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You'll have to write a lot of boiler plate code just to get a decent UI that feels modern.	o
Another weak area is theming.	o
As of today, there are a lot of themes around.	o
URL_http://geeknizer.com/best-java-swing-look-and-feel-themes-professional- casual-top-10/ [See-here-for-a-top-10] .	o
But some are slow, some are buggy, some are incomplete.	n
I hate it when I write a UI and users complain that something doesn't work for them because they selected an odd theme.	n
3.	o
JGoodies is another layer on top of Swing, like SwingX.	o
It tries to make Swing more pleasant to use.	p
The web site looks great.	p
Let's have a look at the tutorial ... hm ... still searching ... hang on.	n
It seems that there is no documentation on the web site at all.	o
URL_https://www.google.ch/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=jgoodies%20tutorial [Google-to-the-rescue] .	o
Nope, no useful tutorials at all.	o
I'm not feeling confident with a UI framework that tries so hard to hide the documentation from potential new fans.	n
That doesn't mean JGoodies is bad; I just couldn't find anything good to say about it but that it looks nice.	p
4.	o
JavaFX.	o
Great, stylish.	p
Support is there but I feel it's more of a shiny toy than a serious UI framework.	o
This feeling roots in the lack of complex UI components like tree tables.	n
There is a URL_http://docs.oracle.com/javafx/2/webview/jfxpub-webview.htm [webkit-based-component-to-display-HTML] .	o
When it was introduced, my first thought was "five years too late.	o
" If your aim is a nice app for phones or web sites, good.	p
If your aim is professional desktop application, make sure it delivers what you need.	o
5.	o
Pivot.	o
First time I heard about it.	o
It's basically a new UI framework based on Java2D.	o
So I gave it a try yesterday.	o
No Swing, just tiny bit of AWT ( CODETERM3 ).	o
My first impression was a nice one.	p
There is an extensive documentation that helps you getting started.	o
Most of the URL_http://pivot.apache.org/tutorials /push-buttons.html [examples-come-with-live-demos] (Note: You must have Java enabled in your web browser; _this is a security risk_) in the web page, so you can see the code and the resulting application side by side.	n
In my experience, more effort goes into code than into documentation.	o
By looking at the Pivot docs, a lot of effort must have went into the code.	o
Note that there is currently a bug which prevents some of the examples to work ( URL_https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PIVOT-858 [PIVOT-858] ) in your browser.	n
My second impression of Pivot is that it's easy to use.	p
When I ran into a problem, I could usually solve it quickly by looking at an example.	o
I'm missing a reference of all the styles which each component supports, though.	o
As with JavaFX, it's missing some higher level components like a tree table component ( URL_https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PIVOT-306 [PIVOT-306] ).	o
I didn't try lazy loading with the table view.	o
My impression is that if the underlying model uses lazy loading, then that's enough.	p
Promising.	p
If you can, give it a try.	o
With respect to JavaFXs webview, it's based on webkit URL_http://docs.oracle.com/javafx/2/webview/jfxpub-webview.htm and from a few short tests that i have done it seems to work fine with js in general (including jquery and jqueryui).	o
@nvrs: Thanks, updated my answer.	o
Not sure if this just wasn't true at the time of writing, but the JavaFX site states that it supports Linux.	o
Great answer, btw.	p
JavaFX is bundled with Java 7 since u06.	o
Updated my answer.	o
For number 1, the sentence "you can add new classes in that package because it's signed" has ambiguity.	o
Do you mean cannot?	o
@David: Good catch.	p
Fixed.	o
Tried Pivot demo "Kitchen sink", after opening some groups it keeps eating whole CPU.	o
If it's because of Pivot design, then I definitely don't want it in my projects.	o
Seems like I've found the source of problem and it's fixed in later versions: URL_http://apache-pivot-users.399431.n3.nabble.com/Expanders-Cause-Increased-CPU - and-Memory-Use-td4022102.html.	n
JavaFX 8 (for Java 8 and above) has a TreeTableView widget.	o
However, JavaFX 2.2 (for Java 7) lacks this, and also lacks standard error and info dialgos: see URL_http://stackoverflow.com/a/12760202/105137 .	o
Also the ControlsFX widget library is available for Java 8 only: URL_http://fxexperience.com/controlsfx/ .	o
URL_http://www.eclipse.org/swt/ [SWT] by itself is pretty low-level, and it uses the platform's native widgets through JNI.	n
It is not related to Swing and AWT at all.	o
The URL_http://eclipse.org [Eclipse-IDE] and all Eclipse-based Rich Client Applications, like the URL_https://www.vuze.com/ [Vuze-BitTorrent- client] , are built using SWT.	o
Also, if you are developing Eclipse plugins, you will typically use SWT.	o
I have been developing Eclipse-based applications and plugins for almost 5 years now, so I'm clearly biased.	o
However, I also have extensive experience in working with SWT and the URL_http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/JFace [JFace- UI-toolkit] , which is built on top of it.	o
I have found JFace to be very rich and powerful; in some cases it might even be the main reason for choosing SWT.	p
It enables you to whip up a working UI quite quickly, as long as it is IDE- like (with tables, trees, native controls, etc).	p
Of course you can integrate your custom controls as well, but that takes some extra effort.	p
In your opinion, would an advanced component like a TreeTable with column sorting and filtering be a big issue with SWT+JFace?	o
@netbrain: I have done that numerous times, it's fairly straightforward with JFace.	p
This is what I meant by an "IDE-like" interface, maybe not the best choice of words.	p
I would like to suggest another framework: Apache Pivot URL_http://pivot.apache.org/ [ URL_http://pivot.apache.org/ ] .	o
I tried it briefly and was impressed by what it can offer as an RIA (Rich Internet Application) framework _ala_ Flash.	o
It renders UI using Java2D, thus minimizing the impact of (IMO, bloated) legacies of Swing and AWT.	n
I had the impression that netbrain was asking about desktop apps.	o
For RIA frameworks, consider also GWT and Vaadin.	o
These frameworks allow you to write in Java, compile and get JavaScript that runs very well on all common web browsers.	p
can't pivot be applied for desktop applications?	o
Maybe it is a matter of definition, but RIA frameworks are basically designed to run in browsers.	o
@netbrain : Yes, you can run Pivot as desktop app (JFrame) or applet (JApplet).	o
Swing + SwingX + URL_http://www.miglayout.com/ [Miglayout] is my combination of choice.	o
Miglayout is so much simpler than Swings perceived 200 different layout managers and much more powerful.	p
Also, it provides you with the ability to "debug" your layouts, which is especially handy when creating complex layouts.	n
Miglayout reminds of the days where table tags in html were the standard for laying out elements on a page ;) Thanks for your contribution.	p
Another option is to use URL_http://qt-jambi.org/ [Qt-Jambi] .	o
It has nearly all the greatness of Qt (many components, good documentation, easy to use), without the hassle of C++.	p
I used it 3-4 years ago for a small project, even then it was almost mature.	o
You might want to see the discussion about Swing vs. Qt URL_http://stackoverflow.com/questions/422956/java-swing-or-java-qt [here] .	o
My personal opinion: Go for Swing together with the NetBeans platform.	o
If you need advanced components (more than NetBeans offers) you can easily integrate SwingX without problems (or JGoodies) as the NetBeans platform is completely based on Swing.	o
I would not start a large desktop application (or one that is going to be large) without a good platform that is build upon the underlying UI framework.	p
The other option is SWT together with the Eclipse RCP, but it's harder (though not impossible) to integrate "pure" Swing components into such an application.	n
The learning curve is a bit steep for the NetBeans platform (although I guess that's true for Eclipse as well) but there are some good books around which I would highly recommend.	p
Note that SwingX is components (AFAIU) that are extensions or compositions of existing Swing components.	o
JGoodies OTOH is about PLAFs and layouts.	o
But as you said, either will integrate seamlessly with Swing.	o
+1 Base your development on Swing.	o
Swing is built on top of AWT and includes light-weight components that look and behave the same on all platforms, so you never should use AWT components directly.	p

You'll have to write a lot of boiler plate code just to get a decent UI that feels modern.

o

Another weak area is theming.

o

As of today, there are a lot of themes around.

o

URL_http://geeknizer.com/best-java-swing-look-and-feel-themes-professional- casual-top-10/ [See-here-for-a-top-10] .

o

But some are slow, some are buggy, some are incomplete.

n

I hate it when I write a UI and users complain that something doesn't work for them because they selected an odd theme.

n

3.

o

JGoodies is another layer on top of Swing, like SwingX.

o

It tries to make Swing more pleasant to use.

p

The web site looks great.

p

Let's have a look at the tutorial ... hm ... still searching ... hang on.

n

It seems that there is no documentation on the web site at all.

o

URL_https://www.google.ch/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=jgoodies%20tutorial [Google-to-the-rescue] .

o

Nope, no useful tutorials at all.

o

I'm not feeling confident with a UI framework that tries so hard to hide the documentation from potential new fans.

n

That doesn't mean JGoodies is bad; I just couldn't find anything good to say about it but that it looks nice.

p

4.

o

JavaFX.

o

Great, stylish.

p

Support is there but I feel it's more of a shiny toy than a serious UI framework.

o

This feeling roots in the lack of complex UI components like tree tables.

n

There is a URL_http://docs.oracle.com/javafx/2/webview/jfxpub-webview.htm [webkit-based-component-to-display-HTML] .

o

When it was introduced, my first thought was "five years too late.

o

" If your aim is a nice app for phones or web sites, good.

p

If your aim is professional desktop application, make sure it delivers what you need.

o

5.

o

Pivot.

o

First time I heard about it.

o

It's basically a new UI framework based on Java2D.

o

So I gave it a try yesterday.

o

No Swing, just tiny bit of AWT ( CODETERM3 ).

o

My first impression was a nice one.

p

There is an extensive documentation that helps you getting started.

o

Most of the URL_http://pivot.apache.org/tutorials /push-buttons.html [examples-come-with-live-demos] (Note: You must have Java enabled in your web browser; _this is a security risk_) in the web page, so you can see the code and the resulting application side by side.

n

In my experience, more effort goes into code than into documentation.

o

By looking at the Pivot docs, a lot of effort must have went into the code.

o

Note that there is currently a bug which prevents some of the examples to work ( URL_https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PIVOT-858 [PIVOT-858] ) in your browser.

n

My second impression of Pivot is that it's easy to use.

p

When I ran into a problem, I could usually solve it quickly by looking at an example.

o

I'm missing a reference of all the styles which each component supports, though.

o

As with JavaFX, it's missing some higher level components like a tree table component ( URL_https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PIVOT-306 [PIVOT-306] ).

o

I didn't try lazy loading with the table view.

o

My impression is that if the underlying model uses lazy loading, then that's enough.

p

Promising.

p

If you can, give it a try.

o

With respect to JavaFXs webview, it's based on webkit URL_http://docs.oracle.com/javafx/2/webview/jfxpub-webview.htm and from a few short tests that i have done it seems to work fine with js in general (including jquery and jqueryui).

o

@nvrs: Thanks, updated my answer.

o

Not sure if this just wasn't true at the time of writing, but the JavaFX site states that it supports Linux.

o

Great answer, btw.

p

JavaFX is bundled with Java 7 since u06.

o

Updated my answer.

o

For number 1, the sentence "you can add new classes in that package because it's signed" has ambiguity.

o

Do you mean cannot?

o

@David: Good catch.

p

Fixed.

o

Tried Pivot demo "Kitchen sink", after opening some groups it keeps eating whole CPU.

o

If it's because of Pivot design, then I definitely don't want it in my projects.

o

Seems like I've found the source of problem and it's fixed in later versions: URL_http://apache-pivot-users.399431.n3.nabble.com/Expanders-Cause-Increased-CPU - and-Memory-Use-td4022102.html.

n

JavaFX 8 (for Java 8 and above) has a TreeTableView widget.

o

However, JavaFX 2.2 (for Java 7) lacks this, and also lacks standard error and info dialgos: see URL_http://stackoverflow.com/a/12760202/105137 .

o

Also the ControlsFX widget library is available for Java 8 only: URL_http://fxexperience.com/controlsfx/ .

o

URL_http://www.eclipse.org/swt/ [SWT] by itself is pretty low-level, and it uses the platform's native widgets through JNI.

n

It is not related to Swing and AWT at all.

o

The URL_http://eclipse.org [Eclipse-IDE] and all Eclipse-based Rich Client Applications, like the URL_https://www.vuze.com/ [Vuze-BitTorrent- client] , are built using SWT.

o

Also, if you are developing Eclipse plugins, you will typically use SWT.

o

I have been developing Eclipse-based applications and plugins for almost 5 years now, so I'm clearly biased.

o

However, I also have extensive experience in working with SWT and the URL_http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/JFace [JFace- UI-toolkit] , which is built on top of it.

o

I have found JFace to be very rich and powerful; in some cases it might even be the main reason for choosing SWT.

p

It enables you to whip up a working UI quite quickly, as long as it is IDE- like (with tables, trees, native controls, etc).

p

Of course you can integrate your custom controls as well, but that takes some extra effort.

p

In your opinion, would an advanced component like a TreeTable with column sorting and filtering be a big issue with SWT+JFace?

o

@netbrain: I have done that numerous times, it's fairly straightforward with JFace.

p

This is what I meant by an "IDE-like" interface, maybe not the best choice of words.

p

I would like to suggest another framework: Apache Pivot URL_http://pivot.apache.org/ [ URL_http://pivot.apache.org/ ] .

o

I tried it briefly and was impressed by what it can offer as an RIA (Rich Internet Application) framework _ala_ Flash.

o

It renders UI using Java2D, thus minimizing the impact of (IMO, bloated) legacies of Swing and AWT.

n

I had the impression that netbrain was asking about desktop apps.

o

For RIA frameworks, consider also GWT and Vaadin.

o

These frameworks allow you to write in Java, compile and get JavaScript that runs very well on all common web browsers.

p

can't pivot be applied for desktop applications?

o

Maybe it is a matter of definition, but RIA frameworks are basically designed to run in browsers.

o

@netbrain : Yes, you can run Pivot as desktop app (JFrame) or applet (JApplet).

o

Swing + SwingX + URL_http://www.miglayout.com/ [Miglayout] is my combination of choice.

o

Miglayout is so much simpler than Swings perceived 200 different layout managers and much more powerful.

p

Also, it provides you with the ability to "debug" your layouts, which is especially handy when creating complex layouts.

n

Miglayout reminds of the days where table tags in html were the standard for laying out elements on a page ;) Thanks for your contribution.

p

Another option is to use URL_http://qt-jambi.org/ [Qt-Jambi] .

o

It has nearly all the greatness of Qt (many components, good documentation, easy to use), without the hassle of C++.

p

I used it 3-4 years ago for a small project, even then it was almost mature.

o

You might want to see the discussion about Swing vs. Qt URL_http://stackoverflow.com/questions/422956/java-swing-or-java-qt [here] .

o

My personal opinion: Go for Swing together with the NetBeans platform.

o

If you need advanced components (more than NetBeans offers) you can easily integrate SwingX without problems (or JGoodies) as the NetBeans platform is completely based on Swing.

o

I would not start a large desktop application (or one that is going to be large) without a good platform that is build upon the underlying UI framework.

p

The other option is SWT together with the Eclipse RCP, but it's harder (though not impossible) to integrate "pure" Swing components into such an application.

n

The learning curve is a bit steep for the NetBeans platform (although I guess that's true for Eclipse as well) but there are some good books around which I would highly recommend.

p

Note that SwingX is components (AFAIU) that are extensions or compositions of existing Swing components.

o

JGoodies OTOH is about PLAFs and layouts.

o

But as you said, either will integrate seamlessly with Swing.

o

+1 Base your development on Swing.

o

Swing is built on top of AWT and includes light-weight components that look and behave the same on all platforms, so you never should use AWT components directly.

p