like to add a personal observation. What I see as arrogance and the problem I have with it is not a sense of personal certainty, but a lack of respect for others who come to differing conclusions. Clearly, this is not just Christian vs. Non-Christian; there is a whole spectrum of belief systems within Christianity. I do not tend to argue with others about matters of personal faith because, like aesthetics, it is not demonstable by objective means. Choosing what to believe and rely on are important areas of personal sovereignty. What bothers me is when others suggest that, in these matters of faith, their specific beliefs are not only true to them but are absolute and should be binding on others. It follows from this that God must give everyone the same revelation of truth, and thus anyone who comes to a different conclusion is intentionally choosing the wrong path. This is the arrogance I see; a lack of respect for the honest conclusions of others on matters which are between them and God. Even a personal certainty leaves room for the beliefs of others. It is universalizing those matters of personal faith, coupled by a proud notion that one's relationship with God is superior to other's, that leads to arrogance. In my honest (and nonuniversal) opinion. :-) comments, criticism welcome... -Ken alvin@ucsu.colorado.edu",15 " Too bad they didn't give him a tour of the CGRO data? I think he'd be fascinated by the Gamma ray bursters. The mind of hawking might even propose a mechanism. SO what's a drag free satellite? coated with WD-40? carries an aluminum-gold set of grateful dead albums? inquiring minds want to know? And why would MO carry any features for being drag free? I thought aero-braking was a possible MO experimental activity?",14 " The Japanese are still on the learning curve as far as nuclear power goes. This means that unlike the Germans (who do great things all by themselves) the Japanese tie up with foreign companies. The major one is Mitsubishi (who else) who have a sharing agreement with GE I think. No chance of a new design. Sodium has *lots* of chemical problems. Like it eats stainless steel. Very slowly but it gets there in the end. Not what I call a desired property. As for design difficulties, what does sodium do there? It is a bitch and it is only its chemical properties (flwed though they are) that means it gets used. Two loops? That's not a design problem? Isolation from air and water? That doesn't cause design problems? In comparison BWR's a dream rides! Don't get none of that in a Liquid Sodium Breeder! More steel, more complexity. Joseph Askew ",14 "I have 16MB of memory on my 386SX. I have been running Windows without a swap file for several months. Will Mathcad 4.0 be happy with this, or insist on a swap file? ",2 "Turkish president Turgur Ozal has passed away today after a heart attack in Ankara at 11:00 am GMT . Mr. Ozal was 66 years old.",18 "Non-smoking roommate needed to sublet 1BR in 2BR carpeted apt. in Evanston, IL near the Dempster el stop parking is available Rent is $322.50/mo. + 1/2 utils. avail. May 1 - beg./end Aug. (entire apt. available Sept. 1) Roommate is 26 years-old, vegetarian, non-smoking female who works at Northwestern No neat freaks please!",6 " Sheesh! I don't know what kind of women they have where you guys live, but there are some ladies here who will blow your doors off. Or at least they will try to, but we just can't let the youngsters get too uppity with us old folks :-).",7 "I want to do the equivalent of an ""xwininfo -name"" via a call or set of calls in Xlib. I need to map a windows name to its id. It's probably easy, but I've only been programming in X for a little while. I've looked in the O'reilly books and didn't find it and I also checked the FAQ and couldn't find it. Email to one of the following addresses and I'll post a response if it seems reasonable to do so. Guy",5 " Just because they can do it anyway, somehow, does not mean it is smart to make the job easier for them. -- ""On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey! On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole that she made from Leftover Turkey. [days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ... -- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)",11 " /> />I always thought GD's Fighter plants were in Long Island. /> /No, Northrup has a plant on Long Island. I don't think Northrup ever had a plant on Long Island. The two main airframe manufacturers there were (Fairchild)/Republic which closed its doors after the T-46 cancellation, and Grumman (which is still hanging on last I time I called). I think Sperry also started there. If you're ever in the area check out the Cradle of Aviation Museum at Mitchell field (now mostly parking lots behind the Nassau Coliseum and the community college). Good display of vehicles from Long Island, including a LEM flight article.",14 " Is it? As far as I know, tear gas, especially in large concentrations, is very dangerous (even toxic) for small children. This makes the FBI's supposedconcern for the safety of the children seem rather hypocritical.",16 "I posted about this a while ago but without code excerpts noone was able to help me. The problem is that main_win.win is doing fine, but when I create detail_win.win, it does not receive it's initial expose events until main_win.win receives an event. Here are the relevent calls: main_win.win = XCreateSimpleWindow (mydisplay, DefaultRootWindow(mydisplay), myhint.x, myhint.y, myhint.width, myhint.height, main_win.line_thick, fg, bg); XSetStandardProperties(mydisplay, main_win.win, main_win.text, main_win.text, None, argv, argc, &myhint); main_win.gc = XCreateGC (mydisplay, main_win.win, 0, 0); XMapRaised (mydisplay, detail_win.win); XMapSubwindows (mydisplay, main_win.win); The event mask for main_win is: PPosition | PSize | StructureNotifyMask | ExposureMask| KeyPressMask | EnterWindowMask | LeaveWindowMask; The flags are PPosition | PSize I then create detail_win.win with the following calls (hints has new values): detail_win.win = XCreateSimpleWindow (mydisplay, DefaultRootWindow(mydisplay), myhint.x, myhint.y, myhint.width, myhint.height, detail_win.line_thick, fg, bg); XSetStandardProperties(mydisplay, main_win.win, detail_win.text, detail_win.text, None, argv, argc, &myhint); detail_win.gc = XCreateGC (mydisplay, detail_win.win, 0, 0); XMapRaised (mydisplay, detail_win.win); Event Mask and flags are identical to main_win's flags and event mask. If anybody has any idea why the initial expose events of detail_win.win are not received until main_win.win receives an event I'd love to hear from them. Other that that everything works great so there must be some detail I'm overseeing. Thanks for any tips ---> Robert rgasch@nl.oracle.com",5 "As it says in the subject, I am looking for a decent EGA or VGA monitor/card combo that is in working condition. The only thing is that it must be an 8-bit card. E-Mail all offers to: IO10702@MAINE.MAINE.EDU",6 "If one reasons that the United States of America at one time represented and protected freedom << individual liberty and personal responsibility >> (and I do, in fact, think that this is true) and that totalitarianism << absolute government control and tyranny >> represents freedom's opposite (which it does), did the USA really win the cold war? Standard disclaimers ALWAYS apply! ---------------- Graham K. Glover ----------------",16 "Please reply via EMail... When I use the terminal software for Windows such as TERMINAL.EXE or Crossttalk, it doesn't use the whole window. I mean, when the software's window size is max, it still scrolls around the 2/3 of window. It does not use whole window. I set ""stty rows 30"", but still the same. Scrolls at 2/3 from the top of the windows. Could anyone tell me how to setup these software to use whole window?",2 "Hello-- I'm currently designing the architecture of a chip which is intended to help speed up common operations on a windowing system such as X. A friend and I are designing the chip as the final course project for an advanced computer architecture course taught by Dr. Fred Brooks at UNC-Chapel Hill. While we feel that we've got a pretty solid design currently, we'd really like to get ahold of some frequency data from an X-Windows server so that we can make the most effective use of our bit budget. Unfortunately, I've been unable to find anything of this sort in the various X FAQs, or X manuals that I've seen. Does anyone have some type of frequency data, like how many Copy-rectangle operations vs draw-lines, and things of that sort? Or, barring that, a program that records requests to the server into a logfile that I can munge on myself? Any and all help would be very appreciated. Many thanks, ---Mark",5 What has this got to do with comp.windows.x?,5 " ""fete""??? Since this word both formally and commonly refers to positive/joyous events, your misuse of it here is rather unsettling. I certainly abhor those Israeli policies and attitudes that are abusive towards the Palestinians/Gazans. Given that, however, there *is no comparison* between the reality of the Warsaw Ghetto and in Gaza. Just as international law recognizes the right of the occupying entity to maintain order, especially in the face of elements that are consciously attempting to disrupt the civil structure. Ironically, international law recognizes each of these focusses (that of the occupied and the occupier) even though they are inherently in conflict. Israel certainly cannot, and should not, continue its present policies towards Gazan residents. There is, however, a third alternative- the creation and implementation of a jewish ""dhimmi"" system with Gazans/Palestinians as benignly ""protected"" citizens. Would you find THAT as acceptable in that form as you do with regard to Islam's policies towards its minorities? It is a race, then? Between Israel's anti-Palestinian/Gazan ""Final Solution"" and the Arab World's anti-Israel/jewish ""Final Solution"". Do you favor one? neither? Since there is justifiable worry by various parties that Israel and Arab/Palestinian ""final solution"" intentions exist, isn't it important that BOTH Israeli *and* Palestinian/Gazan ""rights"" be secured? ",17 "I am looking for a package which takes as inputs a set of geometric objects defined by unions of convex polytopes specified in some manner, say by inequalities and equalities, and determines in some reasonable form things like intersections, unions, etc. etc.. Does anyone know where I can find such a thing?",1 ": . : . : >I have a friend who connects to the mainframe and unix machines here : >using [Procomm Plus for Windows], but the screen seems to have a problem : >keeping up with the : >modem....he has a 14,400 modem on a 486 50 Mhz machine. : Tell him he probably needs to upgrade to a faster video card! My 9600 baud : modem was one of the reasons I sought out the Diamond Speedstar 24X. I get : about 7 million WinMarks on my 386-25 and it just about keeps up with the : modem speed (using procomm plus for windows, too). He should get over : 10 million on his machine with the same card. Anything 10+ should yield : acceptable speed... I'm using PC Plus at home on my trusty old NEC 386 SX/20 with a 14,400 baud modem with no problems at all. I am, however, running only straight 16 color VGA. --",2 Report them to your local BBB (Better Business Bureau).,13 ": :> As someone else has pointed out, why would the stove be in use on a warm day :> in Texas. : :Do YOU eat all your food cold? Thank you for pointing out the obvious to people who so clearly missed it. I can't stand it when people's first reaction is to defend the aggressor. Mr. Tavares, you have a unique and thoughtful way of getting to the heart of the matter, and I thank you for putting it to good use. Mike Ruff ",16 " The problem is, your use of the word ""objective"" along with ""values."" Both definitions three and four are inherently subjective, that is they are particular to a given individual, or personal. You see, what one person may see as worthwhile, another may see as worthless. Again, your form of measurement in this sentence, that being of ""worth"" is subjective. When I find that my usage of a word is different than the usage of that word given by another person, I try to find a standard against which to judge that usage. In most cases, the dictionary is the standard I use. Here is a definiton of objective: objective ADJ. 1. Of or having to do with a material object as distinguished from a mental concept. 2. Having actual existance. 3.a. Unenfluenced by emotion or personal prejudice. b. Based on observable phenomenon. By this definition, science does not have an objective worth, since the phrase ""objective worth"" is an oxymoron. However you asked something a little differently this time, you asked for an objective basis for a notion. The fact that the use of science as an intellectual tool is responsible for changes in our world (the changes are material, and thus ""objective"") would provide an objective _basis_ for an argument. However, the conclusion arrived at from that argument (that science is ""good"") is subjective. I think that the problem here is one of word usage. Take a little time and read the definitions of these words: objective, subjective, worth, value, morality, good, evil. I believe that if you think about the meaning of them for a while, you will have to conclude that there is no such thing as an objective morality. ",19 "A friend has the following symptoms which have occurred periodically every few months for the last 3 years. An episode begins with extreme tiredness followed by: 1. traveling joint pains and stiffness affecting mostly the elbows, knees, and hips. 2. generalized muscle pains 3. tinnitus and a feeling of pressure in her ears 4. severe sweating occuring both at night and during the day 5. hemorrhaging in both eyes. Her opthamologist calls it peripheral retinal hemorhages and says it looks similar to diabetic retinopathy. (She isn't diabetic--they checked. 6. distorted color vision and distorted vision in general (telephone poles do not appear to be straight) 7. loss of peripheral vision. Many tests have been run and all are normal except for something called unidentified bright objects found on a MRI of her brain. The only thing that seems to alleviate one of these episodes is prednisone. At times she had been on 60 mg per day. Whenever she gets down to 10-15 mg the symptoms become acute again.",13 "Archive-name: atheism/overview Alt-atheism-archive-name: overview Last-modified: 5 April 1993 Version: 1.2 Overview Welcome to alt.atheism and alt.atheism.moderated. This is the first in a series of regular postings aimed at new readers of the newsgroups. Many groups of a 'controversial' nature have noticed that new readers often come up with the same questions, mis-statements or misconceptions and post them to the net. In addition, people often request information which has been posted time and time again. In order to try and cut down on this, the alt.atheism groups have a series of five regular postings under the following titles: 1. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Overview for New Readers 2. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Introduction to Atheism 3. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) 4. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Constructing a Logical Argument 5. Alt.Atheism FAQ: Atheist Resources This is article number 1. Please read numbers 2 and 3 before posting. The others are entirely optional. If you are new to Usenet, you may also find it helpful to read the newsgroup news.announce.newusers. The articles titled ""A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community"", ""Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about Usenet"" and ""Hints on writing style for Usenet"" are particularly relevant. Questions concerning how news works are best asked in news.newusers.questions. If you are unable to find any of the articles listed above, see the ""Finding Stuff"" section below. Credits These files could not have been written without the assistance of the many readers of alt.atheism and alt.atheism.moderated. In particular, I'd like to thank the following people: kck+@cs.cmu.edu (Karl Kluge) perry@dsinc.com (Jim Perry) NETOPRWA@ncsuvm.cc.ncsu.edu (Wayne Aiken) chpetk@gdr.bath.ac.uk (Toby Kelsey) jkp@cs.HUT.FI (Jyrki Kuoppala) geoff.arnold@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold) torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) kmldorf@utdallas.edu (George Kimeldorf) roe2@quads.uchicago.edu (Greg Roelofs) arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) madhaus@netcom.com (Maddi Hausmann) J5J@psuvm.psu.edu (John A. Johnson) dgraham@bmers30.bnr.ca (Douglas Graham) mayne@open.cs.fsu.edu (William Mayne) ajr@bigbird.hri.com (Andy Rosen) stoesser@ira.uka.de (Achim Stoesser) bosullvn@unix1.tcd.ie (Bryan O'Sullivan) lippard@ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard) s1b3832@rigel.tamu.edu (S. Baum) ydobyns@phoenix.princeton.edu (York H. Dobyns) schroede@sdsc.edu (Wayne Schroeder) baldwin@csservera.usna.navy.mil (J.D. Baldwin) D_NIBBY@unhh.unh.edu (Dana Nibby) dempsey@Kodak.COM (Richard C. Dempsey) jmunch@hertz,elee.calpoly.edu (John David Munch) pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Paul Crowley) rz@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Richard Zach) tycchow@math.mit.edu (Tim Chow) simon@dcs.warwick.ac.uk (Simon Clippingdale) ...and countless others I've forgotten. These articles are free. Truly free. You may copy them and distribute them to anyone you wish. However, please send any changes or corrections to the author, and please do not re-post copies of the articles to alt.atheism; it does nobody any good to have multiple versions of the same document floating around the network. Finding Stuff All of the FAQ files *should* be somewhere on your news system. Here are some suggestions on what to do if you can't find them: 1. Check the newsgroup alt.atheism. Look for subject lines starting with ""Alt.Atheism FAQ:"". 2. Check the newsgroup news.answers for the same subject lines. If you don't find anything in steps 1 or 2, your news system isn't set up correctly, and you may wish to tell your system administrator about the problem. 3. If you have anonymous FTP access, connect to rtfm.mit.edu [18.172.1.27]. Go to the directory /pub/usenet/alt.atheism, and you'll find the latest versions of the FAQ files there. FTP is a a way of copying files between networked computers. If you need help in using or getting started with FTP, send e-mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu with send usenet/news.answers/ftp-list/faq in the body. 4. There are other sites which also carry news.answers postings. The article ""Introduction to the news.answers newsgroup"" carries a list of these sites; the article is posted regularly to news.answers. 5. If you don't have FTP, send mail to mail-server@rtfm.mit.edu consisting of the following lines: send usenet/news.answers/finding-sources send usenet/alt.atheism/faq send usenet/alt.atheism/introduction send usenet/alt.atheism/logic send usenet/alt.atheism/resources 5. (Penultimate resort) Send mail to mail-server@mantis.co.uk consisting of the following lines: send atheism/faq/faq.txt send atheism/faq/logic.txt send atheism/faq/intro.txt send atheism/faq/resource.txt and our poor overworked modems will try and send you a copy of the files. There's other stuff, too; interesting commands to try are ""help"" and ""send atheism/index"". 6. (Last resort) Mail mathew@mantis.co.uk, or post an article to the newsgroup asking how you can get the FAQ files. You should only do this if you've tried the above methods and they've failed; it's not nice to clutter the newsgroup or people's mailboxes with requests for files. it's better than posting without reading the FAQ, though! For instance, people whose email addresses get mangled in transit and who don't have FTP will probably need assistance obtaining the FAQ files. ",0 "Hi all! Quick question. Could someone please send me a pinout of the cable that goes between a NeXT cube and the monitor? Also, I am interested in the video signal (sync type, horz/vert rate) so any information on that would be greatly appreciated also.",12 " Never was? Probably. Is not now? Debatable. What other valid test can you think of besides the final standings or divisional playoff winner? What do you propose, a worthless vote like they do in college football? What a joke! If I remember right, Brad Park was also involved in that trade. He wasn't all that bad a hockey player. But let's look at some of Sinden's trades over the years: ??? for Rick Middleton (Rangers). I don't know who Sinden gave up for Middle- ton, so I'll call this one a +. Barry Pederson for Cam Neely (Canucks). +++. Any questions? Greg Hawgood for Vladimir Ruzicka (Oilers). ++. Didja see that one Rosie roofed against Roy in last year's playoffs? Courtnall/Ranford for Andy Moog (Oilers). A wash. Moog is a good goaltender, Ranford burned Boston in the Finals in his first year, and Courtnall always seems to get his points. Anyone in Vancouver care to comment on Courtnall as a defensive liability? Ken Linseman for Dave Poulin (Flyers) ++. Any more questions? Janney/Quintal for Adam Oates (Blues). ++. Janney is an enormous talent and a personable guy, the the Bruins play in Adam's Division. Enough said? So,even if you count the Esposito/Vadnais/Ratelle/Park/I don't remember who else (Joe Zanussi?) trade as a double minus, Harry the Horse trader comes out on top. I submit that the Bruins are always good because of Harry, not in spite of him. BTW, do you really think the Habs will bounce back next season. I'll bet they finish fourth or fifth in the Conference, behind any of the following: Pittsburgh, Quebec, Boston, Washington, Islanders. Someone correct me if these five teams will not be in Montreal's conference. In summary, things look bleak for the Habs, at least in the near future. I suspect that the next team from La Belle Province to win the Cup will be that team that Lindros didn't want to play for. -- Dan Lyddy daniell@cory.berkeley.edu University of California at Berkeley",10 " Digi-Key also sells Quad Line Receivers, parts DS1489AN (68cents) and DS1489N (48cents). A Quad Line Driver, part DS1488 (48cents), is also sold. I guess if you don't won't to supply +12V, the chips with the pump-up circuitry might be worth the extra cost. But 1488's and 1489's are available at your friendly neighborhood RS, parts MC1488 (276-2520) for $1.29 and MC1489 (276-2521) for $1.29.",12 """Jack Previdi"" writes, in reply to Dorothy Heydt reminding us that advertising is not done on Internet: As a matter of fact D.J., it does make a difference. Almost a half million new users joined the Internet last year, many of them are commercial businesses. The ban on commercial use of Internet is no more. Jack, there is a difference between using the network for commercial purposes and advertising in newsgroups. Business communication is okay. Advertising to hundreds of thousands of users around the planet who have no desire to receive advertising is not okay. Those of us who pay for Internet access are constrained only by our innate good taste and no have no ""administrator"" to guide(?) us. I suspect that a site which generated a large volume of material not in anybody's good taste would find itself getting a lot of attention it didn't want. You may belong to the public library, but that doesn't mean you can deface the books, disorder the stacks, or disturb the other patrons. You're constrained by the same rules that the rest of the users (many academic and military, who get irritable about a network for which they pay with tax and grant money carrying private business advertising) follow. There are Secret Masters here, just like everywhere else. They're not as obvious as the ones on Prodigy, but they're here. No doubt at some point the Internet, like everything else, will become grotty enough to carry advertising. At that time I hope it is confined to its own newsgroups and not on discussion groups---like misc.writing. ",6 "From article , by Steve Frampton : Yes! In the usual ftp sites.",2 "I have an HP 1815 TDR plug-in for an HP180 series scope or mainframe that I'm never going to use (no scope any more). If you're interested in it, please let me know. Price? Probably real cheap. This notice may have appeared once before. I posted, and it never showed up on our local server... -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******",12 "Anybody know of an IGES Viewer for DOS/Windows? I need to be able to display ComputerVision IGES files on a PC running Windows 3.1. Thanks in advance.",1 " The key word is `spilled'. If semen was spilled anywhere where there was a chance of procreation it was OK. If it was spilt on the ground or in to a man it was a big sin, ditto with animals. The jews said sex=pro- creation. Homosexuals didn't breed, there fore they are evil and should be stoned to death. Stoning non-breeding population was fine. Only the breeders were considered to be worth much. Xavier",18 " Could someone please send me the postal and email address of Congruent Corporation (and any competitors they may have). Thank you. -- snail@lsl.co.uk ",5 "Here is the Colorado Rockies openning day cast: Pitchers -------- Scott Aldred (L) MLB Totals 31 games, 6-14, 5.08 ERA, 0 saves Andy Ashby (R) 18 games, 2-8, 6.72 ERA, 0 saves Willie Blair (R) 67 games, 10-15,4.57 ERA, 0 saves Butch Henry (L) 28 games, 6-9, 4.02 ERA, 0 saves Darren Holmes (R) 95 games, 5-9, 4.10 ERA, 9 saves David Neid (R) 6 games, 3-0, 1.17 ERA, 0 saves Jeff Parrett (R) 341 games, 46-30,3.65 ERA,21 saves Steve Reed (R) 18 games, 1-0, 2.30 ERA, 0 saves Bruce Ruffin (L) 223 games, 43-64,4.31 ERA, 3 saves Bryn Smith (R) 354 games,106-90,3.44 ERA, 6 saves Gary Wayne (L) 147 games, 8-8, 3.44 ERA, 3 saves The rest",9 "Is that the low-end configuration? If it is, it has the 68LC040 (no FPU), as opposed to all the other configurations with a 68RC040 (has an FPU). Be sure you know what you are getting before you buy!!! The 68RC040 is around $350-$400 right now, if you intend to upgrade it from a 68LC040.",4 "I am currently using POVRay on Mac and was wondering if anyone in netland knows of public domain anti-aliasing utilities so that I can skip this step in POV, very slow on this machine. Any suggestions, opinions about post-trace anti-aliasing would be greatly appreciated.",1 " An open letter to Marc Afifi Dear Marc, I believe that you are wrong about Mr. Freeman. He has written in a style that raises the level of posts on this board. If you just don't seem to get it, I believe that it is more of a reflection of you and your abilities than of him. His posts contain substance and and he defends his positions well. Having said this, I would like to ask in general for people on this board to realize that if they don't agree with the substance of posts, then they should respond to the substance (or lack of) of the posts rather than attack the author of the posts. When one has to resort to attacking a poster rather than what he/she has written, one can see that that person does not have the ability to make a coherent argument concerning the post. Peace, ",17 "The subject line says it all -- I'm trying to locate a copy of SPI's board game ""War of the Ring."" Anyone have a copy with which they are willing to part? Thanks a million ...",6 " Not recommended. Your circuit would take too much current, when telephone is on-hook. Telephone company does not like it. ",12 "For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."" ",15 " I have the same problem and was about to post this.... Hello duo owners (and Apple technical people :-) I have a new duo 230 which appears to have a problem waking up from sleep when running on battery power. When woken (usually for the second time) after sleeping, the wake fails and the screen appears with a corrupted image of broken horizontal lines and control can only be recovered with control-command-poweron or the reset key at the back of the machine. The problem occurs even when the system is stock standard (no extensions, no virtual memory, a fully charged new battery, system 7.1 etc). I have not had the problem when the machine is plugged in to AC. I've checked that the battery is properly seated (it appears to be fine). What's going on here ? Anyone else had this problem ? Is it software or hardware ? If you have a duo 230 and a bit of time, try repeatedly sleeping and waking the machine on battery power and let me know if you see the same behaviour (and let Apple know too !). Many thanks to anyone who can clear this one up for me. Bruce ",4 "I have seen several ray-traced scenes (from MTV or was it RayShade??) with stroked fonts appearing as objects in the image. The fonts/chars had color, depth and even textures associated with them. Now I was wondering, is it possible to do the same in POV?? Thanks,",1 "What files do I need to download for GhostScript 2.5.2? I have never used GhostScript before, so I don't have any files for it. What I *do* have is gs252win.zip, which I downloaded from Cica. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work on it's own, but needs some more files that I don't have. I want to run GhostScript both in Windows 3.1 and in MS-DOS on a 386 PC (I understand there's versions for both environments). What are all the files I need to download and where can I get them? Any info would be appeciated. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve W Brewer rewerB W evetS cl238405@ulkyvx.louisville.edu ude.ellivsiuol.xvyklu@504832lc",2 "An review of both the Mac and Windows versions in either PC Week or Info World this week, said that the Windows version was considerably slower than the Mac. A more useful comparison would have been between PhotoStyler and PhotoShop for Windows. David ",1 " Short of changes by the feds, there is no way. Codeine alone is very difficult to prescribe without a lot of hassles. Tylenol #3 is the best compromise. That way he can get refills. The amount of acetominophen he is getting with his codeine won't hurt him any. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 " As I heard the story, before Albert came up the the theory o'relativity and warped space, nobody could account for Mercury's orbit. It ran a little fast (I think) for simple Newtonian physics. With the success in finding Neptune to explain the odd movments of Uranus, it was postulated that there might be another inner planet to explain Mercury's orbit. It's unlikely anything bigger than an asteroid is closer to the sun than Mercury. I'm sure we would have spotted it by now. Perhaps some professionals can confirm that. ",14 " Linares has not defected; as I pointed out, MLB requires that the player defect first. What a surprise. As long as the pool of talent is not accessible to all teams, MLB won't let a few teams sign it. Seems perfectly reasonable to me. Except that MLB won't allow it, which is all I ever said.",10 "Hi Christian friends, My name is Joel, I have a sister who's 25th birthday is tomorrow.....She used to be on fire for the Lord, but somehow, for some reason, she became cold....she don't want to associate anymore with her old christian friends.........so I thought maybe some of you could help her out again by sending her a postcard or card with a little message of encouragement.....hand written is okay....her address is 3150 Hobart Ave. San Jose Ca. 95127........... Thank you and God Bless. PS: Jesus Christ is LORD!!!!!!!! ",15 "Hi, I found what I believe is an undocumented feature in my windows directory, Microsoft Diagnostics, ver 2.00. I am specifically interested in a more in depth explanation of the legends in the memory mapping report. Thanks.",2 " Let's see, if Alexander destroyed Tyre, and people move back, and they construct houses, and after a while 14000 people live there and still call it Tyre, it is not considered to be rebuilt. Instead it's considered to be 'just-some-people-that-got-together-for-fishing- and-they-needed-houses' place. Sigh, I was never born in a city then (my home town has 10.000 people). I have to consult my city and inform them that it's from now a fishing village. When this city (Kristinestad) was founded in the 17:th century about 1000 people lived there, so the norms were even more bizarre for dumb Swedish queens who founded cities along the coast of Finland. I would like to know why Paul thought is was worth mentioning the small fishing place of Tyre in Acts. Again, maybe he was a keen fisherman and wanted to visit the shores of Tyre? :-) Cheers, Kent",19 "[Note, Ohio legislation unlike Federal legislation, shows the entire law as it would be changed by the legislation. These parts are in ALL CAPITALS, the rest (i.e., current law is in regular type)]. AS INTRODUCED 120TH GENERAL ASEMBLY REGULAR SESSION H. B. NO. 278 1993-1994 REPRESENATIVE BEATTY A BILL To amend sections2923.11, 2923.17,and 2923.20 and to enact section 2923.181 of the Revised Code to expand the defintion of dangerous ordnance to include military weapons that do not use bolt action, to increase the penalty for a violation of the prohibition against possession of dangerous ordnance, to prohibit any person from acquiring a military weapon on or after the act's effective date, to require the licensure of military weapons acquired for aproper purpose prior to the act's effective dte, to prohibit a person from importing, manufacturing, or selling a military weapon, and to declare an emergency. BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF OHIO: Section 1. That sections 2923.11, 2923.17 and 2923.20 be amended and section 2923.181 of the Revised Code be enacted to read as follows: Sec. 2923.11. As used in section 2923.11 to 2923.24 of the Revised Code: (A) ""deadly weapon"" means any instrument, device, or thing capable of inflicting death, and designed or specially adapted for use as a weapon, or possessed, carried, or used as a weapon. (B)(1) ""firearm"" means any deadly weapon capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant. ""firarms"" includes an unloaded firearm, and any firearm which is inoperable but which can readily be rendered operable. (2) When determining whether a firearm is capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant, the trier of fact may rely upon circumstancial evidence, including, but not limited to, the representations and actions of the individual exercising control over the firearm. (C) ""Handgun"" means any firearm designed to be fired while held in one hand. (D) ""Semi-automatic firearm"" means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a single cartridge and automatically chamber a suceeding cartridge ready to fire, with a single function of the trigger. (E) ""Automatic firearm"" means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. ""Automatic firearm"" also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges. (F) ""Sawed-off firearm"" means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall. (G) ""Zip-gun"" means any of the following: (1) Any firearm of crude and extemporized manufacture; (2) Any device, including without limitation a starter's pistol, not designed as a firearm, but which is specially adapted for use as a firearm; (3) Any industrial tool, signalling device, or safety device, not designed as a firearm, but which as designed is capable of use as such A FIREARM, when possessed, carried, or used as a firearm. (H) ""Explosive device"" means any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of an explosion, and consisting of an explosive substance or agency and a means to detonate it. ""Explosive device"" includes without limitation any bomb, any explosive demolition device, any blasting cap or detonator containing an explosive charge, and any pressure vessel which has been knowingly tampered with or arranged so as to explode. (I) ""Incendiary device"" means any firebomb, and any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of fire, and consisting of an incendiary substance or agency and a means to ignite it. (J) ""Ballistic knife"" means a knife with a detachable blade that is propelled by a spring-operated mechanism. (K) ""Dangerous ordinance"" means any of the following, except as provided in division (L) of this section: (1) Any automatic or sawed-off firearms. zip-gun, or ballistic knife; (2) Any explosive device or incendiary device; (3) Nitroglycerin, nitrocellulose, nitrostarch, PETN, cyclonite, TNT, picric acid, and other high explosives; amatol, tritonal, tetrytol, pentolite, pecretol, cyclotol, and other high explosive compositions; plastic explosives; dynamite, blasting gelatin, gelatin dynamite, sensitized ammonium nitrate, liquid- oxygen blasting explosives, blasting powder, and other blasting agents; and any other explosive substance having sufficient brisance or power to be particularly suitable for use as a military explosive, or for use in mining, quarrying, excavating, or demolitions; (4) Any firearm, rocket launcher, mortar, artillery piece grenade, mine, bomb, torpedo, or similar weapon, designed and manufactured for military purposes, and the ammunition for that weapon; (5) Any firearm muffler or silencer; (6) ANY MILITARY WEAPON; (7) ANY DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, MAGAZINE, DRUM, BELT, FEED STRIP, OR SIMILAR DEVICE THAT HAS A CAPACITY OF, OR THAT READILY CAN BE RESTORED OR CONVERTED TO ACCEPT, MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION; (8) Any combination of parts that is intended by the owner for use in converting any firearm or other device into a dangerous ordinance. (L) ""Dangerous ordnance"" does not include any of the following: (1) Any firearm, including a military weapon and the ammunition for that weapon, and regardless of its actual age, which employs a percussion cap or other obsolete ignition system or which is designed and safe for use only with black powder, and (2) Any pistol, rifle, or shotgun, designed or suitable for sporting purposes, UNLESS THE FIREARM IS EITHER OF THE FOLLOWING; (a) A military weapon as issued or as modified, and the ammunition for that weapon; (b) AN automatic or sawed-off firearm. (3) Any cannon or other artilery piece which, regardless of its actual age, is of a type in accepted use prior to 1887, has no mechanical, hydraulic, pneumatic, or other system for absorbing recoil and returning the tube into battery without displacing the carriage, and is designed and safe for use only with black powder; (4) Black powder, priming quills, and percussion caps possessed and lawfully used to fire a cannon of a type defined in division (L) (3) of this section during displays, celebrations, organized matches or shoots, and target practice, and smokeless and black powder, primers, and percussion caps possed and lawfully used as a propellant or ignition device in small-arms or small-arms ammunition; (5) Dangerous ordinance which is inoperable or inert and cannot readily be rendered operable or activated, and which is kept as a trophy, souvenir, curio, or museum piece. (6) Any device which is expressly excepted from the definition of a destructive device pursuant to the ""Gun Control Act of 1968,"" 82 Stat. 1213, 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(4), as amended, and regulations issued under that act. (M) ""MILITARY WEAPON' MEANS ANY OF THE FOLLOWING; (1) ANY FIREARM THAT ORIGINALLY WAS MANUFACTURED FOR MILITARY USE, OR A COPY OF ANY SUCH FIREARM, IF THE FIREARM IS NOT A BOLT ACTION FIREARM; (2) ANY MODEL OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A RIFLE OR ANY MODEL OF ANY COPY OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A RIFLE; (a) ARMALITE AR-180; (b) AUTO-ORDNANCE THOMPSON MODELS 1927A1 AND M-1; (c) AVTOMAT KALASHNIKOV; (d) POLY TECH AK-47S; (e) CHINA SPORTS AK-47 BULLPUP; (f) MITCHELL AK-47 AND M-76 (g) BARRETT LIGHT-FIFTY MODEL 82A1; (h) BARETTA AR-70; (i) BUSHMASTER AUTO RIFLE; (j) CALICO M900 AND M-100 (k) COLT AR-15 (l) COMMANDO ARMS CARBINE, MARK 111, MARK 45, AND MARK 9; (m) UNIVERSAL 5000 CARBINE, ENFORCER; (n) AMERICAN ARMS ARM-1 AND AKY 39; (o) DAEWOO MAX-1 AND MAX-2; (p) FABRIQUE NATIONALE FN/FAL, FN/LAR. AND FN/FNC; (q) FAMAS MAS 223; (r) FEATHER AT-9; (s) FEDERAL KC-900 AND XC-450 (t) GALIL AR AND ARM; (u) GONCZ HIGH-TECH CARBINE; (v) HECKLER AND KOCH HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, AND PSG-1; (w) MANDALL TAC-1 CARBINE (x) RUGER MINI 14/SF FOLDING STOCK MODEL; (y) SIG 57 AMT AND 500 SERIES; (z) SPRINGFIELD ARMORY SAR-48, G-3, BM-59 ALPINE, AND M1A CARBINE; (aa) STERLING MK-6 AND MARK 7; (bb) STEYR AUG; (cc) UZI CARBINE AND MINI-CARBINE; (dd) VALMET M-62S, M-76, M-78, AND M82 BULLPUP CARBINE; (ee) WEAVER ARMS NIGHTHAWK; (ff) MILITARY M14 AND MILITARY M1 CARBINE .30; (gg) SPRINGFIELD ARMORY M1A ASSAULT; (hh) THOMPSON 27A-5 WITH DRUM MAGAZINE; (ii) PLAINFIELD COMMANDO UNIVERSE 5000 CARBINE; (jj) COBRAY M-11 WITH OR WITHOUT SILENCER; (kk) SPECTRE AUTO CARBINE; (ll) SWD COBRAY; (mm) ARMI JAGER AP-74 AND AP-74 COMMANDO; (nn) ARMSCORP OF AMERICA ISRAELI FN-FAL; (oo) CLAYCO SKS CARBINE; (pp) DRAGUNOV SNIPER; (qq) EMF AP-74; (rr) IVER JOHNSON PM30 P PARATROOPER; (ss) NORINCO SKS; (tt) PARTISAN AVENGER; (uu) SIGARMS SG 550 SP AND SG 551 SP; (vv) SQUIRES BINGHAM M 16; (ww) WILKINSON ""TERRY"" CARBINE. (3) ANY MODEL OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A PISTOL OR ANY MODEL OF ANY COPY OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A PISTOL: (a) BUSHMASTER AUTO PISTOL; (b) CALICO 100-P AUTO PISTOL; (c) EBCIN NJ-IV, MP-9, AND MP-45; (d) FEATHER MINI-AT; (e) GONCZ HIGH TECH PISTOL' (f) HOLMES MP-83 AND MP-22; (g) INTRATEC TEC-9 AND SCORPION .22; (h) IVER JOHNSON ENFORCER; (i) INGRAM MAC-10 AND MAC-11; (j) MITCHELL ARMS SPECTRE AUTO; (k) SCARAB SKORPION; (l) STERLING MK-7; (m) UZI PISTOL; (n) UNIVERSAL ENFORCER; (o) WILKINSON ""LINDA"" AUTO PISTOL. (4) ANY MODEL OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A SHOTGUN OR ANY MODEL OF ANY COPY OF ANY OF THE FOLLOWING FIREARMS THAT IS A SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIREARM AND IS A SHOTGUN: (a) FRANCHI SPAS-12 AND LAW-12; (b) STRIKER 12 AND STREET SWEEPER; (c) BENELLI M1 SUPER 90; (d) MOSSBERG 500 BULLPUP; (e) USAS-12 AUTO SHOTGUN. Sec. 2923.17. (A)(1) No person shall knowingly acquire, have, OR carry any dangerous ordnance. (2) NO PERSON SHALL KNOWINGLY USE ANY DANGEROUS ORDNANCE. (B) This section does not apply to ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: (1) Officers, agents, or employees of this or any other state or the United States, members of the armed forces of the United States or the organized militia of this or any other state, and law enforcement officers, to the extent that any such person is authorized to acquire, have, carry, or use dangerous ordnance and is acting within the scope of his duties; (2) Importers, manufacturers, dealers, and users of explosives, having a license or user permit issued and in effect pursuant to the ""Organized Crime Control Act of 1970,"" 84 Stat. 952, 18 U.S.C. 843, and any amendments or additions TO or reenactments OF THAT ACT, with respect to explosives and explosive devices lawfully acquired, possessed, carried, or used under the laws of this state and applicable federal law; (3) Importers, manufactuers, and dealers having a license to deal in destructive devices or their ammunition, issued and in effect pursuant to the ""Gun Control Act of 1968,"" 82 Stat. 1213. 18 U.S.C. 923 and any amendments or additions TO or reenactments OF THAT ACT, with respect to dangerous ordnance lawfully acquired, possessed, carried, or used under the laws of this state and applicable federal law; (4) Persons to whom surplus ordnance has been sold, loaned, or given by the secretary of the army pursuant to 70A Stat. 62 and 263, 10 U.S.C. 4684, 4685, 4686, and any amendments or additions TO or reenactments OF THAT ACT, with respect to dangerous ordnance when lawfully possessed and used for the purpose specified in THAT section; (5) Owners of dangerous ordnance registered in the national firearms registration and transfer record pursuant to the act of October 22, 1968, 82 Stat.1229, 26 U.S.C. 5841, and any amendments or additions TO or reenactments OF, and regulations issued UNDER THE ACT. (6) Carriers, warehousemen, and others engaged in the business of transporting or storing goods for hire, with respect to dangerous ordnance lawfully transported or stored in the usual course of their business and in compliance with the laws of this state and applicable federal law; (7) The holders of a license or temporary permit issued and in effect pursuant to section 2923.18 of the Revised Code, with respect to dangerous ordnance lawfully acquired, possessed, carried, or used for the purposes and in the manner specified in THE license or permit. (C) DIVISION (A)(1) OF THIS SECTION DOES NOT APPLY TO THE ACQUISITION, HAVING, OR CARRYING OF DANGEROUS ORDNANCE THAT IS A MILITARY WEAPON IF BOTH OF THE FOLLOWING APPLY: (1) THE PERSON WHO ACQUIRES, HAS, OR CARRIES THE DANGEROUS ORDNANCE IN QUESTION ACQUIRED IT BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS AMENDMENT AS A COLLECTOR'S ITEM OR FOR A LEGITIMATE RESEARCH, SCIENTIFIC, EDUCATIONAL, INDUSTRIAL, OR OTHER PROPER PURPOSE; (2) NO LATER THAN THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON THE SEVENTH DAY AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS AMENDMENT, THE PERSON WHO ACQUIRED THE DANGEROUS ORDNANCE IN QUESTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH DIVISION (C)(1) OF THIS SECTION SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION PURSUANT TO SECTION 2923.181 OF THE REVISED CODE FOR A LICENSE TO HAVE AND CARRY IT AND THE APPLICATION HAS NOT BEEN DENIED OR A VALID LICENSE HAS BEEN ISSUED TO THE PERSON. (D) DIVISIONS (A)(1) AND (2) OF THIS SECTION DO NOT APPLY TO THE ACQUISITION, HAVING, CARRYING, OR USING OF ANY DANGEROUS ORDNANCE DESCRIBED IN DIVISION (k)(7) OF SECTION 2923.11 OF THE REVISED CODE THAT WAS ACQUIRED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS AMENDMENT. (E) Whoever violates this section is quilty of unlawful possession of dangerous ordnance, a AN AGGRAVATED felony of the FIRST degree. Sec. 2923.181. (A) ANY PERSON WHO ACQUIRED A MILITARY WEAPON BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SECTION SHALL FILE A WRITTEN APPLICATION FOR A LICENSE TO HAVE AND CARRY THE MILITARY WEAPON WITH THE SHERIFF OF THE COUNTY OR SAFETY DIRECTOR OR POLICE CHIEF OF THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION WHERE THE APPLICANT RESIDES OR HAS HIS PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS. THE APPLICATION SHALL BE FILED NO LATER THAN THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON THE SEVENTH DAY AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS SECTION AND SHALL BE ACCOMPANIED BY A FILING FEE OF FIFTY DOLLARS. THE PERSON SHALL FILE A SEPARATE APPLICATION AND PAY A SEPARATE FILING FEE FOR EACH MILITARY WEAPON THAT HE HAS OR INTENDS TO CARRY. THE APPLICATION SHALL CONTAIN ALL OF THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION: (1) THE NAME, AGE, ADDRESS, OCCUPATION, AND BUSINESS ADDRESS OF THE APPLICANT, IF THE APPLICANT IS A NATURAL PERSON, OR THE NAME, ADDRESS, AND PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS OF THE APPLICANT, IF THE APPLICANT IS A CORPORATION; (2) A DESCRIPTION OF THE MILITARY WEAPON FOR WHICH A LICENSE IS REQUESTED, INCLUDING THE SERIAL NUMBER AND ALL IDENTIFICATION MARKS; (3) A STATEMENT OF THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH THE MILITARY WEAPON WAS ACQUIRED AND FOR WHICH IT IS TO BE POSSESSED, CARRIED, OR USED; (4) ANY OTHER INFORMATION THAT THE ISSUING AUTHORITY MAY REQUIRE IN GIVING EFFECT TO THIS SECTION; (5) THE OATH OF THE APPLICANT THAT THE INFORMATION ON THE APPLICATION IS TRUE. (B)(1) NO LATER THAN THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS ON THE FOURTEENTH DAY AFTER AN APPLICATION FOR A LICENSE TO HAVE AND CARRY A MILITARY WEAPON HAS BEEN FILED UNDER DIVISION (A) OF THIS SECTION, THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL EITHER APPROVE THE APPLICATION AND ISSUE A LICENSE TO THE APPLICANT OR DENY THE APPLICATION AND SEND A LETTER OF DENIAL BY ORDINARY MAIL TO THE APPLICANT. AFTER CONDUCTING ANY NECESSARY INVESTIGATION, THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL ISSUE A LICENSE TO AN APPLICANT WHOM IT DETERMINES SATISFIES THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: (a) THE APPLICANT IS TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER, IF THE APPLICANT IS A NATURAL PERSON; (b) IT APPEARS THAT THE APPLICANT WILL POSSESS AND CARRY THE MILITARY WEAPON AS A COLLECTOR'S ITEM OR FOR A LEGITIMATE, SCIENTIFIC, EDUCATIONAL, INDUSTRIAL, OR OTHER PROPER PURPOSE; (c) IT APPEARS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUFFICIENT COMPETENCE TO HAVE AND CARRY THE MILITARY WEAPON AND THAT PROPER PRECAUTIONS WILL BE TAKEN TO ENSURE THE SECURITY OF THE MILITARY WEAPON AND THE SAFETY OF PERSONS AND PROPERTY; (d) THE APPLICANT OTHERSWISE IS NOT PROHIBITED BY LAW FROM HAVING OR CARRYING DANGEROUS ORDNANCE. (2) A LICENSE ISSUED PURSUANT TO DIVISION (B)(1) OF THIS SECTION SHALL BE VALID FOR ONE YEAR AFTER THE DATE OF ITS ISSUANCE. THE LICENSE SHALL BE RENEWED PURSUANT TO DIVISION (C) OF THIS SECTION. (C)(1) EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN DIVISION (C)(3) OF THIS SECTION, ANY PERSON WHO IS ISSUED A LICENSE UNDER DIVISION (B)(1) OF THIS SECTION SHALL RENEW THE LICENSE BY FILING AN APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL BY REGULAR MAIL WITH THE SHERIFF OF THE COUNTY OR THE SAFETY DIRECTOR OR POLICE CHIEF OF THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION WHO WAS THE ISSUING AUTHORITY OF THE LICENSE. AN APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL SHALL BE FILED ANNUALLY NO LATER THAN ONE YEAR AFTER THE DATE ON WHICH THE LICENSE WAS ISSUED OR LAST RENEWED. (2) EACH SHERIFF AND EACH SAFETY DIRECTOR AND PEACE OFFICER OF A MUNICIPAL CORPORATION SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE APPLICATIONS FOR THE RENEWAL OF A LICENSE ISSUED UNDER DIVISION (B)(1) OF THIS SECTION. IN THE APPLICATION THE APPLICANT, UNDER OATH, SHALL UPDATE THE INFORMATION SUBMITTED IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION FOR A LICENSE OR THE RENEWAL OF A LICENSE. THE APPLICATION FOR THE RENEWAL OF A LICENSE SHALL BE ACCOMPANIED BY A FEE OF FIVE DOLLARS. THE APPLICANT SHALL FILE A SEPERATE APPLICATION FOR RENEWAL AND PAY A SEPERATE RENEWAL FEE FOR EACH MILITARY WEAPON THAT HE INTENDS TO CONTINUE TO HAVE AND CARRY. (3) A PERSON WHO HAS CHANGED HIS RESIDENCE OR PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS TO A LOCATION OUTSIDE OF THE JURISDICTION OF THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SUBSEQUENT TO THE ISSUANCE OR RENEWAL OF A LICENSE UNDER THIS SECTION SHALL RENEW HIS LICENSE BY FILING AN APPLICATION IN THE MANNER PRESCRIBED BY DIVISION (A) OF THIS SECTION WITH THE SHERIFF OF THE COUNTY OR THE SAFETY DIRECTOR OR POLICE CHIEF OF THE MUNICIPAL CORPORATION WHERE HE THEN RESIDES OR HAS HIS PRINCIPAL PLACE OF BUSINESS. WHEN MAKING AN APPLICATION TO RENEW A LICENSE AFTER A CHANGE IN RESIDENCE OR PLACE OF BUSINESS, THE APPLICANT SHALL GIVE NOTICE OF THE CHANGE OF ADDRESS BY REGULAR MAIL TO THE ORIGINAL ISSUING AUTHORITY FOR THE LICENSE AND THE STATE FIRE MARSHALL ON NOTIFICATION FORMS PRESCRIBED BY THE SHERIFF, SAFETY DIRECTOR, OR POLICE CHIEF FROM WHOM HE SEEKS RENEWAL. (D) A LICENSE TO HAVE AND CARRY A MILITARY WEAPON SHALL IDENTIFY THE PERSON TO WHOM IT IS ISSUED, IDENTIFY THE MILITARY WEAPON FOR WHICH IT IS ISSUED, STATE THE PURPOSE IDENTIFIED IN DIVISION (B)(1)(b) OF THIS SECTION FOR WHICH THE MILITARY WEAPON WILL BE POSSESSED AND CARRIED, STATE ITS EXPIRATION DATE, AND LIST ALL RESTRICTIONS ON THE HAVING OR CARRYING OF THE MILITARY WEAPON AS PRESCRIBED BY THE LAWS OF THIS STATE AND APPLICABLE FEDERAL LAW. (E) ANY PERSON WHO IS ISSUED A LICENSE TO HAVE AND CARRY A MILITARY WEAPON UNDER THIS SECTION AND WHO CHANGES HIS ADDRESS SHALL NOTIFY THE ISSUING AUTHORITY OF THE CHANGE OF HIS ADDRESS NO LATER THAN NINETY DAYS AFTER THE CHANGE HAS OCCURRED. (F) THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL FORWARD TO THE STATE FIRE MARSHALL A COPY OF EACH LICENSE ISSUED OR RENEWED UNDER THIS SECTION. THE STATE FIRE MARSHALL SHALL KEEP A PERMANENT FILE OF ALL LICENSES ISSUED OR RENEWED UNDER THIS SECTION. (G) THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL CAUSE EACH APPLICATION FEE OF FIFTY DOLLARS, FILED UNDER DIVISION (A) OF THIS SECTION, TO BE DEPOSITED IN THE GENERAL FUND OF THE COUNTY OR MUNCIPAL CORPORATION SERVED BY THE ISSUING AUTHORITY. THE ISSUING AUTHORITY SHALL CAUSE TWO DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS OF EACH RENEWAL FEE, FILED UNDER DIVISION (C) OF THIS SECTION, TO BE DEPOSITED IN THE GENERAL FUND OF THE COUNTY OR MUNICIPAL CORPORATION SERVED BY THE ISSUING AUTHORITY AND SHALL SEND TWO DOLLARS AND FIFTY CENTS OF EACH RENEWAL FEE TO THE TREASURER OF STATE FOR DEPOSIT IN THE STATE TREASURY TO THE CREDIT OF THE GENERAL REVENUE FUND. (H) WHOEVER VIOLATES DIVISION (A) OF THIS SECTION IS GUILTY OF FAILING TO APPLY FOR THE LICENSURE OF A MILITARY WEAPON, A FELONY OF THE FOURTH DEGREE. WHOEVER VIOLATES DIVISION (C) OF THIS SECTION IS GUILTY OF FAILING TO APPLY FOR RENEWAL OF A LICENSE FOR A MILITARY WEAPON, A MISDEMEANOR OF THE FIRST DEGREE. (I) A MILITARY WEAPON THAT IS NOT LICENSED AS REQUIRED BY THIS SECTION IS CONTRABAND, AS DEFINED IN SECTION 2901.01 OF THE REVISED CODE AND IS SUBJECT TO FORFEITURE UNDER SECTION 2933.43 OF THE REVISED CODE. SEC. 2933.20. (A) No person shall DO ANY OF THE FOLLOWING: (1) IMPORT, MANUFACTURE, POSSESS FOR SALE, SELL, OR FURNISH TO ANY PERSON ANY MILITARY WEAPON; (2) Recklessly sell, lend, give, or furnish any firearm to any person prohibited by section 2923.13 or 2923.15 of the Revised Code from acquiring or using any firearm, or recklessly sell, lend, give, or furnish any dangerous ordnance to any person prohibited by section 2923.13, 2923.15, or 2923.17 of the Revised Code from acquiring or using any dangerous ordnance; (3) Possess any firearm or dangerous ordnance with purpose to dispose of it in violation of division (A) of this section; (4) Manufacture, possess for sale, sell, or furnish to any person other than a law enforcement agency for authorized use in police work, any brass knuckles, cestus, billy, blackjack, sandbag, switchblade knife, springblade knife, gravity knife, or similar weapon; (5) When transferring any dangerous ordnance to another, negligently fail to require the transferes to exhibit ANY identification, license, or permit showing him to be authorized to acquire dangerous ordnance pursuant to section 2923.17 of the Revised Code, or negligently fail to take a complete record of the transaction and forthwith forward a copy of THE record to the sheriff of the county or safety director or police chief of the municipality where the transaction takes place; (6) Knowingly fail to report to law enforcement authorities forthwith the loss or theft of any firearm or dangerous ordnance in such person's possession or under his control. (b) Whoever violates this section is quilty of unlawful transactions in weapons. Violation of division (A)(1) OF THIS SECTION IS AN AGGRAVATED FELONY OF THE FIRST DEGREE. VIOLATION OF DIVISION (A)(2) OR (3) Oof this section is a felony of the third degree. Violation of division (A) (4) OR (5) of this section is a misdemeanor of the second degree. Violation of division (6) of this section is a midemeanor of the fourth degree. Section 2. That existing section 2923.11, 2923.17 and 2923.20 of the Revised Code are hereby repealed. Section 3. This act is hereby declared to be an emergency measure necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health, and safety. The reason for this necessity is that with immediate action, this act will prohibit the continued purchase, possession, and use of military weapons and as a result will ameliorate a substantial threat of death and injury to the public caused by the misuse of improper use of these weapons. Therefore, this act shall go into immediate effect.",16 " A human has greater control over his/her actions, than a predominately instictive tiger. A proper analogy would be: If you are thrown into a cage with a person and get mauled, do you blame that person? Yes. [ providing that that person was in a responsible frame of mind, eg not clinicaly insane, on PCB's, etc. ] --- ""One thing that relates is among Navy men that get tatoos that say ""Mom"", because of the love of their mom. It makes for more virile men."" Bobby Mozumder ( snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu ) April 4, 1993",0 " I like my power windows. I think they're worth it. However, cruise control is a pretty dumb option. What's the point? If you're on a long trip, you floor the gas and keep your eyes on the rear-view mirror for cops, right? Power seats are pretty dumb too, unless you're unlucky enough to have to share your car. Otherwise, you'd just adjust it once and just leave it like that. ",7 "I posted this over in sci.astro, but it didn't make it here. Thought you all would like my wonderful pithy commentary :-) What? You guys have never seen the Goodyear blimp polluting the daytime and nightime skies? Actually an oribital sign would only be visible near sunset and sunrise, I believe. So pollution at night would be minimal. If it pays for space travel, go for it. Those who don't like spatial billboards can then head for the pristine environment of Jupiter's moons :-) ",14 " Flights of fancy, and other irrational approaches, are common. The crucial thing is not to sit around just having fantasies; they aren't of any use unless they make you do some experiments. I've known a lot of scientists whose fantasies lead them on to creative work; usually they won't admit out loud what the fantasy was, prior to the consumption of a few beers. (Simple example: Warren Jelinek noticed an extremely heavy band on a DNA electrophoresis gel of human ALU fragments. He got very excited, hoping that he'd seen some essential part of the control mechanism for eukaryotic genes. This fantasy led him to sequence samples of the band and carry out binding assays. The result was a well-conserved, 400 or so bp, sequence that occurs about 500,000 times in the human genome. Unfortunately for Warren's fantasy, it turns out to be a transposon that is present in so many copies because it replicates itself and copies itself back into the genome. On the other hand, the characteristics of transposons were much elucidated; the necessity of a cellular reverse transcriptase was recognized; and the standard method of recognizing human DNA was created. Other species have different sets of transposons. Fortunately for me, Warren and I used to eat dinner at T.G.I. Fridays all the time.) I'm not sure that it's random. But there is no known rational mechanism for generating a rich set of interesting hypotheses. If you are really working in an unknown area, it is unlikely that you will have much sense of what might or might not be true; under those circumstances, the best thing to do is just follow whatever instincts you have. If they are wrong, you will find out soon enough; but at least, you will find out _something_. If you try to do experiments at random, with no prior conceptions at all in mind, you will probably get nowhere. Unfortunately, the critical function does sometimes become hostage to non-rational forces. Then we get varieties of pathological science: Lysenko, Mirsky's opposition to DNA-as-gene, cold fusion, and so forth. I don't agree that this follows. In fact, this is _exactly_ the point at which I disagree with Feyerabend. It is a most important part of the culture of science that one keeps one's jealousies out of the refereeing process. Failures there are aplenty, but, on the whole, things work out. Another point: there are a couple of senses of the phrase ``experimental design''. I'd say that the less rational part is in experimental _choice_, not design. Alexander Fleming (Proc. Royal Soc., 1922) chose to look for bacteriophage in his own mucus for strange reasons (Phage had previously been found in locust diarrhea; Fleming probably thought runny bottom, runny nose, what the hell, it's worth a try.) but his method of looking for phage was well-designed to detect anything phage-like; in fact, he found lysozyme. It is not clear to me what you mean by rational vs. irrational. Perhaps you can give a few examples of surprising experiments that were tried out for perfectly rational reasons, or interesting new theories that were first advanced from logical grounds. The main examples I can think of are from modern high-energy physics which is not typical of science as a whole.",13 "Th following cd's are for sale. Each cd cost 10$ except otherwise indicated which includes shipping and handling. Achtung baby U2 * Joshua tree U2 ** The immaculate collection Madonna ** $12 Love hurts Cher * Garth brooks Garth brooks * Red hot ..chilli peppers.. ** OOOOOHHHHH TLC ** Light and shadows wilson ** * Used only once. ** never used, most of them are still in shrink wraps Please email to",6 " There is a library of map projections in: charon.er.usgs.gov in",1 " With relays alone, you will always get a transient when you abruptly turn ON or OFF any channel. If you don't want to hear the transient, use some other device (a photoresistor-output optoisolator is the usual sort of thing) to gently MUTE the signal, then switch, THEN remove the power from the lamp in the optoisolator. It used to be standard practice to employ photoresistors in switching audio, because the photoresistor time delay (a few thousandths of a second) kept any noise in the digital side (which drives the lamp) from contaminating the audio. And, the devices are cheaper than relays.",12 ,13 "Are there any X window servers that can run under MS-Windows?? I only know of Deskview but have not seen it in action. Are there any others?? Thanks in advance.",2 ,15 "As nobody in the food industry has even bothered to address my previous question ""WHY DO YOU NEED TO PUT MSG IN ALMOST EVERY FOOD?"" I must assume that my wife's answer is closer to the truth than I hoped it was. She believes that MSG is added to food to cause people to eat more of it and not quit when they shoud be sated. To put it a different way, she believes that for some people MSG causes them to act toward food like an addict. (Eat all the chips, chow down on several packages of noodle soup .... you get the idea! } IF she is right, then the moral and ethical standards of the food, chemical and regulatory groups need to be addressed!!! Can MSG be considered a conditioning substance (not addictive but sort of habit forming) ? This brings up a side question of mine. I have noticed that cats (my children's and my parent's) seem to fixate on a particular brand of pet food. The cat will eat any product within one brand and not any other brand. I have wondered if this is not a case of preference, but, some sort of chemical training or addiction. My questions, for the net, are: Does the FDA regulate the contents of pet food? Is it allowed for pet food to contain addictive or conditioning substances? Is MSG put in pet food? ----------------------------------- I speak for myself and not Motorola ----------------------------------- ",13 "I recently backed out of purchasing an almost-unused Sony TCD-D3 DAT Walkman, having found someone else who has a unit I personally prefer (and am paying more for). However, it's still a heck of a machine for the price -- it is quite rugged, and many people out there swear by it. (It's probably the most popular walkman-style DAT machine out there.) Anyway, the guy selling it is Bryan Davis (bdavis@netcom.com), and here's what he told me: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is what is included: - TCD-D3 DATman. - (2) RCA to Stereo 1/8"" plug cables. One for analog input, one for analog output. - Optical digital I/O cable (one lead for input, one for output). - A copy of my sales receipt with a note about your purchase. The unit is still under factory warrantee. - AC adaptor/battery charger. - Rechargable battery. I paid $750 + tax for it so I hope you don't mind if I keep the 60 minute tape it came with (I have some samples on it!). [By the way, he spent at least $100 too much for it, unless he's including an extended warranty, which is advised for DAT machines, since it costs about $300 to replace the head when it wears out, and it probably will within 5 years if you use it a lot.. -- davisonj] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not going to quote my sale price for him: that would not be nice. Send him mail and ask him what he wants. Again, I've used the TCD-D3, and I have to say that I can certainly understand why it is as popular as it is. I've been using one for a little while, and although I had some problems with it recently, I should also point out that the particular one I was using had been on the road for two years and had truly been _used_ during that time. (This is the same exact DAT machine that was lugged around the U.S. and Canada to record the Jazz Butcher Conspiracy for their recent live album.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I know at least half a dozen professional musicians and record labels in S.F who use that model (and have been for a while) with no reported problem. My problem is that everyone I know already has one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'nuff said. The reason I'm not getting it is that I found someone else selling me a unit that features phono-plug SPDIF I/O instead of optical (I don't have any optical ports on my equipment, but you, the reader, might), and it also has some other bells & whistles that the TCD-D3 doesn't. (I am also paying more for the alternative.) Note that phono-plug-to-optical SPDIF adapters are available if you absolutely must have one. Of course, it has SCMS. All consumer decks do. (So do Sony Minidiscs, by the way.) Anyway, if you're interested, get in touch with bdavis@netcom.com. ",6 "From article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu: Only irrational fools such as yourself are set against RKBA. There are *plenty* of people who support it. The government will be overthrown *long* before that happens. A *huge* millitia composed of all available men and women who care about their country will defeat the forces of the evil Klintonistas. The people *will* prevail! Oh, so you think armed citizens alone can't overthrow the government? Consider this: do you think *all* law enforcement officials and members of the Armed Forces will turn against the people that they are entrusted to serve? Not hardly. You can count on a lot of people in the Army, Marines, Air Force, Navy, National Guard, police officers, and so on joining in the cause to defend the liberties and freedoms of American citizens. COUNT ON IT! THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DISARM EVERYONE WITHOUT STARTING A CIVIL WAR! Wrong again. People will just hide their guns so these ""officers"" (more like jack-booted stormtroopers) will not be able to find them. They will unless they are idiots. They will realize that if they don't then they will be *next* including you. Believe me if what you describe happens they will be coming for *more* than guns. Disarming citizens would require that everyone's cherished freedoms and liberties be suspended temporarily. More likely, they'd never be restored unless the *people* do something about it. Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot",16 "As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money down a rathole. When you guys sort this out let me know. ",8 "Hello, I'm the proud owner of an IBM AT without a battery. I know it hooks into jumper J21, but I need more info so I can replace it. What's its voltage? Any suggestions for replacement? Where can I get one? Please respond to : grisch@uceng.uc.edu ",3 " What follows is my opinion. It is not asserted to be ""the truth"" so no flames, please. It comes out of a background of 20 years as a senior corporate staff executive in two Fortune 50 companies. I'd be happy to use a crypto system supplied by the NSA for business, if they told me it was more secure than DES, and in particular resistant to attempts by Japanese, French, and other competitive companies and governments to break. I'd be happy to do so even with escrowed keys, provided I was happy about the bona fides of the escrow agencies (the Federal Reserve would certainly satisfy me, as would something set up by one of the big 8 accounting firms). I'd trust the NSA or the President if they stated there were no trap doors--I'd be even happier if a committee of independent experts examined the thing under seal of secrecy and reported back that it was secure. I'd trust something from the NSA long before I'd trust something from some Swiss or anybody Japanese. This may seem surprising to some here, but I suggest most corporations would feel the same way. Most/many/some (pick one) corporations have an attitude that the NSA is part of our government and ""we support our government"", as one very famous CEO put it to me one day. Just some perspective from another point of view. ",11 "Where could I find a description of the JPG file format? Specifically I need to know where in a JPG file I can find the height and width of the image, and perhaps even the number of colors being used. Any suggestions? Peter ",1 " I could never find the Microsoft mouse driver on my Windows 3.1 installation disks, but DOS 6.0 also has version 8.20 of MOUSE.COM. ---",2 " Well said Mr. Beyer :) ",17 " Since we are in the subject, I have one more question. I have a Trident 8900C Video Card. I want to know what is the latest video driver for it. So far, all I can find is that an old driver dated Aug. 92 in garbo.uwasa.fi Anyone have any info ? Please e-mail me at axh113@psuvm.psu.edu",2 "... Haven't you read any of Noam Chomsky's works? A widely used information net outside the control of the 'right people' is unthinkable. Hundreds of billions of dollars will be spent to wipe it out, sorry, 'regulate and order it' once the major media and poitical powers wake up to the efect it can have. If you can't be bothered reading, get the video ""Manufacturing Consent"".",11 "For those of you looking for information on MS-DOS 6.0's file system compression API: Today I called Microsoft's DOS 6.0 hotline at (800)228-7007. They told me that the DOS 6.0 Resource Kit had the specifications for the compression interface. The Resource Kit costs $19.95, plus tax and $5 shipping. I ordered a copy and will post further when I get it and know more about it. I am posting now because the order turnaround is 15 working days. If anyone knows for sure where's there's a good source of info on this API, please speak up. I am slightly skeptical about the Resource Kit's likelihood of having detailed programming info. Mark R. mrr@ripem.msu.edu",11 "-*---- I agree with everything that Lee Lady wrote in her previous post in this thread. In case this puzzles people, I would like to expand on two of her comments. One of the most important (and difficult) aspects of reasoning about empirical investigation lies in understanding the context, scope, and importance of the various arguments and pieces of evidence that are marshalled for a claim. Some errors break the back of a piece of research, some leave a hole that needs to be filled in, and some are trivial in their importance. It is a grave mistake to confuse these. Past snippets from this thread: Back to Lee Lady: These posters are making the mistake that I have previously criticized of adhering to a methodological recipe. A ""carefully designed and controlled study"" is neither always possible nor always important. (On the other hand, if someone is proposing a remedy that supposedly alleviates a chronic medical problem, we have enough knowledge of the errors that have plagued *this* kind of claim to ask for a ""carefully designed and controlled study"" to alleviate our skepticism.) Rules such as ""support the hypothesis by a carefully designed and controlled study"" are too narrow to apply to *all* investigation. I think that the requirements for particular reasoning to be convincing depends greatly on the kinds of mistakes that have occurred in past reasoning about the same kinds of things. (To reuse the previous example, we know that conclusions from uncontrolled observations of the treatment of chronic medical problems are notoriously problematic.) ",13 "Hi, I'm looking for the 3-D studio driver for the Oak card with 1 M of RAM. This would be GREATLY (and I mean that) appreciated",1 " Version 2.03 drivers are current.",2 "I saw the following computer in a store and wanted to know if this is a good computer or does someone see something wrong with it. I also would like to switch the motherboard later when this computer becomes too slow. Does anyone know if this is possible with a Leading Edge Computer, or will it be difficult to find a motherboard that will fit in this computer. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Leading Edge- Model PC4170E * Intel 486SX/25 Mhz CPU * Supports Intel OverDrive clock-Doubling Processors(What is this?) * Upgradable to 486DX2/66 * 4 MB RAM upgradable to 32 MB * 8 KB internal cache * 1.2 MB 5 1/4"" & 1.44 MB 3.5"" Disk Drives * 213 MB Hard Drive * 1024 x 768 VGA Video Resolution * 1 MB Video RAM 256 Colors * 6 Available 16-bit ISA expansion Slots * One local bus socket (16-bit ISA Compatible) * 4 5.25"" drive bays, 3 external * One 25-pin Centronics type parallel port * 2 RS-232C Serial Ports (9 & 25 pin) * One 15-pin analog video connector * One PS/2 Compatible mouse port * 200 Watt power supply * 101 key keyboard and mouse included * Software includes Windows 3.1, Dos 5.0, Microsoft Works for Windows The store wants $1200 (without monitor) for this. Is it a good price? Thanks! ",3 " It would be funny if it wasn't so damn *NASTY*; and as non-xian as I am, it's hard to believe that someone is pushing black is white and freedom is slavery so blatantly.",19 " Well, not to be picky, but the V in VLB stands for VESA. While the V in VESA stands for video, saying the V in VLB stands for video is not entirely correct.",3 "From: Center for Policy Research Subject: Desertification of the Negev The desertification of the arid Negev ------------------------------------- by Moise Saltiel, I&P March 1990 I. The Negev Bedouin Before and After 1948 II. Jewish Agricultural Settlement in the Negev III. Development of the Negev's Rural Population IV. Economic Situation of Jewish Settlements in 1990 V. Failure in Settling the Arava Valley VI. Failure in Settling the Central Mountains VII. Failure in Making the Negev ""Bedouinenrein"" (Cleansing the Negev of Bedouins) VIII. Transforming Bedouin into Low-Paid Workers IX.. Failure in Settling the ""Development Towns"" X. Jordan Water to the Negev: A Strategic Asset XI. The Negev Becomes a Dumping Ground XII. The Dimona Nuclear Plant XIII. The Negev as a Military Base XIV. The Negev in the Year 2000 Just after the creation of the State of Israel, the phrase ""the Jewish pioneers will make the desert bloom"" was trumpeted throughout the Western world. After the Six Day War in 1967, David Ben-Gurion declared in a letter to Charles de Gaulle: ""It's by our pioneering creation that we have transformed a poor and arid land into a fertile land, created built-up areas, towns and villages in abandoned desert areas"". Contrary to Ben-Gurion's assertion, it must be affirmed that during the 26 years of the British mandate over Palestine and for centuries previous, a productive human presence was to be found in all parts of the Negev desert - in the very arid hills and valleys of the southern Negev as well as in the more fertile north. These were the Bedouin Arabs. The real desertification of the Negev, mainly in the southern part, occurred after Israel's dispossession of the Bedouin's cultivated lands and pastures. Nowadays, the majority of the 12,800 square-kilometer Negev, which represents 62 percent of the State of Israel (pre-1967 borders), has been desertified beyond recognition. The main new occupiers of the formerly Bedouin Negev are the Israeli army; the Nature Reserves Authority, whose chief role is to prevent Bedouin from roaming their former pasture lands; and vast industrial zones, including nuclear reactors and dumping grounds for chemical, nuclear and other wastes. Israeli Jews in the Negev today cultivate less than half the surface area cultivated by the Bedouin before 1948, and there is no Jewish pastoral activity. I. Agricultural and pastoral activities of the Negev Bedouin before and after 1948 -------------------------------------------------- In 1942, according to British mandatory statistics, the Beersheba sub-district (which corresponds more or less to Israel's Negev, or Southern, district) had 52,000 inhabitants, almost all Bedouin Arabs, who held 11,500 camels, 6,000 cows and oxen, 42,000 sheep and 22,000 goats. The majority of the Bedouin lived a more or less sedentary life in the north, where precipitation ranged between 200 and 350 mm per year. In 1944 they cultivated about 200,000 hectares of the Beersheba district - i.e. 16 percent of its total area and *more than double the area cultivated by the Negev's Jewish settlers after 40 years of ""making the desert bloom""* The Bedouin had a very low crop yield - 350 to 400 kilograms of barley per hectare during rainy years - and their farming techniques were primitive, but production was based solely on animal and human labor. It must also be underscored that animal production, although low, was based entirely on pasturing. Production increased considerably during the rainy years and diminished significantly during drought years. All Bedouin pasture animals - goats, camels and sheep - had the ability to gain weight quickly over the relatively rainy winters and to withstand many waterless days during the hot summers. These animals were the result of a centuries-old process of natural selection in harsh local conditions. After the creation of the State of Israel, 80 percent of the Negev Bedouin were expelled to the Sinai or to Southern Jordan. The 10,000 who were allowed to remain were confined to a territory of 40,000 hectares in a region were annual mean precipiation was 150 mm - a quantity low enough to ensure a crop failure two years out of three. The rare water wells in the south and central Negev, spring of life in the desert, were cemented to prevent Bedouin shepherds from roaming. A few Bedouin shepherds were allowed to stay in the central Negev. But after 1982, when the Sinai was returned to Egypt, these Bedouin were also eliminated. At the same time, strong pressure was applied on the Bedouin to abandon cultivation of their fields in order that the land could be transferred to the army. No reliable statistics exist concerning the amount of land held today by Negev Bedouin. It is a known fact that a large part of the 40,000 hectares they cultivated in the 1950s has been seized by the Israeli authorities. Indeed, most of the Bedouin are now confined to seven ""development towns"", or *sowetos*, established for them.",17 "Re: Space billboards Even easier to implement than writing messages on the Moon, once upon a time a group of space activists I belonged to in Seattle considered a ""Goodyear Blimp in orbit"". The idea was to use a large structure that could carry an array of lights like the Goodyear Blimp has. Placed in a low Earth orbit of high inclination, it could eventually be seen by almost everyone on Earth. Only our collective disapproval of cluttering up space with such a thing stopped us from pursuing it. It had quite feasible economics, which I will not post here because I don't want to encourage the idea (if you want to do such a thing, go figure it out for yourself). Dani Eder ",14 "I have an NEC multisync 3d monitor for sale. great condition. looks new. it is .28 dot pitch SVGA monitor that syncs from 15-38khz it is compatible with all aga amiga graphics modes. leave message if interested. make an offer.",6 "... Before or after his kids were shot? Then why make the comment? As did the Jews against the Nazis in WW II: do what I say or die. ALl humans, I hope. Or perhaps they have: kill first, blame the dead ones, destroy all the evidence. ",19 "I never thought I'd contribute to a Gateway thread, either pro or con, but my spleen could use a little venting. The scenario: 1 - Ordered a DX2/50 w/ Ultrastor 34F Local Bus HD controller 2 - Receive system 10 days after ordering (Happy) 3 - Discover Ultrastor 14F ISA HD Controller inside (unhappy) 4 - Call Gateway, receive the correct controller in 5 days (getting happier) 5 - New controller doesn't work (unhappy again) 6 - Call Gateway again, get another controller in 5 more days (cooling off, the end is in sight) 7 - This controller doesn't work either, motherboard is bad (VERY unhappy) Gateway's solution: They will order me a new motherboard (5 more days) and have on-site service install it for me. BUT, I have to take a day off of work because the service people only work 9-5 M-f. I say, no way I've already blown about 20 hours with this, about 10 of them on hold and I don't have the time or $$ to take a day off work. Also, my 30 day return period is almost over and I've only been able to use the thin for about 10 minutes. So, the whole thing is going back. I was extremely upset when I began this post because the support rep told me that I would have to pay shipping not only for the returned system, but also the two hard drive controllers they had sent me. Fortunately, I just spoke to customer service and they are going to have UPS come and pick everything up gratis. The only downside is that now I have to order another computer. I would really like to try Gateway again, I'm just very turned off by the prospect of having to try and get through to Customer Service or Tech Support again... I think their products are great for the most part, but I'm beginning to wonder if the savings are worth the potential aggravation. Are other mail order companies as difficult to contact? I know Gateway is booming, and for good reason, but I don't know if I can take it again. Oh well, I feel better now... ",3 "Hi! I am looking for the email address of the author to ""A Generic Solution to Polygon Clipping"", Communication of the ACM, July 1992, Vol. 35, No. 7. I got information about the author as follows Mr. Bala R. Vatti LCEC, 65 River Road, Hudson, N.H. 03051 email: vatti@waynar.lcec.lockheed I want to get some related and detailed papers about the same topic from the author. But I failed to send my email to the address. Any information is appreciated. Thank you very much. Best regards.",1 " >I recently have become aware that my health insurance includes >coverage for abortion. I strongly oppose abortion for reasons of >conscience. It disturbs me deeply to know that my premiums may >be being used to pay for that which I sincerely believe is >murder. I would like to request that I be exempted from abortion >coverage with my health premiums reduced accordingly. I share Dennis's outrage over a similar manner. I have recently become aware that my health insurance includes coverage for illness and injuries suffered by Christians. It disturbs me deeply to know that my premiums may be used to pay for that which I sincerely believe is divine punishment for their sinful conduct. In addition these folks are able to avail themselves of such alternative therapies as Lourdes, Fatima, Morris Cerullo, Benny Hinn, etc. In any case as ""Jesus Saves' I feel that there is no reason for them to be covering their bets at my expense. I would like to request that I be exempted from Christian coverage with my health premiums reduced accordingly.",19 " Yeah, Cancer is pretty cool, isn't it.",18 " Interesting is rigth.. I wonder if they will make a mention of her being an astronaut in the credits.. I think it might help people connect the future of space with the present.. And give them an idea that we must go into space..",14 "If the Islanders beat the Devils tonight, they would finish with identical records. Who's the lucky team that gets to face the Penguins in the opening round? Also, can somebody list the rules for breaking ties. ",10 "The package is called Sun and Sand, it includes: --5 days/ 4 nights(2+2) accommodations in Orlando and Daytona beach; --hotels are selected from major hotel chains and family resorts; --two adults and up to three children; --fully transferable; --expires at 09/93, $20 for extention of one more year; --it needs a 45 days advance reservation (esp. for peak season), the reservation department will offer a coupon book which may give you saving up to $150. --price: I bought it for $199, which is a good deal for peak seasons. For now, I will not turn down any reasonable offers. must sell. It doesn't include transportation. And you have to pay $3/day for hotel tax.",6 "What is the value of an SE (HDFD) 4/20? -David",4 " So true. I'm not sure of the basis of the belief, but it was a widely held belief among the laity of the RC church and their support of it lead to it being declared to be true. Basically the teaching on infallibility holds that the pope is infallible in matters of faith and doctrine, the college of bishops is likewise infallible, and the laity is as well. The pope gets most of the attention/criticism but the consensus of the other bodies is equally infallible (according to RC teaching).",15 "I'm looking for shading methods and algorithms. Please let me know if you know where to get source codes for that. Thanks a lot! Thomas +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ",1 " I think the legal term would be ""negligent homicide"" Well, it's nice to see someone with a brain, a general lack of paranoia, and a willingness to put his thoughts in public. I tend to agree with all you have said. ""Never assume foul motives when stupidity will do."" -- Jim's Corrolary to Occam's Razor semper fi,",16 "Hello All, I have a PC Transporter for sale. It will work with either an Apple IIe or a GS. However, I only have the GS installation kit. This PCT also has a co-processor installed. It comes with the latest software (2.05) and a 3.5 drive. So what you get is : PC Transporter (no problems runs great) Installation kit for above PCT (GS) with video tape instructions All needed harware with color adapter for monitor 8087 co processor installed on board All manuals and software (ver 2.05 AEPC) one 3.5 800K drive to hook to the PCT (or GS) Brian Laakso",6 "Summer Housing needed-at University of Washington, Seattle. ---------------------------------------------------------- Hi I am looking for a place to stay for the summer at the University of Washington, Seattle, where I would be doing an internship. If any of you from UofW Seattle, has got some kind of space for summer sublet, please send an email/call to me. I expect to start my internship in the first week of June. -Koshy George george@cs.umass.edu Koshy George, 54, Puffton Village, Amherst, MA, 01002. 413-549-7373 H 413-545-2014 O",6 " How much support do you need? I don't think there's anything that prohibits you from implementing such a widget, though you will have to write your own versions of the functions that draw the 3D shadow and traversal highlighting. ",5 "Hi Damon, No matter what system or explanation of creation you wish to accept, you always have to start with one of two premises, creation from nothing, or creation from something. There are no other alternatives. And if we accept one or the other of those two premises, then again there are two alternatives, either creation was random, or was according to some plan. If it was random, I am unable to accept that the complex nature of our world with interrelated interdependent organisms and creatures could exist as they do. Therefore I am left with creation under the control of an intelligence capable of devising such a scheme. I call that intelligence God. I also prefer the ""Creatio ex nihilo"" rather than from chaos, as it is cleaner. There is obviously no way to prove either or neither. We are and we must have come from somewhere. Choose whatever explanation you feel most comfortable with, Damon. You are the one who has to live with your choice. Shalom, Len Howard ",15 "an excellent automatic can be found in the subaru legacy. it switches to ""sport"" mode when the electronics figure it, not when the driver sets the switch.. which is the proper way to do it, IMO. so what does ""sport"" mode entail? several things: 1) revving to red line (or to the rev limiter in the case of the legacy) 2) delayed upshifts. (i.e. if you lift off briefly, it will remain in the low gear. this is handy if you are charging through corners and would like to do without the distraction of upshifts when there's another curve approaching) 3) part throttle downshifts, based on the *speed* at which the pedal is depressed, rather than the *position* of the pedal. modern electronics can measure this very easily and switch to sport mode. this is wonderful if you want to charge through a green light about to turn red. my audi senses this very well and can downshift on as little as half throttle if my right foot is fast enough. also, i think that a smart automatic can deliver better gas mileage than a dumb driver with a stick, all else being equal.. remember that the idea of a stick being more economical than an automatic makes a big assumption that the driver is smart enough to know what gear to use for each situation.. how many times have you ridden with an inattentive driver cruising on the highway at 55/65 in 4th gear (of a 5 speed)? how many % of people who drive manuals *really* know what the best gear to use is for every conceivable situation? i'm sure there will be some who know, but i suspect that a chip controlled automatic with all possible scenario/ratio combinations stored in ROM is likely to do better. i can also say that all my previous assumptions were proved wrong after i got a car with instantaneous mpg readout... high gear, low revs and wide open throttle is more economical than low gear, high revs and small throttle opening. the explanation is quite simple if one sits down to think about it, but not that obvious at first sight. ",7 "I recently compiled the X11R5pl22 sources using gcc-2.3.3 on a Sun3/80. Everything seems to work fine. Usually. But at seemingly random times the server will just hang. I will click the mouse somewhere (never happens while my back is turned), and without warning, it will freeze there, requiring the server to be killed. Sometimes it will run fine for weeks, sometimes only for minutes. (Os: 4.1.1; frame buffer: bw2). Has anyone seen this before, any ideas? (anything at all?) thanks, --jeff ",5 "You have a lot more problems keeping up with hardware interrupts in Windows than in DOS - regardless of what communication software you are using. Try the following: 1) Turn off disk write cache for the disk you are downloading to. The cache will save up so much that when it grabs control of the machine it takes too long to write to disk and you loose characters. 2) Use a different UART for your serial line. The old UART's (8250 or 16450) can only buffer one character internally. The new UART's (16550) can buffer 16, which should be plenty for most situations. You can run \windows\msd.exe to find out what UART is on the machine.",2 " AAAAAAAAAAAA! RUN! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! Then why are they in the process of systematically dismantling some of their socialistic health care systems through privitization of key components? If I hold a gun to your wife, would you respond the same way? I don't think so. While the age of aquarius may have hit the White House, the age of peace love and harmony hasn't hit in South Central LA nor has it hit in former Yugoslavia. And as long as there are people in the world who would rather see me dead than thrive, I want the protection of a police force who will keep the peace so I *can* make love without being shot. The ultimate statement for equal rights (something many of the feminazis have forgotten) is ""I do not care if you are either a man or a woman, I do not care if you are black or white, I do not care if you are gay or straight."" Once you can honistly say ""I do not care about color, race, or gender or sexual preference"", then we will truly be on the right track. Keep shoving differences in my face and then expect us all to get along? Get real! So long as you try to make me care if you are black, female, or whatever, I am going to continue to balk. It's natural human behaviour. But the moment employers searching for employees, banks looking to lend money, and theClinton administration looking for appointees can honistly say ""I do not care about your color, race, gender, or sexual preferences; I instend instead to treat you as a human being,"" crap like last year's riots will continue to happen. Barf. You mean the same economic theorists who say things like ""for the sake of convenience in mathematical modeling we will first assume there is no wealth creation"" now get a crack at implementing their PhD thesis in real life? Go back to your textbooks on macroeconomic theory. Look in the first chapter of that book, introducing the field of macroeconomic theory. Right there in chapter 1, section 1, is a statement like the following: ""As it is difficult to predict and model wealth creation, especially in an economy where wealth creation is inherently the province of individuals who create new inventions and discover new ideas, we will assume for the rest of this book that there is no wealth creation. ""We do not assume the lack of weath creation in the real world, however the mathematical modeling of such an inherently unpredictable subject is impossible. Even though we assume no wealth creation, we do believe that for most mathematical economic modeling such an assumption is reasonably valid as it allows us to make predictions which then can be tested."" So the guys who are running the store for Clinton and company are now assuming that wealth creation does not exists. They are (borrowing an idea from the Hitchhiker's Guide) too advanced to think of these simple things. To be honist, I would rather have an engineer with years of experience building bridges design the next bridge, rather than a theoretical physicists with a freshly minted PhD and no experience do the same job. - Bill Woody",18 " This claim was made when someone spotted training film footage spliced into the footage of the actual spacewalk.",14 ,7 "I'm giving up hardware design and am selling my Oscilloscope: BK Precision Model 1541B 40 MHZ Dual-Trace Barely Used $450 firm (Fry's sells it for $589+tax) Prefer people in Silicon Valley, so I don't have to ship it.",12 " Proper counter to this claim: ""Forensic analysis of the WTC bomb by means of taggants would have been as impossible as semantic analysis of NYT editorials by means of taggants -- the difficulty in both cases being to have persuaded the bull to consume the taggants before production of either item."" -- ",16 "=There is no contradiction here. It is essential in the sense that your =body needs it. It is non-essential in the sense that your body can =produce enough of it without supplement. And when you're in a technical discussion of amino acids, it's the latter definition that's used almost universally. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL",13 " Portuguese launch complex??? Gosh.... Polish are for American in the same way as Portuguese are for Brazilians (I am from Brazil). There is a joke about the Portuguese Space Agency that wanted to send a Portuguese astronaut to the surface of the Sun (if there is such a thing). How did they solve all problems of sending a man to the surface of the Sun??? Simple... their astronauts travelled during the night... C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov",14 " I hope there is something I don't understand about this system, but can someone tell me how these chips are going to be manufactured while maintaining each half key under total control of the separate escrow agencies? Don't both halfs of the key have to come together (in some form) at the time the chip is constructed? Or is it built like a fusable prom, with the chip being sent to the 1st escrow agency to program its 1/2 key, then the 2nd agency to program its 1/2 key (but who invents the safeguards that prevent the 2nd agency from reading the information already programmed by the 1st)? This isn't intended to be a flame or anything, I am just really curious how to manufacture these things while still maintaining the key escrow security without simply saying ""trust the manufacturer, they won't look"".",11 "Is it possible to buy a serial I/O card with the 16550 UART's built in (rather than having to buy them separately, and socketing them in)? My current I/O card uses 8250's (correct number? The braindead ones anyway). It also controls two floppy drives, and two IDE hard drives. Ideally, I'd like to get a new multi I/O card, that had 2 serial ports with 16550's and could also control another 2 IDE HD's. It would have to have configurable addresses for both the serial ports, and the IDE controller, so it could co-exist with my existing card. Does such a beast exist? Now the hard part - where can I get one in Australia, preferably Brisbane?",3 " Well, it's obvious that you *don't* attempt, otherwise you would be aware that they *don't* all ""loudly [claim] to be the One True Christian"". I've tried to avoid using the phrase ""is/is not christian"" because of these ownership issues; instead, I've tried the phrase ""Nicene christianity"" in an attempt to identify the vast majority of ""christianity"" which has roughly similar viewpoints on the core theological issues. The JWs do not fall within this group and in fact espouse a position known as Arianism, which is rejected by all the nicene churches and virtually everyone else as well.",0 "I'm compiling a bibliography on religious perspectives on esotericism, hermeticism, gnosticism, mysticism, occultism, alchemy and magic, and am interested in sources that others have found particularly interesting and insightful. I'm especially interested in medieval works, such as _The Chemical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz_ and Arthurian legends. Please feel free, too, to send personal opinions on any of the above, pro or con or anywhere in between. Thanks much.",15 "Can someone tell me in 25 words or less how to compile posix message catalogs so that I can use them with catgets, catopen, etc. I know what the format for the catalogs is, but don't know how to compile them. Please reply to chas@blackwhite.com Thanks in advance, chas",5 "This is the file BIGNUMS.TXT from ripem.msu.edu, last updated April 1993. In response to Email requests, I have assembled this list of large-integer arithmetic packages of which I have heard. Most of these are C function libraries, available in source form. For your convenience, I have placed copies of some of these on ripem.msu.edu (35.8.1.178). They are available for anonymous FTP in the directory ""pub/bignum"". However, what I have may not be the most current version in all cases. Here they are, in no particular order: mp Multiple Precision package that comes with some Unixes Multiple precision package accessed via -lmp flag on your compiler. Provides +, -, *, /, gcd, exponentiation, sqrt. Comes with SunOS, NeXT Mach, BBN Mach 1000, and probably a few others. See ""man mp"". Object code only, of course. PARI Henri Cohen, et al., Universite Bordeaux I, Paris, FRANCE Multiple precision desk calculator and library routines. Contains optimized assembly code for Motorola 68020, semi-optimized code for SPARC, and apparently rather slow generic C version. Does both integers and reals. Does vectors and matrices as well as scalars. Contains a number of advanced functions, some of which I've never heard of. (""Weber's function""?) Has a factorization function, primality test, & other related stuff. Plenty of TEX documentation. Public domain, but you can't distribute modified versions. Available via anonymous FTP from math.ucla.edu. There seem to be Mac- and NeXT-specific versions there in addition to: Filename: pari-1.35a.tar.Z Arithmetic in Global Fields (Arith) Kevin R. Coombes, David R. Grant Package of routines for arbitrary precision integers or polynomials over finite fields. Includes basic +, -, *, / and a few others like gcd. Source code in C. Distributed under the terms of the GNU public license. Includes man pages and TEX documentation. Filename: arith.tar.Z Arbitrary Precision Math Library Lloyd Zusman Los Gatos, CA C package which supports basic +, -, *, /. Provides for radix points (i.e., non-integers). Not as polished as the others here. Posted to comp.sources.misc in October 1988. Filename: apml.tar.Z BigNum J. Vuillemin, INRIA, FRANCE, and others. Distributed by Digital Equipment Paris Research Lab (DECPRL) A ""portable and efficient arbitrary-precision integer"" package. C code, with generic C ""kernel"", plus assembly ""kernels"" for MC680x0, Intel i960, MIPS, NS32032, Pyramid, and of course VAX. This is probably one of the better-known packages of this type. Implements +, -, *, /, mod, plus logical operations OR, AND, XOR. Both signed and unsigned arithmetic available. Available via email from librarian@decprl.dec.com. You will receive 5 shell archives. Give your postal address and you will also receive printed documentation from France. Package includes TEX documentation. Publicly available for non-commercial use. I removed this from my archive when I heard a rumor that PRL doesn't like others to distribute it. However, BIGNUM *is* distributed as part of ecpp (see below). Lenstra's package Arjen Lenstra Bellcore Portable unsigned integer package written entirely in C. Includes +, -, *, /, exponentiation, mod, primality testing, sqrt, random number generator, and a few others. The package was uncommented and undocumented; I have tried to add enough comments to get by. This is the only of these packages that I have actually used. It works well and is very portable. I haven't done any benchmarks against the others, but the code looks clever & Lenstra is an accomplished number theorist. Unlike the other packages here, this one requires you to allocate storage statically--only a problem if your numbers are really huge. Arjen has placed the code in the public domain. Filename: lenstra.tar.Z lenstra_3.1 Arjen Lenstra, Bellcore An improved version of Arjen's package above. This one does signed arithmetic and dynamic allocation (which can be turned off as an option). Has a few new routines, too. ""lenstra_3.1"" contains minor bugfixes to the previously-available ""lenstra_2"" and ""lenstra_3"". Filename: lenstra_3.1.c bmp (Brent's Multiple Precision?) R. P. Brent 1981 vintage FORTRAN code to do extended precision floating & fixed point arithmetic. Includes most of the mathematical functions you'd find in a FORTRAN run-time library. This code is an ACM algorithm, number 524. To obtain, send a mail message to netlib@ornl.gov containing the line ""send mp.f from bmp"" or better yet, perhaps just start with ""help"". SPX Kannan Alagappan & Joseph Tardo, DEC This is a huge prototype public key authentication system based on RSA. I mention it here because those who have heard of SPX have probably correctly guessed that it contains a large integer package and I want to inform you that the large integer package it contains is indeed DEC's BigNum from France. You can get a beta test copy of SPX from crl.dec.com (192.58.206.2). Use it only for testing, as it ""may"" expire on a certain date. (I don't know whether this has expired yet.) amp (Antti's Multiple Precision?) Antti Louko alo@kampi.hut.fi Multiple precision integer package in C. Includes +, -, *, /, %, pow, mod, 1/x mod y, random, sqrt, gcd. Available for non-commercial use. The package includes ""share-secret"", a public key system based on the Diffie-Hellman algorithm. This is normally part of the well-known ""des-dist.tar.Z"", but I have removed the DES part to avoid having to deal with cryptographic export laws, and have named the result: Filename: amp.tar.Z gennum Per Bothner U of Wisconsin-Madison C++ routines and classes to do generic arithmetic, both integer and rational. Formerly available on sevenlayer.cs.wis.edu. However, it seems to have disappeared. Sorry. MIRACL (By someone in Dublin, Ireland) Integer and fractional multiple precision package. Includes factorization, primality testing, encryption. Not public domain, apparently. It is available from the Austin Code Works. (See ads in Byte Magazine or Dr. Dobbs.) precision Dave Barrett barrettd@tigger.colorado.edu Multiple precision integer package in C with +,-,*,/, sqrt, rand, mod, pow, log. Simple vector support. Does dynamic allocation of memory. Free as long as you don't sell it or any program that uses it. Filename: precision.tar.Z UBASIC Prof. Yuji Kida, Rikkyo University, Nishi-Ikebukuro 3, Tokyo 171, Japan kida@rkmath.rikkyo.ac.jp Multiple-precision version of the BASIC programming language, for MS-DOS. Includes floating point. Said (by Keith Briggs) to be pretty fast. Object only, I think. ervin@morekypr.bitnet fast arithmetic. Has a version optimized for 386 machines. Includes routines to do MPQS, the fastest currently known general factoring algorithm. An additional file is at both sites to allow MPQS to use hard drives so that it can factor up to 80 digits. Many number theoretical functions are included in UBASIC. It allows over 2500 digits of precision."" Available via anonymous FTP from shape.mps.ohio-state.edu, or simtel20.army.mil, or wuarchive.wustl.edu. calc_v22 Unknown MS-DOS C-like language that allows ""infinite"" precision. Nice intrinsic functions. ervin@morekypr.bitnet reports problems when changing precision on the fly. See simtel20 or wuarchive. briggs_arith Keith Briggs (kbriggs@mundoe.maths.mu.oz.au) Turbo Pascal 5 source for routines that do multiple-precision +, -, *, /, sqrt, gcd, factoring, rand for integers; also includes +, -, *, / and rand for rational numbers. Filename: briggs_arith.pas Institute fur Experimentelle Mathematik Dr Gerhard Schneider (?) Fast C multiple-precision subroutine library. I don't know anything about it; sl25@ely.cl.cam.ac.uk says to contact MAT420@DE0HRZ1A.BITNET for more info. Postal Address: Institute fur Experimentelle Mathematik EllernStr 29 D4300 Essen-12 GERMANY LongInt Markus Mueller (mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch) ""Multi precision arithmetic written in MODULA-2, with the most time critical parts written in Assembler. Includes basic arithmetics (+, -, *, /, %) as well as arithmetics MODULO a number. An additional module provides a collection of procedures for primality testing, gcd, multiplicative inverse and more. The package is part of a Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM) package which includes a PEM mailer, RSA key generator and Certificate generation tools."" Source is in Modula-2, C, and assembler for Sun 3. LongInt has also been ported to MS-DOS under Logitech Modula-2 and Turbo Assembler. Availability: free for university use (research and education); otherwise, a source license is required. To obtain, write or email to: Markus Mueller Bertastrasse 7 CH-8953 Dietikon Switzerland email: mueller@komsys.tik.ethz.ch bignum-1.2 Henrik.Johansson@Nexus.Comm.SE Bignum package written in portable C. Will in the future conform to the Common Lisp functions that handles integers. Currently includes +, -, *, /, exponentiation, ""exptmod"", comparison, random numbers, and gcd. Filename: bignum-1.2 GNU Multiple Precision GNU (Free Software Foundation) multiple precision package. I haven't looked at it yet. This is current as of April 1992, but there may be a more recent version by the time you read this. This package is very widely available on FTP sites. Filename: gmp-1.2.tar.Z Elliptic Curve Primality Proving Francois Morian, France. Large package to prove the primality of any prime. Includes Inria's BIGNUM package. Obtained from ftp.inria.fr (128.93.1.26). Filename: ecpp.V3.4.1.tar.Z PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) Philip Zimmermann prz@sage.cgd.ucar.EDU Intel-based crypto package that includes bignum routines in C, said to be quite fast for Intel processors. Unix and Mac versions also available. The crypto package violates RSA patents, but the bignum routines can be used without fear of legal repercussions. Bell's Arbitrary Precision Calculator David I. Bell, Australia (dbell@pdact.pd.necisa.oz.au) Arbitrary-precision calculator with good online help, C-like language, many builtin functions, support for integers, rational numbers (they work like floating point), complex numbers, matrices, strings, lists, files, ""objects"". Includes gcd, primality testing, even trig functions. Recommended. (Large package, though.) Obtained from comp.sources.unix. Filename: calc-1.24.7.tar.Z Built-in support in other languages Various Multiple precision arithmetic is available in a number of programming languages, such as Lisp and ABC (cf. mcsun.eu.net). Perl (by Larry Wall, available from devvax.jpl.nasa.gov) includes source, in Perl, for such a package, but it's probably not suitable for serious use. For some of these, source code may be available. This list is long enough, so I'm not going to pursue it aggressively. Thanks to Ed Vielmetti and several others who contributed to this list.",11 "I'm attempting to transfer files from my home computer running Windows 3.1 Terminal to a workstation at school. The file transfer protocol at home is Kermit for binary files. I'm running Kermit on the workstation at school and setting the file transfer protocol to binary. I am unable to upload files to school but can download files from school to home. During download, Terminal displays ther retrying message several times then the message ' Verify you're using the correct protocol'. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix? Either e-mail or post to this group. Thanks, in advance,",2 "God CAN be seen: ""And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts."" (Ex. 33:23) ""And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend."" (Ex. 33:11) ""For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."" (Gen. 32:30) God CANNOT be seen: ""No man hath seen God at any time."" (John 1:18) ""And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live."" (Ex. 33:20) ""Whom no man hath seen nor can see."" (1 Tim. 6:16)",19 ,18 " ""Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."" -- William Pitt",11 " this borders on blasphemy.",9 " I bought a Viewsonic 17 for use at home but after a week I took it back. I felt for the money my NEC 5FG that I use at work was a much better monitor. The NEC is sharper, flatter, less distorted, and more stable. I have heard complaints from people about the NEC FG series having some quality control problems but mine has been in use for about a year with no problems at all. There was nothing really broken with the Viewsonic but overall it did not match up. I used my ATI Graphics Ultra in setup mode to push the frequencies to their limits and the Viewsonic exhibited some problems that the NEC did not. I personally like the non-etched NEC with the OCLI filter and the tube on the 17 was not as nice. The 17 had some uncorrectable pincusion and edge distortion problems. Also, it would change brightness when I switched modes and I was constantly having to fiddle with the controls. And the yoke was crooked and I had no way to compensate for the raster that tilted downhill. On the postive side, although not as handsome as the NEC, the 17 had a smaller footprint and was not as heavy. I have heard that Panasonic owns Viewsonic and the model 17 is being sold through OEM channels with a Panasonic label on it. If it's available that way at a lower cost I could get more serious about it. For now the NEC has my vote but I'm searching for one of the new, cheaper, NEC 5FGe's to see if it's just as good as its older brother the 5FG before I decide which one to buy. I have no experience with the Nanao. I can never keep the Nanao models straight and don't have any place I can walk in to get a good comparison of all models. -- Standard employer disclaimers apply ",2 "Posting this for a friend Sunnyvale, California 1982 Porsche 928 GTS Package leather interior european handling package sunroof cruise control 88,000k miles new paint Immaculate in every way ********** DELIVERY POSSIBLE TO DESTINATION WITH DEPOSIT ******** $10,000 firm Low book is 11,500 High book is 16,000 Phone (408) 296-4444 Frank Rosqui As new this vehicle was $74,000",6 "Hi all: Thanks to you all who have responded to my request for info on various kinds of fax modem. I'd like to ask a few more questions. 1. What are the advantages of buying a global village Teleport Gold over other cheaper brands like Supra, Zoom etc? 2. I heard that both Supra and Zoom use the same software. Why are there so many complaints about the incompatibility problems of Supra? What kind of incompatibility is it? 3. If I decided to buy the Teleport Gold, is there any possibility to add a voice option in the near future? 4. Has anyone heard of a possible voice option that Supra will offer this coming summer? 5. A person did mention a new AT&T modem. Is it getting good reviews from various Mac Magazines? 6. If I want the best, fastest, most economically sound and possible voice option, what fax modem should I buy? Sorry for posting so many questions, but I think they're necessary. I promise to repost any answers if they're not already posted by a responder. Thanks so much in advance. Regards,",4 "I am curious if anyone in net-land has spent any time at any of the L'Abri houses throughout the world and what the experience was like, how it affected you, etc. Especially interesting would be experiences at the original L'Abri in Switzerland and personal interactions with Francis and/or Edith Schaeffer.",15 " I apologize to the moderator, but the first quote was deleted and I would like to respond to both. As for the ""goal we can never achieve"", the reward comes from the trying. Paul makes a clear claim that we are to continue straining for the prize over in Philippians 3:10-16. Only by not living out the commands do we stagnate and become lukewarm, to be spit out by Jesus. As it says in 1 John 5:3: ""This is love for God: to obey his comands."" That obedience is our straining to achieve for God. Of course, this requires work on our part. As for the quote in James, Satan doesn't care what we believe. What matters is the results of our belief (works). If one truly has faith in what one believes, one will either act on that faith or be lying to oneself about believing in the first place. Stan, as for your first line, you have a very good point. Obedience by obligation (grudgery) is not what God desires. Instead, look at how many times the Bible talks about being joyous in all situations and when doing God's work. Being begrudged by the work has no value. Also, we should do the work necessary whenever we can, not just when we feel Jesus' presence. Feelings can deceive us. However, as Paul states to Timothy in 2 Timothy 4:2: ""Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction."" Also, remember that Paul tells Timothy in 1 Timothy 4:16: ""Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers."" So, in order to do the work necessary, we need to be sure that we are correct first. Remember Jesus' warning in Matthew 7:3-5 not to be hypocritical about what we do. The best way to accomplish this is to be a disciple completely in both thought and deed. ",15 " Without doing anything really tricky, the best I've seen is the Burr-Brown INA103. Their databook shows a good application of this chip as a phantom power mic pre. -- ",12 " Why ""must""? --- "" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. """,0 "{Sorry, Harel et al, but our doctors and most hospitals are still private in Canada as well as in much of Western Europe.} Wrong. In better EC countries that use pure (but public) health insurance (like we use in Canada) rather than self-enclosed HMO-like socialized medicine, 30% of our costs comes from private supplementary insurance and/or copayments. France Magazine's Summer 1992 edition has a fantastic presentation of their basic insurance coverage, including a sample chart of copayment percentages. For 1-30 days, you're covered for 80% of the public hospital rate, 100% afterward. With extra private insurance, you can get into a private hospital and be covered for any differences beyond the public hospital rate. The public insurance covers 100% beyond 30 days, or the same cash amount for a private hospital and the difference is paid out-of-pocket or according to your supplementary private insurance. Over 2/3rds of French have some form of extra private insurance. So, 30% of health costs in Europe are out of private funds and not gleaned from other taxes. The GDP figures are combined public and private expenditures for total outlay using the same methods that yield the 13-14% figure for the U.S. That the French had deductibles and copayments in their insurance fund is to their credit ... I am in the minority for advocating such back in Canada (to make the Canadian insurance look more like real health insurance -- which actually it is). The new Reform Party, a breakoff of traditionalists from the Conservatives with a mildly ""libertarian"" faction, hold our public health insurance as an untouchable but that just a few people have to be reminded that it's not free (the average Canadian/European is more fiscally naive than their American counterparts on issues like these). I'm one of the few people who favour copayments (forget about leftists, even our conservatives attack me for it on the Canadian newsgroups) to make it look more like real insurance, 'cos the 100% insurance payment is hidden (unlike in France) and if you didn't know it, you'd believe it actually is socialized medicine (American conservatives/libertarians and Canadian leftists are the only ones who seriously call it that). Canadians aren't worried about the Americans, who spend 14%; we're worried about the French and Germans who spend 7% to our 9% ... so the insurance is looking at things that shouldn't be paid for out of general funds like physicals for insurance policies, sick notes, electrolysis, etc. The reason that the Canadian health insurance hasn't spiralled out of control despite being open and universal is that unlike Americans, there is no urge to spend all of your benefits' worth, and more if you can ... we're a different culture. ""Managed Care"" relies on HMO's, which are unknown in most western nations that use only public health insurance like Canada, France and Germany (I'm Canadian, and my German father-in-law-to-be says of HMO/NHS approaches, ""We left that behind with East Germany!""). Sure, HMO/NHS controls costs because you have managers strangling doctors with budget strings. In Canada, we use the public health insurance approach as in France and Germany, with all private doctors and both private and public hospitals. It is all pure insurance without HMO's. The divisions are different, with the Germans using a couple hundred interlinked ""sickness funds"" over a century old while Canada divides by their provinces (who run the insurance fund and set local fees with the doctors monopoly; federal funds cover the fees disbursed.) With such an open-ended system, it's no surprise that Canada is #2 to the U.S. in costs; all-insurance is the most expensive way to go. The French and Germans use the same approach but have larger populations in more compact geography to improve scales of economy. gld",18 "# #The official and legal term for rape is ""the crime of forcing a FEMALE # #to submit to sexual intercourse."" # # Please, supply me with some references. I was not aware that all states # had the word ""FEMALE"" in the rape statutes. I am sure others are surprised # as well. I know thats how it works in practice (nice-n-fair, NOT!!), but # was unaware that it was in the statutes as applying to FEMALES only, # uniformly throughout the U.S. # # -Chris There may be some confusion here. The Uniform Crime Reports program run by the FBI defines rape as a female victim only crime -- even though some states have the laws de-sexed. I suspect that this causes male victims of rape to be left out of the UCR data.",18 " Perhaps we ought not to have supported a known genocidist? Provided him with weapon systems, tactical support, technology, etc. We made Suddam Hussein. What did Bush call him? Oh yes, an ally and a freind. --- "" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too.""",0 " Not necessarily. It could mean that, or it could mean that he just hit a lot better at home than he did on the road (see Frank Thomas' home/road splits in '91 for an example). I would guess that some of Alomar's split is due to the Skydome, but most of it is probably due just to coincidence. There's no way to be sure, of course, but the only hitters the Skydome seems to regularly help a lot are right handed home run hitters, and Alomar is not a home run hitter. Only because of t&P's bogus fielding stats, which rate Alomar as the worst defensive second baseman in the league. On a career basis, I think T&P's fielding stats may mean something, but on a seasonal basis it comes up with ridiculous results like this. Alomar may not be the god of fielding the media says he is, but he sure isn't the worst in baseball. Offensively, T&P rate Alomar much higher last year. Regarding the A vs. B argument, I'll just say they're both very good players with different strengths and a bright future. ",9 " Losers like us? You are the fucking moron who has never heard of the Western Business School, or the University of Western Ontario for that matter. Why don't you pull your head out of your asshole and smell something other than shit for once so you can look on a map to see where UWO is! Back to hockey, the North Stars should be moved because for the past few years they have just been SHIT. A real team like Toronto would never be moved!!! Andrew-- ",10 " ... an amazing illustration of disconnection from reality. Glad to see that you agree that the current Government is reticent about admitting the sovereignty of the people! Speaking from personal experience, I have had judges illegally assume jurisdiction even after I demanded that the DA prove such jurisdiction on the record, and the DA stood mute. I have also had an appellate court uphold such action and hide behind California Rules of Court, Rule 106 (""The judges of the appellate department shall not be required to write opinions in any cases decided by them, but may do so whenever they deem it advisable or in the public interest.""). That is reality, I agree. ",18 "I was wondering if anyone out there could enlighten me on this car I saw the other day. It was a 2-door sports car, looked to be from the late 60s/ early 70s. It was called a Bricklin. The doors were really small. In addition, the front bumper was separate from the rest of the body. This is all I know. If anyone can tellme a model name, engine specs, years of production, where this car is made, history, or whatever info you have on this funky looking car, please e-mail.",7 "Hi. I use Emacs and I want to customize my keyboard better. When I set up stuff in my .emacs with a keymap and define-keys, I can only access certain of the keys on my X-Terminal's keyboard. I can't get e.g. F10, Home, End, PgUp, PgDn; they all seem to have either the same or no keycode. I have a feeling this can't be fixed in emacs itself, but that I need to do some xmodmap stuff. Can someone help me? By the way, I've checked the X-FAQ and posted a similar message to gnu.emacs.help to no response. Currently I have the following in my .emacs file (inside a 'cond'): ((string-match ""^xterm"" (getenv ""TERM"")) ;; done by aj 8/92. I don't know what most of this does... (defvar xterm-map (make-sparse-keymap) ""Keymap for xterm special keys"") (define-key esc-map ""["" 'xterm-prefix) (fset 'xterm-prefix xterm-map) ;;Keys F1 to F12 (define-key xterm-map ""224z"" 'goto-line) ;F1 (define-key xterm-map ""225z"" 'what-line) ;F2 (define-key xterm-map ""226z"" 'rmail) ;F3 (define-key xterm-map ""227z"" 'replace-string) ;F4 (define-key xterm-map ""228z"" 'end-of-line) ;F5 (define-key xterm-map ""229z"" 'kill-line) ;F6 (define-key xterm-map ""230z"" 'yank) ;F7 (define-key xterm-map ""231z"" 'beginning-of-line);F8 (define-key xterm-map ""232z"" 'end-of-line) ;F9 (define-key xterm-map ""192z"" 'scroll-down) ;F11 (define-key xterm-map ""193z"" 'scroll-up) ;F12 ;;Keys F10, up, down, etc. ??????? can't get the keys (define-key xterm-map ""-1z"" 'set-mark-command)) ) ",5 "I currently use a window manager called ctwm which is very similar to hp's vuewm. (i.e. it has multiple workspaces). Is there a motif based window manager that has this same feature and is not a memory pig like vue? mike ",5 "Apple dealerships once had kits to replace the soldered in batteries with a battery holder.",4 "Perhaps one way of getting away from this cripple chip that the U.S. government seems to be pushing would be to come up with a good alternative. For example, how about a scheme using RSA, and some hybrid of DES-CFB and another strong stream cipher (Maybe IDEA-CFB)? This could be substantially the same as the cripple chip, except that instead of key-registration, the police could demand that you give up your secret key to them (with a court- issued warrant). Then, they could read the last few months of wiretapped messages you've sent, and assuming you've committed no crimes, you could generate a new key pair and go about your business. I find that I'd be willing to pay RSA for the right to use such a system, especially given the alternative. If you were unwilling to give up your secret key, then you'd probably stay in jail (has anyone got a real legal precedent for this?). This would allow court-issued warrants to be used to gather information on suspected criminals, but it couldn't be done in secrecy, and there would be enormously less likelihood of corruption or theft of escrowed keys. (Maybe someone from the law-enforcement or intelligent community will correct me, but this doesn't *seem* like such a big loss in terms of law-enforcement capabilities.) Any comments?",11 " That's because Lankford had a minor injury from a couple of games before that and was day-to-day... only available as a pinchrunner. ",9 " It has been announced that the Senators will move their AHL franchise to Charlottetown, P.E.I. (Prince Edward Island), not New Brunswick.",10 " Yes, but they'll be encrypted with Cripple Chip encryption, the encryption algorithm so great it's TOP SECRET and so unbreakable they WON'T EVEN LET YOU LOOK AT IT! Doesn't that make you feel SECURE?",11 " Mike Terry asks: No Mike. It is imposible due to the shaft effect. The centripital effects of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift off the ground.",8 "[In looking through my files this weekend, I ran across some lyrics from various rock groups that have content. Here are two from Black Sabbath's ""Master of Reality"". I'll say this much for the music of the '60's and early '70's, at least they asked questions of significance. Jethro Tull is another to asked and wrote about things that caused one to wonder. --Rex] AFTER FOREVER Have you ever thought about your soul-- can it be saved? Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in you grave. Is God just a thought within you read in a book when you were at school? When you think about death Do you lose your breath Or do you keep your cool? Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope? Do you think he's a fool? Well I have seen the truth. Yes I have seen the light and I've changed my ways. And I'll be prepared When you're lonely and scared at the end of your days. Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say If they knew you believed in God above? They should realize before they criticise That God is the only way to love. Is your mind so small that you have to fall In with the pack wherever they run? Will you still sneer when death is near And say they may as well worship the sun? I think it was true -it was people like you that crucified Christ. I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced. Will you be so sure when your day is near to say you don't believe? You had the chance but you turned it down now you can't retrieve. Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead & gone Open your eyes, just realize that He is the one. The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate. Or will you still jeer at all you hear? Yes! I think it's too late. LORD OF THIS WORLD",15 " I too, usually wear sunglasses inside my full face helmet to keep dirt & wind out of my contacts. Mumble, mumble, mumble ... ",8 " Well put, Jim. I am as concerned about the media's complicity in this growing coverup. Can you imagine the media outrage, the lawsuits, the investigations that would emit if the government kept the media away from any other story? Particularly if a Republican administration had been behind it. What's going on here? Let's look beyond the initial blunder and examine what happened next. I'm a student of human phychology, particularly in the area of psy-ops because I've found some of the techniques to be useful in business negotiations. That puts me firmly in the amateur ranks. This AMATEUR knows that the first thing to do when sizing up the opponent is to do a psychological profile on him. You can bet your ass the FBI had professionally done profiles on Koresh. Koresh's behavior was emminently predictable. It is typical of people who move away from civilization to be willing to fight to the death to preserve their isolation. It would also be typical, given Koresh's religious orientation, for such an individual to interpret a government assault as the apocalypse. Suicide is as an acceptable alternative to being consumed in the apocalypse. IMHO, the FBI knew all this and decided after 50 days of concentrated psy-ops to initiate that apocalypse. I believe they chose a course of action designed specifically to push Koresh over the edge while publicly appearing to be acting reasonably. They KNEW that Koresh considered the tanks to be the Chariots of Fire mentioned in the Book of Revelations. They KNEW that sending tanks, oops, combat engineering vehicles, obstensibly to perform ""gas insertions"" (love that NewSpeak) WOULD push him over the edge. Look at some supporting evidence. Koresh's attorney mentioned on TV earlier today (4/20) that one of Koresh's major concern was the biblical role of the tanks stationed around the compound. The FBI (through Reno on Larry King last night and at the news conference this morning) claimed to have listening devices in the compound. If that was true they KNEW their actions were driving him to the brink. They KNEW they were pushing the Davidians toward mass suicide. Any rational and reasonable agency NOT interested in killing those people would, at the first sign of preparations for suicide, have pulled completely back and would have gotten rid of all the armor. Instead they continued with the ""gas insertion"" right up to the point where flames appeared. The image that will remain etched in my mind is that of the tank strutting back and forth in front of the burning compound, gloating over the kill. Let's step back and assess how this thing could have been ended without bloodshed. This technique would have required a law enforcement agency interested in constitutionally enforcing the law and in the preservation of life instead of achieving a military victory and of vengence. The way to have nabbed Koresh was simply to have announced a pull back, abandoned the assault, torn down the concertina wire and removed the armor, maintained covert surveillance of the compound and then exploited his ego to flush him out. Exploiting his ego would have been simple. A simple invite or two from the tabloid talk shows to come on TV and tell how he whipped the US government would have been something he could not have resisted. He could have then been nabbed when he left the compound. Simple, clean and safe but because it would have required the FBI to execute a tactical retreat and would have deprived them of the revenge they sought, it was totally out of the question. Not without all that testesterone floating around. After all Jannet Reno had to show the world how big her balls are. Yesterday was a sad, sad day for the American system. I am sick to my very soul. John",16 "My last article included this quote: ""If any substantial number of [ talk.religion.misc ] readers read some Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear. (If they *understood* some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))"" -- Michael L Siemon There is a convention called a `smiley', which looks like this: :-) . It is supposed to look like a sideways smiley-face, and indicates that the preceding comment is supposed to be funny. And, I'll note that I have participated on talk.religion.misc for over five years -- I'd say Mr Siemon was not too far off. 8^) * In the meat of his reply, Mr Boundary serves up an excellent example of what I meant by ""There is no way out of the loop"". I wrote that human brains ""are infested with sin"", and can be trusted only in limited circumstances. Which just moves the problem back one level: how do you tell if your conscience is properly formed? The only way to tell is to presuppose that you are capable of judging the formed-ness of your own conscience. In other words, you can only be sure that your conscience is `properly formed' if you assume that your evaluation can be trusted. Assuming your conclusions saves you a lot of time, I'll grant, but it's not a valid way of reasoning. Unless you are infallible, your judgements about your own thinking cannot be certain. Therefore, it is not possible to be certain your conscience is `properly formed'. (Whatever that is supposed to mean.) Mr Boundary then gives another paradigm example of the problem: The Church is `by necessity' the infallible interpreter of divine revelation? How do you know? Presumably, you believe this because of some argument or another -- how do you know that the argument contains no mistakes? You write: But there is a huge difference between `confidence in our ability to distinguish what is true from what is not true' and `infallible'. I am confident about a lot of things, but absolute certainty is a very long way from `confident'. This discussion is about the arrogance of claiming to be absolutely certain (really, go check the subject line). Saying you are absolutely certain is significantly different than saying you are confident. When you say that you are confident, that invites people to ask why. Except in very limited circumstances, when you say that you are absolutely certain, it invites people to dismiss you as someone who does not have any idea of his own fallibility. I have yet to meet anyone who believed in a knowably-infallible source of truth who would admit the possibility of errors in his reasoning. All of them -- every last one -- has claimed that he was himself infallible. The result has been to convince me that they had no idea what was going on. Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu [This particular discussion may not be entirely relevant to the original criticism. I get the feeling that the original poster regarded as arrogant the very idea that there are right and wrong answers in religion, and that the difference can have eternal consequences. When I say that I think there is a hell and that he is at least in significant danger of ending up there, I will admit that -- as you say -- the reasoning processes I used to reach this are fallible. Thus at least in principle I could be wrong. But these basic facts are clearly enough taught in the Bible that I think it's unlikely that I'm misinterpreting it. (In order to get this level of confidence, I've tried to frame my statement sufficiently carefully as to sidestep a number of the more controversial issues. I haven't, for example said that all non-Christians will definitely end up in hell, and I haven't attempted to describe hell in any detail.) I have a feeling that my view is going to be regarded as arrogant and intolerant even though I acknowledge that I'm fallible and so there's some chance I'm wrong. Don't get me wrong -- I think there are a lot of genuinely arrogant Christians, and often criticism of us is justified. But in at least some cases I think the criticisms constitute blaming the messenger. If the universe is set up so that there are eternal consequences for certain decisions, it's not my fault -- I'm just telling it the way I think it is. You may think God is immoral for setting things up that way. It's one of the critiques of Christianity that I find it most difficult to respond to. But it's not arrogance for me to tell what I think is the truth.",15 " Ah, so you finally found a use for that super slo-mo and frame advance other than scrutinizing ""Sorority Babes in Heat"". Congrats! Trust me, you'd have a helluva time manipulating them. Besides, if you converted the film to video you'd have all kinds of artifacts because of the difference in frame rate (unless you're an expert at doing 3/2 pulldown for a laserdisc company or something). Hey, no fair! What about 'Fettucine' Alfredo Griffin? The guy practically has to pivot the bat around along with his body. Daulton doesn't strike me as all that strange. He's a little bit quiet at the plate but, like Franco, gets the bat through the hitting zone on a level plane. The first time I watched Julio Franco, I didn't think *anyone* could hit like that. Now I marvel at how easy he makes it look; every time he makes contact, it's *solid*. He's got good power to all fields and rarely is he caught not ready for a pitch. I wonder if Phil Plantier had a severe bout with hemorrhoids and had to practice his swing while 'on the throne'? :-) Sure looks like it :-) How 'bout one to add to your list: Travis Fryman? The guy plants his front foot and seems to swing *across* his body. He generates a lot of power, but I keep thinking he could generate even more if he could get a better pivot out of his hips. Well, they're already spoken for (by several people), but .. I'd add Robbie Alomar's name to the list, among others. I really like Dean Palmer's swing, for some twisted reason, as well as Pedro Munoz's swing. A thought about May: It looks like they've taught him to turn on the ball. IMHO, he's going to fall in love with his newfound power and start pulling off the ball to the point that he's going to see *lots* of sinkers/sliders low and away. Unless he adjusts quickly and starts rifling doubles to left and left-center, IMHO you're going to see a good number of weak grounders to the right side of the infield in the next month. ",9 " To Andi, I have to disagree with you about the value of Israeli news sources. If you want to know about events in Palestine it makes more sense to get the news directly from the source. EVERY news source is inherently biased to some extent and for various reasons, both intentional and otherwise. However, the more sources relied upon the easier it is to see the ""truth"" and to discern the bias. Go read or listen to some Israeli media. You will learn more news and more opinion about Israel and Palestine by doing so. Then you can form your own opinions and hopefully they will be more informed even if your views don't change.",17 "A friend of mine called me on the phone and told me he was wathcing CNN and saw a report that the ruling prohibiting AMD from selling their i486 clones has been thrown out, making it legal for AMD to ship in the US. Can anyone out there verify this?",3 " The problem with Commercial Titan is that MM has made little or no attempt to market it. They're basically happy with their government business and don't want to have to learn how to sell commercially. A secondary problem is that it is a bit big. They'd need to go after multi-satellite launches, a la Ariane, and that complicates the marketing task quite significantly. They also had some problems with launch facilities at just the wrong time to get them started properly. If memory serves, the pad used for the Mars Observer launch had just come out of heavy refurbishment work that had prevented launches from it for a year or so. There have been a few CT launches. Mars Observer was one of them. So was that stranded Intelsat, and at least one of its brothers that reached orbit properly.",14 " Finding the circumcenter of a tetrahedron is discussed on page 33 in CONTOURING: A guide to the analysis and display of spatial data, by Dave Watson, Pergamon Press, 1992, ISBN 0 08 040286 0, 321p. Each pair of tetrahedral vertices define a plane which is a perpendicular bisector of the line between that pair. Express each plane in the form Ax + By + Cz = D and solve the set of simultaneous equations from any three of those planes that have a vertex in common (all vertices are used). The solution is the circumcenter. ",1 " Well, if you're going to get upset with this, you might as well direct some of this moral outrage towards Glavcosmos as well. They pioneered this capitalist application of booster adverts long before NASA. (Sign of the times: a Sony logo on a Soyuz launcher...) This sounds like something Lowell Wood would think of. Does anyone know if he's involved? This may be the purpose for the University of Colorado people. My guess is that the purpose for the Livermore people is to learn how to build large, inflatable space structures. If this is true, I think it's a great idea. Learning how to build to build structures in space in an essential step towards space development, and given that Freedom appears to be shrinking towards the vanishing point, I question whether NASA's space station is going to provide much, if any, knowledge in this area. (Especially if a design such as Faget's wingless orbiter is chosen...) If such a project also monitors ozone depletion and demonstrates creative use of (partial) private sector funding in the process -- so much the better. And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the ""wild idea"" stage or does it have real funding? Not yet. Though, if this project goes through, I suppose The Return of Jeremy Rifkin is inevitable... -- _______________________________________________________________________________",14 " I guarantee that if Bonds wins the MVP the Giants will finish higher than 6th. luigi",9 " Hi there I'm suffering from Sarcoidosis at present. Although it's shown as a chronic & rare tissue disorder, it is thankfully NOT life threatening. The very worsed thing that can happen to a non-treated sufferer is glaucoma. My specialists are bombarding me with Prednisolone E.C. (a cortico-steriod) and after four months at 20mg a day, it's totally done away with my enlarged lymph glands, so somethings happening for the good! Cheers Nigel",13 " I don't think they provide homeopaths, heck the heir apparent was trying to promote Osteopaths to the ranks of eligibility a couple of years back... It pleased my family no end, since I'm at an Osteopathic school, sort of validated it for them...then I told them that the name was the same but the practice was different....oh. If you're seeking validation for your philosophy on the strength of the national health service adopting it, I suggest that you are not very sure of the validity of your philosophy. I believe in 1946, the NHS was still having its nurses taught the fine art of ""cupping"", which is the vacuum extraction of intradermal fluids by means of heating a cup, placing it on the afflicted site and allowing it to cool. I wouldn't take my sick daughter to a homeopath. ",13 "I am looking for information about this drive. Switch settings, geometry..etc. Conner CP3204F Please reply via e-mail. Many thanks in advance! ",3 " For the last time, Bobby. Lack of belief in YOUR god does NOT imply atheism. Just because some moslems aren't moral does not mean they don't believe in a god named Allah, although their Allah may not do the things your Allah does. If a moslem says he/she believes that a god exists, he/she is a theist (though maybe not a TRUE follower of islam). Jerk. ",0 "Greetings netters, Steve writes ... Well I have the mother of all locks. On Friday the 16th of April I took possesion of a 12' Cobra Links lock, 1"" diameter. This was a special order. I weighs a lot. I had to carry it home and it was digging into my shoulder after about two blocks. I have currently a Kryptonite Rock Lock through the front wheel, a HD padlock for the steering lock, a Master padlock to lock the cover to two front spokes, and the Cobra Links through the rear swing arm and around a post in an underground parking garage. Next Friday the 30th I have an appointment to have an alarm installed on me bike. When I travel the Cobra Links and the cover and padlock stay at home. By the way. I also removed the plastic mesh that is on the Cobra Links and encased the lock from end to end using bicycle inner tubes (two of them) I got the from bicycle dealer that sold me the Cobra Links. The guys were really great and didn't mark up the price of the lock much and the inner tubes were free. Later. ",8 "tes: First, the only drug that could possibly be put in drug stations are marijuana or its derivitives. Every other drug that I can think of can kill you if you take to much. (By the very nature of these drugs, your decision making skills aren't up to par. That is how it differs from asprin, flinstone vitamins, etc. We don't even allow penicilin to be sold over the counter.) Second, we already have a big enough drunk driving and alchoholic problem in this country. If marijuana were legal, undoubtedly more people would use it, and that IS a problem. People use it, get stupid, and hurt other people.",18 " I don't think you're going to be able to see the differences from a sphere unless they are greatly exaggerated. Even the equatorial bulge is only about 1 part in 300 -- you'd never notice a 1mm error in a 30cm globe -- and the other deviations from spherical shape are much smaller.",14 "You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony. . ",8 " This seems a strange argument to make considering that Canada's violent crime rate in general is far lower than that of the U.S. (Our non-gun crime rate is greater than their *entire* crime rate). It would seem strange to suggest that it, to, were the result of gun control laws. I think if we looked we'd find very specific (cultural and enforcement) reasons why the non-gun rate is low as well, and then that reasons could be applied to the with-gun rates as easily. Aside from the fact that I find the idea of being punished because somebody might steal something from me and go and commit a crime with it a silly solution, it still doesn't address the question of Canada. (Which is now, by the way, blaming their rising gun-crime rate on the U.S. Strange that the border used to ""magically"" keep the guns out, but now isn't.) The other side of the coin, of course, is that far ""illegal drugs"" are purchases legally or stolen from people who purchase them legally. I've still not been convinced that guns, a commodity which criminals have shown their perfectly willing to pay for from illegal sources (stolen either from police, military, or civilian) we wouldn't simply see South American sources from which drugs come start smuggling guns as well, since there's a thriving gun manufacturing industry down there. And as was not pointed out in the study, but in critiques of it, (two seperate articles by James Wright and David Kopel come to mind) it was pointed out that the difference was *also* almost entirely minority related. That is, the gun crime rate skyrocketed for poor minorities (Blacks and Hispanics primarily) while when you compared the white majority they were virutally identical. The problem with the NEJM study was they compared minority vs. non-minority percentages but failed to take into account the relative conditions of those minorities. That there was an eqaul percentage of nomn-whites was about as far as they went. They failed to take into account that the non-whites in either city were not living in the same conditions. If the situation was entirely based on availability of guns, then we'd expect that the white rates, the two groups which are arguably fairly comparative in the two cities, would have a far higher rate in Seattle. Yet the majority in Seattle is not only not significantly higher when the minorities are excluded, but slightly lower. The point is, of course, that many of the U.S. ""inner-city"" problems are not mirrored in Canada. As such if there is a condition which is significantly different in Canada from the U.S., and violent crime is highly correlated to that area, suggesting that gun control is the source of Canada's low rate is highly questionable. (As one Canadian pointed out on talk.politics.guns, Canada's major gun control in 1978 did not result in either a reduction or a slowing of an increase in violent crime rates, which have been rising steadily since. Apparently they didn't even mirror the U.S.s very large drop of violent crime in the early eighties. True only to a certain extent. Take Washington D.C., where gun control was instituted while it had crime problems true, but that crime proceeded to explode afterwards. Similarly for New York. The question is not simply a point in time where crime was high or low. Did the gun control significantly and positively impact violent crime. Since it's gone up in those areas, often faster than it was going up before, you can't simply dismiss the high crime rate by saying gun control was caused by it. Yes, gun control may be instituted to deal with high crime. But if the crime is not positively impacted, you can't continually say that that crime rate was entirely a cause of that gun control, since much of that crime rate increased after gun control was implemented, just as happened in Canada. As would be expected if violent crime was generally independent of gun control. Would this be the laws which made manufacturers liable for what others did with their guns, and suddenly the police found nobody would sell to them?",18 "CB> DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN CB> FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM! Ryan> Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. This is very bad advice. Helmets have two major impact absorbing layers... a hard outer shell and a closed-cell foam impact layer. Most helmets lose their protective properties because the inner liner compacts over time, long before the outer shell is damaged or delaminates from age. Dr. Hurt tested helmets for many years following his landmark study and has estimated that a helmet can lose up to 80% of it's effectiveness from inner liner compression. I have a video he produced that discusses this phenomenon in detail. Puncture compression of the type caused by mirrors, sissy bars, and other relatively sharp objects is the worst offender. Even when the comfort liner is unaffected, dents and holes in the foam can seriously degrade the effectiveness of a helmet. If you are in the habit of ""parking your lid"" on the mirrors, I suggest you look under the comfort liner at the condition of the foam. If it is significantly damaged (or missing :-), replace the helmet.",8 ,11 "Kevin Mitchell's sacrifice fly in the eighth off Brett Saberhagen plated pitch runner Cesar Hernandez to give the Reds a 2-3 come-from-behind victory over New York. Hernandez ran for pinch-hitter Cecil Espy, who got the inning started with a solid single to right, moved to second on ""Bob"" Kelly's infield sneaker down the third-base line, and to third on Jeff Branson's well-placed bunt--a rare show of excellent execution by the recently hapless Reds offense. Cincinnati trailed 2-0 after starter Tim Pugh blinked in the fifth. He had only given up one hit in the first four innings, a fourth-inning lead-off double by Vince Coleman. Coleman was left stranded at third by Bobby Bonilla after Joe Orselak popped to short. Orselak was pinch-hitting for Eddie Murray who argued plate umpire Kellogg's inside strike by ""drawing the line"" (really, he should know better than that). Murray, and later manager Jeff Torborg ended up getting tossed. The Mets' fifth started with a Howard Johnson's first-pitch homer. Pugh must have been slightly shaken, as he was popped on the next pitch by Jeff Kent's single, then a Ryan Thompson liner to left was (surprise) misplayed by Mitchell and turned into a RBI triple. Catcher Hundley's grounder to the drawn-in Branson failed to bring Thompson in, then the play of the game occured: Saberhagen was due up, so Reds pitching coach Larry Rothschild met with the infield to discuss the possibility of a suicide squeeze. They called it perfectly: Thompson was hung out to dry after Pugh's first-pitch pitch out and the threat ended. (Isn't the NATIONAL LEAGUE great??) The Reds picked up 2 runs in the seventh to knot up the game. After Barry Larkin's ground out, Mitchell, Chris Sabo, and Randy Milligan got back-to-back-to-back singles--the third scoring Mitchell. Reggie Sanders then plated Sabo with a long fly to center. A double by Oliver might have scored runner Dan Wilson, but third base coach Dave Bristol threw up the stop sign too late--Wilson himself was hung out to dry killing the Reds rally. Rob Dibble came on in the ninth and pitched shakily. With two outs and a runner on second Bonilla came to the plate and all I could think of was the Sunday game in late August last year when Bonilla's three-run dinger slapped a loss on Dibble and spelled the beginning of the end for Cinci's season. Bonilla ended up walking, and HoJo flied out to left to give the Reds their first win in a week, and earned Dibble his third save in as many opportunities. The win went to Steve Foster (1-2) who got in what must be an ego-boosting two perfect innings work, striking out three. Saberhagen (2-1) got the loss--though I'm a bit surprised he even pitched in the eighth. I'll take it, though. The Reds are now 3-9, still the worst team in baseball with the Royals victory today. The Mets are 6-5. The Line: New York Mets AB R H K BB LO -----------------------------------------------|---------------------------- Coleman lf 4 0 1 0 0 0 Fernandez ss 4 0 0 1 0 0 Murray 1b 1 0 0 0 0 0 Orselak ph/rf 3 0 1 0 0 0 Bonilla rf/1b 3 0 0 2 1 1 Johnson 3b 3 1 1 1 0 2 Kent 2b 3 1 1 1 0 0 Thompson cf 3 0 1 1 0 0 Hundley c 3 0 0 2 0 0 Saberhagen p 3 0 0 0 0 0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Totals 30 2 5 8 1 3 HR-Johnson (off Pugh, leading off fifth, 0-0 pitch) 3b-Thompson (off Pugh, in fifth, 0 out, 1 RBI, picked-off) 2b-Coleman (off Pugh, in fourth, 0 out, 0 on, stranded at third) RBI-Johnson, Thompson Cincinnati Reds AB R H K BB LO -----------------------------------------------|---------------------------- Kelly cf 4 0 1 0 0 0 Branson 2b 3 0 1 0 0 0 Larkin ss 3 0 0 0 1 0 Mitchell lf 3 1 1 0 0 0 Dibble p 0 0 0 0 0 0 Sabo 3b 4 1 1 1 0 2 Milligan 1b 3 0 3 0 0 0 Wilson pr/c 0 0 0 0 0 0 Sanders rf 2 0 0 0 0 1 Oliver c/1b 3 0 1 1 0 1 Pugh p 1 0 0 1 0 0 Roberts ph 1 0 0 1 0 0 Foster p 0 0 0 0 0 0 Espy ph 1 0 1 0 0 0 Hernandez pr/lf 0 1 0 0 0 0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Totals 28 3 9 4 1 5 (*) (*) Oliver was stranded in the seventh after his double when Wilson was run down. 2b Oliver (off Saberhagen, 2 out, runner on first, stranded) RBI-Milligan, Sanders, and Mitchell Sac-Branson SF-Sanders and Mitchell IBB-Larkin GDP-Larkin New York 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 0 ---- 2-5-0 Cincinnati 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 x ---- 3-9-0 Pitching IP R ER H K BB NEW YORK Saberhagen (L 2-1) 8 3 3 9 4 1 CINCINNATI Pugh 6 2 2 4 4 0 Foster (W 1-2) 2 0 0 0 3 0 Dibble (S 3) 1 0 0 1 1 1 PB- Wilson Ejected-Murray, Torborg Umps-Kellogg/Relliford/Runge/DeMuth Attendance 32,435 T- 2:23 Coming up: The Reds travel to Pittsburgh for three then continue on into Chicago for three. Next game is Tuesday at 7:35, expected to pitch are Belcher (0-1) vs. Tomlin (0-0). ",9 " Really? Why are so you worried about high school kids ""getting their kicks"" with scanners, as compared to what the feds can do, and have done, to their targets? ""Better than the status quo"" isn't good enough, I'd say. The same technology could be implemented WITHOUT a back door open to the state. We all know about power and corruption. But we all know that abuse is something that only happens to the other guy. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John Hesse | A man, jhesse@netcom.com | a plan, Moss Beach, Calif | a canal, Bob.",11 "Hi there again... I still have a few tapes left... As before they are $2.50 each (postage paid). Multiple orders appreciated, but not necessary... Package deals welcome... Thanks... Chris Bray",6 " In many places, Christians were sucessful in their attempts to get the films banned, or at least given a very restrictive showing. I have no problem with Christians burning their own pieces of art (though I find it a tragic waste). I do however have a problem with their attempts to censor what I may or may not view. P.",15 " I sold my '86 Sprint last April with 95k on it. I'd driven it since the previous July, putting 20k miles on it. The sensor light used to light up regularly, starting about 5k miles after I bought it. My brother and I rebuilt the engine but used all of the original equipment, so I suppose the sensor could have used replacement. Performance (hah, if you could call it that) did not change. Perhaps emissions increased, but how much emissions could a CA-registered 3 cylinder engine produce? That was a neat car, I held the engine block easily in one hand! Has anyone ever driven the 'Turbo' variant? Just curious...",7 " In the game *I* have seen yesterday in the Olympiahalle of Munich Canada won 4-1 against Sweden! The last goal for Canada was at 19:59 in the 3rd period. Maybe you shouldn't go and get you another beer before the game is over and then post imaginary results... Holger ",10 "Hi! I'd like to switch my floppy drives so that my 3.5"" b: drive becomes a:, while my 5.25"" a: becomes b:. I'm having a few problems, though. I know that the ribbon cable must be switched, as well as the CMOS settings, to reflect this change, and I think that I've done that correctly. However, the drives do not operate correctly in this configuration. From the C:> prompt, if I type a:, the 5.25"" drive light comes on; if I type b:, both the light for the 5.25"" and 3.5"" drives come on. There are some jumpers on each drive: 5.25"" Label Original Pos. Pos. I changed it to DS0 ON OFF DS1 OFF ON DS2 ON ON DS3 OFF OFF IO OFF OFF MS1 OFF OFF D-R ON ON MS2 ON ON FG OFF OFF 3.5"" DS0 OFF ON DS1 ON OFF DS2 OFF OFF DS3 OFF OFF MM ON ON DC ON ON MD OFF OFF TTL/C-MO8 ON ON Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.",3 " Roger? Lecture someone on not using smileys? What sweet hipocracy... KOZ",10 " No. As soon as you blit two of this icons once on top of the other with a little dislocation, you see the rectangular blit crashes too much of the icon first blitted, because it draws a full rectangle. The way to do it is masking: Create a bitmap with all pixels to be merged are 1 and all not to be merged are 0. Then, set the clip_mask of the gc to this bitmap, set the clip_x_origin and clip_y_origin of the gc to the x/y coordinates where you blit the icon to the destination drawable, use GXCopy, and XCopyArea() the icon pixmap to the destination drawable using this gc. ",5 " ^^^ Wow! Courses in Georgia are much cheaper. $85 for both. The list looks good, but I'd also add: Heavy Boots (work, hiking, combat, or similar) $45",8 " I doubt this is a Quadra-specific problem. I had to get rid of my ""venerable"" Bernoulli 20 last year (with enough cartridges purchased at ~$90 each to make the whole thing worth more than my whole computer ;). The tech support guys at Ocean Microsystems suggested that some third-party drivers might fix the problem - in my case the cartridges wouldn't format/mount/partition for A/UX. 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The festival > of Easter may possibly have some historical association with > some pagan festival, but *today* there are, as far as I know, > no Christians who *intend* to honor any kind of ""pagan > goddess"" by celebrating Easter.",15 " If the tire has a leak you should fix it. Doesn't work too well if the engine is hot, its more accurate to check the oil when the engine is cool, i.e. not when you are at a gas station.",7 "Why don't you just run one LED at 60 KHz and use a flip flop at the receiving end to divide by 2 and give you a good square 30KHz signal. Just a thought. LORI ",12 "Archive-name: space/launchers Last-modified: $Date: 93/04/01 14:39:11 $ ORBITAL AND PLANETARY LAUNCH SERVICES The following data comes from _International Reference Guide to Space Launch Systems_ by Steven J. Isakowitz, 1991 edition. Notes: * Unless otherwise specified, LEO and polar paylaods are for a 100 nm orbit. * Reliablity data includes launches through Dec, 1990. Reliabity for a familiy of vehicles includes launches by types no longer built when applicable * Prices are in millions of 1990 $US and are subject to change. * Only operational vehicle families are included. Individual vehicles which have not yet flown are marked by an asterisk (*) If a vehicle had first launch after publication of my data, it may still be marked with an asterisk. Vehicle | Payload kg (lbs) | Reliability | Price | Launch Site (nation) | LEO Polar GTO | | | (Lat. & Long.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ariane 35/40 87.5% Kourou (ESA) (5.2 N, 52.8 W) AR40 4,900 3,900 1,900 1/1 $65m (10,800) (8,580) (4,190) AR42P 6,100 4,800 2,600 1/1 $67m (13,400) (10,600) (5,730) AR44P 6,900 5,500 3,000 0/0 ? $70m (15,200) (12,100) (6,610) AR42L 7,400 5,900 3,200 0/0 ? $90m (16,300) (13,000) (7,050) AR44LP 8,300 6,600 3,700 6/6 $95m (18,300) (14,500) (8,160) AR44L 9,600 7,700 4,200 3/4 $115m (21,100) (16,900) (9,260) * AR5 18,000 ??? 6,800 0/0 $105m (39,600) (15,000) [300nm] Atlas 213/245 86.9% Cape Canaveral (USA) (28.5 N, 81.0W) Atlas E -- 820 -- 15/17 $45m Vandeberg AFB (1,800) (34.7 N, 120.6W) Atlas I 5,580 4,670 2,250 1/1 $70m (12,300) (10,300) (4,950) Atlas II 6,395 5,400 2,680 0/0 $75m (14,100) (11,900) (5,900) Atlas IIA 6,760 5,715 2,810 0/0 $85m (14,900) (12,600) (6,200) * Atlas IIAS 8,390 6,805 3,490 0/0 $115m (18,500) (15,000) (7,700) Delta 189/201 94.0% Cape Canaveral (USA) Vandenberg AFB Delta 6925 3,900 2,950 1,450 14/14 $45m (8,780) (6,490) (3,190) Delta 7925 5,045 3,830 1,820 1/1 $50m (11,100) (8,420) (2,000) Energia 2/2 100% Baikonur (Russia) (45.6 N 63.4 E) Energia 88,000 80,000 ??? 2/2 $110m (194,000) (176,000) H series 22/22 100% Tangeshima (Japan) (30.2 N 130.6 E) * H-2 10,500 6,600 4,000 0/0 $110m (23,000) (14,500) (8,800) Kosmos 371/377 98.4% Plestek (Russia) (62.8 N 40.1 E) Kosmos 1100 - 1350 (2300 - 3000) $??? Kapustin Yar [400 km orbit ??? inclination] (48.4 N 45.8 E) Long March 23/25 92.0% Jiquan SLC (China) (41 N 100 E) * CZ-1D 720 ??? 200 0/0 $10m Xichang SLC (1,590) (440) (28 N 102 E) Taiyuan SLC CZ-2C 3,200 1,750 1,000 12/12 $20m (41 N 100 E) (7,040) (3,860) (2,200) CZ-2E 9,200 ??? 3,370 1/1 $40m (20,300) (7,430) * CZ-2E/HO 13,600 ??? 4,500 0/0 $??? (29,900) (9,900) CZ-3 ??? ??? 1,400 6/7 $33m (3,100) * CZ-3A ??? ??? 2,500 0/0 $???m (5,500) CZ-4 4,000 ??? 1,100 2/2 $???m (8,800) (2,430) Pegasus/Taurus 2/2 100% Peg: B-52/L1011 (USA) Taur: Canaveral Pegasus 455 365 125 2/2 $10m or Vandenberg (1,000) (800) (275) * Taurus 1,450 1,180 375 0/0 $15m (3,200) (2,600) (830) Proton 164/187 87.7% Baikonour (Russia) Proton 20,000 ??? 5,500 164/187 $35-70m (44,100) (12,200) SCOUT 99/113 87.6% Vandenberg AFB (USA) Wallops FF SCOUT G-1 270 210 54 13/13 $12m (37.9 N 75.4 W) (600) (460) (120) San Marco (2.9 S 40.3 E) * Enhanced SCOUT 525 372 110 0/0 $15m (1,160) (820) (240) Shavit 2/2 100% Palmachim AFB (Israel) ( ~31 N) Shavit ??? 160 ??? 2/2 $22m (350) Space Shuttle 37/38 97.4% Kennedy Space (USA) Center Shuttle/SRB 23,500 ??? 5,900 37/38 $248m (28.5 N 81.0 W) (51,800) (13,000) [FY88] * Shuttle/ASRM 27,100 ??? ??? 0/0 (59,800) SLV 2/6 33.3% SHAR Center (India) (400km) (900km polar) (13.9 N 80.4 E) ASLV 150 ??? ??? 0/2 $???m (330) * PSLV 3,000 1,000 450 0/0 $???m (6,600) (2,200) (990) * GSLV 8,000 ??? 2,500 0/0 $???m (17,600) (5,500) Titan 160/172 93.0% Cape Canaveral (USA) Vandenberg Titan II ??? 1,905 ??? 2/2 $43m (4,200) Titan III 14,515 ??? 5,000 2/3 $140m (32,000) (11,000) Titan IV/SRM 17,700 14,100 6,350 3/3 $154m-$227m (39,000) (31,100) (14,000) Titan IV/SRMU 21,640 18,600 8,620 0/0 $???m (47,700) (41,000) (19,000) Vostok 1358/1401 96.9% Baikonur (Russia) [650km] Plesetsk Vostok 4,730 1,840 ??? ?/149 $14m (10,400) (4,060) Soyuz 7,000 ??? ??? ?/944 $15m (15,400) Molniya 1500kg (3300 lbs) in ?/258 $???M Highly eliptical orbit ",14 " >It seems that conservatives are putting a lot of effort into >showing up the 10% figure, but that really doesn't make a >difference. Like I said, who cares how many there are? Would >the fact that they're only 1% of the population justify >discrimination against them? I don't think so. Uh, well, Golly Gee Whiz. Let me see, when the new President, as his first big ""policy act"" tries to force homosexuals (acceptance thereof) on the military, despite polls showing a consistent 75%+ against it, and the minority is only 1%, well, gee, I sure think that is newsworthy. Tells you something about the fascist politics being practiced .... -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh?",18 "Hi everyone, I have a question regarding my stack on my pc. I am programming in Turbo C 3.0 and my program is rather large (model large too). I keep getting errors that I am running out of memory after a while of running the program. When I compile the program, it says I have 4.45 meg of RAM so I can't seem to explain why it crashes. All it is doing is running in a loop while the operator is idle and after a while of sitting, it will screw up all the variables. This leads me to believe that my stack is filling up and overflowing. Does the program take memory up when it is calling void functions that do not return anything?? I have been working on this problem for days and I would really appreciate any responce. If this is not the correct newsgroup, I will gladly re-post, but this is the only I could find.",3 "If you think you have kidney stones or your doctor tells you that you do, DEFINITELY follow up on it. My sister was diagnosed with kidney stones 1 1/2 years ago and given medication to take to dissolve them. After that failed and she continued to be in great pain, they decided she had endometriosis. When they did exploratory surgery, they discovered she had a tumor, which turned out to be rhabdomyosarcoma -- a very rare and agressive cancer. I realize this is not what happens in the majority of cases, but you never know what can happen and shouldn't take chances! ",13 "<< < For example: why does the universe exist at all? >Now let me get this straight. After a nice, long rant about -> >how people need to take personal responsibility for their -> >economic and social lives, all of a sudden 1960's radicals -> >(such as me, I guess) are responsible for poor people's -> >lifestyles? Tell me how that works--or do you think that poor -> >people are just too dumb to think for themselves? -> > -> >There are many reasons for the disintegration of the family -> >and support systems in general among this nation's poor. -> >Somehow I don't think Murphy Brown--or Janis Joplin--is at -> >the top of any sane person's list. -> > -> >You want to go after my generation's vaunted cultural -> >revolution for a lasting change for the worse, try so-called -> >""relevant"" or ""values"" education. Hey, it seemed like a good -> >idea at the time. How were we to know you needed a real -> >education first--I mean, we took that for granted. -> -> The 1960's generation were the most spoiled and irresponsible. -> -> The Depression had create mothers and fathers that were determined that their -> kids would not want for anything -- going overboard and creating a nation of -> brats. -> -> Consider the contrast between two famous events in July of 1969. -> -> Apollo 11 and Woodstock. -> -> Which group had large numbers of people that could not feed themselves and -> reverted to the cultural level of primitives (defecation in public etc.). -> -> And which group assembled, took care of itself, and dispersed with no damage, -> no deaths, no large numbers of drug problems .... -> Wasn't Woodstock also called the biggest parking lot in history? They rejected society and went back to nature in their parent's cars.",18 " Would you say the same thing about the Dodgers in '65 or '66? True, Cone is probably as good as Drysdale, and they have no Koufax, but still, these teams were winning with home run leaders who had very bad totals, with lots of low-scoring games, etc. And they didn't use relievers, whereas Jeff Montgomery is having a super season for them. That being said, I still picked them 5th or so, but I think a superb pitching team can win if they have enough hitting. There's more of a chance of that, I think, than of a team with tremendous hitting but no pitching. At least, to me. I wonder, though - which one do you people think would do better - a team with Johnson, Koufax in his prime, Seaver, Carlton, and Young, in no real order, as the starters, with Sutter, Fingers, and Lyle in the bullpen, but with a puny offense (assuming good defense, like Mazeroski, Maranville, etc.) Or a team with poor pitching, but with an offense of Cobb, Carew, Ruth, Gehrig, Mays, Schmidt, Wagner, and Bench - again,you pick the order. I would postulate that the pitching one would be several games better by seasons' end. Even the best hitters can succeed only 2/5 of the time in their best years, but a great pitcher can throw lots of shutouts - taking all the players in their prime, they might throw 50 shutouts in a year. And all the offense would have to do is get 1 run across. I wonder if someone with Stratomatic or something could plug such all- time teams into a regular season, have it played, and report the results I would love to see that.",9 " Some recent postings remind me that I had read about risks associated with the barbecuing of foods, namely that carcinogens are generated. Is this a valid concern? If so, is it a function of the smoke or the elevated temperatures? Is it a function of the cooking elements, wood or charcoal vs. lava rocks? I wish to know more. Thanks. ",13 " Well, yes. That was a part of my point. Aspirin has its problems, but in some situations it is useful. Ditto stuff like licorice root. Taking anything as a drug for theraputic purposes implicitly carries the idea of taking a dose where the benefits are not exceeded by any unwanted, additional effects. Taking any drug when the potential ill-effects are not known is a risk assumed by the parties involved, and it may be that in a given situation the risk is worthwhile. Like Prozac, for instance; Prozac has been shown to be theraputic in some cases where the tri-cyclics fail. But Prozac hasn't been in use that long, and it really isn't clear what if any effects it may have when taken over long periods of time, even though it has been tested by present day standards. Should Prozac be taken off the market because long-term effects, if any, are not known? IMHO, i'd say no. euclid ",13 "Hello All, Goucher College will soon be retiring a MicroVax II, world case, 2 70MB Hard Drives, 16 port I/O, 2 MB (maybe 4MB) system memory. Any idea as to how much we can expect to get for this machine on the open market?? Please reply privately to: tim.marshall%goucher@wb3ffv.ampr.org Thanks in advance.....",6 " I would suggest Draw for Windows (by Micrografx). I have this on my home box. Its quite impressive and only cost UKL100. It has a rather nice clip-art library facility which you can expand with your own drawings. There is no circuit component clip-art included, but you could add your own quite easily. It works with any Windows printer driver of course, and can also export embedded postscript and PCX files. Note: I am not connected with Micrografx in any way. Paul.",12 " Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US) destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world countries - but not the US!",7 " ( in <1993Apr16.163729.867@batman.bmd.trw.com> ) ( responding to Dave ""First With Official A.A Nickname"" Fuller ) [ ... ] That means that it is an effective anti-recidivism measure. It does not say that it deters an individual from committing a capital crime in the first place. The true question is whether the threat of death is likely to actually stop one from murdering. (Or commiting treason -- are there any other capital crimes anywhere in the USA?) That is, if there were no death penalty, would its introduction deter a would-be criminal from committing her/his crime? I doubt it. This is only the first step. Even if it were a strong deterrent (short of being a complete deterrent) I would reject it. For what about the case of the innocent executed? And even if we could eliminate this possibility, I would reject the death penalty as immoral. This makes me something of a radical on the issue, although I think there are many opponents of captial punishment who agree with me, but who find the innocent executed the strongest argument to make. I would, if magically placed in charge, facilitate state-aided suicide for criminals who have life-sentences. This could be a replacement for capital punishment. Those who don't want to live the rest of their lives in jail would always have this option.",0 "a e e GT (5sp of course)",7 " These substitutes exist, and at this time are available. Its the future availability that is in doubt. 1) GHG-12 Get it from People's Welding Supply 800-382-9006 2) butane/propane You can mix this yourself so no one can ever regulate it away. Just make sure you use good quality (dry) gases. I don't know of any 200mpg carb distributors :-)",7 "For Sale: Fujitsu 324meg SCSI drive. $450 Maxtor 338meg ESDI drive. $425 Maxtor 160meg ESDI drive. $225 Toshiba 106meg IDE drive. $175 XT case & motherboard. $50 DTC 16-bit MFM 2HD 2FD controler. $30 All items are used, in full working condition, and have a warranty for one week unless otherwise specified. All prices are %100 negotiable, shipping not included. Wanted: Developers kit for SB 17"" SVGA moniters (two of them). ",6 "The traditions of the church hold that all the ""apostles"" (meaning the 11 surviving disciples, Matthias, Barnabas and Paul) were martyred, except for John. ""Tradition"" should be understood to read ""early church writings other than the bible and heteroorthodox scriptures"".",0 " Of course its possible, I get 1024x768 on my Centris 650. All you need is a correctly wired video cable. Gary -- ",4 "I Love it how all of these people are ""blaming"" the Phillies success on a weak division. Why don't we look at the record of the teams in each division (READ: Inter-Divisional Play), we'll see that the East is really kicking the shit out of the West. I know it is early, but that is all we have to go on. Atlanta is just so strong with their .188 BA, Cincinnati is 2-7 coming off a sweep at Veteran's Stadium in Philadelphia, and Houston was swept in it's first three games by the Phillies in the Astrodome. That, my Western Division friends, shows that the three best teams in your division may not be as strong as you think!! PHILS ALL THE WAY IN '93 BRAVES HIT LIKE A AAA CLUB REDS NEED MARGE",9 "(1) Is it possible to change the icons in the program groups? I'd like to give them some individuality. (2) Can you set up a short-cut key to return to the Program Manager? I know , will do it, but I'd rather set it up so I can avoid the task list and get back to the P/M with . Any and all help is welcomed. ",2 "Had a deal with Jay Hayes from Deleware and was ripped off do not deal with this guy and if you know him go to his door with a bat! He lives in Deleware and I will post his full address later as well as his phone number in case any on e else wants to call and leave nasty messages. He will not return email and he will not return my phone calls I left a message iwth hgis roomate to call collect and hes not man enough. He still maintains net privilages, can we somehow get this turkey off the net.",6 "Has anyone used a Hercules Graphite adapter? It looks good on paper, and Steve Gibson gave it a very good review in Infoworld. I'd love to get a real-world impression, though -- how is the speed? Drivers? Support? (Looking for something to replace this ATI Ultra+ with...) ",2 "Hi Folks. As part of my self-introduction to X I've been trying to do some simple icon animation (sort of like icondoit from mswindows). Changing your own applications icon is fairly simple: If you have a widget ID you can just XtSetValues on XtNiconifyPixmap (or whatever) and you're done. Alternately you can set window manager hints. These methods don't seem to work with icons which your application doesn't specifically own. In my situation I have to change the icon of random windows sitting there in my icon box so my question is: Given a window-id, how do you change the icon pixure ? A working example would be very much appreciated. If it makes any difference, I'm using motif 1.1 on VMS T6.0-5KE.",5 " >evidence of the 'yeast connection', I cannot guarantee their safety. >For their incompetence, ripping off their lips is justified as far as >I am concerned. This doesn't sound like Candida Albicans to me.",13 "From article , by tombaker@world.std.com (Tom A Baker): My understanding is that the 'expected errors' are basically known bugs in the warning system software - things are checked that don't have the right values in yet because they aren't set till after launch, and suchlike. Rather than fix the code and possibly introduce new bugs, they just tell the crew 'ok, if you see a warning no. 213 before liftoff, ignore it'.",14 " But you still need the pitching staff to hold the opposing team to one run.",9 " To construct a Kirlian device find a copy of _Handbook of Psychic Discoveries_ by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder 1975 Library of Congress 73-88532. It describes the necessary equipment and suppliers for the Tesla coil or alternatives, the copper plate and setup. I used a pack of SX-70 film and removed a single pack in a dark room, then made the exposure, put it back in the film pack and ran it out through the rollers of the camera forinstant developing and very high quality. It is a good way to experience what Kirlian Photography is really and what it is not. As you know all ready, it is the pattern in the bioplasmic energy fieldthat is significant. Variations caused by exposure time, distance from the plate, or pressure on the plate, or variations in the photo materials are not important.",13 " [Excellent discussion of DC-X landing techniques by Henry deleted] The DC-X will not take of horizontally. It takes of vertically. For several reasons. Vertical landings don't require miles of runway and limit noise pollution. They don't require wheels or wings. Just turn on the engines and touch down. Of course, as Henry pointed out, vetical landings aren't quite that simple. Well, to be blunt, yes. But at least you're learning. The Soyuz vehicles use parachutes for the descent and then fire small rockets just before they hit the ground. Parachutes are, however, not especially practical if you want to reuse something without much effort. The landings are also not very comfortable. However, in the words of Georgy Grechko, ""I prefer to have bruises, not to sink."" ",14 "I've been looking into getting a portable Mac to do some work and I've had my eye on the PB 100. Lately, I've been seeing people with the old portables, and they're selling for $300 LESS that the PB 100s. What I want to know is: what are the differences between them? All I know is that the Portable is heavier, but the PB100 doesn't have an internal drive. Here's what I NEED to know: Does the portable support Appletalk/network connections? What's the CPU inside a Portable? (68000?) DOES THE PORTABLE SUPPORT SYSTEM 7????????? What's the maximum memory capacity of the Portable? Can you still get RAM (meaning: does it use special SIMMS?) What kind of internal HD does it use? Does the Portable have a better screen? THANX in advance.",4 "I have tickets for the TB Giants and I was wondering if anybody familiar with the stadium could tell me where Section 15 in the lower level is located. Please e-mail the response, Thanks, Rich",9 "I have two questions: 1) I have been having troubles with my Wordperfect for Windows. When I try to select and change fonts, etc. some of the text disappears. I tried to center two lines once, and the second line disappeared. I can not find the error, and I do not know how to correct it. 2) Is this the right newsgroup? Where should I go? E-mail prefered... _____ Who else is still waiting for ""Naked Gun Part (Pi) | | """,2 " >In article phil@netcom.com (Phil > >>Libertarians want the State out of our lives. >> >>NAMBLA members want to fuck little boys. >> >>NOW do you get it? >> >I see! Libertarians want to have the right to fuck little >children of either sex, and want to make sure everyone else >has this right too. NAMBLA just wants to have the right to >fuck little boys. > >>Or are you just a secret member of NAMBLA? >> >You're the one who suddenly seems to be defending the right >to fuck children. How many little girls have you raped today, >Phil? > >If wanting to abolish the age of consent is not repectable, >it is not respectable for anyone. Hmm, you still don't get it. Then again, I'm not posting from a University where the hue and cry was raised against ""Jewish physics"". Tell me, committed any anti-semitic acts today? What kind of boots do you wear? And still -- Libertarians want the State out of their lives. Parents are very capable of protecting their children against the predations of pedophiles, which, BTW, you still haven't disassociated yourself from. Are you, or are you not, a member of NAMBLA? -- There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of environmental disaster. Weird, eh?",18 " It can be painless, so it isn't cruel. And, it has occurred frequently since the dawn of time, so it is hardly unusual. But, innocents die due to many causes. Why have you singled out accidental or false execution as the one to take issue with?",0 " I tell you, Steve Stone is like a prophet. He must be making a ton in the boradcoast booth because I can't understand why he's not actually back in the game itself. The other day he called Sosa's homerun against the Sox and claimed the game would be going into extra innings when the score was 8-3 in the 5th. So yesterday he notices that Sosa's ahead in the count against Maddux and says, ""This is a fastball situation and Sosa will be looking for it. But this is also the spot where Maddux throws the straight change."" Sure enough. Sosa gets ahead on it and pops it up to the infield. Stoney for Cubs manager!",9 "THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary _________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 5, 1993 PUBLIC SCHEDULE OF THE PRESIDENT TUESDAY, APRIL 6, 1993 11:15 AM EST PRESIDENT CLINTON DELIVERS REMARKS with Egyptian President Mubarek, the East Room, The White House Open Press FUTURE SCHEDULE OF THE PRESIDENT APRIL 16, 1993 PRESIDENT CLINTON MEETS with Japanese Prime Minister Miyazawa, the White House ",18 "ITEM: Sony ES-CDPX229* CONDITION: excellent AGE: 1 year old PRICE: $300 *includes TOS.LINK ITEM: Sony CDP 770 CONDITION: excellent AGE: 2.5 years old PRICE: $250 Everything comes with the original packaging and manuals. These items have only been played through audiophile system and are in excellent shape. If you are interested, or need any additional information, please e-mail (pc1o@andrew.cmu.edu) or call me at home. Thanks, Jon (412) 882-6425",6 "The recent rise of nostalgia in this group, combined with the incredible level of utter bullshit, has prompted me to comb through my archives and pull out some of ""The Best of Alt.Atheism"" for your reading pleasure. I'll post a couple of these a day unless group concensus demands that I stop, or I run out of good material. I haven't been particularly careful in the past about saving attributions. I think the following comes from John A. Johnson, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. This is probably the longest of my entire collection. ________________________________________________________ So that the Prophecy be Fulfilled * * * In considering the Christian religion, and judging it according to its claims, it is important to look at its claims at fulfilling earlier Jewish prophecy. The scribe Matthew is perhaps the most eager to draw out what he thinks are prophetic answers in the career of Jesus of Nazareth. As you will see, Matthew's main strategy is to take various Old Testament passages, often not even about the promised Messiah, and apply them to the circumstances in the New Testament. We must also bear in mind the question of the authenticity of the accounts. Since the gospels were written at least 35 years after Jesus was executed, we do not know how much happened exactly as stated. But, for purposes of analysis, we will take particular claims at face value. Immanuel: We begin, of course, at the beginning. (Mt 1.21-22): ""[Mary] will bear a son, and you, Joseph, will name him 'Jesus' (which means G'd is salvation), for he will save his people from their sins."" All this happened to fulfil what the lord had spoken by a prophet: [Isaiah 7.1-16]: In the days of Ahaz (c. 750 BCE), king of Judah, Rezin of Syria and Pekah of Israel made war on Jerusalem (capitol of Judah), but could not quite conquer it. When the house of David (i.e. Ahaz and his court in Judah) were told of this, ...its heart and the heart of its people shook... And, the lord G'd said to Isaiah, ""go to meet with Ahaz..."" ...And the lord spoke to Ahaz (through prophet Isaiah, naturally) saying, ""Ask a sign of G'd your lord. It can be as deep as Sheol or as high as heaven."" But, Ahaz said, ""I won't ask; I will not put the lord to a test."" Then (Isaiah) said, ""Hear then, O house of David. Is it not enough for you to weary men, that you must weary my god too? Therefore, the lord himself will give you a sign: Behold, a young woman is with child and will bear a son, and name him ""Immanuel,"" which means, ""G'd is with us."" He will eat curds and honey when he knows how to refuse evil and choose good. For, before the child knows how to refuse evil and choose good, the land of the two kings you dread will have been deserted... Matthew homes in on just the sentence that is in italics. Further, he the Hebrew word ""almah,"" (young woman), as specifically, ""virgin."" But, this is not a prophecy about the Messiah. It is not a prophecy about an event to happen 750 years later. It is not a prophecy about a virgin (bethulah) mother. In short, it not about Jesus. Matthew has made use of a verse out of context, and tries to make it fit the specific case of Mary. It should be noted that if we want to read the prophecy in a general manner, a very general one, it can be made to fit Mary. Mary, virgin or not, was indeed a young woman with child. Of course, the fit is shady and has problems. Jesus, while thought of by later Christians to be G'd walking among men, was never called by the name, Immanuel. If Christianity wished to claim this prophecy for Jesus, it becomes at best a cut-and-paste prophecy... a second class prophecy. Not too convincing. Egypt: After Jesus's birth in Bethlehem, Matthew tells about a quick (and elsewhere unmentioned) excursion to Egypt, as if he wishes to liken Jesus to Moses. This was done to escape an alleged infanticidal rampage of the king, Herod. [Mt 2.15] ...and remained there until the death of Herod. This was to fulfil what the lord had spoken: ""Out of Egypt I have cal-led my son."" What the lord really said was this. [Hosea 11.1] When Israel was a child, I loved him. And, out of Egypt I called my son. The more I called them (my people), the more they went from me; they kept sacrificing to the Ba'als, and kept burning incense to idols. Matthew conveniently omits the rest of Hosea's oracle. But, it was indeed Israel that, once called out of Egypt, wanted to return. This is history. Jesus is certainly not being spoken of here. And, if we are to draw some kind of parallel here, we wind up with a Jesus that flees and resists G'd. Again, this prophecy is just not as convincing as Matthew probably had hoped. Rachel Weeps: While Jesus is off vacationing in Egypt, Matthew says that King Herod sought to kill him, and thus ordered the executions of all young male children. Matthew then writes, [Mt 2.17-18] By this, that which was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah was fulfilled: ""A voice was heard in Ramah, wailing and loud lamentation-- Rachel weeping for her children; she refused to be consoled, because they were no more."" The reference is to a passage in Jeremiah 31.15, referring to the carrying off of Israel into exile by Sargon (of Assyria) in 722 BCE. Rachel, the ancestor of the major tribes of Israel, Ephraim, and Manasseh, is said to weep for her descendants who are ""no more."" It is metaphorical, of course, since Rachel lived and dies before the Hebrews were even in the Egyptian exile. It is interesting to note that it was Leah, not Rachel, who was the ancestor of the Judeans (the land where Jesus and Bethlehem were). If anyone should do weeping for her ""children,"" it is Leah. The only connexion that Rachel has with Bethlehem is that the legends have it that she was buried north of the city, ""on the way to Ephrath, (Bethlehem)."" As for Herod and his infanticide, it is rather unlikely that such an event actually occurred. One never knows, but the event is not mentioned or alluded to anywhere else in the Bible, nor is it mentioned in any of the secular records of the time. Herod was particularly unliked in his reign, and many far less evil deeds of Herod were carefully recorded. This might be a prime example of how events were added to Jesus's life to enhance the message of the church's gospel. Because of the whole story's similarity to the tale of the infant Moses in Egypt, it is highly likely that it is a device set up by Matthew to add prophetic, yet artificial, approval of Jesus. It is not surprising that Matthew conveniently neglects to mention the rest of the Jeremiah quote. The ""children"" the prophet speaks of are not dead, but exiled in the Assyrian Empire. G'd comforts the weeping Rachel, saying that the children will be returned-- he will gather them back together. Of course, this would not suit Matthew's purpose, as the children he speaks of are dead for good. Again, the ""prophecy"" Matthew sets up is not even that, and to anyone who bothers to check it out, is not too convincing. The Nazarene: We do not even have to go to the next chapter to find another Matthean prophecy. After leaving Egypt, Joseph & wife take the infant Jesus to live in the city of Nazareth, [Mt 2.23] ...that what was spoken of by the prophets might be fulfilled, ""He shall be called a Nazarene."" First thing we notice is that Matthew does not mention the name of the prophet(s) this time. Second, we have to ask who ""He"" is. There are no Messianic prophecies speaking of a Nazarene. Worse, there are no prophecies, period, mentioning a Nazarene. Still worse, there are no Nazarenes mentioned in the Old Testament at all. In the book of Judges, an angel tells Samson's mother that she will, [Judges 13.5] ""...conceive and bear a son. No razor shall tough his head, for he will be a Nazirite to his god from the day of his birth. He will deliver Israel from the hands of the Philistines."" This is of course not a prophecy of Jesus, or the messiah of G'd. But, it is the best that can be found. Obviously, Matthew has begun to go overboard in cut-and-paste prophecies, in that he is simple making them up now. Bearing our Diseases: Jesus next goes around healing people of physical illnesses and disabilities. [Mt 8.17] This was to fulfil what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah, ""He took our infirmities and bore our diseases."" As expected, the verse quoted in Isaiah is quoted out of context, and a few words are skewed to fit the Christian scheme. We have, [Is 53.4] Surely he, [the suffering servant], has borne our sickness, and carried our pains. From a reading of the surrounding passages in Isaiah, we know that the prophet is speaking in present tense of the collective nation of Israel, Jehovah's chosen servant and people. He speaks to the Israelites suffering in exile, in the voice of the gentile nations that look upon it. This image is deeply ingrained in Jewish identity --an image of a chastised, yet cherished, Israel as the instrument of the nations' salvation by G'd. The verses speak of Israel taking on the sicknesses which are the literal and metaphorical manifestations of guilt and discipline. They do not speak of a ""servant"" going around and healing people. Notice that the servant in Isaiah takes on the sicknesses and pains of the nations (and individual Jews). Jesus, as we all know, did not take the diseases onto himself. The verses here in Isaiah are not a prophecy of something to come, but rather something that had already happened. While it is believed that Jesus took on the eternal punishment of hell, he did not bear the illnesses he healed. So, while someone might want to say that, figuratively, Jesus reenacted the deeds of Israel in his spiritual atonement, he has to admit that Matthew's parallel misses where he intended it to have its effect. Silent Messiah: Upon healing multitudes of commoners, it is said that Jesus ordered them to keep quiet, presumable so that he wouldn't arouse the attention of the local rulers. [Mt 12.15-21] This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah. ""Behold my servant whom I have chosen, my beloved, with whom my soul is pleased. I will put my spirit on him, and he will announce justice to the Gentiles. He will not wrangle or cry aloud, nor will anyone hear his voice in the streets. He will not break a bruised reed or quench a smoldering wick until he brings justice to victory, and the gentiles will hope in his name."" The Isaiah passage quoted reads, [Is 42.1-4] Behold my servant whom I uphold, my chosen, in whom my soul delights. I have put my spirit on him, and he will bring forth justice to the nations. We will not cry or lift up his voice, or make it heard in the street. He will not break a bruised reed, or quench a smoldering wick. He will faithfully bring forth justice. He will not fail (burn dimly) or be discouraged (bruised) until he has established justice in the earth. And the coastlands await his law. You see, Matthew has conveniently left out part of the passage, because it does not suit the dealings of Jesus. Christians could never think of Jesus failing, never would the ""light"" of mankind burn dimly. But, the servant nation of Israel will indeed come to an end when its job is done. When the gentiles come to embrace G'd there will no longer be a chosen people, but rather all will be the children of G'd. Also, the ending phrase has been changed from the Judaic ""...the coastlands await his law."" to the Christologic, ""the Gentiles will hope in his name."" While the original proclaims the Torah law of Jehovah, the other rewrites it to fit its strange doctrine of ""believing in the name."" If one has any doubt the servant referred to is not Jesus, one has only to read the whole chapter, Isaiah 42, and hear about the beloved but blind and imperfect servant, ""a people robbed and plundered..."" So, we see that when Matthew's attempt at ""prophecy"" is examined, it crumbles. Three Days and Three Nights: Now we come upon a prophecy supposedly uttered by the very mouth of the god Jesus himself. He speaks of his crucifixion and resurrection. [Mt 12.40] For as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and three nights, so will the Son of Man be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights. Before any further discussion can occur, it is necessary to know how the Jews understood days. As far as day names went, each was 24 hours long, lasting from sunset 6pm to the following sunset 6pm. What was referred to as a ""day"" was the period of light from 6am to the ending sunset at 6pm. Thus, according to our time scale, a sabbath day began at 6pm Friday evening, and lasted until 6pm saturday evening. This is why the Jews celebrate their sabbath on the daylight portion of Saturdays, instead of Sundays. (It seems like a real miracle that Christians didn't forget that Saturday was indeed the seventh and last day of the week!) Thus, when days and nights are referred to together, 12 hour daylight portions and 12 hour night periods are being spoken of. Thus, Jesus says that he will be in the grave, or in hell, or otherwise unresurrected for three days and three nights. As the good book tells us, Jesus was crucified on the ""ninth hour,"" which is 3pm, Friday afternoon. He then was put into the grave sometime after that. Then, Jesus left the grave, ""rose,"" before dawn of what we call Sunday (The dawn after the sabbath was over). What this means is that Jesus was, using our time for clarity, in the grave from 6pm Friday night to some time before 6am Sunday morning. We could also add a little time before 6pm Friday, since the bible is not specific here. What this means using Jewish time is that he was in the grave for one day, two nights, and possibly a couple of hours of one day. Certainly this is a problem for Jesus prediction. There is absolutely no way we are even able to have his death involve three days and three nights --even using modern time measurements. We then are led to suspect that this error is another one of Matthew's little mistakes, and that the gospel writer put false words into his god's mouth. And no matter who made the prediction, it is more than unconvincing... it is counter-convincing. Hearing & Understanding: Jesus tool on a habit of speaking to his vast audiences in parables-- stories in which a deeper meaning could be found, if you were already one of the elect, those chosen to understand the message of Jesus. He reasons that those who can understand the parables are the ones he wants. If the people cannot understand them, there is no need to bother with them, since they will not accept the ""plain"" message any better. Matthew says, [Mt 13.14-16] With them [the audience] indeed in fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah which says, ""You will indeed hear but never understand; and you will indeed see, but never perceive. Because this people's heart has grown dull, their ears are heavy of hearing, and they have shut their eyes so the they would not perceive with them, her with their ears, and understand with their heart, and turn for me to heal them."" The original Isaiah passages are part of his earlier works, his call to the ministry. This is in 740 BCE, when Israel is flourishing, right before it falls under the authority of Assyria. Isaiah sees the good times ending, and also a vision from G'd, calling him to bring reform to Israel and Judah. [Is 6.9-13] And G'd said, ""Go, and say to this people, `Hear and hear, but do not understand; see and see, but do not perceive.' Make the heart of this people fat, make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes, so they will not see with their eyes, or hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed."" Then Isaiah said, ""How long, lord?"" And he said, ""Until the cities lie waste without inhabitant, and houses without men, and the land is utterly desolate, and the G'ds take men far away, and forsaken places are many in the land. And though a tenth will remain in it, it will be burned again, like a terebinth or an oak whose stump still stands when the tree is felled."" The holy seed is its stump. Here we see that it is really G'd who causes the people of Israel to stop listening to the prophet's warnings, but reaffirms the promise made to Solomon's (and David's) seed/lineage. If you read the rest of Isaiah, you find that this is done to fulfil the plan of G'd to use Israel as a servant, a light to the nations. (Look at Isaiah 42.18-25, 48.20, 49.3) We see that Matthew has cut-and-pasted just a little portion of Isaiah's verse, to suit his own gospel needs. More than that, he has altered the words, to make it fit the people who didn't understand Jesus's stories. And, as we see, Isaiah's verses are not prophecies, but rather commands from G'd to him, in the present. Once again, Matthew's prophecy falls flat on its face. Matthew tries again to make Jesus's parables look like they have the prophetic approval. [Mt 13.35] ...he said nothing to them without a parable. This was to fulfil what was spoken of by the prophet, ""I will open my mouth to them in parables. I will utter that which has been hidden since the foundation of the world."" Matthew really botches up here. He attempts to quote not from a prophet, but from the Psalms. [Ps 78.2-4] I will open my mouth in parable. I will utter dark sayings of old, things that we all have heard and known, things that our fathers have told us. We will not hide them from their children, but tell to the coming generation the glorious deeds of the lord... As was pointed out, the verses in the Psalms do not really come from a prophet. You might also want to know that earlier copies of Matthew's gospel even inserted Isaiah's name as this prophet. Apparently, later scribes caught the error and tried to cover some of it up. Perhaps the most significant part of this is that, once again, Matthew has altered the Old Testament Scriptures. As Jesus has said earlier, he speaks in parables so that some will not understand them. The parables in the Psalms are not to be hidden. Further, they speak of things ""known, that our fathers have told us."" Jesus deals with things ""hidden since the foundation of the world."" Indeed Jesus dealt in a lot of secrecy and confusion. This is in direct opposition to the parables in the Psalms. No wonder Matthew had to rewrite them! And still once again, Matthew's artificial prophecies fall flat on their face. But, Christians rarely look at this. Matthew's prophecies aren't the only things about Christianity that are beginning to look bad. Excuses of Little Faith: In Mt. 17.14-21, we see that the disciples are able to go around casting out demons, except in one case. Not knowing what epilepsy was, the people thought those with the disease were possesed with demons. It is no wonder that the disciples were unable to ""dispossess"" the epileptic. But, Jesus, perhaps no more enlightened than they, is reported to have rebuked them, saying they didn't have enough faith. This seems strange. Why was this demon special? It seems that either a true believer has faith or he does not. Apparently, enough faith will allow someone to move mountains. Of course, you will find no one, these days that can move real mountains. No one parts seas. The only miracles the Charismatics can speak of are those rumoured to happen on trips to Mexico or some faraway place. Major miracles are making some old woman's arthritis feel better on Sunday morning T.V. And the gods, including Jesus, are always shrouded in ancient lore and writings, protected from the skeptics in their sacred pasts. They are either dead, sleeping, or hiding in heaven, with people rumouring about their imminent return and their great miracles of days long gone. Yet, life goes on. Tales of mystics, stories of miracles-- all in a distant time or a distant place. Gods used to reveal themselves to men in the old days, Jehovah too. But, now they are silent. All the theologians give are various excuses as to why we don't get to see God anymore. We're too lazy; we're not zealous enough; we're sinful; it's just his ""plan""; we put too many of our own demands on G'd's appearance; if we had the right faith, if we were willing to meet G'd on his terms... Yet, even the most pious of men have not seen G'd. You, dear reader, have not seen G'd. Not literally, you know that to be true. (I know that's presumptuous and bold. But, searching your heart, you know what I mean.) All that we've seen religions do is make people feel good and content about not seeing G'd. They say our little faith does not merit us to see G'd. Sometimes, they say, ""See the love in these people you worship with... see the lives of people change... that is seeing G'd."" Thus people get lulled to sleep, satisfied with turning G'd into the everyday sights. But, that is not seeing G'd as I am speaking of... it is not seeing G'd the way people used to see. What we see in the world that is good, is the compassion of human hearts, the love given and taken by men and women, the forgiveness practised by Christian & Atheist alike, beauty created by the mind of man. These are the things that are done; these are what we see. But, it is said this is so only because everybody has little faith. Jesus Rides on an Ass: Shortly after accepting the role of the Jewish messiah king, Jesus requests a donkey be brought in for him to ride into Jerusalem. [Mt 21.5] This took place to fulfil what was spoken by the prophet, saying, Tell the daughter of Zion, ""Behold, your king is coming to you, humble, mounted on an ass, and on a ass-colt."" Of course, the passage quoted from Zechariah 9.9 reads a little differently. Lo, your king comes to you; he is triumphant and victorious, humble, and riding on an ass, on an ass- colt... he will command peace to the nations. There isn't all that much difference here, except that Zechariah only involves one animal --an ass-colt-- while Matthew reads the poetic wording slightly differently. Thus, he has Jesus call for both a colt and an adult ass. From Matthew's version, we get a comical picture of the divine Christ sweating it to straddle two donkeys. This could inevitably lead to a theological, proctological dilemma! We find that in the account written earlier by St. Mark, only the colt was called for and brought to Jesus. This indeed fits the verses of Zechariah properly, and shows us that in Matthew attempt to use prophetic verses, he has bungled. Now, excluding many respectable Christians I have met, I have noticed that while Christ is thought to have ridden on asses, the situation is often reversed nowadays... Then, entering the Jerusalem temple, the priests were angered at people and youngsters calling Jesus the messiah. But, Jesus replied as we might expect Matthew to have done, [Mt 21.16] Haven't you read? `Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou has brought perfect praise.' It is more likely that Matthew made this response up since Jesus was never one to point out such little ""prophetic"" things AND since, as we might expect, the quote is in error, which seems to fit Matthew's track record quite well. We might ask Jesus or Matthew, ""Haven't you read?"" for the source reads, [Psalms 8.1-2] O YaHWeH our lord, how majestic is your name in the whole world! You, whose glory is chanted above the heavens by babes and infants, you have founded a bulwark against your foes to still the enemy and the avenger. The passages hardly need comment. There is no ""perfect praise"" spoken of in the psalm, and what praise is there is given to G'd, not his messiah king, and not Jesus. As mentioned, it seems to be just one more case of Matthew's pen making up convenient prophetic scripture. YHVH said to my lord...: Jesus is said to have asked from whom the promised Jewish messiah-king is to be descended. The Jews agree-- it is king David. But, then Jesus counters by quoting Psalms 110, ""The LORD said to my Lord, sit at my right hand, until I put your enemies under your feet."" Taken at face value, Jesus is denying the necessity of Davidic descent. One assumes he is in opposition to their answer. Of course, the Christian answer is that he agrees, but is trying to make some hidden point, to reveal some mystery about the divine nature of the messiah-king. It's tempting to believe this, if one is a Christian and not interested in matters of investigation. But, there are problems. In Jesus's time, the psalm was thought to be about the messiah. And, it is easy to see why David might refer to the messiah as his superior. We need only look at the scriptures about the messiah to see that he is expected to be a great king, bringing the Jews to times even better than those under David's rule. Of course, the Jews listening had no good answer, and the passage could indeed refer to a divine messiah, such as the Christians worship. The problem lies in the meaning of this psalm, an error that apparently several Jews of Jesus's time had also made. One must remember that there were various factions among the Jews, often as a result of different expectations of the messiah-king. Jesus was apparently one of these adventists, like his audience, who thought the messiah's advent was imminent, and who interpreted Psalms 110, among others, as being messianic. What is the problem, then? Psalm 110 literally reads, YHVH's utterance to my lord: ""Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool."" YHVH sends forth your mighty scepter from Zion. Rule in the midst of your foes! Your people will offer themselves freely on the day you lead your host on the holy mountains. ""You are a priest of the order of Melchizedek forever."" The word ""lord"" is often mistakenly capitalised by Christian bibles to denote divinity in this lord. But, in the Hebrew, the word is ""adoni,"" and no capitalisation exists. Adoni simply means ""lord,"" a generic term as we would use it. It is used often in the scriptures to refer to kings and to G'd. It is merely an address of respect. There is nothing in the text itself to imply that the word refers either to divinity or to the messiah-king. That this is supposed to be written by David is not certain. The title of the psalm translates to either ""a psalm of David,"" or ""a psalm about David."" It seems fitting to assume it to be written by a court poet, about David's covenant and endorsement from G'd. If the psalm had been written by David, it is unlikely that he would be talking about the messiah. The idea of a perfect king, descended from David, was not present in David's age. We have extensive tales of David's doings and sayings-- none of which include any praises of a messiah. Many of the psalms show evidence of being written long after David was dead, in times of the exile when G'd had put his show of favour for David's kingdom on hold. The description in the psalm fit David very well. David was promised by G'd a rise to power, victory over his enemies, successful judgement among the nations he conquered. He achieved the priesthood common to Melchizedek in being a righteous king, enabled to bless the people. It all fits. We do not have to blame this problem on Matthew alone, though. Here, there is not artificial prophecy alluded to, though his use of the scripture is rather questionable. Still, this event is common to the other gospels too. So, we let Matthew off a little more easily this time. It is interesting to note, though, how Matthew dresses up the event. The earlier gospel of Mark tells the tale with Jesus simply speaking to a crowd. Matthew has the Pharisees, who became the religious competition of an infant Christianity, be the target of Jesus's question. As we might expect, Matthew writes that the event ends up by embarrassing the Pharisees. Such power is the pen. Moses & Jesus, Had it Together All Along...: We leave the gospel story of Matthew momentarily to see a pseudo-prophecy in John's gospel. The gospel story of John deserves special treatment, because it seems to be so far removed from the real events of Jesus's career as told by even Matthew. But, for the moment, we will just look at one verse. The early church leaders founded a religion on the Jewish hopes of a messiah king, and on an artificial extension of the original promises made by G'd. When constructing the history of Abraham, Moses wrote of a promise of land and nationhood to the Jewish people. While this was accomplished eventually, under the rule of king David, the Christians who came along later decided that they would claim the fulfillment of the promise. But, to do so, they expanded on the promise, preaching about a heavenly kingdom. [John 8.56] (J.C. speaking) Your father, Abraham, rejoiced to see My day. He say it and was glad. It would be nice to tie in approval for Jesus from Abraham, but, Abraham knew nothing of Jesus or a messiah, or anything Christian. I have tried, and failed to find any event in the Old Testament which corresponds to John's little prophecy. It is par for the course to see St. John making up Old Testament backings, just like his forerunner Matthew. Many Christians know that their faith has many of its foundations in such fraud, and it is surprising they still cling to it. The Potter's Field: We are told that Jesus was betrayed while in Jerusalem by one of his followers, Judas Iscariot. Matthew writes, [Mt 27.5-10] And throwing down the pieces of silver in the temple, [Judas] departed... But, the chief priests, taking the silver, said, ""It isn't lawful for us to put it in the treasury, since it is blood money."" So they... bought a potter's field with it to bury strangers in... Then was fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet Jeremiah, ""And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him on whom a price had been set by some of the sons of Israel, and they gave them for the potter's field, as the lord directed me."" This prophecy is an utterly gross bastardisation of Old Testament Scripture. First, Matthew has made a mistake regarding the name of the prophet. It is Zechariah who utters the verses which Matthew makes use of. [Zech. 11.12-13] ...And they weighed out my wages, thirty shekels of silver. Then YHVH said to me, ""Cast them to the treasury,"" --the lordly price at which I was paid off by them. So I took the thirty shekels of silver and cast them into the treasury in the house of YHVH. First of all, the verses of Zechariah do not deal with a betrayer of the messiah, or of G'd. The deal with a shepherd, most likely a priest, chosen to serve a function of presiding over the people shortly before G'd would send Judah and Israel into conflict with one another. The word, ""treasury,"" had been replaced by the King James Scholars with ""to the potter,"" precisely because this made Matthew's quote fit better. But, this is a blatant error. The correct translation of the Hebrew is indeed ""treasury,"" which also makes perfect sense in Zechariah's context, whereas ""potter's field"" is totally unrelated. Whether the mistranslation was intentional or not seems to be beyond speculation. However, given Matthew's track record, one finds it hard to resist the notion of intentional dishonesty. Of course, Matthew would have ample reason for altering the text. The thirty pieces of silver match Judas's situation, and if as most Christians seem to be, the reader is willing to disregard the contextual incongruity, Matthew might have another prophecy to toss around. However, the correct translation of Zechariah directly contradicts the situation with Judas and the high priests. The high priests would not put the money in the treasury. The worthless shepherd of Zechariah does exactly the opposite! Of course, to the average Thursday-Night Bible student, the ""prophecy"" as presented by Matthew would be taken at New Testament face value. To those, Matthew's work is convincing enough. Wine, Vinegar, & Casting Lots: Then, Jesus is led away to be crucified. [Mt 27.34-35] ...they gave him vinegar to drink, mingled with gall; but when he tasted it, he would not drink it. And, when they had crucified him, they divided his garments among them by casting lots: that it might be fulfilled what was spoken by the prophet, ""They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots."" First of all, the vinegar offered to Jesus is actually common sour wine, of the type that Roman soldiers drank regularly. We find that right before Jesus dies, the soldiers themselves give him some to drink --not polluted with gall. [Jn 19.28-30] Jesus... said, ""I thirst."" A bowl of vinegar stood there, so they put a sponge full of the vinegar on hyssop and held it to his mouth. When he had received the vinegar, he said, ""It is finished;"" But, Matthew seems to be drawing on, not a passage from the prophets, but one from the Psalms. [Ps 69.20-28] I looked for pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none. They gave me poison for food (lit. they put gall in my meat), and for my thirst, they gave me vinegar to drink... Add to them punishment upon punishment, may they have no acquittal from thee. Let them be blotted out of the Book of the Living. Of course, the sour wine offered to Jesus is done at his request of drink. This does indeed seem to be a show of pity. The psalm quoted is about David and his political and military enemies. It is not about the messiah or Jesus. It is then not surprising that we run into further problem when we see that the ""Jesus"" in the psalm asks G'd for the damnation of the ""crucifiers,"" whereas the Jesus of the gospels says, [Lk 23.34] Jesus said, ""Father, forgive them, the don't know what they do!"" Further, Matthew misses with his attempt to create prophecy by having gall (a bitter substance) put into Jesus's drink, not his meat, as the psalm stipulates. With the ""prophecy"" of the vinegar faulty, we naturally ask, ""What of the casting of lots?"" This brings up the 22nd Psalm, which deserves discussion all by itself. Suffice it now to say that the fact that Jesus's clothes were divided as told is no great thing. It turns out that this happened often to any felon in those days. As we will soon see, it is perhaps the least erroneous passage of the psalm when applied to Jesus. It does indeed bring up the interesting question as to the quality of Jesus's clothes. For a man so removed from worldly possessions, his ownership of clothes worthy of casting lots raises some suspicions. The 22nd Psalm: This psalm is attributed to David, as a lament of his condition under the attack of his enemies. It becomes a song of praise to YHVH and of hope. Taken out of context, parts of it seem to fit the plight of Jesus at the crucifixion quite well. We will examine the primary passages. Verse 1-2: My god, my god! why have you forsaken me?! Why are you so far from helping me, far from the words of my groaning? Oh, my god, I cry by day, but you don't answer, and by night, but find no rest. Jesus is said to have cried the first sentence while on the cross. This suggests that the whole psalm is really about Jesus, rather than king David. Of course, the rest of the first stanza does not fit as nicely to Jesus or his execution. Jesus is not pictured as complaining about the whole ordeal, he is supposed to be like ""the lamb led mute before its shearers."" Indeed, Jesus doesn't do much groaning, even when on the cross. He certainly does not cry by both day and night on the cross. 6-8: But, I am a worm, and no man-- scorned by men... All who see me mock at me. They make faces and wag their heads; ""He committed his cause to YHVH. So let him deliver him... for he delights in him."" This seems to fit Jesus's execution pretty well, with the exception of the Holy messiah being called a worm. 12-13: Many bulls encompass me... they open their mouths widely at me like a ravening and roaring lion. 16-18: Yea, dogs are round about me, a company of evildoers encir-cle me, they have pierced my hands and feet. I can see all my bones... They divide my garments among them, and cast lost for my raiment. 19-21: But you, YHVH, be not far away! ...Deliver my soul from the sword, my life from the power of the dog! Save me from the mouth of the lion, and my afflicted soul from the horns of the wild bull! It would seem quite convincing, and I'm sure the early Christian fathers who wrote of this prophecy thought so too. Unfortunately, this prophecy has a fatal flaw. The words ""have pierced"" really do not exist in the psalm. The correct Hebrew translation is, 16: Yea, dogs are round about me, a company of evildoers encircles me, like the lion, they are at my hands and feet... In Hebrew the phrase ""like the lion"" and a very rare verb form which can mean ""pierced"" differ by one phonetic character. The word in the Hebrew text is literally, ""like the lion"" (ka'ari), which makes sense in the context, and even further fits the animal imagery employed by the psalm writer. It is convenience that would urge a Christian to change the word to ""ka'aru."" But, to add the needed (yet artificial) weight to the ""prophecy"" this is just what the Christian translators have chosen to do. While the correct translation does not eliminate the psalm from referring to Jesus, its absence does not say much for the honesty of the translators. Apart from the erroneous verse 16, the psalm does not lend itself to Jesus so easily. Verse 20 speaks of the sufferer being saved from a sword rather than a cross. This naturally fits the psalm's true subject, king David. As a side note, we now know that crucifixions did not pierce the hands, the palms, but rather the forearms. This doesn't say much in favour of the traditional thought of a resurrected Jesus showing his disciples the scars on his palms. But then, facts aren't bound by our religious beliefs. Matthew escapes culpability this time, as he does not attempt to draw many direct links between this psalm and his lord Jesus. But the psalm, like many others, was on the minds of all the gospel writers when they compiled the stories and interpretations of Jesus's life and death. How much these scriptures may have contributed to what actually got written down is a question that has serious repercussions for Christian theology. It is easy to see, for those who are not faithful fundamentalists, how some of the events in the New Testament might have been ""enhanced"" by scribes such as the eager Matthew. But, it does less to speculate than to simply investigate scriptural matters and prophetic claims. So far, this has not said good things for St. Matthew. The reference to the piercing looks a lot like Jesus's crucifixion. John's gospel recount, written about 70 years after the fact, tells us at Jesus's execution, [Jn 19.34,37] But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and out came blood and water... these things took place that Scripture be fulfilled... ""The will look on him whom they've pierced."" Of course, this is built on a passage taken blatantly out of context. Prophet Zechariah tells us how much of the nation of Israel will split off from Jerusalem and Judah and go to war with them. [Zc 12.7-10] And YHVH will give victory to Judah... And on that day, I will seek to destroy the nations that come against Jerusalem (in Judah). And I will pour a spirit of compassion and supplication... on Jerusalem so that when they look on him who they have pierced, they will mourn, and weep bitterly over him like you weep over a firstborn child. John's attempt to make up prophecy is perhaps weaker that Matthew's attempts. Matthew, at least, usually excontexts more than just one passage. John's errors are grossly obvious and blatant here. It does not speak well for any of the gospel writers, as it helps to show how the prophetic aspects of their religion were founded. Reckoned with Transgressors: After his arrest, Jesus is quickly executed for claiming the Jewish kingship, messiahship. According to one version of the gospel tale, Jesus gets executed along with two thieves. [Mk 15.27] And with him they crucified two robbers, one on his right, one on his left. And so the scripture was fulfilled which says, ""He was reckoned with the transgressors."" Here, Mark is trying to link Jesus to a passage in Isaiah 53, about the servant nation of Israel. The passage is not about the messiah, for if one reads the whole chapter of Isaiah 53, and its surrounding chapters, one sees that the servant is a nation. The verses are also about what this servant has gone through in the past, not a prediction of what is to come, in any event. The servant is thought of as a criminal. This also happens to fit the description of Jesus. Had the passage really been about the messiah, it still is not at all clear why executing Jesus between two thieves would fulfill the ""prophecy"" in Isaiah. Jesus would more fittingly fulfill it with his whole ministry. He was considered a blasphemer and troublemaker all throughout his career. Locking onto a single event is a rather poor way to steal prophecy, at least in this case, as we see that Mark could have had made a better analogy with general comparisons. Mark goes on to tell us how ""those who were crucified with [Jesus] also reviled him."" [15.32] This is to be expected from a couple of robbers. Of course in his later recount, St. Luke decides to change some things. Luke tells us, [Lk 23.39-43] And one of the criminals who was hanged with him railed, ""Aren't you the messiah?! Save yourself, and us!"" This certainly fits with Mark's recount, which tells how the people who crucified Jesus said, ""Save yourself!"" and that the robbers did the same. But then Luke goes on, But the other [criminal] rebuked [the first] saying, ""Don't you fear G'd, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we, indeed justly so, for we are receiving the due reward for our deeds. But, this man has done nothing wrong. And he said, ""Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingdom."" And Jesus answered, ""Verily I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise."" Now, this little dialogue seems highly contrived. It stretches the imagination a bit to see this picture of one ruffian rebuking his fellow criminal with such eloquent speech. We have a rather strange picture of a criminal lamenting over the goodness of his punishment and the justness of his suffering. Such a man, apparently noble and of principle, doesn't seem likely to have been a robber. We wonder at the amount of theatrics created by Luke. Of course, Luke's recount also disagrees with Mark's. Luke has only one criminal revile Jesus, not both. It is easy enough to discount the discrepancy because the account was made up, but those who wish to believe it is all part of the error free words of G'd do not have this avenue open. This is yet another example of a writer trying to take an Old Testament passage and expand it and reinterpret it to suit his theology. In this case, the embroidery creates some embarrassing problems, as we have seen. The End of the World-- Mt. 24: Now comes perhaps one of the most extraordinary and embarrassing passages in the New Testament. It is found in all three of the synoptic gospel stories, and casts some of the most unfavourable doubt on the whole theory of Christianity. Jesus mentions the destruction of the Jewish temples and buildings, and his disciples ask him about this, and about the end of the world which he has been warning about. The disciples: Tell us, when will this [the temple's destruction] be, and what will be the sign of your coming, and of the close of the age? Jesus: Take care that no one leads you astray, for many will come in my name, saying, ""I am the christ."" ...you will hear of wars and rumours of wars... for this must take place, but the end is not yet. For, nation will rise against nation... all this is but the beginning of the birthpangs. They will deliver you up... put you to death, and false prophets will arise and lead many astray. ...But he who endures to the end will be saved. This gospel will be preached throughout the whole world, a testimony to the nations, and then the end will come. So, when you see the desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, ...let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened... the stars will fall from heaven... then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and see the Son of Man coming... and he will send out his angels... and gather his elect... Learn the lesson of the fig tree: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. So also, when you see all these things, you will know that He is near, at the very gate. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place... But, of the day and hour, no one knows; not the angels, not the Son, but only the Father... Therefore, you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. From this, it is clear that Jesus thought the world would in within the lifetimes of at least some of his disciples. He tells them that although he doesn't know the exact day or hour, that it will come, and thus they must be ready. Theologians have wet their pants in panic to find some way out of this Holy Error. But, unfortunately, Jesus made himself to explicit. He told his disciples that their generation would still be around at the End, and that they in particular should prepare for it, prepare to be swept away. There have been some who resorted to removing the inerrant nature of the Bible, and said that the phrase, ""this generation shall not pass away..."" really means ""this race of people will not pass away..."" Of course, the word for generation is used many times to refer to exactly that, the generation of the disciples. It is an interesting notion that when God decided to learn Greek, he didn't learn it well enough to make himself clear. But. it is quite obvious from the rest of the dialogue that the disciples (at least some of them) are supposed to live to the End of the World. The charge of mistranslation is completely blown away by looking at the Apostles' responses. It becomes abundantly clear from Rev. 22.7, 1 Peter 4.7, 1 John 2.18, and Rev. 22.20, that Jesus meant exactly what he said. The End was very near. For 2,000 years, Christians have rationalised this 24th chapter of Matthew, or ignored its meaning altogether. For 2,000 years, they have waited for their executed leader to come back, hearing of wars, and rumours of wars, sure that He is coming soon. Surely He must be. All we must do is wait. Can you imagine how tired He must be, sitting around up there, being holy, waiting for just the right moment to spring? So, shortly after his crucifixion, Jesus of Nazareth, (Joshua-ben-Joseph), died. It is said that after three days, or three days and three nights, or three periods of time, or three eternal seconds --or three of whatever they can decide makes for less trouble-- he was seen again, resurrected, glowing with divine radiance. Then the Saviour decided it wasn't in the best interests of his new religion to stick around, and therefore disappeared from sight into heaven. So the story goes, anyway. As has been seen, there were many things attributed to Jesus when people got around to writing the gospel stories down. To them, Jesus was the fulfiller of all prophecy and scripture. We have seen, though, that this matter is quite shaky. But, throughout Church history, Christians have held fast to faith, in simple belief. What doctrinal objections could not be solved with argumentation or brute force, faith and forgetfulness kept away from question. To question and investigate has never been the easiest way to treat matters. Thus for 2,000 years, the prophecies cited in the New Testament have gone on largely accepted. Things may well continue that way for some time. Pausing a moment to consider the way the doctrines of Christianity have been accepted and used (properly or improperly) to support wars and persecution, I suppose there is one prophecy of which Christianity can securely keep hold.",0 " Unfortunatly, this seems to be how Christians are taught to think when it comes to their religion. Some take it to the extreme and say that their religion is the ONLY one and if you don't accept their teachings then you won't be ""saved"". It takes quite a bit of arrogance to claim to know what God thinks/wants. Especially when it's based upon your interpretation of a book. The logic in the above statement is faulty in that it assumes two people with differing beliefs can't both be correct. It's all about perception. No two people are exactly alike. No two people perceive everything in the same way. I believe that there is one truth. Call it God's truth, a universal truth, or call it what you will. I don't believe God presents this truth. I think it is just there and it's up to you to look for and see it, through prayer, meditation, inspir- ation, dreams or whatever. Just because people may perceive this truth differently, it doesn't mean one is wrong and the other is right. As an example, take the question, ""Is the glass half empty or half full""? You can have two different answers which are contradictory and yet both are correct. So, for your belief to be true, does not require everyone else's belief to be wrong.",15 " To boorishly reply to myself, I found I did have the Instrutech information already. The specs (to use the term loosely) are as follows: A/D: 16 bit converter, with 14 bit accuracy to 100 kHz, 12 bit accuracy to 200 kHz. No specs for S/N, monotonicity, linearity. There are 8 multiplexed inputs sharing the single A/D, so that all inputs are not samples at the same time, and in the above conversion specs the all-channel sample rate must be used. Thus, for two channels, you only have 14 unknown quality bits at 50 kHz per channel. This is poorer quality than the national Instruments, at the same sample rate. D/A: 16 bit converter. No specs for S/N, monotonicity, linearity. Each of the 4 output channels has its own converter.",4 " [...stiff deleted...] [...stiff deleted...] Speed is a quantifiable measure resulting from a set of methods that will result in the same value measured no matter the reference. A bullet with zero velocity sitting on a table on a train moving 60mph will be moving at a speed of (a) 0mph to someone on the train. (b) 60mph to someone stationary next to the train. The reference frame makes the speed relative. But what's interesting here is that every person on the train will see a stationary bullet. Every person off, a bullet moving 60mph. I know of no train where all the people on it, every time it is filled, will see a moral problem in exactly the same way. ",19 " The above is probably not the most representative paragraph, but I thought I'd hop on, anyway... What strikes me as self-contradicting in the fable of Lucifer's fall - which, by the way, I seem to recall to be more speculation than based on biblical text, but my ex RCism may be showing - is that, as Benedikt pointed out, Lucifer had perfect nature, yet he had the free will to ""choose"" evil. But where did that choice come from? We know from Genesis that Eve was offered an opportunity to sin by a tempter which many assume was Satan, but how did Lucifer discover, invent, create, call the action what you will, something that God had not given origin to? Also, where in the Bible is there mention of Lucifer's free will? We make a big fuss about mankind having free will, but it strikes me as being an after-the-fact rationalisation, and in fact, like salvation, not one that all Christians believe in identically. At least in my mind, salvation and free will are very tightly coupled, but then my theology was Roman Catholic... Still, how do theologian explain Lucifer's fall? If Lucifer had perfect nature (did man?) how could he fall? How could he execute an act that (a) contradicted his nature and (b) in effect cause evil to exist for the first time?",0 "I want to press a function key and have a text string appear in an XmText widget. When I put *XmText.Translations: #augment \n\ F1: insert-string(HELLO) in my resource file, the translation doesn't happen. If I put *XmText.Translations: F1: insert-string(HELLO) in the file, I get the text string HELLO when F1 is pressed, but no other keys work, which makes sense since the default translation mode is ""replace"". Do I have a syntax problem here, or something deeper?",5 "Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in favor of doing this. I learn an awful lot about all aspects of graphics by reading this group, from code to hardware to algorithms. I just think making 5 different groups out of this is a wate, and will only result in a few posts a week per group. I kind of like the convenience of having one big forum for discussing all aspects of graphics. Anyone else feel this way? Just curious. ",1 "Hi I am a Sociology student and I am currently researching into young offenders. I am looking at the way various groups of children are raised at home. At the moment I am formlulating information on discipline within the Christian home. Please, if you are a parent in this catagory can you email me your response to the following questionaire. All responses will be treated confidentially and will only be used to prepare stats. 1. Ages & sexes of children 2. Do you spank your kids? 3. If so how often? 4. Do you use an implement to spank with? 5. If you do not spank, what method of discipline do you use? 6. Your age? 7. Your location 8. While under the age of 16 did you ever commit a criminal offence? 9. How ere you disciplined as a kid Thank you in advance for any reply you can make. Please e-mail your replies rather than post them on the newsgroup",15 "Actually not Jim. I just said that everyone else seemed to have skimmed by that part and not mentioned it. You can get whatever meaning you want from it.",16 "thus Curiously, in modern PostScript, the point in a polygon problem can be solved even more easily. To wit: %! %%Title: Point in Polygon %%Creator: Allen B (ab@cc.purdue.edu) %%For: the amusement of comp.graphics regulars %%LanguageLevel: 2 %%DocumentNeededResource: humor sense thereof %%EndComments % This program will test whether a point is inside a given polygon. % Currently it uses the even-odd rule, but that can be changed by % replacing ineofill with infill. These are Level 2 operators, % so if you've only got Level 1 you're out of luck. % % The result will be printed on the output stream. % % Caution: only accurate to device pixels! % Put a huge scale in first if you aren't sure. % Point to test % PUT X AND Y COORDINATES HERE 50 75 % Vertices of polygon in counter-clockwise order % PUT ARRAY OF PAIRS OF COORDINATES HERE [ [ 0 0 ] [ 100 0 ] [ 100 100 ] [ 67 100 ] [ 67 50 ] [ 33 50 ] [ 33 100 ] [ 0 100 ] ]",1 " Undoubtedly. In fact, it is the fact that hospitals frequently compete for physicians rather than for patients that (in part) complicates and undermines a simplistic free-market analysis of the market for medical care. Once again, there is no evidence that this is true in regard to kidney dialysis. Although price controls have promoted an expansion of services to a much greater volume of patients, RD is still a profitable service. Otherwise, one would expect to see evidence of rationing rather than the vast expansion that has occurred. Can you spell ""loss leader?"" I knew you could. Grocery stores do not attempt to make up the loss on an individual product by selling more of it. In fact, your argument above is that kidney dialysis is a loss leader for other medical treatments where lost revenue can be regained. But the evidence does not support this contention. Rather, it appears that price controls have disciplined the market by forcing an expansion of service and development of improved lower-cost technology to provide comparable benefits. Providers continue to profit from RD, they simply make less on each treatment than they would have if the price had risen at the rate that uncontrolled treatments have. There is no question that had price controls forced the price of RD substantially below its actual cost that some or all of the doomsday predictions of free-market advocates would have been seen -- restriction of service, lagging technological development, etc. Likewise, it appears that in the VA and armed forces medical care systems, where providers are government agencies, some of these negative impacts may occur. (RD patients in the VA system in Spokane, for example, must travel to Seattle, 300 miles away, for treatment.) The bottom line, however, is that this is an example of government intervention (of a rather extreme sort) that appears to have had beneficial results for both providers and consumers. Claims that ""government bureaucracy"" inevitably leads to undesirable outcomes in the marketplace should take such such cases into account. jsh ",18 " They require two separate grounds. One ground goes to the ground pin of the outlet, and the other ground wire is connected to the outlet's mounting tabs (and thus grounds the box and faceplate screw and metal faceplate, if any). The box/faceplate ground goes to the normal distribution panel ground. The outlet ground-pin wire is generally connected to an insulated busbar in the distribution panel which is, in turn, connected to the building-entrance main ground by its own wire.",12 " That's rich... Ozzie Smith a defensive liability...",9 "Hello. I purchased a video card called ET-4000 true color card which can provide about 1700K colors. But the question is I can't find the corresponding drivers for windows 3.1 , I am now using 65k colors driver for win31. It works fine , but I think it will be better if I use 1700k driver. So, please tell me whether such a driver is available ! Thanks in advance. ",2 " There has been NO hard info provided about MSG making people ill. That's the point, after all. That's because these ""peer-reviewed"" studies are not addressing the effects of MSG in people, they're looking at animal models. You can't walk away from this and start ranting about gloom and doom as if there were any documented deleterious health effects demonstrated in humans. Note that I wouldn't have any argument with a statement like ""noting that animal administration has pro- duced the following [blah, blah], we must be careful about its use in humans."" This is precisely NOT what you said. It most certainly is for neurotoxicology. You know, studies of glutamate involve more than ""food science"". So, point us to the studies in humans, please. I'm familiar with the literature, and I've never seen any which relate at all to Olney's work in animals and the effects of glutamate on neurons. Well, actually, they HAVE to tolerate some phenylalanine; it's a essential amino acid. They just try to get as little as is healthy without producing dangerous levels of phenylalanine and its metabolites in the blood. Goodness, I'm not saying that it's good to feed infants a lot of glutamate-supplemented foods. It's just that this ""projected safety margin"" is a construct derived from animal models and given that, you can ""prove"" anything you like. We're talking prudent policy in infant nutrition here, yet you're misrepresenting it as received wisdom. You mean ""asserting"". You're being intellectually dishonest (or just plain confused), because you're conflating reports which do not necessarily have anything to do with each other. Olney's reports would argue a potential for problems in human infants, but that's not to say that this says anything whatsoever about the use of MSG in most foods, nor does he provide any studies in humans which indicate any deleterious effects (for obvious reasons.) It says nothing about MSG's contribtion to the phenomenon of the ""Chinese Restaurant Syndrome"". It says nothing about the frequent inability to replicate anecdotal reports of MSG sensitivity in the lab. Probably one of the dumber remarks you've made. ",13 ,4 ": Where can I get xman source? I would like to get the binaries for : xman for an HP 9000/700, but I would settle for source. : : -- Try xport.lcs.mit.edu, in direcotry /contrib. --",5 " Sorry for the followup, but I couldn'y get email through on your addresses. I, too, am trying to decide between these two printers, and I would like to hear what users of these printers have to say about the questions above. Thank you.",2 " In the interests of saving badnwidth during this ""heated"" time of the year (viz. the early flurry of ""retard"" comments coming from a certain state whose name starts with P and ends with A), why don't you tell us something we don't already know? George",10 " Do people expect the Texans congressmen to act as the N.J. Republicans did? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Podleski | phone: 216-433-4000 NASA Lewis Research Center | Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: pspod@gonzo.lerc.nasa.gov ",16 " We use them as Christmas tree decorations, the cat doesn't eat these. -- ",12 " That's one. Any others? Then they should have used a different advert. I'm both. I've made some $4k worth of PC products purchasing decisions for one company I'm affiliated with in the past 6 months alone. (In a delicious bit of irony, an interesting fraction went to suppliers that I suspect got my mailing address from these people.) More is in the pipeline right now. If they wanted to discuss these sorts of things, upfront is the way to do it. And who issues that ""VIP Code""? (That policy implementation in the running for this week's ""silly twit"" award.) BTW - It turns out that I have several VIP codes. Here's the one I'm using for these sorts of things: ""6"". (If you want one, send me mail and I'll put you in touch with the folks who do the application interview; if you qualify....) -andy",6 " And they work especially well when the Feds have cut off your utilities. -- ",16 ": Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya ! Oh goody! I love a puzzle. Watson! The games afoot! : Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there : was a slight difference- a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension : to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very : tangible ""thunk"". I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. : Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ? How can you : rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without : damaging the thread in the hole ? Is this some sort of hi-tech design thingo Let me guess. You were making a left turn, correct? The edge of the stud contacting the road caused it to turn and unthread itself. If you had been making a right turn it would have tightened the stud. ",8 "For those of you who couldn't find X-Appeal, it is availible at the following sitex: ascwide.ascii.co.jp in the /pub/MSDOS/xappeal dir wuarchive.wustl.edu in the /mirrors4/garbo.uwasa.fi/demo directory The three files are xap13exe.aip, xap10fon.zip and drivers.zip. Josh",5 " Apple has patented their implementation of regions, which presumably includes the internal data structure (which has never been officially documented by Apple). Apple cannot patent the concept of a region. I'm guessing that either NuTek reverse-engineered Apple's internal data structure for regions (I dunno if this would hold up in court), or they came up with their own data structure. If it's the latter, then they won't be able to draw PICT files containing regions. Besides PICT files, there aren't many places where regions are stored on disk. (QuickTime movies, perhaps?) As long as the region isn't being stored on disk and transferred from a Mac to a NuTek clone (or vice versa), it doesn't matter if NuTek uses a completely different internal data structure. I remember reading that Apple also has a patent on their ADB hardware, and that the NuTek clones would therefore be lacking an ADB port. What other patents does Apple have on the Mac?",4 "Anyone who knows this answer off-hand, please answer me by e-mail quickly ;). There is a pair of jumpers on one side, and a set of 3 or 4 on the other end. One is labeled, sync , and one CD, and E0 E1 E2. Whhich do I need to short, or disconnect to get drive to operate in slave mode? Give me a label or ""geographic label, as they have quite a few jumpers, and I don't wanna try the trial and error method... I am using IDE. I think this drive is SCSI compatible too. Jimmy",3 " I guess your strength isn't in math. Clinton hasn't been president for 6 months. In other words, it's BUSH'S Wiretapping Initiative. Have you? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ""Who said anything about panicking?"" snapped Authur. Garrett Johnson ""This is still just culture shock. You wait till I've Garrett@Ingres.com settled into the situation and found my bearings. THEN I'll start panicking!"" - Douglas Adams ",18 " Exactly. C. S. Lewis has taken a couple of pretty severe hits in this group lately. First somebody was accusing him of being self-righteous and unconvincing. Now we are told that we Christians should be embarrassed by him. (As well as by Josh McDowell, about whom I have no comment, having never read his work.) Anyone who thinks that C. S. Lewis was self-righteous ought to read his introduction to The Problem of Pain, which is his theodicy. In it, he explains that he wanted to publish the book anonymously. Why? Although he believed in the argument he was presenting, he did not want to seem to presume to tell others how brave they should be in the face of their own suffering. He did not want people to think that he was presenting himself as some kind of model of fortitude, or that he was anything other than what he considered himself to be -- ""a great coward."" OFM has adequately handled the question of whether we ought to be embarrassed by Lewis' liar/lunatic/lord argument (which, by the way, is part of a *much* bigger discourse.) I would just like to add that, far from being embarrassed by Lewis, I am in a state of continual amazement at the soundness and clarity of the arguments he presents. - Phil -",15 " Legal or not, I've seen it done. Phone records were obtained in order to *establish* probable cause, rather than as a result of it. In other words, for a fishing expedition. And does the phone company require written, subpoena-able evidence of probable cause in order to process the request? I suggest that the officer was disinterested in pursuing your case -- even if you could prove the offender had called you at a certain time, your chances of winning a harassment suit on the strength of this evidence are nil. My contact with several people who have dealt with cases of extreme phone harassment (several thousand calls in one case) teaches me that police in this area are quite lethargic about pursuing such matters. ",11 " And why they are considering using WinBench as a test, they may want to read everything Steve Gibson has said on the subject in his InfoWorld column the past couple of month. In short, virtually every board manufacturer cheats on the test by writing things in the driver that is there only to make the board appear faster on the WinBench suite. So the WinBench score has no bearing in reality to how cards stack up on real world tasks. In the last PC-Magazine they benchmarked some of the new accelerators, and admitted that many of them 'cheated' on WinBench. Interestingly, they 'allowed' one type of cheating behaviour (caching for bitblt operations, no matter how unreal), yet did not allow a couple of other types of cheating behaviour that some of the cards used. At least one card was eliminated from the ""Editor's Choice"" because of cheating on the benchmark.",2 " The CR purchase would be the Ford Probe GT. john ",7 " Not a good idea to compare processor power. Doesn't make sense for real world applications. At least not for totally different lines of processors. At least for x86 systems doubling the clock speed increases performance by about 70% . stuff deleted -- Ravikumar Venkateswar rvenkate@uiuc.edu",4 "============================================================================== ",1 "Hi, Experts, I'm kind of new to X. The following question is strange to me. I am trying to modify the contents of the colormap but failed without reason (to me). I am using the following piece of code: toplevel = XtInitialize(argv[0], ""Testcolor"", NULL, 0, &argc, argv); dpy = XtDisplay(toplevel); scr = DefaultScreen(dpy); def_colormap = DefaultColormap(dpy,scr); if(XAllocColorCells(dpy, def_colormap, True, NULL, 0, cells, 5)) { color.pixel = cells[0]; color.red = 250; color.green = 125; color.blue = 0; color.flags = DoRed | DoGreen | DoBlue; XStoreColor(dpy, def_colormap, &color); printf(""\n Try to allocate, the color %d as (%d,%d,%d)"", color.pixel, color.red, color.green, color.blue); XQueryColor(dpy, def_colormap, &color); printf(""\n After allocate, the color %d is (%d,%d,%d)"", color.pixel, color.red, color.green, color.blue); } else printf(""\n Error: couldn't allocate color cells""); Running output: Try to allocate, the color 7 as (250,125,0) After allocate, the color 7 is (0,0,0) After XStoreColor(), XQueryColor() just returned the original value. No failure/error displayed but the contents of colormap are obvious unchanged. (I also tried to draw a line using the colors but it turned out to be the unmodified colors.) So what is my problem? How to modify the contents of the colormap? Any help/information will be appreciated. Please send mail to ""yang@cs.umass.edu"". -------------------------- William email: ""yang@cs.umass.edu"" -------------------------- By the way, the following is the environment I am using (output of ""xdpyinfo""). It shows the default visual is PseudoColor. version number: 11.0 vendor string: DECWINDOWS DigitalEquipmentCorporation UWS4.2 vendor release number: 1 maximum request size: 16384 longwords (65536 bytes) motion buffer size: 100 bitmap unit, bit order, padding: 32, LSBFirst, 32 image byte order: LSBFirst number of supported pixmap formats: 2 supported pixmap formats: depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32 depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32 keycode range: minimum 86, maximum 251 number of extensions: 8 Adobe-DPS-Extension DPSExtension SHAPE MIT-SHM Multi-Buffering XInputExtension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD DEC-XTRAP default screen number: 0 number of screens: 1",5 "There are two conflicting reports about a pitcher that is either in the Jays' farm system or the Braves'. His name is Bill Taylor. He was picked up by the Jays, but had to be offered back to the Braves before they were able to send him to the Syracuse Chiefs.",9 "For updated playoff updates (scores, stats, summaries) e-mail me. (mmilitzo@skidmore.edu) with the subject STATS. ",10 " I don't want him nuked, I want him to be honest. The junk mail has been much more interesting than the promised catalog. If I'd known what I was going to get, I wouldn't have hesitated. I wouldn't be surprised if there were other folks who looked at the ad and said ""nope"" but who would be very interested in the junk mail that results. Similarly, there are people who wanted the advertised catalog who aren't happy with the junk they got instead. The folks buying the mailing lists would prefer an honest ad, and so would the people reading it. -andy",6 " I am resending this message because my news program may have goofed the first time. Terry, I recently bought an LCIII and a Datadesk 101E. I don't remember trying to rebuild the desktop with it, however it did give me a strange problem. When I held down shift during startup to disable all extensions, nothing happened. I tried it with another keyboard, using the same adb connector cable- and it worked with the other keyboard. The shift key on the Datadesk keyboard worked well otherwise. I checked the dipswitches and they are fine. Try disabling your extensions and tell me if it works. I am annoyed with Datadesk. I sent them the keyboard in the mail for inspection/repair/replacement. The technician on the phone said they have a 10-14 day turn around time- meaning you should receive the inspected/repaired keyboard in that time. Well, they have had the keyboard for over 3 weeks and I still have gotten very little info from them about it. It's annoying because it cost me $12 to send them the keyboard and their technical support line is not toll free. tell me if you have a similar experience with them.",4 "Hi, VLB is defined for 3 cards by 33MHz and 2 cards by 40MHz there are designs with 50MHz and 2 VLB-Slots. (s. C't 9.92, 10.92, 11.92) 50MHz and 2 Slots are realy difficult to design.",3 "Well, like someone said in a reply to this it really all depends on the area that you live in. See David Veal's reply to this. I have heard exactly the same thing that he said in his reply - to fade away if you think that you haven't been seen (I heard this from a police officer). For the record though he was talking about in Tennessee - not everywhere.",16 "I consulted with someone working on an electronic odometer. The design was to use a microprocessor based system to write a somewhat ofuscated pattern into an EEPROM. The idea was to make the circuit difficult to program arbitrary values into the EEPROM. The secondary purpose, acutally the primary purpose from the standpoint of practicality, was to distributed the writes so as to avoid exceeing the maximum number of writes fof the EEPROM being used. The microprocessor also ignored pulses coming from the Hall effect at a rate any higher than 110 MPH so as to make spoofing the reading by bench pulsing at least somewhat undesirable. This was for an automobile that was not expected to ever exceed 110 MPH in operation. The case, of course, might not be the same for your 1993 RX-7! The ECM modules of some cars do indeed store info about conditions under which cars have been operated. Since steering angle and velocity data, etc is available it would not be difficult to collect all sorts of interesting demographic information about the drivers' use of the car. I am not aware of any manufacturer currently trying to enforce warranty restrictions based on reading out use data from the ECM. While it could be a potential invasion of your privacy for manufacturers to have access to data about your driving style, it could also provide valuable information from actual field use conditions to help engineer more appropriate cars. I personally wouldn't mind the dealer collecting my driving demographics as long as it is done in an anonymous fashion. ",7 " Syria had been bombing Israeli settlements from the Golan and sending terrorist squads into Israel for years. Do you need me to provide specifics? I can. Why don't you give it up, Hasan? I'm really starting to get tired of your empty lies. You can defend your position and ideology with documented facts and arguments rather than the crap you regularly post. Take an example from someone like Brendan McKay, with whom I don't agree, but who uses logic and documentation to argue his position. Why must you insist on constantly spouting baseless lies? You may piss some people off, but that's about it. You won't prove anything or add anything worthy to a discussion. Your arguments just prove what a poor debater you are and how weak your case really is.",17 " Paul-- for the same reason that many other colonies are founded. Why not? ",14 "Does anyone know of a good way (standard PC application/PD utility) to convert tif/img/tga files into LaserJet III format. We would also like to do the same, converting to HPGL (HP plotter) files. Please email any response. Is this the correct group? Thanks in advance. Michael.",1 " I know it was used several times in the south, to prosecute the murders of blacks, after all white juries had cleared the accussed. I believe it is a general charge, that is no specific right is mentioned. The SS has previously ruled that since the seperate governments were in essence seperate sovereigns, then double jeopardy does not apply. (If this is true, then could defendents also be tried under city and county governments?) This mornings paper said that the ACLU has decided to reinstate its opposition to this kind of thing. They had earlier suspended their opposition while they examined the King case. There might be hope for the ACLU after all.",18 "Hi folks I'm planning to buy a LCIII but need advice on choosing a monitor. What do people recommend for a decent 14""/15"" monitor? I'v looked at some ads and the spec for NEC 4FG/4FGe and the price is within my budget, but could LCIII be able to use the various resolutions available on 4FG (specifically the 1024x768 resolution)? Does LCIII only support one resolution? Also any recommendations for a reliable mail order place for LCIII or monitors? Does anyone have experience with the following mail-order places? SYEX EXPRESS (Houston, Tx) USA FLEX (Bloomingdale, Il) Thanks, jeff ",4 "I finally got the vesa driver for my ATI graphics ultra plus (2M). However, when I tried to use this to view under 24bit mode, I get lines on the picture. With 16bit or below, the picture is fine. Can someone tell me what was wrong? Is it the card, or is it the software? -- Thanks 8) _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ ",3 ": >>point of view, why does SCSI have an advantage when it comes to multi- : >>tasking? Data is data, and it could be anywhere on the drive. Can : >>SCSI find it faster? can it get it off the drive and into the computer : >>faster? Does it have a better cache system? I thought SCSI was good at : >>managing a data bus when multiple devices are attached. If we are : >>only talking about a single drive, explain why SCSI is inherently : >>faster at managing data from a hard drive. : >IDE: Integrated Device Electronics : > currently the most common standard, and is mainly used for medium sized : > drives. Can have more than one hard drive. Asynchronous Transfer: ~5MB/s max. : Why don't you start with the spec-sheet of the ISA bus first? : You can quote SCSI specs till you're blue in the face, but if they : exceed the ISA bus capability, then what's the point? Who said ISA was necessary? EISA or VLB are the only interfaces worth investing thousands of dollars (e.g. a new pc's worth of money ) in . : Who says IDE is limited to 5 megs/sec? What about VLB-IDE? Does anyone : know how they perform? You didn't read to carefully. VLB-IDE uses the same connection mechanism as standard IDE. If transfer rate is limited by IDE, whether it's interfaced to ISA, EISA or VLB matters not. : >So at its LOWEST setting SCSI-2 interface in Asynchronous SCSI-1 mode AVERAGES : >the through put MAXIMUM of IDE in asynchronous mode. In full SCSI-2 mode : >it blows poor IDE out the window, down the street, and into the garbage can. : As implimented on what system? On mine, for one thing. SCSI blows IDE out of the water, hands down. If IDE has better throughput, why isn't it used on workstations and file servers? : >The problem becomes can the drive mechanisim keep up with those through put : >rates and THAT is where the bottleneck and cost of SCSI-2 comes from. NOT : >the interface itself but more and more from drive mechanisims to use the : >SCSI-2 through put. : Given the original question (SCSI used only as a single hard drive : controller), is it then necessary to get a SCSI drive that will do : at least 5, maybe 10 megs/sec for the SCSI choice to make any sence? : What does a 200-400 meg 5 megs/sec SCSI drive cost? No, that's the nice thing -- on a multitasking OS, SCSI can use both drives at once. I've got unix loaded on one of my pcs (along with windogs) and the OS can only use one of the two IDE drives at one time. It's pretty ugly. I just bought at Quantum 240 for my mac at home. I paid $369 for it. I haven't seen IDE drives cheaper. : The original CGA cart back in '84 was $300. I think the original EGA card : (or PGA?) was $800. SCSI has stood relatively alone in not coming down : in price, mainly because we're talking about PC's and not Sun's or Sparc : or SGI or (name your favorite unix workstation). That is, after millions : of PC buying decisions over the years, SCSI has had plenty of time to : come down in price. No, actually, we're talking about SCSI being expensive simply because nobody did a common interface for the PC. If they had a common (read: easily implemented) method of adding scsi to a PC (like as in a Sun or Mac), then you'd find SCSI the connection medium of choice. : I won't argue that the SCSI standard makes for a good, well implimented : data highway, but I still want to know why it intrinsically better : (than IDE, on an ISA bus) when it comes to multi-tasking OS's when : managing data from a single SCSI hard drive. On a single drive, SCSI is more expensive. But, you bought your PC for expandibility, so, you'd want to add more drives or whatever. The following are why I find SCSI intrinsically better than IDE: A (partial?) list: 1. You can add many different types of devices and access them concurrently. 2. A SCSI device works on many different machines (I have a mac and a PC at home and moving hard drives between them is VERY nice with SCSI -- hook them up and away they go) 3. SCSI devices work together better than IDE devices. For instance, recently, I added an older connor 100 meg IDE to a maxtor 212 meg IDE. The connor *MUST* be setup as the slave. It will work no other way. On SCSI, you set the address, check the termination, plug it in, and away it goes. 4. I have a problem with IDE's mutual exclusion - I notice that the time it takes to switch from accessing drive c: to drive d: is quite long as compared to the time it takes to switch from drive c: to d: on a SCSI system. Under a multitasking OS, this is very noticable, as many things can be going on at once. One neat thing that I've noticed lately (a fringe benefit) has been the ability to add older (almost dead) drives as storage on a SCSI system with little problem -- we've got a bunch of almost dead 20 meg drives that I've added to my PC. I've now got the interface full, but, it does allow me to have 4 20 meg drives, 1 240 meg drive, 1 tape drive, and 1 105 meg drive all on the same card. Simply put, SCSI is handier than IDE. No mysterious jumpers to figure out. Greg.",3 " This is very sad indeed. My condolences to the Minnesota fans who are losing their team. I fear that within the next decade or so the only professional sports team left in Pittsburgh will be the Steelers. We should always enjoy things when we can. You never know when they'll be taken away from us.",10 "Original to: szabo@techbook.com G'day szabo@techbook.com 29 Mar 93 07:28, szabo@techbook.com wrote to All: sc> szabo@techbook.com (Nick Szabo), via Kralizec 3:713/602 sc> Here are some longer-term markets to consider: Here are some more: * Terrestrial illumination from orbiting mirrors. * World enviroment and disaster monitering system. (the Japanese have already developed a plan for this, called WEDOS) Although this may be more of a ""public good"". * Space tourism. * Energy relay satellites ta Ralph",14 "Jeff, I have answers to both of your questions. First, I recommend the Sony CPD-1320 monitor. It is a 14"" Trinitron VGA monitor, but it is designed specifically for use with the LC. It works only with Macs with specific video capabilities which means only the LC's and anything after the ci. All it takes is a MAC<->VGA cable (I recommend one from James Engineering which is about $20). These cost about $335 as compared to the much higher prices of comparable monitors because they are not multisynch. I have used one for half a year and I love it. Second, I have used Syex and found them to be decent. I had a backorder on a Supra modem which I cancelled. They were helpful in explaining the reasons why there were delays and they had Supra's number ready for me. The only complaint was that they did not always return my calls. I have been told that the CPD-1320 is selling for $339 from J&R's (800)221-8180. I think Syex is a little more, but I don't know. -David",4 "Is there a PD version of cfb, or other PD server stuff, which has a colour frame buffer implementation which works in bitplaned mode, i.e. where the screen memory is grouped so that ""bit 0 of every pixel is here, bit 1 is there, etc."" The only such beast I know if at the moment is the GfxBase server for the Commodore Amiga, and it is commercial. I don't know if they wrote their own cfb, but I suspect they did. Please respond by email, as I don't read this group. Many thanks Dave",5 "I'm thinking of splashing out on a new motherboard for my PC. I am running Linux as my main OS, with a small DOS partition left for my flatmates' games. My current setup is a 386SX-25 (AMD) with 387SX-25 (ITT - I think) and 9 Mbytes of 70ns SIMMS, and (120+100)Mbyte IDE. Basically I have two choices 1) Get a 386DX-40 + 387DX-40 or 2) Get some sort of 486. Unfortunately I live in the UK where computer prices are far too high. The first option works out at about \pounds 200. 486 m/boards start at this price for a SX-25. I have a couple of questions. 1) How much of an improvement in speed should I notice if I get a 386DX+copro. Remember I'm using a 32 bit OS, and alot of Floating Point operations. 2) How much faster would a 486DX-33 be than the 386DX-40+copro ? Should I get an upgradeable m/board with a 386DX-40 and wait for AMD/Pentium price pressure to reduce the costs of the 486 ? Any experiences will be most helpful ... Kenny. PS. Example prices: 386DX-40+copro M/board ~$270 486DX33 M/board ~$580 ----------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth MacDonald E-mail kenny@castle.ed.ac.uk Dept. of Geology & Geophysics University of Edinburgh Scotland",3 " ",3 "Anyone seen any press releases or heard any rumors of a cache card for the LCIII, now that it has the full data bus width on the PDS slot?",4 "From my rather rusty knowledge of radio, most radio receivers use a superhet circuit, so that the incoming signal is mixed with a local oscillator, giving a fixed intermediate frequency (IF) that is more easily amplified. The detector detectors work by picking up IF re-radiated from your radar detector. In Britain, where one has/used to pay for a TV licence, there are/were TV detector vans prowling the streets, looking for people who hadn't paid their licence fee. They had a couple of long solenoid antennae on the roof, and I believe could triangulate an operating TV from the IF. I wonder how much of the IF is radiated back from the detector antenna, and how much from the rest of the module. It might be worth putting the detector in a proper RF shielded enclosure. ",12 " Lev 17:11: For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you upon the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood that makes atonement for the soul. The Old Testament was very big on the ""eye for an eye"" business. It makes sense that Leviticus would support physical injury to ""repay"" moral wrongdoing. I know about sanctification. I've been taught all about it in Sunday school, catechism class, and theology classes. But even after all that, I still can't accept it. Maybe I'm still not understanding it, or maybe I'm just understanding it all too well. From the bottom of my heart I know that the punishment of an innocent man is wrong. I've tried repeatedly over the course of several years to accept it, but I just can't. If this means that I can't accept the premise that a god who would allow this is 'perfectly good', then so be it. If you can explain to me why the death of Jesus was a *good* thing, then I would be very glad to hear it, and you might even convert me. Be warned, however, that I've heard all the most common arguments before, and they just don't convince me. ",19 " I'm sorry, but He does not! Ever read the FIRST commandment? ",19 " [of who else but President of the United States William Jefferson Clinton.] Tsk. Surely you don't wish for the Democrats to destroy our beloved country just so your party can get some trivial political advantage? That's rather a petty way to think. (Not that this pettiness doesn't extend all the way to the U.S. Senate, I've noticed...) While Bush was president, I kept hoping and praying that he'd wise up. I couldn't stand the man, but I wish he'd done a decent job; if so, we might not be in the mess we are now, and that would be a small price to pay for suffering through another term of Republican control. Similarily, YOU should be hoping and praying that Clinton does a good job. Even if you're certain he won't.",18 "My next project is to come up with an IF/detector module for fast -- 112 to 250 kB/sec -- packet radio use. No fancy modulation scheme, just wide FSK for use at 902 or 1296 MHz. I'm a bit familiar with the Motorola 3362 chip, but I wonder if there are newer designs that might work at higher input frequencies. My goal is to come up with an inexpensive design for a receiver ""back end"" with IF input on one end and an FSK demondulator on the other. I'm particularly interested in ways to use a higher IF than 10.7 -- do any current chips work up to, say 150MHz with internal downconversion so a normal IF filter can be used? Any suggestions? John ",12 " It was good to see the Wings play, but lets not give ESPN too much credit. There weren't any other late baseball games on so they didn't have another option.",10 " Please count me in also... Just can't tell you how excited I was when the Islanders beat the Rangers in overtime on last Friday!!!",10 "Here is a different viewpoint. In practice there is little difference in quality but more care is needed with inkjet because smudges etc. can happen. A cheap laser printer does not manage that sort of throughput and on top of that how long does the _first_ sheet take to print? Inkjets are faster than you say and in both cases the computer often has trouble keeping up with the printer. (I have a 486/33 and a lot of drivers cannot keep up with the printer) A sage said to me: ""Do you want one copy or lots of copies?"", ""One"", ""Inkjet"". Paper cost is the same and both can use refills. Long term the laserprinter will need some expensive replacement parts (consumables) and on top of that are the amortisation costs which favour the lowest purchase cost printer. HP inkjets understand PCL so in many cases a laserjet driver will work if the software package has no inkjet driver. There is one wild difference between the two printers: a laserprinter is a page printer whilst an inkjet is a line printer. This means that a laserprinter can rotate graphic images whilst an inkjet cannot. Few drivers actually use this facility. (there is also the matter of downloadable fonts and so on)",12 "Not exactly dumb, but who remebers the tachometer on the 69 or 70 Firebird bulging out of the _hood_ right in front of the driver. Neat place but I love to know what the elemnts did to its internals after a few years. Also, does the speedomete pointer on many US cars have to be 3 feet long?. ",7 " Hey! I LIKE quiche, even if I did have to look at your note to spell it (assumed) correctly. Really, you <*sniff*> tough guys are all the same...",8 "Buck Showalter just can't win. Bob Wickman's pitching the game of his life through eight innings (Yanks lead 6-1), so Buck decides to let the kid try and get his first complete game. Wickman manages to get two outs, but in between, four funs score, and all of a sudden it's 6-5, and Wickman just can't get the third out. So Buck goes to the bullpen, and Farr gets out the first guy he faces. Last night, Jimmy Key is pitching another in a long string of games of his life (this guy just keeps getting better!) through eight innings (Yanks lead 4-0). This time, Buck thinks, ""I don't want a repeat of that near-fiasco with Wickman, so I'll give my bullpen some work."" Steve Howe, whose ERA was 54.00 coming into the game, left with it at 81.00. He didn't do too good. Then Farr comes in. He gives up a two-run homer, and the Royals win it, 6-5. What's going on? This is already the third or fourth time this year that the bullpen has blown a lead. Farr & Howe have done it twice together, Monteleone's done it once, and I think even Habyan did it once. What's the deal? We finally have terrific starting pitching, so all of a sudden, our bullpen turns to shit! What's Buck gonna do? And what's George gonna do if this continues to happen?",9 "Does anyone know where I can still get an internal fax modem for the original mac portable? I know they were made for a while by several manufacturers, but I can't find them now. thanks for your help. Gene Wright ",4 "Thanks, Steve, for your helpful and informative comments on Mac stereo sound. Too bad some developers aren't addressing the problem. This did make my trusty old Mac II superior to the Quadra I replaced it with in one way though! :) Thanks,",4 "Just a pointer to the article in the current Science News article on Federal R&D funding. Very briefly, all R&D is being shifted to gaining current competitive advantage from things like military and other work that does not have as much commercial utility.",14 "This is to let you know that the fourth issue of the Copt-Net Newsletter has been issued. The highlights of this issue include: 1. Easter Greating: Christ is risen; Truly he is risen! 2. The Holy Family in Egypt (part 1) 3. Anba Abraam, the Friend of the Poor (part 4) 4. A review of the Coptic Encyclopedia 5. A new Dictionary of the Coptic Language This Newsletter has been prepared by members of Copt-Net, a forum where news, activities, and services of the Coptic Orthodox Churches and Coptic communities outside Egypt are coordinated and exchanged. If you want your name to be included in the mailing list, or have any questions please contact Nabil Ayoub at .",15 "Over the years, I have met Christians who are not associated with any local church and are not members of any local church. This is an issue that may be very personal, but is important. What does the Bible say about this and how can we encourage our friends with regard to this issue?",15 "Posted for a friend: Looking for tires, dimensions 14"" x 3.25"" or 3.35"" Also looking for brakes or info on relining existing shoes. Also any other Maicoletta owners anywhere to have contact with. Call Scott at 801-583-1354 or email me. -- I saw fops by the thousand sew themselves together round the Lloyds building.",8 " Are you suggesting that we should forget the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people by the Armenians between 1914 and 1920? But most people aren't aware that in 1939 Hitler said that he would pattern his elimination of the Jews based upon what the Armenians did to Turkish people in 1914. 'After all, who remembers today the extermination of the Tartars?' (Adolf Hitler, August 22, 1939: Ruth W. Rosenbaum (Durusoy), ""The Turkish Holocaust - Turk Soykirimi"", p. 213.) I refer to the Turks and Kurds as history's forgotten people. It does not serve our society well when most people are totally unaware of what happened in 1914 where a vicious society, run by fascist Armenians, decided to simply use the phoniest of pretexts as an excuse, for wiping out a peace-loving, industrious, and very intelligent and productive ethnic group. What we have is a demand from the fascist government of x-Soviet Armenia to redress the wrongs that were done against our people. And the only way we can do that is if we can catch hold of and not lose sight of the historical precedence in this very century. We cannot reverse the events of the past, but we can and we must strive to keep the memory of this tragedy alive on this side of the Atlantic, so as to help prevent a recurrence of the extermination of a people because of their religion or their race. Which means that I support the claims of the Turks and Kurds to return to their lands in x-Soviet Armenia, to determine their own future as a nation in their own homeland. Serdar Argic",17 " But, the goal need not be a subjective one. For instance, the goal of natural morality is the propogation of a species, perhaps. It wasn't really until the more intelligent animals came along that some revisions to this were necessary. Intelligent animals have different needs than the others, and hence a morality suited to them must be a bit more complicated than ""the law of the jungle."" I don't think that self-actualization is so subjective as you might think. And, by objectivity, I am assuming that the ideals of any such system could be carried out completely.",0 "Has anyone experienced a faint shadow at all resolutions using this card. Is only in Windows. I have replaced card and am waiting on latest drivers. Also have experienced General Protection Fault Errors in WSPDPSF.DRV on Winword Tools Option menu and in WINFAX setup. I had a ATI Ultra but was getting Genral Protection Fault errors in an SPSS application. These card manufactures must have terrible quality control to let products on the market with so many bugs. What a hassle. Running on Gateway 2000 DX2/50. Thx Dave L ",2 " Geez, where have you been, Ryan? I proposed this theory *months* ago. Let's take it one step further, even. If, as the surveys show, up to 33% of all men have *had* a homosexual encounter, then there must be an even *larger* percentage of people who have had homosexual erotic fantasies. But if less than 10% of the population is gay, what can we say about these people who don't identify as gay but have demonstrated gay potential. Obviously, a large chunk of these people *chose* (or, more accurately, were forced to choose by force of religion and social sanction) to put those feelings aside, to be heterosexual. Obviously, Cramer and Kaldis fall into this category. These people are the ones who are so hung up on ""choice."" Obviously, since *they chose*, everyone must have, and homosexuals are just flaunting their ""perversion"" by choosing not to go along with what society has dictated. Of course, I'm that most awful of perverts. I chose, I gleefully admit that I was heterosexual until I met the right man and *chose* to indulge in my homoerotic potential. Take that! Elf !!! -- elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)",18 " [stuff deleted] Then why not simply stop reading them. This isn't intended as a flame, but your post reminds me of the old joke: Patient: ""Doctor it hurts when I do this."" Doctor: ""Then stop doing that.""",18 " ..... ..... ..... ..... One case of Slovenian paranoia. Once upon a time a tried to walk over the (famous) Marathon field, not far away from Athens. I could not do that mostly becouse the field is now a huge antenna farm. Probably a Greek COMINT installation, would you agree? -- Borut B. Lavrencic, D.Sc. | X.400 :C=si;A=mail;P=ac;O=ijs;S=lavrencic J. Stefan Institute | Internet:Borut.B.Lavrencic@ijs.si University of Ljubljana, | Phone :+ 386 1 159 199 SI-61111 Ljubljana, Slovenia | PGP Public Key available on request",11 " And you wrote an *excellent* report about it. I understand (from an unreliable source) that Canseco was considered expendable by the A's when he refused to accept any coaching about his batting stance. The A's brain trust came to believe that his back problems were exacerbated, if not caused, by having a wide open stance, closing it quickly and then swinging with a lot of torque (that's a paraphrase of what I remember). In any event, Canseco took the road that he and he alone would decide his stance, and the A's began to believe that he would either reinjure himself or begin to lose his ability to hit for both average and power. Apparently, you sound like LaRussa. The A's also objected about this. Again, I'm just repeating something I heard. But possibly the cause and effect is the reverse of that. -- The Beastmaster ",9 "Hi there, I can't seem to get mail to you. Can you tell me your entire adress, or even your dotted decimal address? (ie. 131.202.3.10) Thanks, rocket@calvin.cs.unb.ca -- ",10 " IMO any good player should score on power plays because of the man advantage. Very good power play scorers tend to become overrated because their point totals are inflated by power play points. +/- tends to expose these overrated players such as Brett Hull, John Cullen and Dave Andreychuck. Given the opportunity to play power play consistently, any player can inflate his totals.",10 " Jehovah's Witnesses do not believe that Christians are required to observe the Sabbath, whether it is on Saturday or Sunday. The Sabbath was part of a Covenent between God and the Israelites and is not required for Christians.",19 "It didn't happen. Obviously. You are an authority worshiper. Give me a camera, and time with you, and I can present excerpts that show you to be a cult leader. Guarenteed. You should at least view the whole documentary before you claim it as a source. Two places, eh? You saw this? Or did the wonderful FBI tell you this? I saw one place. Couldn't answer this one, eh? This is the most important question of all, it is the root cause of all the other suspicion. Jim -- jmd@handheld.com",16 ,15 "# #Unfortunately, homosexuals don't believe in this concept of freedom. # #They believe that they have a right to FORCE people to hire them, # #rent to them, and do business with them, regardless of the feelings # #or beliefs of the other person. # # Allow me to point out that Clayton is once again unfairly lumping an # entire class of people, as if they all have one will. Having completely # dived into the abyss of believing that there are no queers in the world # who think differently from the child-molestation-advocating minority on # soc.motss, he doesn't even notice that he's starting a sentence with # ""They believe"" when the referent of that ""they"" is millions of people. # ""...so few as to be irrelevant..."" If you don't want to be lumped together as a group, stop insisting on being treated as a member of a group. # # Force people to hire? No. Require people to give them a fair # # look? Yes. # # #You give them a fair look. You decide that you don't want to hire # #the guy wearing the NAMBLA T-shirt. He files a lawsuit. You lose. # #Yes, such laws force you to hire homosexuals. # # Pedophiles, as well? Sexual orientation is not defined by the anti-discrimination law that was passed last year. Pedophilia isn't a sexual orientation? # And, Cramer, let me describe how you'd have it, and see if this is # accurate. I apply for a job at a computer company. They see I'm # wearing some article of homosexual adornment, I dunno, maybe a # ""Silence = Death"" pin or something. They turn me down because of # that. I can't do a darned thing and have to go look somewhere else. # Am I correct in assuming that you wholeheartedly approve of the # company's actions, or at least that you wholeheartedly support their # right to take that action? I wholeheartedly support their right to take this action. I wouldn't do it myself, unless it was something like the NAMBLA T-shirt. # How about: a black man applies for a job at a bank. The bank decides, # based on statistics, a black person would be more likely to steal # money, and denies the man the job. Would you support the bank's right # to this freedom? If not, explain how this differs. I support their right to do so (just like I support your right to engage in sodomy with consenting adults), but I think they are doing something wrong. I wouldn't do business with such a bank. # Clayton has repeatedly said that California's statutes classify # pedophilia as a sexual orientation, and that discriminating on the # basis of sexual orientation is illegal. # # If true, I'm frankly amazed. But I don't trust Clayton to give me # the whole story. Would someone clarify for me whether this is true, # what sort of discrimination Clayton's talking about (jobs? housing? # hate crimes?), and whether the effect of the law is really that # a daycare has to hire an admitted pedophile. # -- # Jamie McCarthy Internet: k044477@kzoo.edu AppleLink: j.mccarthy Here's the law that was passed and signed by the governor: The people of the State of California do enact as follows: 1 SECTION 1. The purpose of this act is to codify 2 existing case law as determined in Gay Law Students v. 3 Pacific Telephone and Telegraph, 24 Cal. 3d 458 (1979) 4 and Soroka v. Dayton Hudson Corp., 235 Cal. App. 3d 654 5 (1991) prohibiting discrimination based on sexual 6 orientation. 7 SEC. 2. Section 1102. is added to the Labor Code, to 8 read: 9 1102.1. (a) Sections 1101 and 1102 prohibit 10 discrimination or disparate treatment in any of the terms 11 and conditions of employment based on actual or 12 perceived sexual orientation. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 13 (b) This section shall not apply to a religious 14 association or corporation not organized for private 15 profit, whether incorporated as a religious or public 16 benefit corporation. ",18 " Nor mine, either of them!",2 " Hey, Does anyone know of an ftp site where I can get pkunzip2.04g from. I tried using archie with no such luck. This version of pkunzip is suppose to correct some promblems when using pkunzip within windows. Thanks in advance! :-) ",2 " How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want to access its pins. Why are you posting this tripe to rec.autos.vw?",7 " I don't claim to be an expert on the branch Davidians, but I might know more than most. The Branch Davidian group (led by Koresh) is actually one of two off-shoots of a group known as the Shephard's Rod. The Shephard's Rod (now defunct as far as I know)broke off from the SDA Church in the 30's. The Shephard's Rod broke away from the SDA Church because they felt that the SDA Church was becoming weak and falling into apostacy. They felt that they were the remnant spoken about in Revelation. About the Koresh group, Koresh gained control of it in 1987 or 1988. Once in control, he made himself the center of it. He proclaimed himself as Christ. Koresh himself came from an SDA background. He was excommunicated as a young adult by the local congregation for trying to exert too much control over the youth in the church. After this, he joined the Branch Davidians. They were/are a survivalist cult. This is why they had the stockpile of weapons, food, a bomb shelter, etc. They had no intent of raiding the US government or anything. They were preparing for Armaggedon and were putting themselves in a self defense position. In my opinion, if the ATF and the FBI had left well enough alone, we wouldn' t have the blood of 20+ children crying out from the ashes in Waco. If you want to know about The Shephard's Rod, you might want to visit the local SDA church and talk to some of the older people. They could give you some insight into where Koresh got his theology.",15 " I, too, have a XC68882RC50 math coprocessor, which I installed succesfully in my Mega Midget Racer (clocked at 33 MHz). I have tried clocking my FPU at 28 to 50 MHz and it all worked just fine. I have a MC68030-33 CPU. I don't know why my FPU has an XC (my original 33MHz FPU was label MC68882-33), but it seems to work fine on my system. Maybe you just have a bad chip. Stefan",12 "What an exciting thread (finally!) Mitra is Sanskrit for Friend, as such He started out as an avatar of Lord Visnu mentioned first in the Vedas. Later he seems to have risen to chief prominence worshipped by the Persians. Associated with the Sun but NOT the Sun, he is the lord of contract honor and obedience, therefore naturally worshipped by soldiers. He was ordered by the Sun to slay the bull of heaven and He reluct- antly agreed because of His obligation...the blood of that bull spilled and grew all earth life...then Mitra and the Sun sat down to eat. Worship of Lord Mitra ended in Persia with the ascension of the Zoroastrians. Hundreds of years later He was rediscovered and thrown into the Official Roman Pantheon (tm) for some semi-tricky reason, I forget why. But all references of Him ended abruptly when He was stricken from same, so apparently His worship was some sort of vehicle for advancement in the bureaucracy, like membership in the Communist Party was in the Soviet Bloc. The sociology of religion in ancient times is fascinating! Oh, His B-day was 25 Dec. Ahem. I am not sure if the mystery cult really lasted after His was booted from the Roman Imperial God Roster or what. It contained mostly soldiers, with 7 levels of initiation. They worshipped underground in caverns in pews. The bull horns in those temples were for scaring away or impaling evil spirits, I'm not sure that they had Mithraic significance or not. I don't know that the ritual meal was of a cannibalistic nature as is the Christian masses. But eating deities goes way back to Old Kingdom Egypt. Someone mentioned bullfighting. Did Mithraists sacrifice bulls? I forget. More likely, for a religious source, might be the shower of bull's blood enjoyed by the worshippers of Cybele on the Day of Blood? Cybele worship extended all throughout even up to France bigtime.",19 " Having spoken to technical staff from Ford many times, I can assure you that internally at Ford this car is always called the Taurus ""Show"" or just ""the Show"". As in long ""o"" sound. I still refer to it as the ""S-H-O"", however, because it sounds better to me. I assume many purist fans and owners prefer using the Ford lingo. ",7 " [...] You seem to be saying that a LIMITED government will provide MORE opportunities for private interests to use it to pursue their own agendas, and asking libertarians to prove that this will NOT happen. While I can't offer such a proof, it seems pretty damn plausible that if the government does not regulate a particular area, it cannot become a tool of private interests to pursue their own agendas in that area. I rather suspect that it's the sort of government we have NOW that is more likely to become such a tool, and that it IS such a tool in many instances. I suspect that this is because ""improvement in the human condition"" as you define it is not the primary goal of libertarianism, and would not be the primary goal of a libertarian government. My impression of libertarianism is that its primary goal is the elimination of government coercion except in a very limited cases. -- Ian Sutherland ian@eecs.nwu.edu",18 " ",5 ,14 "Hello, I have a BC200XLT handheld radio scanner which recieves police, fire, ambulance, aircraft, cordless and cellular phone, etc. The unit is in original condition and comes with the manual, the power supply and battery charger. Price is $200 plus s/h. Austin Harris",6 " Did you miss my post on this topic with the quote from The Indonesian Handbook and Fred Rice's comments about temporary marriages? If so, I will be glad to repost them. Will you accept that it just may be a practice among some Muslims, if I do? Or will you continue to claim that we are all lying and that it is ""not practised at all amongst Muslims"". I don't think F. Karner has to tell everyone anything. Least of all that he is lying.",0 " It is no matter what you call the teams, Jokerit and TPS, or Helsinki Tornado and Turku Typhoon, the best palyers in Finland would eventually end up in those teams anyway, if they were in the ""big"" league. ",10 " Where were you brought up? In the former USSR? Is Innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers, NOT Dan Rather, dead in this country? Seems so. Is tax evasion, the only charge brought against the BDs, punishable by death in this country, now? Not really. You are a blind idiot. ""Not sure"", yet you condem them to death for it? If the BATF had stayed home, all would be alive, now. So who murdered who? You have a short memory. next. Sleep well, tonite, heartless idiot. Sleep the sleep of the simple-minded. I shall weep for my country, myself. I'm short of patience tonite, but rabid dogs deserve and get better treatment than the BDs got. Jim -- jmd@handheld.com",19 " Well, yes, the exhaust is where the majority of the noise comes out, but the basics (tone, firing cadence, etc.) are determined by the engine configuration. In the case of the Viper, yes, we are discussing a HUGE multicylinder 90-deg. engine, which will sound somewhat like a truck. And my understanding, btw, is that that V-10 engine was designed originally with the intention of being ad- aptible for either the trucks or the Viper. And from what I've heard (no first hand knowledge :-( ) it's doing a pretty good job at both. And the best exhaust sound in the world is now and will always be a 60-degree DOHC Colombo-designed V-12. Period.",7 " Right. In the thirties both Buick and Packard had two spares mounted in wells in the front fenders. Of course that was back when the front fenders were long enough to provide room. There were a couple of other marques that did this as well, but memory fades.",7 "I do not have this type of problem, but at one point an Apple rep told me that Duo's ""System Enabler"" file version 1.0.1 fixes some kind of sleep-related problem. You may want to investigate this...",4 "Subject says it all... Anyone know where I can find one. Binaries are nice, but source would do to. Thanks in advance, ",5 " So which are you advocating? That You know Nothing About American History, Or that You Know Nothing About the Bible? Is this a Restoration of the ""Know Nothing"" Party? ciao drieux ps: what WAS the ""Free Negro Sailor Act"" about, and what was the Supreme Court's Ruling On it... and More Importantly, how does this Complicate the Mythology that all blacks were slaves???? ",18 " Hmmm.. The LDDC security guards over here in Docklands only place parking stickers on the drivers SIDE windows.. But on reflection that could still cause an accident.. Suppose it's because people aren't as litigious over here as in the states :-) Stephen",8 "Dear Folks: It's a pleasure to be able to announce the release of a new freeware program, Xavier, an audio and video extension to InterViews. Xavier(eXtension AV class for IntERviews) is a C++ class library that adds multimedia capability to InterViews. It allows composite multimedia objects to be built from media objects. Specifically, it adds audio and video objects to the classes available in InterViews 3.0.1/3.1, and it does so without changing the source code for the original classes (though several configuration files for InterViews need to be changed via a patch file). Currently, the Xavier audio classes are only supported on SUN workstations with an audio interface, such as the SPARCstation2. Xavier has been tested in the following environments: SUN: Machine : SPARCserver470 SPARCstation-IPC OS : SUN-OS4.1.1 or later C++ : SUN C++ ver2.1 NEC(EWS): Machine : EWS4800/210,230 OS : EWS-UX/V(Rel4.0) WSOS41 Release5.1,Release5.2 C++ : C++ Release3.1 It can be obtained via anonymous ftp from interviews.stanford.edu in /pub/contrib/ (Xavier.large-demo.tar, and Xavier.tar) We are preparing a mailing-list for information regarding Xavier. If you are interested, please contact xavier@tsl.cl.nec.co.jp. I will add your e-mail address to our list. [Reference] o Rei Hamakawa, Hizekazu Sakagami, Jun Rekimoto: Audio and Video Extension to Graphical Interface Toolkits, The Third International Workshop on Network and Operating System Support for Digital Audio and Video, San Diego, 1992",5 "From another not-so-distressed-but-still-wondering-about-a-few-things Cardinal fan: He's not the greatest - this is true. I saw it. Lankford was hurt, although the announcer said he told Torre he could pinch hit if they needed him to. I wondered the same thing. But giving Joe the benefit of the doubt, I'd say he was thinking that Lankford is hurt enough that he didn't trust his ability to bat effectively but he wants his speed on the bases so pinch run him. Alicea I was completely confused about. Maybe he had a good record hitting against that particular pitcher? I don't know. Anybody got an idea? Well, so far I haven't seen much to say Whiten shouldn't be playing but it is too bad that Gilkey is the odd man out when they play Jordan ahead of him. That I don't quite understand. Yup, I looked for this on the replay too. If I'm Joe Torre, I'm going to have a talk with Bucky after the game on that one. He's got Lankford at third with Todd Zeile I believe - a hot hitter - coming up - there's no reason to risk giving Lankford the go sign in that situation unless he was sure the ball is going to the stands. It's his job to watch the play develop - he should have known Larkin was there to back up a bad throw. That seemed inexcusable in my book. BTW, I saw Dent do the same thing last year with Zeile rounding third and going into a sure out at home in a critical situation. On the replay, there's Dent waving him around. It looks like this might be a serious problem. The Card's weren't good base runners at all last year and I wonder how much of the fault lies in the base coaching. Well, I'm still hanging in there. GO REDBIRDS!! WOOF, WOOF!!! Dick Detweiler",9 " I have already called senators, legislators and the Governor demanding that the warrants be unsealed, and that all involved in this atrocity (including the President, Attorney General and Governor) be suspended pending an investigation. I seriously doubt, however, that anything will ever be done. Welcome to Amerika! ",16 "THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary (Pittsburgh, Pennslyvania) ______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 17, 1993 RADIO ADDRESS TO THE NATION BY THE PRESIDENT Pittsburgh International Airport Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 10:06 A.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: Good morning. My voice is coming to you this morning through the facilities of the oldest radio station in America, KDKA in Pittsburgh. I'm visiting the city to meet personally with citizens here to discuss my plans for jobs, health care and the economy. But I wanted first to do my weekly broadcast with the American people. I'm told this station first broadcast in 1920 when it reported that year's presidential elections. Over the past seven decades presidents have found ways to keep in touch with the people, from whistle-stop tours to fire-side chats to the bus tour that I adopted, along with Vice President Gore, in last year's campaign. Every Saturday morning I take this time to talk with you, my fellow Americans, about the problems on your minds and what I'm doing to try and solve them. It's my way of reporting to you and of giving you a way to hold me accountable. You sent me to Washington to get our government and economy moving after years of paralysis and policy and a bad experiment with trickle-down economics. You know how important it is for us to make bold, comprehensive changes in the way we do business. We live in a competitive global economy. Nations rise and fall on the skills of their workers, the competitiveness of their companies, the imagination of their industries, and the cooperative experience and spirit that exists between business, labor and government. Although many of the economies of the industrialized world are now suffering from slow growth, they've made many of the smart investments and the tough choices which our government has for too long ignored. That's why many of them have been moving ahead and too many of our people have been falling behind. We have an economy today that even when it grows is not producing new jobs. We've increased the debt of our nation by four times over the last 12 years, and we don't have much to show for it. We know that wages of most working people have stopped rising, that most people are working longer work weeks and that too many families can no longer afford the escalating cost of health care. But we also know that, given the right tools, the right incentives and the right encouragement, our workers and businesses can make the kinds of products and profits our economy needs to expand opportunity and to make our communities better places to live. In many critical products today Americans are the low cost, high quality producers. Our task is to make sure that we create more of those kinds of jobs. Just two months ago I gave Congress my plan for long-term jobs and economic growth. It changes the old priorities in Washington and puts our emphasis where it needs to be -- on people's real needs, on increasing investments and jobs and education, on cutting the federal deficit, on stopping the waste which pays no dividends, and redirecting our precious resources toward investment that creates jobs now and lays the groundwork for robust economic growth in the future. These new directions passed the Congress in record time and created a new sense of hope and opportunity in our country. Then the jobs plan I presented to Congress, which would create hundreds of thousands of jobs, most of them in the private sector in 1993 and 1994, passed the House of Representatives. It now has the support of a majority of the United States Senate. But it's been held up by a filibuster of a minority in the Senate, just 43 senators. They blocked a vote that they know would result in the passage of our bill and the creation of jobs. The issue isn't politics; the issue is people. Millions of Americans are waiting for this legislation and counting on it, counting on us in Washington. But the jobs bill has been grounded by gridlock. I know the American people are tired of business as usual and politics as usual. I know they don't want us to spin or wheels. They want the recovery to get moving. So I have taken a first step to break this gridlock and gone the extra mile. Yesterday I offered to cut the size of this plan by 25 percent -- from $16 billion to $12 billion. It's not what I'd hoped for. With 16 million Americans looking for full-time work, I simply can't let the bill languish when I know that even a compromise bill will mean hundreds of thousands of jobs for our people. The mandate is to act to achieve change and move the country forward. By taking this initiative in the face of an unrelenting Senate talkathon, I think we can respond to your mandate and achieve a significant portion of our original goals. First, we want to keep the programs as much as possible that are needed to generate jobs and meet human needs, including highway and road construction, summer jobs for young people, immunization for children, construction of waste water sites, and aid to small businesses. We also want to keep funding for extended unemployment compensation benefits, for people who have been unemployed for a long time because the economy isn't creating jobs. Second, I've recommended that all the other programs in the bill be cut across-the-board by a little more than 40 percent. And third, I've recommended a new element in this program to help us immediately start our attempt to fight against crime by providing $200 million for cities and towns to rehire police officers who lost their jobs during the recession and put them back to work protecting our people. I'm also going to fight for a tough crime bill because the people of this country need it and deserve it. Now, the people who are filibustering this bill -- the Republican senators -- say they won't vote for it because it increases deficit spending, because there's extra spending this year that hasn't already been approved. That sounds reasonable, doesn't it? Here's what they don't say. This program is more than paid for by budget cuts over my five-year budget, and this budget is well within the spending limits already approved by the Congress this year. It's amazing to me that many of these same senators who are filibustering the bill voted during the previous administration for billions of dollars of the same kind of emergency spending, and much of it was not designed to put the American people to work. This is not about deficit spending. We have offered a plan to cut the deficit. This is about where your priorities are -- on people or on politics. Keep in mind that our jobs bill is paid for dollar for dollar. It is paid for by budget cuts. And it's the soundest investment we can now make for ourselves and our children. I urge all Americans to take another look at this jobs and investment program; to consider again the benefits for all of us when we've helped make more American partners working to ensure the future of our nation and the strength of our economy. You know, if every American who wanted a job had one, we wouldn't have a lot of the other problems we have in this country today. This bill is not a miracle, it's a modest first step to try to set off a job creation explosion in this country again. But it's a step we ought to take. And it is fully paid for over the life of our budget. Tell your lawmakers what you think. Tell them how important the bill is. If it passes, we'll all be winners. Good morning, and thank you for listening.",18 " You'll probably get one when you realize that your $100 vesa super dooper local bus ultra high tech controller sucks... With any luck PC bus archeitecture will be doen any with by sbus. Have you ever seen what happens when you hook a busmaster controller to a vesa local bus. It actually slows down your system Maybe my workstation doesn't understand what your vesa local bus IDE is Vesa local bus will be killed off by pcmi? whatever intels spec is. VLBUS it not good for much more than vga cards. To each his own. I'll laugh when you start crying over how much you spent for your 2 little ide drives and then finding out you need more space. Here Here.... don't stick your foot in your mouth when you make a statement you know nothing about. I'd rather wait a second compared to the 5 minutes and ide would take. (obviously exaggerated). Have you ever tried to backup 2 gigs of disk? Oh I forgot you can't because you have an ide and no one makes ide disks that big. I guess you probably bought a 486sx too What? The SCSI-2 FAST,WIDE spec has much more bandwidth than any stupid vlbus ide crap.... Stop this thread now, Its just cluttering up bandwidth. If you want to read about scsi vs ide just pay a visit to you local usenet archive. the best SCSI-2 FAST,WIDE,etc is clearly faster than any the best ide drive. All the response given are based upon personal experience with 1 or 2 drives. You can't judge such completely different interfaces. IDE has the low cost adavantage + a descent performance. SCSI has the ability for super high capacity expandibility and speed. neither one is better in all cases. If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa busmastering cards. send flames to /dev/null..... ",3 " ",13 " You ask where we are. I would echo that question. I'm not trying to be contentious. But assuming that the Pope has universal jurisdiction and authority, what authority do you rely upon for your decisions? What prevents me from choosing ANY doctrine I like and saying that Papal disagreement is an error that will be resolved in time? This is especially true, since Councils of Bishops have basically stood by the Pope. It appears that much of what lies at the heart of this matter is disagreements over what is tradition and Tradition, and also over authority and discipline. My question to the supporters of SSPX is this: Is there ANY way that your positions with respect to church reforms could change and be conformed to those of the Pope? (assuming that the Pope's position does not change and that the leaders of SSPX don't jointly make such choice.) If not, this appears to be claiming infallible teaching authority. If I adopt the view that ""I'm NOT wrong, I CAN'T be wrong, and there's NO WAY I'll change my mind, YOU must change yours"", that I've either left the Catholic Church or it has left me. The Orthodox Church does not recognize papal authority/jurisdiction viewing authority as present in each bishop, and in Ecumenical Councils. We regard the subsequent development of the doctrines regarding papal authority and jurisdiction to be a separation of the Bishop of Rome from the Orthodox church. Without going into the merits of the Great Schism, at least the Orthodox agree that a split occurred, and don't paly what appear to be semantic games like ""He's the Pope, but we don't recognize that what he does is effective..."". Words aside, it appears to be a de facto split. We sould argue from now until the Second Coming about what the ""real"" traditional teaching of the Church is. If this were a simple matter East and West would not have been separated for over 900 years. I thought that the teaching magisterieum of the church did not allow error in teachings regarding faith and morals even in the short term.` I may be wrong here, I'm not Roman Catholic. :-) What would be the effect of a Pope making an ex cathedra statement regarding the SSPX situation? Would it be honored? If not, how do you get around the formal doctrine of infallibility? Again, I'm not trying to be contentions, I'm trying to understand. Since I'm Orthodox, I've got no real vested interest in the outcome, one way or the other. It does if the command was legitimate. SSPX does not view the Pope's commands as legitimate. Why? This is a VERY slippery slope. True enough. One could argue that they are establishing a non-geographic jurisdiction. I don't know if that's even a concept or problem in Catholic circles. Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com) -- ",15 "Available for Weekly/bi-weekly/weekend Rental : A brand new chalet in a private resort community located in the heart of the Pocono Mountains. The chalet has 3 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms and features full carpeting, cathedral ceiling in living/dining room, an overlooking loft, stone fireplace, wraparound deck, country kitchen with all appliances and many other features too numerous to list them all. Its custom designed and built and tastefully furnished for the comfort of 8 adults. The community has 24 hour security and offers 2 large lakes, 4 sandy beaches, 2 swimming pools, 9 tennis courts, many picnic areas, 4 playgrounds, miniature golf, trout stream/lake fishing, team softball, shuffleboard, ice skating/tobagun run, teen dances, club house etc. etc. There are many recreational facilities within easy reach of the vacation home. Ski resorts, luxury hotels with nitely entertaiment, Pocono international raceway, golf courses, parks, gamelands, whitewater rafting, horseback riding, scenic trails, waterfalls, train rides, historical places, all kinds of restaurants, factory outlet malls, tourist attractions, just to name a few. This is an ideal place for a family/group vacation or a weekend getaway. There is no traffic congestion and air or water pollution and its only 2 hours from New York, Northern New Jersey and Philadelphia. For further information call :",6 "i used to say ""if i were hot enough, you could fry an egg on my oily face"". i am now 50 yrs old and my skin looks younger (i'm told) than some people's skin at 30 (it's still oily). i have only a very few tiny wrinkles. Thank your lucky stars for that skin. ",13 "I am trying to build and use imake (X11R4) on an IBM RS/6000 running AIX V3.2. I am having the following 2 problems. (1) Many of my Imakefile's have contructs like /**/#This is a makefile at the start of lines to pass Makefile comments thru the C preprocessor and into the Makefile. Most of the C preprocessors that I have used will not treat such a # as appearing at the start of the line. Thus the C preprocessor does not treat the hash symbol as the start of a directive. However the IBM cpp strips the comment and treats the hash symbol as the start of a directive. The cpp fails when it determines that ""This"" is not a known directive. I have temporarily hacked my imake to handle this situation but would like to come up with a better fix. (2) Several Imakefiles use /**/ as a parameter to a macro when a particular use of the macro does not need a value for the parameter. The AIX cpp gives warnings about these situations but continues to work OK. If you are familiar with these problems and have solutions, I would appreciate information about on your solutions. (Perhaps, this is solved in a later version of imake that I have not reviewed.) Also, do you know of other cpp's that behave similarly?",5 ,0 " conner peripherals has a 1-800 number with a touch-tone /voice response data bank giving all the info. if you call 1-800 directory assisatnce (1-800-555-1212) and ask for the phone number of ""conner peripherals,"" you should get what you need.",3 " [...] (the date I have for this is 1-26-93) note Clinton's statements about encryption in the 3rd paragraph.. I guess this statement doesen't contradict what you said, though. --- cut here ---",11 " I think you need the EMM386.EXE noems This will let the expanded mem be active but not use any, therefore this will give you more extended mem for windows yet have all the bases covered. I do not use dos6 so I am not familiar with this. c-ya..... /\/\artin",2 " Many Companies package Syquest drives for the mac already.... So unless you are using one for the IBM world, Id buy a Mac ready Config.",4 "Doesn't Motorola AMCU have something on the BBS yet? (512-891-3733) ",12 " I beg to disagree with the assertion that science is a collection of models. Scientific models are a game to play, and are only as good as the assumptions and measurements (if any) that go into them. As an example, I remember when nuclear winter was the big hype in atmospheric science. It wasn't long after Sagan's admonitions that one of our boys was adding another level of reality into his model of the nuclear winter scenario at ERL in Boulder. He decided to assume that the atmosphere is more like a two-dimensional thing, than a one- dimensional thing. He also assumed that it rained and that the winds blow in the real atmosphere. On returning to Georgia Tech, he showed a transparency of atmospheric cooling rates according to the year they were generated by the models. There was an unmistakable correlation between the age (meaning simplicity of assumptions; i.e., remoteness from reality) of each model and the degree of cooling. Whereas Sagan's model showed an approximate 40-degree cooling episode, the next model in sophistication showed about half that, and so on until we got to our boy's model, which showed a 1-2 degree drop if the war happened in the winter and less than a 10 degree drop if it happened in the summer. He predicted that when we would include the presence of oceans, chemistry, the biosphere, and other indicators of reality in the models, we would probably see even less cooling. Thus nuclear winter was reduced to even less than a nuclear autumn, one might say, to a nuclear fizzle. To quote from H.S. Yoder, The postulated models have become accepted as the reality instead of the lattice of assumptions they are. Authoritarianism dominates the field, and a very critical analysis of each argument is to be encouraged.... Skepticism of the model approach to earth problems is warranted because many key parameters have not been included. This statement surely applies equally well to cosmogony. Only when convincing observational evidence substantiates the modeled results may one suggest that the model may describe the reality. Just thought I'd clear that up before things really got out of hand. -- boundary",15 "These programs all include complete printed manuals and registration cards. I need to get rid of some excess. They're the latest versions. I've priced these programs at less than half the list price and significantly less than the cheapest mail-order price around. * MICROSOFT ENTERTAINMENT PACK VOLUME ONE, includes eight different Windows-based games, including Tetris, Taipei, Minesweeper, TicTactics, Golf, Cruel, Pegged, and IdleWild, list $49, sale $20. * JUST JOKING FOR WINDOWS 1.0, database of jokes from WordStar, can quickly find jokes for many different occasions, useful for business writers, speechwriters, presenters, and others, more than 2,800 jokes under 250 topics, can search by keyword and author, list $49, sale $25. * HUMOR PROCESSOR 2.02, DOS-based database of jokes, requires only 384 KB of RAM, along with thousands of categorized jokes you can quickly find also includes an online tutorial for writing your own jokes with proven comedy forumulas, list $99, sale $45. * HISTORY OF THE WORLD 1.0, multimedia CD-ROM covering cave society to the present, includes recordings of 25 famous speeches from Churchhill, Gandi, and others, list $795, sale $160. If you're interested in any of these programs, please phone me at 215-885-7446 (Philadelphia) and I'll save the package for you.",6 " Oh, that was just a bet. ",0 "I'm looking for a PC that is small and doesn't break apart if you drop it on the groud. It doesn't have to have graphics, text only will do just fine. It doesn't have to be fast either, 8086 will do, I hope. But you must stand a pretty hard enviroment without breaking apart, jumnping on it or trying to use it outdoor while it is raining and so forth. I need 640Kb of memory and a convinient way of loading applications into it that I wrote myself (floppy or somekind of writeable cartridge?). Is there a PC like that?? And where can I get more info? I know of the Atari portfolio but it can't stand the rain.... ",3 " Absolutely not true! There are lots of them!",17 "HELP, PROBLEM 486/33MHZ HANGS IN EXTENDED MODE TRYING TO ACCESS DRIVES A: OR B: , SOMETIMES IT WILL DO DIR , SOMETIMES WILL HANG ON ACCESS SOMETIMES WILL WHEN TYING A TEXT FILE. HARDWARE: AMERICAN MEGATREND MOTHERBOARD AMI BIOS 91 CONNER 85MB HARD DRIVE TRIDENT 1 MEG SVGA",2 "To make room for Harkey, the Cubs sent Shawn Boskie down to AAA. ",9 " The girl's OK, actually, and she recovered well enough to go home. I don't know if she has any permanent damage, though. Just in case anybody was concerned... If people start forcing others to take responsibility for their actions things like this wouldn't happen. Untill we stop blaming outside causes, and start blaming the criminals, we will continue to let things like this happen. ",7 "I am working on a project to provide an emergency management information system. In keeping with more classic command and control type systems, we are considering developing a dual screen monitor system in order to provide a status board on it's own monitor. I have a number of X level questions regarding this: (We are devloping on Unix systems using X/Motif. Platform will be predominantly Sun's, probably with ports to RS/6000 as well). I am assuming the standard dual monitor systems are configured such that we are talking about one X display and multiple screens, and not multiple X displays. Given this: - Is changing input focus from one screen to the other as simple as tracking your mouse from one screen to the other? There's nothing special that needs to be done to shift focus between screens? - Do I have to run separate window managers on the separate screens or are there multiscreen window managers out there? What are they; who sells them... - Is a multi-screen window manager the only way I can grab a window frame and move a window from one screen to the next? - Is there any way for the application to transparently see multiple screens as one logical x-y plane, or does the hardware only provide for each screen to start at 0,0? - Any thoughts on the difficulties involved with designing a system capable of using either multiple screens or a single screen (perhaps running a virtual window manager to simulate multiple screens instead)? I am assuming that this is not a major issue - that I can rely on providing config files which will specify for each configuration the screen placement of each window in the application. Any thoughts or suggestions from past experience are more than welcome. ",5 "time No, Lt Calley was later acquitted. His troops killed 400-500 people, including kids, elderly and women... I sure don't want to see the domestic law enforcement agencies in this country adhere to those ""military standards""... If they did, we're all in big trouble...(The My Lai massacre was covered up by high-ranking officials and ALL who were involved were ACQUITTED). == Minh ==",16 "I only caught the tail end of this one on ESPN. Does anyone have a report? (Look at all that Teal!!!! BLEAH!!!!!!!!!) ",9 "Hello world, does anyone know of a Postscript PPD for a Versatec A0-size plotter, which is generally accessed via a ZEH Postscript interpreter? Replies by e-mail very gratefully received - this is proving to be quite a tricky one. _________________________________________________________________________ Andrew D. Nielsen Internet : anielsen@DIALix.oz.au Advanced Systems Consultant AppleLink: AUST0278 AppleCentre Perth 69 Adelaide Tce Tel: +61-9-2214511 PERTH WA 6004 AUSTRALIA FAX: +61-9-2212527",4 " Johnny Mize had six three-HR games, which is the current record. ",9 " ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I just wanted to point out that some of the food, particularly the soups, are prepared in a big batch, so the restaurant won't be able to take the MSG out of it. Sometimes its pretty hard to find out if this is the case or not. ",13 " There were an assortment of firmware problems, but that is pretty much expected with any FAX/modem talking with a different FAX or modem which may have also been revised or is new. I'm pretty much oblivious to any current firmware problems, so you'll have to get it from someone else. However, I can tell you to stay clear of any board which uses the Rockwell MPU (as opposed to the DPU) for an internal implementation. This is because the MPU used ""speed buffering"" instead of having a 16550 interface. Without the 550 interface, the number of interrupts are still the same and thus may get dropped under multitasking conditions (like in windows). As far as I know, the ""speed buffering"" works OK for external modems if a 550 is used on the internal serial port board. Hope this helps... Tom ",3 " ",3 " 740 Turbo in UK was good for 124mph. Useful for blowing away VW Beetles, though I believe the Beetle corners better. I can say without any doubt that I have never been blown away by any Volvo, ever. I've been blocked into a few car parks though by shit-head Volvo owners who 'only thought they'd be a few minutes'. This does not happen with the owners of any other makes of car.",7 " Evidence given for her prostitute status, besides the admittedly questionable claim of the man on trial included: 1. Prior employment in a number of massage parlors, with women who claimed that she worked as a prostitute; 2. Walking around a truck stop at 4:00 AM wearing a lace miniskirt, a halter top, and no underwear of any sort; 3. Not having a purse or other I.D. with her. Not enough to convict her, but enough to create reasonable doubt whether a rape actually took place, or theft of services. Are you just ignorant, or lying again? The accounts on the evening news indicated that they claimed self- defense, and the judge agreed that they were so operating. ",18 "Yeah, the news is true...the Leafs lost to the Wings 6-3. Wish I could say I'd seen the whole game but my husband wanted to watch ""Young Guns II"" on another channel. Sometime between the first time I tuned in and d saw the Leafs tie and the next time I tuned in and heard the score was 5-1, something happened. Please no woofing from Red Wings fans. They're my third favourite team, and if they make it past the Leafs I'll wish them luck. As for Potvin...well, it WAS his fist playoff game.",10 "The following is posted for a friend. Send replies to the address at the end of the post please. Attention Zenith Z-248 owners!!! upgrade your 8 MHz AT-class machine to '386 performance with a genuine Zenith motherboard for a clone price! Motherboard and I/O card pop right in to your Z-248 case while keeping your existing video and disk controllers. Zenith Z-386/25 motherboard featuring 16kb of 16-layer, posted-write cache using 15 ns SRAM; 8 Mb of 70 ns DRAM included, accepts 20 Mb on motherboard (further RAM upgrades available via SuperSlots running at memory bus speeds; 7 Expansion slots feature 4 Zenith 32-bit SuperSlots: autodetects 8/16/32-bit adapters; latest rev. of Z-300 setup/monitor ROMs, two serial ports, one parallel port, secondary fan for improved system cooling, Z-386 User's Guide, Z-386 Maintenance Guide and diagnostics disk included. $575 (includes S/H/insurance). Replies to: stann@aol.com Replies to me will be forwarded. Thanks..... brian",6 " This is not borne out of reality; the old Soviet Union had a very serious domestic handgun and submachinegun trade, guns that were of commercial grade because they were produced in honest-to-goodness machineshops. Why would all production have to be local; don't we have a road system that is the envy of the world? I seem to recall incidents in the past where Chinese entreprenaurs attempted to smuggle AK-47s (semi-autos) into this country to get around import number limitations (May have been Gunweek where I read that years ago...) Any person with high-school drafting skills and vocational school machineshop training could produce a submachinegun. You talk about the average person not being able get even a zip-gun; well now, think of all that private CNC controlled machinery that is not being used for 3 shifts a day; do you think that if guns were being sold on the black market for say, $150, an enterprising mechanical engineer could be using that machinery to produce workable submachineguns for sale? After all, GUNWEEK had an article and pictures on how BATF was looking for the manufacturer of quite efficient silencers that were of commercial quality and finish.",16 " Not exactly the same, but reminiscent of the assassination of Count Bernadotte, who was _the_ UN negotiator during the 1948 Israeli war of independence. He was killed by the Israelis. Seems he was being too successful in negotiating a cease-fire, which would have worked territorially against the nascent Israel, compared to continued war.",17 " Neither did he! Overall? How do you figure? So far my radio hasn't exploded from not being tuned to 660... ",9 " Fine. Libertarians and anarchists are not alone in being uncomfortable with the use of state sponsored coercion. The notion that coercion can be virtually eliminated in a society (or more properly that once it is eliminated on the part of the state it is no longer worth serious consideration) is a view that is peculiar to libertarians and anarchists. For example, does ""non-initiated force"" (coercion) include tax collection? Does it include the minimal level of regulation of commerce envisioned by Adam Smith? Since coercion can be exercised by actors other than the state, how is the state to deal with it? Exclusively through after the fact arbitration/legal compulsion? Well, I must admit that the picture of libertarians as Amway participants is somewhat more reassuring than the idea of them trying to govern a complex, conflictual, industrial society. I'd venture to point out, however, that if libertarians couldn't convince at least 85% of a group of ""seminar participants"" to ""embrace"" their philosophy, their propaganda skills need to be honed. Frankly, however, it is no great trick to create a government for a society in which (almost) everyone is assumed to agree about what is a proper government policy. Once that is assumed, all sorts of annoying formalities can be dispensed with, elections, police, etc. And as Mr. Marx said, the state will just wither away. On the way there, however, would you like to explain how eliminating virtually all policies that restrain private coercion in the current society will help us to live happier lives? Or is it like socialism; just some short-term pain that we'll have to bear until everyone has had the benefit of ""re-education"" through regular ""seminar"" training? jsh ",18 "For sale - Mazda 323 1986 Mazda 323 White exterior, Grey interior. 75,000 miles Interior in very good condition. Exterior in good condition Pioneer DX 680 car stereo. - CD player - 18 FM presets, 6 AM - removable faceplate - seperate component speakers professionally mounted in the doors. The car has been well maintained. I wax it often and keep the interior clean. Its a good running car with a solid body (no rust thru, tiny spots of surface rust. When I see a spot I touch it up.) The stereo makes the car. I have had no mechanical problems with it. I'm looking for $900.00 firm. The car has an average wholesale value of about $900.00 without the stereo. The stereo cost me $500.00 last July. If you are interested, call or Email me at:",7 " Once again, it appears that the one-eyed man has appeared in the land of the sighted and for some strange resaon has appointed himself the ruler and supreme power.",18 "Does one exist, who makes it, and how much? Thanks:)",4 "I was whatching The History Of The Indy 500 the other day, and early in the film, around the '10-'20's, a name, Lois Chevrolet, came out of the blue. I wanted to know if he is THE Chevrolet founder or mearly a driver who's name was called the same as the other guy's?:^)",7 " Then they'll probably also want to start tracking the customer lists of people purchasing SoundBlaster and similar boards, which can be configured with the use of some code and a modem, to act as a pretty decent digital-encrypting telephone. It's expensive, though, and kind of awkward. I don't know any drug lords, but I'm sure they'd favor something tappable over something secure as long as the user interface is nice. When you've got HRH Prince of Wales saying stupid things over cordless phones, it's not hard to imagine that drug dealers, child pornographers, commies, LISP programmers, and other threats to the civilized world might transact incriminating business over ""encrypting"" cellular phones. ",11 " ================== Let me see, ""unless you have an accident, you won't need more"", hmmmmmmm.",7 " Those areas became states. Puerto Rico has the population needed to become a state. But the ethnic mix there is such that Puerto Rico will probably never become a state. I say we cut them loose. If they don't want to become a state, we shouldn't continue to subsidize their existence.",18 " Zero to very fast very quickly... lastest rumor is 115 hp at the rear wheel, handles like a dream in a straight line to 80-100, and then gets a tad upset according to a review in Cycle World... cornering, er well, you can't have everything... Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days. All this gleemed from reviews and discussions with owners. I too lust after this bike.",8 " Ah, double-fulfillment. First of all I would say that I'm not sure all the prophecies had double-fulfillment, e.g., the Isaiah 7:14 prophecy. I would say that just because this happens on some occasions does not mean it will occur always, especially with regard to NT prophecies. The apostles who quoted the OT and applied those passages to Jesus were acting as divine messengers and giving the inerrant Word of God to the Church. No one has that authority today. No one has the apostolic authority to say that such-and-such a prophecy has double-fulfillment. If the imagry of Revelation fits with events of the 1st century, it is folly for us to try and make it apply to events 20 centuries later. ",15 " Ideologies also split, giving more to disagree upon, and may also lead to intolerance. So do you also oppose all ideologies? I don't think your argument is an argument against religion at all, but just points out the weaknesses of human nature. I would like a reference if you have got one, for this is news to me. One must approach the Qur'an with intelligence. Any thinking approach to the Qur'an cannot but interpret the above verse and others like it that women and men are spiritual equals. I think that the above verse does clearly imply that women have souls. Does it make any sense for something without a soul to be forgiven? Or to have a great reward (understood to be in the after-life)? I think the usual answer would be no -- in which case, the part saying ""For them has God prepared forgiveness and a great reward"" says they have souls. (If it makes sense to say that things without souls can be forgiven, then I have no idea _what_ a soul is.) As for your saying that the quote above may not be given a high priority in all interpretations, any thinking approach to the Qur'an has to give all verses of the Qur'an equal priority. That is because, according to Muslim belief, the _whole_ Qur'an is the revelation of God -- in fact, denying the truth of any part of the Qur'an is sufficient to be considered a disbeliever in Islam. Look, any approach to the Qur'an must be done with intelligence and thought. It is in this fashion that one can try to understand the Quran's message. In a book of finite length, it cannot explicitly answer every question you want to put to it, but through its teachings it can guide you. I think, however, that women are the spiritual equals of men is clearly and unambiguously implied in the above verse, and that since women can clearly be ""forgiven"" and ""rewarded"" they _must_ have souls (from the above verse). Let's try to understand what the Qur'an is trying to teach, rather than try to see how many ways it can be misinterpreted by ignoring this passage or that passage. The misinterpretations of the Qur'an based on ignoring this verse or that verse are infinite, but the interpretations fully consistent are more limited. Let's try to discuss these interpretations consistent with the text rather than how people can ignore this bit or that bit, for that is just showing how people can try to twist Islam for their own ends -- something I do not deny -- but provides no reflection on the true teachings of Islam whatsoever.",0 " There are roughly 1200 fatal, firearms-related accidents each year. The large majority involve rifles and shotgun; there are under 500 fatal handgun accidents each year. I really doubt all of those occur while the pistol is holstered, so the number of ""self-inflicted gunshot wounds by people wearing thigh holsters"" is probably well under 250 per year. Handguns designs have included a ""hammer block"" since around 1960 or earlier. This is a metal part which physically seperates the cartridge and the firing pin: Even under impact, the gun cannot fire. The hammer block is connected to the trigger and is pulled out of the way as the trigger is pulled. As a result, modern pistols can fire _only_ if the trigger is pulled (or in some cases, if they are cocked by hand and then dropped.) I don't know about animal attacks, but there are 23,500 murders each year and under 500 die in the manner you suggest. If only 2.1% of the murders were killings by ""wacko""s, you would be wrong. Worse, there are also 102,500 rapes and 1,055,000 aggravated assaults each year. These numbers make violent attacks, and preventing them, thousands of times more significant than the accidents you are worried about. (These figures, by the way, are from the FBI's ""Uniform Crime Report"" for 1990. I'll stop by a library tomorrow and look at the ""National Crime Victimization Survey"", which is more specific about where and when the crimes occured.)",16 "I'm looking for a c.itoh printer driver for Windows 3.1. Does anybody happen to know where I could find such a beast? Thanks in advance, Jerry -- ",2 "{drinking & riding} 0.20 is DWI in New York? Here the limit is 0.08 !",8 "Well, I have compiled some statistics on the entries of my pool. There are unofficially 52 entrants. Here are the stats on what teams were picked to win it all: Pittsburgh: 34 (1 sweep, 14 in 5, 15 in 6, 4 in 7) Boston: 6 (1 in 5, 5 in 6) Detroit: 4 (3 in 6, 1 in 7) Montreal: 2 (1 in 5, 1 in 7) Toronto: 2 (1 in 6, 1 in 7) (no, this wasn't Roger) Calgary: 1 (in 6) Quebec: 1 (in 6) Vancouver: 1 (in 7) Washington: 1 (in 6) Why the hell hasn't anybody picked Chicago??? NOBODY! Quebec got a pick, Detroit got 4, but absolutely no Chicago! How odd. Here are the ""losers"": Detroit: 20 Chicago: 16 (so there they are!) Pittsburgh: 6 Vancouver: 4 Boston: 2 Calgary: 2 Los Angeles: 1 what?!? Toronto: 1 LOS ANGELES??????? Are you out of your mind?!?!? Good luck to you, you'll need it! So Pittsburgh is the consensus winner of the Stanley Cup. They'll statistically beat Detroit in 6 games. HAHA that's happening! NOT! As I said, every one of my picks will come true, and I picked Chicago to lose to Pittsburgh in the finals, so tough luck to all you who picket Detroit. Well, tough luck to all of ya! I am a genius!!! ;-) -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!",10 "Hello everyone. I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please. I don't have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information: 1) I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too ignorant to know I need to buy) 2) What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance? I turn 18 in about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes a difference) 3) Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it? 4) In DC, as I imagine it is in every other state (OK, OK, we're not a state - we're not bitter ;)), you take the written test first and then get a learners permit. However, I'm wondering how one goes about learning to ride the bike proficiently enough so as to a) get a liscence and b) not kill oneself. I don't know anyone with a bike who could teach me, and the most advice I've heard is either ""do you live near a field"" or ""do you have a friend with a pickup truck"", the answers to both of which are NO. Do I just ride around my neighborhood and hope for the best? I kind of live in a residential area but it's not suburbs. It's still the big city and I'm about a mile from downtown so that doesn't seem too viable. Any stories on how you all learned? Thanks for any replies in advance. -Greg Humphreys :wq ^^^ Meant to do that. (Damn autoindent) ",8 "Getting an image from a computer monitor to a videotape is harder than it looks. The standard VGA and EGA outputs are very different than the NTSC format used by televisions. While there is equipment that will do the conversion, it is hard to get your hands on and costs quite a bit. If you have access to an Amiga computer, that has an NTSC output, you can transfer certain types of graphic files by modem and tape them from the NTSC output. Unfortunately, this would be frame-by-frame and would lead to unbelievably scratchy animation unless you had a good Amiga animation program.",1 "Excerpts from the Clipper announcement, with some questions: In these two sections the phrases `or other legal order' and `normally a court order' imply there is some other way or ways of doing a legal wiretap. What is/are these? How do they affect the way people who trust the system of court orders to protect them feel about this escrow system? The second section shows the sequence of events. The law enforcer, armed with his warrant, attaches his headphones to the line with his croc-clips (remember, these are the folk who couldn't cope with digital telephony) and hears a load of modem-like tones (we are talking analogue telephony here). What next? What modulation scheme do these Clipper boxes use? Is it possible to record the tones for use after the keys are obtained? I thought it was quite difficult to record a modem session at some intermediate point on the line. Maybe they have taken a crash course in data comms and have a unit that demodulates the tones and stores the digital stream for decryption later. This would still suffer from the same problems as trying to record the tones as the demodulator would not be at one end of the line. If calls can't be recorded for decryption later it would be quite easy to foil the system by buying lots of Clipper units (these are supposed to be cheap mass market items) and using them in turn. How tolerant is the modulation scheme to errors? These things are proposed for use by US corporations to secure their foreign offices, where phone line quality may well be poor. It seems hard enough to me to get digitised speech of any quality into something a modem can handle without having to add lots of error correction to keep the decryption in sync. This raises an intersting question in the UK. Here it is illegal to connect anything to a public telecomms network without it being approved by a body called BABT. It has been stated, either here or in the uk.telecom group, that they will not approve equipment that does encryption. I don't know if this is true or not, but this would make a good test case. Perhaps `friendly' countries, and the UK may still qualify, will get to fish in the escrowed key pool as well. ",11 "I need to sell the following items: an Apple IIe computer includes: 300 baud modem 80 columns Zenith green monitor tons of software and manuals controller & I/O card a Western Digital WDAT-440 includes: Winchester controller Floppy controller 2 serial ports parallel port No docs, but jumper settings are printed on the card. An AAMAZING 1024x768 .28 dot pitch SVGA monitor interlaced 14"" unlimited colors includes: Documentation power cord and connecting cable Must sell these items by May 4. Make me an offer on any of them.",6 "Actually, they are legal! I not familiar with the ad you are speaking of but knowing Popular Science it is probably on the fringe. However, you may be speaking of ""Public Missle, Inc."", which is a legitimate company that has been around for a while. Due to advances in composite fuels, engines are now available for model rockets using similar composites to SRB fuel, roughly 3 times more powerful than black powder motors. They are even available in a reloadable form, i.e. aluminum casing, end casings, o-rings (!). The engines range from D all the way to M in common manufacture, N and O I've heard of used at special occasions. To be a model rocket, however, the rocket can't contain any metal structural parts, amongst other requirements. I've never heard of a model rocket doing 50,000. I have heard of > 20,000 foot flights. These require FAA waivers (of course!). There are a few large national launches (LDRS, FireBALLS), at which you can see many > K sized engine flights. Actually, using a > G engine constitutes the area of ""High Power Rocketry"", which is seperate from normal model rocketry. Purchase of engines like I have been describing require membership in the National Association of Rocketry, the Tripoli Rocketry Assoc., or you have to be part of an educational institute or company involved in rocketry. Amatuer rocketry is another area. I'm not really familiar with this, but it is an area where metal parts are allowed, along with liquid fuels and what not. I don't know what kind of regulations are involved, but I'm sure they are numerous.",14 " does anyone have the e-mail address for the white house. if so please send it to me thanks a lot. ",18 "Looking for a VIDEO in and OUT Video card for the IBM. One that will allow you to watch TV (coax) or video IN, and will do Video out, digitize pictures. and if I am in Windows, and would like to be able to look the RCA out for the card to my TV and have it display on there, as well as DOS apps. I heard of these SNES and Genesis copiers, that will copy any games, are those for real? ",6 " Your medical school library should have books on peripheral nerve injuries. Probably it was your brachial plexus, so look that up. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 ": : > : > HELP!!! : > my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car. : : : FYI, just last week the PBS show Motor Week gave the results of what they : thought were the best cars for '93. In the convertible category, the : Honda Civic del Sol achieved this honor. : : The one down-side I see with the car is its interior, it looks : inexpensive and dull. : I own a del Sol and I must vouch for the interior. I really looks snazzy when the top is off. I looks a lot better in person than on the television. (I saw that Motorweek as well. Needless to say I was smiling a bit by the time it was over ...) :*) Watch out for that darned ""convertible tan"" tho...",7 "The internal HD in my LC disappeared for a day last week, and I'd like to hear any (reasonable) theories folks can suggest for what happened. It is an LC, with 10MB of RAM and an 80MB internal drive, running system 7.1, with a few SCSI devices in a (so far as I know) properly terminated chain. I had shut down the system for a day-- I was out of town and we sometimes have thunderstorms this time of year-- and upon restarting got a blinking question mark. I booted from a floppy and saw that my external HD seemed okay, but there was no sign of the internal. I installed a system folder on the external and was, indeed, able to boot from it. I tried things like Disk First Aid and Silverlining, to inquire about the internal drive. They either could not find it or got errors in trying to talk to it. (Silverlining claimed it was a Connor drive, but it is a Quantum... ) Well, I'd backed things up, so I was able to work. But, at some point I noticed that the internal had reappeared. Now, Disk First Aid says that all's well, etc. Things seem to be fine. But, what happened? Was this a warning that something (the internal HD or something else) is about to die? I'm definitely nervous. And, if this is a signal that the internal HD is sick, is it true that I can only put up to a 127MB drive inside an LC? Some folks have claimed there's a limitation in the LC (other'n size or power) while others (and that includes LaCie, over the phone) say anything that fits is okay.",4 "DROPLET VOL 1, No 11, Part 3 D R O P L E T From The Vast Ocean Of The Miraculous Qur'an Translations from the Arabic and Turkish Writings of Bediuzzaman Said Nursi, The Risale-i Noor VOL 1, No 11, Part 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------ NINETEENTH LETTER MU'JIZAT-I AHMEDIYE RISALESI A TREATISE ON THE MIRACLES OF MUHAMMED SAW, Part 3 (continued from Droplet Vol 1, No 11, Part 2) THIRD SIGN: The miracles of Muhammad (SAW) are extremely varied. Because his messengership is universal, he has been distinguished by miracles that relate to almost all species of creation. Just as the supreme aide of a renowned ruler, arriving with many gifts in a city where various people live, will be welcomed by a representative of each people who acclaims him and bids him welcome in his own language so, too, when the supreme messenger of the Monarch of Pre- and Post-Eternity (Ezel and Ebed Sultani) honored the universe by coming as an envoy to the inhabitants of the earth, and brought with him the light of truth and spiritual gifts sent by the Creator of the universe and derived from the realities of the whole universe, each species of creation -from water, rocks, trees, animals and human beings to the moon, sun and stars- welcomed him and acclaimed his prophethood, each in its own language, and each bearing one of his miracles. Now it would require a voluminous work to mention all his miracles. As the punctilious scholars have written many volumes concerning the proofs of His prophethood, here we will briefly point out only the general category into which fall fhe miracles that are definite and accepted as accurate reports. The evidences of the prophethood of Muhammad (SAW) fall into two main categories: The first is called irhasat and includes the paranormal events that happened at the time of his birth, or before his declaration of prophethood. The second group pertains to all the remaining evidences of the prophethood, and contains two subdivisions: 1) Those wonders that were manifested after his departure from this world in order to confirm his prophethood, and 2) Those that he exhibited during the era of his prophethood. The latter has also two parts: 2.1) The evidences of his prophethood that became manifest in his own personality, his inner and outer being, his moral conduct and perfection, and 2.2) The miracles that: related to substantial matters. The last part again has two branches: 2.2.1) Those concerning the Qur'an and spirituality, and 2.2.2) Those relating to matter and creation. This last branch is again divided into two categories: 2.2.2.1) The first involves the paranormal happenings that occured during his mission either to break the stubbornness of the unbelievers, or to augment the faith of the belivers. This category has twenty different sorts, such as the splitting of the moon, the flowing of water from the fingers, the satisfying of large numbers with a little food, and the speaking of trees, rocks and animals Each of these sons has also many instances, and thus has, in meaning, the strength of confirmation by consensus. 2.2.2.2) As for the second category, this includes events lying in the future that occured as he had predicted upon Allah (SWT)'s instructions. Now starting from the last category, we will summarize a list of them.(1) (1) Unfonunately, I could not write as I had intended without choice, I wrote as my head dictated, and I could not completely conform to the order of this classification. ",19 " My understanding is that the 'expected errors' are basically known bugs in the warning system software - things are checked that don't have the right values in yet because they aren't set till after launch, and suchlike. Rather than fix the code and possibly introduce new bugs, they just tell the crew 'ok, if you see a warning no. 213 before liftoff, ignore it'. Good grief. And I thought the Shuttle software was known for being well-engineered. If this is actually the case, every member of the programming team should be taken out and shot. (given that I've heard the Shuttle software rated as Level 5 in maturity, I strongly doubt that this is the case).",14 "I believe that Rusty Staub was also a jewish ball-player Also, Mordaci Brown back in the early 20th century. He was a pitcher whose nickname was ""3 fingers"" Brown....for obvious reasons....he had 3 fingers. ",9 " Reflex sympathetic dystrophy. I'm sure there's an FAQ, as I have made at least 10 answers to questions on it in the last year or so. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 "You can add Steve Rosenberg, one-time White Sox reliever now in the Mets system, to the list.",9 " Nevertheless, DWI is F*ckin serious. Hope you've got some brains now.",8 "In the May issue of C't Magazine was an article about upgrading 040 models of apple. They simply change crystals and add a fan. Hammerhead: Centris 610 was able to work with 25 MHz (cooler prefered) and for 1000 DM you get an 68040 (33MHz) which works with the appropriate crystal at full speed. (extra cooling required) Centris 650 like Quadra 700 with extra cooling 33MHz works on most machines and for real power enthusiasts they used a Quadra 950 at 40 MHz wow! But for better description you should get this issue of C't (a german PC magazine!) Christian Bauer",4 " I had the exact same failure with the 24X and Word for Windows. A quick call to Microsoft indicated it was problem with the 24X drivers. You need to call Diamond and get the new drivers, I think version 2.03 fixes the above problem, there may be later versions that I'm unaware of... ",2 "YOU BLASHEPHEMERS!!! YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD!!!! BE PREPARED FOR YOUR ETERNAL DAMNATION!!! ",0 "Second Wave makes NuBus card cages that work on the PDS slots of at least three Macs: the SE/30, IIsi and Centris 610. They have not, to my knowledge, announced such a device for the LCII, but they could make one, technologically. The PDS card that goes to the cage simply needs the NuBus controller circuitry present on NuBus Macs. Why, though, does anyone care about this? dgr has a three-PDS adapter for the LC/LCII. They will soon have one for the LCIII. PDS is better than NuBus for most people in most applications. Granted, there are more NuBus cards. But, most applications that require a NuBus card (like full-motion video capture) shouldn't be done on an LC/LCII/LCIII anyway.",4 " I once thought it would be easiest fitting a sine to the times. But not. This gave discrepancy of upto six minutes. If you fit a sine series you'll get a very good fit after just three or four terms though. This presumably has to do with the eccentricity of the Earths orbit. ",14 " and bill james is not? yeah. sure. do you own ""the bill james players rating book""?",9 " (How is 0-40 twice 1.25? Do you just pick whatever SCSI setup that makes the statment ""correct""?) Even if you could make such a statement it would be meaningless unless you understood that ESDI and IDE (I include SCSI and ATA) are completely different (ESDI is device-level, like MFM/RLL). Great, you can compare two numbers (ATA has several speed modes, by the way) but what the article said was misleading/wrong. I would recommend people call the NCR board and download the ANSI specs if they are really interested in this stuff. Something is missing there. :) Anyway, I agree. There's a lot of opportunity for marketing jingo like ""SCSI-2 compliant"" which tells you nothing about the performance, whether it has ""WIDE"" support, etc. ",3 "It did it again. This morning, my 88 Ford Ranger was idling at 10,000 RPM. Ok, so I exaggerated a little, but it was idling very fast. It has a 2 liter carburated engine in it, and no blipping of the throttle would cause the idle to drop back to normal (I don't think the linkage is stuck). What can I do to fix this problem? This has been a problem from time to time, but has straightened itself out - until now. I don't have a tach, but by gauging by the sound of the engine, it is idling about twice as fast as it should be. This is down from what it was idling at when I pulled up at a stop light. Many thanks for any suggestions. - les ",7 "# #The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners. # #The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3. # #Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson, # #and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that # #homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general # #male population. It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for # #straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically # #how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are. # # Possibly because gay/bi men are less likely to get married? Marriage isn't a requirement for a couple staying together. # What was the purpose of this post? If it was to show a mindless obsession # with statistics, an incredibly flawed system of reasoning, and a repellent # hatemonger agenda, then the purpose was accomplished with panache. # # (a) Get a clue. (b) Get a life. (c) Get out of my face. I'm not in yours. # # ----bi Andrew D. Simchik SCHNOPIA! Yes you are. When you and the rest of the homosexual community pass laws to impose your moral codes on me, by requiring me to hire, rent to, or otherwise associate with a homosexual against my will, yes, you are in my face. Until homosexuals stop trying to impose their morals on me, I will be in your face about this.",18 "We have a user that has Word 5.0 and is using symbols such as pi and other mathematic sysmbols, plus doing fractions, etc. The document shows up on the screen with no problems, looks fine. When she tries to print it on a IIg the pi changes to an upside down caret, and several other symbols change to double quotes at bottom of character, plus some little circles appear between words of the fractions instead of spaces. This happens on a IIg laser printer. Tried it on serveral macs and two different IIg's. Prints fine on an NT and NTX laser printers. What's wrong??? Thanks for any help in advance, Gary -- *************************************************************************** Gary Weis University Computer Center 400 Hal Greer Boulevard Huntington, West Virginia 25755-5320 Phone: (304) 696-3205 Fax : (304) 696-3601 Internet: Gary@marshall.wvnet.edu Bitnet : Gary@marshall UCC Net : Gary",4 " This talk about the Phillies winning the NL East is scary. VERY scary! Don't get me wrong, Im a Phillies fan but as late as last year they looked helpless. The funny thing was they did have a lot of injuries in '92 spring training that basically killed their chances. Of course, don't forget the Dykstra wrist injury in the first or second game? ",9 " Hell, just save your candle stubs and bring them. Light them up, and dribble the wax all over the kindling wood and light _that_. Although I like the belly-button lint / eggshell case idea the best, if you're feeling particularly industrious some eventful evening. Or you can do what I did one soggy summer: open the fuel line, drain some onto a piece of rough or rotten wood, stick that into the middle of the soon-to- be inferno and CAREFULLY strike a match... As Kurt Vonnegut titled one of the latter chapters in Cat's Cradle, ""Ah-Whoom!"" Works like a charm every time :-) ",8 " I'll put in a vote for the latter. A bike takes a lot of involvement, and I for one do not want any accident to be my fault. I remember one artical where the reviewer tried the radio on the bike, not having had one on any of his. He stated that the bike tended to go faster when the music was good. I agree, having felt like this my self, and this was not a physical imparement, like drinking, just the emotional lift from music. First rule of ecology: There is never only one side-effect. Ride Well- ",8 "Hi, I recently bought an Orchid Fahrenheit 1280+. It's a real nice card, but I'm having very big problems with it. The basic problem is that vertical lines are missing from the display in windows. Something like every other line or so. Also, when I use a DOS gif viewer, namely vpic 6.0c, in Fahrenheit 1280 mode, vertical lines are swapped. It's very strange looking. If it uses VESA standards, however, it works great! only it thinks there's only 512K on the card. (There's 1MB on there). I have contacted Orchid support, and they tried to be helpful, but didn't have the answer. I don't think the card is the problem, since it works great on my friend's computer. Here is my setup: Fahrenheit 1280+, 1MB, bios 1.1 386-25, Opti-chipset2, AMI bios 1990, 5MB ram. Maxtor 120MB harddrive, (slave) Maxtor 40Mb harddrive (master) Panasonic c1381 monitor, version 4.6 windows drivers. windows 3.1 I tried taking all memory managers, etc off, and took all other cards (besides disk controller) off. My friend's setup is 386sx-16, shamrock monitor. If anyone has seen anything like this, or can otherwise help, I will be very greatful. Please send e-mail to tdarugar@tartarus.ucsd.edu or tdarugar@ebon.ucsd.edu",2 "Just got a ss24X based on its good ratings, but am a little under-impressed. First, is it's performance in 16.7 mill. supposed to be comparable to a Trident 8900 (or other unaccelerated VGA)? I came up with only OK performance on WinSpeed. In 256, it was between good and great. Second, does anyone know where to get that JPG viewer ""for the SS24X"". I saw it on cica or something. Does it work better. Thanks for any help. Greg ",2 " Just a question. As a provider of a public BBS service - aren't you bound by law to gurantee intelligble access to the data of the users on the BBS, if police comes with sufficent authorisation ? I guessed this would be a basic condition for such systems. (I did run a bbs some time ago, but that was in Switzerland) Friendly greetings, Germano Caronni",11 "%I say buy out Henderson's contract and let him go bag groceries. Next %season, you'll be able to sign him for nothing. That goes for any bitching %ball player.",9 " Not quite correct. Biblical teaching expects us to celebrate the resurrection of Christ not once a year but every time someone is baptized. Col. 2:12-Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."" Rom. 6:4-Therefore we are buried with him in baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."" Those really want to celebrate the resurrection should by faith walk in newness of life after baptism. It is not necessary to celebrate a pagan goddess in the process. Paul answered your question in Romans 9. In v. 4 he stated that the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises were given to the Israelites. It is a package deal. He goes on to identify those who are true Israelites. Vs 6-8 makes it plain that the true Israelites are not those who are born that way but those who accept the promise of God. Paul continued to emphasize that he was an Israelite in 2 Cor. 11:22, then in Gal 3:29 he says that all those who belong to Christ are Abraham's seed, and heirs to all the promises given to the Israelites. The promises come with the law. It is all or nothing. Why is it that you only want to discard one part of the law? Certainly you would want your husband to be faithful to you. Or do you believe that adultery is no longer forbidden? Same law. BTW please give a reference for your statement that the Gentiles are only required to observe the basis commandmants. Could you list those please. Acts 15 deals with circumcision and the law of Moses which was added because of transgression of God's eternal law (Gal 3:19; Rom 4:15)",15 " Up to 60 microamperes = on hook Over something like 10 mA = off hook In between = defective line, and the phone company comes looking for leaky insulation. ",12 " Not to pick on Mr. May in particular, of course, but isn't this kind of the domino theory? When one little country falls, its neighbor will surely follow, and before you know it, we're all mining salt in Siberia for not turning in our Captain Crunch Secret Decoder Rings. Surely the hypothesis relying on the least wild assumptions is to take this at face value. Our lads at the fort were asked to cook up something that's pretty secure, with a key that can be escrowed neatly, and they did. The government plans to sell this thing, for the reasons they state. Yes, those evil guys in the FBI can probably, with some effort, abuse the system. I got news for you, if the evil guys in the FBI decide they want to persecute you, they're gonna, and you're gonna hate it. Fact is, the FBI doesn't want to listen to your phone calls, and if they do, and if you're using triple-DES, they'll just get a parabolic microphone and point it at your head. This is pretty clearly an effort by the government to do exactly what they're saying they're doing. As is typical with governments, it's mismanaged, and full of holes and compromises. As is typical with our government, it's not too bad, could be worse. My interpretation. Andrew ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^",11 "I built it on a rs6000 (my only Motif machine) works fine. I added some objects into dogfight so I could get used to flying. This was very easy. All in all Cool!. Brian ",1 " I hope you realize how trivial it is to manufacture these compounds. Given about $10k in lab equipment and chemicals (which are commercially available) and given the knowledge that I have (graduating BS, Ch, 1993) I could synthesize enough of these compounds to make a serious dent in the population of several major US cities. As also noted, the knowledge is there for the production of nuclear weapons. It's not even that restricted. The only thing is the expense. Now I'm not going around making these things, but it's not 'cause of any law; I simply don't get any marginal benefit out of killing anyone. Any law you enact in this respect is only going to give you the ability to add a charge against someone who does make and use said weapons. In the case of chemical agents, I seriously doubt that you would even know that someone had set up a lab until after the weapons had been used. Part of the trouble with the chemical-weapons ban treaty between the US and the USSR is that many of the precursors to chemical weapons such as GB and Sarin, etc., is that they have very valid commercial uses, and it is very easy to divert those precursors to chemical weapons manufacture without anyone knowing about it. ",16 " ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow! I knew Uranus is a long way off, but I didn't think it was THAT far away! ",14 "I just thought I'd share a nice experience before my exam today. I was walking down the streets on our campus, and a beggar came up and asked me for any spare change I might have. I had a dollar or so that I gave her, and - not wanting to give away all my money to strangers (I generally give a dollar as that will buy a little food at McDonalds or something) - I offered her some ""spiritual gifts,"" as I called them, rather than gifts of money. I talked of how great I felt that God had made such a pretty day, and how nice it was to give to people - she then said she was getting married soon. She talked about how she and her husband had very little (they may not have even had a house, for all I know), but that they felt a very special love in the Lord, an unselfish kind of caring. It warmed my heart to know that 2 people can have so little monetarily, and realize that spiritually they are indeed very rich. A good lesson for all of us who say we want more, more, more; what we really need cannot be counted, or sold, or bought.",15 "Does anyone out there have the shorthanded goal totals of the NHL players for this season? We're trying to finish our rotisserie stats and need SHG to make it complete. ",10 ,7 " But the interesting comparision is how fast clock-cycle chips you can get - an Alpha is WAY slow at 66 MHz, but blazes at 200 MHz. But the 68040 is (or will soon be) available in 40 MHz version, making it ""comparable"" to a 486DX2-80 I think you have that one turned around; they have faster clock cycles but less power behind each cycle. Not to mention that the Intel instruction stream is BYTE-oriented (longest Intel instruction is 15 bytes; what an odd number :-) which makes it hard to do any intelligent memory subsystem. Cheers, / h+ -- -- Jon W{tte, h+@nada.kth.se, Mac Hacker Deluxe --",4 "Has anyone ever heard of FET-TRONS (or is it FETRONS, FETTRONS, ...). These were FET replacement modules for vacuum tubes. I'm looking for applications where they were used. ",12 "Hi, I have a Quantum ProDrive LPS 40 MB SCSI hard drive for sale. It came with my MacIIsi and was replaced by a larger hard drive. In great working condition. Fast and quiet. Never had a problem. Asking $100+COD shipping or reasonable offer. Also for sale with the drive: Brand new mounting bracket for MacII or MacSE. It also includes SCSI data and power cable. $10 with the HD. Please reply with email or call (217)337-5710 and leave message. Thanks. Ding-Kai Chen dcg6759@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu",6 "[Stuff about the connection between IDE and IDA deleated] If IDE speed come from IDA WHERE does the 8.3MB/s sighted for IDE come from? SCSI is not complex. It is just the way the industry uses and talks about it. There are THREE key differences in SCSI; the controller chip, the port, and the software. THAT IS IT. Let us look as SCSi in from THIS stand point. SCSI-1: asynchronous and synchronous modes {SOFTWARE SCSI DRIVER ONLY} asynchronous is slower then synchronous mode {only 0-3MB/s vs. 0-5MB/s} synchronous speeds can be reached by most SCSi-1 divices with a rewrite of the software driver {As is the case for the Mac Quadra.} SCSI-2 {8-bit}: THIS is the main source for the confusion. This differs from SCSI-1 ONLY in the controler chip in most machines. In the Mac and some PCs this is called 'fast SCSI-1' because it uses SCSI-1 ports and software drivers AND can produce SCSI-2 SPEEDS through SCSI-1 INSPITE of this even in the slower asynchronous mode. Average speed in asynchronous SCSi-1 mode 4-6MB/s with 8MB/s{See in both Quadras and higher end PCs} Synchronous mode just allows a higher burst rate {10/MB/s} SCSI-2 {16-bit}: TWO versions-Wide/Fast. Wide SCSI-2 requires TWO things over 8-bit SCSI-2: a SCSI-2 software driver and a wide SCSI port on the machine and the external device. Fast SCSI-2 also requires TWO things over 8-bit SCSI-2: SCSI-2 driver software and that the RECIEVING devise support 16-bit fast SCSI-2. Speed of both is the same: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst. SCSI-2 {32-bit}: Also know as Wide AND Fast SCSI. Over 8-bit SCSI-2 this requires: SCSI-2 driver software, wide SCSI-2 port, and that the RECIEVING devices ALSO have a 32-bit mode SCSI-2 chip. As expected this is VERY expencive. Speed: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s bursts ",3 "Oops! I came across this file from last year. Thought you might enjoy some of these thoughts. The predictions were made on the date indicated. They are largely out of order. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ June 11, 1992 tedward@cs.cornell.edu (ME!) You all know how things turned out. The Orioles, Red Sox, and Yankees all disappeared. The Jays and Tigers continued at essentially the expected pace. The Brewers and Indians cranked in the second half. The Rangers predictably took a dive. That shouldn't have surprised anybody. Meanwhile, as predicted, the Mariners dropped behind the Angels and Royals. They clearly didn't deserve the 22-33 record in June. The White Sox and A's upped their game a bit, while the Twins dropped off a little. But for the most part things were as expected. Okay, so there were a few blatant errors. But for a predictive calculation, I thought this did pretty well. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From CAVGEOE@YaleVM.YCC.Yale.Edu Tue Mar 31 16:36:34 1992 Hm. Pete Smith made the rotation instead of Mercker. And Bielecki wasn't released until the end of the year. I won't comment on the bullpen. (Jeff Reardon??? :-) Right on Blauser. Wrong on Bream and Mitchell. A bit early on Lonnie, as with Bielecki. Didn't pick Sanders. (Did anybody? :-) Three of them went, right? Showalter is still around (and likely to stick, it seems). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mattel.Auto-trol.COM!mattel@auto-trol.com Tue Mar 31 17:04:22 1992 Nope! They won the division, and so kept him for a shot at the playoffs. :-) Well, they didn't finish last. Got that one right. Nope. I guess this is why you picked the Mets to win, huh? Tsk Tsk. Not nice to predict something like this. You got that right! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And my response... Okay, so the Mets finished fifth. But I got the Pirates and Expos right! First half? Dead on! Second half? Ummm.... I'm a Sox fan, go easy on me! So I got my predictions for Gooden and Saberhagen reversed. :-) I was at least *close*, and was right about Jefferies. (Though I don't know. HAS WFAN criticized the Jefferies trade?) Close. No cigar. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Some predictions need no introduction! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sometimes us statheads get lucky. Grace *didn't* hit behind Dawson the entire season, but he also finished with only 79 RBIs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nope. He slowed down, and the injury finished him off. Didn't even reach 50. But a ballsy prediction, nonetheless. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ECAXRON@MARS.LERC.NASA.GOV Thu May 21 16:42:21 1992 The Orioles finished seven games out. None of them won 20 (though Mussina might have had a chance, with better relief and more starts). Except for the Brewers (who you probably forgot), you were right! The rest of the division was thoroughly mediocre. The Yankees and Indians ""led"" with 76 wins, the Red Sox ""trailed"" with 73 wins. None were horrible, but four were five or more games below .500. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: djohnson@cayley.uwaterloo.ca (David Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1992 15:47:30 GMT You win! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From king@cogsci.UCSD.EDU Thu Nov 14 14:33:45 1991 You were right! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From stvjas@meteor.wisc.edu Fri Sep 13 01:15:52 1991 He had 211 IP, but didn't win the Cy Young. Maddux surprised all. I don't think I want to wait that long. But they won 89 games last year, and they were fifth in the league in ERA. Not a bad start. Looks like it. He wasn't bad last year, just too consistent to be an ace. So far this year looks like more of the same. I honestly can't say. Did they get rid of him? Their BB totals were down last year. I just don't think he's that good.... :-) So far, so good. I'm *definitely* not waiting to check this one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From panix!spira@cmcl2.NYU.EDU Fri Sep 13 12:38:08 1991 Current plans seem to be to use Quantrill in long relief. He has a rubber arm and unusual delivery. He might be decent in that role. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From lyle@ecn.purdue.edu Sat Sep 14 01:51:28 1991 Wrong on all of the above. (Hal Morris????) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And my favorites! From tedward Sun Oct 20 23:52:57 1991 Belle hit 34 HR last year, walking 52 times (but five of those were intentional!). Okay, so I exaggerate. But I *might* have been right. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From trn@strdev.jhuapl.edu Tue Mar 31 15:25:28 1992 How much did Cal sign for? When did he sign? If I remember correctly, he got a rather hefty contract despite a weak season. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ And finally.... From jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca Thu Sep 12 10:35:58 1991 Snyder is still in SF. Acker is gone?? They aren't in the majors. Never heard of him. I don't *think* they are in the majors. Dunno what happened to him. If he's still around, he's stuck in the minors. Hm. With Raines out, Bo looks to get a lot of PT. :-) Hm. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------",9 " For me, it would be an obvious choice: Armed self-defence is clearly and strongly protected by the Colorado Constitution and the laws of the state. In the very clear-cut situation of your hypothetical, I wouldn't have anything to fear from the police (unless I had been publicly carrying the weapon concealed, something I'm not in the habit of doing... Even then, the worst I'd have to deal with was a class 2 misdemeanor.) Even if the situation were not so clear, and I might have to worry about arrest for manslaughter or homicide, it would still be safer to wait for the police. If I were to leave and try to avoid police involvement, I'd be committing several felonies and ruining my chances of claiming self-defence in court (""If it really was self-defence,"" the prosecuter would ask, ""why did you run away and hide from the police?"") In other states, however, this decision might not be so clear-cut: If someone in, say, Washington D.C. were to use a gun in self-defence he would _automatically_ be guilty of several felony violations of that city's gun control laws. Such a person's choices would be between certain conviction for a couple of felonies versus possible conviction for half a dozen. ",16 " Uh oh... Umm, there are a number of copy protection schemes. Some involve modifying the physical media, and some involve encryption schemes, &c. All of the ones that have existed over the course of computing have been successful for a time. I recall, however, near monthly releases of new ways to ""crack"" the copy protection scheme of the latest releases. The fact is, none of them are completely secure, or anywhere near it. Some are more or less difficult to crack, and some have already been cracked. I guess what I am saying is that your question is difficult, if not impossible, to answer. What exactly do you want to know? Do you need a good one for a project you are working on? How secure must it be? Are you trying to crack one that someone else has used? I can probably make suggestions, assuming the activity is strictly legal. (In general, it is a BAD idea, legally, to tamper with copy protection. It can also lead to corruption of files which you necessarily do not have back ups of (being as they are copy protected,) which can be devestating.) Do you have absolutely no ideas for practical applications, and are merely curious? Please clear up those questions, and I'll try to help as much as I can. Incidentally, the ""Uh oh..."" at the top is indicative of the dread anyone who has watched their friends hacking equipment be carted off feels when they are asked how to hack. The area you are broaching is wrought with dangers, many of which include breaking the law, or at least addressing it (from one side or the other.)",12 " Not true. I am required to have insurance by law. the method of collection effectively makes it a tax. Well here we have the right hoping for more selfish bastards. Pity they don't look at what 12 years of the Regan/Bush ""selfish Bastard"" ecconomy has done to the country. Elect a selfish bastard government and they will run the country for themselves, thats why they are selfish bastards. Bush and Regan gave tax breaks for the ultra rich and paid for them by borrowing against the incomes of the middle class. ",18 " Yeah. Innocents. People who hoard $250K worth of high-caliber automatic weapons and kill law-enforcement agents really fit the bill here. The only innocents were the 20+ children who were prevented from leaving a burning building by their self-appointed messiah-following parents. A burning STARTED by the Davidians. Is this subject line a veiled threat against U.S. Government agents or possibly Executive office leadership (i.e. Clinton)? I've considered you a bit of a loon, before, Stephen, I guess this pretty much confirms it. Nice religion you have there. The only ones who should be killed are those who don't agree with us. Sheesh. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tom Hyatt I'm a diehard Saints fan, so i've thyat@sdf.lonestar.org suffered quite enough, thank you! Arlington, TX Help! I'm being repressed! -M.Python ------------------------------- ",19 " If there are many as..., er, people in the USA who reason like the above, then it should not be surprising that the current plot has been allowed to happen... Regards, Vesselin",11 "One presumes the system could work as follows: a) Blank clips are manufactured by Mykotronx and VLSI. The number produced is carefully audited and they are shipped to the first escrow house. It programs the chips with its half the key, and prints out a paper slip with the key half and non-secret chip serial number. The reams of paper are filed in locked boxes in the vault, a fuse is burnt in the chip so that the key is now unreadable. The chip then goes to the next escrow house, where the same thing is done. This continues through N escrow houses, perhaps, could be more than 2. The last one provides the chip to the cellular phone maker. And yes, this has to be a public key system or it would be almost impossible to handle. It might not be RSA, but that does not mean that PKP doesn't get paid. Until 1997, PKP has the patent on the general concept of public key encryption, as well as the particular implementation known as RSA.",11 " >>So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned >>on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these >>better printer technologies ... and TT? > >There are some fonts that are only available as PS fonts. If you >have a PS font that you want to use, use ATM. Otherwise, it is >a waste of system resources. > -----Or, if you need to use a service bureau and they're only set up to use Type 1 fonts. From what I've heard (pure hearsay) the results of outputting TT fonts as Type 1 is _not_ as good as using high-quality Type 1 fonts in the first place. Unless you `print' to file with the correct resolution set for the final output device (image setter). A problem with TT fonts in Windows is that they do get converted to T1 format OK, and the hinting is even used while this is done, but the resulting T1 fonts are NOT hinted. The result is that they WILL work fine on a device of the resolution assumed by the printer driver when the PS file is generated, but they will not look good when printed at a different resolution. ",2 "Experiences with Diamond Viper VLB video card Several problems: 1) The ad specified 16.7 million colors at 640x480 resolution with 1MB of VRAM, which is what I have. This color depth is NOT SUPPORTED with video BIOS version 1.00 and drivers version 1.01. A max of 65K colors are supported at 640x800 and 800x600 resolutions with 1MB VRAM. 2) With the 65K color choice I notice two minor irritations: a) Under NDW, when an entry in a list is highlighted (such as in an Open menu) and then is deselected, a faint vertical line often remains where the left edge of the highlighted rectangle used to be. b) With Word for Windows, when you use shading in a table, the display shows the INVERSE of the shading; for example, if you shade the cell as 10%, the display is 90% (the printout is OK). 3) The big killer bug is using the Borland C++ Integrated Development Environment. The problem occurs when you click on the Turbo Debugger icon (or use the Debugger option in the Run command), and the debugger application goes to VGA character mode (as it is designed to do). The screen goes haywire, and is largely unreadable. The Turbo Debugger display is all garbled. Through trial and error, I have found that when the disrupted screen is displayed you should do [Alt-Spacebar] followed by the letter ""R"". This instructs Turbo Debugger to refresh the screen, and it does this satisfactorily. I wish I didn't have to do this. The bug is more than with the Diamond drivers. The same disruptive behavior happens with the standard VGA driver that comes with Windows. There must be something in the video card that mishandles the VGA mode. The problem is not my monitor. The same bug shows up when I use another monitor in place of my usual one. I still like this video card, and am hoping its problems will be remedied (they do offer a 5 year warranty). ",3 " Geez wharfie, do you have to be so difficult? Mine was built in December '88, which qualifies as pretty dang early, and it most certainly grinds away.",7 " : medtronic.COM (Dale M. Skiba) entirely missed my point in my previous : : firmly on the western coast of the Med. You can bet IUm gonna keep this : baby : >My my my, such double standards. You neglected to give any primary sources : >for your book, _Encyclopedia of the Bible_. Are we to expect that source : >to be as unbiased as the other sources... MR. Butler *DID* give at least : >one source, you have given none. : REPLY : It was a JOKE. The Readers digest _Encyclopedia of the Bible_ was the most : outrageously bogus *authority* I could dredge from my shelves. : I was trying to point out that going to some encyclopedia, rather than : original or scholarly sources is a BIG MISTAKE in procedure. I am glad : to note that Butler and DeCesno are arguing about substance now, : rather than about arguing. I guess the joke was on me... I am so used to seeing bogus stuff posted here that I assumed that yours was necessarily the same. ",19 " <. . .. : The next Sunday, the sermon was about Joshua 6 (where the Israelites : take Jericho and then proceed to massacre everybody there --- except : for Rahab, who had sheltered the spies). With those reports about : Bosnia in my mind, I felt uncomfortable about the minister saying that : the massacre (the one in Joshua) was right. But what really bothered : me was that, if I was going to try taking Christianity seriously, I : shouldn't be so troubled about the reports of ""ethnic cleansing"" in : Bosnia. Certainly, my sympathies shouldn't be with the Moslims. : Considering that the Bosnian Muslims are descendants of Christians : who, under Turkish rule, converted to Islam could the Serbs be doing : God's work? Perhaps it would be useful to ask whether those doing the ethnic cleansing could be said to be loving those they are killing in the very act of killing. Does it reflect the attitude of God, who sends rain to both the just and the unjust? If not, then Christians should be uncomfortable with it. Jesus gave his followers the law of love to follow and it is by exhibiting this that disciples will be known. Doctrinal (or political) correctness is not the standard, so I don't see why Christians should be moved against the Serbs because their ancestors converted from Christianity to Islam. It seems to me that as a Christian you _should_ be troubled by the ethnic cleansing. -- ",15 " Omigod, it's an operationalist! Sorry, Jim, but the idea that a theory explaining a myriad of distinctly different observations is merely a ""model"" is more than sensible people can accept -- your phobia about objective reality notwithstanding. -- Mark Pundurs",19 " Fred Rice answered this already in an early posting: ""The problem with your argument is that you do not _know_ who is a _real_ believer and who may be ""faking it"". This is something known only by the person him/herself (and God). Your assumption that anyone who _claims_ to be a ""believer"" _is_ a ""believer"" is not necessarily true."" In other words it seems that nobody could define who is a true and false Muslim. We are back to square one, Khomeini and Hussein are still innocent and can't be defined as evil or good Islamic worshippers. Cheers, Kent ",0 " (Pleading mode on) Please! I'm begging you! Quit confusing religious groups, and stop making generalizations! I'm a Protestant! I'm an evangelical! I don't believe that my way is the only way! I'm not a ""creation scientist""! I don't think that homosexuals should be hung by their toenails! If you want to discuss bible thumpers, you would be better off singling out (and making obtuse generalizations about) Fundamentalists. If you compared the actions of Presbyterians or Methodists with those of Southern Baptists, you would think that they were different religions! Please, prejudice is about thinking that all people of a group are the same, so please don't write off all Protestants or all evangelicals! (Pleading mode off.) God.......I wish I could get ahold of all the Thomas Stories......",19 " DEG has many german-born forwards in the team. In fact the majority of players are german-born. 1992-93 DEG had 11150 average in 11800 spectator arena. My Possible-NHL(European league)-site list: Switzerland : Berne, Zurich (Lugano and 1-2 others) Germany : Dusseldorf, Cologne, Berlin, Munich (Mannheim, Rosenheim) Sweden : Stockholm, Gothenburg (Malmo, Gavle) Finland : Helsinki (Turku, Tampere) Italy : Milan France : Paris (Chamonix, Ruoen?) Norway : (Oslo) Austria : (Vienna, Villach) Chech : (Prag) Slovakia : (Bratislava) Russia : (Moscow, St. Petersburg) Great Britain: ? Netherlands : ? ",10 "The San Francisco Examiner reports that Clinton has issued instructions to federal law enforcement that they may not kill or injure anyone to resolve the Waco situation. So they've built a fence around the compound, and are now seriously considering building up the fence to prison-camp levels, pulling out most of the manpower, and waiting however many months it takes.",16 " It doesn't make a whole lot of difference, actually, since they weren't building spares of the station hardware anyway. (Dumb.) At least this is only one launch to fail.",14 " Such as? Drunk drivers get back on the road in no time, to kill again. Seems the driver's license process does not work for this. Because you wanted one while you were underage. Only on public roads. Only if it is to be driven on public roads, other than between segments of my property. Only on public roads. Perhaps, if it gave them permission to shoot in public roads and parks. :-) Jim -- jmd@handheld.com",16 " You might be sure, but you would also be wrong. ",19 "I got a number of requests for code. So, here it is. Its written in 80x86 ASM. Borland TASM will do. TASM LGA.ASM TLINK /t LGA.ASM The code: ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; LGA ncryption ; (C) by Nick Nassuphis ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- CODE SEGMENT ASSUME CS:CODE, DS:CODE ORG 100h Start: JMP Begin ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; Gas particle assigment: ; ; BIT 0 particle moving EAST ; BIT 1 particle moving WEST ; BIT 2 particle moving NORTH ; BIT 3 particle moving SOUTH ; ; BIT 4 particle moving EAST ; BIT 5 particle moving WEST ; BIT 6 particle moving NORTH ; BIT 7 particle moving SOUTH ; ; ; Collisiong Rules: ; ; 1. Gas Rules ; ; IF (E & W) AND !(N & S) THEN (E,W)->(N,S) ; IF (N & S) AND !(E & W) THEN (N,S)->(E,W) ; ; for nibbles: ; ; 1100 -> 0011 ; 0011 -> 0011 ; ; and for bytes: ; ; 11000000 -> 00110000 ; 00110000 -> 11000000 ; 00001100 -> 00000011 ; 00000011 -> 00001100 ; 00110011 -> 11001100 ; 00111100 -> 11000011 ; 11000011 -> 00111100 ; 11001100 -> 00110011 ; ; ; 2. Reflection Rules ; ; just swap bits along directions ; ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; This look-up table implements two particle collisions ; for the HPP lattice gas ; HPPRule: DB 00000000B ;00000000 DB 00000001B ;00000001 DB 00000010B ;00000010 DB 00001100B ;00000011 DB 00000100B ;00000100 DB 00000101B ;00000101 DB 00000110B ;00000110 DB 00000111B ;00000111 DB 00001000B ;00001000 DB 00001001B ;00001001 DB 00001010B ;00001010 DB 00001011B ;00001011 DB 00000011B ;00001100 DB 00001101B ;00001101 DB 00001110B ;00001110 DB 00001111B ;00001111 DB 00010000B ;00010000 DB 00010001B ;00010001 DB 00010010B ;00010010 DB 00011100B ;00010011 DB 00010100B ;00010100 DB 00010101B ;00010101 DB 00010110B ;00010110 DB 00010111B ;00010111 DB 00011000B ;00011000 DB 00011001B ;00011001 DB 00011010B ;00011010 DB 00011011B ;00011011 DB 00010011B ;00011100 DB 00011101B ;00011101 DB 00011110B ;00011110 DB 00011111B ;00011111 DB 00100000B ;00100000 DB 00100001B ;00100001 DB 00100010B ;00100010 DB 00101100B ;00100011 DB 00100100B ;00100100 DB 00100101B ;00100101 DB 00100110B ;00100110 DB 00100111B ;00100111 DB 00101000B ;00101000 DB 00101001B ;00101001 DB 00101010B ;00101010 DB 00101011B ;00101011 DB 00100011B ;00101100 DB 00101101B ;00101101 DB 00101110B ;00101110 DB 00101111B ;00101111 DB 11000000B ;00110000 DB 11000001B ;00110001 DB 11000010B ;00110010 DB 11001100B ;00110011 DB 11000100B ;00110100 DB 11000101B ;00110101 DB 11000110B ;00110110 DB 11000111B ;00110111 DB 11001000B ;00111000 DB 11001001B ;00111001 DB 11001010B ;00111010 DB 11001011B ;00111011 DB 11000011B ;00111100 DB 11001101B ;00111101 DB 11001110B ;00111110 DB 11001111B ;00111111 DB 01000000B ;01000000 DB 01000001B ;01000001 DB 01000010B ;01000010 DB 01001100B ;01000011 DB 01000100B ;01000100 DB 01000101B ;01000101 DB 01000110B ;01000110 DB 01000111B ;01000111 DB 01001000B ;01001000 DB 01001001B ;01001001 DB 01001010B ;01001010 DB 01001011B ;01001011 DB 01000011B ;01001100 DB 01001101B ;01001101 DB 01001110B ;01001110 DB 01001111B ;01001111 DB 01010000B ;01010000 DB 01010001B ;01010001 DB 01010010B ;01010010 DB 01011100B ;01010011 DB 01010100B ;01010100 DB 01010101B ;01010101 DB 01010110B ;01010110 DB 01010111B ;01010111 DB 01011000B ;01011000 DB 01011001B ;01011001 DB 01011010B ;01011010 DB 01011011B ;01011011 DB 01010011B ;01011100 DB 01011101B ;01011101 DB 01011110B ;01011110 DB 01011111B ;01011111 DB 01100000B ;01100000 DB 01100001B ;01100001 DB 01100010B ;01100010 DB 01101100B ;01100011 DB 01100100B ;01100100 DB 01100101B ;01100101 DB 01100110B ;01100110 DB 01100111B ;01100111 DB 01101000B ;01101000 DB 01101001B ;01101001 DB 01101010B ;01101010 DB 01101011B ;01101011 DB 01100011B ;01101100 DB 01101101B ;01101101 DB 01101110B ;01101110 DB 01101111B ;01101111 DB 01110000B ;01110000 DB 01110001B ;01110001 DB 01110010B ;01110010 DB 01111100B ;01110011 DB 01110100B ;01110100 DB 01110101B ;01110101 DB 01110110B ;01110110 DB 01110111B ;01110111 DB 01111000B ;01111000 DB 01111001B ;01111001 DB 01111010B ;01111010 DB 01111011B ;01111011 DB 01110011B ;01111100 DB 01111101B ;01111101 DB 01111110B ;01111110 DB 01111111B ;01111111 DB 10000000B ;10000000 DB 10000001B ;10000001 DB 10000010B ;10000010 DB 10001100B ;10000011 DB 10000100B ;10000100 DB 10000101B ;10000101 DB 10000110B ;10000110 DB 10000111B ;10000111 DB 10001000B ;10001000 DB 10001001B ;10001001 DB 10001010B ;10001010 DB 10001011B ;10001011 DB 10000011B ;10001100 DB 10001101B ;10001101 DB 10001110B ;10001110 DB 10001111B ;10001111 DB 10010000B ;10010000 DB 10010001B ;10010001 DB 10010010B ;10010010 DB 10011100B ;10010011 DB 10010100B ;10010100 DB 10010101B ;10010101 DB 10010110B ;10010110 DB 10010111B ;10010111 DB 10011000B ;10011000 DB 10011001B ;10011001 DB 10011010B ;10011010 DB 10011011B ;10011011 DB 10010011B ;10011100 DB 10011101B ;10011101 DB 10011110B ;10011110 DB 10011111B ;10011111 DB 10100000B ;10100000 DB 10100001B ;10100001 DB 10100010B ;10100010 DB 10101100B ;10100011 DB 10100100B ;10100100 DB 10100101B ;10100101 DB 10100110B ;10100110 DB 10100111B ;10100111 DB 10101000B ;10101000 DB 10101001B ;10101001 DB 10101010B ;10101010 DB 10101011B ;10101011 DB 10100011B ;10101100 DB 10101101B ;10101101 DB 10101110B ;10101110 DB 10101111B ;10101111 DB 10110000B ;10110000 DB 10110001B ;10110001 DB 10110010B ;10110010 DB 10111100B ;10110011 DB 10110100B ;10110100 DB 10110101B ;10110101 DB 10110110B ;10110110 DB 10110111B ;10110111 DB 10111000B ;10111000 DB 10111001B ;10111001 DB 10111010B ;10111010 DB 10111011B ;10111011 DB 10110011B ;10111100 DB 10111101B ;10111101 DB 10111110B ;10111110 DB 10111111B ;10111111 DB 00110000B ;11000000 DB 00110001B ;11000001 DB 00110010B ;11000010 DB 00111100B ;11000011 DB 00110100B ;11000100 DB 00110101B ;11000101 DB 00110110B ;11000110 DB 00110111B ;11000111 DB 00111000B ;11001000 DB 00111001B ;11001001 DB 00111010B ;11001010 DB 00111011B ;11001011 DB 00110011B ;11001100 DB 00111101B ;11001101 DB 00111110B ;11001110 DB 00111111B ;11001111 DB 11010000B ;11010000 DB 11010001B ;11010001 DB 11010010B ;11010010 DB 11011100B ;11010011 DB 11010100B ;11010100 DB 11010101B ;11010101 DB 11010110B ;11010110 DB 11010111B ;11010111 DB 11011000B ;11011000 DB 11011001B ;11011001 DB 11011010B ;11011010 DB 11011011B ;11011011 DB 11010011B ;11011100 DB 11011101B ;11011101 DB 11011110B ;11011110 DB 11011111B ;11011111 DB 11100000B ;11100000 DB 11100001B ;11100001 DB 11100010B ;11100010 DB 11101100B ;11100011 DB 11100100B ;11100100 DB 11100101B ;11100101 DB 11100110B ;11100110 DB 11100111B ;11100111 DB 11101000B ;11101000 DB 11101001B ;11101001 DB 11101010B ;11101010 DB 11101011B ;11101011 DB 11100011B ;11101100 DB 11101101B ;11101101 DB 11101110B ;11101110 DB 11101111B ;11101111 DB 11110000B ;11110000 DB 11110001B ;11110001 DB 11110010B ;11110010 DB 11111100B ;11110011 DB 11110100B ;11110100 DB 11110101B ;11110101 DB 11110110B ;11110110 DB 11110111B ;11110111 DB 11111000B ;11111000 DB 11111001B ;11111001 DB 11111010B ;11111010 DB 11111011B ;11111011 DB 11110011B ;11111100 DB 11111101B ;11111101 DB 11111110B ;11111110 DB 11111111B ;11111111 ; ; This rule implements the velocity-reversal needed to ; run the gas evolution in reverse. Its called a WallRule ; because its the same as is all particles hit a wall ; head on. ; WallRule: DB 00000000B ;00000000 DB 00000010B ;00000001 DB 00000001B ;00000010 DB 00001100B ;00000011 DB 00001000B ;00000100 DB 00001010B ;00000101 DB 00001001B ;00000110 DB 00001011B ;00000111 DB 00000100B ;00001000 DB 00000110B ;00001001 DB 00000101B ;00001010 DB 00000111B ;00001011 DB 00000011B ;00001100 DB 00001110B ;00001101 DB 00001101B ;00001110 DB 00001111B ;00001111 DB 00100000B ;00010000 DB 00100010B ;00010001 DB 00100001B ;00010010 DB 00101100B ;00010011 DB 00101000B ;00010100 DB 00101010B ;00010101 DB 00101001B ;00010110 DB 00101011B ;00010111 DB 00100100B ;00011000 DB 00100110B ;00011001 DB 00100101B ;00011010 DB 00100111B ;00011011 DB 00100011B ;00011100 DB 00101110B ;00011101 DB 00101101B ;00011110 DB 00101111B ;00011111 DB 00010000B ;00100000 DB 00010010B ;00100001 DB 00010001B ;00100010 DB 00011100B ;00100011 DB 00011000B ;00100100 DB 00011010B ;00100101 DB 00011001B ;00100110 DB 00011011B ;00100111 DB 00010100B ;00101000 DB 00010110B ;00101001 DB 00010101B ;00101010 DB 00010111B ;00101011 DB 00010011B ;00101100 DB 00011110B ;00101101 DB 00011101B ;00101110 DB 00011111B ;00101111 DB 11000000B ;00110000 DB 11000010B ;00110001 DB 11000001B ;00110010 DB 11001100B ;00110011 DB 11001000B ;00110100 DB 11001010B ;00110101 DB 11001001B ;00110110 DB 11001011B ;00110111 DB 11000100B ;00111000 DB 11000110B ;00111001 DB 11000101B ;00111010 DB 11000111B ;00111011 DB 11000011B ;00111100 DB 11001110B ;00111101 DB 11001101B ;00111110 DB 11001111B ;00111111 DB 10000000B ;01000000 DB 10000010B ;01000001 DB 10000001B ;01000010 DB 10001100B ;01000011 DB 10001000B ;01000100 DB 10001010B ;01000101 DB 10001001B ;01000110 DB 10001011B ;01000111 DB 10000100B ;01001000 DB 10000110B ;01001001 DB 10000101B ;01001010 DB 10000111B ;01001011 DB 10000011B ;01001100 DB 10001110B ;01001101 DB 10001101B ;01001110 DB 10001111B ;01001111 DB 10100000B ;01010000 DB 10100010B ;01010001 DB 10100001B ;01010010 DB 10101100B ;01010011 DB 10101000B ;01010100 DB 10101010B ;01010101 DB 10101001B ;01010110 DB 10101011B ;01010111 DB 10100100B ;01011000 DB 10100110B ;01011001 DB 10100101B ;01011010 DB 10100111B ;01011011 DB 10100011B ;01011100 DB 10101110B ;01011101 DB 10101101B ;01011110 DB 10101111B ;01011111 DB 10010000B ;01100000 DB 10010010B ;01100001 DB 10010001B ;01100010 DB 10011100B ;01100011 DB 10011000B ;01100100 DB 10011010B ;01100101 DB 10011001B ;01100110 DB 10011011B ;01100111 DB 10010100B ;01101000 DB 10010110B ;01101001 DB 10010101B ;01101010 DB 10010111B ;01101011 DB 10010011B ;01101100 DB 10011110B ;01101101 DB 10011101B ;01101110 DB 10011111B ;01101111 DB 10110000B ;01110000 DB 10110010B ;01110001 DB 10110001B ;01110010 DB 10111100B ;01110011 DB 10111000B ;01110100 DB 10111010B ;01110101 DB 10111001B ;01110110 DB 10111011B ;01110111 DB 10110100B ;01111000 DB 10110110B ;01111001 DB 10110101B ;01111010 DB 10110111B ;01111011 DB 10110011B ;01111100 DB 10111110B ;01111101 DB 10111101B ;01111110 DB 10111111B ;01111111 DB 01000000B ;10000000 DB 01000010B ;10000001 DB 01000001B ;10000010 DB 01001100B ;10000011 DB 01001000B ;10000100 DB 01001010B ;10000101 DB 01001001B ;10000110 DB 01001011B ;10000111 DB 01000100B ;10001000 DB 01000110B ;10001001 DB 01000101B ;10001010 DB 01000111B ;10001011 DB 01000011B ;10001100 DB 01001110B ;10001101 DB 01001101B ;10001110 DB 01001111B ;10001111 DB 01100000B ;10010000 DB 01100010B ;10010001 DB 01100001B ;10010010 DB 01101100B ;10010011 DB 01101000B ;10010100 DB 01101010B ;10010101 DB 01101001B ;10010110 DB 01101011B ;10010111 DB 01100100B ;10011000 DB 01100110B ;10011001 DB 01100101B ;10011010 DB 01100111B ;10011011 DB 01100011B ;10011100 DB 01101110B ;10011101 DB 01101101B ;10011110 DB 01101111B ;10011111 DB 01010000B ;10100000 DB 01010010B ;10100001 DB 01010001B ;10100010 DB 01011100B ;10100011 DB 01011000B ;10100100 DB 01011010B ;10100101 DB 01011001B ;10100110 DB 01011011B ;10100111 DB 01010100B ;10101000 DB 01010110B ;10101001 DB 01010101B ;10101010 DB 01010111B ;10101011 DB 01010011B ;10101100 DB 01011110B ;10101101 DB 01011101B ;10101110 DB 01011111B ;10101111 DB 01110000B ;10110000 DB 01110010B ;10110001 DB 01110001B ;10110010 DB 01111100B ;10110011 DB 01111000B ;10110100 DB 01111010B ;10110101 DB 01111001B ;10110110 DB 01111011B ;10110111 DB 01110100B ;10111000 DB 01110110B ;10111001 DB 01110101B ;10111010 DB 01110111B ;10111011 DB 01110011B ;10111100 DB 01111110B ;10111101 DB 01111101B ;10111110 DB 01111111B ;10111111 DB 00110000B ;11000000 DB 00110010B ;11000001 DB 00110001B ;11000010 DB 00111100B ;11000011 DB 00111000B ;11000100 DB 00111010B ;11000101 DB 00111001B ;11000110 DB 00111011B ;11000111 DB 00110100B ;11001000 DB 00110110B ;11001001 DB 00110101B ;11001010 DB 00110111B ;11001011 DB 00110011B ;11001100 DB 00111110B ;11001101 DB 00111101B ;11001110 DB 00111111B ;11001111 DB 11100000B ;11010000 DB 11100010B ;11010001 DB 11100001B ;11010010 DB 11101100B ;11010011 DB 11101000B ;11010100 DB 11101010B ;11010101 DB 11101001B ;11010110 DB 11101011B ;11010111 DB 11100100B ;11011000 DB 11100110B ;11011001 DB 11100101B ;11011010 DB 11100111B ;11011011 DB 11100011B ;11011100 DB 11101110B ;11011101 DB 11101101B ;11011110 DB 11101111B ;11011111 DB 11010000B ;11100000 DB 11010010B ;11100001 DB 11010001B ;11100010 DB 11011100B ;11100011 DB 11011000B ;11100100 DB 11011010B ;11100101 DB 11011001B ;11100110 DB 11011011B ;11100111 DB 11010100B ;11101000 DB 11010110B ;11101001 DB 11010101B ;11101010 DB 11010111B ;11101011 DB 11010011B ;11101100 DB 11011110B ;11101101 DB 11011101B ;11101110 DB 11011111B ;11101111 DB 11110000B ;11110000 DB 11110010B ;11110001 DB 11110001B ;11110010 DB 11111100B ;11110011 DB 11111000B ;11110100 DB 11111010B ;11110101 DB 11111001B ;11110110 DB 11111011B ;11110111 DB 11110100B ;11111000 DB 11110110B ;11111001 DB 11110101B ;11111010 DB 11110111B ;11111011 DB 11110011B ;11111100 DB 11111110B ;11111101 DB 11111101B ;11111110 DB 11111111B ;11111111 MAXBYTE EQU 55 LINENO EQU 23 SrcPtr DW OFFSET Buffer1 DesPtr DW OFFSET Buffer2 SaveBuff: DB MAXBYTE*(LINENO+1) DUP(0) Buffer1: DB MAXBYTE*(LINENO+1) DUP(0) DB 256 DUP(0) Buffer2: DB MAXBYTE*(LINENO+1) DUP(0) DB 256 DUP(0) ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; ; ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- Data: DB "" "" DB "" "" DB "" "" DB "" This is a test for a Lattice Gas based encryption "" DB "" algorithm. The data is encoded as particles of a "" DB "" digital gas, whose time evolution is then simulated "" DB "" with a cellular-automaton type algorithm. Decryption "" DB "" can be achieved by running the simulation in reverse. "" DB "" A thermodynamic argument ensures that even if a single"" DB "" bit is flipped, no decryption of the data is possible "" DB "" "" DB "" After the gas is let to evolve for 256 timesteps, "" DB "" one can either run the reverse evolution by pressing "" DB "" space, or flip a bit and then run by pressing '0' "" DB "" "" DB "" For a cryptographic application, the key would consist"" DB "" of the number of time steps and the time and location "" DB "" of specific bit inversions. "" DB "" "" DB "" "" DB "" "" DB "" "" DB "" "" ; ; Fill the gas with a piece of code ; InitGas: MOV DI,CS:SrcPtr MOV SI,OFFSET Data MOV CX,LINENO IG0: PUSH DI PUSH CX MOV CX,MAXBYTE IG1: MOV AL,CS:[SI] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI LOOP IG1 POP CX POP DI ADD DI,MAXBYTE LOOP IG0 MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr MOV DI,OFFSET InitGas MOV CX,MAXBYTE*3 MOV AL,0 LG2: MOV BYTE PTR CS:[SI],AL NOT AL INC SI LOOP LG2 RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; Display gas molecules bouncing around ; ShowGas: PUSH ES PUSH SI PUSH DI PUSH CX PUSH BX MOV AX,0B800h MOV ES,AX MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr MOV DI,160*2+10*2 MOV CX,LINENO-3 ADD SI,MAXBYTE*3 SG1: PUSH CX PUSH DI MOV CX,MAXBYTE SG2: MOV AL,CS:[SI] MOV BYTE PTR ES:[DI],AL INC SI ADD DI,2 DEC CX JNZ SG2 POP DI POP CX ADD DI,160 LOOP SG1 POP BX POP CX POP DI POP SI POP ES RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; CS:SI -> Sourse of Data ; CS:DI -> Destination of Data ; ScanOneMiddleLine: ; ; first byte is a special case because of warparound ; MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] ; NORTH is one line ""up"" (lower) AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] ; SOUTH is one line ""down"" (higher) AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI+(MAXBYTE-1)] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI ; ; middle bytes can be handled in a loop ; MOV CX,MAXBYTE-2 SOL1: MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] ; NORTH is one line ""up"" (lower) AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] ; SOUTH is one line ""down"" (higher) AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI LOOP SOL1 ; ; last byte is also special ; MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] ; NORTH is one line ""up"" (lower) AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] ; SOUTH is one line ""down"" (higher) AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI-(MAXBYTE-1)] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; CS:SI -> Sourse of Data ; CS:DI -> Destination of Data ; ScanFirstLine: ; ; first byte is a special case because of warparound ; MOV BL,0 MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI ; ; middle bytes can be handled in a loop ; MOV CX,MAXBYTE-2 SFL1: MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI LOOP SFL1 ; ; last byte is also special ; MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI+MAXBYTE] AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI-(MAXBYTE-1)] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; CS:SI -> Sourse of Data ; CS:DI -> Destination of Data ; ScanLastLine: ; ; first byte is a special case because of warparound ; MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI+(MAXBYTE-1)] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI ; ; middle bytes can be handled in a loop ; MOV CX,MAXBYTE-2 SLL1: MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI+1] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI LOOP SLL1 ; ; last byte is also special ; MOV BL,0 ; AL is the ""assembled"" byte. MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE] AND BH,10001000B ; and at bits 7 and 3 OR BL,BH ; OR them into the assembled byte MOV BH,CS:[SI-MAXBYTE*(LINENO-1)] AND BH,01000100B ; and at bits 6 and 2 OR BL,BH ; place the stuff into AL MOV BH,CS:[SI-1] ; WEST is one byte ""left"" (lower) AND BH,00100010B ; and at bits 5 and 1 OR BL,BH MOV BH,CS:[SI-(MAXBYTE-1)] ; EAST is one byte ""right"" (higher) AND BH,00010001B ; and at bits 4 and 0 OR BL,BH MOV BH,0 MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + OFFSET HPPRule] MOV CS:[DI],AL INC SI INC DI RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; Invert all velocities in the gas ; InvertAll: PUSH BX PUSH CX PUSH SI MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr MOV BX,0 MOV CX,LINENO IA1: PUSH CX MOV CX,MAXBYTE IA2: MOV BL,CS:[SI] MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX + (OFFSET WallRule)] MOV CS:[SI],AL INC SI LOOP IA2 POP CX LOOP IA1 POP SI POP CX POP BX RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; IterateOnce: MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr MOV DI,CS:DesPtr MOV CS:SrcPtr,DI MOV CS:DesPtr,SI PUSH SI PUSH DI CALL ScanFirstLine POP DI POP SI ADD SI,MAXBYTE ADD DI,MAXBYTE MOV CX,LINENO-2 ; dont scan first and last L1: PUSH SI PUSH DI PUSH CX CALL ScanOneMiddleLine POP CX POP DI POP SI ADD SI,MAXBYTE ADD DI,MAXBYTE LOOP L1 PUSH SI PUSH DI CALL ScanLastLine POP SI POP DI L3: RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; Iterate HPP rule CX times ; Iterate: PUSH CX CALL IterateOnce POP CX CALL ShowGas LOOP Iterate RET ;---------------------------------------------------------------------- ; ; Iterate HPP rule CX times ; IterateUntil: MOV SI,0 MOV CX,OFFSET IU4 - OFFSET IU3 IU00: MOV AL,BYTE PTR CS:[SI + OFFSET IU3] XOR BYTE PTR CS:[SI + OFFSET IU4],AL INC SI LOOP IU00 IU0: CALL IterateOnce CALL ShowGas MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr MOV CX,MAXBYTE*3 MOV BX,0 MOV AH,0 MOV AL,255 IU1: MOV BL,BYTE PTR CS:[SI] MOV DL,BYTE PTR CS:[BX+WallRule] NOT AH XOR DL,AH AND AL,DL INC SI LOOP IU1 MOV SI,0 MOV CX,OFFSET IU4 - OFFSET IU3 IU2: MOV AH,BYTE PTR CS:[SI+OFFSET IU4] AND AH,AL XOR BYTE PTR CS:[SI+OFFSET IU3],AH INC SI LOOP IU2 JMP IU3 IU3: MOV AX,OFFSET IU0 PUSH AX RET DB 256 DUP(90h) IU4: PUSH AX PUSH BX PUSH CX PUSH DX PUSH DS MOV AH,9 MOV DX,CS:MsgPtr INT 21H POP DS POP DX POP CX POP BX POP AX RET DB 512 DUP(90h) MsgPtr DW OFFSET Msg Msg DB ""This message is printed out by"",10,13 DB ""code decrypted using data from the lattice"",10,13 DB ""which was applied to the decoding routine"",10,13 DB ""after every time step"",10,13 DB ""The decoding function left the code unchanged"",10,13 DB ""except after the gas evolution had completelly"",10,13 DB ""reversed the thermalization"",10,13,""$"" TIMES EQU 16 ; 256 repetitions are enough to ; ""equilibrate"" the gas Begin: MOV AX,0600h MOV BH,7 MOV DH,25 MOV DL,80 MOV CX,0 INT 10h MOV AH,2 MOV BH,0 MOV DH,24 MOV DL,0 INT 10h CALL InitGas CALL ShowGas MOV AH,0 INT 16h PUSH CX MOV CX,TIMES CALL Iterate CALL InvertAll CALL ShowGas MOV AH,0 INT 16h CMP AL,""0"" JNE Begin0 MOV SI,CS:SrcPtr XOR BYTE PTR CS:[SI],10000001B Begin0: MOV CX,TIMES CALL IterateUntil CALL InvertAll CALL ShowGas MOV AX,4C00h INT 21h ",11 "Correction: |The story I related is one of the seven apparitions |approved by our Church as worthy of belief. It happened |in La Salle, France. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That should be La Salette, France, 1846. I must admit, geography is not my forte. |[...] |Once again, the Lamb succeeds.",15 " [stuff deleted for brevity] Your very starting point is wrong. Christianity is not based on following a moral standard. ""For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith... NOT BY WORKS so that no man may boast."" (Eph. 2:7-8) You say that you know the Bible well, and can recognize (do you mean recite?) many passages from memory. That could very well be so. However, it looks like there are a few more passages that you should pay attention to. (Titus 3:5 and James 2:10 are among them.) Obedience to the moral law is imporant. However, it is supposed to be the result of turning your life over to Christ and becoming a Christian. It is by no means the starting point. ",15 " All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are so blinded by emotions that they can't see the facts. Thanks for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could write. ",17 "Can someone please remind me who said a well known quotation? He was sitting atop a rocket awaiting liftoff and afterwards, in answer to the question what he had been thinking about, said (approximately) ""half a million components, each has to work perfectly, each supplied by the lowest bidder....."" Attribution and correction of the quote would be much appreciated. ",14 "The dead giveaway is the repeated protestations that the new plan is aimed at ""criminals"", ""drug dealers"", ""terrorists"", etc. You'd think the tactic would be too obvious to trot out yet again after a decade of Sarah and the rest of the Brady Bunch using it to destroy the Second Amendment, but evidently the control nuts feel it will serve them one more time.",11 "All of this talk about a COMMERCIAL space race (i.e. $1G to the first 1-year moon base) is intriguing. Similar prizes have influenced aerospace development before. The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit of Saint Louis venture to his financial backers. If memory serves, the $25k prize would not have been enough to totally reimburse some of the more expensive transatlantic projects (such as Fokker's, Nungesser and other multi-engine projects). However Lindbergh ultimately kept his total costs below that amount. But I strongly suspect that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to realize that much more was at stake than $25,000. Could it work with the moon? Who are the far-sighted financial backers of today?",14 "[ Article crossposted from temple.forsale ] [ Author was Ray Lauff (ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu) ] [ Posted on Wed, 21 Apr 1993 01:04:27 GMT ] Regular CBS/FOX release of the wide screen edition of the movie The Abyss for sale, asking $30, including postage. I want to purchase the new director's cut and would like to unload this LaserDisc if possible. Two discs, unopened, 132 minutes, letterbox. Email me if interested. ray@astro.ocis.temple.edu Ray -- Ray Lauff | Temple University Computer Services | ray_lauff@astro.temple.edu ",6 " I believe the reason is that the lung diaphram gets too tired to pump the liquid in and out and simply stops breathing after 2-3 minutes. So if your in the vehicle ready to go they better not put you on hold, or else!! That's about it. Remember a liquid is several more times as dense as a gas by its very nature. ~10 I think, depending on the gas and liquid comparision of course!",14 "Hello, I have a motherboard and a case for sale as a package. Both of them came from a CompuAdd computer I bought last August and am presently upgrading. Here are the specs-- Motherboard ----------- Cyrix 486SL 25 MHz microprocessor Chips and Technology chipset (SCATsx V2.3.6 SLSLC) 8 SIMM banks for a maximum of 32 Megs of RAM BUILT-IN Floppy and Hard Drive Controllers BUILT-IN ports--1 Parallel, 2 Serial (9 and 25 pin) BUILT-IN Paradise SVGA controller with 1 meg of RAM (Windows drivers inc.) -can do up to 1024x768 @ 256 colors -based on the Western Digital WD90C31 chip Math co-processor slot 3 16-bit expansion slots and 2 8-bit expansion slots Case ---- Low-Profile Desktop Very nice grey color 150 watt power supply Room for 2 floppies plus HD Mouse ----- 3-button Microsoft-compatible Grey color matches case All original manuals and documentation, video drivers, etc. are included. You are probably wondering why I must sell the case with the motherboard. It is simply because the case is custom-made for this particular board and you would be hard-pressed to fit another MB in it. However, the case and this motherboard were made to go together and fit perfectly. As you can see, since this board includes drive controllers AND a video controller, you can save some money by buying this unit and not a MB where you would need to get IO cards, video card, and drive controllers Its just a lot more convenient on the whole I would like to ask about $500 for this whole package. I think this is a fair price given the facts that it includes a video card and drive controllers/IO ports. All you need to do is add drives, a monitor, RAM, and a keyboard. Also keep in mind that it isn't a generic board, but from CompuAdd. I also will entertain all serious offers. Please email at jmu@acpub.duke.edu Thanks",6 " I'm not sure it is the fluctuation so much as the estrogen level. Taking Premarin can certainly cause migraines in some women. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 " Essential tremor is a progressive hereditary tremor that gets worse when the patient tries to use the effected member. All limbs, vocal cords, and head can be involved. Inderal is a beta-blocker and is usually effective in diminishing the tremor. Alcohol and mysoline are also effective, but alcohol is too toxic to use as a treatment. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 " [...Dr. England's story deleted, it was a nice read the first time through...]] It isn't so much a matter of 'interpretation' of Bible texts that sets Mormonism apart from orthodoxy as it is a matter of *fabrication*. About 20 years ago, _National Lampoon_ had some comic strips in them that were drawn by Neal Adams. They were called ""Son o' God"" comics. It was a parody of the Jesus in the Bible. In the comic, there were a group of thirteen Jewish kids from Brooklyn, and when one of them said the magic word, he turned into ""Son o' God."" He went from a myopic, curly headed, yarmulke wearing boy to a replica of the stylizied portraits of Jesus --- with long flowing brown hair and gentile features. Now, if someone were to profess faith in this NatLamp Jesus, and claim that they were a Christian because they believed in this NatLamp Jesus, we would have to say that this was fallacious since this Jesus was a fabrication, and did not really exist. This is the exact same thing that the LDS do when they claim that they are Christian. They profess faith in Jesus, but the Jesus that they profess to have faith in is as much a fabrication as the NatLamp Jesus was. ",19 "=Surprise surprise, different people react differently to different things. One =slightly off the subject case in point. My brother got stung by a bee. I know =he is allergic to bee stings, but that his reaction is severe localized =swelling, not anaphylactic shock. I could not convince the doctors of that, =however, because that's not written in their little rule book. Of course, bee venom isn't a single chemical. Could be your brother is reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock in other people. Similarly, Chinese food isn't just MSG. There are a lot of other ingredients in it. Why, when someone eats something with lots of ingredients they don't normally consume, one of which happens to be MSG, do they immediately conclude that any negative reaction is to the MSG? =I would not be surprised in the least to find out the SOME people have bad =reactions to MSG, including headaches, stomachaches and even vomiting. I'd be surprised if some of these reactions weren't due to other ingredients. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick | INTERnet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU | NSI/HEPnet: SOL1::CARL",13 "We have an old Sun3/60 here which gets occasional use. When X11R5 is started on it any console messages during startup are undeletable. After X is fully started we run an xterm as the ""console"" - the problem is that any messages that arrive before this starts go to the plain console. ""Refresh window"" fails to remove them. The messages are a real pain since they sit in the middle of the screen obscuring anything else below them. At boot time the 3/60 lists two framebuffers - /dev/cgfour0 and /dev/bwtwo1. We're running X in color, and I suspect that maybe the offending messages are on the B/W framebuffer, and thereby not getting deleted. My question is: has anyone else seen this, and is there an easy way to get rid of these messages? Please reply by e-mail to hughm@inmos.co.uk. Hugh McIntyre. INMOS Ltd., Bristol, UK. (BTW: SunOS 4.0.3, X11R5, mwm).",5 "Does anyone have some information on the relative fraction of the final cost of each component in an average hard drive? For instance, I'm pretty sure the heads and the platters are the most expensive parts, with the assembly costs running a close third. Cost of the electronics is likely in the noise. Any hard numbers ($$ or percentage)? Thanks. +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+ +=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=+",12 "Source: ""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 193. ""Their [Muslim] villages were destroyed and they themselves were slain or driven out of the country."" p. 218. ""We Armenians did not spare the Tartars. If persisted in, the slaughtering of prisoners, the looting, and the rape and massacre of the helpless become commonplace actions expected and accepted as a matter of course. I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the ground, in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. They had been as helpless and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died as soldiers die in the heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage, with weapons in their hands, and exchanging blow for blow. They had died as the helpless must, with their hearts and brains bursting with horror worse than death itself."" Serdar Argic",17 " How about a group called talk.that.thomas.parsli.approves? -- Clinton Administration e-mail addresses | clintonhq@campaign92.org (MCIMail) provided as a public service by | 75300.3115@compuserve.com (CompuServe) Jon Edward Shum (jon@mitre.org) | clintonpz@aol.com (America Online)",16 "Hi everyone. Just the other day, I ordered a VRAM chip for my new LCIII from Mac Connection. They sent it overnight (very nice) and I got it installed, and we found that it didn't work properly. When you put the computer in thousands mode, the bottom of the screen (using the new chip) is all flickering and fuzzy. So I called them up and I'm going to return it for a new one. My question is, how often does such a thing happen with SIMM chips in general? Do you often find when ordering chips that a large portion are bad? Is this a rarity? This is the first chip I've ordered so I have no other experience in this area. I'm just curious if anyone else has had the same type of experience. That's about it. Please email me, and if people want, I can post a summary. Thanks all. -- Hillel Sims ----- simsh@rpi.edu ----- Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute",4 "Subject line says it all. Thanks in advance. Please email chuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov Go Cubs! ",9 "-> -> > Besides which, we don't *want* Clinton assasinated, because that would make h -> > a martyr a la JFK. -> > -> > It's a much better deal to have him end his term of office in disgrace, after -> > watching all his liberal democrat friends on his staff run this nation down t -> > toilet. -> > -> > Assuming, of course, that the riots a fortnight from now don't do it for him. -> -> -> He'd have to go a far ways to run things down as bad as Reagan and Bush -> did. We didn't have riots but Bush got dumped out on his spotty Behind. -> -> -> We'll see in 4 years. -> -> -> Pope Charles Slack in our time! -> -> ?s You need to stop watching TV and start reading some history.",18 ": >over where it places its temp files: it just places them in its : >""current directory"". : I have to beg to differ on this point, as the batch file I use : to launch cview cd's to the dir where cview resides and then : invokes it. every time I crash cview, the 0-byte temp file : is found in the root dir of the drive cview is on. I posted this as well before the cview ""expert"". Apparently, he thought he knew better.",1 "And why is this Freeman? Even if a pro-gun person doesn't know what they are talking about there is always the possibility that they will learn a thing or two. I am and will continue to post even if people get angry with what I have to say. I have several good sources of material now that I know where to look so calm down. Ah, Freeman seems to forget from my statement that I am learning. I have also asked several of the not-so-hostile folks on this group for sources of information to read. Do you think, Freeman, that maybe this means I am interested in learning? I think it does because as you said people who don't know anything won't be good for the pro-gun cause. Another good habit to get into is to realize that not everyone is you Freeman and accept mistakes. Sure, maybe it could have been some type of misinformation being slung by some anti-gun nut but it wasn't. I made my statement to inform everyone of this and everyone who replied said don't worry about it but also to learn as much as you can. They accepted my mistake and gave me sources of information and told me to read as much as possible. I have read several posts of yours and have found them informative. Why don't you give me the same chance? ",16 ": In my mind, to say that science has its basis in values is a bit of a : reach. Science has its basis in observable fact. I'd say that what one chooses to observe and how the observation is interpreted and what significance it's given depends a great deal on the values of the observer. Science is a human activity and as such, is subject to the same potential for distortion as any other human activity. The myth that scientists are above moral influence or ethical concern, that their knowledge can be abstacted whole and pure from nature untainted by the biases of the scientist, is nonsense. Bill : If one is to argue for objective values (in a moral sense) then one must : first start by demonstrating that morality itself is objective. Considering : the meaning of the word ""objective"" I doubt that this will ever happen. : So, back to the original question: : And objective morality is.....? This may be an unfortunate choice of words, almost self-contradictory. Objective in the sense used here means something immutable and absolute while morality describes the behavior of some group of people. The first term is all inclusive, the second is specific. The concept supposedly described may have meaning however. If there is a God as described by the Christians (for instance), then He has existence apart from and independent of humankind; His existence is outside of our frame of reference (reality). If this being declares a thing to be so, it is -necessarily- so since He has defined Himself as omnipotent and, if His claims are to be believed, He is at least omnipotent relative to us. God is intrinsically self-defined and all reality is whatever He says it is - in an objective sense. If God determines a standard of conduct, that standard is objective. If human beings are held accountable for their conformance to that standard while permitted to ignore it, they substitute a relative morality or mode of conduct, giving the term morality a nebulous, meaningless sense that can be argued about by those pretending to misunderstand. The standard is objective and the conduct required to meet that standard is therefore objectively determined. Just because it is convenient to pretend that the term morality is infinitely malleable, doesn't mean that the objective standard itself doesn't exist. Morality has come to mean little more than a cultural norm, or the preferred conduct of ""decent"" people, making it seem subjective, but it is derived from an absolute, objective, standard. Ironically, this objective standard is in perfect accord with our true nature (according to Christianity at least), yet is condemned as being contrary to human nre, oppressive and severe. This may be due as",19 "I have 19 (2 MB worth!) uuencode'd GIF images contain charts outlining one of the many alternative Space Station designs being considered in Crystal City. Mr. Mark Holderman works down the hall from me, and can be reached for comment at (713) 483-1317, or via e-mail at mholderm@jscprofs.nasa.gov. Mark proposed this design, which he calls ""Geode"" (""rough on the outside, but a gem on the inside"") or the ""ET Strongback with integrated hab modules and centrifuge."" As you can see from file geodeA.gif, it uses a Space Shuttle External Tank (ET) in place of much of the truss which is currently part of Space Station Freedom. The white track on the outside of the ET is used by the Station Remonte Manipulator System (SRMS) and by the Reaction Control System (RCS) pod. This allows the RCS pod to move along the track so that thrusting can occur near the center of gravity (CG) of the Station as the mass properties of the Station change during assembly. The inline module design allows the Shuttle to dock more easily because it can approach closer to the Station's CG and at a structurally strong part of the Station. In the current SSF design, docking forces are limited to 400 pounds, which seriously constrains the design of the docking system. The ET would have a hatch installed pre-flight, with little additional launch mass. We've always had the ability to put an ET into orbit (contrary to some rumors which have circulated here), but we've never had a reason to do it, while we have had some good reasons not to (performance penalties, control, debris generation, and eventual de-orbit and impact footprint). Once on-orbit, we would vent the residual H2. The ET insulation (SOFI) either a) erodes on-orbit from impact with atomic Oxygen, or b) stays where it is, and we deploy a Kevlar sheath around it to protect it and keep it from contaminating the local space environment. Option b) has the advantage of providing further micrometeor protection. The ET is incredibly strong (remember, it supports the whole stack during launch), and could serve as the nucleus for a much more ambitious design as budget permits. The white module at the end of ET contains a set of Control Moment Gyros to be used for attitude control, while the RCS will be used for gyro desaturation. The module also contains a de-orbit system which can be used at the end of the Station's life to perform a controlled de-orbit (so we don't kill any more kangaroos, like we did with Skylab). The centrifuge, which has the same volume as a hab module, could be used for long-term studies of the effects of lunar or martian gravity on humans. The centrifuge will be used as a momentum storage device for the whole attitude control system. The centrifuge is mounted on one of the modules, opposite the ET and the solar panels. This design uses most of the existing SSF designs for electrical, data and communication systems, getting leverage from the SSF work done to date. Mark proposed this design at Joe Shea's committee in Crystal City, and he reports that he was warmly received. However, the rumors I hear say that a design based on a wingless Space Shuttle Orbiter seems more likely. Please note that this text is my interpretation of Mark's design; you should see his notes in the GIF files. Instead of posting a 2 MB file to sci.space, I tried to post these for anon-FTP in ames.arc.nasa.gov, but it was out of storage space. I'll let you all know when I get that done. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368",14 " So, we should ban the ammunition? Why not get rid of the guns? It is worse than others? The National Anthem? Should it be changed too? God Bless America? The list goes on... Then you'd be no better than the people you despise. Oh? An endorsement, or an acknowledgement? I think gods are things that people are proud of, but I don't think the motto encourages belief. Is it? [...] Would you approve of such a motto? And removing the tool will solve the problem? Or will it increase the problem?",0 " The existence of the weapon in and of itself (and this is also true for biologics and chemical weapons, but for slightly different reasons) poses a threat to living critters. Can you say ""neutron and other radiation flux due to radioactive decay"", boys and girls?",16 "Hi, I just got myself a Gateway 4DX-33V and trying to configure X11R5 for it. Has anyone done this before ? More specifically, I need a correct Xconfig file entry that is set up for my graphics card and monitor. I have a 15"" Color CrystalScan 1572FS monitor and a VESA LOCAL BUS ATI Ultra Pro with 1MB VRAM video card. Any help will be extremely appreciated. Thanks in advance. Please send replies to christy@alex.qc.ca ",5 " We'll let you live, but just this once.... There's more to a real ""storage"" scope than just a long-persistence phosphor. Actually, the phosphor ISN'T usually anything special at all; what makes a storage tube work is a screen placed just *behind* the phosphor, which becomes charged as the electron beam intially ""writes"" the trace. With the trace now written to the screen, a separate low-level ""flood"" electron gun keeps the image lit by exciting those areas of phosphor which are next to the ""written"" areas on the storage screen. There are some problems with this - the resolution is limited compared to a non-storage tube, and the stored trace tends to ""bloom"" with time. Of course, this is pretty much obsolete technology, done in by the current digital scopes which use raster-scan displays and keep everything in a frame-buffer memory anyways. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Ah, yes - from the same people who brought you that amazing new reading program that's sweeping Eastern Europe: ""Hooked on Consonants!"" :-) ",12 " Who? Where? Don't look at me. I want to send aid to Russia. Many other conservatives do as well. ",18 "I have a pair of AKG 340 headphones for sale. They are an electrostatic dyanmic headphone; a dynamic element for the bottom end and an electrostatic for the high end. They are very comfortable and sound very nice. They are in like new condition. I would like $220CDN for the pair. Brett Maraldo ",6 "Well I am not sure if this is the right newsgroup to ask, but let me try anyway. I am running xterm and like all UNIX users, I run man . Recently, I switched to Solaris 2.1, and their man pages are littered with "".I"" directives that are somehow translated into reverse video when displayed by man under xterm. The resulting output (admittedly a personal taste) is very ANNOYING to look at. Back when I was using SunOS 4.1.2, I remember their man pages have some keywords displayed with underlining.... So my question is how do I change the xterm's behaviour under "".I"" directives for nroff man pages, to perhaps underlining, or at least disabling it. ("".B"" directives are fine, I like them. And of course, I don't want to go in and edit the man pages inputs...) Somehow, xterm allows one to specify both a normal font and a bold font, but not an italic font?? Any pointers, suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks -- John",5 "out- have air, hahaha ... my sentiments exactly. ",7 "Hey!!! I've just upgraded my laptop to a Windows-capable one, so I don't need my DOS word processor anymore. It's a great word processor. Easy-to-use, undemanding on the system, and best of all, it has a WYSIWYG EDITING mode. This is something Word Perfect doesn't have!! And all I'm asking is $65 + shipping. It even comes with several hundred dollars of free utilities!!! $65 for a full-featured WYSIWYG word processor!!! Perfect for a laptop, or a lower powered machine!",6 " [The original question was about who started the fire and whether the ""madmen"" were inside or outside the compound. To which I replied on the possible sanity level of those inside and outside.] I paid my taxes. There was no reference to sex or religion on the form. The comments above and below were meant to address who might be unstable enough to keep children in a building with tear gas or start a fire. I agree that the BATF handled the affair badly. Do you believe they would put impostors before the national tv cameras? At this point, we are getting conflicting reports from the survivors. Best wait til more light is shed upon them. Of course, this is no good if you believe in eternal darkness. ",16 "I have a problem when I'm using PostScript. When I am working local on a SUN SPARCstaton IPC the PostScript works good, but when I connect to the SUN from a X-terminal I just get error messages that the PostScript cannot connect to the news-display. Why doesn't PostScript work on an X-terminal? Is there any way to make it work? ",5 " Alsys has produced a paper outlining how to use C++ with TeleUSE. You can get a copy from your local sales rep or call us at (619)457-2700. As mentioned, it is very straight forward using the Dialog language (similar to Visual Basic). -- ",5 " Yes, but as has been mentioned many times before, the Islanders play at the talent level of their opponent. Since Hartford is pitiful, the Islanders played pitiful. Since Pittsburgh is great, the Isles will most likely play great. This is most likely due to inexperience and very poor shooting. To Greg: yes, I have noticed that the Islanders couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with the puck if they were two feet in front of it. Does anyone have shooting percentages? I don't know if that would help, since they often miss the net completely, but it might shed some light on the subject. And, my playoff pool is running!!! Exact rules to be posted tomorrow, but don't hesitate to send in picks!!! -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!",10 " ADL authorities seem to view a lot of people as dangerous, including the millions of Americans of Arab ancestry. Perhaps you can answer the question as to why the ADL maintained files and spied on ADC members in California (and elsewhere??)? Friendly rivalry perhaps? Perhaps Yigal is a Greenpeace member? Or the NAACP? Or a reporter? Or a member of any of the dozens of other political organizations/ethnic minorities/occupations that the ADL spied on. Paranoia? The names of half the posters on this forum, unless they already have them. ",17 "What's the latest and greatest way to dim incandescent lamps ? March '93 Circuit Cellar has part one of an article about dimming 120VAC lamps, but it seems to lead into phase- control as the best method for controlling brightness. I've always hated phase-control for the RFI, buzzing filaments and non-linear adjustment range. I had heard that you can modulate the AC line on a cycle by cycle basis to get better results. To cut the lamp's power to 50% you would givemsay 20 cycles of AC, then nothing for another 20 cycles. I wonder if anyone has tried this or knows what the pro stuff is using. Any advice is appreciated! Ken ",12 " You asked a question, and now you don't want people to answer? I believe a legitimate question was asked. Why shouldn't cost and safety be used (at least in part) to determine legality? I'd like to see you *prove* that drug legalization is an idiotic idea. Seems to me the evidence from Great Britain is pretty convincing that drug legalization is a good idea. Even such a noted conservative as William F. Buckley supports it. Your examples (except for prostitution) fail miserably to meet both criteria (safer AND cheaper). Obviously, killing people is not ""safe"". As for prostitution, why shouldn't it be legal? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ...Dale Cook ""Any town having more churches than bars has a serious social problem."" ---Edward Abbey The opinions are mine only (i.e., they are NOT my employer's)",18 "I think you can add former A's first baseman Mike Epstein (no relation) to the list.",9 "I don't think speed has been determined, since it has never run on Intel chips. But on the Amiga's Motorola Chips, it was one of the fastest true 'Ray Tracers' I don't think Impulse would port it over and not take speed into consideration. In terms of features, and learning curve... ALL that you stated for 3DS is also true for Imagine, and lots more... But I'll have to admit that after 3 years of use on the Amiga, the learning curve is very steep. This is due ONLY to the manual. It is realy BAD. However, there is a lot of after market support for this product, including regular 'Tips' articles in many magazines such as ""AVID and a great book by Steve Worley called ""Understanding Imagine 2.0"" This book i is not just recommened, IT IS A MUST!",1 "I simply wish to thank Dave Mielke (dave@bnr.ca) for sharing the tract concerning God's love. It was most welcome to me and a great source of comfort.",15 "I have a request for those who would like to see Charley Wingate respond to the ""Charley Challenges"" (and judging from my e-mail, there appear to be quite a few of you.) It is clear that Mr. Wingate intends to continue to post tangential or unrelated articles while ingoring the Challenges themselves. Between the last two re-postings of the Challenges, I noted perhaps a dozen or more posts by Mr. Wingate, none of which answered a single Challenge. It seems unmistakable to me that Mr. Wingate hopes that the questions will just go away, and he is doing his level best to change the subject. Given that this seems a rather common net.theist tactic, I would like to suggest that we impress upon him our desire for answers, in the following manner: 1. Ignore any future articles by Mr. Wingate that do not address the Challenges, until he answers them or explictly announces that he refuses to do so. --or-- 2. If you must respond to one of his articles, include within it something similar to the following: ""Please answer the questions posed to you in the Charley Challenges."" Really, I'm not looking to humiliate anyone here, I just want some honest answers. You wouldn't think that honesty would be too much to ask from a devout Christian, would you? Nevermind, that was a rhetorical question.",0 "I have a strange piece of equipment to unload. It is a Ether+ SCSI interface. Apparently, it can be plugged into a SCSI port and from there to an ethernet. That way you save a slot. Nifty. Well, I assume you people know more about it, so, judging by the $350 price tag new, I'll ask, say, $75? Anybody interested? ",4 "I was laughing about the law part. I've driven thru SOHO...manahattan, _I_ know what' you're talking 'bout... :^) Not that Durham, NC is any better... (well, maybe a little bit anyway, but the NC DOT takes more money from road taxes and puts it in their own pockets and into the pockets of the guys building the large condos that need their own roads than they do back into fixing roads, but hey, the local paper did a report of this last summer, and boy, am I glad I don't work for the DOT, 'cause they got SHAT on, bigtime....wonder who lost their jobs? ED? Got any idea?) ",8 "I have a question regarding the processing of program arguments such as the -geometry option. Since this is a standard X option, I'm wondering wether I have to parse it manually or whether there is some predefined function that will do this for me?",5 ,19 " How about contaminants on the corn, e.g. aflatoxin??? ",13 "Speech by Pete Worden Delivered Before the U.S. Space Foundation Conference Colorado Springs, Colorado April 15, 1993 What a delightful opportunity to cause some trouble. For providing me this forum I would sincerely like to thank the U.S. Space Foundation. My topic today is the Single Stage Rocket Technology rocket or SSRT. By I intend to speak of more. How to lower the cost and make rapid progress. SSRT is to my mind -- and I hope to convince you -- the erupting a new rallying cry for our generation in space -- Faster, Cheaper, and Better. Faster, Cheaper, Better and SSRT represent the passing of a torch from one technical generation to another. It is a new thing to be sure -- but it is also a relearning of old things from past masters. When we rolled out the SSRT baby two weeks ago, so called experts told us it violates the laws of physics -- it made no sense. For example, Dr. Eberhart Rachtin - former president of the Aerospace Corp., said of SSRT in the L.A. Times that it, ""defies the best principles of launching payloads into space."" Well Dr. Rachtin -- you've made us mad! What are these principles that SSRT defies? Well I'll tell you. It violates the principle that you need a giant program office to build space hardware. It violates the ""fact"" that it takes 20 years to build something new. And it violates the truism that you cant do anything significant for less than many billions of dollars. It took some of the last generation's experts to teach us some new/old lessons. Werhner Von Braun's first rocket was not a Saturn V. General Schriever's ICBM's didn't take ten years to demonstrate. And the X-1 airplane didn't cost $1 billion. It took one of the great engineers of the 1950's to remind us of these truths -- Max Hunter. Max, to remind you, was a senior engineer in the Thor IRBM program, and old faster, better, cheaper success story. Max has been persistent in a vision of a single stage reusable space launch system since the 1960's. Because he knew it had to be done in affordable steps - Build a little, Test a little. Next he persuaded us to do a technology demonstration. We didn't solicit a bunch of requirements -- they'd just change every few years anyway. [ not included in the speech -- The ALS/NLS has such ephemeral requirements that it would better known as ""Shape Shifter"" than ""Space Lifter."" We didn't spend a lot money -- this X-Rocket only cost $60 million. When's the last time we even built a new airplane for that? And it didn't take a lot of time to build -- McDonnell Douglas completed it in 18 months. Finally, the government program office consisted of one very over-worked Air Force Major -- motivated in part by the threat that he'd get to ride on it in a strapped-on lawn chair if it ran over cost or schedule. As I described what SSRT is -- and isn't keep in mind its only a first step. There are several more steps -- and steps that can easily fail -- before the U.S. can field an SSTO. But each step should follow the same principles -- a small management team -- a few years technology demonstration -- and a modest budget. Let me show a few details on SSRT and how it might evolve: (See charts) I'm embarrassed when my generation is compared with the last generation -- the giants of the last great space era, the 1950's and 1960's. They went to the moon - we built a telescope that can't see straight. They soft-landed on Mars - the least we could do is soft-land on Earth! But we do have an answer. We can follow their build a little, test a little philosophy to produce a truly affordable and routine access to space. I know there are nay sayers among you -- those who say SSRT is a stunt. It needs more thermal protection, the engines are wrong, it would be better to land horizontally, etc, etc. I say to you -- we'll see you at White Sands in June. You bring your view-graphs, and I'll bring my rocketship. If we do what we say we can do, then you let us do the next step. [ not included in the speech: If we fail -- you still have your program offices, staff summary sheets, requirement analyses, and decade long programs.]",14 "A local dealer is advertising ""No negotiation necessary!"" Make you wonder... ",7 "I need the specs on various eprom data formats such as Intel Hex, Motorola S JEDEC etc. Can anyone out there provide such info or a pointer to it? The one I want the most is Intel Hex.",12 "1987 ARIENS RIDING LAWN MOWER This mower is in perfect condition and contains the following features: - Electric Start - 26 inch cut - Double Rear Baggers - New Battery - New Engine (one year old) - Inflatable Tires (gives nice ride) - Cushioned Seat (gives nice ride) I am moving into a house that has a small area of grass to cut and does not require such large mower. The engine was replaced, not rebuilt, last year due to some faulty work done by a lawn mower repair shop.",6 "Keith, I had a problem getting 256 colors (I was stuck with 16) even though the flex-stuff said I was at 1024-256. I solved it by entering the 'advanced' window on the flex program pannel and changing the 'color palette'. Sorry for the vaugeness, I hope it helps some. BTW, I have a GW2000-66V and 1M ATI GUP.",3 "Any more news on Steve's status since he lost the starting job would be appreciated",9 " Microwaves don't work very well with no electricity Mr Engineer. ",16 " So. If I can scrounge up a good looking CX500 Turbo, will someone trade me an MHR Duc for it? ===============================================================================",8 " Stuff deleted I sure hope you got the cost of a replacement panel out of the owner. Here if the owner should seem reluctant, a stop by the local SPCA (preferably with your foot/leg all swollen up) to file a viscious dog report would do the trick. -g.",8 " In most cases information you come by properly is yours to use as you wish, but there are certainly exceptions. If you write a paper which includes sufficiently detailed information on how to build a nuclear weapon, it is classified. As I understand the law, nuclear weapons design is _automatically_ classified even if you do the work yourself. I believe you are then not allowed to read your own paper. A less serious example: if you tell drivers about a speed trap they are about to run into, you can be fined, even though you might argue that you broke no law when you discovered the location of the policeman. The charge is interfering with a police officer, which is quite similar what you would be doing by reverse engineering the Clipper chip. Don't tell me that you think this violates the Constitution -- find some court cases which have struck down such laws. Many people would not be comforted by the fact that the government violated their rights when it imprisoned them. ",11 "I was wondering if anyone had any information about Molluscous contagiosem. I acquired it, and fortunately got rid of it, but the question still lingers in my mind: Where did it come from? The little bit of info that I have received about it in the past states that it can be transmitted sexually, but also occurs in small children on the hands, feet and genitalia. Any information will be greatly appreciated. ""I grow old, I grow old; I shall wear my trousers rolled.""",13 " Who has to consider it? The being that does the action? I'm still not sure I know what you are trying to say.",0 "Not to be too snide about it, but I think this Christianity must be a very convenient religion, very maliable and suitable for any occassion since it seems one can take it any way one wants to go with it and follow whichever bits one pleases and reinterpret the bits that don't match with one's desires. It is, in fact, so convenient that, were I capable of believing in a god, I might consider going for some brand of Christianity. The only difficulty left then, of course, is picking which sect to join. There are just so many. Dean Kaflowitz Yes, Christianity is convenient. Following the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Ten Commandments is convenient. Trying to love in a hateful world is convenient. Turning the other cheek is convenient. So convenient that it is burdensome at times. Dave. ",19 "Archive-name: net-privacy/part1 Last-modified: 1993/3/3 Version: 2.1 IDENTITY, PRIVACY, and ANONYMITY on the INTERNET ================================================ (c) 1993 L. Detweiler. Not for commercial use except by permission from author, otherwise may be freely copied. Not to be altered. Please credit if quoted. SUMMARY ======= Information on email and account privacy, anonymous mailing and posting, encryption, and other privacy and rights issues associated with use of the Internet and global networks in general. (Search for <#.#> for exact section. Search for '_' (underline) for next section.) PART 1 ====== (this file) Identity -------- <1.1> What is `identity' on the internet? <1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet? <1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background? <1.4> How can I find out more about somebody from their email address? <1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet? <1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet? Privacy ------- <2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet? <2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet? <2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks? <2.4> How (in)secure is my account? <2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories? <2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows? <2.7> How (in)secure is my email? <2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings? <2.9> How do I provide more/less information to others on my identity? <2.10> Who is my sysadmin? What does s/he know about me? <2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet? <2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet? Anonymity --------- <3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet? <3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet? <3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet? <3.4> What is `anonymous mail'? <3.5> What is `anonymous posting'? <3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet? <3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet? PART 2 ====== (next file) Resources --------- <4.1> What UNIX programs are related to privacy? <4.2> How can I learn about or use cryptography? <4.3> What is the cypherpunks mailing list? <4.4> What are some privacy-related newsgroups? FAQs? <4.5> What is internet Privacy Enhanced Mail (PEM)? <4.6> What are other Request For Comments (RFCs) related to privacy? <4.7> How can I run an anonymous remailer? <4.8> What are references on privacy in email? <4.9> What are some email, Usenet, and internet use policies? <4.10> What is the MIT ``CROSSLINK'' anonymous message TV program? Miscellaneous ------------- <5.1> What is ``digital cash''? <5.2> What is a ``hacker'' or ``cracker''? <5.3> What is a ``cypherpunk''? <5.4> What is `steganography' and anonymous pools? <5.5> What is `security through obscurity'? <5.6> What are `identity daemons'? <5.7> What standards are needed to guard electronic privacy? Issues ------ <6.1> What is the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)? <6.2> Who are Computer Professionals for Social Responsibility (CPSR)? <6.3> What was `Operation Sun Devil' and the Steve Jackson Game case? <6.4> What is Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN)? <6.5> What is the National Research and Education Network (NREN)? <6.6> What is the FBI's proposed Digital Telephony Act? <6.7> What other U.S. legislation is related to privacy on networks? <6.8> What are references on rights in cyberspace? <6.9> What is the Computers and Academic Freedom (CAF) archive? Footnotes --------- <7.1> What is the background behind the Internet? <7.2> How is Internet `anarchy' like the English language? <7.3> Most Wanted list <7.4> Change history PART 3 ====== (last file) Anonymizing ----------- <8.1> What are some known anonymous remailing and posting sites? <8.2> What are the responsibilities associated with anonymity? <8.3> How do I `kill' anonymous postings? <8.4> What is the history behind anonymous posting servers? <8.5> What is the value of anonymity? <8.6> Should anonymous posting to all groups be allowed? <8.7> What should system operators do with anonymous postings? <8.8> What is going on with anon.penet.fi maintained by J. Helsingius? * * * IDENTITY ======== _____ <1.1> What is `identity' on the internet? Generally, today people's `identity' on the internet is primarily determined by their email address in the sense that this is their most unchanging 'face' in the electronic realm. This is your login name qualified by the complete address domain information, for example ``ld231782@longs.lance.colostate.edu''. People see this address when receiving mail or reading USENET posts from you and in other situations where programs record usage. Some obsolete forms of addresses (such as BITNET) still persist. In email messages, additional information on the path that a message takes is prepended to the message received by the recipient. This information identifies the chain of hosts involved in the transmission and is a very accurate trace of its origination. This type of identify-and-forward protocol is also used in the USENET protocol to a lesser extent. Forging these fields requires corrupted mailing software at sites involved in the forwarding and is very uncommon. Not so uncommon is forging the chain at the origination point, so that all initial sites in the list are faked at the time the message is created. Tracing these messages can be difficult or impossible when the initial faked fields are names of real machines and represent real transfer routes. _____ <1.2> Why is identity (un)important on the internet? The concept of identity is closely intertwined with communication, privacy, and security, which in turn are all critical aspects of computer networks. For example, the convenience of communication afforded by email would be impossible without conventions for identification. But there are many potential abuses of identity possible that can have very severe consequences, with massive computer networks at the forefront of the issue, which can potentially either exacerbate or solve these problems. Verifying that an identity is correct is called `authentication', and one classic example of the problems associated with it is H.G.Well's ``War of the Worlds'' radio broadcast that fooled segments of the population into thinking that an alien invasion was in progress. Hoaxes of this order are not uncommon on Usenet and forged identities makes them more insidious. People and their reputations can be assaulted by forgery. However, the fluidity of identity on the internet is for some one of its most attractive features. Identity is just as useful as it is harmful. A professor might carefully explain a topic until he finds he is talking to an undergraduate. A person of a particular occupation may be able to converse with others who might normally shun him. Some prejudices are erased, but, on the other hand, many prejudices are useful! A scientist might argue he can better evaluate the findings of a paper as a reviewer if he knows more about the authors. Likewise, he may be more likely to reject it based on unfair or irrelevant criteria. On the other side of the connection, the author may find identities of reviewers useful in exerting pressure for acceptance. Identity is especially crucial in establishing and regulating `credit' (not necessarily financial) and `ownership' and `usage'. Many functions in society demand reliable and accurate techniques for identification. Heavy reliance will be placed on digital authentication as global economies become increasingly electronic. Many government functions and services are based on identification, and law enforcement frequently hinges on it. Hence, employees of many government organizations push toward stronger identification structures. But when does identification invade privacy? The growth of the internet is provoking social forces of massive proportions. Decisions made now on issues of identity will affect many future users, especially as the network becomes increasingly global, universal, widespread, and entrenched; and the positive or adverse affects of these actions, intended and inadvertent, will literally be magnified exponentially. _____ <1.3> How does my email address (not) identify me and my background? Your email address may contain information that influences people's perceptions of your background. The address may `identify' you as from a department at a particular university, an employee at a company, or a government worker. It may contain your last name, initials, or cryptic identification codes independent of both. In the US some are based on parts of social security numbers. Others are in the form 'u2338' where the number is incremented in the order that new users are added to the system. Standard internet addresses also can contain information on your broad geographical location or nationhood. However, none of this information is guaranteed to be correct or be there at all. The fields in the domain qualification of the username are based on rather arbitrary organization, such as (mostly invisible) network cabling distributions. The only point to make is that early fields in the address are more specific (such as specific computer names or local networks) and the later ones the most general (such as continental domains). Typically the first field is the name of the computer receiving mail. Gleaning information from the email address alone is sometimes an inspired art or an inconsistent and futile exercise. (For more information, see the FAQs on email addresses and known geographical distributions below.) However, UNIX utilities exist to aid in the quest (see the question on this). Common Suffixes --------------- .us United States .uk United Kingdom .ca Canada .fi Finland .au Australia .edu university or college .com commercial organization .org 'other' (e.g. nonprofit organization) .gov government .mil military site _____ <1.4> How can I find out more about somebody with a given email address? One simple way is to send email to that address, asking. Another way is to send mail to the postmaster at that address (i.e. postmaster@address), although the postmaster's job is more to help find user ID's of particular people given their real name and solve mail routing problems. The sysadmin (i.e. `root@address') may also be able to supply information. Users with related email address may have information. However, all of these methods rely on the time and patience of others so use them minimally. One of the most basic tools for determining identity over the internet is the UNIX utility 'finger'. The basic syntax is: finger user@here.there.everywhere This utility uses communication protocols to query the computer named in the address for information on the user named. The response is generated completely by the receiving computer and may be in any format. Possible responses are as follows: - A message `unknown host' meaning some aspect of the address is incorrect, two lines with no information and '???'. - A message 'In real life: ???' in which case the receiving computer could not find any kind of a match on the username. The finger utility may return this response in other situations. - A listing of information associated with multiple users. Some computers will search only for matching user IDs, others will attempt to find the username you specified as a substring of all actual full names of users kept in a local database. At some sites 'finger' can be used to get a list of all users on the system with a `finger @address'. In general this is often considered weak security, however, because `attackers' know valid user ID's to `crack' passwords. More information on the fields returned by `finger' is given below. More information on `finger' and locating people's email addresses is given in the email FAQ (such as the WHOIS lookup utility). Just as you can use these means to find out about others, they can use them to find out about you. You can `finger' yourself to find out what is publicly reported by your UNIX system about you. Be careful when modifying `finger' data; virtually anyone with internet access worldwide can query this information. In one amazing case, the New York Times writer J. Markoff uncovered the identity of R. Morris, author of the Internet Worm, through the use of an anonymous tip and 'finger'. See the book Cyberspace by K. Hafner and J. Markoff. _____ <1.5> Why is identification (un)stable on the internet? Generally, identity is an amorphous and almost nonexistent concept on the Internet for a variety of reasons. One is the inherent fluidity of `cyberspace' where people emerge and submerge frequently, and absences are not readily noted in the `community'. Most people remember faces and voices, the primary means of casual identification in the 'real world'. The arbitary and cryptic sequences of letters and digits comprising most email addresses are not particularly noticeable or memorable and far from a unique identification of an individual, who may use multiple accounts on multiple machines anywhere in the world. Currently internet users do not really have any great assurances that the messages in email and USENET are from who they appear to be. A person's mailing address is far from an identification of an individual. - Anyone with access to the account, e.g. they know the password, either legitimately or otherwise, can send mail with that address in the From: line. - Email addresses for an individual tend to change frequently as they switch jobs or make moves inside their organizations. - As part of current mailing protocol standards, forging the From: line in mail messages is a fairly trivial operation for many hackers. The status and path information prepended to messages by intermediate hosts is generally unforgeable. In general, while possible, forgeries are fairly rare on most newsgroups and in email. Besides these pathological cases abve there are many basic problems with today's internet protocols affecting identification on the internet: - Internet mail standards, described in RFC-822, are still evolving rapidly and not entirely orderly. For example, standards for mail address `munging' or `parsing' tend to vary slightly between sites and frequently mean the difference between finding addresses and bouncing mail. - Domain names and computer names are frequently changed at sites, and there are delays in the propagation of this data. - Addresses cannot be resolved when certain critical computers crash, such as the receiving computer or other computers involved in resolving names into addresses called `nameservers'. - A whole slew of problems is associated with `nameservers'; if they are not updated they will not find name addresses, and even the operation of what constitutes `updating' has different interpretations at different sites. The current internet mailing and addressing protocols are slightly anachronistic in that they were created when the network was somewhat obscure and not widespread, with only a fraction of the traffic it now sees. Today a large proportion of internet traffic is email, comprising millions of messages. _____ <1.6> What is the future of identification on the internet? Some new technologies and standards are introducing facial images and voice messages into mail and these will improve the sense of community that comes from the familiarity of identification. However, they are not currently widespread, require large amounts of data transfer, standardized software, and make some compromises in privacy. Promising new cryptographic techniques may make 'digital signatures' and 'digital authentication' common (see below). Also, the trend in USENET standards is toward greater authentication of posted information. On the other hand, advances in ensuring anonymity (such as remailers) are forthcoming. See below. PRIVACY ======= _____ <2.1> What is `privacy' on the internet? Generally, while `privacy' has multiple connotations in society and perhaps even more on the internet, in cyberspace most take it to mean that you have exclusive use and access to your account and the data stored on and and directed to it (such as email), and you do not encounter arbitrary restrictions or searches. In other words, others may obtain data associated with your account, but not without your permission. These ideas are probably both fairly limiting and liberal in their scope in what most internet users consider their private domains. Some users don't expect or want any privacy, some expect and demand it. _____ <2.2> Why is privacy (un)important on the internet? This is a somewhat debatable and inflammatory topic, arousing passionate opinions. On the internet, some take privacy for granted and are rudely surprised to find it tenuous or nonexistent. Most governments have rules that protect privacy (such as the illegal search and seizure clause of the U.S. constitution, adopted by others) but have many that are antithetical to it (such as laws prohibiting secret communications or allowing wiretapping). These rules generally carry over to the internet with few specific rules governing it. However, the legal repercussions of the global internet are still largely unknown and untested (i.e. no strong legal precedents and court cases). The fact that internet traffic frequently passes past international boundaries, and is not centrally managed, significantly complicates and strongly discourages its regulation. _____ <2.3> How (in)secure are internet networks? - `Theoretically' people at any site in the chain of sites with access to hardware and network media that transmits data over the Internet could potentially monitor or archive it. However, the sheer volume and general 'noise' inherent to this data makes these scenarios highly improbable, even by government agencies with supposedly vast funding and resources. - Technologies exist to `tap' magnetic fields given off by electrical wires without detection. Less obscurely, any machine with a network connection is a potential station for traffic detection, but this scenario requires knowledge and access to very low-level hardware (the network card) to pursue, if even possible. - A company Network General Inc. is one of many that manufactures and markets sophisticated network monitoring tools that can 'filter' and read packets by arbitrary criteria for troubleshooting purposes, but the cost of this type of device is prohibitive for casual use. Known instances of the above types of security breaches at a major scale (such as at network hubs) are very rare. The greatest risks tend to emerge locally. Note that all these approaches are almost completely defused with the use of cryptography. _____ <2.4> How (in)secure is my account? By default, not very. There are a multitude of factors that may reinforce or compromise aspects of your privacy on the internet. First, your account must be secure from other users. The universal system is to use a password, but if it is `weak' (i.e. easy to guess) this security is significantly diminished. Somewhat surprisingly and frighteningly to some, certain users of the system, particularly the administrator, generally have unlimited access regardless of passwords, and may grant that access to others. This means that they may read any file in your account without detection. Furthermore, not universally known, most UNIX systems keep fairly extensive accounting records of when and where you logged in, what commands you execute, and when they are executed (in fact, login information is usually public). Most features of this `auditing' or `process accounting' information are enabled by default after the initial installation and the system administrator may customize it to strengthen or weaken it to satisfy performance or privacy aims. This information is frequently consulted for troubleshooting purposes and may otherwise be ignored. This data tracks unsuccessful login attempts and other 'suspicious' activities on the system. A traditional part of the UNIX system that tracks user commands is easily circumvented by the user with the use of symbolic links (described in 'man ln'). UNIX implementations vary widely particularly in tracking features and new sophisticated mechanisms are introduced by companies regularly. Typically system adminstrators augment the basic UNIX functionality with public-domain programs and locally-developed tools for monitoring, and use them only to isolate `suspicious' activity as it arises (e.g. remote accesses to the 'passwd' file, incorrect login attempts, remote connection attempts, etc.). Generally, you should expect little privacy on your account for various reasons: - Potentially, every keystroke you type could be intercepted by someone else. - System administrators make extensive backups that are completely invisible to users which may record the states of an account over many weeks. - Erased files can, under many operating systems, be undeleted. - Most automated services keep logs of use for troubleshooting or otherwise; for example FTP sites usually log the commands and record the domain originations of users, including anonymous ones. - Some software exacerbates these problems. See the section on ``X Windows (in)security''. Indepedent of malevolent administrators are fellow users, a much more commonly harmful threat. There are multiple ways to help ensure that your account will not be accessed by others, and compromises can often be traced to failures in these guidelines: - Choose a secure password. Change it periodically. - Make sure to logout always. - Do not leave a machine unattended for long. - Make sure no one watches you when you type your password. - Avoid password references in email. - Be conservative in the use of the .rhost file. - Use utilities like `xlock' to protect a station, but be considerate. Be wary of situations where you think you should supply your password. There are only several basic situations where UNIX prompts you for a password: when you are logging in to a system or changing your password. Situations can arise in which prompts for passwords are forged by other users, especially in cases where you are talking to them (such as Internet Relay Chat). Also, be aware that forged login screens are one method to illegitimately obtain passwords. (Thanks to Jim Mattson for contributions here.) _____ <2.5> How (in)secure are my files and directories? The most important privacy considerations are related to file rights, and many lapses can be traced to their misunderstood nature or haphazard maintenance. Be aware of the rights associated with your files and directories in UNIX. If the `x' (`execute') right on your parent directory is off for users, groups, and other, these users cannot gain information on anything in your directories. Anything less may allow others to read, change, or even delete files in your home directory. The rights on a directory supersede the rights associated with files in that directory. For a directory, 'x' means that access to the files (or subdirectories) in the directory is possible -- if you know their names. To list the contents of the directory, however, requires the 'r' right. By default most accounts are accessable only to the owner, but the initial configuration varies between sites based on administrator preference. The default file mode specifies the initial rights associated with newly created files, and can be set in the shell with `umask'. The details of rights implementations tend to vary between versions of UNIX. Consult man pages on `chmod' and `ls'. Examples -------- traver.lance % ls -ld ~ drwx------ 15 ld231782 1536 Jan 31 21:22 /users/ld231782/ Here is a listing of the rights associated with a user's home directory, denoted by `~'. The columns at the left identify what rights are available. The first column identifies the entry as a directory, and the next three columns mean that read, write, and execute rights, respectively, are permitted for that user. For directories, the `x' right means that contents (file and subdirectory names) within that directory can be listed. The subsequent columns indicate that no other users have any rights to anything in the directory tree originating at that point. They can't even `see' any lower files or subdirectories; the hierarchy is completely invisible to them. traver.lance % ls -l msg -rw-r--r-- 1 ld231782 35661 Jan 29 23:13 msg traver.lance % chmod u=rw,g=,o= msg traver.lance % ls -l msg -rw------- 1 ld231782 35661 Jan 29 23:13 msg Here the modes on the file `msg' were changed to take away rights from `group' and `other'. Note that `ls -l ' requires both the 'r' right to get the list of files and subdirectories, and the 'x' right to access the files and subdirectories in order to get their size, etc. For example, suppose the directory `foo' has rights dr--r--r--, the following is possible: ls foo These commands would fail independent of file rights: ls -l foo ls -l foo/file cat foo/file cd foo If the directory `foo' has rights d--x--x--x, the following are possible if it is known beforehand that `foo' contains an 'r' readable file named `file': ls -l foo/file cat foo/file cd foo The following commands fail: ls foo ls -l foo (Thanks to Uwe Waldmann for contributions here.) _____ <2.6> How (in)secure is X Windows? X Windows is the primary software developed by the MIT Athena project which is funded by U.S. government grants to develop applications to harness the power of networks in enhancing computational tasks, particularly the human-computer interface. The software implements a client-server interface to a computer via graphical windows. In this case the `client' is the application requesting or utilizing graphical resources (such as windows or a mouse) and the `server' is the machine that provides them. In many situations the client is an application program running on the same machine as the server. The great utility of X Windows comes from its complete dissociation of the client and server so that windows may be `broadcast' to a server at a remote location from the client. Unfortunately this dynamic power also introduces many deep, intricate, and complicated security considerations. The primary security and privacy issue associated with X Windows is that much more sensitive data may be sent over a network, and over wider regions, than in the case where the human is situated near the host computer. Currently there is no encryption of data such as screen updates and keystrokes in X Windows. Due to either intentional design decisions or unintentional design flaws, early versions of the X Window system are extremely insecure. Anyone with an account on the server machine can disrupt that display or read it electronically based on access to the device unix:0.0 by any regular user. There are no protections from this type of access in these versions. The problem arises because the security is completely based on machine addresses rather than users, such that any user at a `trusted' machine is himself trusted. Quoting from X documentation (man Xsecurity): > Any client on a host in the host access control list is allowed > access to the X server. This system can work reasonably well in > an environment where everyone trusts everyone, or when only a > single person can log into a given machine...This system does not > work well when multiple people can log in to a single machine and > mutual trust does not exist. With the access control list, the `xhost' command may prevent some naive attempts (i.e. those other than the direct-access unix:0.0 evasion); the syntax as typed on the host machine is ``xhost +[name]'' where [name] is the domain name or internet address of an authorized client machine. By default clients running nonlocal to the host are disabled. Public domain programs to disrupt a display momentarily (such as 'flip' or slowly mirror the screen image, or cause pixels to 'melt' down to the bottom) have been circulating on the internet among hackers for several years and played as pranks on unsuspecting or inexperienced users. Much more serious security breaches are conceivable from similar mechanisms exploiting this inherent weaknesses. (The minimal, easily-bypassed `trusted' security mode of `xhost' has been jokingly referred to as ``X Hanging Open, Security Terrible.''). New versions of the X Window system (X11R5 and higher) by default make server access as secure as the file system using a .Xauthority file and 'magic cookies'. Remote machines must have a code in the .Xauthority file in the home directory that matches the code allowed by the server. Many older programs and even new vendor-supplied code does not support or is incompatible with `magic cookies'. The basic magic cookie mechanism is vulnerable to monitoring techniques described earlier because no encryption of keys occurs in transmission. X11R5 also includes other sophisticated encryption mechanisms. Try `man Xsecurity' to find out what is supported at your site. Even though improved security mechanisms have been available in X Windows since ~1990, local sites often update this software infrequently because installation is extremely complex. (Thanks to Marc Vanheyningen , Jim Mattson , and Bill Marshall for contributions here.) _____ <2.7> How (in)secure is my email? By default, not very. The characters that you are reading are almost certainly encoded in ASCII, the American Standard Code for Information Interchange that maps alphabetic and symbolic characters onto numeric codes and vice versa. Virtually every computer system uses this code, and if not, has ways of converting to and from it. When you write a mail message, by default it is being sent in ASCII, and since the standard is virtually universal, there is no intrinsic privacy. Despite milleniums worth of accumulated cryptographic knowledge, cryptographic technologies are only recently being established that afford high priority to privacy as a primary criteria in computer and network design. Some potential pitfalls in privacy are as follows: - The most serious threats are instances of immature or unscrupulous system operators reading private mail in the `spool files' at a local site (i.e. at the source or destination of the message), such as a university. - System administrators may also release files to law enforcement agencies, but conventions and protocols for warrants involving computer searches have still not been strongly established and tested legally. - Note that bounced messages go to postmasters at a given site in their entirety. This means that if you address mail with an incorrect address it has a good chance of being seen by a human other than the recipient. - Typically new user accounts are always set up such that the local mail directory is private, but this is not guaranteed and can be overridden. - Finally, be aware that some mailing lists (email addresses of everyone on a list) are actually publicly accessable via mail routing software mechanisms. This `feature' can be disabled. Most potential compromises in email privacy can be thoroughly avoided with the use of strong end-to-end cryptography, which has its own set of caveats (for example, unscrupulous administrators may still be a threat if the encryption site is shared or nonlocal). See the sections on ``email privacy'' and ``email policies.'' _____ <2.8> How am I (not) liable for my email and postings? As punishment or whatever, your system administrator can revoke certain `privileges' such as emailing, USENET posting or reading certain groups, file transferring, remote communications, or generally any subset of capabilities available from your account. This all is completely at the discretion of the local administrator and under the procedures followed at a particular site, which in many cases are haphazard and crisis-oriented. Currently there are virtually no widespread, uniform guidelines or procedures for restricting use to any internet services, and local administrators are free to make arbitrary decisions on access. Today punitive measures are regularly applied in various situations. In the typical scenario complaint(s) reach a system adminstrator regarding abuses by a user, usually but not necessarily preceded by complaints to the user in email, regarding that person's objectionable email or postings. `abusive' posters to USENET are usually first given admonitions from their system administrators as urged by others on the `net'. (The debate persists endlessly on many newsgroups whether this is also used as a questionable means of attacking or silencing `harmless crackpots' or censoring unpopular opinions.) System administrators at remote sites regularly cooperate to 'squelch' severe cases of abuse. In general, however, by tradition Usenet readers are remarkably tolerant of diverse views and uses of the system, but a colorful vocabularly of slang helps describe their alternatives when this patience is sapped: the options wielded by the individual user are to simply advance to the next message (referred to as ``hitting the `n' key''), or to `plonk' annoying posters (according to the Hacker's Dictionary, the sound a jerk makes at the end of a fall to the bottom of a kill file). In cases where punitive actions are applied, generally system administrators are least likely to restrict email. USENET postings are much more commonly restricted, either to individual users or entire groups (such as a university campus). Restrictions are most commonly associated with the following `abuses': - harassing or threatening notes, `email terrorism' - illegal uses, e.g. piracy or propagation of copyrighted material - `ad hominem' attacks, i.e. insulting the reputation of the poster instead of citing the content of the message - intentional or extreme vulgarity and offensiveness - inappropriate postings, esp. binary files in regular groups `mail-bombing': inundating mail boxes with numerous or massive files Major problems originate from lack of distinctions in private and official email or postings. Most users have internet access via accounts at businesses or universities and their activities on the internet can be construed as representative of their parent organizations. Many people put disclaimers in their `signatures' in an attempt dissociate their identity and activities from parent organizations as a precaution. A recent visible political case involves the privacy of electronic mail written by White House staff members of the Bush administration. Following are some guidelines: - Acquaint yourself with your company or university policy. - If possible, avoid use of your company email address for private communication. - Use a disclaimer. - Keep a low profile (avoid `flamewars' or simply don't post). - Avoid posting information that could be construed to be proprietary or `internal'. The following references are available from ftp.eff.com (see also the section on ``internet use policies''): /pub/academic/banned.1991 /pub/academic/banned.1992 --- Computer material that was banned/challenged in academia in 1991 and 1992 including USENET hierarchies. /pub/academic/cases --- This is an on-line collection of information about specific computers and academic freedom cases. File README is a detailed description of the items in the directory. /pub/academic/faq/netnews.liability --- Notes on university liability for Usenet. _____ <2.9> How do I provide more/less information to others on my identity? The public information of your identity and account is mostly available though the UNIX utility `finger' described above. - You have control over most of this information with the utility `chfn', the specifics vary between sites (on some systems use `passwd -f'). - You can provide unlimited information in the .plan file which is copied directly to the destination during the fingering. - A technique that works at some sites allows you to find out who is 'finger'ing you and even to vary the .plan file sent to them. - Your signature is determined by the environment variable SIGNATURE - USENET signatures are conventionally stored in the .signature file in your home directory. Providing less information on your online identity is more difficult and involved. One approach is to ask your system adminstrator to change or delete information about you (such as your full name). You may be able to obtain access on a public account or one from someone unrelated to you personally. You may be able to remotely login (via modem or otherwise) to computers that you are not physically near. These are tactics for hiding or masking your online activities but nothing is foolproof. Consult man pages on the 'chmod' command and the default file mode. Generally, files on a shared system have good safeguards within the user pool but very little protection is possible from corrupt system administrators. To mask your identity in email or on USENET you can use different accounts. More untraceable are new `anonymous posting' and remailing services that are very recently being established. See below. ______ <2.10> Who is my sysadmin? What does s/he know about me? The requirements and screening for getting a system administration job (and thereby access to all information on a system) vary widely between sites and are sometimes frighteningly lax, especially at universities. Many UNIX systems at universities are largely managed by undergraduates with a background in computing and often `hacking'. In general, commercial and industrial sites are more strict on qualifications and background, and government sites are extremely strict. The system adminstrator (root user) can monitor what commands you used and at what times. S/he may have a record (backups) of files on your account over a few weeks. S/he can monitor when you send email or post USENET messages, and potentially read either. S/he may have access to records indicating what hosts you are using, both locally and elsewhere. Administrators sometimes employ specialized programs to track `strange' or `unusual' activity, which can potentially be misused. ______ <2.11> Why is privacy (un)stable on the internet? For the numerous reasons listed above, privacy should not be an expectation with current use of the internet. Furthermore, large parts of the internet are funded by the U.S. NSF (National Science Foundation) which places certain restrictions on its use (such as prohibiting commercial use). Some high-level officials in this and other government agencies may be opposed to emerging techniques to guarantee privacy (such as encryption and anonymous services). Historically the major threats to privacy on the internet have been local. Perhaps the most common example of this are the widespread occurrences of university administrators refusing to carry some portion of USENET newsgroups labelled as `pornographic'. The `alternative' hierarchy in the USENET system, which has virtually no restrictions on propagation and new group creation, is frequently targeted (although this material may appear anywhere). From the global point of view traffic is generally completely unimpeded on the internet and only the most egregious offenders are pursued. For example, verbatim transcriptions of copyrighted material (such as newspaper or magazine articles) are posted to USENET with regularity without major consequences (some email complaints may ensue). More astonishing to some is that currently significant portions of USENET traffic, and less so internet traffic, is comprised of sexually-explicit digitized images almost entirely originating from copyrighted material (newsgroups such as `alt.sex' regularly have the highest traffic). ______ <2.12> What is the future of privacy on the internet? Some argue that the internet currently has an adequate or appropriate level of privacy. Others will argue that as a prototype for future global networks it has woefully inadequate safeguards. The internet is growing to become a completely global, international superhighway for data, and this traffic will inevitably entail data such as voice messages, postal mail, and many other items of extremely personal nature. Computer items that many people consider completely private (such as their local hard drives) will literally be inches from global network connections. Also, sensitive industrial and business information is exchanged over networks currently and this volume may conceivably merge with the internet. Most would agree that, for these basic but sensitive uses of the internet, no significant mechanisms are currently in place to ensure much privacy. New standards are calling for uniform introduction of `privacy enhanced mail' (PEM) which uses encryption technologies to ensure privacy, so that privacy protection is automatic, and may significantly improve safeguards. The same technology that can be extremely destructive to privacy (such as with surreptitious surveilance) can be overwhelmingly effective in protecting it (e.g. with encryption). Some government agencies are opposed to unlimited privacy in general, and believe that it should lawfully be forfeited in cases of criminal conduct (e.g. court-authorized wiretapping). However, powerful new technologies to protect privacy on computers are becoming increasingly popular, provoking some to say that ``the cat is out of the bag'' and the ``genie can't be put back in the bottle''. In less idiomatic terms, they believe that the spread of strong cryptography is already underway will be socially and technically unstoppable. To date, no feasible system that guarantees both secure communication and government oversight has been proposed (the two goals are largely incompatible). Proposals for ``registration'' of secret keys (by D. Denning on sci.crypt, for example) have been met with hot controversy at best and ridicule and derision at worst, mainly because of concerns for the right to privacy and objections of inherent feasibility. Electronic privacy issues, and particularly the proper roles of networks and the internet, will foreseeably become highly visible and explosive over the next few years. ANONYMITY ========= _____ <3.1> What is `anonymity' on the internet? Simply stated, anonymity is the absence of identity, the ultimate in privacy. However, there are several variations on this simple theme. A person may wish to be consistently identified by a certain pseudonym or `handle' and establish a reputation under it in some area, providing pseudo-anonymity. A person may wish to be completely untraceable for a single one-way message (a sort of `hit-and-run'). Or, a person may wish to be openly anonymous but carry on a conversation with others (with either known or anonymous identities) via an `anonymous return address'. A user may wish to appear as a `regular user' but actually be untraceable. Sometimes a user wishes to hide who he is sending mail to (in addition to the message itself). The anonymous item itself may be directed at individuals or groups. A user may wish to access some service and hide all signs of the association. All of these uses are feasible on the internet but are currently tricky to carry out in practice, because of all the tracking mechanisms inherent to operating systems and network protocols. Officials of the NSF and other government agencies may be opposed to any of these uses because of the potential for abuse. Nevertheless, the inherent facelessness of large networks will always guarantee a certain element of anonymity. _____ <3.2> Why is `anonymity' (un)important on the internet? Anonymity is another powerful tool that can be beneficial or problematic depending on its use. Arguably absence of identification is important as the presence of it. It may be the case that many strong benefits from electronic anonymity will be discovered that were unforeseen and unpredicted, because true anonymity has been historically very difficult to establish. One can use anonymity to make personal statements to a colleague that would sabotage a relationship if stated openly (such as employer/employee scenarios). One can use it to pass information and evade any threat of direct retribution. For example, `whistleblowers' reporting on government abuses (economic, social, or political) can bring issues to light without fear of stigma or retaliation. Sensitive, personal, potentially damaging information is often posted to some USENET groups, a risky situation where anonymity allows conversations to be carried on completely independent of the identities of the participants. Some police departments run phone services that allow anonymous reporting of crimes; such uses would be straightforward on the network. Unfortunately, extortion and harassment become more insidious with assurances of anonymity. _____ <3.3> How can anonymity be protected on the internet? The chief means, as alluded to above, are masking identities in email and posting. However, anonymous accounts (public accounts as accessable and anonymous as e.g. public telephones) may be effective as well, but this use is generally not officially supported and even discouraged by some system adminstrators and NSF guidelines. The nonuniformity in the requirements of obtaining accounts at different sites and institutions makes anonymous accounts generally difficult to obtain to the public at large. Many communications protocols are inherently detrimental to anonymity. Virtually every protocol in existence currently contains information on both sender and receiver in every packet. New communications protocols will likely develop that guarantee much higher degrees of secure anonymous communication. _____ <3.4> What is `anonymous mail'? One approach to `anonymizing' mail has been to set up an `anonymous server' that, when activated by email to its address, responds by allocating and supplying an `anonymous ID' that is unique to the person requesting it (based on his email address). This will vary for the same person for different machine address email originations. To send anonymous mail, the user sends email directed to the server containing the final destination. The server `anonymizes' the message by stripping of identification information and forwards the message, which appears to originate from the anonymous server only from the corresponding anonymous user id. This is the `interactive' use of anonymity or pseudonymity mentioned above. Another more `fringe' approach is to run a `cypherpunk' remailer from a regular user account (no root system privileges are required). These are currently being pioneered by Eric Hughes and Hal Finney . The operator runs a process on a machine that anonymizes mail sent to him with certain characteristics that distinguish it from his regular incoming mail (typically fields in the header). One has been implemented as a PERL script running on UNIX. Several of these are in existence currently but sites and software currently are highly unstable; they may be in operation outside of system administrator knowledge. The remailers don't generally support anonymous return addresses. Mail that is incorrectly addressed is received by the operator. Generally the user of the remailer has to disavow any responsibility for the messages forwarded through his system, although actually may be held liable regardless. These approaches have several serious disadvantages and weaknesses: - The anonymous server approach requires maintaining a mapping of anonymous ID's to real addresses that must be maintained indefinitely. One alternative is to allow `deallocation' of aliases at the request of the user, but this has not been implemented yet. - Although an unlikely scenario, traffic to any of these sites could conceivably be monitored from the `outside', necessitating the use of cryptography for basic protection,. - Local administrators can shut them down either out of caprice or under pressure from local, network, or government agencies. - Unscrupulous providers of the services can monitor the traffic that goes through them. - Most remailers currently keep logs that may be inspected. - The cypherpunk approach tends to be highly unstable because these operators are basically network users who do not own the equipment and are accountable to their own system administrators, who may be unaware of the use and unsympathetic to the philosophy of anonymity when the operation is discovered, regarding it as illicit use. - In all cases, a high degree of trust is placed in the anonymous server operator by the user. Currently the most direct route to anonymity involves using SMTP protocols to submit a message directly to a server with arbitrary field information. This practice, not uncommon to hackers, and the approach used by remailers, is generally viewed with hostility by most system administrators. Information in the header routing data and logs of network port connection information may be retained that can be used to track the originating site. In practice, this is generally infeasible and rarely carried out. Some administrators on the network will contact local administrators to request a message be tracked and its writer admonished or punished more severely (such as revoking the account), all of this actually happening occasionally but infrequently. See the sections ``known anonymous mail and posting sites'' and ``responsibilities associated with anonymity''. _____ <3.5> What is `anonymous posting'? Anonymous servers have been established as well for anonymous Usenet posting with all the associated caveats above (monitored traffic, capricious or risky local circumstances, logging). Make sure to test the system at least once by e.g. anonymous posting to misc.test (however some operators don't recommend this because many sites `autorespond' to test messages, possibly causing the anonymous server to allocate anonymous IDs for those machines). See the ``responsibilties associated with anonymous posting'' before proceeding. Another direct route involves using NNTP protocols to submit a message directly to a newserver with arbitrary field information. This practice, not uncommon to hackers, is also generally viewed with hostility by most system administrators, and similar consequences can ensue. See the sections ``known anonymous mail and posting sites'' and ``responsibilities associated with anonymity''. _____ <3.6> Why is anonymity (un)stable on the internet? As noted, many factors compromise the anonymity currently available to the general internet community, and these services should be used with great caution. To summarize, the technology is in its infancy and current approaches are unrefined, unreliable, and not completely trustworthy. No standards have been established and troubling situations of loss of anonymity and bugs in the software are prevalent. Here are some encountered and potential bugs: - One anonymous remailer reallocated already allocated anonymous return addresses. - Others passed signature information embedded in messages unaltered. - Address resolution problems resulting in anonymized mail bounced to a remailer are common. - Forgeries to the anonymous server itself are a problem, possibly allowing unauthorized users to potentially glean anon ID - email address mappings in the alias file. This can be remedied with the use of passwords. - Infinite mail loops are possible with chaining remailers. Source code is being distributed, tested, and refined for these systems, but standards are progressing slowly and weakly. The field is not likely to improve considerably without official endorsement and action by network agencies. The whole idea is essentially still in its infancy and viewed with suspicion and distrust by many on the internet, seen as illegitimate or favorable to criminality. The major objection to anonymity over regular internet use is the perceived lack of accountability to system operators, i.e. invulnerability to account restrictions resulting from outside complaints. System adminstrators at some sites have threatened to filter anonymous news postings generated by the prominent servers from their redistribution flows. This may only have the effect of encouraging server operators to create less characteristically detectable headers. Probably the least problematic approach, and the most traditional to Usenet, is for individual users to deal with anonymous mail however they prefer, e.g. ignoring it or filtering it with kill files. _____ <3.7> What is the future of anonymity on the internet? New anonymous protocols effectively serve to significantly increase safeguards of anonymity. For example, the same mechanism that routes email over multiple hosts, thereby threatening its privacy, can also be used to guarantee it. In a scheme called `chaining' an anonymous message is passed through multiple anonymous servers before reaching a destination. In this way generally multiple links of the chain have to be `broken' for security to be compromised. Re-encryption at each link makes this scenario even more unlikely. Even more significantly the anonymous remailers could be spread over the internet globally so that local weaknesses (such as corrupt governments or legal wiretapping within a nation) would be more unlikely to sacrifice overall security by message tracing. However, remailers run by corrupt operators are possible. The future of anonymous services on the internet is, at this time, highly uncertain and fraught with peril. While specific groups seem to benefit significantly from anonymous posting capabilities, many feel that unlimited newsgroup scope for anonymous posting is a disruptive and dangerous idea and detracts from discussions in `serious' groups. The introduction of unlimited group anonymity may have fundamental repercussions on Usenet conventions and distribution mechanisms such as moderated and `alt' groups have had in the past. For example, as part of new group creation, the charter may specify whether `anonymous' posting is (un)welcome. Nevertheless, the widespread introduction and use of anonymity may be inevitable. Based on traffic statistics, anonymous services are in huge demand. Pervasive and readily available anonymity could carry significant and unforeseen social consequences. However, if its use is continued to be generally regarded as subversive it may be confined to the underground. The ramifications of widespread introduction of anonymity to Usenet are still largely unknown. It is unclear whether it will provoke signficant amounts of new traffic or, instead of expansion, cause a shift where a greater portion of existing traffic is anonymized. Conceivably the services could play a role in influencing future mainstream social acceptance of Usenet. * * *",11 "Hello everybody... Are there any ftp-sites with wav-files available??? Frode Kvam :-) -- _______________________________________________________________________________ _/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/ (C) _______________________________________________________________________________ Name: Frode Kvam Univ: University of Trondheim, dept of informatics E-mail: frode@ifi.unit.no Snail-mail: Lademoens Kirkealle 8 7042 TRONDHEIM Voice: + 47 7 50 45 06 _______________________________________________________________________________",2 " How many of you readers know anything about Jews living in the Arab countries? How many of you know if Jews still live in these countries? How many of you know what the circumstances of Arabic Jews leaving their homelands were? Just curious. ",17 "Replying to A.J. Teel: Well, the two nifty letters giving concrete proof that the Income Tax is voluntary and giving specific procedures for stopping withholding, et cetera have been out there for a while now. Humbug. Those letters don't provide ""concrete proof"" of anything at all in the absence of any case law that demonstrates the method will actu- ally work for ordinary people in everyday situations. Specifically, show us some case law in which the courts have ruled that income tax is illegal and/or that ordinary working types do not have to pay income tax (and that they can legally avoid paying income tax with- out declaring themselves to be churches or some such silliness). This issue is sufficiently important that I think we have a right to expect something squarely on point from the US Supreme Court (in the case of federal tax) or a state's supreme court (for a state's income tax). Unless you can do that, I for one am unwilling to call your material ""concrete proof"". There has been no refutation to date. Have the nay-sayers finally given up as defeated? Sure would like to hear their reasons for disbelief at this point. Refutation?? Refutation of what? You haven't made a case yet. You've posted plenty of claims, but you haven't given us any valid reason to believe that any court in the US will agree with you. Your claims seem on the surface to deviate so radically from the legal mainstream that I feel the burden of proof is still on =you= to show that your arguments have any merit whatsoever. And the cases you've cited involve such strange situations that I see no reason to assume that the rulings are applicable to anyone else, or that they will ultimately stand on appeal to the Supreme Court. Why can't you just cite us a case in which Joe Schmoe, a regular employee earning regular wages from a regular company, refuses to pay his income tax, gets hauled into court, is convicted of wilful tax eva- sion, and then has his conviction overturned by the US Supreme Court with a landmark 7-2 majority ruling that income tax is indeed totally voluntary? What, you say? No such case exists? Hmmm, I wonder why not; why haven't you? Shall I conclude that the point has been received and the opposition has forfeited the field? With all due respect, you can conclude anything you want. I just hope, for your own sake, that you don't conclude that anyone in a position of authority in the United States or any legitimate or illegitimate polit- ical subdivision thereof is going to agree with your conclusions. For that matter, I confess I'm thoroughly confused as to =why= you would be looking for court rulings in your favor anyway -- since I thought you told us earlier that every court in the US has been in cahoots with big banking interests since the 1938 ""admiralty jurisdiction"" coverup thing. Do you honestly expect us to believe that they'd go to all the trouble to subvert the system, and yet would still promptly slink back into their burrows in the face of anyone who knew enough to invoke the right combination of magic spells and mystic mumbo-jumbo? Not only that, but why do you even =care= what the US courts say anyway? Didn't you tell us a while back that you've disavowed all attempts by US officials to classify you as a ""14th Amendment federal citizen""? When the FBI comes to haul you away for tax evasion, why don't you just tell them they're out of their jurisdiction and should go back to Washington, D.C., where they belong? Or maybe we should all just go back to mediaeval common law, which you suggested would be better than all these statutes, codes, and the like. If you want to renounce society's legal framework, fine; we can just declare you an outlaw, OK?, and anyone who sees you driving on the roads with no license plate on your car and no driver's license in your wallet can just take you like a game animal and stew you for their supper (with plenty of veggies and a pinch of salt, but WITHOUT PREJUDICE UCC 1-207). Sorry, everyone, it's getting late, and I'm sick and tired of all this garbage. If I know what's good for me, I'll just clam up and stop try- ing to refute this nonsense, and if anyone falls for it and winds up in jail for tax evasion or what-not, it'll be on their own head. Needless to say, none of the above represents the opinions of my current employer -- who, in any case, is a Canadian and doesn't really need to care too much about US tax law. I, on the other hand, am a ""14th Amend- ment federal citizen"", with a US passport to prove it, and plan to keep on filing Form 1040's for the foreseeable future (though I will probably not owe any US income tax due to the foreign earned income exclusion and/or the foreign tax credit). ",18 "I am looking for Ultima V for the IBM, I would like the entire package (meaning I need more than just the game, I would like the Docs also) Since it is an old game I do not want to pay a lot of money. If you are interested in selling this game please respond to this message. ",6 "The latest Israeli ""proposal"", first proposed in February of 1992, contains the following assumptions concerning the nature of any ""interim status"" refering to the WB and Gaza, the Palestinians, implemented by negotiations. It states that: >Israel will remain the existing source of authority until ""final status"" is agreed upon; >Israel will negiotiate the delegation of power to the organs of the Interim Self-Government Arrangements (ISGA); >The ISGA will apply to the ""Palestinian inhabitants of the territories"" under Israeli military administration. The arrangements will not have a territorial application, nor will they apply to the Israeli population of the territories or to the Palestinian inhabitants of Jerusalem; >Residual powers not delegated under the ISGA will be reserved by Israel; >Israelis will continue to live and settle in the territoriesd; >Israel alone will have responsibility for security in all its aspects- external, internal- and for the maintenance of public order; >The organs of the ISGA will be of an administrative-functional nature; >The exercise of powers under the ISGA will be subject to cooperation and coordination with Israel. >Israel will negotiate delegation of powers and responsibilities in the areas of administration, justice, personnel, agriculture, education, business, tourism, labor and social welfare, local police, local transportation and communications, municipal affairs and religious affairs. Several question do come to mind concerning the ""success"" we all hope for in the ongoing negotiation process. These arrangements certainly seem to be essentially a rejection of any Palestinian ""interim"" self-control. Without exposing itself to unwarranted risks and creating irresversible vulnerability, can Israel reasonably put forward (at later points in the negotiating process) more ""relaxed"" proposals for this""interim"" period? How should proposals (from either side) be altered to temper their ""maximalist"" approaches as stated above? How can Israeli worries ,and desire for some ""interim control"", be addressed while providing for a very *real* interim Palestinian self-governing entity? Tim ",17 " 1992 HONDA ACCORD FOR SALE 35,000 MILES ALL HIGHWAY MILES EXCELLENT CONDITION WHITE EX MODEL ""LOADED"" $15,000 OR BEST OFFER call tom @ (201) 653-0638 h (201) 795-5636 w ",6 "i am sorry, but this genoa card does nothing that the ATI ultra plus 2mb can't do, PLUS the ATI costs 330$US street price .... ",1 "Reasonable doubt dates back to Human Rights. We are now in the time of Civil Rights. Civil Rights are issued by the State with whatever strings attached they choose as the Grantor of said rights. And if that means that verdicts are determined by the needs of the state rather than by guilt or innocence in a traditional sense, so be it. Being subjective rather than objective may make it harder to anticipate what is right, and you may be sacrificed for being wrong inadvertantly once in a while, but that really is a small price to pay for the common good don't you think? ",18 "I've been troubleshooting the existence of way too many General Protection Faults on a 486-33, Eisa-VLB, system. At this point I think I've narrowed the problem down to the video drivers for the Volante Warp-10 adapter by National Design, INc. Yet somehow I find this hard to believe. Does anyone else have any experiences with this board.",3 " I think you meant Quadra 800 ..... (but a Centris 800 probably would be a real nice machine... :) ) But yeah, it needs 80ns not 60ns. Joel ",4 " [Warning: Flammage to follow...] Ah, that British sense of humor. Probably got a real gut-buster going when the IRA blew that kid up a couple of weeks ago, huh? Of course, in Britain, your government has ordered you defenseless, so your way of coping with violent criminals is to laugh at victims. I don't know about a .45. My own preference is for 9mm. Ah, Canada. Where the criminals don't bother with checking to see if the victims are home. They just break on in. America's a little different, you see. Criminals worry a bit more about getting shot, so they more frequently check to see if anyone's home. I've heard Gun World in Phoenix, Arizona, is fantastic! I'm hoping to visit there myself soon. Ah, Britain again. Isn't that the place where you're guilty until proven innocent? Tell me, Mr. ""jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk"" didn't Britain come begging to us ""gun nut morons"" in the early 1940s for guns to defend yourselves against Hitler? Seems as though your supposedly enlightened government had disarmed you: ""Aw chaps, you can jolly give up your guns. If that Hitler man starts to threaten, we can always hit up the Yanks for a few guns. They've got a bloody eccentric habit about those guns, you know. Just hand in your shotgun, that's it. Thank you."" Ain't it just amazing how those black markets work? Damn if those drugs from south america keep coming over our borders, too, even though we've banned them. Guess we might as well legalize them. Makes you want to send fifty bucks to the Libertarian Party just thinking about it, doesn't it? Your close-minded ignorance is without parallel. I guess that's what happens when you're raised as a ""subject"" without rights. Your type gravitates to those who desire to hold power over you. Just chuckle as the cops beat you senseless to get a confession. Just laugh yourself silly when you find that confession is valid in court. ""Hey mate, this is justice, British style."" Drew ",16 "Here's how I talk to non-Christians who are complaining about Hell. ME: ""Do you believe you're going to Heaven?"" HIM: ""I don't believe in Heaven."" ME: ""So are you going there?"" HIM: ""If there was a heaven, I would."" ME: ""But since there isn't a Heaven, you're not going there, are you?"" HIM: ""No."" The point is that Heaven is based on faith--if you don't believe in heaven, there's no way you're going to be in it. Of course, the next step is, ""I don't believe in Hell either, so why will I be there?"" It seems to me that Hell is eternal death and seperation from God. Most atheists do believe that when they die they will die forever, and never see God--so they do, in fact, believe that they're going to Hell. Hell doesn't have to be worse than earth to be Hell--because it's eternal, and it's a lot worse than Heaven. That's the only comparison that matters.",15 " DMorf (Dave's Morph, I think is what it means) and DTax (Dave's TGA Assembler) are available in the MSDOS_UPLOADS directory on the wuarchive. They are arjed and bundled with their respective xmemory versions, dmorfx.exe and dtax.exe, you can also find a version of aaplay.exe there, with which you can view files you create with dta.exe or dtax.exe. I downloaded the whole bunch last week and have been morphing away the afternoons since. The programmes are all a bit buggy and definitely not-ready-to-spread-to-the-masses, but they are very well written. The interface is frustrating at first, but it gets easy once you figure out the tricks. I have noticed that dmorfx will crash horribly if you try to morph without using the splines option. Not sure why, since I don't have the source. I think it was written for TP 6.0. If anyone else comes up with any other hints on getting the thing to work right, tell me; it took me several hours the first time just to figure out that if I just used the durned splines then it would work... ",1 " So what are you? I don't think that, you are just making noise. That's true. I try to learn from people who know more than me, not from useless farts. Of course, I have said that more times in this group than anyone else, I'd think. Quite true, that's why I am so careful in selecting quotes. Oh bullshit. Fanatic my bum. Prove your blah or cork it. How would you know what I consider? Read my mind? I looked very closely at a large number of sources. You have no idea what you are talking about. That's true about the accounts of both Irgun and Arab propagandists. Like Begin, for example. No, I never got that feeling. I got rather opposite feelings about people like you, though. Honesty? Perhaps you would explain the testimony from members of the Irgun, to be found in their own handwriting in the Irgun Archives in Tel Aviv, that the wounded Arabs were killed, that a group of 80 prisoners was massacred, that Lehi proposed exterminating everybody at the pre-raid meeting. Exactly what reasons can you propose that this testimony should be rejected in favour of Begin's? This is very funny. You carried on about unsupported evidence, propagandists, axes to grind, and you end up telling us to stick to the account of the leader of the alleged killers. You are obviously a hopeless case, as everyone can plainly see. ",17 " I understand Caddy is working on one, double battery, super high perf engine, more gauges, a bit 'stretched', etc, lots of communication equipment, the works. Color selection is limited though. The problem is that the guy at 1600 Penn. Avenue is about to get it (Pres. Clinton) (Last time it was a Lincoln, this time a Caddy). Not to my knowledge; I know GM does conversion work for things like hot climates (i.e. the Chevy Caprices sold to the Middle East) but things like that are always done by third parties, NOT the manufacturer. Maybe you will need to buy a specific package that has beefed-up everything, perhaps the police cruiser package on the Caprice/Crown Vic and start from there. ""And I wuz drivin' along in my armored Seville STS and this punk pulls out of nowhere with an RPG (Rocket Propelled Grenade) but the bulletproof windshield stopped him"" :-) Don't think many people on the net have a need for bulletproof cars. Check with local armored service companies/security/bodyguard places. They'd know best. I think your average luxury car dealer will have a coronary if you told them ""I'll take the blue Caprice, with options FZ01 (Fuzzy Dice), PR11 (power everything), and AR007 (Armor). I believe an article on the conversion process appeared in the car press within the last few months. Spiros",7 " There is a certain truth to this statement. Only I would use the word ""medicine"" instead of drug. With regard to the condition of the human soul, Christianity is first and foremost a healing medicine. It also strengthens and enables one, as healing takes hold, to grow in new strength and health to live and be and to do that for which God created us. Christ's medicine, rightly allowed to work, brings one nearer to reality and offers the clarity of understanding and the strength of spirit with which to meet it in a healthy human way. (small spelling correction added)",15 "I am interfacing some simple circuits that run on 9V to my cpu board which runs at 5-6V. The optoisolator is a 4N35. On the led side, I put the signal I want through a 10k resistor to the base of a 2N2222. On the transistor side, I tie my cpu input line to the collector which has a pull-up resistor of 47k. It functions OK, but seems VERY slow. I can detect pulses that occur at about 2kHz, but not much faster. Isn't the rise/fall time of this device, something like 5uS? I should be able to detect my target of 40kHz, but I can't get 16kHz. This is done using wire-wrap and the wires going to the cpu and to the test pin are about 8 inches long, but I'm not doing anything high-speed. In the Art of Electronics, it mentions tying the base of the phototransistor to ground through a resistor to improve the speed. Is that what I need to do? How do I calculate the resistor value? -- ",12 "I'm about to buy a new car and finance some of it. Since I paid cash for the last car I bought I did not have to worry about whether or not I had a good amount of insurance on it because of a bank loan. I just put the amount that I wanted (not what a bank would have wanted). Friends are telling me that banks require some kind of insurance on the car to protect it since it is collateral on loans. Is this true? Can that insurance be gotten as part of my other insurance? I assume I don't have to pay a dealer for extra insurance over my regular car insurance. Am I correct? I hear about accident/health type insurance at the dealers and I am pretty sure these are just money makers for them. I just want to verify that I don't _have_ to buy these at all. Or any other types of extras. What do I have to pay for? Car, tax, license. Anything else?",7 "I have a Colorado Memory Systems Jumbo 250 tape backup unit in my Gateway 486/33V Tower system. I have found the supplied backup capability to be fairly unreliable. In approx 3 cases out of 10, I have had the backup fail at one point or another, often hanging in the middle of writing the tape. Seek errors, drive communication errors seem to be most common. I use the DOS backup software from Colorado Memory Systems. Should I return the drive, get some better backup software, reformat the tapes (am using CMS tapes)? Any hints would be appreciated - this stuff is to time-consuming to do over and over again until it cooperates...",3 " So, how did you guys *learn* this? Is it something you were born with, or did you make horrible grinding noises the first few times? (how many times?) I would think you'd have to have a certain amount of ""feel"" for it to begin with. Some people would never get it, and others (like me) would never have the guts to try it, unless maybe you were planning to buy a new transmission anyway... (BTW, I've heard that quite a few truckers and race car drivers shift this way).",7 " Let's start over. I'm not arguing about who is the better goaltender. I'd take Soderstrom right now. What I am saying is that Roussel can be a #1 netminder. The GAA difference is less than half a goal per game (less than that after last night), their save percentages are close, and their records are similar. And with that, I just don't see how you can label Roussel as the most disappointing player on the Flyers this season. You say Soderstrom played against better competition. That may very well be, but there is no way of knowing how Roussel would have performed in those games. Besides, against the better scoring teams like Pittsburgh, the defense is more keyed up than they are against San Jose. But I'm not just judging Roussel on that game alone. I've seen him play for the past two seasons in Philly and before that in Hershey. It's just my opinion, but I think he's got what it takes. Of course, I thought that about Mark LaForest, too. But I never did about Wendell Young. So I'm batting .500 in judging Hershey talent since the Hextall-era. As for the Rangers game, you can say he was saved by a mistake by the offensive player if you like. But Rou had his leg in position to make the save. If he didn't, it wouldn't have mattered if the Rangers player didn't get the puck up or not. It would have been a goal. On a breakaway that's what the goalie wants to do, take away as much as possible and force the shooter to beat him. I seem to remember Roussel doing an excellent job against Pittsurgh on opening night to give the Flyers a tie against the two-time defending champs. And not to take anything away from Soderstrom because he was senational in that game agains the Habs. But you can't tell me that a Montreal player had an open net to shoot at some point during that game and just flat out missed it. Mistakes, both on offense and defense are part of the game. Or there'd never be shutouts. Anyway, I'm happy the Flyers have both Soderstrom and Roussel and I'm not going to argue about it anymore. Besides, with the current 7-game winning streak and expectations soaring for next year, I don't want to piss you off to the point that you don't sell me any tickets next season:-).",10 "Today marks the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds in Eastern Anatolia and x-Soviet Armenia. The following letter, which represents a small portion of the full text, along with more than 200 pages of historical documents, scholarly sources, eyewitness accounts and photographs, was sent to President Bill Clinton, members of Congress, editors, program directors and columnists of major newspapers, journals and radio/TV stations for the 78th anniversary of the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people. On April 23 of every year, the people of Turkiye remember their dead. They grieve for lost family and the lost homes of their grandfathers. This year the Turkish Nation is mourning and praying again for her fallen heroes who gave their lives generously and with altruism, so that the future generations may live on that anointed soil of the Turkish land happily and prosperously. ------------------------- letter ---------------------------------- During the years of World War I, the x-Soviet Armenian Government has planned and perpetrated the 'Genocide' of the Muslim people, which not only took the lives of 2.5 million Muslim people, but was also the method used to empty the Turkish homeland of its inhabitants. To this day, Turkish historic lands remain occupied by the x-Soviet Armenia. In order to cover up the fact of its usurpation of the historic Turkish homeland, which is the crux of Turkish political demands, fascist x-Soviet Armenia continues its anti-Turkish policy in the following ways: 1. x-Soviet Armenia denies the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide in order to shift international public opinion away from its political responsibility. 2. x-Soviet Armenia, employing ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle, attempts to call into question the veracity of the Turkish Genocide. 3. x-Soviet Armenia has also implemented state-sponsored terrorism through the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle in an attempt to silence the Turkish people's vehement demands and protests. 4. Using all its human, financial, and governmental resources, x-Soviet Armenia and its tools in the United States attempt to silence through terrorism, bribery and other subversive methods, non-Turkish supporters of the Turkish cause, be they political, governmental and humanitarian. Using all the aforementioned methods, the x-Soviet Armenian Government is attempting to neutralize the international diplomatic community from making the Turkish Case a contemporary issue. Yet despite the efforts of the x-Soviet Armenian Government and its terrorist and revisionist organizations, in the last decades, thanks to the struggle of those whose closest ones have been systematically exterminated by the Armenians, the international wall of silence on this issue has begun to collapse, and consequently a number of governments and organizations have become supportive of the recognition of the Turkish Genocide. With the full knowledge that the struggle for the Turkish territorial demands are still in their initial stages, the Turkish and Kurdish people will unflaggingly continue in this sacred struggle, therefore the victims of the Turkish Genocide demand: 1. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government, as the heirs of the Armenian Dictatorship, recognize the Turkish Genocide; 2. that x-Soviet Armenia return the historic homeland to the Turkish and Kurdish people; 3. that the x-Soviet Armenian Government make material reparations for their heinous and unspeakable crime to the victims of the Turkish Genocide; 4. that all world governments, and especially the United States, officially recognize the Turkish Genocide and Turkish territorial rights and refuse to succumb to all Armenian political pressure; 5. that the U.S. Government free itself from the friendly position it has adopted towards its unreliable ally, x-Soviet Armenia, and officially recognize the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide as well as be supportive of the pursuit of Turkish territorial demands; 6. that the x-Soviet Republics officially recognize the historical fact of the Turkish Genocide and include the cold-blooded extermination of 2.5 million Muslim people in their history books. The awareness of the Turkish people of the necessity of solidarity in the efforts to pursue the Turkish Cause is seen by the victims of the first genocide of the 20th century as a positive step. Furthermore, a new generation has risen - equipped with a deep sense of commitment, politically mature and conscious, who determinedly pursue the Turkish Cause, through all necessary means, ranging from the political and diplomatic to the armed struggle. Therefore, the victims of the Turkish Genocide call upon all Muslims in the United States and Canada to participate vigorously in the political, cultural and religious activities of the 78th Anniversary of the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people. Serdar Argic",17 "ri I do agree with you, in a way. The war on drugs has failed, but in my opinion, that doesn't mean we have to give up. Only change the tactics. For instance, here are how some penalties should be changed. Dealing Coke -- Death Dealing Heroin -- Death Dealing Pot -- Death Dealing Crack -- Death The list goes on and on!!!...... JUST KIDDING!!! However, on a more serious note, I do believe that we should take some money away from the foriegn operations in South America and costly border interdiction efforts. (Don't think I'm going to say, ""spend it to educate people"", because I know plenty of educated dopers). Actually, spend it on things like drug treatment programs. I saw an interesting story on 60 minutes about how the British actually prescribe and addict his ""recommended"" dosage, and try to ween him off from it, or cut the amount down to levels where it is ""acceptable"". Sounds good so far from what I heard with a decrease in cost, lower addiction rates by wiping out the dealer's markets, etc. (But that was the only thing I have heard about it.) However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal meth and LSD. The 60 Minute Report said it worked with ""cocaine"" cigarettes, pot and heroin.",18 " Check out the May issue of MacWorld; the new servers are on the cover. Should be at your favorite newstand.",4 "According to a LoJack representative I saw recently, LoJack must be installed by an authorized LoJack dealer, and is placed in one of (roughly) 30 spots in the car... ",7 " The ""so sacred it's secret"" explanation is a bit misleading. While there is a profound reverence for the temple endowment, there is no injunction against discussing the ceremony itself in public. But since public discussion is often irreverent, most Mormons would rather keep silent than have a cherished practice maligned. But there are certain elements of the ceremony which participants explicitly covenant not to reveal except in conjunction with the ceremony itself. There are other interpretations to Christian history in this matter. One must recall that most of what we know about the Gnostics was written by their enemies. Eusebius claims that Jesus imparted secret information to Peter, James, and John after His resurrection, and that those apostles transmitted that information to the rest of the Twelve (Eusebius, _Historia Ecclesiastica_ II 1:3-4). Irenaeus claims this information was passed on to the priests and bishops (_Against Heresies_ IV 33:8), but Eusebius disagrees. He claims the secret ceremonies of the Christian church perished with the apostles. Interestingly enough, Eusebius refers to the groups which we today call Gnostics as promulgators of a false gnosis (Eusebius, op. cit., III, 32:7-8). His gripe was not that thay professed *a* gnosis, but that they had the *wrong* one. Writings dealing with Jesus' post-resurrection teachings emphasize secrecy -- not so much a concealment as a policy of not teaching certain things indiscriminately. In one story, Simon Magus opens a dialog with Peter on the nature of God. Peter's response is ""You seem to me not to know what a father and a God is: But I could tell you both whence souls are, and when and how they were made; but it is not permitted to me now to disclose these things to you"" (_Clementine Recognitions_ II, 60). If any one theme underlies the _Recognitions_ it is the idea that certain doctrines are not to be idly taught, but can be had after a certain level of spiritual maturity is reached. Now one can approach this and other such evidence in many ways. I don't intend that everyone interpret Christian history as I do, but I believe that evidence exists (favorably interpreted, of course) of early Christian rites analogous to those practiced by Mormons today. But if Judaism and Christianity had such ceremonies, would you expect to read about them in public documents? One can search the Book of Mormon and other Mormon scripture and find almost no information on temple worship. Yes, you could establish that Mormons worship in temples, but you would probably be hard pressed to characterize that worship. On that basis, can we conclude that the Bible explains *all* practices which might have taken place, and that absence of such descriptions proves they did not exist? Mormon scholar Dr. Hugh Nibley offers us a list of scriptures from which I have taken a few: 1. ""It is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given"" (Matt. 13:11). 2. ""All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given"" (Matt. 19:11). 3. ""I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now"" (John 16:12). 4. ""The time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father"" (John 16:25). 5. ""... unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter"" (1 Cor. 3:1-2). 6. ""Many things ... I would not write with paper and ink; but I ... come unto you and speak face to face"" (2 Jn. 1:12). (Nibley, _Since Cumorah_, pp. 92-94) Again, these can also be interpreted many different ways. I believe they serve to show that not all doctrines which could have been taught were actually taught openly. Historically, Joseph Smith had been adiministering the temple endowment ceremony for nearly a year before joining the Freemasons. There is diary evidence which supports a claim that the rite did not change after Smith became a Mason. It can be argued that Smith had ample exposure to Masonic proceedings through the burlesque of his time and through his brother Hyrum (a Mason), though no specific connection has yet been established. My conversations with Masons (with respect to temple rite transcriptions which have appeared on the net) have led me to believe that the connection from Masonry to Mormonism is fairly tenuous. As our moderator notes, most of what was similar was removed in the recent revisions to the temple ceremony. I believe that critics who charge that Mormon rites were lifted from Freemasonry do not have adequate knowledge of the rites in question. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jay Windley * University of Utah * Salt Lake City jwindley@asylum.cs.utah.edu",15 " Just curious, Roger, but since you have such a vast knowledge of the game and the league, how come you haven't made a living out of it? There must be a lot of demand for expertise in the field. I'm sure you'd be of great help to, say, the Leafs as an assistant coach or a scout. Or maybe try a career as a reporter or tv commentator... I might be wrong, of course, and you already have.",10 " {Description of ""External Tank"" option for SSF redesign deleted} Yo Ken, let's keep on-top of things! Both the ""External Tank"" and ""Wingless Orbiter"" options have been deleted from the SSF redesign options list. Today's (4/23) edition of the New York Times reports that O'Connor told the panel that some redesign proposals have been dropped, such as using the ""giant external fuel tanks used in launching space shuttles,"" and building a ""station around an existing space shuttle with its wings and tail removed."" Currently, there are three options being considered, as presented to the advisory panel meeting yesterday (and as reported in today's Times). Option ""A"" - Low Cost Modular Approach This option is being studied by a team from MSFC. {As an aside, there are SSF redesign teams at MSFC, JSC, and LaRC supporting the SRT (Station Redesign Team) in Crystal City. Both LeRC and Reston folks are also on-site at these locations, helping the respective teams with their redesign activities.} Key features of this option are: - Uses ""Bus-1"", a modular bus developed by Lockheed that's qualified for STS and ELV's. The bus provides propulsion, GN&C Communications, & Data Management. Lockheed developed this for the Air Force. - A ""Power Station Capability"" is obtained in 3 Shuttle Flights. SSF Solar arrays are used to provide 20 kW of power. The vehicle flies in an ""arrow mode"" to optimize the microgravity environment. Shuttle/Spacelab missions would utilize the vehilce as a power source for 30 day missions. - Human tended capability (as opposed to the old SSF sexist term of man-tended capability) is achieved by the addition of the US Common module. This is a modified version of the existing SSF Lab module (docking ports are added for the International Partners' labs, taking the place of the nodes on SSF). The Shuttle can be docked to the station for 60 day missions. The Orbiter would provide crew habitability & EVA capability. - International Human Tended. Add the NASDA & ESA modules, and add another 20 kW of power - Permanent Human Presence Capability. Add a 3rd power module, the U.S. habitation module, and an ACRV (Assured Crew Return Vehicle). Option ""B"" - Space Station Freedom Derived The Option ""B"" team is based at LaRC, and is lead by Mike Griffin. This option looks alot like the existing SSF design, which we have all come to know and love :) This option assumes a lightweight external tank is available for use on all SSF assembly flights (so does option ""A""). Also, the number of flights is computed for a 51.6 inclination orbit, for both options ""A"" and ""B"". The build-up occurs in six phases: - Initial Research Capability reached after 3 flights. Power is transferred from the vehicle to the Orbiter/Spacelab, when it visits. - Man-Tended Capability (Griffin has not yet adopted non-sexist language) is achieved after 8 flights. The U.S. Lab is deployed, and 1 solar power module provides 20 kW of power. - Permanent Human Presence Capability occurs after 10 flights, by keeping one Orbiter on-orbit to use as an ACRV (so sometimes there would be two Orbiters on-orbit - the ACRV, and the second one that comes up for Logistics & Re-supply). - A ""Two Fault Tolerance Capability"" is achieved after 14 flights, with the addition of a 2nd power module, another thermal control system radiator, and more propulsion modules. - After 20 flights, the Internationals are on-board. More power, the Habitation module, and an ACRV are added to finish the assembly in 24 flights. Most of the systems currently on SSF are used as-is in this option, with the exception of the data management system, which has major changes.",14 "ACLU Official Policies. Policy 18, for example, opposes rating systems for motion pictures: ""Industry sponsored ratings systems create the potential for constraining the creative process and thus contracting the marketplace of ideas. Despite the stated goal of providing guidance to parents, experience has shown that ratings inevitably have serious chilling effects on freedom of expression."" In regards to the Pledge of Allegiance, the ACLU states in its Policy 84: ""The insertion of the words `under God' into the Pledge of Allegiance is a violation of the constitutional principle of separation of Church and State."" Policy 120 states that, ""Military conscription under any circumstances is a violation of civil liberties and constitutional guarantees."" The ACLU objects to the draft even during wartime because of the ""anti-democratic power it gives government to wage war without support of the people."" Policy 125 states, ""The ACLU calls for a broad-based inquiry into war crimes within the widest possible definition of war crimes against humanity, and crimes against the peace, focusing upon the actions of the United States military and other combatants against the people of South Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, and North Vietnam."" Policy 133 states, ""The ACLU recognizes that US government reliance upon nuclear weaponry as a dominant element of foreign and domestic policy, while propounded as a defense of democracy, is in fact a great threat to civil liberties. Four decades of adherence to this policy has fundamentally altered the nature of our constitutional democratic process and poses a paramount threat to our civil liberties."" Policy 217 objects to roadblocks ""where drivers are stopped for sobriety tests"" because they ""violate Fourth Amendment principles."" Policy 242 states the following on criminal sentencing: ""The most appropriate correctional approach is reintegrating the offender into the community, and the goals of reintegration are furthered much more readily by working with the offender within the community than by incarceration. Probation should be authorized by the legislature in every case; exceptions to the principle are not favored, and any exceptions, if made, should be limited to the most serious of offenses, such as murder or treason."" Bill Vojak vojak@icebucket.stortek.com NRA, ILA, Colorado Firearms Coalition ------------------------------------------------------------ The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!) The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!)",16 " -- and -- Good grief; has no one ever heard of Biostatistics?? The University of Washington (plus 3 or 4 others [Harvard, UNC]) has a department and advanced degree program in Biostatistics. My wife has an MS Biostat, and there are plenty of MDs, PhDs, and postdocs doing Biostatistical work. People do this for a living. Really bright people study for decades to do this sort of study well. Anecedotal evidence is worthless. Even doctors who have been using a drug or treatment for years, and who swear it is effective, are often suprised at the results of clinical trials. Whether or not MSG causes describable, reportable, documentable symptoms should be pretty simple to discover. The last study on which my wife worked employed 200 nurses, 100 doctors, and a dozen Ph.Ds at one University and at 70 hospitals in five nations. I would think the MSG question could be settled by one lowly Biostat MS student in a thesis.",13 "Picture if you will, the Habs going into the last couple minutes of the game, leading 2-0. The Nords get a power play, pull Hextall, and get a goal. Bout a minute later, they get another one. Then they win in overtime...... A bad dream?....... How's that Red Hot Chili Peppers song go... ""Give it away,give it away, give it away now...."" Oh well. Suppose I can always watch the Leafs win tomorrow night.... (smilies.....) Am I the only female hockey fan in the world?",10 "Why use a ground launch pad. It is entirely posible to launch from altitude. This was what the Shuttle was originally intended to do! It might be seriously cheaper. Also, what about bio-engineered CO2 absorbing plants instead of many LOX bottles? Stick 'em in a lunar cave and put an airlock on the door. ",14 " I agree. So why is Cylink the only (and expensive) game in town? Note: I think Cylink is great, and if my boss would double my salary, I'd buy a bunch of their stuff :). One thing that Clipper offers is interoperability, at a higher degree of security than we currently have in non-proprietary voice encryption systems. This means it will be cheaper than anyone's proprietary scheme, and easier to deploy. This is, of course, either a bug or a feature depending on how you look at it :). Great! Where can I buy it? Another note: If ""Clipper"" increases the incentive to bring stronger encryption to the mass market, all the better. It's far overpriced at the moment. I don't care where we *need* to get it from, I care where we *can* get it from, and whether it will interoperate with everyone else. You can build them right now as long as you don't want to export (a restriction I firmly oppose). The only thing stopping people from making cheap encryption is greed: they want a lock on the market. Oh, come on. Only if you trust it farther than it deserves. A Clipper phone *IS NOT* a substitute for a Cylink phone, or a STU-III. It's a substitute for the ""voice scramblers"" advertised in the back of Radio Electronics. I disagree. Modulo ITAR, it's not the government that has sabotaged the market. Can you tell me where exactly we have given up that right? ",11 " Actually, an apostle is someone who is sent. If you will, mailmen could be called apostles in that sense. However, with Jesus, they were designated and were given power. Remember that there were many thousands of people who witnessed what Jesus did. That didn't make them apostles, though.",15 " Stuff deleted I have to confess that this is one of my few unfulfilled ambitions. No matter how much I eat, it still seems realistic.",13 " From THE TUFTS UNIVERSITY GUIDE TO TOTAL NUTRITION: Stanley Gershoff, Ph.D., Dean of Tufts University School of Nutrition; HarperPerennial, 1991 (ISBN #0-06-272007-4): ""The greatest hazard of barbecuing is that the cook will not use enough caution and get burned. Some people suggest that the barbecuing itself is dangerous, because the smoke, which is absorbed by the meat, contains benzopyrene, which, in its pure form, has been known to cause cancer in laboratory animals. However, in order to experience the same results, people would have to consume unrealistically large quantities of barbecued meat at a time."" ",13 "I participated in a promotion by a company called Visual Images. I attempted to cancel my order before the package arrived. I was not able to stop them and now I have a package which I do not need. Nishika 3D camera, wide angle flesh, film, carring case, instruction tapes, and some jewelrys. 3 vacation vouchers to Bahama, Cancun, Las Vegas, Orlando. I paid $697 for the promotion package, and the vacation vouchers came as gift. I really want to sell them, so make me an offer for the whole package. If you are participating in a award, $697 is how much you would end up paying. And I strongly believe that you would get the same award as I do. If you are interested in those items, you could get them from me for a cheaper price. Let me know, and make me an offer. No flames please, I have got enough. You could reach me at koutd@hirama.hiram.edu",6 " Hi Noel, I've made some attempts to write a converter that reads Adobe Type 1 fonts, triangulates them, bevelizes them and extrudes them to result in a generic 3d object which could be used with PoV f.i. The problem I'm currently stuck on is that theres no algorithm which triangulates any arbitrary polygonal shape. Delaunay seems to be limited to convex hulls. Constrained delaunay may be okay, but I have no code example of how to do it. Another way to do the bartman may be - TGA2POV - A selfmade variation of this, using heightfields. Create a b/w picture (BIG) of the text you need, f.i. using a PostScript previewer. Then, use this as a heightfield. If it is white on black, the heightfield is exactly the images white parts (it's still open on the backside). To close it, mirror it and compound it with the original. Example: object { union { height_field { gif ""abp2.gif"" } height_field { gif ""abp2.gif"" scale <1 -1 1>} } texture { Glass } translate <-0.5 0 -0.5> //center rotate <-90 0 0> // rotate upwards scale <10 5 100> // scale bigger and thicker translate <0 2 0> // final placement } abp2.gif is a GIF of arbitrary size containing ""ABP"" black on white in Times-Roman 256 points. ",1 " Lloyd Pettit. Yes, it is true that he refused to buy a franchise from the NHL for $50M; but at the time the reason was that the established market for teams was much less than that. He felt that no one would pay $50M for an expansion team, and that he would simply wait to buy an existing franchise for less than that. But the market fooled him, and 5 teams have been created for $50M apiece in the last three years, and even the existing teams can't be moved for less than $50M and I doubt that he could get one for that little. Pettit gambled and lost. Now he'll have to pay more.",10 "I am involve in a Distant Learning project and am in need of Jpeg and Mpeg encode/decode source and object code. This is a NOT-FOR PROFIT project that once completed I hope to release to other educational and institutional learning centers. This project requires that TRUE photographic images be sent over plain telephone lines. In addition if there is a REAL Good GUI lib with 3D objects and all types of menu classes that can be use at both end of the transaction (Server and Terminal End) I would like to hear about it. We recently posted an RFD announcing the OTG (Open Telematic Group) that will concern itself with the developement of such application and that it would incorporate NAPLPS, JPEG, MPEG, Voice, IVR, FAX Sprites, Animation(fli, flc, etc...). At present only DOS and UNIX environment is being worked on and it our hope that we can generate enough interest where all the major platform can be accomodated via a plaform independent API/TOOLKIT/SDK We are of the mind that it is about time that such project and group be form to deal with these issues. We want to setup a repository where these files may be access such as Simte20 and start putting together a OTG FAQ. If you have some or any information that in your opinion would be of interest to the OTG community and you like to see included in our first FAQ please send it email to the address below. Thanks in Advance Ed P.O. box 95901 Atlanta Ga. 30347-0901 (404)985-1198 zyxel 14.4 epimntl@world.std.com ed.pimentel@gisatl.fidonet.org ",1 " You obviously don't understand how TV scheduling works. ESPN had prior contracts to baseball to show Monday night games and had contracted all the other bs shows well in advance. The NHL TV deal was very late in the scheduling process (you normally have to do this one-plus year out. The NHL package was finished two weeks before the season started). ESPN has shown tremendous commitment to the NHL by squeezing in extra telecasts when it could (like the last Minnesota game) and putting Stanley Cup games as backup to their baseball telecasts (which by favorable circumstances they could pull off last night). But the bottom line is that ESPN cannot break contracts at will. They must honor the previous deals they made. $$$$ _does_ have something to do with it, especially if you risk a $$$$$$$$ lawsuit for breach of contract with baseball. So relax. I'm happy. (I don't get SportsChannel anyway).",10 " Pocklington just wanted to wake up the powers that be holding political office, in Northlands, and in the business community that the Oilers with their current lease arrangement are in a state where on a yearly basis they will likely have an operating loss based on ""normal"" hockey revenues and expenses. That he did this was a good thing...it is better he complain early, and make the city aware of a potential looming crisis before he begins to lose millions and millions of dollars...which would truly jeopardize the franchise. Pocklington's first option is not to sell or to move, but to sell a minority share of the team (to realize some of the appreciated value of the team) and to get a better arena deal, either in Northlands, or via a new building. Pocklington probably isn't going to get exactly what he wants...but ultimately he will probably get enough, or will sell to someone who will probably get enough. There are a lot of risks in moving a team also... ...one has to remember ""Peter Puck's principle""...it is better to spend other people's money than one's own if at all possible.",10 "I have a vt200 and vt100 compatible terminal with 1200 external hyess modem amber screens 101 keyboard,cable make an offer 0 ",6 "Hello, I am having a small problem with my sound blaster pro and a game. Is there a utility out there that would tell me what DMA's my system is using? ",3 " MLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba. They just have to defect first. Sort of like the situation used to be with Russian/Czech/etc hockey players, until the political situation in those countries changed.",10 "It was announced on NPR 4/17/93 10:00 am EDT, that Turkish President Ozal died of a heart attack in Ankara. ",17 "I've heard it said that the accounts we have of Christs life and ministry in the Gospels were actually written many years after the event. (About 40 years or so). Is this correct?? If so, why the big time delay?? I know all scripture is inspired of God, so the time of writing is I suppose un-important, but I still can't help be curious! --------------------------------------------------- Ivan Thomas Barr Contact me at u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk [The Gospels aren't dated, so we can only guess. Luke's prolog is about the only thing we have from the author describing his process. The prolog sounds like Luke is from the next generation, and had to do some investigating. There are traditions passed down verbally that say a few things about the composition of the Gospels. There are debates about how reliable these traditions are. They certainly don't have the status of Scripture, yet scholars tend to take some of them seriously. One suggests that Mark was based on Peter's sermons, and was written to preserve them when Peter had died or way about to die. One tradition about Matthew suggests that a collection of Jesus words may have been made earlier than the current Gospels. In the ancient world, it was much more common to rely on verbal transmission of information. I think many people would have preferred to hear about Jesus directly from someone who had known him, and maybe even from someone who studied directly under such a person, rather than from a book. Thus I suspect that the Gospels are largely from a period when these people were beginning to die. Scholars generally do think there was some written material earlier, which was probably used as sources for the existing Gospels. Establishing the dates is a complex and technical business. I have to confess that I'm not sure how much reliance I'd put on the methods used. But it's common to think that Mark was written first, around 64 AD., and that all of the Gospels were written by the end of the Century. A few people vary this by a decade or so one way or the other.",15 " This doesn't sound right to me. Don't Quadras use the 53C96? If so, the Mac has nothing to do with the SCSI timing. That's all handled by the chip. About the only the timing could be wrong is if Apple programs the clock registers wrong on the 96. That, however, should only really hurt synchronous transfer, which is not used by the Mac SCSI Manager. Furthermore, disabling blind writes should be meaningless on a Quadra. On Macs that used the 5380, which is a much lower level SCSI chip, the Mac was responsible for the handshake of each byte transferred. Blind mode affected how the Mac handled that handshake. On the 5396, the handshake is entirely handled by the chip.",4 " Someone tell me there's a :-) hidden here somewhere... ??? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder",9 "I was wondering if anyone out there has had the same problem I am having with my Gateway 2000 486-33DX VL-Bus system with ATI Graphics Ultra Pro LB. When I have my computer in any resolution other than 800x600, everything is fine, but whenever I use it in 800x600 (Windows, AutoCAD, GIFs) the screen gets about 1 1/2 inches shorter. At the very top and very bottom of the screen there is about a 3/4"" bar of black. The screen isn't cut off, it just squeezes everything into the smaller space and messes up the aspect ratio. While I can manually change the V-Size on the back, this is a pain in the ass, and it just shouldn't happen anyway. I've called Gateway numerous times and they haven't been able to help me at all. Two different times they sent me a new card, and both times the new card didn't work at all in my computer. They even tried to bill me for the first card because they didn't get it back in a couple of days, when they TOLD me over the phone that they would wait more than 2 weeks before billing my card. But their customer support is a different story... So, if anyone has had this same problem, please let me know if you know what to do. Hell, let me know if you don't have a solution, just so I know I'm not the only one with this problem. Thanks in advance. Jude M. Greer jmgree01@starbase.spd.louisville.edu",3 "Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish baseball players, past and present. We weren't able to come up with much, except for Sandy Koufax, (somebody) Stankowitz, and maybe John Lowenstein. Can anyone come up with any more. I know it sounds pretty lame to be racking our brains over this, but humor us. Thanks for your help.",9 "(posted for a friend) hello there, I would like to know if any one had any experience with having on-board decoupling capacitors (inside a cmos chip) for the power lines. Say I have a lot of space left im my pad limited design. any data on the effect of oxide breakdown? any info or pointers are appreciated.",12 "they are pretty much junk, stay away from them. they will be replaced next year with all new models. ",7 ,2 "Can anybody tell me if they know where I can obtain the source code for a polygon filling algorithm, or any other graphics orientated mailing lists that may be able to help me. Thanks, Paul. -- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------",5 " Come to Louisiana where it is LEGAL to carry concealed weapons on a bike! ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----",8 "%>I dunno, Lemieux? Hmmm...sounds like he %>has *French* blood in him!!! Hey! France is part of Europe! Send that %>Euro-blooded boy back!!! % % Don't you Americans study history...the French settled in North America % as early or before the British...Lemieux can probably trace back his % North American heritage back a lot further than most of us. Don't you Canadians understand sarcasm? Sometimes the reader must decide that what he's reading is so ludicrous that it must mean the opposite of what it said... Kinda like the ""Toronto's going to win the Cup"" posts. Yeah. Right. And cows can fly... Geez, Gerald. Like anyone reading rec.flamefest.hockey.pens.are.great didn't know that Le-Mow was from Quebec.",10 """Bare"" = case, a power supply, and a motherboard (with RAM and a coprocessor). Everything else is yours to add as you like. The motherboard: - US-made Micronics 8-slot motherboard with Intel 386dx/25mhz CPU - 64kb SRAM cache - 4mb 80us RAM using 4x1mb simms (worth $120 alone) - Cyrix 83D87 math coprocessor (worth $90 alone) - Norton SI 6.0 rating of 26.1 - Latest version Phoenix BIOS The case/power supply: - Standard desktop case. 230watt power supply with the usual connectors. - Room for five floppy/hard drives (three visible, two internal). *New* Micronics CPUs often command a several-hundred dollar premium over clone motherboards because they are US-made, use high-quality components, and are known to be both very reliable and compatible. They have been OEMed in systems sold by both Gateway and Zeos at various points in the past. (Check out the ads in the back pages of Byte or PC Magazine if you want to see this price differential for yourself.) Price: $450 complete, $100 less if you don't want/need the case and power supply. The board is fully guaranteed. Email for further details or for any questions. Thanks!",6 " Good statement! Should we apply empirical measurements to define exact social morals? Should morals be based on social rules? On ancient religious doctrines? It seems there will *NEVER* be a common and single denominator for defining morals, and as such defining absolute and objective morals is doomed to fail as long as humans have this incredible talent of creative thinking. Cheers, Kent",0 " Yow - get some sleep Brad! You mean that people (i.e. life-is-cheap terrorists & drug-dealing warlords) who want to communicate in privacy will prefer to break into my house, kill or kidnap me, and steal my telephone, rather than: - Spending $15 at K-mart to buy a new phone. - Purchasing a load of phones from the black market / flea market / super market. - Talking (*gasp*) face-to-face. - Walking down to any one of millions of pay phones. - Using messengers. - Going to excruciating effort to think of code phrases like ""I had a blowout on the freeway today"". Look, this system does nothing to threaten folks who _know_ they're being wiretapped, since it's trivial to find other avenues of communication; they'd have no reason to resort to extreme measures, since a plethora of simple alternatives are easily available to them. Among all the legitimate reasons to damn the proposed system, I don't think we need to worry about terrorist commie drug warlord assasin thugs murdering our families, kicking the dog and leaving the toilet seat up just to steal a $15 telephone. The system is more like urine testing: it catches some small number of very stupid people, has no effect on the ""bad guys"" with at least three neurons working in unison who wish to subvert it, and penalizes most heavily those who have no cause to be subject to it.",11 "Can anyone out there tell me how to get the total number of color cells allocated in the default colormap? e.g. colormap = DefaultColormap(mydisplay, myscreen); The MAXIMUM number of allocated cells is given by DefaultCells(mydisplay, myscreen), but in general the number of cells actually allocated will be much less than this, depending on the color requirements of the windows currently in place. I'd like a way to determine this number. Thanks in advance! Derek -----------------------------------------------------------",5 " >What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't seem to >realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you. You don't make me angry, you >just make me chuckle - I remeber being in Bellingham, Washington and seeing a >... You consider laughing at others civilized behavior? What was I supposed to learn from your article? Treat people like dogs?",16 "Several recent posts have identified the English word 'Easter' with the Babylonian goddess 'Ishtar'. 'Easter' is a pagan word all right, but it has nothing to do with Ishtar. If 'Easter' and 'Ishtar' were related, their history would show it. But in Old English, Easter was 'Eostre', cognate with English 'East' and German 'Ost'. The reconstructed Proto-Germanic form is 'Austron'. Not until after 1400 did 'Easter' have a high front vowel like 'Ishtar'. Clearly, the two words have quite separate origins. There may be neo-pagans who worship Ishtar at Easter, but if so, they are making either a mistake of etymology, or a deliberate play on words. -- Michael Covington (Ph.D., linguistics) ",15 " No, you have completely misunderstood. I was opposed to intervention in Somalia for the same reason I am opposed to intervention in Bosnia - there is no security interest of the United States there which justifies risking the lives of American servicemen, and there are too many crises in the world for us to take on all of them. In the case of Bosnia, the risks are obviously much greater, and there are other countries in a much better position and with far better reasons to take action than the US. You continue to misunderstand. I did not say the reason why people want to intervene is because of racist (<- you seem to be overly fond of using this word, btw. I said the phenomenon was race-related, which is not the same as racist. Perhaps this distinction is too subtle for you to grasp) motives - I said the attention and outrage at the entire Yugoslavian situation was a result of it being 1) closer to home, 2) happening to people we can identify with, and 3) relentlessly harped on by the media. I never said anything about which side would be preferred, which has a lot more to do with the presentation of the conflict than any psychological factors. I think there is no doubt that despite the fact we intervened in Somalia, the level of attention devoted to there was considerably less than what is devoted to Bosnia, if the newspapers and tv news I see are any guide. ",17 "Just to complete that thought, the cooling towers cool water that circulates through heat exchangers that recondense the turbine exhaust back into feedwater for the heat exchangers that transfer energy from the reactor's cooling circuit. |---------------| |------turbine, etc---| |---------| | > > > > . reactor < < < > . | > > > > C. T. |---------------| |--------------------| |---------- The reactor has a closed loop circuit to prevent radioactive contamination of the the turbine feedwater. The cooling tower is a separate circuit to avoide contamination of the turbine feedwater with atmospheric contamininats, etc. Purifying boiler feedwater is important business at both fossil fired and nuclear generation facilities. ",12 "My friend, David Gordon wants to sell his 1989 Honda. Some of the details of th e car are as follows: Five speed A/c, AM/FM/Cassette stereo ps/pb Rear window defroster EXCELLENT CONDITION Asking 6400.00 OBO.",7 "Kent: With all due respect, how can I take you seriously, when you have the NAMES wrong in the 1st place? E.g.: There is no such thing. The correct name is Ancient & Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, abbreviated AMORC. There is no such thing either. It's the Rosicrucian Fellowship. And they clearly state that they DO NOT pretend to descend from the Order of the Fama Fraternitatis. The Lectorium? And who else? These are NOT Rosicrucian ""orders"". They are Masonic study groups, none of which *claims* to be descendant of the original Order. What is ORC? If you mean AMORC, you didn't even learn the correct name?!",19 " ",18 " Standard colormaps were spec'd with the intention that window managers would make them available. This doesn't mean that every window manager author in the world immediately dropped everything they were doing and implemented this at top priority. The ESGE server we ship makes the XA_RGB_BEST_MAP available at startup. It doesn't wait for window managers to do it. Does your hardware have only one CLUT? Since standard colormaps typically devour all 256 entries, there is no way it can avoid displacing the entire default colormap if your hardware has only one CLUT. I don't believe standard colormaps are intended to aboid possible colormap flashing between clients using the default coilormap. Rather, colormap flashing will be avoided between two clients that use the same standard colormap. An example would be two clients that need a full color range would both use XA_RGB_BEST_MAP (or whatever it's called under X11R5). If you are trying to avoid colormap flashing with the default colormap, your best bet is to try to load all the colors you use into that colormap. If you can't do that, then you'll get flashing on a one hw CLUT framebuffer. Now if your window manager used the same standard colormap as your client, this flashing could also be avoided. Perhaps some window managers have command line options for selecting standard colormaps? -- ",5 " Hmmmmmm....put your butt in the seat and follow the road signs? ",8 "I have before me a pertinent report from the United States General Accounting Office: National Aero-Space Plane: Restructuring Future Research and Development Efforts December 1992 Report number GAO/NSIAD-93-71 In the back it lists the following related reports: NASP: Key Issues Facing the Program (31 Mar 92) GAO/T-NSIAD-92-26 Aerospace Plane Technology: R&D Efforts in Japan and Australia (4 Oct 91) GAO/NSIAD-92-5 Aerospace Plane Technology: R&D Efforts in Europe (25 July 91) GAO/NSIAD-91-194 Aerospace Technology: Technical Data and Information on Foreign Test Facilities (22 Jun 90) GAO/NSIAD-90-71FS Investment in Foreign Aerospace Vehicle Research and Technological Development Efforts (2 Aug 89) GAO/T-NSIAD-89-43 NASP: A Technology Development and Demonstration Program to Build the X-30 (27 Apr 88) GAO/NSIAD-88-122 On the inside back cover, under ""Ordering Information"" it says ""The first copy of each GAO report is free. . . . Orders may also be placed by calling (202)275-6241 "" Dani ",14 " I think that they go to divisional records before goals, but I could be wrong, too. -- Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!! LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!! kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!",10 "The reason I'm posting this article to this newsgroup is to: 1. gather any information about this disorder from anyone who might have recently been *e*ffected by it ( from being associated with it or actually having this disorder ) and 2. help me find out where I can access any medical literature associated with seizures over the internet. Recently, I had a baby boy born with seizures which occured 12-15 hours after birth. He was immediately transferred to a major hospital in Boston and has since been undergoing extensive drug treatment for his condition. This has been a major learning experience for me and my wife not only in learning the medical problems that faced our son but also in dealing with hospitals, procedures...etc. I don't want to go into a lot of detail, but his condition was termed quite severe at first then slowly he began to grow and put on weight as a normal baby would. He was put on the standard anti-convulsion drugs and that did not seem to help out. His MRI, EKG, cat-scans are all normal, but the EEG's show alot of seizure activity. After many metabolic tests, body structure tests, and infection/virus tests the doctors still do not know quite what type of siezures he is having (although they do have alot of evidence that it is now pointing to infantile spasms ). This is where we stand right now....",13 "True rumor. Fact! A big three way deal! Eric Lindros going to Ottawa Senators. And Senators get $15mill from Montreal. Montreal gets Alexander Daigle (the first round pick from Senators) Philly gets Damphousse, Bellow, Patrick Roy and a draft pick. ",10 " Ya, Fat Chance. The ""offending"" rider was a moto journalist. Those guys can sell hundreds of bikes with one stroke of the pen and as such get away with murder when it comes to test bikes. One way or the other, it was probably worth the early expiration of one mufler to see a bone head get his butt baked.",8 " Short reply: We can never achieve perfect health, yet we always strive for it. We don't seek to do God's will because we're forced to, we follow His way because His way is best. The reason it's hard is because we are flawed, not because He's unreasonable. But we seek to follow His way because we want to improve ourselves and our lives.",15 "#>So instead of calling it interest on deposits, you call it *returns on investements* #>and instead of calling loans you call it *investing in business* (that is in other words #>floating stocks in your company). # #No, interest is different from a return on an investment. For one #thing, a return on an investment has greater risk, and not a set return #(i.e. the amount of money you make can go up or down, or you might even #lose money). The difference is, the risk of loss is shared by the #investor, rather than practically all the risk being taken by the #borrower when the borrower borrows from the bank. # But is it different from stocks ? If you wish to call an investor in stocks as a banker, well then its your choice ..... #>Relabeling does not make it interest free !! # #It is not just relabeling, as I have explained above. It *is* relabeling ... Also its still not interest free. The investor is still taking some money ... as dividend on his investment ... ofcourse the investor (in islamic *banking*, its your so called *bank*) is taking more risk than the usual bank, but its still getting some thing back in return .... Also have you heard of junk bonds ??? ---Vinayak ------------------------------------------------------- vinayak dutt e-mail: vdp@mayo.edu standard disclaimers apply",0 "I have the EuroWiper boots in White and had to throw away the first pair since I found no way of cleaning them after they looked almost black. Now I have my second pair of white ones and once again they are dirty. I need a way to clean them w/o removing them since I had to cut them to remove them, is there a way? 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The guy's just a stuffed shirt who thinks he's the greatest hockey analyst since Howie Meeker (for gosh sakes). I'll take Schoenie any day. George ",10 " My Native American Girlfriend asks: ""If the government really doesn't 'care a hill of beans' about our religion, how come they're still busting us for it in Oregon, Washington, and a few other places? You'd be a Christian, too, if the U.S. Army marched you into church at gunpoint.""",16 "I'm doing sound for a couple of bands around here and we need Direct Input boxes for the keyboards. These are the little boxes that take a line level out of the keyboard and transform it into low-Z for the run to the mixer. Sadly they cost like $50 (or more) each and I'm going to need like 5 or 10 of them! I looked inside one (belonging to another band) and it looks like just a transformer. Does anyone have any plans for building them? Perhaps in Anderton's ""Electronic Projects for Musicians"" book (which I am having a hell of a time tracking down...)? Thanks a lot! .s. PS: Post or email. I read this group...",12 "Koc) responded to article <1993Apr22.152937.14766@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu. [DD] Problem 1 [DD] [DD] My father told me the following story. During the famous wars between the [DD] Armenians and the Persians, prince Zaurak Kamsarakan performed [DD] extraordinary heroic deeds. Three times in a single month he attacked the [DD] Persian troops. The first time, he struck down half of the Persian army. [DD] The second time, pursuing the Persians, he slaughtered one fourth of the [DD] soldiers. The third time, he destroyed one eleventh of the Persian army. [DD] The Persians who were still alive, numbering two hundred eighty, fled to [DD] Nakhichevan. And so, from this remainder, find how many Persian soldiers [DD] there were before the massacre. [Koc] Answer: a(1-1/2-1/4-1/11)=280 -> a = 1760 Good for you! You win the prize -- a free trip to Karabakh as an Azeri soldier! Now, calculate the odds of you coming back after trying to de-populate the area of Armenians! [Koc] Corollary: Armenians strike, slaughter, destroy, and massacre. After [Koc] all, they are not as innocent as the asala network claims. Fact: I didn't notice any mention of Turks in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon in this seventh century story! Fact: These places were filled with Armenians as of 1915. Fact: By the end of 1916, after the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, there were no Armenians left in Shirak, Van, or Trebizon -- only Turks and Kurds! In fact, there were no Pontus Greeks left alive in Trebizon either! Conclusion: Numbers don't lie in either case! ",17 " Oh! For a second I thought this was a posting by Ed Green!",8 " Fine... THE ILLIAD IS THE WORD OF GOD(tm) (disputed or not, it is) Dispute that. It won't matter. Prove me wrong. Brian West",0 " Didn't you read the instructions first?? You're supposed to spray it in your ears so you won't be distracted by the chain-noise of the *other* bikes around you. That's why it's called ""Chain *Wax*"".",8 " `My Western Digital also has three sets of pins on the back. I am using it with `another hard drive as well and the settings for the jumpers were written right `on the circuit board of the WD drive......MA SL ?? Well, I figured out how the jumpers go. Now I have quite a different problem that has me perplexed like you wouldn't know. I have both drives working, the C: system formatted and all of my hardware installed. Only problem is, that during the boot up sequence, the computer does not want to pass up looking for a system on the A: drive. Reinitialization all goes fine and the BIOS seems to be configured to what is necessary. All the drive tests work, but when the thing comes back around to the a: drive and there is no disk present, it just spins. If you insert a disk into drive a with a system however, it works fine and boots up (ie how installed all my software) Any additional help on this will be most welcome.... swood ",3 "In turpin@cs.utexas.edu (Russell Turpin) I regard love as no more or less ""benign"" than any other Christian does. You are merely expressing ""approval"" of the consequences I find therein. Which says more about our politics and cultural trappings than about my (or any) religion. ""Love"" is a highly ambiguous word, of which Christians can write both the ""gentle"" words Paul uses of it in 1 Corinthians -- in a passage that even the ""conservatives"" will quote at you :-) -- and the words of T. S. Eliot in his Pentacost Hymn, ""Love is the unfamiliar Name that wove the intolerable shirt of flame ..."" This is in any case rather to the side of what I was attempting to raise in my note, as will become more evident below. blechhh. I think you are misreading me, rather seriously. Though, given my principle that one CANNOT force one's own notion of ""sin"" on another, and my unshakeable ""disestablishmentarianism"", Russel Turpin and others (believers and unbelievers alike) are under no threat of my legislating my own understanding of Christian love. You misread. I can do (and have repeatedly done) a complete bill of accusation against the Inquisition by exhibiting in as thorough a form as anyone might want a demonstration of the harm it has done to human beings (in the first place) and to respect for (let alone love of) ""God"" in near succession. Please go back to my quoted words above: The ""possibility that always exists"" is that I (or, to revert to proper time sequence, my predecessors over the last several centuries) could persuade ""Christian B"" of my case that the Inquisition *does* indeed constitute an egregious violation of the Law of Love. I must also note that the majority of Christians HAVE been so persuaded. By Christian argumentation, as well as by secular [both Christian and non-Christian] prohibitions. What Mr. Turpin alludes to is a trickier point: A. I demonstrate the human pain and violation of love involved in the Inquisition. B. The Inquisitor responds that Mother Church must, however painful this *seems*, ""discipline"" her children for their own good -- in this case the salvation of their souls (or if the tortured heretic will not recant, than by bad example ""deterring"" others from the same loss-of-soul.) A. I point out that this ""justification"" of a failure in love depends on a highly speculative construal of texts and of philosophical assertions that are quite undemonstrable. B. Burns me at the stake. My rhetoric has failed, but the point I am making is sustained. What is going on here has a *lot* to do with ""cultural baggage."" In this case, the baggage includes a (nearly universal, and absolutely secular) belief that an accused person must prove innocence and that testimony is most believable if taken under torture. The elimination of Inqisitorial practice (in those places where it *has* been eliminated, or at least greatly reduced) has very little, if anything, to do with the discussion of sin in the exchange between A and B. Mr. Turpin is pointing out that, if I am A versus the Grand Inquisitor's B, then my persuasion is not very likely to work. I know this; and in what- ever personal agony, I consign the issue to God and my ghostly defense attorney. So, ""one possibility"" fails in this case -- as it will fail in may others. At the other extreme, the ""persuasion"" will succeed when it properly SHOULD not, if it entails mistaken assumptions I share with the Inquisitor. And that is potentially an even more troubling case, in that many of the victims of Inquisition will have ""accepted"" that they were in fact sinful (in such random cases as they may actually have been guilty of charges brought against them.) The point is that the ""persuasion"" breaks down when the parties do NOT share enough to agree on all the cultural baggage -- and given the main thrust of the Inquisition, against ""heresy"", it is *bound* to break down in precisely the ""worst"" cases. The ""conservative"" (I don't think that is the right word, BTW) will take refuge in what I attribute to B above, that he is ""justified"" in causing harm because he *thinks* that works to a ""greater good."" But this is a violent and extravagant REFUSAL to follow the gospel, as if one's theories about ""sin"" entitled one to cast aside Jesus' words on dealing with sinners (cf. Matthew 5:39ff). I am a ""radical"" Christian *only* in that I take the gospel seriously. Well, the whole *point* of making these the ""base"" commandments is that they *aren't* reducible to rules. A set of rules is a moral code or a law code or an algorithm for acting. Such things can be very helpful to individuals or societies -- but not if they are used *instead* of a personal involvement in and responsibility for one's actions. The Great Commandment is, more than anything else, a call to act *as if you were God and accepting ultimate responsibility* in your every action. A demand that I, like most, would rather *not* hear, but it keeps popping up nonetheless (along with the reassurance that it is more important that I be open to trying this, than succeeding at it). ""Conservatives"" may twist this ""act as if you were God"" to mean ""lay down rules for other people and be as nasty to them as possible if they don't keep YOUR rules."" They are so insistent (and obvious) about this that they have convinced a lot of people (who rightly reject the whole concept!) that such idiocy IS how God acts. That, after all, is the standard accusation ""against God"" by the atheists here and elsewhere. That the ""conservatives"" have confused THEIR manipulative, hoop-jumping notions of coercing other people with the Nature of God is almost the entire content of standard American atheism -- and I quite agree with it on this point. And different bodies of Christians have, from the beginning, urged *different* ""ethical systems"" (or in some cases, none). As a result, it is bizarre to identify any one of these systems, however popular (or infamous) with Christianity. Christianity DOES NOT HAVE A TORAH. It does not have a QU'RAN. Specifically Christian scripture has very little, if anything, in the way of ""commandments"" -- so little that the ""Christians"" who desperately *want* commandments go ""mining"" for them with almost no support (and thus almost no obvious limitation :-)) for their efforts. The one, single, thing in the gospels which Jesus specifically ""gives"" as ""a commandment"" to us is ""love one another."" [I will be expanding on this point in a reply to Paul Hudson that I hope to get to in a day or so -- it is quite true that SOME Christians infer LOTS of commandments from the NT; I'll point out what has to be going on in these inferences, and why there is a huge amount of ""cultural baggage"" involved.] You are quite right that this is ""goo"" if one is looking for an ethical system. But why should anyone BE looking for an ethical system, since our society is eager to hand us one or more no matter what we do? It may be that we need a principle for the CRITIQUE of ethical systems -- in which case I will profer the _agapate allelou_ once again. I think you are begging the question. Why don't I and the (myriads of) other Christians like me tell you something about Christianity? [Nor is this very new in Christianity -- you might want to look up the origins and fundamental doctrines of the Quakers, from the 17th century onwards, and they are not at all the first to understand the gospel in a manner that is congenial to my case.]",19 " Of course it releases radiation! Thats why your car goes faster when you punch the holes in it. All that radiation gets on your engine and gives it ""pep"" (scientific term). You get more horsepower & torque too! If you don't know what HP & torque are, you can read mile long threads on the subject, but they are all wrong. Horsepower is how much power a horse can make pulling a Subaru, and torque is a name invented by Craftsman for a wrench.",7 " We all know this will never happen. Because the Police are under the wings of Government, they will always be considered more important than Citizens. Government pens, pencils and paper are considered more important than Citizens.",16 ": [deletions] : : > How can you reconcile the administrations self proclaimed purpose of : > providing law enforcement with access to encrypted data without making : > the clipper system the only crypto available in the U.S... ? : : The Second and Fourth Amendments do come to mind. : I think i heard someplace (misc.legal?, comp.org.eff.talk?) that the courts have pretty much eliminated the fourth amendment already. ",11 "Well, it seems the ""National Sales Tax"" has gotten its very own CNN news LOGO! Cool. That means we'll be seeing it often. Man, I sure am GLAD that I quit working ( or taking this seriously ) in 1990. If I kept busting my ass, watching time go by, being frustrated, I'd be pretty DAMN MAD by now. YEAH! Free HEALTH CARE! Oh, yeeaaaahhhh! heh heh "" Bill makes me feel like DANCING! "" MORE AMAZING PREDICTIONS FROM THE INCREDIBLE BROMEISTER! -------------------------------------------------------- We take you back to Feburary 20th, when the INCREDIBLE BROMEISTER PREDICTED: "" $1,000 per middle class taxpayer in NEW TAXES "" "" A NATIONAL SALES TAX "" Now, for more AAMMMAAAAZZZZZZIINNNNGGGGG Predictions! i) The NST will be raised from 3% to 5% by 1996. Ooops. They ALREADY DID it. Okay, then. The NST will be raised from 5% to 7% by 1996. ii) Unemployment will rise! iii) Tax revenues will decline. Deficit will increase! We'll get another DEFICIT REDUCTION PACKAGE by 1997! Everyone will DANCE AND SING! Yup. I'm gonna bail out of here at 1 PM, amble on down to the lake. Hang out. Sit in the sun and take it EASY! :) Yeah! I just wish I had the e-mail address of total gumby who was saying that "" Clinton didn't propose a NST "". To paraphrase Hilary Clinton - "" I will not raise taxes on the middle class to pay for my programs """,18 "To following up my own note: : : : : It looks like everything works as advertised but I am disappointed : : with the speed. I'm using an Intel 400 internal 14.4k modem in the PC : : with Telebit 14.4k on the Unix end, which are currently limited to : : 19.2Kbits by the Unix com link. To get a quantitative comparison, I : : did 'cat file' where ""file"" is 20 kbyte uncompressed ascii text, and : : it took 75 seconds to scroll through an X window over the modem link, : : 270 chars/sec. Using the identical hardware and Procomm+FW the same : : ""cat file' takes 11 seconds, 1820 chars/sec. BTW, I use NCD PC XView : : on my PC at work (HP) every day for the same Unix access from a PC over : : a LAN and like that just fine. The same 'cat file' scrolls by in : : ~2 seconds on the LAN connection. I just tried a few experiments. I cat'd a 20261-byte file (471 lines) under various scenarios: PC-Xview for DOS in a full-screen OS/2 window (1024x768x16): 18 sec Telix (DOS) in an OS/2 window (1024xs768x256): 107 sec! Telix (DOS) is a full-screen OS/2 window (standard VGA): 11 sec Telix (DOS) in a Windows 3.1 window (1024x768x256): 30 sec UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window (1024x768x256): gave up after 4 min! UW/WIN in Windows 3.1 (1024x768x256): faster, but gave up after 2 min UW/WIN in a seamless OS/2 window using pg 30 sec, could have been a little faster (I had to keep hitting the space bar) I was using an ATI Wonder XL video card, by the way. So PC-Xview for DOS looks pretty good (and the line-by-line scrolling in OS/2 desktop looks pathetic, although full-page redraws are pretty good). I tried it under PC-Xview using my normal (9x15bold or 10x20) font, and with a very small font, and there was no difference in the times. The modem receive light was on pretty solidly, so it looks like the bottleneck was the 9600-baud modem, not the screen drawing. ",3 " So, did the Jews kill the Germans? You even make Armenians laugh. ""An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in 1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."" (Rachel A. Bortnick - The Jewish Times - June 21, 1990) Yes. To be exact, Armenians slaughtered 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914 and 1920. Source #1: McCarthy, J., ""Muslims and Minorities, The Population of Ottoman Anatolia and the End of the Empire,"" New York University Press, New York, 1983, pp. 133-144. Source #2: Hovannisian, Richard G., ""Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13. Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918. University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13. ""The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem. Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897, however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000 inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."" (See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of Transcaucasia). In 1920, '0' percent Turk. ""We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village. Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the scattered bones of the dead."" Ohanus Appressian ""Men Are Like That"" p. 202. SOME OF THE REFERENCES FROM EMINENT AUTHORS IN THE FIELD OF MIDDLE-EASTERN HISTORY AND EYEWITNESSES OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE OF 2.5 MILLION MUSLIMS 1. ""The Armenian Revolutionary Movement"" by Louise Nalbandian, University of California Press, Berkeley, Los Angeles, 1975 2. ""Diplomacy of Imperialism 1890-1902"" by William I. Lenger, Professor of History, Harward University, Boston, Alfred A. Knopt, New York, 1951 3. ""Turkey in Europe"" by Sir Charles Elliot, Edward & Arnold, London, 1900 4. ""The Chatnam House Version and Other Middle-Eastern Studies"" by Elie Kedouri, Praeger Publishers, New York, Washington, 1972 5. ""The Rising Crescent"" by Ernest Jackh, Farrar & Reinhart, Inc., New York & Toronto, 1944 6. ""Spiritual and Political Evolutions in Islam"" by Felix Valyi, Mogan, Paul, Trench & Truebner & Co., London, 1925 7. ""The Struggle for Power in Moslem Asia"" by E. Alexander Powell, The Century Co., New York, London, 1924 8. ""Struggle for Transcaucasia"" by Feruz Kazemzadeh, Yale University Press, New Haven, Conn., 1951 9. ""History of the Ottoman Empire and Modern Turkey"" (2 volumes) by Stanford J. Shaw, Cambridge University Press, Cambridge, New York, Melbourne, 1977 10.""The Western Question in Greece and Turkey"" by Arnold J. Toynbee, Constable & Co., Ltd., London, Bombay & Sydney, 1922 11.""The Caliph's Last Heritage"" by Sir Mark Sykes, Macmillan & Co., London, 1915 12.""Men Are Like That"" by Leonard A. Hartill, Bobbs Co., Indianapolis, 1928 13.""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-22"" by A. Rawlinson, Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925 14.""World Alive, A Personal Story"" by Robert Dunn, Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952 15.""From Sardarapat to Serves and Lousanne"" by Avetis Aharonian, The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17 (Spring 1964) 16.""Armenia on the Road to Independence"" by Richard G. Hovanessian, University of California Press, Berkeley, California, 1967 17.""The Rebirth of Turkey"" by Clair Price, Thomas Seltzer, New York, 1923 18.""Caucasian Battlefields"" by W. B. Allen & Paul Muratoff, Cambridge, 1953 19.""Partition of Turkey"" by Harry N. Howard, H. Fertig, New York, 1966 20.""The King-Crane Commission"" by Harry N. Howard, Beirut, 1963 21.""United States Policy and Partition of Turkey"" by Laurence Evans, John Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, 1965 22.""British Documents Related to Turkish War of Independence"" by Gothard Jaeschke 1. Neside Kerem Demir, ""Bir Sehid Anasina Tarihin Soyledikleri: Turkiye'nin Ermeni Meselesi,"" Hulbe Basim ve Yayin T.A.S., Ankara, 1982. (Ingilizce Birinci Baski: 1980, ""The Armenian Question in Turkey"") 2. Veysel Eroglu, ""Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Sebil Yayinevi, Istanbul, 1978. 3. A. Alper Gazigiray, ""Osmanlilardan Gunumuze Kadar Vesikalarla Ermeni Teroru'nun Kaynaklari,"" Gozen Kitabevi, Istanbul, 1982. 4. Dr. Kirzioglu M. Fahrettin, ""Kars Ili ve Cevresinde Ermeni Mezalimi,"" Kardes Matbaasi, Ankara, 1970. T.C. Basbakanlik Osmanli Arsivi, Babiali, Istanbul: a) Yildiz Esas Evraki b) Yildiz Perakende c) Irade Defterleri d) Cemaat-i Gayr-i Muslime Defterleri e) Meclisi Vukela Mazbatalari f) Dahiliye Nezareti, Kalem-i Mahsus Dosyalari g) Dahiliye Nezareti, Sifre Defterleri h) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Siyasi Kartonlar i) Babiali Evrak Odasi: Muhimme Kartonlari T.C. Disisleri Bakanligi, Hazine-i Evrak, Defterdarlik a) Harb-i Umumi b) Muteferrik Kartonlar British Archives: a) Parliamentary Papers (Hansard): Commons/Lords b) Foreign Office: Confidential Print: Various Collections c) Foreign Office: 424/239-253: Turkey: Correspondence - Annual Reports d) Foreign Office: 608 e) Foreign Office: 371, Political Intelligence: General Correspondence f) Foreign Office: 800/240, Ryan Papers g) Foreign Office: 800/151, Curzon Papers h) Foreign Office: 839: The Eastern Conference: Lausanne. 53 files India Office Records and Library, Blackfriars Road, London. a) L/Political and Security/10/851-855 (five boxes), ""Turkey: Treaty of Peace: 1918-1923"" b) L/P & S/10/1031, ""Near East: Turkey and Greece: Lausanne Conference, 1921-1923"" c) L/P & S/11/154 d) L/P & S/11/1031 French Archives Archives du ministere des Affaires entrangeres, Quai d'Orsay, Paris. a) Documents Diplomatiques: Affaires Armeniens: 1895-1914 Collections b) Guerre: 1914-1918: Turquie: Legion d'Orient. c) Levant, 1918-1929: Armenie. 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(Osmanli Devleti, Dahiliye Nezareti); ""Aspirations et Agissements Revolutionnaires des Comites Armeniens avant et apres la proclamation de la Constitution Ottomane,"" (Istanbul, 1917). ----; ""Ermeni Komitelerinin Amal ve Hareket-i Ihtilaliyesi: Ilan-i Mesrutiyetten Evvel ve Sonra,"" (Istanbul, 1916). ----; ""Idare-i Umumiye ve Vilayet Kanunu,"" (Istanbul, 1913). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. I (Istanbul, 1914). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. II (Istanbul, 1915). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. III (Istanbul, 1916). ----; ""Muharrerat-i Umumiye Mecmuasi, V. IV (Istanbul, 1917). (Osmanli Devleti, Hariciye Nezareti); ""Imtiyazat-i Ecnebiyye'nin Lagvindan Dolayi Memurine Teblig Olunacak Talimatname,"" (Istanbul, 1915). (Osmanli Devleti, Harbiye Nezareti); ""Islam Ahalinin Ducar Olduklari Mezalim Hakkinda Vesaike Mustenid Malumat,"" (Istanbul, 1919). ----; (IV. Ordu) ""Aliye Divan-i Harbi Orfisinde Tedkik Olunan Mesele-yi Siyasiye Hakkinda Izahat,"" (Istanbul, 1916). Turkozu, H. K. (ed.); ""Osmanli ve Sovyet Belgeleriyle Ermeni Mezalimi,"" (Ankara, 1982). ----; ""Turkiye Buyuk Millet Meclisi Gizli Celse Zabitlari,"" (Ankara, 1985), 4 vols. Russia Adamof, E. E. (ed.); ""Sovyet Devlet Arsivi Belgeleriyle Anadolu'nun Taksimi Plani,"" (tran. H. Rahmi, ed. H. Mutlucag), (Istanbul, 1972). Altinay, A. R.; ""Iki Komite - Iki Kital,"" (Istanbul, 1919). ----; ""Kafkas Yollarinda Hatiralar ve Tahassusler,"" (Istanbul, 1919). ----; ""Turkiye'de Katolik Propagandasi,"" Turk tarihi Encumeni Mecmuasi, V. XIV/82-5 (Sept. 1924). Asaf Muammer; ""Harb ve Mesulleri,"" (Istanbul, 1918). Akboy, C.; ""Birinci Dunya Harbinde Turk Harbi, V. I: Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Siyasi ve Askeri Hazirliklari ve Harbe Girisi,"" (Gn. Kur., Ankara, 1970). Akgun, S.; ""General Harbord'un Anadolu Gezisi ve (Ermeni Meselesi'ne Dair) Raporu: Kurtulus Savasi Baslangicinda,"" (Istanbul, 1981). Akin, I.; ""Turk Devrim Tarihi,"" (Istanbul, 1983). Aksin, S.; ""Jon Turkler ve Ittihad ve Terakki,"" (Istanbul, 1976). Basar, Z. (ed.);""Ermenilerden Gorduklerimiz,"" (Ankara, 1974). ----; ""Ermeniler Hakkinda Makaleler - Derlemeler,"" (Ankara, 1978). Belen, F.; ""Birinci Dunya Harbinde Turk Harbi,"" (Ankara, 1964). Deliorman, A.; ""Turklere Karsi Ermeni Komitecileri,"" (Istanbul, 1980). Ege, N. N. (ed.); ""Prens Sabahaddin: Hayati ve Ilmi Mudafaalari,"" (Istanbul, 1977). Ercikan, A.; ""Ermenilerin Bizans ve Osmanli Imparatorluklarindaki Rolleri,"" (Ankara, 1949). Gurun, K.; 'Ermeni Sorunu yahut bir sorun nasil yaratilir?', ""Turk Tarihinde Ermeniler Sempozyumu,"" (Izmir, 1983). Hocaoglu, M.; ""Arsiv Vesikalariyla Tarihte Ermeni Mezalimi ve Ermeniler,"" (Istanbul, 1976). Karal, E. S.; ""Osmanli Tarihi,"" V. V (1983, 4th ed.); V. VI (1976, 2nd ed.); V. VII (1977, 2nd ed.); V. VIII (1983, 2nd ed.) Ankara. Kurat, Y. T.; ""Osmanli Imparatorlugu'nun Paylasilmasi,"" (Ankara, 1976). Orel, S./S. Yuca; ""Ermenilerce Talat Pasa'ya Atfedilen Telgraflarin Icyuzu,"" (Ankara, 1983). [Also in English translation.] Ahmad, F.; ""The Young Turks: The Committee of Union and Progress in Turkish Politics,"" (Oxford, 1969). Serdar Argic",17 " I think I should also point out that the mystical DES engines are known plaintext engines (unless you add a ton of really smart hardware?) The 'plaintext' is digitized voice, and exists for a very short time, probably in a couple inches of copper, tops. It's flatly not available -- your bug in my office can hear my voice, and even digitize it, but it's going to get a different bitstream. It is horribly naive to suppose that regular folks can figure out how to crack skipjack, or clipper based telephones. I'm certainly not devoting a great deal of thought to it.",11 "Thanks for the info. I assume that this is for MFC 1.0. Does anyone know if this will work with MFC 2.0, or what else needs to be done? Thanks.",2 "Taft Electronics, 45th Street between 5th & 6th -- the only one left in what was once an entire district of electronics stores. A little expensive. Trans-Am Electronics, Canal Street near 7th Ave -- lots of surplus type stuff. Several other electronics or ""surplus"" type places are still on Canal Street. I think Bronx Wholesale Radio is still in business -- Fordham Road not too far from Arthur Avenue in the Bronx. Also in the Bronx is NorthEastern (or was it Northwestern? Northeast Electronics?) on Jerome Avenue near Bedford Park Boulevard. They're mostly a TV parts supply house, but when I was building CB radio projects, they were quite handy..",12 "I would be grateful to anyone who knows about an X-windows application that would emulate HP 2623A graphics in a manner similar to the way TEK graphics windows are implemented in xterm. Thanks for you help.",5 "Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco to Seattle? And how much might it cost? I remember a thread on shipping. If someone saved the instructions on bike prep, please post 'em again, or email. Thanks,",8 " Doesn't it also have the Statue of Liberty on it or is that Richter's Mask? The back actually has a Bee followed by a Z to represent the Beezer. It also has something that looks like the three interconnecting circles from the Led Zepplin 4 album cover. Is that what it is supposed to be? and if it is does anybody know why he would put it there? Ali? John ""The official Language of Golf is Profanity"" ",10 ": Frank Crary posted: : : Sure, but the difference in per-capita crime rates predates the : : gun control laws: The homicide rate in England was a tenth that : : of America, back when anyone in England could buy a gun without : : any paperwork at all. : Steve Manes asks: : > Got a citation for this? : Colin Greenwood from Scotland Yard did a study that showed that gun : control has had no effect on crime or murder rates in the UK. His book, : _Firearms_Controls_, has been published in London by Keegan Paul (name : may be misspelled). Others dispute that, like Richard Hofstadter, , and Newton and Zimring's . But, again, statistics between too dissimilar cultures are difficult to quantify. I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO effect on homicide rates. There were over 250 >accidental< handgun homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons. More American children accidentally shot other children last year (15) than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain. (Source: National Safety Council. Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison). If Mr. Greenwood believes that Brits are much too sober and coordinated to make such mistakes I'd like to introduce him to my friend, Amanda from Brighton. I used to have some pretty nice crystal in my place until she moved in. I've gotten used to the snide comments from guests about the clown motif on my rubber wine glasses. ",16 "Having read the various ""Clipper"" announcements on the net over the last few days and a LOT of uninformed speculation about the chip, its uses, government plots, etc, I have the following questions. 1) What does the ""Clipper chip"" actually implement? Just the Skipjack cryptographic algorithm? Or does it also implement a ""chip to chip"" communications protocol? If it does implement a communications protocol, can it be used as just a ""crypt chip"" also. 2) Where can the chip specifications and spec sheets be obtained? 3) Who may purchase them and under what conditions? 4) Are there restrictions as to how the chip may be used in a system? 5) The security of the algorithm and the encrypted communications does not appear to require that the ""Family key"" be a secret. Why is it a secret? What happens when the ""family key"" becomes well known? If it's a secret to make traffic analysis more difficult, does the ""Law enforcement message"" contain any random information? How much and how random is it? 6) Can the chip be programmed to reveal the ""Unit key""? The chip ""serial number""? Any of the programming parameters? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Raymond S. Brand rbrand@usasoc.soc.mil",11 " There is no contradiction here. It is essential in the sense that your body needs it. It is non-essential in the sense that your body can produce enough of it without supplement.",13 " Just an comment: I don't like it when people decide what's good for me... If you think you're going to decide anything for me, you'd better be carrying a badge and a gun. Who made you capable of determining if there is ""no way in hell that anybody is going anywhere""? Why do you find it necessary to add to the problem instead of just minding your own business? If someone is minding their own business, I will give them all the room they want, and I'll try to make things easy for them, even letting them in in front of me if they ask politely (with a directional). On the other hand, if someone like you decides they want to block me and be a general asshole, you can bet your ass that I'll make life as miserable as possible for you, as long as it doesn't affect anyone else who's minding their own business. They have a phrase to describe someone like you: Self Appointed Traffic Police. Just mind your own business and stay in the right lane where you belong. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ___ / _ \ '85 Mustang GT Bob Pitas / /USH 14.13 @ 99.8 bpita@ctp.com / /| \ Up at NED, Epping, NH (Cambridge, MA) """" - Geddy Lee (in YYZ) Disclaimer: These opinions are mine, obviously, since they end with my .sig!",7 " rubberized undercoating for this. -- Von Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu) NCSA Networking Development Group '93 CBR600F2 '78 KZ650 '83 Subaru GL 4WD",8 " While Atlanta has the undisputed best starting rotation, I feel that their relief staff may be suspect. They don't have a real closer -- although Mike Stanton (4 saves) has been used in that role. Didn't Stanton start off great last year and then falter? Despite this, your point is well taken. Atlanta doesn't seem to have the same personality as a NY team, thus is unlikely to self-destruct. For Houston to take 'em, Atlanta needs to suffer some injuries, particularly to their starting rotation. From what I understand, Boever and Murphy were considered expendable by the club. Houston felt that their positions could be filled by a number of players.. Art Doug Jones is the key to Houston's success. He must have another great year for Houston to challenge in the NL West. lousey spring. Right! A strong rotation will take the pressure off of the troubling bullpen. The unsuspected strength of the lower part of the order has saved the club so far. Biggio and Finley just aren't doing their job of getting on base. Instead of filling his role as an RBI man, Bagwell has had to assume Biggio and Finley's job. Biggio concerns me, since he usually starts the season very strong. * * * * * * On a side note, are you at all concerned with the rumors concerning next year's uniform? There is talk that their road uniform will be (blech..) traditional grey, with the word ""HOUSTON"" written across the chest. If I'm not mistaken, their home uniforms may totally eliminate the color orange (shiver..). McLane's favorite color is red, so... I'm really upset.. the current unforms are dull and the new ones sound horrible. I'd like to see the uniform of the mid-1980s return. They may not have been pretty, but Houston had established a long precident of wearing the ugliest uniforms in baseball -- and I liked it. Astros fan since the days of Ryan, Scott, Smith, Cruz, Davis, Bass, Hatcher...",9 " We've heard a lot of talk about brainwashing in Waco but the brainwashing of the general population never ceases to amaze me. Here is an example of action being taken which results in the worst possible outcome and despite people's deep intuition telling them something is wrong the programming will still cut in and say that the agents probably acted in good faith. NO THEY DIDN'T. They either did not have enough information to act in good faith or else they acted knowing the risk. Sums up human stupidity all over and one of these days it will destroy the fucking planet: ""Oh sorry. Didn't think they would respond by launching a strike. All our best calculations told us they were bluffing."" ",16 " It works for me. I avoid obscenities, and try to remain calm cool and collected, and try something like, ""You almost just killed me, and I'm not moving until you apologize."" or something more or less benign like that. I haven't been shot a single time, but I don't do it in Texas, and I do only do it when there are plenty of witnesses around.",8 " What's the problem here? Back in 1958 I rode a Puch 175 from Paris to Barcelona and back. That was a two stroke, and back then it was representative of the size of bikes on the road. A 350 was considered a big bike, and the superbikes of the day were 500cc or 600cc. Anything bigger was real rare. Charlie Smith, DoD #0709, doh #0000000004, 1KSPT=22.85",8 "Name Pos AB H 2B 3B HR RBI RS SB E AVG ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Boston OF 12 7 2 6 .583 Galarraga 1B 28 13 3 1 9 2 .464 Tatum 3B 5 2 1 .400 Cole CF 24 9 1 2 8 2 .375 E. Young 2B 28 9 1 1 1 5 10 5 3 .321 Hayes 3B 25 7 1 2 5 2 1 2 .280 Murphy OF 4 1 1 .250 Bichette RF 21 5 1 5 3 1 .238 Clark LF 24 5 2 2 1 .208 Girardi C 25 5 1 1 3 2 .200 Castilla SS 6 1 1 .167 Benavides SS 18 1 2 1 4 .056 G. Young OF 1 1 .000 PITCHERS P 12 .000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Totals 233 65 9 3 5 34 37 9 11 .279 Name L/R IP H R ER K BB ERA W L S ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne L 2.7 3 0 0 3 2 0.00 0 0 0 Aldred L 5 4 3 1 1 6 1.80 0 0 0 Smith R 12.3 15 3 3 2 3 2.19 1 1 0 Ashby R 5 6 2 2 3 5 3.60 0 0 0 Neid R 12 15 6 6 5 8 4.50 1 1 0 Parrett R 5.7 7 3 3 7 3 4.76 0 0 0 Blair R 5.3 7 5 3 2 3 5.06 0 0 0 Henry L 6 9 6 5 4 1 7.50 0 1 0 Ruffin L 3 7 6 5 3 4 15.00 0 1 0 Reed R 2.7 7 7 7 1 3 23.63 0 0 0 Holmes R 1.3 6 10 9 1 4 60.75 0 1 0",9 "One of those ""morning, just getting the coffee in me"" thoughts: Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just ""Hey, how's it going, nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"" 1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages.",8 " (Deletion) For me, it is a ""I believe no gods exist"" and a ""I don't believe gods exist"". In other words, I think that statements like gods are or somehow interfere with this world are false or meaningless. In Ontology, one can fairly conclude that when ""A exist"" is meaningless A does not exist. Under the Pragmatic definition of truth, ""A exists"" is meaningless makes A exist even logically false. A problem with such statements is that one can't disprove a subjective god by definition, and there might be cases where a subjective god would even make sense. The trouble with most god definitions is that they include some form of objective existence with the consequence of the gods affecting all. Believers derive from it a right to interfere with the life of others. (Deletion)",0 "Does anyone know the difference between MOOLIT and OLIT? Does Sun support MOOLIT? Is MOOLIT available on Sparcstations? I have recntly downloaded a copy of wkshTree written by Eric Wallengren of Univel. There are many widgets that are apparently available only to MOOLIT but not OLIT. Is there a wkshTree program available under OLIT?",5 "I recently bought a monichrome VGA monitor for $99 that will do 1024x768 non-interlaced, which seems like a good deal. However, it is a fixed-scan rate monitor, and only handles 52 kHz horizontal, I think. With my Trident card it works only in graphics modes 5e and 62 - not much use, since just about any application will set the mode to something else, especially if it wants to do text, I suppose. Anyway: - is there any way that I can use this as a general-purpose VGA display with a 1-meg trident 8900C card? - if not, can I do so with some sort of different VGA card? Peter Desnoyers",3 " This is one of my favorite fallacious points against atheism, i.e. the belief that you can't deny anything that you can't prove doesn't exist. This is easily nailed by showing that an infinite number of beings are conceivable but not observed to exist, does this mean that we would have to believe in all of them? According to the above poster, we must believe in objects or beings that haven't been proved not to exist so why stop at God? (there could be a huge number of beings identical to Ronald Reagan except for trivial differences, say one is missing a finger, one has blond hair,... and they all live on other planets so we can't see them) The reason no one but atheists bring this up is that none of these christians have a vested interest in these unknown beings with the exception of God. How did they shoot themselves in the foot? There is a big difference here, Stalin didn't say that he stood for a particular moral position (i.e. against murder and terrorism, etc.) and then did the opposite (like the religious movements), he was at least an honest killer. (This is NOT a support of Stalin but an attack on this viewpoint). Saying that atheism supports murder and violence just because one man was a tyrant and an atheist is just bad logic, look at all the russians that helped Stalin that weren't atheists - don't they contradict your point? Besides your point assumes that his atheism was relevant to his murdering people, this is just the common assumption that atheists can't value life as much as theists (which you didn't support). Ah, and here's another point you didn't get out of the FAQ. An atheist doesn't have to hold the positive view that god doesn't exist, he/she may just have the non-existence of the positive belief. Here's the example: Strong atheism - ""I believe god does not exist"" a positive belief Weak atheism - ""I don't believe in a god"" a negative belief these are NOT the same, some one that has never thought of the idea of god in their whole life is technically an atheist, but not the kind that you are calling unreasonable. Or let's look at it this way (in sets) suppose that a given person has a huge set of ideas that I will represent as capital letters and these people then either believe that these ideas exist as real objects or not. So if S = santa, then E(S)= no is the person not believing in santa but still having the idea of santa. But notice that even E(S) = no is itself another idea! This means you have lots of cases: christian : (A,E(A)=yes,B,E(B)=no, . . . G,E(G)=yes......) where G = god atheist (strong) : (A,E(A). . . . .G,E(G)=no) atheist (weak) : (A,.....E) i.e. no G at all in the set agnostic : (A,.......G, E(G) = indeterminate, E', ....) Nietzsche once said that a man would rather will nonexistence than not will at all but the darwinist way to put this is that humanity always prefers no or yes to a maybe because indecision is not a useful survival trait, evolution has drilled it in us to take positions, even false ones. ",0 "DeSoto's first year of manufacture was 1928, so this may indeed have been an export special, as left hand controls were standard here by then. ",7 " Since the Mac uses ONLY SCSI-1 for hard drives YES the ""figure includes a hundred $$$ for SCSI drivers"" This is sloppy people and DUMB. Ok once again with the SCSI spec list: SCSI-1 {with a SCSI-1 controler chip} synchronous range is indeed 0-5MB/s asynchronous range is slower at 0-3MB/s. SCSI-1 {With a SCSI-2 controller chip}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {8-bit} Note the INCREASE in SPEED, the Mac Quadra uses this version of SCSI-1 so it DOES exist. Some PCs use this set up too. SCSI-2 {8-bit/SCSI-1 mode}: 4-6MB/s with 10MB/s burst {for those who want SCSI-2 but don't want to pay for the 16-bit or 32-bit hardware or mess with the SCSI-2 software controllers. Usable by SCSI-1 devices with close to 8-bit SCSI-2 speeds} SCSI-2 {16-bit/wide or fast mode}: 8-12MB/s with 20MB/s burst SCSI-2 {32-bit/wide AND fast}: 15-20MB/s with 40MB/s burst On the other interfaces let DXB132@psuvm.psu.edu speak: Again synchronous and asynchronous modes with asynchronous much slower {Range 0-5MB/s} One problem is the inconsitant use of the term 'SCSI' in articles and by people. Its PROPER meaning is ""The set of SCSI interfaces composed of SCSI-1 AND SCSI-2"" Look at the inconsitant use of SCSI in the below quote: (My comments in {}) PC Magazine April 27, 1993:29 ""Although SCSI is twice as fast as ESDI, {This is asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip} 20% faster than IDE..."" {this is BOTH asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip AND 8-bit SCSI-2} To read CONSITANTLY the quote SHOULD read: {asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-1 chip} ""Although asynchronous SCSI-1 is twice as fast as ESDI, one third the speed of IDE..."" or {asynchronous SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip or 8-bit SCSI-2} ""Although SCSI-1 with a SCSI-2 chip and 8-bit SCSI-2 are eight times as fast as ESDI, 20% faster than IDE..."" NOTE the NONUSE of 'SCSI' by itself. This eliminates ambaguity. SCSI-1 drivers are somewhat reasonable while 16-bit and 32-bit SCSI-2 drivers are VERY expansive {8-bit SCSI-2 can use SCSI-1 drivers with little speed degridation(the Mac Quadra does EXACTLY this.)}",3 "I am trying to put together a new PC with VESA Local Bus. I would like to get VLB cards for Video and SCSI but I have heard of a problem with bus mastering controllers on VLB. Something to the effect that they will actually slow down a system. Anyone heard of this problem? Specifically, I am interested in the Ultrastor 34F VLB SCSI controller. Before I shell out the bucks for this thing I would like to get the straight scoop from someone who knows. Does anyone have this controller? Any problems with it? -- ",3 " Frankly, no. Offense and defense are equally important. But the pitcher is 80% of the defense. The primary role of every other player is on offense. Even shortstops are a bigger part of the offensive game than of the defensive game. (They might not do much with their part of the offense, but that's another issue.) That being said, I think both Smith and Yount deserve the HOF. They hit pretty well in addition to their defense.",9 " Make that 20%. Where did I see that poll recently about the very religious and adultery? Was it this newsgroup or alt.atheism or some other place?",19 "Hi, We've been having problems on a few setups when printing to a serial printer (dmp or Laser). I have used Works and Windows Write. The output is OK from DOS and if I send plain text output, but anything fancy garbles or just doesn't output. The exception is outputting to a Lserjet 4 which 'appears' to be fast enough receiving data, not to bother about handshaking messages. I'm sure I'm not alone in this. I've tried most of the Print/Network manager options I can think of. Anyone had similar problems they've cured and would like to tell me 'bout it?? Thanks",2 "Sorry for wasting your time with a probably simple question, but I'm not an computer graphic expert. I want to read TIFF-Files with a PASCAL-program. The problem is, that the files I want to read are in compressed form ( code 1, e.g. Huffman ). All books & articles I found describe only the plain (uncompressed) format. I don't know where to get the original TIFF specification, furthermore I haven't any access to a realy complete library. Can anybody direct me to a good book or (even better) to an specification available via ftp ? Thanks in advance - Thomas Wolf",1 " Take a lemon. Stick a copper strip into the lemon. Stick a galvanized nail in about 1 to 1-1/2 inches from the copper strip. You should get about 1/2 volt from it - enough to light an LED. * SLMR 2.1 * Support your medical examiner, die strangely. ",12 "I just bought a 1962 T-BIRD and would like any info on a club in and around the the B.C. coast. Eric Thomas ",7 "Jammer ! Dit is geen fantastische advertentie over nep-rolexen maar een evenzo duidelijke mededeling hieromtrent : Aangezien het alleen al aanbieden van deze horloges onder vermelding van de echte merknaam niet geheel correct is, wil ik met dit bericht duidelijk maken dat ik, Marcel Engelbertink, niet meer zal adverteren met imitatie-horloges van het merk ROLEX. Enig persoon die hierin geiinteresseerd is kan ik jammer genoeg ook niet meer helpen. For all the foreign people who can't even understand dutch ?!? : In spite of earlier mailing about fake-rolex's, I announce that I don't have any information available any longer and I won't use the trade name ROLEX anymore for those fake models. Yours fakefully, ",6 "MLB Standings and Scores for Satruday, April 17th, 1993 (including yesterday's games) NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road San Francisco Giants 07 04 .636 -- 6-4 Won 2 04-01 03-03 Houston Astros 06 04 .600 0.5 6-4 Won 1 01-03 05-01 Atlanta Braves 06 06 .500 1.5 5-5 Lost 3 04-03 03-02 Los Angeles Dodgers 04 07 .364 3.0 4-6 Won 1 01-03 03-04 Colorado Rockies 03 06 .333 3.0 3-6 Lost 1 03-03 00-03 San Diego Padres 03 07 .300 3.5 3-7 Won 1 01-04 02-03 Cincinnati Reds 02 08 .200 4.5 2-8 Lost 4 01-03 01-05 NATIONAL EAST Philadelphia Phillies 08 02 .800 -- 8-2 Lost 1 05-01 03-01 Pittsburgh Pirates 07 03 .700 1.0 7-3 Lost 1 03-02 04-01 St. Louis Cardinals 07 03 .700 1.0 7-3 Lost 1 04-02 03-01 New York Mets 05 04 .556 2.5 5-4 Won 1 02-03 03-01 Chicago Cubs 05 05 .500 3.0 5-5 Won 2 02-02 03-03 Montreal Expos 05 05 .500 3.0 5-5 Won 2 02-02 03-03 Florida Marlins 03 07 .300 5.0 3-7 Lost 1 02-04 01-03 AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road Texas Rangers 06 03 .667 -- 6-3 Lost 2 04-02 02-01 California Angels 05 03 .625 0.5 5-3 Lost 1 03-02 02-01 Chicago White Sox 05 04 .556 1.0 5-4 Won 2 02-03 03-01 Minnesota Twins 05 04 .556 1.0 5-4 Won 1 02-02 03-02 Oakland Athletics 04 04 .500 1.5 4-4 Lost 2 04-02 00-02 Seattle Mariners 04 05 .444 2.0 4-5 Lost 2 03-02 01-03 Kansas City Royals 02 08 .200 4.5 2-8 Lost 1 01-05 01-03 AMERICAN EAST Boston Red Sox 07 03 .700 -- 7-3 Lost 1 03-01 04-02 New York Yankees 06 04 .600 1.0 6-4 Won 1 03-01 03-03 Detroit Tigers 05 04 .556 1.5 5-4 Won 3 03-00 02-04 Toronto Blue Jays 05 04 .556 1.5 5-4 Lost 1 04-02 01-02 Cleveland Indians 04 06 .400 3.0 4-6 Won 1 03-01 01-05 Baltimore Orioles 03 06 .333 3.5 3-6 Won 2 01-02 02-04 Milwaukee Brewers 02 05 .286 3.5 2-5 Lost 4 00-02 02-03 YESTERDAY'S SCORES (IDLE teams listed in alphabetical order) NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE New York Mets 3 Chicago White Sox 9 Cincinnati Reds 1 Boston Red Sox 4 Florida Marlins 3 California Angels 1 Houston Astros 9 Baltimore Orioles 4 Philadelphia Phillies 1 Kansas City Royals 3 Chicago Cubs 3 Minnesota Twins 4 (10) Colorado Rockies 2 Seattle Mariners 0 Montreal Expos 3 Detroit Tigers 5 Pittsburgh Pirates 4 Toronto Blue Jays 1 Los Angeles Dodgers 7 Cleveland Indians 13 Atlanta Braves 0 Texas Rangers 3 San Francisco Giants 1 New York Yankees 5 St. Louis Cardinals 1 Oakland Athletics PPD San Diego Padres 5 Milwaukee Brewers RAIN -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS",9 " Yes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front. See, it just HOPS into the air! Figure.",8 "Hi... I'm new to this group, and maybe this has been covered already, but does anybody out there see the current emphasis on the environment being turned (unintentionally, of course) into pantheism? I've debated this quite a bit, and while I think a legitimate concern for the planet is a great thing, I can easily see it being perverted into something dangerous. As evidence, may I quote THE WALL STREET JOURNAL (of all things!), April 2 (Editorial page): ""We suspect that's because one party to the (environmental) dispute thinks the Earth is sanctified. It's clear that much of the environmentalist energy is derived from what has been called the Religious Left, a SECULAR, or even PAGAN fanaticism that now WORSHIPS such GODS as nature and gender with a reverence formerly accorded real religions."" (EMPHASIS MINE).",15 " (deletion)",0 "There is an interesting opinion piece in the business section of today's LA Times (Thursday April 15, 1993, p. D1). I thought I'd post it to stir up some flame wars - I mean reasoned debate. Let me preface it by saying that I largely agree that the ""Space Age"" in the romantic sense of several decades ago is over, and that projects like the space station miss the point at this time. Reading, for example, ""What's New"" - the weekly physics update we get here on the net - it's clear that the romance of the day lies in the ever more fine-grained manipulation of matter: by which I include biotechnology, condensed matter physics (with its spinoffs in computer hardware and elsewhere), and the amazing things people are doing with individual atoms these days. To a large extent, I think, the romance some people still have with space is a matter of nostalgia. I feel sure that someday we - or more precisely, our ""mind children"" - will spread across space (unless we wipe ourselves out); but I think that *manned* space exploration is not what is exciting about what we can do *now*. Anyway, let me quote some of this article, but not all... SPACE AGE GLORY FADES FROM VIEW Micheal Schrage (writer, consultant, and research associate at MIT) At 35, America's Space Age won't have to suffer through the angst of a midlife crisis. The reason is that the Space Age is already dead. The technologies no longer define our times, and the public has grown weary of the multibillion -dollar celestial investments that yield minimal psychic or economic rewards. Space exploration has mutated from a central focuse of America's science and technology debate into a peripheral issue. Speace is not a meaningful part of the ongoing industrial competitiveness debate, our technology infrastructure discussions or even our defense conversion policy. To be sure, America should continue to invest in satellite technologies for telecommunications and remote sensing - cheap deep-space probes would be nice too - but the ideal of space as a meaningful driver of scientific and industrial innovation is now dead. ..... Before the change in administrations, it would have been foolish to write an obituary for the Space Age. The Bush White House aggressively supported the space program and proposed spending well over $30 billion to build space station Freedom alone. Even as he proposed budget cuts in other science and technology domains, Office of Management and Budget Director Richard Darman was an outspoken public champion of big-ticket space expenditures. The reality that much of the civilian space program - from the shuttle to the Hubble telescope to the space station - was poorly conceived and unimpressively implemented did not seem to matter much. Political inertia and a nostalgic sense of futurism - not a coherent vision or cost-effective sensibilities - determined multibillion-dollar space budgets. Indeed, with few notable exceptions, such as Voyager, the post-Apollo era is the story of the gold-plated porkification of space exploration with programs and promises that delivered less for more and more. ...... While the Clinton Administration has kept on the highly regarded Daniel Goldin as administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, it seems clear that space exploration is not being positioned as either a symbolic or substantive centerpiece of America's technological prowess. The space station budget has - rightly - been slashed. Space is virtually ignored when the Administration champions its competitiveness agenda. ......",14 "Hey, I have some Star Trek Christmas Ornaments for sale. They are the the Hallmark Shuttle Craft Galileo. They went for $24.00 during christmas. I am willing to sell it for that price + shipping. If you are interested and have some questions, please reply... ",6 "Hello everyone, I was hoping someone could help me out. I'm writing a program for my astronautics class for assent of the shuttle into a low orbit. There are two things I'd like to know, First, how much time elapses between launch and the pitch over. Second, what is the cross-sectional area of the shuttle, srb's, and ext. tank. Thanks for any information, post or e-mail.",14 " Oops! Quite right. I got so busy that I saved Frank's last post back then, intending to respond when I could, and I sort of forgot. I'll try to do it soon if anyone's still interested, and probably even if they're not. Well, yes, maybe I am. I'm trying to have people buy and take on my opinions, thus causing said opinions to spread in time-honoured memetic virus mode until the world is a veritable paradise. So how about it, folks? As they say over here, You Know It Makes Sense. Cheers Simon",19 " Very well put. And, in the case of someone who calls himself a Christian brother yet continues in his sin (and claims that his sin is not a sin at all, but perfectly acceptable), what should be done? Should Christians just ignore a sinful lifestyle in order to not offend the person? By reaffirming that the lifestyle is sinful according to the Bible, are they using ""a bullwhip to drive people from Jesus""? Frankly, I find the occurance of a homosexual Christian attempting to pass himself off as a 'straight' Christian in order to have other Christians accept his chastisement better a *lot* more serious than people reaffirming that the Bible teaches homosexuality is a sin. ",19 "tes: A friend of mine who smoke pot every day and last Tuesday took 5 hits of acid is still having trouble ""aiming"" for the bowl when he takes a dump. Don't as me how, I just have seen the results. Boy, I really wish we we cut the drug war and have more people screwed up in the head. ",18 ":Judge: ""I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key : itself"" :You: ""The keyphrase is: ""I confess to deliberately evading copyright; : the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of : copyrighted Peanuts strips."""" :Judge and CP: ""Oh."" : How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or :can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will :they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal? Hm, could another court try you via a bypass of the double jeopardy amendment like they are doing in the LAPD trial? Ie your judge is a state judge, and then a federal judge retries you under the justification that its not the same trail. ",11 "The 4/100 prints out the following message about it's framebuffer cgtwo0 at vme24d16 0x400000 vec 0xa8 cgtwo0: Sun-3 color board, fast read Anybody know the story on this? -- - Can I have an IMPULSE ITEM instead?",5 ": I would like to get your opinions on this: when exactly does an engaged : couple become ""married"" in God's eyes? Some say that if the two have : publically announced their plans to marry, have made their vows to God, and : are unswervingly committed to one another (I realize this is a subjective : qualifier) they are married/joined in God's sight. The way I read Scripture, a couple becomes married when they are *physically* married, i.e. when they first have sexual intercourse. e.g. the end of Genesis 2 (quoted from memory) ``for this reason, a man shall leave his parents and be joined to his wife, and they will become one flesh'' (Jesus also quotes this scripture referring to marriage). If you read through Genesis in particular, you will often come across the phraseology: ``[man] lay with [woman], and she became his wife''. This implies that she became his wife when they lay together, i.e. at the point of intercourse. Compare this with Jewish tradition: Joseph, when he heard that Mary was pregnant, had it in mind to divorce her quietly -- but Mary and Joseph were *betrothed*, not married. i.e., they were in a binding relationship (which required a divorce to get out of), but *marriage* would not occur until Mary and Joseph went to bed together. Compare with Christ and the Church (Ephesians 5, Revelation 19): the church is described as the ``bride'' of Christ, but the *marriage* of the Lamb takes place when Jesus returns. i.e., we are in a binding love-relationship with Jesus, but we are still looking forward to the time when the marriage will take place. I see this as the spiritual equivalent of sexual intercourse, because it represents the most intimate fellowship possible between man and God. In summary, engagement should be honoured as a binding relationship, but it is not marriage. A civil ceremony is not marriage either. Marriage occurs at the point when the betrothed couple go to bed together. (I don't mean to demean the civil or church ceremony -- ours was great! I don't mean to be too pedantic.) Historically, I think I am correct in stating that the civil ceremony (i.e. a marriage recognised by the state), has only been around in the West since Napoleon, who introduced it to keep tabs on the people (although I'm ready to be corrected on that point!) This view obviously raises some questions: What about those who have had sex with one or more partners, without considering marriage. Are those people also ``married''? If it is true that marriage occurs at the point of intercourse, is it necessary to be married in the eyes of the state? (I would say Yes, because this honours the laws of our nations in the West. Although it is not illegal to sleep together though unmarried in most Western countries, I believe that it is God- honouring to proclaim our marriage to the state and to our friends before actually consummating our marriage. Its to do with our being salt and light, and also to do with how people will perceive us; i.e. it is culturally insensitive to declare yourself married without going through a civil ceremony.) -- ----- Michael Davis (cs89mcd@brunel.ac.uk)",15 " ",14 "Hi, I've just replaced my existing DTC SCSI controller with an Adaptec 1542B, and am now having trouble restoring from a Jumbo 250 tape drive. I had no trouble installing the Adaptec and DOS recognises both the SCSI drive and an existing IDE drive - however when I went to restore the backups from the Jumbo tape I found that it was extremely slow (estimated time 3 mins actual time 15 min!) I have no trouble restoring from the same tape to the IDE drive. I seem to remember reading that some settings had to be changed to enable the Jumbo drive and the Adaptec to work together but I can't find any mention of it in the manuals. My system config is: i486DX/33 4Mb Adaptec 1542B running 180Mb Fujitsu SCSI IDE Controller running 200Mb IDE Jumbo 250 running off floppy controller on IDE Any help would be appreciated Thanks, Ron. (ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.oz.au) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ron Mastus ronaldm@extro.ucc.su.oz.au 41 Mariposa Rd Phone +61 2 ???-???? (work) Bilgola Plateau 2107 +61 2 918-8152 (home) Australia -- ",3 " This is incorrect. This year the Pens had 61 games on ""free"" TV and 6 games on PPV. Next year they will have 62 games on free TV and 22 on a subscription basis. You actually get 1 more free game than last year, and there will be no more ""radio-only"" games. Its a good deal. Last year, everybody bitched about Baldwin ""breaking up the team"". Now, he goes out of his way to keep the nucleus of this team together and that takes money. He comes up with a creative way to generate more revenue so he can afford this team, and people bitch some more. Everybody wants something for nothing. Dean -- ",10 "I have just taken delivery on a new GM car (Firebird) with a clearcoat finish. I assume that it is probably urethane since the industry has moved in that direction in paints. In years past, it used to be recommended that owners wait up to 60 days before you wax a car, for the paint to ""cure."" The dealer shop manager said this also, but I'm not sure that he wasn't just basing it on past tradition. Does anyone know if this is still a recommended practice, or is it better to go ahead and wax right away (non-abrasive new car wax) with the newer finishes? ",7 "This is a repost of an earlier. Thanks to several of you for offering advise on realistic prices. MAC SE/ 2.5 megs ram, 20 meg hard disk, 800 K Floppy. In absolutely perfect condition. Includes Word 5, pagemaker, quark xpress, quicken and the latest versions of about a dozen other programs.",6 "Following a series of miscarriages, my wife was given a transfusion of my white cells. (The theory as I understand it is that there is some kind of immune blocking that prevents the body from attacking the pregnancy as it normally would a ""foreign"" body. Where this blocking is deficient, the body evicts the ""intruder"", resulting in a miscarriage. The white cells apparently enhance the blocking capability.) Following the transfusion, she successfully carried the next pregnancy to term, and Jake is now an active 9 month-old who cannot wait to walk. We're now thinking about having another child, but no one (including the OBGYN who supervised the first transfusion) really seems to know whether or not the transfusion process needs to be repeated for successive pregnancies. Is there anyone in net-land who has experience with this? Thanks...Gene (and Jane and Jake)",13 " Kevin Todd is an Oiler and has been one for months. How closely do you follow the Devils, anyway? Jeez....",10 " Thank you, Brad/Ali, for warning us about the dangers of propaganda. It's funny, though, coming from you. Who is it that executes these ""pin-point attacks"" on Israelis? The guys in the white hats or the ones in the black hats? Neither? You mean that they are just civilians, farmers, teachers, school children? Well, maybe they ARE terrorists, after all? And maybe that ""propaganda"" was correct, too? Hmm? ",17 "How many runs will be scored in Denver? I don't know. but some idea can be gotten by looking at the runs scored in Mile High Stadium during the last few years of the Bears/Zephyrs tenure in the American Association. Here's the total runs scored per game in Zephyrs games, all league games and the ratio. I found the same ratios for HR. Year rpg lea ratio hrpg lea ratio 1992 10.22 9.10 1.12 1.65 1.58 1.04 1991 9.53 8.87 1.07 1.41 1.26 1.12 1990 10.71 8.72 1.23 1.49 1.24 1.20 1989 9.07 8.34 1.09 1.27 1.11 1.14 1988 9.90 8.37 1.18 1.29 1.08 1.19 1987 12.55 10.70 1.17 2.39 1.92 1.24 1986 9.45 9.33 1.01 1.35 1.38 .98 1985 9.50 8.54 1.11 1.53 1.34 1.14 1984 9.99 9.10 1.10 1.55 1.59 .97 1983 10.60 9.99 1.06 2.03 1.74 1.17 1982 11.29 10.35 1.09 2.24 1.91 1.17 1981 10.29 9.25 1.11 1.43 1.49 .96 1980 10.59 9.43 1.12 1.63 1.46 1.12 1446/13-->1.11 1444/13-->1.11 It seems pretty clear that Denver will have a large effect on runs scored (I'll stick with my prediction from last year that it'll be one of the top 3 in the NL this year) and a fairly large effect on Homeruns - though apparently not as large as Atlanta, Wrigley, Cincinnati and San Diego. Still it ought to be a pretty decent home run park.",9 " I have just checked it and you have three files that are loaded: PROTMAN : 128 Bytes DRIVER : 9072 Bytes WORKGRP : 4416 Bytes No W4WG uses it's own drivers. Not that I know of, I bought two copies, had some problems with one installed both from the same copie, no problems. Do worry I just had a really old BIOS and that's the only problem I got. It will replace all older files (I think) and prompt you for the others. This I do not know... Hope this helps",2 " A cash award is OK. A time limit would be nice. You can't give away mining rights (assuming there's anything to mine) because you don't own them. ----------------------------------------------------------------- .sig files are like strings ... every yo-yo's got one.",14 "I have recently plunged into PC World. I have been using Amigas before. Trying to establish a network (LAN) here that could use 2 different printers. Panasonic KXP2124 for printing receipts and Okidata OL400 for letters etc. Is it at all possible in this world ? I know when using Unix etc I can specify which printer to print from. But I am not sure how PCs would handle that. If they can't then I guess I'll leave PeeeCeees for good and move on to Unix. ",3 " I've had exactly the same problems in Aldus Freehand. I think autotracing is one of those ""features"" that barely works, but everybody feels compelled to throw it in because the other guys are doing it. :) ",1 " Sorry to disappoint you but the Red Wings earned the victory...easily. I watched most of the game on ESPN (as soon as I realized that they were televising the game which was at the beginning of the second). The Maple Leafs were flat. Very flat. Meanwhile, the Red Wings were skating very freely and dictating the pace of the game. I didn't detect any bad penalty calls (Van Hellemond did his usual good job). Toronto looked like how I expected them to for their first playoff game in a few years -- nervous. For the Leafs sake, I hope they can rid themselves of the butterflies for game 2. If game 1 is indicative of the series, it's gonna go quick.",10 ": : THE HAMAS WAY of DEATH : : (Following is a transcript of a recruitment and training : videotape made last summer by the Qassam Battalions, the military As opposed to Israel's many ways of death. Using bombers and artillery against Lebanese towns and villages. Using fire arms and lethal variants of tear gas and *rubber coated* bullets against stone throwers. Using tanks and anti-tank missiles against homes after a 5 minute evacuation warning. Using Shin Bit's ""reasonable"" physical pressure in interrogation. And more. Not counting of course past practices such as the bombardment of Beirut in 1982, the bombing of the Egyptian school of Bahr-El-Bakar and the Abu-Za'bal factory in 1978, the downing of the Libyan airliner full of Egyptian passengers near the same time. Overseeing the Maronite massacre in Sabra and Shatilla. That is of course besides numerous massacres by Irgun and other gangs during the British mandate period. Ironically the same Op-Ed page in the NYT times from which the Naftaly copied this article was running another article next to it by A.M. Rosenthall blaming Bosnian Muslims for their own genocide by effectively saying that it is stupid to seek independence if independence will bring your people slaughter. But what else would one expect from Mr. Rosenthall who never wasted a chance to bash Arabs or Muslims.",17 " Some survey conducted by the U.S. government and some group (I don't know which) did what they were calling on all the news shows this morning, ""The most comprehensive survey of sexuality in the past 50 years"". Not an exact quote, but you get the idea. This low percentage is merely one more in a ton of evidence disproving the 10% theory.",18 " I would say there are also significant numbers of unscrupulous doctors (of the squeaky-clean, traditional crew-cut, talk to the AMA before starting any treatment, kind) who recommend treatments that, though ""accepted"", may not be necessary for the patient at the time. And all for making a quick buck. I would not be surprised if the cost of medical services in the U.S. is significantly inflated by these ""quacks of a different color"". In fact, I'd say these doctors are the most dangerous since they call into question the true focus of the medical profession. The AMA and the Boards should focus on these ""quacks"" instead of devoting unbelievable energy on 'search-and- destroy-missions' to pull the licenses of those doctors who are trying non- traditional or not fully accepted treatments for their desperate patients that traditional/accepted medicine cannot help. *************************************************** Now to make a general comment on many recent posts: *************************************************** Lately I've seen the word ""quack"" bandied about recklessly. When a doctor or doctor-wanna-be has decided to quit discussing any controversial medical subject in a civilized manner, all he/she has to do is say ""quack-quack"" and somehow they magically expect the readership of this newsgroup to roll over on their backs and pee-pee on themselves in obedience. What do they teach you in medical school - how to throw your authority around? Let me put it another way to make my point clear: ""quack"" is a nebulous word lacking in any precision. Its sole use is to obfuscate the issues at hand. The indiscriminate use of this word is a sure sign of incompetency; and coming from any medical doctor (or wanna-be), where competency is expected, is real scary. But what do I know, I've already been diagnosed by the sci.med.gods in this newsgroup as being 'anal retentive', and 'psychotic'. I look forward to more net.diagnoses. Hey, they're free. Jon ""Quacks 'R Us"" Noring (p.s., may I suggest - seriously - that if the doctors and wanna-be-doctors on the net who refuse to have an open mind on alternative treatments and theories, such as the ""yeast theory"", should create your own moderated group. You can call it sci.med.traditional.moderated or sci.med.AMA-approved, so you can keep anal-retentives like me out of it.) -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club.",13 " The federal government has mandated that all passenger cars by model year '95 return to the floor mounted dimmer switch. A study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has found that an unacceptable percentage of after dusk collisions were the direct result of unskilled drivers getting their left foot stuck in the steering wheel :-) -- Ron Gaskins c23reg@koptsw21.delcoelect.com Automotive Electronic Systems Delco Electronics GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 ",7 " I have to agree with you... the police may have carried it a bit too far but Rodney King was no angel either. And I don't think ANY guilty verdicts should have been returned. I'm sure you know why they handed down guilty verdicts on two of the officers. It's quite simple really, it was a compromise to avoid rioting in the places where minorities think it's right to riot. I hate to say this, but I would have liked to see them riot with everyone prepared. It would be open season if your skin was even slightly brown. Hey, my motto is, you don't fuck with me or my stuff and you don't get killed. It's just that simple. Tony ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Anthony S. Pelliccio, kd1nr/ae // Yes, you read it right, the // -- system @ garlic.sbs.com // man who went from No-Code // -----------------------------------// (Thhhppptt!) to Extra in // -- Flame Retardent Sysadmin // exactly one year! // ------------------------------------------------------------------- -- This is a calm .sig! --",18 " [...] These don't seem like ""little things"" to me. At least, they are orders worse than the motto. Do you think that the motto is a ""little thing"" that will lead to worse things?",0 "Some pixels on my PB 140 display disappear intermittently. They are not in a particular place but random. If anybody has suggestions I would appreciate e-mailings. Thanks. ",4 " Dyer, you're rude. Medicine is not a totallly scientific endevour. It's often practiced in a disorganized manner. Most early treatment of non-life threatening illness is done on a guess, hazarded after anecdotal evidence given by the patient. It's an educated guess, by a trained person, but it's still no more than a guess. It's cheaper and simpler to medicate first and only deal further with those people who don't respond. There are diseases that haven't been described yet and the root cause of many diseases now described aren't known. (Read a book on gastroenterology sometime if you want to see a lot of them.) After scientific methods have run out then it's the patient's freedom of choice to try any experimental method they choose. And it's well recognized by many doctors that medicine doesn't have all the answers. This person said that they had relief by taking the medicine. Maybe it's a miracle cure, maybe it's valid. How do you know? You might argue with the reasoning, the conclusions. But your disparaging attack is unwarranted. Why don't you present an convincing argument for you r beliefs, instead of wasting our time in an ad hominem attack.",13 " NPR's Morning Edition aired a report this morning (4/19) on Hispanic/Latin American players in MLB and how they have many of the same problems faced by black/negro/African American players when they first entered the league. However, although baseball has adjusted to the presence of black players, many Hispanic players still labor under the stereotype of being ""fireballs, hot blooded, flashy"". The report also emphasised that despite the rantings (my word) of Jessie Jackson about baseballs discrimination against black players in its upper echelons, baseball has actually done much better by black players than Hispanic players. Another interesting point was the language barrier problem. The reporter elaborated on an interview with Ruben Sierra which he gave in Spanish to a Spanish speaking newspaper reporter with the fact that there are maybe 2 major baseball writers that speak Spanish, despite the fact that Spanish is one of (if not the) easiest languages to learn, so easy that the author Cormac McCarthy learned Spanish at age 50 in order to research his book, _All The Pretty Horses_. Yet, few MLB organizations employ Spanish speaking personel, one of the exceptions being the Oakland A's. Another point: Nearly 90% of Latin American players have some African blood. Yet, most report that they'd never really felt black until playing ball in the US. Ironically enough, it is the early presence of Latin American baseball players in the Major Leagues that support the idea that baseball was integrated before the arrival of Jackie Robinson, as many ""light black"" or ""brown"", Latin Americans were incorporated into baseball. /S",9 " Except for the fact that there seems to be a lot of high scoring AL games also and I don't think the expansion teams directly affect them. K. Scott Day (kday@oasys.dt.navy.mil) Carderock Division, Naval Surface Warfare Center Code 1252 Bethesda, Maryland 20084-5000 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ * ""The point to remember is that what the government gives * it must first take away."" * -John S. Coleman ",9 "Hi, I am working on gathering data on the way that users use computers. This involves getting subjects to type and use a mouse. I want to be able to watch what they are doing without being in the same room. It would be ideal if I could watch the session on another monitor without the subjects knowledge. I believe that spliting the monitor cable will only work for short distances, ie <5m. I will need to be approx 10m away, as the cable travels. The PC's are connected to a TCP\IP network and run Windows 3.1. Is there any software that will allow me to watch what is happening on another PC? Thanks Regards Jon Gough TRUST Project ",2 "I'd appreciate it greatly if someone could E-mail me the following: (if you only know one, that's fine) 1) Specs for the 68040 (esp. how it compares to the Pentium) 2) Specs for the 68060 with estimated cost, release date, etc... I'm interested in speeds, systems it can run (Windows NT, RISC, or whatever), costs, bus info, register info. All the technical info. I am hoping that the 68040 can win yet another battle against the intel people. :) Thanks for any info you can give. Thanks.",4 "In <1r1om5$c5m@slab.mtholyoke.edu> jbotz@mtholyoke.edu (Jurgen Botz) Then it is a good thing we already have this: The csspub mailing list: csspab@mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov, and address on the clipper mailing list, seems to contain basically the members of the NIST security board. In addition to the names already posted, their true names are as follows: burrows@ecf = James Burrows a director of NIST's National Computer Systems Laboratory mcnulty@ecf = F. Lynn McNulty an associate director for computer security at the National Institute of Standards and Technology's Computer Systems Laboratory Gangemi@dockmaster.ncsc.mil = Gaetano Gangemi is director of the Security Basics by Deborah Russell and G. T. Gangemi, Sr. -1991, O'Reilly and Associates slambert@cgin.cto.citicorp.com = Sandra Lambert is vice-president of information security at Citibank, N.A. lipner@mitre.org = Lipner is Mitre Corp.'s director of information systems. gallagher@dockmaster.ncsc.mil = Patrick Gallagher, director of the National Security Agency's National Computer Security Center and a security board member walker@tis.com = Stephen Walker a computer security expert and president of Trusted Information Systems, Inc. in Glenwood, Md willis@rand.org = Willis H. Ware a the Rand Corp. executive who chairs the security board. whitehurst@vnet.ibm.com = William Whitehurst is a security board member and director of IBM Corp.'s data security programs. -- Harry Shapiro habs@panix.com List Administrator of the Extropy Institute Mailing List Private Communication for the Extropian Community since 1991 ",11 "// Hope I am in the right group! I'm using BC++'s ObjectWindows (version 3.1), // trying to get some date processed in a window object. However, when invoking // the window object, the calling program gives up the control to the window // object, and keeps executing the next statement. The source code may look // like the following: class MyWindow : public TWindow { ... }; void MyCallingProg(...) // Could the calling program be a C function? { ... MyWindow *MyWinObj; MyWinObj = new MyWindow(...); GetApplication()->MakeWindow(MyWinObj); MyWinObj->Show(SW_SHOWNORMAL);",2 " Also remember that every dollar spent keeping one spacecraft in safe mode (probably a spin-stabilized sun-pointing orientation) is a dollar not spent on mission analysis for a newer spacecraft. In order to turn the spacecraft back on, you either need to insure that the Ops guys will be available, or you need to retrain a new team. Having said that, there are some spacecraft that do what you have proposed. Many of the operational satellites Goddard flies (like the Tiros NOAA series) require more than one satellite in orbit for an operational set. Extras which get replaced on-orbit are powered into a ""standby"" mode for use in an emergency. In that case, however, the same ops team is still required to fly the operational birds; so the standby maintenance is relatively cheap. Finally, Pat's explanation (some spacecraft require continuous maintenance to stay under control) is also right on the mark. I suggested a spin- stabilized control mode because it would require little power or maintenance, but it still might require some momentum dumping from time to time. In the end, it *is* a political decision (since the difference is money), but there is some technical rationale behind the decision.",14 " Gerry Cheevers used to have a mask that had stitches painted all over it.",10 "One thing that everyone is forgetting in this argument over the pricing of the SC1 vs. the Japanese cars is the Saturns ""no-dicker sticker"". This makes the Saturn's price low in comparison to the inflated base prices of the Japanese competition on paper, but in reality, one could dicker several hundred dollars off the price of the Japanese cars. Admittedly, though, here in Canada, at least, the SC2 is in the same price class as the Civic Si, not the SC1.",7 " No. Plug the printer in the printer port, and the modem in the modem port. ;)",4 " I would suggest skipping olwm and getting olvwm instead. This version of the olwm window manager implements a virtual desktop that I find really handy even on large monitors. This version is also available at export.lcs.mit.edu:/contrib/olvwm3.tar.Z. The README file also suggest getting the files in /contrib/xview3. In my case, I built the X Server first, Xview second, then olvwm. All of these were installed into /usr/X5. Once I verified the server worked correctly, I happily issued ""rm -rf /usr/openwin/*"". Using gcc 2.3.3 to build all of the above resulted in a windowing system that is, for all intents and purposes, identical to OpenWindows 3.0 and that is incredibly faster. There is a bit of tweaking you will have to do if you want things to work _exactly_ like OpenWindows, but not much. ",5 "I have a genie garage door transmitter forsale, this unit is a three button station. will operate three different door or gate openers. Has never been used, normaly goes for $45.00 Im ask $20.00 + shipping. If interested please email me.",6 "I am running Windows 3.1, Windows for Work Groups and just loaded Dos 6. What`s happening appears as a graphics problem with File Manager. I've added some menubar buttons but there appears to be a gray boxed region that covers the top 2/3'rds of the button row. These buttons are in a row below the pulldown menus. the pulldown menus look fine, and the disk label region looks fine, but you only see the bottom few pixels of the task buttons. Anyone else experience this? Thanks. ",2 "As most of you know, we have recently changed our standard VESA local-bus video card from our own NCR-based card to the new Diamond Stealth 24 VLB card for packages 2, 3, and 4 (package #1 still has the NCR ""screamer'). We also have added the $149 upgrade from the Stealth 24 or NCR to the Diamond Viper to our product list. Below are the comparisons of the different cards in the configurations we will offer: NCR Stealth 24 VLB Viper VLB 64Ox480 Colors 16,256 16,256,32K,64K,16.7M 16,256,32K,64K,16.7M * 8OOx6OO Colors 16,256 16,256,32K,64K 16,256,32K,64K * 1024x768 Colors 16,256 16,256 16,256 1280x1024 Colors 16 16 16 Video Processor NCR 77C22E+ S3 86C805 Weitek Power 9000 Video RAM 1M 1M 1M Max RAM addressable by Vid Processor 3M 2M 2M RAM Type DRAM DRAM VRAM User RAM Upgrade? No (no sockets) No (no sockets) Yes (thru Diamond) 64Ox480 Refresh 60-72 Hz 60-72 Hz 60-72 Hz 8OOx6OO Refresh 56-72 Hz 56-72 Hz 56-72 Hz 1024x768 Refresh 44-70 Hz 43-72 Hz 43-72 Hz 128Oxl024 Refresh 43 Hz 43-60 Hz 43-74 Hz 26 pin VESA Feature Connector No Yes No Conflict with x2E8 port addr (COM4) No YES* No* Drivers for: Win 3.1 Yes Yes Yes ACad 9/10/11 Yes Yes Yes ACad 12 No Yes** Yes** VESA Yes Yes Yes OS/2, WinNT NO*** NO*** NO*** Win 3.1 WINMARKS 10.5M**** 21 M**** 50M**** ^L * Viper VLB with 2M of video RAM also gives 8OOx6OO 16.7M, 1024x768 32K & 64K, and 1280xl 024 256 color. S3-based cards, since they are downward compatible, will have the conflict with 2E8. Diamond admits conflict will exist with the Stealth 24. The prelim Viper manual incorrectly lists the S3 port addresses. No conflict. ** AutoCAD 12 drivers are now currently available for Stealth, SpeedSTAR 24X, Stealth 24 VLB, and Viper VLB. They can only be obtained from Diamond Tech Support, 408-736-2000 and NOT on any BBS. ** OS/2 2.0 is supported for Standard VGA for all cards. SVGA drivers available in the near future. Windows NT is not released yet, and no drivers are available currently. Diamond hopes to have all current products supported in the Win NT release, on the NT disks.",3 "For Sale: One Boss Turbo Overdrive Pedal for guitar, bass, or keyboards--$35 or best offer. Thanks!! Respond to hw26 or call 268-4841. ",6 "From: ""dan mckinnon"" I have lurked here a bit lately, and though some of the math is unknown to me, found it interesting. I thought I would post an article I found in the Saturday, April 17, 1993 Toronto Star: 'CLIPPER CHIP' to protect privacy Politics is of course Dirty Pool, old man, and here we have a classic example: the NSA and the administration have been working on this for a *long* time, and in parallel with the announcement to us techies, we see they're hitting the press with propoganda. It's my bet the big magazines - Byte, Scientific American, et all - will be ready to run with a pre-written government-slanted story on this in the next issue. ('Just keep us some pages spare boys, we'll give you the copy in time for the presses') We *must* get big names in the industry to write well argued pieces against this proposal (can you call it that when it's a de facto announcement?) and get them into the big magazines before too much damage is done. It would be well worth folks archiving all the discussions from here since the day of the announcement to keep all the arguments at our fingertips. I think between us we could write quite a good piece. Now, who among us carries enough clout to guarantee publication? Phil? Don Parker? Mitch Kapor?",11 "My sister has an MGB. She has one from the last year they were produced (1978? 1979?). Its in very good shape. I've been bugging her for years about selling it. I've said over and over that she should sell it before the car is worthless while she maintains that the car may actually be increasing in value as a result of its limited availability. Which one of us is right? Are there MGB affectionados out there who are still willing to pay $6K to 8K for an old MG? Are there a lot out in the market? -- ",7 " This is one of the differences between OT prophecy and NT prophecy. In the NT, it is expected that when believers gather, - people will prophesy - the prophecy must be judged (1 Cor 14:29) There is nothing about killing someone who makes a mistake. Scripture is scripture; there is no ""gift of scripture"". And I don't know about you, but I know that _I_ have made mistakes while filled with the spirit. If you don't give grace to allow people to make mistakes, they will never grow in the use of the spiritual gifts! When we minister in my small group, I encourage people to speak out any impressions or images they think might be from the Lord. Only by trying will they know whether they were right or wrong -- and in either case, they'll have a better handle on it the next time. Didn't you fall when you were learning to ride a bicycle? But you kept on trying, and you learned both from your failures and your successes. Spiritual gifts are no different -- you get better with experience. The canon of Scripture is complete. Does this mean that God no longer speaks? I have heard his voice -- not audibly (though some have), but clearly nonetheless. Is what I heard equivalent to Scripture? No. I have never heard contemporary prophets claim that what they receive from the Lord is on the same level as Scripture; on the contrary, those who are mature obey the Scriptures by submitting their prophecies to fellow believers for judgement. And the most reliable yardstick for judging prophecies is, certainly, the Scriptures themselves. The canon is closed -- but God is not silent! Does it matter what it is called? The question is not how to label it, but how to receive it. Words of knowledge, incidentally, are similar to prophecy (and sometimes the two overlap), but generally it is supernatural knowledge of some fact that could not be known otherwise.",15 ,19 " COD is fine until the buyer opens the box to find they paid 150.00 for a brick. Or if it the seller allows for a personal check to be used on a COD it's fine till a stop payment is made. There are few methods to protect both buyer and seller in any sort of transaction. Even with merchants and customers there are problems...stolen credit cards, chargebacks, no return policies and getting the wrong item, etc. About the only protection available to to do business with someone you trust....someone who has been around for a while. Jeff ________________________________________________________________________",6 " [stuff about changing windows registration omitted] ",2 " And does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of His coming, not even the angels in Heaven but only the Father Himself? DK was trying to play God by breaking the seals himself. DK killed himself and as many of his followers as he could. BTW, God did save the children. They are in Heaven, a far better place. How do I know? By faith. God be with you,",19 " Here's one I remember: (sort of) Yogi's asleep in a hotel room late at night and gets a call from someone. After he answers the phone the person at the other end asks if he woke Yogi up. Yogi answered, ""No, the phone did.""",9 " Yes. Look up XV_DEPTH. Also, you might want to try using XView colormap segments instead of Xlib for your colormap stuff. They will probably be easier for you to use, and since you are using a TrueColor visual, you won't be losing anything compared to straight Xlib. ",5 " Sooner than you expect. Remember 'Cyprus'? Too bad. In fact, by 1942, Nazi Armenians in Europe had established a vast network of pro-German collaborators, that extended over two continents. Thousands of Armenians were serving the German army and Waffen-SS in Russia and Western Europe. Armenians were involved in espionage and fifth-column activities for Hitler in the Balkans and Arabian Peninsula. They were promised an 'independent' state under German 'protection' in an agreement signed by the 'Armenian National Council.' (A copy of this agreement can be found in the 'Congressional Record,' November 1, 1945; see Document 1.) On this side of the Atlantic, Nazi Armenians were aware of their brethrens alliance. They had often expressed pro-Nazi sentiments until America entered the war. In summary, during World War II Armenians were carried away with the German might and cringing and fawning over the Nazis. In that zeal, the Armenian publication in Germany, Hairenik, carried statements as follows:[1] ""Sometimes it is difficult to eradicate these poisonous elements (the Jews) when they have struck deep root like a chronic disease, and when it becomes necessary for a people (the Nazis) to eradicate them in an uncommon method, these attempts are regarded as revolutionary. During the surgical operation, the flow of blood is a natural thing."" Now for a brief view of the Armenian genocide of the Muslims and Jews - extracts from a letter dated December 11, 1983, published in the San Francisco Chronicle, as an answer to a letter that had been published in the same journal under the signature of one B. Amarian. ""...We have first hand information and evidence of Armenian atrocities against our people (Jews)...Members of our family witnessed the murder of 148 members of our family near Erzurum, Turkey, by Armenian neighbors, bent on destroying anything and anybody remotely Jewish and/or Muslim. Armenians should look to their own history and see the havoc they and their ancestors perpetrated upon their neighbors... Armenians were in league with Hitler in the last war, on his premise to grant them self government if, in return, the Armenians would help exterminate Jews...Armenians were also hearty proponents of the anti-Semitic acts in league with the Russian Communists. Mr. Amarian! I don't need your bias."" Signed Elihu Ben Levi, Vacaville, California. [1] James G. Mandalian, 'Dro, Drastamat Kanayan,' in the 'Armenian Review,' a Quarterly by the Hairenik Association, Inc., Summer: June 1957, Vol. X, No. 2-38. Serdar Argic",17 "Looking for PostScript or Tex version of a paper called: ""PUBLIC-KEY CRYPTOGRAPHY"" Written by: James Nechvatal Security Technology Group National Computer Systems Laboratory National Institute of Standards and Technology Gaithersburg, MD 20899 December 1990 The version I obtained is plain text and all symbolic character formatting has been lost. ",11 " Unless God admits that he didn't do it.... =) --- "" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too.""",19 "Thanks to whoever posted this wonderful parody of people who post without reading the FAQ! I was laughing for a good 5 minutes. Were there any parts of the FAQ that weren't mentioned? I think there might have been one or two... Please don't tell me this wasn't a joke. I'm not ready to hear that yet...",0 "Have you ever met a chemist? A food industry businessman? You must personally know a lot of them for you to be able to be so certain that they are evil mosters whose only goal is to inflict as much pain and disease as possible into the general public. Gimme a break. person who is very sensitive to msg and whose wife and kids are Because it makes the food TASTE BETTER! Why does it put salt in food? Same reason. Obviously. Of course not! (Although I would think that a person like you would be a big fan of such recycling if that were the case). On occasion that's probably the case, but in general the idea is that MSG improves the flavor of certain foods. No. No. Obviously. As I recall, these are natural by-products of heating up certain foods. They don't ""put it in there"". have a number of criteria in choosing how to process food. They want to make it taste good, look good, sell for a good price, etc. The fact that they use it tells me that THEY think that it contributes to those goals they are interested in. One of those goals is NOT ""making people sick"". Such a goal woud quickly drive them out of business and for no benefit. Warning of what? In California there is a law requiring that ANYTHING which contains a carcinogen be labeled. That includes every gasline pump, most foods, and even money cleaning machines (because Nickel is a mild carcinogen). The result is that now nobody pays any attention to ANY of the warnings. Why? What if not 30% of people wanted to buy this ugly, rotten, not-as-tasty food? I guess it will just be wasted, huh? How terribly efficient. Because it makes food look better. I LIKE food that looks good. If vitamin companies want to do that it is fine, but who are you to tell THEM how to make vitamins? Who are you to tell ME whether I should buy flavored vitamins for my kids (who can't swallow the conventional ones whole). How do you define ""junk""? Is putting ""salt"" in food bad? What about Pepper? What about alcohol as a preservative? What about sealing jars with wax? What about vinegar? You seem to think that ""chemicals"" are somehow different than ""food"". The fact is that all foods are 100% chemicals. You are just expressing an irrational prejudice against food processing.",13 " This is silly. Is Unix a mature OS? Depends on who you ask, and how you define mature. System 7 is, if anything, less mature than Windows 3.1. So why do you need something like BeHierarchic to create groups under the Apple Menu? Everyone knows that Apple Menu Items are a ripoff of the Program Manager. If you want a hierarchic program launcher there are lots available. And this is easy on a Mac? Give me a break. Having spent hours moving System Extensions around and restarting the Mac to see why a certain app crashes all the time, I find this laughable. Oh great. Ever hear of aliases? Wonder why Apple implemented them. Eh?? I don't follow. Why is it that I find the Mac desktop incredibly annoying whenever I use it? Yeah right. You post flame bait, yet ask for no flames. -- ",2 "Let's look at the effects of inflation on 1930's superstars' salaries. I read once that the Babe made $80,000 one year and that was about as good as it got for him. Let's assume he made that in 1928 (I'm not sure of the figures, but I know I'm in the ballpark--pun intended). :-) Today, assuming a 4% yearly inflation rate, which is an understatement if not accurate, his measly $80,000 salary would be worth. FV = $80,000 x (1+4%)^(1993-1928) = $80,000 x (1.04)^65 = just over $1,000,000. Assuming inflation is average of around 5%. FV = $80,000 x (1+5%)^65 = almost 2,000,000. (I didn't crunch these numbers beforehand). These numbers might lead one to believe that today's players are slightly overpaid. The Babe appears to have made then what today's average to above average players make now. Perfectly accurate salary, year of salary, and average inflation rate would make this analysis more accurate, but I don`t think I'm off by much. Chop Chop Michael Mule' ",9 "FM-2 has been sold. Following remains:",6 "How about this: The TelCo has your Clipper key. The TelCo has your intended partner's key, if he is using one. Whenever you call, the message gets decrypted and reencrypted wihtout y key exchange. I know it's a stupid system, but for the feds, it'd be great. The point of this isn;t to take over the crypto market, BTW. Clinton doen not want people to have any sort of crypto at all (just like Busch). But he needs some support for the ""technology initiative"" garbage he's pushing (industrial policy stuff) and a computer hip designed by the gov't is just the thing. Who's going to thing about the (literal) Billions of Dollars it took for a government agency to design?",11 " Pity you didn't say something about the use of statistics to justify targeting and persecuting a minority, then. What in the Tree makes you think we queers CAN'T experience that commitment? What's stopping us from committing to one partner for the rest of our lives? I have every intention of doing so, once I find the right person...and whether that person is male or female, I seriously doubt that a church ceremony/public vow/licence will make any difference whatsoever in the sort of commitment I experience with that person. You have no conception of the difference marriage makes since you have never known any other way. You're getting to the right idea here...just be careful of making statements like the above, and you'll be part of the solution and not the problem. No flames necessary. :) Drywid",18 "I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja. This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride (read: farther than around the block :-). We'll be riding some twisty, fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans). This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go? I want her to hold onto me :-) rather than the grab rail out back, and I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're turning so she leans *with* me, but what else? Are there traditional signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.??? I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated... Thanks, -Bob-",8 " Still living in an alternate universe? Numerous articles in major newspapers (London Times) and periodicals (Newsweek) during the war, had suggested the existence of a significant collaboration between Armenians and the Nazis. Arthur Derounian deserves credit for being the first person to deal with this issue extensively. Derounian's motives were twofold: his deeply held democratic convictions gave him a sense of duty and he felt obliged to shed light on this yet another dark chapter of Armenian history. Concurrently, Derounian embarked on what one would call 'crisis control' or face-saving. In order to forestall any potential attacks on the larger Armenian community in the United States, he marginalized collaboration as deplorable but insignificant.[1] [1] John Roy Carlson (real name Arthur Derounian), 'The Plotters,' E. P. Dutton & Company, Inc., New York 1946, p. 182. Source: ""Mitteilungsblatt, Berlin, December 1939, Nr. 2 and 5-6"" Yet another historical fact: a fact that for years has been deliberately forgotten, concealed, and wiped from memory - the fact of Armenian-Nazi collaboration. A magazine called Mitteilungsblatt der Deutsch-Armenischen Gesselschaft is the clearest and most definite proof of this collaboration. The magazine was first published in Berlin in 1938 during Nazi rule of Germany and continued publication until the end of 1944. Even the name of the magazine, which implies a declaration of Armenian-Nazi cooperation, is attention-getting. This magazine, every issue of which proves the collaboration, is historically important as documentary evidence. It is a heap of writing that should be an admonition to world opinion and to all mankind. In Nazi Germany, Armenians were considered to be an Aryan race and certain political, economic, and social rights were thus granted to them. They occupied positions in public service and were partners in Nazi practices. The whole world of course knows what awaited those who were not considered ""Aryan"" and what befell them. Now wait, there is more. Source: ""From Sardarapat to Sevres and Lausanne"" by Avetis Aharonian. The Armenian Review, Vol. 16, No. 3-63, Autumn, Sep. 1963, pp. 47-57. p. 52 (second paragraph). ""Your three chiefs, Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian are the ringleaders of the bands which have destroyed Tartar villages and have staged massacres in Zangezour, Surmali, Etchmiadzin, and Zangibasar. This is intolerable. Look - and here he pointed to a file of official documents on the table - look at this, here in December are the reports of the last few months concerning ruined Tartar villages which my representative Wardrop has sent me. The official Tartar communique speaks of the destruction of 300 villages."" p. 54 (fifth paragraph). ""Yes, of course. I repeat, until this massacre of the Tartars is stopped and the three chiefs are not removed from your military leadership I hardly think we can supply you arms and ammunition."" ""...it is the armed bands led by Dro, Hamazasp and Kulkhandanian who during the past months have raided and destroyed many Tartar villages in the regions of Surmali, Etchmiadzin, Zangezour, and Zangibasar. There are official charges of massacres."" Serdar Argic",17 " i'm telling you, sam, three l's. call up mom and ask.",9 " I thought I posted this last year. The women came to court with three witnesses; the two women that were in the car and one neighbor that heard me shouting. My lawyer didn't like the odds since there were multiple complaints both ways and the judge had a history of finding everyone guilty of at least something, so he convinced us (she came without a lawyer) to drop everything. The net result was a $500 laywer bill for me and $35 court costs for her. The only consolation was that she had trouble scraping together the $35 while $500 is not quite one week's beer money for me...",8 "Has anyone experienced problems formatting a system floppy in the File Manager under DOS 6? I get a formatted disk but when I boot with it, my hard drive isn't recognized. I did install DoubleSpace. Also, I *was* able to make a good-working system floppy from the DOS 6 command shell (no Windows). Let me know if you've had this problem too and if you've heard what's going on. -- ",2 "}>More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make }>their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside }>of their group or level of understanding. There seems to be some confusion between rednecks and white trash. The confusion is understandable, as there is substantial overlap between the two sets. Let me see if I can clarify: Rednecks: Primarily use their backs instead of their minds to make a living. Usually somewhat ignorant (by somebody's standards, anyway) because they have never held education above basic reading/writing/math skills to be that important to their eventual vocation. Note I did not say stupid, just ignorant. (They might be stupid, but then so are some high percentage of any group). White trash: ""White trash fit the stereotype referred to by the word 'nigger' better than any black person I ever met, only with the added 'bonus' that white trash are mean as hell."" -- my father. Genuinely lazy (not just out of work or under- qualified), good-for-nothing, dishonest, white people who are mean as snakes. The ""squeal like a pig"" boys in _Deliverance_ may or may not have been rednecks, but they were sure as hell white trash. White trash are assuredly intolerant of anything outside of their group or level of understanding. Rednecks may or may not be.",8 "[reply to geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)] I think a case could be made that this is discriminatory, particularly if an applicant had good board scores and recommendations but wasn't offered an interview, but I don't know if it has ever gone to court.",13 " ARGHHHHHHHHHh READ THE MEMOS!!!! I said that I PERSONALLY had other people order the EXACT SAME FOOD at TWO DIFFERENT TIMES from the SAME RESTAURANT and the people that ordered the food for me did NOT TELL ME which time the MSG was in the food and which time it was not in the food. ONE TIME I HAD A REACTION ONE TIME I DID NOT THE REACTION CAME THE TIME THE MSG WAS IN THE FOOD THAT WAS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE SAME RESTAURANT - SAME INGREDIENTS!!! I eat lots of Chinese food - I LOVE Chinese food. I've just learned the following IF I get food at one of the restaurants that DOES NOT USE MSG or IF I prepare the food myself without MSG or IF I order the food from a restaurant that will hold the MSG (and I never get soup unless it's from a restaurant that cooks without the MSG) I DO NOT GET A REACTION!!!! OKAY DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!! I GET A REACTION FROM MSG I DO NOT GET A REACTION WHEN THERE IS NO MSG If you're having trouble understand this, please tell me which of the words you do not understand and I'll look them up in the dictionary for you. -- The great secret of successful marriage is to treat all disasters as incidents and none of the incidents as disasters. -- Harold Nicholson",13 "This is an all-point team for the Canadian NHLers who are not playoff bound... GOALIES Bill Ranford, Edmonton Sean Burke, Hartford Peter Sidorkiewicz, Ottawa DEFENSEMEN Zarley Zalapski, Hartford Norm MacIver, Ottawa Garry Galley, Philadelphia Greg Hawgood, Philadelphia Dave Manson, Edmonton Mark Tinordi, Minnesota CENTERS Mark Messier, N. Y. Rangers Geoff Sanderson, Hartford Brian Bradley, Tampa Bay Rod Brind'Amour, Philadelphia LEFT WINGS Adam Graves, N. Y. Rangers Chris Kontos, Tampa Bay Patrick Poulin, Hartford Shayne Corson, Edmonton RIGHT WINGS Pat Verbeek, Hartford Russ Courtnall, Minnesota Mike Gartner, N. Y. Rangers Kevin Dineen, Philadelphia",10 " You might try the recorder and make a micro. I done that to do certain operations in a windows app that didn't have the ability to use a micro. It should be in the Accessories window. The only problem is that it has to be runing for it to work. But, Good Luck. ",2 ,1 " So, your opinion is truth. I see... :-) You can believe that if you wish. It is undeniable, however, that people have left the compound unharmed and alive earier in the standoff. And since their leader was preaching that they would have an apocalypse, you can not say undeniably that there wouldn't have been a mass suicide if the FBI had simply stayed outside and waited another 51 days. I am the heartless bleeding heart? You are not making sense. You seem to have no concern that someone would keep children inside this compound when they had 51 days to let them out. That sounds pretty heartless to me. I just heard on the news that some of the survivors regret they hadn't stayed in the inferno to prove their loyalty to Koresh. This makes me sad and sick. Have you ever heard of Jonestown? The sad thing is the people inside the compound were the authority worshipers and their only authority was Koresh/Howell. If these people were able to think for themselves, there would likely be a lot more survivors today. Koresh preached a fiery apocalypse as early as last year. By all means, the FBI should be investigated, too. BTW, I thought the second ammendment was God. :-) ",16 " If you need just to change the wallpaper, then I've written a short program in VB that does this by using SystemParametersInfo-function. The bad news is that you need VBRUN200.DLL to run it, and the DLL is some 350kb (the program is about 7kb). The order of pictures depends on the system date and the number of BMP-files in the directory, so the picture remains the same if you execute the program multiple times during the same day and the number of BMPs has not changed. If you feel this is what you need then I could uuencode it and email it to you. (It is unavailable via ftp.) ",2 "Hi everyone, I'm a commited Christian that is battling with a problem. I know that romans talks about how we are saved by our faith not our deeds, yet hebrews and james say that faith without deeds is useless, saying' You fools, do you still think that just believing is enough?' Now if someone is fully believing but there life is totally lead by themselves and not by God, according to Romans that person is still saved by there faith. But then there is the bit which says that God preferes someone who is cold to him (i.e. doesn't know him - condemned) so a lukewarm Christian someone who knows and believes in God but doesn't make any attempt to live by the bible. Now I am of the opinion that you a saved through faith alone (not what you do) as taught in Romans, but how can I square up in my mind the teachings of James in conjunction with the lukewarm Christian being 'spat-out' Can anyone help me, this really bothers me. In Christ, Will ",15 "[reply to dufault@lftfld.enet.dec.com (MD)] Infantile spasms have been well understood for quite some time now. You are seeing a pediatric neurologist, aren't you? If not, I strongly recommend it. There is a new anticonvulsant about to be released called felbamate which may be particularly helpful for infantile spasms. As for learning more about seizures, ask your doctor or his nurse about a local support group.",13 " ]The ""corrupted over and over"" theory is pretty weak. Comparison of the ]current hebrew text with old versions and translations shows that the text ]has in fact changed very little over a space of some two millennia. This ]shouldn't be all that suprising; people who believe in a text in this manner ]are likely to makes some pains to make good copies. Tell it to King James, mate. ]C. Wingate + ""The peace of God, it is no peace, ] + but strife closed in the sod. ]mangoe@cs.umd.edu + Yet, brothers, pray for but one thing: ]tove!mangoe + the marv'lous peace of God."" ",0 "From Kay Honda's ""Helpful HInts ABout Your Honda"" infromation sheet (given to new owners of Honda vehicles). ""A burning smell may be evident from your new car shortly after taking delivery."" --I now own a fire extinguisher;>-- ""On Prelude S mels at temperatures above 32 degrees push the accelerator pedal to the floor one time, release slowly, and with your foot off the accelerator, crank the engine until it starts. Moe than 5 seconds [!!!!!!! my note] of cranking may be required. In temperatures below 32 degrees the accelerator will have to be depressed 2-3 times."" ""Door panels and interior trim can be damaged if they are not buckled by getting caught when closing doors."" ""When shifting accord automatic transmissions from Park Neutral, or Reverse into Drive the transmission shifts into 3rd gear."" ""In case of towing: 1- Start the engine 2- Shift into drive from Park, then from Drive to neutral 3- Turn off engine"" --what if you are getting towed b/c engine won't run?-- ""IF ENGINE DOES NOT RUN DO NOT USE THIS PROCEDURE!"" --Phew, I was worried!-- Insert smilies where appropriate, though this is REAL. Jonathan",7 " About a year ago, some kids tossed a rock off an overpass on I-94 near Eau Claire, Wisconsin and it killed the driver below. (I believe he was a schoolteacher from Minnesota.)",7 Anyone have the AL individual stats or where i can find them?,9 "Center for Policy Research writes... Your comparison with the Warsaw Ghetto uprising is insulting, and racist beyond belief. The attempts to quiet any violence in the Gaza Strip are just that. The efforts to quell murder and mayhem in the Gaza strip were the resluts of violence and came AFTER the violence. It was not an arbitrary racial move like the nazi treatment of Jews. Jews had NOT committed acts of violence and murder as have the residents of Gaza. I find your eagerness to ignore the acts of murder nothing more than anti-Israel bigotry. It is NOT punishment, but protection from repeated attacks by residents of Gaza. You self-servingly omit any references to WHY Israel has had to take action. Apparaently the deaths of innocent Israeli civilians do not enter into your equation, a racist ommission on your part. The right of Israel to protect its citizens from murderers is also recognized by international law. Israeli civilians have been getting stabbed to death on a daily basis. If this wave of murder does not matter to you, then your posturing for the basic human rights you claim matter so much to you is nothing but an anti-Israel charade. Do you know of residents of Gaza who have applied for Israeli citizenship and were denied? I have heard of no such denials taking place. Can you document this, or is this more of your stupid and innacurate propaganda? The truth is that if Gazan residents applied for citizenship, HAMAS would murder them as collaborators. Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in How dare you use such a disgusting phrase. How very easy you attack a people, when you omit facts which fly in the face of your pure racism. Perhaps you are judging a people to be the racists that you are. Do you believe that all Jews must have the same bigoted makeup as you? Here's another little fly in your ointment, about the 'master race,' for you to avoid... Two months ago a plane with 86 Bosnian Muslims left Bosnia to seek asylum in the middle east. Four Arab nations refused to grant them asylum. Then when Israli Arabs agreed to take the responsibility for them, they were allowed into Israel. Yes, Israel. But when the plane landed, the Israeli Arabs who had previously agreed to take care of them refused to be involved with the rescue project, because they felt that it would make Israel look good. It was more important to avoid any good PR for Israel than to take care of fellow Muslims. Israel moved them to a kibbutz, where they are safe and secure. The truth is that time after time the Islamic world has turned its back on Muslims in need more than Israel has. Even in the case of the 400 deportees, Lebanon was willing to let their so-called Arab brothers freeze to death rather than give them sanctuary in Lebanon. Nearly twice as many Palestinians have been murdered by other Palestinians than in confrontations with Israel. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians had been deported from Kuwait, just because they were Palestinian. The truth is that your phoney concern for the welfare of the Palestinians is nothing but an excuse to attack Israel. You are part of the ignorant effort to confine all concern for the welfare of the Palestinians to attacking Israel. But the truth is there are greater reasons than Israel for the plight of the Palestinians. To disregard Jordan or Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or any of the other oil-rich nations who do nothing for these people, is to use the plight of these poor people as a vehicle for your hatred of Jews, or your hatred of Israel. Anti-semitism and anti-Zionism is NOT the same as pro-Palestinian and anyone who insists that it is the same really does not give two hoots for their welfare. Your pathetic analogy is so absent of relevant fact that your racism cannot be disguised. Jews had never declared war on a Polish people. Jews had never attacked Poles with knives, or had used the Ghetto as a staging ground for attacks. To take something like the Warsaw Ghetto(the creation of which you do not even bother to discuss!)and the uprising that followed is to degrade the dead, and to show that intelligent debate on a difficult situation is beyond your intellectual purview. You clearly have never even read a single word of the Covenant of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Here is arguably the single most anti-semitic genocidal document since Mein Kampf, yet it is totally disregarded in your rantings. Your racism is most evident in your eagerness to avoid such documentation. If it were considered, you might actually have to deal with mideast problems in a balanced manner, rather than in an anti-semitic manner. And just how was Gaza obtained? Do you forget that Israel is not in the habit of grabbing land for the hell of it, but had taken Gaza in a war that it did not start? Did you know land Israel captures in wars, wars which other nations have ALWAYS started, aren't the same as Israel, and they are subject to a completely different set of international laws? Since you do continuously refer to international law, would you please say what specific international laws Israel is violating? This attitude I can cite 6,000,000 reasons why it is not. Where is this quote? I have never heard Rabin assert that he wished such a thing. Since you are in general a liar, you'll have to provide the entire quote, with source, or this effort will be regarded as just another one of your fabrications. Only you are led to ask such a loaded, racist, intellectually dishonest question. You inability to come to terms with what you are has turned you into a racist of the highest order. Why do you not feel the same compassion for the Jews of Iran, or Iraq, or Yemen, or Saudi Arabia, or Syria? Do you have an inkling of what they have endured over the past decades? Or, what about the plight of the Palestinians in Kuwait? Or what about the treatment of the Bosnian Muslims? Do you think the residents of Gaza are being subjected to what all the Muslims in Bosnia are enduring? Why are you indifferent to the death and suffering of people? Why do you not care that these folk are being exterminated? Why do you not care that only Israel has given any of these people safe haven? Could it be due to the fact that it is not Israel who is doing the killing? The people in Gaza are not being exterminated. They aren't being killed. They aren't being raped. They aren't being starved. They aren't being driven from their lands. They are not kept from receiving food or other supplies. But the Bosnians are. And the ONLY country which has provided some sanctuary to the Bosnian Muslims is the same nation that you have devoted your life to attacking, in the guise of compassion. Your rantings are so unfettered by the burden of intellectual honesty that you ought to take a deep breath and ask yourself what your real motives are. Do not flatter yourself into the belief that truth or compassion are what drives you. In your case, it is clear that hate beats out love every time. Maybe you are burdened with some kind of guilt for having been born a Jew. It is obvious that your hatred of your own Judaism is being dumped on all other Jews. Why else would you suggest a racist idea like breeding Jews out of existence? Maybe these fits of anti-semitism are a result of being cut off from your own people for an extended period. Whatever the case may be, it is clear that you are not what you have labored so hard to appear to be. When you realize that you can't care for other people while you hate yourself you might actually begin to do some good.",17 " Okay, that's good. I'm typing this from exactly the same setup. (US-UNIX layout keyboard) I did install the sunkbd patch, though. Make sure you're using ""ssetroot"", which comes with tvtwm. When tvtwm starts up, it nukes the existing root window. Use an ""ssetroot"" after tvtwm starts up. (You could spawn off a ""(sleep 10; ssetroot ...)&"") You can also use ""VirtualDesktopBackgroundPixmap filename"" or just VirtualDesktopBackground if you just want another color besides grey. Did you install the sunkbd patch? It's in the contrib directory on export. All the keys on my keyboard send events properly, except the following: The End, PageUp, PageDown on the 6-key cluster aren't recognized. Even the compose key works. (Though I can't seem to get the composed characters in an xterm to get passed.) Anyone have a fix for the last two? --Dave",5 "Question for those familiar with Quadra VRAM: I put 2 256K VRAM SIMMs in my Quadra 700 (in the 2 slots closest to the RAM SIMM slots) and I got no results whatsoever. I have been told that the built-in video should support at least 16bit and maybe 24bit color on a Macintosh Color Display. However, the Monitors control panel still lists 8bit (256 colors) as the highest possible. Does it make any difference which slots you put the SIMMs in? Do you have to do something to activate them? Do you have to do something to the Monitors control panel? BTW, I am running System 7.1 with 8 Megs of RAM. ",4 "I am looking for Super 8mm Projector with SOUNDS. If anybody out there has one for sale, semd email with the name of brand, condition of projector, and price for sale to kimd@rpi.edu (IT MUST HAVE SOUND CAPABILITY)",6 "[stuff delete] Hear! Hear! I agree completely. One thing I can't stand about the Mac interface is its shear determination to FORCE you to use the mouse(what if your mouse breaks--your whole system is down!). I like the mouse--it is handy on some occassions such as cut and past and moving icons around, etc. But for most work, the keyboard and hot keys are 10-20 times faster than using the mouse. Sure it is a plus to be able to do something simple if you are an inexperienced user, but how long is it before your are experienced? A month? Two? (Speaking of PCs at the moment.) I don't think it is too much to ask that window programmers provide not only a menu/mouse interface but also look forward to those who would like to move on to hot keys and command line interfaces, which usually allows you to do more in less time IF you are experienced. All of the above equally applies to windowing systems on UNIX (especially since Unix is at least 500% more powerful than DOS). ",5 " If not for the lack of extraneously capitalized words, I'd swear that McElwaine had changed his name and moved to Cal Poly. I also find the choice of newsgroups 'interesting'. Perhaps someone should tell this guy that 'sci.astro' doesn't stand for 'astrology'? It's truly frightening that posts like this are originating at what are ostensibly centers of higher learning in this country. Small wonder that the rest of the world thinks we're all nuts and that we have the problems that we do. [In case you haven't gotten it yet, David, I don't think this was quite appropriate for a posting to 'sci' groups.] -- ""Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world."" -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden",14 " And some of us call them murderous bastards, but what's in a name. Just a damn minute! What history books did you read? I seem to recall that there were a few British, Canadian, American, and Commonwealth soldiers in France about that time. Perhaps you believe they were taking a vacation trip? Sure, the Lebanese want to get all foreigners out of the country so they can go back to killing each other off. REB ",17 " Hey Valentine, I don't see Boston with any world series rings on their fingers. Damn, Morris now has three and probably the Hall of Fame in his future. Therefore, I would have to say Toronto easily made the best signing. And don't tell me Boston will win this year. They won't even be in the top 4 in the division, more like 6th.",9 " do not pay $40 for floppy drives.. they are about $40 new. also, you do not need documentation for floppies. installation for these things are idiot proof. just some advice.. ",6 " Sorry to put a damper on your plans, but I was there three weeks ago and it wasn't there. Not that I would have known to look for it, of course, but I combed the space exhibits pretty thoroughly and something like that would have caught my attention instantly. ",14 " This isn't true. Today's criminals regularly use all sorts of unsafe methods, from cordless phones to cellular phones to plain old copper wire analog phones that you can put alligator clips on to plan and execute their crimes. It is amazing how stupid they are, which is why the FBI was so keen on the digital telphony law, and its successor the clipper chip. They're hoping here that most crooks will remain stupid, feel safe using clipper chip phones and get caught.",11 "I appreciate if anyone can point out some good books about the dead sea scrolls of Qumran. Thanks in advance.",15 " It isn't that rare, actually. Many cases that are called Parkinson's Disease turn out on autopsy to be SND. It should be suspected in any case of Parkinsonism without tremor and which does not respond to L-dopa therapy. I don't believe pallidotomy will do much for SND. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 "Does anyone know of an FTP site where I might find public domain software for the Motorola 68HC16 microprocessor? I am looking for a basic interpreter/compilier or a 'C' compiler. Thanks in advance. Ed Murashie ",12 " The docs say that it's a SCSI Manager bug, if this changes things at all...",4 " XC units are often pre-production sample devices. Those are normally distributed for evaluation as freebies and are not guaranteed to meet every spec. Yep, that's for sure...that's one thing I like most about Motorola.",12 " Darren> In an earlier article, I explained that what many people find Darren> arrogant about Christians is that some Christians profess Darren> absolute certainty about their beliefs and doctrines. and Darren> In short, the problem is that no matter how good your sources Darren> are, if any part of your doctrines or beliefs rest on your own Darren> thinking and reasoning, then those doctrines are suspect. The point that Darren raises is a very Lutheran viewpoint. While reason is a gift from God, it is also infected by sin. Yet we do not reject reason entirely--and neither, I think, does Darren. We need reason, as Darren himself has pointed out, to comprehend God's revelation of himself in the Bible. But reason alone is not sufficient to comprehend and believe the Word. We need, first and foremost, faith. For ""the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, *nor can it do so*"" (Romans 8:7). Luther accepted Scripture as the sole means of revelation (""Sola Scriptura""), but accepted the necessity of the use of reason (with faith) in comprehending that revelation. Yet Luther also said, regarding baptism, ""But mad reason rushes forth, and, because Baptism is not dazzling like the works which we do, regards it as worthless."" (Large Catechism, Fourth part, Baptism). To make matters more complicated, Luther was the sort of theologian that many people would describe as an `absolutist'. I've seen him described as a `take no prisoners' theologian. We might conclude, given these observations, that Luther was inconsistent or mad. And surely at least some have come to that conclusion. But it might be useful to recall that Jesus was also called mad. And Peter felt compelled to defend himself and the apostles against a charge of drunkenness on Pentecost. So we as Christians ought to be careful about rejecting Luther (or others) as mad. Rather, we should imitate the Bereans, who examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true (Acts 17:11). The basis for the confidence with which Luther, Peter, Paul, and many others preached the gospel was not just reason, but faith and the Holy Spirit. This is not faith divorced from reason, but a faith that guides, informs, and uses reason. The Spirit enables us to know the truth and to proclaim it boldly. God does not want us to preach the message that ""I think that Jesus might have risen from the dead"" but rather ""I know that my redeemer lives!"" (Job 19:25). The Christian does not side with Pilate in saying ""What is truth?"" but rather follows Christ, who said, ""In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me"" (John 18:37). We can know the truth because God has promised us that we can know the truth. Jesus said, ""If you hold to my teachings, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free"" (John 8:31,32). The Proverbs urge us ""Buy the truth, and do not sell it."" (Pr 23:23). The Psalmist prayed ""Do not snatch to word of truth from my mouth"" (Ps 119:43). Evidently he believed that the word of truth was in fact `in his mouth'. Yet we do indeed appear arrogant if our claim to the truth is motivated by self-glorification. But if we present the truth as the teachings of Scripture, revealed by the Spirit, and not our own invention, and if we stand ready to be proved wrong on the basis of Scripture, as Luther did, then we are not arrogant, but humble. We should humbly trust in God's promise of truth, just as we trust in his promise of forgiveness. REXLEX> It is only because of God's own revelation that we can be REXLEX> absolute about a thing. Darren> But how far does that get you? Once God's revelation stops, Darren> and your own reasoning begins, possibility for error appears. I agree that we must make a distinction between the clear teachings of Scripture, and the products of our own reason--even when such reasoning is based on Scripture. However I think I would draw the line of distinction more `reasonably' :-) and less `academically' than you would. Darren> For example, let's suppose that our modern Bible translations Darren> include a perfect rendering of Jesus words at the Last Supper, Darren> and that Jesus said, exactly, ""This is my body."" Darren> We'll presume that what he said was totally without error and Darren> absolutely true. What can we be certain of? Not much. Darren> At the moment he stops speaking, and people start Darren> interpreting, the possibility of error appears. Did he mean Darren> that literally or not? We do not have any record that he Darren> elaborated on the words. Was he thinking of Tran- or Con- Darren> substantiation? He didn't say. Darren is almost at the point of making a very Lutheran statement about the Lord's supper. The Lutheran approach is to say that if Jesus said, ""This is my body,"" then that is what we should believe. Other interpretations are rejected simply because they are not taught in Scripture. Recall that Jesus' words do not stand alone on this subject. We also have Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 11:17-34,--in which he passed on to us, what he received from the Lord. In particular he said, ""For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes."" By these words we should believe that the bread that we eat in the Lord's Supper really is bread (as well as the Lord's body)--as our senses in fact tell us. Does this *prove* that tran-substantiation is false? I suppose someone could say that Paul spoke metaphorically of the Lord's body as bread, simply because that is the way the body appears when we eat it. But this thought is found nowhere in Scripture. So we reject it. Thus the primary reason for rejecting tran-substantiation is not that we can prove it false, but that it is simply not found in Scripture. [side remark] I've been told that the Lutheran doctrine on real presence is con-substantiation. But it has been non-Lutherans who have told me this. We tend not to use the word. I almost think that this is used more by professors of comparative religion, who need labels to compare Catholic, Lutheran and Reformed teachings on the Lord's Supper. But almost every church wants to call their own teaching ""real presence"" because that was the traditional teaching of the church. [end side remark] Darren> When Christians speak as if they believe their own reasoning Darren> can never lead them astray -- when we implicitly claim that we Darren> are infallible -- the non- Christians around us rarely believe Darren> that implicit claim. Witnessing is hardly going to work when Darren> the person you are talking to believes that you are either too Darren> foolish to recognise your own limits, or intentionally trying Darren> to cover them up. This is precisely why Christians should not rely on rationalizations in their witnessing. It is far better to take the approach, ""I'd like to show you what Scripture says. You decide for yourself whether to believe it or not."" Darren> `REXLEX' suggested that people read _He is There and He is Not Darren> Silent_, by Francis Schaeffer. I didn't think very highly of Darren> it, but I think that Mr Schaeffer is grossly overrated by many Darren> Evangelical Christians. Somebody else might like it, though, Darren> so don't let my opinion stop you from reading it. Darren> If someone is interested in my opinion, I'd suggest _On Darren> Certainty_, by Ludwig Wittgenstein. As long as we're trading references, I'd like to suggest Dr. Siegbert Becker's paperback, ""The Foolishness of God: The place of reason in Lutheran theology,"" published by Northwestern Publishing House. This book was based on Becker's doctoral thesis at the University of Chicago.",15 "I used to be a marriage commissioner for the Alaska Court System (sort of a justice of the peace). I had great difficulty with that duty. I used to pray earnestly in the courthouse bathroom before the ceremonies, mostly asking that the couples would come to appreciate and fulfill the true holiness and divine purpose in marriage--couples who obviously didn't realize that marriage is God's institution, not the state's. Gradually, however, I came to conclude that because I was acting in a strictly secular, public capacity, established as such by both the state and the expectations of the couples involved, I was really conducting a purely secular, legal civil event, with no greater moral or religious implications than if I had been conducting a civil trial (the couple who told me, mid-ceremony, to ""please hurry it up"" may have helped me to this conclusion). I thought I had neatly rationalized a clear and sharp distinction between marriage before God, and ""marriage"" before the state, until I had to deal with my own divorce. Keeping Matthew 19:6 in mind, I felt that the state had no business dissolving my marriage established before God, but of course it assumed jurisdiction nonetheless. I would ask those of you proposing answers to this question to consider this issue's logical extension: If intercourse, or the mental intent of the parties, or the ceremony of the church, or any combination thereof, establishes marriage, then at what moment is it dissolved? ",15 " I'm neither a doctor nor a firearms tech expert, but it would seem that given the way a holstered gun points, accidental injuries inflicted that way would be among the least lethal. ",16 " It is silly to make this statement. Fifteen minutes after the fire started, the ""official word"" out of FBI headquaters in DC was that the DV's committed suicide. It would seem logical that the lantern story has more credibility. You can't even to pretend to know for sure what happened... although Clinton is doing just that. ",16 "Hi... can anybody give me book or reference title to give me a start at fractal image compression technique. Helps will be appreciated... thanx",1 " Sheesh. The rumor mill strikes again. But let's just assume this were true. My question is this: What would Montreal give San Jose if the Sharks got first pick and took Daigle? ",10 ,11 " Wouldn't a a second monitor of similar type scrolling gibberish and adjacent to the one being used provide reasonable resistance to tempest attacks?",11 "I have the following Genesis carts for sale or trade: Alien 3 Global gladiators Crue ball I have the following SNES carts for sale or trade: Jimmy connors tennis Super play action football Cross system trades are fine. Cheers Marc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ** ** * ****** *** * | On the net, ** * ** *** ** ** * * | no-one can hear you scream! ** * ** *** **** ** * * |------------------------------------ ** * ** *** ** ** * * | email marc@comp.lancs.ac.uk ** * ****** * ****** ** ** | marc@computing.lancaster.ac.uk",6 " ",19 " Be sure to say ""chronic"" dizziness, not just dizziness. Most patients with acute or subacute dizziness will get better. The vertiginous spells of Meniere's will also eventually go away, however, the patient is left with a deaf ear. This may have helped you, but I'm not sure it is good general advice. The odds that you are going to find some miracle with your own research that is secret or hidden from general knowledge for this or any other disease are slim. When good answers to these problems are found, it is usually in all the newspapers. Until then, spending a great deal of time and energy on the medical problem may divert that energy from more productive things in life. A limited amount should be spent to assure yourself that your doctor gave you the correct story, but after it becomes clear that you are dealing with a problem for which medicine has no good solution, perhaps the best strategy is to join the support group and keep abreast of new findings but not to make a career out of it. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 " And the religious right worships engines, smokestacks, landfills, and hates people. What does this name-calling have to do with anything you are claiming about the truth of environmental disaster? Nothing that I have read in this thread, nor heard from anyone I have talked to, would suggest to me that people fit the definition you give of the religious left. Come off it, Phil. A prime motivation for protecting our environment is so that we, people, can continue to live in it healthily. We just disagree on what is necessary to maintaining a healthy environment FOR PEOPLE. [Russ's response deleted to save space] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What!? They have already repaired that old hulk!!!? WOW!!! ;-) I suppose you *mean* the Alaskan shores that were devastated by the Valdez accident? I haven't seen the articles. What do they say exactly? Has [mostly] all the ocean and shore life returned? The sands are [mostly] as clean as they were before? The microbial samples are [mostly] back to a normal balance? The fish and fowl populations have [mostly] returned? What? [...] Not a problem? Would you move to Three Mile Island? I would imagine there is some cheap property available! The naturally occurring catastrophic events [disasters] that destroy property (ie: hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes) do not usually leave toxic wastes that prevent people from re-building their lives there. The man-made disasters (oil spills, toxic dumping, radioactive waste dispersions) cause death and make an area unliveable far beyond the initial event. ",18 "If this question is covered elsewhere, I apologize, but I need information fast. My department has been given a large sum of money to install a video system on our network of IBM RS6000 workstations. This is not an area in which I have any expertise, so I wonder if anyone out there can offer advice. We would like a system, based either on VHS or 8mm video which will allow one write video, frame by frame on tape for play-back in real time. It's for visualization of physics problems. Can anyone tell me what hardware is available which would work for our system? Some support software is obviously needed too, but nothing particularly sophisticated, since the software we actually use for the visualization is all already written. Please email with replies, as I don't read this group. Many thanks for your help.",1 "Since everyone else seems to be running wild with predictions, I've decided to add my own fuel to the fire: They might seem a bit normal, but there are a few (albeit, small) surprises. American League East W L GB 1)New York Yankees 93 69 -- 2)Baltimore Orioles 90 72 3 3)Toronto Blue Jays 86 76 7 4)Cleveland Indians 84 78 9 5)Boston Red Sox 77 85 16 6)Milwaukee Brewers 74 88 19 7)Detroit Tigers 73 89 20 American League West W L GB 1)Minnesota Twins 94 68 -- 2)Kansas City Royals 92 70 2 3)Texas Rangers 85 77 9 4)Chicago White Sox 77 85 17 5)Oakland Athletics 74 88 20 6)Seattle Mariners 70 92 24 7)California Angels 65 97 29 AL MVP-Kirby Puckett AL Cy Young-Kevin Appier AL Rookie of the Year-Tim Salmon AL Manager of the Year-Buck Showalter AL Comeback Player of the Year-Ozzie Guillen National League East W L GB 1)St. Louis Cardinals 91 71 -- 2)Philadelphia Phillies 89 73 2 3)Montreal Expos 88 74 3 4)New York Mets 84 78 7 5)Chicago Cubs 79 83 12 6)Pittsburgh Pirates 73 89 18 7)Florida Marlins 54 108 37 National League West W L GB 1)Atlanta Braves 96 66 -- 2)Cincinnati Reds 94 68 2 3)Houston Astros 89 73 7 4)Los Angeles Dodgers 82 80 14 5)San Francisco Giants 81 81 15 6)San Diego Padres 75 87 21 7)Colorado Rockies 59 103 37 NL MVP-Barry Larkin NL Cy Young-John Smoltz NL Rookie of the Year-Wil Cordero NL Manager of the Year-Joe Torre NL Comeback Player of the Year-Eric Davis NL Champions-St. Louis Cardinals AL Champions-Minnesota Twins World Champions-St. Louis Cardinals The St. Louis picks are what my heart says. What my brain says, is they will win the division, lose to the Braves in the NLCS, and the Braves will win the Series against Minnesota. But for now, I'll stick with the Cards all the way.",9 "I am creating a graphics program using the Athena widgets. I use Xlib routines to install a custom Graphics Contex by obtaining the display, and window variables with the XtWindowOfObject() and XtDisplayOfObject(). The object was one of the sub widgets. The problem occurs that whenever a button is pressed or a menu is selected the graphic contex reverts to the orginal one. I tried moving the allocation of the graphic context before the allocation of the buttons but nothing changed. I am preforming all of this manipulation before calling XtAppMainLoop(). Thank you for any help. Leslie Donaldson",5 "SMARTCAM VERSION 7 FOR SALE. Purchased in August 1992. Latest version! Also willing to sell 486 33dx. 124mg hard drive. 17"" multi scan monitor. paid $11,000 for software and $2800 for computer. Also includes 1 yr maintanence contract that can be updated every year for apx. $950 per year. Make offer. Call 1 800 940-7874 or 216-941-7400",6 " How about brass or silver? I've seen real chessboards that use that material. Right here is as good a place as any. Can't wait to see it. I use the POV raytracer - is it compatible enough for your chessboard? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ""I don't know if you've got the whole picture or not, but it doesn't seem like he's running on all thrusters!"" -- Leonard McCoy ""A guess? You, Spock? That's extraordinary!"" -- James T. Kirk",1 " Nobody ever exposed your crimes like that before? What was your personal role in the murder of Orhan Gunduz and Kemal Arikan, again? How many more Muslims will be slaughtered by 'SDPA.ORG' as publicly declared and filed with legal authorities? Please spell it out for us. ""...that more people have to die..."" SDPA <91@urartu.UUCP> ""Yes, I stated this and stand by it."" SDPA <255@urartu.UUCP> January 28, 1982 - Los Angeles Kemal Arikan is slaughtered by two Armenians while driving to work. March 22, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts Prelude to grisly murder. A gift and import shop belonging to Orhan Gunduz is blown up. Gunduz receives an ultimatum: Either he gives up his honorary position or he will be ""executed"". He refuses. ""Responsibility"" is claimed by JCAG and SDPA. May 4, 1982 - Cambridge, Massachusetts Orhan Gunduz, the Turkish honorary consul in Boston, would not bow to the Armenian terrorist ultimatum that he give up his title of ""honorary consul"". Now he is attacked and murdered in cold blood. President Reagan orders an all-out manhunt-to no avail. An eye- witness who gave a description of the murderer is shot down. He survives... but falls silent. One of the most revolting ""triumphs"" in the senseless, mindless history of Armenian terrorism. Such a murder brings absolutely nothing - except an ego boost for the murderer within the Armenian terrorist underworld, which is already wallowing in self-satisfaction. Were you involved in the murder of Sarik Ariyak? December 17, 1980 - Sydney Two Nazi Armenians massacre Sarik Ariyak and his bodyguard, Engin Sever. JCAG and SDPA claim responsibility. It is public knowledge that the founder of the Marxist-Leninist terrorist organization, the ASALA (an integral part of ASALA/SDPA/ARF), Hagop Hagopian, began his notorious career as a member of the terrorist group which perpetrated the massacre of the Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics in 1972. And the 'Armenian Foundation' stole from the children of Turkiye to fund the criminal activities of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists in their cold-blooded murder of defenceless Turkish and Kurdish people. THE ARMENIAN FOUNDATION PROVIDED 30 BILLION TL TO ASALA 01/09/92, MILLIYET-- The Armenian Foundation based in Istanbul is found to have provided 30 billion Turkish Lira ($6 million) to the Armenian terrorist organization ASALA which have murdered several Turkish diplomats abroad... Experts on international terrorism assert that the Armenian terrorists use proceeds from drug trafficking (and from the Armenian Foundation) to fund their deadly enterprises. The deadliest of terrorist assassins, Carlos, proclaimed on Spanish television that his organization had entered into a working relationship with Armenian terrorists and they are using drug trafficking to raise money 'to continue' to slaughter innocent people. Now, what is your personal and organizational role in this scheme? Recent reports which have been confirmed by the U.S. Administration, indicate that Armenian terrorist organizations are collaborating with those who are responsible for the bombing of the United States Marine barracks in Beirut. You won't be able to get away with your crimes forever; the justice is long overdue. As for the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914 and 1920: Source: Documents: Volume I (1919). ""Document No: 42,"" Archive No: 1-2, Cabin No: 110, Drawer No: 1(4), File No: 373, Section No: 1484(1032), Contents No: 9, 9-1. (To the Office of Acting Supreme Commander - Acting Assistant Section Director Major Ali Sukru) ""It is sufficient to mention just some of the terrible and shameful crimes committed only in Erzurum to get an idea about the Armenian atrocities in the villages... I would also like to mention with disgust and abominable sight, a stain on humanity, that I encountered at the west of Hasankale while my regiment was proceeding into this town. There was a young Turkish women, apparently once a very beautiful one, lying dead on one side of the road. A huge stick had been inserted into her vagina. We took the corpses and left it at a spot that was invisible from the road..."" Serdar Argic",17 " To start with, no methodology or form of reasoning is infallible. So there's a question of how much certainty we are willing to pay for in a given context. Insistence on too much rigor bogs science down completely and makes progress impossible. (Expenditure of sufficiently large sums of money and amounts of time can sometimes overcome this.) On the other hand, with too little rigor much is lost by basing work on results which eventually turn out to be false. There is a morass of studies contradicting other studies and outsiders start saying ""You people call THIS science?"" (My opinion, for what it's worth, is that one sees both these phenomena happening simultaneously in some parts of psychology.) Some subjective judgement is required to decide on the level of rigor appropriate for a particular investigation. I don't believe it is ever possible to banish subjective judgement from science. My second point, though, is that highly capable people can often make extremely reliable judgements about scientific validity even when using methodology considered inadequate by the usual standards. I think this is true of many scientists and I think it is true of many who approach their discipline in a way that is not generally recognized as scientific. Within mathematics, I think there are several examples, especially before the twentieth century. One conspicuous case is that of Riemann, who is famous for many theorems he stated but did not prove. (Later mathematicians did prove them, of course.) I think that for a good scientist, empirical investigation is often not so much a matter of determining what is true and what's not as it is a matter of convincing other people. (People have proposed lots of incompatible definitions of science here, but I think the ability to objectively convince others of the validity of one's results is an essential element. Not that one can necessarily do that at every step of the scientific process, but I think that if one is not moving toward that goal then one is not doing science.) When a person other than a scientist is quite good at what he does and seems to be very successful at it, I think that his judgements are also worthy of respect and that his assertions are well worth further investigation. Admittedly, my question was not at all well posed. A considerable amount of effort in a ""serious scholarly investigation"" such as I suggested would be required simply to formulate an appropriately specific question to try and answer. The ""science"" I was thinking of in my question is the actual science currently practiced now in the last decade of the twentieth century. I certainly wasn't thinking of some idealized science or the mere use of ""reason and observation."" One thing I had in mind in my suggestion was the question as to whether in many cases the subjective judgements of skilled and experienced practitioners might be more reliable than statistical studies. Since Russell Turpin seems to be much more familiar than I am with the study of scientific methodology, perhaps he can tell us if there is any existing research related to this question. -- In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects. ",13 "Hi all, I am looking for a recommandation on a good royalty free graphics library package for C and C++ program. This is mainly use to write children games and education software. I heard someone mentioned Genus and also GFX ? Are they any good? Please pardon me if my question sounds a little strange, I am asking this question for a friend. Thanks in advance!",1 "10 month old stereo system for sale. Luxman R-351 receiver, Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck, and Polk Monitor M4.6 book shelf speakers are for sale. Receiver has 5 year warranty, and all equipment is in excellent condition. Paid $950 for the system and willing to consider the best offer. Will sell seperate pieces also if desired. Please send best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu. Speakers: Polk Monitor M4.6 bookshelf speakers Paid $250 pair. Willing to consider best offer. Receiver: Luxman R-351 receiver with 5 year (yes 5 years) warranty. Paid $475. Willing to consider best offer. Full remote, 2 pairs of speaker connections, 60 watts per channel, but drives like a 150 watts per channel Has all the standard features, and more. Tape Deck: Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck Paid $275. Willing to consider best offer. Dual cassette, Dolby B, C, and HX Pro. Input level control for recording, auto reverse both sides. Has all standard features. Send E-mail with best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu",6 " DEC does this only for their PX and PXG servers, known as 3D accelerators. This boards have local offscreen memory which is limited and slow to handle, thus they set this limit. ",5 " Hum, do you enjoy putting words in my mouth? Come to Nome and meet some of these miners.. I am not sure how things go down south in the lower 48 (I used to visit, but), of course to believe the media/news its going to heck (or just plain crazy). Well it seems that alot of Unionist types seem to think that having a job is a right, and not a priviledge. Right to the same job as your forbearers, SEE: Kennedy's and tel me what you see (and the families they have married into). There is a reason why many historians and poli-sci types use unionist and socialist in the same breath. The miners that I know, are just your average hardworking people who pay there taxes and earn a living.. But taxes are not the answer. But maybe we could move this discussion to some more appropriate newsgroup..",14 "I read an article about the benefits of a VLB motherboard. It said that a true VLB board supports bus mastering, otherwise it is just as good as an ISA motherboard. Doesn't all VLB motherboard support bus mastering? I just bought a 486-33 VLB and the tech manual does not explicitly state the words ""local bus mastering"" but it said it ""supports bus master and slave modes"". Are these terms synonymous? Thanks.",3 "It is model number #7033D, a 14"" interlaced .28dp. BTW, if you have a number to contact the company, that would really be helpful to. Thanks for replying. I was beginning to believe that I was never going to get a reply. I posted this on the netnews bboard because the first message I sent to you was returned, and I didn't know if my second message would get to you.",3 " ",15 " One of those US cases was John Pollard.",17 "I don't know if this is an obvious question, but can any of the current batch of windows accelerator cards (diamond etc) be used to drive a monitor which has RGB and horizontal and vertical sync ( 5 BNC jacks altogether) connectors out the back?? I might be able to get ahold of a Raster Technologies 17"" monitor (1510 ??)cheap and I was wondering if it was possible to connect it via an adapter (RGB to vga ??) to my Gateway, would I need different drivers etc. Thanks",3 "Here is an annoying problem. Whenever I save an icon which contains dark colors like dark red or dark purple, these colors are converted to the bright colors. This happens with every icon editor including the image editor that came with SDK. I don't have this problem with .BMP files either; only with .ICO files or icon libraries. The problem is with the icon colormap field in the icon file header. Checking the file with a binary editor, I can see that the masks are OK. By editing the colormap manually (copying from another icon that I didn't edit) I can fix the colors. Does anybody know what may be causing this problem? Thanks. ",2 " Good comeback, Rog. Your quick wit and intelligence continues to amaze everyone. ",10 " You know what my answer will be: Hrivnak! The choice is obvious. ",10 " Steve, It's nice that you find me laughable but I don't quite understand. Is it because you think my firearms clash with what I'm wearing, or that my NRA sticker isn't on straight? Please state your judgement! I find it sad that people won't accept the responsibility to defend themselves. And I laugh with the same contempt you have for me at the sheep who expect the government to protect them. You and your friends sound like a bunch of smug intellectuals. Oh, I guess you are. I'm still waiting for you all-knowing academic-likes to solve the worlds problems. Let us know when you have the answers or punch lines as this case may be. So it's not a ""Yankee"" thing? Are Canadians actually as uncivilized as we Americans? Well if it's anything like here it wouldn't matter if they did; they wouldn't be able to use them. You shouldn't waste your time watching TV, Steve. It will corrupt your mind. Ditto to you, Self Righteous One. Lay your derogatory tirade on thick, Steve. Y'all can keep laughing and I'll keep feeling safe and secure. ",16 "Hi from Australia, I am a car enthusiast in Australia. I am particularly interested in American Muscle cars of the 1960s and 1970s. ALL MAKES: AMC, Ford, Chrysler/Mopar, GM. I will be in the USA for 6 weeks from May 2nd to -June 14 1993. Chicago: Sun May 2 -Thursday May 6 Denver: Friday May 7 - Sunday May 9 Austin, Texas: Monday May 10- Friday May 21 Oklahoma City: Friday May 21 - Monday May 24 Anaheim, California: Tuesday May 25-Thursday May 27 Las Vegas, Nevada: Friday May 28- Sunday May 30 Grand Canion, Monday May 31 - Tuesday June 1 Las Angeles, San Diego and vicinity: Wednesday June 3-Sunday June 6 June South Lake Tahoe, Cal: Sunday June 6 - Wednesday June 9 Reno: Thursday June 10 San Fransisco: Thursday June 10 - Sunday June 13 I was wondering if anyone could send me any information of car shows, swap meets, drag meets, model car shows etc. during this period. Can anybody tell me when the Pomona Swap meet is on this year? Also, any places to visit (eg. car museums, private collections, your collection? etc. Any bit of information is appreciated! I am also interested in finding some model cars (scale Models). I am intersted in 1968-1974 AMC cars. Of particular interest is: 1968-1970 AMX 1968-1974 Javelin 1969 SCRAMBLER 1970 Rebel Machine and others If you have any kits, plastics, diecast etc and are interested in selling them, tell me, I will be interested. I can also send/bring you models of Australian High performance cars if you are interested. Please reply by email to: johnt@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au Thanks,",7 "Tektronix 453 scope for sale: - 50MHz bandwidth - portable (NOT one of the 5xx series boatanchors! :^) - delayed sweep - works fine - I don't have the manual (they are available from various places) - no probes - $275 + shipping Email me for more info... Regards, Keith ",6 ": I may be wrong, but wasn't Jeff Fenholt part of Black Sabbath? He's a : MAJOR brother in Christ now. He totally changed his life around, and : he and his wife go on tours singing, witnessing, and spreading the : gospel for Christ. I may be wrong about Black Sabbath, but I know he : was in a similar band if it wasn't that particular group... Yes, but Jeff also speaks out against listening to bands like Black Sabbath. He says they're into all sorts of satanic stuff. I don't know.",15 "hello testing ",7 "MLB Standings and Scores for Tuesday, April 6th, 1993 (including yesterday's games) NATIONAL WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road Atlanta Braves 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 Cincinnati Reds 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 San Diego Padres 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 San Francisco Giants 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Colorado Rockies 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 Houston Astros 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 Los Angeles Dodgers 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 NATIONAL EAST Florida Marlins 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 New York Mets 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 Philadelphia Phillies 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 Pittsburgh Pirates 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 St. Louis Cardinals 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Chicago Cubs 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 Montreal Expos 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 AMERICAN WEST Won Lost Pct. GB Last 10 Streak Home Road Oakland Athletics 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 01-00 00-00 Texas Rangers 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 California Angels 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Chicago White Sox 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Minnesota Twins 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Seattle Mariners 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Kansas City Royals 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 AMERICAN EAST Boston Red Sox 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 New York Yankees 01 00 1.000 -- 1-0 Won 1 00-00 01-00 Milwaukee Brewers 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Toronto Blue Jays 00 00 .000 0.5 0-0 --- 00-00 00-00 Baltimore Orioles 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 Cleveland Indians 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-01 00-00 Detroit Tigers 00 01 .000 1.0 0-1 Lost 1 00-00 00-01 YESTERDAY'S SCORES NATIONAL LEAGUE AMERICAN LEAGUE Montreal 1 New York 9 Cincinnati 2 Cleveland 1 Atlanta 1 Texas 7 Chicago 0 Baltimore 4 Los Angeles 3 Boston 3 Florida 6 Kansas City 1 Philadelphia 3 Detroit 4 Houston 1 Oakland 9 Colorado 0 California IDLE New York 3 Chicago IDLE Pittsburgh IDLE Milwaukee IDLE St. Louis IDLE Minnesota IDLE San Diego IDLE Seattle IDLE San FranciscoIDLE Toronto IDLE -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Hernandez | RAMS | | /.\ ******* _|_|_ / | LAKERS jtchern@ocf.Berkeley.EDU | KINGS | |__ | | DODGERS _|_|_ | | RAIDERS jtcent@soda.Berkeley.EDU | ANGELS |____||_|_| ******* | | |___| CLIPPERS",9 " I don't think that this is accurate. I believe, and could be wrong, that there IS a specific right allegedly to have been violated, like the 14th or due process or whatever. Double jeopardy does not apply, but not for the reasons you quote. Double jeopardy states that a person may not be tried twice on the same charge. However, the police are not on trial for the crime of excessive force or assault. They are NOW on trial for the DIFFERENT crime of violating Mr. King's civil rights. AS for the city and county or state trying you more than once, it most likely will not happen. This is because cities and states have separate laws governing behaviour. For example, in some states, it is an offence to carry marijuana, but not a city offence. Also, I think murder is against federal, but not some state laws. ",18 "Is it possible to have 2 Sound Blasters in 1 machine? Would give your the equivalent of a SB Pro but with stereo Digitized sound. The way Creative Labs price Pro's in Oz, the price is equal.",3 "Chicago from what I have read is projected to run in 4M on 386 and higher. It is definitely aimed at the desktop. It is rumored to offer preemptive multitasking, multithreading but will not offer multiprocessing. Is 32 bit and no reliance on DOS. It is rumored to have an integrated file and program manager. DOS 7 is rumored to be similar to Chicago but without the GUI. Is also a step towards CAIRO (the next generation OS) which is rumored to be object oriented. I wonder where Windows 4.0 fits here is it a stepping stone to Chicago? Hope this helps. Thx Dave L ",2 "My BBB Autoline arbitration experience is over. The outcome was decidedly mixed. I won the battle but lost the war. The arbitrator found that the car was defective, but decided to offer a repurchase well below market value :(. At the time of the hearing, average retail on my truck in the NADA book was $21,025, but the decision was for $17,665. I wrote a letter to the Council of Better Business Bureaus pointing out the fact that if you have an automobile that does not depreciate rapidly, the manufacturer has no incentive to deal with you. There is no way that the manufacturer can loose because they can turn around and sell the vehicle at a profit if the consumer is awarded a repurchase. The attitude of Chevrolet's representative at the hearing tends to support this point of view; he was totally unprepared and did not seem to take the proceeding very seriously. I decided to take the repurchase, even though I am getting totally screwed on the price. I will not have to deal with continuing repairs or selling a lemon myself, and I have no case for a civil suit based on the Idaho lemon law. I am planning to send a letter to my elected representatives telling them how utterly ridiculous the Idaho lemon law is. The law allows for a ""use deduction"" equal to the IRS mileage allowance. As if Chevrolet were buying my gas and paying for my insurance. Summary of the case: In May 1992 I bought a new 3/4 ton HD Chevrolet pickup. Between May 1992 and December 1992 this vehicle required repair after repair. Systems that required attention included the transmission, heater fan, paint, suspension, and motor. The main problem was the five speed manual transmission. They could not install a non-defective transmission in at least four attempts. So, in summary, it is possible to get a repurchase, but you are going to get screwed on the price, unless you paid too much in the first place, or if your car happens to be a model that depreciates rapidly.",7 "Are there any PDS expansion cards out there that specifically take advantage of the LCIII's 32 bit data path and 25MHz clock speed? If they exist, are they significantly faster than the LC/LCII versions?",4 each,4 "You macinators who have used these voice messaging/FAX/data-modems. I have a question. First what brand names do you recommend(I am mostly interested in the voice messaging and FAX part). Is the voice part as reliable and understandable as the sellers claim? Approximately, how much hard drive space does an average day of callers take up, if they speak for one minute? Any feed back would be appreciated. My company is looking at buying one or two. Hey, I may buy one myself too. Thanks in advance Don ",4 " I have come to the conclusion that the TV stations here in LA WANT a riot to happen when the verdict comes in. In a not so subtle way they are preparing their audience for the worst and even going so far as to want SOMETHING to happen for their viewers with all their commercials and their ""we are ready for anything so watch US"" messages... carlos. ",18 "News-Software: UReply 3.1 X-X-From: Wingert@VNET.IBM.com (Bret Wingert) ======================================================================== A couple of points on this thread. 1. We have been using our processes since way before Challenger. Challenger in and of it self did not uncover flaws. 2. What Mr. Spencer says is by and large true. We have a process that is not dependent on ""sophisticated tools"" (CASE tools?). However, tools cannot fix a bad process. Also, tool support for HAL/S (the Shuttle Language) is somewhat limited. 3. The Onboard Flight Software project was rated ""Level 5"" by a NASA team. This group generates 20-40 KSLOCs of verified code per year for NASA. 4. Feel free to call me if you or your organization is interested in more info on our software development process. Bret Wingert (713)-282-7534 FAX: (713)-282-8077 Bret Wingert ",14 " ""A handful of anti-gun zealots are telling the public that their right to self-defense is of less importance than the interests of Handgun Control, Inc. This action comes as local, state and federal law enforcement officials continue their assault on the Branch Davidian compound--an assault which has already resulted in the death of one two year old child at the hands of federal agents. This has highlighted the need for citizens to be able to defend themselves and their children against the excesses of their own government."" ""Any suggestion by opponents that this bill will increase crime is a distortion of the facts, at best. The aggressive outreach by officials in central Florida to train and arm women has led to a dramatic drop in the level of assault and rape in that area. Of course, this program is a rare gem, as many law enforcement officials apparently believe that an unarmed citizenry will be easier to control, and thus favor tighter restrictions."" ""The vote today is a tribute to the good sense of the public at large who are putting their lives on the line every day as they go about their lawful affairs. The entire country knows how vulnerable the average citizen is, both to attacks from criminals and from armed assault by our own police. Texas lawmakers who voted for this concealed handgun bill have shown total understanding for those innocent, law-abiding citizens on the front lines, and the families of those who have fallen."" ""I urge the House of Representatives to pay attention to the needs of their constituents, and not be stampeded by ill-conceived arguments from ideological fanatics."" Ain't propaganda fun? ",16 " Me too! And any Yankee Stadium gifs as well, please. Thanx in advance,",9 " I know nothing about statistics, but what significance does the relatively small population growth rate have where the sampling period is so small (at the end of 1371)? Is it adequete to suggest a trend or is it just noise? ",17 "I have an '89 Kawasaki KX 80. It is in mint condition and starts on the first kick EVERY time. I have outgrown the bike, and am considering selling it. I was told I should ask around $900. Does that sound right or should it be higher/lower? Also, I am looking for a used ZX-7. How much do I have to spend, and what year should I look for to get a bike without paying an arm and a leg???? Thanks for the help! Rob Fusi rwf2@lehigh.edu",8 "Fucking news reader... I don't think this got posted... If it did, ignore it this time. (A response to Korey) ------------ begin my response ----------------- [...] Maybe because the claims deserve refute? The above abstract lists various possible links to cannabis use (unfiltered almost guaranteed) and lung problems. Someone may get overly excited when they see that article, but without actually digging up the study and seeing how the studies gathered their data it really doesn't tell you shit. I'm going to track down that study hopefully tomarrow. [...] What justifies _the_ truth about drugs? Research? What sort of research? Correlational data can help establish a theory, but it does not prove anything. Heroin _is_ a relatively safe drug. What makes it unsafe are IV administration and shit like adulterants. There are side effects, like withdrawal, but they effect people differently. Stereotypical statement. I know people who use heroin and opiates that function just fine in society. Name some of these drugs so we can debate about them more specifically. [...] NO, NO, NO. (or at least I haven't been arguing this). there is not enough data to form a scientific conclusion. that _doesn't_ mean that cannabis is benign to users' lungs. we can form all the theories we want, but they are only theories. some theories are supported by more evidence than others, and that makes them stronger. the hell I can't! they state *UN-JUSTIFIED CONCLUSIONS* *AS FACT* as a *POLITICAL* strategy to stop drug use. [...] In general, I somewhat see what you're saying. And people like Jack Herer contribute to this. This has been quite a big mind-fuck for me recently, and I've pretty came to the conclusion that you can't trust _ANYBODY_ by word of mouth alone -- my attitude about the general population has decreased significantly. gotta run to class.. -marc andersom@spot.colorado.edu ",18 "Some time back I asked for software recommendations to allow me to run X from my PC at home to my Sparc at the office. Many thanks for all replies, the majority of people recommended PCXremote from NCD. I received it yesterday and installed it on my Sparc and PC with only one hitch. The UNIX install consists of copying 2 files into some local bin directory. On the PC side, I ordered the WINDOWS version which came with a slick windows installation. The only problem I had was that my .xinitrc in my home directory had the line DISPLAY=`hostname`:0.0; export DISPLAY s.t the clients I kicked off connected to my Xserver on the Sparc console. By removing this line from the .xinitrc everything worked as planned and the clients connected to the server at `hostname`:1.0 Some comments on performance, I was connected to a Sparc 2 thru a NetBlazer Terminal Server over a 9600 baud line. My PC is a 486-DX2 ATI Ultra, 16 MB Bitmap Stuff Sucked. Basic Editing and compilation stuff definitely usable. Xmail was very usable. At times the first time U typed in an Xclient window there was a very noticable delay, I put this down to brain damaged ""WINDOWS should not be called a SCHEDULER"", besides that this will become my remote work environment for a while. Has anybody tried the NON Windows version of the product, the sales person said they performed about the same, given the over head of WINDOWS I question this? many thanks for help to all who responded",5 " My T-Bird SC's manual says to replace the platinum plugs every 60,000mi. Wal-Mart has Autolite platinum plugs for $2.00 each. Are these ""real"" platinum plugs? (I had Bosch platinums in my '80 Fiesta and my dad had 'em in his '84 Bronco--note the keyword ""had."" They didn't last very long (much less than 50,000mi) before they had to be replaced. I agree that they weren't the greatest.) James",7 "They don't have a conflict because technically LPT1: does not use IRQ7!. The Parallel printer processor (the actual number escapes me) contains a printer control register which enables the chip to transmit an interrupt to the interrupt controller as IRQ7, then onto the main processor as Int 0x0F. By default the parallel printer processor does not enable it's interrupt line therefore no Int 0x0F's will be sourced from the printer controller chip, thus enabling other devices to use the actual IRQ7. Note, this applies to COM ports also which by default do not route interrupts to the system bus, although COM's software usually enable this feature as it make monitoring COM port activity easier than polling the serial UART, thus probably getting the sound card slighty confused!.",3 " [..] Hello. Firstly, what do you exactly mean by ""fundamentalist""? I will for the time being assume that what you mean is that your friend believes that the bible is God's word to mankind? I suspect that what happened to him is what he'll call being ""born again""? Anyway, was that recent? If the answer is ""yes"" to all the questions above, it is quite understandable. However, IMO, I'ld rather give advice to your friend! I think I've been through something similar to him, and one thing I can say is that the basic problem is that each of you are now trying to communicate from different worldviews. Why he talks about those things is because they are now ""obvious"" to him. What is ""obvious"" to him is not obvious to you. Secondly, why he may be very persuasive is because from his point of view, he has been on ""both sides of the fence"". This I mean that before he turned ""fundamentalist"", you two are agreeable because both of you see things from the same side. If suddenly, as if a new world of reality has suddenly opened up to him, it is like the discovery of let's say a new continent, or a new planet. To him, he's got to tell you because he has seen something much more wonderful than where he was, and what he thinks is much better than where you are now. You have got to realise that from his point of view, he means well to you, eventhough he may end up offending you. To him, it is worth that risk. Nevertheless, it is really up to him to respect where you stand and listen to you as well. At this moment, it may be difficult because he is either very excited or feel it is too urgent to keep quiet about, however, he may not realise that he's really putting you off. [...] So far, I've only been trying to explain things from his side. However, I do understand how you feel too, because I wasn't a Christian for a good part of my life as well. I was quite turned off by Christians or ""fundamentalists"" who were really all out and enthusiastic about their faith. They really scared me, to tell you the truth. Unfortunately, ""religious belief"" is a very personal thing, just as your agnosticism is also a very personal thing to you. Since the Christian belief is inevitably at odds with anything non-Christian (religious or otherwise), it will be a touchy matter. Like all friendships, it will take both sides to do their part to make it work. In this matter, maybe you can do your part by telling him nicely that you are not able to dig what he's trying to convince you about, that it's beyond you or not your concern ""for now"". Don't tell him it's nonsense, because to him it is reality - and that would be a real insult. He'll also have to be careful not to insult where you stand too. Like I said before, I wish I could give your friend some advice too. I'll admit that I did similarly to some of my friends when I became a Christian. In some ways, I wish I could have done things a little differently. However, it was difficult then because I was so excited and just blabbered away about what I've found! To me, it was too good not to know. To some, I was crazy, and I didn't really care most of the time what they thought. You will probably think he's crazy too - but God is very real to him, as real as you are to him. Keep that in mind. And he thinks he can convince you because since God is so real to him, he doesn't see why God can't be real to you too. I don't know how helpful this is to you. But all the best anyhow - this is quite a challenge for you to face. By the way, personal conviction: nobody is ""beyond saving"" except the one we call the devil and his hosts.",15 "I have an unopened CD called ""Bird-The Original Recordings of Charlie Parker"" It has on it, among others: Miles Davis, Dizzy Gillespie, Red Rodney, Thelonious Monk, and Lester Young. I would be willing to sell it to the highest bidder, or else to trade it for another jazz CD that I would be interested in.",6 "[deletions] If this is grounded firmly in Islam, as you claim, then you have just exposed Islam as the grounds for terrorism, plain and simple. Whether you like it or not, whether Rushdie acted like a total jerk or not, there is no acceptable civilized basis for putting someone in fear of their life for words. It simply does not matter whether his underlying motive was to find the worst possible way he could to insult Muslims and their beliefs, got that? You do not threaten the life of someone for words - when you do, you quite simply admit the backruptcy of your position. If you support threatening the life of someone for words, you are not yet civilized. This is exactly where I, and many of the people I know, have to depart from respecting the religions of others. When those beliefs allow and encourage (by interpretation) the killing of non-physical opposition. You, or I or anyone, are more than privledged to believe that someone, whether it be Rushdie or Bush or Hussien or whover, is beyond the pale of civilized society and you can condemn his/her soul, refuse to allow any members of your association to interact with him/her, _peacably_ demonstrate to try to convince others to disassociate themselves from the ""miscreants"", or whatever, short of physical force. But once you physically threaten, or support physical threats, you get much closer to your earlier comparison of rape - with YOU as the rapist who whines ""She asked for it, look how she was dressed"". Blaming the victim when you are unable to be civilized doesn't fly. Dew",0 "Dear Xperts: I want to place a specific group of icons in an icon box and have my other icons appear outside of the box. Does anyone know if there's a way I can do this?? I'm using X11R5 and Motif 1.2.1.",5 "I downloaded an image of the earth re-constructed from elevation data taken at 1/2 degree increments. The author (not me) wrote some c-code (included) that read in the data file and generated b&w and pseudo color images. They work very well and are not incumbered by copyright. They are at an aminet site near you called earth.lha in the amiga/pix/misc area... I refer you to the included docs for the details on how the author (sorry, I forget his name) created these images. The raw data is not included. -- David David M. Ingebretsen Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp. dingebre@thunder.sim.es.com",1 " More info please. I'm not well exposed to these ideas. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea.",0 "henrik] Let me clearify Mr. Turkish; henrik] ARMENIA is NOT getting ""itchy"". SHE is simply LETTING the WORLD KNOW henrik] that SHE WILL NO LONGER sit there QUIET and LET TURKS get away with henrik] their FAMOUS tricks. Armenians DO REMEMBER of the TURKISH invasion henrik] of the Greek island of CYPRESS WHILE the world simply WATCHED. Onur Yalcin] It is more appropriate to address netters with their names as Onur Yalcin] they appear in their signatures (I failed to do so since you did Onur Yalcin] not bother to sign your posting). Not only because it is the Onur Yalcin] polite thing to do, but also to avoid addressing ladies with Onur Yalcin] ""Mr."", as you have done. Fine. Please, accept my opology ! Onur Yalcin] Secondly, the island of which the name is more correctly spelled Onur Yalcin] as Cyprus has never been Greek, but rather, it has been home to Onur Yalcin] a bi-communal society formed of Greeks and Turks. It seems that ^^^^^^^^^^^ Onur Yalcin] you know as little about the history and the demography of the Onur Yalcin] island, as you know about the essence of Turkey's Onur Yalcin] military intervention to it under international agreements. bi-communal society ? Then why DID NOT Greece INVADE CYPRUS ? Onur Yalcin] Be that as it may, an analogy between an act of occupation in Onur Yalcin] history and what is going on today on Azerbaijani land, can only Onur Yalcin] be drawn with the expansionist policy that Armenia is now pursuing. Buch of CRAP and you know it. Nagarno-Karabagh has ALWAYS been PART of ARMENIA and it was STALIN who GAVE IT to the AZERIS. Go back and review the HISTORY. The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their RIGHTS to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are INVADING their teritory. Onur Yalcin] But, I could agree that it is not for us to issue diagnoses to Onur Yalcin] the political conduct of countries, and promulgate them in such Onur Yalcin] terminology as ""itchy-bitchy""... I was not the one that STATED IT. ",17 "I will again *repeat* my statement: 1) I *do not* condone these *indiscriminate* Israeli acts (nor have I *ever*, 2) If the villagers do not know who these ""guerillas"" are (which you stated earlier), how do you expect the Israelis to know? It is **very** difficult to ""identify"" who they are (this *is why* the ""guerillas"" prefer to lose themselves in the general population by dressing the same, acting the same, etc.). I agree; but, because Lebanon was either unwilling or unable to stop these attacks from its territory should Israel simply sit quietly and accept its situation? Israel asked the Lebanese government over and over to control this ""third party state"" within Lebanese territory and the attacks kept occuring. At **what point** does Israel (or ANY state) have the right to do something ITSELF to stop such attacks? Never? It is also the responsibility of *any* state to NOT ALLOW *any* outside party to use its territory for attacks on a neighboring state. If 1) Angola had the power, and 2) South Africa refused (or couldn't) stop anti-Angolan guerillas based on SA soil from attacking Angola, and 3) South Africa refused to have UN troops stationed on its territory between it and Angola, would Angola be justified in entering SA? If not, are you saying that Angola HAD to accept the situation, do NOTHING and absorb the attacks? I refered above *at all times* to the Palestinian attacks on Israel from Lebanese soil, NOT to Lebanese attacks on Israel. One hopes that a Lebanese government will be strong enough to patrol its border but there is NO reason to believe it will be any stronger. WHAT HAS CHANGED is that the PLO was largely *driven out* of Lebanon (not by the Lebanese, not by Syria) and THAT is by far the most important making it EASIER to control future Palestinian attacks from Lebanese soil. That **change** was brought about by Israeli action; the PLO would *never* have been ejected by Lebanese, Arab state or UN actions. I fully recognize that the Lebanese do NOT WANT to be ""used"" by EITHER side, and have been (and continue to be). But the most fundamental issue is that if a state cannot control its borders and make REAL efforts to do so, it should expect others to do it for them. Hopefully that ""other"" will be the UN but it is (as we see in its cowardice regarding Bosnia) weak.",17 " Don't kid around... They just might listen.",10 " Note that TEMPEST is the name of the shielding standard. TEMPEST is not the name of the surveillance technique.",11 " Rutin is a bioflavonoid, compounds found (among other places) in the rinds of citrus fruits. These have been popular, especially in Europe, to treat ""capillary fragility"", and seemingly in even more extreme cases-- a few months ago, a friend was visiting from Italy, and he said that he'd had hemorrhoids, but his pharmacist friend sold him some pills. Incredulously, I asked to look at them, and sure enough these contained rutin as the active ingredient. I probably destroyed the placebo effect from my skeptical sputtering. I have no idea how he's doing hemorrhoid-wise these days. The studies which attempted to look at the effect of these compounds in human disease and nutrition were never very well controlled, so the reports of positive results with them is mostly anecdotal. This stuff is pretty much non-toxic, and probably inexpensive, so there's little risk of trying it, but I wouldn't expect much of a result. ",13 "Anybody got any good/bad experience with selling their car through one of those car hunters? I'm selling a 1991 Dodge Stealth R/T and I was contacted by this company called the Markham group based out of Illinois. They said they have 7-10 buyers in my area interested in my car or they wouldn't be talking to me. They talked to me for a good 20 minutes asking everything about my car and said they could sell it no problem. They guaranteed that if they didn't sell my car in 75 days, I would get my money back ($389) and since I charged it, I'm protected by federal law which states that if I'm not satisfied, I would get a refund (which is true). They federal expressed all the paperwork to me which had a contract stating their policy about the 75 days and such.",7 " Would if only it were true ... If only MIT would fix the !@&$^*@ twm ""InstallWindowColormaps()"" crash bug once and for all, then I could say that I've (almost) unable to crash either ""twm"" or ""tvtwm"", which would be a remarkable feat - and most desirable to boot. I mean, this bug has only been reported, oh, a zillion times by now ... Now *servers*, on the other hand ... (want to crash an OpenWindows 3.0 ""xnews"" server at will? Just do an 'xbiff -xrm ""XBiff*shapeWindow: on""'. Blammo.) ",5 " Do you mean the icons _of_ the program groups, or the icons of the individual programs _in_ the program groups? I assume you mean the latter, and the answer is: sure you can. Just click once (not double) on the application icon, then Alt-F P (File | Properties). Click on the Change Icon box and tell it the icon filename. Or use the Browse sub-selection. I use Alt-Tab. Hold the Alt key and repeatedly press Tab until you see Program Mangler up. Then release the Alt key. ",2 " I don't know any way except to see what modifiers are on in th Keypress event. Of course if there is some reason why you need to always know the state of modifiers even if your windows don't have the keyborads focus you can always ask for KeyPress events from the root window. Then you get all the KeyPresses and you always know what have been pressed. I think this is just a question of how to implement XLookupString. You can always write another function that interprets the KeyPresses as you like. You can look at the implementation of XLookupString from the Xlib sources and then modify it a little bit.",5 " I am one of those middle-of-the-road GW2000 owners who is satisfied with my system. I had my share of problems/corrections/phone conversations/etc. I'm satisfied on what I got for my money. Stephen R. Husak ",3 "of A transporter operator!?!? That better be one important transport. Usually it is a nameless ensign who does the job. For such a guest appearance I would have expected a more visible/meaningful role. --- ---------------------------------------------------------------------",14 "What would all of you out there in net land think of the big 6 (Martin Mariatta, Boeing, Mcdonell Douglas, General Dynamics, Lockheed, Rockwell) getting together, and forming a consortium to study exactly what the market price pints are for building reusable launch vehicles, and spending say $3million to do that. Recognizing that most of the military requirements for launch vehicles are pulled out of a hat somewhere (say, has the shuttle ever really used that 1200mi crossrange capability? You get the idea, figure out how many, how often, where to, etc...) Then taking this data, and forming a sematech type company (bad example, I know... but at least its an example...) To develop between 3 and 5 craft designs. Then to take all of those designs, and figure out EXACTLY what the technologies are, and demonstrate those technologies, in order to eliminate designs that can't be built today. And lets say that this portion again funded by the GOV cost about $20 million. And from here all of these companies went their separate ways, with the intention of taking all of the market data and the design data to wall street, and saying ""I want to build this vehicle, and here are the numbers that show %20 ROI, fund me...) Now many of you think that this is a joke, but I have it on good authority that just this project is shaping up in the background. It seems that the aerospace companies have learned that everyone yelling similar but different things ends up in many programs that do nothing much and get canceled (NASP, NLS, ALS, DCY?, etc...) They need to work more in the japaneese, and european spirit of initial cooperation. They have also learned that design requirements that are phony (I.E. some generals idea of what a space vehicle ought to be) ends up getting chopped up in congress, because it is not a REAL requirement. Any feedback?",14 "fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary @ University of Colorado, Boulder): These stats are invalid; we're talking BACKCOUNTRY. These stats for rapes/assaults/deaths do not represent the backcountry singularly; the great majority represent urban incidents. You should have pointed this out.",16 What are you stupid?,17 " This was (my opinion) the stupidest thing in the Hidden Game. The argument was 1) Defense, or runs allowed, is 50% of the game. 2) Unearned runs amount to 12% of the runs allowed; earned runs, 88%. 3) Since unearned runs are the result of fielding, not pitching, and earned runs are the product of pitching, not fielding, fielding is 12% of defense and pitching is 88% of defense. 4) Caombining with #1, pitching is 44% of the game, fielding 6%. Pete is usually sharper than that. My own feel is that fielding is in the 25-33% of defense range; call it 30-70 between fielding and pitching. I'd give baserunning a little more credit than that, maybe 45-5, or even 40-10. Give a team of Roberto Alomar and a team of John Oleruds identical batting stats (which wouldn't be that unreasonable), and even if you don't let Roberto steal a single base, they'll score a lot more than the Oleruds by going first-to-third more often. (No offense, Gordon).",9 " Wetteland comes off the DL on April 23rd, and will be evaluated on the 24th. He is throwing well, and without pain on the side. DeShields is not on the DL. He suffered from the chicken pox and lost (this is the official total) 12 pounds. He will be back, hopefully, next week. Walker will be back this tonight or tomorrow...",9 " I don't react to scallops, but did have discomforts with clam juice served at (American) waterfront seafood bars. I don't know whether the juice is homemade or from cans. The following is my first encounter with the Chinese Restaurant Syndrome. Ten years ago, about an hour after having Won Ton Soup I collapsed in a chair with my face feeling puffed up, my scalp tingling, my feet too weak to stand up. The symptoms lasted for about 20 minutes. Determined to find out the cause of my first reaction, I went back to the Chinese restuarant and ordered the same dish. The same thing happened. A quick look inside the kitchen revealed nothing out of the ordinary.",13 "Does anybody have an algorithm for ""flattening"" out a globe, or any other parametric surface, that is definied parametrically. That is, I would like to take a sheet of paper and a knife and to be able to calculate how I must cut in the paper so I can fold it to a globe (or any other object). ",1 " Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that...I sounds to me, your UPS takes in AC, rectifies it to DC to charge the batteries, and then takes the battery DC and chops it to AC again, feeding your equipment. This approach is the easiest and cleanest way to switchover from the mains to battery once your power kicks out since, as you mentioned, nothing will know about what happened down the line. Another way to do the UPS scheme is to use the mains until you lose power, and then kick in the battery backup with it's inverter to replace the lost power. The problem here is the switchover time and you've got to resync the AC in no time flat. Unfortunately, most everything is built around the assumption that AC is available, so the UPS guys have to provide and AC output to be usable...ya sorta have to make it work with what there already. Similar story with our telephone system. It was first invented back in the 1800's. We're still using the same damn system (media) as they did back then. If I have a phone from back then, I can assure you it'll work on today's phone system. It costs too much to overhaul everyone to a new system, so they make it work with what is out there.",12 "[For those attending the AAAI conf this summer, note that this conference is immediately preceding it.] PRELIMINARY PROGRAM AND REGISTRATION MATERIALS First International Conference on Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology Washington, D.C. July 6-9, 1993 Sponsored by: The National Institutes of Health, National Library of Medicine The Department of Energy, Office of Health and Environmental Research The Biomatrix Society The American Association for Artificial Intelligence (AAAI) Poster Session and Tutorials: Bethesda Ramada Hotel Technical Sessions: Lister Hill Center Auditorium, National Library of Medicine For more information contact ISMB@nlm.nih.gov or FAX (608)262-9777 PURPOSE This, the First International Conference on Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology, is the inaugural meeting in a series intended to bring together scientists who are applying the technologies of artificial intelligence, robotics, machine learning, massively parallel computing, advanced data modelling, and related methods to problems in molecular biology. The scope extends to any computational or robotic system supporting a biological task that is cognitively challenging, involves a synthesis of information from multiple sources at multiple levels, or in some other way exhibits the abstraction and emergent properties of an ""intelligent system."" FACILITIES The conference will be held at Lister Hill Center National Library of Medicine 8600 Rockville Pike NIH, Building 38A Bethesda MD 20894 Seating in the conference center is strictly limited, so registrations will be accepted on a first-come, first-serve basis. Accomodations, as well as a reception and poster session, will be at the Bethesda Ramada Hotel 8400 Wisconsin Avenue Bethesda MD 20814 A special room rate has been negotiated with the hotel, of $92/day (expires 6/21). Attendees must make their own reservations, by writing the hotel or calling (800)331-5252 and mentioning the ISMB conference. To participate in a roommate-matching service, e-mail opitz@cs.wisc.edu. TRANSPORTATION The two facilities are within easy walking distance, convenient to the subway (Metro Red Line, Medical Center stop), and from there to the Amtrak station. Nearby airports include Dulles, National, and Baltimore-Washington International. PROCEEDINGS Full-length papers from both talks and posters will be published in archival proceedings. The citation is: Proceedings of the First International Conference on Intelligent Systems for Molecular Biology (eds. L. Hunter, D. Searls, and J. Shavlik) AAAI/MIT Press, Menlo Park CA, 1993. Copies will be distributed at the conference to registered attendees, and will be available for purchase from the publisher afterwards. TALKS Wednesday, July 7, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast 9:00-9:15am Opening Remarks 9:15-10:30am Invited Talk ""Statistics, Protein Cores, and Predicted Structures"" Prof. Temple Smith (Boston University) 10:30-11:00am Break 11:00am ""Constructive Induction and Protein Structure Prediction"" T.R. Ioerger, L. Rendell, & S. Surbramaniam 11:30am ""Protein Secondary-Structure Modeling with Probabilistic Networks"" A.L. Delcher, S. Kasif, H.R. Goldberg, & W. Hsu 12:00-1:30pm Lunch 1:30pm ""Protein Secondary Structure using Two-Level Case-Based Reasoning"" B. Leng, B.G. Buchanan, & H.B. Nicholas 2:00pm ""Automatic Derivation of Substructures Yields Novel Structural Building Blocks in Globular Proteins"" X. Zhang, J.S. Fetrow, W.A. Rennie, D.L. Waltz, & G. Berg 2:30pm ""Using Dirichlet Mixture Priors to Derive Hidden Markov Models for Protein Families"" M. Brown, R. Hughey, A. Krogh, I.S. Mian, K. Sjolander, & D. Haussler 3:00-3:30pm Break 3:30pm ""Protein Classification using Neural Networks"" E.A. Ferran, B. Pflugfelder, & P. Ferrara 4:00pm ""Neural Networks for Molecular Sequence Classification"" C. Wu, M. Berry, Y-S. Fung, & J. McLarty 4:30pm ""Computationally Efficient Cluster Representation in Molecular Sequence Megaclassification"" D.J. States, N. Harris, & L. Hunter 7:00-7:30pm Poster Setup 7:30-10:00pm Reception & Poster Session Thursday, July 8, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast 9:00-10:15am Invited Talk ""Large-Scale DNA Sequencing: A Tale of Mice and Men"" Prof. Leroy Hood (University of Washington) 10:15-10:45am Break 10:45am ""Pattern Recognition for Automated DNA Sequencing: I. On-Line Signal Conditioning and Feature Extraction for Basecalling"" J.B. Bolden III, D. Torgersen, & C. Tibbetts 11:15am ""Genetic Algorithms for Sequence Assembly"" R. Parsons, S. Forrest, & C. Burks 11:45am ""A Partial Digest Approach to Restriction Site Mapping"" S.S. Skiena & G. Sundaram 12:15-2:00pm Lunch 2:00pm ""Integrating Order and Distance Relationships from Heterogeneous Maps"" M. Graves 2:30pm ""Discovering Sequence Similarity by the Algorithmic Significance Method"" A. Milosavljevic 3:00pm ""Identification of Human Gene Functional Regions Based on Oligonucleotide Composition"" V.V. Solovyev & C.B. Lawrence 3:30pm ""Knowledge Discovery in GENBANK"" J.S. Aaronson, J. Haas, & G.C. Overton 4:00-4:30pm Break 4:30pm ""An Expert System to Generate Machine Learning Experiments: Learning with DNA Crystallography Data"" D. Cohen, C. Kulikowski, & H. Berman 5:00pm ""Detection of Correlations in tRNA Sequences with Structural Implications"" T.M. Klingler & D. Brutlag 5:30pm ""Probabilistic Structure Calculations: A Three- Dimensional tRNA Structure from Sequence Correlation Data"" R.B. Altman Friday, July 9, 1993 ----------------------------------------------------------------- 8:00-9:00am Continental Breakfast 9:00-10:15am Invited Talk ""Artificial Intelligence and a Grand Unified Theory of Biochemistry"" Prof. Harold Morowitz (George Mason University) 10:15-10:45am Break 10:45am ""Testing HIV Molecular Biology in in silico Physiologies"" H.B. Sieburg & C. Baray 11:15am ""Identification of Localized and Distributed Bottlenecks in Metabolic Pathways"" M.L. Mavrovouniotis 11:45am ""Fine-Grain Databases for Pattern Discovery in Gene Regulation"" S.M. Veretnik & B.R. Schatz 12:15-2:00pm Lunch 2:00pm ""Representation for Discovery of Protein Motifs"" D. Conklin, S. Fortier, & J. Glasgow 2:30pm ""Finding Relevant Biomolecular Features"" L. Hunter & T. Klein 3:00pm ""Database Techniques for Biological Materials and Methods"" K. Baclawski, R. Futrelle, N. Fridman, & M.J. Pescitelli 3:30pm ""A Multi-Level Description Scheme of Protein Conformation"" K. Onizuka, K. Asai, M. Ishikawa, & S.T.C. Wong 4:00-4:30pm Break 4:30pm ""Protein Topology Prediction through Parallel Constraint Logic Programming"" D.A. Clark, C.J. Rawlings, J. Shirazi, A. Veron, & M. Reeve 5:30pm ""A Constraint Reasoning System for Automating Sequence- Specific Resonance Assignments in Multidimensional Protein NMR Spectra"" D. Zimmerman, C. Kulikowski, & G.T. Montelione 5:30-5:45pm Closing Remarks POSTER SESSION The following posters will be on display at the Bethesda Ramada Hotel from 7:30-10:00pm, Wednesday, July 7. [1] ""The Induction of Rules for Predicting Chemical Carcinogenesis in Rodents"" D. Bahler & D. Bristol [2] ""SENEX: A CLOS/CLIM Application for Molecular Pathology"" S.S. Ball & V.H. Mah [3] ""FLASH: A Fast Look-Up Algorithm for String Homology"" A. Califano & I. Rigoutsos [4] ""Toward Multi-Strategy Parallel Learning in Sequence Analysis"" P.K. Chan & S.J. Stolfo [5] ""Protein Structure Prediction: Selecting Salient Features from Large Candidate Pools"" K.J. Cherkauer & J.W. Shavlik [6] ""Comparison of Two Approaches to the Prediction of Protein Folding Patterns"" I. Dubchak, S.R. Holbrook, & S.-H. Kim [7] ""A Modular Learning Environment for Protein Modeling"" J. Gracy, L. Chiche & J. Sallantin [8] ""Inference of Order in Genetic Systems"" J.N. Guidi & T.H. Roderick [9] ""PALM - A Pattern Language for Molecular Biology"" C. Helgesen & P.R. Sibbald [10] ""Grammatical Formalization of Metabolic Processes"" R. Hofestedt [11] ""Representations of Metabolic Knowledge"" P.D. Karp & M. Riley [12] ""Protein Sequencing Experiment Planning Using Analogy"" B. Kettler & L. Darden [13] ""Design of an Object-Oriented Database for Reverse Genetics"" K.J. Kochut, J. Arnold, J.A. Miller, & W.D. Potter [14] ""A Small Automaton for Word Recognition in DNA Sequences"" C. Lefevre & J.-E Ikeda [15] ""MultiMap: An Expert System for Automated Genetic Linkage Mapping"" T.C. Matise, M. Perlin & A. Chakravarti [16] ""Constructing a Distributed Object-Oriented System with Logical Constraints for Fluorescence-Activated Cell Sorting"" T. Matsushima [17] ""Prediction of Primate Splice Junction Gene Sequences with a Cooperative Knowledge Acquisition System"" E.M. Nguifo & J. Sallantin [18] ""Object-Oriented Knowledge Bases for the Analysis of Prokaryotic and Eukaryotic Genomes"" G. Perriere, F. Dorkeld, F. Rechenmann, & C. Gautier [19] ""Petri Net Representations in Metabolic Pathways"" V.N. Reddy, M.L. Mavrovouniotis, & M.L. Liebman [20] ""Minimizing Complexity in Cellular Automata Models of Self-Replication"" J.A. Reggia, H.-H. Chou, S.L. Armentrout, & Y. Peng [21] ""Building Large Knowledge Bases in Molecular Biology"" O. Schmeltzer, C. Medigue, P. Uvietta, F. Rechenmann, F. Dorkeld, G. Perriere, & C. Gautier [22] ""A Service-Oriented Information Sources Database for the Biological Sciences"" G.K. Springer & T.B. Patrick [23] ""Hidden Markov Models and Iterative Aligners: Study of their Equivalence and Possibilities"" H. Tanaka, K. Asai, M. Ishikawa, & A. Konagaya [24] ""Protein Structure Prediction System Based on Artificial Neural Networks"" J. Vanhala & K. Kaski [25] ""Transmembrane Segment Prediction from Protein Sequence Data"" S.M. Weiss, D.M. Cohen & N. Indurkhya TUTORIAL PROGRAM Tutorials will be conducted at the Bethesda Ramada Hotel on Tuesday, July 6. 12:00-2:45pm ""Introduction to Molecular Biology for Computer Scientists"" Prof. Mick Noordewier (Rutgers University) This overview of the essential facts of molecular biology is intended as an introduction to the field for computer scientists who wish to apply their tools to this rich and complex domain. Material covered will include structural and informational molecules, the basic organization of the cell and of genetic material, the ""central dogma"" of gene expression, and selected other topics in the area of structure, function, and regulation as relates to current computational approaches. Dr. Noordewier has appointments in both Computer Science and Biology at Rutgers, and has extensive experience in basic biological research in addition to his current work in computational biology. 12:00-2:45pm ""Introduction to Artificial Intelligence for Biologists"" Dr. Richard Lathrop (MIT & Arris Corp.) An overview of the field of artificial intelligence will be presented, as it relates to actual and potential biological applications. Fundamental techniques, symbolic programming languages, and notions of search will be discussed, as well as selected topics in somewhat greater detail, such as knowledge representation, inference, and machine learning. The intended audience includes biologists with some computational background, but no extensive exposure to artificial intelligence. Dr. Lathrop, co-developer of ARIADNE and related technologies, has worked in the area of artificial intelligence applied to biological problems in both academia and industry. 3:00-5:45pm ""Neural Networks, Statistics, and Information Theory in Biological Sequence Analysis"" Dr. Alan Lapedes (Los Alamos National Laboratory) This tutorial will cover the most rapidly-expanding facet of intelligent systems for molecular biology, that of machine learning techniques applied to sequence analysis. Closely interrelated topics to be addressed include the use of artifical neural networks to elicit both specific signals and general characteristics of sequences, and the relationship of such approaches to statistical techniques and information-theoretic views of sequence data. Dr. Lapedes, of the Theoretical Division at Los Alamos, has long been a leader in the use of such techniques in this domain. 3:00-5:45pm ""Genetic Algorithms and Genetic Programming"" Prof. John Koza (Stanford University) The genetic algorithm, an increasingly popular approach to highly non-linear multi-dimensional optimization problems, was originally inspired by a biological metaphor. This tutorial will cover both the biological motivations, and the actual implementation and characteristics of the algorithm. Genetic Programming, an extension well-suited to problems where the discovery of the size and shape of the solution is a major part of the problem, will also be addressed. Particular attention will be paid to biological applications, and to identifying resources and software that will permit attendees to begin using the methods. Dr. Koza, a Consulting Professor of Computer Science at Stanford, has taught this subject since 1988 and is the author of a standard text in the field. 3:00-5:45pm ""Linguistic Methods in Sequence Analysis"" Prof. David Searls (University of Pennsylvania) & Shmuel Pietrokovski (Weizmann Institute) Approaches to sequence analysis based on linguistic methodologies are increasingly in evidence. These involve the adaptation of tools and techniques from computational linguistics for syntactic pattern recognition and gene prediction, the classification of genetic structures and phenomena using formal language theory, the identification of significant vocabularies and overlapping codes in sequence data, and sequence comparison reflecting taxonomic and functional relatedness. Dr. Searls, who holds research faculty appointments in both Genetics and Computer Science at Penn, represents the branch of this field that considers higher-order syntactic approaches to sequence data, while Shmuel Pietrokovski has studied and published with Prof. Edward Trifinov in the area of word-based analyses. REGISTRATION FORM Mail, with check made out to ""ISMB-93"", to: ISMB Conference, c/o J. 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ORGANIZING COMMITTEE Lawrence Hunter NLM David Searls U. of Pennsylvania Jude Shavlik U. of Wisconsin",13 " I think the point is being missed - that it is apparantly acceptable for Big Government (Big Brother?) to use TANKS to control the people, as long as they don't use the BIG GUN (but everything else is allright...). Tanks deployed against civilians, let alone FIRING on them with crew served weaponry (a .50 Heavy Machine Gun is crew-served) is something both our press and government howl about instantly when done in some other country. Against civilians that have, at most, one-shot-at-a-time LIGHT small arms. Certainly nothing that places the people in or behind the tank in any real danger. Molotov coctails? A round from a rifle or pistol deals with anybody approaching with one of those. And ""snipers"" too often turn out to be strays from other cops/guard/army gunfire. I don't know about the other people in this group (or on the net) but the idea of tanks being used to control civilians, in anything that pretends to be a free society is outrageous. When Big Government feels it is necessary to use that kind of force to stomp out protests (even violent) of the citizens, that suggests that the government is totally out of control, since that is effectively the government declaring war on its own people. If the government was living up to its responsibility, government of the people BY THE PEOPLE, not the 'lords' and other elites who want to keep their good thing going, the citizens wouldn't feel the need to be resorting to acts that need to be squashed with a military boot. People do things like that because they have become convinced that it is the only option that remains, other attempts to have grievances redressed have been ignored. And yes, there is a criminal element that will exploit this, but the fact remains that the government has been unresponsive or such acts wouldn't be apt to happen. Still not an excuse to open up on civilians with tanks, heavy machine guns, or whatever. Its the old 'might makes right' philosophy that is the hallmark of a government going rogue: They don't like it? Tough. We will simply squash them under an iron boot. Actually addressing their grievances in other than token fashion with huge volumes of hot air is just too inconvenient... Sort of a variation on mushroom management: Keep them in the dark, Smother them with shit, and Crush them when ready... And these are the folks that many liberals are trying to arrange things so that they will have a MONOPOLY on coercive force (firearms that are than expensive toys...) by gutting the Bill of Rights (cuz it just isn't PROGRESSIVE or doesn't fit in with MODERN THINKING anymore)... Unbelievable. And I do believe amid the smoke, confusion, etc of a real riot situation, that it would be POSSIBLE for a tank to get away with firing the main gun into a building at close range? One would hear an explosion among many explosions. It is loud, but it is not going to stand out like a 1000 pound bomb or a tactical nuke. There would be a hole blown in the wall, and some rubble, but with tanks knocking over walls, and other sources of buildings turning into rubble, and other covering racket such as gunfire, including 50's tacking away, it would not stand out that much, and could be explained by ""musta been a gas leak... "". I think it could be done and not be reported under such conditions - it is POSSIBLE. It is not like a tank driving down a quiet street on a Sunday afternoon, turning and firing, you know. THAT would stand out, and be pretty impossible to cover up. ",16 "So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the ""natural look"" or the ""waxy shit"" category? I wear something on my lips to keep them from drying out. Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either. Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't! Noemi speaks for herself. Beth",8 "WINDOWS NT I need some information on the new Windows NT. Anything you have would be appreciated. I know nothing about it. (Well, except that it exists.) Some questions... Memory requirements, hard drive space, release date? is it out? How is IBM reacting? Intel? Can it replace other LAN OS's? ANYTHING else like specs, speed, etc.. Thanks in advance! Luke",2 "Jesus isn't God ? When Jesus returns some people may miss Him ? What version of the Bible do you read Mike ? Jesus is God incarnate (in flesh) . Jesus said, 'I and the Father are one.' Jesus was taken up to heaven after His 40 day post-resurrection stint and the angels who were there assured the apostles that Jesus would return the same way and that everyone will see the coming. That's why Jesus warned that many would come claiming to be Him but that we would know when Jesus actually returns. These are two very large parts of my faith and you definitely hit a nerve :-)",15 " A nice formulation for the introduction of the first encryption devices with built-in trapdoors - just like the Feds wanted... Bla-bla. Indeed, and the current proposal does nothing to prevent the latter. This doesn't say much. There are many incredibly weak encryption algorithms in commercial use today... Except from the government. Nope. The criminals won't be stupid enough to use the new chip, they'll use something secure. This technology provides only means to intercept the phone conversations of people who are stupid enough to use it. That is, the government has the keys. It doesn't matter much if they are in one or in two of its hands... Correct. It does, however, provide those Americans with the false sense of privacy. If the screening is not public, it cannot be trusted. Some people do not trust DES even today, after all the examinations - only because some parts of its design were kept secret. So they'll use a different technology to hide their illegal activities. So will those law-abiding citizens, who do not trust their government not to misuse its abilities to decrypt their conversations. Except from the government. Huh? Later it says that the new technology will be export restricted. In short, the new technology can: 1) Protect the law abiding citizen's privacy from the casual snooper. It cannot: 1) Protect him from the government, if it decides to misuse its ability to decrypt the conversations. 2) Protect him from the criminals who succeed to break the new encryption scheme or to steal the keys, or to bribe the people who handle them, etc. 3) Prevent the criminals from using secure encryption for communication. Correct. However, it does not provide them that much privacy as it claims. Two candidates: the NSA and the Mafia. That is, ""trust us"". ""Security through obscurity"". If it's not entirely open to public examination, it cannot be trusted. Besides, who can prove that the devices used for examination and the ones built into your phones will be the same? The NSA and the FBI? Why did they ""forget"" the Academia? Doesn't this smell to monopolism? Like the Mafia? This is the main question, why was it buried at the end? ""We'll see"". ""Trust us"". In short, ""If we decide to outlaw strong crypto, we'll tell you"". Since the US government seems to consider strong crypto as munitions and since the US constitutions guarantees the right to every American to bear arms, why is not every American entitled, as a matter of right, to an unbreakable commercial encryption product? Bullshit. The proposed technology provides a false sense of security, encryption devices with built-in capabilities for breaking the encryption, does not prevent the criminals to use strong crypto, and is a step to outlaw strong crypto. Who was the optimist who believed that the new administration will leave the export controls on strong crypto devices? OK, I'm not American, it's not my business, but I just couldn't resist to comment... The whole plot looks so totalitaristic... It's up to you, Americans, to fight for your rights. Regards, Vesselin P.S. Now is the time for David Sternlight to pop up and claim that the new system is great.",11 " I didnot know that ""Master of wisdom"" can be ""name clling"" too, unless you consider yourself deserve-less ! That was only to confuse you! (ha ha ha hey ) ^^^^^^^ are you trying to retaliate and confuse me here. First, my above statement doesnot say that ""the existence of israeli citizens in the WB revoke their right of life"" but it says ""the israeli occupation of the WB revoke the right of life for some/most its citizens - basically revokes the right of for its military men"". Clearly, occupation is an undeclared war; during war, attacks against military targets are fully legitimate. Secondly, surely israeli have human rights, but they ask their goverment to protect it by withdrawing from the occupied terretories, not by further oppressing Palestinean human rights. Because not all states are like Israel, as oppressive, as ignorant, or as tyrant. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ So you agree that that an israeli solution wouldnot preserve human rights. (i am understanding this from your first statement in this paragraph). Exactly, you are right. I guess that the problem is that the israeli goverment is full with men like Joseph Weitz. Above you wrote that you understood what i meant (underlined by ^ ): any system can be used to solve the conflict , but not any system would resolve it JUSTLY. You are proving yourself as a "" "". First you understood what i meant, but then you claim you didnot so to claim a contradiction in my logic. Too bad for you, the Master of Wisdom. Why do you feel ashamed by things and facts that you believe in , if you were a Zionists. If you believe in Zionist codes and acts, well i feel sorry for you, because the same Rabbi Shoham had said ""Yes, Zionism is racism"". If you feel ashamed and bothered by the Zionist codes, then drop Zionism. If you are not Zionist, why are you bothered then. You should join me in condemning these racist Zionist codes and acts. Hasan ",17 " Last I checked I was one person, I haven't even been elected as a representative for ""gaydom"". Should I ascribe every thing you say as representing every member of the straight community? Thats the point. If there are several million queers in DC you had better start wondering about the validity of the study. ",18 " No. reverse lights are to warn others that you are backing up. They aren't bright enough to (typically) see by without the brake and tail lights. Well, red and orange were already taken. Maybe white defines the direction that the car is moving in. If you really want to be able to see behind you, get some fog lamps for the back of the car. These work very well - and are a good way to get rid of tailgaters if you get that rush of testosterone.",7 "I think the Israeli press might be a tad bit biased in reporting the events. I doubt the Propaganda machine of Goering reported accurately on what was happening in Germany. It is interesting that you are basing the truth on Israeli propaganda. ",17 " : When the object of their belief is said to be perfect and make the believers : act in a certain way and we observe that they don't, we have a contradiction. : Something defined contradictorily cannot exist. That what the believe in does : not exist. Secondly, there are better explanations for why they believe than : the existence of the object of their belief. : : : Have you read the FAQ already? : Benedikt Benedikt, I can't recall anyone claiming that God -makes- anyone act a particlar way, I think that you're attempting to manufacture a contradiction. God is said to require certain behavior, but the only compulsion is the believer's sense of duty. A standard of conduct does exist, but we are free to ignore it or misunderstand it or distort it in whatever ways we find convenient, but our response to God's edicts can in no way be used to question God's existence. The behavior of believers is a completely separate question from that of God's existence; there is nothing contradictory here. To say that something defined contadictorily cannot exist, is really asking too much; you would have existence depend on grammar. All you can really say is that something is poorly defined, but that in itself is insufficient to decide anything (other than confusion of course). Your point that there are better reasons for the phenomenon of belief than the object of belief may lead to a rat's nest of unnecessary complexity. I think I know what you're implying, but I'd like to see your version of this better alternative just the same.",0 " Other alternatives include output of vmstat, iostat, pstat and friends with various flags, or even better crash. e.g. on an RS/6000 (AIX 3.2) you can get lots of relatively unpredicatble data out of crash. (the output from the following script usually gives about 600k of goo on a moderately busy system.) #!/bin/sh crash <}So, according to you, Jim, the only way to criticize one person for }>}taking a quote out of context, without being a hypocrite, is to post a }>}response to *every* person on t.r.m who takes a quote out of context? } }Jim replied by saying }>Did I either ask or assert that? } }But today we find four articles from Jim, one of which has the subject So? As of then, and pointing out a specific instance. Wrongo again. }>Is it not the case that, in the eyes of the law, when someone is aware of }>something and has the capability of taking action and does not, that individual }>may be held responsible for that action? } }Which is, of course, a complete red herring. Taking quotes out of }context isn't a crime. I don't have time to read every article on }t.r.m., and I'm certainly under no obligation to reply to them all. So? Check the newsgroups? }Does ""silence is concurrence"" imply that Jim thinks that because I }didn't respond to Weiss' articles I must condone Weiss' taking quotes }out of context? Jim doesn't want to give a direct answer to this }question; read what he has written and decide for yourself. Telepathy again? You claim to know what I ""want"". }But back to the context of my conversation with Jim. Jim's next }gambit was to claim that he was using inductive logic when he }concluded that I was being a hypocrite. I challenged him to provide }the details of that logic that led him to an incorrect conclusion. No. YOu asked specifically what was wrong with yours. }Today we find another obscure article (posting it twice didn't help Maybe to the ignorant. I accept your classification. }More red herrings. Could Jim mean that he has read an uncountably large }number of my articles? Do you know what ""uncountably large"" means? It does not appear so. }Could Jim mean that because I ""axed"" his articles, }but not Weiss' articles, he wants to conclude inductively ... }Well, I can't see where he is going with this. I am not suprised. }But I can help him with his induction. I've written roughly 80 That does not appear to be the case. The appearance of your ""Argument"" is more like that Captain Kirk would have gotten from Mr. Spock - written by a stagehand at Paramount. }Think hard about this Jim. See the pattern? Think harder. Run it }through your induction engine and see what pops out. ",19 "April 19, 1993 As William O. Douglas noted, ""If a powerful sponsor is lacking, individual liberty withers -- in spite of glowing opinions and resounding constitutional phrases."" The legislative scorecard outlined below resulted from subcommittee, committee, and floor action. Many important victories, however, come from coordinating with legislators to ensure anti-gun/anti-hunting legislation is either amended favorably, rejected, or never voted. These quiet victories are no less impressive in protecting our fundamental civil liberties guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. **** Arizona - SB 1233, NRA-supported legislation concerning minors in criminal possession of firearms passed the House 36-18, is currently awaiting action by the Governor. Arkansas - HB 1447, Firearms Preemption Legislation was signed by the Governor making this the forty-first state to pass preemption. Preemption had passed twice in previous sessions only to be vetoed by then Gov. Bill Clinton. HB 1417, mandatory storage of firearms, amended and then killed in committee. Colorado - SB 42, mandating the storage of firearms with a trigger-lock, killed in committee. SB 104, prohibiting the sale of certain semi-auto firearms was killed in committee. SB 108, so-called Colorado Handgun Violence Prevention Act, including a provision for a 10-day waiting period, killed in committee. Connecticut - Substitute Bill No. 6372, imposing a 6% tax on all firearms, ammunition, and archery equipment killed in Environment Committee. Florida - A bill to require a 3-year license at a cost of $150 to own or possess semi-automatic firearms with a second degree felony provision (15 years in prison) died in committee along with numerous other anti-gun owner bills. No anti-gun legislation passed in Florida this year. Georgia - SB 12, supposed instant check with provision allowing for up to a 7-day ""waiting period,"" defeated in House Public Safety Committee and sent to Interim Study committee. Mandatory storage bill -- SB 247 -- was defeated 39-15 in the Senate. The same bill passed the upper-House 52-2 in 1992. Illinois - HB 90, prohibiting the sale, possession, manufacture, purchase, possession, or carrying of certain semi-auto firearms, was defeated in House Judiciary II Subcommittee on Firearms. HB 91, mandatory storage legislation, failed in House Judiciary Subcommittee on Firearms. HB 1550, repeals FOID and makes FTIP, point of sale check permanent, passed out of Judiciary Committee by a 10-4-2 vote. Presently on the calendar for third reading in the House. SB 40, mandatory storage bill, defeated in committee. SB 265, imposing a handgun excise tax, failed in Senate committee on Revenue's Subcommittee on Tax Increases. SB 272,imposing a tax on all persons engaged in the business of selling firearms, failed in Senate Revenue Committee's Subcommittee on Tax Increases. Indiana - SB 241, Statewide Firearms Preemption, passed in the Senate 34-16, and in the House 77-22. Twelve amendments were introduced on the House floor to SB 241. Among these amendments were a ban on certain semi-auto firearms, Mandatory Storage, Trigger-Lock, a ban on ""Saturday Night Specials"" (Similar to 1988 Maryland Bill), and Handgun Rationing (one handgun per month). All were defeated. [I read this morning (4/20) S.B. 241 was defeated -- lvc] Kansas - HB 2435, providing for a 72-hour waiting period on all firearms was defeated in committee. HB 2458, presently on the Governor's desk, HB 2459 and SB 243 and 266 all relating to victims' rights, are expected to be enacted into law. Maine - Funding for the Department of Fish and Wildlife 1993-94 budget, was restored following severe reductions in the Governor's proposed budget. LD 612, an anti-hunting bill which included reverse posting and 1000 yard safety zones, killed in committee. Maryland - SB 6-(Firearms Incendiary ammunition) died in committee on a 8-3 vote, SB 41 (Reckless Endangerment - Firearms - Sale or Transfer) died in committee on a 11-0 vote, SB 126 (Gun Control - ""Assault Weapons"") died in committee on 9-2 vote, SB 182 (Weapons -Free School Zone) was withdrawn, SB 185 (Weapons on School Property- Driver's License Suspension was withdrawn, SB 265 (""Assault Pistols"" - Sale, Purchase or Transport) died in committee on 8-3 vote, SB 328 (""Assault Pistols"" Act of 1993) died in committee on a 8-3 vote, SB 682 (Baltimore City-Firearms-Rifles and Shotguns) died in committee on a 9-2 vote. HB 274 (Pistol and Revolver Dealers Licenses - compliance with zoning laws) was withdrawn, HB 366 (Regulated Firearms-sales and transfer) died on the Senate Floor, HB 374 (Handguns and ""assault weapons"" - Advertising for sale or transfer) died in committee, HB 384 (Handguns and ""Assault Weapons"" - Exhibitors) died in committee, HB 495 (""Assault Pistols"" Act of 1993) died in committee on a 14-9 vote, HB 496 (Gun Shows-Sale, Trade, or Transfer of regulated firearms) died in committee on a 19-6 vote, HB 601 (Firearms - Handguns - ""Assault Pistols"" - Handgun Roster Board) was withdrawn, HB 683 (Rifles and Shotguns - Registration) was withdrawn, HB 945 (Pistols and Revolvers - Private sales or transfers- required notice) died in committee, and HB 1128 Prince Georges County - Weapons - Free School Zone) was withdrawn. Mississippi - HB 141, closing a loophole allowing felons to possess firearms, passed both Houses and signed by the Governor. The bill codifies into law mechanism for certain felons to have their Second Amendment liberties reinstated. Nebraska - LB 83 and LB 225, mandatory trigger-lock bills, killed in committee. New Hampshire - H.B. 363, providing for reciprocity for concealed carry licenses passed. H.B. 671, increasing the term of a License to Carry Loaded Handguns passed. New Mexico - SB 762, imposing a 7-day ""waiting period,"" defeated in Senate committee (0-5) and then on floor of the Senate (15-24). HB 182, mandatory storage legislation, was killed by a vote of 1-8 in committee. HB 230, legislation safeguarding sportsmen in the field from harassment by animal rights extremists, signed into law by the Governor on March 30. New York - Seven-day waiting period was defeated in the City of Buffalo. Ban on certain semi-autos was defeated in Monroe County. The tax and fee bills to be imposed on guns and ammo were not included in the 1993-94 budget. SB 207, making pistol licenses provides for validity of pistol license throughout the state, passed Senate. Currently awaiting action in Assembly committee. North Dakota - HB 1484, granting victims compensation in certain circumstances, was signed into law by the Governor on April 8. Oregon - SB 334, banning firearms on school grounds and in court buildings, withdrawn as a result of gun owners opposition. Rhode Island - HB 5273, mandatory firearms storage legislation, defeated in committee by a vote of 8-5. HB 6347, an act prohibiting aliens from owning firearm; defeated by unanimous vote in committee. HB 5650, excepting NRA instructors from the firearms safety requirement, reported favorably. HB 5781, exempting persons with an Attorney General's permit from the 7-day waiting period, reported to the floor by a vote of 11-1. HB 6917, extending the term of a permit to carry from two years to three years, reported to the floor unanimously. Utah HB 290, reforming the state's concealed carry statute, passed out of House committee. SB 32, creating civil liability for so-called negligent storage of a firearm, and SB 33 creating the offense of ""reckless endangerment"" with a firearm, killed on Senate floor. Virginia: S.B. 336, and S.B. 803, requiring proof of state residence to obtain Virginia Driver's License passed. S.B. 804, which increases the penalty and imposes a mandatory minimum sentence for ""straw man"" purchases of multiple firearms passed. S.B. 858, allowing possession of ""sawed-off"" rifles and shotguns in compliance with federal law passed. S.B. 1054, making it a felony for first offense of carrying a concealed firearm without a license (which the NRA opposes until law-abiding citizens can acquire a concealed carry license for self-defense), was defeated. H.B. 1900, increasing the penalty for use of a firearm in committing a felony was passed. H.B. 2076, requiring proof of residence to obtain a driver's license passed. H.B. 2272, providing for a referendum on the imposition of a statewide three- day ""waiting period"" in handgun purchases was defeated. Washington: SB 5160, calling for waiting periods and licensing for all semi-automatic firearms, died in committee. West Virginia - S.C.R. 18, which calls for a study to control transfers of handguns and ""Assault Weapons"" was defeated in the Senate 24-10. Wisconsin - In a referendum up against all odds, the determined efforts of the Madison Area Citizens Against Crime paid off on April 6 when a nonbinding referendum banning the possession of handguns in Madison, Wisconsin, was defeated. Despite opposition to the ban -- aired largely by firearms owners at a series of public meetings on the issue -- the Common Council voted on February 17 to place the referendum on the ballot, allowing only seven weeks of campaigning to reverse public opinion on the controversial issue. An October 1992 poll conducted by the Wisconsin State Journal found 57% in support and 38% opposed, with 5% expressing no opinion. By election day, of the more than 56,000 voters who went to the polls, 51% cast ballots in opposition to the proposal while 49% voted to have the Madison Common Council enact such a ban. The campaign committee, spearheaded by the Wisconsin Pro-Gun Movement and NRA-ILA, relied on neighborhood canvassing, direct mail and radio/TV advertising to educate voters on the civil liberties implications raised by enforcement of the ban if the referendum was approved. Despite the surprising defeat, it is expected that the Madison initiative's chief proponent, Mayor Paul Soglin, will attempt to have the Common Council enact an ordinance banning handguns. Downloaded from GUN-TALK (703-719-6406) A service of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action Washington, DC 20036",16 "Well, it's been fun. This is my last day at Bellcore and It will be a while before I have net access again (taking time off and scheduling Military Schools for the summer on joint operations, and anything else that looks good). I have had a blast reading, responding and commenting on things posted here. My final say is 9mm's are inferior to .45's errr oh wrong news group. Hopefully I'll be back. I guess ""internet withdrawl"" starts around 1pm or so and considering I never knew inet existed 2 years ago I am really going to miss it. OH yea, to the guy who called me this morning about the ""Military issue"" boots, good luck, I think you will be happy with the tankers boots.",8 "Just a quick reminder: The way you are interpreting those passages is your opinion. You make it sound as if your opinion is somehow an undisputable fact. Many would interpret the passages you cite very differently. (Many have--several of the great theologians you mentioned do that very thing. These were people who had much more expertise in the interpretation of scripture than you or me or probably anyone reading this newsgroup. To say that all of them are wrong and you are right is, in my opinion, (notice those last three words) coming pretty darn close to the sin of pride. In the future I would suggest you not be so absolutist in your interpretations, especially when contradicting highly respected doctors of Christianity.",15 " This is the problem. This is not hell, this is permanent death. It is indeed what atheists (generally) expect and it is neither fair nor unfair, it just is. You might as well argue about whether being made mostly of carbon and water is ""fair"". However, the atheists who claim that Hell is unfair are talking about the fire and brimstone place of endless suffering, which necessarily includes eternal existance (life, I dunno, but some sort of continuation); not at all the same thing. Granted, you clearly feel that hell=death, but this is not a univeral sentiment as near as I can tell. If *your* idea of God ""condemns"" heathens to ordinary death, I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with the gods that hide from humans and torture the unbelievers eternally for not guessing right. [deletia- Hell, and Literalness.] --- - Dan Johnson And God said ""Jeeze, this is dull""... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0",15 " Since when does atheism mean trashing other religions?There must be a God of inbreeding to which you are his only son.",0 " I don't like this comment about ""Typical"" thinking. You could state your interpretation of Exodus without it. As I read Exodus I can see a lot of killing there, which is painted by the author of the bible in ideological/religious colors. The history in the desert can be seen as an ethos of any nomadic people occupying a land. That's why I think it is a great book with which descendants Arabs, Turks and Mongols can unify as well. ",17 "Is there aything available for X similar to QuicKeys for the Macintosh -- something that will allow me to store and playback sequences of keystrokes, menu selections, and mouse actions - directing them towards another application? If so, could someone send me information on its availability -- and if not, how hard do we think it might be to send input to other X applications and, hopefully, deal with their responses appropriately? (If an application is going to take a few seconds to process I probably have to wait for it to complete before sending another command.) thanks,",5 " Also, Alomar got a FAR greater boost from his home park than Baerga did from his. And ""six or seven home runs""? Hmm. So, if you wanted to pick a second baseman to play in Toronto, you'd take Alomar. Anywhere else, and you'd probably take Baerga. Mike",9 "Hey folks-- I've got a pair of Dunlop sportmax radials of my ZX-10, and they've been very sticky (ie no slides yet), but all this talk about the Metzelers has me wondering if my next set should be a Lazer comp K and a radial Metzeler rear...for hard sport-touring, how do the choices stack up?",8 ,14 "------------- cut here ----------------- HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 13 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Gonorrhea -- Colorado, 1985-1992 ================================ SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 The number of reported cases of gonorrhea in Colorado increased 19.9% from 1991 to 1992 after declining steadily during the 1980s. In comparison, in the United States, reported cases of gonorrhea in 1992 continued an overall decreasing trend (1). This report summarizes an analysis of the increase in gonorrhea in Colorado in 1992 and characterizes trends in the occurrence of this disease from 1985 through 1992. In 1992, 4679 cases of gonorrhea were reported to the Colorado Department of Health (CDH) compared with 3901 cases reported in 1991. During 1992, reported cases increased 22.7% and 17.5% among females and males, respectively (Table 1). Similar increases occurred among blacks, whites, and Hispanics (15.6%, 15.1%, and 15.9%, respectively); however, the number of reported cases with race not specified increased 88% from 1991 to 1992 and constituted 9.7% of all reported cases in 1992. Although the largest proportional increases by age groups occurred among persons aged 35-44 years (80.4%) and greater than or equal to 45 years (87.7%), these age groups accounted for only 11.0% of all reported cases in 1992. Persons in the 15-19-year age group accounted for the largest number of reported cases of gonorrhea during 1992 and the highest age group-specific rate (639 per 100,000). Reported cases of gonorrhea increased 32.9% in the five-county Denver metropolitan area (1990 population: 1,629,466) but decreased elsewhere in the state (Table 1). Half the cases of gonorrhea in the Denver metropolitan area occurred in 8.4% (34) of the census tracts; these represent neighborhoods considered by sexually transmitted diseases (STDs)/acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) field staff to be the focus of gang and drug activity. When compared with 1991, the number of gonorrhea cases diagnosed among men in the Denver Metro Health Clinic (DMHC, the primary public STD clinic in the Denver metropolitan area) increased 33% in 1992, and the number of visits by males to the clinic increased 2.4%. Concurrently, the number of cases diagnosed among women increased by 1%. Among self-identified heterosexual men, the number of gonorrhea cases diagnosed at DMHC increased 33% and comprised 94% of all cases diagnosed in males, while the number of cases diagnosed among self-identified homosexual men remained low (71 and 74 in 1991 and 1992, respectively). Four selected laboratories in the metropolitan Denver area (i.e., HMO, university hospital, nonprofit family planning, and commercial) were contacted to determine whether gonorrhea culture-positivity rates increased. Gonorrhea culture-positivity rates in three of four laboratories contacted increased 23%-33% from 1991 to 1992, while the rate was virtually unchanged in the fourth (i.e., nonprofit family planning). From 1985 through 1991, reported cases of gonorrhea among whites and Hispanics in Colorado decreased; in comparison, reported cases among blacks HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 14 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 increased since 1988 (Figure 1). During 1988-1992, the population in Colorado increased 9.9% for blacks, 9.8% for Hispanics, and 4.5% for whites. In 1992, the gonorrhea rate for blacks (1935 per 100,000 persons) was 57 times that for whites (34 per 100,000) and 12 times that for Hispanics (156 per 100,000) (Table 1). Among black females, reported cases of gonorrhea increased from 1988 through 1992 in the 15-19-year age group; among black males, cases increased from 1989 through 1992 in both the 15-19-and 20-24-year age groups. Reported by: KA Gershman, MD, JM Finn, NE Spencer, MSPH, STD/AIDS Program; RE Hoffman, MD, State Epidemiologist, Colorado Dept of Health. JM Douglas, MD, Denver Dept of Health and Hospitals. Surveillance and Information Systems Br, Div of Sexually Transmitted Diseases and HIV Prevention, National Center for Prevention Svcs, CDC. Editorial Note: The increase in reported gonorrhea cases in Colorado in 1992 may represent an overall increase in the occurrence of this disease or more complete reporting stimulated by visitations to laboratories by CDH surveillance staff during 1991-1992. The increases in confirmed gonorrhea cases at DMHC and in culture-positivity rates in three of four laboratories suggest a real increase in gonorrhea rather than a reporting artifact. However, the stable culture-positivity rate in the nonprofit family planning laboratory (which serves a network of clinics statewide) indicates that the gonorrhea increase did not uniformly affect all segments of the population. One possible explanation for the increased occurrence of gonorrhea in Colorado may be gang- and drug-related sexual behavior, as implicated in a recent outbreak of drug-resistant gonorrhea and other STDs in Colorado Springs (2). Although the high morbidity census tracts in the Denver metropolitan area coincide with areas of gang and drug activity, this hypothesis requires further assessment. To examine the possible role of drug use -- implicated previously as a factor contributing to the national increase in syphilis (3-6) -- the CDH STD/AIDS program is collecting information from all persons in whom gonorrhea is diagnosed regarding drug use, exchange of sex for money or drugs, and gang affiliation. The gonorrhea rate for blacks in Colorado substantially exceeds the national health objective for the year 2000 (1300 per 100,000) (objective 19.1a) (7). Race is likely a risk marker rather than a risk factor for gonorrhea and other STDs. Risk markers may be useful for identifying groups at greatest risk for STDs and for targeting prevention efforts. Moreover, race- specific variation in STD rates may reflect differences in factors such as socioeconomic status, access to medical care, and high-risk behaviors. In response to the increased occurrence of gonorrhea in Colorado, interventions initiated by the CDH STD/AIDS program include 1) targeting partner notification in the Denver metropolitan area to persons in groups at increased risk (e.g., 15-19-year-old black females and 20-24-year-old black males); 2) implementing a media campaign (e.g., public service radio HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 15 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 announcements, signs on city buses, newspaper advertisements, and posters in schools and clinics) to promote awareness of STD risk and prevention targeted primarily at high-risk groups, and 3) developing teams of peer educators to perform educational outreach in high-risk neighborhoods. The educational interventions are being developed and implemented with the assistance of members of the target groups and with input from a forum of community leaders and health-care providers. References 1. CDC. Table II. Cases of selected notifiable diseases, United States, weeks ending December 26, 1992, and December 28, 1991 (52nd week). MMWR 1993;41:975. 2. CDC. Gang-related outbreak of penicillinase-producing Neisseria gonorrhoeae and other sexually transmitted diseases -- Colorado Springs, Colorado, 1989- 1991. MMWR 1993;42:25-8. 3. CDC. Relationship of syphilis to drug use and prostitution -- Connecticut and Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. MMWR 1988;37:755-8, 764. 4. Rolfs RT, Goldberg M, Sharrar RG. Risk factors for syphilis: cocaine use and prostitution. Am J Public Health 1990;80:853-7. 5. Andrus JK, Fleming DW, Harger DR, et al. Partner notification: can it control epidemic syphilis? Ann Intern Med 1990;112:539-43. 6. Gershman KA, Rolfs RT. Diverging gonorrhea and syphilis trends in the 1980s: are they real? Am J Public Health 1991;81:1263-7. 7. Public Health Service. Healthy people 2000: national health promotion and disease prevention objectives--full report, with commentary. Washington, DC: US Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, 1991; DHHS publication no. (PHS)91-50212. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 16 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Effectiveness in Disease and Injury Prevention Impact of Adult Safety-Belt Use on Restraint Use Among Children less than 11 Years of Age -- Selected States, 1988 and 1989 ====================================================== SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 Motor-vehicle crashes are the leading cause of death among children and young adults in the United States and account for more than 1 million years of potential life lost before age 65 annually (1). Child safety seats and safety belts can substantially reduce this loss (2). From 1977 through 1985, all 50 states passed legislation requiring the use of child safety seats or safety belts for children. Although these laws reduce injuries to young children by an estimated 8%-59% (3,4), motor-vehicle crash-related injuries remain a major cause of disability and death among U.S. children (1), while the use of occupant restraints among children decreases inversely with age (84% usage for those aged 0-4 years; 57%, aged 5-11 years; and 29%, aged 12-18 years) (5). In addition, parents who do not use safety belts themselves are less likely to use restraints for their children (6). To characterize the association between adult safety-belt use and adult-reported consistent use of occupant restraints for the youngest child aged less than 11 years within a household, CDC analyzed data obtained from the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) during 1988 and 1989. This report summarizes the findings from this study. Data were available for 20,905 respondents aged greater than or equal to 18 years in 11 states * that participated in BRFSS -- a population-based, random-digit-dialed telephone survey -- and administered a standard Injury Control and Child Safety Module developed by CDC. Of these respondents, 5499 (26%) had a child aged less than 11 years in their household. Each respondent was asked to specify the child's age and the frequency of restraint use for that child. The two categories of child restraint and adult safety-belt use in this analysis were 1) consistent use (i.e., always buckle up) and 2) less than consistent use (i.e., almost always, sometimes, rarely, or never buckle up). Data were weighted to provide estimates representative of each state. Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) (7) was used to calculate point estimates and confidence intervals. Statistically significant differences were defined by p values of less than 0.05. Each of the 11 states had some type of child restraint law. Of these, six (Arizona, Kentucky, Maine, Nebraska, Rhode Island, and West Virginia) had no law requiring adults to use safety belts; four (Idaho, Maryland, Pennsylvania, and Washington) had a secondary enforcement mandatory safety-belt law (i.e., a vehicle had to be stopped for a traffic violation before a citation for nonuse of safety belts could be issued); and one state (New York) had a primary enforcement mandatory safety-belt law (i.e., vehicles could be stopped for a safety-belt law violation alone). In nine states, child-passenger protection HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 17 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 laws included all children aged less than 5 years, but the other two states used both age and size of the child as criteria for mandatory restraint use. The analysis in this report subgrouped states into 1) those having a law requiring adult safety-belt use (law states), and 2) those without such a law (no-law states). Overall, 21% of children aged less than 11 years reportedly were not consistently restrained during automobile travel. Both child restraint use and adult restraint use were significantly higher (p less than 0.05, chi-square test) in law states than in no-law states (81.1% versus 74.3% and 58.7% versus 43.2%, respectively). High rates of restraint use for children aged less than or equal to 1 year were reported by both adults indicating consistent and less than consistent safety-belt use (Figure 1). Adults with consistent use reported high rates of child-occupant restraint use regardless of the child's age (range: 95.5% for 1-year-olds to 84.7% for 10-year-olds). In comparison, for adults reporting less than consistent safety-belt use, the rate of child- occupant restraint use declined sharply by the age of the child (range: 93.1% for 1-year-olds to 28.8% for 10-year-olds). When comparing children of consistent adult safety-belt users with children of less than consistent adult safety-belt users, 95% confidence intervals overlap for the two youngest age groups (i.e., aged less than 1 and 1 year). Reported child-occupant restraint use in law states generally exceeded that in no-law states, regardless of age of child (Table 1). In addition, higher adult educational attainment was significantly associated with increased restraint use for children, a factor that has also been associated with increased adult safety-belt use (8). Reported by: National Center for Injury Prevention and Control; National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion, CDC. Editorial Note: The findings in this report are consistent with others indicating that adults who do not use safety belts themselves are less likely to employ occupant restraints for their children (6,9). Because these nonbelted adults are at increased risk of crashing and more likely to exhibit other risk-taking behaviors, children traveling with them may be at greater risk for motor-vehicle injury (10). Educational attainment of adult respondents was inversely associated with child restraint use in this report. Accordingly, occupant-protection programs should be promoted among parents with low educational attainment. Because low educational attainment is often associated with low socioeconomic status, such programs should be offered to adults through health-care facilities that serve low-income communities or through federal programs (i.e., Head Start) that are directed at parents with young children. Injury-prevention programs emphasize restraining young children. In addition, however, efforts must be intensified to protect child occupants as HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 18 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 they become older. Parents, especially those with low educational attainment, those who do not consistently wear safety belts, and those from states that do not have mandatory safety-belt use laws, should be encouraged to wear safety belts and to protect their children by using approved child safety seats and safety belts. Finally, the increased use of restraints among children may increase their likelihood of using safety belts when they become teenagers -- the age group characterized by the lowest rate of safety-belt use and the highest rate of fatal crashes (5). References 1. CDC. Childhood injuries in the United States. Am J Dis Child 1990;144:627- 46. 2. Partyka SC. Papers on child restraints: effectiveness and use. Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 1988; report no. DOT-HS-807-286. 3. Guerin D, MacKinnon D. An assessment of the California child passenger restraint requirement. Am J Public Health 1985;75:142-4. 4. Hall W, Orr B, Suttles D, et al. Progress report on increasing child restraint usage through local education and distribution programs. Chapel Hill, North Carolina: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Highway Safety Research Center, 1983. 5. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. Occupant protection trends in 19 cities. Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, 1991. 6. Wagenaar AC, Molnar LJ, Margolis LH. Characteristics of child safety seat users. Accid Anal Prev 1988;20:311-22. 7. Shah BV, Barnwell BG, Hunt PN, LaVange LM. Software for Survey Data Analysis (SUDAAN) version 5.50 Software documentation. Research Triangle Park, North Carolina: Research Triangle Institute, 1991. 8. Lund AK. Voluntary seat belt use among U.S. drivers: geographic, socioeconomic and demographic variation. Accid Anal Prev 1986;18:43-50. 9. Margolis LH, Wagenaar AC, Molnar LJ. Use and misuse of automobile child restraint devices. Am J Dis Child 1992;146:361-6. 10. Hunter WW, Stutts JC, Stewart JR, Rodgman EA. Characteristics of seatbelt users and non-users in a state with a mandatory use law. Health Education HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 19 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Research 1990;5:161-73. * Arizona, Idaho, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Nebraska, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Washington, and West Virginia. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 20 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Publication of CDC Surveillance Summaries ========================================= SOURCE: MMWR 42(14) DATE: Apr 16, 1993 Since 1983, CDC has published the CDC Surveillance Summaries under separate cover as part of the MMWR series. Each report published in the CDC Surveillance Summaries focuses on public health surveillance; surveillance findings are reported for a broad range of risk factors and health conditions. Summaries for each of the reports published in the most recent (March 19, 1993) issue of the CDC Surveillance Summaries (1) are provided below. All subscribers to MMWR receive the CDC Surveillance Summaries, as well as the MMWR Recommendations and Reports, as part of their subscriptions. SURVEILLANCE FOR AND COMPARISON OF BIRTH DEFECT PREVALENCES IN TWO GEOGRAPHIC AREAS -- UNITED STATES, 1983-88 Problem/Condition: CDC and some states have developed surveillance systems to monitor the birth prevalence of major defects. Reporting Period Covered: This report covers birth defects surveillance in metropolitan Atlanta, Georgia, and selected jurisdictions in California for the years 1983-1988. Description of System: The California Birth Defects Monitoring Program and the Metropolitan Atlanta Congenital Defects Program are two population- based surveillance systems that employ similar data collection methods. The prevalence estimates for 44 diagnostic categories were based on data for 1983- 1988 for 639,837 births in California and 152,970 births in metropolitan Atlanta. The prevalences in the two areas were compared, adjusting for race, sex, and maternal age by using Poisson regression. Results: Regional differences in the prevalence of aortic stenosis, fetal alcohol syndrome, hip dislocation/dysplasia, microcephalus, obstruction of the kidney/ureter, and scoliosis/lordosis may be attributable to general diagnostic variability. However, differences in the prevalences of arm/hand limb reduction, encephalocele, spina bifida, or trisomy 21 (Down syndrome) are probably not attributable to differences in ascertainment, because these defects are relatively easy to diagnose. Interpretation: Regional differences in prenatal diagnosis and pregnancy termination may affect prevalences of trisomy 21 and spina bifida. However, the reason for differences in arm/hand reduction is unknown, but may be related to variability in environmental exposure, heterogeneity in the gene pool, or random variation. Actions Taken: Because of the similarities of these data bases, several collaborative studies are being implemented. In particular, the differences in the birth prevalence of spina bifida and Down syndrome will focus attention on the impact of prenatal diagnosis. Authors: Jane Schulman, Ph.D., Nancy HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 21 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Jensvold, M.P.H, Gary M. Shaw, Dr.P.H., California Birth Defects Monitoring Program, March of Dimes Birth Defects Foundation. Larry D. Edmonds, M.S.P.H., Anne B. McClearn, Division of Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, National Center for Environmental Health, CDC. INFLUENZA -- UNITED STATES, 1988-89 Problem/Condition: CDC monitors the emergence and spread of new influenza virus variants and the impact of influenza on morbidity and mortality annually from October through May. Reporting Period Covered: This report covers U.S. influenza surveillance conducted from October 1988 through May 1989. Description of System: Weekly reports from the vital statistics offices of 121 cities provided an index of influenza's impact on mortality; 58 WHO collaborating laboratories reported weekly identification of influenza viruses; weekly morbidity reports were received both from the state and territorial epidemiologists and from 153 sentinel family practice physicians. Nonsystematic reports of outbreaks and unusual illnesses were received throughout the year. Results: During the 1988-89 influenza season, influenza A(H1N1) and B viruses were identified in the United States with essentially equal frequency overall, although both regional and temporal patterns of predominance shifted over the course of the season. Throughout the season increases in the indices of influenza morbidity in regions where influenza A(H1N1) predominated were similar to increases in regions where influenza B predominated. Only 7% of identified viruses were influenza A(H3N2), but isolations of this subtype increased as the season waned, and it subsequently predominated during the 1989-90 season. During the 1988-89 season outbreaks in nursing homes were reported in association with influenza B and A(H3N2) but not influenza A(H1N1). Interpretation: The alternating temporal and geographic predominance of influenza strains A(H1N1) and B during the 1988-89 season emphasizes the importance of continual attention to regional viral strain surveillance, since amantadine is effective only for treatment and prophylaxis of influenza A. Actions Taken: Weekly interim analyses of surveillance data produced throughout the season allow physicians and public health officials to make informed choices regarding appropriate use of amantadine. CDC's annual surveillance allows the observed viral variants to be assessed as candidates for inclusion as components in vaccines used in subsequent influenza seasons. Authors: Louisa E. Chapman, M.D., M.S.P.H., Epidemiology Activity, Office of the Director, Division of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases; Margaret A. Tipple, M.D., Division of Quarantine, National Center for Prevention Services, CDC. Suzanne Gaventa Folger, M.P.H., Health Investigations Branch, Division of Health Studies, Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry. Maurice Harmon, Ph.D., Connaught HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 22 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Laboratories, Pasteur-Mirieux Company, Swiftwater, Pennsylvania. Alan P. Kendal, Ph.D., European Regional Office, World Health Organization, Copenhagen, Denmark. Nancy J. Cox, Ph.D., Influenza Branch, Division of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases; Lawrence B. Schonberger, M.D., M.P.H., Epidemiology Activity, Office of the Director, Division of Viral and Rickettsial Diseases, National Center for Infectious Diseases, CDC. Reference 1. CDC. CDC surveillance summaries (March 19). MMWR 1993;42(no. SS-1). HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 23 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Clinical Research News :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Clinical Research News for Arizona Physicians Vol. 4, No. 4, April 1993 Tucson, Arizona Published monthly by the Office of Public Affairs at The University of Arizona Health Sciences Center. Copyright 1993, The University of Arizona High Tech Assisted Reproductive Technologies Following the birth of the first in vitro fertilization-embryo transfer (IVF- ET) baby in 1978, a host of assisted reproductive technologies have been developed that include IVF-ET, gamete intrafallopian tube transfer (GIFT), embryo cryopreservation (freezing) and gamete micromanipulation. Together, these technologies are referred to as the high-tech assisted reproductive technology (ART) procedures. Ovulation induction, sperm insemination and surgery for tubal disease and/or pathology still are the mainstays of the therapies available for infertility management. However, when these fail, it almost always is appropriate to proceed with one of the ART procedures. Therefore, in addition to a comprehensive basic and general infertility service at The University of Arizona Center for Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility, there is a program of Assisted Reproduction that specializes in ART procedures. This program serves as a tertiary provider for those patients in the state of Arizona whose infertility problems cannot be resolved by the traditional therapies. The following article (on back) describes the ART procedures available in our Center, clarifies appropriate applications for each, and considers the realistic expectations for their success. Procedures included are: o in vitro o fertilization - embryo transfer (IVF-ET), gamete intrafallopian tube transfer o (GIFT), cryopreservation of human embryos and gamete micromanipulation. This article also considers ongoing research in our program that is directed towards improved success of these technologies. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 24 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Future Areas of Research In addition to ongoing research that is directed exclusively toward the management of infertile couples, we are developing the technology to assist couples who are at risk for producing embryos with a serious hereditary disease. This technology involves biopsying the preimplantation human embryo and then subjecting the biopsied cells to genetic analysis using either DNA amplification or fluorescent in situ hybridization. There are recent reports of the successful application of DNA amplification by other centers, for example, for diagnosis of the genes for cystic fibrosis and hemophilia. We hope to apply and further focus fluorescent in situ hybridization technology for probing the X chromosome, the identification of which will provide a scientific basis for counselling patients who exhibit sex-linked disorders. The considerable clinical application of such technology lies in the fact that it circumvents the need for prenatal diagnosis, in addition to the possibility of a subsequent termination of affected fetuses, in order to avoid the birth of affected children. Catherine Racowsky, Ph.D. Associate Professor and Director of Research Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology College of Medicine University of Arizona Tucson, Arizona Applications, Success Rates and Advances for the Management of Infertility The following are the ART procedures available at The University of Arizona Center for Reproductive Endocrinology and Infertility. In Vitro Fertilization - Embryo Transfer is the core ART procedure of our Assisted Reproduction Program. This procedure involves retrieval of unfertilized eggs from the ovary, their insemination in vitro in a dish, and the culture of resultant embryos for 1 or 2 days, before they are transferred to the patient's uterus. All cultures are maintained in an incubator under strictly controlled atmospheric and temperature conditions. Before being processed for use in insemination, semen samples are evaluated in our andrology laboratory using both subjective light microscopy and computer- HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 25 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 assisted semen analyses. To ensure an adequate number of eggs with which to perform IVF-ET, or indeed, GIFT, follicular development is typically stimulated, with gonadotropins (perganol, metrodin), gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH, Factrel, lutrepulse) and/or GnRH analogues (lupron, Depo lupron, synarel). Occasionally, however, IVF-ET is accomplished with eggs obtained in non-stimulated cycles. While some programs utilize laparoscopic egg retrieval in the operating room with the patient under general anesthesia, we undertake the less costly approach of ultrasound-guided retrieval in our Infertility Unit, with the patient sedated. Couples who resort to IVF-ET exhibit such pathologies as tubal deficiencies, ovulatory dysfunction, endometriosis, and/or mild forms of male factor infertility. According to the United States IVF Registry, the overall success rate for IVF-ET nationwide has stabilized at about 14 percent per cycle. Results from our program, involving 86 patients who have undergone 173 IVF-ET cycles, reflect a comparable success rate. Nevertheless, the overall incidence of success with this procedure is disconcertingly low and emphasizes the need to address those physiological factors that limit achievement of a higher percentage of pregnancies. Well recognized predictors of outcome include patient age, response to exogenous ovarian stimulation, quality of sperm and number of repeated IVF-ET cycle attempts. However, among these, age is the single most significant determinant of conception. Therefore, it is critical that such patients are referred to an Assisted Reproduction Program at the earliest opportunity following failure of traditional therapies. The underlying basis for the negative effect of age on fertility has not been clearly delineated beyond recognition that: 1) the number of eggs available for retrieval declines markedly with age; 2) fertilization rates significantly decrease in eggs retrieved from patients who are over 40 years; and 3) provided the appropriate hormonal background is present, age is unrelated to uterine competency to sustain pregnancy. Ongoing research in our Center, therefore, is investigating physiological changes in the egg that may be impacted by age. We have determined that more than 50 percent of eggs that fail to fertilize in vitro are chromosomally abnormal, and that a significant proportion of these abnormalities are accountable to patient age. Currently, the only recourse for such patients is to use eggs obtained from a donor. Our program has initiated recruitment of volunteer egg donors to satisfy the needs of a list of recipients interested in this form of therapy. GIFT - This high-tech ART procedure is performed in the operating room, usually with the use of a laparoscope and, in contrast to IVF-ET, involves introducing sperm and freshly retrieved eggs into the lumen of the Fallopian tube (an average of 3 eggs/tube). Under these circumstances, fertilization occurs in vivo and, if excess eggs are retrieved, the remainder undergo IVF, with subsequent options for embryo transfer in that cycle, or freezing for transfer in a subsequent cycle. This ART procedure is applied to cases in HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 26 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 which there is at least one patent Fallopian tube but the couple has such pathologies as ovulatory dysfunction, endometriosis, male factor infertility and/or idiopathic infertility. The data reported in the United States IVF Registry for 1985 through 1990 indicate that the overall success rate with GIFT is higher than that obtained with the IVF-ET technique (range of clinical pregnancies for GIFT is 24 to 36 percent and for IVF-ET 14 to 18 percent). In view of this fact, one might expect more patients to be treated with GIFT than IVF-ET. However, in our program we have taken into account three basic concerns which, while substantially reducing the number of GIFT cycles performed, benefit the patient. These concerns are: 1) the increased costs associated with performing a procedure in the operating room; 2) the risks, albeit minimal, of undergoing general anesthesia; and 3) the considerable benefits to be accrued from obtaining direct information on the quality and fertilizability of the eggs, and the developmental competency of resultant embryos. The increased success with GIFT undoubtedly reflects the artificial environment provided by the laboratory in the IVF-ET procedure. Between January 1, 1991, and December 31, 1992, we have performed a total of 12 GIFT cycles, with an overall success rate of 20 percent. Embryo cryopreservation, or freezing, is applied in our program when embryos result from residual GIFT eggs or from non-transferred IVF embryos. This procedure not only provides patients with a subsequent opportunity for success at much reduced costs, but also circumvents the legal and ethical issues relating to disposal of supernumerary embryos. Therefore, as stipulated by the American Fertility Society ethical guidelines for ART programs, from both a practical and an ethical standpoint, all Assisted Reproduction programs should have the capability of cryopreserving human embrys. Gamete Micromanipulation - This ART procedure, which is still very new, is applied to couples who are unaccepting of insemination with donor semen but who have severe male factor infertility (less than 10 million sperm/ml in combination with fewer than 20 perccent motile sperm, and/or less than 10 percent sperm with normal morphology). We are currently developing the procedure of sub-zonal insertion (SZI), which entails injecting sperm under the coating around the egg, the barrier normally penetrated by the sperm through enzymatic digestion. Available data from SZI programs world-wide indicate that only 5 to 10 percent of SZI cycles result in a pregnancy. This statistic undoubtedly relates to limitations imposed by abnormalities inherent in the sperm. Therefore, we are currently focusing on the development of improved techniques for the recognition and selection of sperm chosen for manipulation. Such efforts are unquestionably worthwhile in view of the fact that this technology offers the only realistic opportunity for severe male factor patients to establish conception. Catherine Racowsky, Ph.D. HICNet Medical Newsletter Page 27 Volume 6, Number 10 April 20, 1993 Associate Professor and Director of Research Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology College of Medicine --------- end of part 2 ------------ ",13 "excuse me for my ignorance. But I remember reading once that the Biblical tribe known as the Philistines still exists...they are the modern day Palestinians. Anyone out there with more info, please post it!!!",0 " That's closer, but I dislike ""apps"". ""software"" (vs. ""hardware"") would be better. Would that engulf alt.graphics.pixutils? Or would that be ""programmer""? I don't know if traffic is really heavy enough to warrant a newsgroup split. Look how busy comp.graphics.research is (not). It's true that a lot of the traffic here is rehashing FAQs and discussing things that would probably be better diverted to system-specific groups, but I don't know whether a split would help or hurt that cause. Maybe we need a comp.graphics.RTFB for all those people who can't be bothered to read the fine books out there. Right, Dr. Rogers? :-)",1 "Well thank you dennis for your as usual highly detailed and informative posting. The question i have about the proton, is could it be handled at one of KSC's spare pads, without major malfunction, or could it be handled at kourou or Vandenberg? Now if it uses storables, then how long would it take for the russians to equip something at cape york? If Proton were launched from a western site, how would it compare to the T4/centaur? As i see it, it should lift very close to the T4.",14 "From: Center for Policy Research Subject: conf:mideast.levant Rights of children violated by the State of Israel (selected articles of the IV Geneva Convention of 1949) ------------------------------------------------------------- Article 31: No physical or moral coercion shall be exercised against protected persons, in particular to obtain information from them or from third parties. Article 32: The High Contracting Parties specifically agree that each of them is prohibited from taking any measure of such a character as to cause the physical suffering or extermination of protected persons in their hands. This prohibition applies not only to murder, torture, corporal punishment (...) but also to any other measures of brutality whether applied by civilian or military agents. Article 33: No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. Article 34: Taking of hostages is prohibited. Article 49: Individual or mass forcible transfers, as well as deportations of protected persons from occupied territory to the territory of the Occupying Power or to that of any other country, occupied or not, are prohibited, regardless of their motive. Article 50: The Occupying Power shall, with the cooperation of the national and local authorities, facilitate the proper working of all institutions devoted to the care and education of children. Article 53: Any destruction by the Occupying Power of real or personal property belonging individually or collectively to private persons, or to the State, or to other public authorities, or to social or cooperative organizations, is prohibited, except where such destruction is rendered absolutely necessary by military operations.",17 " ^^^ How long does he have to take in fixing it? Does he have to use new parts when he repairs it or can he substitute used parts without your knowledge? Can he charge you for repairs that should be under warranty but he claims are due to improper maintenance on your part? When it comes to local dealers: - Have fun getting consistently good support. Most of their ""techs"" are re-treaded salesmen, not trained technicians, with a high turnover rate. - Have fun getting in-warranty work done quickly and courteously. - Have fun getting out-of-warranty work done cheaply, or even done period, unless you are on a paid service contract. Having been both a service technician, and a service manager, at a ComputerLand franchise and another retail computer place, I know what I'm talking about. I also know the ""local service"" scam that retail computer dealers like to push when they're selling. It's that same old song that car dealers having been singing for years -- ""Buy from me and you'll get good service. We always treat our customers right! Buy from my competition and you'll be sorry if you need service."" Experienced mail order buyers know that there are some mail order companies that give excellent service, including overnight replacement parts, on-site calls, etc. There are probably some local dealers that can give you good service, too. But if you think all local dealers give consistenly good service, you are wrong. I have many anectdotes to prove my point, but I'm sure there are others on the net can do a better job than I can.",3 "To:All Hi, Does anybody have the source code to the externel processes that comes with 3D Studio, and mabe som kind of DOC for writing the processes your self. /Lars +++ Author: Lars_Jorgensen@p7.syntax.bbs.bad.se, Syntax BBS, Denmark",1 "I believe we are down to two: the 15-day and the 60-day. (I don't remember a 30-day, but rather a 21-day. Anyways, it's gone now.) The period length is a minimum, not a maximum. You can keep a guy on the 15-day for as long as you want, IF he's still certified as injured. The player must be periodically re-evaluated to determine if he's still injured (thus you cannot park a player on the DL who maybe is out of options and you do not wish to expose to waivers). If you get someone qualified for the 60-day that reduces the frequency of re-evaluations. There is no longer, I believe, any limit to the number of players you can place on the DL. When there was, you often had to choose and juggle your injured players between the lists. --King ""Sparky"" Banaian |""No taxes: No new taxes, kbanaian@pitzer.claremont.edu |no old taxes, we are taxed Dept. of Economics, Pitzer College |enough."" -- Rep. Alan Keyes Latest 1993 GDP forecast: 2.4% | (please run, Alan!) ",9 " Is this a joke? The legal way to serve a search warrant is to knock on the door. Tossing in a grenade to serve a search warrant violates the US Constitution and is hence, illegal. The BD complied with legal search warrants in the past. I do not understand why the BATF used an illegal means to serve their search warrant last February.",16 "From article <1993Apr15.205654.20845@news.cs.indiana.edu>, by ""Mohammad Al-Ansari"" : Get back to your vendors, or better yet the board manufactures and get some more info: Where made. Norton indexes (yeah I know BMs suck but whats a mother to do?) number of slots, and types, # ESIA and # 32 bit? Any IDE or SCSI on board? How easy to upgrade RAM, location and # of pins. OVERDRIVE? Oscilator kits? Does it have a 16550 UART? Who's BIOS?",3 " If you don't already know it, you should call the bank/credit union/ finance company that holds the loan on your present car and get the current payoff cost. If you are trading in your current car on the new car, subtract the payoff amount from the trade-in the dealer is giving you. (If this turns out to be a negative number, you need to reconsider the deal.) Subtract this difference from the price of the new car. This is the size of the loan you will need for the new car. The dealer will take care of paying off the loan on your old car out of the money you give them when you pick up your new car. At least that's how it worked for me 5 years ago in Ohio... ",7 "Selling X-men for the C64/128 for only $10 plus shipping. first email gets it...",6 "Hi all, I've been following this thread about jacob's ladder for a few weeks and I happened to come across one of the best project books that I've seen in a while. The book ""Gadgeteer's Goldmine"" by Gordon McComb offers over 55 excellent low cost projects including: Jacob's Ladder, tesla coils, plasma spheres, a Van de Graaff generator, robots, an IR scope, and several laser projects. The instructions come with complete part lists, warnings and diagrams. For those of you who are interested in building any of the above listed projects, you should seriously consider getting this book. The paperback version is only $19.95 too. For those who want more information: Title: Gadgeteer's Goldmine! 55 Space-Age Projects Auth: Gordon McComb Pub: TAB Books CW: 1990 ISBN: 0-8306-8360-7 0-8306-3360-X (paperback) Price: $19.95 (paperback) -Scott",12 "No, that sounds pretty reasonable for that car and that city. Unless you have an accident, you won't need more. If you plan on paying for the car with a credit card, check and see if your card automatically covers rental cars. Also, your own auto insurance may cover rental cars also. Most rental companies here offer extra insurance when you rent, and require you to initial in several spots if you don't want it. The credit cards and personal auto insurance provide the same sort of coverage that the rental agency is trying to sell. I have never rented from Alamo, so I don't know if they follow this same practice. Yes. It is a compact 2-door, probably a bit dull performance and acceleration-wise, but very adequate. It will have an automatic transmission, AM/FM stereo, air conditioning, and possibly power windows and door locks. Joe ",7 "Hay all: Has anyone out there heard of any performance stats on the fabled p24t. I was wondering what it's performance compared to the 486/66 and/or pentium would be. Any info would be helpful. Later BoB -- Robert Novitskey | rrn@po.cwru.edu | (216)754-2134 | CWRU Cleve. Ohio ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMPUTER ENGINEER AND C PROGRAMMER | NOW SEEKING SUMMER JOBS",3 " It sounds like your TV is one of the ones that also reacts to the video protection. (Poor you!) The Macroscrubber from Radio Electronics removes the protection so you souldn't have any more problems. However, if you use the method of copying it from one VCR to another where the second VCR doesn't react to the protection, you will end up with a duplicate tape, including the protection. One thought comes to mind about your problem... When playing the tape for viewing, are you feeding the signal from the source VCR through an extra device before going to the TV? If you feed it through a second VCR first, that is your problem. As to other devices such as converters, I don't know if they would react or not. Just to be safe, you might want to make sure that you have NOTHING between the VCR and TV.",12 "-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- 2) The system is vulnerable to simple phone swapping attacks like this. Criminals will quickly figure this out and go to town. Depends.. Its possible that the phone sends its serial number in the clear at some specified interval... So all a listener needs to do is get that SN, and then get the key for it... So swapping phones isn't a problem (for the gov't, that is). They still know that this line belongs to you, so they just watch the line and see the SN, and then they get the key for that SN... In either case, I think we need to look at this a bit deeper.""'jbl)mW:wxlD2 Well, I think this is understood. The major problem is that a lot of people just don't trust this key escrow stuff, and the fact that the algorithms are classified... So, yes, a lot of this needs to be looked at closer! - -derek PGP 2 key available upon request on the key-server: pgp-public-keys@toxicwaste.mit.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.2 iQBuAgUBK9EbXDh0K1zBsGrxAQHzcALCAlvWtnvi7aySWf565id1MN++nsybTwQI jQLgPKX/4tx6qjGC69BUQRZAtMQutkoVnvx/MqT5EZFM7uundRWD4cOwbb7CC4Gy gT7JtLRqU0aF9VSf4SGNQqg= =fGRj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----",11 ,18 ,17 " Welcome. I am the official keeper of the list of nicknames that people are known by on alt.atheism (didn't know we had such a list, did you). Your have been awarded the nickname of ""Buckminster."" So the next time you post an article, sign with your nickname like so: Dave ""Buckminster"" Fuller. Thanks again. Jim ""Humor means never having to say you're sorry"" Copeland",0 " I can't speak for the organizations you cited but everywhere you look in our society and government, one can see the relentless movement toward one world government. The fact that the media demeans such charished values as patriotism, nationalism and protectionism are some of the clues. The fact that we are sapping the economic strength of americans to prop up a former and possibly future enemy is just another. The fact the words like community of nations, global village and international business are in vogue are others. International corporations are destroying our identy and economy and the propaganda they are playing through the media and government is over powering our ability to resist. Our porous border both people and trade are an indiciation that we have already lost a great deal of sovergnty. The bottome line is that the single most evil aspect of One World Government is that you have nowhere to run to and history has proven that would be a disaster. ",16 "Auto Logic Panasonic answering machine with dual cassette system. I will include cassettes and AC power adaptor. Excellent condition. Asking $30 with accessories. ",6 "Yeah - they also gave it their ""Editor's Choice"" in the run-down of graphics accelerators they tested in the previous issue, which is why I bought (and then returned) mine. The only conclusion I can come up with is that PC Magazine has wildly different ways on determining the worthiness of a video card than I do. ",1 "Thanks Ron and Peter for some very nice maps. I have an advice though. You wrote that the maps were reduced to 256 colors. As far ad I understand JPEG pictures gets much better (and the compressed files smaller) if you use the original 3 color 24 bit data when converting to JPEG. Thanks again, ",14 " [Text deleted, no value judgement implied] More than shocking. What this says to me is no less than that government is very interested in monitoring the public. This does more than scare me, it mortifies me. PGP and RIPEM must become widespread enough to resist what Mr. Finney has [IMHO correctly] identified as the next logical step. What was once an academic discussion with regard to concealing cyphertext, has now become a real consideration. The rhetoric that the clinton administration seems obsessed with, harmony, either or propositions, tension, tells me that they know how difficult it will be to sell this proposition. The phrase I hear more and more is ""I can't believe this is actually happening here."" Call me conserative, Clinton was a huge mistake that we'll all be paying for tommorow and many years from now. Have we approached the age of speakeasy public key depositiories? uni (Dark)",11 " There's only one car that really fits your needs. It's spelled:",7 "Al Weiss played second for the White Sox in the early sixties, chiefly as back up to Don Buford. Good glove, no hit, some spunk. (Which reminds me: do they still serve Kosher hot dogs at the new Comiskey?) ",9 "Just as the title suggest, is it okay to do that? I havne't got DOS6 yet, but I heart DoubleSpace is less tight than stacker 3.0. What are disadvantage/advantages by doing that? Any comments will be appreciated.",2 "From: Center for Policy Research Subject: From Israeli press. Madness. /* Written 4:34 pm Apr 16, 1993 by cpr@igc.apc.org in igc:mideast.forum */ /* ---------- ""From Israeli press. Madness."" ---------- */ FROM THE ISRAELI PRESS. Paper: Zman Tel Aviv (Tel Aviv's time). Friday local Tel Aviv's paper, affiliated with Maariv. Date: 19 February 1993 Journalist: Guy Ehrlich Subject: Interview with soldiers who served in the Duvdevan (Cherry) units, which disguise themselves as Arabs and operate within the occupied territories. Excerpts from the article: ""A lot has been written about the units who disguise themselves as Arabs, things good and bad, some of the falsehoods. But the most important problem of those units has been hardly dealt with. It is that everyone who serves in the Cherry, after a time goes in one way or another insane"". A man who said this, who will here be called Danny (his full name is known to the editors) served in the Cherry. After his discharge from the army he works as delivery boy. His pal, who will here be called Dudu was also serving in the Cherry, and is now about to depart for a round-the-world tour. They both look no different from average Israeli youngsters freshly discharged from conscript service. But in their souls, one can notice something completely different....It was not easy for them to come out with disclosures about what happened to them. And they think that to most of their fellows from the Cherry it woundn't be easy either. Yet after they began to talk, it was nearly impossible to make them stop talking. The following article will contain all the horror stories recounted with an appalling openness. (...) A short time ago I was in command of a veteran team, in which some of the fellows applied for release from the Cherry. We called such soldiers H.I. 'Hit by the Intifada'. Under my command was a soldier who talked to himself non-stop, which is a common phenomenon in the Cherry. I sent him to a psychiatrist. But why I should talk about others when I myself feel quite insane ? On Fridays, when I come home, my parents know I cannot be talked to until I go to the beach, surf a little, calm down and return. The keys of my father's car must be ready for in advance, so that I can go there. I they dare talk to me before, or whenever I don't want them to talk to me, I just grab a chair and smash it instantly. I know it is my nerve: Smashing chairs all the time and then running away from home, to the car and to the beach. Only there I become normal.(...) (...) Another friday I was eating a lunch prepared by my mother. It was an omelette of sorts. She took the risk of sitting next to me and talking to me. I then told my mother about an event which was still fresh in my mind. I told her how I shot an Arab, and how exactly his wound looked like when I went to inspect it. She began to laugh hysterically. I wanted her to cry, and she dared laugh straight in my face instead ! So I told her how my pal had made a mincemeat of the two Arabs who were preparing the Molotov cocktails. He shot them down, hitting them beautifully, exactly as they deserved. One bullet had set a Molotov cocktail on fire, with the effect that the Arab was burning all over, just beautifully. I was delighted to see it. My pal fired three bullets, two at the Arab with the Molotov cocktail, and the third at his chum. It hit him straight in his ass. We both felt that we'd pulled off something. Next I told my mother how another pal of mine split open the guts in the belly of another Arab and how all of us ran toward that spot to take a look. I reached the spot first. And then that Arab, blood gushing forth from his body, spits at me. I yelled: 'Shut up' and he dared talk back to me in Hebrew! So I just laughed straight in his face. I am usually laughing when I stare at something convulsing right before my eyes. Then I told him: 'All right, wait a moment'. I left him in order to take a look at another wounded Arab. I asked a soldier if that Arab could be saved, if the bleeding from his artery could be stopped with the help of a stone of something else like that. I keep telling all this to my mother, with details, and she keeps laughing straight into my face. This infuriated me. I got very angry, because I felt I was becoming mad. So I stopped eating, seized the plate with he omelette and some trimmings still on, and at once threw it over her head. Only then she stopped laughing. At first she didn't know what to say. (...) But I must tell you of a still other madness which falls upon us frequently. I went with a friend to practice shooting on a field. A gull appeared right in the middle of the field. My friend shot it at once. Then we noticed four deer standing high up on the hill above us. My friend at once aimed at one of them and shot it. We enjoyed the sight of it falling down the rock. We shot down two deer more and went to take a look. When we climbed the rocks we saw a young deer, badly wounded by our bullet, but still trying to such some milk from its already dead mother. We carefully inspected two paths, covered by blood and chunks of torn flesh of the two deer we had hit. We were just delighted by that sight. We had hit'em so good ! Then we decided to kill the young deer too, so as spare it further suffering. I approached, took out my revolver and shot him in the head several times from a very short distance. When you shoot straight at the head you actually see the bullets sinking in. But my fifth bullet made its brains fall outside onto the ground, with the effect of splattering lots of blood straight on us. This made us feel cured of the spurt of our madness. Standing there soaked with blood, we felt we were like beasts of prey. We couldn't explain what had happened to us. We were almost in tears while walking down from that hill, and we felt the whole day very badly. (...) We always go back to places we carried out assignments in. This is why we can see them. When you see a guy you disabled, may be for the rest of his life, you feel you got power. You feel Godlike of sorts."" (...) Both Danny and Dudu contemplate at least at this moment studying the acting. Dudu is not willing to work in any security-linked occupation. Danny feels the exact opposite. 'Why shouldn't I take advantage of the skills I have mastered so well ? Why shouldn't I earn $3.000 for each chopped head I would deliver while being a mercenary in South Africa ? This kind of job suits me perfectly. I have no human emotions any more. If I get a reasonable salary I will have no problem to board a plane to Bosnia in order to fight there.""",17 "Okay all my friends are bitching at me that the map I made in Appsoft Draw can't be displayed in ""xv""... I checked... It's true, at least with version 1.0. My readers on the NeXT have very little trouble on it (Preview messes up the .eps, but does fine with the TIFF and ImageViewer0.9a behaves with flying colors except it doesn't convert worth *&^^% ;-) ) Please is there any way I can convert this .drw from Appsoft 1.0 on the NeXT to something more reasonable like .gif? I have access to a sun4 and NeXTstep 3.0 systems. any good reliable conversion programs would be helpful... please email, I'll post responses if anyone wants me to... please email that to. Yes I used alphachannel... (god i could choke steve jobs right now ;-) ) Yes i know how to archie, but tell me what to archie for ;-) Also is there a way to convert to .ps plain format? ImageViiewer0.9 turns out nothing recognizable.... terrychay --- small editorial -rw-r--r-- 1 tychay 2908404 Apr 18 08:03 Undernet.tiff -rw-r--r-- 1 tychay 73525 Apr 18 08:03 Undernet.tiff.Z",1 " First of all, without wanting to sound nagging and bossy, yes it is a trivial answer and that's perfectly fine ( otherwise how is one supposed to move up to the complicated and challenging questions, we net readers so much enjoy :) ?), and the massive crossposting of your article was not justified... Please refer to appropriate newsgroups next time (by the way c.o.msw.misc is OK :) ). Now as far as your problem is concerned: try playing around with the settings in the 'Fonts..."" dialog box under the window control menu (that little square at the top left corner of the window..). ",2 " ",18 " To put it mildly. As I watched the Flyers demolish Toronto last night, 4-0, I realized that no matter how good the Leafs' #1 line may be, they'll need one or two more decent lines to go far in the playoffs. And, of course, a healthy Felix Potvin.",10 " A long-time reader of t.p.g, I am also a staunch RKBA supporter, yet I own no firearms. Amen, brother. -- Nicholas Sylvain (sylvain@netcom.com) --- I am the NRA ",16 " henrik] The Armenians in Nagarno-Karabagh are simply DEFENDING their henrik] RIGHTS to keep their homeland and it is the AZERIS that are henrik] INVADING their homeland. HE] Homeland? First Nagarno-Karabagh was Armenians homeland today HE] Fizuli, Lacin and several villages (in Azerbadjan) HE] are their homeland. Can't you see the HE] the ""Great Armenia"" dream in this? With facist methods like HE] killing, raping and bombing villages. The last move was the HE] blast of a truck with 60 kurdish refugees, trying to HE] escape the from Lacin, a city that was ""given"" to the Kurds HE] by the Armenians. Nagorno-Karabakh is in Azerbaijan not Armenia. Armenians have lived in Nagorno- Karabakh ever since there were Armenians. Armenians used to live in the areas between Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh and this area is being used to invade Nagorno- Karabakh. Armenians are defending themselves. If Azeris are dying because of a policy of attacking Armenians, then something is wrong with this policy. If I recall correctly, it was Stalin who caused all this problem with land in the first place, not the Armenians. henrik] However, I hope that the Armenians WILL force a TURKISH airplane henrik] to LAND for purposes of SEARCHING for ARMS similar to the one henrik] that happened last SUMMER. Turkey searched an AMERICAN plane henrik] (carrying humanitarian aid) bound to ARMENIA. HE] Don't speak about things you don't know: 8 U.S. Cargo planes HE] were heading to Armenia. When the Turkish authorities HE] announced that they were going to search these cargo HE] planes 3 of these planes returned to it's base in Germany. HE] 5 of these planes were searched in Turkey. The content of HE] of the other 3 planes? Not hard to guess, is it? It was sure not HE] humanitarian aid..... What story are you talking about? Planes from the U.S. have been sending aid into Armenian for two years. I would not like to guess about what were in the 3 planes in your story, I would like to find out. HE] Search Turkish planes? You don't know what you are talking about. HE] Turkey's government has announced that it's giving weapons HE] to Azerbadjan since Armenia started to attack Azerbadjan HE] it self, not the Karabag province. So why search a plane for weapons HE] since it's content is announced to be weapons?",17 "I have a Sega Genesis (barely used) that IUd like to sell with the following games: Sonic the Hedgehog (I) Revenge of Shinobi Thunderforce III I'm asking $160 OBO. I can best be reached via email, or alternatively, by phone at: (415) 497-3719.",6 "Also note (from and ): % whois -h rs.internic.net tis-dom Trusted Information Systems, Inc. (TIS-DOM) 3060 Washington Road, Route 97 Glenwood, MD 21738 Domain Name: TIS.COM Administrative Contact: Walker, Stephen T. (STW3) walker@TIS.COM (301) 854-6889 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Dalva, David I. (DID1) dave@TIS.COM (301) 854-6889 Record last updated on 02-Jul-92. Domain servers in listed order: TIS.COM 192.33.112.100 LA.TIS.COM 192.5.49.8 And ""dockmaster"" is an infamous address ... ",11 " Exactly when will the hover test be done, and will any of the TV networks carry it. I really want to see that... ",14 " I've got the 6.0 spec (obviously since I quoted it in my last posting). My gripe about TIFF is that it's far too complicated and nearly infinitely easier to write than to read, which I think hurts your acceptance by anything that will need to read those images (e.g., paint programs). In a nutshell, I don't think TIFF is salvageable unless the fat is trimmed significantly- and then it wouldn't be TIFF anymore. They keep trying to cut it back, but it's late now. Maybe they >will< fix it, and change that magic number to signify the lack of compatibility. That would probably make me happy.",1 "(Disclaimer: I'm a sufferer, not a doctor.) I'm not sure there's a really sharp distinction between allergic and vasomotor rhinitis. Basically, vasomotor rhinitis means your nose is stuffy when it has no reason to be (not even an identifiable allergy). Decongestants and steroid sprays work for vasomotor rhinitis. Also, I can get surprising relief from purely superficial measures such as saline moisturizing spray and moisturizing gel. ",13 " But now you are contradicting yourself in a pretty massive way, and I don't think you've even noticed. In another part of this thread, you've been telling us that the ""goal"" of a natural morality is what animals do to survive. But suppose that your omniscient being told you that the long term survival of humanity requires us to exterminate some other species, either terrestrial or alien. Does that make it moral to do so?",0 " Well, it all depends on the motherboard implimentation. I'm sure someone will make a vlb motherboard that takes 1x9 simms and uses a pentium processor. I'm also sure that there will be some motherboards that won't.",3 "~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then why do we really need national health insurance then? Wouldn't it just make more sense to find some way to cut down on the cost of malpractice insurance? And maybe that's not such a good thing. I also read somewhere that it is next to impossible in Canada to litigate against the health system-class action suits are nearly impossible, and you can't sue the provincial health officials at all. Oh no. Don't let the AMA know about this. They have enough power as it is. Ask most Americans whether they'd like the doctors' lobby to get more powerful. Well, yeah, tell us about the National Defense Medical Centre outside Ottawa. Theoretically it's limited to service personnel, but some studies I've heard about have suggested that about half the patients there are civilians who not only have connections but aren't ""urgent"" at all. The problem is, in a system where hospitals' annual budgets are approved by the government, how do you keep political considerations out of medical decisions? I bet that if you're an MP or MPP, or good friends with one, you're put on any hospital's ""urgent"" care list no matter how minor your problem. Which is OK unless you're someone who gets bumped off the list for some bigshot. Hmm. How much difference would it make in the figure of percentage of GNP spent on health care if dentistry and optometry were included in the accounting? Maybe Canada spends proportionately just as much on health care as we do. So what happens if the health care systems financially collapse. Bob Rae, the second least popular man in Ontario, warned Ontarians a few years ago that if they didn't stop cross-border shopping in such huge numbers, ""the services they expect from the province just won't be there in a few years"" (Fortunately for them (and less fortunately for the retailers here in Western New York) the Canadian dollar went back to a more realistic value). He didn't say so, but I knew he meant the OHIP. What would happen if his warning turned out to be the truth? Would the private insurers take up the slack? They'd be under no obligation to. Of course, they could eventually make money again, but if what you say is true, they'd be loathe to do so (and out of practice in handling such basic services, too). Would that it were free. Americans would start another revolution if they had to pay taxes at Canadian rates. ",18 " While I didn't try the expansion personally, I know of at least two other people who did and got the same results. Your allegation is incorrect at best.",11 "Hi Xperts, some simple questions for you: I've seen a lot of different terms, which seem to mean the same thing. Who can give an exact definition what these terms mean: -) multi-screen -) multi-headed -) multi-display -) X-Server zaphod mode Is there a limit how many screens/displays a single server can handle (in an articel a read something about an upper limit of 12) ? How is the capability called, if I want to move the cursor from one screen/display to another. Any hints welcome. Thanks, rainer.",5 " [ ACT 5:40 - 41 ] ... ... The basic problem with your argument is your total and complete reliance on the biblical text. Luke's account is highly suspect (I would refer you to the hermeneia commentary on Acts). Moreover Luke's account is written at least 90 years after the fact. In the meantime everyone he mentions has died and attempts to find actual written sources behind the text have come up with only the we section of the later portion of acts as firmly established. Moreover, Pauls account of some of the events in Acts (as recorded in Galatians) fail to establish the acts accounts. What we need, therefore, is a reliable text, critically appreciated, which documents the death of Christians for belief in the Resurrection. I would suggest you look at some greek and roman historians. I think you will be disapointed.",15 " ",2 "I have the March/April version of the X Journal open in front of me. I'll be working on programming x-clients this summer, and since I don't have much experience with programming X, I thought this issue might be helpful as it has a section on debugging, and a section on the 40 most common errors in programming X. At the end of the errors section, there are the following references for tutorials on X programming style. They are: Rosenthal, David - A simple X11 client program Proceedings of the Winter 1988 Usenix Conference, 1988. Lemke, D., and Rosenthal, D. - Visualizing X11 clients Proceedings of the Winter 1989 Usenix Conference, 1989. Does anyone know where I could find these in printed or (preferably) electronic form? Or can you suggest any net resources devoted to the introduction to programming X (I'll be looking at the bookstore for books, so I am really only asking about what I can find on the net.) Thanks, David Simpson",5 " This is, as far as I know, complete nonsense. The codification of the bible as we have it now came very much later.",0 "Hi, I just have a small question about my bike. Being a fairly experienced BMW and MZ-Mechanic, I just don't know what to think about my Honda. She was using too much oil for the last 5000 km (on my trip to Daytona bike week this spring), and all of a sudden, she trailed smoke like hell and was running only on one cylinder. I towed the bike home and took it apart, but everything looks in perfect working order. No cracks in the heads or pistons, the cylinder walls look very clean, and the wear of pistons and cylinders is not measurable. All still within factory specs. The only thing I could find, however, was a slightly bigger ring gap on the right cylinder (the one with the problem), but it is still way below the wear-limit given in the Clymer-manual for this bike. Any syggestions??? What else could cause my problem??? Do I have to hone the cylinder walls (make them a little rougher in a criss-cross-pattern) in order to get better breaking in of my new rings??? Won't that increase the wear of my pistons?? Please send comments to sruhl@mechanical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca Thanks in advance. Stef. ",8 "Fellow netters, I'm in the market for a hand scanner. However, I don't know anyone who has one. I have my eye on two choices. Dexxa: This scanner is available at Wal-Mart for $90. It includes GrayWorks software and provides 400 dpi and 32 grayscales (I think). The OCR software Catchword is available through mail-order for about $90 also. Mustek: (Gray Artist for Windows) This scanner offers 256 grayscales (according to Cad & Graphics) and 800 dpi. It is available for $169 mail-order and comes with Perceive OCR and Picture Publisher LE. I am also looking at a Genius hand scanner (B105) from Cad & Graphics. It is basically the same as the Mustek scanner except for the resolution (400 dpi) and price ($149). Basically, I would like recommendations on which to buy. I have heard that Logitech makes the best and manufactures Dexxa scanners. But which one is the best buy? Would 800 dpi really be helpful (output would be no better than HP LaserJet III or Canon BJ-200 - 300x300 to 360x360)? I am leaning toward the Mustek because it offers the most features and is in the middle in terms of prices. Which should I buy? If you have a hand scanner, please let me know whether or not you would recommend it. Also, if you know of another scanner within the price range (under $225) that would be a better deal, please E-Mail me. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.",3 " Oh yeah, how come Dino could never take the Caps out of the Patrick Division? He choked up 3 games to 1 last year and got swept away in the second round two years ago. He rarely, if ever, makes it out of the division. So are the Islanders, but they can still pull it out. Vancouver has Winnipeg's number, so it really doesn't matter. Kings always seem to go at least 6 or 7, they never play a four or five game serious. There's a difference between battling it out and pulling it out, as I take Calgary to pull it out in 7.",10 " Dominik, Have you tried xgrasp? It's out there on several ftp sites.(not sure which, but archie can find it, I'm sure.) It works ok but it lacks an interface.",1 " This is true, but long-standing tradition has been to keep commercial advertising in the biz.* hierarchy.",6 " Yes, long before Star Trek. Before Einstein, in fact. Vulcan as a planet inside Mercury was hypothesized to explain a perturbation of Mercury's orbit that could not be explained by the known planets. But Einstein's theory of relativity explained Mercury's motion, and analysis of Mercury's motion now shows there are _not_ any planets inside its orbit.",14 "1. Can low Voltage lights be controlled with an X10 module by putting it before the transformer? It seems to work, even the dimmer works. Not very reliable. Will it damage the module? Can it be done reliably? 2. I put a motion switch (Heath) to a low voltage light, it worked but now it is broken, too much current? How can I get arround that? 3. How can I increase the intensity of a light using the X10 PC computer interface without having it go 100% on first and then down. I am doing my own programing, not the X10 program.",12 " Ok, this is the only thing I will comment on from Stan at this time... part of this forum we call rec.scouting is for policy discussions and related topics. This is a policy discussion, and involves related topics. this is not a ""fringe"" group discussion. obviously, it engenders strong feelings from all sides of the issues at hand. Wether a particular view is anti-societal or not is your opinion, and yours alone, don't try to make it seem otherwise. If you do not wish to engage in this discussion, use a kill file. If you wish to continue in this discussion, please do so, knowing full well the implications that apply. I know for myself that I plan on continuing with the discussion when i have the wish to have input. I for one am tired of people trying to say that this is not a matter significant for this group! It is, and quite so. Especially for those of us who feel the impact more closely. ",0 "Sebastian C Sears, on the Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:32:13 GMT wibbled: : ... Came around a right hand sweeper (going around : 45 mph) only to find a cager going around 30 mph, calmly driving : along, with no other traffic around, in *my* lane. Not crossing : the line, not swerving, fully and totally within the south-bound : lane of 9W (one lane each direction). And I haven't even got there yet. Must have been some other Brit... -- Nick (the English Biker) DoD 1069 Concise Oxford Left is Right M'Lud.",8 "Dangerous only to immune suppressed persons and fetuses. To them, it is extremely dangerous. Most of the rest of us have already had it and it isn't dangerous at all. Cat feces are the worst. Pregnant women should never touch the litter box. Cook your meat. Watch it with pets. You'll have to read up on it. There is an effective antibiotic that can keep it in check. Of course, it can't reverse damage already done, such as in a fetus. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | ""Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."" ",13 "...let me point out that both GUI-based word-processors and text-based formatters both have a language; one happens to be mouse- and action-based, and the other symbol-based. True, but that's beside the point. This is a fact about an abstract model of what the GUI users are doing, not about what they actually *are* doing. This abstract model is only apparent from the perpective of a *programmer* of the system. (NB: some users may see it, too, but only when they put aside the work at hand and start thinking like a programmer.) I'm not saying that the programmer's perspective is evil or stunted. After all, that's what I do, too! I am saying that UI designers must carefully distinguish between the user/programmer conceptual models, and they must ultimately serve the user of the system, not the builder of the system. I don't recall the actual stats, but something like 1 in 5 people can be categorized as a ""symbol manipulator"". It would be interesting to know more about the meaning and basis for this claim. At any rate, I don't think this is evidence that 20% of users think like programmers. Bankers, financial analysts, structural engineers --- these are all people whose work you could characterize as primarily symbol manipulation. But what they do is not programming, and programming is not required to do what they do. ",5 " The problem is, you can't raise adequate amounts of money that way. The Viking Fund tried. They did succeed, in a way, but only because of the political impact of their fundraising. The actual amount of money they raised was fairly inconsequential; it would not have kept the Viking lander going by itself.",14 " Well, the first 2 are easy. You need the math library. Try adding -lm after -lX11. Don't know if that's the whole problem but it's a start. ",5 " Do you, by any chance own an SHO or have access to one, such that you would have any idea what it is designed for or how it handles? Just wondering... ",7 " Oh? What is wrong with *this* motto, now? If you wouldn't approve of even that one, I am beginning to think that you just have something against mottos in general. What do you think of ""E plurbis unum?""",0 "Hi I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib I have multiple windows and all can take input and show output simultaneously on all other displays I want to implement a pointer feature I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able to see it Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed replies will be greatly appreciated",5 " my $.02 - Yes and No. I do not believe the above scenario is not possible. Either they are believing and living (in at least some part) led by God, else they are not. Believing (intellectually, but waiting(?)) is not enough. Especially important to remember is that no one can judge whether you are so committed, nor can you judge someone else. I guess the closest we can come to know someone's situation is listening to their own statements. This can be fallible, as is our sense of communion one with another. Regarding this passage, we need to remember that this is a letter to a church (at Laodicea), people who are Of the Body of Christ. (Rev.3:14-16) He talks about their works. A translation could say that he says their lack of concern makes him sick (to the point of throwing up). Right, saving is by faith alone, except that faith does not come alone, if you catch the two meanings. I can offer the explanation that Jesus would that we were either ""on fire for Him"" or so cold we knew we were not in His will and thus could be made aware of our separation. This is admonishment for His children, not eternal damnation. ",15 " Is that what turns you on? The truth needs to be told over and over again. There are Armenians who of course witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people between 1914-1920 but their voices of truth are suppressed today in the hollow din of anti-Turkish/Muslim campaign by the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle of the fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government. Well, that is what I saw in the library. What's your problem with this? Source: K. S. Papazian, ""Patriotism Perverted,"" Baikar Press, Boston, 1934. pp. 17-18. ""It seems that terrorism against their own co-nationals has been a prominent part of the revolutionary activities of the Dashnag leaders of the Caucasus. Organized to fight the Turks, these chieftains have been more successful in their fight against their Armenian opponents in Turkey, and the Caucasus, very often defenseless and innocent."" p. 38. ""The fact remains, however, that the leaders of the Turkish Armenian section of the Dashnagtzoutune did not carry out their promise of loyalty to the Turkish cause when the Turks entered the war...and a call was sent for Armenian volunteers to fight the Turks on the Caucasian front."" p. 38. ""Thousands of Armenians from all over the world, flocked to the standards of such famous fighters as Antranik, Kery, Dro, etc. The Armenian volunteer regiments rendered valuable service to the Russian Army in the years of 1914-15-16."" Source: ""Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922"" by A. Rawlinson, Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) (287 pages). (Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 184 (second paragraph) ""I had received further very definite information of horrors that had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their treatment of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from Zivin that 'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not be left in independent command of the Moslem population, as, their troops being without discipline and not under effective control, atrocities were constantly being committed, for which we should with justice eventually be held to be morally responsible'."" p. 177 (third paragraph) ""Armenian troops, who, having pillaged and destroyed all the Moslem villages in the plain...."" ""Caravans of refugees were in the meanwhile constantly arriving from the plain, from which the whole Moslem population was fleeing with as much of their personal property as they could transport, seeking to obtain security and protection..."" p. 178 (first paragraph) ""In those Moslem villages in the plain below which had been searched for arms by the Armenians everything had been taken under the cloak of such search, and not only had many Moslems been killed, but horrible tortures had been inflicted in the endeavour to obtain information as to where valuables had been hidden, of which the Armenians were aware of the existence, although they had been unable to find them."" p. 179 (first paragraph) ""Shortly afterwards the head of the miserable column appeared. There were in all about 200 persons, mostly old men and women and children, with a few ox-carts, ponies, and donkeys, carrying all their worldly possessions, except a few sheep that they were driving before them. Their leader interviewed Bekir Bey, and was told to keep farther on into the hills, where he would be able to cross the frontier into Turkey unmolested by his enemies."" p. 181 (first paragraph) ""the Armenians from the plain were attacking the Kurdish line with artillery, with probably a large force in support."" p. 175 (first paragraph) ""The arrival of this British brigade was followed by the announcement that Kars Province had been allotted by the Supreme Council of the Allies to the Armenians, and that announcement having been made, the British troops were then completely withdrawn, and Armenian occupation commenced. Hence all the trouble; for the Armenians at once commenced the wholesale robbery and persecution of the Muslem population on the pretext that it was necessary forcibly to deprive them of their arms. In the portion of the province which lies in the plains they were able to carry out their purpose, and the manner in which this was done will be referred to in due course."" The following news from Turan News Agency in Baku-Azerbaijan is brought to you as a service of: P.O. Box 14571 Berkeley, CA 94701 FAX: (804) 490-3832 Email: farid@mem.odu.edu * AZERBAIJAN'S GOVERNMENT APPEALS TO COMPATRIOTS ALL OVER THE WORLD * 60 REFUGEES FROM KELBAJAR PERISHED IN THEIR ESCAPE LORRIES * SITUATION IN THE REGION OF KELBAJAR * ARMENIAN ARMY CONTINUES ATTACK ON FIZULI * PRESS-CONFERENCE OF THE CHIEF OF PRESS-SERVICE OF PRESIDENT OF AZERBAIJAN * AZERBAIJANIS PICKET IN FRONT OF MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF RUSSIA * PICKET OF SADVALERS IN MOSCOW * ATTACK OF ARMENIAN UNITS STOPPED * STATEMENT OF MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF AZERBAIJAN AZERBAIJAN'S GOVERNMENT APPEALS TO COMPATRIOTS ALL OVER THE WORLD BAKU (APRIL 5) TURAN: Today, Azerbaijan's government appealed to Azeris all over the world in connection with escalation of the Armenian aggression against the republic. It is stressed in appeal that the experience of five-years of fighting for independence from imperial chains shows a grim process . The war against Azerbaijan under the pretence of protecting the human rights of the Armenians of Ukhari (Upper) Garabag, has meant the destruction of Azeri villages and towns, occupation of 10 percent of the territory, 60 thousand new refugees in addition to 500 thousand already in place. This is all the price of fighting for liberty from Russian imperial rule, is said in the document. Azerbaijan's government appeals to all compatriots to make every effort to inform the people of the world about the truth in Azerbaijan, and to assistance in solving the problems facing the young state. It is stressed in the appeal that there is urgent need for medicine, food, experienced doctors and financial help to settle refugees from Kelbajar, Fizuli and Lachin regions, and to render medical aid for the sick and the wounded men.--O-- 60 REFUGEES FROM KELBAJAR PERISHED IN THEIR ESCAPE LORRIES BAKU (APRIL 5) TURAN: Today, during the evacuation from Kelbajar region, 60 refugees on board two lorries were killed in the fire from the Armenian Tanks on the only road to leave Kelbajar. According to press -service of Azerbaijan president, no one survived the tragedy. --O-- SITUATION IN THE REGION OF KELBAJAR BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Attempts to evacuate the rest of 15,000 citizens, encircled on alpine villages of the region of Kelbajar went on within the last twenty-four hours. Evacuation helicopters could not land near these villages because of shelling from the Armenian side and existence of fog. Measures are undertaken to air-drop food and medicine to the encircled people. Several hundred people succeed within the last twenty-four hours to get out of the region of Kelbajar via mountain range. Refugees are settled in the neighboring regions of Azerbaijan and in Ganja. Authorities face serious problem with rendering refugees medical aid and food. The number of refugees from Kelbajar is over 40,000 people. Azerbaijan is not capable of handling a disaster of this magnitude.--0-- ARMENIAN ARMY CONTINUES ATTACK ON FIZULI BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: The region of Fizuli of Azerbaijan, situated outside of the territory of Daglig (Nagorno) Garabag, has been subjected to heaviest attacks of Armenian army for the fourth day. About 30 armored technique and more than 500 soldiers of the enemy are taking part in the attack. Armenian units broke the defence line of the azeri forces and occupied the ruling height from where the town is shelled from ""Grad"" installations, this morning. There is heavy destructions in the town and more than 20 people are dead. Population of the town is hastily evacuated.--0-- PRESS-CONFERENCE OF THE CHIEF OF PRESS-SERVICE OF PRESIDENT OF AZERBAIJAN BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Fifty-five thousand refugees from the region of Kelbajar were taken out by 11 o'clock on April 5, informed the chief of the press-service of president of Azerbaijan, Arif Aliev, today. Journalists were also informed at the press-conference that International Red Cross is helping to accept and render refugees medical aid. There is an urgent need to supply the refugees with tents, food and medical aid. Arif Aliev informed that as a result of the ongoing tragedy brought on by the latest aggression of Armenia, the leadership of Azerbaijan intends to appeal to Azerbaijanis and all those who treasure human life all over the world for help. Concerning the reaction of the international community to aggression of Armenia, Aliev said the department of state of the USA has expressed its anxiety to leadership of Armenia. Participants of peace efforts in Daglig (Nagorno) Garabag under CSCE, Rafaelli, Mareska and Chetin strongly blamed the aggression of Armenia against Azerbaijan. Leader of press-service informed that tomorrow ambassador of Azerbaijan in Russia, Hikmet Haji-zade, will conduct a press-conference in Moscow. Detailed information on latest events in the region of Kelbajar of Azerbaijan will be given at the press-conference.--0-- AZERBAIJANIS PICKET IN FRONT OF MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF RUSSIA BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Azerbaijanis, living in Moscow, picketed in front of the building of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia. Picket was conducted as a token of protest against participation of Russian units in capture of the region of Kelbajar of Azerbaijan by Armenians. About 100 people took part in the picket, organized by Azerbaijani society ""Dayag"".--0-- PICKET OF SADVALERS IN MOSCOW BAKU (5 APRIL) 30-40 members of ""Sadval"" society picketed before the building of permanent representation of Azerbaijan in Moscow. Picketers were demanding the return of Lezghins lands, as if annexed by Azerbaijan. Ambassador of Azerbaijan in Moscow, Hikmet Haji-zade classified this action as provocation aimed at creating a further inter-ethnic conflict in Azerbaijan. He marked in his talk with the Turan correspondent that he does not rule out a connection between the Armenian aggression in the region of Kelbajar and this anti- azerbaijani action of the ""Sadval"" society in Moscow. He also marked that 30-40 people do not mean the Lezghian nationality in the whole. Society of Lezghins, ""Sadval"", registered in Moscow in 1990, demands the creation of a Lezghistan state, which never existed before on the northern territories of Azerbaijan.--0-- ATTACK OF ARMENIAN UNITS STOPPED BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Attack of Armenian army on the town of Fizuli, which began in the last twenty-four hours, is stopped, informs the press-service of the Ministry of Defence of Azerbaijan. In the result of undertaken measures, 6 tanks and a number of the attackers were destroyed. Advance units of the Armenian army retreated several kilometers. Chairman of the parliament, Isa Gambar, visited the town of Fizuli and met with commanders of the units of the national army and local citizens, today.--0-- STATEMENT OF MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF AZERBAIJAN BAKU (5 APRIL) TURAN: Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Azerbaijan issued a statement in connection with aggression of Armenia in the region of Kelbajar of Azerbaijan. It is stated in the statement that regular units of the armed forces of Armenia captured the town of Kelbajar on April 3 . Attack of Armenian units, which began on March 27 deep in the territory of Azerbaijan still continues. Armenia has occupied at present 7500 sq.km of the territory of Azerbaijan. Spreading of Armenian aggression far away from Ukhari (Upper) Garabag proves that the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflicts has entered a specially dangerous phase. This is the result of non-recognition of Armenia as an aggressor by the international community, is marked in the document. It is stressed in the statement that the units of the 7th Russian army are participating in the Armenian attack. This casts doubt on the sincerity of Russian mediation efforts in finding a peaceful solution to the conflict. It is marked in conclusion that aggressive actions of Armenia have wrecked the negotiation process under aegis of CSCE. The document contains the appeal to the world community to stop Armenian aggression and to use political and economic sanctions against the aggressor.--0-- Serdar Argic",17 " I would assume that the words (I saw the picture) indicated that those SEATS will not be available for baseball games. If you look at the picture of the diamond in the stadium, in relation to the areas marked ""NOT FOR BASEBALL"", those seats just look terrible for watching baseball. Now, if they should happen to reach the post-season, I would imagine that they would consider opening some of those seats up, but that is surely a worry of the future. Sam Lubchansky spl2@po.cwru.edu ""In the champion, people see what they'd like to be. In the loser, they see what they actually are, and they treat him with scorn.""",9 "In Windows I created a permanent Swap-file of 7771Kb as win3.1 recommended me to do that (32bit access). If I use EMM386.EXE, after win3.1 startup I have 6689K of memory free, if I leave EMM386.EXE out of my config.sys I have 9935K of memory free, and windows recommends me a swap file of 11769K. I use DOS6, with memmaker, have 4MB of internal Memory and a 486DX, Does anybody knows why this is happening (possibly win needs some UMB's to manage virtual memory?, If true, which UMB's, those that EMM386 can find without including suspicious parts?) I need an optimized DOS-environment, because i develop applications for DOS using a windows programming environment. ",2 "Here is a letter I sent to David Skaggs, (Dem, CO). Before anybody says something, yes the letter is a bit ""sharp"" in tone. I have been writting reasonable and polite letters to him for years, and all I get in return in the HCI party line. Since he already is NRA F rated, I don't think that upsetting him will harm the cause. Sorry if you disagree, but recent events in Texas REALLY have me pissed. ------------------- April 20, 1993 Representative Skaggs, Recently I wrote to you regarding my outrage over the tactics used by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, (BATF), in Texas. In your response you stated that ""Events in Texas underscore the need for stricter gun control legislation to keep guns out of the hand of groups such as the Branch Davidians. My question to you is, ""what grounds would you use to deny them access to firearms?"" Best I can tell this statement underscores your apparent total ignorance of the subject, and highlights your personal bias against firearms. I say this because there are only two possible paths of ""gun control"" which you could have been referencing. Either: 1) You were talking about their access to semi-automatics firearms. In this case I should point out that semi-automatic firearms are legal in most areas of this Country, including Texas and Colorado. In addition the members of the ""cult"" have never been convicted of any crimes which would deny them the ability to purchase these weapons. So under what grounds would you deny them these guns? Their religion? The fact they they live in a large group alone by themselves? Because you consider them to be a cult? Maybe I consider your Church to be a cult! This line of reasoning by you borders on the concept of ""thought crimes."" You and Pat Robertson should really get along. 2) You were referring to the ALLEGED FULLY automatic weapons possessed by the ""cult."" Under current US law, FULLY automatic weapons have been covered by some of the strictest gun control laws in this Nation. So if David Koresh illegally possessed them, he would have had to circumvent some of the strictest laws we have. How will more laws help? By the way, it has been reported that David Koresh possessed a Federal Firearms License which would have permitted him to possess FULLY automatic weapons. If true, the 85 people who perished Monday in the fire, died so that the Federal government could collect a couple hundred dollars in taxes on guns David Koresh didn't declare. I have heard claims that they were ""stockpiling weapons."" Yet considering the number of people in the complex, even 200+ weapons would not have been out of line with gun ownership statistics for all of Texas. What's next? A siege of Dallas/Ft Worth for alleged ""stockpiling?"" Face it David Skaggs, You have voted for virtually EVERY gun control law that has passed through Congress, yet you claim that you are only for ""reasonable"" restrictions. Bull****! Handgun Control Inc. is struggling to maintain 250,000 PAID members, while the NRA has just exceeded 3,000,000 members. They are still growing at a rate of 2,000 new members per day. Driving around YOUR district I see NRA stickers every day. In eight plus years of living here I have only seen ONE HCI bumper sticker. When you vote for your ""reasonable"" gun control laws, are you really representing your district, or are you representing Sarah Bradys'? Thank You, William J. Vojak April 20, 1993 Representative Skaggs, Recently I wrote to you regarding my outrage over the tactics used by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, (BATF), in Texas. In your response you stated that ""Events in Texas underscore the need for stricter gun control legislation to keep guns out of the hand of groups such as the Branch Davidians. My question to you is, ""what grounds would you use to deny them access to firearms?"" Best I can tell this statement underscores your apparent total ignorance of the subject, and highlights your personal bias against firearms. I say this because there are only two possible paths of ""gun control"" which you could have been referencing. Either: 1) You were talking about their access to semi-automatics firearms. In this case I should point out that semi-automatic firearms are legal in most areas of this Country, including Texas and Colorado. In addition the members of the ""cult"" have never been convicted of any crimes which would deny them the ability to purchase these weapons. So under what grounds would you deny them these guns? Their religion? The fact they they live in a large group alone by themselves? Because you consider them to be a cult? Maybe I consider your Church to be a cult! This line of reasoning by you borders on the concept of ""thought crimes."" You and Pat Robertson should really get along. 2) You were referring to the ALLEGED FULLY automatic weapons possessed by the ""cult."" Under current US law, FULLY automatic weapons have been covered by some of the strictest gun control laws in this Nation. So if David Koresh illegally possessed them, he would have had to circumvent some of the strictest laws we have. How will more laws help? By the way, it has been reported that David Koresh possessed a Federal Firearms License which would have permitted him to possess FULLY automatic weapons. If true, the 85 people who perished Monday in the fire, died so that the Federal government could collect a couple hundred dollars in taxes on guns David Koresh didn't declare. I have heard claims that they were ""stockpiling weapons."" Yet considering the number of people in the complex, even 200+ weapons would not have been out of line with gun ownership statistics for all of Texas. What's next? A siege of Dallas/Ft Worth for alleged ""stockpiling?"" Face it David Skaggs, You have voted for virtually EVERY gun control law that has passed through Congress, yet you claim that you are only for ""reasonable"" restrictions. Bull****! Handgun Control Inc. is struggling to maintain 250,000 PAID members, while the NRA has just exceeded 3,000,000 members. They are still growing at a rate of 2,000 new members per day. Driving around YOUR district I see NRA stickers every day. In eight plus years of living here I have only seen ONE HCI bumper sticker. When you vote for your ""reasonable"" gun control laws, are you really representing your district, or are you representing Sarah Bradys'? Thank You, William J. Vojak --------------------------- Bill Vojak vojak@icebucket.stortek.com NRA, ILA, Colorado Firearms Coalition ------------------------------------------------------------ The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER NOT!) The CBS Nightly Propaganda With Dan Rather. (RATHER BIASED!)",16 "Any truth to the rumor of an AWD 3-series for '94? I believe this info was published in either Popular Science or AutoWeek a couple of months ago. Also, a friend told me that BMW used to make an AWD 325 called the 325ix. I'd appreciate any info about this car too. Thanks.. Thanks.",7 " ... Why do you say this? As of now, the Pens and Bruins have played the same number of games, and given up the same number of goals. They are tied for the third and fourth best defenses in the league, behind Chicago first and Toronto second. The Pens' weak spot is defense? Only by comparison to their offense, which is second in the league to Detroit. But the Pens are no weaker on defense and goaltending than the Bruins are; that is, they are both very strong. ",10 " Why don't you consider PHIGS in X or PEX lib?",1 "I've got a Racet 5.25"" MO Drive with a Ricoh RO-5030E mechanism with the new ROMs... The thing is, I have a new TOSOH Optical Disk 512/bytes per sector cart for the thing that refuses to mount or be formatted... all the carts that I have for the drive that work are Racet Certified Media 512k/sector carts... All I can think of is that this TOSOH cart uses some kind of incompatible low level format... anyone know what software will allow this to be formatted on this drive? or a new DIP setting for the mechanism? I've tried just about every combination of drivers and custom formatting programs I can find with no luck... any ideas?",4 "Archive-name: atheism/faq Alt-atheism-archive-name: faq Last-modified: 5 April 1993 Version: 1.1 Alt.Atheism Frequently-Asked Questions This file contains responses to articles which occur repeatedly in alt.atheism. Points covered here are ones which are not covered in the ""Introduction to Atheism""; you are advised to read that article as well before posting. These answers are not intended to be exhaustive or definitive. The purpose of the periodic FAQ postings is not to stifle debate, but to raise its level. If you have something to say concerning one of these questions and which isn't covered by the answer given, please feel free to make your point. Overview of contents: ""What is the purpose of this newsgroup?"" ""Hitler was an atheist!"" ""The Bible proves it"" ""Pascal's Wager"" ""What is Occam's Razor?"" ""Why it's good to believe in Jesus"" ""Why I know that God exists"" ""Einstein and ""God does not play dice"""" ""Everyone worships something"" ""Why there must be a causeless cause"" ""The universe is so complex it must have been designed"" ""Independent evidence that the Bible is true"" ""Godel's Incompleteness Theorem"" ""George Bush on atheism and patriotism"" ""I know where hell is!"" ""Biblical contradictions wanted"" ""The USA is a Christian nation"" ""The USA is not a Christian nation"" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: What is the purpose of this newsgroup? Typical posting: Why have a newsgroup about atheism? Why do atheists organize in groups? What is there to discuss? Response: Many things are discussed here, including: * Whether it is reasonable to feign theism in order to avoid upsetting one's family * Prayer in schools * Discrimination against atheists * Sunday trading laws * The Satanic Child Abuse myth * Whether one should be an overt atheist or 'stay in the closet' * How religious societies prey (sic) on new college students * How to get rid of unwanted proselytizers * Whether religion is a danger to society and/or the individual * Why people become atheists Of course, inevitably alt.atheism tends to attract evangelical Christians looking for someone to convert. Most readers of the newsgroup don't want to be preached to, although a few seem to derive perverse pleasure from tearing apart particularly ill-considered or uninformed postings. ------------------------------ Subject: Hitler was an atheist! Typical posting: Hitler was an atheist, and look at what he did! Response: Adolf Hitler was emphatically not an atheist. As he said himself: The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making _people_stop_just_talking_ superficially_of_God's_will,_and_actually_fulfill_God's_will,_and_ not_let_God's_word_be_desecrated._[orig. ital.] For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. Therefore, let every man be active, each in his own denomination if you please, and let every man take it as his first and most sacred duty to oppose anyone who in his activity by word or deed steps outside the confines of his religious community and tries to butt into the other. [...] Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: _by_defending_myself_against_the_Jew,_I_am_ fighting_for_the_work_of_the_Lord._[orig. ital.] -- Adolf Hitler, from ""Mein Kampf"", trans. Ralph Mannheim. Of course, someone bad believing something does not make that belief wrong. It's also entirely possible that Hitler was lying when he claimed to believe in God. We certainly can't conclude that he's an atheist, though. ------------------------------ Subject: The Bible proves it Typical posting: In the Bible it says that... Response: Most of the readers of alt.atheism feel that the Bible is of questionable accuracy, as it was written thousands of years ago by many authors who were recording oral tradition that existed many years before. Thus, any claimed 'truth' in it is of questionable legitimacy. This isn't to say that The Bible has no truth in it; simply that any truth must be examined before being accepted. Many of the readers of this group also feel that because any passage is subject to ""interpretation"", any claim that a passage 'means' one thing and one thing only is not legitimate. Note that this feeling tends to extend to other books. It is also remarkable to many atheists that theists tend to ignore other equally plausible religious books in favour of those of their own religion. ------------------------------ Subject: Pascal's Wager Typical posting: If you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing -- but if you don't believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you will go to hell. Therefore it is foolish to be an atheist. Response: This argument is known as Pascal's Wager. It has several flaws. Firstly, it does not indicate which religion to follow. Indeed, there are many mutually exclusive and contradictory religions out there. This is often described as the ""avoiding the wrong hell"" problem. If a person is a follower of religion X, he may end up in religion Y's version of hell. Secondly, the statement that ""If you believe in God and turn out to be incorrect, you have lost nothing"" is not true. Suppose you're believing in the wrong God -- the true God might punish you for your foolishness. Consider also the deaths that have resulted from people rejecting medicine in favour of prayer. Another flaw in the argument is that it is based on the assumption that the two possibilities are equally likely -- or at least, that they are of comparable likelihood. If, in fact, the possibility of there being a God is close to zero, the argument becomes much less persuasive. So sadly the argument is only likely to convince those who believe already. Also, many feel that for intellectually honest people, belief is based on evidence, with some amount of intuition. It is not a matter of will or cost-benefit analysis. Formally speaking, the argument consists of four statements: 1. One does not know whether God exists. 2. Not believing in God is bad for one's eternal soul if God does exist. 3. Believing in God is of no consequence if God does not exist. 4. Therefore it is in one's interest to believe in God. There are two approaches to the argument. The first is to view 1 as an assumption, and 2 as a consequence of it. One problem with this approach, in the abstract, is that it creates information from no information. This is considered invalid in information theory. Statement 1 indicates one has no information about God -- but statement 2 indicates that beneficial information can be gained from the absolute lack of information about God. This violates information entropy -- information has been extracted from no information, at no ""cost"". The alternative approach is to claim that 1 and 2 are both assumptions. The problem with this is that 2 is then basically an assumption which states the Christian position, and only a Christian will agree with that assumption. The argument thus collapses to ""If you are a Christian, it is in your interests to believe in God"" -- a rather vacuous tautology, and not the way Pascal intended the argument to be viewed. The biggest reason why Pascal's wager is a failure is that if God is omniscient he will certainly know who really believes and who believes as a wager. He will spurn the latter... assuming he actually cares at all whether people believe in him. ------------------------------ Subject: What is Occam's Razor? Typical posting: People keep talking about Occam's Razor. What is it? Response: William of Occam formulated a principle which has become known as Occam's Razor. In its original form, it said ""Do not multiply entities unnecessarily."" That is, if you can explain something without supposing the existence of some entity, then do so. Nowadays when people refer to Occam's Razor, they generally express it more generally, for example as ""Take the simplest solution"". The relevance to atheism is that we can look at two possible explanations for what we see around us: 1. There is an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there, which came into being as a result of natural processes. 2. There is an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there, and there is also a God who created the universe. Clearly this God must be of non-zero complexity. Given that both explanations fit the facts, Occam's Razor might suggest that we should take the simpler of the two -- solution number one. Unfortunately, some argue that there is a third even more simple solution: 3. There isn't an incredibly intricate and complex universe out there. We just imagine that there is. This third option leads us logically towards solipsism, which many people find unacceptable. ------------------------------ Subject: Why it's good to believe in Jesus Typical posting: I want to tell people about the virtues and benefits of my religion. Response: Preaching is not appreciated. Feel free to talk about your religion, but please do not write postings that are on a ""conversion"" theme. Such postings do not belong on alt.atheism and will be rejected from alt.atheism.moderated (try the newsgroup talk.religion.misc). You would doubtless not welcome postings from atheists to your favourite newsgroup in an attempt to convert you; please do unto others as you would have them do unto you! Often theists make their basic claims about God in the form of lengthy analogies or parables. Be aware that atheists have heard of God and know the basic claims about him; if the sole purpose of your parable is to tell atheists that God exists and brings salvation, you may as well not post it, since it tells us nothing we have not been told before. ------------------------------ Subject: Why I know that God exists Typical posting: I *know* from personal experience and prayer that God exists. Response: Just as many theists have personal evidence that the being they worship exists, so many atheists have personal evidence that such beings do not exist. That evidence varies from person to person. Furthermore, without wishing to dismiss your evidence out of hand, many people have claimed all kinds of unlikely things -- that they have been abducted by UFOs, visited by the ghost of Elvis, and so on. ------------------------------ Subject: Einstein and ""God does not play dice"" Typical posting: Albert Einstein believed in God. Do you think you're cleverer than him? Response: Einstein did once comment that ""God does not play dice [with the universe]"". This quotation is commonly mentioned to show that Einstein believed in the Christian God. Used this way, it is out of context; it refers to Einstein's refusal to accept the uncertainties indicated by quantum theory. Furthermore, Einstein's religious background was Jewish rather than Christian. A better quotation showing what Einstein thought about God is the following: ""I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."" Einstein was unable to accept Quantum Theory because of his belief in an objective, orderly reality; a reality which would not be subject to random events and which would not be dependent upon the observer. He believed that QM was incomplete, and that a better theory would have no need for statistical interpretations. So far no such better theory has been found, and much evidence suggests that it never will be. A longer quote from Einstein appears in ""Science, Philosophy, and Religion, A Symposium"", published by the Conference on Science, Philosophy and Religion in Their Relation to the Democratic Way of Life, Inc., New York, 1941. In ""The more a man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature. For him neither the rule of human nor the rule of divine will exists as an independent cause of natural events. To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with natural events could never be *refuted* [italics his], in the real sense, by science, for this doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot. But I am convinced that such behavior on the part of representatives of religion would not only be unworthy but also fatal. For a doctrine which is to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark, will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm to human progress. In their struggle for the ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the doctrine of a personal God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope which in the past placed such vast power in the hands of priests. In their labors they will have to avail themselves of those forces which are capable of cultivating the Good, the True, and the Beautiful in humanity itself. This is, to be sure, a more difficult but an incomparably more worthy task..."" ""It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religous convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."" The latter quote is from ""Albert Einstein: The Human Side"", edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, and published by Princeton University Press. Also from the same book: ""I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."" Of course, the fact that Einstein chose not to believe in Christianity does not in itself imply that Christianity is false. ------------------------------ Subject: Everyone worships something Typical posting: Everyone worships something, whether it's money, power or God. Response: If that is true, everyone is a polytheist. Theists care just as much about those things that atheists care about. If the atheists' reactions to (for example) their families amount to worship then so do the theists'. ------------------------------ Subject: Why there must be a causeless cause Typical posting: Sets of integers that have a lower bound each have a smallest member, so chains of causes must all have a first element, a causeless cause. Response: The set of real numbers greater than zero has a definite lower bound, but has no smallest member. Further, even if it is true that there must be a causeless cause, that does not imply that that cause must be a conscious supernatural entity, and especially not that any such entity must match the description favoured by any particular religion. ------------------------------ Subject: The universe is so complex it must have been designed Typical posting: The presence of design in the universe proves there is a God. Surely you don't think all this appeared here just by chance? Response: This is known as the Argument From Design. It is a matter of dispute whether there is any element of design in the universe. Those who believe that the complexity and diversity of living creatures on the earth is evidence of a creator are best advised to read the newsgroup talk.origins for a while. There is insufficient space to summarize both sides of that debate here. However, the conclusion is that there is no scientific evidence in favour of so-called Scientific Creationism. Furthermore, there is much evidence, observation and theory that can explain many of the complexities of the universe and life on earth. The origin of the Argument by Design is a feeling that the existence of something as incredibly intricate as, say, a human is so improbable that surely it can't have come about by chance; that surely there must be some external intelligence directing things so that humans come from the chaos deliberately. But if human intelligence is so improbable, surely the existence of a mind capable of fashioning an entire universe complete with conscious beings must be immeasurably more unlikely? The approach used to argue in favour of the existence of a creator can be turned around and applied to the Creationist position. This leads us to the familiar theme of ""If a creator created the universe, what created the creator?"", but with the addition of spiralling improbability. The only way out is to declare that the creator was not created and just ""is"" (or ""was""). From here we might as well ask what is wrong with saying that the universe just ""is"" without introducing a creator? Indeed Stephen Hawking, in his book ""A Brief History of Time"", explains his theory that the universe is closed and finite in extent, with no beginning or end. The Argument From Design is often stated by analogy, in the so-called Watchmaker Argument. One is asked to imagine that one has found a watch on the beach. Does one assume that it was created by a watchmaker, or that it evolved naturally? Of course one assumes a watchmaker. Yet like the watch, the universe is intricate and complex; so, the argument goes, the universe too must have a creator. The Watchmaker analogy suffers from three particular flaws, over and above those common to all Arguments By Design. Firstly, a watchmaker creates watches from pre-existing materials, whereas God is claimed to have created the universe from nothing. These two sorts of creation are clearly fundamentally different, and the analogy is therefore rather weak. Secondly, a watchmaker makes watches, but there are many other things in the world. If we walked further along the beach and found a nuclear reactor, we wouldn't assume it was created by the watchmaker. The argument would therefore suggest a multitude of creators, each responsible for a different part of creation. Finally, in the first part of the watchmaker argument we conclude that the watch is not part of nature because it is ordered, and therefore stands out from the randomness of nature. Yet in the second part of the argument, we start from the position that the universe is obviously not random, but shows elements of order. The Watchmaker argument is thus internally inconsistent. ------------------------------ Subject: Independent evidence that the Bible is true Typical posting: The events of the New Testament are confirmed by independent documentary evidence. For example... Response: The writings of Josephus are often mentioned as independent documentary evidence. Early versions of Josephus's work are thought not to have mentioned Jesus or James; the extant version discusses John in a non-Christian context. Many scholars believe that the original mentioned Jesus and James in passing, but that this was expanded by Christian copyists. Several ""reconstructions"" of the original text have been published to this effect. Much information appears in the Ecclesiastical History of Eusebius (about 320 C.E.). It is worthless as historical material because of the deliberate falsification of the wily Eusebius who is generally acknowledged as 'the first thoroughly dishonest historian of antiquity.' It is Eusebius who is generally given the title of authorship for this material. Aside from the New Testament, the biographical information about Jesus is more well-documented. For further information, please consult the Frequently Asked Questions file for the newsgroup soc.religion.christian. ------------------------------ Subject: Godel's Incompleteness Theorem Typical posting: Godel's Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates that it is impossible for the Bible to be both true and complete. Response: Godel's First Incompleteness Theorem says that in any consistent formal system which is sufficiently expressive that it can model ordinary arithmetic, one can formulate expressions which can never be proven to be valid or invalid ('true' or 'false') within that formal system. (Technically speaking, the system must also be recursive; that is, there must be a decision procedure for determining whether a given string is an axiom within the formal system.) Essentially, all such systems can formulate what is known as a ""Liar Paradox."" The classic Liar Paradox sentence in ordinary English is ""This sentence is false."" Note that if a proposition is undecidable, the formal system cannot even deduce that it is undecidable. The logic used in theological discussions is rarely well defined, so claims that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates that it is impossible to prove or disprove) the existence of God are worthless in isolation. One can trivially define a formal system in which it is possible to prove the existence of God, simply by having the existence of God stated as an axiom. This is unlikely to be viewed by atheists as a convincing proof, however. It may be possible to succeed in producing a formal system built on axioms that both atheists and theists agree with. It may then be possible to show that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem holds for that system. However, that would still not demonstrate that it is impossible to prove that God exists within the system. Furthermore, it certainly wouldn't tell us anything about whether it is possible to prove the existence of God generally. Note also that all of these hypothetical formal systems tell us nothing about the actual existence of God; the formal systems are just abstractions. Another frequent claim is that Godel's Incompleteness Theorem demonstrates that a religious text (the Bible, the Book of Mormon or whatever) cannot be both consistent and universally applicable. Religious texts are not formal systems, so such claims are nonsense. ------------------------------ Subject: George Bush on atheism and patriotism Typical posting: Did George Bush really say that atheists should not be considered citizens? Response: The following exchange took place at the Chicago airport between Robert I. Sherman of American Atheist Press and George Bush, on August 27 1988. Sherman is a fully accredited reporter, and was present by invitation as a member of the press corps. The Republican presidential nominee was there to announce federal disaster relief for Illinois. The discussion turned to the presidential primary: RS: ""What will you do to win the votes of Americans who are atheists?"" GB: ""I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me."" RS: ""Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?"" GB: ""No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."" RS: ""Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?"" GB: ""Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists."" UPI reported on May 8, 1989, that various atheist organizations were still angry over the remarks. The exchange appeared in the Boulder Daily Camera on Monday February 27, 1989. It can also be found in ""Free Enquiry"" magazine, Fall 1988 issue, Volume 8, Number 4, page 16. On October 29, 1988, Mr. Sherman had a confrontation with Ed Murnane, cochairman of the Bush-Quayle '88 Illinois campaign. This concerned a lawsuit Mr. Sherman had filed to stop the Community Consolidated School District 21 (Chicago, Illinois) from forcing his first-grade Atheist son to pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States as ""one nation under God"" (Bush's phrase). The following conversation took place: RS: ""American Atheists filed the Pledge of Allegiance lawsuit yesterday. Does the Bush campaign have an official response to this filing?"" EM: ""It's bullshit."" RS: ""What is bullshit?"" EM: ""Everything that American Atheists does, Rob, is bullshit."" RS: ""Thank you for telling me what the official position of the Bush campaign is on this issue."" EM: ""You're welcome."" After Bush's election, American Atheists wrote to Bush asking him to retract his statement. On February 21st 1989, C. Boyden Gray, Counsel to the President, replied on White House stationery that Bush substantively stood by ""As you are aware, the President is a religious man who neither supports atheism nor believes that atheism should be unnecessarily encouraged or supported by the government."" For further information, contact American Atheist Veterans at the American Atheist Press's Cameron Road address. ------------------------------ Subject: I know where hell is! Typical posting: I know where Hell is! Hell is in Norway! Response: There are several towns called ""Hell"" in various countries around the world, including Norway and the USA. Whilst this information is mildly amusing the first time one hears it, readers of alt.atheism are now getting pretty fed up with hearing it every week. ------------------------------ Subject: Biblical contradictions wanted Typical posting: Does anyone have a list of Biblical contradictions? Response: American Atheist Press publish an atheist's handbook detailing Biblical contradictions. See the accompanying posting on Atheist Resources for details. There is a file containing some Biblical contradictions available from the archive-server@mantis.co.uk. See the contacts file for more information. ------------------------------ Subject: The USA is a Christian nation Typical posting: Because of the religious beliefs of the founding fathers, shouldn't the United States be considered a Christian nation? Response: Based upon the writings of several important founding fathers, it is clear that they never intended the US to be a Christian nation. Here are some quotes; there are many more. ""What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."" - James Madison, ""A Memorial and Remonstrance"", 1785 ""I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved--the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!"" - John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson ""History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."" - Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813 ""I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it."" - Benjamin Franklin, from ""Articles of Belief and Acts of Religion"", Nov. 20, 1728 ------------------------------ Subject: The USA is not a Christian nation Typical posting: Is it true that George Washington said that the United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian religion? Response: No. The quotation often given is in fact from Article XI of the 1797 Treaty of Tripoli (8 Stat 154, Treaty Series 358): Article 11 As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, -- as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, -- and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. The text may be found in the Congressional Record or in treaty collections such as Charles Bevans' ""Treaties and Other International Agreements of the United States of America 1776-1949"", vol. 11 (pp. 1070-1080). The English text of the Treaty of Tripoli was approved by the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797 and ratified by President John Adams on June 10, 1797. It was recently discovered that the Arabic version of the treaty not only lacks the quotation, it lacks Article XI altogether. The person who translated the Arabic to English was Joel Barlow, Consul General at Algiers, a close friend of Thomas Paine -- and an opponent of Christianity. It is possible that Barlow made up Article XI, but since there is no Arabic version of that article to be found, it's hard to say. In 1806 a new Treaty of Tripoli was ratified which no longer contained the quotation. ",0 "Just found a great deal on a Clifford Delta car alarm, $450 installed. Comes with glass break sensor, motion detector, and shock detector. Does anyone have one of these alarms? Are they any good? From the looks of it, its about the best on the market for the price. It's also on sale, so that's another reason to get it. I think I'll be saving almost $200. Any opinions?",7 " Did you forget to put in a sarcasm flag?",16 " Sounds like wishful guessing. 'So-called' ? What do you mean ? How would you see the peace process? So you say palestineans do not negociate because of 'well-founded' predictions ? How do you know that they are 'well founded' if you do not test them at the table ? 18 months did not prove anything, but it's always the other side at fault, right ? Why ? I do not know why, but if, let's say, the Palestineans (some of them) want ALL ISRAEL, and these are known not to be accepted terms by israelis. Or, maybe they (palestinenans) are not yet ready for statehood ? Or, maybe there is too much politics within the palestinean leadership, too many fractions aso ? I am not saying that one of these reasons is indeed the real one, but any of these could make arabs stall the negotiations. I like California oranges. And the feelings may get sharper at the table. Regards,",17 " Sometimes. It depends on your monitor and your timing. If you don't have enough vertical front porch and you use XOR composite sync you can get even/odd tearing at the top of the screen, which is very sensitive to the HHOLD control. It looks like what you would expect if you scanned the even fields (say) onto a sheet of mylar and had pinched the upper left corner with your fingers and started to tear it off the tube. With proper composite sync (equalizing pulses) the interlace is rock solid. ",12 " I would like to add my support for a misc.taoism discussion group. I applaud the enthusiam shown by the person posting <79899@cup.portal.com> ""Thyagi@cup.portal.com"" (I read in alt.magick), but I differ with him/her in believing that at least some minimal parameters should be agreed upon. But if we don't limit it to *something*, the discussion degenerates into a big amorphous glob. Other questions Thyagi proposes are: It seems to me that these questions more properly fall into the category of ""general metaphysics"". I would prefer any misc.taoism to deal more closely with topics and works more closely associated with at least ""semi-orthodox"" Taoism: with established classic works definitely included and works like Mantak Chia's argued about! I think ""neo-Taoism"" should be excluded or get its own group (what I mean by this is ""Humpty-Dumpty Taoism"", in which Taoism means whatever a poster says it means.) This ""alt.taoism"" could also be a refuge for debates about what ""Taoism *REALLY* means"" or speculations on sexual alchemy, etc.. e.g. (from Thyagi again): Kent gloomily predicts (quoting from Thyagi's article): I think that discussions of this nature are not completely out of place. What's happening is that that the term ""Taoism"" is becoming completely polluted and trivialized like the words ""magic"", ""Alchemy"", ""Zen,"" etc., by writers appropriating the word to mean whatever they want. This is seen by the spate of new age books entitled ""The Tao of"" this, that, and everything else. (With respect to some exceptions like the books by Jou, Tsung-Hwa.) Any other comments/ideas? I look forward to seeing them. On balance, I say let misc.taoism rip and let the chips fall where they may. If it just gets filled up with college freshmen asking about the Tao of Sex then it will have been a failure and people will post to these groups just as they do now. -- ",19 "ites: a The newer the drive, the less problem you will have. The old ten and fifteen meg full heights were power hogs, but I have over twenty units that I set up running flawlessly with half height drives and/or hard cards. -- ",3 "THE DIVINE MASTERS Most Christians would agree, and correctly so, that Jesus Christ was a Divine Master, and a projection of God into the physical world, God Incarnate. But there are some very important related facts that Christians are COMPLETELY IGNORANT of, as are followers of most other world religions. First, Jesus Christ was NOT unique, John 3:16 NOTWITH- STANDING. There is ALWAYS at least one such Divine Master (God Incarnate) PHYSICALLY ALIVE in this world AT ALL TIMES, a continuous succession THROUGHOUT HISTORY, both before and after the life of Jesus. The followers of some of these Masters founded the world's major religions, usually PERVERTING the teachings of their Master in the process. Christians, for example, added THREATS of ""ETERNAL DAMNATION"" in Hell, and DELETED the teaching of REincarnation. Secondly, and more importantly, after a particular Master physically dies and leaves this world, there is NOTHING that He can do for ANYbody except for the relatively few people that He INITIATED while He was still PHYSICALLY alive. (THAT IS SIMPLY THE WAY GOD SET THINGS UP IN THE UNIVERSES.) Therefore, all those Christians who worship Jesus, and pray to Jesus, and expect Jesus to return and save them from their sins, are only KIDDING THEMSELVES, and have allowed themselves to be DUPED by a religion that was mostly MANUFACTURED by the Romans. And emotional ""feelings"" are a TOTALLY DECEIVING indicator for religious validity. These things are similarly true for followers of most other major world religions, including Islam. Thirdly, the primary function of each Master is to tune His Initiates into the ""AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM"" or ""SOUND CURRENT"", (referred to as ""THE WORD"" in John 1:1-5, and as ""The River of Life"" in Revelation 22:1), and to personally guide each of them thru the upper levels of Heaven while they are still connected to their living physical bodies by a ""silver cord"". True Salvation, which completes a Soul's cycles of REincarnation in the physical and psychic planes, is achieved only by reaching at least the ""SOUL PLANE"", which is five levels or universes above the physical universe, and this canNOT be done without the help of a PHYSICALLY-Living Divine Master. One such Divine Master alive today is an American, Sri Harold Klemp, the Living ""Eck"" Master or ""Mahanta"" for the ""Eckankar"" organization, now headquartered in Minneapolis, (P.O. Box 27300; zip 55427). Another Divine Master is Maharaj Gurinder Singh Ji, now living in Punjab, India, and is associated with the ""Sant Mat"" organization. One of the classic books on this subject is ""THE PATH OF THE MASTERS"" (Radha Soami Books, P.O. Box 242, Gardena, CA 90247), written in 1939 by Dr. Julian Johnson, a theologian and surgeon who spent the last years of his life in India studying under and closely observing the Sant Mat Master of that time, Maharaj Sawan Singh Ji. Several of the Eckankar books, including some authored by Sri Paul Twitchell or Sri Harold Klemp, can be found in most public and university libraries and some book stores, or obtained thru inter-library loan. The book ""ECKANKAR--THE KEY TO SECRET WORLDS"", by Sri Paul Twitchell, is ANOTHER classic. Many Christians are likely to confuse the Masters with the ""Anti-Christ"", which is or was to be a temporary world dictator during the so-called ""last days"". But the Masters don't ever rule, even when asked or expected to do so as Jesus was. People who continue following Christianity, Islam, or other orthodox religions with a physically-DEAD Master, will CONTINUE on their cycles of REincarnation, between the Psychic Planes and this MISERABLE physical world, until they finally accept Initiation from a PHYSICALLY-LIVING Divine Master. RE-INCARNATION The book ""HERE AND HEREAFTER"", by Ruth Montgomery, describes several kinds of evidence supporting REincarnation as a FACT OF LIFE, including HYPNOTIC REGRESSIONS to past lives [about 50% accurate; the subconscious mind sometimes makes things up, especially with a bad hypnotist], SPONTANEOUS RECALL (especially by young children, some of whom can identify their most recent previous relatives, homes, possessions, etc.), DREAM RECALL of past life experi- ences, DEJA VU (familiarity with a far off land while travel- ing there for the first time on vacation), the psychic read- ings of the late EDGAR CAYCE, and EVEN SUPPORTING STATEMENTS FROM THE CHRISTIAN BIBLE including Matthew 17:11-13 (John the Baptist was the REINCARNATION of Elias.) and John 9:1-2 (How can a person POSSIBLY sin before he is born, unless he LIVED BEFORE?!). [ ALWAYS use the ""KING JAMES VERSION"". Later versions are PER-VERSIONS! ] Strong INTERESTS, innate TALENTS, strong PHOBIAS, etc., typically originate from a person's PAST LIVES. For example, a strong fear of swimming in or traveling over water usually results from having DROWNED at the end of a PREVIOUS LIFE. And sometimes a person will take AN IMMEDIATE DISLIKE to another person being met for the first time in THIS life, because of a bad encounter with him during a PREVIOUS INCARNATION. The teaching of REincarnation also includes the LAW OF KARMA (Galatians 6:7, Revelation 13:10, etc.). People would behave much better toward each other if they knew that their actions in the present will surely be reaped by them in the future, or in a FUTURE INCARNATION! ""2nd COMINGS"" If a Divine Master physically dies (""translates"") before a particular Initiate of His does, then when that Initiate physically dies (""translates""), the Master will meet him on the Astral level and take him directly to the Soul Plane. This is the ONE AND ONLY correct meaning of a 2nd Coming. It is an INDIVIDUAL experience, NOT something that happens for everyone all at once. People who are still waiting for Jesus' ""2nd Coming"" are WAITING IN VAIN. PLANES OF EXISTENCE The physical universe is the LOWEST of at least a DOZEN major levels of existence. Above the Physical Plane is the Astral Plane, the Causal Plane, the Mental Plane, the Etheric Plane (often counted as the upper part of the Mental Plane), the Soul Plane, and several higher Spiritual Planes. The Soul Plane is the FIRST TRUE HEAVEN, (counting upward from the Physical). The planes between (but NOT including) the Physical and Soul Planes are called the Psychic Planes. It is likely that ESP, telepathy, astrological influences, radionic effects, biological transmutations [See the 1972 book with that title.], and other phenomena without an apparent physical origin, result from INTERACTIONS between the Psychic Planes and the Physical Plane. The major planes are also SUB-DIVIDED. For example, a sub-plane of the Astral Plane is called ""Hades"", and the Christian Hell occupies a SMALL part of it, created there LESS THAN 2000 YEARS AGO by the EARLY CATHOLIC CHURCH by some kind of black magic or by simply teaching its existence in a THREATENING manner. The Christian ""Heaven"" is located elsewhere on the Astral Plane. Good Christians will go there for a short while and then REincarnate back to Earth. SOUND CURRENT vs. BLIND FAITH The Christian religion demands of its followers an extraordinary amount of BLIND FAITH backed up by little more than GOOD FEELING (which is TOTALLY DECEIVING). If a person is not HEARING some form of the ""SOUND CURRENT"" (""THE WORD"", ""THE BANI"", ""THE AUDIBLE LIFE STREAM""), then his cycles of REINCARNATION in this MISERABLE world WILL CONTINUE. The ""SOUND CURRENT"" manifests differently for different Initiates, and can sound like a rushing wind, ocean waves on the sea shore, buzzing bees, higher-pitched buzzing sound, a flute, various heavenly music, or other sounds. In Eckankar, Members start hearing it near the end of their first year as a Member. This and other experiences (such as ""SOUL TRAVEL"") REPLACE blind faith. For more information, answers to your questions, etc., please consult my CITED SOURCES (3 books, 2 addresses). UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. ",19 " It still applies, except the astronomy these days is Very Long Baseline Radio Astronomy coupled to GPS and Satellite Laser Ranging. The data from NASA's and the Naval Observatory's (among others) is a vital source of data for studies into crustal dynamics, Earth rotation, and purturbations. Every time there is a leap second added to the New Year, remember the military and science are still co-habiting nicely. The same VLBI was used to track Gallileo as it passed the Earth, and used so little fuel that it can afford to observe Ida. ",14 "I have recently graduated and am looking to move into a bigger house, leaving me with a condo to sell... It was originally listed at 59,000, but is now listed at $54,900. The following is a list of features. Master Bedroom 14x11 Bedroom 11x10 Living Room 16x13 Dining Room 10x9 Kitchen 9x11 w/ extra cabinets 1 Full / Modern Bathroom Full wtw carpeting /new/ excluding bath, Oil hot water heating /converting to gas this summer/, central air, condo fee $183/mo INCLUDING heat; hot water; landscaping; pool; tennis courts. In addition: washer, dryer /both in condo/, refrigerator, dishwasher, 2 ceiling fans, all window treatments /I don't understand why I can't call them curtains.../, and a mantle! Large storage room in private basement, plenty of undesignated parking. If you'd like to free me for the bliss of regular homeownership, please call Kathleen Sullivan at the Rohrer&Sayers Real Estate Agency: 609-546-0004. She'll arrange for a showing off. Now for that disclaimer caca: Subject to errors, changes, ommissions, withdrawls, and sales without notice. This posting is not to benefit or at the request of any commercial agency. I simply want out. Flames can be sent to /dev/null",6 " The only folks claiming this are the ATF/FBI who have an interest in putting the blame on the BD's. Wake up. Right and proper? How? It was FUBAR from day 1. From all independent sources. Yes. It would have hurt nothing to wait and the result could hardly have been worse. Sure, it you want to someone you claim is a dangerous paranoid even more paranoid. And what makes you think that ""waffle boy"" didn't tell her to take the wrap. It was job preservation not ""balls"".",16 " The word is ""subrogation."" Seems to me, if you're willing to wait for the money from scumbag's insurance, that you save having to pay the deductible. However, if scumbag's insurance is Scum insurance, then you may have to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.'s pack of rabid, large- fanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance's lawyers. Sad, but true. Call it job security for lawyers. Later,",8 " A Sea Doo is a boat. It turns by changing the angle of the duct behind the propeller. A waterski bike looks like a motorcycle but has a ski where each wheel should be. Its handlebars are connected through a familiar looking steering head to the front ski. It handles like a motorcycle.",8 "[...] I don't claim to be a crypto analyist... there isn't a whole lot of good literature on the subject, and the best people don't seem to publish their work :) but I rather doubt the approach such folks use is brute force (sorry to have implied that in my previous post). The history of these things is folks find clever ways of limiting the search and bang from there. I guess my real problem with Skipjack is I can not believe NSA would make publicly available a system they couldn't break if they wanted... it just isn't in their charter. Remember DES came from IBM, not NSA and, when first published, was given a useful life of 20 years... I think we are well past that point now :( Remember, based on the size of the NSA budget, they spend a lot more on the technology of decryption than most computer companies spend on R&D. I have to imagine their stuff is real interesting... A friend who once worked for them (he is dead now) said he always enjoyed monitoring SAC's (Strategic Air Command) crypto traffic :) and I rather suspect that stuff is a bit more complex than Skipjack (Or was it the military got the stuff from the NSA just like we get Skipjack from them ;) [BTW, folks, NSA wasn't being given the keys. And the Walker spy case shows for some of the systems, the KGB didn't need them either.] ",11 " While I don't read normally read this group, I was looking for Valentine radar information (sigh, maybe in the FAQ) and came across your posting.. I bought a '93 Probe GT with the PEP 263A last July (now at 9500 miles) after debating over the Sentra SE-R/NX2000, MX6, MR-2, Stealth, Prelude, and Celica. Check this month's Consumer Reports for previous Probe records. My criteria: a ""fun"" car with ABS, airbag, over 130hp, and less than $25K. I thought about a turbo, but checking with insurance people ruled that out. The Tri-Star cars (Eclipse/Talon/etc) were out since they don't have an air bag. Ditto for the Mustang(also no ABS). The SE-R/NX2000/M20 fell into the pocket-rocket category. A good used car buy. The MX-6 was almost there but rolled more than I liked. I didn't like the Prelude dash/instrumentation at all. Too weird for me. The MR2 has a much smaller non-passenger space than I needed, so out that went. The Celica was ""ok"" but underpowered when loaded with options (and somewhat overpriced too) in non-turbo form. I never considered the 240SX since it didn't have an airbag. I did look at it for its RWD virtues but that's it. The Corolla never entered my mind. I should have looked at the Mitsubishi VR4/Dodge Stealth more. Since my list was exhausted, I bought the Probe. :-) The car design is different than earlier years, so it's too early to see its reliability so far. For what it's worth, my comments: My dislikes: Shutting door with windows up from inside rarely makes good wind seal. Headlights have ""stuck"" up a few times (weather?) air conditioning broke ~4000 miles (pressure cycling switch) condensation around rear washer fluid container doesn't drain completely. crammed engine; little hope for do-it-yourselfers (typical) parts somewhat more expensive than normal Ford parts underside plastic doesn't like sharp driveways and speedbumps (typical). assembly gripes: tape on radiator, screw fell out of dash, seat seams not stitched properly. Hopefully just a fluke. Ford only gives 1 key with the car. C'mon Ford, spend an extra few pennies! Rear hatch has no padding on corners when up. I'm waiting for the day when I bash my head on the corner. horn buttons behind air bag in spokes and not in center (personal preference) Tires fling dirt/mud onto side of car My Likes: engine (design/valves/sounds/smoothness/power/mileage/torque) -- definitely #1 handling (very good for FWD; understeer only at limits) transmission (the 5 speed is a must) usable instrumentation (lovely readable analog everywhere) Very little torque steer at full power (much better than the '90 SHO I drive) stability at 100+mph (high gearing though) low cowl (good visibility in front) Heated outside mirrors (nice in fog, never tested in freezing weather) ABS/Air bag (see above) rear seats fold down (I have few rear seat passengers so a trunk not important) No shake/rattle noises when going over bumps/potholes (still!) Tires: 225/55VR16 Goodyear Eagles (70% left; hoping for 30K :-) As you can see, I'm primarily interested in the engine. While it doesn't have the uummmph of a big-liter car or the turbo rush, the big selling point for me was the all-aluminum 24 value 2.5 liter engine. The overall car is a good buy for the money. That market segment hasn't changed much since July (Prelude VTEC, Honda Del Sol??). I drive it to and from work each day on relatively smooth roads, and most noticable thing is that the Probe's suspension doesn't like potholes. When you test drive one, find a potholed road somewhere around town and see if the jarring you get is tolerable. If you have 3+ passengers, by all means bring them along too. They'll find that they have no room in the back and you'll find that the car rides differently (if that's ""better"" is up to you). Also, there's a lot of glass around you which I wasn't expecting; the temperature inside the car gets pretty hot in the summer. My back seat passengers (now very few) complain about the lack of ventilation; you may want to consider that when combined with the heat. I've heard that the exhaust system has trouble, but mine works fine. Leather and the keyless entry system weren't available when I got the car so I can't comment on them (I got the car before it was officially announced). I prefer cloth to leather anyway. I wouldn't want this car in the snow: The suspension is too rough for the inevitable surprise potholes, tires aren't meant for snow, and the seats assume that you're not wearing lots of thick clothing. Rain is much better: water generally beads off the windshield at freeway speed, the windshield wiper controls are easy and understandable, and I barely hydroplaned once with the Eagles (and I was really trying). There is also a definite lack of cup holder/small storage places. The GT has map holders below the speakers in the door, but they're rigid plastic that could fit two cassettes or CD's max. The center console/storage bin/arm rest has *1* cup holder and the back of the front seats have a cloth ""pouch"" but that's it. No change holders. Quite a let-down from the SHO. And the Probe is definitely not a people-mover car or an econo-box car! Lastly, don't store wet car covers in the back. The foam will soak the water up and the result will *not* smell pleasant :-(. Nathan nathan@sco.com ",7 "Recently my cousin got a second internal IDE drive (a Seagate 210MB, I can look up the model number if it's important) and I've been trying to help him install it. [I've got a vested interest, since my machine's busted and I have to use his until I get mine fixed.] He already has a Seagate 85MB IDE HD (again, I forget the model number but I can find out.) Anyway, I can't seem to get the bloody thing up. I've managed to get one or the other drive up (with the other disconnected), but not both at the same time; whenever I try, the thing hangs during bootup - never gets past the system test. The IDE controller's instruction sheet says it supports two drives; I think I've configured the CMOS correctly; the power's plugged in properly; I even learned about the master/slave relationship that two HDs are supposed to have (didn't know PCs were into S&M! 8^) and I think I configured the jumpers properly (the 85MB one is the master, the new 210MB one is the slave). The only thing I can think of is maybe I'm doing the cabling wrong. I've tried several combinations: controller - master - slave controller - slave - master master - controller - slave None of them worked. Unfortunately, I can't think of any others. Another possibility is that the 85MB one is already partitioned into two seperate drives, C and D, and the CMOS asks for ""C: drive"" and ""D: drive"" setup info rather than ""drive 1"" and ""drive 2"" like most others I've seen. Could this be confusing things? So, I need HELP! The drive came bereft of any docs, except for some info for the CMOS setup; the controller has a little piece of paper about the size of an index card; I cannibalized the cable (it's one of those with a connector at each end and the one in the middle, so it looks like a serial connection); now I be lost! Many, many thanks in advance! This is practically an emergency (I have two papers to do on this thing for Monday!)! Help! -- ",3 ,17 "