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It was like a on-off switch.
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"Let's read these chapters, let's.
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His bedtime routine- He didn't ask me to check in ...
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" But I'm also like.
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I mean, I still do all the things with my daughter, but it just felt...
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" And I just really, really hit me last night.
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'Cause it's not the first time he's really done that, but doing kinda solo bedtime with both of them, I was like, "Oh, wow, this is different.
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Okay, so let's, uh, dive into this topic because it's one that I, I love.
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Um, and I actually love this story.
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I was looking at the, all the old videos when you guys were like, "You know, we never imagined that all this, this ideas that we had on paper or like on the computer actually turn into a reality.
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And I just love those, those stories, right?
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But we were- We taught at the same school.
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And so yeah, when...
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And I felt like I didn't even hardly know Ann, and she...
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yep, and that's, like, [laughs] that personality dynamic is pretty, uh, telling- Yeah.
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Um, but, but we would, like, go to wine bars and, like, plan and, like, dream and kinda think about, like, what it could be.
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Like, we'd just kind of wine-bar-hop and, and just dream.
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And then I was like, "Well, I'm quitting.
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I'm quitting, and I'm doing this 100% full time in August," and after the school year had finished, um, and yeah, we just kinda dove right into it.
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We were like, "We've done a couple residential spaces, but you know what?
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And then we had a bun-...
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we had several, like, which at the time felt huge, like, big contracts.
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Um, and then March 2020 rolls around, and everything fell through.
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[laughs] So we, we really had to pivot, and it was this big question of, like, will people want this in their homes?
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Like, n- who knows the next time people, let alone people with children?
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Or- Was it always play areas?
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Like, was that always the idea?
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It- it was always play areas through an educational lens, right?
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And sometimes it was...
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we did a lot of work with, um, physical therapists, occupational therapists, speech language pathologists, like, children's services providers- Mm-hmm ...
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So we did a lot of that.
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but the organizational design isn't enough.
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Um, yeah, and so we had this, I think, fear that, you know, um, just individual families wouldn't have the appetite and really want to pay for, um, the service, right?
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That alone- Yeah ...
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you know, they, they figure things out.
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How did that pan out?
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Oh, it had a massive impact.
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But you're exactly right.
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Like, the n- the attention that people started paying to their homes, and what it's like to really spend time in their homes with their entire family, with their children, and making the space really be of service to the family- Yep ...
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was, like, a totally different conversation.
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And so much of our educational nerdiness, right?
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The amount of neuron growth and neural growth that happens before kids are five is insane, and all of it can be...
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but it, it also, it can feel like a huge, like you're saying, like a huge pressure for families- Mm-hmm.
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" And we do so much of that to ourselves, and that was really what w- we, what was so motivating for us, is like, what kids need is they need an environment that's set up and ready to allow them to, like, play independently and play with their family.
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And the way that we do that is, like, it's so much like setting up a...
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'Cause you want your child to learn to entertain themselves in a way that is, like, I guess, beneficial for them as well. Yeah.
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and there's so much that goes behind...
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The i- the idea that we want to provide children with opportunities from all aspects of play, different types of play.
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Because if you're limiting children with only specific types of play, then they're limited, right?
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And so, we want them to be able to explore and to have that free range, really, in, uh, with different types of materials, with different types of play, so that, um, they are just exploring.
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I mean, the children and play is not play unless they are the ones directing it, right?
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And so, school, right?
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Is a little different.
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What does a meeting- Yeah ...
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Like, what does that conversation look like when it comes to designing a room that's, you know, fit for that child? Yeah.
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Well, first, um, the kind of very first parts of the conversation, or conversations throughout, is also, is, is kind of instilling this, this piece that I, I hear you keep mentioning, of like, yes, we are investing in this space for our kids, but it is going to bring you, as the adults, so much peace- Mm-hmm ...
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And so, that is why our approach really is the way it is.
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And if, like, there's any cha-...
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if something's not working, or if, you know, there's a dream about how things work, work in the home, right?
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For an example, is, um, I was just talking to one of my clients, and she was like, "Ann, I know you said that my life would change when this came into our basement, but I had no idea what you meant.
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" [laughs] Like, and then, uh, later on, you know, they come home from school, they're right, they're right in the basement.
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Like, it almost changes kinda the way your house f-...
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I have another family who they're like, "We just put the kids' uniforms in the playroom- [laughs] ...
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The next thing I wanna know is the...
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Their interests, yes, but when we're talking about kids age zero to ten, we really have a very balanced approach.
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When we have kids eight to 18, that's when we wanna lean into their specific interests.
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So we wanna kind of figure out, like, who's in the house?
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Um, and then we also wanna know, do the kids need any specific supports- Right ...
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Do we have sensory needs?
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Um, are there...
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Like, anywhere, parents, kids- Yeah ...
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So what we wanna do is design a space that's elevated for the adults and purposeful and beautiful for the kids, 'cause as humans, we wanna be in a beautiful space.
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or I think [stutters] an advantage it was for both of you to have this educational background, right?
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Like, uh, it's so funny.
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It's interesting because we taught different ages.
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So Ann taught mostly early childhood- Mm-hmm ...
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And so when we were talking at the beginning, we were thinking about this whole journey, right?
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Like, and how kids grow and how...
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And, uh, I mean, it's just at the heart of everything that we do, and we love sharing these things with, um, our team.
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And we have, you know, folks on our team who, uh, are parents.
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For anyone that's listening that might be interested in, in learning more of actually hiring you guys, how does this work? Yeah.
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So, um, but yeah.
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but it's also going to just give so much relief to the caregivers who are supporting- Yes ...
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Like in, honestly- Hmm ...
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Um, again, we know that not everyone has, you know...
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to allocate that for your child.
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Now- Yeah ...
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" Just like the top three or four items or things or things to consider f- for these spaces that are beneficial and those that are not beneficial for our children.
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Um, it is open floor, sort and store, less is more.
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Ah, there you go.
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So essentially, like if you have a dedicated space, it's li- it's, it's about reclaiming adult spaces too.
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But, um, but in terms of like if you don't have a space or if you're just getting started, here are three big tips.
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Open floor, like the most important thing that you can have is to have space.
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So if you have a coffee table, put it in storage.
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Have it by your bed- bedside ta- you know, like, uh, try it out of the room because just having that space is gonna allow kids to build bigger and build more creatively and interact with the space in a different way.
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Um, do you wanna do sort and store, Jodi?
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Sort and store is really just that we're using categories to sort types of toys that belong together to put them together.
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So, we have found that like very, very young, if we have predictable, um, like, uh, just locations and also that things are grouped together, children learn really fast.
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And so, I would notice it when my kids were just crawling.
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And we have a bin also for musical instruments, but they are in predictable spaces and they are in bins that the kids can access that are in a predictable place.
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