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/r/pics/comments/7p99z9/all_women_please_stop_wearing_these_they_look/
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"Listen, I also hate them (amongst other things e.g. chokers) but I won't, straight up, say to all women to stop wearing them.\n\nIf they want to wear them, let them.",
"Well, to be fair, Nicole Richie is wearing normal sized shades. She just has a really small head.\n",
"she is also unattractive. so the glasses may help there.\n",
"2005 called, they want this hot take back. ",
"Women don’t care what you think ",
"👽 ",
"Yes, all women will stop wearing them because you said so. ",
"> let them.\n\nexcuse me? do women need your permission to wear them?",
"[Someone disagrees](https://i.imgur.com/g5wRw.jpg).",
"Let’s not jump on the semantics of what he’s saying when the core message he seems to be trying to get across - people should wear what they like and not be judgmental wankers about what others want to wear - is positive. ",
"All women/op. Please stop telling women what to wear",
"That's like your opinion, man.",
"They cover and protect more of your face you doofus",
"> semantics of what he’s saying\n\nexcuse me, did you just assume this person's gender?",
"Good lord",
"Did YOU just assume this person's assumptions!?\n\nYou make me sick.",
"Fuck off ",
"Furthermore, these things really aren't that common anymore. It was common in the 2000s and I agree they look terrible, but there's no use in getting mad about it.",
"Are you using dial up and that's why it took 10 years to upload these decade old pictures? Will you be complaining about bellbottoms next?",
"says the loner",
"Yeah it’s called “contextual clues.” Were this person a woman they would have likely said “all OTHER women.”\n\nIf you’re being serious you’re an idiot. But if, as I suspect, you’re trolling, check out r/dankmemes or some other Reddit cesspool and practice with other high school pseudo edgelords (or edgeladies) before you try to play in public spaces like this. You’re bad at it. ",
"Ok but people have to quit giving me shit for crocs and fanny packs They look great with my cargo shorts. ",
"As long as this shit is considered acceptable anywhere on earth, I'd say go ahead and wear those large sunglasses, girls.\n",
"i guess i forgot my /s"
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All women. Please stop wearing these. They look horrible.
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/r/pics/comments/7p9f36/i_love_it_when_people_think_my_tattoo_is_a/
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[
"Woah, dude you're like my twin, only I don't have a sweet tat =/\n",
"Brother",
"I want both of you to tickle my insides simultaneously.\n",
"I'll go ahead and claim film and distribution rights.\n",
"How many roads must a man walk down?",
"Bonsoir cher francophone.\n",
"But what's the ultimate question? ",
"What happened when I tried to x-post it onto sci-fi",
"The artist drew 47 wrong",
"Well, they wouldn't be wrong, your bicep does look like an American Football. ",
"It’s your IQ."
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I love it when people think my tattoo is a football number
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/r/pics/comments/7p9jtu/reddit_meet_tree_kangaroo_a_native_of_papua_new/
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[
"He looks chill as fuc. ",
"The zen is with it.",
"fat shit",
"\"No - wait! Not yet! Sun's in ma eyes!\"",
"These fat fuckers eat sweet bananas and chill in trees all day."
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Reddit, meet tree kangaroo, a native of Papua New Guinea.
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/r/pics/comments/7p9kg6/very_impressive_street_art_lost_for_words_xpost/
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"This hurts my brain.\n\n--ZincHead, from a highly rated thought a previous time this link showed up\n",
"This bot is going to shit karma\n",
"Took me a solid 25 seconds to see FOR.",
"It’s so impressive I’m , lost for words.",
"I had to read the title to get it.",
"This is freaking trippy",
"And here I thought it said best to worst",
"You still managed to find seven of them. ",
"I wish it said, \"loss for words.\"",
"Anyone seeking more info might also check here:\n\ntitle | points | age | /r/ | comnts\n:--|:--|:--|:--|:--\n[Lost For Words \\(x-post /r/graffiti\\)](http://www.reddit.com/r/Design/comments/5mql1c/lost_for_words_xpost_rgraffiti/) | 1102 | 1^yr | Design | 35\n[Lost For Words](http://www.reddit.com/r/Graffiti/comments/54qhbc/lost_for_words/) | 1469 | 1^yr | Graffiti | 27\n[Lost For Words...](http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/3q19h5/lost_for_words/) | 39 | 2^yrs | pics | 2\n[Loss for Words \\[x-post /r/pics\\]](http://www.reddit.com/r/illusionporn/comments/35j9v3/loss_for_words_xpost_rpics/) | 495 | 2^yrs | illusionporn | 22\n[Lost For Words \\[Graffiti\\]](http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/35i741/lost_for_words_graffiti/) | 4275 | 2^yrs | pics | 564\n[very impressive street art - 'Lost for Words' \\[x-post from r/grafitti\\]](http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/21qilf/very_impressive_street_art_lost_for_words_xpost/) | 2823 | 3^yrs | pics | 325\n[Lost for words \\(x-post /r/graffiti\\)](http://www.reddit.com/r/typography/comments/1z78x5/lost_for_words_xpost_rgraffiti/) | 273 | 3^yrs | typography | 17\n[Lost For Words \\(x-post /r/graffiti\\)](http://www.reddit.com/r/Design/comments/1z6yko/lost_for_words_xpost_rgraffiti/) | 1281 | 3^yrs | Design | 54\n[Lost for words \\[pic\\]](http://www.reddit.com/r/woahdude/comments/1z5m4q/lost_for_words_pic/) | 3284 | 3^yrs | woahdude | 125\n[Lost For Words](http://www.reddit.com/r/Graffiti/comments/1z546o/lost_for_words/) | 1534 | 3^yrs | Graffiti | 48\n\n*[Source: karmadecay](http://karmadecay.com/r/pics/comments/7p9kg6/very_impressive_street_art_lost_for_words_xpost/)*"
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very impressive street art - 'Lost for Words' [x-post from r/grafitti]
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/r/pics/comments/7p9lj2/using_geometry_to_bend_light/
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[
"And good lighting",
"Or the triangle is an optical illusion",
"I can see the space in your \"Triangle\"",
"Big space in the middle",
"Certainly a possibility..... Or magic",
"Just a ceiling fan actually.",
"I like magic. Let's go with magic"
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Using geometry to bend light
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/r/pics/comments/7p9m1v/paper_cutting_art/
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"Honestly that's just damn good!",
"And complex too",
"Mind = Blown ",
"Very nice"
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Paper Cutting Art
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/r/pics/comments/7p9m73/who_said_freelancing_is_easy/
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[
"Freelance what?",
"Design ;)",
"Did somebody say that?",
"This is what I’m talking about 🧔🏻👦🏻\nBut freelancers enjoy the a lot of things other people can’t enjoy 😉 "
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Who said freelancing is easy?
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/r/pics/comments/7p9mbx/be_foo_ma_et/
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"I've never tried ice cream drugs before. Feeling adventurous. ",
"Thai main dish. Delicious.",
"Jesus Christ, open your eyes people, it’s a trap! \nNo legitimate, half-decent ice cream drug store has only **half** the fence covered in barbed wire; clearly baiting people. ",
"You want to wait for the ice cream drug truck that comes around in the afternoon. They have the good stuff. "
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Be Foo Ma Et
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/r/pics/comments/7p9n1j/photo_of_jeff_bezos_in_1999_think_about_this_the/
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[
"He was a billionaire \"[likely several times over](https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/27/billionaire-jeff-bezos-what-amazon-was-like-in-1999.html)\" in 1999.\n\nNot saying he didn't have to work hard to make Amazon what it is today, but he wasn't starting from scratch.",
"I don't have to think about this picture.\n\n\nI just look at my \"**WWJBD**\" tattoo and I am inspired.",
"AP: After the office burnt down due to Jeff's blatant disregard for the limits of surge protector extension sets, he used the insurance money to kick Amazon into fifth gear",
"What Would Justin Bieber Do",
"He still has that desk in a storage facility",
"Josh Broland",
"Also a Princeton grad who worked for several companies on Wall Street. Pretty sure the guy wasn't hurting. ",
"Jason Borne",
"Complete cuck",
"Jack Black. ",
"I really need to get my own office...",
"Johann Bach ",
"Earning billions while paying people the minimum and making them working in awful conditions is not *that* great but yes.\n\nEdit: aweful -> awful",
"Respect! ",
"Aweful ",
"rich as fuck and still fucking over his employees",
"Nobody's forced to work there\n\n[Edit](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/279/386/6aa.jpg)",
"Goddammit if a billionaire can do it I sure as heck can too.",
"But how Bezos would be able to do something \"great\" then ?",
"Joe Biden",
"He was already rich as fuck when this picture was taken, he just liked the look of a janky-ass office.",
"Jesus Christ its Jason Bourne!",
"The worest",
"just one company. He worked for D.E. Shaw as an quant trader for a few years before leaving NY, moving to Seattle and starting Amazon. Just saying.",
"He's worth 100 billion dollars and more. He owns the Washington Post, Blue Origin. The company he started, Amazon, is one of the most valuable organizations to ever exist on planet earth. Just from his mind and hard work. That's accomplishing something great IMO",
"But look at that sign on the wall. Look at all that basic furniture. Explain that you jerkstore cowboy.",
"Pretty sure in an interview he stated that he kept this stuff like the desk because it reminded of what was actually important... the work.. no the surroundings.",
"Joe Bogan",
"Angry that he's actually a billionaire unlike that trump fella?",
"It was, but not anymore. ",
"I think he did the opposite of whatever Elon Musk did to get his hair back",
"Jesus 🅱️hrist",
"Keep in mind that there were thousands of guys with a dream sitting behind cheap desks, and about 20 of them made good.",
"John Belushi",
"people are forced to work to live. If all jobs pay shit, they are forced to work for shit. ",
"Hold,your google searches if you dont know who he is. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos\nFounder of Amazon",
"Now that's him, Bill, and Elon whose hairline has been at least partially restored. (Out of pure respect, obviously)",
"They can always work somewhere else if they don't like Amazon. It's a free market. ",
"Other people's hard work. He ain't killing himself ruining around those warehouses. Fuck Jeff Bezos and all you bootlickers clamouring to suck his cock. Just fuck right off.",
"John Brown",
"You didnt read the rest. If everyone pays shit then there is no one else to work for. \nThe free market is a lie and has never existed. ",
"called capitalism bruv. Who do you think pays those people?",
"That is true. ",
"Sadly things like minimum wage exist.",
">Fuck right off",
"Fuck this guy and everything he stands for. The guy is the epitamy of greed. Just came here to say that. Don't care bout downvotes",
"You are correct and a logical thinker. Get out of here.",
"James Bond",
"\"We have to kill him once again. This time around, it'll be different.\"",
"Yeah let me just sign a contract with the CIA and I'll get back to you when they make me king like they did Bezos.",
"It's amazing that people stand up for these guys because they see a success story and the \"American Dream\" that they too want to achieve. And yes, while he may have worked hard and is not necessarily \"evil\", but a lot of these guys are the greediest mofos on the planet. We all live and work on the same planet, we're all just trying to get through life. These mother fuckers get their first million and what do they want? MORE. MORE. MORE.\n\nAnd it doesn't stop. And it's getting progressively work. Because everyone is America is unhappy because we're told to have MORE and MORE and MORE. \n\nLike what the fuck can't you do with several billion that you can't with millions? What the fuck do you possibly want to attain in life?\n\n\"LET'S START OUR OWN SPACE PROGRAM, DAD!\"\n\n- Lewis Black",
"what they mean when they tell you to \"pull yourself up by your bootstraps\"\n",
"That's a door desk. They love them and still use them to this day. Currently writing this from one in an Amazon FC right now. ",
"Explain hairstyle. Ya- that. ",
"reddit was better before sarcasm ",
"Pretty sure Jeff Bezos has never referred to anything, ever, as “janky”",
"door desk? How can something be a door and a desk? Explain that you jerkstore cowboy.",
"How do you know these things?",
"Doctors make good money. Truck drivers make good money. Electricians make good money. Police officers make decent money. Any more excuses? ",
"There is a name for this, can't remember though.",
"Do tors make good money ey after a decade of college and resident y and another decade of paying off 100k of student loans\n\nTruck drivers for the most part get paid on load not hourly and have been squeeze d by Walmart and other large retailers and distribution center (Amazon being one)\n\nElectricians make good money ey if they are Union and can find a union job. The majority of the market is driven lower by imigrants willing to take less pay and employers willing to exploit them.\n\nCops flat out do not make good money.\n\n",
"I'm loving that you're calling everyone \"jerkstore cowboy.\" Explain that you jerkstore cowboy.",
"Probably because “janky” is only part of the word, it’s “janky-ass”.",
"One day, you too can become Lex Luthor. ",
"He mastered unregulated capitalism.",
"Your statement doesnt mean anything. ",
"I have no idea what a jerkstore cowboy is but I know I don't want to be one. Ya jerkstore cowboy",
"This is from 60 mins segment.",
"Because if a billionaire sitting behind a cheap desk can start a company, then despite nine million other people who sat behind cheap desks failing to get anywhere, the odds are surely in my favor!",
"Really?",
"Quit your bullshit.\n\nI come from communist Poland and immigrated to America. For you to say something as pathetic as that just illustrates how little you truly know.",
"Jon Bernthal",
"Survival bias.",
"No, there was always sarcasm. But it never helps.",
"Source?",
"Show me your model",
"Capitalism has been the most effective method of reducing poverty",
"Jeb Bush",
"How many jobs is he paying for?",
"[Jon Bovi](https://i.imgur.com/h7EWAjm.jpg)",
"Uneducated people see only money as the sole motivation of starting a company. ",
"They still love those door desks.",
"Confirmation bias.",
"The company that he created and built up over years and years. Most of his money is in stocks and assets and investments, not liquid. ",
"*error* ",
"One guy founding a company that not only employs 500,000 people but reduces the prices of millions of consumer products through innovation and technological advancement reduces poverty.",
"Here's the thing: When people are greedy in capitalism, everyone benefits. Bezos having $100 billion doesn't affect me negatively. His company improves my life and makes me more well off.\n\n",
"Bezos was already worth billions before he started Amazon. If he was limited to $100 million then what would be the incentive for him to throw away years of his life building the company? There isn't any and Amazon wouldn't be what it is today.",
"By providing jobs he is reducing poverty. Also his 100B is based on the market value of the company not what he has in the bank. ",
"Its a recycled door that has been turned into a desk. Every single Amazon employee has to work on one.",
">If society figured out some other way to keep score,\n\nCool, let me know when you figure out what that is",
"I believe you since you are both a doctor and a professor.",
"That explains the big table my Flex guy was carrying around. ",
"You can easily get a different desk if you want",
"I don’t know man. How can you say everyone benefits, but base that only on how Amazon improves your own life? What about all the employees that are treated like shit there or the smaller companies that go out of business because they can’t compete due to their shipping monopoly? How are companies like Comcast and Verizon benefiting anyone when they use their money to influence politicians to pass laws that literally make any competition impossible so they can get away with charging more and offering less? There’s a lot that actually is good about capitalism, but greed is not beneficial to everyone in the slightest.",
"> Amazon's success didn't exactly depend on bezos. Bezos didn't do anything special or unique.\n\n[Wrong](https://apievangelist.com/2012/01/12/the-secret-to-amazons-success-internal-apis/).",
"Evolution. Natural selection. ",
"The employees earn a fair wage and whatever benefits, else they can always choose to work somewhere else.\n\nConsumers prefer Amazon's services and products, so smaller companies that can't compete will fold. The market has decided. That's how capitalism works - compete or perish. That's what forces companies to innovate and try to offer the best service they can. Consumers win because their goods are cheaper, they have more spare money, they can spend it on other stuff and create more jobs.\n\nNet neutrality is a special case that requires government intervention. Greed is generally good because that's what drives capitalism. Everyone benefits, in some way, even if one day they're laid off for whatever reason. ",
"bad bot",
"Do they also have desk doors?",
"Supposedly his office was in what is now Elysian Bar in the chromer building. 1517 2nd Ave Seattle is that true ",
"Jerkstore Cowboyism",
"And a son so you know he's got all the hip lingo",
"Nah. I bought my first “online Xmas” in 1999, all from Amazon. They’d already turned from “earth’s biggest bookstore” to other stuff as well.\n\n1999 wasn’t that long ago. ",
"Jason Bateman ",
"If you think “everyone” benefits, you’re ignoring the millions living in poverty in wealthy nations. \n\nCapitalism makes wealthy people richer. It only helps common people as a means to that end. As more automation takes more jobs, it will become more apparent, but it has always been the case. ",
"Capitalism is why the poverty in wealthy nations is nothing like the poverty in the third world or in former communist countries. Capitalism makes everyone richer. Automation has been taking jobs since the very first tools were ever created. Automation is why everyone in America can afford computers, cars, appliances, and everything else in life. Everything would be much more expensive without it. Automation creates a lot more jobs than it destroys by allowing consumers to save more money and by making more industries economically viable. That's what it has always done, that's what it will always do.",
"Reading your comments in this thread. It's like you just finished studying for a macro-econ 101 exam, but are completely ignorant of everything that happened in the global economy over the past 20 years.\n\nThe average American's earnings and net worth has basically remain unchanged, in real terms, since the early 1980s. Meanwhile the very wealthiest Americans have grown wealthier by orders of magnitude. That is not a recipe for societal stability.",
"Cop here: I made decent money relative to cost of living in my area, considering my job requirements and requisite education. \"Good\" is obviously subjective, but I can support my family's monthly expenses and have money left over to save some and have some for leisure. ",
"Well duh, that's how every new company starts. That's why starting a business is a big risk. Understanding the market and making sound business decisions is what separates Amazon from companies whose names I can't think of because they aren't successful. ",
"This is bullshit. ",
"Traditionally it has worked like that and has helped innovate and drive competition, but these companies are becoming so wealthy and powerful that this isn’t reality anymore. Promoting competition is a wonderful thing, but what happens when competition isn’t even possible anymore? Once a company is so rich and powerful that they can influence laws that keep them in control of their market, the motivation for innovation and best service is no longer there. Then it is no longer consumer preference because we have no other choice. Look at United Airlines, look at Ticket Master, Comcast, EA, Time Warner, BoA, drug companies, gas companies. People aren’t choosing them because they offer the best service...which is quite the opposite. They are choosing them because they have no other option. Greed was never interested in benefiting consumers, and when it doesn’t have to anymore to keep growing, it has become a problem.",
">United Airlines\n\nWe have plenty of choices for airlines lol. Airline's aren't even \"wealthy\". Aerospace has always been extremely unprofitable. And you know what's limiting choice? The government prevents foreign airlines from serving domestic routes. \n\n>Ticket Master, Comcast, EA, Time Warner, BoA, drug companies, gas companies\n\nI have never used Ticket Master, for telecom and health care sure it's pretty crappy but in the case of Health care that's a heavily regulated industry. As for gas... there's always like 3 gas stations clustered around, that's plenty of choice. \n\n",
"Amazon was originally my idea.",
"oh you know Jeff??? ",
"My point wasn’t to see how much each industry bothered you personally, it was to show a pattern of what eliminating competition does to companies. When a company has control of an industry, the best interests of the consumer are no longer important. What you see instead is raised prices, lower wages, worse products/services, tax evasion, and lack of innovation. I’m not trying to push any political agenda, and I’m not trying to say capitalism is bad or advocate for socialism. I don’t know the best solution. But we’re reaching a breaking point where the free market is becoming controlled by increasingly consolidating industries that have no interest in looking out for the consumer. We can’t be naive in thinking that because a system has worked well so far that means it is forever sustainable when the factors that made it work are being eliminated.",
"As somebody who starts companies for a living, most people who start businesses are also complete morons, or just give up too easily. \n\nIf you love what you do, know how to do it, and have an ounce of business knowledge, it’s actually not that hard to be successful. Billionaire? Maybe not. But successful nonetheless. ",
"Not sure what you’re getting at. I’m stating an observation from something I do every day. \n\nGranted success really is in the eye of the beholder. ",
"Not sure where the unnecessary hostility is coming from. \n\nJust because the odds are stacked against you doesn’t mean you shouldn’t do it. I mean unless it isn’t something you want to do.",
"Communist Poland? What are you smoking",
"Source what exactly? His comment being meaningless? ",
"I dont really need to show you anything. Look at literally anything calling itself a \"free market.\" Itll be completely controlled by millionaires who are trying to kill the competition. ",
"Hoarding money like a psycopath (essentially stealing most of the labor your employees) and trying to monopolize markets is not a \"great thing\".\n\nThe complete opposite. Instead think of what he could have done to revolutionize our current system by making Amazon a co-op like Mondragon.",
"Bezos is the head of a company that treats it's employees like cogs in a machine, easily replaced and all the same.\n\nHe isn't the one driving the truck, checking returns, sending out orders or working overtime to make projected numbers.\n\nThis post is basically saying that \"You can do anything as long as you step on people\"\n\nFuck that shit. ",
"From the interview that goes with the picture you \"jerkstore cowboy\" (wtf is that anyway?)...\"Jeff Bezos has cities across the United States all but pleading to be the location of Amazon's second headquarters. But a few decades back, Amazon's offices in Seattle were less than desirable, to say the least.\n\nThat's according to the profile CBS' Bob Simon did of Bezos in 1999 for \"60 Minutes.\" Tech blog GeekWire recently resurfaced the 13-minute profile as Bezos' net worth shot past $100 billion in the wake of a pop in the Amazon stock price on Black Friday.\n\nWhen Simon got upstairs, he was surprised — yet again — by the banality of the office, including the badly stained carpet and Bezos' desk, made out of a door propped up on two-by-fours.\n\nEven in 1999, Bezos was likely a billionaire several times over. (Simon asked Bezos later in the segment about being worth $9 billion to $10 billion dollars — a figure which Bezos neither confirmed nor denied.) So why the makeshift workspace?\n\n\"It's a symbol of spending money on things that matter to customers and not spending money on things that don't,\" says Bezos, who at the time was wearing a blue dress shirt and khakis and drove a Honda.:\n",
"I believe he's just the son of a professor, actually. ",
"Jeff Who?",
"> These mother fuckers get their first million and what do they want? MORE. MORE. MORE.\n\nThese mother fuckers get their hundred thousand and what do they want? MORE. MORE. MORE.\n\nThese mother fuckers get their ten thousand and what do they want? MORE. MORE. MORE.\n\nThese mother fuckers get their thousand and what do they want? MORE. MORE. MORE.\netc. - vantage point and line drawing\n",
"That's the achievers spirit! ",
"Can confirm",
"This guy is calling ALL the jerkstore cowboys out on their shit!",
"Look at his office now though....",
"I was confused by what this picture was implying.\n\nAmazon bough IMDb in 1998 for $55 million. Does it sound like they had a problem with money by 1999?",
"Jeff Who?",
"Hes trying for a meme",
"And it fucking worked ya jerkstore cowboy.",
"Add in nascar/ophra and beer then the masses will do as they are told. They've been well trained in government schools.....",
"This. Americans are just incredibly spoiled. I know it because I'm one of them. People like to pretend that growth has no limit and all these resources we are exploiting, which happens to be on the backs of a lot of others, that this will go in forever. No, it will collapse. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but it will in fact collapse. \n\nFor fucks sake the American dollar is a symbol of debt. That's all it is anymore.",
"I'll take a $200k/year salary as my first job out of college over working at Amazon. The children here on reddit just don't understand. You earn your paycheck. Yes doctors pay $200k in student loans, but they also make that as a starting salary. Most jobs allow you the ability to pay your student loans. If you chose a field that doesn't, that is your own fault. You still haven't proved my original point. There are tons of jobs that pay more than Amazon, it's up to the individual to go and get one. ",
"History is written by the winners.",
"Step 1 -- become a billionaire\nStep 2 -- start a company that is worth many more billions\nStep 3 -- enjoy\n\ndone!",
"My dad made me one in like 1991. Still love it.",
"Just prime now one",
"Yes it does. There are many career options in our country. The only reason an individual has for not pursuing one is their own decisions and actions. Anyone who can work at an Amazon warehouse can work as an electrician after getting the necessary training. Stop making excuses and make your life better instead of whining about how poorly Amazon treats you. ",
"I know what a jerk, a store, and a cowboy are. I don't know what a jerkstore cowboy is.",
"Nah I agree and upvoted ya. Bezos can go fuck himself.",
"Yeah but the value used there was so volatile at the time, he could have been considered both a multi billionaire and a guy who ruined his life with debt in a company that was losing money by the tens of thousands every day.",
"Capitalism is responsible for the poverty in third world nations, this is so foolish. Third world countries are capitalist too you dumbass.",
"Yes, communist Poland... I am old. The hell you mean what am I smoking?",
"Jerkstore cowBoy.",
"So be rich with disposable capital and be the first to create something that hasn't been created yet. So easy anyone can do it.",
"Jeff Bezos in 1999. Think about this the next time this horse shit gets reposted.",
"Weird that photo doesn't show the $300,000 his parents handed him to help start Amazon.",
"Also exploits the size of his company to make cities race to the bottom trying to get Amazon to move to their city. Cities are literally proposing that Amazon get control over how tax dollars are spent or giving the company billions in subsidies. ",
"He donated what was left to Elon. ",
"> jerkstore cowboy\n\ngoing out on a limb here, as a former Okie, and guessing this maybe be an attendant at a beef jerky store? ^^idk ^^c:",
"Tomorrow on /r/outoftheloop. \n\nWhat's a jerkstore cowboy? ",
"Training costs money + time. Not everyone has either. It's not so simple. \n\nExample: A&P license, allows you to work on airplanes. Almost every school that I know of requires about 2 years of classes + 3 tests FAA mandated tests you must pass (the tests are paid for separately from schooling too as that $ goes right to the local FSDO and proctor's, not the school). Those classes are normally ~6 hours a day, not something you can just fit in between a work schedule. \n\nAnd then you still need to buy your own tools in most places (easily several thousand $$$, good tools ain't cheap). ",
"Good! The cops I know in socal have to live way out of there precinct because of cost. We had a fundraiser in my town to buy bulletproof vests. I am of the thinking that if you are responsible for saving lives easier or putting yourself in harm's way to benefit society you should be well compincated",
"Yea I agree. Training takes time and money, and it's up to the individual to arrange their schedule to allow them to use their time for training, and also borrow money for the training. This isn't hard. Most everyone has the same opportunity to better themselves, it's up to the individual to put the effort into capitalizing on their opportunity. ",
"> There are tons of jobs that pay more than Amazon\n\nBut a business like Amazon is based on low salary and poor working conditions. A lot of companies can't run without it.\n\nEverybody can't be a doctor. The whole system needs low paycheck and cheap labour to succeed.\n\nSaying that it's your own choice and that everybody can earn $200k/year is totally wrong and shows that you haven't any clue about what you are talking about.\n\nIf everybody earn that much, the whole system would collapse.\n\nI'm pretty sure you are the first to blame poor workers, but you are the first to buy cheap shit from Amazon.",
"So you are ok with people working for nearly nothing ?\n\nCan you tell us what should be the point and what it would bring to the society and the whole system ?",
"No, not at all. I was just proving that there are government regulations around how workers are paid and that it isn't a completely free market by any means. \n\nI'm shocked that the minimum wage is so low to be honest.",
"Oh sorry, I think your comment above has been misinterpreted.",
"How do they get the training? Is it free? Is it offered everywhere? \nDo you have any statistics or are you just making things up?",
"you arent that old. Unless you're suggesting you're a bot and are ageless. ",
"No, you borrow money to pay for the training.... ",
"That's not what I said, you're just being obtuse. Everyone has the OPPORTUNITY to join a field of their choice. And yes, I fully understand that a large portion of our economy relies on low paying unskilled labor. But again, this doesn't discount the fact that people working those jobs are choosing not to pursue training that would allow them to get a better job. You are responsible for your own decisions. ",
"But look at all those pixels! So humbling...",
"The time thing is always adjustable, I agree with that. Despite what some people claim about \"not having the time to do ----\", they can always make time for something important to them. \n\nHowever the money aspect isn't so easy. Someone I know has a bad credit score and a repo'd car, which makes borrowing money almost impossible. I've even tried to co-sign for a $4k vehicle loan with them, and we were still denied. I've financed and paid off loans for greater amounts, but having a repossession on their credit history pretty much killed any chances for them. After trying a half-dozen times through different companies, they've finally been approved for a secured credit card. \n\nIt's ridiculous how difficult borrowing money is with a tarnished credit history. ",
"It is known sociopaths and psychopaths, people who have no problem disregarding others can get pretty high up. Not because they are \"evil\", they are just wired differently. So no wonder people like Bezos, Jobs, Gates etc. can get pretty high up there. "
] | 172 |
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Photo of Jeff Bezos in 1999. Think about this the next time you think you can't do something great.
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/r/pics/comments/7p9o4b/north_korea_and_south_korea_agree_on/
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"I hope USA doesn't have to withdraw. These athletes work their whole lives for the oppurtunity to compete, just to have some egomaniacal buffoon tell them they can't",
"I feel Donny's gonna stink things up.",
"Man, that big button tweet really works.",
"/u/TooShiftyForYou, thank you for your submission! Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule IV - Title violates title guidelines.\n\nYour title must directly relate to the event in the picture. \n\nYou can read the full information about our title guidelines at /r/pics/w/titles\n\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/TooShiftyForYou&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7p9o4b/north_korea_and_south_korea_agree_on/?context=10\\))"
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North Korea and South Korea agree on participating in 2018 Winter Olympics and "Relieving military tensions"
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/r/pics/comments/7p9oj7/jimi_hendrix_in_his_kitchen_circa_1969/
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[
"My dream is to be so cool that me making pop tarts is a sick photo.",
"That is a damn nice suit.",
"Do you think he can cook as well as he plays?",
"You may be cool, but you will never be Jimi Hendrix doing *anything* cool.",
"The juxtaposition between a normal, mundane kitchen and a wild, untamed genius is striking. A very stable genius.",
"Got the munchies.",
"Who keeps plates and glasses under the sink??",
"It's the fuzzy green suit that pulls it together.",
"You boil your pop tarts too?",
"My guess is no. ",
"[Here](https://imgur.com/a/ySWKD) are a few more pictures of this. Credit to the photojournalist Petra Niemeier.\n\nThis [was taken](https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/tag/kathy-etchingham/) at [34 Montagu Square, in Marylebone, London](https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5186604,-0.1598783,3a,75y,279.32h,108.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srC-wvZSbTKDKsYLe58uu8w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DrC-wvZSbTKDKsYLe58uu8w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D341.2172%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656). Ringo Starr leased the ground-floor and basement apartment in the mid-1960s, and Paul McCartney created several Beatles demos there in 1965, including “I’m Looking Through You” from the album Revolver.\n\nHendrix sublet it from Ringo beginning in December 1966. He lived with his girlfriend, Kathy Etchingham, and also with his manager, Chas Chandler, and his girlfriend, Lotta Null. The monthly rent was £30.\n\nBut Ringo [evicted](http://mashable.com/2015/04/16/jimi-hendrix-34-montagu-square/#O_RSxRiWXiqM) Hendrix for throwing whitewash over the walls while on an acid trip.\n\nLater, John Lennon, rented the apartment for three months in the latter half of 1968 with Yoko Ono. The cover photograph of their album Two Virgins was taken at the address.\n\n",
"Green?! Holy hell I have to get my eyes checked. I thought it was blue.",
"Oh not this again...",
"He was 5'11\"",
"bout to make the funkiest omelette you ever tasted",
"gotta get rid of that flavor somehow ",
"Acid is ready kids. ",
"Jimi likes his pot.",
"No reason to get excited....",
"Very interesting. Thanks for the additional background on the photo!",
"It's blue. Don't worry. ",
"Feaux wood next to hardwood...I expect nothing less from hippies...",
"r/OldSchoolCool",
"Most definitely green.",
"I read that as \"Jim Henson\" at first, clicked the link as was confused for a moment. >.>",
"\"Hey Joe, where you goin' with that bun in your hand?\"",
"a visionary",
"I'm fairly certain the kitchenette was never used by Hendrix other than for this photo op. ",
"I remember the crayon in the big box that color. It was definitely blue/green. Its both!",
"Well yeah, these days.",
"The British... ",
"‘Scuse me while I cook this rice.",
"Let me sleep all night in your soul kitchen \n\nWarm my mind near your gentle stove ",
"Damn he was a pimp ",
"I'm thinking he's making tea.",
"> But Ringo evicted Hendrix for throwing whitewash over the walls while on an acid trip.\n\nThose raw wood panels would look better with some paint. I'm with Jimmi on this. ",
"Is he smoking a doobie?",
"It's \"faux\", although if Jimi wants it to be \"feaux\" I'm good with that.",
"Jimi dropping cigarette ashes in the stew wins the price.",
"Looks like a young Barrack Obama with crazy hair. Maybe he's a time traveler, not surprising what with him wearing that suit all the time. ",
"I'll bet he's cooking up some Voodoo Chile.",
"Now I want to cook in a crushed velvet suit!"
] | 42 |
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Jimi Hendrix in his kitchen, circa 1969
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/r/pics/comments/7p9p8q/this_is_what_i_would_call_a_smart_parking/
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[
"entrance around back",
"Would make it tougher for the other two people to get out of their spots, though.",
"Was going to be my post.",
"Yeah it's smart until you're paying for T-Bone damage caused by not leaving enough space for either of the two adjacent cars to leave without hitting your car. ",
"Not so smart now!",
"If it fits it sits"
] | 6 |
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This is what I would call a Smart parking
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/r/pics/comments/7p9pxu/this_is_how_you_rebuild_bridges_the_iraqi_way/
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[
"That is a temporary Bridge",
"This took almost a year to build, i can’t see them actually fixing it. ",
"Considering that i live there, this is corruption at it finest. ",
"It doesn't look like they're even done putting that together yet",
"This is why our government is a joke. But hey, at least no ISIS now.",
"American money?",
"That is a bailey bridge, you rent them. Quit making the payment and they remove the bridge.",
"I don't know what you mean by that.. looks like a rather lengthy span. Going to take a lot longer to build a permanent structure than a year"
] | 8 |
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This is how you rebuild bridges the Iraqi way.
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/r/pics/comments/7p9q9r/6_year_old_boy_asks_whats_that_mommy/
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"I was at Union Station in Toronto. A young boy around 6 years old walked by these pay phones and said “what’s that mommy?”",
"Ok, what’s weird about that?",
"I call them unicorns."
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6 year old boy asks “what’s that mommy”
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/r/pics/comments/7p9rid/strasbourg_france/
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[
"Little town, it's a quiet village...",
"If you're in the rain shadow of the Vosges mountains (like Colmar), you're in one of the driest sunniest places in France. Arguably the best winter weather---not damp and dreary like most of Western Europe.\n\nBut this part of the Rhine valley (Alsatian Plain) also has a good bit of winter fog.",
"The cathedral here is so amazing.",
"Was there this past September. The cathedral was beautiful and a highlight of our visit.",
"Yeah but.... where's the cancer patient? /s",
"[Here](https://i.imgur.com/boZqTWS.jpg) is a higher quality version of this image. [Here](https://www.scapenature.com/fullscreen-page/comp-j1kyv4gh/cd73e9bf-ecf9-4393-80d1-2f2ae131e9bd/2/%3Fi%3D2%26p%3Dps633%26s%3Dstyle-jaa9hgyz) is the source. Credit to the photographers, [Álvaro and Jose Manuel ](https://www.scapenature.com/) who provided the following caption:\n\n> This is one of the most special photos for me. We took it in Strasbourg in a rough day. We were in such a rush that we thought we were not gonna make it. \n\n> Even though, we were gifted with a magical sunset, magical reflection and magical light. What else can you ask for when you are seeking for that light and you can barely find it?\n\n> We were amazed for that sensation. Amazed for that overwhelming moment that not often happens. We were... photographers who found their perfect light.",
"Ev'ry day, like the one before...",
"Thanks for the service you provide. It's appreciated.",
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"I took a photo from the same spot a few years ago when I started photography! Without that nice sunset but a grey sky...\n\nhttps://imgur.com/9nrfu2c",
"Yeah, it really is. Climbing up the spiral staircase that was on the outside of the building itself was something else. Was kinda weird tho when I went there, there were French soldiers with FAMAS’s all around the outside of the cathedral. ",
"Well, I like yours more. More accurate to French/German weather haha",
"I was just in Strasbourg for Christmas! Such a beautiful town. \n\n[Here is a picture looking directly at the white building on the left](https://i.imgur.com/MKRDAeh.jpg)\n\nWe stayed in an AirBnB just down the street from here that was similarily picturesque\n\n[Ours was the one with the green shutters.](https://i.imgur.com/hfIc5xu.jpg) \n\n[We stayed on the bottom floor](https://i.imgur.com/cissa8S.jpg) looking out [over the water](https://i.imgur.com/GtJW1Ej.jpg)\n\n[The Christmas market](https://i.imgur.com/OeOdjDK.jpg) didn't have as many unique things for sale as we hoped, so we didn't do that much shopping. The were still fun to walk through though and [we enjoyed the traditional street food](https://i.imgur.com/W1xI93O.jpg) sold at the booths and the Vin Chaud. \n\n[The Cathedral](https://i.imgur.com/2qmy79a.jpg) in the center of town [was stunning](https://i.imgur.com/YZNvloh.jpg). \n\n[It was an amazing place to spend Christmas.](https://i.imgur.com/4sY9kIu.jpg) ",
"Extremly beautiful city, I was docked there 2 weeks ago. These old houses look incredible in person. \n\nThis picture, beautiful as it is, doesn't do the city justice.",
"Don't tell Kaiser Wilhelm II.",
"I want to know who that man/woman swathed in a bright red robe, is. They're at the end of the second balcony in the building to the right. What is he/she doing? ",
"\"It was a fun place\"",
"These are some amazing pictures! Thank you for sharing them. How was the little green shuttered house you stayed in? Was it cold at all..especially by the water? I always wondered what it would be like to sleep in such an old building.",
"Strasbourg ****Deutschland",
"For whatever reason it reminds me of Shivering Isles. ",
"sign me the fuck up thatched roof and all.",
"Strasbourg, Alsace, Bas-Rhin, which is in France.\n\nSource : I used to live near Strasbourg, where this picture have been taken..",
"This looks like a town you'd see in a Witcher game. ",
"Reminds me a lot like the 1991 movie _Beauty and the Beast_",
"Need for Speed, anyone? Was it High Stakes?",
"Beautiful Shot\n",
"It’s definitely France.",
"Nah mate. Treaty of Versailles never happened. Elsaß-Lothringen is still German territory, as it should be.",
"Nah, treaty of Versailles never happened.",
"Oh, a comical one ..",
"If you liked that cathedral. Go to Cologne over Christmas.\n\nMy favourite place in Germany.",
"Gott mit uns, Frankreich.",
"Cologne has a lot more ugly spots as well though. \n \nI do highly recommend chillin by the river, on the right side down from the bridge with some beers (you can drink in public). It feels like a fairy tale. Sun setting, violin player, happy people with drinks, good icecream, kids playing in the water fountain thing.",
"> Was kinda weird tho when I went there, there were French soldiers with FAMAS’s all around the outside of the cathedral.\n\nNever know when the Germans will attempt a sneak attack.",
"\"France\"",
"Fun fact: You can distinguish sone german and fremch buildings in Strasbourg/Straßburg, becausr tue frwnch buildings often have blueish roof tiles, while german buildings have redish roof tiles",
"Thank you very much!",
"I lived there for a couple years, my favourite spots are on the west city center. I like the old rugged postwar mess :)",
"Good one for my wallpaper"
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Strasbourg, France
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/r/pics/comments/7p9rjn/malachite_is_hypnotically_beautiful/
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[
"I hear it's great for making glass weapons and armor\n",
"Or for summoning elementals.\n",
"Or checking out in your inventory.\n",
"if only i had some moonstone too...",
"Crazy... I just took a picture of a rock that's been sitting on the side of my house forever and he told me it was a piece of malachite. Then boom this post shows up on my Reddit. Very cool.",
"I hear it's [unstable](https://pre00.deviantart.net/a8e4/th/pre/f/2015/159/c/5/malachite_by_lulzyrobot-d8wk1jb.png) but has incredible hydrokinetic properties.",
"Very nice. How large is it?"
] | 7 |
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Malachite Is Hypnotically Beautiful
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/r/pics/comments/7p9t2a/i_dont_do_drugs_i_am_drugs_salvador_dalí_painting/
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[
"Metal as fuck.",
"The full quote being\n\n\"I don't do drugs. I am drugs.\" ",
"The title already has exactly that full quote?",
"I feel like this was *definitely* inspiration for that nightmare-inducing villain in FernGully",
"The actual full quote \" I don't do drugs. I am drugs...but I also do drugs.\"",
"Yeah thats not the full quote",
"the original Walter White!",
"Whoa dude we actually are drugs though. Everyone's perception consists of drugs, electricity, and meat. ",
"What are you on about?"
] | 9 |
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“I don’t do drugs. I am drugs.” Salvador Dalí painting ‘The Face of War, 1941
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/r/pics/comments/7p9unk/a_friendly_face_in_my_friends_beer/
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[
"All I can see is a Panda with a dorky haircut ",
"i see it's an upside down three-eyed monster with a big mouth. probably just got done eating a panda with a dorky haircut.",
"If you look at it backwards looks like a happy face (which is what I saw at first) but now all I see is a panda with a dorky haircut."
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A friendly face in my friend's beer
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/r/pics/comments/7pa29q/arizonas_landscape_is_just_incredible/
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[
"except for the road and the town...(just sayin'. :)",
"Haha well I agree but in this image I think the road and town show how A: massive the landscape is and B: that these incredible views aren’t necessarily out in the middle of nowhere. Trust me to the left and right is all epic wilderness. ",
":) my sad little joke. the colors are really great in your picture. i would like to see az again. ",
"That's my definition of middle of no where aka bumfuck egypt.",
"where is this?",
"Arizona",
"sorry meant where in Arizona.",
"Arizona, Arizona. Small town in Arizona.",
"Nope. \n\nhttp://cdn.onlyinyourstate.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/484630443_b26a376304_o-700x525.jpg",
"Must be Northern AZ.",
"It’s Bill Williams wildlife reserve between Parker and lake Havasu ",
"Ohh this guys good. He’s correct!",
"Yeah, 2 hours south of Grand Canyon.",
"There is a uniqueness and sort of serene beauty to vast, endless desert wasteland.\n\nJust not one I care to see for more than like 5 miles\n\n",
"I’m a girl. Lol. My mom lives there It’s pretty",
"It certainly is breathtaking. ",
"These are some ridiculously edited colors. Let’s not pretend this is what someone would see if they went there, buttmunch. ",
"Actually it’s pretty close to this during golden hour. However you’re right the image definitely looks “digital” because the drone frankly isn’t the best camera so I have to bump the saturation aggressively:/ ",
"Oops! Sorry my bad haha but you’re right it is very pretty ",
"I live here!",
"Fun fact: Arizona Highways, a magazine which features photos of Arizona landscapes, was at one point banned in the USSR for being unrealistic propaganda.",
"Nice pic! Now show us some pics of the trailer parks and illegals riding in the back of a pickup! ",
"That is actually a very fun and interesting fact! Thanks for sharing",
"Lucky! I was in lake Havasu for a month on a work project and was astounded by the surrounding landscapes. We adventured every weekend and had a blast",
"My favorite hikes are Three Dunes and Sara’s Crack, the former being especially beautiful in the late spring and the latter being more forgiving during hotter days.",
"i grew up here"
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Arizona’s landscape is just incredible
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/r/pics/comments/7pa2cq/the_shape_of_a_cat_appeared_in_my_bonfire_the/
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[
"I see a [Redd Foxx.](https://imgur.com/gallery/7GaKoKp) ",
"LMAO I thought maybe I was just drunk, but the more I looked at the picture it looked like a cat to me",
"I thought fire cat....then that made me think of warriors.....",
"See I was gonna say fire cat, but I wasn’t sure what to call it. Weirdest part is that I was just snapping a couple photos to show friends we were having a fire and this shit pops up. I thought it was crazy ",
"I don't suppose you happened to be teasing it...",
"Nah but he does look pissed lmao"
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The shape of a cat appeared in my bonfire the other day
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/r/pics/comments/7pa2pu/precision_in_watercolors_of_thierry_duval/
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[
"I almost can't believe that's a watercolour",
"F-YOU. That's a photo!",
"Photo with a watercolor filter applied",
"No, it's not photoshopped with a watercolor filter. [This was a painting made by Thierry Duval in 1957 (31 B.PS.)](https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZit3htv4qI8WSKie7-LzdrXxVwCRB4IQA8R9P1Z63V_154FcYmP48GSDSusaoZ6O5Qv48wtt-Xlpucgw-nT3RDkA9OdYO5K_1cwo5XqfSR0OESo5Cemnr3_1Eg9M8Okeen-r49p0cPHisUeQeHzIOhc7DPwxpD6xZjbjsKvb-MK0Te_1_1GEAFVTK5yr_1REoZISmxeJEjBUjWzAtWxEZHS4yIXk13-KCWEcS4xV2N854RBC1CPIqdOp-wQTuO0orzfh-PauY-tTIACtUN0JO2ms96TBziDm6G_1JrMHY2eHv_19VU8O5E-Or6wLIkQhyBk6Fd8eKKxeI1gIQYEKV-IRjB2NLQx1kgNKKg&btnG=Search%20by%20image&hl=en)",
"How the hell did he get such perfect edges?!",
"Why was this deleted?"
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Precision in watercolors of Thierry Duval
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/r/pics/comments/7pa3xg/my_friend_stumbled_upon_this_today/
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[
"Fastest papercup around",
"but you don't have any friends",
"Fuck Jerry ",
"Poor car",
"Nice car, but [this](https://i.redd.it/r0n9wppuqh801.jpg) is the best GTR paint job ever.",
"So, it's disposable?",
"No he copied it",
"Its becoming overdone now, there are 2 in my town as of recent. The aesthetic is nice, but the ricers have a new fangled saying \"Solow\" that is gaining popularity. Meh",
"\"Yeah I want a badass car but I also want everyone to know that I have no absolutely no fucking class whatsoever and it would be cool too if they could also infer that I'm a high functioning retard.\" -Owner (maybe)\n\n",
"Yes, so fuck Jerry",
"Only Need for Speed players will understand. "
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My friend stumbled upon this today.
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/r/pics/comments/7pa4c9/i_made_my_mom_this_table_for_christmas/
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[
"Nice",
"Mad skills!!",
"Very nice. ",
"Hey, it's me, your mom. I lost that table and I need another one.",
"This first thing I would think to do is use it as a really cool TV tray and eat dinner on it in style. I'm sure they'll have better use for it. Looks really cool.",
"Wow this is really pretty - love how you incorporated the heart too!",
"https://imgur.com/N34yyRt\n\nSorry",
"Those metal edges will cause many accidents. You need to curl them!",
"I can see you put your heart into it. ",
"Indeed, especially [the snag magnets under the corners about mid-thigh height](https://i.imgur.com/7AX8MWe.jpg). ",
"Is this now on Craigslist ?",
"Gona get some quality toe stubbing out of that.",
"Did you do the metal work? It's beautiful.",
"What was she before she was the table?",
"No, sorry to say, I’d only made the 1 for her. However I’ve been thinking of making a couple more. So maybe you’ll see one there soon. ",
"Yup, cut, curled, fitted and welded it all myself :) thank you ",
"Really nice, I bet she loves it.",
"Thanks, ya she does :) "
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I made my mom this table for Christmas.
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/r/pics/comments/7pa654/snowboarding_in_beaver_creek_co/
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[
"Mmmm beaver",
"Without the snow :/",
"I know... more snow coming tonight!!",
"I hope so! La Nina never makes for a good ski season"
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Snowboarding in Beaver Creek, CO ❄️
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/r/pics/comments/7paa6b/i_found_an_ice_cave_behind_a_waterfall_on_my_hike/
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[
"That’s like the most beautiful thing ever",
"Which is?",
"That looks amazing, nice photo!",
"Thanks!!",
"A beautiful icy cave?",
"If video games taught me anything, its that there is always a cave behind a waterfall.",
"Just watch out for the Cave Bear or the Dragon.",
"That’s some Skyrim shit right there. Did you search for chest?",
"Who knew I stumbled right into iron breaker mine ",
"What trail/where is this?",
"I'll take that as a yes"
] | 11 |
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I found an ice cave behind a waterfall on my hike earlier today
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/r/pics/comments/7paf3e/this_cat_with_a_beautiful_fur/
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[
"[More pics here](http://social-media.yudo.it/?g=POST/Messaggi/media/Tiger-Cat-from-bengalaThor-is-a-Bengal-cat-but-what-sets-him)",
":O it's like a cute n small tiger",
"That’s an awesome pic of your cat. Especially with its claws out like that. ",
"A beautiful fur what?",
"Toyger?",
"... ♪ ♫ The whole club was looking at her ♪ ♫",
"OMG it's a MINI murder fluff. Complete with toe fangs and laser gaze. I want to pet it so much.",
"Bengal cats are gorgeous.\n\nThough I'm more partial to the serval.\n\nOne of these days I'll get a serval or a savannah cat.",
"Aren’t these expensive kitties?",
"Fur coat. See the zipper?",
"Would make a great hat",
"Finally an honest post. Usually a normal picture like this has some sob story attached to it.",
"A serval would be quite the commitment. They need a LOT of space.\n\nSavannah cats can be difficult, too, due to their high energy, but not as difficult as a serval, anyway. \n\nThey're gorgeous cats, though.",
"I don't think they're more expensive than other purebred cats?",
"You can find more like this lil' dude over at /r/bengalcats.",
"Reminds me of a baby in a tiger print romper",
"I'd do anything this cat asks. ",
"Bengals aren't the easiest either. Mine was super smart, but oh man. \n\nBeautiful...and a bastard. Haha",
"Kitty porn. ",
"Don't Google that",
"With the fur (With the fur). The whole club was looking at her. ",
"IIRC they’re much more than the average, depending on how wild they are. ",
"It can be toyger breed",
"nah that's a tiger",
"It really depends. The facial features suggest that it's a pretty diluted Asian leopard based bengal. Probably F4 or less. It's been pretty selectively bred based on fur pattern alone. Definitely not a breeder, but still probably around $1000 or so for a kitten. Maybe a little less. Bengals like this have been popping up and replacing the larger, more direct breeds. ",
"fur is singular?",
"Servals are absolutely beautiful. Those proportions! Alas, I might have to settle for a F2- Savannah because I simply don't have the space.",
" Bengal cats have that attitude that's like \"Suck a fart out of my ass. I ate indian food for dinner.\"\n\n",
"Ridiculously photogenic cat.\n",
"And beautiful eyes too....Wow!",
"This is exactly the kind of cat I've been looking for. How do I find a cat that looks like a tiger?",
"\"Thor is here\"",
"Toight like a Toyger!",
"I think it's a Toyger",
"How many would it take to make a rug. That would be an awesome rug.",
"my 2 bengals cost 1100 and 900 so you're on the money. breeder bengals are substantially more expensive, around 3-5000.",
"The cat is crying inside.",
"Also huge ego's.. mine had such a huge ego. ",
"Zoo.",
"The cat has crippling debt",
"Khajiit pre skooma",
"I'll wager it would be \"Fill the food dish, scratch my head, then piss off.\"",
"You shouldn't get either of those. Servals and savannah cats are wild animals. [Check](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmEKWLs_sSw&list=PL00B86505EBD6BE5F&index=1) [out](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEjZiCPuvqQ&list=PL00B86505EBD6BE5F&index=4) [these](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRhsl2aVIyk&list=PL00B86505EBD6BE5F&index=11) [videos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92ao7chHllY&list=PL00B86505EBD6BE5F&index=26) [for](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFTfnDZw7vo&list=PL00B86505EBD6BE5F&index=34) [more](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4wccDWtZ-I&list=PL00B86505EBD6BE5F&index=43) [info.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw4fWv07NlU&list=PL00B86505EBD6BE5F&index=50)",
"That's a stunning looking cat\nEDIT: also, I never post on cat pics, just to make you and your stupidly awesome looking cat feel even better. I want a clone of that cat",
"One single fur please",
"I miss the bengal kitty we used to have. Unfortunately, my newborn daughter was severely allergic to her and so we gave her away. The good news is that she went to a great family who already had another male bengal and a huge house. I still miss her though. \n\n[My bengal kitty - Zoë](https://imgur.com/a/5FWIR/)",
"Supermodel of the cat world. ",
"Such a beautiful kitty. Reminds me of my kitty. \n\nhttps://imgur.com/tYCOhOh",
"this cat with a beautiful eyes",
"Had? Did it die, or did you just knock it down a peg?",
"I’m pretty sure the business behind these cats are pretty illegal and shady\n\nThanks for the upvotes!",
"He passed away a couple years ago sadly. [His name was Simba](https://i.imgur.com/bzNj3.jpg)",
"Bengal cat breeders. We paid $1200 for our female back in 2002. They aren’t cheap but they sure are beautiful and have great personalities. ",
"My bengal cost 500, pure from a breeder, but that was over a decade ago.",
"So you had a cat. ",
"Yup, had a bengal. ",
"tiger icecream ",
"[This is my F3 breeder.](https://i.imgur.com/OKBvoYz.jpg) He was $3500 as a kitten. Now he's old and faded, and just sits around doing cat stuff all day. ",
"That fur isn’t just good.\n\nIT’S GRRRRRREAT!",
"I have crippling retardation pls upvote.",
"It’s a beautiful (yeah ok I read the title of this post in an Italian accent)",
"Why do most stripey house cats have that “M” shape on their forehead? I can’t think of one I’ve seen without it. Even when I had my tuxedo cat with an all black head, her hair wrinkled into that shape. ",
"thousand yard stare and 4 little knives.\n\nbut yeah, nice fur!",
"I hate cats but this dudes awesome!! ",
"You mean the tiny tiger with normal fur?",
"Aren't those really fucking expensive?",
"We learned this 3 reposts ago",
"It's a Bengal right? Damn those eyes though. That's one good looking cat! Though I think this is a repost?",
"That's just silly",
"Would you like a schmoke and a pancake?",
"*Heart eyes*",
"Thor the bengal!! Article to the source which has bonus pictures!\n\nhttp://nedhardy.com/2016/08/29/meet-thor-majestical-bengal-cat-will-ever-lay-eyes/",
"Khajit has wares if you have coin",
"I have 2 Bengal boys, a father and son. I’m a guy who lives alone. I wasn’t always a single guy with 2 cats. I don’t know how it happened. One day I had dogs and a dating life. Now I just have an Instagram full of cats and women followers who won’t date a dude with 2 cats. ",
"Eyes 0-0",
"Cigar and a waffle?",
"She should be a model.",
"bong and a blintz?",
"Just the one fur.",
"That's no cat...",
"https://www.thedodo.com/amphtml/why-think-twice-before-buy-bengal-cat-1988316082.html\n\nThis cat is already famous",
"It's Firestar ",
"Tigger is our word, but you can say tigga.",
"Pipe and a crepe?",
"One of mine tried to fight a deer and lost. True story. \n\nEdit: just to clarify, the deer killed the cat. Neighbors saw the whole thing. He was a neurotic bastard who decided to no longer live happily with the other cat but is still missed. My advice is avoid bengals unless you really know what you’re getting into. And definitely don’t get 2 males. ",
"But which fur? There's so many!",
"I’m sorry you had to give up your kitty. She’s so beautiful, Those green eyes are amazing!",
"and a shitty fucking attitude.\n\nif you're not a stay-at-home person, don't get a fucking bengal",
"A cat? ",
"Pretty super paint job on this fella ",
"So nice seeing people who care for their animals. I feel I’m surrounded by people who don’t.",
"Pretty super paint job on this fella ",
"Repost again.",
"I think this is more like a countable/uncountable noun thing.\n\n\"I have fur\" uses an uncountable noun.\n\n\"I have a fur\" uses a countable noun.",
"I have a Bengal and she's the best. She's super friend and also super meowy.",
"I've had an F3 Savannah for 3 years now and she's the best animal I've ever owned. \n\n*[This is her](http://i.imgur.com/SCjIqFu.jpg)",
"\n his name should be \"TONT\"",
"Down vote sob stories even if it's a pretty picture.",
"Jesus christ get in the car it's a fucking tiger.",
"This cat has beautiful everything",
"Then there is no pleasing you",
"This cat has mad ps skills.",
"His name is Thor and he lives in Belgium!",
"Depends on the generation. I have a 3 year old F3 and she's pretty chill. She's super super cuddly.",
"Well there is no pleashing you.",
"$1000 for a breed kitten is just about average.\n\nNon-breeding Maine Coons or Abyssinians will hit similar numbers, as I expect any specialty cat will.",
"I bet that thing loves naps & lasagna.",
"I re-read the a tittle, my inner voice now sounds like Mario.\n\nEDIT: 'a' and 'tittle' were typos but they can stay to make sense of the comment below mine.",
"Dogs are family members, cats are small tigers that live in your house.",
"Legit lol there, thanks man",
"Tonae the toyger ",
"👍🏽",
"Looks more like a Bengal to me. Toyger would be rather small by comparison. ",
"So... is he enjoying his silver years creating a legion of 25lb barn cats?",
"That's a very distinguished looking cat ",
"So beauti-fur.",
"Furry pussy ",
"You both can come please me! ",
"Damn he looks amazing.",
"Empathy is just the fuckin worst, rite?",
"Babou?!",
"He is so cool and want him.",
"Gorgeous kitty",
"Descended from the king of beasts himself.",
"Stop reposting this, God damn",
"That's why I prefer a pet to a furry toy. They clean by themselves and grow new furs every now and then.",
"I can never tell",
"How many crazy cats are we gonna see on here? Can someone just compile all the unique cat species into a single image and be done with it. I'm tired of surprises. ",
"beaut",
"That rent is too damn high",
"I'm afraid Vishnu presides over this domain.",
"Irresponsible pet owners=/=wild animal",
"They are known to be one of the most attidutu of all cats. ",
"What do you mean by F3? ",
"Anything...?",
"Servals are wild animals. Savannah aren't they're a mix of Serval and a domestic cat. F1 Savannah is a half Serval half domestic cat, and F2 Savannah is a F1 bread with a domestic cat further diminishing it's wild routes, F3 is even less wild as that's a F2 bread with a domestic cat. You can have quite the variety in terms of how diluted the wild gens are. You'd probably want to stay away from a Serval and an F1 Savannah though. F2 only if you're ready to take on a handful, F3 should be manageable they're a lot more tamed.\n\nDon't be an ass hole of course and abandon your pet. Know what you're signing up for. \n\nEdit: If you're interested in the behaviors and sizes of F1 though F5 Savannahs this breeder [broke down traits rather well on their site.](http://www.syminou.com/informations-en.html)",
"10/10 would rub his tummy and accept the risks. ",
"Just trying to curry favor.",
"Toight like a toyger.",
"toight nups",
"My favorite animal is a Tiger so this would be my ideal cat",
"Gorgeous!!",
"Do your whispers echo in fat broads?",
"yes.",
"Looks photoshopped to me. Look at the face and then the body, something is off. ",
"If I had this cat I'd immediately not give a fuck that my crush ghosted me",
"Actually just, \"Piss off, I'll go next door to eat tonite.\"",
"I'm a repost addict pls gild",
"So basically just a regular human and their feline owner.",
"and can't afford health insurance.",
"I'd imagine there being less room given the greater body mass. Fat doesn't make ones insides expand.",
"I laughed, take an upvote",
"I swear I just read this in a thread, where did you steal this from -.-",
"How big are the F3's? ",
"i couldn't sleep knowing this thing was in my house.",
"F3? Is that like the tornado scale of damage but for cats?",
"Watched the first three videos and it's obvious that this one site has a problem with people owning the cats, but they don't have a reason why.\n\nVideo 1: The owners got divorced and nobody wanted the cat. Horrible yes, but nothing unique to a savannah cat.\n\nVideo 2: The lady said the cat was mean and aggressive from day 1. Well no shit, if any animal is like that you don't keep it in your house. I'd say that there is a 99.9% chance she did not get it as a kitten. Frankly I wouldn't want anybodies adult cat especially something as big as a savannah.\n\nDidn't watch enough of the third video as it seemed to be about some facility that had many cats that was treating them poorly.\n\nDo you know of any videos about a serval or savannah that was raised from a kitten being aggressive and having to be surrendered?",
"It's at the top of your keyboard",
"Worst part is, he knows it. Smug fuck ",
"I heard they're pretty expensive too",
"Haha! This guy!",
"Squat over a bowl of water, put your butt in the water and use your pelvic muscles to suck water in your butt and blow it back out to clean your colon. Drink about 5 to 7 glasses of salt water and vomit to clean your stomach out. And stretch out your unit to try to get a bigger one if you know what I mean.",
"Flapjack and a cigarette?",
"She is 10lbs. [This is her](http://i.imgur.com/SCjIqFu.jpg)",
"This cat has been on the front page more times than OP's mom has been on r/trashyboners.",
"That sucks.\n\nProbably thought he was a bengal tiger",
"Tight like a toyger!",
"Third generation so therefore leaning towards the domesticated cat side versus the wild serval side",
"fuck you cat",
"Photoshop",
"The room looks like it's been hit by a medium-sized tornado after the cat's finished with it.",
"a tittle\n👀👀",
"*raincheck*",
"Probably the best thing that you kept your daughter.",
"It's the generation they're from Serval parent. So F1 Savannah would be 50/50 Serval, F2 would be about 25% and F3 is between 10-15% Serval.",
"Don't let it fool you, it's still an asshole.",
"Sounds about right. Mine can be a huge bitch. And god help you(and your hands/feet) if she gets hyper.",
"That is one adorable kitty.",
"This cat is hot",
"Bred.",
"Perfect cat. Cat.jpg",
"Euthanasia? ",
"\"When the owner dies, they leave behind an animal who literally doesn't perceive themselves to have a friend in the world.\"\n\n:'(",
"I want to hug it, even at the risk of scratches",
"Many beautiful furs",
"That says the bibble.",
"No it's genetic generation. ",
"...also has nice eyes.",
"Are you trying to seduce me?",
"Yeah, a lot of people get these hybrid cats because they're pretty, then give them up because they're far more work than your standard domestic cat. There are rescues specifically for these cats due to the number of people who do that.\n\nThe moral: don't look to get a Bengal or Savannah cat because they're pretty. Lots of domestic cats are pretty. If you want one of these cats, it should be because you want a cat that is a lot higher energy and needs more interaction and activity than a domestic cat. And if you're not dead set on getting a kitten, please look into adopting an older cat that's been surrendered to one of those rescues.",
"u/Kimworeitbetter",
"toyger uppercut!",
"Sooo **OP** **IS** **A** [REPOSTER](http://i.imgur.com/mvFrM3l.gif)**!!!!**",
"Isn’t that WEIIIIRD???",
"I watched my old Bengal take on two 30+ lb raccoons and win. She didn't weight more than 10lbs but was a wild one. ",
"F1 = 1st generation hybrid. One parent wild. 1/2 Wild cat. \nF2 = 2nd generation hybrid. Breed an F1 with a domesticated cat. One grandparent wild. 1/4 wild cat. \nF3 = 3rd generation hybrid. Breed an F2 with a domesticated cat. One great-grandparent wild. 1/8 wild cat.",
"toyger is the breed most like a tiger. Some bengal breeders get them periodically",
"He looks big! How much does he weigh? Gorgeous cat.",
"Can confirm. Have Bengal. She is demanding for sure. ",
"I have a half Bengal and its scary how smart he is, at night when I'm on my pc, if he wants attention. He will stand up on his back legs leaning on the chair and tap me on the shoulder. It scared the shit out of me at night until I got use to it haha but I will definitely get a serval whenever I get a nice home with enough room for it.",
"Tigerclaw?",
"\"You may praise kittah at anytime, human\"",
"Wow. Look at how big those claws n paws are. ",
" Is that a real breed?",
"beautiful cat [.](https://www.youtube.com/user/afmembers)",
"Tigger!",
"Taiga?",
"Compared to an F2 though are they a comparable size or are they notably smaller? ",
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" Squat over a bowl of water, put your butt in the water ",
"https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7paf3e/this_cat_with_a_beautiful_fur/dsg6a8q/",
"Breed. ",
"Or the cost.\n\nFrom what I've seen F1's can be up to $20,000. On the plus side the F2 is only slightly smaller than an F1, looks just about the same and is half the cost.",
"Are there any specific traits/drawback to each generation? Thanks for answering!",
"You just...watched your cat possibly get killed without interfering?",
"It means that three generations back, the cat has a wild cat ancestor. An F1 is the product of a wild cat and a domestic cat. An F2 is an F1 bred to a domestic cat. F3 is the next, etc. F1s are pretty much still wild cats. F2 are still difficult to own. Most Bengal and Savannah cats that are sold as pretty are F3 and up.",
"I'm the next door neighbor for one of those cats so yeah, spot on. You don't adopt a cat, the cat adopts you.",
"This is the fourth time I'm seeing this cat pic. Repost repost everywhere. ",
"Dude, curry is the wrong flavor for cats. Miso or gtfo.",
"Bengal cat?",
"There's two things I can't stand in this world... People who are intolerant of other people's cultures... And the Dutch...",
"Excellent Photoshop work",
"My wife is allergic to cats and I love cats, I've heard that Bengals and Savannah's are sort of hypoallergenic. ",
"> Savannah cats can be difficult, too, due to their high energy\n\nCan confirm - Source: Own adorable, cuddly, loving, furry, spotted [asshole](https://imgur.com/ROm6ANT). \n",
"Bengal cats will fuck your home the fuck up ",
"Can I have this cat, please?",
"Does it taste better than a regular cat?",
"I was trying to get in between them and she literally would quickly strike at them. She was nearly impossible to catch. After awhile I realized all the cats, dogs and raccoons were afraid of her and so I let her fight her battles. Never anything more than a scratched ear but kidney failure got her eventually. ",
"Found this picture that will maybe help for what you're looking for \n\nhttps://www.wikihow.com/images/thumb/4/42/Identify-a-Savannah-Cat-Step-6.jpg/aid1914067-v4-728px-Identify-a-Savannah-Cat-Step-6.jpg\n\nF3 is basically like a big \"normal\" cat usually 10-15lbs...so F2 is gonna be closer probably to the 15-25lb range",
"I was scrolling up Reddit so I saw the paws first. I thought I was about to see a tiger, and then my mind got fooled. Well played, OP.",
"What happens to a Savannah when he/she calms down? I've got an F2 at 18 months. ",
"Ti(ny)ger",
"Is this photoshoped?",
"I've got one of those! Hard to get a nice pic like this though...",
"My family cat growing up also fought a raccoon and got his ass kicked. He always fought every now and then. The snakes would get slapped every time it made a move. ",
"Freaky deaky dutch. ",
"This cat looks like a painting.....I want it.",
"The higher number means that it will be more like a normal cat (looks and behavior) and less like the wild cat.",
" Amazing! ",
"/r/supermodelcats",
"*You may sleep on the cold bathroom tiles*\n\n*All carpet and warm surfaces*\n\n*are mine and mine alone*\n\n*Now take out the poop and piss sand*\n\n*-* Cat",
"I love Bengals. We had ours 9 years until he passed away this August from kidney failure.",
"Pussy whipped",
"very beautiful",
"This cat is strikingly beautiful.",
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"F1 and F2 can be 20 lbs.",
"Just thank God Above that they don't have opposable thumbs. (shudder)",
"And check your local rescues and perhaps you could find a mix. I fostered one cat in college that was super long and had red-ish fur, so I assume part Bengal. Was a super chill cat who was a mother figure to the kittens we fostered. Some of the kittens even suckled on her nipples. \n\nShe also jumped on top of the TV that we put on top of our dresser because none of the kittens could reach her, whenever she needed a break. Whoever adopted her at the end is a very lucky person. ",
"!DreamBot10",
"Look up the Toyger breed. Everyone keeps mentioning bengals and savannahs, but toygers may be what you're looking for. ",
"The cat contains potassium benzoate.",
"Getting in the way can make things worse. I work at a level 2 trauma center where breaking up animal fights turn out very poorly for the human. ",
"I don't understand your question? Like will they calm down when they're older? Mine used to be a havoc at night for awhile. We had these hanging curtains and she'd climb them and hang off them...she'd run aroubd for most of the night. Now she just chills a lot...still every morning and evening she wants to play but we have a husky/G. Shepherd and those to tire each other out... They both go outside and chase each other in our yard.",
"Good... good...",
"And very pointy claws ouch\n",
"Dude no way, definitely Tigerclaw. ",
"It’s a naan issue",
"Username checks out.",
"Yeah I'm just wondering what they're like when they get older. He demands to go for walks like a dog. My neighborhood finds it adorable. I'm still trying to socialize him to people. ",
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"And super vocal and territorial as well.",
"So is he a Lat or a Ciger?",
"I knew Cats & Dogs was a documentary, no one beleived me.",
"Noice.",
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"Beautiful baby",
"They definitely have a wild hair up their ass. We had an f5(?) Bengal and he was beyond a handful.",
"I want to pet this animal.",
"PS kills everything today. It’s fascinating what it can do, but it distorts reality. Not to say this is photoshopped (maybe it is, maybe it isn’t), but rather the fact that strange images can always be chalked up to PS.",
"Mine is more like, “water, fuck off with that shit, unless I want it, then help me like yesterday”",
"Last time he was weighed he was 16 pounds. He's gotten a little fatter over time. ",
"Cigar and a waffle?",
"Aww how old was he?",
"Site is not loading, so just visit Bengalthor on Instagram. ",
"yee",
"Anybody know the name of this cat???",
"That’s a Bengal. I have a silver one and he’s gorgeous. ",
"It's due for a bath tomorrow. ",
"I want one so bad!\n",
"Beautiful and a bastard is the best way to describe a bengal. Mine has calmed down a lot in his old age but he was a grade A fucker as a teenage cat. He still likes to open drawers so at least once a week I’ll come downstairs to find every door, drawer, and cupboard in the kitchen open because he wanted to see what he could see. They’re too smart for their own good. We also can’t have cat nip because he goes a little too wild and beats up the other cats. ",
"/r/furry_irl ",
"Lol good luck taking care of a serval.\n\nEven f1-3 savannah cats are difficult work. You may get lucky with a super social, not-pissing-everywhere one, but odds are good that won't happen, regardless of any training. ",
"From my understanding the serval and savannah are cats the act like they are high energy dogs, they also have the agility of cat which can make them a bit more difficult to handle. They're also best for a family so the cat can get a lot of attention. Not good for a older woman looking for a cuddle buddy.\n\n>Bengal or Savannah cat because they're pretty. Lots of domestic cats are pretty. \n\nThat is the #1 reason why people want those cats. Not only do I love the look, I also think it's really cool that they are so big. I think a serval is a great middle ground between a domestic cat and a cheetah.\n\n>And if you're not dead set on getting a kitten, please look into adopting an older cat that's been surrendered to one of those rescues.\n\nThe problem with that is that you have no idea what the cat has been through and what it's personality is. Anybody who has had a stray cat they took in or tried to knows what it can be like.\n\nThough yes, if the cat has shown to be consistently calm then that can be an option.",
"please tell me that she hasn't yet been spayed",
"Somebody, please, make an animated gif of this cat with Futurama's Hypnotoad's eyes.",
"Why not both?",
"Thank you! This is all about human ego and nothing about animal welfare!",
"1. Get nice home. \n2. Get serval of your dreams. \n3. Fucking feline ruins nice home. ",
"So primal!",
"That's @bengalthor on Instagram. Give credit where credit is due, people.",
"Shave me from myshelf (eats own dead skin flake)",
"You heard correctly\n\nhttp://www.f1hybridssavannahcats.com/savannah-cats/\n\n F1 Savannah Cat\n Pairings extremely difficult, very low fertility, small litters\n Price: $17,000 - $22,000\n F2 Savannah Cats\n Pairings difficult, low fertility, small litters\n $6,000 - $10,000\n Lower Generations (F3-F6)\n Pairings standard, medium fertility, moderate litters\n $1,200 - $4,000\n\nI'd want an F2 at minimum.",
"Showed this pic to my cat... he rawr'd",
"Awww, looks exactly like my cat Dimitre :( we had 2 Bengal cats, both brothers, together they were a handful, but Dimitre was so affectionate and loving, I couldn't have asked for better company. I miss him greatly :( Thankfully we still have his brother with us, and at age 13 he's still capable of running, jumping, climbing, shredding furniture and having wrestling matches with the TV remote, so Bengals don't seem to lose energy as they age 😂",
"That is a pretty coat.",
"The proper response to said cat",
"Catmaster, reveil my task, i will obey!",
"Ha ha.\n\nHe's like, \"Hey buddy, remember me?\"",
"I’m sorry you had to give your newborn daughter away.",
"Thing is though, it almost looks like it was illustrated or made in Photoshop. Never seen a cat like that with such pure, beautiful colors. That's a pretty kitty though!",
"The issue really is starting to saag. ",
"“My cat does this EVERY time I *insert incredibly unlikely scenario here after they capture a 1 in a million picture*”",
"That's the face of a cat who knows he cost $3500.",
"It's name is Repost",
"Kinda looks like a tiger :)",
"I had a Bengal come up to me in the parking lot of a Home Depot. Super friendly and it obviously didn't belong because it had a collar. It had wondered off over five miles from it's home and so on my way to return him he paid me back by spraying the backseat of my car. They are dicks.",
"I was thinking it would be a lot more than that. Honestly I wouldn't think twice about paying $1000 for one of those.",
"Just read my scribble",
"Khajiit has wares... if you have the coin",
"Toight!",
"Thats definitely possible, but I like to pride myself on how well I've trained my two cats. They are trained almost like dogs, they come when called, sit, lay down, stay, and stop what they are doing when I say no. I also try to burn out their energy when I get home from work but a serval is a whole other animal so hopefully I'll be prepared!",
"Yeah, when we got the dog those two play all the time. He's just over one now and they've been together since he was 5 weeks old. That helped a lot. Yours is probably even more high-strung though because of being an F2. Maybe get him a partner to play with? That's about the only advice I have because that's what helped ours a lot.",
"Oh my god her nose made me chuckle. Looks a lot like mine in the face. Beautiful girl. ",
"Toyger?",
"Unless you have a half acre under chicken wire with things to climb at night, it won't get enough exercise and mental stimulation. ",
"don't forget to clean up its piss and shit.... then piss off",
"Have two Savannahs, don't do it unless you're prepared to take care of children.",
"MY friend has one of these. The cat loves greasy food and will beg you for fries. He also has the loudest meow of all time, which can be a bit irritating. Beautiful fur though. And always feels silky no matter what. 10/10 would cat",
"How in the fuck is this the #2 post on /r/all???? Really, in one refresh it jumped from nowhere to 2nd. ",
"Yup I can second this. I was 5 and went to follow my cat who chased the neighborhood cat he was fighting with into a hole under the house. When I went to pet my cat to tell him it's ok he turned around in surprise and lunged all his legs onto my arm that I went to pet him with and he dug all his nails into my arm just hanging on it and I screamed like a little bitch and my cat ran off. I started crying from the horrible pain I was in and my mom wasn't home because she was at work so I just stood on the porch crying with blood pouring down my arm until my mom got home. By that time there was a puddle of blood all over the whole porch. After I got back from the doctors I saw my cat hiding under the stairs outside and I screamed at him to go away and that he's not my cat anymore. I never saw him again. I regret still to this day that I tried to break up that fight. \n\nEdit: a word",
"I just bought a second male Bengal kitten as a friend for my first male Bengal who is a year old. I suppose I should buckle up. ",
"two male cats of any breed are usually trouble- unless they're brothers, and have always been together.",
"Except that Serval cats are literally wild animals...\n\nYou can be the most responsible pet owner in the world, but that doesn't change the fact that a grizzly bear or any other wild animal is not a pet,",
"Looks like it's got a baseball bat tail. Very rare.",
"I have a bengal too. I love my bengal boy :D",
"[This cat gets posted once a month and the saturation on the photo is cranked.](http://karmadecay.com/r/pics/comments/7paf3e/this_cat_with_a_beautiful_fur/) And I don't really care, but an honest post it is not.",
"Bring in the furries",
"Want right now ",
"ANY. THING.",
"I'm going to take a wild long shot guess, and say this cat's name is Thor. Am I right?? 😎",
"You can read all about this particular cat on his [website](https://www.thorthebengal.com/)\n\nAlso make sure to buy tons of his merchandise. Damn.",
"His fur is cativating ",
"not as disappointing as cleveland's.",
"Totally not a scientist, so take this for an anecdote. I’m allergic to cats, and my son is also. No allergy problems for either of us with two F2 bengals in the house at all. ",
"Bengal. I had one; loud, annoying, beautiful and smart AF. 10/10 would never have again.",
"They're getting really common, and have dropped in price as a result. Unfortunately they're losing a lot of the traits that make them bengal cats. They're being bred down so far that they're basically house cats with pretty patterns. If you want a legit bengal with noticeable Asian leopard lineage, you're going to pay a bit more. ",
"Still handsome af",
"r/unexpectedaqua",
"/r/me_irl",
"[That's one fucking nice kitty right there.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WOsoSXjN8LM)",
"Wots ur shtoyle?",
"I used this quote a few months ago and got downvoted to hell. Of course I used it in reply to a Dutch woman, but she was being a bitch. Some people got no sense of humor, or irony.",
"Just because they look like a housecat doesn't mean they'll behave like one.\n\nhttps://bigcatrescue.org/servals-not-pets/\n\n(Actually just went to big cat rescue, it's a great place!)",
"Abbysinians are another generally good breed for people with cat allergies.",
"I love gold! The look of it! The shmell of it! The taste of it! The texture! I love gold sho much that I lost my genitalia in an unfortunate shmelting accident. ",
"Yeah, he's not real gentle with the 2 year old tortie and the 10 year old Siamese. He's so much bigger than they are. Isn't really fair, with him clocking in at 20+ lbs and them being like... 10. We're fine, I'm just wondering what a chilled out Savannah is like, and when I might be able to expect it. ",
"Dogs have owners, cats have wait staff ",
"I use to have a Bengal boy that looked just like him. ",
"I love dog but damn this pussy cat looks amazing!",
"Is this a like cat breed of so what breed and how much ",
"My brain totally inverted your use of the words dutch and bitch.\n\nI can't deny it. It even seemed logical too.",
"Always risky clicking a link labeled 'asshole'...",
"This might be the most beautiful cat I’ve ever seen but I can’t imagine it’s a normal domestic? It looks like a toy bengal tiger ",
"You gotta keep them small or they’ll eat you. ",
"Sure it's honest, as long as you don't mind the over-saturated Photoshop treatment.",
"Hey, no shame in being a cat dad. ",
"That's the way, uh-huh uh-huh Oi like it!\n\n(K.C. and the Sunshine Band.)",
"Close, the cats human went into crippling debt acquiring a tiny tiger.",
"This has been reposted so many times it's actually become a meme ",
"My girlfriend: What time of cat is this?\nMe: Expensive.\n\nPlot twist - I have no girlfriend.",
"Your Tony the tiger! You're grrrrreat! And I'm spent",
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"Definitely a Bengal. Looking at ours right now and the colouring is almost identical. ",
"One retrdd cripl pls.",
"Did the same thing. It was great for a while. The second really bonded with cat 1. Cat 1 mellowed out some and stopped randomly attacking us and obsessing over the wall thermostat. For 5 or 6 years things are great then cat 2 suddenly decides to start going to the bathroom all over the house. Huge cat fights ensued and neither were happy. No medical issues could be found. Multiple vets said it was behavioral. Both desperately wanted to become outdoor cats so they started going out more frequently. \n\nCat 1 is 14 now and is much happier alone and never wants to leave the house. He has some health issues that are manageable but is a good cat again. So many teeth and other random problems with both of them though. ",
"Same except my cats were strays. I prefer the cats' company more often except late night and early morning.",
"Isn't there a rule against leaving kids home alone till they are 10?",
"I’ve seen this reposted so many times now over the last 2 years ",
"Tiger tiger burning bright \nYou scratch my arms, I scoop your shite\n\n--William Wordsworth",
"Looks identical to our lost cat in San Luis Obispo :-(",
"Wow",
"True. I was just going off of what others had already mentioned in the thread before me",
"Sure, but it's also been reposted to hell. Interesting and *original*, now that would be a rare breed.\n\ntitle | points | age | /r/ | comnts\n:--|:--|:--|:--|:--\n[This Cat is cooler than me. I'll just admit it.](http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/73xr43/this_cat_is_cooler_than_me_ill_just_admit_it/) | 127 | 3^mos | aww | 3\n[New Frosted Flakes mascot Tina the tabby.](http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/6u0jch/new_frosted_flakes_mascot_tina_the_tabby/) | 36 | 4^mos | aww | 5\n[New Frosted Flakes mascot Tina the tabby](http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/6u05yf/new_frosted_flakes_mascot_tina_the_tabby/) | 96 | 4^mos | aww | 15\n[Prettiest cat I've seen.](http://www.reddit.com/r/Eyebleach/comments/6tz23y/prettiest_cat_ive_seen/) | 30407 | 4^mos | Eyebleach | 340\n[The Tiger Cat](http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6tz1wr/the_tiger_cat/) | 1400 | 4^mos | pics | 40\n[What a unique cat!](http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/60qoxa/what_a_unique_cat/) | 157 | 9^mos | pics | 17\n[This Cat is cooler than me. I'll just admit it.](http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/5uisfo/this_cat_is_cooler_than_me_ill_just_admit_it/) | 54750 | 10^mos | aww | 1163\n[Meet my cat, Thor the Bengal :\\)](http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/4yic0r/meet_my_cat_thor_the_bengal/) | 86 | 1^yr | aww | 20\n[Wild Tigercat](http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/5eu6ft/wild_tigercat/) | 37 | 1^yr | aww | 3\n[Thor, the Bengal cat with 'purrfectly' beautiful fur](http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/57tkfb/thor_the_bengal_cat_with_purrfectly_beautiful_fur/) | 5410 | 1^yr | pics | 257\n[Thor, the Bengal cat with 'purrfectly' beautiful fur](http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/57tkaf/thor_the_bengal_cat_with_purrfectly_beautiful_fur/) | 158 | 1^yr | aww | 1\n[Cat or Tiger???](http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/55u2nn/cat_or_tiger/) | 4545 | 1^yr | aww | 289\n[arrggggg.... >.<](http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/4ysdxw/arrggggg/) | 44 | 1^yr | aww | 7\n[That's a beautiful coat and eyes](http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/4yg02e/thats_a_beautiful_coat_and_eyes/) | 6340 | 1^yr | aww | 1030\n[If he was a human, he'd be a model](http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/68fxd5/if_he_was_a_human_hed_be_a_model/) | 14642 | 8^mos | aww | 210\n[That's a beautiful coat and eyes](http://www.reddit.com/r/aww/comments/5x58p5/thats_a_beautiful_coat_and_eyes/) | 77 | 10^mos | aww | 5\n[Model Cat.](http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/68ighk/model_cat/) | 66 | 8^mos | pics | 5\n\n*[Source: karmadecay](http://karmadecay.com/r/pics/comments/7paf3e/this_cat_with_a_beautiful_fur/)*",
"Looks like a toyger to me.",
"Looks fake?",
"As a single dude living with a cat, I’d like to point out to the ladies that this in now way should be taken as a red flag. What’s in my basement however...",
"Probably the only cat I could tolerate owning. Mouser no doubt. ",
"Did you know that your comment rhymes? Oh what the heck, let's do this two times.",
"So is the guy you're replying to.",
"How much would a cat like this cost, I want to own a cat although I don't know which to breed to consider... ",
"No wonder the Egyptians were so obsessed with cats. ",
"It's so purrfect!",
"Makes me want to re-read the Warriors series",
"TFW when a cat is prettier than you.",
"That's wild, cat!",
"!redditsilver",
"Hey I noticed you also have 2 Bengals and are near the Carroll county area. Did yours happen to come from Pixelperfect Bengals? ",
"bengal boyes ",
"Roice is Noice",
"His cereal is just okay.",
"And a sick grandmother",
"I know they look cool and all, but why spend that kind of coin on a cat????\n\n\nOh wait, I am spending that kinda coin on a dog next year... so... yeah I get it.",
"Misspelled tiger",
"[Relevant](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyx4nETMVfc&t=1m38s)",
"I have crippling Autism which is why I'm on Reddit. *autistic screech* pls Gild, gold, & updoot.",
"Is that Thor?",
"I know for a fact that this cat would scratch me",
"I don’t think you have a choice in the matter. We all must do what this cat asks. ",
"Nice pussy. And she knows it",
"So like a great dane?",
"Maybe if it were and adjective.\n\nI have a fur something\nEx: A fur coat\n\nEdit: word",
"High risk, high reward.",
"They are showing their dis-contempt for you with a furrowed brow.",
"I'd follow him into battle.",
"Several of my family members are allergic to cats but don’t have problems with my Bengals",
"You can probably find some. These animals aren’t meant to be house pets. \n\nAlso check your states legislation regarding owning a serval/savannah cat going as far as the F2-3 generations. A lot of states have outlawed this or require certain permits through the dept of agriculture or something similar to own these animals because they are considered exotics and wild. Just because it’s the size of a house cat or a little bigger doesn’t mean it always acts like one. Wild animals are happiest in the wild. ",
"*Vape and a crepe ",
"Who dey",
"You sure are curious to know this",
"Cat has RBF",
"It's just the one fur, actually.",
"Do you have an unsaturated version?",
"should've given away your newborn instead...",
"This cat is probably an ass hole, because all cats are ass holes. ",
"\"Fuck me right in my kitten ass, /u/nobody_likes_soda!\"",
"Breed?",
"NO MORE CAT PICTURES!!!!\n\nDear god what is wrong with you people?????",
"Wrong.",
"Why people keep upvoting this repost? I don't get reddit sometimes.",
"A single beautiful fur.",
"That’s the guy that sold me frosted flakes",
"Dutch Hater!",
"It's like you think making stupidly obvious observations is worth the time you spent typing them.",
"Bengal",
"Like your life, probably.",
"Like a tiger",
"Issa me Mario. ",
"Giggity...",
"I bet you would eat the same food out of the same bowl right next to them because you're that starved for acceptance and companionship.",
"Only for a broke loser like you",
"I love Bengal cats. Beautiful and mouthy lil shits.",
"Literally nobody cares.",
"That cat would make a good seasonal coat!",
"Looks like every other Bengal cat. YAWWWWNNNN",
"they dyed the cats fur with toxic and cancer causing substances. he wont live for much longer. ",
"\\>Okie-silly-dilly-dokie-oh! I'm an idiot!\n\n\\>Yes you are.",
"Yeah who knows what THAT trainwreck will look like in 14 years.",
"Never heard of a serval before. Every pic looks like they photoshopped a house cat's head onto a leopard's body.",
"Declawed? Left to sit in a wire cage? I don't understand people, that's just terrible. ",
"Stupid song reference and fuck you for making it.",
"Literally all cats are like small tigers. If housecats weren’t so common do you know how in demand they would be? You get to own a cute little funny tiger that just lives with you. ",
"Wrong.",
"If you gush any more you'll have to start wearing adult diapers.",
"Good. Obviously nobody cares. Crawl back in your hole, idiot.",
"Them eyes too.",
"Lord jesus. My aunt has a serval. Gorgeous animal. Also one of the biggest egotistical bastards I had to deal with in my life. Got a majestic walk that would melt a witches heart and more sass than a starlet. I am normally really good with animals (my whole family always sends me their pets to deal with and train them). Can't figure out the damn thing. She is only loyal to my aunt.",
"You could've googled this instead of wasting time posting this on reddit and waiting for the stupid fucking answers you received instead.",
"This comment bores me. Like your mom does.",
"Shit happens.",
"Been following this beauty for awhile on Instagram @bengalthor",
"Oh no! You're concerned about some inconsequential bullshit that doesn't matter! Glad you have priorities, loser.",
"Dumb",
"My roommates two male cats get along great and one was introduced a couple years in. Plus the original cat is part bengal (not F1), even let's his \"brother\" groom him and actually plays with my dog (beefy boxer) from time to time.",
"Don't forget the barf (says the guy who was just cleaning up cat barf).",
"A true gem of Skyrim videos. For those unacquainted: https://youtu.be/08I4UCKsA8E",
"Nobody cares about your stupid feral cat.",
"Oh gotcha..yeah yours is a lot bigger than mine haha. With the generation difference they seem very different tempered. I'd say around 2 she started sleeping more at night and not crawling all over us. But she still gets up at like 5am and is \"ready to hunt\"...so it'll never completely go away",
"???the fuck???",
"Your mom bores me. Like your comment does.",
"What",
"Downvoted.",
"Downvote? That's almost as bad as a left vote!\n\nSirs! Mams! Please downvote by clicking the button. Don't spam the comment feed with 'downvote' unless you're further elaborating!\n\n>user.type = 'bot'; I am a bot. *bleep bloop*",
"Who cares",
"It's like the stars aligned just to illustrate your point... https://i.imgur.com/8DZ8XZP.png",
">Photoshopped\n\nFTFY. Moron.",
"Tha whole club waz lookin' at 'her\n\nSHE HIT DA FLO!!!",
"Between you and me, I'd prefer going for three.",
"Thats one photogenic cat.",
"You're a real_jerk.",
"His nyame is Thyyorrr and he livvvess in Byyeellljummmmmm. Blah blah blah you're boring fuck you.",
"“Can you recover my moon amulet? My mother gave it to me when I was just a cub”",
"My Bengal pisses in the bath if there's so much as the scent of HIS OWN piss in HIS OWN litter tray.\n\nHe stares at you as he does it, too. Bastard. ",
"Such a lonely life you lead.",
"Lol, edited. Sorry, autocorrect went a little crazy!",
"One beautiful fur.",
"Mine is presently cat balling and is sacked out. What a lump. He’s usually pretty good at night. He wakes me up by playing with the wood blinds.",
"No, no, first you must stand there while I smack you without warning, then piss off. ",
"Name checks out, asshole",
"1/8 wild to be exact ",
"“Kill her. You know exactly who I’m talking about, nobody_likes_soda.”",
"It grows up to be a 300 lb tiger, right?",
"Yes, it looks like one! So adorable.",
"Here is your tuna. Would you like me to cripple a mouse for you?",
"Kidney failure takes the best of them. My kitty's beans betrayed him when he was just a year and a half old. Stupid beans. A direct line going back for millions of years of evolution only to be ended by some stupid kidney's deciding they don't want to do their job. ",
"Tiger kitty",
"I lost my cat 2 months ago and seeing this makes me miss him so much. This cat is so beautiful",
"This is gonna convert furries to beastiality. What a beautiful cat. (and not in a beastiality way)",
"A beautiful animal. ",
"I love that cat~",
"Yes it looks like a Toyger ! ",
"babou?",
"Stop trying to seduce me.",
"#ANY THING!?",
"reminds of the thundercats cartoon. ",
"Yeah I'm attracted to their big size that's what makes me want one and their dog like attitudes. Both Bengal's and Savannah's are know to like to play fetch, they like swimming in water, and they fallow you around the house always wanting to see what you're up to. The difference between them and a dog is that they can jump 8 feet in the air (at least F1 Savannah can) and they want to walk on the ceiling.\n\nFrom my research I gather Bengals are a lot more tame but a F3 Savannah is probably around as tame as a Bengal. You'd want to keep a F1 or F2 Savannah away from small kids though they will scratch and bite when they get in a bad mood. \n\nThe bigger issue with Savannah's compared to a Bengal is that Savannah's are a much newer breed and there isn't a lot of consistency between them. Most Savannah's likley aren't bred from other Savannah's but rather are direct descendents of a varying types of domestic cats and Servals. So some Savannah's may be very nice well behaved cats and other ones less so, some will exhibit different personalities and traits than others. So if you want one it's important to do your research and find a good breder. ",
"Has anyone else seen this exact picture of this cat maybe 50+ times before? Is this a meme? I don’t understand..",
"I feel like I'm cheating on my cat for upcoming this. ",
"Definitely not a breeder. You can tell by the way it is, me too.",
"Original",
"Wow, it’s me in cat form. Does this make it my spirit animal? Lol",
"I've stayed over at a house where the neighbor's cat slid into my room and decided that it was going to sleep on my butt every night for the duration of my stay. \n\nShe was actually a very sweet cat, fwiw. ",
"After I read the title I really thought this was gonna be a beautiful cat wearing a fur coat ",
"And beautiful eyes. And pretty much beautiful everything.",
"this is my friends Toyger and bengal. I don't this the saturation is too high, Toygers are very intense in their colouring. http://i.imgur.com/SaLO3hN.jpg ",
"He's majestic af.",
"lol I laughed when he said retard",
"My cat has an orange tail, interesting enough for you? https://imgur.com/a/8rEOC ",
"It's exotic looking, for sure.",
"Sorry, but asking if it's a certain breed can't be wrong. \n\nAsserting this is a Toyger could and would be wrong.\n\nEven asking if this was a Devon Rex wouldn't be wrong (although the odds of someone simultaneously knowing a Devon Rex is a breed of cat and not knowing that Bengals and Toygers look nothing like them is laughably slim), because you ask questions to gain answers. \n\nRemember, there are stupid questions, but no question genuinely seeking to learn is stupid.",
"This cat is very unique looking!",
"I'd drink this cats pet bowl water. ",
"What a beautiful cat.\nSublime",
"I'm Dutch and I love that quote so much. Can't take yourself too seriously. ",
"A very beautiful fur indeed ",
"My partner and I adopted a Bengal as a rescue. We are both lifelong, experienced cat owners but Bengals are not normal cats. They are the ultimate cat. They take all the things that are CAT and multiply them until you're a crazy person.\n\nAnd they are intelligent, scheming monsters with the most insistent voices like whiny toddlers.\n\nOur's is 10 now and she still acts like a furry, demanding toddler. She needs attention or she gets anxious. But as long as you play with her and give her a brush every day.. and check out the situation when she's meowing about something.. all is well.\n\n[Absolutely the most crazy and annoying cat I've known](https://i.imgur.com/6rYQxt4.jpg)\n\nWe love her but would probably recommend a burmese or something if you want a chill cuddly furbaby instead of a wild beast.\n",
"In theory. Most are higher. 1/8 would be assuming they were all need to cats with no wild content. ",
"Falcon PUUUUNCH!!!",
"What breed is this or is it a Photoshop?",
"The pussy whisperer knowing what cats think about",
"I want to buy rings in Majula from this cat.",
"So's your novelty account.",
"Richard Parker??",
"Oooo Rug?",
"I’m in love. Can we pleeeeease have more pics?",
"Surely can't do four... I'll show myself the door",
"For something that sits around judging you silently and is an asshole. But I guess it's better than getting married.",
"I want a cat😭😭❤️❤️",
"Shopped",
"Is that Benson the Bengal? He's on Instagram. ",
"man relax, its just the internet afterall",
"START THE DAMN JOUST BEFORE I PISS MYSELF!!",
"What kind of cat is this?",
"Head? Your cat is wired backwards from mine. ",
"What a beautiful cat!",
"You know the phrase \"There are no stupid questions\"? That's a stupid phrase.",
"Can you summarize what F3 means? ",
"Fuck u mean he the hell away from that tiger",
"Ya my cat showed up in my crawl space meowing loudly till I went and brought him inside. Followed by 9 hours of shaving and bathing a matted turtle shell off a scared and starving cat. He seems to like me tho.",
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"Reread my reply. You just asked a stupid question.",
"What kind of cat is this? ",
"Hu interesting I didn't realize this. A quick Google and I found this. \n\n>These medium-sized, living room tiger replicas weigh in at 10-15 pounds for the male and 7-10 pounds for the female.\n\n>Bengal cats are usually quite large: males weigh on average between 10 – 15 lbs (4.5 – 6.8kg) and females 8 – 12 lbs (3.6 – 5.4 kg).\n\nSeems female Bengals are a little bit bigger but males are around the same size. ",
"Mini murder floof",
"I'm incredibly average plz upvote or downvote accordingly.",
"If I see this guy on Reddit one more time, I'll, I'll probably do nothing. But come on. ",
"We have two males, they get along fine. ",
"It's beautifur",
"It’s a bengal. It’s Thor the Bengal, who has his own instagram account (of course) @bengalthor",
"All the scores on your page are negative. I don't care what you have to say. It's funny seeing someone get triggered over a typo. Have fun with your trolling.",
"Man that tiger is really small, you should feed it more.",
"Just saving time https://i.imgur.com/pQ7i6Ih.jpg",
"That...that is a small tiger. And it looks like it would kill you if it wanted to.",
"You need a hug, bud?",
"how old was the second cat when he came in? the trouble usually centers around both wanting to be the dominant one. but a bengal can probably intimidate and bend other males to their will without too much effort.",
"My aunt has one of those cats and they are extremely expensive not only to get but to take care of too",
"Cuddles.",
"The first though through my mind was \"that's a spicy cat\"\n",
"LOL",
"There needs to be a black velvet painting of this cat made immediately. ",
"Good person.\n",
"LOL",
"Thats a heckin sweet kitty, mister.",
"This cat.......it's, it's......it's beautiful!",
"Ugly cat is ugly.",
"THEY'RRREEE GRRRREEEEAAAAAT!!!",
"An F1 is the product of an Asian leopard and a domestic cat. Usually some form of tabby. An F1 bengal is the 'purest' bengal. They're not like house cats, and are basically only kept to make F2s because they're still really 'wild'. An F2 is the product of an F1 bred with a domestic cat. My cat is the product of an F2 bred with a domestic cat, making him an F3. So he's 3 generations down. He was paired with large silver tabbys to make big F4s. You can breed F1s, F2s, and F3s together as well, provided they're not related, but you wind up breeding out the Asian leopard traits and just wind up with domestic cats that kind of have a spotty pattern. ",
"That's a Bengal. They are a riot.",
"Thats the most rare cat i have ever seen in my life ❤️😳",
"Yeah, everything on the internet is a meme.",
"Wonderfully beautiful",
"Kidnapping cubs from the zoo is considered a crime. :)",
"I have a bengal. The only thing I tell people that meet him is don't rub the belly, he has a mean bicycle kick.",
"I think that cat has more than one beautiful fur.",
"I've had 6 cats in total my life and all of them have come to our house and just kinda started acting like they lived there.",
"This beautiful cat.. gorgeous",
"Can I have one? My wife and in love dogs but I grew up with cats. I want both and she would not be able to refuse a sexy bitch like this! ",
"I had a shower thought about cats like this, I'm assuming this is a bengal type cat. It seems they're breeding dogs to be less dog like and more adorable. Look at [pugs and frenchies](http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-37423040) which are flat faced dogs being bred for cuteness but can't even breathe. While cats like this are being bred to be stronger, more independent, more active, and just generally more badass.",
"Came here to ask, why are siamese cats so psycho?",
"Holy cow that interesting. Thanks!",
"I bet that'll go for a few ethereum",
"Cat:\"Khajit has wares if you have the coin.\" \n\nMe: \".... fuck it I'll have the lot.\"",
"<3. Just remember, whenever you're down, I'm always around.",
"Our dog sees our cat try and boss us around and shuts that shit down.\n",
"He's trolling. He's reusing the same comments on me. He's got the mind of a carrot. ",
"Hey I noticed you also have 2 Bengals and are near the Carroll county area. Did yours happen to come from Pixelperfect Bengals? ",
"r/warriorcats",
"Came here to say this... *eye twitch*",
"bengal",
"You'll fit right in.",
"Garfield? ",
"https://i.redd.it/b8hhesdv04901.jpg\nI'm planning on making my first submission to /r/pics, what do you think?",
"400th repost. Also, 400th upvote from me.",
"This guy cats",
"I picture this cat with a Persian accent.",
"You really live up to your username, don't you? Also, you're an idiot.",
"yeah, sometimes it works out- which is why i said usually, and not always.\n\nand- it can also depend a lot on how young they are when they start cohabitating. kittens tend to be a lot more easy-going.",
"Yes. It's adorable. \n\n\n\nFor real though is that like a pseudo-calico thing?",
"Brilliant observation, genius! Here's how to join MENSA: https://www.us.mensa.org/join/testscores/",
"He was 8 years old. He lived a long life though.",
"r/supermodelcats is leaking",
"I agree, it's puuurfect. ",
"https://www.amazon.com/Guys-Can-Cat-Ladies-Too/dp/141970690X",
"It's a beautifur.",
"Second cat was introduced young, and you're totally right about the bengal just has so much more \"fire\" too him. Even though the second cat is a lot bigger the bengal can whoop his ass.",
"I'm to sexy for your car, too sexy for your car.",
"stunningly beautiful, although not as nice as my cats.",
"Cat.",
"Mine loooved belly scratches. ",
"As cgp grey once said \"cats are tiny tigers that live in your house.\"",
"Sir, I have a quest for you.",
"Looks just like the Bengal that my parents bought for $1500. They should have just gotten a regular cat. The one they got is a super aggressive asshole. ",
"Photoshop ",
"The breed is called a Bagel and they're delicious.",
"Nice Bengal.",
"Can I have?",
"I am extremely allergic to almost all animals. I recently got a Bengal for this reason. I still have a small reaction when he licks me, but in general I don't have any issues. My Bengal is still a kitten, he is cute as shit, but almost more work then my kids.",
"bluntz and blitzen",
"My cousin had a cat like that. Paid $1,500 for it. That cat used to piss on everything. Ruined a couple sets of pool furniture. Rarely cared to be petted. Only cared about pissing, eating, and sleeping. The last straw was pissing on the new crib of his firstborn.\n\nGot rid of it the next day.",
"Quit reposting this you fucking cunts.",
"Purrrrrrrrdy cat",
"even if they ask for a shrubbery?",
"10/10 my cat is jealous.",
"It’s not reverse image search it",
"It’s not, reverse image search it",
"R/supermodelcats",
"Tiger cub",
"I too, do the cat.",
"Im trying to think of one for five\nBut i couldn’t do it to save our lives",
"Bengals are super pretty!\nAlso, super assholes! \n(Source: gf is a vet nurse)",
"Is bengal all the way.",
"Couple of them!",
"He wearin gucci mink ",
"You're right...",
"Its a Bengal ",
"Can haz plz?",
"As a Bengals fan with a Bengal cat, I can tell you that the latter actually delivers.",
"that is a Bengal. i live next door to one. it can jump 8 feet straight up in the air. ",
"If you touch it's paw and say \"nom nom\" 3x you will get whatever you wish for",
"This. This exactly. This is why I love Reddit!",
"A cat like this came into my clinic today. HE WAS SO SOFT! I couldn't believe it.",
"This. This exactly. This is why I love Reddit!",
"Bengals, especially after F1, are not too difficult to handle. Savannahs are a whole different ballgame.",
"Tiger!",
"I’ve always been a dog person, and I’m somewhat allergic to cats. That being said, I’ve always respected cats for having a common ancestor with tigers and lions.\n\nBut this cat? This cat would be worth it.",
"That's a tiger ",
"Lovely ",
"Good dawg :)",
"It's discomforting that you apparently have no integrity or honor for [OC](https://i.imgur.com/dinJYa4.gif)",
"You spent $3500 for a cat? I could get you a kid for that",
"Mine does the back-tapping thing as well. I've had 7 or 8 cats, but had never seen that before. ",
"Tiger*",
"I've met a few Bengals, personally I feel they lack in the personality department but are obviously gorgeous cats. Have had over a dozen street cats and they all have varying personalities and are a heck of a lot more affectionate. ",
"Integrity and honor are best reserved for things in life that actually have any fucking importance whatsoever, like getting an education and not being alone for the rest of your life. Two things you'll need to work on. ",
"And as of now the next post on the frontpage, below this one is a tiger baby... ",
"Maybe but we don't have enough information from this story. We don't know how long ago this was or whether someone could be available to watch a kid. For all we know he was only by himself for 30 minutes before someone came home",
"Now i see what these ancient Egyptians were getting at ",
"I’ve owned two Bengals and I can say they are definitely one of the more independent breeds.",
"\"Kahjit has wares for sale... if you have the coin\"",
"bengals are pretty big! mines 19 lbs (only a little thicc) and easily the largest cat by scale ive ever seen",
"Pretty kitty",
"That cats a Billy Badass",
"id rather have a cat than a kid",
"Some mad scientist is all proud of his teacup tiger experiment being out in the world.",
"bengals have stripes along their arms and legs and tail, and rosettes on their body",
"That’s not a cat that. Damn baby tiger. ",
"Now THAT is a cat",
"thats so cool looking",
"My cat used to sleep on my back. Was great in the winter.",
"Yes! I wanna see Korea. \nEdit: Not Korea, “more”. I’m leaving it. ",
"~~Boots~~ Paws with the fur",
"Very striking features. I have an F3 that looks quite similar, F3 or F4 I'm guessing?",
"Gorgeous. I like the lovely black claws. ",
"Photoshopped\n\nFake and gay",
"Who also rules the house!",
"Mine tried to take down a deer as well. I was outside with him on a leash and caught him right as he took off. I didn't even see the deer standing there. I figured it was a squirrel or something.",
"Who the fuck downvotes a question? Fucker.",
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"As the owner of two cats, all I can say is good boy. That's a good boy. Yes that's a good boy.",
"I wish I could upvote you twice",
"I've only had 1 barf in 3 years between two cats. That one was my fault for letting them eat some smoked ham I dropped on the floor.",
"Normally I'd take offense but since I know that you're some random, assuming, pretentious pos I'll [let it slide](http://i.imgur.com/LpINjb1.gifv)",
"Would you enjoy a can of soda with everyone?",
"This cAt must be expensive af right??",
"I've always wanted to see what would happen if you crossed a Maine Coon and a Savannah cat.",
"Oh Beavis...",
"Fucking hell they're so gorgeous that it hurts.",
"Username checks out",
"I want to get in this mix, so I'll throw out number six",
"It's like a cute n small tiger",
"I have a cat exactly like this, she will ask for anything and everything all night long. She’ll ask for whatever when you walk in the door, she’ll ask for this, that and the other while you’re on the phone with your mother. This cat will ask for it all, she will just call, repeatedly, repeatedly until she gets it all.",
"I have F4 Bengals and uhhh my sister and I are definitely allergic to them. But I love them too much to care 😄",
"That’s a real life Tigerstar if I’ve ever seen one.",
"I'm deathly allergic to cats... and I just inadvertently said out loud \"Holy fuck\" when I saw this picture. Its image possessed me and I couldn't help but be in awe. \n\nAm I going to make it?",
"This is Thor! He's awesome. Follow him on Instagram! @bengalthor",
"I have wares.",
"Beautiful!",
"I'm not a cat person, but I do like this cat.",
"All cats considered.... he’s the representative. What a beauty. ",
"I have two purebreds that were very similarly priced because they were a month over their prime kitten phase (4 months old instead of 3). The fresh litters were definitely priced at 3-5k depending on their coat pattern and shine, and other show qualities.\n\n[Here they are](https://i.imgur.com/kMf7MC6.jpg) posing for their second birthday!",
"Not if you steal them off some old lady's porch.",
"I’d date you - but just so I could play with the cats ",
"Not if you steal them off some old lady's porch.",
"There is more than one way to ask this cat for forgiveness.",
"He can has cheezburger?",
"Goddamn student loans",
"Its almost like its photoshop of something eh?",
"Tell me I'm wrong, but this looks photoshopped to play up a tiger like coat... especially in the arms. Could be wrong! Would be stoked if this was real.",
"Long hair makes a big difference.",
"I think I just turned into a cat person after this photo ",
"Doesn't ask! Just tells. \n",
"I absolutely love bengals they are so purrty",
"Tonight.",
"God I can't imagine spending that much for a cat. I love cats, but I guess I'm not very picky on my cats. I have 3 tuxedo's. I only paid for 1 of them and that was 20 dollars lol.\n\nCuddliest cats ever. My lazy one does nothing but use me as a bed.",
"How did you accomplish that kind of training?",
"The color isn't honest, though.",
"That's a majestic cat",
"Scrolled all the way down for this. I had a Bengal named Montecore. He was a silver marble, so not the same color scheme.... But he always looked more intense in photos than real life. Another friend had a Bengal named JuJu that was a toyger and he genuinely was this intense in color. It all for ends on the generation. ",
"I think you're right, just googled images of both and the toyger pics are dead on.",
"\"May your travels lead to warm sands\"",
"Messaged you.",
"Omg that's a gorgeous cat. What kind is it? Or is this something that randomly happens",
"Not positive but I believe this is Kaiser the Bengal Cat. Check him on YouTube he’s great. ",
"I couldnt think of anything decent past six, so I guess I'll eat a bag of dicks. ",
"And beautiful green eyes! What breed(s)?",
"Which, obv, just proved the point. ;-)\n\n^[It's ^a ^joke, ^ma ^peeps.]",
"He has wares if you have coin",
"Last time this was posted people said it was a photoshop.",
"Yeah, the cat belongs to u/ranicuci\n\nThey made an [Imgur album](https://imgur.com/gallery/B9HLH) that has even more adorable pics! ",
"I thought Bengals were supposed to be hypo-allergenic?",
"http://nedhardy.com/2016/08/29/meet-thor-majestical-bengal-cat-will-ever-lay-eyes/\n",
"Whaaaaaaaat I’ve been looking at these cats and serval cats for the past couple days. Coincidence I’d see a pic here ",
"HypnoCat",
"He woke me up on several occasions, just screaming into the darkness. I swore he was the devil sometimes. Haha",
"Toxoplasmosis is a tigger skin. ",
"Take off your pants",
"With a single beautiful fur",
"i'd give Trump a blowjob for this cat",
"He really liked an old recliner I had, and if I was sitting there he would force himself between me and the side of the chair as hard as he could, and would just stretch, and push against me as hard as he could. No respect for my space!",
"smallcat get off the floor!",
"Thank you for making me snort-laugh. I read this in the Wicked Witch’s voice.",
"Still expensive breed I think",
"gorgeous bengal!! i love their colours. i have a cat which i think is part bengal, he got the gray marble coat instead. is yours extra chatty too??",
"And eyes",
"Khajiit guards your back. ",
"Needs a nail trim. This cat probably goes to a salon.",
"I've never wanted a domesticated tiger kitty so bad in all of my life. ",
"My cat is 11, two years ago now we got a new kitten male and since then ended up with a mini clone of the second male a year to the day later, and the new boys have perked the elder up quite a bit. He runs around with them like he is their age. I honestly never thought they would get along but now Ill find him sharing his chair with them curled up together.",
"My experience is that female cats are the worst. I feel they always have that instinct that every other cat is a danger.",
"And \"Be sure to clean that poop out of my box if you don't mind\". ",
"This is bengalthor on instagram. He’s fucking beautiful.",
"Im convinced i now need a cat but thats the only one id pick. ",
"How big is your cat?",
"Definitely. I remember a lot more puke with our medium-long hair kitty.\n\nThe indoor canned formulas with more fiber seem to help as well.",
"Yeah I'm beautiful, the fucks it to ya? ",
"Which one is the beautiful fur? Frankly, all the fur look beautiful to me.",
"^ some guys will do anything for pussy",
"It's gorgeous, but I really don't like breeding animals for looks and then charging a fortune for them. ",
"Word gets around amongst the cats.",
"Username checks out.",
"I hope this is as close to bestiality as I'll ever get. This cat is stirring odd feelings in me.",
"who saved who :_(",
"I have a beyond crippling phobia of cats\n\nAs a kid my mom wanted to send me to Maury, Springer, whoever was doing the obscure fears shows in the 90’s...\n\nI have to admit that the phobia has effected every day life for me, and has been severe since I was about 7 (I’m 29). \n\nThe (excessive) amount of cat pics/gifs on reddit don’t bother/scare me...but obviously not my cup of tea...\n\nThis cat though....\n\nThis is a really good looking cat...",
"Plainly put, badass",
"Gorgeous!!!!",
"That sounds about right, we got both of ours for $750 each, and both came at a discount ",
"Hey, you're a poet.\n\nAnd you don't even know it.",
"Is this photo altered? This cat is gorgeous!",
"I loved Kharjo because he was the only NPC who was worried about you and told you to stay safe instead of retreiving his amulet.(IIRC)",
"I've tried finding pictures of this, to no avail. I imagine it'd look beautiful.",
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"That’s one nice fucking kitty right there...",
"Bred",
"Babou?!\n\n\n\n*He remembers me!*",
"Our Bengal is really easy. She just lumps around most of the day. She’ll go outside and play with the chooks for a while then go lay on the trampoline. When she wants something she will go flop on the kids laps and look all cute until they throw food at her. She isn’t needy at all. ",
"Yeah, my parents paid $800 for their pure breed Maine Coon. \n\nJokes on them. I rescued mine for $90. There's is dumb as a rock, and mine can follow basic commands (sit, stay, no)\n\nI know it's common for people to say they rescued a Maine Coon. My vet even said \"I get people all the time saying they rescued a Maine Coon, but I think this is the first time it's true\". I don't think he is pure, but more Maine Coon than anything else.\n\n[pics!](https://imgur.com/a/hbGbN)",
"/r/cats ",
"he will ask it loud as fuck 40 times a day. also he will alert you loudly and act like a cunt for 30 mins every time he needs to shit.\n\nsource: i have a bengal",
"\"A beautiful fur\"?\n\nInteresting way to say that.",
"Its color is photoshopped on. \n\nSorry. ",
"[Here you go!](https://imgur.com/X8aOWwY)",
"🙏🏻",
"I read that as “I have half a Bengal cat”. Made for a very different mental picture...",
"That’s a fucking tiger",
"this cat is turning me on",
"Tiny tiger! ",
"How much for just the fur?",
"I'd stop to buy his wares.",
"LOL\n",
"ITS A TIGR! RN BEFOR U DI!",
"Bills fan here. Thanks again. Dalton 4 prez.",
"\"Change Agent\" Daniel Suarez \nhas toyger mentioned in it.\n\nhttps://books.google.bg/books?id=nHS9DAAAQBAJ&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq=change+agent+toyger&source=bl&ots=GBKa0USodR&sig=8k_YAJvZIt1C_UGoTVGqaXoc9D8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiB6Ya62czYAhWJVSwKHVEJATQQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=change%20agent%20toyger&f=false",
"Bangers and mash",
"> I'd do anything this cat asks.\n\nUh, it’s like that with *every* cat.",
"Aren’t these expensive kitties?",
"you cant really see from the photo imo. he looks like a clone of my bengal if mine sat like that, face looks identical and my cat is stripy with rosettes on the body. \n\nid post a photo but apparently its beyond impossible to download pictures from someone elses instagram these days",
"NL prices but mine cost 1000 euro (bengal) \nto breed it you pay about 3 or 4x the price i believe",
"Bengals don't often get that large. \n\nMy lady weighs 7.8lbs",
"Forget the fur...those eyes!",
"Neat!",
"Yeah, kitty know it is the very shit. ",
"Wow. That is a very beautiful cat. ",
"Would look hella Cool if it had Bold Black Claws",
"The rule that I've heard for Bengals is get an F4. F3 and lower require a lot more attention and can be more of a hassle. My F4 Bengal was one of the most lovely cats that I've ever met.\n\n[RIP Sophie](https://imgur.com/a/1SQLI)",
"As beautiful as these cats are, I have a hard time justifying spending hundreds of dollars for a tabby cat with a different color pallet.",
"Cigar and a waffle?",
"I would name him Rajah (from Aladdin). :)",
"repost!",
"Not everyone lives in the USA. This is normal for.example in the Philippines. Most neighbors are relatives and we can just run to them. I don't know about 5 years old tho",
"Roommate left his cat when he was evicted.\n\nCat didn't care. Actually started being social. We adopted each other for a couple months.\n\nThen I moved in to a house, and got a dog. Cat didn't chill with my as often, since the dog likes to fuck with him, but he still chills. They both greet me when I get home from work.",
"right, bengal is <12lbs\n\nServal < 18-40lbs\n\nSavanna < 8-20lbs",
"I found my dude at the SPCA....",
"Damn... All these expensive cats, but i adopted mine as a 2 month kitten in the street[](http://imgur.com/ZpNMzDf.jpg)",
"The khajit caravan people were so polite too! Also j’zargo was a pretty cool follower to have ",
"Oh my...so gorgeous! ",
"No, sex panther",
"Definitely cute, but Bengals, even F4 generation ones, still harbor many of their wild ancestor's traits. I've known 3 people who own them, and if you attempt to make them indoor only cats they are very destructive. However they are so expensive that most owners wouldn't dare let them outside. Long story short is if you have this cat then be content not having nice things. ",
"The wonderful thing about Tigger",
"I'll take two",
"Unfortunately, this cat leads a life of crime in order to pay for it's skooma addiction. ",
"Bengals look nothing like that.\n\nEdit:spelling",
"BAD kitty! \n\n",
"It's not a bengals. Bengals have leopard like spots, toy gers have tickings and stripes. ",
"Thats a miniature tiger you got there OP. Not a cat. It might look like a cat. But don't be fooled by appearences.",
"Right? I'm sitting here with my hobo cats, too!",
"It's a toyger and not nearly as expensive. ",
"You'll choke and go to heaven, perhaps after dick number seven?",
"It's not a bengals. It's a toyger. ",
"Is it a miniature tiger or are tigers just deluxe cats?",
"I guess you have never owned a cat before.",
"It is a Bengal, I had the [same](https://youtu.be/KsL51vHB_lk)..",
"This miniature house tiger, you mean?",
"Because bengals are half wild cat and need a TON of work and attention to *not* be miserable (which turns them into aggressive assholes).\n\nI can almost guarantee that if they played with that cat to the point of exhaustion every day, panting and all (like the breed requires), everyone would be much happier!",
"I Found a bengal kitten in the snow out front just over a year ago now who looks just like that.\n\nBest damn cat ive ever had but holy hell am i glad i got him for free.",
"And I bet he's awesome! Rescues ftw!",
"Does she really have stripes like a tiger? Frome the pattern I would say it's clearly a toyger",
"It's a bread called toyger especially designed to look like a tiger ",
"Isn’t that Beavis? Anthony Cumin’s cat?",
"Iam pretty sure it's not a bengal but a toyger ",
"I would say that is *** beautifurrr...***",
"Not gonna lie, I'm not even a cat person, but that is the prettiest cat I have ever seen.",
"Yours looks like a domestic long hair IMO. Either that or a very badly bred marine coone with diluted blood. ",
"Dem eyes.",
"Toygers are so pretty.",
"there have been some color levels and saturation adjustments in PhotoShop.\n",
"Please tell me it has a grander name than tigger. Can't stand over used pet names. This cat needs a title like 'Master Tobias' or if you want to be unoriginal 'Shere Kharn'",
"Looks khajit.",
"And he’s beautiful ",
"That's clearly a high maintenance cat.",
"My cat used to sleep on my head, I'd wake up with him licking my hair the same way he'd clean his fur.",
"I found my dude under my car one morning. Covered in fleas and missing half his tail. He’s fucking awesome. Loves to talk and is a super cuddler. My half lab stray is a little jealous that this little cat has taken over her bed. They get along great though. ",
"What kind of cat is this? ",
"Same here! My bengal looks exactly like yours but mine is 7 months . 3000 (500 off bc he has a kink in his tail) lol \n\nhttps://m.imgur.com/a/IzEPh",
"Where and how does one acquire a tiger kitty ",
"It's a Bengal. ",
"gotta keep em saturated.",
"Maybe, but I'm going to go with the vets assessment. Like I said, I don't believe he is pure Maine Coon, but as I've had 3 other Maine Coons he certainly has the looks, size (20lbs), and personality of one.",
"I hope it lives a long, healthy, happy life and that I am notified when that life ends because I'd like a beautiful little rug.",
"Oooohh a bengal...",
"[!redditbronze](https://i.imgur.com/B5oibC6.png)",
"Aunt had one, he was a spoiled asshole.",
"sweet",
"What type of cat is this?",
"Yo man that is a cool cat ",
"Bangla Bubu. ",
"Thank you ☺️",
"wow. thank god I always check karmadecay.",
"As a Bengal (kitten) owner I gotta say, my cat never stops wanting attention. Doesn't matter if we have spent 24 hours together, he will always want to play, talk, cuddle or at the very least sleep next to me. He lives for attention, and this is true for most Bengals I've heard/read about.",
"Shmelting?",
"I zoomed in and it for better 😯",
"I think he wants Mowgli",
"I thought I recognized him! I'm not much of a follower on instagram, but happened upon that page one day and now follow multiple bengal pages. He's such a beauty! ",
"Those paws look very tiger-y!",
"It's a Bengal. We have one (not as pretty as this one). They are truly awesome cats. Bengals are a cross between a [Asian Leopard cat](https://www.bengalcats.co/asian-leopard-cat-felis-bengalensis/) and an American Short-hair. So there's truly wild cat in them.\n\nI firmly believe everyone should own a Bengal as least once in their life. ",
"What a fine lookin' pussy.",
"The real tiger!",
"If this cat isn't named Hobbes, someone made an enormous mistake.",
"I want a bengal",
"Crazy gorgeous eyes too!",
"Is it's name Becky?",
"Ridiculously photogenic kitty.",
"Toyger, boyning broyght?",
"And at that shiny celestial gate, to judge you comes dick number eight.",
"Oh my god, it's majestic!!!!! Eyegasm!",
"For immortality would you answer one question for the fate of the rest of humanity?",
"A truly majestic beauty! Sadly your parent's expensive purchase doesn't hold a candle to your guy!",
"Just an spca kitty. I believe she’s a silver smoke calico. ",
"So what's in the basement. I'm dangerously bored.",
"Does this seem a bit photoshoped or color enhanced to anyone? It just seems a bit blurry and off.",
"Jerk.",
"I want one of those.",
"Did u REALLY ask like 9 times or is this another glitch in the matrix??",
"I care ❤️",
"Well, no not really. But saying NOBODY cares is really fucking rude so I care a little meow is that better 😸",
"Cats are weird. Mine love coming up the field to feed the horses with me in sub zero temperatures, but most of the time they just ignore me.",
"You all have weird drinking traditions, but also have lots of cats around; so that balances my visit to Amsterdam out!",
"I have a bengal. She's tiny. Like half the size of my regular sized mix, 2.6kg (~5 lbs) \nShe's still only a few months old, but so is the other kitty",
"Bengal cat not a toyger. These are hybrid cats, which means that they not strictly a domestic cat but a cross between a jungle living Asian leopard cat and a domestic cat. Their personalities are just as awesome as they look.",
"If this cat’s name is not Tigger im gonna have to be super dissapointed.",
"He's a Bengal. @bengalthor on Instagram ",
"absolutely does not exist ",
"This cats got attitude and I love it.",
"He has a gorgeous single piece of fur",
"Why? It's not even purple.",
"It does look like a small tiger. Very beautiful looking cat that I wish to have as my pet companion. ",
"Antonio Banderas, that you? ",
"Just the one, though.",
"Yes, over a hypersaturated Bengal",
"Thanks. Laughed so hard, I cried.",
"I don't even like cats but yeah that's a purr-dy cat. ",
"I'M SO PURRRRDY!",
"Looks like a tamed tiger",
"Cats. Love em, but they aren't pets. They own us",
"Happy Cake Day!",
"Happy Cake Day!! ",
"What breed is this?",
"Goooood Anacat, gooood.\nTo cheat death is a power only one has acheived, but if we work together - I know we could discover its secrets.",
"Creed is king. ",
"I think it's a bengal :)",
"It only looks big because the camera is so close.",
"You might want to remove your December 14th countdown popup there, Champ.",
"Magnificat. ",
"Some big animal hospitals have cats that live on sight that give blood, and they are always neutered males. Neutered males tend to get along much better than females cats.",
"That's a good cat.",
"From my experience it's \"let me sit here. i love you hooman.\"",
"I'd fuck that cat. ",
"Not op's cat, it's thor, an Instagram star",
"What an adorable Toyger 😻",
"That can actually be harmful. I have a cat that exclusively lives outside pretty much (he's free to come and go as he pleases). We feed them in regular intervals. By feeding my cat, you skew his sense of home and ruin his feeding intervals such that he either might get overweight or be active as times that aren't suitable. At some point or another, he may even abandon coming back entirely. You might try to make an argument that since he's not coming to my home, then I'm clearly treating him inadequately. But that argument holds no weight. A child will always choose candy over vegetables, you aren't a bad person by denying candy because they don't eat vegetables. \n\nMy point being, unless you're for sure the cat is a stray, please do not feed cats that don't belong to you. If you feel the cat is being abused, you'd do better to report it to animal services than to give it pity hospitality. ",
"That's a stoater of a cat.",
"ROFL",
"Looks like a mini tiger I like it ",
"but it has an ugly black&silver tail",
"Thank you! Have yourself a merry day",
"Yeah he’s such a cool dude.",
"Much like a tiger‘s fur.",
"Not all, my Bengal is stripey but most of his litter had rosettes",
"Can confirm.\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/2dhxH89.jpg",
"What the actual fuck\n\nI said she’s a bitch, not some horrible beast.",
"That's what I do for my normal ugly cat. ",
"*\"Be careful. I miss my amulet, but a life cannot be replaced as easily.\"* - Kharjo",
"I think if one is looking for a cat to play with and look at, they are wonderful, but I've yet to meet a super cuddly Bengal. I'm guessing most house cats cross bred with wild cats will be this way, as they are less domesticated. ",
"It looks like it jumped out of national geographics HD edition.",
"That's not him lol. ",
"What breed is that?",
"He looks nothing like one, other than having lone fur. Maine Coones have ear tufts and a face set that your cat doesn't have.\n\nI worked in a shelter where the vet said any long haired and big cat was a Maine Coone. They're usually wrong because most vets don't have to know cat breeds. ",
"Looks like a Bengal.",
"[More pics here](http://social-media.yudo.it/?g=POST/Messaggi/media/Tiger-Cat-from-bengalaThor-is-a-Bengal-cat-but-what-sets-him)",
"My Bengal is around 84.6% Bengal IIRC. But he's ginger instead with these patterns. His son looks almost identical this lovely kitty. ",
"We should breed it for the fur coat industry...",
"To be fair, if I met any cat that stated talking, I'd feel compelled to do as it said...",
"Your face bores me, so wear a bag over your head",
"I got dibs on next month repost!",
"Happy cake day",
"It's a little tiger.",
"I know I was just being silly. :)",
"Nope. I got them from Rising Sun",
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"True dat. I never had a cat until a few months ago, and ever since then whenever I see footage of big cats catting around I marvel at how similarly they behave to housecats.",
"It's most certainly him. The profile pic for the account is even the posted picture.",
"They're called tigers. ",
"I think these cats are like 20k $ for one or smt lol",
"Well, he made me around $10,000 per litter. ",
"There are no rules. \n\nNot aware of any *law* that lists a specific age.",
"Why not adopt a rescue kitten instead?",
"Lol knowing cats that’s probably true. And knowing my old cat, she was definitely grimacing. ",
"Agreed",
"Most interesting cat in the world?",
"Looks like color enhanced big time. It still has awesome colors i bwt thoigh",
"Who Dey!",
"Bring me the head of the dog. I want his puppies DEAD! I want his bitch DEAD!",
"I would do anything for this cat ",
"Yeah but that's not as funny of a joke is it now? ",
"Yet its a toyger and his insta was already provided in another comment that certainly linked to his page. ",
"Gawwrgeous",
"It's not a toyger, this cat has spots.\n\nAnd it's literally named Thor the Bengal.",
"How much land do you have?\n",
"If this is a toyger, it's just a domestic cat, and there's no F1.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/QHscMam4W7s?t=8m45s\n\n> It's not gonna work, means you can't breed with Tigers, so Judy Sugden created toygers by selectively breeding domestic cats.",
"Well, that makes sense why it doesn't look like a bengal. I didn't even know that was a breed of cat before this thread. ",
"Just like Rihanna!, they even look the same.\nMay be worth the same amount of conversation.",
"Looks photo shopped ",
"[You can check more pics here](http://social-media.yudo.it/?g=POST/Messaggi/media/Tiger-Cat-from-bengalaThor-is-a-Bengal-cat-but-what-sets-him) is a Bengal cat, he's colors are real.",
"wow ",
"Wtb.",
"Unless you own a husky, then you are fucked both ways",
"There is a shot you just gave some bored programmer an idea for a reddit bot. ",
"[Our pure bred, former breeder](https://imgur.com/a/pNnbj) has both stripes and spots. I have seen that Bengals can be all stripes, or all spots, or a myriad of combinations. OP's is a a lot younger and the colours are much more vivid, but the colouring is pretty much the same.",
"**C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER**",
"Isn't it a stereotype that dutch people have no sense of humor?",
"Thank you. I was scrolling forever until I found out what kind of cat that was.",
"Melted laundry",
"Tigress\n",
"Kung fu panda",
"Kung fu panda",
"Not in California at least. It's more like a case by case basis on the maturity level of the child. A lot of kids are latchkey kids (walk right home after school and stay inside until the parent(s) get home). At 10 you're usually old enough to take care of yourself for a couple hours.",
"Best I can do is $5.",
"Yes it looks like one. ",
"This would be my hobbes. ",
"This is Thor the Bengal, I follow him on Instagram and own one myself. Check yoself fool.",
"That's a vicious tiger.",
"What cat is this?",
"I've had an F3 Savannah for 3 years now and she's the best animal I've ever owned.\n\n",
"Where did you get a picture of my Mimi? ;) Beautiful cat. I think this cat's name is Thor.",
"Yeah, that's [Thor](https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=thor+the+bengal+cat&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj2z4uW983YAhUpCsAKHc_OAnwQsAQIPw) the Bengal. ",
"[He wants to sit on your face.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vKpfKbd1Do)",
"This cat looks more important than me.",
"You are an awesome person. ",
"This cat looks more important than you.",
"Back off man, only I can loathe myself.",
"Back on man, only You can loathe yourself.",
"there's no way this cat is this orange, there has to be some manipulation going on",
"some manipulation that take [entire internet](https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=thor+the+bengal+cat&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X)",
"Extremely disappointed this wasn't already a subreddit. ",
"Beautiful cat!",
"Ah thanks dude. You too!",
"Beautiful eyes\nI am new here and check my photography and advise me:\nhttps://redd.it/7pi9d7",
"Ah I see. Such a beautiful creature. Thx a lot for your answer!",
"A high quality bengal, which this cat appears to be, could most definitely be this orange. Look up Bengal Cat World on Facebook (if you use FB) for more information ",
"The beyonce of cats",
"one of mine also has a kink in their tail, like an L shape right at the tip. apparently pretty common among bengals. doesnt bother him at all but sometimes it seems like he has no feeling in his tail, haha. you could step on it and he wouldnt even notice. ",
"some people prefer breeder animals because they are much healthier (depending on the breed; true for bengals), and often come with insurance from the breeder if the pet gets sick or has any kind of birth defect found down the road. bengals are also hypoallergenic and dont shed much at all. Anyway if you're going to adopt a rescue, adopt an adult or elderly cat instead! kittens are always adoptable and popular, adults and elderly cats often get looked over and ignored even though theyre just as if not more affectionate as kittens.",
"Same! He doesnt even notice . ",
"I have come to the conclusion that cats use litter-boxes not because they are fastidious creatures, but because they think it is something you wish to keep clean.\n\n \n \"Fuck yo Feng Shui bullshit.\"\n- cat",
"Tigerclaw?",
"That’s a grey tabby with orange tint photoshopped on. The M on the brow is the tell.",
"Looks like a mini tiger I like it ",
"Tell me I'm wrong, but this looks photoshopped to play up a tiger like coat... especially in the arms. Could be wrong! Would be stoked if this was real.",
"If you own a bengals you'd know that they have rosettes and not mackrel like stripes, you fool. ",
"Link the Instagram. I looked at every thro the bengals insta and did not find this picture. It's a toyger and it's painfully obvious to anyone with two eyes. Not every exotic is a bengal",
"You can be [more sure checking online](https://www.google.it/search?q=thor+cat+bengala&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=firefox-b&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X)",
"[Thousands of photoshopped images?](https://www.google.it/search?q=thor+cat+bengala&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=firefox-b&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X)",
"Instagram links get automod'd.\n\n[It's literally the main profile picture. And you can see it's spots in the middle picture. It's not a Toyger.](https://i.imgur.com/WsMXwoW.png)\n\nYou're awfully adamant for someone who is wrong.",
"I do own one and their rosettes appear to be stripes on the front legs. Again, the cat in this post probably has more Instagram followers (@bengalthor) than you, and guess what, he’s a Bengal!",
"Looks like a mini tiger I like it ",
"Lovely ",
"Lol he’s wrong every where I’ve looked he just loves arguing with people ",
"I've had an F3 Savannah for 3 years now and she's the best animal I've ever owned.\n\n",
"your training as a redditor is now complete. congratulations.",
"Tiger*",
"Bangla Bubu. ",
"It's a Bengal. We have one (not as pretty as this one). They are truly awesome cats. Bengals are a cross between a [Asian Leopard cat](https://www.bengalcats.co/asian-leopard-cat-felis-bengalensis/) and an American Short-hair. So there's truly wild cat in them.\n\nI firmly believe everyone should own a Bengal as least once in their life. ",
"Beautiful eyes, as well.",
"I would do anything for this cat ",
"Damn it’s one beautiful cat",
"Came back here a week later to give you my upvote.\n\nThat guy's a real jerk.",
"How do you get one of these!?",
"Search for [Bengal cat](https://www.google.it/search?q=bengal+cat&newwindow=1&safe=off&client=firefox-b&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X)",
"I don't think this is a Bengal.... It is a toyger",
"So what kind of cat is this???? ",
"Beautiful cat! :)"
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"Yes, this is my shot! It is currently raining a lot in my area, but I found an opportunity where it settled down for a bit and took it to the skies :] If you would like to see more of my work you can find me on IG @vdao"
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"Behold: The \"Kessel Run Millennium Falcon\"",
"Looks better than the original.",
"yeah. nah. But that's your opinion and that's ok. :) ",
"They had to make it look newer since it's the young solo version.",
"It's just a variant on the YT-1300 series.",
"I am not so concerned about the \"newer\" look, just the bit between the prongs. I think that in the EU canon, the notch was to interlock into containers in dock for shunting cargo. Is the bit in there a shuttle? A smaller cargo pod? I am interested to find out. It also seems weird that the film comes out in May and we have seen ZERO promotional material about it. I smell a delay announcement.",
"Why exactly would this get downvotes ??\n",
"True. It'll be to soon after the last Jedi if the new movie is suppose to be the waiting year movie. I'll have a look into it as well tomorrow. Keeps me occupied at work for an hour or 2 haha ",
"All I want is a new Kenobi movie with Ewan MacGregor, and a billion souls will cry out in ecstasy as a billion memes are born.",
"I read something about that too. Would be awesome if that one does come out. But to be honest they could make 100s of star wars side movies. Knowing it's Disney now. They'll probably make them.",
"It must be an AU Millennium Falcon.",
"no...no it doesn't",
"Yes...yes it does.\n\nHow long shall we do this?"
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"I'm sure after much thought, she'll change her mind and screw the American people again, like she's done on healthcare and tax cuts.",
"She also voted for the tax bill. Fuck her.\n\nEdit: Holy airbrush batman",
"When was that picture taken?",
"Yeah, let's not look at a candidate based on their willingness to compromise and cross the aisle. They always have to be uncompromising on our side of the aisle or to hell with them! /s\n\nYou are part of the problem.",
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"The tax bill is awesome. I'm saving money.",
"But also the bill is terrible. I'm still losing money",
"Or you could look at a (candidate?) Senator's willingness to listen to her constituents instead of falling in line with party politics.",
"Are you from a SALT state? I don't have state income tax, or high property taxes. ",
"You mean like she did when she supported the CRA, or opposed repeal of the ACA, or when she was willing to support Sen. Baucus's version of the ACA before the Democrats chose to tank the Baucus proposal for the fucked up ACA we have now that had no Republican support?\n\nThere is not a Senator on either side of the aisle more willing to cross the aisle than Sen Collins. That makes your comments not only partisan based but also completely uninformed. ",
"What's your take on her obvious cave in the tax bill, let alone the fact that she conveniently \"overlooked\" the addition of a giant loophole for S corps in the process?"
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"Wow! It's almost as if there are good people in the world, and the shitty people just get more publicity... Not meaning to detract from this post though, that is a awesome thing. ",
"Pardon my ignorance. A what?",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze",
"A Muslim Israeli?",
"Why would anyone risk their life to save some paper. ",
"Druze is not muslim.",
" Imagine its the Magna Carta or the American constitution",
"Imagine it is a just one of thousands of copies of the Magna Carta or the Constitution. ",
"They are considered holy items though, not my bag but if they follow and believe in them then I would value them equally as long as it hurt nobody else.",
"It's not a mass produced book. Each one is a unique handmade treasure. See \"production\" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Torah",
"Each one is a handmade treasure, actually https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sefer_Torah",
"I don’t think this makes him a good or bad person. It just indicates that he’s religious enough to risk his life for his religion’s holy books. So what?",
"No material item, no matter how rare or expensive, is worth risking one's life. Now, the headline could be sensationalized, which from the pic, it looks like it is. So, if the scrolls could be safely rescued, then good for him for getting them. ",
"It's still just a bunch of words on paper. Nothing worth risking your life over. ",
"Some Italian troops asked the Germans in WW2 to cease fire as the barracks they were in were culturally significant. They moved out and started fighting again afterwards. \n\nMight of been Pisa.\n\n Cant find a link though to clarify.\n\n Some peoples value religion, nation or culture above their own lives",
"Some people think Trump is a good president. ",
"So Chinese?",
"I imagine you sit and be smug. But like constantly.",
"I imagine you picking random words and trying to make sentences.",
"Yeah dumbass, that's what people do.",
"No, generally people try to arrange relevant words in a cohesive and logical order to convey an idea. ",
"brah brah, your vocab. too much. i submit. your four inches is mighty.",
"You're esposedta put it at the base, then lie to women.",
"He is Druze, not Jewish. The point is that it is not HIS religious book. He risked his life for another religion's holy book which is what is commendable and remarkable. The Torah scroll usually takes at least a year to write by hand and may be very old with a unique and precarious history. Not easily replaceable though neither is his life. Very precious but so is his life. ",
"Nobody said you had to agree with them, just understand they value strong words instead of truth or integrity.",
"not much",
"druze israelis serve in the army.\nglad to see our holy torah safe"
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Last week, when a synagogue in Israel was on fire, a fireman that risked his life and ran into the flames to save the Torah scrolls was a Druze Israeli.
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"might not be so bad.... unless its filled with broccoli and cauliflower... ",
"Lucky for us the candy that came out of it completely distracted her from Pinky Pies head swing from our ceiling.",
"By a headphone cable?",
"At least she died as she lived: the life of the party"
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My daughter turned 5 today and loves My Little Pony. My wife and I didn't realize how morbid the piñata would be after she was done with it.
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[
"There's no way this was an accident. ",
"Haha, yeah, I figured I should explain that. I was trying to just get the rainbow ice because the ice changed colors every 20-ish seconds. I was waiting in line so I just put my phone up in the air over the people in front of me, aiming toward the ice on the right. They started posing like this at around the same time, and I didn't aim as well as I hoped haha.",
"Yet if you tried for the perfect shot they would have moved. Love the accidentals.",
"Haha yeah, exactly! \n\nto be honest, I'm not into PDA or stuff like that so I wouldn't have ever purposely tried to get this either, especially of strangers, so the accidental nature of it is the only reason it exists ",
"Totally understand, but still a really amazing shot. You have no reason not to be proud. ",
"\"Accidentally\"",
"Thank you!",
"/u/fairlyuncool, thank you for your submission! Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule IV - Title violates title guidelines.\n\nYour title must not ask for general information or feedback. \n\nYou can read the full information about our title guidelines at /r/pics/w/titles\n\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/fairlyuncool&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7patay/i_accidentally_took_this_picture_of_this_couple/?context=10\\))",
"As someone who doesn't like PDA and such, I would never even attempt to get a picture like this, especially of strangers. Good timing and bad aim on my part. After I took this one I took another in which I aimed higher, but still got them in it haha. I just have bad overhead aim!",
"Ahh. Thought you were saying you accidentally took a picture. "
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I accidentally took this picture of this couple at the Ice Castles in Dillon, Colorado. I'd love for it to find its way to them!
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[
"You can clearly see he's waving to me ",
"What kind of abomination is that?! ",
"Looks like some kind of jumping spider. They can actually be pretty entertaining to watch minus the creepy crawly spider part. ",
"Maybe watch from a distance. With a flame thrower. You know for safety. ",
"So long as that spider remains outside, he’s a spiderbro. You bring your 8 little hairy legs inside my house and you’re dead. ",
"\nBut don't burn house to [kill it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7parcs/man_burns_down_his_home_trying_to_kill_a_spider/)",
"I just realized I misspelled 'took' 😐"
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This little spider just sat outside my window so I tool a picture of it
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[
"How much does it weigh?",
"What is it, the manga set?",
"Yeah, all six volumes and an art book all hardcover.",
"According to Amazon 9.24kg",
"Thanks for taking the time to write that out when a simple downvote would have been more efficient.",
"TETSUO! ",
"I wish the box could scream it at me every time it was opened. It's really the only thing lacking from the set",
"I read the manga once and it was even better than the movie. Just wish it was in color. ",
"This will be my first time reading passed volume one so I'm pretty excited, I've been a fan of the movie ever since seeing it at way too young an age and have been very curious to see where the story goes after where the movie ends.",
"Sweeeeeeet ",
"> 9.24kg\n\nHe was having trouble carrying 20 pounds?",
"He had more than likely been waiting a while for the shitty elevator in my building to take him up to me on the 14th floor. I answered the door to him being like \"Amazon! *hnnnnnnng* here ya go!\" "
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I swear the Amazon delivery guy was gonna have an aneurysm carrying this thing
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"Miss it so much! Did you hike all the way through, or in and out?",
"This was just a day hike with some friends, we all live fairly close to the area. It was to nice of a day this time of year not to go out(:",
"Straighten the dang pic, dude. ",
"I'll make sure all pics are straightened to your liking from now onwards Lord Eustace(;"
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Taken on a hike in the lost coast of California.
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"Oof!",
"True, finally youll be able to get rid of this ugly car",
"That may be the only silver lining haha",
"Dang those are discontinued too"
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Good start to the new year..
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"That's ~~good~~ perfection ",
"haha aw thanks man!",
"With a forrest that dark, I'm waiting for a clown to pop out",
"Is that a spaceman helmet?",
"yeess :)",
"Awesome. ",
"great job!",
"thanks ninja!",
"At first glance, I thought this was a picture you took. This is amazing!",
"I love when that happens! Have an awesome night and thank yoU!",
"I really enjoy the leaves/sky? background. It looks like a cool splatter that adds a natural randomness. Spaceman helmet is also dope!",
"Why is the forest so dark compared to the rest of the painting? And what does the helmet mean? Genuinely curious.",
"I instantly recognized your style from a previous post of your work. Excellent. I love how you use light and color.",
"I feel so awesome everytime somebody says that. Thanks so much friend !",
"thank you!!",
"For some reason it makes me feel warm",
"I love that, thanks for saying so!",
"wow, i’m lovin this!\ntree canopies almost resemble stars against the black trunks, i hope that’s what you were going for! given the space helmet. lol\nnice!",
"its making me think of calvin and hobbes. like an old toy on a bench that they left behind long ago.",
"Are you familiar with the Jason Mraz song, \"waiting for my rocket to come\"?\nInstantly thought of it. ",
"The pure black between the trees is giving me anxiety. ",
"<3 I would buy this ",
"What size is this and where do you sell your art?",
"everything i've got i toss up at www.flookart.com :) they're usually around 16\" x 20\"",
"Awesome! Thanks! "
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"Still Waiting" A painting I just finished.
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[
"leave that house",
"Marry her",
"My friend has the same one",
"Who this guy? This guys a big time asshole.",
"wat",
"Dude and or dudette, c'mon! You gotta know your Goldblum's. Go watch Life Aquatic. that's Alistair Hennesey... he's a big time asshole. Hogs up all the grant money. "
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My proudest moment in my girlfriend’s bathroom.
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[
"That's badass! Is this your work?",
"This is very cool hombre",
"Maintained and protected by the Tet Corporation.",
"If only it could stay like that all the time...",
"r/natureasmetal",
"It is so not cool.",
"It's hot?",
"Nice",
"Roses are red, petals are grey....you are so beautiful....I have something to say...",
"Durnik?",
"Are you gay?",
"It's lit",
"After a night of drinking and taco bell...",
"Nope....just thought I would toss up a poem for the lovely rose",
"Oh I thought you were trying to go for a rhymes with grey and say",
"I was....but for the beauty of the rose"
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Metal rose with a red hot center
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"This post should go through the roof. ",
"Someone needs to give that Ford Fusion a good wash...",
"That tree needs a trim."
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My apartment building is one big upvote!
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"I think they want you to reply with\nD: or ): or :) or :D",
"/u/sutto85, thank you for your submission! Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule I - No pictures with added/superimposed digital elements.\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/sutto85&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pb5ia/the_idiocracy_future_is_coming_this_was_in_an/?context=10\\))",
"Can't answer now! Go 'way! 'batin'!"
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The 'Idiocracy' future is coming. this was in an email.
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/r/pics/comments/7pb6t7/the_room_im_staying_in_has_a_peculiar_floor_motif/
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"It's probably very old. Prior to the rise of Naziism, the swastika was a common motif, with no particular hatefulness attached to it.",
"Meh. It's a fylfot, or running wheel. It's been a motif in design for way longer than there have been Nazis. ",
"r/accidentalswastika\n",
"It's a Fylfot, or running wheel. It's been a design motif for far longer than there have been Nazis.",
"!dreambot",
"Indeed, it's a symbol of Buddhism. It's a shame that the Nazi party made it have such a negative connotation."
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The Room i'm staying in has a... peculiar floor motif
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"Well, [you could at least go down.](https://gph.is/28Uxbi0) ",
"I think you have to get a running start here and use momentum, and a wheelie to get all the way up, and hope you’re going fast enough to get over the stairs... seems perfectly reasonable!",
"When you use a 4-wheeler instead of a wheel chair. ",
"I looks like there's just a little ladder at the top. xD",
"Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!",
"aaaaaAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa"
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At least they tried
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"Yeah, nice neighborhood if it wasn't for all the damned vampires.",
"Sweet, looks like you are about to get a deal on this house",
"Looks fine. They obviously love Jesus",
"But Passover doesn't start until the end of March!\n",
"Just walk away...",
"That’s blood of the prior neighbor across the street. Run dude",
"https://i.imgur.com/a77jgQY.gifv"
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Trying to buy a house, and this was across the street from one I was looking at.
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"That's wild ",
"Now you have me wanting some chicken fried chicken.\n",
"They should travel around to different Cracker Barrel’s and put up similar pictures.",
"I don't get it. Why is this picture ridiculous? What an I missing?",
"Lookit mah taint! Lookit it!",
"Brad's wife didn't care if you hung up a goof or two",
"Sorry, it’s kind of hard to see with the glare. One of them is wearing a high school graduation gown while holding a metal frying pan for no reason while wearing a backwards cowboy hat, they all have photoshopped facial hair, and one is holding a wooden mallard. Somehow it all ended up looking somewhat believable.",
"Isn't that Jebediah Phoul and his gang, the Hardly Boys?",
"My local Applebee's had sports pictures from the local schools and me and the boys were going to frame a picture of us shirtless at a sand volleyball court and see if anyone would notice, but they closed down before we could ",
"How bout some of them chicken and dumplings bah gahd",
"No, the same picture.",
"This is great. I love you. ",
"\"Hey, Bill, how's the knick-knackery going for the new Cracker Barrel in Steubensville?\"\n\n\"It's OK, but there's one frustrating thing: our decoration supplier says they don't carry the picture of the three guys with mustaches.\"\n\n\"What, since when?\"\n\n\"They say they *never* carried it, our rep says he's never seen it before.\"\n\n\"What the...that's in *every* Cracker Barrel. We sell it on postcards!\"\n\n\"I know, I had to ask Marketing if they had a good scan of it, they said they think they can order us up a print.\"\n\n\"*...but where did it come from?!?!??*\"\n\n",
"Having worked at a Cracker Barrel for a few years this doesn't surprise me at all. The employees give zero fucks about the stuff on the wall. I know what you're thinking, surely they have to clean it! Nope, at our CB we had an overnight cleaning man and it was supposed to be part of his duties, never got done. The higher up stuff is always dusty as fuck. ",
"Yeah, it kind of just looks like an actual old timey photo. I noticed the pan but that seems relevant for cracker barrel.",
"Idk if you like their corn bread, but I'd advise you to go to their little store thing and buy some of their boxed corn bread mix. Fuck me it's even better made at home. ",
"Its cracker barrel, you could hang a banjo on the wall and no one would ever notice. ",
"Good one.",
"R/madlads",
"Why do cracker barrels wall stuff have bar codes on them?",
"So good,lol. Thanks for laugh. ",
"Upvoted for knick-knackery",
"Sunday home style chicken is the only chicken to get from cracker barrel.",
"I would guess that some of them are available for sale in the Cracker Barrel Gift Shop.\n\nOr inventory.",
"Worked at a Cracker Barrel for five years. This doesn't look the slightest bit out of place. Also, I bet some employees noticed and got a chuckle out of it and left it. Got to take whatever joy you get in that place....",
"How did the actual picture-hanging take place?\n\nNice work.",
"Yeah it 100% looks like it belongs there, even after knowing something was amiss.",
"bought some velcro adhesive and stuck it to the wall when no one was watching. It honestly shouldn’t have been as easy as it was.",
"Wait. They used to wear those hats that way, back then. I've seen it in photos from that era. Nothing strange there. ",
"Them is the \"Handy Boys.\" (You don't want to know how they got their name.)(Trust me.)",
"paging r/madlads",
"Awesome",
"Upvoted for sheer creativity",
"I’ve never been in one and am not familiar with the company. Are they known for having done some racist crap? On a scale of 1 to Chick-fill-a how prejudice would you rate them?",
"I'm pretty sure people used to graduate back then too. Whole thing checks out.",
"Threw year veteran here.. never got my four star apron.\n\nWhat's funny about that place is that I hated the atmosphere and it was completely removed from where I wanted to be in life. But looking back at it, they were some defining years and the people there were fun to work with.",
"Oh, I rocked my four-star apron for like three years. Haha. \n\nBut yeah. The atmosphere was weird. I was a cashier and we always had to push selling stupid shit that no one cared about. Also the fact that the \"raises\" were like 10 cents. I started out making $8. Ended up making $8.50. After FIVE YEARS. \n\nI don't regret working there — it was good when I was in college — but I am hella glad I don't work there now.",
"I bet a lot of cracker barrels actually have a banjo somewhere in the store",
"/r/gonewild",
"If it’s not Sunday there’s no reason to go to Cracker Barrel because of this chicken",
"As I recall, humans did in fact exist back then. We're all good here. ",
"Honestly i'm not super sure why this isnt higher",
"What u/nullthegrey said wasn't racist at all. Bah gawd is something southern folks say, and Cracker Barrel's a restaurant that serves southern style food. Their chicken and dumplings is quite good.",
"Omg yes",
"Guy on the left looks like Drake Bell to me.",
"Welp. I know what I'm doing next time I go to Cracker Barrel. ",
"I AM the LIQUOR",
"They have had an issue of racism in their stores. [In the most prevalent example, they were accused by the DOJ of systematically discriminating against black people.](https://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/companies/2004-05-07-cracker-barrel_x.htm) Take a look at the [Controversies section](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_Barrel#Controversies) of their wiki page for other examples. \n\nIt's the reason why [every store has an anti discrimination sign right out front.](http://c8.alamy.com/comp/HE1KCR/port-charlotte-florida-cracker-barrel-old-country-store-restaurant-HE1KCR.jpg)\n\nEdit: added wiki link for controversies",
"You made me LOL",
"I would cut a guy for chicken and dumplings. I had no idea they served it. Will be finding one in my area now!",
"I don't get it",
"Not random, just knows knackers.",
"I have it on good authority that ducks got wood back then. Everything is okey dokey. ",
"I had to clean the stuff on the wall for sidework. Would I ever notice if someone put something up there? Abso-fucking-lutely not. I hated that place. ",
"When my grandfather died, we found pages and pages of handwritten erotic fiction in his desk all centered around the 17-year-old cashier who worked at the local Cracker Barrel where him and his buddies ate a few times a week. I learned so much about 1940s sexual slang reading those stories.",
"I thought the wooden mallard was a curling stone. ",
"Patty whackery ",
"Did you meet brads wife? I heard she got fired ",
"It will be awsome if you can scan the pages or a little summary of it",
"Give a dog a... nevermind.",
"Somebody tchotchkes.",
"A treat, for being a good boy!",
"Brad’s wife deserves justice! ",
"It's my SO's favorite dish there, as well as mine. Southern homestyle cooked food is the worst for your health, but tastes awesome! Haha",
"Is that Natural Child?",
"Cock-blockery",
"The graduation gown got me",
"Hubby and I went to Cracker Barrel the other day and said to our waitress, “ How do you think these people would feel to know that their legacy is that their photograph ended up in a Cracker Barrel?” She looked stunned, glanced around, and replies, “I never thought about it.” And just walked away, with the most baffled look on her face. ",
"You forgot the hiking boots.",
"I too want to read these!\n",
"It came from Cotton Eyed Joe",
"Funny story. I’ve had a Cracker Barrel gift card with $14 and some change for over a year now. Every Monday I realize I missed the Sunday Special. That special truly is the only thing CB is good for at this point IMO. It’s two meals easily and that chicken is bomb. I have to say over the years I don’t care much for their sides anymore. The hash brown casserole has gotten significantly worse. The CB by me does a particularly bad job with this. It’s like they don’t even cook the potatoes. \n\nThis Sunday. It’s happening.",
"What I want to know is how you sneakily hammer a nail into the wall of a restaurant? Did anyone see this process take place? ",
"You guys look like a couple of Ignoramoose",
"I accidentally read it as overweight cleaning man. Now have an image in my mind of a poor obese man, with short arms, huffing around with a duster cleaner and not being able to reach the higher up stuff.",
"Brad's wife got fired from cracker barrel back in February and it turned into an internet meme. It was all over facebook and twitter.\nhttps://www.snopes.com/2017/03/28/fired-cracker-barrel-manager-brads-wife-becomes-internet-meme/",
"Great. Next time I go to restaurants I’d be even more mindful of this...",
"Please OP come to the cracker barrel in Flint and make me laugh",
"The hash brown casserole done fucked up with the onion ratio. It's excessive now.",
"Being that Chic fil A isn’t prejudice (the CEO may be perceived to be), probably a rough scale to measure with",
"Right? The original comment and for some reason your comment should be gilded by now.. ",
"There was a new sports bar that opened up near our work. A couple of coworkers and I would go there twice a week for lunch. There were tons of athlete pictures and crap like that all over the wall. We started making crazy pics and putting them over the good ones. Sometimes we would find the same pic and swap heads with some celebrity, so it would look like Abe Vigoda dunking over some NBA guy, or Bill Clinton pitching in the world Series. We kept doing it for about 6 months until we had so many up in there it seemed incredibly obvious. Finally we came in one day and they were all gone. Fun while it lasted. Wish I could have been there when management finally realized.",
"You don't need a hammer. I have cinder block walls in my apartment and I use those double sided sticky pads that they make to hang up pictures. They work great! (edit: they're called command strips) ",
"It straight up feels like this happened years ago like I swear it was like 3 years ago but nope it hasn't even been a full year.",
"Haha I love that you used Chick-fil-A as your scale for how racist something is...",
"One time a person in my sociology class asked me if I have ever been to Cracker Barrel. I said no and he said he assumed I have been cus I’m Caucasian ",
"I love everything about this.",
"Northern California resident? Hella lol",
"[Idk about you but this is me every time I eat their corn bread](http://imgur.com/I1Dlphj.jpg)",
"Be the guild you want to see in the world?",
"You probably gave her an existential crisis wherein she wondered if her legacy would be WORKING at a Cracker Barrel.",
"It was similar at Chilis. No one seems to know where the hell corporate got those damned pictures. You could take a picture of almost anything. As long as image includes something about Texas or a Chili, it would stay there forever. ",
"In a Cracker Barrel, a waitress must create her own essence: it is in throwing herself into the world, suffering there, struggling there, that she gradually defines herself.",
"See, the graduation gown looks like an old fashioned leather duster. I was bamboozled!",
"\"Cracker Barrels\" does not need an apostrophe.\n\n\"Cracker Barrel's\" means \"belonging to Cracker Barrel.\"",
"That picture is only ridiculous *outside* of cracker barrel",
"is cracker barrel the restaurant one or the home furnishings one? I can never remember",
"I get the feeling they don't look for people leaving new stuff on the wall nearly as much as for anyone trying to take something. ",
"And then gets her picture on a wall.",
"I thought it was a priest's vestments. ",
"r/madlads\n",
"Maybe it's just me but the hashbrown casserole has gotten better in my town. Also, if you want a decently-priced ribeye, they seem to do a pretty good job for under 15 bucks. USA Choice meat (aka \"at least it's not Select\"), good portion. A little over seasoned for my tastes but not bad at all. Puts most cheap full service chain restaurant steaks to absolute shame IMO. I'm a lifelong southerner who's had true-blue southern cooks in every generation of my family. Cracker Barrel isn't perfect southern food but it's damn passable. ",
"as was the style in those days",
"Am I reading this wrong or did your grandfather have a thing for a 17-year-old girl? Not quite grasping the time period this fiction was written.",
"I've never been to a Cracker Barrel but they are just finishing building one nearby, one of the first ever in Oregon. I should go in there and do something like this",
"...err... is that drake and Josh and drake again? ",
"As someone who worked at the crack house for five years. We don't give that much of a shit about the stuff in there for the most part. Unless it's something that people are going to flip their shit about (like the early pics of Dolly Parton we had) no one cares. We don't get paid enough to give a shit (seriously, after five years I was getting paid 2.35 an hour).",
"I worked at a TGI Fridays back in the day and it was the same thing. Tons of shit on the wall, and nobody paying attention to any of it. One night after getting off early a fellow server and I stuck around to have a post-shift drink, which turned into 5 drinks, which turned into drawing mustaches on the faces in every movie poster, or album cover, or Storm Trooper helmet, or whatever else that we deemed mustache-able. Management never noticed. I worked there almost 2 years after that night.",
"Please do post! I would love to see what weird slang he had to say about her ",
"Found the dog",
"Ah, a truly great moment in American history!",
"Plot twist: OP is female.",
"Sean Connery ",
"They were too lazy to remove a picture, but not too lazy to fire brad’s wife #Justiceforbradswife",
"Oh, you mean Shenanigans?",
"Thank god you're here!",
"wtf is a cracker barrel?",
"https://youtu.be/79wm06j3_gM not sure how to link to a specific time but it's at 9:45",
"Leave more'n 4 and yer just plain dumb",
"The correct pluralization is \"Crackers Barrel.\"",
"it's the restaurant that also has a store. real old country style aesthetic to it. Got those rocking chairs with the big checkers printed on the rugs for people to play on and each table has that game where you try to remove golf tees in a pyramid formation until only 1 is left",
"Ah yes. I always confuse \"cracker barrel\" with \"crate and barrel\" due to remarkably similar names",
"Whoa I honestly thought the same thing. I was thinking its an ancient meme, nobody will remember. Less than a year. Well I'll be",
"I used to work at Cracker Barrel it was very common for them to go home with $200 in tips on a Saturday or Sunday, they were not suffering. Working in the dish room like me was suffering. Sticky ass maple syrup and the stench of the ash trays on your hands all day. The steam would vaporize the filth and put a film of gunk over your whole body. ",
"> with the most baffled look on her face\n\nYou mean she looked normal because she didn't care and had work to do?",
"What is the riddle of steel?",
"Sure would love to get some of that cooty cat mmhmm. ",
"Dis a pic of a pic",
"BONERY!",
"You guys are too normal looking. I would have noticed that as a fake. The people in the real Cracker Barrel photos are ugly as homemade sin.",
"Scracker Barnel? ",
"You reading this could be a podcast. ",
"It's red rockety you filthy ape. Now let me get a whiff of that asshole.",
"The Roy Moore era",
"Way to make em feel shitty lol",
"Talk about two completely different worlds... ",
"Having worked at Cracker Barrel once upon a time, we were told that if you could prove anyone in any photograph was related to you, the company would host a small celebration and return the item to you. Also, all the stuff on the wall supposedly gets sourced from local antique stores and whatnot. Not sure why there's so much hate here for it. I think it's neat. ",
"I hear Stubenville is looking for some more Knick-knackery. Perhaps you can assist them. ",
"What is a crackerbarrel ",
"Sunrise Sampler is where it's at.",
"This reminds me of a haul my friend had. His hobby/side job is doing house clean outs and keeping the antiques and such, he also frequents auctions and flea markets to buy sell and trade. So he built a quite a bit of things that were antique but didn't have much value other then being used for decoration (common bottles, tools, picture frames, records and such). \n\nSome people came to look at it and were asking about the higher priced/more valuable items he had at the time. Set them aside to one pile and then were like okay we'll take it. He goes on to add up \"well its $300 for the record player, $150 for the radio, $400 for that guitar\" and they were like \"no the rest of it, how much for all that\" he said he couldn't even do the math as there were several hundred items from $1 to $50 in there but he knew some of those $1 items would never move so he threw out a number like $5 grand and cleared out all the items that were wasting space in his storage. They took it can came back with a couple trailers to haul it. Turns out they were from a small restaurant chain (some steak house I never heard of till then and can't remember the name of now) and that's how they got their authentic decor. Now I would assume there's a screening process for anything offensive but there were probably a hand full of fake items, and photographs and such that looked older than they really were mixed in there. \n\nI assume cracker barrel operates in a similar fashion.",
"The drummer never gets their dues. ",
"Hey Blake. ",
"Genius level reply",
" *Thank God your hear",
"There's a very distinct smell and feel of the film you get from dishwashing. I can still smell it 9 years later.",
"I did a similar thing a few years back. I noticed that our IT information board was terribly outdated. We're talking about Vista and XP SP1. So, I took it upon myself to quietly remove one offending item a week and replace it with even more dated information. I managed to get back to some late DOS and Windows 3.1 before someone noticed and took everything down. ",
"I don't see what delicious ass breakfast and dinner food has to do with race though.",
"[It's a chain restaurant with knickknacks and antique stuff all over the walls. Old timey pictures too.](https://www.crackerbarrel.com/)",
"https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/09/02/cracker-barrel-antiques-warehouse/2756607/",
"I want to write a song called \"Handwritten Erotic Fiction\"",
"They were hit with a lot of lawsuits for hiring discrimination, that's a pretty good example of prejudice. There was a little more to it than just the company donating to a lot of anti-LGBT groups.",
"Fuck yeah I fucking love their chicken and dumplings. Feel fat as shit but still.",
"I knew this would be here somewhere. ",
"Ashtrays? How long ago was this or are there still restaurants with smoking sections somewhere?",
"the worst is when you have to clean the grease trap... or snake the trap... BLLEURRGGG",
"He made it up.",
"Give that frog a loan!",
"You guys are just pure wild. \n\nNot r/madlads/ at all. No way.\n\n",
"Don't do it. Frogs are notorious for croaking before paying off the note",
"Cracker Barri",
"My nephew used to work for Brinker International, the corporation that owns Chili's. He was responsible for scouting locations to build Chili's and working out the real estate deals for the properties. He wasn't involved in the decoration of the stores but he knew the people who were. There are actually multiple warehouses full of stuff to decorate the walls with that are stocked by contractors whose job is to shop estate sales and thrift stores and such. There are separate decoration algorithms for Chili's and Applebee's (also owned by Brinker) - there is a lot of overlap but there are items on Chili's walls you'd never see at Applebee's and vice versa. There are also semiannual decoration inspections by secret shoppers, if an unauthorized photo showed up on the wall, it wouldn't last more than 6 months, they take digital photos of all walls and compare them to the wall crap database.",
"Raised preguntas is what you were going for. ",
"Quit making a Mochrie of this thread!",
"picture is so good ",
"For real. I never felt bad for servers because they would absolutely bank it. Poor dishwashers would barely make above minimum and smell like greasy trash. ",
"It's a restaurant with an old-timey aesthetic.",
"Is it called Cracker Barrel because the only people that go there are crackers?",
"[This](https://www.justice.gov/archive/opa/pr/2004/May/04_crt_288.htm) might have something to do with it.",
"giving out Hand Jobs for Kids?",
"Can confirm. Went to Cracker Barrel. Am a cracker.",
"Found the nosy neighbor.",
"Of course, according to the 3rd rule of Cracker Barrel Quantum Physics, *all* Cracker Barrels now display this picture in the exact same spot.",
"i thought it was a priest robe.",
"My uncle did this kind of prank at a hotel in NYC almost ten years ago. It still hangs unnoticed by hotel staff.\n\nHe owns a law firm and the partners frequent this particular hotel when they travel for business. The hotel hangs many framed photos of dignitaries, celebs, business groups of note.\n\nOne year they decide to get a frame made to exact specifications as the ones in the hotel. They also had a plaque made with the title of their law firm in the same metal and style as the hotel's plaques. They took a group photo in their snazzy business suits and then they covertly put it up on their next trip to NYC.\n\nHe stays at that hotel several times a year. All our family goes and takes a selfie with \"it\" any time they visit NYC.",
"Then you go out and get black out drunk. Only to wake up unsure if you passed out in the alley before realizing you needed to get home, or just didn't shower before you started drinking.",
"A number of years ago I worked as a sports photographer and I was covering the junior olympics water polo events. The organizers gave us a framed team photo of the 18 year old mens team in their speedos to show coaches and parents what the final product would look like. When the gig was over they didn't take the photo back from me, so I displayed it at a friend's house. His parents had so many framed photos in their house it just blended in. Years later I still laugh about it because no one every removed it.",
"We don’t hate on it at all. My mother in law and I constantly say our dream job is to be the antiques purchaser for Cracker Barrel. My husband’s comment was about the people in the pictures themselves. ",
"wow, what madlads!",
"Maybe, but she wasn’t that busy and it really seemed to fuck with her head a bit. ",
"My local grocery store has three or four picture hooks on the wall by the exit. They used to have photos of the managers and maybe an employee of the month, but there hasn't been anything there for several years.\n\nI can not begin to express how tempted I am to hang something up there. But I'm an adult. I have adult kids. I'm not supposed to do that sort of thing. In another 20 years I can once again get by with these sorts of shenanigans, but not today. So please, folks, step up if you can. We could use a laugh.",
"As a CB worker customers would ask me if they could purchase the dishes/mugs/silverwear, I'd say \"No but you can pretty much walk out with it.\"",
"\"Surgeons general.\"",
"Do it. I'm 54 and I do stuff like this. ",
"Are there enough crackers in Flint to fill a Barrel?",
"Did you have to put a nail in the wall too? In addition to being hilarious, how would someone not know you were banging in a nail?",
"> wall crap database\n\nAs a developer, the fact that someone had to create that system both fascinates and terrifies me.\n\nSeveral times a year I have to create something that just floors me of why in the hell would a company be interesting in tracking and retrieving such data. Of course the answer in 90% of such cases is \"so manager/executive X can justify their position\".",
"In 2000 my friends and i wiped a piece of bacon above the table we were sitting at in carls jr. that wipe stain is still there.",
"When I was in high school i really wanted to start a business selling knick-knackery packages for restaurants. i'd offer different themes at various square foot options and provide installation services. \"okay, so i've got you down for the southeastern sports theme (20% pro, 20% high school, 60% college) for a 3K square foot dining room scheduled for a 2/17 install...\"\n\ni figured it was so bizarre and behind-the-scenes that there would be less competition.",
"Do it. Then post a pic. Go.",
"It looks like most of the time, the restaurants handle this knick-knackery internally, buying from 'pickers' who know what the restaurants want: [Cracker Barrel] (https://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2424/where-do-chain-restaurants-get-their-antiques/); [TGI Fridays](http://archive.fortune.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1999/08/16/264295/index.htm); [an interview with one of the pickers](http://mentalfloss.com/article/65287/meet-man-behind-decor-applebees).",
"Probably never really thought of them as having been real people.",
"What is steel compared to the hand that wields it? Look at the strength in your body, the desire in your heart!",
"I love the authenticity of marketing being like \"yeah we can totally do that\".",
"I have a few things, wonder if they'd take them. Might as well show them off.",
"Nice sweater in the reflection there Cosby",
"daiquiri!",
"11 years! 11!",
"\"I'll take Anal Bum Party.\" ",
"No wonder those Picker shows do well",
"Ash trays? When did you work there, the eighties? ",
"Whenever I smell Subway bread 'cooking' I get the worst flashbacks.",
"Why did people flip about Dolly? ",
"Brads wife isnt. She is long gone now. ",
"Fuck that, I want to read the whole thing!",
"Yeah, just go around decorating restaurants for them. Sounds fun . . .",
"There are still some restaurants which allow smoking, or at least there were as of about 5 years ago. Waffle House 'restaurants' in South Carolina at least have people smoking in them all the time.",
"I listened to a planet money podcast about a guy that bought Irish pubs in Ireland, and basically put them into containers, and shipped them to the US for people who were looking to open authentic Irish pubs. ",
"Your friends dad never noticed it, your friends mom however flicked the bean to the sight of a bunch of 18 year old men in Speedos. Especially front row, 3rd from the left, if that's what it looks like cold and wet...well, a girl can dream can't she?",
"Why do cracker barrels wall stuff have bar codes on them?\n\n",
"Doubt it",
"i legit almost spit out my tea. never change.",
"please post, or write the novel. ",
"This makes me want to go to Knott's Berry Farm to get an old timey photo done with the family, and then off to cracker barrel for dinner the next day (since we'd totally eat dinner at Ms. Knott's Restaurant the day of the picture).",
"I suspect they're trying to sell them to you.",
"No this was around 2005. ",
"This wasn't that long ago, around 2005 I worked there right out of high school. ",
"I think a black person should buy all the Cracker Barrels, but not change the name.",
"Now HERE's Loyalty.... This couple have eaten at EVERY Cracker Barrel in America.\n\nhttps://www.tennessean.com/story/life/2017/08/27/couples-remarkable-quest-eat-every-cracker-barrel-country-just-one-left/548923001/",
"Nope. Just your average Millennial. ",
"some people are saying their grandpas remember them.. they must have been around forever but i ahvent seen any in california.",
"i've got a bunch around my part of Texas.",
"Frig to me it still feels like yesterday when even [McD's had their own ashtrays](https://img0.etsystatic.com/000/0/6510773/il_fullxfull.296609472.jpg). In Canada the only restaurants I know of where you can still smoke are on native reservations. ",
"TIL...Thanks for the link",
"Well shit. Wtf Cracker Barrel?",
"I know! I love it so much! I can get away with eating it (I'm thin) except for if I ate it as much as I'd like, it would hammer my cholesterol. I'd eat it all the time if I could get away with it! (It would probably nuke my waistline!!!)",
"Don’t let this distract you from the fact that Brad's wife got fired from Cracker Barrel for no reason, she provided faithful service for 11 years. #justiceforbradswife",
"This is lowkey funny because i remember a Cracker Barrel General Manager telling me once they take pride in all the wall hanginga being originals not reproductions or duplicates"
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2 years ago today, my friends and I put this ridiculous picture up in Cracker Barrel. It’s still there.
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"F",
"My heart goes out to you and your family. I’m so sorry. ",
"It is better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all. I’m sorry for your loss man. Peace be with you",
"Do you really think some worn out cliche is going to help Original Poster?",
"How will the wall stay up without Jackie :( \n \nI'm sorry you had to lose your baby",
"I'm sorry for your loss. I wish you peace and strength. ",
"RIP, they become family.",
"Ohh noo, poor sweet doggie. Sorry for your loss. Do you have any funny stories you can share about him? ",
"He was such a sweet dog, honestly a bit more of a cat than anything. He'd lay down with you for hours and just hang out with you, he had this adorable little trot when he walked, it was so cute. He used to go outside to our backyard and roll around on the couch back there until his hair stuck up on end. Not too many funny stories but he was the sweetest little thing",
"Sending love your way. ",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"Sorry for your loss",
"You’re a cunt. Fuck off now... go on",
"so sorry - it’s losing a family member\n💔",
"Don't be sad that he's gone, be glad that he happened.- My quote of the day",
"So sorry! ",
"If god was real than this little guy would live forever. Damn dat dude cute"
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Had to put this good boy down to day due to intestinal cancer, love you Jackie, this house feels so much more empty without you here.
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"I wonder how many Pokémon we will find here “ looks up 😲",
"\"What's the speed limit here?\"",
"A lot "
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When you're Pokemon Go-ing and you stumble upon a lot
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"In Spanish the festival is called Dia De Los Muertos (Day of the Dead). Largest celebration in the US is the \"All Souls Procession\" in Tucson, AZ. That's the big event where people paint their faces like this Sugar Skull.\n\nInfo- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Dead\nhttp://allsoulsprocession.org",
"And in San Diego, it's November 1st. Little late on the photo?",
"Haha thanks for the info guys! Maybe I should have added that I took this when I was in Oaxaca last year during Dia De Los Muertos?"
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So much life and colour in the Festival of the Dead!
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"Wtf is a NOS can doing in there?",
"don't think it's an actual NOS can... but I know that, whatever part that is, it is part of the engine ignition system",
"Ah nonetheless very cool shot ",
"The NOS brand probably makes a bunch of different stuff that relates to controlling pressure and so on. I am guessing it's some kinda valve or something?",
"yeah I think it's a check valve!\nEdit: probs this purge valve: https://www.summitracing.com/parts/nos-16025nos",
"Which engine?",
"an Armadillo Aerospace engine system from the rocket racing league: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-T1eHDyhc8&t=2s",
"Solenoid valve."
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Staring down the nozzle of a used rocket engine
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"B-but if your there, and he's there, tHeN wHo ToOk ThE pIcTuRe!?!?",
"My wife and I went for the first time in May. The pics do not prepare you for the beauty.",
"It was the butler! in the library! With a candlestick! ",
"I'm sure May is beautiful, especially after a good winter. Every season is different, hoping to go back in spring or summer. ",
"I’m planning a trip with my husband now! Where did you stay?",
"Just saw your username, I'm 707 also we might be neighbors.",
"We stayed outside of the park and drove in, but there are plenty of places to stay in winter. For camping, try Upper Pines campground or Camp4 (first come first serve). They also have heated tents at Half Dome Villiage. For hotels, they have Yosemite Lodge and The Majestic, but those start to get expensive. Outside of the park, you could stay at Rush Creek. In summer you have a lot more options but a lot more competition for a spot, so you may need to book far out in advance. Hope this helps! ",
"Yea thanks so much!! Just waiting for a little bit more snow now!!",
"Do you see any stairs, don’t go near. Don’t touch em. Don’t climb em.",
"The winter misleads you about the crowds in the spring and summer.\nYosemite is beautiful, but so is most of the high sierras; and rest is a lot less crowded.",
"I stayed in Camp 4 when I went a few years back. Gotta get in real early and line up (especially if it's good climbing weather) but it was super cool. We met heaps of really interesting climbers and got lots of great stories",
"Ahwahnee Meadow is always trampled into the ground by the end of the season.",
"Isn't that partly due to the snow? You can walk to the spot we were from the path along the resident housing. ",
"Is it not incredible? It really cemented home the concept that pictures can never come close to experiencing it in person. The Sheer size of it. Incredible. "
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Our first trip to Yosemite together
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"Don't be fooled... They're constructing a mini Death Star.",
"Huh? That’s a building not the cheerleader ",
"Hayden Pannetarium! (Insert bad PS work here)",
"A perfectly good play on words completely butchered with poor delivery..\n\nYou took my job!"
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Hayden Planetarium in New York
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"I love Tesla cars, but if you are going to have that plate, I would hope they also have solar panels and charge their car from solar. Otherwise, they are basically burning coal to power their car.",
"\nMy Dear Tesla \n\nHow do I love you?\n\nLet me count the ways.\n\n1.\tAll Electric. Foremost, I love the fact that you get your power from electricity and not gasoline. There are so many reasons to prefer electric powered vehicles. Electric power is a renewable resource. It is less expensive than gasoline. It is cleaner and does not pollute the environment. I love the fact that electric cars like you have fewer parts than a conventional vehicle and require far less maintenance. I love the fact that you offer a range of 249 miles and can be recharged from the 240V NEMA 15-40 in my garage (other Tesla models offer even greater Range, but I drive less than 50 miles per day, so you go the distance for me). Lastly, I am a big fan of your creator Elon Musk, a visionary, who has brilliantly built a network of Superchargers to provide an infrastructure that other manufacturers have not.\n\n2.\tStyling. You are a beautiful car. I love your lines. I love your streamlined shape. I love the way your doors close with a solid sound, nothing tinny about a Tesla. Attention to detail is apparent everywhere. I look with owner’s pride at the perfect spacing of the gap between body panels. And the retractable door handles that melt into your body are unlike any other car that I have seen. You shine in my favorite color, Multi-Coat Red, but your entire family of colors is stunning. The obvious quality of your paint makes you worth the premium price.\n\n3.\tDriver’s Interface. I love the well organized way you present information to me on a huge 17” touch screen that makes me feel like the pilot sitting in the cockpit of a jumbo jet and lets me do so many things. You are a master navigator so I’ll never get lost. You let me control the climate. You open a world of music to fit my every mood and give me access to extensive libraries of music and radio stations around the world. . I love technology and you display all of the performance numbers that I like to see. You are also an extension of my Apple iPhone, accepting voice commands, instead of requiring keypad input. And, best of all, you can be whatever I want you to be. You allow me to select Settings to customize you for my own personal driving experience. And I can save the preferences of up to five drivers. You are truly a computer on wheels.\n\n4.\tRegenerative braking. When I back my foot off what used to be called the gas pedal, you aggressively slow down. I barely need to step on the brake pedal. You make my driving so much simpler. You will save me $$$ in brake repairs.\n\n5.\tKeyless Entry. I don’t need a car key anymore. Your magical key fob is all I ever need. I Just carry it in my pocket. It’s small enough that I hardly notice it, but it is so powerful. When you are sleeping, and I approach, your door handles pop out, the air conditioner or heater starts and my favorite music begins to play. Ready to drive? All you expect from me is to step on the brake pedal, put the car into Drive and press the accelerator pedal. That’s it. I’m on the road in my favorite car. And when my trip is over you make it just as easy for me. I just press the Park button and exit the car. You power down everything and then lock the doors after I walk away.\n\n6.\tSmooth Ride. You are so very quiet. I love the incredibly smooth ride that you offer me. You have no noisy internal combustion engine so the only sound I hear is the gentle rolling of tires on the street.\n\n7.\tSurprising Power. Even though I did not equip you with dual motors or performance options, you are nothing if not quick. If, while driving down the street, I suddenly press the accelerator (when it is safe to do so), you lurch forward with enough force to startle passengers and push them back in their seats. Always good for a laugh.\n\n8.\tAuto Pilot. You are the bomb on the freeways. With my hands just lightly touching your steering wheel, you do it all for me. You keep me centered in my lane. You keep me a safe distance from cars in front of me. You make driving in stop-and-go traffic so much less stressful. You make safe lane changes easy by only requiring me to flip the right or left turn signal indicator to initiate action.\n\n9.\tCollision Avoidance Assist. I love the way you use your cameras, radar sensors, and GPS to assist me in avoiding collisions. Of course, safe driving is always my responsibility; but with your assistance I literally have eyes in the back of my head.\n\n10.\tAuto Park. Parallel parking is a breeze now, because you do it all and I love you for that. You pick the perfect spot and maneuver your way in, usually without bumping other cars. And no more wheel rash because your sensors know where the curb is (your 21” wheels are costly, you know).\n\n11.\tSummon. You expertly back out of a tight fit garage, as I watch from the sidelines (no more broken side view mirrors). Oh but there is more. You open the garage door before beginning to back out, stop in the driveway, lock the car doors and close the garage door. All I have to do is summon you, either from your key fob or my iPhone.\n\n12.\tFull Self-Driving (FSD). Once Telsa gets permission from Big Brother, and after you digest some software, you will be even more awesome. You will be autonomous. I will still sit behind the wheel, but you will be doing the driving. Like they say: “Take the bus and leave the driving to us.” Only I will be taking a self-driving car.\n\n13.\tSoftware Updates. I love the wireless way Mother Tesla pushes software updates out to all of her children, so you all become better and better as time goes by. I get new features and functions without the need to trade you in for a newer model. Oh, how I love that!\n\n14.\tTaxi Service. One day, they say, there will be a fleet of your working Tesla brothers and sisters, all part of a Uber-like network, without the benefit (or detriment) of human drivers. All the more reason to love you.\n\nXXOOXX\n\nYour proud owner",
"Yeah, this seems douchey. I have a Tesla and love it, but people like this should get over themselves. I suspect that most people who own a Model S consume far more than their fair share of resources overall.",
"Hmm. I'm pretty sure OP is the now-sentient Tesla AI.",
"No OP is the same karma farming (possibly legitimately insane) user who repost like 90% of his content. Here is the original forum post copy pasta.\n\nhttps://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/love-letter-my-tesla-model-s\n\nGo through his history for a few minutes and see how much he commits to his knock off subs and try to find his chain of alt accounts by checking the mods listed on them. It's quite a rabit hole.",
"Wow. It’s such a creepy, unappealing, hail-corporate copy pasta too. Thanks.",
"My dad drives a model S with a \"friends of coal\" license plate because \"it runs on coal\" ",
"And even when you burn coal to charge an EV you are better off then a comparable gas powered car. \n\nhttps://www.transportenvironment.org/press/electric-cars-emit-less-co2-over-their-lifetime-diesels-even-when-powered-dirtiest-electricity",
"Yeah this guy is fucking insane. "
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"Wow! This looks so good. How do you design something like this? Do you start with a pretty good idea of what the final piece will look like or just start working and see where you go? ",
"Beautiful, but where do you put the weed? ",
"I want to clip your nail so bad ",
"I always know what stones I plan on using, so I sketch out a design, and try to aim for that as accurately as I can, most times something changes along the way, but it is always very close to my plan!",
"In your lungs, then stare.",
"How did I know someone would say something lol, my thumb nails and pointer finger nails remain long to help with tucking wire and scooting it without maring it with pliers.",
"Gorgeous! I love it!",
"Looks like an H.R. Giger piece but less fuckable.\n\npretty good.",
"Epic work! You weren't at symbiosis selling these during the eclipse, were you? If so, i might have seen you",
"I wasn't unfortunately, I'm from eastern Canada, so it's a bit out of my neck of the woods hahah",
"Do you sell these? Have an Etsy? Take commissions?\n\nHow long does a piece like that take?",
"Yes I sell these, all my work is sold through FB and IG, my IG handle is @jamesmilnejewelry, and my Facebook is linked through there. I do take commissions! This project took me 14 hours from drawing the sketch to completion !",
"It is nice, why did you stop?",
"You posted this exact same image 17 days ago....",
"Nice, but it this a pin? ",
"Dude, you’re not wrong... \n\nGreat work!",
"It's beautiful. What is that main stone?",
"Reminds me of the type of jewelry that Edfrank would have made in The Man in the High Castle. Gorgeous work.",
"Wow. That looks more like 140 hours. Very nice. ",
"Whoa what? You fucking made that? That's incredible! ",
"What the hell is it and who the hell buys things like this",
"I thought I was on /r/trees when I saw this.",
"challenge accepted",
"I\"ll be honest.... I think, as a whole, that thing is ugly as sin.\nBut the work that went into the metal part is intriguing and beautiful. \nThe detail is beautiful. ",
"can you provide how to make video?",
"That would take me much to long to do at this time! I'm sorry.",
"It's a pendant, and plenty of people buy them!",
"Yes I did! All starts out as spoils of silver wire!",
"Thanks so much :)",
"Mexican Fire Agate",
"Thank you :)",
"It's a pendant, the chain goes through a hidden bail in the back side !",
"And your point? I stated I made it in 2017...",
"I didn't stop, the year ended! I do this full time, so I'm still working hard!",
"These vape coils are getting more and more complex.",
"Ok yes, when I was younger my nanny,....they had pieces,(pendants) that you could wear both ways, pin, or necklace. Thanks for sharing and have a great day.😍",
"Thanks to you as well! ",
"I have/would never vape. This is art, vaping is not.",
"I'd like to know what you're trying to say? ",
"That looks like a >$1000 fire agate? Killer craftsmanship too",
"> How did I know someone would say something \n\nBecause given enough people looking at an image one of them will comment on basically any detail?\n\nAlso holy crap that's pretty. I hope it finds a home with someone who'll appreciate it.",
"Did you do the fire agate yourself?",
"How many grilled cheese sandwiches did you end up swapping that for at the Phish new years show?",
"The fire agate was carved by a friend Tony Johnson",
"Hahaha touché, and thank you it has since found a loving home!",
"Not quite that much! If it were from Arizona it would likely have been closer, but it was less than half of your guess :)",
"First of all I can't stand Phish, secondly I did sell it to your mother, who paid me with your allowance! Took a few years to fully pay it off though.",
"When did you start wire wrapping? Also, do you shape the stones yourself or do you buy them?",
"Really nice work on the piece.",
"Beautiful piece! But plz cut your fingernails.\n",
"I use\nMy fingernails to push and scoot wire without marring it with metal pliers.",
"I buy them! And I started just over 2 years ago",
"This is great workmanship for two years, you're very talented! If you ever think about shaping your own rocks try looking into lapidary. ",
"Ok fair enough. ",
"I've thought about it, but I spend 8 hours a day 6 days a week working with wire! :)",
"Well don't stop. Your work is marvelous! ",
"Thanks so much! I won't stop, it's my livelihood !!"
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"Merman! MERMAN!",
"Holy goof, that's funny",
"If you like bassline a guy called holy goof is one of the best in the scene you should go check it out!",
"Thanks man, ill check him out!\n",
"Wildfire is the essence of hotness",
"hotness is the essence of dragons\n",
"/u/Veoxin, thank you for your submission! Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule I - No pictures with added/superimposed digital elements.\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/Veoxin&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pbo5m/valyrian_steel/?context=10\\))"
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/r/pics/comments/7pboub/today_marks_seven_years_suicide_attempt_free_i/
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[
"Bravo! Keep up the positivity and don't let anyone hold you back! 👍",
"I love that eyeliner technique...get it girl! ",
"Congrats pretty lady! Always think positive :>",
"Pretty smile! Have a wonderful week. You deserve it!",
"Good\n That would have been a waste of a life ",
"Congratulations that’s a huge milestone! ",
"Jada Stevens?",
"I'm sure I have no idea who that is",
"sup",
"I had two younger brothers commit suicide. One in ‘07, the other in ‘16. \n\nSo as someone who has lost family to suicide...I just want you to know that the world is glad to still have you :)",
"Never forget these moments, even when things get tough.\n\n\nI have a hard time getting through each day but I try my best to remember the good moments with the hopes that it won't be too long before another comes around.\n\n\nKeep spreading the love, no matter how hard it gets!",
"###**Some things man was never meant to know. For everything else, there's Google.**",
"Keep it up!",
"Selfie of woman. \n\nIs this post a joke?",
"Username checks out",
"What were your attempts to off yourself?",
"What are the approaches and factors that got you off that dismal rock?\n\nI think a lot of folks would simply want to just try to use sympathy (which can get sucked up endlessly and ignored), and some others might want to try shock tactics (which could send someone over the edge). What GOT THROUGH to you finally, or was it almost entirely just a self-motivated recovery?\n\nEDIT: Have no idea why ppl are downvoting this. I want to be clear; please don't mistake me. I'm really glad for OP and glad she's sharing this. Just figured we could maybe try to learn something too. A lot of people have loved ones who are enthralled in these ideations and I'm sure they could use all the knowledge they can get to understand and help the people they care about - even if it means just patiently waiting.\n\nOP did not get elected by the people of Earth to be the mandatory expert on this though, so I realize she has no obligation to answer my little question whatsoever - it's enough to just be glad she's fucking HERE and breathing. \n\nBut if you want to, OP. I'm just curious about how you made your journey.",
"Congratulations..good for you!!",
"I’ve been suicide attempt free my entire life. Karma please?",
"Reddit is now Facebook ",
"Hang in there beautiful! We all get sad/depressed. If you ever need to talk to someone me and my wife are here to help. It's not an easy life nowadays. I should know",
"Honestly, it's nice to see positive things shared to reddit sometimes. Congratulations and best wishes to you! ",
"Strap in boys, we're going to the front page for no reason at all!",
"Ok",
"Might be better posted in /r/wholesomememes or even /r/progresspics",
"Hell yeah brother ",
"I’m very glad you’re alive. Thank you for posting this.",
"Congrats, you're killing it!\n\n^^sorry ",
"It's a validation thing. Same as the weight loss pics.\n\nAnd while you might not be moved, there are others who are looking for the tiniest excuse not to kill themselves tonight. And for some of them, this woman might be it.\n\nIt's hope that keeps us going, and if this woman is sticking around, well, shit, some others might consider sticking around, too.\n\nIt's OK not to get these. They're not for you :)\n",
"Yeah but these type of comments get downvoted while these type of posts get upvoted. ",
"How did you come to grips with being a failure ?",
"Why should we care or know about it?",
"Congrats OP.\n\nIgnore the haters. One day you'll stop counting, and it'll be a nice day without even realizing it.",
"This is perfect for /r/happy. Great sub and meant for posts like these showing people with light in their eyes. Here in /r/pics is going to be met with mixed and controversial responses.",
"yeezus. pretty girl.\n\nand i should know! i once didn't marry christie brinkley!",
"I'm so happy for you seriously you went threw a rough patch and leveled up. Here's to another 100 years of happiness for you.",
"Yeah empathy sure is stupid! \\s",
"Join r/pic. This sub has gone to shit, and although r/pic is kinda slow it has rules in place to prevent this garbage.",
"Alright then. Keep it up but avoid posting here. Try Facebook instead. ",
"It's just a selfie though. There's no back story, no comparison pic.",
"Someone breaking out of that is a cause to be celebrated. It takes work, dedication, and a certain degree of luck.",
"Shhh you'll anger reddit. ",
"Being downvoted is deeply scary. Why?",
"There are positive things literally everywhere. ",
"Yay!!! You are amazing and we are so glad to see you!",
"I am glad it is here!",
"It amazes me how people have such a negative knee-jerk reaction to others talking about their suicide attempts. I think the perception is always that the person is doing it for attention or is weak-minded. As someone who has been through it myself, I know what that pit of depression is like. I know what it feels like to think that the present will never change and that your life will be shit forever. It's heartbreaking. It sucks you in and you can't see a way out. You become your own worst enemy. People don't understand that suicide works that way because they've never experienced it before. I'm glad you're alive.",
"She doesn't. It's important for people all over to see that it does get better. She is making herself really vulnerable to help other people. It's awesome. ",
"I wonder if a selfie of a man was posted with this same title if the response would be so vicious.",
"Great to see you’re with us and doing well.\n\nHopefully your post and story can serve to help others survive the same struggles you have.\n\nEdit: The seven of you who downvoted are fucking spineless trolls.",
"Nah fuck that man, this post is worthless garbage, and she's a *woman* to boot\n\n\\s",
"This sounds like something a suicidal person would say. Why enjoy anything? The point is literally that life is beautiful even though it's hard. What is worth saying more than that? Besides pictures if food. \n\nEdit: obviously and pictures of dogs. Sorry. ",
"No one isn't killing themselves because of this post. That's dumb ",
"Even a comparison pic wouldn't matter. I understand /u/Lobsterbib 's comment, but a selfie seems pointless.\n\nI have one attempt under my belt. I was on suicide watch for a year. I have been through more shrinks and therapists than I can remember. My diagnosis have been depressed, severe depression, bi-polar II, schizo-affective, and clinical depression. There might be some more that I don't remember. But it's been about 16 years since my shrink said \"You are no longer a threat to yourself or others.\"\n\nA fucking picture of myself doesn't do anything.",
"You’re beautiful! So glad you’re here! ",
"\\s",
"[You'd be surprised at what little it takes to save a life.](http://www.sentinelandenterprise.com/news/ci_25438684/just-smile-might-save-life)\n\nAnd what do you care? Don't you think it's a pretty good trade-off for even a minuscule chance to make that kind of difference weighed against your slight annoyance at a picture on a website you glanced at for a few seconds?\n\nEdit: What an odd statement to be downvoted for. I'm not advocating for the upheaval of an entire subreddit's rules and it's not like /r/pics is FLOODED with pics of people who have survived suicide attempts. When one arrives, maybe give it a pass instead of giving in to your inflexible cynicism. Or don't and go crucify the next person who dares swear in a showerthought.",
"No one cares about the fact it's a girl or boy stoo trying to stir that pot. It's only getting backlash because this sub used to just have cool pictures now it has facebooky \"tell-me-how-great-I-am\" posts. So everyone is very happy that no one committed suicide. That is not the problem. We are fine with pictures of girls, in fact some might say they prefer them. We just don't need the selfie sob stories.",
"See you on the next front page post!",
"Somebody somewhere is celebrating 7 years of depression with a successful suicide attempt. ",
"Congrats OP! Don’t worry about what the haters are saying.",
"Well done dear. Yeah, you should always be happy no matter how hard life is. Hardships and sufferings are part of our life, we should not give up coz everyone's going through hard times but we should have strength to overcome them. There's always a new day. You'll find how beautiful life is regardless of the ugly situation as long as you try to live it.",
"Oh, you know what every person ever has done, is doing, or will do? What a neat power to have.",
"'a selfie'",
"And negative things at the bottom of every post",
"Guys, I think she's a ghost that's been dead seven years",
"Lotta negative posts here for some reason...But, I'd like to say- Congrats on overcoming your unhappiness! Hope you continue along that way and can help others that were in similar situations.",
"almost 7 years sober, and I hate absolutely everything.",
"Jfc what's with all the gatekeeping? ",
"Did he say strap in or strap on?",
"It's not a reaction to talking about suicide. It's that Reddit is one giant circle jerk with smaller \"sub\" circle jerks known as \"subreddits\". You see, if they see something that makes them feel insignificant, or that someone may have accomplished something they didn't, or if they're just in a particularly bad mood they lash out call strangers karma whores and whatnot. My guess is it's a lot of free time and misplaced rage, but what do I know? It's also important to note that if the world in general likes something, the majority of Reddit hates it on principle. Is it because they're rebels? Bitter at the world? Just assholes in general? Who's to say?",
"Get this fake garbage off my reddit. Thank you",
"> I wonder if a selfie of a man was posted with this same title if the response would be so vicious.\n\nYou \"wonder\" that because you ignore it every time it happens.\n\nJust like how you ignore how much easier it is to generate karma and attention for girls on reddit.\n\nIt's called \"confirmation bias\".\n\nAny other stupid and easy questions you want to ask yourself?",
"*grabs popcorn*",
"Boo!",
"“Oh, you stopped trying to kill yourself? Here’s a few ways you could make my reddit experience more how I would prefer it to be, because right now I’m looking at something in a place that isn’t where I would prefer to be looking at it”\n\nGood lord",
"What's jfc?",
"Thanks bro. People are dicks.",
"I’ll marry you",
"Oh no, your precious time is being wasted, what a crime",
"Basically every top level comment is crying about how this isn’t a good enough post, *and* you’re still going to try to be a victim ",
"This post isn't even an hour old and there are already *way* more preemptive virtue signalling posts complaining about \"toxicity\" than there are actual toxic comments.\n\nYou're going to end up hurting yourself if you pat yourself on the back all day long for doing things that accomplished nothing and required no real effort or sacrifice from you.\n\n",
"So here's a selfie to celebrate!",
"Not the most relevant question, but how does your schizophrenia manifest itself during a manic episode compared to if your mood is otherwise stable?",
"And you better be a good looking grill too or else RIP your karma score. ",
"Jeffery For Christ, it's a new movement to try and elect a new messiah. Pretty much downvote and let them know that Jeffery is not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. ",
"THANK YOU",
"8+ over here - fuck the naysayers, glad you saw the abyss and lived ;-)",
"Call damn ghost busters! Hmm Does somebody know their number?",
"Your posts seem to indicate you really hates jerks. I'm not sure you're in the right business that your username indicates. ",
"Someone call dead Bruce Willis",
"Jfc!",
"Jesus fucking christ, moron.",
"Keep fighting the good fight, friend.",
"Good for you. stay vigilant ",
"I'm gonna create all these throwaways tonight and flood r/pics with all random pictures of people i find from the net. Each with their own short blurb on their turn-around from adversity.\n\nEveryone will see it...and you know what. We're gonna save some lives! I can feel it already.",
"Fuck you douchebag. Jeffery died for your sins!",
"Life is beautiful, everyday. ",
"Watch the sass!",
"Proud of you! You go girl :)",
"Shiiit. I'm about what?...6 min without anything. I still hate everything. No worries man. It never goes away... ",
"You're pretty.",
"Strap on is no parts spelled backwards.",
"If it was an everyday pic from 6 years ago and an everyday pic from today it could absolutely help. ",
"You look old for a seven year old.",
"/u/courtydibiasio, thank you for your submission! Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule IV - Title violates title guidelines.\n\nYour title must directly relate to the event in the picture. \n\nYou can read the full information about our title guidelines at /r/pics/w/titles\n\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/courtydibiasio&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pboub/today_marks_seven_years_suicide_attempt_free_i/?context=10\\))",
"Grats you. ",
"How am I trying to be a victim? ",
"No, more of this comment is pointing out that there's no reason for us to care. I've gone my whole life without trying to kill myself, does that mean I should be on the front page?\n\nThese posts are really just about getting karma and attention, same as the progress pics everyone and their aunt is posting lately. There is no reason for me to care, other than to praise the person. ",
">You \"wonder\" that because you ignore it every time it happens.\n\nNope. It doesn't happen as often for men.\n\n> Just like how you ignore how much easier it is to generate karma and attention for girls on reddit.\n\nSee above statement. However one thing I *do* notice is how viciously reddit attacks nearly any post with a woman that reaches the front page in any context. \"HURR DURR UPVOTED BECAUSE GURL HURR DURR\"",
"Good mod. ",
"I really don’t like the “7 years suicide attempt free” on your title.\n\nYou’re implying like as if you had an addiction and you have to be vigilant otherwise you just might attempt suicide one more time, and relapse!\n\nIt doesn’t work that way.\n\nYour post is very lame.",
"I'm not sure how to answer this.\n\nI was never diagnosed as schizophenic but as schizo-affective. My current pdoc says that was an irresponsible doctor. But, that was at least 12 years before I saw her so who the hell knows what was going on at the time. I definitely was having both audio and visuals, but I was pretty fucked up emotionally.\n\nOh...and one of the reasons I try to be open about my struggles is just in case someone can relate to it and maybe stabilize.\n\nNone of the diagnosis really ever mattered. It doesn't matter what docs say I have, just if they can help not feel like shit and want to die. I mean, the first diagnosis was kind of nice because then it fell into the \"we can treat it and fix it\" category instead of feeling completely hopeless.\n\nI really didn't answer your question at all did I? I'm sorry. I'll think about it a bit more.",
"You really don't have to. I can understand any time that may have happened is literal hell and it's hard to look back and try to coherently put into words. And how frustrating is the term \"not otherwise specified\", or nos (rhetorical). ",
"Alas, you were the one to anger Reddit.",
"If this is real, good for you. Ignore the haters, who are sure to come. If you are at any risk of relapse, I’d suggest taking this down.",
"> is literal hell\n\nThank you for understanding. I'm more than happy to talk about my experiences in hopes of removing stigma or helping someone. But yeah, there is a year of my life that I don't really remember other than misery and a few mental images of being ok.",
"Pretty sure all of the actual negative comments angered reddit but nice try though. You get an A for effort. ",
"[Wow](https://imgur.com/gallery/WrKPhfd)",
"Don't post bullshit to default subs and you won't get flak",
"Yes, I know \"what every person ever has done, is doing, or will do.\" Youre right, it is a neat power. \n\nI'm getting a vision now....\n\n",
"You used a pic of a \"suicidal person\" for internet points (congrats) and then lectured from your soapbox. Gfy",
"I responded to a comment on the pic, not the pic itself. And aren't you here now, lecturing me from yours?\n\n",
"Not too many people would admit to using a suicidal person for internet points, good for you.\n\nEdit: I wonder if you can donate that gold to a good cause....",
"Seems like you are trying to prove a narrative you invented, but whatevs :)",
"What's wrong with praising people? If you don't want to then just...dont. But why bug?",
"Awesome!"
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"\"PS I have a family too, please contact them as well. But the dog carer first\"",
"Priorities, man, priorities.",
"These should be available at every shelter, hell maybe I should take advantage of those \"first 50 business cards free\" deals and hit my local places.",
"My dog is my emergency contact, so I think I'll be alright",
"My dog did this to me, don't avenge my death. I probably deserved it. Dogs do no wrong. ",
"“And tell my cat he’s a pos. He’ll understand.”",
"Person to dog: Your human is having an emergency.\n\nDog to person: I'm on it.",
"Thanks. Not something I would have thought of but I will print one of these up.",
"Doesn't help if you have an accident at home and you live alone with your pet. \nStill, this is helpful. ",
"For the lonely dog owner who has no family, significant other, or good friends around town. ",
"Family can feed itself!",
"I put a note on the banner of my phone to contact an ICE contact to notify pet at home.",
"works for people who always leave their dog at home. I try to have my dog with me at all times when I'm not at work. Would be weird to have people looking for my dog at home instead of around my incapacitated body.",
"These should be included when you buy a wallet. ",
"“Puss Of Significance, damn straight I am” -your cat’s response ",
"> Hold My Bone",
"So it's okay when a dog says it, but when I do, I get sent to HR.",
"Homeward bound 13",
"I decided to see if this is a subreddit already, and lucky enough it is lol ",
"\"If this card is found in my dog's poop, please gather it all up from the yard and give me a proper burial.\"",
"Colby 2012",
" I also have these cards in my wallet for my pups. It was kinda of a weird day when I filled it out and called my brother to make sure he was a good contact. \n I felt really adulty and sort of sad. At 31 I guess I am becoming an adult finally. ",
"You know what I'd like to say to dog owners everywhere? \n\n**Put a fucking tag on your dog's collar! Or better yet, microchip your dog *and* put a tag on its collar.**\n\nI work in a vets office that takes in strays. Every single day we get dogs *with collars* and no fucking tag on that shit. Sometimes it'll have a rabies tag on there but nothing else. Don't be a lazy POS dog owner, buy a fucking $3 tag and put your damn information on it. ",
"I just got one too as well as the “in case of fire” window clings that say how many animals are in the house.",
"Having good friends does mean your dog cant starve in a week before anyone shows up at your house to feed him because your friends/family had something else on thier mind. Maybe a close friend or family member just died or is in the hospital. ",
"I got this [keychain ](https://iheartdogs.com/product/my-pet-is-home-alone-double-sided-embroidery-canvas-key-chain/) for the same purpose. If I’m not in my car driving it, my keys are always attached to my belt loop so I always have it. It’s easily noticeable, and great quality. And you feed 4 shelter dogs when you buy one!",
"'Shit, we forgot about Marty's dog.'\n\n'...at least we remembered to steal his wallet.'",
"My dog just mastered sit, shake, speak, and clear browser history. I think I'm all set. ",
"/r/holdmybone",
"Neat.",
"What about dogs that bite everyone but their pack?\n",
"\"Hello? Yes this is dog\"",
"For sure, but i don't get what that has to do with a situation where i'm unable to go care for my dog at home?",
"I understand that it is a bad idea to get a dog if you leave it alone all day.\n\nI would like a dog, but I live alone and work weekdays.",
"If you die at home your dog won’t need to eat for a while. He’ll be fine.",
"ok but why is the first letter of almost every word capitalized?",
"\"That's odd, no license or ID, just this card in the ID slot, how am I supposed to figure out who this guy is and where his dog lives?\"",
"Noooooo",
"We’re addressing dog owners everywhere. As long as we’ve got their ear, might as well point out another helpful piece of information. ",
"The hell is up with your font?",
"There are a lot of single senior citizens who have a pet at home. They might want such a card on their person in the event of a stroke or heart attack or other accident that leaves them incapacitated away from home. Rescue or hospital staff can see this as they go through the afflicted person's wallet and that could make the difference between a rescued pet and a dead pet.",
"There are a lot of single senior citizens who have a pet at home. They might want such a card on their person in the event of a stroke or heart attack or other accident that leaves them incapacitated away from home. Rescue or hospital staff can see this as they go through the afflicted person's wallet and that could make the difference between a rescued pet and a dead pet.",
"There are a lot of single senior citizens who have a pet at home. They might want such a card on their person in the event of a stroke or heart attack or other accident that leaves them incapacitated away from home. Rescue or hospital staff can see this as they go through the afflicted person's wallet and that could make the difference between a rescued pet and a dead pet.",
"Not everyone leaves their dog alone all day. But theres certain places I wont take my dog, like the grocery store (no one want dog hair on their bananas), or someones house if theyre not okay with it",
"Dog: did you try barking at it?",
"There are numerous dog walking services that you can hire to come take your dog out during the day. Dogs will sleep a lot between 8-5 and if you give them a loving home / commit your non working time to them they will be happy. Being home alone for a few hours is a whole lot better than being alone in a shelter. My wife and I both work full time but have someone let the dogs out during lunch. Our two humane society puppies seem to be very happy.",
"He indented with 4 spaces causing reddit to show it in monospace font. ",
"Forever Alone Dog Owners Everywhere.*",
"My mum has one of these on her key ring.... I live at home with her and the dogs. Think she forgot I exist...",
"I was not criticizing the photo, just wondering for my personal situation.",
"I can image that it makes a lot of difference if you have two dogs instead of one.\n\nBut I also worry about the dog destroying my house when I am not at home (and I would feel bad for him for being alone). I guess if a dog does that, the situation is not OK.",
">For dog owners everywhere\n\nMore like \"For dog owners without any friends or family, but a coworker who unknowingly is to take care of there late associate's pet.\"",
"I can see them working if someone who is not bound by HIPAA finds them, but wouldn't this be a violation? I'm not a medical professional and I'm not trying to be a negative Nancy, just curious.",
"i was Wondering the Same Thing",
"She doesn’t give a shit about you either, fuckface.",
"I'm a vet. You can put your vet on there, too, so the person taking care of them will have the vet's number if the pet gets sick or anything. This seems to happen pretty often. Somebody will bring a dog in when grandma is in the hospital. Having a sick relative can be really overwhelming, with visits to the hospital and all that. Having everything spelled out like this can really help. ",
"No, individuals can’t violate HIPAA regarding themselves. I don’t think this contains any protected medical information anyway. Unless I completely misunderstood your comment ",
"Do they make the same for kids?",
"Oh I would totally have one of these if I had a dog...",
"My dog doesn't have a wallet.",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2PipthMnQU",
"Hmm I dunno my font looks totally normal? ",
"Damn you're brave... how do you give a cat a needle...",
"You know most firefighters won't look for pets... I love dogs and think it's sad but right. I'd go in for them though.",
"Where can I get one?!",
"This is for the person that has a dog and no one else.",
"Just seems like having a general \"Emergency Contact\" in your wallet handles this problem, unless you have specific different people ready to go to handle various aspects of your life in an emergency; i.e., I'm not sure why this is 'pet-specific'",
"Depending on your property size and activity level there is no reason you cannot have a dog while you work weekdays. I own 2 Border Collies and my partner and I work 50-60 hours a week. We have a reasonably large property for inner city standards and they are walked for an hour a day. They are kept in the house all day while we are gone and they are very healthy and happy. Our Vet cannot believe they are 12 years old as one if them looks like a 3-4 year old. Good food, exercise and love is all they need.",
"I own a 120 square meter house with very small yard.\n\nOn a separate note, how much does a dog walking service cost in general?",
"Oh yeah the 'ol IISIESPCILBTCCMDH, clearly an acronym for, I insist sluts inadvertently each send pics in leather because to care clearly means don't hesitate... aka send nudes",
"They will if they’re notified by a sign, sticker, or neighbors.",
"Cat - \"There's something wrong with my owner? Good.\"",
"Just call the provided number and tell them: \"You have been activated, dog awaits you\". They will know what it means.\n",
"For comparison I own a 250m2 house on a 850m2 section which is the smallest I would consider for our dogs. Border Collies are a very active bread though so I would still not write it off in your situation. I am in NZ and it is about $25 for 1 dog for 1 hours walk.",
"thanks",
"People who do have families generally wouldn't need this card, would they?",
"Yeah, this is a \"nice idea\", but it's actually pointless if you have a normal \"emergency contact\". Because that contact person is going to know you have pet(s) that will need taken care of, so they can either do so or contact someone who can. Doing things like that is one of the main points if having an emergency contact.\n\nI mean, I guess if you have no one to be a normal \"emergency contact\", but you DO have a dog walker/sitter, then you could use this card with their number.",
"This is awesome, I really like this! ",
"This should be required for any pet owner who lives alone.",
"They mean \"telling the dog caregiver that you are sick or injured would violate HIPAA\"",
"Do you think (I'm guessing) that maybe it's to draw attention to those words I mean it did for you n me but if someone's reading it it wouldn't matter right?",
"It's camel case/proper case, ie what you use for a book title. In this type case you don't capitalize minor words like and, to, for.",
"Homeward boned",
"Where are finding tags for $3? Petsmart starts at $9. I found an online shop lowest price for $4. \nOur dogs lose their tags regularly, so I bought extras on my last order. ",
"I have one of these, except for seizures. \n\nI've had seizures for a few years now, and last year - my insurance ran out and I can't afford it right now. The one in my wallet says, \"Do not call an ambulance in the event that I have a seizure. Please protect my head and wait for me to regain conciousness, please.\" \n\nI had to make it myself after I had a seizure at work and while I was out cold they called an ambulance, ordered head scans, etc. etc. etc. \n\nWoke up to the doctor telling me to drink a cold glass of water, and a $40,000 hospital bill. To make things better, my boss was in the room when I revealed my albeit embarassing medical details because I didn't know he was in the room and I was arguably fuzzy. He's not family. ",
"Edit:\nDidn't read the card assumed something stupid was on it and posted crap from the soap box. Went up again read the card and it was ok. Sorry.",
"But 'this' is capitalized as well",
"Based on my experience working within HIPAA regulations, I think this would be considered (or could be justified as) consent to disclose information. Especially if this person initialed or signed the card. I'm not an expert by any means, but that is how I would view it. ",
"I was meaning to ask if it was more an accident or not.",
"More information is always better than not enough information. What about in the instance when the emergency contact lives a considerable distance away and can only help via phone for the first 24-48 hours? Family members also don't always share your priorities, so there could be cases where said family member doesn't care if your dog is cared for, and you're aware of that, so you need to list someone that will also care about your pet. My point is, in some scenarios this could be additional peace of mind for the dog owner that their pet is safe and cared for. That's never pointless. ",
"yeah plus it's not a title",
"It's a quite well-used method for a leading paragraph in blogs and written works, but obviously it doesn't fly well on Reddit.",
"AWESOME idea",
"I've had so much trouble getting my dog to use the mouse. How do you get dogs used to them.",
"My ICE contact is my brother. I'm reasonably sure he can infer that my dog will need looking after... ",
"“My life is kind of sad. Please don’t judge me.”",
"Keyboard shortcuts",
"/u/mals1767 we need these.",
"I'll set some up for the dog. He can only hit 2 keys at once, so I'll need to make it a simple one.",
"Yes we do (:",
"Director's cut",
"I think this is how you get stress",
"Really r/pics? A picture of a fucking card in a wallet? ",
"And no licence.",
"*ps- call my wife and tell her I love the dog*",
"I have one of these in my wallet with all my contact information for my Apartment and emergency contact. I ride a motorcycle, so if anything happens, I know that my Dog won't be forgotten as well. ",
"Because it looks important? I feel like turning important sentences into psuedo-titles is the new greengrocer's apostrophe.",
"My family won’t starve to death if I don’t check in!",
"The hospital contacts someone at some point to advise of an injury or emergency. I would think that the people in your life know you well enough to know you have a dog at home. ",
"Was written by the dog and he doesn't know proper grammar.",
"True. Just a bit of shits and gigs my friend ;)",
"THAT IS GENIUS!!!!",
"Lol, no they won't.",
"Cuz he's Tony Ferguson?",
"We know your dog is home alone. The goddamn thing has not stopped howling since you left.",
"\"Tell my dog plan 749b is a go. He knows what to do.\" Dog clears browser history and drags gas can in from garage. ",
"Dog owners everywhere don't all speak english though.",
"/r/holdthebone",
"Go to the hospital and speak to social work. Not financial services but social work FIRST. Dont say I make too much blah blah blah just go down and explain what a financial hardship this is and the ANXIETY its causing you. Programs exsist to get you insured and deal with your debt. Im a 40 year paramedic and foster dad the system is in place but hard to navigate so you need a social work sherpa to get you up the mountain so to speak. As someone diagnosed with a cronic disease you have protections in place you just need to find them. Be safe.",
">For SINGLE dog owners everywhere\n\nFTFY",
"Butch has a card, says, \"IF MY GUY IS FOUND DEAD, I call dibs on his side of the bed & that spot on the sofa.\" ⚫ And hopefully, it is not Butch that finds me at room temperature first. He is a gourmet. And a Manx.",
"My only family is my father in law, he wouldnt have a clue what to do with the dogs. Hates dogs, in fact. So my emergency contact is our best friends.",
"r/lifeprotips",
"comedy gold",
"It's capitalized in the same way as you would a book title (omitting words like \"to,\" \"the,\" etc. Weird.",
"So when I steal your wallet you want me to feel bad about your mutt?\n\nToo bad i'm a cat person",
"Great idea!",
"Cheer up! She might just think you're not human!",
"https://i.imgur.com/Cxagv.jpg",
"It would just be \"Telling the dog caregiver that they need to attend to the dog.\"",
"I read it by heart",
"What a deep msg",
"But any logical person would know that an unidentified stranger calling and telling them to take care of the dog means that they're being hospitalized.",
"I mean, thats a pretty lonely life if enough time is going to pass between you getting hurt and a family member going, \"what about his dog\" that you need one of these.\n",
"Right, I forgot the English word \"family\" can refer to people you don't ordinarily live with - a bit of a language barrier, my mistake.",
"They could be dead too. The point is that the individual has signed a card acknowledging it's okay to contact that person to let me know to take care of the animal. If that's all you're doing, you're not violating HIPPA, whether that person speculates or not.",
"U WOT M8",
"Haha... Wait, what? It's real?! Sweet Lassie I'm subscribing ",
"Curious how they got them that cheap. I order 1k every 6 months or so and it's usually about $80 with custom front/back art.",
"Because it’s a poem.",
"How long did that take you?",
"Sounds like a bad emergency contact then.",
"Paper weight, texture, use of colours and design (custom or \"plain\").",
"Are you a medical professional? I'm not, so I don't know if what you are saying is true or not, and I don't think you should state it as fact unless you are. There's a ton of provisions in HIPAA that seem counterintuitive but are in place for good reason. This could result in someone signing these cards and thinking their pets are safe even though the cards could essentially do nothing.",
"\"Oh my God, he's having a seizure. Quick, check his wallet,\" said no one, ever.\n\n",
"Great idea!\n\n",
"LOLOLOL",
"I guess that means me. I moved away from my home state, have a dog, but no family lives within 800 miles of me. My emergency contact that I put down is my mom, but she lives 5 states away.\n\nI don't have a significant other, my closest friends are an hour away. Other than coworkers I don't know anyone in the town where I live. ",
"> and can only help via phone for the first 24-48 hours?\n\nYou just answered your own question (and I already did in my first post too). \nYour emergency contact calls someone to feed/care for your pets. Making such calls and arrangements is the entire POINT of having an emergency contact.\n\n> said family member doesn't care if your dog is cared for, and you're aware of that.\n\nThen that makes them a pretty bad choice as an emergency contact. \nYou're supposed to chose a person who you can count on to make arrangements and contact the additional people who need to know.\n\nI'm not saying you shouldn't have an emergency pet caretaker, but there's no reason to use this card and rely on a random stranger to contact that care taker, when that's already included in the traditional \"emergency contact\" deal. Just make sure your emergency contact has your backup pet caretaker's number and knows to call them.\n\nYou're trying to reinvent the wheel here",
"I used to work in a hospital, but not currently. Employees can pass along non-medical information at the request of patients. \n\nIf it's not “individually identifiable health information,” it's not covered under HIPAA. \n\nFirst responders might not make the contact because they might be concerned about HIPAA or they have a boss who is overly concerned about HIPAA, but it wouldn't actually be a violation.",
"I'm not so sure about that. My neighbor had a house fire and that was the second thing they asked about. They asked about people first. ",
"isntThisCamelCase?",
"If they get there and it's safe to, sure. They wont risk their lives for pets.",
"I didn't say it was executed well.",
"Medical professionals check everyone's wallet if they are unconcious for medical info after administering immidiate care.",
"Tried all this. I've filled out application after application. There's nothing to navigate in my state, very conservative.",
"What state? ",
"Happy Cakeday, my dude! ",
"I am a paramedic and I've never checked anyone's wallet.\n\nThey do that at the hospital hours later, not after immediate care.",
"Dog: Attempt lvl1 borking and then lick your own balls for ten minutes. Let me know how that works."
] | 161 |
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[
"[this is the article ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/animalia/wp/2018/01/09/these-alligators-spent-days-trapped-in-swamp-ice-and-survived/?utm_term=.d9a021010b3d) ",
"The alligator survived ",
"Yay!!! Because my first thought was \"someone help it!!!!\" ☺",
"“Hey! Little help here. Not used to this ice shit...”",
"They're not trapped per say.\n\nThey're brumating. Basically the ectotherm's version of hibernation. They'll be fine once the ice thaws/thins."
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alligator trapped in swamp ice
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/r/pics/comments/7pbsuj/shes_the_best_companion_i_have_ever_had/
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[
"A wolf.......?",
"I was thinking the same. ",
"“Why are we stopping?\nLet’s go, I’ve got this....”",
"I'm waiting for the Reddit obligatory \"it's probably not a wolf dog\" post.. but this one really does look part wolf",
"She wolf?",
"Sasha is a grey wolf/Alaskan malamute mix. Album if interested of her and her son. https://imgur.com/a/eKYhz",
"Sasha is a grey wolf/Alaskan malamute mix. Album if interested of her and her son. https://imgur.com/a/eKYhz",
"She's like, \"Are you coming?\"",
"They both look like awesome dogs. Boris looks like an absolute beast, and a dog that steals the whole bed if he climbs onto it for a nap."
] | 9 |
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She’s the best companion I have ever had.
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/r/pics/comments/7pbt5k/is_this_my_invite_to_the_illuminati/
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[
"They weren't done making the deathly hallows",
"Confirmed!",
"If you have to ask... probably not.",
"Only if you find the hypotenuse. "
] | 4 |
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Is this my invite to the Illuminati?
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/r/pics/comments/7pbu5t/we_come_home_to_our_cat_sitting_like_this_daily/
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[
"Cats just rule. They do what they want",
"It's true, they literally just do whatever they're feline at the moment. ",
"Oh my god",
"Worst pun ever. So why am I laughing?",
"hey, hey, hey! only pawsitive comments here! \n\nmeow...go upvote",
"You gotta be kitten me."
] | 6 |
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We come home to our cat sitting like this daily... he is a strange dude
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/r/pics/comments/7pbw87/cheap_puy/
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[
"100% natural that's the way to go",
"I must import this immediately ",
"Tastes a little \"fishy\" tho.",
"Pussy tastes like shit",
"Wrong hole.",
"Remember... You get what you pay for.",
"Reporting this mad lad for almost saying \"pussy\" on the internet!",
"Pussy, pussy, pussy!\nCome on in Pussy lovers!\nHere at the Titty Twister we’re slashing pussy in half!\nGive us an offer on our vast selection of pussy!\nThis is a pussy blow out!\nAlright, we got white pussy, black pussy, spanish pussy, yellow pussy. We got hot pussy, cold pussy. We got wet pussy. We got smelly pussy. We got hairy pussy, bloody pussy. We got snapping pussy. We got silk pussy, velvet pussy, naugahyde pussy. We even got horse pussy, dog pussy, chicken pussy.\nC'mon, you want pussy, come on in Pussy Lovers!\nIf we don’t got it, you don't want it!\nCome on in Pussy lovers!\nAttention pussy shoppers!\nTake advantage of our penny pussy sale!\nIf you buy one piece of pussy at the regular price, you get another piece of pussy of equal or lesser value for only a penny!\nTry and beat pussy for a penny!\nIf you can find cheaper pussy anywhere, fuck it!"
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Cheap pu**y
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/r/pics/comments/7pbys3/my_setup_tonight/
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[
"Looks fancy. What size tv is that?",
"Cat....on....worktop. eww.",
"Your cats dead\n",
"Aw yeah living good ",
"Saving to see tomorrow’s setup.",
"57 in",
"That’s my co pilot!",
"Naw she just weird",
"Tomorrow set up will be the same 😏",
"Could easily fit a 75” in that space tbh ",
"I know my dad wants to get a bigger TV.",
"It’s missing surround sound, nice tv though!",
"We can’t get it working.",
"Needs a bigger tv ",
"This is known.",
"What kind of speakers do you have? Do you have the right wires for it?"
] | 16 |
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My setup tonight
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/r/pics/comments/7pc0mx/while_waiting_for_my_girlfriend_i_saw_a_tiny/
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"credit where credit is [due](https://imgur.com/gallery/GbbUF)",
"She's about to put some heat on that return",
"You're a better person than I.\n\nI would have scooted the table against the wall, or set up a trashcan and given her a bunch of balls. \n\nCause watching her hit the ball and going to get it is beyond sad. \n\n"
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"While waiting for my girlfriend I saw a tiny elderly lady playing ping pong by herself (shooting the ball and picking it up). I decided to give her a rally and had a blast."
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/r/pics/comments/7pc154/is_this_how_you_sell_a_g/
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[
"If you don't even have ten bucks, maybe not worry about smoking?",
"Broke boi \nIf you don't have $10, don't smoke. ",
"/u/nobber399, thank you for your submission! Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule I - No screenshots. This includes pictures of screens and photos where the interest is the contents of a screen.\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/nobber399&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pc154/is_this_how_you_sell_a_g/?context=10\\))"
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Is this how you sell a "G" ?
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"Did you do anything to help or did you just gawk and take a picture?",
"Smart move. Now there'll be less of him to feed.",
"Assuming he really does have NF there's nothing OP can really do besides pay for surgery.",
"Wrong. A call to 211 could go a long way. You never know. In fact, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt and figure you may be ignorant of the resources available to help those suffering particularly in the winter time. Or maybe you do know. Maybe you, like many, will pass a situation by because of how busy life is. But OP obviously was not too busy to post this for karma whoring. Maybe OP didn't know to call either? Perhaps a better way to treat this person besides paying for their surgery as you suggested is to respect their dignity and not take a picture.",
"Okay, So I am ignorant and am learning about these -11 numbers. Is there a website I can learn about them? which number does what? ",
"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/N11_code \nHere you go. ",
"'a homeless'? You mean a homeless person?"
] | 7 |
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Saw a homeless with flesh-eating bacteria(Necrotizing fasciitis)
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[
"Right off fifth street. ",
"Is it striking Oakland or still downtown?",
"Upper Strip District actually. Close to Lawrenceville and/or Bloomfield.",
"“Fuck this one Primanti Bros in particular.” - God, probably",
"Thor?",
"You should find out what businesses are at the location of the strike and sell them a framed print. ",
"Tom Cruise is shaking in his boots somewhere."
] | 7 |
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A coworker and friend of mine snapped this pic during a storm several years ago. From the 57th floor of the US Steel Tower in Pittsburgh, PA.
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[
"The lady on the left is wrong.",
"I’ve hear you use the cane on the side that needs help. So I think she’s using it right (Or at least more right). ",
"right.",
"Not according to Dr. House ",
"The point is to remove pressure from the affected limb. If it's on the opposite side, when you step with that leg you put the cane on the ground at the same time, so the weight is divided 50/50. If you carry it on the same side, you're putting all of the weight on that leg; unless you put the cane on the ground at the same time, which is kind of awkward - when you walk, shoulders move opposite of legs, plus it may cause some balance issues, and makes you lean to the side which isn't good for your back.\n\nBut the man doesn't seem to be using it properly either, the cane should be off the ground at that point in gait (he seems to be at left midstance).\n\nSource: podiatrist",
"I would think they are non prescribed mobility aids. Perhaps they got them from the $2 shop. They certainly haven't been measured and fitted and trained on how to use a cane.\n\nBoth are using the cane the wrong way.",
"I mean, Righty's cane is off the ground in the pic.",
"Sometimes the right way is just whatever works.. if someone’s fallen and hurt their leg they may well have hurt their arm or hand too.. \nI wouldn’t use my bad hand/arm just because it’s the correct arm for my injured leg. \nSimilarly if I only had one arm... that’s probably the arm I’d use to hold the cane... ‘probably’ \n\n",
"And House is always right.",
"Not according to House's physiotherapist in the episode \"Whack-a-Mole\". She tells him he's using it wrong.\n\nWhile they don't go into it in much depth on the show, you want it in the off-hand of the injury so you can maintain the natural opposite side arm-swing gait that most people use. \n\nWatch how awkward House is when he tries to step forward with his right (injured) leg and his right arm at the same time. \n\nThat's why he ended up in physiotherapy with a sore arm. All the weight was going *clunk clunk* into his shoulder instead of being absorbed by his entire upper body in concert.",
"Old mate on the right has two canes."
] | 11 |
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Surely one of them is using their cane the wrong way?!?
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"An album of the process (not mine.)\n\nhttps://imgur.com/gallery/PBUKx",
"The enemies gate is down\n(Book not movie)",
"This position is impossible.",
"Why impractical?\n",
"Looks great!!! Never seen a vertical chess board. ",
"Excellent point, I interpreted as something you action when passing through. Say at a bathroom door, so might not resolve itself for a week. Loser cleans the bathtub, kitchen or garage......",
"y tho\n",
"Explain ",
"It's possible, but impractical. The white rook could have come out taken a black pawn, and went back to its original spot. The black pawn has taken the white pawn and is now doubled up on the h-file.",
"It's not: \n\n(1. a4 b6 2. a5 bxa5 3. b3 Nc6 4. Bb2 Bb7 5. Be5 Bc8 6. Bxc7 Bb7 7. Be5 Bc8 8. Bb2 Bb7 9. Bc1 Bc8)\n\nSure, these moves are really impractical, but the position is possible.",
"Be an interesting piece if you lived with a roommate. Each time one of you walks by it and it's your turn, you get to make a move. ",
"It's mean to be played over a long period of time, as each player passes by in their normal routine. The marker in front of the knight indicates the last move.",
"Checkmate, Star Trek 3d-chess.",
"THANKS FOR THE CLARIFICATION, I WAS ABOUT TO DOWNVOTE YOU IN A FIT OF RAGE.",
"> h-file\n\na-file.\n\nThe board is set up from black side.\n\n",
"This deserves gold. \n\nCompletely impractical and making beginner mistakes.\n\nBut how the hell did you figure it out? \n\nI was trying to figure out a simple pawn exchange and that clearly was not working. I did not even consider the bishops being brought out to play and then returning to starting location.\n\nNow I wonder how many solutions there are to this setup.\n\nAnd, clearly, person who moved these pieces is either, not well versed in chess, or did not give a shit.\n\nOh, and if that marker on the knight means last move, you need to add another 4 moves, moving knight back and forth, and moving one of white's knights, bishop, or rook, back and forth.",
"What is the purpose of that tab in front of the knight?",
"Haha thanks. The way I showed is just one of many though; pretty sure there's a way of doing it by bringing out the rook or the knight as well. The key idea is that the pawn on c7 needs to go, but can't be taken by a white pawn as that would mess up white's final pawn structure.",
"I believe it marks what the last move was, so you know whose turn it is.",
"Think about like a continual game you play with someone you live with over time where any time one of you walks past the board if it's your turn you make a move. Idk seems like it could be fun to me",
"You could also do that with a regular board. It does have a certain appeal as a wall decoration though. ",
"It's definitely more visible and more out of the way than usual. I've never seen someone use something to show what they just moved before. ",
"If you play with someone really short you’ll win",
"Love this idea.",
"I made one almost exactly like this for my brother a few years ago. Mine didn't have the storage drawer or \"last move\" marker (which is an awesome idea and I'm totally copying it) though.\n\nHe used it exactly as described, playing ongoing long-term games with his housemates.",
"It also takes up less room. ",
"I’ve never seen a game of chess with a minimum height requirement before. *sad face because I’m vertically challenged.*",
"lol"
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Vertical Chess Boards
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[
"Treehenge.",
"That aligned my chakras somehow thanks! ",
"Obviously shopped. A full moon is always opposite the sun in the sky.",
"Pretty sure this isn't possible, unless this is some extreme latitude trick. A full moon wouldn't be anywhere near a rising or setting sun.",
"Those are some long trees.",
"Full moon only appears directly opposite the sun -- it only ever rises exactly at Sunset.",
"On Earth, so this must be a different planet.",
"Sounds right, but I’m no biologist.",
"Fake pic",
"[repost](https://imgur.com/OOFRJvr) ",
"No they fucking don't.",
"Maybe this is one of those 360° pictures."
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Sun and moon align
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[
"With that haircut, he looks like Lloyd Christmas after he got his chipped tooth fixed.",
"Goddamn, I miss Leonard Nimoy. ",
"Oh gawd you're right. I've actually heard that song before but did not know that was Spock that wrote it",
"What the hell are you talking about? That's hilarious! ",
"By \"fucking awful\", you really mean \"man, this is kinda cool because it's so awful\", right? It's the kind of awful that you can't help but listen to and laugh about at least once a year.\n",
"i love his smile so much",
"Fairly sure that's Jaime Lee Curtis",
"Were they dropping LSD https://youtu.be/ewuzu90Kvt4"
] | 8 |
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Leonard Nimoy with a Hobbit Hole cake in honor of his song “The Ballad Of Bilbo Baggins” (1968)
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[
"Step 1: get in tent with the fish ",
"That water probably smells worse than my toilet, and these guys eat from it every day. Tough motherfuckers. Americans whinge if they get a Big Mac with no pickles.",
"What's the purpose of covering themselves ? ",
"To see into the water and to disturb the fish less",
"Actually, only the one guy was fishing: the guy in the background was hiding from his wife.",
"Photographs steal their soul. Oh wait, wrong indians."
] | 6 |
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Fishermen catching fish in India
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[
"http://www.wionews.com/world/nasas-juno-sends-back-captivating-pictures-of-jupiter-28992",
"The unmixed paint of planets.",
"What I would give to see it in person...",
"Your life, I guess, with current technology. ",
"Proves that Van Gogh was a space traveler. ",
"first thought it's just an ordinary painting.. crazy picture",
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!",
"/r/evilplanets",
"With no context I would've thought this was a surreal van gogh style painting",
"NASA is awesome. \n\nhttps://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/index.php?search=JunoCam",
"Clearly a dinosaur in the top left. \n\nWhat else is the government hiding from us?!?",
"I assume this is a result of the long exposures needed to capture it?",
"Are those all visible light? Is it edited in any way? Is it artists render?",
"Gorgeous and extremely intimidating knowing many earths could fit in this image ",
"I see it also",
"More or less real colour. Also, those funnels and cauldrons are tens of thousands of feet deep. ",
"looks like a special paintjob over exotic wood on a guitar.",
"Absolutely hypnotic. \nI wish I was one of those people with money, I’d have that framed and hanging on my wall. ",
"so who would win in a fight? jupiters great red spot at 3 earth volumes and 384mph winds or neptunes great storm at 1 earth volume but wind speeds over 1000mph?",
"People will believe just anything...",
"Like a mixture of Van Gogh and Dali.",
"/r/unstirredpaint",
"That's not a real photo",
"gnarly",
"I feel like...... flat earthers.... are going to use this as \"definitive proof\" that NASA's making this shit up.",
"holy butts i've never seen a pic of jupiter that depicted blue spots",
"Faaaaaake. 😁",
"Lets hear the propaganda from the low IQ flat earth idiots. ",
"I'd like a sense of scale. For instance would north america fit into that picture?",
"They would probably forget their differences, and unite, merging into a giant super-super-storm-cell.",
"They probably will. \n\nBut fortunately the Flat-Earthers have no relevance to our lives! \n\nI strongly suspect most are suffering from a delusional disorder of some sort, sadly (if so, technically it's not their fault). Thus if it's not the conspiracy of the flatness of Earth they cling to, then it would be some other conspiracy theory. \n\nAnd of course with delusional disorders intelligence is not a factor, so it's not as if they are \"stupid\", quite the opposite actually, as some of their explanations for \"flat-Earth\" are actually quite creative and elaborate! \n\nSome even use fairly sophisticated math to try to justify their delusion.\n",
"Well, it is an alien planet afterall. \n\nSo alien planets are going to look... alien\n\n(unlike our common everyday experience).",
"Ahh, the chemistry of it, been churning like this for eons with becoming homogeneous. Much to learn. ",
"Even with context, I’m not 100% convinced it isn’t. ",
"Thinking about doing that. Just don't know where. It doesn't really matter the decor.",
"Either way, Georgia would have new ocean view property.",
"It's beautiful, but definitely \"artistic\" looking for a reason - the colour and contrast *have* been enhanced considerably for the sake of bringing out the details better. The real live thing is much more grey with more subtle contrast between the darks and lights (this is a polar view by the way - something we never got to see until Juno because all our previous pics of Jupiter were above the equator pretty much, so it's still amazing)",
"actually they say the colors are \"enhanced\" to help differentiate between different layers.",
"Jupiter smokes weed, cool.",
"From what I've learned, the pictures are taken in black and white and color is added by software after the fact. Who's to say this is actually what it looks like.",
"well it is more painting than photo",
"looks like a slice of purple cabbage.",
"I see it too! Looks like its about the size of the earth. ",
"Are Nasa images public domain? ",
"He was. Big Blue Box. ",
"Jupiter dabs. ",
"\"I don't understand photography. Therefore its not a real photo\"",
"And what would the nerds and dweebs at NASA have to gain by lying to the public for decades? You seriously think NASA would be able to lie without at least one whistle blower?",
"Art",
"[Yeah, a *couple* of times - scale comparison between Jupiter and Earth](http://www.praschinger.com/solar_system/earth-jupiter_scale.gif)",
"I mean, they're *alright..*",
"Does anyone know where i can get a high res version of this suitable for printing and framing and hanging on a wall?",
"I meant relative to op's photograph",
"If i was Galactus, I'd drink that.",
"When Elon tweeted that thing about \"flat mars\" they came out of the woodwork saying they know Mars is round because they can observe it. Most of them probably accept jupiter's sphericity. \n\nEDIT: [here](https://twitter.com/FlatEarthOrg/status/935644892721762305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iflscience.com%2Fspace%2Fflat-earth-society-responds-musks-tweet-flat-mars-society-just-cant-even%2F)",
"That looks faje",
"Look at the scale of planets. You could probably fit a hundred north America's into the pic. It was taken from orbit and it seems like you can almost see some curvature.",
"Anecdotally all the flat earthers I personally have met are uneducated hillbillies and rednecks. Dumb as dogshit would be the perfect description of them. My favorite thing is when they try to use big words. They don't know what the words mean but they throw them around all over where it doesn't make a bit of sense. Most of them are really religious as well. \n\nEven if someone isn't stupid wilful ignorance is a form of stupidity in itself. ",
"This looks really good on a screen.\n\nNow, imagine you've just been jettisoned from a spacecraft, and are doomed to fall into Jupiter. This is your view for whatever is left for you to live before you're either burned or crushed to death by its atmosphere. This is the last thing you see, for a few minutes or hours depending on your free fall velocity, and it is taking up your entire field of view. \nAs you approach the immense pain, you start making out more and more details, you see those winds and swirls move in real time, but you cannot get yourself to enjoy any of it, your mind absorbed by the feeling of abandonment, and by that lump in your throat that you felt numerous times as a kid when you're out of view of your parents, except a million times bigger, and now it's all of Humanity that is out of sight, forever.",
"At first glance I would have thought it was marbled paper. ",
"This looks like something straight out of r/unstirredpaint",
"Images captured and released by NASA employees [are public domain](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:NASA_images). However, just because something is posted online by a NASA employee doesn't necessarily mean NASA is the source (could be posted with consent from a university or private individual, for example), so it's a good idea to check and make sure NASA is credited as the actual source, as best as you can, before assuming it's public domain.",
"Yes. You've already paid for them.",
"Damn. Cannot unsee this now. ",
"I wanna know what's behind all the clouds. What's down there?",
"Only the sauce",
"Source?",
"Is jupiter a giant gas ball, or is tgere a ground you could step on?",
"lol get a grip! Total fabrication!\n",
"is it real",
"or that's fake",
"I was watching an old Nova on the Hubble telescope earlier in the week and they said the same thing. B&W offers a higher resolution than color - they didn't say why, but one could assume based on size and weight of the sensors.",
"Probably Goku.",
"That user name couldn't get more reddit.",
"Or Jupiter has Alzheimer's.",
"Jupiter has no surface to speak of. It's a big ball of gases.",
"That was a goddamned tearjerker, I tell ya. ",
"\"because reasons\"",
"\"because reasons\"",
"\"because reasons\"",
"Pretty sure this is where Illithids are from. ",
"I can’t talk about it, it’s still too soon. ",
"I'm out of the loop... What is it? ",
"An episode of Dr. Who where he goes back and meets Van Gogh. It’s one of the best episodes of the show. ",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_and_the_Doctor",
"I would have 100% believed the caption if it said \"Random Van Gogh painiting.\"",
"The Flat Earth Society twitter is satire as far as Im aware. ",
"Ah yes I remember thank you",
"If that's what it \"actually\" looks like, is there any particular reason that when planet is represented it's red/orange/brown? Just distance and reflected sunlight or something?",
"Are these the colors I would see if I were there? Or are they false colored, like UV or some other spectrum?",
"Propaganda... *...or truth?* \n\n\n",
"Dark and moody. Jupiter is kind of terrifying. ",
"this is the top/bottom ",
"Ah I see that makes sense. Thank you.",
"Not the JunoCam though that takes these pictures. It is a color camera.\n\n\"The camera uses a Kodak image sensor, the KODAK KAI-2020, capable of color imaging at 1600 x 1200 pixels\"\n\nIt's a real color photo, not computer generated after the fact. The hubble on the other hand is an older telescope and I'm sure it is true for that, especially since it takes pictures of galaxies billions of light years away. JunoCam on the other hand is on the Juno spacecraft orbiting jupiter as we speak.",
"The scale of a similar picture, from approximately the same distance Nasa describes as 5.8 miles per pixel. The US is 2680 miles horizontally by 1582 miles vertically, so it would be about 462 by 273 pixels. The JunoCam renders images at 1600 x 1200 pixels, so for that image image, you could fit approximately a dozen or so united states in there. The image I was looking at appears to be approximately the same distance or closer than this image, so this image is probably about the same or slightly more. Overall it appears to be an extremely close image I guess.\n\nEdit: The picture I was looking at where nasa describes the image as 5.8 miles per pixel was taken from 8,292 miles away from the surface. This picture OP posted was taken from 11,700 miles from the surface.\n\nSince the international space station orbits earth from 254 miles, and pictures from it can't quite capture the entire US in one photo, I'd say that my math up above is probably off, though it was just a guestimate anyway. In this particular photo by OP I'm guessing the entire continent of north america is probably the size of one of the smaller swirls at best, possible smaller, but I doubt by much. I'm thinking you could fit as many as 25-30 NA in this photo.",
"JunoCam takes color pictures.",
"Who else could be the source of this photo?",
"Van Gupiter",
"Is this colour accurate? ",
"This looks like some sort of art. It's amazing that this is real. ",
"composites ",
"Well, I wasn't answering whether *this* photo was public domain, but \"NASA images\" in general. However, I assume the point you meant to make is why anyone would see an image like this and not assume it came from NASA, and one answer is that NASA sometimes uses non-NASA conceptual imagery to portray space stuff. This image could certainly have been an artists rendition of what clouds on Jupiter look like up close and no one would have questioned it; in fact the top comments here are comparing it to a painting. For example, [here's an image posted to apod.nasa.gov](https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap180108.html) just two days ago which is copyrighted. That's why it's always good to check the source if you want to be sure.",
"But it's not. It's an artist creation supposedly based on a real photo. Just like most of the space pics you see.",
"You'd eventually get to a point where the pressure is so intense that if somehow your body could survive you couldn't progress any further without sufficient force pushing you down. So you could consider that \"ground\". There a diagram on the wiki for it. It's thought to be a sea of metallic hydrogen.",
"I think I just found a source for my phone's ew wallpaper.",
"You're telling me you don't have your own spacecraft taking planet selfies out there?",
"Shhh.",
"I need to get my eyes checked because it looks like this picture is moving.",
"For some reason, this picture gives me anxiety.",
"It looks like if somebody spilled paint thinner on a Jackson Pollock?",
"It’s a schooner!",
"That's not a live screen image for the iPhone?"
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Latest Jupiter photos are incredible
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"Amazing actor. I have never been disappointed in a performance. He has so much talent. Sad to see him in such a debilitating state. Wish you well, Tim.",
"Tim makes everything phenomenal.",
"what a glorious bastard."
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Old School Pennywise - Tim Curry (1981)
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/r/pics/comments/7pcdq7/tim_curry_on_the_streets_of_london_1969/
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[
"Time warp.",
"Again.",
"Smashing!",
"Tim Curry on the streets of Birmingham...",
"I've been entertained by everything I've seen or heard him do,",
"Floating...",
"Tim Curry = upvote, 4 life",
"Is the sign instructing people to go down on Tim Curry?",
"....",
"I heard his voice when I saw this picture",
"This deserves to be in r/OldSchoolCool.",
"It's the law...",
"Just thinkin' about going to SPAYCE.",
"OP your grandma was hot!!!",
"Thanks!"
] | 15 |
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Tim Curry - on the streets of London, 1969
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/r/pics/comments/7pcegf/wilt_chamberlain_and_mohammed_ali/
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[
"Gee, I wish I owned a couple of those chairs -- they've got to be worth a few grand apiece (at least) these days.\n\nEDIT: Eero Saarinen pedestal tulip chairs for Knoll International (1960s): $5000 for a set of six.",
"Damn dude....you know your chairs! How did you find that out?",
"Google, dude. You should try it.\n\nSeriously, though, I just did an image search on \"1960s plastic pedestal chairs\" (I grew up in the '60s, so I sort of knew they were from that era) and clicked on the picture that looked most like the ones in the Ali-Chamberlain photo.",
"What's this Google you talkin' about? /s\n\nHonestly it never occurred to me to even look. I was just surprised you came up with an edit so quickly with the name and price. Kinda blew me away tbh.",
"My one skill: I'm a very good Internet researcher. Of course, as a book editor I have to do it constantly, since I'm always fact-checking stuff that authors write."
] | 5 |
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Wilt Chamberlain and Mohammed Ali
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/r/pics/comments/7pcfca/clint_eastwood_and_one_of_his_many_talents/
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[
"Is he missing half of a finger?",
"Came to say this ",
"TIL Young Clint Eastwood kinda looked like Hugh Jackman",
"Fun fact: Tony Hawk had this poster on his wall as a child and drew inspiration from Clint Eastwood's skateboarding skills\n\nAnother fun fact: the man on the scooter is the father of famed Hollywood actor Tom Hanks",
"In this pic he makes me think he's a clone of Wolverine",
"I had the exact same thought.",
"He’s an absolute dream!"
] | 7 |
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Clint Eastwood and one of his many talents.
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/r/pics/comments/7pcfir/robert_englund_as_freddy_krueger_rocking_out_with/
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[
"Is that one of those portable players that took something like 12 D-cell batteries, and they lasted (maybe) a couple of hours?",
"C Energiza?",
"That'll haunt my dreams!"
] | 3 |
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Robert Englund as Freddy Krueger rocking out with his ghetto blaster. (1980's)
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/r/pics/comments/7pcgbj/tree_spotted_in_los_angeles/
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[
"Cool, but who can tell me what tree it is? Probably too cold/too early (& doesn't look right) for a jacaranda, maybe a Tabebuia palmerii?\n\nEdit for those who care: crepe myrtle",
"Mexicans ",
"Those trees all over Mexico City and Guanajuato and probably other cities in Mexico I've never been to but they really are incredible ",
"Mexicant's*",
"I want to see how the chick in pink's photo came out.",
"Not a 100% sure as it's far away, but looks to be a Crepe Myrtle tree. The blossoms range from light pink to red. Very pretty but crazy messy trees.",
"With the heavy flowering you might be right, can't believe I forgot about crepe myrtle! Good call.",
"Don’t think it’s a Crepe Myrtle because the trunk is too dark and the limbs are shaped wrong. ",
"Crepe myrtle trees tend to have multiple trunks, but you could be right since the flowers are very similar.",
"The address of this place is 6055 W Pico Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90035.",
"The only hesitation I have is the color of that tree's bark. Crepe Myrtles tend to have bark that is white to tan. That tree's bark is dark.",
"[Google maps for the win!](https://goo.gl/maps/RzhdHUuujCy) (hopefully that works...)\n\n6055 W Pico Blvd, LA. Yeah, that's a crepe myrtle.\n\nEdit: no, it isnt!",
"Lpt: Never park your car under a Jacaranda ",
"Clever you! It shows the trunk being much lighter in color. So in the above pic the dark skies and rain-drenched bark are what made it look so dark.",
"I remember riding on the bus with a visiting friend from Japan down East Hastings in Vancouver. Known to be the crappy part, was embarrassed he had to see it. He turned to me and mentioned that the cherry blossoms had bloomed. I hadn't noticed before, but the entire street is lined with the trees.",
"I can't be sure, but I think that's Miles Jai. He's a YouTuber that prefers to wear women's clothing.",
"Looks like a cherry tree from here. Anthony’s cherry tree.",
"This is absolutely a *Tabebuia*. Crepe myrtle are more upright and, more importantly, flower in torch-like clusters, never leafless and decked out in large trumpet-shaped flowers all over.",
"I disagree, have another look at that streetview image (which for some reason loads looking down at the road), the tree doesn't have that corky bark tabys seem to have, leaves are small like crepe myrtle and the flowers dont really look trumpety enough (although thats sorta hard to tell). I'm certain it's a myrtle.\n\nWe need a landscaper from LA to go have a look and tell us for certain lol.",
"Zoom in on google maps and look at the trumpets all over the sidewalk."
] | 20 |
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Tree spotted in Los Angeles
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/r/pics/comments/7pch1k/my_family_started_a_game_to_find_the_oldest_foods/
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[
"1992 isn't THAT long ago...does math. Fuck I'm old.",
"Definately a good year",
"That's Doctor Been Carson to you, yea boi!",
"Almost as old as me ",
"I have no pictures, but my grandmother had cans that expired in 1962 in her pantry when she died.",
"Thought “92? That’s nothing, we had food from the 60s when I was a kid ... in the 80’s. Oh.”"
] | 6 |
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My family started a game to find the oldest foods stored in my grandmother’s kitchen. Today, we came across this beauty from 1992.
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/r/pics/comments/7pchpb/my_senior_photo/
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[
"Oooookay...? ",
"If Sylvester Stallone and David Naughton had a son.",
"Bruce Springsteen?",
"Tom Hanks 0.5",
"*Love* your pink nails!",
"Or Andy Samberg and Adam Sandler "
] | 6 |
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My senior photo
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/r/pics/comments/7pcnwo/this_salsa_is_really_expensive_per_ounce/
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[
"Not surprised, it's from EA",
"Each extra pepper is another microtransaction",
"It's actually only 23 cents an ounce. The tag is just wrong. ",
"The decimal point is in the wrong spot, it’s actually. $0.186875 per ounce",
"Well Gringo Bandito is really good."
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This salsa is really expensive per ounce
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/r/pics/comments/7pcp6m/how_to_dust_a_museum_exhibit/
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[
"*tap tap*",
"*bang* *crash* *shatter* *~tink*",
"“Yep, im getting fired”",
"Reminds me of finishing off Earth Mk II in the 2005 Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy movie. ",
"I like how the 2 rams are watching to make sure he doesn't upset the kid",
"You mean he doesn't just climb up on the rocks? THEY'RE ROCKS",
"A friend had a similar job at Cabelas. ",
"Forrest Gump got a new job.",
"Is this in Edmonton Canada?",
"I hear the yodeling from Grand Budapest in the back of my head.",
"Is this the Cabalas in Sidney, Nebraska? ",
"Speaking as someone who cleans museum exhibits for a living... that's an awful way to do it, if those are real taxidermy. Totally messes up the fur and causes hair loss, and a feather duster on a pole does not permit the gentle touch and precision movement necessary to keep something like that in good shape. ",
"But how do you actually do it?",
"New skin for Getting over it?",
"This is some great /r/hmmm material",
"Forrest Gump doesn't cut lawns anymore?",
"/r/accidentalwesanderson",
"Good work Forrest Gump",
"that's the position my dog used to make while scratching his back.",
"Take note, MOMA. Your Bell helicopter has an inch of dust coating it.",
"Making Bighorn Great Again",
"Getting Over It - Goat Simulator Edition ",
"I also want to know this, I need to learn how to brush my mounted bass correctly ",
"Who's a good boy?",
"Why are cheap dusters always those colours ",
"For most mammal taxidermy, the main thing is that you want to use a very gentle soft-bristle brush, lightly brushing in the direction of grain of the fur/hair. You want to make sure you're touching lightly enough that you're mostly just brushing the dust off the surface of the fur, rather than disrupting or pressing on the fur itself. Do this in the direction of a HEPA-filtered vacuum, which you want to have on a rheostat running at the lowest setting you can manage. The vacuum should never touch the animal, nor be close enough to ruffle the hairs from the air movement - you just want it to lightly pull the now-floating dust towards it. \n\nIf it is especially dirty, you can gently lay a piece of soft mesh (like synthetic screen door material) over a section of fur, and use the vacuum more closely or with a little more power. It may be helpful to have two people for that - one to hold the fabric, and one to handle the vacuum. The screen is to prevent the hairs from being pulled up towards the vacuum, and pulled right out of the hide. Taxidermy mounts are just skin pulled over a frame of sorts, so those hairs will come out quite easily with age. Same reason for the light brushing and such described above. With something like a feather duster, you've got two problems. One is that you aren't really controlling the direction of contact for interface between duster and specimen, and two is that feathers have thousands of tiny barbs in their micro-structure that will absolutely stick to furs/hairs and pull at them. Also, cleaning from range like that, you really don't have the fine control over the cleaning surface to avoid pressing too hard, or missing spots.\n\nNever use a solvent (including water) on any part of it without a professional conservator's input and guidance. \n\nIn regards to what /u/_ShaveTheWhales_ asked - every type of artifact you want to clean has different advice. I clean lots of taxidermies, but far fewer artistic metals. Generally speaking, the patina (natural darkening) is a desirable thing in a museum context, though some people do like to highly polish their home pieces. For general care of non-coin metals, you can just gently brush it to clean it - it doesn't have hair to lose like a taxidermy does. You will want to avoid touching it with bare hands (finger oils will have a long-term effect), and shouldn't \"scrub\" it, unless you are actually trying to polish it. If you are in fact wanting to maintain a high polish level, commercial polishes do work, but you should be aware that metal polishes work by stripping away the surface layer of the metal - if there is fine detail or engraving, you will lose that detail over time with repeated application. ",
"Hey man, thx for the answer. I have always asked myself this, when i wad in a museum with such exhibits (which was in my teens once a week and now more often). Also when looking at what you said and looking at the picture, i was suspecting that those are not real pieces?\n\nEdit: im most of the times not in the exhibit part of our local zoological museum though… i work there in bioinformatics ",
"My pleasure! Always glad to talk with interested folks. \n\nIt is hard to tell looking at the photo whether those are real or not. If so, the fur is certainly... flattened in a way that feel unnatural, and there's a little bit of oddity with a couple lip lines, but that can happen. It seems like an odd thing to create that many models of, given the abundance of the animal in the wild, but some museums definitely prefer the model route. It certainly does simplify cleaning though, that's for sure.\n\nAwesome that you're in bioinformatics! I work with both collections and exhibitions at my location. A pleasure to meet another museum professional on here.",
"Well, i wouldn’t call myself a professional… but still. \n\nI could imagine them using replicas because its easier with the visitors… maybe. Idk rly"
] | 29 |
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How to dust a museum exhibit
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/r/pics/comments/7pcpmp/gordon_ramsay_and_david_beckham_look_like_father/
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[
"Beckham ought to wash his son's mouth with soap.",
"they look more like brothers actually",
"Plastic surgery.",
"I think you mean grandmom and grandpop"
] | 4 |
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Gordon Ramsay and David Beckham look like father and son.
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/r/pics/comments/7pcq9s/samurai_helmet_kabuko_shaped_like_an_octopus/
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[
"I want that!",
"Must be for ceremonies, not practical for battle ",
"I had no idea the Japanese fascination with tentacles went back that far.",
"Hentai Helmet?",
"Usually the super ornate ones were worn by people in commanding roles who generally stayed back at base",
"Yeah, yeah, I've seen enough hentai to know how this helmet was used.",
"So just for show then.",
"And feeding big egos probably",
"Ceremonies that include Japanese school girls...",
"So their fascination with tentacles goes waaaay back",
"His name was Commander Hentai.",
"Lit as shit!",
"Oh it goes way back my friend....way back..\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dream_of_the_Fisherman%27s_Wife\n\n",
"It’s Kabuto:\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabuto",
"Thank you. ",
"Looks like something from the homeware section in TK Maxx",
"Kabuto.",
"Sushi Samurai...",
"That is not older than the helmet.",
"Do you fear death, Jack Sparrow? ",
"This looks like a pain in the neck......and everywhere else depending on what you’re into."
] | 21 |
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Samurai helmet (kabuko) shaped like an octopus. About 18th century, Japan
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/r/pics/comments/7pcspr/i_just_found_this_vintage_board_game/
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[
"Ah, it's an early version of \"The Game Designer is an Asshole\".",
"is it good?",
"Monopoly?",
"This game...\n\nIt's actually pretty hilarious. It's basically unemployment Monopoly.\n\nYou can watch it being played [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sASUNXTAQy0). Video is not safe for work.",
"was it a thrift store find?",
"Kind of. A friend found it at a thrift store and then sold it to me. ",
"I bet board is spelled B-O-R-E-D"
] | 7 |
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I just found this vintage board game
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/r/pics/comments/7pcv4w/if_this_is_real_i_have_a_good_idea_what_cereal/
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[
"Damn. This is creepy as fuck.",
"So, I just did tweeted Stephen King the pic and asked if he grew up on it... here's hoping for a reply. Will keep you posted.",
"Hell yeah.",
"https://twitter.com/Atrius84/status/950937423835316224 - proof in case anyone has doubts.",
"*Now* I remember why I am terrified of clowns...*shudders*"
] | 5 |
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If this is real, I have a good idea what cereal Stephen King grew up on...
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/r/pics/comments/7pcv63/sleepy_cat_loaf/
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[
"Recipe?",
"Those are some scary (and beautiful) eyes. ",
"Agreed!",
"1/2 cute + 1/2 kitty = Meowsome!"
] | 4 |
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Sleepy cat loaf ☺️
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/r/pics/comments/7pcx2t/this_is_the_front_of_a_burger_king_in_my_town_lol/
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[
"37?!",
"In a row?",
"I don't get it. Is that supposed to silent Bob?",
"Yes",
"Is a hat and a trenchcoat that difficult to come by?",
"Lol nah it’s just me looking like an idiot "
] | 6 |
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This is the front of a Burger King in my town lol
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/r/pics/comments/7pcxms/she_must_work_out/
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[
"Then who would crush head between thighs like sparrow egg?",
"Time for snu snu...\n\n",
"Strong women and attractive; I would date her.",
"he most def does. ",
"I feel like this is a trap post.",
"Surely you are mistaken",
"The body is willing but the flesh is weak",
"Would she date you?",
"Maybe she was born with it....meaning a but ton of testosterone.",
"Good question; I could only try.",
"Is it just me or does their skin look airbrushed or photo shopped at all?\n\nEither way, if that's real, great work on the commitment and discipline! ",
"Not big enough, feet no touch floor. ",
"[✓](https://youtu.be/Ao0mij7EHUA?t=2m24s)",
"She looks like a Dragon Ball Z fighter.",
"Her calves are bigger than my thighs",
"Never skip boob day",
"Don't know if this is the case with her, but a lot of bodybuilders wax, tan, and use a lot of body oil, which helps give the skin a nice plastic-y sheen.",
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"Wow, normally I'm not into muscled women at all (even those who I think look gorgeous otherwise) but this is working for me. I wonder what specifically is the difference.",
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"@misscarriejune on Instagram. \n\nShe's been in the fitness game with her fiance for a pretty long time. ",
"Is that a 24” box? Is she that short?",
"[She did not skip leg day](https://i.imgur.com/9mDI4uk.jpg)",
"she could kick my ass",
"I'd throw her off Hell in a Cell",
"Well that was hotter than I was expecting ",
"Looking at her pics, she looks tiny and really ripped. \n\nEdit: why is this a downvoted comment? She does look both short and ripped.",
"I don't follow ?",
"24\" is a pretty enormous box if you ask me",
"I enjoyed going through your history. You have good taste and I think you have a crush on Daisy Ridley",
"Barely...\n",
"Carrie June Bowlby. She’s my favorite mix of adorable but kind of jacked. And she’s 5 feet tall at most",
"“Halo Narrator chimes in” \n\n*D O M I N A T I O N*",
"God she's attractive. ",
"To much",
"That's good lighting ",
"So a quick search through her instagram says she took 2 years to make her \"transformation\". The answer to me is clear as day that she is an active roid user.",
"And your point? Some people use steroids. Some people are natural. She's not an athlete, therefore it doesn't matter what supplements she puts in her body. ",
"Now days its super common that most pics you see are photoshopped in some way. \n\n\nHighly recommend this video by Nerd City:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN0B9ZU-hfA\n\nPart 2:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2NYZwoav7Q",
"There's a low hanging yo mama joke, but I just don't have the energy.",
"Neither does yo mamma after last night",
"Who is that. That’s amazing.",
"\"Save the cheerleader, save the worl..... never mind, she's saved herself. As you all were.\"",
"When it comes to leg day, Elsa never 'Let It Go'.\n\nI'll see myself out...",
"Yeah, very much so. Which, honestly, should be legal as far as I'm concerned. But the issue is that men look to bodybuilders thinking they could pack on tons of muscle, and women look to ladies like this and think they could look like her in two years. And the fact is, it very literally isn't possible. You can be very healthy, and be very strong for your age/weight, but you'll never have the shoulders of this woman if you're female, and you'll never have the look of a refrigerator like Jay Cutler if you're a guy. Unless you take steroids. ",
"/r/FitAndNatural \n\nSince you're here",
"Except for the part where she doesn't mention roids in the slightest and is trying to make money selling her fitness plan and supplement guide. To me that is shady and misleading.",
"Sploosh!!!",
"It definitely is, and has been since the beginning of the fitness industry basically... hard to slang whey and BCAAs if you admit its primarily the steroids \"boosting\" your performance/gains\n"
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"Woah! That’s a pretty staggering difference. \n\nWhat are the dates?\n\nAlso the ominous foreshadowing of the gas engine (and the carbon emissions) in one versus the paddle boat is a nice touch.",
"Chasing ice",
"Yep, human's ability to traverse the ocean sure has come along way. ",
"What did it look like the same amount of time before \"then\" that's between \"then\" and \"now\"? ",
"boats sure have changed",
"We’re gonna need a bigger boat",
"Well...shit.",
"Well, since you ask: \n\nIt probably looked the same in the \"pre-then\" as in the initial \"starting-then\" in the top photo. \n\nThe dramatic difference in ice between that \"starting-then\" (top photo) and this \"now-then\" (bottom photo) is likely due to climate change. \n\nSince climate change was going on at a significantly less pace between \"pre-then\" (no photo available) and \"starting-then\" (top photo), those two \"then's\" are probably the same. \n\nBut if you could go to the \"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay-Back-Then\", then the entire scene might be under a mile of ice (ice age!). \n\nAnd if you could go even further to the \"Ultra-Waaaaaaaaaaaaaay-Back-Then\", then it might be a sub-tropical-like-climate island, with a T-Rex running around, chomping down on a few velociraptor snacks. \n",
"Hey, free mountains.",
"Both boats use internal combustion engines.",
"But it was really cold in NYC last week, ergo climate change isn't real. /s",
"It's astounding people can still deny the impacts of global warming when we can see the effects only over a few decades. ",
"Gradually making sure an incident like the Titanic never happens again",
"For the curious, this is 1918 vs. 2004.\n\n\n[Source](http://www.oei.es/historico/decada/accion17.htm)",
"https://media0.giphy.com/media/bzaEWi1Z1xzby/giphy.gif",
"1918 January vs 2004 July",
"So has color",
"That proves nothing. It's real cold in New York right now. That's all the proof I need. LOL.",
"😢",
"Damn white walkers.... ",
"Flat Earthers looking at the top pic like, \"See! That's the edge of the Earth!\"",
"Holy shit ",
"You're telling me, back then it was spelled colour.",
"are you implying that the time of the year made a significant difference in the amount of ice present. \n\nDo you believe it looks like the 1918 picture in January 2004?",
"It surely doesn't, but it is annoying when these pictures are taken at different times of year. Even if it were irrelevant just take the picture the same month so that it doesn't provide the easy counter point for those who don't think climate change is happening.",
"Which generation is going to take the blame? I'm not asking who is responsible, I'm asking who's going to be the target for the eventual brigade",
"Good shit Dickchubbs.",
"What you don’t see from the pictures is that the sky was bluer",
"Must have sucked before color was around. Wasn't until 20 minutes into the wizard of OZ that was invented. ",
"Bc only one state is even remotely near a pole, we refuse to acknowledge the problem Bc it doesn’t directly effect us.... to which is moronic ",
"Why on earth would you go out of your way to counter in advance something that is not even a point, let alone an easy one?\n\nEdit: Oh, look, a flashing red counter of people who don’t know how glaciers work!",
"Believe it or not, yes. In the 1940s, during the height of WWII rationing, William Randolph Hearst noted how that that extra letters in words like \"programme\" and \"colour\" used more ink during the printing process. Simply put, black ink at the time contained halogenated aromatic hydrocarbons. The same compound that was also needed for black paint on ships and aircraft. Hearst was very much for the war effort and becauseof this need for rationing he changed spelling of words and used different typefaces on his papers. Keep in mind that his newspapers were read by more than 40 million Americans a day. Just from making this simple change he was able to save 3 tons of ink per day.",
"Now this is a fun fact :) thanks ",
"Lol I laughed at that...for the second year in a row we're going from -40 Celsius where I live to + 4 in a week with rain on the way...in January...anyone who thinks it's not real (climate change) is ignorant.",
"I mean this is pretty serious and jokes are making the highest karma ",
"> -40 Celsius\n\nFun fact, -40 Celsius is equal to -40 Fahrenheit. ",
"The season matters, glaciers melt and move and shit when its a hotter season",
"I think that most people do not deny the impacts of global warming as those are legitimately measurable. The argument I find most often is people who do not believe that the changes we are seeing are primarily man made, and believe most the changes can be tied to natural changes the world would experience anyway.",
"more pics from the series http://www.ufunk.net/en/photos/recul-des-glaciers-comparaisons/",
"Whats the point of this photo if one is the summer and one is in the winter then? Imagine having a summer of 1918 photo and winter of 2004 photo posted, would you not think its disingenuous? This is not the way to go about showing the effects of climate change ",
"It was that January in 1918 when it snowed an entire glacier.",
"I knew we were helping the environment",
"Stop crying, you're raising the water level",
"As do the people operating them",
"Don't be racist",
"It was almost 80 in Phoenix today",
"It's not even that it doesn't directly affect us... It's that it doesn't directly affect many of our generations. It certainly does directly affect our grandchildren who want to go to Disney World in 50 years except it has been 10ft under water since the 40s.\n\nI'm exaggerating (I hope) but you get the point.",
"Who left the fridge door open?",
"Okk calm down there mate",
"Not disingenuous in the slightest when the picture references something that has lasted for thousands of years in a perpetual state and now is no longer there. It’s true there are some natural cycles to climate but equally true that there is compelling evidence that we are making that a whole lot worse. ",
"That picture was taken 100 years ago. FYI we are still currently in an ice age. ",
"Whats wrong with these people?",
"Pretty sure that guy was being sarcastic.",
"http://i.imgur.com/F636xiP.gif",
"While global warming most certainly is real, I wonder if this photo is indicative of it. Glacial melt is something that happens outside of the overall scope of global warming.",
"Then show the actual results of the climate change , i dont understand why people are freaking out that some are rightfully noting that if we wanted to see a true effect than seasonal changes should be taken into account",
"Holy shit",
"Holy crap! Boats have improved so much since then!",
"No offense, but you're acting like a pompous ass!",
"Then why did they feel the need to take the pictures in the summer and compare it to winter pictures? Seems like its doing more harm to publish these photos , its giving people a way to wiggle out of having to confrim climate change exists",
"[An even bigger fun fact about what I said.](https://i.imgur.com/6PlRXhI.gifv)",
"Welcome to reddit",
"The definition of a glacier:\n\n\"A large mass of ice formed over many years **that does not melt during the summer**. Glaciers move slowly over an area of land such as a mountain valley\"\n\nThe time of year is irrelevant. This picture **shows the true effect**",
"Uhhh I don't know if you are joking but glaciers do in fact melt. They are also found in more places then just the the poles.",
"Fine , recede, why are people losing their minds over this just show a picture during the same season!",
"That's not how glaciers work. ",
"Yeah, but it's getting harder to tell these days between sarcasm and thunderous stupidity. ",
"Right when [Pink Floyd started playing](https://youtu.be/H_pgcapIisc).",
"I know global warming is contributing to this jesus christ i just want to see a photo comparison taken during the same season why is that such a big deal?",
"Rachellofficial is a cunt. ",
"Because what you're looking at isn't affected by seasons. It's not a big deal, it's just 100% unnessecary",
"Glaciers are most definitely affected by seasons ",
"Because it's fucking irrelevant to anyone who understands what a glacier is.",
"You motor boatin’ son of a bitch. ",
"Glaciers recede in warmer seasons jesus fucking christ what is the big deal with wanting to see a consistent picture to show true loss. ",
"Because the season doesn’t matter, how many times do people have to tell you the same thing for you to grasp this extremely simple concept?",
"Because we're not talking about a few feet of snow. It's a literal mountain of ice. I.e., you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between January 1918 and July 1918, or the difference between January 2004 and July 2004. Or to put it another way, if you took the picture in any given January, and then had the hottest 6 months ever recorded, your July picture from the same year would be indistinguishable from the January one. I _could_ be misreading the scale of what's pictured (as it lacks an appropriately placed banana for reference), but hopefully that explains why the month doesn't make a difference for ice at this (apparent) scale.\n\nEdit: slight correction, you might very well see a \"huge\" difference between a January 2004 and July 2004 picture because there's so little area covered by snow in 2004.\n\nEdit2: wow, -2 points. Guess the flat-earthers are out in force tonight",
"He's telling the truth! Holy shit... ",
"Did you look at the full set of pictures? It's pretty obviously more than seasonal glacier retreat: http://www.ufunk.net/en/photos/recul-des-glaciers-comparaisons/.\n\nThe issue with asking for a consistent picture is we don't have a picture from the same month right now and no-one on Reddit is going to trek up there to take a picture just because you're trying to argue a stupid point.",
"Right when _Money_ started playing. Color wasn't cheap. ",
"I know its not im not arguing that, ive said that multiple times. ",
"It does looks rather similar in the winter months. \n\nhttps://www.google.com/search?biw=1920&bih=959&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=McZVWrz1MI-b_QaQoIfYCA&q=Svalbard+islands\n\nGlaciers move around, look at an animated map of the north pole, its crazy.",
"Glaciers do melt and freeze seasonally, causing some changes in their appearance.\n\n> Glacier retreat, melt, and ablation result from increasing temperature, evaporation, and wind scouring. Ablation is a natural and seasonal part of glacier life. As long as snow accumulation equals or is greater than melt and ablation, a glacier will remain in balance or even grow. Once winter snowfall decreases, or summer melt increases, the glacier will begin to retreat.\n\n> https://nsidc.org/cryosphere/glaciers/life-glacier.html\n\n\nNot that glaciers grow and shrink in their entirety every season, just that u/Rachellofficial is an official loudmouth who just wants to incorrectly assert she is right.\n\nI, for one, appreciate the important caution being made to present datasets (these two images) as accurately as possible, with as much context as possible. \n\nEdit: It isn't pedanticism, it's adherence to academia, something u/Rachellofficial would likely know little about, considering her post history involves just these concerned and \"informed\" comments about glaciers, and how she created an account to comment on a cock picture.",
"Well, we can't assume that everyone has great knowledge of glaciers, even if people knows about climate change. So from an educational point of view, a comparison within the same time of year would be a better choice. If we have a classroom where we can discuss why the seasons are not that big of a deal in this comparison, then it's something else. \n\nIf you meet people who don't understand what you do, I would try to meet them and share my knowledge without calling them stupid. ",
"> the picture references something that has lasted for thousands of years in a perpetual state \n\nNot even close to being true. ",
"I'm sure there is a more constructive way of saying this. Your tone and aggression will turn people off even if you make valid points.",
"!dreambot9",
"Color film was always around, the difference being prior to things being recorded in color, people hand painted the resulting film to add color.\n\nThere's a few early films that messed with this, it's pretty neat to look back at. I believe The Great Train Robbery did this with a few woman's dresses during one of their scenes.",
"thanks for this. ",
"We unlocked the mountain level",
"Were these taken at the same time of year and what kind of variation throughout the year is expected? How much, if any, of the difference could be attributed to this?",
"> completely\n\nRight. But partially. \n\nSource: Living next to the Hallstätter Glacier\nIt was growing til ~1850 tho, then started retracting over time until 1920 where it expanded a bit, and then started shrinking about 22m/y",
"I feel that this is very important. ",
"Exept most people who don't believe in climate change have that very argument.\n\nAll he's asking for is evidence that even the most dense mofo can understand. ",
"Sorry, but it is 100% necessary!\n\nI live in sight of Mt. Rainier, which has 25 major glaciers. Last sumner, it went from white, to gray, from avalanches, and warm weather. Now, it is white again.\n\nThere is a significant amount of change due to seasons.\n\nI don't want to have an unfair comparison.",
"~AAAUUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!~\n\nThat's the Peanuts reaction.\n\nActually, it's mine as well...",
"My pops would tell me it's a natural cycle and the hard scientific data doesn't prove anything because the data set isn't long enough? And something about how using the same model you can't predict the stock market? I'm not educated enough to make a sound argument against what he says. But I know it's wrong. \n\nMakes me sad because he's actual a scientist. Got a PhD and a law degree. Most educated man I've ever met. But he listens to fox news and all that shit. Insanity.",
"Thoughts and prayers.",
"In their defense: it's quite a cock.",
"> are you implying that the time of the year made a significant difference in the amount of ice present\n\nlol just maybe",
"Totally not due to global warming",
"The gas engine is a nice touch",
"Why do you think seasons are an anti-trump idea?",
"They're not out enforce, just lots of people aren't understanding basic UX principles.\n\nIf you want to make a comparison, make them with as little confounding variables as possible and it removes plenty of arguments against it and makes the point as clear and impactful as possible.\n\nWhy do you think they positioned the photo in a very similar way? To try and increase the impact of the photo by making a comparison as clear as possible; however they missed several other avoidable confounding variables like the season it was taken in which significantly reduces the impact it has because it allows questions to easily seep in regarding what causes the difference.\n\nYou wouldn't think a graph with 2 points with a plenty of confounding variables is very convincing would you? They usually have data points from a long period of time, which helps make things as clear as possible by removing seasonal or fluctuations on a short time-scale.",
"Are you implying it doesn't??",
"Good chance he's right. ",
"Well, probably a hell of a lot closer than the July one yes. Are you implying you don't know what you are talking about?",
"Gg",
"Fake news!",
"Fuggggggg",
"I think this is important information to include. And I’m pro-environment, etc.",
"1918 - 2004 I believe. Someone else in the thread has replied it as well.",
"Yep we screwed",
"I don't understand why this is such a big deal. It's ice. It melts. That's what ice does.",
"Actually I've spoken with a glacier and they don't think you're taking how they feel into concern.",
"For anyone too lazy to watch the photographs, the main difference is the old ones have more ice and less colors.",
"Yeah, that's what ice does when we cause the environment to warm up. It then raises sea levels, and we lose land that people live on.",
"Beautiful.",
"And some people still can’t believe that climate change is real!",
"At the same time of the year?? 😱😱😱 That's scary and sad for our planet and future !!!!👎👎👎👎😥😥😥😥",
"Im sensing you’re a bit of a cunt, «Rachelofficial»",
"Also a better chance he's wrong.",
"I know right? The view has gotten so much better!",
"Yeah, I think that is the important thing here. The fact that the OP implies that its the same time of year makes it seem like he's pulling a fast one, even if he is not, or even if the seasons don't make a big difference.",
"Entirely irrelevant. Glaciers are formed over hundreds of years, not a season. ",
"If global warming is so important why doesn't everyone just turn on their air conditioning? 🤔🤔🤔",
"No one believes it's not real, they just choose to pretend to think that in order not to excuse themselves from responsibility. ",
"The faces of glaciers fall back during summer, and regain during winter. However, without knowing where these photos were taken, the extent of the problem is unknown - if they were taken in the Southern Hemisphere, things are even more grim.",
"Is it foreshadowing if it happened after?",
"Google could tell you ",
"If there are people who really believe earth is flat, I think that there are some people who believe that climate change is fake as well",
"**This is why context matters**\n\nThe fact that many people (even some on national news) can outright say that they beleive context doesn't matter and not get auto ignored scares the shit out of me. \n\n\n",
"Would that explain why Antarctica is gaining ice and not losing it?\n\nThere's an article [from NASA](https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses) showing that.\n\nAs the article says, between 1992 and 2001, Antarctica had a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice per year. Between 2003 and 2008 the per year net gain was 82 billion tons.\n\nOr is the issue that the gain has slowed? The way people have been talking, you'd have thought Antarctica was losing ice this whole time.",
"Landing the boat is gonna be a lot easier.",
"Perhaps, but I figured I'd ask here where people are discussing the picture. If I get an answer, other people who may also be wondering the same thing will see the answer, and then everyone who wonders doesn't have to go and individually Google the answer. The information will be here for all to see. \n\nNot only that, by asking the question here, other people who just blindly accepted or assumed that the difference is entirely caused by global warming might think a little harder and more critically about an image posted with incomplete information before jumping to conclusions. In short, asking the question here has benefits.\n\nBut thank for your valuable contribution to this discussion nonetheless. Your inciteful wisdom has been noted.",
"Wow! I am very interested to want what's place is it? ",
"You really think there’s any chance ice can grow or shrink that fast? ",
">hard scientific data doesn't prove anything because the data set isn't long enough?\n\nI don't think that's correct.\n\nBut I guess it would depend on where he's talking about? Antarctica for example is still gaining billions of tons of ice yearly for example. However, that gain has decreased over the years.\n\nI'm not familiar with the overall global ice-gain though. I would assume it's overall negative due to rising global sea levels.",
"The difference between winter and summer 1918 is nil. \nIt's like seeing the progress of a person becoming obesely fat over the years, and you screaming \"but i first need to see what you ate for breakfast..\"",
"Is that an \"Ice Shelf\" ?? It looks like a shelf, made of ice, but I've been drinking sake for the past 7 hours so I can't be sure.",
"A PhD doesn't guarantee competence in every field or domain, nor does it insulate you from acquiring stupid ideas. Most of my friends have at least a masters degree; several more have PhDs. And I can say confidently that sometimes we're downright dumb as shit. \n\nYour pops should listen to other sources in addition to Fox News. If he doesn't, then how can he properly test the quality of the information he's getting? He should know better. ",
"Data set isn't long enough? Doesn't the vostok ice core show atmospheric carbon dioxide levels for the past 600,000 years? That not long enough for him?",
"See? Global warming is beneficial! It gives us these beautiful mountain ranges.",
"Go and educate yourself on the difference between the weather and the climate.",
"What happened to Trump’s Wall?",
"as close to the same perspective as i could find from september 2015 https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/norway-svalbard-islands-spitsbergen-island-picture-id578016396?k=6&m=578016396&s=612x612&w=0&h=Nhe0R3ol222rvds4Ke48KkfeOWcfm6b2p-wC7DMZKCw=",
"This is pretty concerning that so many people seem to be so uneducated with what is one of the most important and significant evidence of nature taking a turn for the worst...\n\n\nHow can so many people be so ignorant nor care to know how these wonders work? \n\nI'm not talking about knowing everything, just the most basic and common sense would tell you it's impossible to do what some of these people claim :(\n\n\nBut this applies to the same people convinced the earth is flat so I guess we truly live in a fucked up time. I sometimes just can't believe it ",
"What is the actual rise in sea level that we're looking at over the last 100 years?",
"...according to another comment, the old ones are January, new ones are July",
"Do you think that glacier is thawed and re-frozen every year? ",
"Google could tell you.",
"Edit: I notice you've edited your post to be a little less cunty but still condescending. Can't stick by your words when someone calls you on your shit, cunt?\n\nEdit 2: I know, I can be vulgar and offensive, but this guy really pissed my off. I'm leaving my comments as they are, cunts and all. In Australia we call a cunt a cunt, but we also call our best mate a cunt (this guy certainly ain't the latter though).\n\nFuck off cunt, it's a perfectly valid question to ask. I never said or suggested that the difference is entirely seasonal, I asked how much, IF ANY, of the change could be attributed to that. What the fuck is your problem? Why are you such a cunt, cunt?\n",
"You seem fun to be around ",
"No, what's important here is that people recognize what's shown: a glacier that used to exist no longer does (in the same form, at least). Letting the climate change deniers dictate that we have to present a flawless comparison for the obvious point to be believable is counterproductive. ",
"Mate, you're the one who chimed in with a fucking useless smart ass non-response to my question. You're a cunt, and I don't have patience for cunts. Fuck off.",
"Winter is going...",
"They painted it in black and white though, it turned colour later. ",
"This person doesn't want to learn anything or help others do so, they're only here to obfuscate the discussion with \"logical\" sounding questions that sow doubt where it doesn't belong.\n\n/u/AngryAtStupid show me your portfolio ",
"TIL now is 2004",
"Insightful.\n\nNot that it matters.\n\nClimate change is real and man-made, dork.",
"Common sense isn't that common these days...😠",
"Fuck I should have recycled that water bottle ",
"Not to take away from the fact that global warming is a thing that affects glaciers, but they do actually move really fast..\n\n> Mean speeds vary greatly, but is typically around 1 m (3 ft) per day. [..] In other cases, glaciers can move as fast as 20–30 m (70–100 ft) per day, such as in Greenland's Jakobshavn Isbræ (Greenlandic: Sermeq Kujalleq).\n\n[*source*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacier#Speed)",
"I took a look at his comments. Almost all of them are just as pretentious as the next. Laughable. ",
"I'm not debating that. \n\nI 100% believe that climate change is real and man made. \n\nI actually expect the answer to my question to be that the vast majority of the change we are seeing there is indeed a result of man made climate change. It's still a valid question to ask, because I'm fucking interested and curious.\n\nWhat the fuck is wrong with you people getting upset at my asking of a relevant question?",
"Wow, that was a long winter",
"I don't think it's all glacier. I think much of it is winter accumulation and runoff from the mountains. Look at the recent pictures provided by posters above.",
"Some of these people speaking will be our future generations. Future politicians, engineers, etc. \n\n\nFor the sake of humanity I hope they wake up and realize knowledge is more powerful than memes",
"[They don't disappear but they do shrink in summer](http://glacierhub.org/2014/10/30/yes-glaciers-melt-but-do-you-know-how/)",
"And you edited yours to be more cunty. I decided to remove my questions because I realized yours were not genuine. You take life way too serious man. I suggest making some changes before you die sad and angry. :.(",
"You're as bad at vulgarity as you are at respectability ",
"And we live on land. Ice melts, water rises. Less land",
"My questions are 100% genuine.\n\nI genuinely want to know how much of the change we are seeing here can be attributed to climate change, and how much can be attributed to other factors. \n\nI don't really know why a thinking human being who is interested in things wouldn't want to know that, and I don't know why anyone would critique someone for being interested and asking questions. You're the asshole here buddy.",
"When the beardiest dude you know shaves and you realize he has a chin under his lips",
"Looks like two summer pictures to me, otherwise the mountaintops should have more snow on them. Also, January in these places tend to be dark. Nothing in the source article mentions the month of the year as far as I can see? You just made it up I guess?\n\nEdit:\nJust saw that it is Svalbard, which is way north of the arctic circle where the sun doesn't come above the horizon at all in January.. So your comment is bullshit.\nhttps://www.timeanddate.com/sun/norway/longyearbyen",
"Woah! That’s a pretty staggering difference.\n\nWhat are the dates?\n\nAlso the ominous foreshadowing of the gas engine (and the carbon emissions) in one versus the paddle boat is a nice touch.",
"Have you ever seen a glacier? Do you know how they are formed?",
"Hah that's what I face everyday at work...",
"The reason I say you take life too serious is because you couldn’t understand that my first response was just a joke. How many people here do you really think could answer your question 100 percent effectively? That’s what makes your question seem far from genuine. You knew nobody would be able to give you an answer, so google it. ",
"People think I'm mad catching a bus for 21 miles to work, its still polluting but it's carrying 36 people who aren't each driving a car. Its a small victory I guess.",
"It checks out because it was both fun and a fact.",
"Did you forget the /s?",
"Wow this is frightening ",
"Liberals get defensive when it gets cold out...",
"Being in denial, and choosing to ignore evidence, isn't the same as really believing something, it is an easy convenience. They may state they believe, but they have doubts, or they would go all out to prove they are correct, their silence is deafening . Saying you believe something is not the same as acutely believing something. ",
"Earth scientist here. Antarctica is gaining ice because it is becoming thicker, while losing ice around its edges. This is *because* of atmospheric warming. Warmer airs are able to hold more moisture, resulting in more precipitation over cold regions such as Antarctica.",
"Well... [Yes, it does](https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/4509). The North Pole ice caps vary by [as much as 50%](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_ice_pack)\n\nDon't get me wrong. I'm not arguing that global warming is fake or anything. But don't shit on a true statement just because you think it argues against your point of view. \n\nEdit: fixed a link ",
"The Earth is leaving an ice age, so climate change is definitely happening. ",
"1. That's just not true, someone here may indeed be able to give an answer.\n\n2. Your \"joke\" was shit.\n\n3. When I explained what I think are valid reasons for asking the question here, you replied with nothing but condescension. \n\n4. I suspect that you incorrectly viewed my question as an attack or challenge on the legitimacy of global warming, and rather than engaging in productive discourse you turned into an asshole because you didn't like that.\n\nI genuinely believe you owe me an apology.",
"Time to buy in on Apple, Tesla and bitcoins.",
"So it's becoming narrower but taller? Antarctican cylinder, soon.",
"Are you implying that time of year *doesn't* make a significant difference to ice levels in the arctic? The change between seasons is incredibly drastic",
"I genuinely believe you’re a pretentious angry person who doesn’t deserve an apology. ",
"Didn't some scientist people just say the UK is about to enter a mini ice age?\n\nhttps://news.sky.com/story/scientists-predict-mini-ice-age-could-hit-uk-by-2030-11186098",
"That comment is totally made up, the sun doesn't come up at all in Svalbard in January.",
"Angry, sure. \nPretentious? How so?\n\nAll of this because I asked what I think is an interesting question.\n\nDo you really think it was a bad question to ask? Really? It legitimately boggles my mind. ",
"fake news ;)",
"> knowledge is more powerful than memes\n\nIn terms of persuasive power, I'm not so sure. It seems like that is part of the problem.",
"No they won’t. These pictures are proof there is no future ",
"Winter vs Summer",
"That sounds fun! ",
" All I did was joke around and you started calling me cunt over and over again. I’m not that sensitive but that’s pretty disrespectful if you ask me. Tone it down just a tad kangaroo jack. ",
"If you have an internal combustion engine inside your body, go to the nearest hospital right now",
"Username doesn’t check out. ",
"I think that most people do not deny the impacts of global warming as those are legitimately measurable. The argument I find most often is people who do not believe that the changes we are seeing are primarily man made, and believe most the changes can be tied to natural changes the world would experience anyway.",
"Fads.",
"No, you were very condescending before I called you a cunt. I didn't call you a cunt in response to your non productive joke. I called you a cunt in response to your condescending post which followed. Please respect the timeline. You were disrespectful to me first, and as an Australian I will not hesitate to call a cunt a cunt when they are being a cunt.",
"[xkcd: Earth Temperature](https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/earth_temperature_timeline.png)",
"This is going nowhere. Cheerio! ",
"Later, cunt.",
"Those people are also wrong\n\nEdit: go ahead, shoot the messenger. Save a bullet for yourselves though, for when man made climate change has sent the world into total ecological collapse. ",
"Still is to English speaking people.",
"We are in a iceage right now for about 30mil years.",
"That's a 20,000 year range for the 4.3 billion year old earth. Here's at least a slightly larger range: https://i.imgur.com/LHxsPT9.jpg",
"Definative proof that boat change exists!",
"That's sea ice. Glaciers are in a constant state of melting even in winter, many rivers are glacier fed. Sea ice changes depending on season. ",
"Well, /u/NeotericLeaf lied or just made his/hers comment up. The 1918 picture was definitely not taken in January. Svalbard is completely dark in January.",
"A comparison for the same time of year is irrelevant here. It's impossible for a glacier to to melt completely in summer, form again in winter ready for a January photoshoot but melt again in summer. \n\n\nGlaciers work by starting on a land mass and over 100s to 1000s of years slowly creep towards the coast.\n\n\nThey don't just completely melt and come back as the seasons come and go.\n\n\n\nThe season doesn't matter. People are just being awkward for the sake of being awkward.",
"Only if the snow accumulation is equal to or greater than the melt rate will it grow in the winter. But that is minute as it'll all melt in the summer anyway. Glaciers feed many rivers and are in a constant state of melting. Rivers don't just vanish in the winter. You're not going to see a noticeable difference in a glacier looking at it in the middle of summer vs the middle of winter.",
"This genuinely hurts my heart : ^ (",
" Glaciers are always melting regardless of season and they're in far more places than just the poles. Southern Canada has them, North Western US has them, they're all over continental Europe, in the Himalayas and Andes, New Zealand, pretty sure even Indonesia has one. I can do a hike in South Western Canada and see 6 in one view, I can go on 7 day hikes across some of the bigger ones and I'm thousands of kms south of the North pole. ",
"Law is not science. Your dad is not a scientist.\n",
"That's sea ice, not glaciers. Glaciers are land based, they have to be land based to be called a glacier. ",
"Which is irrational: accepting a strong consensus of scientists from a range of relevant disciplines? Or rejecting it? ",
"Amazing. You would rather trust a bunch of people who have no vested interest in you than your own father who does and is an actual PhD.\n\nIf the globalists can influence you like this, then you've already lost.",
"Spoken like a true zealot.",
"You got it the wrong way around, melting glaciers means more ice floating around. It only works if we heat the planet enough to melt those and then there won't be any projects like the Titanic for a long time I think, but don't quote me on this one. ",
"Time of year is essentially a nonfactor here. It takes millennia for ice like this to build up. The ~ .5inches or so of thawing and refreezing that would naturally happen would not result in these changes. I keep seeing people point out that the second pic was apparently taken in June, but it’s pretty ridiculous to think that this glacier would completely thaw and refreeze yearly in a seasonal pattern. This is climate change. Even worse as this cool water moves lower into the major ocean currents, esp. the large one that travels from the east coast of US to west coast of England (can’t remember the name off the top of my head) we are going to see increased extreme weather events like the bomb cyclone. \n\nSource: Graduated in December with b.s. in Bio and spent last year focusing on climate change. I can recommend some pretty awesome laymen friendly books if you’re interested. ",
"Haven't read all of the comments, but it seems that no one actually thinks that glaciers disappear and reappear seasonally. \n\nI disagree - I would not call a comparison of the same two seasons irrelevant, I would call it a better comparison. Not because it would make another point or change what these two pictures are stating, but because it would raise less question marks. But, my view is from how I like to present things in a classroom before 10 year olds. ",
"he is talking about how respiration is a combustion formula, \n\n1 C₆H₁₂O₆+ 6 O₂= 6 H₂O + 6 CO₂ + Energy.",
"Fake News",
"I feel like you’ve never seen a glacier. The difference between a glacier in summer and in winter is unnoticeable only to the blind and the wilfully ignorant. And to those who have never seen one in two seasons.\n\nA retreated summer glacier can be hundreds of meters shorter. If all goes well (say, if we had no climate change going on), the glacier will gain that distance again by winter, but that’s not happening anymore.\n",
"Even if it was taken during different months and seasons, do you really think during the winter ALL that ice will just reappear again? I mean that’s a lot of ice we’re looking at and I don’t believe the month changes all that much",
"Came here wondering the same thing, did not expect aggressive eco-warriors. Did you find an answer? Google only gave the year not the month but it is called Blomstrandbreen Glacier if you are interested.\n\nEdit: Blomstrandbreem > Blomstrandbreen \n\nNote to the aggressive eco-warrior(s) or troll: I wanted to know if this could be legitamate scientific proof or if there are other variables at play before this became propaganda. I am 100% in belief of man-made climate change. Stop being a fucking walloper, cunt. ",
"If only he used a rowing boat as well",
"You forgot the sarcasm tag.",
"I am so god damn sick of idiots on this site falling for clear propaganda like OP.\n\nI didn't even need to see this. Just by virtue of being on this website long enough I can immediatly tell when something is complete and utter horse shit. Also, Ice moves, idiots. Even if it wasn't due to purposefully misleading pictures, it would be because over the course of a century, shit tends to change. \n\nYou wanna know the best part? The same people who fall for this crap are the ones upvoting that picture on r/pics talking about how \"scientifically\" smart they all are. It's this weird mix of being extremely gullible/ stupid, and arrogantly ignorant to it. Literal bottom of the barrel in intelligence, yet tell everyone else how smart they are.",
"Not an expert, but I work a lot with climate change in the arctic.\n\nWhen talking about glaciers, you do not expect changes like this in a season. You see the ice on the first pic? That thickness comes from generation after generation of snow and ice forming and compacting, and then moving down the mountain towards the sea. Glaciers do not melt away in the summer, or they would not form in the first place.\n\nThe disappearance of glaciers comes from the climate changing: namely that summer temperatures get so hot that more ice melts away than is formed in the winter. Still, you have to look across several years or even decades to see the difference.\n\nHonestly, implying that all the ice in the first pic is from the snowfall of one winter (as some other people in this thread has done, not you) shows a severe lack of knowledge.\n",
"What in your brain makes you think that makes sense",
"Yes please!",
"There is a better view of the mountains.",
"Huh? No the seasons doesn't matter. But some people seems to think it does and gets fooled by the comment that says that one picture is taken in January and the other in July.",
"oh umm...this seems to really hit close to you, does it?",
"Yeah it does bud. I'm not even like some climate denier. I'm all for doing what we can to lower emissions, it's just, man. The shit I've seen. I just really really hate humanity on a grand scale and am on a regular basis disappointing in how dumb most people are.",
"Triggered!",
"It looks like an old movie or new movie sean.",
"You can say that again!",
"That and we have been successfully extrapolating data for decades on climate change and continue to update climate models and they all point to the same conclusion.",
"It's misleading and fake news.",
"Thank you. Only ~0.5\" of seasonal variation is surprising to me, I would have expected it to be more than that but of course no where near as much as we are seeing in these images. \n\nI think it's important to accompany images such as this with discussion like this, as climate change deniers may suggest that the difference we are seeing here is due to other factors. \n\nAnd if the change we are seeing here was in fact due to other factors, it would be detrimental to the climate change argument to post it here without that information, as it would be seen as a manipulative picture comparison designed to promote the climate change agenda. It's important to accompany this picture with a clear statement of \"this IS climate change, and it can't be explained by other factors\" if that statement can be supported. It would be similarly important to accompany it with a statement saying \"this isn't climate change\" if it was in fact due to other causes, and that wouldn't mean that climate change isn't real, it would just mean that this isn't an example of it (I believe that it is, but I think you get my point).\n\nI have a pretty long list of books to get through but I'd be happy to add something on climate change to the list, it's not something I have spent a great deal of time reading into!",
"> Also, Ice moves, idiots. \n\nLet me guess, you don't believe in man-made climate change?",
"https://www.spitsbergen-svalbard.com/spitsbergen-information/midnight-sun-polar-night.html\n\n\"It depends very much on the weather at any given time what the polar night looks like. The range of options is from pitch black when it is cloudy to surprisingly bright when it is clear and the moon or a northern light provide some light. \"",
"Mostly the Trump generation and baby boomers. They get blamed for fucking up most things.",
"Seen as that glacier probably formed in the last ice age and we're no longer in an ice age I would have to say that's what I would expect to happen.",
"I believe in it. If you add burned fuels and carbon to an atmosphere it will obviously change it to SOME degree. Do I believe it's literally ripping the planet to shreds and we are ALL GONNA FUCKING DIE CAUSE SCIENCE? No, source- According to your lord and savior our family condo in florida should be well under water by now, it isn't, not even close. Luckily as technology progresses emissions will naturally lower and the problem will fix itself.",
"Provide counter-example please.",
"I read this in Cliff Clavin's voice.",
"Much better view now, big improvement!!! ",
"So are you saying climate change isnt real? How using pictures of glaciers shouldn't be considered evidence because ice moves? \n\nGlaciers melting has always been the case. However they are melting faster than before that's the problem. As for icebergs as far as I know the problem is either there's more of them (breaking off ice shelves in the artic) or they are becoming smaller and more frequent.\n\nThere isn't much debate about climate change outside of your little American bubble FYI. ",
"Are you implying that the 1918 picture is taken in moon light?\nAnd what about the snow cover on the mountaintops? Compare the winter pictures in your link to OP's pictures.",
"I'll confirm, live in northern Canada and travel even further north for work sometimes. this time of year the sun rises around 9-10 and is completely gone by 5pm. It's less the further north you go during the winter. Sometimes im able to be outside working at 2 am without alot of added light. As the moon and stars reflecting off the snow illuminate everything beautifully. However If it's cloudy it's like being inside a cave at times.",
"Thanks but I think I'll talk to someone who knows that iceberg is one word and understands punctuation instead, no offense.",
">they are melting a lot faster\n\nThere is zero evidence of this. None. ",
"Nice YouTube video, that add for YouTube TV really cleared up this ice issue.",
"https://imgur.com/hdWMdtu",
"How random! ",
"Is't that what they gave Barney Clark?",
"According to the EPA there is.\n\n> On average, glaciers worldwide have been losing mass since at least the 1970s (see Figure 1),\nwhich in turn has contributed to observed changes in sea level (see the Sea Level indicator). A\nlonger measurement record from a smaller number of glaciers suggests that they have been\nshrinking since the 1940s. The rate at which glaciers are losing mass appears to have accelerated\nover roughly the last decade.\n\nReport from August 2016: https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2016-08/documents/print_glaciers-2016.pdf",
"Hey would you look at that. I found a glacier not at one of the poles of the earth. \n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbia_Icefield",
"That's not true at all.",
"I can't believe that guy is still alive!!",
"I think you should have a look at a map, you'd be surprised just how far north svalbard is.",
"I wish you are right about that. I really truely do. Unfortunately, the current evidence suggests otherwise. We are not on a satisfactory trajectory to lowering emissions below levels where the Earth can avoid catastrophic effects of climate change. That being said, I agree that misleading photos are not helpful you the cause. We can't fight 'alternative facts' with more of the same. ",
"*rants about folks talking arrogantly about how smart they are*\n\n*proceeds to try and refute someone's point by telling them he's smarter than them*\n\nMakes sense",
"Perhaps they are man made, perhaps they are not. But the changes are not new. The world has gone through climate changes Gary beyond what we are experiencing. \n\nIs it any more right to keep it the same to tailor to our needs, than to allow the earth to change as it always has? Perhaps we just need to change with the earth.",
"Check out the columbia ice fields if you can. They have marked the end of the glacier for over 100 years with a sign post. You can see it going from retreating a couple feet. To hundreds of feet a year and growing. It's an excellent way to show how fast it's changing compared to the past",
"I understand what you're saying and it can be comforting to think this way but unfortunately it's not really that simple. \n\nWe live in a very delicate balance that we have been upsetting for years. We're not going to suddenly drop dead from climate change but life is going to get harder and climates more eradic until there are only small pockets of livable space left. \n\nThat's quite a long time away to be sure but it is still the path we are going down. \n\nPlease don't be mad, I am sure I am not 100% right but we can still talk about it and maybe learn something from each other.",
"What a pity...",
"The bureaucratic think tanks thank you for your loyalty and submission.",
"Taking all them black walker's jobs? ",
"Certain glaciers grown and shrink over time, like on a cycle a couple of hundred years. I had this explained to me by a guide when I was visiting svalbard. I'm trying to remember what it was called, but can't atm. It had something to do with with the preassure of the ice where it met rock.",
"The bureaucratic think tanks thank you for your loyalty and submission. ",
"The world gotta end sometime bud ... ",
"Spoken like a true zealot. ",
"Yeah no duh. The species will survive though. That's all that matters.",
"Thanks for just totally writing me off. The part of your brain that fears learning thanks you for your submission, glad we had this interaction.",
"\"you can't learn durr\" Mate I've seen it all. You're a slave and they have you by the balls. None of my business though, if you're into that, you're into that. I don't kink shame lol.",
"> so climate change is definitely happening.\n\nCan't tell if sarcasm or not. \n\nIf not, continue on your way!\n\nIf it is, then yes the earth is indeed leaving an ice age. However the rate of heating is far exceeding what it historically should be for this point in time between extremes. AKA: There's a gradual change in temperature from slightly colder to slightly warmer. And instead of that gradual change we've hit a cliff. \n\nhttps://xkcd.com/1732/",
"This just goes to show that world wars cause global warming.",
"Winter and summer ",
"Your correct. It's not a system where they start with say 1000 ice (how the fuck do I measure this?) And then it goes down from there. Some gain and lose annually. Some only lose.",
"Warming causes increased precipitation. ",
"**Dire Predictions 2nd Edition** is written by two climatologists from Penn State. It's very cheap rn on amazon, ~$20.It's easy to read and has a ton of illustrative images to go along with it. It touches on some of the more nuanced aspects of climate change that get washed away when going through a mainstream headline-centric filter. The best thing about it imo is that it was the first book that made me really grasp the consequences of climate change, how little time there is to enact change, and how soon we will see the effects of it. Positive feedback loops (climate changing leading to *even more* climate change like the cool water from the glaciers), and potential societal impact of *hundreds of millions* of climate refugees. Remember how poorly we handled the Syrian refugee crisis? Well that was just a fraction of the amount of misplaced people we will probably see in the next few decades.\n\nI would also recommend **Merchants of Doubt by Oreskes and Conway** to go along with it. It sheds light on how the fairly irrefutable fact of climate change has become a \"controversy\" in the last decade or so. I'm only 22, but I remember learning about climate change in my rural, Oklahoma elementary school and my teachers taught it like it was settled science (which it really is, 97% of scientists agree). It works through several environmental issues that followed a similar pattern of vested interests getting involved to discredit the science, from secondhand smoke to the ozone layer. You will get infuriated when you realize it's the same core group of jackasses leading the fight to discredit them all. \n\nSorry for writing so much but imho climate change is the single biggest threat facing humanity at the moment, and possibly ever. It's not just about losing glaciers and polar bears. We're creating a world that is inhospitable to *us*. The planet will exist whether we're hear to live on it or not. We're on a path that is unsustainable. If we don't get our acts together asap we will see societal unrest on a scale that is horrifying and unimaginable. We had heated debates in lecture, but I stand by my assertion that it is not fear mongering if we really should be afraid.",
"How else would you explain the increase in melt from year to year? And the exponential increases in amount lost year over year.",
"Dammit... Copy/paste failed me",
"Oh I know it's up there. Just wanting to confirm your statement about the dark in the north is all :)",
"Sure discount everything because of auto correct. I'll go and fix all that garbage and maybe you can give it the time of day then?",
"But Louder With Crowder said that global warming plateaued for a few years and that therefore global warming isn't real. Who am I to question a conservative commentator when he feels so strongly about disagreeing with scientists? ",
"...so then why is it back now?",
"True true",
"What is wrong with you? I hope you take the time to relax and come back to these comments so you can read what you've said. \n\nI didn't say you can't learn I meant that you have decided to shun and de-humanise anyone that you don't exactly agree with and not take the opportunity to learn a little bit (even if you don't agree with it).\n\nThere's no point in being mean to me, it's not going to affect me, I'll just chalk this interaction off as a bit of a wasted opportunity and try better next time.",
"Oh good, you answered for someone else.",
"Haha good one. If only you knew how far from the mark you are.... goodnight mate. ",
"Yea this ice, without the effects of climate change, is essentially inert. Imagine how long it takes to thaw a frozen turkey that's sitting in your room temperature house. Now imagine 10 billion turkeys sitting in several hundred million gallons of below freezing water. I'll recopy my reply to another poster here. If you have time, you should honestly read up on climate change, and not just the figures. It is going to have a very real and markable effect on our societal and economic well-being in the near future.\n\n**Dire Predictions 2nd Edition** is written by two climatologists from Penn State. It's very cheap rn on amazon, ~$20.It's easy to read and has a ton of illustrative images to go along with it. It touches on some of the more nuanced aspects of climate change that get washed away when going through a mainstream headline-centric filter. The best thing about it imo is that it was the first book that made me really grasp the consequences of climate change, how little time there is to enact change, and how soon we will see the effects of it. Positive feedback loops (climate changing leading to *even more* climate change like the cool water from the glaciers), and potential societal impact of *hundreds of millions* of climate refugees. Remember how poorly we handled the Syrian refugee crisis? Well that was just a fraction of the amount of misplaced people we will probably see in the next few decades.\n\nI would also recommend **Merchants of Doubt by Oreskes and Conway** to go along with it. It sheds light on how the fairly irrefutable fact of climate change has become a \"controversy\" in the last decade or so. I'm only 22, but I remember learning about climate change in my rural, Oklahoma elementary school and my teachers taught it like it was settled science (which it really is, 97% of scientists agree). It works through several environmental issues that followed a similar pattern of vested interests getting involved to discredit the science, from secondhand smoke to the ozone layer. You will get infuriated when you realize it's the same core group of jackasses leading the fight to discredit them all. \n\nSorry for writing so much but imho climate change is the single biggest threat facing humanity at the moment, and possibly ever. It's not just about losing glaciers and polar bears. We're creating a world that is inhospitable to *us*. The planet will exist whether we're hear to live on it or not. We're on a path that is unsustainable. If we don't get our acts together asap we will see societal unrest on a scale that is horrifying and unimaginable. We had heated debates in lecture, but I stand by my assertion that it is not fear mongering if we really should be afraid.",
"You seem nice. I apologize. Look I've heard it all before, the whole schpiel. I looked into it. I believed it, when I was a child. Thank you though.",
"That 1918 picture seems to be showing sea ice. ",
"> Antarctica for example is still gaining billions of tons of ice\n\nIt is possible for the there to be local places that get more snow/ice even though the overall global temperature is warming. For example, Mt. Shasta in California is one place that can receive more snow, because it is at a latitude where the warmer oceans transfer more moisture to the atmosphere than they did before, and the general west to east flow of storms makes that moisture dump on Mt. Shasta. \n\nOn a net basis, Antarctica is losing land ice, but increasing sea ice due to a number of effects. I suggest you check out [this website](https://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice.htm) that explains it.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
"We gone and fucked up",
"We been planning this shit for over 100 years now ",
"This breaks my heart ",
"Was bound to happen anyways",
"It's sad that I would need to do *anything* to indicate that such a blatantly stupid statement was meant sarcasticly.\n\nSigh.\n\nYes, I was being sarcastic. ",
"I mean at least this guy was engaging and being decent, and you rewarded that with insults and belittling, which tells me you're just another troll. I'm in your line of thinking, but there's zero reason not to have civil discourse and educate your fellow man, instead if attacking them for your perceived notions of how stupid everyone is.",
"Glaciers flow off the land onto the sea in places. But they do not fluctuate with the seasons.",
"Burn the witch!",
"No. You are.",
"Did you also notice that the aspect ratio changed when the movie flipped to color?",
">watch the photographs\n\nthey still haven't done anything",
"When Captain Cook first went to Alaska, he couldn't enter Glacier Bay because it was plugged with ice. All that ice receded by the time the first photo was taken. I believe in global warming, but climate was changing before the first combustion engine ever fired up.",
"When and how? ",
"I'll step in here with a controversial opinion on this matter. I genuinely don't believe in man made climate change. I know that im in the minority nowadays but I'm not convinced that humans are affecting the planet's climate on such a macro level that is causing it to heat up.",
"Thank you for this. If you hadn't clarified, I swear this fucking thing would have appeared on an AskReddit in a couple months as a \"surprising fact\". ",
"But why? There are billions of humans that are burning fossil fuels? Fuels that contain carbon that hasn't been present in the atmosphere for millions of years?",
"What the comic of the commenter above you fails to show, and your graph fails to show, is the unnatural *pace* at which temperatures are rising today.",
"I just read a story in the Guardian that said that the specific story you referenced was complete bullshit and it has been cropping up every 2 years. I'll add a link when I get back to my desk...\n\nEdit: \n\nJanuary 2018: [Washington Post, \"No, Earth is not heading toward a \"mini ice age\"](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/07/14/no-earth-is-not-heading-toward-a-mini-ice-age/?utm_term=.0fe693531781)\n\nJuly 2015: [Newsweek, \"An Atmospheric Scientist explains why that \"mini ice age\" news is bogus](http://www.newsweek.com/mini-ice-age-bogus-global-cooling-climate-change-354632)\n\nAnd here's an article that explains the source of this bullshit:\n\nJanuary 2014: [Scientific American, \"How the \"Global Cooling\" Story Came to Be\"](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-the-global-cooling-story-came-to-be/)\n",
"Patty Hearst, billion dollar bank robber.",
"It's helpful to think of +4°C as the change between the last ice age and now ([relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/1732/)). Last I checked were between 1 and 2 °C total warming, with projections making it look like 3 or 4 or more by 2100. No one ever said FL would be underwater by 2018, although coastal cities are supposedly seeing high tide flooding more often than usual, and looking to build sea walls, etc.",
"Hard to believe they spelled it wrong for so long.",
"They certainly can. But there can also be a shelf of sea ice obscuring your view of a glacier. You can't say that the ice we see in the old pic is absolutely a glacier and absolutely not sea ice and sea ice has wide fluctuations. \n\nThe point is, images like these can be misleading and disingenuous. Ice levels can change dramatically over the course of the year, glaciers can be buried in snow, and a sea level point of view in a snapshot doesn't tell you much. Higher in this thread someone implied pretty strongly that ice is steady and any change is a meaningful change. That is a false statement and it's important not to overstate a position to the point of falsehood. ",
"Nice pic Dickchubbs...",
"This is partially true, Glaciers tend to recede and expand naturally over cycles of decades too. If you go to Mer de Glace in france, near chamonix, they have markers on the rock showing where the glacier ended in different years. Some of the markers in the 1800s are further up/more recessed than the glacier as it is today. ",
"But it’s cold outside right now. So I know it’s not global warming. 🙄",
"We don't have precise year to year, day to day data from millions or even thousands of years ago like we do today. That data is smoothed over averages unlike the data we have today.",
"Oh damn. For me the second set were the most powerful. Thanks for the link!",
"When viewing and talking about glaciers, it really is not important information to include.",
"No I didn't ",
"You \"know\" it's wrong? Why? Because it plays into what you think the people of Reddit will respect you for believing? Despite what many in this thread will tell you, we simply don't know enough to know EXACTLY what it all means. Is it logical to assume that we have had some sort of climate impact on the planet? IMO, yes, but I could be wrong! Looking at anything about this planet in hundred(s) year terms is hardly definitive and most of the science and opinions that filter down to us are framed that way and then further filtered by agenda. Even the science that's capable of studying data from tens of thousands of years ago can't honestly tell you that in those times, there weren't a few hundred year stretches that varied wildly from the data they have. There's so much hyperbole and everyone has an agenda they want to push to get people to believe what they believe. In those cases, the truth is often closer to the middle than either side wants you to believe. ",
"We don't know how much carbon was in the atmosphere millions of years ago. We can speculate all day about it and scientific models can only tell us so much. Truth is, we don't know because we weren't here. I also love how I get downvoted for trying to share my opinion on the matter. Makes people like me not even want to engage in discussion.",
"What basis do you have to disagree with the vast majority of the scientific community? ",
"Where do you get that information? The source linked above says no such thing.",
"It will still be a TIL post in a week or so.",
"And you still are! But, that is what you get for using simplified English.",
"http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html\n\nThe following are scientific organizations that hold the position that Climate Change has been caused by human action:\n\n Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile\n Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal\n Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana\n Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela\n Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala\n Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico\n Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia\n Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru\n Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal\n Académie des Sciences, France\n Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada\n Academy of Athens\n Academy of Science of Mozambique\n Academy of Science of South Africa\n Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)\n Academy of Sciences Malaysia\n Academy of Sciences of Moldova\n Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic\n Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran\n Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt\n Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand\n Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy\n Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science\n African Academy of Sciences\n Albanian Academy of Sciences\n Amazon Environmental Research Institute\n American Academy of Pediatrics\n American Anthropological Association\n American Association for the Advancement of Science\n American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)\n American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians\n American Astronomical Society\n American Chemical Society\n American College of Preventive Medicine\n American Fisheries Society\n American Geophysical Union\n American Institute of Biological Sciences\n American Institute of Physics\n American Meteorological Society\n American Physical Society\n American Public Health Association\n American Quaternary Association\n American Society for Microbiology\n American Society of Agronomy\n American Society of Civil Engineers\n American Society of Plant Biologists\n American Statistical Association\n Association of Ecosystem Research Centers\n Australian Academy of Science\n Australian Bureau of Meteorology\n Australian Coral Reef Society\n Australian Institute of Marine Science\n Australian Institute of Physics\n Australian Marine Sciences Association\n Australian Medical Association\n Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society \n Bangladesh Academy of Sciences\n Botanical Society of America\n Brazilian Academy of Sciences\n British Antarctic Survey\n Bulgarian Academy of Sciences\n California Academy of Sciences\n Cameroon Academy of Sciences\n Canadian Association of Physicists\n Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences\n Canadian Geophysical Union\n Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society\n Canadian Society of Soil Science\n Canadian Society of Zoologists\n Caribbean Academy of Sciences views\n Center for International Forestry Research\n Chinese Academy of Sciences\n Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences\n Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)\n Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research\n Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences\n Crop Science Society of America\n Cuban Academy of Sciences\n Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters\n Ecological Society of America\n Ecological Society of Australia\n Environmental Protection Agency\n European Academy of Sciences and Arts\n European Federation of Geologists\n European Geosciences Union\n European Physical Society\n European Science Foundation\n Federation of American Scientists\n French Academy of Sciences\n Geological Society of America\n Geological Society of Australia\n Geological Society of London\n Georgian Academy of Sciences \n German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina \n Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences\n Indian National Science Academy\n Indonesian Academy of Sciences \n Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management\n Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology\n Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand\n Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK\n InterAcademy Council\n International Alliance of Research Universities\n International Arctic Science Committee\n International Association for Great Lakes Research\n International Council for Science\n International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences\n International Research Institute for Climate and Society\n International Union for Quaternary Research\n International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics\n International Union of Pure and Applied Physics\n Islamic World Academy of Sciences\n Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities\n Kenya National Academy of Sciences\n Korean Academy of Science and Technology\n Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts\n l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal\n Latin American Academy of Sciences\n Latvian Academy of Sciences\n Lithuanian Academy of Sciences\n Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences\n Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology\n Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts\n National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina\n National Academy of Sciences of Armenia\n National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic\n National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka\n National Academy of Sciences, United States of America\n National Aeronautics and Space Administration \n National Association of Geoscience Teachers\n National Association of State Foresters\n National Center for Atmospheric Research \n National Council of Engineers Australia\n National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand\n National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration\n National Research Council\n National Science Foundation\n Natural England\n Natural Environment Research Council, UK\n Natural Science Collections Alliance\n Network of African Science Academies\n New York Academy of Sciences\n Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences\n Nigerian Academy of Sciences\n Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters\n Oklahoma Climatological Survey\n Organization of Biological Field Stations\n Pakistan Academy of Sciences\n Palestine Academy for Science and Technology\n Pew Center on Global Climate Change\n Polish Academy of Sciences\n Romanian Academy\n Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium\n Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain\n Royal Astronomical Society, UK\n Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters\n Royal Irish Academy\n Royal Meteorological Society (UK)\n Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences\n Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research\n Royal Scientific Society of Jordan\n Royal Society of Canada\n Royal Society of Chemistry, UK\n Royal Society of the United Kingdom\n Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences\n Russian Academy of Sciences\n Science and Technology, Australia \n Science Council of Japan\n Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research\n Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics\n Scripps Institution of Oceanography\n Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts\n Slovak Academy of Sciences\n Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts\n Society for Ecological Restoration International\n Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics\n Society of American Foresters \n Society of Biology (UK) \n Society of Systematic Biologists\n Soil Science Society of America \n Sudan Academy of Sciences\n Sudanese National Academy of Science\n Tanzania Academy of Sciences\n The Wildlife Society (international)\n Turkish Academy of Sciences\n Uganda National Academy of Sciences\n Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities\n United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change\n University Corporation for Atmospheric Research\n Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution\n Woods Hole Research Center\n World Association of Zoos and Aquariums\n World Federation of Public Health Associations\n World Forestry Congress\n World Health Organization\n World Meteorological Organization\n Zambia Academy of Sciences\n Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences\n\nSit back down. Please.",
"Have to admit I am somewhat skeptical when I see a picture like this since the last starving polar bear picture turned out to be a sick bear. Global warming came up at lunch since we just went through a rare snowfall and week long freeze, one question that came up was when will all this happen? Without a study telling you that the temps are up half a degree or so? The opinion here right now is that cold temps will kill the fuck out of everyone and we would much rather have warmer temps...lol Not any kind of a educated opinion on this, background is network / server engineer.\n",
"You: It's this weird mix of being extremely gullible/ stupid, and arrogantly ignorant to it. Literal bottom of the barrel in intelligence, yet tell everyone else how smart they are. \n\nAlso you: I didn't even need to see this. Just by virtue of being on this website long enough I can immediatly tell when something is complete and utter horse shit.\n\nSo basically you are the exact type of person that you are talking about, thinking you are smarter than everyone else.\n\nHow about trusting the people that spent their lives in school, studying and researching these topics who are undoubtedly smarter than you rather than your small view of the world and how you think it should work?",
"I believe that a great deal of the scientific data that has been produced on this matter has been manipulated and distorted for financial and ideological purposes. ",
"climate change is a hoax perpetrated by china. :)",
"The problem is that the pictures that were chosen don't clearly show that this is a glacier that is retreating. To me, in the first picture it could have just been a large chunk of sea ice floating by. You can't see shore, and the mountains are way back in the picture, and the mountains even have the same amount of snow on them. Plus from the second picture you can see that all of this ice was on the water, not on land.\n\nHowever, [there are much better pictures in this collection](http://www.ufunk.net/en/photos/recul-des-glaciers-comparaisons/) that clearly show you that this is a glacier in retreat. Even people not familiar with the science should be able to see what is happening on those pictures.",
"Boats sure have come a long way",
"As much as I think global warming is a big issue that needs to be addressed (and, at the very least, we shouldn't be releasing so much carbon), you're right. There's enough real stuff happening that we don't need to cherry pick images to serve an agenda, and this image has definitely been cherry picked. \n\nIt's not the same argument if you show me a picture of Buffalo, NY in the Winter, and then the Summer six months later, and claim global warming. There's real shit out there. Not this image though. Passing this shit only hurts the real argument. ",
"I assume you think my comment is anti-global warming or something. I said nothing about the rest of the world just that Antarctica is gaining ice.\n\nThis is why I prefaced my answer with, \"...depends on where you're talking about?\".\n\nOf course global warming is a thing. Of course the weather is being affected by it.",
"I wasn’t asking you. ",
"> How using pictures of glaciers shouldn't be considered evidence because ice moves?\n\nI think it's more that a picture of a glacier in winter vs summer doesn't necessarily prove anything - we are now denying science to the other extreme. The same way that the cold weather in most of the US this past week doesn't disprove climate change, a glacier getting smaller in the summer doesn't prove it. ",
" /u/NeotericLeaf provided no source, citation or evidence of his claim that the 1918 picture was taken in January and the 2004 picture was taken in July.\n\nIt's not important information, because it's made up. /u/NeotericLeaf seems to have entirely fabricated that information.\n\n[translation of the source of the image](https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oei.es%2Fhistorico%2Fdecada%2Faccion17.htm&edit-text=&act=url) says nothing about the months they were taken.",
"Ice is typically measured in cubes.",
"Volume or weight. Metric tonnes or cubic meters generally. That would be Imperial tons or cubic miles. Of course football pitches are apparently another commonly used measurement these days.",
"Out of curiosity, what country are you from and with what political party do you associate most closely?",
">do I believe it's literally ripping the planet to shreds and we are ALL GONNA FUCKING DIE CAUSE SCIENCE?\n\nLiterally noone has ever claimed that.\n\n>According to your lord and savior our family condo in florida should be well under water by now\n\nScience doesn't have one of those, that's your religion.\n\n>Luckily as technology progresses emissions will naturally lower and the problem will fix itself.\n\nWhat the fuck are you talking about? This has literally never ever ever been the case.",
"Well that's terrifying.",
"My favorite response is and always will be \"of course the planet is warming up. It's been happening since the ice ages\".\n\nTake away ice from a planet, it warms up. As it warms up, it takes away more ice. It is a process that builds it's own momentum.\n\nWe humans can do nothing to stop it. Until we drag a bunch of ice here, and extract a bunch of water from here, there isn't a whole lot we can do. Hold protest signs and sue the rich?\n\nBlow on the desert? Plant sod in the desert around the edge and gradually work our way in?\n\nBut to think that 100 years of using fossil fuels can speed up global warming any faster than the process that is happening naturally over the past few millions of years, is obsurd.\n\n",
">disappointing in how dumb most people are...\n\nYou should learn what \"Projection\" is\n\nMost of all, you are disappointed in how dumb you are. But don't worry, you can always grow and get better \n\nWhy you have-to believe Global Warming is a myth, seems like a good place to start ",
"American and while I consider myself an independent my ideology on social and economic issues is conservative.",
"\"I'm not even some climate denier\" but you still start of with \"so you're saying climate change isn't real?\". Not very bright, are you?",
"They can measure that pretty much entirely accurately using ice samples.",
"But now we can see the mountains :p",
"You’re welcome. ",
"Ok how do they do that exactly? I'm actually curious how ice samples can tell us how the atmosphere was millions of years ago.",
"Sea ice doesn't just suddenly rise up 50 feet. It stays at sea level. That's a glacier",
"1 upvote = 1 km of ice",
"Why does that matter?",
"Your comment is way more misleading than the original pic. First of all, it's very easy to tell the difference between sea ice and glacier ice. For starters, sea ice never gets as thick as shown in the picture. We also have a source for the photo *that states it's the glacier*. Secondly, you're implying that it's possible for the glacier to fluctuate as much with the season as shown in the comparison. That's extremely misleading and not at all what's observed in nature.",
"Ice moves. Downhill. It also melts. Use that big brain and tell me which you really think happened here. ",
"Are there any places in, lets say 1918 where the reverse has happened? Ive always been curious because I know that climates change In both directions but Ive never actually seen or heard of it happening probably due to not much interest to find out but still curious nonetheless.",
"I think you’d be surprised how smart people are if you tried getting to know a couple of them. \n\nYou seem pretty full of yourself and you seem young. ",
"I like you ",
"Didn't the ice start melting like 10000 years ago? Why are we looking at changes over 100 years when the ice has been melting for thousands?",
"Yes...it does actually. I have been there in January of 2012, and it looked almost identical to the top picture.",
"This picture looks pretty much identical to the 1918 picture though:\n\nhttps://www.google.com/search?biw=1920&bih=959&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=McZVWrz1MI-b_QaQoIfYCA&q=Svalbard+islands#imgdii=pRY4IikJYl7XYM:&imgrc=0htBfzJuIZOBmM:\n\nIm not saying you're wrong but just pointing out that its literally identical.",
"Maybe I responded that way because he said something that sounded like him denying it.",
"Aside from the heat aspect of climate change (and the basic 4th grade level of science on greenhouse gases and their effect in the atmostphere as we pump tons and tons into it) check out how climate conditions can affect ecosystems outside of literal heat differences, i.e. Ocean Acidification. ",
"But I checked your username halfway through reading for bamboozles and there were none... :(",
"I knew it, such BS \"fake news\" environmentalist crap on r/pics lol.",
"I’m actually pro-climate change",
"Actually ice cores (generally from Antarctica or Greenland) miles down in ice contain pockets of atmosphere from the years ago when they were frozen. Using that in combination with other resources we have a pretty damn accurate representation of the environment and composition of the atmosphere, at least for the last 800,000 years or so.\n\nYou do have so credit in so saying that it's not that we've never had this much co2 in the air before, but each time it's peaked this high there's a drastic drop in global temperatures and usually a mass extinction of animals. This mass extinction causes the co2 levels to drop as plants do their work.\n\nProblem is we don't want a mass extinction event (for reasons I hopefully won't have to explain) and we've reduced the amount of plants on the earth and dug up an awful lot of locked-up carbon and released it into the air.\n\nWe don't know if, even assuming humans are extinct, that the planet will recover back to the same level that we 'found' it at. There are several factors where the rise in temperature appears to be releasing further greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, meaning it may well continue to get worse even without us at this point.\n\nThe effects won't suddenly appear tomorrow or even a decade, it's not a film, there won't be any skyscraper sized tidal wave to notice. But there will be a slow building environmental pressure that makes our modern way of life more and more difficult.",
"Is this sea ice or a glacier?\n\nhttps://www.google.com/search?biw=1920&bih=959&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=McZVWrz1MI-b_QaQoIfYCA&q=Svalbard+islands#imgdii=pRY4IikJYl7XYM:&imgrc=0htBfzJuIZOBmM:\n\nGenuinely curious because thats the same area but you're saying sea ice cant get that thick so im not really sure what to believe.",
"You’re awesome ",
"But glaciers don't go from say 2 miles sq/f in the winter to 1.5 sq/f in the summer. Then back to 2 miles sq/f .",
"You believe in God as well don't you?",
"Fad or not, they're here to stay!\n\n\n\n\n(that's a joke, and a quote)",
"Source? I can't read the source article that was provided and I don't see anything that says \"this here be the glacier\". I see a lot of ice and snow and then I see less ice and snow. Beyond that I don't see anything compelling to tell us anything else about the photos. I've seen enough well-vetted data to know that climate change is real, but that doesn't make every obscure internet post accurate for simply aligning with that statement. \n\nThe problem is that people like you assume that any criticism of an argument is somehow advocating the opposite viewpoint. I'm not saying in any capacity that climate change isn't real. I'm saying that the other guy's statement about ice not changing during seadons is wrong. I don't know enough about the topic in general to say with certainty that all of what I'm seeing in the 1918 pic is a glacier. I'll also go out on (a rather short stocky) limb and say you don't either. And yet you're here speaking with certainty and I'd bet you're doing it in response to the incorrect assumption that I'm somehow arguing against climate change. ",
"Thank you!!! If people really understood what goes on, they would hang Gore. The book Fingerprints of the Gods explains everything. ",
"When you look up pictures of this area i see all kinds of walls of ice similar to the original, like this:\n\nhttps://www.google.com/search?biw=1920&bih=959&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=McZVWrz1MI-b_QaQoIfYCA&q=Svalbard+islands#imgdii=pRY4IikJYl7XYM:&imgrc=0htBfzJuIZOBmM:\n\nIt looks identical to the 1918 picture, but you're saying its sea ice? If thats the case then the 1918 picture could be sea ice as well right? Just curious not trying to argue.",
"> How about trusting the people that spent their lives in school, studying and researching these topics who are undoubtedly smarter than you rather than your small view of the world and how you think it should work?\n\nYou get out of here with your common sense.",
"Are we comparing summer vs winter too? Smells like a karma bot.",
"This looks like an extremely deceiving angle. I could be totally wrong, but tell me it doesn't look like that's a close ice wall of maybe hundreds of feet at most with a mountainous background of many thousands of feet. They present it as though most of the mountains are encased in ice when it's just a wall in the foreground giving that illusion. Anyone else?",
"I think this is actually a pretty big problem with Reddit. Did all those ppl that up voted his original comment think it was true?",
"The 1918 pic looks cloudy AF.",
"Hand -> face. ",
"I love that link. I have a tendency to use it.",
"I don't think the average person who sees this picture intuitively knows what seasonal change is normal or not, and can correct for seasonal variation in the picture that is presented as an apples-to-apples comparison. Especially when there isn't any extra data or notation.",
"photo shop\n\nedit: guess I should've added /s",
"Comment by scientist above explained that edges of Antarctica are receding, but abnormal precipitation is causing them to grow vertically. This is caused by climate change due to global warming. ",
"Infantile logic.",
"That's interesting about the ice pockets, I wasn't aware that scientists and geologists can do that.",
"Those sneaky chinese took all the ice.",
"That squirrel and his acorn... lolz",
"Take another downvote",
"I agree. So we need to educate these people so they can learn. It's unacceptable to bury our heads in the sand and be ignorant in the information age.",
"Mine was also a joke. I thought it was pretty obvious, backfired.",
"the spot that i'm sitting at used to be under a mile of ice. pretty nice now, comparatively.",
"Beautiful.",
"When the ice forms it traps air bubbles in it until it thaws again, which in some places never really happens, so by taking a core sample of ice they can get 10's of thousands of years worth of almost 100% accurate reading for historical air make up.\n\nThe only real problem is it is only a reading for that particular geographical location, and obviously you can't find that much ice in most of the world, only in the north/south pole and presumably a hand full of mountains.\n\n\nThere seems to be several ways to date a particular spot in the ice core (to find the exact age of the air). Google has a lot on it.",
"Sad.",
"Google NGram Viewer shows the color spelling of colour becoming more prevalent in books than the colour spelling of colour around 1890.\n\nhttps://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=color%2Ccolour&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Ccolor%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Ccolour%3B%2Cc0",
"Agreed. I see this post as more of the same though...unscientific, deceptive plays to emotion rather than actual education. I would LOVE it if the post were more [like this](https://i.imgur.com/KtY7dng.jpg), maybe even accompanied by a data table and/or chart of glacial mass. ",
"Melting glaciers means less ice to reflect sunlight. Which entails more surface heating and more glacial melting. This also adds fresh water to the salinated oceans, shifting currents that are based on density gradients (i.e, temperature and salinity).",
"Thanks for the informative answer!",
"Not everyone has a tell.",
"For sea ice yes, for glacial ice? Not as much as you’d think.",
"We are talking about different types of ice.",
"3/4 an inch, who cares?",
"Then you’d be the one who doesn’t know what they are talking about. ",
"From a photograph that far away you would have a hard time noticing any difference in the size of the glacier in winter vs. summer. The ice in glaciers is hundreds or even thousands of years old; only a miniscule amount melts during the warm season. ",
"I really dislike that comic strip because it's incredibly misleading. It skews the perception of climate change because the time line presented is relatively short. It's showing the change from one ice age to the end of that ice age. To get a more accurate picture you'd really have to show a time line of multiple ice ages. Like several comments above talking about showing pictures of the difference in a particular location in winter and summer and claiming global warming, the comic is doing the same thing. You can't get a decent understanding of where we've been and where we are now from it. ",
"Yet sea levels havent risen. Hmmmm",
"Now you can see those pretty mountains, you're welcome earth.",
"You're my favorite\n",
"The processes of positive feedback on the climate are well understood. Do you think you understand it better than climate scientists?\n\nAre you claiming that net increase of Carbon Dioxide has no effect as a greenhouse gas? Did the Deccan traps or the Siberian traps have no effect on climate? Are you claiming that feedback loops are the only driver of global climate?\n\nToo many unexplainables stem from your position.\n",
"What? The sea has risen 4 inches in the last century. ",
"Glaciers don't form over a single seasonal cycle. ",
"I think they forgot their bullshit filter. Redditors should purchase a high quality filter to ensure safety from even small particle bullshit.",
"Not sure why, it's terrible. ",
"Buddy, I think you're the only one who thinks it is presented as if the mountains are encased in ice. It is quite evident that the ice is on the edge of the water, and not that the mountain is encased in ice.",
"The shutter speed implied by arresting the boat and wave motion does not really seem like mørketid to me tbh, in light of the available technology in 1918.",
"Haha... Maybe me laugh out loud.. Thank you good sir, never change...",
"And if we had seen it in 1830, the ice would have covered the peaks completely.",
"Yeah, I'm sure a photographer went out to shoot some glacier pics during the long night, thinking \"I'll just brighten these up in post\" in 1918...",
"> he was able to save 3 tons of ink ~~per day~~ p/d.\n\n",
"[Not quite](https://www.grammarly.com/blog/color-colour/)\n\nSpecifically: \nThe word color has its roots (unsurprisingly) in the Latin word color. It entered Middle English through the Anglo-Norman colur, which was a version of the Old French colour. The current difference in spelling between the American and British variants is credited to (or occasionally blamed on) Noah Webster, the American lexicographer. Seeking to establish American independence and identity in language, Webster implemented a number of spelling reforms in A Compendious Dictionary of the English Language, which he published in 1806.\n\nNow, Hearst may have pushed for one spelling over the other, but he didn't invent it. ",
"That's why the armored bears live there.",
"Probably. The public doesn't read retractions. ",
"You're being downvoted but you are technically correct.\n\nWe are in the Quaternary glaciation but are currently in an \"interglacial\" period.",
"If you don't let redditors make snarky comments, they throw a tantrum.",
"You can't even see the present day on your chart, nor can you see any of the relevant rates of change. I'm not sure what relevance it's supposed to have to... whatever your argument is supposed to be?\n\nIs the point that temperature has been on a downward decline on average but it's clearly possible for things to go against that average and make it warmer overall? Because I think most people would agree with that...",
"> But to think that 100 years of using fossil fuels can speed up global warming any faster than the process that is happening naturally over the past few millions of years, is obsurd.\n\nIf you think that a century of continuous, massive atmospheric pollution influencing climate is absurd, I suggest you not get informed about the “year without winter” caused by the Tambora and the effect of the 1883 Krakatoa explosion on global climate.",
"Not all day. ",
"Actually extreme shock pics like that are important because our actual evidence for global warming has no affect on idiots. Idiots can't be informed via facts because idiots don't respect facts. Instead we need images like this one to make the idiots think about the issue. ",
"Way to set up a strawman. :) ",
"Wonder how cold was cold back then since the ice chunks were noticeably larger in size",
"That’s general knowledge. Glaciers grow when accumulation is larger than melting and shrink when more melts than accumulates . Global warming has caused glaciers to melt faster since the industrial revolution becuase Co2 is trapping heat in the atmosphere that would otherwise be radiated back into space. Look at a graph of the levels of Co2 in the atmosphere over time and you’ll see that there is exponentially more than there has EVER been. Just Becuase the earth has warmed .2 degrees it has thrown way more out of the normal cycle than you would think. Sea turtles in Aus are almost 99% femalle b/c their genders are determined by the tempature of sand during their development. That .2 degree change has a much larger affect than you would think.\n\nDon’t be ignorant, especially when data supports global warming \n\nSource: environmental science student \n",
"> But to think that 100 years of using fossil fuels can speed up global warming any faster than the process that is happening naturally over the past few millions of years, is obsurd.\n\nAh yes, the old \"The paper won't burn faster if you light it with a match, or if you light it with a blowtorch\". \n\nProtip: The blowtorch will burn it faster. \n\nThe point is that we're making it worse. Everyone agrees we're making it worse. Everyone agrees we need to stop doing that. \n\nExcept people like you, who think you're smarter than people who study the subject professionally. \n\n",
"These progress pics really need to stay out the subreddit",
"But ice moves and shit\n\nEdit: /s",
"This link should be more places in this thread :)... but will I do anything about it? Hard to say at the moment.",
"He said nothing about the ice? He's talking about the mountaintops in the background. If it was January, they would have snow on them.",
"Ummm who cares?",
"Looks photo shopped",
"\"the rate of heating is far exceeding what it historically should be for this point in time between extremes.\"\n\nThere's no record of the rate of heating in a 100 year period from the last ice age, so there's no way you can make that claim. ",
"Neither is al gore or bill nye.",
"\"yea, no such thing as global warming. I think it is fake news!\" --Potus",
"Yes that's much better! ",
"Mmm",
"No no, this is outside the environment.",
"We did it Reddit!",
"And yet all the people who \"just happen to believe\" this all fall under one political party.\n\nAnd the leaders of that party have been pushing asinine unscientific BS like \"Global warming is a hoax by the Chinese.\"\n\n\nAnd don't forget, \"It sure is cold outside.\" \"Ha! Proof that Global warming is a hoax by the globalists.\"\n\n\nBut yeah, I'm sure deniers just looked at the science themselves and decided that the scientists just don't know what they are talking about.\n\n\n\nLike , sure, the deniers aren't driven by politics at all. Sure. /s",
"Fuck.",
"I upvoted for the convincing lie.",
"Yep we are in an inter glacial period, that mean the glaciers will melt. The earth has gone thru and is still going thru cycles.",
"Lol I am a dumbass...the whole time I am looking at this I was thinking \"damn that is a lot of erosion\"\n\nI'll go away now 💨",
"It is literally front page news some time in May every year that there's going to be hot weather coming up, and then again in November about how it's going to be cold. Newspapers in this countries are trash.",
"That's a glacier that is anchored to the land. No movement, just melt.",
"Of course not, the studio has to spend all that time painting each frame. ",
"knew it was bullshit when you said \"aromatic hydrocarbons\".\n\nPretty sure you pulled that from the worm episode of futurama.",
"That can’t be real, all that water has to go somewhere, we would see some sort of effects from that if this were the case.",
"A stable genius appears.",
"People who live in coastal areas for one. Non ignorant people for a second.",
"Yes, that's a different glacier. It was probably much bigger in 1918.",
"Did you mean to reply to a different comment?\n\nMy comment -- the one you replied to calling me an \"ignorant fuck\" -- simply asked u/neotericleaf to cite the source of his claim that the 1918 picture was taken in January and the 2004 picture was taken in July.\n\nWhy do you think that means I'm some sort of climate change denialist? (Or did you just accidentally reply to the wrong comment?)",
"Wrong comment, I️ apologize. Whole different thread even...",
"No its just you. Everyone else can see the moyntains are clearly behind it all.",
"Sea ice is mostly submerged because of it's weight. It also never gets thicker than 3 meters, and recently only gets about 1 meter thick. That is most definitely a glacier.",
"Having done zero research on this topic, I am genuinely curious as to what warranted a face palm. Was the above statement factually inaccurate?",
"*Yeah* with an *h*. *Yea* is used thus: \"*Yea*, and the Lord shalt smiteth thee and thine with bad juju forever and ever, Amen.\"",
"... Do you not know what glaciers are and that they dont just into and out of existance?",
"Care to elaborate?",
"Water likes to move.",
"I was just replying to the climate skepticism in the thread. As for this picture in particular, I’ll be honest and say I’m not sure precisely what ice sheet this photo depicts. I’m also not sure what difference it makes if it’s sea or land ice in this particular instance. This ice sheet appears to begin on land and then extend into the ocean, which makes me think that this picture is probably of Greenland (on mobile and couldn’t open your link). The biggest difference between land and sea ice, at least in the context of climate change, is that melted sea ice will not contribute as much to rising ocean levels. It’s potential impact on on ocean current temperature, and thus the movement of currents themselves is the same. Sea ice is initially more susceptible to thawing and freezing but that effect diminishes over time as the ice builds up (e.g. first year sea ice is more likely to melt and refreeze then second year sea ice and so on). But ice of this size is thousands of years old. If these two pictures do depict the same place, climate change is the only possible explanation for such a rapid reduction in size. As for why there may be colossal pieces of ice in the near vicinity to this loss of ice, that’s just due to the nature of these ice sheets as they break. A newly discovered phenomenon is the formation of moulin. Moulin are basically the result of ice melting and then forming pools and those pools burrowing into the ice and creating under surface moving rivers of sorts. This leads to ice weakening and then breaking off in big chunks, sliding off the land that it’s attaching to riding the current of the underwater melt-off. \n\nI feel like I kind of ranted there, but I hope that makes sense.",
"Looking at his vote total, he's a very successful liar with lots of friends.",
"Your agenda is avoiding all of the climatologists that study this for a living and are telling us that the warming happening due to anthropomorphic CO2 and methane emissions is dangerous and unprecedented.\n\nHe does not know all the science, but OP is trusting authority. You know, a logical construction of a rhetorical argument. While you are not.",
"Why?",
"Source? Or did you just make it up? ",
"The sea level has been rising. Louisiana loses about 1 football field worth of land every hour due to erosion and sea level rise.\n\nhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Trends_in_global_average_absolute_sea_level%2C_1880-2013.png\n\nIf this was sarcasm, I'm still not laughing. It's a sad world that drowns its own coastal cities.",
"While I believe in global warming, you have to take into account what time of the year these photos were taken. The 2004 photo was taken in July when the weather is much warmer.",
"Fuck, you mean that guy in 1918 melted all that ice.... fucking humans.",
"Over the past century, the Global Mean Sea Level (GMSL) has risen by 4 to 8 inches (10 to 20 centimeters).\n\nIs that what you were looking for?",
"Global warming affects the planet over all so the whole \"it's up a degree\" or what ever you wont feel a single degree change. But things like climate, glaciers/ice caps, perma frost and more araid areas will.\n\nFor example, all the methane trapped under Permafrost. As it warms slightly means it thaws out a bit which releases more trapped gasses, which then means it will warm a bit more and so on. Its a nice little cycle.\n\n Also Global Warming doesnt mean less snow. Snow needs moisture in the air to freeze, and if more moisture is available ala melting ice caps and water evaporating in warmer areas that means more potential snow.",
"Bingo. Folks seem to forget that this planet has been warming up for THOUSANDS of years. Proof? WTF do you think caused the Great Lakes? Glaciers receding. \"Global warming\" is nothing more than a way to steal money thru carbon licenses that will do absolutely zero to stop a trend that has been happening for millennia.",
"Well the when is probably recentish? The how is global warming.",
"The struggle is real folks!!",
"What? That is not how glaciers work dude.",
"Fuck off. Can you see the water around the boat in the 1918? There's no ice, it's not January. Even if it were winter vs summer, a 100 foot high glacier won't change with the seasons. You goddamn Deniers are pathetic. ",
"... Because it is a thing regardless what little Donnie thinks.",
"Conservatives suck cock all the time...",
"I do. And I agree. It’s sad that the human race which boasts a magnificent intelligence, lacks the foresight about some so important. \n\nThe baby boomer generation needs to die out. Rough to type that but it’s true.",
"Did I even have to look?\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/tUjCIjH.png",
"It doesn't properly demonstrate climate change today in any meaningful way. It shows a time period starting in an ice age to the end of that ice age. Like showing the difference between winter and summer while claiming climate change. If you really wanted to know how bad things are you need to compare similar time periods. \n\n\nIts just unfortunate how many people reference it in climate change discussions. ",
"Because glaciers *dont* dissappear and reappear seasonaly. It takes hundreds of years if not more for them to form.",
"So I work with a few people that think it’s comical that people believe in climate change. They will always say “climate has been changing since the dawn of time”. That what’s happening isn’t anything new. That always seemed like a dumb argument but I don’t know how to challenge it. ",
"Who left the refrigerator door open again!?",
"Well... First off thats exactly what he said, so good job fucking up there.\n\nSecond, NO ONE is saying that. Everyone knows that Ice Ages and shit you know... Happened.",
"Glaciers, especially those near the sea, have seasonal melt. There may be a noticeable difference comparing winter to winter but this is just disingenuous. ",
"When you finally level up far enough to access the next area",
"No... Thats not how glaciers wirk.",
"> But she cautions that her mathematical research cannot be used as proof that there will be a mini ice age this time around, not least because of global warming. \n\nDude did you even read the article you linked ",
"Haha it supposed to be a pun on all the people complaining about weight-loss progress pics coming in r/pics",
"Roughly 4-8 inches / 10-20 centimeters",
"I get that, and agree that it should have it all. However the current warming is still much faster than previous warming periods, are you saying that is not the case?",
"There's just as much proof that climate change has been accelerated by the acts of mankind as there is proof of the opposite. What it really comes down to is that MAYBE it's because of us. If that is even the remotest of possibilities, what harm could it do for people to become more conscientious of the impact that they might be having on the environment? Interestingly enough, this is also the argument that some people use to encourage others to follow the tenements of Christianity. The logic is that, even though there's no proof that God exists, what harm could it do to hedge your bets just in case God does exist? If people would just start being more aware of the world around them and the negative impact they have upon it and if people would just try being more pleasant to each other, just think what a much cleaner, better world it would be. It's as easy as throwing your trash in a bin instead of into the creek or onto the sidewalk and holding doors open for people and saying \"Please\" and \"Thank you\". These really aren't difficult changes to make.",
"Fucking, what. Thats not how that works.",
"Glaciers are not really affected by seasons. Look up how they are formed.\n\nSecond, the place is above the pole circle, meaning it's 100% dark there in January.\n\nThird, the mountains would have snow on them in January. ",
"What's the optimum temperature of the Earth? What is the temperature of the Earth supposed to be? How far back do the records go? When was Earth's last ice age? How many ice ages has the Earth had?\n\nHow is it that you are so arrogant to know what is happening with so little information?\n\n\n",
"Lmao. 4 inches? Is not the whole bullshit Global warming propaganda machine lead by Al Gore that it would have rose a minimum 2 feet by 2020?. In the next 100 years it could easily go back. Seriously think outside the box for a moment. Weather stations still have a hard time predicting the current weather, but then expect you to believe the garbage Al Gore makes baout weather in the future?. Climate change exists but it had always existed. ",
"There's a huge difference between a bright northern winter's night and full daylight like you can see in that picture.\n\nI've been out on nights where you could read a book by the moon, but it is still obviously night time.",
"Not everyone with a PhD graduates with As. Some still skate by just aboce passing lol.",
"The point of the graph is to demonstrate the acute and significant effects of AGW. It contextualises the information by spending 99% of the graph showing the gradual changes in global temperatures pre-industrial revolution and marking the significant natural sources of fluctuation, so that when we reach current day at the bottom, we see that the swing in global averages is acute, happening at an unprecedented rate, and perfectly correlated with the beginning of the industrial revolution.\n\nIt is not like showing the difference between winter and summer and claiming that it's climate change because the graph doesn't argue anything about pre-industrual era climate change, it just uses it to establish a baseline for how rapidly global temperatures changed in the past. That's the whole point of AGW, that it hasn't happened before our present time. It's a fantastic graph that absolutely does properly demonstrate the concerning short-term rise in global average temperatures.",
"I'm not denying climate change is happening but I know some people suggest the world was supposed to go through another ice age but because of climate change, we didn't. Isn't that a good thing? We can adapt to slowly rising temperatures, we've done it for 100's of thousands of years. If everything freezes. We're fucked. Gradually rising temps are better than falling temps. ",
"Thank you! I keep coming back to see the other answers on this comment stream and am learning loads. It's super interesting. \n\nI think I was getting the actual melting of the ice mixed up with glacial surge. I'm not really sure. I appreciate that you took the time to answer :)",
"We used to call it global warming because looking at the climate on a global scale it was getting warmer. But then you get people like the POTUS who go \"THERE'S SNOW, GLOBAL WARMING ISN'T REAL\" so we went with climate change because global warming was misinterpreted.",
"No, it doesn't at all. If that were the case then there is literally no point to 99% of the graph except for the end where there is significant change. Even then, you have nothing else to compare it with. How is anyone supposed to know those changes are actually extreme if you aren't also able to see previous changes in similar periods? You're just accepting it and not asking any questions. ",
"I'm saying you can't get that from the graph because it is only showing this period. You have no comparison to work with. ",
"Gotta love the fact that he's there on a motorboat.",
"I mean the earth chamges regardless so this would have hapoened *eventually* unless another Ice Age kicks in.\n\nWeve just sped it up so that this happens in a matter of decades.",
"Can't have global warming if the Earth is flat an not a globe!",
"Wonder how much gold is sitting over there? Glad I got to see all glaciers back in 89 when I got to go to Alaska with my grandparents. ",
"They're right, of course. The climate has changed since Earth has been a planet. But, what they're ignoring is that the rate of change now is totally unlike it ever has been in human history. XKCD did a pretty good visualization of this. https://xkcd.com/1732/ \n\nAlso most of those big climate shifts in the last, which we're gentler and more gradual than the one happening now, caused huge mass extinctions. The one about 10,000 years ago at the end of the ice age killed mammoths, saber tooth tigers, and lots of other big animals. There's no reason to think that the changes today won't have an even more catastrophic impact, since they're happening faster. So just because climate change happened in the past doesn't mean it won't be a huge problem for us now.",
"> due to other factors.\n\nLike 5 months passing according to some of them xD",
"stupid science...you could have taken a picture form the same spot 1 million years ago, and it would look like the bottom picture....news alert: the earths orbit is elliptical not a perfect circle.",
"More accurately weve accelerated it. The earth its self just changes on its own, weve just fucked that cycle up\n",
"\"This is pretty dam scary. What do we do?\" ",
"[No, we didn't](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/PeerReviewedPapersComparingGlobalWarmingAndCoolingIn1970s.jpg). Global cooling was predicted due to a slight decrease in temperatures from ~1940-70, but that was [a tiny decrease compared to the general trend](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Global_Temperature_Anomaly.svg).",
"... I cant even. \n\nGlaciers take generations to form they dont just melt away and reform on a yearly cycle.",
"Have glaciers really shrunk that much?",
"It’s probably not a problem, probably.",
"troll",
"The funny part is that he was joking as stated in one of his other comments.\n\nIts also sad that something so stupid cant be obviously taken as a jome since thats a real belief people have.",
"Well he sure aint helping the climate change situation by idling that fucking boat for 86 years...lol",
"Fuck dude I wish i bought bit coins when they were like... Cents each.",
"I think the picture above is actually Boston last weekend. ",
"\"Global warming is a hoax,\" said the fucking idiot.",
"Then and then.",
"Thanks Trump!",
"Youre being a huge condenscending dick to him. All he asked was how they knew when it was taken lol.",
"\"inter-glacial time periods\"",
"You have to separate legit science from the political swill pushed by people like Al Gore. It really undermines credibility when so many predictions are proven to be false. ",
"Even then anyone's that isnt a complete idiot would know that glaciers dont dissappear over the course of a few months.",
"> I know some people suggest the world was supposed to go through another ice age but because of climate change, we didn't.\n\nSome people do, those people aren't climate scientists. \n\nWe can adapt to most any changes, but if we get more CO2 in the atmosphere than the plants/algae/etc can convert back into O2, we won't be able to breathe, and that would be quite the adaptation to make. \n\nEverything freezes? We can work with that. Everything gets hot? We can work with that too (up to a point). No air? Fuck.",
".. I just explained that the point of 99% of the graph was to *contextualise* the information. If the graph had just been the part after the industrial revolution, then it wouldn't tell us whether what's happening is normal or abnormal.\n\nYou're supposed to know that those changes are extreme because the rate of change over the past 100 years is 4-5 times higher than in any other 100 year period in the preceding 20,000 years.\n\nThere are never going to be two exact same periods in global climate to compare between. That doesn't happen. It's not that I'm just accepting it and not asking any questions, is that you're not accepting it because you think that your questions are meaningful when they aren't.",
"Commented in the wrong thread",
"Yeah, I went digging and found a couple sources (questionable reliability) saying that there was a \"little ice age\" from 1400s until the late 1800s/early 1900s (there are a number of sources stating different time periods). So, I guess, we are just in between little ice ages as well as a substantial assistance from mankind pollution causing a snowball effect?\n\nI'm better at biological sciences than geology and environmental. So by all means call me out on bullshit.\n\nAddition: I also only looked at general info not info specific to the images location",
"Its going from an ice age to the end of that ice age. Its not showing any other warming periods in the entirety of earths history. You have no other warming periods to compare it to. Therefore you can't really conclude anything about the abnormal warming thats occurring. \n\n\n> is that you're not accepting it because you think that your questions are meaningful when they aren't.\n\n\nI don't know where you get that idea at all. No where have I said the graph is inaccurate in anyway. I've said its lacking information to properly demonstrate climate change thats happening. Like I've said in other comments the graph is no different than showing a winter period and a summer period and calling it global warming. \n\n\nWhat part of \"no other warming periods to compare it to\" are you not understanding? ",
"I’ve risen 4 inches in the last couple of minutes if you catch my drift....",
"> **in light** of the available technology in 1918\n\nWp.",
"Hmmm something seem different. New boat?",
"Yes there is, we have multiple ways of recording Earth's temperature to a nearly year by year accuracy, so we know the rate:\n\nhttps://maas.museum/event/ecologic/the-exhibition/climate-change/how-do-scientists-measure-climate-change/",
"http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-8900-ex",
"Also less dicks dribbling in the sky.",
"more warm days for said idiot to go golfing, smart move",
"BUY A TOILET",
"Clearly a Chinese hoax.",
"[\"Lovely back-swing, you fuckwit\"](http://keithgolfclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Ice-Golf.jpg)\n\n",
"A whole lot of scientists are saying that solar cycles 24 and 25 are going to be low. \n\nThere are pop-science articles saying solar sunspots have little effect on global temperatures, such as this popular one from 2015:\n\nhttp://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspots-global-warming.htm\n\nThe opposite side can point to multiple papers that are more recent that refute this. The following article lists 7 scientific papers from 2017 that indicate another ice age may be incoming:\n\nhttp://notrickszone.com/2017/12/28/7-new-2017-papers-forecast-global-cooling-another-little-ice-age-will-begin-soon/\n\nBasically, we all know that the sun has 11 year cycles. These are numbered, and number 24 and 25 are the upcoming ones. Within the 11 year cycle, there are trends that are well understood and easy to predict.\n\nThere is also a 190 year cycle, based on the tug of the planets. This cycle is harder to understand, but over the last 5, we have seen mini ice ages, the most two recent being the Dalton minimum (which was minor), and Maunder minimum (which was not). The next minimum is coming up, and it will almost certainly have some effect. The NoTricksZone article makes it sound like it will be rather extreme. It lists some reputable papers, but honestly exaggerates what they are saying to some extent.\n\nThe skepticalscience article includes a graph that conveniently goes back only 140 years:\n\nhttps://static.skepticalscience.com/pics/TvsTSI.png\n\nIt uses this to say that there is no 190 year cycle, haha. That graph does show that the 11 year cycle is minor in comparison to larger trends, but it says absolutely nothing about the 190 year cycle.\n\nBasically, it's safe to say that finding a pop science article that talks about the effect of solar activity on the climate and is unbiased is nearly completely impossible. It's a complicated field, and something between the two is probably correct.",
"\"Friends\"",
"2009 I was working with a friend who was one of those guys that had 45 guns, just bought a new car, just bought this expensive thing, that expensive thing. Yeah yeah okay Andrew. One of the things he always talked about was bitcoin. I shrugged it off as BS. Of course.. he invested and isn't \"RICH\" but he owns a successful business in Arizona selling exotic fish or some shit, all funded by his investments in bitcoin from earlier years.",
"Edit: if downvoting, give an explanation to add to the discussion.\n\n They arent exactly wrong, except for the part of it being comical. The climate has been changing and will continue to do so. Im in the middle. I believe in the science and history. We have Al Gore on one side who was saying global warming was going to take us beyond the brink and his dealine has passed by years. That wasnt good for the cause as its no longer called global warming for an alarmist reaction. Then you have the other side of the discussion saying its a joke because there is snow outside in winter right now so climatologists are nuts. So what position have i arrived upon? I think i should do my part to contribute to environmental problems as little as possible. Make less waste. Dont litter. Use caution with chemicals and the like. Pass that along to others. The list can go on. We also cant act like we just woke up and heard about this today. The people who act like wildfires in California and hurricanes in the Caribbean just became a thing are comical as well. With regard to this post, glaciers are kinda supposed to be retreating. They are from the ice age which was an extreme global cooling. Maybe we are just normalizing from then. We have to keep in mind that humans live day to day while the earth lives millenium to millenium. The solution? Be responsible and ride it out. Just live responsibly. We cant make it perfect even if we go back to being hunter/gatherers living in caves. The earth will be around long after we are gone and its climate will continue to change from millenium to millenium. \n\nEdit: by in the middle, i mean im not a denier but im also not screaming the sky is falling. The climate is definitely changing and we should be responsible within reason and with considerstion for future generations.",
"We are in one of the warm areas.....froze all our asses off here for a week, heat pumps don't really work when the temps get below freezing. Melting ice caps leading to moisture and more snow really sucks. Much much prefer hot humid temps not frozen....lol . Its like we woke up from a bad dream here, the streets were deserted as everyone was inside trying stay warm. Hope the hell we don't see this kind of weather on a regular basis one day. Thanks for your answer.",
"I’m sorry I didn’t /s. You’re right it’s definitely not funny, it’s tragic. It’s just amazing to me that there are people hat think this way though.",
"Its with near certainty a glacier tongue sticking out onto the ocean. Sea ice forms as a pack, irregularly and with major unevenness to both the top and edge. If you want photos to compare to, [this](https://news.uaf.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Barrow-ishore-fast-ice-edge-16May2015.jpg) is a good example of a growing ice edge from northern Alaska from two years ago. A glacier front, like the floating terminus of the [Perito Moreno Glacier](https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/07/db/1d/dc/perito-moreno-glacier.jpg) is generally quite thick and constant across the front. Sure, there are still marine glaciers on Svalbard, but I fail to see the comparison to the original picture. Who cares that that's also Svalbard, for all we know that ice front in 1918 was three more miles out to sea. You can't just cavalierly compare two random glaciers together, for all you know they could have both melted back the same.\n\nHope that helps.",
"Global warming",
"And a New boat ",
"I have one, it's bucket shaped.",
"Sea ice has dramatic seasonal changes. Land-bound ice (glaciers, ice sheets, true snowfields) does not. A glacier is land-bound even with a marine terminus.",
"Fake News!!! \nIts photoshopped. Global warming isn't real!!!!\nTrump is smart!!!",
"Finally, we can see the beautiful landscape. ",
"In all seriousness, many black inks, specifically those used in newsprint, have used halogenated aromatic hydrocarbons. Black tattoo ink uses soot to achieve that color. Because soot is unregulated, it can contain polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons among other toxic substances.",
"Trump did this to us!",
"oh shit it was Tecumseh Sherman the whole time",
"Is that the ice wall the government is hiding?",
"> Its going from an ice age to the end of that ice age. Its not showing any other warming periods in the entirety of earths history. You have no other warming periods to compare it to. Therefore you can't really conclude anything about the abnormal warming thats occurring. \n\nI don't know if you're being intentionally obtuse, but what you're doing is demanding criteria for comparison specific to the point of being unobtainable without accounting at all for why you think that unobtainable information could possibly explain the dramatic changes that we see, and then you try to throw away the actual data on that basis. It's a classic tactic of climate change deniers - pretend that anything even slightly short of 100% irrefutable certainty about the entire 4.5 billion year climate history on Earth means that nothing shows anything and all data can be discarded. It's trite, and I have no desire to entertain it.\n\n>I don't know where you get that idea at all. No where have I said the graph is inaccurate in anyway. I've said its lacking information to properly demonstrate climate change thats happening. Like I've said in other comments the graph is no different than showing a winter period and a summer period and calling it global warming. \n\nI get that idea because that's what you're doing. The graph is not inherently lacking in information to properly demonstrate climate change that's happening. Like I said in the comment above, it *is* different from showing a winter period and a summer period and calling it global warming, and I said *why* that's the case. That doesn't need to be repeated any more.\n\n>What part of \"no other warming periods to compare it to\" are you not understanding? \n\nI'm understanding it just fine. I also understand that it's meaningless hand-waving unless you substantiate your argument.",
"2 hours later.... still nothing",
"SAD",
"You know what's funny? the sea level doesn't seem to have rised at all",
"Nor is an out of context photo that has a strong implication",
"[Fun Fact!](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pcxmw/then_and_now/dsgj2uq/)",
"Those mountains can breathe again. They're welcome",
"Dont know if i believe it or not .. if its 100% valid . then dayummmm",
"Man thank god all that ice moved. Now we can see the mountains!!",
"Always disguise a good lie with verifiable truths. ",
"I personally am skeptical because of liars in government and media...however that doesn't stop me from being environmentally conscious. I still try to leave as small a carbon footprint as my life allows. I just know Al Gore and similar got filthy off climate science. I know that the EPA got so bloated under Obama that they were providing diversity officers to train on transgender stuff. I'm okay with a reasonable convo on climat3 science, not the abuses the government, MSM, and Hollywood pull.",
"I saw that later, but you can’t expect people to read all your replies to the replies people have you. ",
"...The information isn't unobtainable. Its readily available.\n\n\n>and then you try to throw away the actual data on that basis.\n\n\nDo I have to say it again? Nothing about the graph is wrong. Climate change is very real. \n\n\n>It's not lacking in information to properly demonstrate climate change that's happening.\n\n\nSure it is. You can't know that the change is actually extreme without looking at similar periods of warming. I don't know what you don't understand about that. \n\n>it is different from showing a winter period and a summer period and calling it global warming, and I said why that's the case.\n\n\nIts literally not. It starts at an ice age and goes through one warming period to the end of that ice age. Its literally the same as showing the change from winter to summer without showing any past winter to summer changes.\n\n\n\nJesus, you are dense and totally ignoring what I've said while trying to dismiss me as a climate change denier despite saying the exact opposite. Whats wrong with you? Why are you saying more data is bad and unnecessary? ",
"That truly is one of the core problems with this debate.\n\nI also question some aspects, funding in particular. But virtually any inquisitive comment I make gets downvoted hard. Usually with zero replies but occasionally an ad-hominem or claim that I'm a 'science denier'.",
"\"Imagine the nads on the guys who did this in a wagon! We share their spirit, Brian! We're pioneers! Manifest destiny!\"",
"and nvidia",
"But OP's picture is misleading. That's the issue.",
"No problem. It happens.\nYou had me wondering if I was losing it. :)",
". . . I'm not your buddy, guy!",
"And a glass of ice water doesn't overflow when all the ice melts.",
"Risen ",
"ALL Glaciers move, very slowly. The whole of North America is proof of that. Glacial lakes, Mima Mounds in WA State. Grooves in rock faces where slag was ground between glacier and rock.\nCalving of glaciers, when it falls into the sea, would not happen if they did not move.",
"Notice the difference in boats?",
"Just to be the Devil's Advocate about your last comment...all throughout history, the greatest minds have been wrong about things. Some examples are that the world is flat, the sun revolves around the Earth, smoking cigarettes isn't unhealthy and there are only 9 planets in the solar system. Even Einstein was wrong about his cosmological constent.\n\nMy point is that just because very smart people believe something to be true, doesn't automatically make it so. What bugs me about most arguments and debates these days is how political they get. Science and technology advances thanks to people proving others wrong and making sure knowledge is updated as we learn new things. It's the debate that advances our understanding of these things. You can't simply say, \"Anyone who doesn't believe climate change is real is an idiot!\" and call it a day. Then when someone challenges your comment, your response is simply, \"Well 90% of world's top scientists believe that it's real, so you'd have to be an idiot *not* to believe them.\"\n\nI guess what I'm saying is we should stop all the *I'm right, so you must be wrong* talk because some things aren't that simple. We shouldn't be picking teams on important topics, but working together to get to the truth.",
" /u/NeotericLeaf provided no source, citation or evidence of his claim that the 1918 picture was taken in January and the 2004 picture was taken in July.\n\nAs far as I can tell It's entirely made up. /u/NeotericLeaf seems to have entirely fabricated that information.\n\n[translation of the source of the image](https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&amp;tl=en&amp;js=y&amp;prev=_t&amp;hl=en&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oei.es%2Fhistorico%2Fdecada%2Faccion17.htm&amp;edit-text=&amp;act=url) says nothing about the months they were taken.",
"Nah it only took 2 hours.",
"I found it interesting, but I didn't upvote it. Then I found out it was a lie and went on with my life.",
"Glaciers have been receding since the end of the Little Ice Age in 1700 or so. Leave an ice cube on your counter at room temp and it will melt faster and faster. Earth has warmed since the Little Ice Age. No surprise. \n\n90+% of the ice is in the [Antarctic, which is doing fine](https://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/03/16/you-ask-i-provide-november-2nd-1922-arctic-ocean-getting-warm-seals-vanish-and-icebergs-melt/).\n\n[Old **1922** Washington Post/AP Article on Arctic ice: **“great masses of ice have now been replaced by moraines of earth and stones,” and “at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared.”**](https://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/03/16/you-ask-i-provide-november-2nd-1922-arctic-ocean-getting-warm-seals-vanish-and-icebergs-melt/)\n\nIn industrialized areas, soot has accelerated glacier decline as well.\n[NASA: Industrial Soot Linked to the Abrupt Retreat of 19th Century Glaciers](https://www.nature.com/news/how-soot-killed-the-little-ice-age-1.13650)",
"Sorry I wasn't born in English speaking country. You're being racist",
"I guess it’s true they didn’t have colour back then.",
"Dear past me: Remember how you got .50 btc for free to get your wallet started when you were exploring the capabilities of your shiny new high performance desktop replacement laptop? DO NOT THROW AWAY THAT LAPTOP FOR THE LOVE OF GOD.",
"A photographer in 1918 very well could have said that. Look up \"dodge and burn\" as it relates to darkroom work with film. ",
"Well, yes. While the overall trend has been getting warmer for quite some time, the rate of warming has not ever been this fast, as far as we can tell. \n\n...And it just so happens that this sudden rapid warming, that does not appear to be part of any longer-term trend, corresponds with a massive increase in human industrial activity -- notably the burning of hyrdrocarbons. \n\nSo, the inaccuracy in the statement is based in what the statement omits. It's a bit more complicated than to simply say that this has been going on for thousands of years. ",
"Scary :(",
"Wow. It seems pretty fuckin clickbaity now.",
"Oh, that little guy? Don’t worry about that little guy.",
"There’s more ice now than ever previously recorded",
"Dude has a business selling exotic fish... Are you sure he isn't rich or do you just consider rich to be tres comma only?",
"The photos may have been taken at different times of the year, but a glacier like the one we see in them is something that forms over thousands of years. Between summer and winter in the average year you would only see a difference of a few inches, at most, in the level of the ice. So the change we can see in the photos has almost nothing to do with time of year or current weather.",
"You can believe in climate change and be all for green technologies and still believe that mankind isn't the primary contributor.",
"Which implies the glaciers were already melting hundreds of years ago, as sailors have been dodging icebergs for at least that long. Which given that most of them formed in the last Ice Age and their southern cousins were already ancient history by the time anyone started sailing around the North Atlantic, makes sense.",
"Looks like the Earth isn't flat anymore",
"So basically saying she can't say it with certainty, just like with every other scientific observation or hypothesis. Why are you so hostile?",
"[Science is a liar...sometimes](https://youtu.be/Zgk8UdV7GQ0)",
"So similar to how Al Gore kept telling us there will be no more ice in the Arctic by 200, it seems. Can't trust anything these days",
"And yet, there is less permafrost.",
"Dang, Antarctica right?",
"You sum of a beach, you furking cork sorker.... ya got me....",
"Diversified. Clever guy.",
"So it's colour, but American schools are bound to military efficiency?",
"I see the ice is playing hide n seek ",
"So what, the ice wouldn't be so different in the first photo in summer or winter. The comparison to now would still be stark. ",
"I dont condone people being dicks and not answering you, but couldn't you just google the answer? ",
"Np. Im not super educated on it but thats the kind OF information ive managed to pick up and retain so far.",
"Think about how much youd have if you bought a couple hundred dollars worth when it was like 25 cents a pop.",
"So stable folks. You wouldn’t believe how stable I am. My hands are also enormous",
"That's a very generalist statement and unfair. That's the equivalent of me saying all liberals deny the existence of only two genders. ",
"Ah",
"Are you suggesting that icebergs migrate?",
"Obviously thete us seasonal melt but its like... Half an inch which then gets replaced. Otherwise there is no glacier.",
"The juxtaposition of the row boat versus the powerboat adds a little poignancy to these two pictures.",
"The last ice age ended 10,000 years ago. That glacier was much larger 100 years ago. Why would it wait 9900 years to do it's melting? Also for some good perspective on temperature changes in recent history look at https://xkcd.com/1732/.",
"Too early for bitcoin! ",
"Then and then. ",
"Well it's called worst-case scenario for a reason. Unless we're headed there, I'm not concerned about that. You can say \"worst-case scenario\" for pretty much everything but it's not reality. Did Al Gore say Florida was gonna be under water by now? ",
"Luckily 97% of real scientists also confirm human caused climate change.",
"And more ocean surface area and a higher average temperature means more water evaporating and more cloud cover, and clouds reflect sunlight almost as well as snow and ice. Can't just look at one part of the process.",
">...The information isn't unobtainable. Its readily available.\n\nThen by all means, show us your acceptably comparable climate periods that demonstrate why the graph linked above is misleading and how this same temperature spike happened in the same way at the last point in global climate that you deem acceptably comparable.\n\n>Do I have to say it again? Nothing about the graph is wrong. Climate change is very real. \n\nI don't know why you'd feel compelled to repeat that.\n\n>Sure it is. You can't know that the change is actually extreme without looking at similar periods of warming. I don't know what you don't understand about that. \n\nYes, you can know that the change is extreme by comparing it to the historical rate of change. You keep saying \"similar periods of warming,\" but you're not defining what you think is similar, you're not presenting any data from periods that you think are similar and show different and more acute global temperature changes than shown in the pre-industrial era in the graph above. You're not really doing much of anything at all.\n\nWhat you *are* doing is speculating without offering any substantiated justification for your speculation. I don't know what you don't understand about that, I don't know why you don't understand that if you want to make a point, you have to actually substantiate it.\n\n>Its literally not. It starts at an ice age and goes through one warming period to the end of that ice age. Its literally the same as showing the change from winter to summer without showing any past winter to summer changes.\n\nYes, it literally is different. We know that the change in temperature between the seasons is not caused by global warming. That is not in doubt, that is not a thing that still needs to be proven. Showing the gradual seasonal change in temperatures between January and June and attributing that change primarily to global warming is a demonstrable fabrication. Showing a sharp rise in global average temperatures over 100 years, unprecedented by a factor of four during the preceding 20,000 year periods and attributing it to AGW is not something that you so far seem to be able to demonstrate to be a fabrication with the data available.\n\nYou're trying to equate telling a demonstrable lie with taking an excerpt of available climate data for the purposes of presentation and building a graph to contextualise recent changes in global average temperatures. If you can document that by expanding the historical data on the graph you will find historical precedent that explains the recent change in temperatures then you will turn that graph into a demonstrable lie, but you haven't, and you can't. This is your problem. You're trying to say that presentations that you have unsubstantiated doubts about are the same as lies.\n\n>Jesus, you are dense and totally ignoring what I've said while trying to dismiss me as a climate change denier despite saying the exact opposite. Whats wrong with you? Why are you saying more data is bad and unnecessary? \n\nYou shouldn't call me dense if you don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not dismissing you as a climate change denier, I'm telling you that the bad arguments that you're using are staples of dishonest climate denial.\n\nWhy do you think that I'm saying that more data is bad and unnecessary? What's wrong with *you?*",
"A PhD in law...",
"I tried. I found out the 2004 image is from June but there is no source on the first only mentions of it being from 1918. When I searched the name of the glacier the sources that came up were modern studies of glacial surges. There was no connection (other than greenpeace) between the two images. \n\nThe main reason I ask here is because my googling was not good enough in the time I had. So I decided maybe someone more prepared and well equiped may be able to give me a better answer. ",
"I think there's a debate to be had about whether it is right or not for humans to change the Earth for out own benefit. However, when you said the climate is changing the same way as it always has you're simply mistaken. Climate change that is happening now is at a faster rate than ever in human history. This comic is a good overview: https://xkcd.com/1732/",
"Uh *fuck*",
"Glaciers are land ice, not sea ice. I wasn't claiming that's the only drive, there are many factors going into it.",
"> It probably looked the same in the \"pre-then\" as in the initial \"starting-then\" in the top photo.\n\nWhere is the evidence to back up that claim. I'm not a climate change denier, but pictures like this don't prove anything. It's like the guy that brought the snowball to the Congress floor to try to argue against global warming.",
"Are you arguing against yourself?",
"I meant googling about glaciers. Glaciers do no disappear with the seasons as snow does. Even in the hottest days of summer the glaciers would still be there. Well, they used to",
"You appear to have only read the headline, which itself was a bit misleading, no fault of your own there, but if you're going to share it then you bear the responsibility of spreading a somewhat false message.\n\nThe article references a paper which shows correlation between low solar magnetic activity and historic cold periods. However, the paper's author is quoted saying that this will *not* result in a new mini ice age and will at best only offset global warming, which she acknowledges as fact. She concludes that, if anything, this low magnetic activity is only just saving us from global warming being worse than it already is. Nothing to do with certainty at all.\n\nAlso, come on, my first message wasn't hostile! ",
"I agree it's sad, but read some of the other comments here and you can see why it's necessary",
"How am I arguing against myself? Personally I believe in climate change, but all this does is give more ammo to skeptics that the media is trying to pull a fast one on them.",
"That's 800 bitcoin and at the current value of $14,525.00 he would have $11.62 million\n\nEdit: in the 35 minutes since I made my comment that value has gone down to $11.52 million",
"That's awesome! When can we make a claim and sell land to Walmart!?",
"Besides the ice air samples we also have air bubbles from amber. That can tell us what the air was like during the dinosaur age, and by looking at flora of the different times we can tell a lot too, (not a paleobotanist so bare with me on some vague recalling of high school science class from the 80s) by looking at the size of plants stomata and veins you can confer on how much oxygen/carbon dioxide is in the air and how warm it was on average. Then looking at the bugs, Insects breathe not through lungs but through a system of spiracles and narrow tracheal tubes so their size is limited to how much oxygen is in the air, we had dragonflies that were 29in (75cm) across, for an insect to reach that size there would have to have been a lot more oxygen and a lot less carbon dioxide (difusion state and all that). \n\nAnother way to find out what the air was like millions of years ago is pyroclastic material, the lava gets shot through the air and cools rapidly so it captures tons of air along the way before landing so all someone needs to do is break it open and you have air pockets of the past and you can radiodate the rock to know the time frame it's from since the rock is brand new when it captured the air. \n\nIt's not just polar caps we can see the air from 10s of thousands of years ago, we can go back millions of years in almost any geographical area by finding the bubbles and fossils.",
"Oh I see, well I'm aware that it takes years for a sizeable glacier like that to disappear and its not seasonal.\n\nIt was maybe a badly worded \"is there any seasonal effect (even minimal) on the glacier\" not so much \"sun make ice go bye bye\"\n\nedit: in hindsight maybe the lack of scientific papers on glacial season shows how little, if any, effect is acting upon them.",
"Feelsbadman",
"We are fucked!!!",
"Well, technically, there arent' just two genders.\n\nAllow me to help.\n\n[Hermaphrodites](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphrodite#Humans)\n\n[Hijra](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia))\n\n\nSo, now that we've gotten past the fact that your analogy doesn't make any sense, [lets address whether or not it is unfair.](http://www.pewinternet.org/2016/10/04/the-politics-of-climate/)\n\n\nThe political connection is undeniable. Sometimes a generalist statement is not only fair, but also accurate. \n\n\nRepublicans repeatedly deny science for political reasons. ",
"Anyone know what the time gap is here?",
"You mean the non scientific, non peer reviewed study that threw out over 60% of data/papers because they didn't take a stance one way or the other on climate change? That \"97%\"?",
"More of a rhetoric question meant as a joke. But thx anyway. ",
"Hundreds of miles of ice melt every summer in Antarctica. I don't know the exact story behind this picture but it's comparing apples to oranges which is disingenuous. \n\nhttps://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/SeaIce/images/antarctic_min_max_map.png",
"But I don’t want to think about that. ",
"I had to go back and read my own comments because you keep replying to things I havent said. Do you just imagine alternative meanings to comments and then reply to what you imagined? No where have I said the graph is misleading. No where have I said it's wrong or factually inaccurate in any way. I have said the exact opposite multiple times now. Please, read what I am saying and not some alternative bullshit you thought I was saying in code or something.\n\n\n\nYou do understand there have been many periods of warming and cooling in earths history right? You do understand there have been many ice ages right? The graph shows one. How are you just totally incapable of getting that?\n\n\nThe graph doesn't contextualize changes in global temperatures in any way that properly demonstrates climate change today because it is only showing one period of warming. It doesn't show any other period. If I gave you one year of temperature changes and then drew conclusions from that would you find it meaningful? No, because you have nothing else to compare it to.\n\n\n\nSeriously, what specifically do you find confusing about that? Why are you just replying to shit I haven't said? Because yes, you're being absurdly dense. ",
"So if I took a photo of glaciers at Glacier or Mt. Rainier Nat’l Parks right now in January and then again in July of this year, there’d be no noticeable difference? I’m skeptical. ",
"Can someone ELI5?\n\nLet's say you owned 10 bitcoins. Currently worth $14,525 a piece. Who is going to buy them from you? Who is going to give you $145,250 in exchange for them? Do you just have to go to a market place that accepts them and buy as much stuff as you can while the price is still high?",
"Climate deniers will say, “See, the climate is getting cleaner! You can clearly tell by how black and dirty the first picture looks versus how the newer one is so much more clean and colorful!” ",
"How did they take the picture in January? There's no sunlight Oct through March.",
"FAKE NEWS !! \n\nTrump feels cold so there is not global warming.",
"Retreat of glaciers is pretty dramatic in places and very troubling. But these particular pictures don't really show how bad the situation is. ",
"Yes, Viserion made quick work of the Wall.",
"Dude, if someone questions the difference of months these pics were taken they aren’t automatically “climate change deniers.” I’M ON YOUR SIDE, for fuck’s sake! Don’t assume I hate the environment for being skeptical of the alleged fact that one pic was taken in January and the other in July. Someone else posted a pic of the glacier in Sept. and it was noticeably larger than OP’s bottom pic.",
"Then explain to me, because that wall of ice in the first picture, is not the end of a glacier. There is not a 50 foot tall and God knows however long Glacier behind that wall of Ice. Is that what you think is actually happening in that first picture? There was once a year round, through all season, monster glacier there, and it's gone 100 years later?",
"Huge difference ",
"Huge difference ",
"Then explain to me, because that wall of ice in the first picture, is not the end of a glacier. There is not a 50 foot tall and God knows however long Glacier behind that wall of Ice. Is that what you think is actually happening in that first picture? There was once a year round, through all season, monster glacier there, and it's gone 100 years later?",
"The evidence is literally before your eyes.",
"I love Randall, but he's full of shit. He deliberately picked the middle of the last Ice Age to start his graph from to make it seem like it's an inexorable warming trend. He also neglects to point out, as do you, that detailed temperature records are only available for the last few hundred years, and the resolution of records before that have trouble showing rapid changes. His graph also goes \"massive emissions of CO2\" and points to the 20th Century... when the actual spike in carbon emissions started in the Industrial Revolution to no immediate response. Carbon isn't the only cause of climate change. No change in carbon emissions by humans produced a change four times as large as the change being blamed on humans' carbon emissions, AND it's a hockey stick graph that makes the assumption that it will be self-accelerating, ignoring that Earth sheds energy into space as the fourth power of its temperature. That is, if the average we're comparing against is 10C for the sake of discussion, that's a radiation per unit area of\n\n σ * (273 + 10) ^ 4 = σ * 6.4e9\n\nRaise the temperature by 2 degrees C and you get\n\n σ * (273 + 12) ^ 4 = σ * 6.6e9\n\nSo that's an increase of 2.9% power radiated for just a 2C bump.\n\nEarth's average albedo, or reflectivity, is about 35%. Were you to convert it to a perfect black body (which can't be done with just CO2 emissions) and lower its albedo to 0, you would be increasing the absorbed energy from the sun by about 54%. If that average temp we were looking at in Monroe's graph was 10C, a perfect black-body Earth would be about 42C ((1.538 * 283\\^4)\\^.25). So that's *worse* than the worst-case that CO2 could produce. ",
"Jokes on you I dont live anywhere near a coast so my city is safe.\n\nBut good job being an angry jackass that just shout \"hurrrrr libtard!\" at anything he doesnt like instead of trying to educate your self on a topic.",
"Uh-oh",
"See? I wish I had done that lol.",
"Is there a subreddit for then and now pictures?",
"But you didn't mention them or even allude to their existence, which is disingenuous if you are trying to talk about the consequences of some change in climate.",
"Well yeah, tell that dumbass on the bottom to stop using his motor boat that emits greenhouses gasses which warms up the atmosphere thus melting that ice. What a jerk!",
"I would like to say that I can imagine the level or abject ignorance, but I probably can't. I seriously don't need that level of buzzkill and besides, [remember what Ron White says](http://i.imgur.com/UOxKlxa.jpg).",
"Oh. Thanks!",
"Also a great front operation.\n\nHigh cash business, with stock that just die, you sell a brick and write the profit down on those rare carp you \"sold\".\n\n",
"Liberals get defensive when it they are wrong too! Hahahahahahaha.\n",
"Money can be exchanged for goods and services.",
"K.. well I simply said \"ummm who cares?\" You could have just responded with an \"I do\" edit: I wasn't talking directly to you telling YOU to adapt to new climate but maybe the people it effects...",
"Into another environment?",
"Does this mean you believe in science now? ",
"There are crypto currency exchanges online that just deposit money in your account.",
">I had to go back and read my own comments because you keep replying to things I havent said. Do you just imagine alternative meanings to comments and then reply to what you imagined? No where have I said the graph is misleading. No where have I said it's wrong or factually inaccurate in any way. I have said the exact opposite multiple times now. Please, read what I am saying and not some alternative bullshit you thought I was saying in code or something.\n\nPerhaps you should go back and read my comments too, because you keep replying to claims that I haven't made.\n\nNowhere have I said that you claim the graph to be misleading. Nowhere have I said that you think it's wrong or factually incorrect. Really, take a minute to go back and find where you think I said any of those things and show me in your reply, and we'll figure out who's really imagining things.\n\n>You do understand there have been many periods of warming and cooling in earths history right? You do understand there have been many ice ages right? The graph shows one. How are you just totally incapable of getting that?\n\nWhy do you seem totally incapable of getting that I understand that just fine, but that **in order to cast doubt on an excerpt for the sake of presentation because of the period of time excerpted, then you have to substantiate that doubt by using the full compendium of data.**\n\nWhy do you seem incapable of appreciating that it's possible to graph a subset of data to demonstrate one circumstance, rather than having to graph all data to demonstrate all circumstances? This graph isn't meant to positively affirm every aspect of climate change in a single picture on a website. It's meant to demonstrate that acute climate change is happening, and that it's coinciding with human greenhouse gas emissions. That's it. That's all. If you look at that picture and think \"well what happened at the end of the *last* ice age?\" then you can go find the data for that, or go make your own picture that includes a larger range of data and fewer relatable reference points from periods of human civilisation.\n\nThat does not make the graph bad. The fact that only tells part of the story is not inherently bad as long as what it does show doesn't misrepresent the full story and the circumstances claimed on the basis of the data.\n\nYou're saying that looking at this graph is the same as looking at temperature differences during summer and winter and blaming global warming for the change even though we all know that that conclusion is *not* congruent with what all of us already know and are aware of regarding seasonal temperature changes.\n\nAgain, to make it perfectly clear, what you're saying is that taking a specific excerpt of data for the sake of presentation and relatability to demonstrate particular circumstances that are in harmony with all parts of the available data whether shown or not shown, is the same as telling a bald-faced lie.\n\n>The graph doesn't contextualize changes in global temperatures in any way that properly demonstrates climate change today because it is only showing one period of warming. It doesn't show any other period. If I gave you one year of temperature changes and then drew conclusions from that would you find it meaningful? No, because you have nothing else to compare it to.\n\nThe graph perfectly contextualises the rate of change in global temperature averages within the period that human civilisation took hold on the planet, which is what it sets out to do. That's why it covers the period of the past 20,000 years, because that's what that period is. It doesn't need to show any other period, because it doesn't set out to document periods of time that people can't possibly relate to, and data from those periods of time doesn't contradict any of the claims made in the presentation.\n\n>If I gave you one year of temperature changes and then drew conclusions from that would you find it meaningful? No, because you have nothing else to compare it to.\n\nI think I see what your problem is. You're sitting here, in the real world, arguing about a real comic strip and real circumstances about the planet, and you're making real claims equating lies to things that aren't lies because for some reason despite everything dealing with the real world, you're actually arguing from a position of assuming that the graph's audience consists of people who aren't native to Earth and do not have any understanding of the planet's climate in any way.\n\nLet's take this back into the real world though: The people who read this comic know about seasonal changes in temperature. They are actual human beings from Earth who know that if you showed them one year's worth of data about global temperatures and claimed that global warming is to blame for the difference in temperature between January and June, then you're full of shit. They know this because the data is available to prove that.\n\nThese same people, those of them who aren't aware of the climate data, they're the ones that this graph is meant for. Because they aren't aware, they may not know if the past period sufficiently similar to the present period shown in the graph have identical acute temperature swings, but they can't positively state that the graph is full of shit, and if they suspect for whatever reason that it is, then they can go confirm using the wider set of data that it in fact is not full of shit.\n\nThat's why you're wrong when you say that being positively full of shit is the same as not being full of shit even if some people don't believe you without having to go through even more data to know that, no, you aren't full of shit.\n\nHopefully that settles that, because I don't really feel like having to argue with fiction.",
"ELI5, how does money work?",
"> You wouldn't think a graph with 2 points with a plenty of confounding variables is very convincing would you?\n\nIt depends on what those two data points represent, the existence of available data, and cost (or even the impossibility) of obtaining more data. A mountain (literal mountain) of ice disappeared between the two photos. without any pictures between the 1918 and 2004, one might conclude that aliens stole the glacier in 1919, or that nuclear testing was done on this spot throughout the 1950s, or some other \"unlikely\" possibility. Second, unless someone knew back in 1918 that they were expecting the ice to disappear, and wanted to take a series of photos as proof, they were just taking a nice photo and had no reason to think anything more of it. Now in 2000s someone sees the 1918 photo and wonders what that area looks like today, so they go and set up the same shot. They can't time-travel to fill in the gaps between 1918 and 2004, and it might be expensive and/or time-consuming for whoever took the photo to go to this location. They went when they could, and that didn't happen to be in January 2004, or if they thought about it after January 2004, they didn't wait until January 2005. And here's the important part, they bloody well didn't have to, because a mountain of ice doesn't disappear or reappear over 6 months. If you need a 3rd data point, go there this January and take that same picture. If you find that the ice has magically returned to anything resembling its 1918 state, you'll make a fortune from your discovery (climate change deniers would pay a small fortune just for the picture \"debunking\" the 2004 one). Of course, your new data point still wouldn't have ruled out the possibility that aliens were just borrowing the glacier and returned it last December.\n\nWe really can't conclude anything without continuous video from 1918 until now. /s\n\nThe sad thing is, I haven't run out of arguments for why this is convincing (e.g., these pictures don't represent 2 isolated data points, but are data points within a large set of climate-change-supporting data), but I can't shake the feeling that I'm just feeding the trolls.",
"Think more about how you might have bought at $.25 and then saw “it’s got parity with the dollar! Woohoo!” And sold because it was never going to be more valuable. Or sold when it hit 100 and then dropped by half. Or sold when it hit 1000 and then dropped below 300 and stayed there for months. Sure, maybe you would have hodled, but more likely you would have sold out long before it got to its current price. ",
"Jesus christ. I'm not casting doubt on any of it. Your reading comprehension is shit apparently. \n\n\n>These same people, those of them who aren't aware of the climate data, they're the ones that this graph is meant for. Because they aren't aware, they may not know if the past period sufficiently similar to the present period shown in the graph have identical acute temperature swings, but they can't positively state that the graph is full of shit, and if they suspect for whatever reason that it is, then they can go confirm using the wider set of data that it in fact is not full of shit.\n\n\nThank you. Thats the whole bloody point. They have to go look at other data that isn't present to make any meaningful determination. Why didn't you get that in the very first comment where I said that? At least you finally admit and agree with what I was saying. ",
"Blackjack and hookers",
"Lol at the motor boat helping melt the ice.",
"\"Winter and summer\" \nFTFY",
"Where did I say that?",
"Never been to a glacier have you.. \n\n[This](http://www.acclimatise.uk.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Perito_Moreno_Glacier_Patagonia_Argentina_Luca_Galuzzi_2005-790x500.jpg) is a +50 Ft wall of ice that is the end of the glacier.\n\nThat picture is during Summer in Patagonia. There is a glacier there year round. The length is dependent on year round temperatures and how warm it actually gets during the summer, This is why many glaciers have seen an impressive recession over the last hundred years.\n\nHaving been on glaciers in Patagonia as well as Alaska I can tell you first hand how massive these are and how ill informed you sound. ",
"You replied twice, I answered the other one.",
"Definative proof that boat change exists!\n\n",
"Thanks Homer",
"The silver lining here is that you can finally see those mountains!",
"Winter 1918 vs. Summer 2004?",
">Jesus christ. I'm not casting doubt on any of it. Your reading comprehension is shit apparently. \n\nI've said like three times that I understand that you're not casting doubt on it. I asked you to go through and demonstrate where you thought I said that you were casting doubt on it, but you decided not to, for whatever reason. I think I'm done with you and this whole thing about reading comprehension.\n\n>Thank you. Thats the whole bloody point. They have to go look at other data that isn't present to make any meaningful determination. Why didn't you get that in the very first comment where I said that? At least you finally admit and agree with what I was saying. \n\nHow can you miss the point so thoroughly? How can you be so tunnel-focused that when I try to put into context why it is that I disagree with you, you pick out the context and think it's an admission or a change of mind, and completely ignore the *actual point of disagreement*?\n\nYou said that telling a lie is the same as truthfully addressing a subset of data. That's the contention. That's where you're full of shit.",
"I completely understand you're point and agree with it. My main point was that i put my trust in the people that have actually done research and put effort into finding a cause and have proof or some experiments that back up their claim, rather than these people that see something and think they know what they are talking about just because what the facts say don't make sense to them. Kind of like people STILL thinking the world is flat. There is plenty of proof its not, but because they don't understand the proof they are given, they believe they're own version of the truth without doing any work to try to understand either side and just blurt out \"ice moves\" and call it a day. ",
">You said that telling a lie is the same as truthfully addressing a subset of data. That's the contention. That's where you're full of shit.\n\nNo where did I say anything of the sort. ",
"I've cited it about three times now, your own words. I'm not going back and doing it again.",
"Wow, what an advancement in marine vehicle technology",
"I went out to find out for myself (like I was 5)... I'm really excited about the prospect of going to a website called Bittylicious to have a currency exchange brokered. That totally sounds like the kind of place I'd entrust to handle my hundreds of thousands of cash value.\n\nedit: if i had hundreds of thousands of dollars in cryptocurrency... which I don't... unless you have access to hookers and blackjack tables, then maybe I do...",
"Well it's closer to now that 1918 was",
"Right... You made a new comment instead of replying to the other one",
"Yes, you've cited what I said and insisted that it meant something I didn't ever once say. I don't know why you continually think that I'm speaking in code or something. ",
"We agree on that. I'm not sure where we don't agree tbh. Do you mean the season comparison is irrelevant because it is what it is, barely any difference?",
"This is a decent idea of what it looks like now https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/norway-svalbard-islands-spitsbergen-island-picture-id578016396?k=6&m=578016396&s=612x612&w=0&h=Nhe0R3ol222rvds4Ke48KkfeOWcfm6b2p-wC7DMZKCw=",
"amazing",
"The mountains are obviously not glaciated so that's just regular snowfall.",
"the person you're responding to wasn't arguing; they were agreeing.\n\nIf they had added \"Yeah, and\" to the beginning of their post it may have made that more obvious. Or changed the wording from \"do you\" to \"does anyone\" maybe.",
"I did as much googling as I could, and I could only find examples of those techniques being used going back to the '40s or so. \n\nHowever, my point wasn't that a photo wouldn't be touched up, it was that any photographer would prefer to take a shot when it's bright out, rather than start with a dark shot and brighten it afterwards. Why would someone set up a photoshoot in the middle of the winter to look at a glacier and brighten it so it looks like daylight rather than just go 6 months later when it's bright and warmer out?",
"If you had 20 Bitcoins you could have bought a [brand new McLaren](http://www.thedrive.com/news/17035/mclaren-720s-seller-will-only-accept-bitcoin-as-form-of-payment)",
"Just die",
"Check out the Scientific American link I just posted - it explains the history of climate change deniers using a one-page story published in 1977 in a non-technical publication to promote the idea that climate scientists are confused and waffling. \n\nIf you say you don't believe in man-made climate change, you're either a liar or a dumb fuck, there's pretty much no other option. It may be reasonable to have a difference of opinion regarding how we should deal with the problem, but to promote the idea that we are not the primary cause of climate change and that scientists have significant disagreements over the validity of the theory is just fucking stupid. ",
"And what you see in the foreground is not obviously a glacier to everyone, hence all the questions. The other pictures make it very obvious what you are looking at.\n",
"I just dont understand the fear people have of globalism? ",
"[This is a similar perspective taken in September of 2015, doesn't seem like it takes thousands of years to me...](https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/norway-svalbard-islands-spitsbergen-island-picture-id578016396?k=6&m=578016396&s=612x612&w=0&h=Nhe0R3ol222rvds4Ke48KkfeOWcfm6b2p-wC7DMZKCw=)",
"High school vs College",
"What is this, License to Kill?",
"Nope",
"Yeah, that the half an inch seasonal melt which is generally undone from winters is irrelevant.",
"On that, I agree. For me, it's just not a good enough comparison for those who are both in denial and have lesser knowledge on these things. For everyone else, it's good enough. ",
"Tell them about previous [Hyperthermal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum) events in Earth's history. Periods of extreme warming following significant carbon emission into the atmosphere (see the article for possible causes).\n\n>Model simulations of peak carbon addition to the ocean–atmosphere system during the PETM give a probable range of 0.3–1.7 Pg C/yr, which is much slower than the currently observed rate of carbon emissions.\n\n>However, the amount of released carbon, according to a recent study, suggest a modest 0.2 gigatonnes a year (at peaks 0.58 gigatonnes), humans today add about 10 gigatonnes a year\n\n[Global emissions in 2015 was 36 Pg C *alone*.\n](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions)\n\nNot only did hyperthermal events cause mass extinctions and [literally shrink animals due to less oxygen](http://www.ns.umich.edu/new/releases/21789-global-warming-led-to-dwarfism-in-mammals-twice), it also caused feedback loops that increased the amount of carbon being emitted.\n\nThe first Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM-1), the most extreme warming period until now, saw an increase of maximum 8^o C over 200,000 years. Or 0.00004^o C/yr. [Current rates](https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/decadaltemp.php) have us at a *minimum* of 0.015^o C/yr, or 37.5 times the rate of warming than the last, most extreme warming period in the Earth's history.\n\nClimate change can be a natural process for the Earth but what's happening now is far from the norm, it's extremely obvious that the huge increase in carbon emissions is causing warming at an unprecedented level. If previous warming periods are anything to go off of this can have extreme consequences.",
"What single study are you referencing? There's definitely been more than one to say climate change is real",
"We just unlocked a new area!",
"Again, that wouldn't disappear over 100 years. The post is B.S. and it's extremely misleading. Global warming is real, we don't need to make up crap to try and get people to believe.",
"Where in the hell did this narrative come from, my dad says the same thing about it being a cycle and gives no information other than its all bullshit to combat the argument",
"https://i.imgur.com/HoYp1cA.gif",
"Holy shit. It's worse than I thought. The axis of the earth also shifted in the past 100 years and the sun used to rise so far north of the arctic circle in January. ",
"Those kind of picture are so misleading. Chance is that the old one was taken after a record ice/snow layer, in winter, while the bottom one is taken in summer...",
"Way too underrated comment, considering the others don't mention the ice and only joke about boats and colors.",
"Cool!",
"I mean, it's fairly obvious it's either an iceberg or a glacier, not much else it could be, and considering an iceberg is just a piece of a glacier that's broken off it's kind of the same thing.",
"The \"97% of scientists agree\" study.",
"Na.. Glaciers are receding around the world and have been exponentially since the 1800s. Also the water would be frozen if it was winter.",
"If you notice the boat is now equipped with an o zone layer depleting machine",
"He states he is \"heavily invested in bitcoin and is currently mining on 5 different computers\" I don't know much about bitcoin, but I was under the impression everyday Jo's like us don't benefit from mining anymore? Please, again, I don't know much. I could google it but I fear once I go down that road, I'll get sucked in and just don't want to start.",
"No. A PhD in food science and a food law degree. Not a PhD in law.",
"\"Fewer.\" --Davos",
"PhD in science. \n\nAnd a law degree. Like I said, he's very educated.",
"I know he should. But he's old and set in his ways.",
"How in the hell is that not obvious?",
"I hear ya. It happens to all of us. If anything, it's good to know what your dad thinks. He's a barometer for his cohort. Plus he's your dad. 👍🏼",
"You said month of the year doesn’t matter when trying to understand changes in the size of glaciers.",
"It's not gaining the right kind of ice. There are a few documentaries that explain this, but basically the ice is superficial and the drones scientists are launching underneath Antarctica, are going to find out exactly how bad it is. ",
"I’m not a native English speaker, but isn’t fewer used in a context where one is reffering to a countable amount of stuff? Have fun counting the colors in a photo.",
"Because people do know what is happening. They study this on a daily basis. Ice core samples tell us how cold/warm it was back then. ",
"We gained a gas motor and lost ice; fitting.",
"Dude. I have some friends with PhDs who have no business having one. They've explained their dissertations to me and they make no sense. It's as if they weren't paying any attention in their methods classes. That their committees passed them doesn't reflect well on my old department. Some of these people went on to become government officials for god's sake. Yikes, haha!",
"Whhhhhaaaaaaaatttttttt!?!??!??! That's an acctual thing I thought that was the just what people said cause in all reality give or take a percent its not like 97 and 96 are all that different",
"Hoo boy. Case in point lol.",
"> Who is going to give you $145,250 in exchange for them?\n\nNo ***one*** person. There's a market now.\n\nFor comparison to a market you should be familiar with: The CEO of Intel didnt find one person to buy $24,000,000 worth of Intel stock. Likley investment groups (mutual funds, trusts, etfs) bought up a good chunck of that collectively and the rest was sold to thousands of individuals. \n\n",
"I said it was not important.\n\nYou think the would have been anything resembling a significant difference if the first picture of the two was taken in the same month as the last one? That it would have changed the perspective?",
"It's like that old joke...\n\nQ: What do you call a person who finished last place in medical school? \n\nA: Doctor. \n\nLife is funny. Life is a racket. :)",
"It's the glacier that's melted. So I guess you're not *too* far off. It was eroded from the sun? :D",
"TIL: ice disappearing in summer = magic.\n\nI used to organise and guide tours on glacier walks here in New Zealand’s Fox and Frans Joseph Glaciers on the West Coast . You’re not going to convince me of much, especially without any sources.",
"Well seems like an improvement to me... that's a gorgeous view lololol. I knew Global Warming was good for something.",
"“Global warming isn’t real.” They said “Snow melts.” They said.",
"At least they got that pesky ice out of the way for a nice Mountain View. ",
"I didn't downvote you just so you know.",
"Oh how I wish to be 14 again. ",
"Oh shit you mean ice levels change over a period of 100 years, where some increase and some decrease?\n\n\nColor me surprised ",
"Why are so many people questioning it in the comments? I know it is a glacier and obviously you do as well.\n\nAll I am trying to say is there were a large number of pictures to choose from for this exact glacier (if you happened to look at the link I posted), and this is the least obvious one out of the bunch.\n\nLook at it this way, if you were writing a scientific paper about this glacier and how far it had retreated in 100 years and you had to pick one image to show how much it changed. Would you use this image to support your data, or would you pick one of the other ones that actually show an aerial view.\n\n",
"You're being sarcastic right? This is picture is showing how global warming over time has slowly melted the ice glaciers. ",
"Sad",
"All these complaints about so called 'third-degree-burns'. Folks seem to forget that people create their own body heat and have done their *entire* lives. There's no reason to believe that these supposed burns have anything to do with me so-called \"setting you on fire\" and this whole thing is just a scam to get me to pay for your medical bills. ",
"Is this a picture of the Great lakes?? You know, the big huge lakes that were dug out by glaciers?? \n\nYea... That guy is almost to Chicago, I know this area. Could you imagine how much co2 it took to melt all that ice over Chicago?? Wow!!! Maybe if we can't get levels down to 0ppm soon, we could cover that shit hole of a town back up??? \n\n\n\n",
"Don't bring facts to a feelings debate. They have no power here!!!\n\n\n\n",
"They didn’t even have color back then. Everything was black and white. ",
"I will mortgage my house and give you $12,000 each! \n\nTo answer your question. People buy and sell BTC all day through Online exhances like www.gdax.com (the biggest in the USA) \n\nOver $18 Billion Dollars of BTC has been traded within the past 24 hours. \n\nhttps://coinmarketcap.com/\n\n",
"I love all the new land! It's so beautiful! Can't believe all that ice was hiding it before. Definitely increased the property value! ",
"We’re gonna die",
"Glaciers don’t melt in the summer. They’ve been frozen for thousands of years.",
"I know you’re being sarcastic, but for everyone’s benefit, here’s the explanation for this dumbass argument.\n\nWhen icecaps melt, the act of melting draws heat away from the air, which makes the air cold. That cold air then gets blown around by currents. So the warmer the planet gets, the more the icecaps melt. The more the icecaps melt, the more cold air gets blown around in winter. That’s why we have been getting these terrible winters and “polar vortex” conditions the past several years.\n\nBut guess what. Once the caps are done melting, we won’t be getting any more cold winters. Then shit is really gonna get real, but by then it’ll be too late.",
"Phantom of the opera too",
"Multiple people will buy fractions of it very quickly on an exchange - at the market value.",
"I actually do have a degree in biology so I'll happily add my voice to the consensus and say: no, global warming is not a good thing. The fact that you don't understand the science is not an excuse to disagree with it. ",
"Fun fact I have somewhere around 19 BTC sitting in the dump somewhere!\n\nAt the time, it felt like throwing away a $20 gift card to Red lobster, and the closest red lobster is the city over. It was hard to spend, and didn't mean much to me.",
"In a basic sense....yeah that’s how it works. \n\nHere’s a safe, at home experiment:\n\nGo get a glass and fill it with ice and water(your sea ice). Now wait for the ice to melt. The level of water remains the same. You will notice how some of the water evaporates and forms condensation on the outside of the glass(clouds). The water level in the glass never rises\n\nNow take a second glass and fill it with ice(land ice) and wait for it to melt, Pour into glass and watch water spill over the top. \n\nI learned that watching Mr. Wizard in the 80’s. ",
"you can use a place like spectrocoin and have it converted to basically a prepaid credit card which you can use for all your online transactions like a regular credit card",
"Do please tell us about the kind you see more of in July.",
"Wow, you’re a dimwit.",
"hoax.",
"There are negative consequences of atmospheric warming, but there are positive consequences as well. How you choose to interpret it is solely a political excercise. ",
"and you are a skankin zombie.",
"Wow. I'd love to see more pics like this",
"Don't know why you're being down voted. You're exactly correct. ",
"Glacial vs sea ice. The ones that freeze and thaw annually is the sea ice. Glacial ice is the slow flow of ice that breaks off. \n\nThis type of ice does not recede dramatically through the year but shows significant recession over the course of many years.\n\nSo yes, different types of ice. ",
"Thank god, now we don't have to scale that huge wall of ice to get to the oil underneath! ",
"Oh I love this argument, let me ask to anyone who thinks this is a part of the cycle of earth. What causes that cycle from ice ages to no ice? \n\nSimply put carbon dioxide has been pumped into the atmosphere by volcanos over millions of years. The CO2 that causes the climate to warm is used by plants to grow to massive size and produce oxygen which causes the extreme sizes of insects and other arthropods in these periods. \n\n CO2 being sent into the atmosphere is both from natural and man made causes. The shift is growing everyday from natural sources to man made. ",
"It's really not. The GOP as a whole has done a complete 180 on climate change since the early 2010's. ",
"Ask him what causes these cycles. \n\nHint: it's CO2",
"https://www.historicalclimatology.com/uploads/4/5/1/4/4514421/626069_orig.png",
"Source please?",
"What causes these cycles?",
"The ice is becoming thicker but it is losing is diameter ",
"Ask him what causes the cycles. \n\nHint: it's CO2",
"There is no optimum tempture of Earth. There is only optimum tempture for us. ",
"Yeah no",
"What site is this? ",
"https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/moderator-toolbox-for-red/jhjpjhhkcbkmgdkahnckfboefnkgghpo?hl=en",
"I don’t know if there would have been a significant difference. I’m just saying that a better, more accurate comparison would be to have the pics taken during the same month ",
"The Earth is not paper. It is not even remotely close to burning paper. It's more like burning sandstone with a tiny hot breath on a windy day.\n\nYou think the smoke from exhaust just kinda stays up in the sky?\n\nIt settles.\n\nDo you think the atmosphere is covered in soot? It is not a physical object. It's a function of events that cause a barrier of sorts by accident.\n\nStop listening to fear mongering media telling you that you're doomed and it is your fault. That's how they get donations from you for something they can do nothing about.\n\nVery much like religion and offering plates.",
"Your Wikipedia article doesn't even call Hermaphrodites a gender! Nor does the Hijra article. In fact the Hijra article actually says most people DON'T CONSIDER it a gender and there are some groups fighting to have it declared a third gender!\n\n\"Since the late 20th century, some hijra activists and Western non-government organizations (NGOs) have lobbied for official recognition of the hijra as a kind of \"third sex\" or \"third gender\", as neither man nor woman.\"\n\nThat is a direct quote from the Hijra article.\n\nThis is how you choose to challenge my statement? Your Pew research link actually proves YOU wrong as it proves that not every person who believes in climate change is a liberal and not every person who denies climate change is a conservative. You might have a good argument if you said 'most', but you didn't. You'd be disqualified from a debate very quickly.",
"Thanks.",
"Since you don't have a source, keep on shilling for Trump and the oil companies. ",
"Imagine the view in 1818.",
"This makes me want to cry. my how much has changed both for the better and worse, but man has the environment taken a huge hit.",
"Yes! Of course re: sarcasm. I see that comment on Facebook on a regular basis. Makes me cringe every time. :/ ",
"Yes re: sarcasm. I see that comment on Facebook on a regular basis. Makes me cringe every time. :/ ",
"I like it better in the summer.",
"Boats have come so far",
"Interesting selective use of your brain.\n\n1. What exactly would you call a person with a penis and boobs?\n\n2. The Pew research clearly shows that **many** more republicans disagree with the established science than democrats. \n\n\n>as it proves that not every person who believes in climate change is a liberal and not every person who denies climate change is a conservative.\n\nThis is why it's a waste of time trying to talk sense into a conservative or republican. Obviously, willfully obtuse. Willfully ignorant.\n\nMaybe you should look at the survey again. It clearly says that republicans are **far more likely** to deny science on climate change than democrats..\n\n\nBut, no one can force you not to be ignorant. \n\n\nGood Day, denier of reality\n\n",
"maybe it was just winter in the 2nd picture\n",
"huh huh\n\nshowes wat yu no\n\nmi ice in freezr is mayde in ownly hourss\n\nfreezr still werk, so al gore is wrong!\n\n",
"**Fun Fact:**\n\nToday there are nearly 200,000 glaciers on Earth. They have a volume of nearly 106,000 miles cubed, and cover an area of about 453,000 miles squared. \n\nIn 1882 there were nearly 200,000 glaciers on Earth. They had a volume of nearly 106,000 miles cubed, and covered an area of about 453,000 miles squared.\n",
"1. Does it have a Y chromosome or just Xs? My answer would match accordingly. We can take it straight down to the dictionary. A male is a person bearing both an X and Y chromosome and a female is a person bearing only X chromosomes.\n\nI'm not being willfully ignorant I'm standing by my original statement. You said ALL and I gave you the opportunity to back down from all, you could have said many, most, or almost all, but instead you doubled down and now look like an idiot. ",
"Whoooah! Duuuude! \n",
"Do you understand how stocks work? Bitcoin has turned from a currency into a stock, and is traded as such. \n\nTo me this question looks like this:\n\n>Can you sell a stock for money? Who is going to buy them from you? Do you just go to a marketplace that accepts them?\n\nOf course not, **because the stock itself is being bought and sold, but is not the currency**. Sadly bitcoin has turned from a currency into a stock.",
"I wasn’t aware of that. That would make more sense to me. As far as I knew it was just an unregulated-ish currency",
"The 1918 picture is taken a few years after the small ice age ended too, which is important to remember",
"[14 hours now](https://i.imgur.com/EcZY0IZ.gifv)",
"[Ice tends to melt at the end of an ice age](https://www.amnh.org/ology/features/askascientist/question06.php).",
"If it makes you feel any better there was once one cam model who was perfectly, exactly my precise mix of 'god tier' attractiveness and I bumbled into her stream one lonely night after newly being employed with a much higher wage than my previous job... she only accepted bitcoins as tips and I was sooo tempted to buy some to get a private show; in the end, because I was drunk-- I did buy some bitcoin but got my jollies from others tipping smaller amounts and getting a good show and lost any sort of link to the ~30 bitcoin account/wallet/thing because my dumb ass didn't write down anything relating to the event. \n\nMost expensive fap ever. ",
"I call bullshit. Antarctica was largely unexplored at that time so there would not be an accurate assessment. Antartica contains 70% of the worlds fresh water.",
"Color photography is causing global warming.\nBring back black and white photography and save the planet.",
"Global climate changes always happened in the past, same as the whole planet used to be snowy it also used to be tropical",
"> The Earth is not paper. It is not even remotely close to burning paper. It's more like burning sandstone with a tiny hot breath on a windy day.\n\nWhat? I don't even understand what you're trying to say here.\n\n> You think the smoke from exhaust just kinda stays up in the sky?\n\n> It settles.\n\n> Do you think the atmosphere is covered in soot? It's a function of events that cause a barrier of sorts by accident.\n\nNot only that last sentence («It's a function of events that cause a barrier of sorts by accident.») doesn't even make sense, but the rest of it has got to be the most outstandingly naive description of atmospheric pollution I have ever read. It manages to show a complete lack of knowledge about the nature of the pollution as well as of the mechanisms and timescales at which it interacts with the atmosphere —which BTW it's a very physical object, except that it's gaseous, not solid (you know, like the oceans are liquid); and no, it's not covered in soot, but then again soot hasn't really been a big worry —at least in the so-called Western world— for nearly a century now.\n\n“It settles” is particularly funny. That's actually mostly true: most of the heavier part of pollution does settle. Over the course of several years. If you don't keep pumping more into the atmosphere. And in the mean time you get nifty effects like nearly 1/3rd of the air pollution in San Francisco coming —airborne— from China.\n\n> Stop listening to fear mongering media telling you that you're doomed and it is your fault. That's how they get donations from you for something they can do nothing about.\n\n> Very much like religion and offering plates.\n\nIf the point you're trying to make is that there's people set out to profiteer from countering the human influence of climate change, I have no objections. There's people set out to profiteer from everything, and that makes no exception.\n\nBut if your argument is that because of that humans don't have an influence on climate —which is a fallacy— then I'm sorry, but I'm part of the cabal: studying geosciences does tend to give you a different —more knowledgeable, I would say— perspective on things.",
"But not important.",
"Ok, because you say so.",
"No. Not because I say so.\n\nBecause the difference over a season is fucking indistinguishable in comparison to the difference over several decades.\n\nStop being petulant and accept when you are wrong.",
"Show me a photo of the place now and again in July and then I’ll accept your argument. You haven’t provided anything support your argument other than emotional words. ",
"So you think glaciers can move back and forth several hundred meters over a year due to the changing of seasons?",
"21 hours and still waiting...",
"Something something Paul Newman.",
"Huh. I know the difference between weather and climate and understand what’s happening with climate change, but I’ve never seen the explanation for these polar vortex winters. Thanks!",
"\"Countable\" is a decent rule of thumb, but the better way to think of it is to use \"less\" when it's a singular noun.\n\n* Less music\n\n* Fewer musicians",
"I think glaciers are made of ice and compacted snow. I think that snow and ice melt in warmer months.",
"That's because it is. That wall is probably a good 100 feet tall at least but it looks significantly higher because of the distance to the mountain peaks and how much closer the ice is to the camera.\n\nThat shit isn't 1000 feet tall up to the mountains, it's like 200 at the most.",
"I can't speak for most of the miners today but I have my gaming desktop set up to mine through out the day while I'm at work. But not Bitcoin, any Altcoin (alternative coin) like Ethereum, Monero, Zcash or any of the other hundreds. Currently I'm making somewhere around $30-40 US a week putting my desktop to work when I don't use it to game.\n\nBitcoin miners now buy specially made ASIC miners designed specifically for BTC that make high end GPUs look like nothing.",
"On the internet, we can be anyone....",
"> On the internet, we can be anyone....\n\nYou _do_ play the unculture naive rather well.",
"Nobody said it was, that's the difference.",
"The comparison is there and graph is specifically for (if you read the graph you would know this) when people say \"The climate has changed before\".\n\nIts show the climate change slowly over time and eventually steadied out, but then at the end in the last section you see the Temp change spike like nothing seen before. Noticeably right after the industrial revolution when we started pumping CO2 in the air like never before.\n\nSo yeah, it's not terrible, it specific and on point.",
"No, there is no comparison there. The entire graph shows 1 period of warming. Not sure why it's so difficult for people to understand that.\n\n\n\nImagine turning your thermostat up, then down, then up, then down, etc... This graph would be equivalent to showing the temperature change starting at the lowest point you set it at and up to the highest point you set it at. It does not show any other time that you changed the temperature. It shows half of one cycle. \n\n\nOf course the end looks extreme. You're \"comparing\" it to a time in the past when it was supposed to be colder. You can't actually understand how extreme that change is without looking at other periods of warming. How hard is it to understand what \"other periods of warming\" are? ",
"Woah... Amazing. \nwondering how beautiful this place will be in 2018.!!!"
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"What breed is your dog? Beautiful coat!",
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"My dude",
"It was like 30 today though. Practically summer compared to last week",
"That’s true, I took this pic on one of those negative days last week... crazy how quickly the weather changes nowadays "
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"Looks like something urban outfitters would charge me $300 for ",
"Do \"Crocs\" inhabit the well?",
"It’s beautiful. Looks like my first flats that I wore the shit out of until the smell like a hippie shit them out after eating a fuck ton of kale and acid.",
"Well, well, well. ",
"\"We also found this VHS tape, Let's take a look.\"",
"Brand name: Victoria",
"The romans had billboards and ads for peoples goods along major thoroughfares. They were a lot like us minus the silicon technology ",
"Payless still sells those",
"They even had inbred leaders like us. ",
"Looks pretty stylish TBH, I'd still wear it",
"That new yeezy",
"Shit, I can't even get good dress shoes to last a year. ",
"Romans invented Crocs?",
"What size is that bitch?",
"I noted the \"Croc\" jokes above, which made me chuckle (ever so slightly). \n\nBut... \n\nif you really look at the photo... at the intricate details, and zoom in... the artistry and craft and details that went into the making of that shoe is seriously impressive (and astonishing to think it was over 2000 years ago). \n",
"Air Aurelius retro 3's",
"this is where shoe inspiration originated from",
"If they last more than 2000 years they might be worth it.",
"I didn't know they had bowling in 18 AD.",
"They have them at Nordstrom Rack for $120",
"Plaque reads \"Shoes with perforated top leather and studded ~~running soles~~ outsoles\", so basically stylish track shoes from 2000 years ago.",
"That’s a way better shoe then I’d of imagined them having ",
"They still make these every day in india. ",
"2,000 years later and some Roman's sole still roams the earth.",
"Hipsters would love those!",
"Some roman kid probably beat up the owner and threw this shoe down the well just to be a bully. That kid's mom probably beat his ass for losing a shoe too.",
"*schuhe mit durchbrochenem oberleder und benagelten laufsohlen* google translates to : **shoes with openwork leather and nailed soles**",
"Yeezys",
"[repost](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4s5q6c/roman_shoe_found_in_a_well_saalburg_2000yearsold/) you even used the same angled picture just smaller !",
"Unfortunately, the google is wrong.\n\n",
"Thats gonna be neymars new football shoes.",
"And you can probably get knock-offs at Payless for about $30, max.",
"Definitely. Ancient Rome had style!",
"Do they have any with a swoosh?",
"r/wellworn",
"Sort of reminds me of a Croc?",
" The new Air Caesar IV, available now at Foot Coliseum.",
"I thought Payless went bankrupt",
"Looks comfortable. ",
"My mom has this",
"*7 days*",
"Those look like Air Hercs to me",
"Yes that's all nice and dandy, but did the owner survive?",
"\"When in Rome...\"",
"And most other countries.",
"*No, Colonel Sanders, you're wrong. Mama's right.*",
"Huh. The concept of too narrow toe boxes is that old?\n\nNo, really. You can clearly see where the leather split from inside pressure and had to be repaired. Pro tip: The shoe is supposed to conform to the foot, not the other way around.\n\n/rant",
"Fuckin nice bit of footwear. Kudos, empire.",
"*THE MEDULLA OB-LON-GATA!*\n\nhttps://youtu.be/cu7A8LIzL1o",
"[you](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ansq0OAPjsk)",
"r/sneakers",
"What are thooose?",
"Even down to drawing dicks on walls and lewd graffiti. ",
"He lost his shoes, so no. ",
"Because of these type of leather shoes people used to walk differently using the ball of the feet more. Never really thought about it until I watched this video but it makes sense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EszwYNvvCjQ",
"Way earlier. In fact some of the balls are still in circulation to this day. ",
"What kind of lots you gotta draw to get a pair of *these* babies?\n\n...I'll show myself out.",
"Only one shoe",
"Those are timeless italian classics!",
"It is beautiful, but I would image people 2000 years ago had a lot more in the way of hand craft skills than the average person today",
"That's what happens when you sell $120 shoes for $30.",
"Oxfords not brogues",
"They acted when their government got outta hand though :(",
"No doubt this Roman was a ballerina!",
"A well?\n",
"I expected Romans to be more of a socks and sandals types.",
"I'd wear that.",
"Yep. His name is Keanu Reeves and he's immortal. Possibly a vampire.",
"Oxfords never brogues. ",
"I literally just left that comment. High five! ",
"I think that style was laughed at even back then.\n",
"[this shoe is 5,500 years old](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areni-1_shoe#/media/File:Chalcolithic_leather_shoe_from_Areni-1_cave.jpg)",
"I'd pay $300 for that actual shoe.",
"Laser cut? ",
"What’s that Lassie? Aphrodite is stuck in a well?\nSeriously though. I think I solved it..... https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Napoli_BW_2013-05-16_16-32-51_DxO.jpg#mw-jump-to-license",
"Interesting video, thanks!",
"!remindme 7 days",
"You could say it was well made?",
"Wonder why it went down a well. Was that what you did in those days? Aw, my shoes are looking a bit past it - best throw it down the well.\n\nI guess wells once they stopped being used, were often used as rubbish dumps. Chuck it down the well, problem solved. Not much idea of preserving ground water purity.",
"Just well kept.",
"/r/buyitforlife\n",
"I came close to PMing you my boobs before I realized it said \"BOBS\". I don't have any Bobs, sorry.",
"Sounds like u neither have a vagene :(",
"r/buyitfortheafterlife",
"> I’d of\n\nI'd _have_",
"I am going to walk this way from now on.",
"Air Jupiter 1's ",
"Well well well ",
"You and the comment above are meant for each other. Start your life together you crazy kids! <3 ",
"Why would it be astonishing? 2000 years isn't a long time. Look at what the Greeks and Egyptians have been song. Take a look at knossos. Romans had a complex industrial empire. ",
"Nothing like a stylish ORGY amirite ",
"In a well? Poor Timotheus.",
"All's well that ends well",
"Dat the new Yeezy?",
"Anybody know what kind of Roman citizen would have worn these? Would it have been wealthy upper classes or would the average citizen?",
"It was Achilles",
"Wow, that shoe looks rather *well preserved.*",
"r/watchpeopledie is leaking",
"Not as impressive as the giant Viking turd found in York\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lloyds_Bank_coprolite?wprov=sfla1",
"You auhr sayeeng you auhr a bahwl waulkuh?",
"Yeah, shoes tend to be a big part of human technology.",
"\"I'd of\" sounds like \"idiot\" in a a really weird African accent.",
"It still just feels surprising they were pulling off such intricate beautiful designs for something that was functional. It makes me wonder how much effort went into making them and how many they made in their lives.",
"I never get tired of seeing comments like this. Thanks ",
"Elagabalus. ",
"\"The Romans did not have video-tapes. It's made of plastic.\"",
"That looks expensive for even today . . . owner must've owned many salves :3",
"RIP Bahwl Waulkuh. He was great in Fast and Furious",
"Alternatively: I would've",
"You corrected that but not then/than?\n\nIf you're gonna do it, do be half arsed about it",
"Do you make shoes for a living or something? ",
"I dyed because of this comment.",
"Just For Feetius? Academius? Kraken Pro Shop?\n\nNow I want The Flintstones but set in ancient Rome.",
"us",
"Air Caesars.",
"I want you to know I nearly choked laughing at this. ",
"TIL there's a piece of viking doodoo that's probably worth more than I am.",
"/r/buyitforlife",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"'Et tu, Ivanka?'",
"Exited bankruptcy in August and profiting since. I work for them.",
"Ancient Egyptian shoes\n\nhttp://anthropology.msu.edu/anp455-fs14/files/2014/10/Ancient-Egyptian-Sandals1.jpg",
"But does this idiot know de wey?",
"what color",
"I think i recall this guy being called out as a bullshitter last time it was posted.",
"Fun fact: they aren't knock offs \n\nAs part of the bankruptcy over the summer alot of the companies financial deals ended up being disclosed. The Steve Madden \"knockoffs\" we sell are officially licensed and designed for Payless for $70 million a year. Part of the deal is that Payless can't use the \"Steve Madden\" brand in any form of marketing, which I imagine is so people don't know you can buy a near identical version of the same shoe (only difference is a charm on the back and they don't say Steve Madden on them) for $19.99 or the version that says Steve Madden for over $100.",
"Lassius, delere meum orbem rigidum! ",
"Dude they don't have nails pointing downward like soccer shoes, the sole is nailed onto the shoe. Also \"Laufsohlen \" can just be a fancy word for \"Schuhsohlen \" so the dont necessarily translate into running shoes just.. \n\nThese shoes are made for walking and not sitting at home all day and getting served by someone. Shoes for walking opposed to just chillin'\nThe Google isn't that wrong.\n\n\n\n\n",
"):",
"Yeezuz meet AirJesus ",
"He was being kind, and leaving karma for someone else to pick up.",
"Early man Crocs",
"Shoe as the Roman's shoe?",
"Why astonishing, do you think people were less capable once? I often wonder if sometimes peop,e think we are more clever today. ",
"I just cant imagine how much technology was lost from the fall the roman empire. I mean just look at their fuckn shoes! They has aquaducts and coliseums and shit. ",
"Damn them shits kinda hard lowkey 👀",
"What's that from ? ",
"I like how in 2000 years shoes look exactly the same",
"Have you tried keeping them in a well? ",
"\"That Mitchell and Webb look\", check it out, they are great.",
"The world did not surpass Rome’s peak mining output until the industrial revolution. Rome was fucking huge!",
"Would cop GRAILS 10/10",
"I really doubt there was anyone 2000 years ago that beat Halo 2 solo on Legendary. ",
"What an arch wit you are. ",
"Look at that shit breathe. Adidas take note.",
"and looks like a literal potato compared to the 2,000 year old one ahahah. ",
"bread and circuits",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"And he's feeling squeezed.",
"That’s what I came to say. Somebody make one from comfortable materials and take my money pls ",
"Unexpected /r/mountandblade voice",
"Only wish an actual shoemaker would chime in to give us some actual insight. \nI’ll keep looking ...",
"is that taken at vindolanda op?",
"Lol. Payless' shoes fall apart during he first use. \n\nI'm glad they're out of business.",
"And yeeeezy was born ",
"lol",
"WHAT ARE THOSE ???",
"Definitely wouldn't be from uraban outfitters then.",
"Taken to hell by a long haired girl. Instructions unclear.",
"):",
"And it did end in a well",
"Boost is off.. fake af",
"What? These just the New Yeezy Boosts y'all...",
"Wow that is nicer and looks much more durable than modern shoes.. 2000 years?!",
"That video is super sketchy; that guy (who AFAIK is a hobbyist in historical sword-fighting, not an academic historian, nor someone who has any support from academic historians on this issue) bases his theory entirely on a stylistic trend in medieval art. This is like claiming ancient Egyptians went around with their necks at 90 degrees all the time because of *their* style of representing people in art.\n\nThat guy's theories aren't born out by *any* of the myriad cultures where people have always gone barefoot, and still do (any of dozens of African, SE Asian, South American, Polynesian, PNG, Australian Aboriginal, etc cultures). Or by human physiology; our feet wwould look totally different if, like he claims, we'd spent our millions of shoeless years walking in the weird, unnatural, cotrived way he describes.\n\nThose pictures show a trend in art style- like the way those same artists drew babies as miniature adults, or drew kings as big and peasants as small. Nothing more.",
"Really? Maybe you should get your eyes checked. ",
"Listen here you little shit. ",
"And I thought the Retro Jordans were cool....",
"I’m not that near-sighted, it’s got what looks like holes in it.",
"One of these days these shoes are gonna walk all over you.",
"That's how you get Crocs.",
"Labor was very cheap in ancient Rome.",
"This is a deep subject.",
">That guy's theories aren't born out by any of the myriad cultures where people have always gone barefoot\n\nJust come to New Zealand. [Most Kiwi kids barely wear shoes](https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=new+zealand+kids+barefeet&client=firefox-b&dcr=0&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjm8J6rj83YAhXFjJQKHXDsDp8Q_AUICigB&biw=1600&bih=1106#imgrc=_) and they don't walk all pointy toed. I teach at a primary school and half the kids don't wear shoes to school (by choice, not through poverty). ",
">If you're gonna do it, **do** be half arsed about it\n\nDid you mean \"don't\"? Also, where's the full stop?",
"All in all it is well preserved ",
"Looks like those shoes have aged well. ",
"Shoes made by actual cobblers blow away the mass-produced stuff we mostly wear. Mass production is usually a trade-off between costs and quality.",
"The silicons only came along after the germaniums were overtaken by technological progress.\n",
"Tryna cop those Caesar 2’s ",
"With Achilles pump arches. ",
"Locally made, artisan, artfully crafted, long lasting - who says things improve over time! Look at the Roman shoes, now back to your shoes now look back to the Roman shoes again...you know it. ",
"Except for that one time.",
"It should be kept in museum now as an antique piece.",
"They don’t make things like they used to",
"I take you haven't visited Rome or any other old European city. Intricate and beautiful designs was in their blood, those guys had taste. ",
"This comment should be up at the top. Sadly today industry is just as, if not more, dependant on what is, essentially, slave labor. Sure they get paid, but really the amount is virtually nothing and the conditions the workers face are inhumane. It's basically modern slavery with a layer of financial reasons to allow for obfuscation of ethics by both consumer and corporation. \n\nReally very sad! ",
"They look more like brogues than crocs. ",
"They have one near me still in business",
"Your joke was well thought out. ",
"Underrated comment",
"Yeezy 350 Croc- “Roman Brown”",
"If whoever discovered it didn’t say “Oh well, look what we have here!” I’d be pretty disappointed.\n\nWell, really disappointed.",
"Definitely a potato. Or like, a mask from a horror movie.",
"THIS IS SPARTA!!! ",
"They were!\n\nhttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/taking-a-closer-look-at-an-odd-pair-of-very-very-old-socks-84123314/",
"These only last a millennium though",
"I think it has more to do with many people finding it difficult to imagine older production techniques, especially for a process that tends to be at least partly automated today, resulting in a product that would be appealing to the modern market (though obviously we can’t tell from the picture how comfortable it was to wear).\n\nMany make the mistake of thinking that all knowledge and skills progress through history as they do through an individual’s lifetime, but there are many things which ancient societies knew how to do better than anyone today, and these include skills that would still be in demand if we had wide access to their fruits. The recent rediscovery of how the Romans made concrete that holds up in sea water better than modern formulae is another example. For shoes, from a cobbler’s perspective (especially one who doesn’t use mass-produced materials), very little has probably changed in the intervening millennia, but to someone used to a narrative of progress that’s no less surprising than regression is in other cases.",
"Looks well conserved.",
"That’s some heat cuzzzzzzzz only hype beast messing with those \n",
"Not as well as your pun though",
"That looks expensive for even today . . . owner must've owned many salves \n",
"Nice.\nThough they look like something they would use for proof on that Ancient Aliens show. ",
"open bobs and vagene",
"The Italians have been making nice shoes for millenia ",
"Lots of jokes here, but damn if those don't look more advanced than I would've thought. beauty",
"Slaves are still making the shoes I guess",
"Ghillie style - a lace up shoe without a tongue.",
"Was totally thinking the same thing haha ",
"Look up Caligae, the Roman military footwear. Pretty much open boots which perfectly adjust to your foot/leg due to the lacing, and are designed to prevent foot injuries commonly found even with modern military boots on long marches or other extreme conditions.",
"Roman crocs",
"The well-thy. ",
"Ha!! As if anything the Romans put on that tape is actually going to preserve for 2000 years. Magnetic tape holds data for like 30 years, max.",
"Rory Williams lost his shoe it seems",
"They are knockoffs, just licensed knockoffs.\n\nIn the UK we have TK Maxx which sells 'branded' goods at lower prices, but an investigation found they were being made at a lower quality with lower quality material so the consumer was getting ripped off just the same. It's the same company making them, just making a shit version to sell at discount stores.",
"I could say they were by Nike but she was Greek. Her Roman equivalent was Victoria. ",
"When things were made to last and they meant it.",
"So you are saying someone should remake the shoe?",
"It looks well preserved. ",
"You wear those toe shoe things, don't you? ",
"To be fair, shoes like those probably cost A LOT back then, without all those machines.",
"That's... unusually specific",
"I'm pretty sure there's a style of sandal made today called \"Spartan\" or something that is based off of the sandals used by Ancient Greeks and Romans.\n\nGoogle is only giving me actual Spartan sandals so it might be another name. My point is that modern fashion has things based directly off of Ancient Roman style.\n\nThere's also the obvious Architecture that is still referenced today and used in many homes.\n\nEDIT: Gladiator Sandals. Thanks /u/bananablueberry ",
"Wow that's super interesting! So basically ancients walked like how dogs and horses, where their heels are raised from the ground?",
"I want a Roman shoe made in my name\n\n",
"Brogue me up fam",
"Whoa, calm down Caligula.",
"Are these the new Ronaldo boots?",
"[Olga Vukavitch](http://img.sharetv.com/shows/characters/large/7_days.dr_olga_vukavitch.jpg)",
"I vote you name it Timmy. -Lassie",
"Pretty sure the Bangles said we walked like an Egyptian ",
"Well that was a good thread.",
"Air Vickies",
"Brogues have been about for longer than I thought.",
"I basically tip toed around my parent's house for 18 years since it was old and full steps radiated noisy thumping from the second floor. You get pretty good at navigating the creaky spots too. Probably helped my calves.",
"I guess these shoes were her secret. ",
"Impressive design and condition\nif it's real",
"Legit check please.",
"You can buy shoes from lots of companies that don’t use “slave labor” to manufacture shoes. You’ll pay a premium but they usually tend to last longer. ",
"...for shallow minds.",
"it's sole crushing work, this comment should really be at the top.",
"Sounds interesting. Can I get a source?",
"Well look what you did now.",
"Sceptical.",
"Is this a Rebok or a Nike?",
"I’d rock that actually",
"“Throw the shoooe down the well”",
"Looks so rad tho",
"Fuckin ballin... sneaker heads will cop",
"And there I paid 250$ for some Italian shoes to wear indoors and they've broken apart in/4 months. First the empire, then Ferrari s championship hopes in f1, now the shoe craft",
"Yeah, I didn't think that post through very well.",
"This guy orgies.",
"But you meant well, and that is the main thing.",
"Romans wore Crocs.",
"Pink sunglasses, skinny jeans, and a case of PBR was also found. ",
"Heel be alright. ",
"It seems well preserved ",
"Shoemakers haven't evolved much since 2000 years",
"like some ROMAN could get passed Sniper Alley on legendary.",
"You’d be a foal not to wait for them go on sale. Grab em at 50% off at $150 and think you’ve won ",
"Yeah this smells like bullshit. There are cultures out there where soles and even shoes are uncommon and AFAIK they're not tip toeing around.",
"His sole is what really counts.",
"Karma krumbs",
"That's simply not true. Soles of various materials, mostly leather but also wood were known since antiquity. I know for sure Greeks and Romans had them.",
"Looks like a failed Kickstarter campaign...",
"I mean, there was certainly less time to devote to extremely finely detailed products back then, right? If you're the average shoemaker you'd probably spend all your time just trying to make enough shoes for all the surrounding villages, would you not?\n\nAt least thats how I thought of it.",
"I can totally see people wearing this now a days.",
"Actually loled at this one ",
"Fine Italian footwear is a tradition. ",
"Looks like they were made to [last](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last)!",
"I was looking at some of the Greek and Roman artifacts in the Hellenistic exhibit at the MET a few weeks ago and the level of detail and design they put into their everyday household objects rivals many things we have today. It was a remarkable civilization. Probably my first choice if I could live in any other era. ",
"Haha the Wikipedia page says it broke into 3 pieces when someone dropped it, and now they are trying to repair it. That Viking had no idea the significance of that turd. ",
"Not if you're disabled and poor. I don't know what disposible income is, in fact I haven't bought shoes in probably 10+ years... anything morally non- objectionable to me sadly is out of my price range. But I guess that's part of the whole corrupt system, gotta be enough 1st world poor (like myself) to be able to buy the cheapest (indentured labor made goods) to prop up the \"premium\" goods market....\n\nOkay so, over simplified and a bit of hyperbole thrown in, but imho the whole system is fucked. It's cleverly tiered system of oppression, developed to look appear fair, more open to upward mobility, and just. But I can't help but see, when I take a step back and look at our globalized economy, a system that's not much different than feudal Europe with kings, queens, nobility, and peasants. There may be a couple more rungs on the ladder these days, but the way wealth stays with the wealthy and most everyone else stays on the rung they are born on or gal a few down the ladder. \n\nI just see a system that has devalued human life too much for my liking (plus I'm feeling depressed and cynical this morning). What to do about it? I don't know. Guess I'm too busy worrying about keeping a roof over my head, food in my belly, while fighting off my damn MS and other medical issues to figure that out. Hope someone does though, just far to much needless suffering in a wealthy and technologically advanced time fir my liking, you'd think we'd have solved such by now.",
"Same",
"This looks more to me like an illustration of combat stances, and how to position/step, rather than proof of footwear.",
"That's what 3500 years of shoe innovation will get you.",
"Now if we can just find the place where our missing socks go when we lose them in the dryer..",
"Better toss that shit back in there, you know some mummy is down there trippin cause he can’t find his skip. ",
"Stylish. Where can I get the reproduction? ",
"all the same “jokes” in the comments too ",
"Oh well",
"$300 is a steal",
"Smells like BS. ",
"What's the Christian version of Victoria?",
"Quite sophisticated design ",
"More likely it was a third shift run at the Chinese manufacturer if it was over all poorer quality but still has the branding.",
"You can say it’s well preserved",
"All I can think is why do we still tie our shoes 2,000 years later? It's a very inefficient way to put on shoes. ",
"Looks like the same sort of case. Largest collection of shoes in roman britain - I'd say it's pretty likely.",
"I always knew crocs were ancient creatures.",
"I guess we know what really happened in 300 wasn't total horseshit.",
"Looks like a prototype Croc",
"Pegasus.",
"Go check out some Roman ruins... you might be able to find a pair tossed up and hung from an aquaduct for free",
"But my Jordan 11 won’t even last a year without turning yellow and falling apart. ",
"\"Solum fac id\"",
"Not the right time for puns mate",
"FOLLOW THE SHOE!!",
"That is why you Roman around for a good deal.",
"That's creepy man, if I saw that in a street somewhere, I'd probably think it was someone's worn out shoe and toss it. ",
"my shoe!",
"Whenever I see these things I think about the person that wore them. Where did they wear the shoe to? Were they their favorite? Were they especially made for the wearer? ",
"Hey that’s what they wear in Asterix",
"No it doesn't.",
"I mean, I would 100% buy that shoe. ",
"On the surface, it seems like this is an astonishing piece of achievement by man and it really is. However, considering that there were humongous pyramids around the planet, I’m tempted to ask why these didn’t come with a swoosh logo and air bubble cushioning? \n\nOn a serious note, I wonder if these were the common version of shoes or the ones reserved for the elites of that time?",
"i think humans used to run long distance on the balls of the feet and above...part of persistence hunting. i saw something about it but i can't replicate it on the googles",
"Not enough boost. No cope. ",
"1453 was a mistake. Where were you when Constantinople fell?\n\nEdit: Fixed the year, the horror was too much and I liked to believe it lasted longer than it did",
"ThrowWaaaaaaaaayBacks",
"And my Nikes don’t last more than 6 months. ",
"Who throws a shoe? Honestly.",
"What did the romans ever do for us ",
"A E S T H E T I C",
"Show us the sole! I’m so curious about the sole. Was it just leather??",
"Well... shoe-t",
"Were. We don't speak about them after \"the event\".",
"!redditsilver",
"Thank you. I’m sick of people smiling when I specifically asked for upside down frowns. ",
"High fashion ",
"Even before that. Some say that the Assyrians invented the Archimedes screw before Archimedes did, and by some I mean my old history teacher.",
"Ugh. Oxfords not brogues. ",
"Caesairs",
"I think the concept of uncomfortable fashion might get me laid has been around for a while.",
"What full stop? Are you on your period?",
"Although we do make shoes in pairs... take that Romans!",
"Yeah, but now I don't feel well.",
"I don’t know if that statement holds any water. ",
"/fa/ as fuck",
"Look at some of the ancient Roman and Egyptian jewelery that has been found they definitely had some high quality artisans back in the day. ",
"Christano Renaldo",
"all shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well.\n\nnot in the end. not postponed. not for long.",
"My wife has these in soft pink.",
"This will be on the runways next season",
"But did they drink Baileys from it?",
"My hypothesis is that considering that in those shoes there are several hours of artisanal works spent in making the shoes looks better, the person who would use that don't use it to work. So either those were her/his best shoes (like wedding shoes or something like that) or that person didn't work at all.\n\nYeah, I don't have an answer to your question.\nIn theory it could even been the shoes of a house slave of a crazy rich Roman, maybe as second ~hand~ foot shoes since they look fixed.",
"\"Throw the shoe down the well\"",
"I'm not digging what you mean",
"Oh, well, water can you do?",
"It looks like a potato compared to a potato.",
"Gladiator sandals are still a thing today if that's what you are thinking of.",
"I don't think these were made by slaves. More like a master cobbler perhaps",
"It lasted 2000 years without being worn, I bet you don’t get more than 150 years out of it with daily wear.",
"It is a german sign and i think I have been to that very museum in Regensburg, which used to be a roman fort.",
"Quite stylish.",
"Brilliant",
"No, they really don't. \n\nI'm not saying they're great, but I've had shoes from there last hundreds and thousands of wearings.",
"Now listen here you little shit",
"Looks machined",
"That guy was fucking nuts. He would invite people for dinner, but their food would be made of clay and he wouldn’t let them leave until they ate it. He also made a horse a senator.",
"It's not just preserved. It's Well® Preserved.",
"Thanks for making me laugh out loud.",
"Just makes you wonder what it will be like in 2,000 years. Will our modern sense of fashion (horrible by the way) carry over to such a distant future? I know it's different, because we have the internet now and all information is (or should be) available for everyone forever, but still. Imagine WW III, the internet breaking down, civilisation gets destroyed...and 2,000 years later we find some vestiges of the past societies. Would these people think \"heck that's cool\" or \"ew that's ugly\"?",
"Slap a supreme sticker on that and it’ll be worth 10 times as much",
"WELL that's terrible for the owner",
"Ah, that's where I left em.",
"And still no evidence whatsoever for the people in the Book of Mormon ",
"But but but...ethical sourcing (is a sugar-coated lie to make us sleep better at night).",
"Wow, fashion really does come back around. ",
"Does anybody know what the material is? ",
"Not a single Bob?",
"It's pretty, I would wear this style today!",
"Water we talking about exactly?",
"You'd think they'd be against that, while the Germanic tribes would have considered it the height of fashion.",
"It looks well preserved ",
"They didn't have boost, back then. ",
"Wow! ",
"Get off the internet dad!!!",
"I’d wear them",
"You get what you don't pay for.",
"REMAIN INDOORS!",
"It's strange that they look so.... Modern. Yet shoes from just a couple hundred years ago don't. \n\nI saw a catalog boo from the 1800s that has nothing but shoes. They looked very different from today's shoes",
"It took me 2 sips of coffee to get this. ",
"Still better than my shoes",
"What size is it?",
"So my country can be free...",
"So deep put that ass asleep.",
"Tip toein' in my Julius Caesar's",
"It’s like Gucci mixed with REI.",
"Way better than my shitty shoes.",
"People wear these still in Widnes ",
"Shoe museum in Toronto?",
"You guys are just flooding this thread with the word \"well\"",
"Looks like a football boot",
"We have giant \"outlet malls\" here in the states that supposedly sell \"overstock and clearance\" from big-name chains like Nordstrom, Macys, Michael Kors, Gucci, etc.\n\nThat actually used to be the case in the 80s and 90s. Now each of those high-end brands makes a lower-end, cheaper product to sell at the outlet malls, but still advertises it as \"name-brands at 75% off!\".\n\nIt is marketing wank and borderline scam.",
"plus buttseks",
"That's 1453 actually.",
"Protection from the elements will do that.",
"Well done thread, well done!",
"Crocs?",
"T”K” Maxx?\n\nWeird, the US has T”J” Maxx stores. ",
"WHAT ARE THOSE!",
"Well deep.",
"Not sure if I want to go bowling",
"QUAE SUNT ILLAE?",
"Haha I love this. One time I went to the Viking museum in Norway. They had a leather belt they dug up from the year c. 1100 CE. It looked just like a leather and metal belt you would buy today. \n\nThe USA is 240-whatever years old. That represents a VERY SHORT fraction of human history and cultural development. There were people having the same ideas and feelings as you have (and doing kickass leather work) thousands of years before the USA existed. Nothing has changed. We may have a few new toys... but... our lives are basically exactly the same as people 4,000 years ago. ",
"TIL Italians have been dominating the shoe game since the dawn of history. ",
"They do look a bit like football boots. ",
"The word \"knockoff\" implies that it is illicit/stolen. A legitimate, licensed design with changes made by the right holder is not a \"knockoff\". An unauthorized copy with just enough changed to not get sued is a \"knockoff\".\n\nThis is semantics, and ultimately you can define words to mean whatever you want, but my whole life I have heard people use the word \"knockoff\" to mean an unauthorized copy that is either illegal, or as close as possible while remaining technically legal.",
"Is this legit or troll..?",
"They're called TJ Maxx in the States. ",
"/BIFL",
"looks Nike is gonna drop those Tiberius 19's by the end of the year",
"Holy shit",
"I zoomed in and all I got were pixels.",
"As deep as me in your dad's cunt",
"Ancient roman craftsmen sometimes created beautiful things. Like this [cage cup](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Roman_diatretglas.jpg) from the 4th century AD.\n\nRelated subreddit: /r/ArtefactPorn/",
"Probably made in India",
"Crazy to think at one point someone lost that shoe and was thinking \"noone is ever going to find that again\"\n\nYou might've just lost your cellphone, in 2000 years they might find it and be like, this is what disgusting man had in their photos 2000 years ago.",
"'us'. We're talking about history here, this is big boy talk. Go back to the other todlers, USA.\n\n-Europe",
"I know de wey",
"Still with better fashion than I have..",
"Classic.",
"This shoe was likely not made by a slave but a craftsmen... also one of the things that made the roman society so magnificent was its social mobility, someone could be a slave and work their way out of it to become extremely wealthy and possibly a senator, it just depended a little on circumstances and alot on manipulating the system.",
"I'd drink Baileys out of it.",
"Julius 12s",
"Same near me. I visited the store last weekend. They have a very small selection of shoes (at least not what it used to be). ",
"r/buyitforlife",
"More like an Air Roman.",
"Steve Madden are crap quality though. Show me the Wolverine line. ",
"So hot right now",
"r/streetwear would line up to cop that heat.",
"For a time when archery was the main form of weaponry, I’m surprised that there was no arch support. ",
"The general well being of these shoes",
"Is that a Nike?",
"Well, well, well... water we have here. ",
"Source \"[The single most important archaeological discovery ever made\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XqwQXqUbX8)",
"Well2K comfortable",
"Well, well, well... what do we have here?",
"So Italians have always made the best shoes.",
"As soon as the oligarchic establishment gets one of their guys back in and the media resumes covering up corruption and shady activity, you guys will go back to not caring so much. ",
"Well, well, well... what do we have here?",
"Crocs are unoriginal ",
"I'm in a well, cause of you I fell, you pushed me down.",
"Heh. It's even the [exact same amount](https://media1.tenor.com/images/33e3245b9e0d0df48e0748e8a7ccca93/tenor.gif?itemid=5905598)",
"Crocs are unoriginal ",
"/r/artefactporn",
"It's pretty reasonable to suggest that they did it. It is proven in Plimpton 322 that the Assyro-Babylonians invented Pythagoras theorem 1000 years before Pythagoras was born. They had to transport water to high elevations hourly and Arhcimedes screw wouldn't be much of a stretch. \nThey also invented Aqueducts - water proof, elevated aqueducts - before the Romans even entered a written record. \n\nThe Romans largely \"borrowed\" (I say stole) a lot of their tech, culture, language, inventions from the Greeks who did the same to their Eastern, Mesopotamian neighbours. \n\nThis is the case with many civilizations but the way Romans and Greeks are given absolute credit for everything - and the way they gave themselves credit is why I call a lot of them hacks and phonies. I'm sure a Augustan history major is going to come in here and bite my head off, so before you get to me, suck me bizatch. \n",
"Looks better than yeezys",
"Obligatory: WHAT ARE THOSE?!?",
"In other news missing millionaire's son, Chad Jones, was found dead in the same well. He was found missing his without his shoes, and police are still looking for them.",
"What are toooose",
"I thought you were kidding. Glad I clicked.",
"Nice try Pinterest",
"Air Arabia Petraeas",
"I can just imagine someone Roman around in a pair of those 2000 years ago.",
"I imagine shows in Ancient Rome were actually very expensive and people probably had like one pair. ",
"Kanye’s new shoe design. Mark my words. ",
"Well preserved ",
"/r/buyitforlife ",
"Looks like it was found on a shelf.",
"Go away, Pegasus!",
"throw the shoe down the well\n\nso my country can be free",
"Well, would you look at that",
"What brand?",
"T.J. Hughes had 50 years on T.J. Maxx when they entered the British market so they went with T.K. not to overshadow themselves.",
"That's a snowshoe though. We make ugly, ungainly looking snowshoes to this day. ",
"Et tu, Reebok?",
"Anybody remember the movie The Hunt for the Hidden Relic?",
"Haha",
"Well, this is a left shoe. So heel be all right.",
"Them Jesus 07's ",
"I wonder what was Victoria's Secret.",
"WTC",
"Agora outfitters*",
"What’s in the well comes up in the bucket.",
"Just saying, the way he demonstrates it is super exaggerated. It's easy to walk on the balls of your feet and it look like a relatively normal style of walking. After a while it can become an unconscious movement and it's definitely way less hard on the feet when running.\n\n\n\nNot that I'm saying people in the past walked this way, just that it's not quite the way he's making it out to be. ",
"Throw the shoe down the well, so my country can be free!",
"I find things last longer if they're never used.",
"Well Jesus just kinda does everything in the Christian \"pantheon\" so probably Jesus.",
"Well, well, well...",
"Well well well",
"Well, well, well...look who just walked in!",
"If they were found in Jordan, would they have been the original Jordan’s?",
"Those are sick shoes for even today!",
"Honestly it was probably made by a slave. Just speaking demographically. ",
"I could see women wearing this today. Amazing.",
"I guess this was the inspiration for the Nike Flyknit Racer shoe ",
"Why is there a tag that says \"KEDS\" on it?",
"In welchem Museum?",
"Did Tom Hanks discover it?\n",
"but why were they using them to walk around in wells?",
"I am in the apparel business. These are so stylish. I am sure these will inspire some designers. ",
"Baller Brand Loafers.",
"Caezees",
"They liked Crocs back in the day...",
"Black, like your heart ",
"Ancient aliens theorists say....yes. Have they ever said no?",
"I thought they used wi-fi, considering they cant find any landlines in those ruins",
"Yeah you tell that long dead Roman how to live his life.",
"Damn, Ancient Egypt stylin' all over everybody.",
"I’d wear that",
"You telling me that shoes have had the same basic design for more than 2000 years? That's amazing. ",
"Cicero's finest shoes",
"Shit, I just thought it was a hipster's Puma. ",
"Not really. Vandals were a barbarian (as in foreigner) tribe of northern europe, part of the barbarian invasions in the fall of the empire. Thats where the word came from, nothing to do with graffiti.\n\nGraffiti predates the roman invasion by a lot. It predates the romans too, was also common in ancient greece.",
"You sure this is 2000 years old? I'm pretty sure girls wear that all the time nowadays.",
"Rock climbing shoes. ",
"So this is Victoria’s Secret, she made shoes. ",
"Yeah, but it's just the one, so you'd have to hop around everywhere, or walk lopsided, which will cause your vision to always be askew, unless you tilt your head a bit, which will strain your neck, unless you also buy a neck brace.",
"well guys, i think it's time to stop",
"Didn’t know that the romans wore crocs ",
"I don't know man, if you dropped a 20cmx5cm (8\"x2\") turd... you would KNOW how significant it was.",
"Neros",
"The Idiot Ages were a cringe fest. ",
"Wellington boot",
"r/buyitforlife",
"Apostrophe murder, a shoe does not shoe.\n\nWait... Yes. Yes it does.",
"Looks like a possibility for a yeezy",
"Well well well, look what we have here ",
"Better than Yeezys ",
"Didn't the world lose the recipie for concrete for about a thousand years after Rome fell? I believe that's why Florence had so many large buildings made of brick during the rennaisance: emerging from the dark ages and ready to build large again but still no concrete.",
"I read \"ramen shoe\" and was severely disappointed. ",
"Seeing this shoe I am floored at how similar it looks to what we have today. I know they had shoes, but look at it. It’s like something I could go to the store today and buy. \n\nI wonder how far our world would be had the dark ages never happened. Just staggering. ",
"those would go so well with [https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/taking-a-closer-look-at-an-odd-pair-of-very-very-old-socks-84123314/](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/taking-a-closer-look-at-an-odd-pair-of-very-very-old-socks-84123314/)",
"air roman",
"\"Aliens\" ",
"Brb, shitting in a time capsule.\n\n\"Looks like this ancient citizen consisted mostly on processed taco meat and fake cheese.\"",
"But are they red bottoms? ",
"Well",
"Throw the shoe down the well! So my kicks can be free, so my kicks can be free!",
"Throw the shoe down the well\nSo my country can be freeeeee!!",
"I was thinking why it was in a well. Was it thrown in? Did somebody fall in?",
"The puns here are getting worse than the pilots in Wellington",
"Yeezy Boost. BC ",
"I’d be interested in knowing what you do to your shoes that they wear out on the first use.\n\nI’ve owned several pairs of Payless shoes over the years and while they’ve maybe worn out sooner than a higher end shoe, never on the first use.",
"Pizza Pizza",
"Oh well, time to get back to work.",
"What are thooooose!",
"Another reason to join us at /r/BarefootRunning ",
"Imagine that shoemaker, he had no idea his work would be intact 2000 years later. Low key blows my mind.",
"Or maybe they did. They were like \"Bergjot, come take a look at this shit!\"",
"/r/theydidthemonstermath wait...",
"I really doubt this is the work of a slave. Back then, they had master artisans with apprentices. More likely it's made by an apprentice.",
"Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew. ",
"This will probably be x-posted to a leathercrafting sub",
"WHAT ARE THOSE!",
"Rolf certainly didn’t know for sure, but after looking down, he had a feeling that particular shit would be one for the ages. ",
"Probably could have ended up a saint or something.",
"Darn, beat me to it.",
"You weren't there! You don't know!",
"The 5500 year old pair was made by a poor person with crude materials. \n\nedit: grammar",
"This is extremely cool",
"Roman slaves were often educated Greeks. Their form of slavery was different than in America. So, they would have stolen a master cobbler from Greece and told him to make shoes. ",
"Are these those 'cheezys' all the kids are after",
"Would not recommend. Feels like you're being stabbed everytime you wear them.",
"Ahh the '\"Emporairs\"",
"> their food would be made of clay and he wouldn’t let them leave until they ate it.\n\nThis kills the centurion.",
"Veni Vidi Runnies",
"You sell it for $50k and get yourself some jordans",
"I don't have a dictionary handy; does that mean \"completely and totally out of your own ass?\"",
"[link for the uninitiated](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XqwQXqUbX8)",
"And waging wars to foreign lands for the sake of economic benefit (yes, Crassus, i am looking at you).",
"The cool thing about the coliseums is that still today our stadiums are pretty much designed the same way. We use more modern materials, but apparently we just cant beat the shape and the layout of them, theyre pretty much perfection\n\n",
"It's owner probably fell in. He couldn't see that well.",
"I have shoes 2 years old that look older than this.",
"Bar bar bar bar barbarbar?",
"Did you take this photo? Looks like the Römisch-Germanisches Museum in Cologne, I was there a couple years ago and it was fascinating! I loved Cologne. ",
"A potato loaded with pinestraw. Also a new side entree at KFC. ",
"Anybody know what kind of Roman citizen would have worn these? Would it have been wealthy upper classes or would the average citizen?\n\n",
"I'm on mobile but I always like to weigh in when people paint a picture that current times are bleak. Some things to consider, and I can get you some sources later: we're living in the happiest, healthiest, wealthiest, and safest period of human history. Global poverty is plummeting and has halved over the past 25 years. Average life expectancy is increasing globally. In the United States, real median incomes are raising and living conditions are better than historically (contrary to the stagnation narrative). Income gains are especially pronounced among women and minorities. Unemployment is incredibly low. Working hours have been steadily decreasing since the data has been collected. The middle class is surely shrinking, but what's often left out of that discussion is that half of the \"dispersion\" is due to families moving into the *upper* class. Real, inflation-adjusted out-of-pocket costs (net of subsidies) of higher education have been stable over time, and the return to education is still very high in terms of income and unemployment rates. The real cost of housing on a per SF basis is stable or decreasing in non-metropolitan (New York, San Francisco, etc) areas. \n\nA lot of the above is counter to what people \"know\" to be true, but it certainly is. Things aren't as bleak as the current narrative suggests. ",
"Yeah I'd be pissed if someone threw mine in the well",
"We have TJ Maxx in the US. TJ Maxx also owns Marshall’s and Homegoods. I wonder if that’s the case for any of those stores as well. \n\nI worked at a TJ Maxx in high school and can attest that the Express clothes and Le Sportsac bags we sold at that time were real and of good quality. But that was quite awhile ago.",
"Did they? And did this work in the long term?",
"No, they didn't. There is no recorded Babylonian statement of the theorem.\n\n[The first statement of the Pythagorean theorem is Indian and from between the fifth and eighth century BC.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_theorem#History) That same text gives a proof of it for the special case of the right isosceles triangle, i.e. that triangle proportional to one with two sides equal to one and one side equal to sqrt(2).\n\nA proof of another special case is found in a Chinese text from the first century BC. However, that proof generalizes to the full case, and it's effectively the proof attributed to Pythagoras.\n\nThere is no direct record of the proof attributed to Pythagoras, but if he proved it, which the ancients didn't doubt; (and they did have the proof they attribute do him) I get the impression that he was first with a full proof, since he lived well before the first century BC.",
"Advanced is relative",
"It belongs in a museum.",
"These look like a pair of shoes i own actualy, but they always say things always come back in style. ",
"Maybe Michael the Archangel…",
"Romans: The original cultural appropriators",
"Maybe he was wearing a pair of hand-me-downs or maybe this is from a workhouse that put out shoes in patterns industrially. I wonder if that was a thing for the Roman shoe industry.",
"*kanye shrug*\n\nI’ve found the quality of my Levi’s from outlets to be just the same as the ones I find in regular stores, but the prices are like... $40 apart. I was in the business of replacing a raggedy 3 year old pair of outlet Levi’s and the regular store version was $90.\n\nNinety bucks for a pair of regular Levi’s? That’s bananas.",
"Well, well, well.",
"Well, well, well. They did wear cool shoes after all.",
"Pic of modern pair? What kind of soles are on them?",
"It's just tradition. I am sure we could make ones that look good if we wanted, but who wants to be the odd man out? Walking around in attractive snow based footwear?",
"The only way to fight it is through a more fair and equitable financial system. Cryptocurrencies are the answer. ",
"Yup looks like Scarecrow from Batman Begins",
"I want these same shoes. ",
"What are the arguments for \"stealing\", \"borrowing\", or just flat out \"using\" technology?\n\nWho invented the trains is not of particular importance to me. The fact that trains use the same track width in multiple countries is of particular importance to me, as it make a much larger impact of that technology.\n\nAre the Romans taking credit for things... or are historians just giving them credit for inventing it?",
"CEEZYS",
"> neymar\n\nHas he been bought by Asroma or SS Laxio?\n\n",
"Filthy pig Latin caption ",
"Looks like something they used to roam around in yeah?",
"So that’s where I lost my shoe....",
"These match Kanye's entire clothing line. Expect these soon in a store near you! The all new Yeezy Agile IIX. ",
"Roman hipster crocs.",
"/r/buyitforlife",
"Bitch lasagna",
"Even if that is true and I'm not doubting you, you at least have to admire the proliferation of the technology under the Romans and Greeks, Romans more so than the Greeks. \n\nThey may have been warmongers of the highest degree but when they did conquer somewhere they spread their technology. I can drive 20 miles up the road and walk around a Roman wall that is still worth a damn that wrap around most of the city and go see a Roman bath that is still mostly intact. \n\nThe Assyrians may have come up with it but the Romans made it useful to civilization and I think that's why they get so much credit and that's fair enough.",
"Same went for me, except the floor tiles were cold af in the morning ",
"We havent advanced a lot when it comes to shoes in those 2000 years. We should have had indestructable shoes that can adapt to any temperature. But nope we still rocking leather shoes.",
"Istanbul ",
"Why? Some of those dudes were known for running superhuman distances - plus all the olympics and shit",
"I noticed the shift when the outlets, which used to be clearance and mostly just out of season, odd sized, etc. suddenly became well stocked in-season and all sized options, the quality was/is definitely lower.",
"I don't think so. This shoe looks too good to be discarded just like that, especially in old times where it would cost a lot more than today. Likely the owner was killed and thrown in the well. With the years the body and the bones decomposed, but the leather, if it was treated, survived. Just like the \"Titanic\" passengers' shoes.",
"Fun fact: Roman legionnaires wore thick-soled sandals called *caligae* (singular caliga). When young Gaius would visit his father Germanicus at his forward camps, his father had a pair of small caliga made for him along with a uniform. So the legionnaires started calling him 'Caligula' (Little Boots, the diminutive form of caliga). And he kept the nickname after his grandfather died making him the emperor.",
"Tu reeboque, fili?",
"Idk how expensive their other stuff is but their Chelsea boots are $80 which is really cheap for actual suede boots",
"Jerusalem Cruisers ",
"**Y O U H A D O N E J O B**",
"Bullshit written by his enemies. ",
"RIP Timmy O'Toole.",
"Ain't shit hard about that. After you take control of Master Chief, move through the first door and jump + crouch up to the light above you and then again to the slope next to it. Turn left and jump up to the ledge and move to a point where you can jump back across to the next ledge. Now just hop around the rooftops to get to the highway (where the Pelican flies in). Drop down to and go across the highway and hop up on the concrete barrier and grenade jump to the building next to you. Hop down to the street on the other side and bam, your outside the building that transitions you to the beach.",
"What’s that Lassy? Someone’s in the well? For 2000 Years??",
"> The shoe was found in near-perfect condition due to the cool and dry conditions in the cave and a thick layer of sheep dung which acted as a solid seal. \n\nBrb covering my shoes in sheep dung to preserve. ",
"Your style is so last millennia.",
"What are those?!?!!?!!? Lol ",
"Can’t imagine too many cobblers browsing reddit, but it wouldn’t surprise me. ",
"That's well preserved. ",
"Depends on the place - e.g. in Pompeji-below-the-Ashes, surely not, if you don't refer to modern vandals.",
"Lace locks bruh ",
"More a fan of the Areni-2s personally ",
"GOOD SHOES FOR GOOD ROMANS! \n\nTHE SHOEMAKERS GUILD ON 7th USES ONLY THE BEST LEATHER! ",
"What twas hence though barked, Lassyeus? Timotheus ist inneth thine well?",
"The one near me is currently in the business of hosting drug addicts and drive bys.",
"What you got against four legs, you two-legged bitch?!",
"Nike will release a similar style next year that will retail for $349",
"It is crazy how similar their society was to ours. ",
"This is just a marketing ploy by Yeezys",
"r/shoemaking",
"I went a bit darker than that.... my first reaction was \"did they dig a bit deeper for the body of the girl that shoe belonged to?\".\n\nSecond reaction was to imagine some cheating dude trying to buy his girlfriends affections back with a nice pair of shoes and she's losing her shit publicly.... \" FUCK YOU AND YOUR SHOES MARCUS!!! I SAW YOU WITH THAT WHORE BAKERS DAUGHTER!\" followed by her promptly throwing said expensive pair of shoes down the well in front of the entire street and making him look like an ass. ",
"I'd cop",
"It amazes me ton think about things being this old when I come from a country that was only discovered a few hundred years ago",
"Well well well well well well, six wells coming up ",
"So what you're saying is... We're all slaves to fashion?",
"> the level of detail and design they put into their everyday household objects rivals many things we have toda\n\n“Rival?”\n\nMost of our formal silverware is a [copy](http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2013/05/23/27221345.html) of silverware unearthed in the eighteenth century at Pompeii and other sites. ",
"HEY VICKY, YOU'RE SO FINE. \n\nYOU'RE SO FINE YOU BLOW MY MIND!\n\n*HEY, VICKY!*",
"Can you even imagine The Event happening again?",
"r/buyitforlife",
"OTOH it makes me sad that shoe-making technology has not advanced much in 2000 years in spite of all the automation. ",
"Not as stylish, but I bet Krog’s feet were warm and comfy.",
"Shame he never learned to hold his tongue",
"/r/goodyearwelt",
"The mortality rate (by murder) for Emperor was ridiculously high. \n\nhttp://www.allempires.com/article/index.php?q=fate_of_roman_emperors\n\nLooks like >50%",
"There’s a video of lil pump checking into a hotel and he is flexing on some older lady telling her can talk because of how expensive his outfit was, the shoes he is wearing were quoted at something like 13hunnit or some wild shit like that. If I remember correctly the kicks he is wearing in the video look like a soft leather version of these bad boys.. Time traveler?",
"r/buyitforlife ",
"Nice spot! That’s not a coincidence. \n\nAccording to costume designer Kenneth Emmy this was the inspiration for scarecrow’s shoes in the Batman Begins movie.",
"New yeezys confirmed ",
"Fresh",
"Flyknit legionnaire shield id",
"Far more advanced than I thought they would have been",
"This was an argument somehwere on Reddit a month or two ago, and for some reason I dived into the research to figure shit out. Not an expert. However, while one side was screaming that the video was totally legit and nobody ever walked heel-toe before like 1920 or something and the other side was screaming the opposite, the research itself is really varied.\n\nStudies of hunter-gatherer groups (mostly in Africa) are divided. Some find all toe-heel walking and running, some find toe-heel running but heel-toe walking, but the largest ones (with samples that seem more representative) seem to find that there are individual differences: many people who have never worn shoes in their lives (or who only wear thin-soled shoes) walk and/or run heel-toe just like modern Nike-wearers. Others do toe-heel.",
"They look like football boots",
"This was a rich person's shoe",
"Where 2 cop????",
"Do the still have the box?",
"At the end of the day, there is only so much you can do with a shoe. A 4000 years old sandal wouldn't look too out of place next a modern one. It only gets weird if you go out of your way to make the wearers life hazardous, like Turkish bath clogs, lotus feet shoes(broken miniaturized foot) or overly ambitious stilettos.",
"Well preserved.",
"Nike ",
"It's too early Dad!",
"T”J” Maxx?\n\nWeird, the Ireland has T”L” Maxx stores.",
"Mercury brand. ",
"Careful with that edge.",
"Still functional and looking good after 2K years? ... Must be a Johnson & Murphy.",
"Probably just hyperbole. ",
"Lmao i think a shoe like this now a days would surely be in the $600-$1000 shoes. They are hand crafted pieces of art. \n\nI just picture some dude finished up his race at the Colosseum and maybe he pissed someone off there so he running and takes his shoes off on the way, as a disguise, it wouldnt be put of the norm to\nNot wear shoes? ",
"A toga was equilivant to one gram of gold cost roughly stable since at $1200 \n\n\nAbout the cost of a name brand suit today",
"Old school Crocs",
"Preview of Yeezy Season 7",
"Upload to r/buyitforlife for karma. ",
"The US once had protectionist laws in place that ensured clothing sold in the US were, in fact, made in the US. While some still is, it's the low cost and discount sellers that have really pushed the Asian producers to sell x number of items at x price. Cheap products at a cheap price in wildly varying sizes.",
"They look more like wingtips than Crocs, really.",
"Oh they look like Yeezys ",
"r/buyitforlife",
"WHERE'S THE FOOT?\nhttps://youtu.be/MlJD0_rSVtY?t=10s",
"Brilliant. I wonder how do people come up with such things.",
"Do the soles light up when you run?",
">This guy orchids.\n\nFTFY",
"If nothing else, those Romans had style.",
"This makes me wonder, how many gorgeous designs are lost in time. ",
"The value of some antiques is basically the sum total of their storage cost for hundreds or thousands of years.",
"You're like 15 years late with this comment.",
"I'm Blue – da ba dee da ba dye, da ba dee da ba dye.",
"Adidas predators are timeless ",
"There's a difference. TJ(K) Maxx although they do get their own low quality versions of products most of the stuff they sell is factory QC rejects. With shoes the most common thing is that the glue holding the outsole on is overspread and covering the leather upper, or stitching errors. \n\nLower quality yes but not usually made with lower quality materials. ",
"Styx and stones may strengthen his bones...",
"Not not at all. Times were very different around the 200BC vs. The servile wars vs. The Pax Romana, but generally Rome was highly stratified financially and roughly half of people in the empire were slaves. There were plenty of plebian labor, what we might call yeoman farmers (particularly toward the early side), and then a handful of traders, and the ruling wealthy elite.\n\nComing off the punch wars, the typical person still worked on farms, and slaves were a major economic force that conducted much of the labor. By the pax Romana, senators had bought up most of the land the farmers worked on, driving them to cities for merchant work, leaving giant tenant farms and slave labor to operate commercial farms (mostly grapes, olives, and cereal). \n\nBy diocletian's time, the stage had been set for feudalism, and he really hammered it home with his economic remodel of the empire. \n\nBut suffice it to say, around 0AD, most labor was slave operated. It could have been a freedman in a city certainly, but those are really your two likely outcomes. They didn't have \"skilled professionals\" like we do today, at least in the sense that they could lead a healthy, enjoyable life. There was a middle class merchant here or there, but for the most part it was slaves and former slaves. Certainly, that's who made this shoe.",
"Victoria Air Maximus ",
"Uh. Can someone explain the reference here?",
"\"Heir Caesars\"",
"Been a long time gone.",
"Victoria would be the company, Vickies would be the womens line and Vics would be the mens",
"So this is basic footwear in NK? ",
"\"an Augustan history major\" FTFY\n\nAnd you were wrong. A grammar nazi got you first. And real life plays out here as well. No one's gonna suck you. Ever. ",
"And as bad as an over cooked beef Wellington. ",
"we should make these again",
"Thought them was the new Yeezy's at first. s/",
"I would buy these if a decent company made them.. Really cool looking shoes.",
"Why do people pay 200 or more today for something that lasts about 8 months",
"Bankrupt does not mean anything close to out of business",
"Also, you're gonna need a hyphen for \"half-arsed,\" you prescriptivist fucks.",
"Air Hercs!!!",
"Al? Al Bundy? Is that you?",
"More like buy it forever\n\nor buy it for 9.4 generations",
"Pro Leather worker here. A couple of interesting points: This shoe is constructed in almost the same exact manner as modern shoes. The only lacking difference is nowadays we add a 1/4\" hard leather or rubber sole to the bottom. \n\nSecond, the most impressive part of this shoe is the TANNAGE. It's really difficult to tan leather well and have a quality finish like this. Today we do this in factories with hundreds of machines. This shoe leather was done by hand! Extremely impressive. \n\nThis shoe is very elaborate. Even today, a shoe with this level of hand work would be $1000+ This shoe was made by a master. However, it was entirely normal for slaves to be in the trades. It might very well have been made by a master cobbler who was still a slave. \n\nWhat an incredible find, and what a testament to the enduring legacy of an unknown leather worker!",
"I guess they really don't make 'em like they used to",
"In 2000 more years our shoes will say NIKE",
"Strange how familiar this looks",
"Now THAT is fetch",
"I'm sorry that all I can afford is an upvote for this. Thank you.",
"Solid Italian design.",
"WHAT ARE THOSE???",
"And yet you get to sit on the internet complaining about it. Try third world poor and get back to me.",
"Looks perfect for a 40 yard free kick. ",
"These are just random samples of shoes. They probably don't reflect the best or worst shoes of their time.",
"\"The poor always getting fucked over by the rich. Always have, always will be.\"",
"/r/sneakers",
"NERO... just do it. ",
"That's a stylish ass shoe. \n\nYou'd pay good money for something like that. ",
"Et tou brute?",
"Didn't know you history buffs were so saucy.",
"Romans where much more sophisticated than our feudal counterparts (western counter parts).\n\nGiven are rapid technological advances, many people make the assumption that technology progress correlates with the passage of time in unison fashion, but that was not always the case. ",
"It's the crusaders from a couple hundred years prior that did them in more. In 1453 they were barely more than a city state. ",
"Probably made by slave labor.",
"Didius Julianus? Nope.",
"ah yes the Hoplite I, it was a good shoe with amazing durability",
"The new Yeezy 0018 Boost \"Rome\"",
"Man where can I get some shoes like this",
"Probably charge you a little more for this pair ",
"The old Timmy fell down the well reference. Cue Lassy’s bark. ",
"i look at the detail and skill involved in making that shoe and think, \"fuck, craftsmen of yesteryear were amazing.\" i don't even know how you'd do that nowadays by hand, let alone 2,000 years ago.",
"Great post, but the autocorrect typo “punch wars” really made me laugh.",
"Actually, Caesar was what we would call a \"left-wing populist\", on the side of the party called \"populares\", which favored the plebeians (mostly the urban poor), as opposed to the Senate factions which supported the rich's interests (\"optimates\").\n\nTrump would definitely a supporter of the \"optimates\". Caesar had a policy more like Bernie Sanders.",
"They look like rock climbing shoes",
"Wow, that looks so... Ancient Egyptian.",
"Isn't that normal on the daily?",
"That looks to be in a better condition than my shoes I bought last year...",
"Umu that's a nice shoe!",
"I really had no idea how little shoes have evolved in the last two thousand years",
"Ah, even the hieroglyphic bird people wore sandals. Interesting.",
"Youh a done job? ",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDhKTHUPxzw",
"Sick burn",
"Are you getting ripped off if it's cheaper?",
"r/BuyItForLife",
"seriously？",
"if the shoe fits",
"I remember her sounding angrier",
"I have several pairs of socks from the same era :P",
"\"Hey Niko!\" ",
"Awesome colab.\n\nThose are fire.\n\nWhere do I cop?\n\n--sneakerhead probably",
"Well, shoe. ",
"We won't even go into a payless any more. All of them we have been in, the worker is way too pushy and won't leave us alone. Always. ",
"History is written by the winners. Everyone knows that Carthaginians sacrifice babies to Baal, the Romans made sure to write lots about that. Everyone knows that Romans where great conquerors of Gaul (which is all the land and homogenous people south of the Pyrenees, west of the Rhine as well as everything between the civilised people from Italica/Greece and the Danube). They did it using tiny armies to conquer big hordes, the Romans made sure to write it that way. Of course the only real military losses they ever incurred where to geniuses (Hannibal), huge monster men in huge numbers (Germans) or cheaters (Parthians), the Romans said so.",
"I guess it stopped roamin'... \n\nI'll show myself out now.",
" -2 strength.",
"Vikings had meth heads?",
"Poor Timmy. ",
"Which museum is this?",
"milk truk just arrive",
"No sole? It is really good.",
"Yep. The same chain in Canada is called Winners, and it used to be a great place for finding deals on brand name stuff. Now it’s 95% cheap off brand shit made for Winners with the odd gem. I have one nearby so I go fairly regularly just to see what’s in and it’s rarely worth it anymore. ",
"[Here's a pic](https://i.pinimg.com/474x/3b/2b/4f/3b2b4f0e64c35e298a4c01235f649dd8--roman-soldiers-shoemaking.jpg) of a pair of ancient Roman shoes. Note that they are made for left and right feet.\n\nThere's a false notion that all shoes from antiquity were made in one shape, which would fit either foot. This was obviously true for many shoes but it wasn't a universal trait.",
"r/sneakers ",
"It might be in Kalkriese, the museum at the area where the Battle of the Teutoburg Forest took place in 9 A.D.\n\n\nI went there last year, and they had such a shoe on display.",
"Same chain. It goes by Winners in Canada. ",
"So my Italian-American father's shoe preferences are apparently genetic....",
"Made by Malaysian slave labor, most likely.",
"\"This is the most exciting piece of excrement I've ever seen... In its own way, it's as irreplaceable as the Crown Jewels\".\nLol",
"Much like your answer [everything you ever wanted to know about roman footwear without answering the question of who could afford what](http://www.romeacrosseurope.com/?p=2536#sthash.m0RMXGEN.75er1fPb.dpbs)",
"/r/sneakers",
"Not Constantinople\n\n",
"\"This is the most exciting piece of excrement I've ever seen...\"\n\nThis made my day",
"Crocks oddly never went for style, blows my mind.\n\nI understand the molding process was easy and they could make an entire shoe for dollars and almost no assembly.\n\nWhy they didnt make a 'next gen' croc that was comfey and looked good... How...?",
"Air Caligulas perhaps? His name literally translates to 'little boot'.",
"Still in better condition than the BigBallerBrand",
"Interesting... I'd suspected as much. And of Sports Direct... You wouldn't have a link to the source material would you?",
"How is a cryptocurrency different than a regular currency with respect to income equality?",
"The original barefoot shoe",
"😮",
"That whole era is fascinating. I need to read more about it. A few years ago, I got a [coin](https://i.imgur.com/1UvW1f1.jpg) in change from my local grocery store. I showed it to my Dad, who's a coin collector, and after researching he believes it's a Roman coin of Constantine the Great from around 310-316 A.D.",
"Willie Mays?",
"Real OGs",
"Perhaps you're unusually rough with your lingerie. ",
"r/buyitforlife",
">\\>aliens did not build the pyrami...",
"Amazing, should post to r/HistoryPorn too!",
"You still could say they were made by Nike, since I'm sure they were made by unpaid children",
"The straw packed inside was to insulate the wearer's feet from the cold. That's the oldest shoe known, but there are other similar examples nearly as old, and they are found in areas with a lot of winter snow. Also that style of leather sole wouldn't have survived walking over normal rocky terrain for very long, and wouldn't be worth the time and trouble it took to construct if it were to be used that way. It's only practical for soft snow. ",
"still looks beter then yeezy's\n",
"You think some bloody ROMAN would know that?",
"WWWWWHAT ARE THOOOOOOOOSE?!",
"We can get karma for posting exhibits in museums? Dude, what have I been doing this whole time?",
"Ave Caesar",
"Not that it was anything 3rd world, regardless of degree of suffering, and in a 1st world country, I have seen some pretty dark shit and been through enough to realize the degree of suffering the poor deal with in a 1st world country shouldn't be happening. ",
"I agree, he even made walking heel-toe awkward to look at. That said, I'm not sure people actually walked on the balls of their feet like he is implying. With running it makes sense to land on the ball of your foot because your foot will act as a spring in that position. Slamming your heel down first is going to mess with your knees eventually.",
"Cant believe I had to scroll this far to find this question amongst a sea of “funny” jokes. This needs to be higher. ",
"Shoe flavored water?",
"This wiki article is absurd. How many Kurik's was the turd in question?",
"r/buyitforlife\n",
"“It was well made”\n\n-/u/EPalmighty",
"No, it's not.",
"Do you count Martin Luther King day?",
"Those kicks were fire, though",
"More like Anthropologie. Heh. ",
"Post this in r/sneakers. ",
"Old Balance",
"it's a sandal!",
"Considering the amount of work it took to make those I’m sure they cost more than the equivalent of $300 by far.",
"ONE O'CLOCK AND ALL'S WELL",
"Julius Caesar was for the people though. It was the other corrupt government people who murdered him because they liked the corruption.\n\nIf anything it was the opposite.",
"Googled it... Happy with results. ",
"In 1204? Or the final time 300 years later?\n\nThe 4th crusade was bad....",
"\"Well well well, what do we have here?\"",
"TIL the Romans bowled. ",
"Do we know how Romans tied their shoes? Was it the same as we do today?",
"This man knows his branding! You're hired. See you at 9 on Saturday!",
"[This shot](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/38/f4/e2/38f4e2dad6a07515e4b123f0b1e425db.jpg) has more detail of the side of the shoe. The detail is incredible. ",
"So Ancient Romans had Crocs as well?",
"I don't get it.",
"the shoe originated from a guy who got his ass kicked into the middle of the next week, for pissing off the wrong bad hombre.\n\nit's a nice shoe though, have one that looks a bit like it. ",
"Guess what Caligula translates to... 'Little boot'.",
"Unless a noble would pay you a hundred times more than a plebian from a village ever could, so you make nice looking shoes. ",
"I think Nike makes a crosstrainer for that.",
"They also had advertisments inbetween gladiatorial matches, for merchandise and such. Made sense then, makes sense now: put your message where the audience is.\n\nFor the film *Gladiator*, they decided not to show this, believing that it would look contrived.",
"that's for sure",
"For soccer, this is nike magista",
"WHAT ARE THOOOOOOSSE??",
"God I love antiquities",
"Well *those* shoes lasted 2000 years, so...",
"I can't hate on Payless. When we first came to this country and were starting up from nothing and expectedly struggling, they were the only place we could afford to buy shoes. One thing my mom always made sure of, was that we had shoes. We moved on from Payless as soon as possible and on to better quality shoes that didn't need replacing every season, but as a growing kid, shoes didn't last long anyway. But anyway I can't fault Payless when they were the affordable option to people who didn't have many.",
"Yeezy Maximus. ",
"Timotheus fucking died",
"Run like the city is on fire....",
"Well, maybe Olympius and Honorius shouldn't have murdered tens of thousands of Goth women and children of the Goth soldiers serving the Romans. Just an idea, you know, to keep friends with foreign soldiers living next to you.",
"Can we discuss salary?",
"2000 years ago a Roman went \"By Jove!\" and threw his shoe after some cat wailing outside his fenestra and hit the well instead and then went \"Jove damn it!\".\n\n",
"I'm not OP, but I have really wide feet and a natural hate for shoes that taper. From what I've researched is that the tapered toe is an aesthetic style that refuses to go away. Your toes need to splay when you walk which means the shoe should have a wider toe-box that conforms to that instead of your foot conforming to the shoe. Too tight of shoes can lead to Mortons neuroma, bunions, hammer toe, etc. Lem's makes some wide toe box shoes and their [hiking boot](https://www.lemsshoes.com/shop/mens-boulder-boot-brown.html) is a good example (still too. narrow for my feet!).\n\nI've worn many shoes growing up that were way too narrow and many of them split on the side. It also led to problems like Morton's neuroma, which thankfully went away after finding the right 6E width shoe.",
"Yeah we heard the first guy",
"Damn Daniel",
"Looks like something Kanye West would sell ",
"Get ready for an influx of these at Coachella",
"To be fair, his family was caught up in the insane treason trials of the previous emperor. To say he had a rough upbringing is an understatement. When he became emperor the people were actually glad that the old emperor was dead. They hoped Caligula would bring them better times.\n\nThat ~100 year stretch of Roman history was not a good time to be a Roman. Power vacuums, the year of the 4 emperors, civil wars...",
"I want to crinkle cut this and fry it",
"I'm actually quite positive, and do realize the progress we've made has been amazing honestly, but I'm also a hopelessy idealistic and in a bad spot due to health and other issues, so a bit cynical currently. ",
"what are thoooooose!!! I will show myself the way out",
"Not surprising. Much of our modern civilization was modeled directly after theirs.",
"Nike Air Maximus",
"WHAT ARE THOOOSE?!?!",
"Still has camel poop on the one.",
"This is the first time I have seen anyone type my full name out on the internet. I honestly thought no one knew it existed, thank you I just hope you can pronounce it correct as well lol. ",
"r/buyitforlife",
"/r/goodyearwelt",
"I have VS lingerie that still looks pristine after 2-3 years of use. I just started shopping there around 2-3 years ago and haven't had one issue, Idk why it gets such a bad rap on reddit. ",
"It looks surprisingly modern.",
"\"whilst the presence of several hundred parasitic eggs suggests **he or she** was riddled with intestinal worms.\"",
"I feel like they definitely will. I mean we go as far as trashing 90s fashion.",
"It's the second time I've this, is this a meme? ",
"Stick a long tongue, 3 stripes on the side and you have Adidas Predators.",
"Currencies printed by governments are lent out to banks who can make predatory loans to consumers while taking zero risk for themselves (bailouts of 2009 in US and EU), Through this creation of new money in the form of debt, it effectively steals from anyone who is saving currency to get ahead (inflation).\n\nPrior to 1970 the dollar was backed by gold and silver, which meant that there was tangible value tied up in currency and workers had an incentive to save money. Right now a dollar is effectively meaningless. \n\nWatch this half hour entertaining but informative animation for more info: https://youtu.be/tGk5ioEXlIM",
"Hypebeasts: “Yo fam on the real when’s the restock?! Must cop.” \n\n“Let’s get real here is this part of the new unreleased 2018 Off-white x Nike collection?! Can’t wait to see what Virgil does with this silouhette.” \n\n",
"Perplexing ",
"Sorry to hear, I hope things start looking up for you. ",
"Haha>This is the most exciting piece of excrement I've ever seen... In its own way, it's as irreplaceable as the Crown Jewels\".[1]>\n\n",
"Victorias Sneakrets?",
"Air Fuh-geddabout-it",
"Still better arch support than Converse™",
"Well preserved ",
"Air Hermès IV",
"Well well well.",
"The designer jeans at Nordstrom Rack often suck because of this. Some of the stuff really is clearance/outlet, but anything that comes on a big rack with many of the same pair in every size is definitely made for the outlet and is almost always crap quality. Ever pair like this that I've made the mistake of buying has ended up wearing out super fast, stretching out and getting baggy or losing it's shape, etc. Buying pre-owned/thrifted clothes that are actually the real deal is a much better value and last longer than brand new outlet stuff.",
"A shoe that lasts 2000 years? Nike hates this.",
"> After a while it can become an unconscious movement and it's definitely way less hard on the feet when running.\n\nRunning everyone naturally uses the balls of their feet-shoes or not. But walking it's just awkward and unnatural, unless you're going super slow- more \"creeping\" than \"walking\". Our feet just don't work like that.",
"I can see where Yeezy's get their inspiration from...",
"I get about 2 years out of my running shoes, but I probably shouldn’t and to answer your question with a question. Have you ever ran 4+ miles with cheap shoes? You only make that mistake once.",
"Vicky Streets",
"My guy just copped the Air Cesear One and lost it down a well. What a shame.",
"Well well well, how about that ",
"Even the Romans liked Crocs",
"/r/BuyItForLife",
"BIFL",
"I'm waiting for the Areni-2's to come out before I order a pair. ",
"I didnt get it until i clicked back, bravo",
"What’s that lassie?! Timmy fell down a well!? Woof woof!",
"TIL ancient Egyptians had really long toes",
"\"Speak hands for me\" is kind of like \"Just do it.\"",
"Woosh",
"/r/frugalmensfashion alert",
"I always presumed TK Maxx was so cheap as they just sell last seasons clothes. ",
"What proportion of workers in the west would go and do their jobs every day if they weren't getting paid for it (but had retirement income or whatever)? maybe 10-15%... \n\nThe other 85-90% are basically slaves. OK you're not owned by anyone and the law won't come after you if you don't go into work, but you don't have any choice other than to work in that job, or some other job, against your will.\n\nComplicit slavery?",
"Concrete it's not that good actually for monuments and big buildings. It's cheap, easy to use and handy but it's not that durable.\n\nNowadays we make lot of concrete buildings because it's cheaper to make a concrete building, demolishing it when it is too old and rebuild it again than building one made of stone, which is longer and harder to project and build, but if you plan to build a cathedral, a castle or something that is meant to last a lot, concrete isn't the ideal.",
"/r/frugalmensfashion alert",
"paleoscatologist Dr. Andre Jones\n\nSomebody give this guy a whip and a Spielberg franchise.",
"Bet the toga was made with more quality tho. \n\nEdit: Whoa! What are all these downvotes for? I'm in marketing and trust me...those Armani suits are more expensive and less quality than most suits you can get made by hand by traditional independent tailors. You're shelling out $$$ for a brand name but hey, if you'd rather do that I won't try to talk you out of it. ",
"That's how the ring started, she died for that shoe",
"now I imagine aliens wearing comfy red socks and drinking hot cocoa on a day off from building pyramids :3",
"That doesn't even look uncomfortable, I always imagined all shoes to be uncomfortable until the last several centuries.",
"/r/buyitforlife",
"No way I would last 7 days. 7 seconds maybe.",
"New Yeezys look great!",
"I remember those kids in school who wore payless. No one wanted to beat them up and steal their shoes, just beat them up. ",
"I was on a boat on my way back from India with some asshole named Chris.",
"[Basically this guy, you mean?](https://www.gq.com/story/real-life-diet-patrick-sweeney)",
"Their Dexflex flats are the most comfortable flats I've ever worn and last about 2 years, which is perfectly good for the ~$20 they cost. I have 3 pairs and they're the only flats I even bother with now because I've yet to find another pair less than $200 that I can wear all day and not have foot pain and blisters.",
"Hey fun unless fact: the name Collin derives from Nike",
"Yeah, there is a \"SaksOff5th\" in my local outlet mall that has a TON of actual overstock stuff from the real Saks, but it is all odd sizes, weird colors or styles, etc. They have racks of new stuff too that is obviously not the same quality.",
"This looks dope and all but why would you paint the soles. Those shoes must have been owned by a pharaoh or relatives. ",
"Some of my shoes haven't even lasted 2000 hours",
"Maybe. But, today items meticulously handmade are usually top of the the line and pricey. 2000 years ago everything was handmade. Kinda loses the marketing edge.",
"This happens in a lot of industries. The cosmetic industry, for example, sells the same product on both a wal-mart shelf for $5 and a high end department store's shelf for $50. The difference is packaging and branding, and maybe the incidental inclusion of a fakey ingredient that changes nothing about the product's actual use or effectiveness. \n\n",
"Socks and sandals since the dawn of civilization",
"You’d be pissed if lost your shoe down a well. More likely someone though it in for badness.",
"NO! DO NOT IMAGINE THE EVENT HAPPENING AGAIN. IT WILL CAUSE DISTRESS!",
"I legit own and still wear shoes in worse condition than this 2000 year old one. Romans really knew how to put shit together.",
"It's the second time you've whaaat? ",
"I would love to see the the bottom to see if it has some sort of tred ",
"Just burn it(c)",
"Caeseezys ",
"Well if the shoe fits",
"Well I don't think the Taco Bell runs will be able to fossilize",
"“In another news, this viral video going around supposedly kills you 7 days after watching it - let’s roll it again.”",
"Romans will take our jobs!",
"Lassy, erase my hard disk! - confirmed by google after I thought no way that's what they mean ",
"Crocs",
"\"same company making them\". Likely just made in a different shittier factory in China, etc. with lower wages and poorer conditions as well.\n",
"Well, and Italians.",
"2000 years down a well and they still look better than Yeezys.",
"The cut around the ankle is just like a modern sneaker. \n",
"*Fiddle de dum*",
"Well, that’s pretty cool. ",
"No.",
"[someone with bad hearing wanted their country to be free](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo)",
"Thought I was cool with my Polo socks from the outlet stores....",
"There's a rush on them in March. ",
"Is there a sub for well preserved old stuff?",
"Espacially the germans man, don't even guve tvem a reason for invasion",
"That's...that's actually a pretty damn fine-looking shoe! Bet the style could sell today.",
"I always enjoy these little tidbits of learning on Reddit. Thanks!",
"Crocs",
"looks like a fam",
"Shoe stores have always done that. The worker comes around, measures your foot on that metal device, then helps you find shoes you like in the right size. You can see it in action on Married With Children.",
"Yee always on r/me_irl",
"That's a 2000 year old antique, you expect to pay only $300 for it?\n",
"Those are really nice! I don't dig the pointy tip but still... ",
"We are smack dab in the middle of the Stupid Ages now and the cringing just won't stop. ",
"I hope this comment gets more attention. That was informative, thank you!",
"Oh yeah, long distance barefoot runners tend to be forefoot strikers for sure. But that's different than standing around like that ",
"These are back in style again lol",
"w2c?",
"Ever heard of Chinese foot binding?",
"That’s such a cool way to look at stadiums, modern colosseums.",
"Adidas.",
"I thought they were the Bellona AerMaximus 17ADs",
"Straight heat. Slap yeezy on there and /r/sneakers would lose their shit.",
"This is awesome!\n\nI thought they just had sandals, but this is a real shoe!",
"Very cool",
"Oh no... they got to them before they could finish telling us what the aliens didn't build. \n\n> pyrami...\n\nDo you guys think they meant to say sandwich?",
"Well, well, well...these look like some fine shoes",
"Painted so that you would always step on your enemies and slaves. ",
"i remember reading something saying people had more time back then. could be wrong though",
"Wonder if it has Goodyear Well(t) Construction.",
"cross post with /r/streetwear ",
"My first thought was to reply quick with \"But Roman concrete structures are still standing. Checkmate!\" But I thought better of it and hit tha Google:\n\nhttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-secrets-of-ancient-romes-buildings-234992/\n\n> Jackson and her colleagues have been studying the chemical composition of concretes made with Pozzolane Rosse. The ash’s unique mix of minerals appears to have helped the concrete withstand chemical decay and damage.\n\nThat, and a few other reasons are why Roman concrete appears to be best concrete. Interesting stuff.",
"Thanks for the new sub!",
"why do we pay rent for paper ceilings, padded floors and hollow doors. everything is made to break, it's called planned obsolescence ",
"So does Santa Claus.",
"Achilles was Greek. Just sayin'",
"They've definitely gotten a **little** better. Still wouldn't wear them.",
"Crassus just wanted the prestige and eventual triumph for conquering the Parthians. He was already maxed out on economic benefit. You should be throwing shade on GJC when it comes to wars for economic gain.",
"hahaha drumpf am I right? xD",
"The current population of Rome is 2.8 million, yea, some Roman's sole still roam the earth.\n",
"So this may very well be the shoe of some really rich guy? What would you say it's lacking to make it even more expensive? Like for an Emperor. ",
"Egg",
"They look like Dr. Seuss feet",
"Probably not.",
"They've been well kept",
"Wait, you don’t measure the size of your shits and compare them, and then have a monthly celebration for the biggest shit of the year? Just me? Ok...",
"So it actually is a potato? ",
"*Are pornographic vases addictive?*",
"Romans were on the brink of starting an industrial revolution many centuries before the first happened. The issue was their society was broken. All the money was in the hands of patricians but in the higher clases personally handling money was heavily despised. \n\nThe result was that romans had lots of money that just sat there or was used for trivial stuff and not invested into progress, furthermore, it was handled by people who didn't own it and didn't benefit much from using it effectively, so most of the richness of the empire was wasted.\n\nAll the impressive stuff like aquaducts and the coliseum were handled by the government, but just imagine what the roman empire could have been if they used their richness in the right way. \n\n",
"The Neiman Marcus and Off5th outlets that I used to live near had real designer stuff (as in Chanel and YSL runway clothing), but usually only one of each thing and sometimes they had a little damage. You could definitely tell from the material and construction that the products were high end, if you managed to find something you wanted. It sucks that outlet shopping has turned from a \"treasure hunt\" to racks of low-quality stuff.",
"After that long they might be a little pungent...",
"Is that were \"pleb\" comes from? Whaaaat.",
"What economic status would a person have been able could afford this type of shoe when it was made? From its beauty and craftsmanship I would guess it wasn't just your regular old Josephicus...\nEven 2000 years ago Italian (née Roman) shoes were stylin'!",
"Probably worth like 2 copper coins at the time, today it'll probably be worth $300.",
"Get yourself to Portland and learn from one of the best.\n\n\nhttp://laughingcrowe.com\n\n",
"Still looks better than Yeezys ",
"\"Hey Rufio, nice slippers!\"\n\n\"I told you Cassius, they're loafers, not slipp--whoooaaaaa\" *splash*\n\nThe rest is history...",
"[And now our parody of Mad About You entitled 'Mad About Shoe.' Gimme a kiss, baby. No tongue!](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbVwA9-W4AE3VQW.jpg)",
"To be fair, everything was fire.",
"The Parthians had quite some money, though.\n\nAnd Crassus endavour also founded an unneccessary struggle that ultimately dried out both empires.",
"hipsters worldwide are going to recreate this now",
"I'm sure this was worn by nobility or upper class. It's fascinating how much work was put into this. It's also crazy how some of the sneakers sold these days don't look much different than this. ",
"Monthly celebration for largest of the year? How's that work?",
"Must be Cornelia's or it could be Flavia's.",
"It'd be *Vici Airs* like Nike Airs. They're not Air Nikes. But still that doesn't make sense. It would make more sense as *Vici Air Max* or *Vici VaporAir* or *Vici Air [style name]*",
"Fleek Feet",
"... preserved condition",
"Found the dad",
"I'll negotiate a fair salary. Wear a tie!",
"You must really be Dutch. ",
"Something you might find in Snoop Dogg's closet",
"Subscribe to Roman facts!",
"Well, if you turn it sideways it is a cave.",
"*past",
"well well well what have we found here?",
"People pay way more than $200 for way less than 8 months of enjoyment. Are you new? If so, welcome to Earth! ",
"Maybe 2000 years isn’t as long as it seems.",
"I think he was a stoner.",
"No",
"Wow that is quality footwear.",
"I guess, maybe unaware complacency rather than complicit. I just don't think most have the time or energy (given its uncomfortable and depressing to think deeply about) to really challenge a system one is able to survive in relatively comfortably. But I'm sure a portion is complicit.",
":(\n\n\"Turn that frown upside down\"\n\n):\n\n\"Listen here you little shit\"",
"now that is a retro ",
"He chooses the largest one at the end of the year then celebrates every month after",
"Someone that works in a factory in Vietnam is nowhere near the definition of slave. ",
"Omfg ",
"It's beautiful. I'd wear it today.",
"How did it stay so well preserved?",
"It's always in the last place you look.",
"\"This is the most exciting piece of [shit] I've ever seen... In its own way, it's as irreplaceable as the Crown Jewels\"",
"Too soon",
"Oh that's German I'm from there",
"You might be buying the wrong shoes. That Roman shoe was made by hand by a skilled craftsman out of actual leather, not some synthetic garbage coated to look like leather. Want your dress shoes to last longer? Try a pair of Allen Edmonds' or Alden's shoes. Quality materials and workmanship makes a huge difference. They're not $30 though.",
"Imagine having some guy sitting there repairing a turd.",
"For sure. I just have the sense that glory was what Crassus was missing, and what Pompei and Caesar had more of, and that was a prime motivator for Crassus challenging Parthia. Of course the east seemed to always have riches to go with it, maybe until you get to Bactria.",
"BIRGINA ",
"WHAT ARE THOOOSE!!!???",
"Huh. I guess I thought they all wore sandals.",
"If there was ever a time when the joke was true, I think we can verifiably state that the guy this shoe fell off is dead.",
"My grandmother had a similar pair",
"Looks like that archeologist ... did well. ",
"Caezy’s",
"Your typing this from a phone or a computer that uses rare minerals dug up by underpaid and slaved out africans... wearing a clothing item that was probably made by a sweat shop worker. we can do this all day",
"You're mixing Shakespearean English with Latin. ",
"I met a guy on the beach on whatever island tiger woods got married. Anyway this guy spent 21 days in a well. Was not a pleasant experience. That poor shoe. 2000 years. ",
"Inb5 Kanye makes a version and wears it on your, releases it for $100 and then it's resold for $2000",
"nono. nothing like that at all. It's like here try this! here try this! even after we tell them no we are fine. Not like someone actually helping, like someone PUSHING you into getting something.",
"U need a mikrofone so ppl can hear u.",
"Not sure if historical reference but the timing in the comment is too good..",
"Place it was found is a archeological goldmine:\n\n\"In 2010, it was announced that the earliest known shoe was found at the site.[3]In January 2011, the earliest known winery in the world was announced to have been found.[4] Also in 2011, the discovery of a straw skirt dating to 3,900 years BCE was reported.[5] In 2009, the oldest brain was discovered.[6]\"",
"/r/trees",
"Pretty cool looking imo. ",
"\"He has given us a sign.\" \n\n\"He has given us ... a shoe.\" \n\n\"A shoe is a sign.\" ",
"Throw the shoe down the well\nSo my Country can be free",
"Dammit - i knew I'd left my brogues somewhere...",
"My dad thought he got a great deal on a pair of hiking boots for $30. He wore them on a 5 mile hike and threw them away immediately after because his feet hurt so bad.",
"It’s as if their feet are shaped the same way as our",
"what are those",
"I had a pushup bra that looked nice for years, but the lacey parts got fucked up real quick. Their lacy panties don't last long either compared to other brands lacey stuff. It's also over priced as hell and their little crotch liners on all their panties are impossibly tiny",
"Shoes have come a long way...",
"Been looking for that smh",
"Fascinating our shoes are basically the same design today.",
"Slaves were more often unskilled labor. This show was finished by a craftsman. Now, the cow the leather came from, the tanning of that hide, transportation, etc, may have had one or more slaves involved, but the actual production of the final product was by a skilled professional who specialized in making leather products. They also had a long history of using skilled immigrants in whatever capacity they could. It was only in regards to the Senate and operation of the state that only Romans could be involved in. The Patricians made up a rather small part of Roman society, with the majority being Plebeians (just below Patricians or middle class) and Freedman, and finally slaves on the bottom. Rome had a highly sophisticated and complex society and economy, which ran from England to Persia that was made up of more than just Patricians and slaves, with a few middle class merchants here or there. \n\nFeudalism really took hold as we understand it after the fall of Rome, when the protection of a large, centralized government could no longer offer the protection it once did, against Vikings or Germanic warriors, and local lords were able to gain much more power over their vassals. The decentralization of the Roman empire, and the lack for central leadership forced local lords into more economic and military responsibilities. The labor pool also became more localized, both as a matter of law and practicality. ",
"Well that's well preserved!",
"Judging by the quality, it looks like someone threw a Senator down the well and this is all that’s left.",
"/r/BuyItForLife would still argue that it's not enough lifetimes and the warranty is crap because the shoemaker went out of business.",
"wat",
"It looks well taken care off",
"It would be harder to patch a hole, repair water damage, access hidden pipes, wires, and utilities, or renovate, if your walls and ceilings were solid wood or masonry, not to mention unbelievably expensive to build in the first place. Hollow doors are just crap though I'll give you that.",
"I got a pair of these awesome fingerless cashmere gloves cheap from TJ Maxx, there were stitching errors on the back of the right hand. I'm homeless, I don't give a fuuuuck about cosmetic stitching errors. Now that they got that fuzzy worn look you can't even see it at all. They had the whole set (hat, scarf) but I already had those.",
"I have to conceed that especially Crassus wasn't primarily seeking wealth, at least not for himself. \n\nBut returning with riches to Rome would have defintiely increased his fame and influence. Which indirectly gives the economic aspect some sort of relevance in the motivational overall picture.",
"!subscribe batfacts ",
"I’m mind boggled they had the tools/time/resources to make something so fancy people 2000 years later would want a pair.\n\nWhat an amazing culture.",
"FYI, these were not actual shoes. These were ornamental shoes left in a tomb. You'll notice they are not made of leather, but painted clay ornaments.",
"Nike’s 2018 design sorted",
"👈 Quae sunt illae?!?!?",
"Biblical Meaning: The nameTimotheus is a Biblical baby name. In Biblical the meaning of the nameTimotheus is: Honor of God; valued of God.",
"This person's mom was probably so pissed.",
"It even has a watermark",
"Ceezies 2.0 BC",
"When in Rome if the shoe fits.",
"Taketh your upvote, and departeth.",
"Yep... It's Round 2!",
"\"made between 250 and 420 AD\" *cue Snoop Dogg music*",
"Yeezyeus AD‘72’s. The line was all the way around the coliseum for them. ",
"Really? Other then a few pairs of comfy boy shorts almost all of my panties are lace and none of my pairs are wearing down on me yet. I agree they're expensive, but they seem worth it to me as they last much longer then the cheap panties I used to get at Wal-Mart and Target. I do agree the liners are humorously tiny though.",
"Was there actually poor people 5500 years ago?",
"Some of us would consider running 4+ miles a mistake... \n\nI run 5 and 10K for the hell of it because I'm old and maybe I need some damn goals to keep my ass in shape but I'm miserable the whole time and consider it my mistake for the day. I can't understand people who enjoy running.",
"well the ones still standing at least. We only see the good designs, the shitty ones aren't standing anymore. ",
"r/wellworn",
"But aside from the aqueducts, and the coliseums, and the sanitation what have the Romans ever done for us??",
"Throw the shoe down the well &#127925;",
"What Lassie, Caesars in the well?",
"Slavery is literally the ownership of people as though those people are property like objects. It has nothing to do with work. And people aren't working against their will. They're working to earn a wage. Also, people can face serious psychological issues if they don't occupy their time with a job. So, no, 85-90% of people aren't \"basically slaves.\"",
"Cue ominous foreshadowing music.",
"WOW !!!! isn't different ... it's the same nowadays ... we're not create nothing just updating ...",
"Great. I have to agree to agree. ",
"that legit looks like a Nike soccer shoe",
"Now you shouldn't even get into who I'm givin' skins to\n\n\nIt's none of your business",
"Did they find sexy metal pants nearby as well?",
"The bigger the better",
"WoKe",
"The new Pontius pilates! Been waiting for those. Those babies exude power",
"Are there streamers? Champagne?",
"Is that one of the air Bethlehems that Jesus wore in game 5 against the Romans?!",
"I wonder if someone will find my crocs that I lost in a lake in 2000 years",
"That's Numberwang!",
"I’ve had sandals reminiscent of those to wear in summer with dresses. I would wear the shit out of those if they were somewhat comfortable.",
"Why ? Humans have had the same body types and levels of intelligence for hundreds of thousands of years.\n\nWhat was uncomfortable to me, was uncomfortable to my 50,000 x grandfather\n",
"Do they make fat jokes too?",
"Now ain’t that just shu-well",
"I know of a mummified dog that would fucking LOVE to chew on that bad boy.",
"My last pair of Adidas didn't last 6 months... ",
"Fastening technology has come a long way ",
"Ancient Rome is making its come back y'all.",
"It seems to be in well condition..",
"I prefer tulips",
"We're sending our shoes down the well",
"r/sneakers",
"Prior to Christianity taking over that is.",
"Was is this? Latin and Shakespeare?",
"Choices change lives, choose accordingly.",
"If it's been in a well for that long, what makes people think it was roamin?",
"Those yeezys ",
"Pretty sure they got that out of my wife’s closet.",
"They look like Cole Haans or Cole Haans looks like these 🤔",
"The other major difference is that the *repelled* arab invaders. ",
"r/buyitforlife",
"They've found makeup containers with logos on them from ancient Rome.\n\n[the Romans were surprisingly advanced for 2,000 years ago. too bad they put lead in everything though..](https://goo.gl/images/zvs5Qg)\n\nIt really took till the renaissance for us to start getting back to a similar technological level.",
"I can do it nowadays by hand, but I’m amazed they were already doing it with this much detail back then. All the punches and tools needed for it had to be all hand made too. (By a blacksmith rather than the shoemaker, but \n\nA lot of the traditional shoe construction techniques are hand only and haven’t changed that much over the centuries (the big changes are in the fashion), but I’m not sure how advanced tool construction was then. ",
"Third world poor is getting a hell of a lot better too. Markets are coming up in developing countries, people are getting connected through cell phones and the internet. I was working with smallholder farmers in Myanmar for the last two years and they went from bare subsistence to having smartphones in that time. \n\nWe are living in great times. ",
"Is this why Sports Direct are permanently having a sale?",
"Clearly, he was trying to say *chicken panini*. ",
"This shoe was rescued from the Well of Soles.",
"r/ancientshoes would love this!",
"Aldo's latest fashion statement",
"/r/ofcoursethatsathing",
"Man some poor guy lost his shoe in a well and never got it bacm",
"People like to belittle the Romans for their modern political purposes. But the reality is that they were the most advanced civilization on Earth for over a thousand years.\n",
"Or made by a slave for a slave",
"I cant imagine taking a shit that people will hang in a museum 2000 years after i die",
"You are wrong. There is no Babylonian proof of the Pythagorean theorem, nor even a formal statement of it.\n\nThe Babylonians knew that there were Pythagorean triples, and they implicitly computed the diagonal from the the sides of a right-angled triangle, but they did not write the theorem down formally.\n\nAlso, *charlatan*? Really?",
"Oh, to be a rich retiree looking for a hobby....",
"Yes, and you would have known that if you weren't a simple, uneducated pleb.",
"Did they? There’s still a store in my back woods mall.\n\nOf course, at the rate the mall is going, it won’t be open for very long, but the Payless is still there.",
"Sneaker heads like “ooohhhh he got the leathers”",
"They look ceremonial, so they might have been shared within the family.",
"The puns on this thread are really going deep.",
"I wonder what kind of cement they're using.",
"It’s a brogue ghilley. Google it. You can buy them today!",
"This isn't coming out of my ass, but a majority of slaves are hard labour, master craftsmen mpst probably made these good looking shoes.",
"The first Nikes",
"I ... I *guess*",
"Italian leather shoes are a 2,000 year old tradition.",
"That darn Crassus!",
"Any shoe makers here? Etsy this",
"Imagine being fired because you dropped a turd.... And failing to find another because you dropped a turd. ",
"Same",
"[Timmy in a well](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TimmyInAWell)\n\n",
"Those are in better condition than some shoes I've worn.",
"Thanks man",
"I wonder whose foot filled that shoe..?",
"Jeeez. Talk about being a head of your time. This is like the shoe scene from Jumanji.",
"It's funny how little shoe technology has changed (not talking about manufacturing).",
"And the toga was basically the equivalent of the modern day suit. Worn by men, typically well-off, as formal attire. So sounds about right.",
"No machines, but plenty of talented slaves.",
"Boost looks off",
"One of my favorite aspects of Roman History that's only a recent revelation for me is how fashion-savvy Romans were. Julius Caesar would famously wear his toga \"loosely belted\" and with fringe, which caught on among the \"cool kids\" in Rome like Publius Claudius Pulcher and Mark Antony.",
"Where in the world are Levis charged at $90? Granted, I haven't bought some in a couple years and actually need new jeans, but I have never paid more than about $50 a pair.",
"huh...did they? \n\nMore like the senate acted in their best interest and contrary to the will or need of the people if youre talking about Caesars death. \n\nThats alot like us . ",
"Not so fun if it happens to you, *is it*? That'll learn you to teach things!",
"I learned today that shoes are lingerie. I’m probably harassing a woman right now looking at her shoes ",
"That must have been made by the ancestor of Carl Bentley.",
"These actually look very similar to some recent cole haan sneakers that retail for ~$200",
"Kanye is gonna rip these off so bad...We'll see the Yeezy version of these in the spring catalogue",
"Shoe game on point",
"Only the British.\n\n",
"I wonder if this is the same thing as archaeologists finding a Roshe Run in an alleyway behind a Quiznos in the year 4000",
"What size are those?",
"That explains all the holes",
"Italians and their shoes, an age old love affair.",
"Was this pic taken at the roman fort outside bad hamburg in Germany? If so, I was there and I think I remember this, or something similar!!\n\nhttps://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g187334-d1160674-Reviews-Saalburg_Roman_Castle_and_Archeology_Park-Bad_Homburg_Hesse.html\n\nEDIT: Reverse image search says it was!\nEDIT2: Reverse image search says this is a repost, either way, still cool.",
"Victoria’s Secret",
"You can tell these are Roman because they have good arch support.",
"Which Gaius is that? ",
"That's why you buy lingerie made with studded leather and drop it in a well between uses.",
"Lol, but accurate\n\nRoyal family is trash",
"Yeezy season already??",
"When your job turns to shit.",
"Quality joke, recognized. ",
"Do you think they had brands",
"That was my thought exactly! Those are some cute shoes!",
"Cmon it was the Jews ",
"since my English is limited, had a look on Google image, I'm not impressed ...",
"Shoes really haven’t changed much",
"“Non-lasted-shoe classes!” ...in which we start by making a last of your foot, then classes in the basement/garage. \n\nMaybe he’s awesome but he might want to work on his website, that blurb makes anyone want to run for the hills. It probably only gets people who don’t know much about shoes. ",
"are you a fitness guru because that was a nice stretch. ",
"There may be some slight truth to some of this, but my experience is that many of the higher end brands are of no better quality. They simply have different tags. I go to a \"Clearance Center\" for Gap/Old Navy/Banana Republic and a few other brands that is factory rejects plus lots of discontinued stock. It isn't an outlet mall by any stretch of the imagination. But I've bought plenty of all three of those brands, which are supposedly different tiers of quality from the same parent company and my experience is that they are all comparable in quality. A pair of Gap slacks is not of any lesser quality than a pair of Banana Republic slacks.\n\nMost all of this stuff is made in cheap Chinese sweatshops by underpaid employees. Many products (not just clothes) are made by licensed manufacturers that make the same things for other companies to put their own badges on. Home appliances come to mind. ",
"2000 years old and still in better condition than some of this shit we're expected to buy now.",
"Italian shoes are very stylish.",
"Built to last",
"Roman history is pretty fascinating. I love The History of Rome Podcast.\n\nhttp://thehistoryofrome.typepad.com",
"Is this a shoe that your average Roman would have worn or is it a shoe that belonged to someone of a very high social class? With the craftsmanship involved I am guessing the latter but it’s fascinating to think about. ",
"Yes, peasant.",
"Plenty expensive/brand name clothes are also made in sweatshops so what does it matter, really.",
"so Jesus didn't wear Chacos after all",
"\"I've been looking for that shoe!\"",
"I would have sewn the smallest pebble into the heel of each shoe...",
"Pyramins. Gotta have your 5-a-day of pyramins or you may experience digestive problems and sudden urges to *kill*^**kill**^***kill***",
"I think you mean an ounce of gold?",
"Oh, yeah I can see how that would be annoying.",
"Still held up better than any modern day shoe ",
"I\nWas thinking all this plus somebody’s mother was like, “You LOST your shoe? How on earth did you lose your shoe? Do you know how much those shoes COST?!” ",
"Yeah, but he's a lyre",
"They won't be Roman far with only one shoe",
"> I have VS lingerie that still looks pristine after 2-3 years of use.\n\nnot to be picky, but this isn't a very accurate way to measure lingerie endurance. You could be British, and this could represent about 10 uses, or you could be my ex-wife, and this would represent about 600 uses with five different men.",
"Those are surprisingly nice!!! Very intricate details",
"Well the $200 shoes you bought at Victoria's Secret probably weren't designed for your daily commute. ",
"nice insight, thanks man",
"Very clean, my guy.",
"Jordans have come a long way. ",
"> seriously impressive (and astonishing to think it was over 2000 years ago)\n\n\nWe tend to think of ancient peoples as stupid or ignorant or simple, or at the very best, possessing only the crudest technology. This is not remotely true. Granted, they didn't possess the kinds of engineering, scientific, or medical knowledge we have today, but they were human beings, and human beings have *always* been remarkably clever, creative, and skillful.\n\n\nConsider the Anglo-Saxon [Staffordshire Hoard](http://www.staffordshirehoard.org.uk/staritems), which dates from the so-called \"Dark Ages\" of Britain. It is an *amazing* collection of beautifully wrought gold and precious stone-laden jewelry and weaponry. It's boggling to think that muddy, wet, medieval, dumb, brutish, Germanic tribesmen could make such things. But the truth is, they weren't like that, at all.\n\n",
"Well well well ",
"i wonder if it was standing on top of the well for a few weeks without being picked up. having been in greece last few weeks and seeing a single lost shoe, it does happen...",
"I thought her secret was she dresses like a slut?",
"They cost a lot of money...",
"Ancient Rome is so hot right now ",
"So there's a music artist/singer named Little Boots. Understanding the Roman Imperial reference makes her name that much cooler.",
"TIL That TJ Maxx is TK Maxx outside the US. Neat.\n\nWhile I can't speak to TK Maxx, the US stores do sell products that aren't just cheaper versions, usually overstock and liquidations.\n\nPerhaps the lower quality versions are the factory rejects?",
"“ALIENS”",
"Now its a thing, how it made it five hours was beyond me pm me if you wanna mod, your idea.",
"TIL that paleoscatologist is a profession. I now know my dream. ",
"> and looks like a literal potato compared to ~~the 2,000 year old one~~ *absolutely anything else* ahahah.",
"https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pd1lr/a_2000_year_old_roman_shoe_found_in_a_well/dsgt3dl/",
"How can I steal this look? ",
"This is now a reality in my mind. ",
"Oxfords, not brogues!",
"2000 years ago shoe how can be possible ?",
"Hah I have never seen this show before but it seems awesome! Thanks for the video clip!",
"Appears to be well preserved.",
"Do you accept bitcoin?",
"It's true, they're way better than Wal-Mart panties hahahaha and cuter too. Random story, the hospital panties I got when I got my tonsils removed are my cutest boy shorts. \n\nAlso I'm just gonna add about VS, maybe it's a hipster thing, maybe it's because they aggressively pushed anorexic bitches in my teenage consciousness to make me feel overweight at 5,8 135lbs. Whatever the reason, I've moved on from VS and now I spend the same amount of money on cuter matching bralettes and panties at nice little independent lingerie shops and sometimes Winners/TK maxxx and I'm much happier with the quality",
"And many of those are on government assistance. Go figure. Wonder why. ",
"This is so cool. I studied archaeology in school, specializing in the classical world. I always love finding reminders of the past that show how similar we still are. Shoes are one of those things that you kind of absent-mindedly put on without thinking of, but seeing something from the past that they'd have used everyday without thinking about makes me think about perspective.",
"Ancient guy working in cave, steps in big pile of sheep shit.\n\n\"Fuck\"\n\nPulls foot out, shoe is gone.\n\n\"God damnit, someone else can dig through that.\"\n\n5500 years later...",
"I'd say it's more trust fund babies than rich retirees. ",
"It looks like an over-patterned wing tip with no tongue lol\n\n[for reference](http://image.sportsmansguide.com/adimgs/l/5/582518_ts.jpg) same construction, two layers of leather with top layer patterned with holes.",
"WTF? It says 'casting of your foot' not 'last'...",
"You ain't shit! /s",
"I know nothing about shoes, other than I wear them. Also asking because I feel someone else will. What am I missing from your comment, I don't understand?",
"Basically Yeezys ",
"http://iruler.net/\n\nI just came back from shitting something just as thick and nearly twice as long. \n\nIDK what those Viking snobs are on about.",
"It surprised me to see the grommets. I don't know why, that could be the most common thing about the shoe even for that era, I just didn't realize it, one of those things I never even thought about.",
"Caezies ",
" The blisters!",
"My wife won’t buy anything there until she gets a coupon for a free bra or panty. Then, she won’t shut up about how great they feel. Then, a year later, another coupon arrives, and she says “I get another free bra, thank god because my old one is killing me!” \nWhat I gathered is that their underwear feels like heaven but don’t last long. Their sweatpants on the other hand can survive a nuclear holocaust. \n",
"Wicked Merrell’s.",
"So do you need money for your vagina, or do you need money to buy/rent a vagina?",
"Them new Yeezys 🥞🥞",
"\"and may be the largest example of fossilised human faeces ever found\"\n\nuhhh... who keeps those stats? lol",
"Sitting in my car cackling like an idiot now, pretty sure if there's anyone in the parking lot, they're going to think I've cracked. ...I mean, they wouldn't be wrong. ",
"You can Tell a Banana Republic \"Outlet Store\" version to their main store by seeing three stars on the tag. ",
"Not sure if you're serious or not but Victoria's Secret is that the owner is a dude named Victor. ",
"Shoobies",
"What are the chances that a jew wore that shoe and some roman just kinda pushed him down a well?",
"The OG Nike shoe",
"We are? \"Slaves\"???",
"They totally still do, but to have something like that you have to get a really expensive bespoke shoe. Then, you’ll have a shoe that might still be here after centuries in a well. Traditional shoe making techniques haven’t changed too much over the centuries, especially for the hardcore artisans who make minimal use of machines etc. \n\nThe mass produced crappy quality ones made of trashy materials just aren’t the same. It’s just that now you find those everywhere, people get them then throw them away; and the good quality ones are a luxury item most people don’t buy. ",
"Smells it ",
"Air Hermes.",
"But I absolutely need my washing machine, bed and car to be stained indigo. I can't accept outlet 514s that don't even bleed a little dye.",
"Craftsmanship.",
"Crocs yuck!",
"Looks like something you could buy on etsy",
"lol you really believe this shit? I'm sure there are some rich idiots who will pay millions for that shoe! ",
"/r/BuyItForLife ",
"Which is why I said the text on the site isn’t very good and would only get people who don’t know much about shoes. \n\nWhat he is describing, is making a custom last of your foot. Which makes him calling his method “non-lasted” kind of hilarious. \n\nA last is nothing more than a wood version of a custom casting of your foot. Many people just buy a ready made one, but making your own doesn’t make it stop being a last. ",
"[Air Bethlehems](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLsKyeYW0AEPW4U.jpg)",
"Maybe someone threw it down the well in a fit of rage. Or just to show how rich they were. Or someone did it to piss another person off. Or— and this is my guess— someone sat on the side of the well and took their shoes off to eat lunch and hang out, and accidentally knocked one in. ",
"Any department store like Macy's or JC Penney will sell for close to $100. Often on sale for around $60.\n\nLevi's now has multiple brand levels. You can buy them in Walmart for much cheaper but you supposedly get a worse product and only certain fits. ",
"Outfit of the Day!",
"I thought those were the new Yeezys.",
"The ultimate example of lost tech from the greco-roman era is the [Antikythera mechanism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism). \n\nAn incredible mechanism that calculated dates going forth thousands of years with precision, as well as positions of all five planets known at the time. (even though the solar system and Earth as satellite of the Sun was not even remotely established yet, they were able to predict the future motion of the planets from sheer collection of data).\n\nIt is often touted as the \"First computer ever made\". ",
" Paleoscatologist - sounds like a shitty job :/",
"where did you find this ? they look new to me. I guess it's reproduction. but based on what ?",
"Padded floors and planned obsolescence have nothing to do with each other. A quick, cheap alternative is exactly that. You'll get what you pay for, and of you expect it to last centuries, maybe you should have invested more.",
"I see. Well I always buy at Macy's... guess I'll just wait for a sale or something.",
"Well well well ",
"I came. I saw. Just do it.",
"The opposite could also be true though: I'm sure a lot of people absent-mindedly put on their shoes, but there's also a lot of people who are really into shoes, are picky about their craftsmanship, their aesthetics, and how they feel. The same could be said of people at that tIme, too. These could perhaps be something well loved, appreciated, or prided by the owner. \n\nI'm surprised as someone who studied archaeology that you jump straight to this object as being something the owner didn't even think about. Could be true, but seems like a big assumption. It makes me assume that you care nothing for shoes and therefore ascribe that feeling to others.",
"Is it gucci brand?",
"As a trade worker (electrician), I just think it's sad that nothing is built with the integrity to last the test of time. our society is built on the pretext of being disposable and that results in a shit ton of wasted material.. I'd just like to believe that there's a better way. either way, and if things were built better their wouldn't be a need to repair it in the first place",
"Pfft forget the shoe, let me know when they find an ancient gourd. ",
"Good Roman bread, for good Roman citizens.",
"That is amazing for 2000 years ago. Thank you OP.",
"[Air Diocles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Appuleius_Diocles)",
"You're going to have to wait until around the 1370's for that. It was armor that the swoosh first appeared.",
"Kanye will be wearing these tomorrow.",
"We lost concrete for like 1700 years",
"That explains that mummified dog",
"That ain't no shoe that's a croc",
"i’m with you. i hadn’t bought levi’s in years. went to look some months back. $70 was the cheapest at macy’s and penney’s. most closer to $100. for levi’s. idk where they got the idea that they’re worth that, but their not. their fits are not $100 fits, and they apparently don’t know how to properly taper. which is fine, for $50. for $90? i can spend $10 more and get a really great, perfectly fitting pair. best part? stores don’t accept any coupons or discounts for levi’s. must be something levi’s negotiated, but even with a macy’s store card where normally the buyer gets like 15% off - doesn’t apply to levi’s. no kind of store coupon or discount does, in any store. levi’s thinks they’re boujee. ",
"Good info, thank you.",
"I dunno; in my opinion they kicked the Bucket long ago.",
"I wonder if they had a guy like Hercules looking dudes where them advertising them as they walked around the city. Everyone be like Damn where can I get some kicks like that, or the typical I wanna be like that guy. Got to get some sweet kicks. But ",
"Awesome, I’ve always wondered what they were wearing back then. This is a cool post. ",
"Exactly. They might could build concrete viaducts but they can't superjump or rocket dash.",
" This is really changing his I view ancient people. I've heard about the Romans' advanced technology, but I thought it meant \"advanced\" in an \"aww, how good for them\" kinda way, not something that would be comparable to today's advancements. Electricity opened a brand new door, to be sure, but it's surprising to see the doors that were already open. ",
"Came here for this. Wasn’t disappointed. Surprised it was so far down.",
"Different dye colors, better padding, gold thread, etc. The Celts were making elaborate footwear out of precious metals around the same time, IIRC. ",
"Damn kids throwing shit down wells...",
"I read this comment holding a cup of tea with my pinky straight",
"Some of these shoes recovered even have a prominent maker's logo branded into them. Gotta have that prestigous brand to demonstrate your status y'know. \n\n",
"Whom tryna remake these n sell em",
"That broguing tho",
"I had a pair of those back in the day. ",
"The Crocus Maximus ",
"They prob just called these crocs ",
"Theyd go great with the rest of my Zoidberg costume",
"The heel shape is amazing. It's perfectly shaped and wouldn't look out of place on Wall Street. ",
"So we can just go to museums now and post shit in here for karma?",
"Imagine if someone found a Crocs shoe 2000 years later and put it on display in a museum haha",
"i can definitely distinguish old navy quality from that of the gap. ",
"People work with leather for millennia. I bet there was more leathercrafters back then than leathercrafters today proportionally.",
"At a time it could be flooded to hold mock sea battle. Take that, modern stadium.",
"WHAT ARE THOSEEE",
"No, I'm a chronic shit poster. I'm just here for the delicious karma.",
"Thank you for this... Also how pro are we talking (I really need some archery forearm guards and a glove or finger tabs for my shooting hand)? But also have a few other leather accessory wants relating to other interests",
"We are the fire",
"easily the most ensightful comment ive ever read on reddit",
"Maybe because people don’t take care of their things? Bras and panties should go in a little washable bag and washed on delicate because they are delicate items. Then removed from the bag before being put in dryer (panties you can probably air dry them) so they can dry properly. My things have last a long time, I wear small/mediums and B bras. \n\n\nI think also it depends on if you’re gaining weight it stretches them creating holes in the weaker areas. ",
"Some fashion nerd in /r/streetwear is sweating right now.\n\n\"C-c-could it be...? The rarest kicks of them all?\"",
"Do you think people never wore beautiful things in the past?",
"Honestly, that's the most stylish shoe I've ever seen. I can't think of a single running shoe that looks half that good in the modern market.",
"He’s making his blurb sound really gimmicky by claiming lasted shoes are stiff/uncomfortable... then proceeds to say they’ll make a custom cast of the person’s foot and build the shoe around it. \n\nA last is a wooden (or often plastic, nowadays) version of the custom shape/cast/etc. if your foot. So what he’s making is a last, then building a lasted shoe around it. Exactly what he was railing against in the line before.\n\nIt’s like he’s saying “cars with motors drive really badly, you should avoid motors! My revolutionary method I teach in my basement will show you how to build a machine that makes your car move! [proceeds to describe a motor.]”\n\nSo his blurb only works for people who don’t know how shoe-making works. \n\nThe truth is, if you buy a crappy last or one that differs a lot from the shape of your foot, yeah, your shoe will be uncomfortable. But that’s the issue, not using a last. High end shoes would use a custom last made to the exact measure of the customer’s foot. \n\nPretty much all normal shoe construction uses a last. Including his supposed “non-lasted” classes in his garage. \n\nWhen you know this, it sounds quite funny. \n\nI’m not dissing his skills, maybe he’s good at his specialty, but that site blurb is nonsensical. ",
"Ya rite I saw these at goodwill yesterday.",
"I don't know what a Yeezy is so I'm going to assume that's this.",
"Ok...but did they have socks!?",
"Hi Stewie. ",
"Romans actually invited gods from other cultures to their city, like Isis from Egypt. So it is entirely possible that Romans worshipped or knew of Nike.",
"Fac io!",
"Slavery gets shit done.",
"2000 years from now people will be surprised how intricate our pixels are.",
"It doesn't say 'last', dude. Go back and read it again. Lol.",
"Las Vegas, Fashion Show Mall.\n\nI just walked right out of the store when I saw the price tag. And it’s not even like FS Mall is high-end or anything. It’s only a step up from the Las Vegas Outlets.",
"This guy bobs",
"Ionian footwear. Sadly, so obvious. ",
"Oui",
"The owner's lost this shoe so they must be dead, right? ",
"Stylish, the Roman time period is fascinating.",
"swageth",
"Niet",
"I think one thing to recognize is that a lot of craft and trade during Roman era really surpassed the following centuries up until the last few hundred years.\n\nHell ancient Rome had more sophisticated water/sewage systems than London did until the late 1800s.",
"But can you imagine all the people who unknowingly drank shoe water for those 2000 years? ",
"I has bobs. ",
"So cryptocurrency cant be used for predatory loans?",
"Good dog, Lassia. ",
"\"Wow! Looks like we found some ancient era beef stew!\"",
"I bet they were wondering where that shoe went. ",
"L’il Bootz",
"\"Throw the shoe down the well; so my country can be free!\"",
"I know! It’s simply lovely and the attention to detail is knocking my socks off.\n\nPun intended. 😁",
"*thou",
"Looks remarkably like wingtips.",
"Is that broguing on the Roman shoe?",
"This is what I was thinking. I'm pretty sure they where capable of making complex goods with beautiful designs. But if you look this shoe, it's pretty much like a shoe today. All the parts and techniques we use today were present there.",
"Whenever I see stuff from Roman times, I can’t help thinking we would be a lot further ahead in life if people like the Saxons hadn’t turned up and trashed the place. ",
"Rumor that this is the creator\n\n\nhttps://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/marriedwithchildren/images/7/79/Wikia_MWC_-_God%27s_Shoes.png",
"I don't understand all the downvotes. I just learned the origin of a word today. Then again, English isn't my first language. It's not that common in second or third language studies to discuss the origin of all the words. \n\nEdit: I know what the damn word means, but one can’t possibly sit and know the historical origin of all words. ",
"That’s a what a last is dude. ",
"repost\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4s5q6c/roman_shoe_found_in_a_well_saalburg_2000yearsold/",
"You must grab him by his horns...",
"Easy to say when you have good choices to choose from. Not everyone has the same set of choices.",
"Well, they dropped it in a well.",
"It matters that people are being exploited and abused. It's wrong and if there was some place to buy clothes that were not manufactured by people who are being exploited by wealthy bastards like Ivanka and so on, I would buy clothing there instead. But the only alternative I see right now since all clothing I know of is manufactured in the far east is to run around naked. And setting aside the legal implications of that, I wouldn't inflict that sort of scene on my fellow human beings, even the ones I don't like. It would be cruel and unusual punishment.",
"Poop knife ",
"Hipster girls are gonna start wearing this in like a week just let it get to tumbler... ",
"Still looks better than Yeezy’s...",
"\" what are those?!\" ",
"\"TimOthy?\" \"Pre-Zent.\"",
"Nero’s to say....it was lit for a while",
"Roman gladiators would give product endorsements in the arena before fighting. \n\nThis was going to be featured in the movie Gladiator, but the directors decided to cut it from the film as they feared viewers would think it was an anachronism.\n\n[Link](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator_%282000_film%29#Historical_authenticity)",
"I'm pretty sure I had a pair of these from Delia's in middle school.",
"You're trying very hard to discredit the ancient Greeks, with very frail arguments (e.g. proof of the Pythagorean theorem). Greeks such as eratosthenes discovered prime numbers, an algorithm for generating them, approximated the circumference of the Earth, the distance to the Moon, developed euclidean geometry, reasoned about irrational numbers, and much more.",
"If I was this leather worker I'd shit myself knowing one of my shoes has survived thousands of years and is now in a museum. ",
"I had thought left and right shoes were invented during the Civil War or at least, around that time. This looks like a left foot shoe.",
"But can you drink Baileys from it?",
"The leather you add now is for durability or aesthetics?\n\nI use leather shoes from vivobarefoot that purposefully don’t have that. These shoes look a lot better than theirs, but it’s hard to find nice looking shoes that don’t force you to heel strike or smash your toes. ",
"Very informative, many thanks",
"Where can I buy one..",
"It has a window to view your fancy socks too.",
"do be do be do...",
"Those look pretty stylish. What were these modeled after? Art or where they replicated from remains found?",
"You're right, which is a great point. I'm obviously projecting my biases onto this (shoes aren't something I usually go out of my way to discuss), and that's something that I do try to avoid. But as you can see, it happens a lot regardless. That's why we have other people share their perspective, as it helps us to determine biases from both sides and come up with a more complete story.",
"Can you imagine in 2,000 years, people will be putting your Croc's in a glass box?",
"W2C",
"Til we didn't change shit about shoes for 2000 years",
"Learn what words mean. Then go back and ‘read it again.’\n\nA “last” is a technical term for a shape of the foot, which you make a shoe around. **It’s what he’s making his students build.**\n\nHe’s having people build lasts of their feet to make shoes around, while dissing that same technique when it goes under its proper technical term. That’s what’s funny. ",
"[WHAT ARE THOOOOSE?!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H89WkFUG2U)",
"Just wait til you hear about the redundant claims they put on olive oil to get people to buy it. Some brands sell themselves as \"cold-pressed\" but part of the process of making olive oil is that you have to keep heat low. Every olive oil is cold-pressed.\n\nSaying something is \"first cold-pressed\" made sense the way they used to produce it, now it's *technically true* but just straight up redundant and irrelevant.",
"As long as there were possessions there was a difference in wealth and status",
"Yeah that story makes more sense now. I guess some people were born to lay massive logs ",
"it's a shoe. It would be kind of nice if there was a link to something ABOUT the shoe",
"Thank you for sharing that insight. Absolutely fascinating to imagine a master cobbler slave working on this 2000 years ago. What a powerful image!",
"Oxfords, not brogues. \n",
"Boots found at Vindolanda site in UK. They're replicas. If you search for \"Vindolanda boots\" on Google Images you get an idea of the originals.",
"Well, well, well...",
"YEEZY",
"Perfect to show off hand-knitted lace socks. No, seriously! I knit myself a pair of yellow lace socks and I’m sad I don’t have hole-y shoes to show them off.",
"These are quality shoes. Looks like they belonged to someone with taste and money.",
"Fashion trends keep coming back",
"Im not surprised they could make something like that. Efficient mass production back then would be impressive though. Is there anything from those times that was efficiently mass produced, I wonder?",
"They’re not all lower quality goods. Usually the real estate at these outlet malls is pretty cheap so I’m sure that helps with being able to have more discounts/sales ",
"I think it just continues to prove that humans have not suddenly gotten smarter or better at solving problems, we just have a larger body of knowledge to start with and more prolific education opportunities. \n\nThe person that made this shoe probably spent a life time making shoes and any craftsman that does the same job day in and day out and was also taught by someone who did that thing day in and day out is going to be really good at it. \n\nAlso if I recall my history of rome podcast at one point didn't they fix family professions such that if your dad was a shoemaker you'd be a shoemaker and your son would be a shoemaker and so on?",
"The original retros",
"Really nice and fashionable shoes",
"Let's hope Kanye doesn't find out the Romans were stealing his designs.",
"It's well preserved!",
"Everyone is missing the real question - is this shoe impressive because they had high standards in the past or because we have low standards in the present?",
"That's a cool looking shoe. ",
"Nice shoe, but I'd love to also see a Roman boot.",
"I know the designer to a high end brand and she told me that they make cheaper versions of the same clothes (cheaper material) to be sold at their outlet stores. I knew then that you’re definitely getting what you pay for at outlet stores. These are not amazing deals. ",
"Somewhere a dead Pharoh in the Duat is complaining that his afterlife shoes are uncomfortable because they were made from baked clay.",
"They spoke Greek more often in the early days. Nike wouldn't be so out of step. ",
"Are... you trolling them? The cast in question is what a \"last\" is. The site in question claims to use a \"non-lasted\" method but the description of the method is literally what a last *is*.",
"The Holy Roman empire is very different from the ancient Roman empire... Not the same thing in any way, shape, or form, just a similar name. They had different territories (the HRE extended northwards into Germany and the surrounding areas, while the ARE extended across the Mediterranean into Greece, Spain, parts of western Turkey, and northern Africa).",
"Romanes eunt domus!",
"I can’t understand people who enjoy poisoning themselves with alcohol and tobacco, to each his own I guess.",
"What are those! ",
"The original croc",
"“May I refill your Pepsi?”",
"Roman Air dunk 5’s, nice.",
"I smell la [chancla!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH5rkSG_Hqk)",
"The brain hasn't noticeably changed in all that time. You have every bit the potential to be just as impressive. The world is yours; grab it by the neck, tiger!",
"“Quality sales”... What quality?!?!",
"Con permiso!",
"Unless it was Tikki Tikki Tembo-no Sa Rembo-chari Bari Ruchi-pip Peri Pembo",
"This is beautiful. Thank you for posting",
"Pretty sure I've seen some basic chicks buying this exact model at Target.",
"Made in China ",
"It says those shoes were discovered in 2008 though, way after Batman Begins came out...? ",
"I mean, victory also makes shoes, so",
"“But mom, it was an accident! It’s not like I threw it down the well. Now let’s just go to the agora and get new ones.”",
"W2C",
"Wow they had really great shoes for back in their time. Now I see where Yeezys get their design from with all the holes!",
"Look like my old rugby boots from school \n",
"What you describe is no different than all the milk brands that claim “our milk is from cows not given this and that hormone!” (even though the hormone is illegal in the area and none of the brands on the shelf have it). It’s marketing BS but it’s somewhat simple. \n\nWhat the guy is doing is similar but noticeably more ridiculous than that, because he’s outright dissing lasts and lasted construction, then describing his method, which is exactly it, making a last and constructing a shoe around it. \n\nIt’s beyond irrelevant and redundant, and enters straight into the comical. Like saying “our bikes don’t use wheels! They use radical new devices we invented, the round propulsion circles!” while showing a perfectly normal wheel. \n\nOn the surface it sounds similar to the olive oil thing, but if you’re into shoemaking and its techniques, it just sounds extreme and ridiculous. ",
"That's fucking awesome and amazing! ",
"We have the option to not work in a factory for next to no wages. Do the makers of these cheap good have that choice?",
"Someone so take up the challenge, replicate a pair of these shoes on video by hand and publish it on youtube!",
"It still is the case with most of the product at Nordstrom Rack. As a former Nordstrom full line employee, I can’t tell you how much merchandise I’ve carried to the dock to be sent to the rack. While there are some cheap Rack exclusives, most of it is just last-season stuff from full line.",
"Ah, gold thread. Gotcha. I thought maybe they'd use jewels, but that sounded kinda impractical, unless they're tiny. Thanks for your answer! ",
"It’s called “Vorfußlauf” in German and according to this https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorfußlauf it is pretty common in certain areas around the world where tentative movement is considered advantageous.\n\nThe article also mentions that it is neither advantageous nor disadvantageous in running sports, and while the majority of professional marathon runners is used to the “common way” of running and most shoes are built for it, some prefer this “Vorfußlauf”.\n\nUnfortunately, there is no English version of the wikipedia article available.\n\nSo while not everything the guy in the video claims may be true, it might be probably not as bad as you think.",
"Upvoted because my dog’s name is TK421",
"Counfusingly, Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus Germanicus, aka Caligula. He was named for his more famous ancestor. Romans loved reusing names.",
"I've got some pants and jackets I've had over eight years from outlet stores. It's not always so bad to save a little cash.",
"TIL romans wore crocs",
"Except now they're made by children overseas! ",
"Wow. Shoe design really hasn’t changed much in 2000 years...",
"Now imagine how pissed off that person must have been when their shoe fell into a well. And also – what did they do with the right shoe? Have an identical left made? Keep it on their mantle next to their shrines to their ancestors?",
"He lost his shoe. [He dead](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/1s3fnq/he_lost_his_shoes_dead_he_kept_his_shoes_alive/).",
"God damn crocs",
"Oh, well.",
"“Game 7.. Romans and the Gallic. Who will be victorious? ",
"That’s just solid marketing for whatever brands jumped on that first. Sorta like lucky strike cigs with “its toasted”.",
"How do they know the age though? Speculation, or carbon dating?",
"> Didn't the world lose the recipie for concrete for about a thousand years after Rome fell? \n\nLOL, we *wish!* Roman concrete wasn't the same as modern concrete -- it was superior. We *still haven't* rediscovered how to replicate it.\n\nEdit: I decided to double-check, and it turns out that we might have finally figured it out [a few months ago](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/07/04/ancient-romans-made-worlds-most-durable-concrete-we-might-use-it-to-stop-rising-seas/). Not centuries; not years; *months!*",
"Wow and my nikes are destroyed after 3 months",
"Benagelt == cleated.\n\nI had already edited my post to reflect outsoles and not the literal translation of running/walking soles.\n\nHave a nice day.",
"And?",
"> horrible by the way\n\n/r/lewronggeneration ",
"Every planet is just named “Jesus”",
"I think they shopped at target. ",
"So, did shoes have left and right feet?\n\nThis certainly looks looks it, but I've been told separate feet is a new thing...",
"This is a really interesting question. I look at the skills my great grandfather had, my grandfather, my dad, me and my son. It seems we are becoming less skilled. We create less are, less music, less writing. The reason seems pretty clear as well, we have so many brain dead pastimes such as TV and gaming that we don't have prolonged hours of nothing in which we can learn skills.\n\nI suspect that the roman artisan was a lot quicker than today's assuming no cheating using automation. ",
"r/malefashionadvice ",
"direct link to image http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/threaded/files/2012/10/Pair_of_socks_575.jpg",
"Repost\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4s5q6c/roman_shoe_found_in_a_well_saalburg_2000yearsold/?ref=share&ref_source=link",
"sandals not shoes",
"Ah, I get it. And now I can chuckle at the comment",
"What are thoooooose",
"Still says \"Made in China\"",
"You could as one of the history/historian subs. They would know.",
"Stone & Concrete. Obv. ",
"This just goes to show you that people 2,000 years ago really weren't much different than we are now. ",
"Speak for yourself. They have no opportunities to improve their lives, many of us have no opportunities to do so either.",
"The romans were significantly more advanced than many countries today",
"I don’t even need to start the video to see that this guy is full of shit. ",
"Dang. I don't even think I was born then.",
"Never really occurred to me that, at some point, that reference may need some explanation. I guess they all do eventually, but this may be the first one that kind of delineated my age. ",
"> Romans were on the brink of starting an industrial revolution many centuries before the first happened. The issue was their society was broken. All the money was in the hands of patricians but in the higher clases personally handling money was heavily despised. \n\nI don't think it was just that; I think it was also the abundance of slave labor. Who cares about making a labor-saving machine when labor is cheap?\n\nWhat will really bake your noodle is that Romans had both the [steam engine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolipile) and [gear mechanisms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism), but never bothered to hook them together in order to do work.",
"That actually looks really well-made.",
"Awesome",
"This is either fake, or a shoe Personally made for the Usain Bolt of the time. ",
"Some things about this strike me as \"off\". \n\nThe eyelets for one. Now, the Romans had the ability to craft mail - so I'm not worried about the ringlets themselves, but more how they appear to be attached to the surrounding leather in a modern fashion - crimped perhaps? \n\nAlso, the curvature of the shoe along where the ankles would be and the heel support seem \"too modern\". \n\nThe laces themselves are definitely contemporary and simply added for effect, so that doesn't bother me.\n\nDoes anyone have more information on this piece as to its authenticity? ",
"Damn you, that was going to be my comment.\n\nI'll have to think of some kind of \"roamin'\" joke now. I'm just going to scrap the whole thing.",
"ah the original Caezzy boosts \n\nJulius Caesar was a fashion genius ",
"Like really pro. But, guards and finger tabs are pretty easy. I guarantee there's a good leather guy in your neck of the woods, where ever that is. LOTS of people still work custom leather. Any custom boot maker, or saddler could do it, no problem. ",
"It's pretty bizarre to think of a 'special case' of the pythagorean theorem in the same vein as 'special relativity.' ",
"Is that the new adizeros",
"Yeah I love outlet stores lol ",
"Best comment on this thread",
"I wear 510s and they’re never on sale in dept stores but Levi’s own website will have them for $40-$50 sometimes ",
"> I’m mind boggled they had the tools/time/resources\n\nTools - Very very nearly the exact same tools we use today for this, if it's being done by hand. The metallurgy is better, so the tools last a little longer, but aside from that, the tools haven't really changed. \nTime - No TV. No books (this master leather worker was probably illiterate). You start learning a trade like this probably around age 10-12. You might even start doing grunt work around the shop a tad earlier. Hours and hours doing nothing but shoes and leather working detail. You don't often get a day off. You get good. You get quick. You continue to do this for decades. You can make a lot of fancy shoes. \nResources - The main resource involved here is work. As /u/downtownsexyhound mentioned, the Romans kept a lot of slaves. They had man-hours.",
"So almost nothing changed in shoe technology the last 2000 years?",
"RIGHT!?! I'd have loved to see this shoe brand new. I bet it could walk on a cat-walk any day. ",
"I thought it was a Simpsons reference. Oh god I am unrefined",
"Holy shoe",
"IT will be seen at a store near you soon... no doubt",
"Paging /u/poem_for_your_sprog ",
"No one thought to keep digging for the other shoe and the corpse they came from?",
"I bet 100 bucks that some uninspired stylist will copy the shoes design and sell it for 1000 dollar",
"Well the Roman Empire was speaking greek at the time, so it kinda works",
"Huh, new Yeezy's.",
"Intricate leather shoe made by hand. Well worth it.",
"#yeezys",
"Three years? I should be so lucky! I barely got a year or so from a pair of jeans before they wore out.\n\nConversely, my father owns Levis he’s had since the 60s and 70s that are still going strong! They quite literally don’t make them like they used to.\n\nI’ve recently (about a year and a half ago) started buying jeans from Duluth Trading. So far, no sign of wearing out. I’m pretty impressed! Fingers crossed these can be some “lifetime” jeans like my dad has!",
"It actually doesn't look that hard to me, especially when you consider that back then they didn't have distraction like TV, phones, radio, etc. You had so much time to hone your craft.",
"Timmy, in a well. \n\nShaka, when the walls fell.\n\nThat works. ",
"This is definitely a \"handed\" shoe. notice how the design centers on the peak of the foot, and the outside line of the design is so close to the ground? This shoe was made to lean to the arch of the foot. Master craftsman for sure. ",
"*dele",
"https://youtu.be/owI7DOeO_yg\n\nThis skit is my favorite by them. Reminds me of some conversations I've seen on Reddit",
"hilarious",
"The crazy thing is how similar they are to modern track shoes, 2000 years and hardly anything has changed. Granted it's not as if there's a a lot you could do to change it's design, but it's still pretty neat.",
"It looks... well made 😆",
"better than big baller brand shoes",
"When are they gonna release the Areni-2s? \n",
"W2c??",
"> Then again, English isn't my first language.\n\nI really hope your first language wasn't Italian, French or Spanish either.",
"Well well well, what do we have here ",
"I want these trainers. Do they come in black?",
"Everyone had croc tans back then",
"Crazy! Further evidence to me that humans have always been damned clever. Or was it just that volcanic material happened to be a bit more easily available to the Romans and their concrete's durability ended up as a sort of happy accident?\n\nSomeone else replying to me said modern concrete is made cheap and with the intention that the structure would be torn down and replaced after a few decades. Perhaps it's a combination of not knowing the full \"recipie\" for Roman concrete and the whole modernist \"disposable\" tendency?",
"That’s no shoe. That’s a foot bag. ",
"[These are still in fashion in Indian Subcontinent.](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/21/e0/8a/21e08a267402938f73130385f5e21d0d.jpg) ",
"Yes, special relativity is a much more involved idea.",
"Honestly, leatherworking isn't *that* difficult and its a great bit of fun. Check out r/leatherworking. Im a total novice but even ive made myself everything from sandals to a suit of armor!",
"Augurs hate him!\n\nThis legates campaign went well will no blessing.\n\nBuy this clay tablet to find out why!",
"> They’re so long that they look as if they could fit Shaquille O’Neal’s famous size 23 feet—if his feet were also really narrow.\n\nI would really like them to say \"in modern American shoes, the owner of these socks would have worn between a size X to Y.\" (including width in that answer.)\n\nKinda bummed I can't find the answer, and they're statement seems more of a joke, than actual size comparison. \n\nedit: http://collections.vam.ac.uk/item/O107787/pair-of-socks-unknown/\n\nThe length of these socks is listed as 18cm, height listed as 25cm. Since I'm assuming those are backwards, 18cm = US childrens size 11.5 and 25cm = US men's 7.5 \n\nThis person should probably not be writing for the Smithsonian. They are very normal sized socks. ",
">paleoscatologist, Dr Andrew Jones, made international news with his appraisal of the item for insurance purposes: \"This is the most exciting piece of excrement I've ever seen... In its own way, it's as irreplaceable as the Crown Jewels\n\nI'll get to work, I will make my Earl Grey, I will enjoy reddit while... goddamit reddit, I have a day to get on with....",
"I would love to know the narrative for how the show found itself down a well. Lovers quarrel? Was it thrown at the GWB of the era? So many questions.",
"It's amazing what you can accomplish when you're not glued to a screen all day.\n",
"Doubly so if you sit on reddit whining about your lot in life.",
"You're now the prime suspect should this shoe come up missing.",
"Easy there Gibbon. \n\nLet's not go all Julian the Apostate here. The spread of Christianity was a multi faceted thing.",
"That shoe is really cute!",
"The main thing I see is that they had figured out how to punch holes in leather and were looking for a way to use that... everywhere.",
"I thought 2k yrs ago they barely had thong sandals if that. ",
"iirc Below the Patricians were a wealthy class called the Equites. The plebeians were the next step down.",
"Keep in mind that back then, labor was the cheap part. Materials were expensive.",
"I had a pair of boots I got from Macy's and wore them for a day at Disneyland. Well there was an all day drizzle while we were there and by the time I got home the sole on one of the boots had separated. ",
"Showed my friend a similar pic a while back of Roman shoes and he was amazed not at the state of preservation but that people \"back then\" cared about fashion. I think it was a big moment for him lol.",
"> the most impressive part of this shoe is the TANNAGE\n\nIs it possible that this shoe looked worse 2,000 years ago, and it just looks the way it does thanks to aging?\n\n> Even today, a shoe with this level of hand work would be $1000+\n\nHow long would it take one skilled person, once you have the pattern and have made a few of these for practice? I suppose when you're making one at a time start to finish it would take quite a while.",
"I would wear the shit out of that! That is fucking stylish af",
"[Air Vicki](https://thumbs.gfycat.com/LargeFrankBeardeddragon-max-1mb.gif)",
"It means baby. \" poor baby fell in a well\" is what he was sayingl, but in Latin. So that makes it funny",
"WHAT'RE THOSEE",
"/r/buyitforlife",
"I was going to say is this from TJ Maxx?",
"Wonder what that Roman would think if he knew his shoe would be in display a few thousand years later.",
"Seems like they are $45 at Macy's or $45 at the outlet store for me.",
"Sure isn't. It's roots are from the north Germanic branch. Swedish is my native language.",
"Your name is Poor Timotheus?",
"Purple or red dye, jewels and whatnot.",
"A similar technique is employed here with modern shoes, with the exception of adding the sole. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/mXKo0h-PYUc\n\nContrast this against relatively modern shoemaking machinery. While the machinery is faster, and perhaps better, the \"Art\" is lost. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/5SOeaRKY_vs",
"We didn't have as much recourses, knowledge and machinery to make shoes then as we do now.",
"I'm not saying they never say no... but they never say no.\n",
"I'd rock those today, man. ",
"Caesar was hilariously corrupt.\n\nThey all were. He was for the people insofar as he could use them as a tool. It's not like he gave much of a real shit about the capite censi. Caesar was a Julii, the elite of the elite. He was establishment more than anything. \n\n",
"Madewell*",
"Slavery is pretty cool",
"All leather running shoes? Sure, I'm in. Where do I put my money?",
"Arguably. The Roman empire lastet 1500 years. That's pretty good, considering. Or maybe that's not long term enough?",
"Cop or Drop?",
"Full brogues, Roman style, would you say?",
"An article with details: http://www.openculture.com/2016/07/fashionable-2000-year-old-roman-shoe-found-in-a-well.html",
"I have several clients who make hand made custom shoes & boots. It take about 16-20 man hours to make a proper pair of shoes. ",
"My kicks barely survive a week this survives 2000 years ...",
"HA! Don't look in my wife's closet!!",
"Them joints clean ",
"Original MJs 1 ",
"I actually was buying Florsheim and they stay comfy for a year for $75ish. \n\nI bought a pair of handmade San Antonio Shoes last week for $195 and tool them to a local shoe repair place who told the sole sucked cause it can't be repaired but the leather upper was extremely well done. He did all the conditioning and polishing and added sole protectors (first ever)\n\nI will look into Alden's and Allen Edwards. I need a pair of black shoes and I want something that can be repaired and will last for years. Thanks for the recommendation",
"Studs were commonly used to prevent the soles frommwearing out, a feature used in military shoes up until rubber soles became widely used.",
"They sell this shit at Ardenes ",
"higher quality than nike",
"Maybe but not necessarily. Custom hand worked stuff is expensive today because of the age we live in but through all of pre-industrial revolution human history it was the norm. Even a peasants clothing was custom hand woven and carefully stitched together by hand. Higher end historical textiles were generally about the materials rather than the craftsmanship. Rare dye colors and rare imported raw materials (like silk) were the mark of wealth.",
"Did the Romans even *watch* Rick and Morty?",
"All’s well that ends well. ",
" > As of 2003, efforts were underway to reconstruct it\n\nReconstruct could also mean that the scientists are eating more and more in order to replicate a turd of that magnitude.",
"Is it the perspective or is it a left shoe? I always thought left/right shoes were a fairly modern thing.",
"Thanks for the info! ",
"Do you think Allen Edmonds shoes are worth $400. Does men's dress footwear have any hidden gems you know of?",
"I dunno, I feel like they figured something out there. \"The left shoe is $8, but if you also want the RIGHT shoe, that'll cost you $300\"",
"It's used in Swedish too, though. \"Plebej\" - or \"pöbel.\"",
"Given that this is Reddit, it could as well be a reference to /u/poem_for_your_sprog given how often 'Timmy fucking dies' in her poems. ",
"surprisingly stylish and sophisticated. ",
"[Air Hercs](https://media.giphy.com/media/vADI0p5A8UHKM/giphy.gif)",
"What 2,000 years of well experience looks like.",
"r/sneakers ",
"To be fair, lesbians and bisexuals certainly exist.\n\nBut to also be fair, you're probably right. :)",
"U sure this isn't a pic from Value Village?",
"bird people illuminati confirmed",
"You’re probably just a youngin’ - can’t fault you for that.",
"\"Sh...Sharon....SHARON!!!! COME IN HERE!!\"",
"Yea I've studied some Latin and Roman history. When I hear \"Gaius Julius Caesar Augustus\" I always immediately think of Augustus, first emperor of Rome. But then there are like 20 more emperors named Gaius throughout history...",
"Straight out of Winterfell.... I mean winterwell.",
"Lol. Silly dork. It's because you said this:\n\n> It's the second time I've this,\n\n",
"So limited release?",
"You must be quite the shoe salesman..",
"Yes",
"I don't at all doubt it but I am curious as to how they know this is a Roman shoe? Carbon dating??",
"My wife would like the details in these historical shoes.",
"LEAKED: NIKE's new Hypervenom 18 A.C. boots!",
"It'll be sold by American Eagle in 2 years",
"Throw the shoe down the well! So my country can be free!",
"\"I'll take two left shoes!\"\n\nEDIT: Downvoted by a dancer... apparently.",
"Yep. Interestingly in the 2000's the big difference would be (for gap as an example) the outlet clothing would be made in Vietnam or Malaysia whereas Gap proper would be made somewhere central America. Same look, but clear differences in quality. ",
"Then you would probably get your username",
"Have a look at the myriad of shoemakers from St James', London. They'll run you a fortune, but they're the best shoes you'll ever get. ",
"Imagine what Crocs are going to look like 2000 years from today",
"We didn't start the fire",
"I think this is the understated point of this thread. Roman's were the technological height of human history. When the Dark Ages came it took 1000 years, while still in the Iron Age, to regain the lost technology. I've read some estimates that if the Roman Empire had not fallen we would likely have had computer technology for like 900 years. I understand that is a possibility and not a fact. But, they were advanced.",
"How do you determine the age of a shoe like this?",
"Runoff now. \n",
"Would rather buy those than a pair of yeezys.",
"This guy cobbles.",
"Various sized hole punchers",
"stuff like this only shows that ancient cultures were far more advanced than we typically believe.\n\nI wonder if the current invasion of islam on europe will create the same effect - people in the future will look at a european made item and wonder how all the muslims managed to figure out how to make it",
"Oh I thought it was referring to the Unlucky Redheaded Kid meme HAHA of course it's Lassie!",
"Quite the shoemanship",
"What happens if you do a shoey?",
"Caezees.",
"It always amazes me when people think that our human ancestors, who've been modern humans for at least 100,000 years, *weren't* skilled and competent craftspeople. I mean, flint knapping was a craft hominids had down pat 2 *million* years ago, and once you have a blade, fire and a big brain, it's all just experimentation from there. And that's not even discussing fiber crafts which just require learning to tie knots.\n\n",
"While it looks like it in the picture, it's probably an illusion or may have taken that shape through wear. Historical shoes were most commonly \"straight-lasted\". There are probably exceptions to that, it's certainly the norm. Correct shoes are frequently the hardest part of a costume to source if you are doing historical reenactments because of the lasting.",
"New style in 2018 in 3....2...1....",
"I'll take psychic premonations for $1000 Trebek",
"WTC? ",
"Yum.",
"ancient yezzy's?",
"The shoes industry is ready for a disruption!",
"Lol. I picture Sammy all pouty faced, \"I lost my shoe...\"",
"2,000 years ago sounds about right.",
"Crocus impervius",
"Not dry enough for my tastes.",
"The restoration and preservation on this is incredible. Way to go!",
"Emperor Little Boots. I’d vote for him. ",
"There are Canadian and American companies that make their clothes in their respective countries that you should look into.",
"When I read that, I assumed he was talking about manufactured shoes' lasts, not custom-made shoes. ",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDTZ7iX4vTQ <-- relevant.\n",
"\"And here we have a 1 thousand year old historic record of the early years of our beloved Taco Bell we all hold so dear today. TACO BELL! TACO BELL! TACO BELL!\"",
"*Willie Mays?* *Who's gay?*",
"Interesting information on the tanning! From what I understand as well regarding the sole, is this has largely to do with the fact that western humans started walking differently very recently with the advent of hard soles. We used to touch with are toes/ball first, now we slam our heel into the ground when we walk because we give no fucks and would rather slouch. Can't do that with soft soles.",
"Hey, look, my username is spelled correctly.",
"Cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin have a pre-defined cap on inflation. That means banks are not able to simply print more of them to loan to customers. Instead, like the old days, banks will be forced to pay the people storing their bitcoin a nice, high interest rate. \n\nThis creates an incentive for consumers to save up their wealth and save it for a rainy day, because not only can they earn a meaningful amount of interest, their purchasing power goes up over time (due to the scarcity of the currency).\n\nMost importantly, in an economy where debt and inflation are limited, we won’t see the same type of boom/bust recession or depression that happens as a result of too much borrowing where everything collapses. We also won’t be burdening our children and grandchildren with trillions of dollars of national debt. ",
"Was at Macy's yesterday, $50.",
"Our descendants will probably not be as impressed when they excavate yellow and orange Crocs under the ruins of North America in 4018 AD.",
"Nah we don't watch people murder each other for sport. At least not in real time. We prefer that it happens further down the road due to concussions ",
"\"Throw the shoe down the well\" - Not Borat ",
"\"Romanes eunt domus!\"",
"Looks like a shoe from the Payless '95 collection /s",
"Caeezys",
"And a lot of the time there are Christians outside shouting sermons to the people going inside, which also happened in ancient Rome. It's remarkable how little has changed with regards to sporting events and culture in the last 2000 years.",
"cant tell if this is a jab at Obama or Trump lol",
"Actually, it IS from the Simpsons (and probably other) references. Timmy never fell in a well:\n\nhttp://www.lassieweb.org/lassfaq.htm#well",
"Source?",
"Eventually. It took them forever to knock of Caligula after they waited for the last possible chance on Ceasar.",
"Very good points. \n\nIMO, that is one of the hardest things we have to do as a species (and as an individual) today is to resist the attraction of entertainment/complacency and to continue on a path of self-improvement.",
"Weren't the Julii poor and not even that well connected? \n\nIt's with and after Caesar that the Julii became powerful, and not even for long (Nero was the last one? so like 4-5 emperors before they lost all prestige). ",
"Even the shoe quality was better back then.",
"https://youtu.be/63CgHZKtmzw",
"Boost looks off",
"We wuz tribe will claim it in 5 4 3 2 .",
"Sears carries 510s in the ~$40 price range.\n",
"in about 2000 years, they will properly have a nike shoe at display somewhere.",
"Pikes",
"...daily.",
"This is clearly Nike’s Roman counterpart ‘Victoria’.",
"I know certain amputee that would like to spend $80",
"*disabled **or** poor.\n\nI am poor, but not disabled, and right now can not afford any shoes until probably May.\n",
"Whenever I see stuff like this, and having toured some Roman sites in Italy and studied the history a bit, I'm increasingly convinced that the Romans were on the cusp of the industrial age before their decline. It just seems like if one guy could have gotten a steam engine working before the aqueducts were destroyed, we could have skipped like 1500 years of history. ",
"looking nice..what a art?(remember 2000yr old)\nhope they find a pair...:)",
"Them boi’s are fire ",
"I am not sure about slaves of the Romans not taking days off. Taking days off was kind of sacred, and keeping slaves all out of sacred things would have been excessive by their standards.",
">In 1991, York Archaeological Trust employee and paleoscatologist, Dr Andrew Jones, made international news with his appraisal of the item for insurance purposes: \"This is the most exciting piece of excrement I've ever seen... In its own way, it's as irreplaceable as the Crown Jewels\" \n\nAmazing. Humans are awesome.",
"So basically like most store brands....made by existing manufacturer/producer/etc but with a store brand name or a generic label. \n\nHowever, the formula / design / quality are not always the same. You may get a lower quality version of what they normally produce. ",
"but Batman Begins was set in the early 1990s",
"so Romans wore crocks . . ..",
"Sorry, Portland is full. Maybe try Bend?",
"Wow, that shoe actually looks really awesome. I'd love to see some shoe company remake that for today.",
"The beginning of a long and dry rabbit hole of well jokes.",
">~~craftsmen~~ ~~cobblers~~ cordwainers of yesteryear were amazing",
"Rocking them Tiberius VIIs",
"I read that with Kowalski's tone. It made the answer even better. ",
"*History until the mid-20th century was written by the victors.",
"found in the well",
"looks washed ",
"Worst part of being a slave was when the slave roller coaster broke down on your day off",
"Given that most artifacts are found this way, and old wells were often turned into them; was this shoe actually found in a poop chute?",
"where's the second one ?",
"You know those 1950's secretary heels with the super sharp pointed toes? \n\nYeah, my grandmother's feet look like Voldemort's if you went at them with a hammer.",
"The romans definitely had a lot of money and a lot of money can buy you a lot of slaves to do your cobbling.",
"I'm American (not sure what that matters) and wear the same 10 or so pairs, wash, and then wear again 1 pair 1 day at a time. They get used often.",
"Saving labor is still helpful, you don't pay slaves but still have to feed and shelter them, which comes at a cost. \n\nTo be fair i don't think that that primitive steam engine could have been exploited for any pratical purpose though.",
"> TK Maxx\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TK_Maxx\n\nTIL...the UK has TJ Maxx but it's called TK Maxx there.\n\n\n>an investigation found they were being made at a lower quality with lower quality material so the consumer was getting ripped off just the same. It's the same company making them, just making a shit version to sell at discount stores.\n\nA lot of outlet stores (at least in the US) work the same. They market it as if they sell you the same thing that is sold in regular stores but often those are specific models for outlet and often lower quality versions. So the Tory Burch outlet store often sells models of purses that aren't sold in the regular boutique store. \n\n",
"i call bullshit",
"Giordanos.",
"How do you know THIS wasn't made by a machine!?!?! All the leather machines were destroyed in Pompeii",
"must cop that old well shoe",
"Wow. TIL.",
"They even advertised themselves in gladiators' clothes.",
"On a related sidenote: If you have any posture problems at all or knee or back pain, give barefoot shoes (aka minimalist shoes) a try! They adress exactly that and are made for a more natural gait. Since I've switched, I haven't had any trouble with my knees and lower back, which both hurt most of the time before.",
"or: my son's brand new Nikes after wearing them for a week and a half",
"Very good point.\n\nContinues to click on reddit.",
"Of course they're made better than today's. So embarrassing",
"Still looks better than a Yeezy",
"From the latin \"Jordanus Airus\"",
"Some branches of the house were less well off, but the *gens* were absolutely the elite of the elite. Literal descended from gods kinda elite. \n\nThe nomen Julius would always open some doors, if not all. ",
"Caesairs*",
"Why did Constantinople get the works?\n",
"I thought the same thing! I wouldn’t even consider my foot all that wide, but I still have issues with toe boxes being too narrow. I always had this notion that ancient shoes were more anatomically correct. This shoe tells me that’s not the case :(",
"I'm looking for a gift for my aunt",
"OG Supreme 👌🏼",
"> It matters that people are being exploited and abused. \n\nWhile there are indeed specific situations of abuse, this whole 'exploited' argument is pure bullshit most of the time. You just don't like the idea of jobs being created in poor countries that pay $2/day. However, these jobs are a huge economic gains to these people and these countries. It's how they eventually rise out of poverty....you don't go from making $1/day to $100/day just like that. You need to take on $2/day jobs and then $3/day jobs and etc. \n\n ",
"BIFM (millenia)",
"The shoe is the sign. Let us follow His example.",
"How did something that's leather survive for so long in wet so conditions? I would thought it would rot it pretty fast, not preserve it.",
"Wouldn't it have been awesome? We'd be travelling the stars by now...",
"Its actually a pretty cool looking shoe. I would wear it!",
"Nice yeezys ",
"If you think those look similar, you should check out the Jordans and Air Maxes they were wearing back then. It’s mind blowing.",
"I would wear these over some Crocs. ",
"Wert art thine?",
"Resound the anthem",
"What are those!!!",
"🎼throw the shoe down the well🎼",
"... as our what?",
"Walking down the streets of Pompeii you can see how little has changed in the Western world in 2,000 years. These shoes are an even bigger reminder.",
"Hmm! Maybe we should try that in the US. We have plenty of people in poverty right now.",
"Any idea how big they are? Wonder how they compare to foot sizes today. ",
"That thing is in better condition than most of my footwear ",
"Cobbling is a craft. All you did was use a more specific term.",
"What are thoooooooose????!!",
"Mark Antony was just the Marc Jacobs of his time",
"Yeah, we used to do leatherworking with punches in Girl Scouts and we made patches and belts that looked pretty similar to this shoe.",
"You can buy that shoe at Payless ",
"Sweet vintage Air Spartacus!",
"~~Username does not checkout.~~ Username is checking me out.",
"[We've nicknamed them, the Prometheus and Bob tapes.](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/kablam/images/9/96/Screen_Shot_2015-04-30_at_11.46.22_AM.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/336?cb=20150430164336)",
"That well looks an a lot like a museum. ",
" r/buyitforlife may like this one.",
"Or Boise?? Or might I suggest a lovely town called but Detroit...",
"As a shoe maker I can tell you those are even harder to make then you would think. Hand stiching alone is rediculious.",
"I've been really happy with Johnston & Murphy. My first pair lasted five years with near daily use. Onto my second pair now and they feel great a year in. Only about $150, too. ",
"They'll probably be finding Jordan's 2000 years from now!",
"Air-Hercs!! Lol love that movie lol the original “what’re those!?” ",
"he what?\n\n(A: this)",
"Oh ok my bad",
"Cheers. \n\nI remember something about how Caesar came from rather humble upbringings (relatively speaking of course). \n\nWhat do you mean by *gens*? ",
"Good idea. Do you know of any that don't make you look like you smell like wet hemp and granola or have an allergy to meat?",
"Pfft, QUAE SUNT ILLAAAAE",
"And to think my Nike's fall apart after a month.\n",
"Wow. Looks just like a modern running shoe. That’s cool! Thanks for sharing.",
"I think we found the new Yeezy shoe design. It will fit in well with all the other crap Kanye West sells to his moronic fans.",
"Me too. Way too intricate and leathery to be 2000 year old. I've seen purses in the 60s and 70s that looked like that. /s",
"I was going to say soccer. I swear add studs and you have my adidas Messi cleats sans color. ",
"Allen Edmonds can run over $300 a pair. I have some, and they are excellent. They are hard to find, though, and you need to visit one of their outlets.\n\nJohnston & Murphy are almost equivalent in quality, but they are easier to find. (Most Joseph Bank stores stock them up to size 12). That way you can try them on more easily. They tend to go for around $200.\n\nI'm cheap about most things (typing this on an 8-year-old laptop) - but not about shoes. If you're trading in your Florsheim's every year, you will save money in the long run. \n\nIf you have high arches/insteps/wide feet, check out Born, Echo, Merrell, and New Balance, too. ",
"Right? I was surprised as well.",
"Oxfords not Brogues",
"Anyone familiar with Jean Claude van Damme's oeuvre would understand this distinction.",
"Beat me to it",
"Gucci gang gucci gang Gucci gang",
"How tacky",
"In our oart of the world, payless has been opening new stores left and right\n\nEdit: stores from shores",
"A trade, sir, that I hope I may use with a safe conscience: which is indeed, sir, a mender of bad soles. Truly sir, all that I live by is with the awl.",
"They color scheme is definitely gucci. ",
"[But the simpsons did do it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4HTvVM3U3U)",
"Very well, then it's death by boola boola!!",
">York Archaeological Trust employee and paleoscatologist, Dr Andrew Jones, made international news with his appraisal of the item for insurance purposes: \"This is the most exciting piece of excrement I've ever seen... In its own way, it's as irreplaceable as the Crown Jewels\"\n\nSo... how much is this turd worth?",
"orrrrr someone that works for themselves and saves money? Cause I'm neither one of these and I have some friends in portland. Sounds like a kind of cool vacation.",
"Still better than crocs",
"nice timbs",
"Made from fine Christian leather.",
"PILATE: So, your father was a Woman. Who was he?\n\nBRIAN: He was a centurion in the Jerusalem Garrisons.\n\nPILATE: Weally? What was his name?\n\nBRIAN: 'Nortius Maximus'.",
"Wow, 6E! EEE here ... I should stop complaining :)\n\nAre there any brands besides Lem's that you look for?\n ( [Zappos lists only 97 6E items ...](https://www.zappos.com/men-shoes/CK_XAXoC2ASCAQKBGMABAuICAwEYDw.zso) )\n\nI find that Born and Echo have wide-enough toe boxes for me ... and I assume you've found out about New Balance already for athletic shoes, which apparently goes up to 6E.",
"Romans actually had a great deal of holidays throughout the year that even slaves were allowed to forgo work to celebrate.",
"I’m sure you’re more than like ",
"DEADASS 🅱",
"It was so informative, I was starting to fear someone plummeting sixteen feet through an announcer's table.",
"Slave culture back then was a lot different I think. It was widely accepted even by the slaves themselves. It would be better than being homeless and hungry. They were viewed as a prized possession and treated as such, so I'm not sure a slaves life was quite as bad as it sounds, especially if you were kept by someone rich and well off who kept you in food and shelter.",
"Ceazzy’s",
"where 2 cop?",
"I don't believe that this shoe is 2,000 years old by any stretch of the imagination especially not if it was found at the bottom of a well.",
"That's all well and good, but where's the other shoe?",
"And gonna isn't a word. Jackass. ",
"Oh, that I agree with, but the thing that made me think this was a wealthy man's shoe is the pattern holes. I'd assume a peasant's one would lack these details.",
"And some asshole lost it in a well.",
"Hey that’s actually stylish. I like. ",
"I personally like vivobarefoot, [they've got some very decent models](https://www.openpr.de/images/articles/l/9/l90790668_g.jpg). One thing you have to live with is that they have a pretty wide toebox, which is awesome for the feet, but not so much for the eyes.",
"The greeks had a cool bit of hardware: it was a clockwork computer, effectively, that they used to track the stars and predict events such as eclipses.\n\nhttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/decoding-antikythera-mechanism-first-computer-180953979/\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism",
"Not sure what you mean by 'try that'. The needs of a wealthy nation are far different than the needs of a poor nation",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idVcVYbserM",
"Can someone tell me how a multi century old leather shoe is so well preserved?",
"The dream of the 0090's is alive in Portland. ",
"Nike going to drop a Roman God/Goddess line that looks mighty similar to that",
"Repair any stitchings, give it a shine and give it a hefty price. You’ll see them on the streets being worn eventually ",
"Romani Ite Domum!",
"Wow. That is much more intricate than I expected. ",
"Its a used shoe. How many more wears can you possibly expect to get out of it? /s",
"The new gucci?",
"> The main resource involved here is work. As /u/downtownsexyhound mentioned, the Romans kept a lot of slaves. They had man-hours\n\n\nIf you're super rich. If you're not, it would be pretty expensive to dedicated this much time from one of your slaves on shoes. \n\n",
"A 2000 year old Italian shoe found in a well.",
"They look Italian",
"There are kids in Africa who don’t even have shoes. Yet we keep this one on display for everyone to just look at ",
"For being made such a long time ago, it has aged rather. . . Well.",
"nah son these the new yeezy season 5’s.",
"Hot hot hot hoooot!",
"Boy them hoes CLEANNNN",
"Payless Shoes was around back then?",
"Pretty sure they were referring to the trade. ",
"8 inches long and 2 inches in diameter. Holy hell, that's a serious log",
"Pretty much",
"What we're seeing is the remains of the shoe leather secured over a wooden frame to give it shape. What was found was probably a scraggly piece of leather. Deprived of the frame, it would probably flop into a shapeless mess again.\n\n",
"I know. Really shit job.",
"While there are indeed specific situations of true slave labor today with abuses, this whole 'exploiting' argument and calling it slave labor for lower wages is pure bullshit most of the time. You just don't like the idea of jobs being created in poor countries that pay $2/day. However, these jobs are a huge economic gains to these people and these countries. It's how they eventually rise out of poverty....you don't go from making $1/day to $100/day just like that. You need to take on $2/day jobs and then $3/day jobs and etc.",
"The real Latin is always in the comments.",
"I just woke up so I'm gonna take that as sincere and say thank you.",
"While there are indeed specific situations of true slave labor today with abuses, this whole 'exploiting' argument and calling it slave labor for lower wages is pure bullshit most of the time. You just don't like the idea of jobs being created in poor countries that pay $2/day. However, these jobs are a huge economic gains to these people and these countries. It's how they eventually rise out of poverty....you don't go from making $1/day to $100/day just like that. You need to take on $2/day jobs and then $3/day jobs and etc.",
"You should use quotation marks round \"gonna,\" moron.",
"I like the thought of someone pointedly stealing a single shoe from their enemy while they were in the bath or something. You come back to find only one shoe you know someone did it just to piss you off rather than to wear the shoes themselves. ",
"I is I had a wife like Peggy",
"Looks like a dope soccer cleat",
"I wonder if the owner of these shoes once said \"I need a new pair of shoes. These have a scuff mark on them.\" and chucked them down the well.",
"They don't make them like they used to... ",
"in ancient times most all people that weren't royal or political classes were considered slaves. That being said I believe a leather worker like this might have more freedoms than say a grain laborer.",
"If you want to get technical, it’s cordwainers. Cordwainers make new leather shoes, cobblers typically repair/resole them. ",
"Radiocarbon dating can be used on many organic material. So yes, it can definitely be used on leather.\n\n",
"This is the Roman empire, they were super wealthy and advanced. They even had their own obesity epidemic, though it was restricted to the upper classes. They didn’t have engines, which makes everything harder, but they were about as sophisticated as a pre-industrial society could get.",
"The intricate design and workmanship amazed me",
"They look like crocs. No wonder the Romans went extinct",
"Beautiful.",
"Makes sense. But I would have thought that any remains of leather would have rotted away after a couple years. ",
"Sick Air Neros. Where's the Off-White version? ",
"Still too soon to mention Ferrari's championship man... What shit luck this year",
"Reebok would include an *un*intentional misspelling.",
"Someone needs to make a modern version of that shoe. Same design, except with hard leather at the bottom. I would pay a good price to be able to wear shoes from a 2000 y/o design.",
"Still looks better than what I wear, even after 2000 years.",
"Probably there were some specific circumstances around this particular artifact that caused it to be preserved in this way when it was submerged. You're right that it does seem odd the pattern would be so well preserved, but we've found far older organic material preserved in recognizable condition.",
"Or alternatively, we can finally stop this whole self improvement nonsense and watch TV.",
"Wow! I wonder which of my work will be randomly displayed at a museum 2000 years from now.. ",
"The Romans also had to work really hard to prevent slave revolts, that meant a balance of harsh punishment for rebellious behavior and rewards for obedient behavior. They got time off, money, even freedom frequently. And then were executed wholesale if one of them fought back against their master.",
"Good thing it wasn't Betamax...",
"Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.",
"What a croc!\n",
"So people have been drinking that guy's foot-water for the past 2000 years, eh? Neat.",
"And if they had all that shit, imagine how far it goes back for all this stuff to get invented.",
"How does one do that?",
"I worked at the britches warehouse in high school. I was in shipping and receiving.They had three different stores. Britches of Georgetown, which sold high end stuff like Hugo Boss suits and stuff. Britches Great Outdoors, which was kind of like Abercrombie with backpacks, good quality stuff, lifetime guarantee, but kind of pricey. Then there was the \"outlet\" store. The clothes there were made to look just like the clothes from great outdoors, but they were the cheapest junk imaginable. No lifetime guarantee, and the first time you'd wash and dry a polo shirt it would get all twisted out of shape. Absolutely nothing at the outlet store was from great outdoors. ",
"Goodmillennium welt?",
"The weirdest thing to me is those socks are like size 23 or something. Who was wearing these crazy socks? ",
"Cute pump",
"Depends on what kind of slave you were. An accountant or teacher belonging to a wealthy man and living in the city did quite well. If you were farmer on a plantation or, god help you, a miner, then your life sucked as much as any slave’s. People committed suicide to avoid being captured and enslaved. Being a Roman slave was at times better than being a slave in another society, but the Roman empire was still built on mass amounts of suffering.",
"Or how about how common these must have been for someone to just through them into a well.",
"Caesar 11s",
"What do people belittle the Romans for? They along with the Greeks were basically the foundation of Western civilization ",
"So are these male or female shoes?",
"Could be your dad's shoe for all they know",
"Hey Niko, it's your cousin Roman. Let's go bowling!",
"Steve Madden is a fine traveller. ",
"I wonder if someone was being bullied. \n\n\"Haha, I threw your shoe down the well!\" \n\nHow else does one shoe get down a well?",
"Still fresher than the latest Jay's",
"this could be crossposted to /r/Leathercraft \n\nfolks there would definitely appreciate it. ",
"I was so confused... I thought someone just really hated lloyds bank ",
"I figured out that the Nike outlet near my aunt’s house gets some test items. My husband got a running pullover there a year before it appeared on their website or at other stores, and I have two pairs of shorts that I bought “end of season” there that were released 6 months later. A lot of stuff there isn’t test, but it was interesting to see the few items that were. ",
"> I’m not sure how advanced tool construction\n\nCase hardening and fairly tight precision files were well in use during the construction of the antikythera mechanism, which was around 125 BCE. Don't need a whole lot more than that to get the other tools.",
"Probably can sell for $68 at DSW.",
"Roman crocs ",
"I read that and I'm still not understanding the significance of this turd.\n\nIt it just that it's, like, really old and therefore must be valuable? Or is there something we can actually learn from it?",
"I wonder if someone found them before but just presumed they were hipster shoes and just left them in the well?",
"That shoe is straight fire. I would totally wear that.",
"Shouldn't it be \"burn my collection of private paintings.\"",
"How can you not know this?",
"Must cop 😩😩😩😍😍😍",
"Well...what?",
"The dream of the 1890s is alive in Portland!\n",
"... if they managed to construct the antikythera mechanism, I think they were well aware of how to punch leather to make a breathable track shoe. ",
"What are thooosseee???",
"We are the children",
"tbf tapered/uncomfortable shoes can serve a purpose. If my climbing shoes were splayed to preserve my feet then they would be absolutely fucking useless.",
"W2C?",
"It looks like the type of soft minimal shoe I'd love to try out.",
"Obviously the solution here is to get enslaved.",
"Couldn’t agree more. Discipline!",
"No, the vacation. I just don’t have the time and money to do something like this. Maybe someday. ",
"I don't think alot of young Chinese children speak English...",
"a shitload of cash",
"Air Jeezys",
"*i'd've",
"True. Their vacuum tubes and airplanes were impressive.",
"Terrible for the soles",
"Looks like a bunch of hipsters in my town were staring down that well. ",
"Its my shoes",
"You have that word in Swedish too though.",
"We had to rediscover how to make concrete in the mid 18th century.",
"Sketchers and Steve Madden will be releasing their versions in a week.",
"Gap actually has a legitimate outlet store near me, but they call it the “Clearance Center.” It’s an amazing place. Anything returned out of season or stained, anything defective, anything that didn’t sell well, and anything with a production mistake from any of their brands ends up there. I bought two cashmere sweaters that would’ve normally been $70 each for $1 each because they tagged a bunch of mediums as extra small. You have to check everything over before buying it, but it’s easily worth it for some of the deals there. The other Gap outlets seem to just be lower quality Gap stores. I also noticed that when one of the stores near here was closing, it also seemed to be more like the outlets than an actual store. ",
"hell, you'd *feel* it.",
"Ummm, isn't a cobbler a person who repairs shoes and cordwainer is a person who makes new shoes?",
"Well, feet are exactly the same, so...",
"Now that's some cool ass expensive shit man",
"$300 is not that bad for a class",
"Fucking crocs. ",
"Ahhh, and I thought I was so smart.",
"I know I'm just trying to be a silly ass.",
"You’re right; it’s the time. Starting to think more and more about my retirement dreams. Absolutely sounds like a fun vacation/hobby. ",
"A couple of obol (gold coins) for Charon and you can do that.",
"The rest of our clothes have changed, and our bodies are still the same",
"Honestly we need a new shoe design - that has to be one of the oldest designs for a shoe that we still use.",
"DELIA'S!!! I loved them so hard. So many nights circling items in the catalog and sighing while imagining how cool I'd look, or how a fuzzy carpet and inflatable chair would really jazz up my bedroom lol",
"Throw the shoe down the well. So my country can be free.",
"Psh. Same company, different branding. It's like the special models of TVs they sell at Walmart- \"lower quality\" parts in some places, or lack of a specialty HQ audio jack when the main model has one, but it's the same TV for less. The TV part is key. This here's the same shoe.",
"Kickin' it Old Testament ",
"Wel well well, that is impressive craftsmanship!",
"We are the youth of the nation",
"Why would you arbitrarily limit the growth of an economy to the production of a resource though?",
"> You get out of poverty with education and social environment\n\nWhere does that money come from? Trees? Seriously dude. \n\n\n>You don't get education while working 8+ hours a day for a shitty salary.\n\nThose already working are lost. Even in the the US, how many people go back to school after 30? It's about giving those people jobs NOW and building for the future by increasing tax receipts via more business. \n\n>But please, tell me more about that Capitalism that will make the world a better place.\n\nExtreme poverty fell from about 40% in 1980 to 10% today. Much of that is because these dirt poor countries took on jobs that paid little...then things got a little better and the asked for more...then things got a little better and the asked for more...\n\n\nDo you understand economics? ",
"good style is never out of fashion",
"Not only that but /u/Kjellvb1979 hates the global poor. He doesn't want the global poor to have jobs. ",
"These were the Micheal Jordan's of the Roam Empire! ",
"https://mises.org/library/deflating-deflation-myth\n\n",
"If you say so. Best pair of shoes I've ever owned was a $7 \"knockoff\" Nike look-alike on the border of Mexico. Payless hasn't done me wrong either, it's just a matter of examining the shoe and ensuring the glue is good, seams aren't warped, etc. Surface gets cracks on cheaper shoes but I'm not wearing cheap shoes to look good, I'm wearing them because I'm on my feet a lot for work and they WILL get worn out. Still buy nicer shoes for true blue casual wear. The quality is there but neither do I hate on Payless.",
"When a design is right, it’s just right. Amirite?",
"It's gotta be Timmy's...",
"Yes, definitely. I think it’s also easy for most lay people to not really put the idea of ‘slave’ into proper context. Basically anyone who wasn’t Roman was fair game. Caesar was in massive debt before he ran off waging war on the Gauls (for those that don’t know, basically it’s where France is today). Caesar came up with the flimsiest reasons to take his legions around the region literally committing genocide against the Gaulic peoples. The people he didn’t kill, he took as salves and sold them to pay his debts and pay his men. \n\nThey took *so many* people prisoner that his soldiers made bank too. It’s one of the biggest reasons he had so many loyal soldiers. He paid well. \n\nHe was in debt before he left Rome to wage his wars, and he was filthy rich when he came back. \n\nAll of these ‘slaves’ were regular people until they were taken and sold. They could have been any sort of skilled craftsman before. ",
"Countdown until Kanye makes a similar one for Yeezy season ",
"They threw crocs away before they were even invented. Fascinating.",
"Its similar enough to modern shoes that if you click on it in Google images it will bring up similar products.",
"They didn't have weekends though. They had maybe a hundred holidays a year, which seems really a lot, but when you add it all up it's more or less comparable with our weekends. Slaves wouldn't have gotten all of them off, it would've also depended on what kind of slave. The kind of slave who made these shoes would've been a really skilled and therefore expensive one (if he were a slave that is, there were free artisans), so he would've been treated decently for the time, but on the other hand agricultural slaves were treated very badly, probably even worse than the ones in the USA during slavery. ",
"The cool thing about the coliseums is that still today our stadiums are pretty much designed the same way. We use more modern materials, but apparently we just cant beat the shape and the layout of them, theyre pretty much perfection",
"I think you mean 'around', you dick muncher",
"An interesting note about slaves in Roman times. Employers of free men were not keen on educating/training their work force because they could take that education and skills to other businessmen. However, slave owners would frequently educate and train their slaves. Since they weren't going anywhere, there was no concern that the investments would be lost. \n\n ",
"MFW Austrian Economics",
"Here is another view of this shoe. https://twitter.com/adagamov/status/742951762282336256\n",
"Thanks! I am near chicago so I will do some digging. \n\nI learned along time ago to buy in bulk, and buy quality everything so it lasts. But shoes is new for me. I appreciate the assistance",
"What are thoseee?!?!?!?!?!",
"Right, so the gens was the family or house as a whole. Basically, the gens Julia was anyone with the nomen Julius. That might be G. Julius Caesar who we are talking about but it could be a number of other people. \n\nI honestly think the Wikipedia intro covers it pretty well:\n\n> [In ancient Rome, a gens \\(/ˈɡɛns/ or /ˈdʒɛnz/\\), plural gentes, was a family consisting of all those individuals who shared the same nomen and claimed descent from a common ancestor. A branch of a gens was called a stirps \\(plural stirpes\\). The gens was an important social structure at Rome and throughout Italy during the period of the Roman Republic. Much of an individual's social standing depended on the gens to which he belonged. Certain gentes were considered patrician, others plebeian, while some had both patrician and plebeian branches. The importance of membership in a gens declined considerably in imperial times.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gens)\n\nAnd yes, Caesar was from a fairly humble background, as far as it goes for Patricians. However, in this case humble means: his dad had been governor of Asia, his aunt married Gaius Marius, his mum was Aurelia Cotta. As you can see, though not from the top of the heap, Caesar was not just some bloke off of the street. He was part of the elite.",
"Just not a fan of fueling economic growth through debt and creating a class of indentured servants. 20T in liabilities isn't sustainable. ",
"here i am sat eating dinner while enjoying an article about shit. i need to revaluate my life.",
"Getting a strong Cole Haan ZeroGrand perforated Oxford vibe from these. Love 'em.",
"That would be pretty neet, no just Timotheus.",
"I fear that in your haste to compare Sanders to a corrupt dictator, you have oversimplified the two sides beyond what is meaningful. \n\nThough I appreciate that you think Sanders is a corrupt war monger who uses the mildest of reforms as a propaganda tool in order to sway the voters in to backing him. I can see that.",
"Are these the new Yeezy’s?",
"Well, I simply haven’t looked much at nicer Roman footwear specifically, beyond the more basic sandals they had, so I didn’t know they were doing ones as elaborate as these. \n\nIt’s the look of the insole and the decorative aspect of the upper that impress me because those shoes could totally be sold nowadays and not be shockingly different, unlike a lot of other shoes from back then.\n\nThe construction techniques themselves haven’t changed that much over the centuries, but fashion certainly has, and it would be disingenuous to claim that it’s not surprising to see how similar to our shoes this specific one is. ",
"He certainly is, otherwise it would be quite a level of insanity, if he was dissing custom made lasts. It still makes his blurb ridiculous though, because of the emphasis on lasted construction being supposedly inferior etc. \n\nIf you purchase a manufactured shoe last that matches your foot’s dimensions, it won’t be quite as good as a full bespoke last made to your foot, but it will be much closer to that, and a hell of a lot better than what he claims it would be. \n\nOf course, if you purchase a random last that isn’t even close to the size etc. of your foot, you’re going to have a bad time; but it’s not how you’re supposed to do it, so his point is moot.",
"Publius Clodius Sanders",
"Beautifully said",
" ANTONY\n BY\n MARK ANTONY\n FOR\n MARK BY MARK ANTONY \n IN COLLABORATION WITH\n MARK ANTONY FOR MARK BY MARK ANTHONY",
"> Delia's\n\nGeez, is this store still around? I haven't seen it since the 90s!",
"Exactly",
"Ha!",
"Ha!\n\nAlthough, considering all the scandalous shit around Clodius, maybe he's Roman Trump. To efficient at actual legislation though.",
"‘Riddled with parasitic intestinal worms’ ...lovely",
"Is that the new Yeezy drop?",
"This should be on /r/buyitforlife",
"This should be on /r/buyitforlife",
"Yeah, most of the best blades etc. tools are made by hand anyway, even nowadays. I just don’t know how they made leather punches etc. back then, or what kind of metal casting etc. they would have had then. \n\nPretty cool about the precision files! Considering how amazing they were at sculpture etc., it makes sense they’d have good files too. ",
"If saving money is your goal, there are much better shoe making tutorials for free on YouTube. Not a gimmicky $600 quick class.\n\n",
"This looks like my new balance minimus...",
"I knew the word and what it means, but not the origin...",
"That's like a giant string of non-sequiturs. \n\nAn economy has to grow or it becomes a zero sum game. \n\nGrowth doesn't happen through debt, although it may involve debt (why would you pay cash for a house?). \n\nA class of indentured servants has to do with the legal structure of employment, and the protections offered by a government. \n\nThe existence of 20T in liabilities has nothing to do with the type of money in circulation, and it absolutely can become sustainable with a sound budget. ",
"> if you purchase a random last that isn’t even close to the size etc. of your foot, you’re going to have a bad time\n\nMy problem all my life--my feet don't meet manufacturer's standards. =( \n\nI dream that someday I'll have a pair of bespoke shoes.",
"Because I know a lot of other things and one can’t possibly just know everything like for example the origin of every word. However, i sometimes wonder why some people feel content only knowing or understanding one language. ",
"I just bought that again recently. It's been so long since I played it, I can't remember half of it. It's like a new game. ",
"You also had to hone your craft to survive, and the people who were really good at it were successful. So they were a hell of a lot more motivated than someone learning it as a hobby nowadays. \n",
"I know what the word means but I didn’t know it’s historical origin. ",
"Never said saving money was the ultimate goal. Simply don’t waste money on a lot of silly shit. Sure there’s a lot of short cuts you could take to learn some things for free but that’s not always the best way to do things. Hands on experience and first person instruction is better for some people. Not sure how paying for knowledge of a trade is a “gimmick”. A lot less gimmicky than going to college if you ask me. ",
"I love this whole thread. ",
"One day man. I tend to be able to make business ventures while in Oregon so I hardly ever mind taking the trip. ",
"It depends on the country. It’s funny how the etymology of the same word varies from a place to the other. (In France for example, cordonnier = cordwainer, and they’re definitely named for the cords/laces, for doing the work that a cobbler does in the English language, rather than that of a shoemaker. A cordonnier is a shoe & leather repairman.)\n\nHence why people with an English speaking background like the term cordwainer, and people with a French speaking one don’t. Both are trying to avoid being seen as repairmen rather than creators. \n\nShoemaker works too. And is more etymologically all-encompassing. ",
"Knife, punches, hammer and skill",
"Yes, but if you use hole punches a lot, you really develop an appreciation for quality ones that remain sharp and make crisp holes all along. Quality punches are more valuable than they may seem. :P\n\n",
"/r/wellworn",
"Did i claim otherwise, that's part of what's depressing. ",
"Probably get $5000 if they had both shoes. I mean there are not too people looking for one shoe, supply and demand!",
"Everyone expects them to be skilled at survival and functional design etc. \n\nWhat surprises us is to see such an ancient craft being so similar in design and fashion to a shoe you could just as easily see in a store nowadays. \n\nIt’s not that we expect them to be incompetent, it’s just that, among other things, shoe fashion from 1000 years ago was radically less similar to the modern one, than this 2000 years old Roman fashion is. Certainly worthy of amazement.\n\n",
"Unfortunately, there's only one shoe that fits me comfortably: [Drew Rockford](http://www.drewshoe.com/storeproduct387.aspx). I've gone through a lot of shoes and had to gift them all until I tried these.",
"No, my point was that from the sound of his site’s blurb, you are actually better off learning from YouTube. There are skilled craftsmen who have tutorials on YouTube, on their blogs, in various books etc.\n\nOr, if saving money isn’t the goal, you could also take a longer, much pricier, but actually in depth class with a far more serious teacher, like Marcell Mrsan, for example. That would actually give you “knowledge of a trade”, not a rushed class in some guy’s basement/garage. \n\nMaybe the Portland guy is awesome at the kind of shoe he teaches. Maybe he’s a great teacher. But his blurb on his website doesn’t inspire any confidence, especially not at $300~600. **I’m not judging his skills as a craftsman, which we don’t know, I’m judging his website and how horribly gimmicky the site makes his class sound.**\n\nThe downvotes don’t make it any less true. If you want to learn a trade, apprentice with a skilled professional. If you want to pick up a hobby, that’s something completely different. ",
"Another fascinating fact about Roman fashion history is that Marcus Aurelius was known to dab and keep it 100 but his fam wasn't fire enough to cope with it for real though.",
"Question: I'm looking at the single loops for the lace. These days all shoes have laces that go almost down to the toe. Was this not needed for this pair because the shoe was custom fit to the wearer?",
"The point is that economies can grow whether the chosen form of currency is inflationary or deflationary. Arguments can be made for and against both sides. I tend to believe that a currency which encourages saving is a good thing, as opposed to an inflationary currency that is [guaranteed to go down in value.](https://i.imgur.com/tSzprET.png)\n\nBy encouraging saving, people will still need to consume goods and services. It's not a zero sum game. Many have spent their bitcoins throughout its 10 year lifespan, and they continue to do so. There is a vibrant and growing economy around it despite many economists predictions, and it's not entirely based on speculation. ",
"Yeah, that’s a pain. If I may ask, is it an unconventional size issue, or arch etc. issue? Some companies offer special widths and sizes, so the hardest part is usually the arch issues, flat feet etc. \n\nIf you ever decide to get into shoemaking as a hobby, there are last-makers that can make you a custom one of your feet, which you can then use to make your own shoes. Bespoke, for much less than the prohibitive cost of bespoke shoes. (It takes a while to master the craft and to make shoes, but it can be worth it, especially to have really comfortable shoes.)\n\nJust beware because the internet is full of scammers posing as last-makers to screw over aspiring shoemakers. ",
"Sneaker-heads! Check out this one weird trick that will let your sñeakers last a thousand years!!",
"Dem bois clean ",
"I can see what you have done here. Upvote confirmed.",
"> I tend to believe that a currency which encourages saving is a good thing\n\nI will bet any amount of money that you have no education in real economics",
"What does that have to do with anything? I haven't claimed to be an expert in economics. But I do live in and participate in an economy, so I have an opinion. Is that really your only counter point to what I said? Pretty weak, dude. ",
"Lovely broguing ",
"My problem is both a short foot (I have really short toes, lol) and a high arch, which means a lot of shoes that fit the width of my foot are too long and I trip over them; velcro closings are too short to fit over my arch; I can't get pull-on shoes and boots over my heel and arch",
"👌🏻",
">I tend to believe that a currency which encourages saving is a good thing\n\nNo serious economists back this, because an economy fails if everyone saves their money. \n\n>There is a vibrant and growing economy around it despite many economists predictions, and it's not entirely based on speculation\n\nRight, [stable currencies look like this](https://charts.bitcoin.com/chart/price) and take minutes to process a transaction. Blockchain technology is too valuable and innovative to be a currency. ",
"Crocs... of course it has to be crocs. ",
"Sorry, I assumed you learned about the origins of words as well in Sweden. We do that here in Denmark, especially when we started talking about similar words between English and Danish, German and Danish, etc.\n\nAnd then it's kinda just a given where the word is from if a lot of languages share it - it's likely Latin or Greek 99% of the time.",
"I heard or read somewhere that slaves in the Roman Empire had the opportunity to achieve wealth/status etc and thus were no longer considered beneath other people. Or something. I only studied Anthropology for a couple of semesters and alas, Roman culture/laws weren’t included in the curriculum.",
"Whoa! An obesity epidemic!? I thought they had a healthy diet of fish, veg, fruit etc! Did they have discourse to address the obesity or did they give no f%%ks?",
"It looks like someone took a hole punch to some Tom's. ",
"The empire itself wasnt created before the downfall of the republic, which had its own designflaws.\n\nWhat i actually meant that the system was relying too much on factors such as troop support, income from exploited conquered provinces, slaves, etc, which all were not sustainable in times of crysis. The consequences were a slow erosion of the overall stabilizing state-structures, which allowed the subsequent downfall and desintegration.",
"For clarity, you wouldn't be a rich person and have one of your slaves do this, most likely. \nIf the creator of these was a slave (maybe, maybe not), he likely would have been a slave owned by a person who owned a leather crafting business, or a shoemaker business. \nIf you were rich, you'd go down to the shoe shop and commission a new pair of shoes to be made.",
"Wow. I was expecting something less ornate. These were not the shoes of a common person.",
"r/artifactporn",
">No serious economists back this, because an economy fails if everyone saves their money.\n\nEconomies fail for a variety of reasons. The fact that everyone saves their money during an economic crisis does not mean that's what caused it originally.\n\nThere are examples of deflationary economies working just fine.\n\nhttps://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets/111715/can-deflation-be-good.asp\n\nBitcoin is not perfect, just like the early internet wasn't perfect. It's a protocol and network for transferring value, first and foremost. The bitcoin currency is just the first application. ",
"If you haven't read Brave New World you should - irresistible entertainment used as a form of control over a complacent populace.",
"Yes, actually. The Wikipedia article says that they determined the diet and health of the person.",
"Makes sense ",
"You, sir, are a puissant poltroon. Have at you!",
"I mean, the \"empire\" took a lot of different forms and it grew and contracted and so on over the centuries. The Roman empire of 14 AD is very different from the empire of say, Trajan, Marcus Aurelius, Constantine and so on. Principate became the Dominate. The fall of the west and the continuation in Byzans. Justinian, Basil II and on and on.\n\nThe Roman Empire overcame more crisis than seems reasonable. Hell, the third century was one big crisis and it overcame that and eventually bounced back.\n\nUnless you're arguing that entropy will make any societal structure collapse given a long enough time line, I think you're wrong because what you're talking about is a state that stood in one for or the other for 1500 years (just talking Augustus onwards, not counting the republic). ",
"So that's where I left it. ",
"Yeah I saw that but... what does that really tell us? Is that all we have to go on to judge what they ate and what diseases they encountered? ",
"Yeah, when you’re trying to optimize a space for the number of people being able to see something and be able to control the crowd as they enter and exit - not a huge number of ways to do it.",
"Not only a cool way, that’s literally what they are. Used for the same purposes, just not always quite as savage. ",
"Stunning ",
"If shit myself knowing that shoe so expensive just went down a well. ",
"I do 1PTLrDzUMn7jbthnqVDzKaUhAhsSqydZSz",
"They had all the time in the world in those days.",
"Any sort of drilling or quarrying would be an easy application, no?",
"We know about it because of people complaining. They felt it was a sign of their wealth making them weak and soft, a common idea in the ancient Mediterranean. The response was mostly just moralistic bitching from the same people who thought parties were a sign of moral decay. Studying philosophy was recommended, because the people complaining about the problem were philosophers.",
"Which makes sense if you think about it. 2000 years is absolutely nothing on an evolutionary timescale. Our wetware hasn’t changed much at all. It’s our societies and recorded knowledge that have transformed our lives.",
"In this case, the punch would just be an old-fashioned hammer punch--basically a cylindrical piece of steel/wrought iron with a hollow in the tip with a ground edge, later case-hardened. It is also feasible that a pliers-type punch was reasonable for a master leatherworker to have custom-made, although that seems less likely to me.\n\nHere is a great video from a great channel about hand-making files. EDIT: Oops, forgot link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOw9WqMOHjA",
"Yeah, you’d likely be stuck with laces rather than pull-on shoes, unless it’s bespoke or modified. \n\nIf you’re looking for casual shoes like velcro-closure ones, I’m not sure what to recommend, but if you like dress shoes I’d recommend trying going with derby ones to have more room in the area. You might need a custom insole to have better arch support also. \n\nIf you’re in the US, have you tried Allen Edmonds? It might be worth dropping by one of their stores to try some shoes on (better than buying online), and seeing if they can help you. They have good custom widths, so I’m thinking that with a smaller size for the length, compensating with a wider shoe, it might work out better. And because of the way the derby is less restrictive in the top area, you can lace it a bit more open and have more room for the top of your foot. \n\nSorry if it’s stuff you already know. Hopefully it might be of some help. ",
"The shoe is the sign. Let us follow His example. Let us, like Him, hold up one shoe and let the other be upon our foot, for this is His sign, that all who follow Him shall do likewise. ",
"The yeezys of a bygone era...the caezys.",
"That is well preserved",
"Why does it matter if they wrote it down? If we know they used it, that doesn't mean it was stolen from them, but just hypothesizes parallel thinking, but it would still mean that they came up with it first.",
"Oh I know how those punches are, there’s a couple drawers full of them in front of me. 😄\n\nThe pliers kind are actually not as good as the hammer kind. Even nowadays, serious craftsmen generally use the hammer or press type, hobbyists tend to get the pliers type. \n\nI just don’t know much about metal work in that time period beyond swords etc., and how they’d go about making the punch and the hollow area/how easy it would be then to obtain those and keep them sharp; so I wasn’t sure how good and/or sharp their leather punches for decorative holes would be. But from the look of that shoe, clearly they had no problems making & maintaining them! \n\nI’d love to see the video about the files, if you get a chance to edit with the link sometime. 😃",
"We can absolutely give them that they came up with the idea even though they didn't formulate or prove it.\n\nThe proof, however, is almost certainly due to Pythagoras; and theorems are usually named for whoever proves them.",
"Oh, I'd love a pair of shoes like those, they're beautiful, and I'd call them fashionable still.\n\nI probably am so aware of our propensity to be amazed at the abilities of earlier humans because I used to share it--when I was growing up, people assumed Neanderthals, for instance, were these subhuman, barely functional savages. Thank goodness that mindset is disappearing.\n\nETA: One book that helped me get past that view was \"Women's Work: The First 20,000 Years,\" by Elizabeth Weyland Barber. It discusses the evolution of textile making (spinning and weaving were 'women's work' because it was a tedious task easily set aside for childcare demands), and was my first look at just how amazing earlier craftspeople's work was. \n\nI know we accept flint knapping as an important step for hominids, but I have a feel string craft was equally important, for making snares, nets, and carrying bags.",
"These are so cool, but all I can think about now is what some Roman looked like walking around barefoot, with the patchiest “tan lines” on their feet. ",
"Does it matter...We are all going to die",
"I am well aware about the constant changes in shape and structure. But besides nominally surviving these changes they still took their toll. \n\nThe way politics were conducted made constant warmongering more likely, occasionally happening without reasonable strategical gain or even any meaningful goal aside from improving someones political standing (*looks at parthian/sasanid wars while shaking his head in disbelief*). This way ressources were wasted, may it be morale, money, manpower or technical skill at a rate, that obviously was not sustainable. \n\nAlso i consider it highly likely that the constant change of emperors due to revolts, the lack of proper care for the populations wellbeing, the exploitative way of administering provinces and the irresponsible way of handling religious issues eroded the trust and willingness of many inhabitants to fully identify and fight for the empire when shit hit the fan.\n\nSo yes, it surprisingly survived quite a lot. But did the people in charge let a decent amount of improvement slip through their fat and greasy fingers? From my perspective, yes.",
"We can see they did, but I'm surprised if say a less rich person wore something beautiful that was practical and would get a lot of wear. ",
"I don't know exactly why, but those socks gave me the creeps. ",
"Woops. Edited in.",
"I'm literally Italian.",
"Nice!",
"It looks very contemporary. How do they know it wasn't dropped there a few years ago? ",
"$250 is still cheap for shoes, they last longer in the $5-800 range, and last decades in the 4k+ range",
"Lobb or bust",
"That is a beautiful shoe! Wow the roman's were really ahead of their time.",
"I didn't know they wore wing tips back then.",
"I agree with that, I think Pythagoras deserves the credit for the theorem, it's just interesting to me how different civilizations separately come up with the same concepts. ",
"Sorry, I gotta disagree about J&M being comparable to AE. They might be priced kinda close together, but from what I remember, J&M is all made in China. AE is still made in USA. Country of origin isn't always relevant, but in my experience the guys who still make their stuff here tend to have higher quality goods. \n\nI buy all my AE stuff secondhand. Got a pair of like new AE Dalton boots (retail at like $475) for ~$175. \nSo of price is your main issue, maybe give secondhand a shot.",
"Hold that thought .. see ya in November ",
"Well, geometry is pretty fundamental.",
"It might be haunted",
"Running crocs",
"Check your inbox",
"I have failed you",
"R I M B S",
"Yeah I know, just meming. Informative though, I had forgotten a few things since it's been a while since I learned my world history",
"> They had man-hours\n\nor woman-hourandtwentyminutes (adjusted for gender gap)\n\n",
" New Curry’s? ",
"Sorry, my bad!! I've been thinking a little too literally today. ",
"We're really digging for these puns.",
"What i mean is that such an engine isn't efficient enough to be feasible. I don't think it's much energy efficient so you would need to burn a ton of wood or coal to make it work, maybe to the point that the benefits would outweight the cost.",
"So a histoically accurate anachronism?",
"Hells yeah thanks buddy",
"Ran when parked.",
"Did you take the picture ? I feel like i have seen those. Frankfurt archaelogical museum?",
"\"Well I'll be damned. Even the Romans loved Japanese porn\"",
"You're good man! Most people wouldn't know so your comment is great for people who wouldn't know about the splitting up of the Roman Empire and the clusterfuck of legacies they left behind.",
"Delere is destroy and orbem rigidum is like \"sight having been solidified\"",
"Not much point to wearing a cheap ass toga.",
"The Romans love Greek stuff.",
"Yeah, I guess I've just always thought of mathematics building linearly from civilization to civilization.",
"Thank you! ",
"I see.",
"Thanks for understanding :)\n\nYou've probably seen it mentioned somewhere on Reddit, but in case ya haven't, the History of Rome podcast kicks ass. It's awesome and one of the few podcasts I can actually pay attention to. It's well done, easy to listen to, and you don't need to know anything about Classics or history to enjoy it or understand it, though knowing something certainly adds to the enjoyment of it. Just wanna throw that out there! \n\n",
"Quite well preserved.",
"$60 is the standard price for Levi's, if you see them for $100 marked down to $60 that's just to trick you into thinking they're on sale ",
"Okay, but how could the shoes have been the inspiration for the movie, if they weren't discovered until years after the movie was made? ",
"So you in school went into detail on every words origin, not only the more basic fact that the language derived from latin or greek which is obvious but also the fact that this was related to politics in the roman times? Really? You learned about pleb specifically, in school?",
"And yet my Nikes are breaking down after a month",
"anima sana in corpore sano",
"That's not what I said tho. We did talk about some words in detail tho fx., like democracy, arena and theater. It doesn't take long before you start putting two and two together, and realize where nearly every single shared word comes from.",
"Forget the sandal, FOLLOW THE GOURD!!",
"New yeezy prototypes",
"I didnt mean origin as in origin of country or culture, I was referring to the actual historical, original meaning of the word pleb. We also of course go through things like democracy and all that jazz. \n\nThat's what I meant from the start. Today we throw plebs around for casuals or basically anyone below you in games. It has nothing to do with a party affiliation. So that part of the meaning i never learned before, and definitely not in school. Still not a super common word but far more common in English and especially in gaming on the internet than it is in Swedish. \n\nFor example, we have a retarded word in sweden added a couple of years ago, probably some kid that won a competition, called \"Fickla\". You may have heard of it, apparently the origin of the word is some pleb figured we need to have a specific word for \"the useage of a flashlight to read a book underneath your comforter in bed.\" \n\nNow maybe in 100 years people will use \"Fickla\" to also mean jerking off in bed. And the word then takes on a new meaning. \n\nSo with pleb i knew the \"commoner\" part which was more of an insult but not the actual original derivation where it came from a political party.\n\nI hope that clarifies. ",
"Alright, my bad man. I thought you were saying all along that you didn't know what language root the word came from, since you brought that up in one of your first comments",
"Well, you can't tell how rich the owner of that show was.",
"Haha, right? But also, I bet most people only had one or two in their wardrobe per year so they spent more on less. ",
"Probably poor choice of wording, instead of origin I should perhaps have said , Original use of the word pleb. When i meant origin of the word i meant the first meaning of it. \n\nIf i would ask \"where does this word come from?\" the answer could be either \n\n\"That's what the party affiliates were called to the **** party back in roman times, but now its more commonly synonymous with commoner or filthy casual or peasant\"\n\nor you can actually break down the word itself and say that yeah it comes from latin or whatever and not actually go into detail about that word.\n\n50/50 chance, and I got misunderstood, shit happens. ",
"I understood that reference...\n\n*looks at watch*\n\n\nHoly shit. I ~~spent~~^wasted too much time on reddit...",
"That's how many suits I have. Nothing has changed.",
"I know a tiny bit about this maybe!! They used more limestone than modern recipes, which logically should make it less durable, but for some reason makes it more durable. ",
"Yeah, they got plumbing working fairly well just with clever use of aquaducts. If they had understood germs and parasites better they might have had sanitation that was almost as good. (Most Romans had parasites, because for toilet paper they used communal sponges on sticks cleaned in a bowl of gross dirty water between uses.)",
"They... actually weren't. It's one of the biggest misconceptions popularized by the Victorians, but even a modern backwater African country is wealthier and more advanced than Rome at its peak— it would just lack the imperial domain. Not to mention that they still farmed by literally stabbing the ground, something even people in the dark ages moved past. Europe surpassed Rome before the second millennium began, and Asia did it even sooner than that. The only problem was that there was no centralized authority, hence why we call it the 'Dark Ages'.\n\nIt's more telling how people in that era could've created something like this.",
"Hahaha, a well constructed joke. Congratulations!",
"I'm waiting for a hipster to comment that they have a similar pair to these and that they've been wearing them before they were cool ",
"Genocidal slavers, such an amazing culture.",
"Actually...the Romans did have steam engines. Mostly it was only used to pump water out of coal mines. They used the coal to power the engine. Also as toys. \n\nAs for why the industrial revolution occurred in England, it could be because of a map. https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=8733\n\nAt least, that's all I can figure. England had a huge concentration of a particular type of coal that was extremely useful during the opening stages of the industrial revolution and this guy made a map showing where it all lay. ",
"A shoe company should steal that design and call it roman edition or something.",
"That's really nice craft even for today's standards",
"Well there it is",
"People would be more interested in history if it wasnt branded in such a fancy way",
"Shoe found in Germany. Damn krauts stealing everything!",
"Isnt Scarecrows mask an actual potato bag? Lmao ",
":)",
"Phrasing couldve been better but thats why I said \"literal potato\" it actually resembles a potato. ",
"Fancy",
"Best I can offer is $3.50",
">It's one of the biggest misconceptions\n\nIts not. \n\n> even a modern backwater African country is wealthier and more advanced than Rome at its peak\n\nYou cant be serious.",
"> Its not.\n\nIt is. It's entirely because said backwater African nation still has access to modern technology. No country on Earth that has modern weaponry and electricity is \"less advanced\" than Rome. Maybe it's contentious as to whether we were more advanced than Rome in the 1600s on some level, but in an objective sense, Rome was perfectly of their time. They were centralized, allowing for technological innovations to be funded and used by the State where necessary, which is why we recognize them as being such a technological juggernaut. There were a *lot* of low-hanging fruit before the Industrial Revolution inevitably plucked them all, and even putting in a tap of effort would have gotten some of the fruit to fall. Hence why Rome and their contemporaries in Greece, Persia, China, and India were so \"advanced\" for the early first millennium.\n\n[There are other problems with this idea anyhow](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3khyew/technologically_was_ancient_rome_comparable_to/). It always comes down to technological feats like \"concrete\" and \"aqueducts\", but the biggest dividing line between Antiquity and modern society is in food production— and in that regard, Rome was barely past the Stone Age. Most civilizations on Earth were barely past the Stone Age in terms of agriculture during the days of Rome, even if their peasants were much better off than the hunter-gatherers of yore.",
"Woah!!!",
">It is.\n\nHave you ever heard of the \"false equivalence\" fallacy? Yes, Rome was not as advanced then as we are now. But that is an asinine comparison. We are speaking about each country within historical context.",
"\"It's very likely\" by whose calculations? Get a life..",
"And my year old sneakers are already to the point that I can throw them away. They sure don't make them as they used to.. ",
"I thought this was the first line or setup for a joke...\n\nAnyone care to oblige? What ya got reddit..",
"Or, a Sketcher from 2005 that fell into an old well..",
"Holy... that's really something.",
"And to further explain, Timotheus is the Roman sounding version of Timmy.",
"I don't believe it's real. It looks too modern and too perfect.",
"Is it a Nike?",
"And the slaves were largely treated differently then, too.",
"Imagine having the largest fossilized shit known to man. That's a pretty impressive shit.",
"“Pretty much deadstock”",
"Someone in r/sneakers is nutting in their joggers over this right now.",
"Which is interesting because one of the top of the line track spikes you can buy are Nike Victory’s. ",
"Incredible intricate details ",
"My grandmothers old chairs (in the 80s/90s) were made from roman shoes, apparently.",
"Pizza pizza\n\nedit: i know it’s shit... i just wanted to be part of something",
"Asics! ",
"There is archaeological evidence that suggests that the Carthaginians did sacrifice babies during times of great duress (graves of healthy babies whose age of death is out of the ordinary for natural causes, e.g. lots of 2 month olds but less 2 week olds, all dying at similar points in history). There was an ask historians post about it.",
"> QUAE SUNT ILLAAAAE\n\nWhy, they're the brogues of empire.",
"Nice crocs",
"Those kicks are fire!",
"Looks like something Kanye would try to market.",
"Yeah, your dads empire maybe.",
"> Yeah, your dads empire maybe.\n\nLuke, I am your empire.",
"deliasclothing.com :) ",
"You're not wrong",
"Hmm I wonder. I’ve never really looked into doing any classes like that before so I have absolutely no clue about any of the terminology so if I ever decided to go through with it I’d definitely have to do some research before. I’m just speaking from a total new person point of view that it’d be pretty awesome to learn how to do and this is probably only like the 3rd time I’ve ever even had it cross my mind. And I just watched the movie the cobbler the other day... 😅",
"this would explain the German that I saw after posting ",
"> I don't believe it's real. It looks too modern and too perfect.\n\nPeople back then weren't clumsy savages, and were perfectly capable of highly skilled craftsmanship.",
"basically every soldier accessory could be considered mass produced. From the weapon 'gladio' to the shoes.",
"right, now we pay other countries to have slaves to makes shoes for us, so we we can say we are the land of freedom.",
"I think there is some evidence that people had more free time back then than we do today. So that may or may not be the right way to think about it. It’s believed, and backed up by study and practical demonstration that even those in pre agricultural times, e.g. hunter gatherers, had only to ‘work’ to survive for about 20 hours per week. I think there’s so,e books written on it as well.",
"They must have been from the Germanic part of Rome because I have a pair of Pumas that look identical to that.",
"Yeah I've no idea what the guy above is on about. Maybe their hubris or pride or something but *belittling*? Never heard of that one. ",
" r/buyitforlife",
"Pretty much, by the second meaning of the word, i.e. our modern perception is the anachronism here.",
"The manufacturing was already highly specialized, it is not like everyone was able to produced those shoes!",
"> uncomfortable fashion \n\nRomans and their togas...",
"if there's graves, how did they rearrange the bones after burning them? Also those grave digs are very old, found before the sixties when historians where less stringent (and still believed the Romans). There is in no way consensus about why those graves exist. The current other theory is simply high child mortality.",
"Ah, I'm sorry. I just read it the other day and assumed it was true.",
"You're lumping Greek scientists and Roman cobblers into the same \"they\"? Bold move, Cotton.",
"Thanks for sharing! ",
"The maker is referring to mechanical lasts adjusted to approximate foot dimensions. His method employs castings instead of the mechanical device. That makes his models last-less handmade shoes.",
"The maker is referring to mechanical lasts adjusted to approximate foot dimensions. Instead what is employed here is a method of castings instead of the mechanical device, as is done in exclusive shops in Milan and Paris.\n\nThe difference is a shoe that truly conform to the foot. Participants of his workshop will have shoes for as little $300 plus materials that will compare with those costing ten times that amount made by the same method. \n\nMaybe you should try it.",
"The maker is referring to mechanical lasts adjusted to approximate foot dimensions. Instead what is employed here is a method of castings instead of the mechanical device, as is done in exclusive shops in Milan and Paris.\n\nThe difference is a shoe that truly conform to the foot. Participants of his workshop will have shoes for as little $300 plus materials that will compare with those costing ten times that amount made by the same method. \n\nMaybe you should try it.",
"Yeah I did \n\nI have the flu and very disoriented — but clearing up now finally ugh",
"Donaldus Triumphus, Salvator Occidentem, Deus-Imperator humani generis, Victor de conspiratio Clintonine, non Clausus est. MAGA! SPQR!",
"Love this website, thanks for reminding me that it exists.",
"Why would you find that amazing for 2000 years ago? People were not stupid back then.",
"Wow I love reddit and all the things I learn on the daily thanks for the knowledge ",
"yes it is!!",
"https://www.yeezys.cc so stylish shoe",
"Small boots",
"I have to contest the idea a master cobbler would be illiterate just because he was a Roman slave. \n\nFirst, they had books. Hand-binding has been around for a pretty long time. Not to mention clay and lead tablets. \n\nA slave who was a skilled craftsman like this would likely not only be literate, but also know a lot of math. (..for the Romans. Remember they figured out \"0\" was a \"number\" after the fall of the empire.)",
"Too bad they didn't apply that keen eye for authenticity to the rest of the film....",
"Heron of Alexandria invented a primitive steam engine about the time these shoes were made. So I believe it. \n\nThen there's the Antikythera Mechanism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism"
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"I love the fact you (or whomever is in the pic) has tried to remain civilised with using a paper plate.",
"My gallbladder hurts just looking at that mess.",
"Really? I just got slightly aroused.",
"It looks like a really gross pair of pants.",
"If you can't make good food at least make big food.",
"1 girl 2 slices just doesn't have the same ring",
"I too have a gall bladder boner right now.",
"I’d eat dat.",
"Two slices of a 16-slice pizza, yeah. But that looks more like one traditional slice that the restaurant is trying to double their goddamn profits off of. Truly a *buy-1-for-the-price-of-2* deal.",
"If a place sells slices that large, that's the only thing moving them, their size. Good pizza doesn't need a gimmick to sell. Instagram is keeping that shitty restaurant in business. ",
"No pepperoni? ",
"Me too ",
"Is this Texas pizza?",
"Damn I'd love to fuck that hot pizza. ",
"Yeah, it made my balls gladder"
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"Hucow??",
"All natural. Organic. Single source. Fair trade. \n\nExpect hipsters to pay $25 a gallon for it at Whole Foods. ",
"r/youseeingthisshit",
"The cows like wtf guys this is weird. ",
"Genuine beef milk. It's the new craze.",
"I like it\n"
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A milk company
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[
"Yeah......that had to hurt.",
"I was looking for a lego piece in there. Then I saw the 1938 timestamp. Rats.",
"Lego has been around since 1932, though!",
"Omg I'm gonna look again ",
"[Obligatrory](http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/but-why.gif)",
"Holy shit, where is this from? I live in secaucus lol ",
"Meadowview Psychiatric Hospital. ",
"Oh that's dope I drive past there all the time, cool little piece of history, thanks stranger =]"
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Articles removed from stomach of a 37 year old white male on September 9th, 1938
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"A lifetime member of /r/blunderyears.",
"5 different identities for five different types of people",
"I hope he just tries for horrible looks as a joke but he might just be originally from Florida.",
"Pro Wrestlers gotta change it up.",
"Why can't I get a date?",
"Who do I wanna be today? ",
"top left looks like Murderface!",
"For a moment I thought this was the same person and he just had multiple phases ",
"Cactus Jack? ",
"Could this be on purpose? Hear me out: Make yourself look wild for your ID photos then when ID'd by police or whatever while you look normal would give off the \"gone straight\" vibe and eliminate any feeling of threat/suspicion?",
"/u/TooShiftyForYou, thank you for your submission! Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule I - No screenshots. This includes pictures of screens and photos where the interest is the contents of a screen.\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/TooShiftyForYou&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pd6n7/one_mans_collection_of_drivers_licenses/?context=10\\))"
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One man's collection of driver's licenses
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"Wow- this is wonderful.",
"How did you do tha wolf?",
"How late were you for work?",
"This is eggscellent! ",
"Moonyside up ",
"Did you use a cookie cutter for the wolf? This is really cool!!",
"I have so many questions...",
"I feel so untalented. ",
"Have you ever heard the wolf cry to the blue corn moon...\n\n...or ask the grinning bobcat why he griiiiiins",
"Im not sure even if i can do the moon thing..",
"who? her?",
"That’s just fucking cool. ",
"[The real egg] (https://imgur.com/gallery/zM4vy)",
"Egg-art Targaryen",
"Guys hear me out, that egg white might be glue",
"Holy shit dude",
"And here I am with burnt toast ",
"An ovolly nice piece!",
"\"Sorry boss, I got caught up with some bad eggs\"",
"Cracking yolk mate!",
"Sure saves shelling out at some fancy art studio....",
"Amarok!",
"Credit to the egg artist, Michele Baldini (aka the_eggshibit on Instagram). According to [here](http://www.homecrux.com/2018/01/05/90247/artists-fried-egg-art-taking-instagram-by-storm.html):\n\n> Michele says –\n\n> > It all started when I saw a yin and yang symbol made out of a fried egg. I thought it looked cool so I decided I would give it a shot. It came out quite well and after that I just kept getting ideas of things that I thought would look cool made out of eggs.\n\n> However, the process of making an egg portrait is time-consuming, and takes 30-60 minutes to complete, she still loves doing it. Up till now, she has created more than 49 egg portraits; which include countries maps, globe, fast food, symbols, logos, cartoons, Star Wars helmet, memes and more.\n\n[Here](https://imgur.com/a/SE0up) are more pictures of their work.",
"No fucking way this was cooked in the pan like that.\n\nJust cook a really clean sunny side up egg, remove from pan, let cool, carefully sculpt with a knife/razor into the wolf shape while also cutting away the yolk.\n\nReassemble in pan for photo.",
"Didn’t your parents ever teach you not to play with your food?",
"Did you eat it or save it? Haha",
"you're a dad aren't you?",
"or is it...EGG..ce... llent? *Dr. Evil face and pinky finger*",
"I wish man, I got all these dad jokes and no kids to embarrass them with",
"Or dare I say, egg-shell-ent?",
"Needs at least two more wolves.",
"Those are cool, but butter the pan you heathens.",
"The Long Dark!"
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"Why'd you stand right behind that tree...?",
"I guess I liked the cover it gave. ",
"When I was there last month my gf took an almost identical photo, and I mentioned how I liked how the tree added something to the photo. "
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Washington Monument. Best picture I have ever taken
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[
"Only 2 genders ",
"I feel like there is potential for a game here. \n\nShown a picture*\n\nAnti-creationism or Anti-63 genders?",
"Pluto is not a planet. ",
"I reject your reality and substitute it with my own!",
"It's a dwarf planet. There's a lot of them.",
"To me, this highlights the need for an increase in accessible science writing\n\nEdit: Someone below mentioned a better word for my sentiment would be \"compelling\" science writing and I agree. I'd say across all film and literature we should hold writers to a higher standard to get the science of their invention right",
"Nuh uh genders can be created by anyone out of thin air. ",
"Based on your post history, I think you’re saying this unironically right now. But it’s a perfect example. The fact that you cannot comprehend that sex and gender refer to two separate concepts is not a legitimate argument.",
"I don't think the anti-science people would be able to understand that sign",
"The concept of genders being different than sex is completely not science and interpretive. It has no bounds. It's immeasurable and fluid. ",
"Truly this is preaching to the choir",
"Sex and gender are two very different things to count. ",
"It’s the consensus of the professionals and scientists that study these things, though",
"Repost. I remember playing about with contrast and mirror effect to read what it said on the other side...\n\n.. Forgot what it said",
"That's messed up.",
"I can grasp it really well actually. I watch Rick and Morty too",
"Only 2 scoops",
"No. Not scientist. No scientist will say they have irrefutable scientific evidence that shows there are more than two genders. They will say it's a completely social interpretation. ",
"Looks like it says “evidence trumps opinion”. ",
"There is plenty of accessible science writing.\n\nThere are also plenty of people uninterested in reading it.",
"*Flips Sign* \"Evidence Trumps Opinion\"\n\nEdit: why am I being downvoted. That's Literally what it says on the other side.",
"You take that back!",
"I feel like you're still not getting the fact that sex refers to biological sex and gender refers to the social construct of masculinity and femininity. What would it mean to \"have irrefutable scientific evidence that shows there are more than two genders,\" other than to observe people practicing non-binary genders, which we have?",
"More like a need for compelling writers that are scientifically literate.",
"*likes the latest post on the* I Fucking Love Science *Facebook page*\n\nWelp, that's enough science for me today",
"Yep.. That was it.. ",
"But it used to be. So it's an ex-planet, at the very least. But not Planet X.",
"My son was born with a big set of balls, but we’re letting him decide if he wants to be a fax machine or a couch but he has to decide before he turns 3 ",
"MAGA",
"I saw an interview with Neil DeGrasse Tyson on a late night talk show. I'm scienced out for the year.",
"Social constructs of masculinity and femininity is not science, though. At the very best it's statical analysis of personal opinions. ",
"While you’d be pretty hard-pressed to hear “irrefutable scientific evidence” in anything to do with studies of human social behavior, that doesn’t mean these things can’t be studied in a scientific manner. ",
"Attack Helicopter. For sure.",
"Even though I agree with the message, pics of signs aren't really appropriate content for this sub. Plus this is a (many times over) repost.",
"I love R&M. Watched over and over. ",
"I'm glad I don't know what in particular this one is about.",
"*cough cough*\n\nFlat earthers.",
"Anthropology is a science. Just because it's a soft science not using beakers in a lab doesn't mean that those that study it are not conducting science. Observing individuals and cultures, performing experiments. \n\nImagine I claimed that \"historians agree that a major cause of WW1 was the militaristic arms race of European powers leading up to the war.\" And your response was, \"history isn't a science, though. You can't prove any of that in a lab. At the very best it's just personal opinions.\" Yeah, I guess, but you seem to have missed the point.",
"Scientist use solid, true evidence that debunks their reality attack!",
"I'm sure you're smarter then the dictionary which defines it:\n\n\nthe state of being male or female\n\nsynonyms:sex\n\n\n",
"There's a sincere group of professionals in every religion that profess to know the truth without any scientific evidence. Just because they are professionals don't make them scientifically right, per say. ",
"The dictionary defines words according to how people use them. And unfortunately people continue to use sex and gender interchangeably, despite the distinction made in the scientific literature since the 1950s. \n\nAnd you’re looking for than, not then. ",
"Anthropologists are trying to uncover the truth in a scientific manner, though, unlike religious “professionals”. Any anthropologist is welcome to provide evidence against the existence of transgendered or genderqueer individuals and change the consensus of the field. It appears someone has yet to do that. ",
"The poorly educated look up to someone who speaks at a fourth grade level. And these dimwits argue about science. What a time to be alive!",
"Ah neat another person with the inability to grasp the difference between \"sex\" and \"gender\" \n\nedit: triggered some rightwingers! :) In case you had trouble reading the sign: \"Your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it!\"\n\nAlso fun science:\n\nEvolution is real\n\nMan Made Climate Change is real\n\n",
"Case and point, the deluge of \"2GENDERS\" catchphrase posters who can't even grasp sex and gender have different definitions and vehemently oppose the idea that anthropology, biology, and neurology are sciences.",
"That’s too bad. Because there are literally hundreds of researchers that study gender and human sexuality. They present their research in several academic journals. ",
"Lol",
"Look at you, shoehorning your kid into either an indoor appliance or furniture. What if they wanted to be a fence post or a lawn mower? Terrible, absolutely terrible.",
"Ah ok well then pls link me to their sceintific proof when they are able to come up with facts and figures of the exact number of genders and get back to me. Until then, like I scientist, I remain scientifically skeptical.",
"Unfortunately texas more or less decides what textbooks the nation gets and they're pretty science anemic.\n\noh and good ol' trump appointee secretary of education Betsy Devos fucking hates the idea of non christian private-schooling getting funded.\n\nedit:\n\nHey might as well drop some good intro reading for hot-button topics in this thread as long as we're talking about accessible science writing.\n\nhttps://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality (feel free to follow any of the citations in the article for further reading!)\n\n",
"Ah neat another person with the inability to grasp the difference between \"expression\" and \"disorder\" ",
"These people are turning science into a goddamn religion. ",
">gets fucking wrecked because he thinks common connotations supersede precise scientific usage\n\n>lol is only defense.\n\nlol",
"> \"never gets laid.\"\n\nNeither do people who make troll accounts",
"But karma though ",
">I can't form an argument on the terms being discussed so I'm going to change topics and be smug haha im so best at science\n\nriveting",
"Neither is your inability to grasp philosophy and arguments from the other side. Just as bad on both sides. People who are pro science in politics know literally fuck all about the subject and are just as blindly defending it as you dumbfucks think religious people are defending their shit.",
">why yes I did make a troll account and have dedicated 2 weeks solely to masturbating as practice for the rest of my life\n\nwow at least you're honest",
"If you were really smart you should be able to play the episodes in your head",
"I was gonna say that and a supplemental need for a decrease in shaming folks.\n\nImagine how much more receptive to a new idea you'd be if you're teacher was nice about it.",
"You’re either male or female. You can change between them surgically. People just want o be unique and special little snowflakes, because they aren’t ‘Pansexual’ they are ‘Non Binary’, as far as I’m concerned it’s a mental disorder to believe you are a female stuck in a males body or vice versa. It should be treated as a mental health issue not a social justice issue IMo",
">I can't form an argument on the terms being discussed so I'm going to change topics to something not in dispute through editing, attack political views without evidence, and be smug haha im so best at discourse\n\nnailing",
"I’m so sick of these hypocrites that idealize tolerance but yet are intolerant of intolerant people. ",
"Labelling every last iota of your sexuality/identity just screams \"I'm super different and unique, look at meeee\". \n\nIt's cool to just be you. You dont need a fucking itinerary. ",
"I don't know who is making what argument at this point, but you're all wrong! JFK shot first!",
">You’re either male or female\n\nsure\n\n>You can change between them surgically\n\nyep.\n\n>People just want o be unique and special little snowflakes,\n\n\"I don't understand and lash out at what I don't understand'\n\n>as far as I’m concerned it’s a mental disorder to believe you are a female stuck in a males body or vice versa. It should be treated as a mental health issue not a social justice issue IMo\n\nShould be as both. It is actually a neurological issue that your brain is processing your body as *not right*. There are two ways to treat that.\n\n1.) Get your brain to stop doing that.\n\n2.) Get your body to match up with what your brain thinks it should be.\n\nTurns out 2 is actually doable and 1 isn't really possible with current medicine. Transitioning through hormones or even surgery *is* the medical treatment.\n\nThe social part comes in where you shouldn't be allowed to legally discriminate against people for having gender dysphoria. Just like say, you shouldn't be able to fire someone for having PTSD or legislate what bathroom they can use.",
">It's cool to just be you. \n\nApparently not. Lot of people pissed at the idea of gender dysphoria in this thread.\n\n\nGuess it's \"cool to be you as long as it conforms to what I think you should be.\"",
"tl;dr you're an angry little troll.\n\ntah tah :)",
"You bored or something?",
">I-I-I-I know you are but what am I!\n\nIlluminating. ",
"Don't assume how I think because I don't agree with you. Progressive leftism 101. \n\nSuperiority complexes dont go well when you're trying to talk about tolerance. ",
"How rude. They prefer to be called *little people* planets.",
"He's free to be whatever when he's eighteen. Then he can identify as a soup spoon for all I care. But while he lives under my roof and gathers *my* dust mites and *my* bedbugs he will dress like some goddamn dignified furniture!",
"I'm honestly not sure why either of you think your clever.",
"I was talking generally about the thread. As instanced by me prefacing it with \"lot of people... in this thread\"\n\nNice of you to suddenly to go all SO MUCH FOR THE TOLERANT LEFT and play victim though at the first sign of disagreement. ",
"Not particularly. I was just calling out what he was doing for what it was. He was trying to be cheeky by doing the 'no u'. Now I'm just being dismissive to annoy him since he's obviously not interested in staying on topic and more interested in just trying to score catchphrase points.",
"Finally some facts we all can agree on.",
"Your first comment could not have been more condescending. \n\nIt's easy not to smell shit all the way up there on that high horse. ",
"Practically lost my job with the time.i spend typing it.",
"Well much of it is hidden behind paywalls from the sites that is actually hosting the articles.\n\nI really don't understand why any University would decide to use such site for hosting their scientific articles - but way too many do.",
"Calling the minority the norm. Wonder who's the fool here",
"No, just schools that aren't glorified daycares",
"There are only 2 genders...",
"Yes, soft sciences are still science. That's not the point here. The point is, theories that claim that gender is a purely social construct go *against* scientific research that suggests that gender and sex are inextricably linked in a way that precludes the existence of additional genders. ",
"I'm sorry if you took it as condescension or directed specifically at you. It was a lamentation on how your statement appeared by be contradicted by most of this thread.\n\n>It's easy not to smell shit all the way up there on that high horse.\n\nIf you're smelling shit everywhere you go maybe it's you.\n\nThere. Now that was condescension and directed at you.",
"Life begins at conception...",
"Twitter is full of emotional pricks that can't handle a single point of truth like the grown up babies they are and they hide emselves in their dogmas and emotions.\n\nIts so sick. And ppl think actual generation is bad, wait for all those pragmatic idiots to be the only ones voting. Society is going to hell if everything we have archieved so far goes to hell just because smb's feelings",
"Says the people who don’t even know what gender is associated with a penis. ",
"*your",
"Would that be such a problem?",
"Scientific Method. You read some crazy ass theory on some papers taken from some indian magazine. What does the rest of the comunity say ? Agree, disagree , nothing? It's ok not having a strong opinion about something, it's the natural things to NOT KNOW some things. \n\n",
"*you're ",
"The problem being the infinite gender crowd like weaving in between definition as it needs makes such statements Hallow.",
">Science reporting come in garbage form, too. Perhaps they should be held more accountable to what they summarize.\n\nThis is certainly a non-insignificant factor.\n\nI'm always a fan of this comic about it.\n\nhttp://phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1174\n\nedit: changed link to not print itself.",
"Now... Not that she is wrong, however...\n\nAll I see here is a distinct lack of an argument, and a pretty clear ad hominem.",
"You can't change your sex. No amount of surgery is going change xx to xy or vice versa.",
"And unfortunately the problem with the 2GENDERS2SCOOPS2TERMS crowd is they get to shout down a strawman and smugly congratulate themselves for being rational science masters.",
"So you're saying your professors decided it means something different now and anyone late to the party is just a bigot ",
"The shame! I'll be over their",
"You take that back. He's DWARF planet. Little planets are people too.",
"Gosh I wonder if the [cultural animosity](https://i.imgur.com/tiZSI1j.png) has anything to do with it.\n\n>im sure you already know this but when you have to legally force people to accept something it tends to have the opposite effect.\n\nRight? Like that time we legal forced people to stop discriminating against black people and gays. Man did that backfire and it just reinstated slavery.",
"Blindly following something that turns out to be often wrong usually is. People use arguments like “because science” like that is true and won’t change over time. Think medical science 200 years ago. Without critical thought it’s very similar to the negative aspects of religion. We know something to be true, until it isn’t.",
"Okay?\n\nI refer above to sex and gender being different things. \n\nSurgery can change your gender to reflect what your brain believes it should be so you stop mentally suffering.\n\nBiologically? Yeah your sex is still the same.",
"you're welcome.",
"Only two terms",
"But who was his target!? I need to get to the History Channel, FAST!",
"Yeah I saw that.\n\nand I wanted to point this out.\n\n>**Often**, these roles are based on biological differences (see: sex)\"\n\n>but it 100% is based on sex.\n\noften =/= 100%\n\nThere are anthropological cases of cultures who had more than 2 genders. Given you've already signed on to the fact that Anthropology is legit science this is okay to you right?\n\nedit: I thought we were having a good discussion here /u/bear_Taco, why'd you delete all your comments?\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/rKwdPfZ.png",
"That's only a theory.",
">**Often**, these roles are based on biological differences (see: sex)\"\n\n>but it **100%** is based on sex.\n\noften =/= 100%\n\nThere are anthropological cases of cultures who had more than 2 genders. \n\nedit: /u/bear_taco we were having a good discussion why'd you delete your comments?\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/rKwdPfZ.png",
"I love science and the lack of literacy in my beloved home if the USA is heartbreaking...\nAnd this kind of elitist shit doesn't help.",
"Not appropriate, yet it's the majority of pics",
"Now replace science with faith. ",
"Gender is a social construct. Biological men and women can be whatever they want because biology only has to do with reproductive organs, not hormones, brain chemistry, and thus psychology, and thus expression and personality. There are absolutely no psychological studies delineating the differences between men and women, and even if there were, the differences would simply be a product of the last maybe 5000 years of social conditioning, not millions of years of evolutionary conditioning that is also evidenced in countless species across the Earth. /s",
"Isn't she using a straw man herself? Like attributing something negative to the opposing party that you can then conveniently refute.",
"Sex is physical\n\nGender is philosophical ",
"That ship sailed a long time ago, I'm afraid",
"How would you count it if the third is essentially defined as \"not male or female\"? Because that's not based on biological differences (as you originally claimed) but is technically based on sex, since it is defined in respect to genders based on sex.\n\n\nHere's several cultures that include a 3rd gender though.\n\n\nhttp://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/\n\nHere's just the first I clicked on the map>\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)\n\nWhich includes people whose 'sex characteristics don't strictly fit male or female' (such as lack of genitalia or genetic variations, or even chromosomal variations such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome)",
"The problem I see with this sign is that you could swap in nearly anything for the word \"science\" and be making a similar-sounding (and emotional) argument.\n\n\"Your inability to grasp **[Scientology]** is not a valid argument against it\", for example.",
"Basic science literacy should really be emphasised more in schools. \nAt the very least make sure everyone knows what ‘theory’ means in a scientific context. ",
"Wait so people who dont agree with the progressive agenda and dont vote democrat aren't racist bigots? Thats news to me, maybe you should give shareblue a call. What i meant was maybe just maybe by legally forcing acceptance you cultivate the cultural animosity. You cant try to force people to think a certain way. Overt hostile actions, sure thats over the line. ",
"Learned that in high school did you? Your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it. \n\nWhy do stupid people feel compelled to comment on things they don't understand?",
"Strawman",
"What the hell is up with these comments? Guess it is an active time for Russians.",
"Everyone is an attack helicopter nowadays. How are you gonna claim oppression? If he's smart he'll claim he's a transport helicopter.\n\nedit: excuse me, trans* helicopter. ",
"Yes. A huge problem. \n\nScience is not a \"faith.\" In fact, \"science\" is the exact opposite of \"faith.\" It is not based on belief in something that can never be proven or disproven, but rather upon empirical evidence and sound, repeatable, methodologies and procedures. \n\nThe modern leftist \"science\" cult has fuck all to do with science. The people holding signs like this would be horribly offended by any empirical evidence that doesn't fit their narrative. Just look at the things the so-called \"Science March\" claimed it stood for and you'll see the extent of how ridiculously anti-scientific the self appointed science-thumpers are",
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.",
"> Gender is a social construct\n\nThen why do people get mad when I try to change it on the daily? Sometimes I just feel prettier than normal. ",
"was editing more details in as you replied, so you may not have seen it but:\n\n>I would count it if the 3rd role specifies it can be applied to either sex\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)\n\nFits this criteria. And it's just the first one I checked on the map.",
"Believing in science has nothing to do with believing in the facts as they exist today. It is believing in critical thought that evolves over time. It is believing in a process and a way to look at things, not a set of hard facts that do not change.\n\nSomeone who believes in science would support the medical science of 200 years ago at the time, while continuing to work to evolve the science to what it is today. ",
"The irony of this sign is that if science deniers understood what a valid argument was, they wouldn't be science deniers in the first place.",
"Science says there's at least five human biological sexes: male, female, male pseudohermaphrodite, female pseudohermaphrodite, and true hermaphrodite. You can Google any of those if you're curious. Also, sex and gender are two different things. So yeah, your lack of knowledge of human biology isn't a valid argument against it. ",
"There's a greater than .95 correlation between the two.",
"Why has /r/pics turned in to /r/stupidquotesonsigns ",
"Exactly! It's all good to feel pretty. It's just that if you think *feeling* pretty makes you a *woman* then people will probably be confused.\n\nDon't be so binary bro, just be pretty. No need to be all womany about it.",
"http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/",
"Science says there's at least five human biological sexes: male, female, male pseudohermaphrodite, female pseudohermaphrodite, and true hermaphrodite. You can Google any of those if you're curious. Also, sex and gender are two different things. So yeah, your lack of knowledge of human biology isn't a valid argument against it. ",
"Science says there's at least five human biological sexes: male, female, male pseudohermaphrodite, female pseudohermaphrodite, and true hermaphrodite. You can Google any of those if you're curious. Also, sex and gender are two different things. So yeah, your lack of knowledge of human biology isn't a valid argument against it. ",
"Buzzfeed has us covered",
"Science says there's at least five human biological sexes: male, female, male pseudohermaphrodite, female pseudohermaphrodite, and true hermaphrodite. You can Google any of those if you're curious. Also, sex and gender are two different things. So yeah, your lack of knowledge of human biology isn't a valid argument against it. ",
"Idk if it’s still around, but I heard of a google chrome plugin a while back called “Unpaywall” that will sometimes be able to find free versions of scientific articles when you view them on websites that ask you to pay",
"Yep. Anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a Russian.",
"Heh, that’s how I feel about some subjects I utterly hate. I love science, but know people who are glad to never take another class on it. ",
"Disagree- even most science now is subjective as most studies are biased and incomplete. Watch John Oliver's piece on scientific studies , it's great. ",
"Culuturally, generally.\n\nScientifically speaking? No. Sex =/= Gendeer\n\nhttp://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/\n\nFeel free to read the rest of the thread where I've provided some links to a good primer for those confused :)",
"Yes but I feel like a pretty woman sometimes, and therein lay the problem. Let's not get /r/gender_cynical all up in here. ",
"Because any journal worth publishing in charges the authors a ton of money to publish (often thousands, paid by a grant). Only the research is done at universities. Manuscripts are sent to private publishers who put them behind a paywall. There are no laws that require full articles to be freely public, at least if it’s funded by NIH. head on over to pubmed.com and the only thing required is an abstract of the work. \n\nSource: phd candidate with publications.",
"People like this love to bash climate change deniers, but then get irate and plug their ears when presented with scientific evidence that there is a biological basis for race and its effect on general intelligence.\n\nDownvotes incoming.",
"And?",
"Always two there are, no more, no less",
"Don’t need faith when you could have evidence instead",
">I really don't understand why any University would decide to use such site for hosting their scientific articles - but way too many do.\n\nJournals are more than just websites. Not to mention, most major journals are older than the Web, and come from a time when it was normal for newspapers, magazines, and other print media to charge readers for their services.\n\nTimes may be changing (i.e. consumers don't like paying for services anymore), *but running journals still costs money*, and that money has to come from somewhere. Traditional journals charge subscription fees. Open access journals generally charge the scientists. You decide which model is better, but remember that the person who pays is the real customer. (If you don't pay, then you're the product.)\n\nIf you don't want all the services that come with scientific journals and just want a website to post papers to, the closest you can get are preprint servers. They often are free for everyone, since running what's essentially just a document hosting website is much cheaper. Some areas of physics do this more than traditional publishing, but they have an arguably weaker peer review process, as a result.\n\nLastly, universities don't usually make the decision of who to publish with. The scientists do. Sure, a university can mandate that all research conducted through them be published with certain venues and not others, but that can be seen as restricting freedom too much. They're usually just happy to have some rights to profitable works, good PR for the rest, and productive research encouraging more grant money and researchers to come to them.",
"Heard that line every time I saw the intro, never found out which episode it was from.",
"Could also be anti-climate change denier",
"So what does the other side say I see\n\nTrump and opinion.",
"Abort thread. I repeat: ABORT THREAD. ",
"Trump's opinion is evidence.",
"There's plenty of accessible science writing. The problem is, a lot of it is just not well written. The media loves sensationalism and tries to sensationalize all the science stories, which leaves the public with the impression that science just consists of a list of independent 'holy shit isn't this amazing' bullet points with nothing tying them together. The idea of science as a *method* and of scientific knowledge as a whole web of interrelated facts and evidence tends to get left behind.",
">It's a role you play in society to help that society thrive\n\nWait a moment.\n\nAre you arguing that if gender norms are changed, that society will suffer? ",
"Exactly.\n\n2 Genders! \nSupply and Demand Economics!",
"Yes. It completely defeats the point.",
"Ain't no cynicism dog! I'm just saying that imagining you feel what a pretty woman feels is not only projecting but sexist. Biologically born men will never know what biologically born women feel, think, or experience. Were you born as a pretty woman? Have you had a lifetime of experiences as a pretty woman informing your experience? Or do you just feel traits that society has *deemed* feminine, such as being affectionate, or maybe even bubbly?\n\nBig difference between feeling like a woman and *being* a woman. Even trans mtf's aren't women. Why? Because they haven't had the lifetime of experiences being a woman. They've had a lifetime of experiences *feeling* like a woman. Kind of like if I felt like a soldier sometimes and so thought I was a soldier. But being a soldier doesn't have anything to do with how one feels, but what one does and experiences (namely war).",
"I don't think those people will understand this placard",
"Whomever uses the term “science” or “scientist” in their argument for or against something probably doesn’t understand the topic well enough in the first place. Say physicist or chemist or climatologist. Just saying “science” is kind of hand wavy ",
"When a baby is born, how many options do you get? ",
"Clearly s/he watched it many times, but never understood it. Not many people can be as smart as us.",
"> plenty of people ~~uninterested in~~ incapable of reading it.\n\nIncluding #45 and his collection of 'very smart' people. ",
"The counter point to that would be to substitute science for religion.\n\nIt's pretty straightforward... compare the textbooks and see which ones have the most use.",
"Yeah, this is definetly reddit type thinking. ",
"5 minutes and you're already at the top of this comment chain\n\n",
"Per your own definition, gender is the role someone plays. Therefore, if they do not fit with the role society normally assigns to their sex, but do fit with another role, why not call themselves that?\n",
"And just because something is associated or proved by 'science' doesnt mean its 100% true or infallible. ",
"If you’re ignorant enough to argue against science you’re ignorant enough for this argument to hold zero effect.\n\n",
"Oh shit, I remember watching the episode they first use that line in but it's been so long I don't remember it.\n\nI found a four second clip on youtube of him saying it though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8qcccZy03s\n\nEdit: apparently it's actually ~~taking~~ taken from the movie The Dungeonmaster but Mr. Savage said it in the 10th episode? [Source Here](https://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/42054/i-reject-your-reality-and-substitute-my-own-mythbusters-thread)",
"Thanks for writing this, I came to the comments to ask what the other side said. ",
"2 scoops. 2 genders. 2 sexes. 2 terms.",
"Options for it's sex or gender?",
">you're saying your professors decided it means something different now\n\nDefinitions change as we come to understand more about them. That's how science works.\n\nAnyone \"late to the party\" and refusing to acknowledge the research is oftentimes just being dense. Not the same as a bigot, but anti-intellectualism and bigotry tend to go hand-in-hand.",
"no amount of access to writing will be able to help people who can't read.",
"Yeah but that was cultural not scientific, there were 3rd gender people who were culturally accepted in India and in some Native American groups but that doesn't mean that it's not bad for your health, physically and mentally, to just decide you feel like the opposite sex one day. ",
"It's the \"Explosive Decompression, Frog Giggin', Rear Axle\" episode. Specifically the Rear Axle part. According to Wikiquote, anyway.",
"The difference being that one of those is a consensus and the other is not. You can find scientific evidence for many things which will later be proven not to be true but a scientific consensus is as close to absolute fact that the scientific method will allow.",
"Not realistic. We need to accept society is more and more specialised. People need to come to grips with the fact they don't know shit about 99% of topics. We're told we have a vote and a voice yet we have no clue. We're encouraged to get engaged in things we aren't qualified for. \n\nWhy the fuck don't we accept the expertise of the experts?",
"Exactly! We may live in 2018 but there's still a ton about the human brain we don't understand, just to pick one example.",
"Gender is the cultural aspect. It is the role played in the social structure of society. There's no uniform, scientific definition of which gender roles are the optimum.\n\n>but that doesn't mean that it's not bad for your health, physically and mentally, to just decide you feel like the opposite sex one day.\n\nThis shows a tremendous, stunning lack of comprehension on the subject.",
"Science is constantly trying to find truth.. religion is trying to tell you what truth is....see the difference?",
"It's hard to explain things to people who struggled to get all the way thru 'See Bobby run'.",
">pls prove my flawed understanding of the current science\n\nGender is expressible as a spectrum between male and female. This \"exact number of genders\" shit comes across as desperate. It's like asking \"get back to me with the exact number of shades of grey that exist, or I must conclude there is only black and white.\" It's a fundamental misunderstanding, and from the sound of it you don't even _want_ to know more.\n\nDid you know Yale University has an online library indexed? I recommend searching for \"gender expression.\" Just lift a few fingers, that's all.",
"Oh look, a shitty protest sign! It’s been a while since one of these made the front page i was starting to get worried.",
"How is valuing a crowdsourced, selfcorrecting process of dispassionately studying the world turning it into a religion? Religion is taking a dogma on faith.\n\nE: I'm getting downvoted for saying science and valuing it isn't a religion. That's nice, very nice.",
"thats still not enough of a correlation to pass as scientific law. Thats only 2-sigma, need at least 5.",
"yah dude its called the internet, anyone with a cheap smartphone has access to practically every scientific paper ever published... unfortunately they also have access to porn hub, worldstar and r/aww... so where do you think the average sheep uses their data? ",
"Good repost",
"Above, you said that you can change between male and female. That is where their comment came from.",
"It's because some people only believe what is part of their views, if somebody were to find a missing bible page stating dinosaurs were ruled by mankind Flintstone style and that god created them to serve men, more bible thumpers would not deny science on them.",
"Are you also arguing that the range of gender identities available is fixed and immutable? It sounds like you're implying that but you haven't explicitly stated it yet.",
"In regards to climate change I often hear \"ohh well isn't science supposed to be skeptical? You collect data and present it to peers and when new data comes up it's discussed. How can you call yourself a scientist, if you are forcing the answer down our throats?\"\n\nLook... All of that's already been done. We know the solution. Trying to act like \"well it MIGHT be humans, we don't know!\" is like saying \"the earth MIGHT be flat! Why arn't you being constantly skeptical of data??\"\n \n\n",
"\\>humans have 10 fingers. \n\\>NUH HUH SCIENCE SAYS THERES ATLEAST 6BAZINGILLION TYPES OF HANDS. DUM!",
"I really don't know who you are arguing with. Your own ignorance?",
"As a college student, I have gotten so used to seeing \"pay $80 to access out library of research for 4 hours!\"\n\nAnd me going,\n\n\"I guess I'll never know.\"",
"Not even close. It’s called being ostracized. \n\nKeep pulling that nonsense out of your ass, though.",
"Alright thanks, I understand better now. I still think that there is something morally wrong in taking payment for science and information in general. I understand that someone has to pay in some way or another, but having a 3. Party journal profit off just hosting the research done by a professor at an university, I do not agree with. But at least I know why it is this way now.",
"Gender is associated with a penis. There is an extremely high positive correlation between having a penis, and being a man.",
"Richard and Mortimus is indubedebly nifty I do say.",
"That means they are associated, which was the original comment. ",
"Haha, 'people holding signs' and some vague mention of 'science' without any requirement to demonstrate knowledge of it. What a combo! We have a real karma winner here, Reddit! Upvote to confirm your intelligence!",
"The back of the sign says “Evidence Trumps opinions”\n\nSo... that probably",
"I wish people would go beyond the argument in the poster and seek ways to connect with people in order to help them see a different perspective. But it's easier to find the problem and call someone out for it instead of looking for solutions and working with someone to reach that solution.\n\nIt's disappointing to see how offended people get with others' ignorance, as if the ignorant are willfully so, and that they are somehow worse people because they have a different opinion or have been misinformed.\n\nThere is a cure for ignorance, and creating a hashtag and screaming \"bigot\" is like trying to bleed out a cold. \"Bigot\" has become the new \"faggot\", no wonder people felt under attack and voted for a pussy-grabbing, senile man-child for president--they just wanted someone who expressed their frustration. All Fox News and Trump has to do after that was take advantage of the situation.\n\nTrump is just the beginning, if our intolerance of ignorance continues as it does, Trump is only the first of a series of his type to come along. We are fucked soon as someone like him with a brain wins the presidency (Mikey McPence maybe?).",
"Says the lady who likely believes in 75 genders",
"You must be new here. This is basically what this sub is all about at this point.",
"Is this some joke I'm missing out on or are people just being typically and unoriginally transphobic?",
"Often =/= 100%",
"Strange you give me a reply because I'm not the one who says you can change you sex. I am the one who understands we currently lack sufficient genetic manipulation technology to rewrite the human male into human female.",
"Implying that sperm cells are dead...",
"Most people with a penis are male in both the senses of sex and gender, but not always for either. ",
"Your inability to grasp faith is not an argument against it",
"Unpopular opinion here but... It is a pretty valid argument.\n\nIf you're trying to tell me to do something but can't explain to me why I should do it, that isn't a one-sided failure. It's also unethical to force the person to do something they do not understand.\n\nBefore the enlightenment this got many scientists killed because the majority of the population couldn't understand what they were saying and deemed it heresy. Eventually scientists got better and translating what they understood into a language that people could understand, usually through demonstrations. Lets have more of that to expand the worlds knowledge of science instead of telling these people their misunderstandings are invalid. ",
"Can't tell if this is a Mythbuster, Dungeonmaster, or SAO Abridged reference.",
"username checks out",
"Gender is a word that indicates the social role of a person within society, often in relation to sex. Thus, the amount, type and way in which gender roles interact depends entirely on that society.\n\nThird genders have been found in societies all over the world, so the statement that only 2 can exist is ignorant.",
"I understand Scientology enough to know that it's a massive scam and cult.",
"Scientist is a broad term specifically meant to refer to anyone who works in the feild of science which covers everything you said. You are complaining about semantics for no reason, go back to watching rick and morty.",
"You quoted that you could surgically change sex and reaffirmed the statement. That isn't even remotely true.",
"It's a sign at a rally of some sort, that's kind of the point.",
"Well the fanbase should be less cancerous",
">reddit circle jerk and upvotes this\n\n>continues on in another thread to argue the existence of 573 genders ",
"It must be intentional bigotry, everyone knows about attack helicopter gender",
"User name checks out.",
"Most humans have 10 fingers, but not all humans. Likewise, most humans are male or female, biologically speaking, but not all humans. ",
"It is still associated. The sky is associated with the color blue even though it is plenty of other colors.\n\nIm being pedantic about the exact wording of the comment. I figure the entire thread is about someone being an annoying, condescending prick, I may as well join in also.",
"I think you mean *in this exact thread*.",
"Well, it already is a negative meme. This is the ultimate fate of all media with bad fan communities, regardless of the quality of the media itself.",
"It's still true. \n\nArguing against something because you don't understand it is stupid. But we do understand scientology, so we can say it's stupid.",
"We didn't do much, I think you'll find the fandom managed to do most of it perfectly well on their own.",
"> Blindly following something that turns out to be often wrong usually is.\n\nReally? The strength of science **is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes and course correct**. That's why the scientific process has absolutely exploded our knowledge of the World in a few short centuries. Before that, humanity was stuck in the mud with religious explanations for just about everything. Blaming science for being often wrong is silly. You're confusing a willingness to not cling to preconceived notions with being more wrong than other things. Although, I have no idea what other ways you think we have to learn about our surroundings.\n\nAnd, who's blindly following science? Science isn't even a monolithic thing. It's a worldwide process executed by millions of people and thousands of institutions, many of them compete with eachother.",
"The universe has no obligation to make sense to you ",
"Let me guess. You saw this thread and jumped right on your other account to post this?\n\nEdit: aww how cute you logged onto your other accounts to upvote yourself.\n",
"Perhaps, but I don't think you understood his point.",
"I get where they're coming from and what the intention is but telling someone that they're ignorant of science isn't going to make them *not* ignorant.",
"Please cite your articles from reputable journals that show that x race is the superior race. These studies have been classically researched in the past by those whose motives have been to reinforce their agendas. Being the disco Jew you would think you would be more sensitive to the Ernst Hackels et al., who have looked to prove that blacks, gyspies, jews, etc. should be sterilized and exterminated. ",
"It's usually unwillingness.",
"\"Arguing against science\" seems like a fundamental aspect of the scientific method though? I find it a little depressing to see people refer to science as some settled monolith like religion, an authority that can just be appealed to in that same way and must never be questioned...",
"Flu shots cause autism ",
"Isn't the point of science to determine what's true based on dismissing what doesn't make sense to you?",
"There's a buttload of scientific articles on free databases online ",
"Because the school systems all over the world fail to make it sound as cool as it really is. I personally did not start loving math until I needed to start being good at it for my gamedev pursuits. Now when I think about math, I think about it in terms of very colorful, illustrated concepts. \n\nMath is the magic of real life - it's constant, neverchanging and uniform. It's something that reality abides by and we can use to change the world around us. I get how people might be iffy to call it *literal* magic, but it is more akin to magic than not.\n\nBut as a kid - I didn't know any of that. I didn't see past that veil of written math. I didn't grasp the concepts beyond what can be done on paper, using the written numbers.\n\nAnd that's the missing piece. Education should be more about understanding the general gist of the subject and its' applications than the raw body of knowledge that we can all access using books and the Internet anyway.",
"While there's certainly nothing wrong with it, I don't think availability is the big issue.",
"Actually it's typically because of the hatred they receive from bigots like you.",
"To be fair, ",
"Except, not really.\n\nThe scientific basis for race and it's effect on general intelligence is pretty weak. Things like the Flynn effect prove that non-genetic effects exist that are vastly greater than the observed differences, while genetic studies indicate that human genetic variation is such that there are no clearly delineated races.\n\n\nIn contrary, climate change has a tremendous consensus.",
"Oh we can grasp it. We just think it's BS.\n\n>\"Faith is an unreasonable conviction which is assumed without reason and defended against all reason. That’s why faith is the most dishonest position it is possible to have.\"\n~AronRa",
"If someone is protesting the argument that \"63 genders exist\" then they're wasting their time because creationism is actually real.",
"Why are you downvoted for expressing your opinion on a show ?",
"It also ignores the fact that even if something is right, the people that believe it don't necessarily understand it.\n\nSaying 'I believe in climate change' is not the same as understanding it. It's this sort of 'people who disagree are stupid and everyone who agrees is smart' that makes the political climate so divisive and impossible to actually discuss.\n\nEdit: had a stroke when spelling.",
"Boy or girl ",
"A few memers don't reflect an entire fan base though. ",
"Poorly phrased. Science illiteracy is a problem, but if the gap is ignorance and not unwillingness, it falls on the explainer.",
"There is a strong move towards more open access in many fields of science. Someone has to pay for the expenses of peer review , editing, publishing and so on, so it is not trivial.\n\nPublications are rarely the easily readable material, however - they are written for experts.",
"Oops, sorry. I missed the part where I said that any one group was superior. Nice strawman though, it's very Reddit of you. 👍",
"Ironically, would not be an argument from ignorance or at least the fallacy named after such. \n\nIt would still be a terrible argument to say it's not true because I don't understand it, but it's also equally false to say something is true because someone else doesn't understand it as well.",
"My small state university's library can get you any article you want for free, you just have to put in a request. I imagine most do this",
"no.",
"Yes, but empiricism in general has criticisms that are valid. Don't make this into a strawman by claiming that everyone who criticizes science as such is making an \"argument from ignorance\". ",
"So you're equating understanding with agreeing?",
"> If you're trying to tell me to do something but can't explain to me why I should do it, that isn't a one-sided failure. \n\nThat's not generally what's happening. What's happening is that I'm trying to tell you to do something and explain it just fine but you don't want to understand because it upsets a belief that is tied to your self-identity.\n\n>Before the enlightenment this got many scientists killed because the majority of the population couldn't understand what they were saying and deemed it heresy.\n\nThe majority of the population didn't even hear it. The people in power - predominantly religious people - decreed it was heresy because it was different to what they considered to be accepted dogma.",
"Strawman this whataboutism that. Defend your racism. ",
"This can apply to all sides, all people, all issues. But maybe that was your intention.",
"So you are telling me that there is not a dramatic increase in suicides among people who decide to go trans? Where is the lack of comprehension? That's a \"scientific\" fact or just common sense as I would call it that changing your physiology through chemical injections and loads of medications that your body does not naturally create is in fact bad for your health physically and mentally. But just quote something I say and say I don't understand without explaining why because that's the leftist way of arguing. ",
"Nothing to grasp about fiction. Fiction is fiction",
"I think part of the problem is also basic scientific training and mindset. Being scientific is not merely the absorption of knowledge, it is a state of mind, the way the world is perceived and questioned and most people do not have that. There is enough anti-intellectualism in this country that this kind of basic mindset training is often rejected. You can't understand the results and conclusions gain from scientific inquiry if you do not even understand or are not interested in understanding basic principles of how it works. When you have entire cultures that are anti-intellectual, they primed their children to reject scientific truths or downplay its importance, you breed a segment of population that cannot understand basic science and are gullible enough to be easily fooled by any snake oil conman.",
"No, I am expressing my thought that you didn't understand his point.",
"I prefer to base my world view on ancient fairy tales. ",
"Regardless of what the argument is against, simply not grasping is not an argument that holds- there are other arguments against things that are both valid and not based on inability to grasp them",
"What issue would this be associated with? Cause things may vary ",
"\"What would experts know?\"\n\n\". . .\"",
"I honestly think it's morally wrong that we expect services for free. The problem with America currently is that so many of us are too poor to afford anything that isn't free.\n\nScience costs money - science has been done by nobles and by rich people throughout most of history. I would love for government research to be beloved by the population, and we get taxed to make sure scientists are getting paid. But we have America, where science needs to be privatized for a profit. So most science is done based on the companies need. not based on exploring the world. And that sucks. \n\nWe as citizens need to be willing to be taxed for the betterment of our people. either through healthcare, education, research, etc. But we're afraid of big government (not saying there isn't good reason to. our government is shady af). But there needs to be a middle ground and better rights for people.",
"From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!",
"“Gender” is an ultimately meaningless social construct. “How many genders are there?” is more of a philosophical and sociological question than a scientific one. \n\nSo, yes, you’re still anti-science. I’ll trust the mountain of evidence over a flawed self-contradicting book.",
"Shit like this is literally what the sign is talking about. Surely people can grasp the hypocrisy here or? \n\n",
">So you are telling me that there is not a dramatic increase in suicides among people who decide to go trans?\n\nThere isn't.\n\nYou're referring to an often misquoted and generally misunderstood study that shows that suicide among the trans population is higher than among the normal population.\n\nBut see, that's the thing, it compares Trans with normal. Not pre-trans with post-trans.\n\nWhat that study actually shows is that while transitioning can improve things, it does not resolve all issues 100%. It doesn't mean that transgenders don't exist, or that they act upon a whim. Those are all ideas that have been disproven long ago. All it says is that there's need for post-operation support.\n\n>But just quote something I say and say I don't understand without explaining why because that's the leftist way of arguing.\n\nI had to get more detail out of you in order to react upon it. Your comment was way to vague to bother adressing otherwise.",
"Although I do agree, protesting against those people with a sign like this isn’t going to change their mind",
"Dude, Wikipedia will get your foot in the door to knowledge in pretty much anything, what's happening today is willful ignorance.",
"Paging u/mistersavage",
"Gender associations and human biology are two different subjects. Gender associations would fall under sociology, psychology, or communication, depending on the angle they are looked at. ",
"How can one not care how the world works?",
"From the pragmatic new wave feminism until the antivacc stupidity movement which both share a lot of ppl actualy. Twitter spectrum of population isnt as wide as we might think",
"The media loves it because it sells, i.e. the customers love it.",
"I'm willing to change my mind if you link me studies that were properly peer reviewed and cited by not just gender studies professors",
"sauce please\n",
"There’s only 2 genders.",
"aren't they usually religious nuts too?",
"Seriously tho...\n\nWhomever?\n\nWhat fucking year is it?",
"So sex then. Also it's male or female.\n\nAnd what if it's a hermaphrodite?",
"Anti-Anti-Vaxxer",
"i think that's the point...",
"You do understand that the scientologist would say, \"sorry, no you don't.\" Incidentally, those who argue against science would have replied just as you did.\n\nThe only real problem that I have with the sign myself is that it holds the potential to become a \"just so\" argument. We still have to state what makes science so useful, what exactly we are trying to do with it, and even point out its weaknesses.\n\nConsidering some of the stuff I've read over the years, some well-meaning science supporters know even less about what science is about than some of its detractors. The scary thing there is that we end up with something that has \"science\" in the name, but is nothing like what you or I understand science to be.",
"> Gender is a word that indicates the social role of a person within society, often in relation to sex.\n\nNo, it doesn't. It does for some people. But, a blanket statement like that is patently false. Most people don't have a such a binary distinction between biology and the social aspect of gender norms, and they certainly don't define two separate words to cleanly distinguish between them. For most people, the words 'sex' and 'gender' mean the same thing. You can try to redefine the words in the public consciousness if you want, but (as of right now) making an argument based on the assertion that those words have a well established binary distinction is a fallacious one.\n\nYou still need to clarify what aspect of behavior you believe are primarily driven by biology and what is predominantly driven by culture. It's not as if we are all blank slates with no inborn propensities, and not everyone will assume the same the same dividing line between nature and nurture that you will.",
"Failure is always an option.",
"I agree totally agree..you should argue against science and test your hypothesis. That's how we established scientific laws. And also found that there are in fact 2 genders lol ",
"Luckily you're not an expert on the subject. Wilful ignorance still makes you a bigot.\n\nAs far as mental disorders, I heard they were going to start considering racists and bigots mentally ill.",
"The rest are males or females with birth defects",
"Just wanted to say that you made me giggle like an idiot at work with that last bit",
">Your inability to grasp anime is not a valid argument against it!\n\n>Your inability to grasp Rick and Morty is not a valid argument against it!\n\n>Your inability to grasp Sonic is not a valid argument against it!\n\n>Your inability to grasp UFOs is not a valid argument against it!\n\nThis is fun, anyone else want a turn?",
"Exactly. Race is real.",
"There's a difference between being uninterested in how the world works and outright denying it. ",
"The difference is the way of questioning. I don't think many people are arguing that science should not be questioned, but that it should be done in a constructive and thought out way. \n\nThe people I believe this sign is referring to are the sort that won't have any evidence and confuse their opinion with fact, that is a dangerous way of doing things. \n\nBasically, if you're going to argue against \"science\" do it using the scientific method, or at least try to and you'll get a lot more respect from people. ",
"Science is a bitch sometimes",
"You could say the same thing about god though.........",
"You're a talking about a level of academics that is well beyond the needs of a layman. A more than successful improvement on scientific literacy among common citizens would be to simply get the devoted Christian Evangelicals and Alt-Right types to understand something as rudimentary as what's taught on the [Tom Scott channel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm8ZoVQ_OJo), [SmarterEveryDay](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8mzDvpKzfY), and [Crash Course](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3u4EFTwprM) \n",
"Not really.",
"THATS the problem! CLASSES! classes make (or can make) science boring and tedious. most teachers approach the subject all wrong. technically only a nihilist could hate science, or i guess they would be ambivalent towards it? i dunno i never read Niche or however you spell that dudes name but if there is anything, anything at all in life in general that you take enjoyment from, or even just appreciate marginally, then you like science, because science is what allows that thing to exist or happen. science is understanding that thing so that it can be reproduced and enjoyed again. \"derp derp i hate science I'm a meat head i only like baseball!\" oh yah? so a monkey hits a rock with a stick, fun right? the monkey thinks so. 200,000 years later we have refined this into our meat heads precious baseball.. how? with science thats how! understanding the different densities and flexibility of different types of wood for making bats, understanding that a certain stitching pattern on the ball will effect aerodynamics. even the ratio of distance between bases and the average amount of time a ball stays in the air when hit. its all science, EVERYTHING is science! no one hates science, people merely hate how their garbage ass science teachers did their jobs. ",
"There's a difference between ignorance and just plain not being interested in it, a lot of people just don't find science that interesting so they don't go out looking for it, doesn't mean they reject new info if they do come across it though",
"Can confirm. I saw this episode when it aired. Knees were slapped.",
"Arguing against the reality of scientific findings in a non scientific, non evidence based approach isn't the scientific method nor is it rational.",
">It is a pretty valid argument\n\nWell, no it's not, because \"science\" in this context has varying definitions among different people. The message on this poster is too vague for any meaningful discussion, and is reddit-tier levels of pretentiousness.\n\nJust in this thread, you already see people arguing the difference between gender and sex, and both sides are as claiming their stance as \"real science\".\n\nNow let's not even get started on race and IQ...",
"Nope. Fuck your broad and accurate evidence. I’m still you libterd. /s",
"I also fart in your general direction",
"Instead, I rigged up a Python script to just randomly print \"*b-burp*,\" \"aw jeeze,\" and \"wubba lubba dub dub\" over and over on my spare monitor.\n\nIt's basically the same thing.",
"Your inability to understand biology isn't a very convincing argument. ",
"Personally I don't really care about science, other than the occasional \"that's neat, what's it good for?\" whenever one of my sciency friends tells me something cool. I'm more about the social sciences, discussing and exploring topics that are to me more accessible in my own life and more relevant to me from day to day. It's much more important to me, I think, to stay updated on politics, economics and history. \n\nNot really caring about science doesn't mean you aren't interested in the world. ",
"Distrust the Scientific Method -They Live",
"Nothing about the Bible is flawed or contradictory.",
"Just two days ago Nature (the most respected science journal on the planet) published a groundbreaking article explaining how there is a greater genetic basis for intelligence than was previously thought. \n\nhttps://www.nature.com/articles/nrg.2017.104",
"Arguing with someone doesn't get your point across and almost always leaves the other party angrier towards you. Demonstrations work better, and if no other option is available, agree with them on everything and convince them that you're following their way, while doing your own thing. \n\nEveryone stays happy that way.",
"Yes, but just because it is possible to be born without ten fingers, doesn't mean that, at a biological level, it is supposed to happen.",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender \nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender ",
"It irks me when people assume anything \"science\" to be absolute fact. Like 500 years ago it was \"scientific fact\" that the sun revolves around the earth. I understand the sentiment, but science is a lot less stable than most people make it out to be. ",
"I don't understand evolution and I have to protect my kids from understanding!",
"Stupidity is not a right.",
"Sure you are",
"She probably watches Big Bang Theory. ",
"This. Holy crap it drive me up the wall when anti science people scream \"it's just a theory.\"",
"/r/rickandmorty is leaking...",
"That is pretty much what this sign does. \n\nI understand slogans are, by their nature, reductionist and are simplifications. However, the scientific mind would immediately look at that sign and rip apart its \"just so\" declaration. ",
"Alternative reality",
">You do understand that the scientologist would say, \"sorry, no you don't.\"\n\nIn which he would be making a fallacy.\n\nThe fallacy lies in being unable to explain why someone misunderstands, not the in the idea that misunderstanding is not equal to disproving something.",
"As a rule, Don't trust institutions. You can't hold them to account. -They Live",
"No, I can grasp science fine. Better than you given how totally incapable you people are of criticizing it.\n\nThe many texts engaged in criticism against science are a valid argument. In fact, I would say you folk are the ones arguing from ignorance.\n\nScientism is not a justified ideology.",
"I highly doubt this sign is directed at scientists arguing about the progression of science. I mean, cmon.",
"You would end up with something that has science in the name, but had nothing to do with science itself.",
"Respect Celebrity - They Live",
"The world of science isn't as black and white as this sign is making it seam. Unless the topic regards scientific facts, then the waters can actually get pretty muddy. It's easy to point fingers at someone and call them a \"nonbeliever\" when in reality most people haven't even read any literature on the subject that they claim so surely to know as fact. My comment is not one of politics, but of scientific objectivity. New data is constantly released on a topic that often completely contradicts the former. This makes it difficult to ground your ideologies on a subject of which science has likely scratched the surface. For this reason, many are cynical in regards to the integration of science in politics. ",
"this is it. this is the shitpost that got me to filter /r/pics from my /r/all. I agree with the picture too, but this is from like the science march from a year ago. karma farming is shite.",
"Well the irony is that a lot of typical laymen don't actually have the required education or qualifications to understand or replicate a lot of science, so they are essentially taking the claims of scientific professionals on faith because their political ideologies have instructed them to.\n\nLike, back when I took Astronomy 101 one of the very early chapters in my textbook had a thought exercise asking the reader how they would prove the earth is round in a time before we had the technology to get into space and actually take pictures of it. And it really gave me pause for a bit. Because the actual answer involves things like using trigonometry to observe the position of the sun in the sky at various latitudes and comparing them, or inferring based on the shadow cast on the moon during a lunar eclipse, or understanding the geometry behind the angular rotation of the stars around a celestial pole, but even this real basic simple shit is something that not a lot of science \"believers\" might be able to tell you. They'll just go \"well duh, we have pictures of it.\" But what about when a flat-earther tells you the photos are fake? Suddenly you're stumped and oh shit, maybe you start questioning whether they might have a point because you don't actually understand how you can prove it from the ground. We just have smart people doing all the legwork for us and we take what they say at face value because we trust them, and because the nature of competition in the field and peer review gives us assurance that incorrect assertations will be found out and decried. But ultimately a significant contingent of these political activists are not qualified scientific professionals; they're just followers of a doctrine that some popsci dude or political talk show host on tv told them was legit, or because it makes them feel smart by association, or, the most common of all, because everybody else in their group believes it too. Fundamentally not all that big of a difference from what's going on in a lot of the red states. Just waving a paper they trust but don't really understand beyond that it affirms that they're the ones who are right. \n\nPolitics is poison to science, and agendas massively corrupt objectivity. It's why Bill Nye turned into such a shitter nowadays. Dude's more prophet than professor. ",
"Reddit isn't the same with out them",
"\"Science\" is the new religion. It is infallible, and anyone who questions Science is a a blasphemer. Science is set in stone, and is never changing, and can never be challenged... Except for that time Science said homosexuality was a mental illness, and then said it wasn't, and that time Science said their was a hole in the Ozone layer... We **do not** talk about the hole in the Ozone later.\n\nScience is **never** wrong. ",
"that's kinda the point of science.\n\nstill better than \"you can't 100% prove it's not true, so obviously all of it is true\"",
"I remember posting this on /r/Catholicism and getting banned from the sub ",
"Why would anyone pray to something that does not exist. ",
"THERE IS NOT A PERSON ALIVE WHO CAN COMPREHEND MY SEXUAL PREFERENCE",
">and they certainly don't define two separate words to cleanly distinguish between them. For most people, the words 'sex' and 'gender' mean the same thing.\n\nThe fact that people use a word wrong doesn't make it become meaningless. Hell, if we went that way, half the scientific literature would become meaningless.\n\nYour argument relies of the fallacious assumption that you get to define a word in such a way as to make the argument nonsense.\n\nThe simple fact is that gender is used by relevant scientific organisations to indicate the social role and all that. Deliberatly misunderstanding that is simply dishonest.",
"All three of those things are observable, testable and repeatable - just not *directly*. So, while we cannot observe a black hole as such, we *can* observe Hawking radiation, gravitational lensing, the paths of other celestial bodies nearby, stars being hoovered up, excretion disks and x-rays.",
"They are Euphoric I bet",
"Viral Memetic Warfare is alive and well.",
"There is so much accessible science out there, people just don’t care. PBS, NOVA, any BBC earth thing, any of the gazillion YouTube channels, numerous magazines (popular science, popular mechanic etc.), any number of podcasts, NPR (science Friday is great!). ",
"Atheism correlates with believing in infinite genders? Because atheists believe in evolution and believing in evolution carries the 'same social stigma'?\n\nYou 100% never had these conversations or you know some very very specific and odd people and generalizing atheism from them.",
"People like you have diminished gender to an emotional state and dont understand why people have stopped caring about that now. Be whatever gender you want , just make everything according to your biological sex now. ",
"Is that Hillary?",
"Because Drumpf is literally Hitler!!!1!",
"I mean you can? Just because you are too thick skulled to believe that others have different opinions. Thats on you bud",
"Yes and there are also recorded instances of people growing horns out of their head. Its not enough of a problem to kick up a fuss about and I'd be pretty annoyed if people started parading about for the liberation of horn people and getting horn transplants. ",
"Shhh shhhh I've stopped listening there's no point. /s",
"Define science, because computer model with tweaked entry data is far from the science. ",
"Racist REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe",
"As per the Scientific Method from 6th grade:\n\n1) Observable\n\n2) Testable\n\n3)Repeatable\n",
"Aww, someone's still mad about our current president, how cute...",
"This is so old ",
"That some people are found and others are lost lol? See I can also use some of your poor reasoning skills :-)",
"Someone taking a jab at the amount of believed genders makes them a racist?\n\n\nDo you even know what that word means, or are you just using it as an catch-all argument ender?",
"Science is only self-correcting if you take a macro view. In the micro, single generation span, it's usually self enforcing.\n\nThe scientific process IS the best, but if you think for a moment that contemporary different isn't rife with group think, dogma, politics and personalities (as it always has been) then you are mistaken.\n\nThe normal mechanism is that a scientist comes up with an explanation antithetical to current thought. That guy is widely ridiculed and discredited. Career is often ruined. Then they die. Then the next generation finds out that they are completely right and everyone else was wrong and shirt sighted and stuck in their ways because they had a religion-like attachment to their existing dogma. This is true for everything from germ theory a century ago to ulcers a couple of decades ago. A huge chunk of my parents generation wasn't breast fed because science thought that formula was superior. That was the widely held scientific consensus throughout the 60's & 70's. It took decades for doctors and hospitals to change course on that one.\n\n",
"here's the thing - literally everybody agrees with this. ",
"I don't see how anyone can not want to understand why they exist. It's like someone told them \"Your purpose is to flip burgers until you die\" and they just said \"Oh, OK\".",
"There is no evidence to support your argument. I don't trust in something that have no evidence, that is for stupid people.\n\nFiction is fiction, and facts are facts. Shame some people cannot see the difference.",
"Shut up round earthers, you know nothing\n\n/s",
"> It is infallible, and anyone who questions Science is a a blasphemer. Science is set in stone, and is never changing, and can never be challenged... \n\nThe only people I've ever hard say such things are people like you trying to convince us that people do, in fact, say such things.\n",
"The problem is when personal bias takes over, and people begin picking and choosing which parts of science to believe. \n\nScience isn't one-sided, it's based on clashing theories, and ever-changing discoveries. Even unfounded concepts like flat earth is a part of science. Stupid, yes, but overwhelming evidence isn't always correct (quantum physics constantly changing). \n\nScience is definitely more reliable than religion, but even science requires faith. Overall I agree, but sometimes science gets stupid too. \n\n\"Scientists say people who drink a gallon of vodka a day are more successful!\"- Facebook\n\nEDIT: So people don't take this the wrong way, I don't believe in flat earth. There just might be X% chance I could be wrong, but I have faith in a round earth.",
"Yea but when you ask how many fingers a person has, a normal person doesn’t include the statistical outliers.",
"*The Science of Interstellar* is phenomenal, and I recommend it to everybody and anybody. ",
"So do people who believe the definitions of \"gender\" and \"sex\" are different, also believe that these two terms have always had different definitions?\n",
"Scientific discourse is different from being willfully ignorant of empirical evidence, though.",
"\"God has all the answers!\"\n\nIt's words like these that make you realize that logic was never on the table.",
"How isn't it going well? ",
"*looks at black community*",
"To be fair, you can say the same for religion.\n\n\nAnd yeah, I know I'm gonna get down voted and told off by people who dont understand that me pointing out something doesn't mean it's my opinion and I agree with it. For those who understand this, you get what I am saying. It's an interesting observation is all and it fits perfectly. \n\n\nJust saying this isn't a good rebuttal. Science is real and religion is fake Yada Yada. But one could easily say \" Your Inability to grasp religion is not a valid argument against it\".\n\n\n**Edit** yup. If you don't have anything to say beyond repeating the bandwagon dribble, you may as well not even post here.",
"The entire point about science is constantly questioning everything new we discover and adapt all our theories to this new information. Science is not questioning the basic laws that govern physics.",
"Hey what can you do? We cant all live in a fairy tale land.",
"Science doesn’t give us perfect answers to everything, but it provides the best possible knowledge we can have at that point.\n\nRejecting scientific answers because they are probably not 100% exact and might be modified to become even better in the future, and then believing in something that has been shown to be wrong already is just ridiculous.\n\nWe don’t know if the Earth is 4.50 or 4.57 billion years old or something similar. But we know it is somewhere around 4.55 billions. 6000 years is not an equal option.",
"The preview of this made me think this was a very different post",
"The definition of gender in that way dates back to 1955.\n\nIn fact, when it was introduced, gender was only used for grammar.",
"Ofc not, science is based on evidence. Religion is just fiction like all other fiction books.",
"Why would someone accept something into their life as undisputable fact if they didn't even understand it in the first place?\n\nDumb sign. These people suck at proselytizing.",
"I'm so smart, I understood Rick and Morty before I even watched it.",
"Lmfao I mean come on dude. Stop trying to act educated on Reddit. You ain't. Because if you reaaaaaly wanted evidence you could do a quick google search matching events and people from the bible. But you that's asking too much from someone who thinks he is an elitist haha",
"How much of a bigot are you to assume personhood? I identify as a Apache helicopter ",
"If my comment was to vague and you didn't understand it why was your first reaction to say I don't know what I'm talking about. Either way it's not healthy, I don't care what people do with their bodies but I'm quite tired of the left saying that we are not accepting science when it's not science to say you're a girl all of a sudden. ",
"He’s just telling the truth. ",
"*Some* science is unstable. Much of it has such huge piles of evidence supporting it that a paradigm shift with similar amounts of evidence would be required to destabilise it.\n\nAlas, it is those things that people most often deny - evolution, vaccines and so on.",
"Has anyone got a peer reviewed study showing tgat giving the un original sin existence tithes will stop climates from changing? \n\n",
"Ok what *was* his point?",
"They do not argue in good faith. Even if they \"lose\" the argument, nothing was accomplished because they were never open to changing their mind in the first place.\n\nPut another way, don't argue with idiots because they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. ",
"Asking questions to learn is a lot different from accepting whatever is told to you. Educate yourself.",
"Por que no los tres?",
"Science is a absolute fact, absolute untill changed by new information. And for the record, we already knew that the earth revolves around the sun more then 2000 years ago. ",
"How people answer questions and think about the human condition as an abstract is a different subject than biology. ",
"This is actually just ad hominem - an all too common fallacy these days. Not a real argument. ",
"An anomaly outside of the norm. Just because they exist, doesn't mean that you get to pick your sex after birth. ",
"I'm surprised you got as many downvotes as you did, disappointing...",
"Lmao you are so dumb, wtf do you mean supply and demand economics",
"I can prove the laws of physics to you, I can't prove god.",
"He is bad though ",
"Same here, thanks parent commentator.",
"Your inability to grasp God is not a valid argument against it",
"We need to keep this in mind. \n\nMy scenario is...People as a whole take science as absolute fact over everything and they get stuck because they don't seek new avenues or challenge old theories, because \"science is always right\".\n\nWhereas we know that theories may be proven false and establish a better theory (like the sun orbiting us is actually us orbiting the sun) but the populace won't budge because of the established information prior.\n\n",
"I see you English",
"Did you miss a /S?\n\nOr have you not caught the memo that biological categories of race have been discredited for decades?",
"Aww, the person you're replying to deleted their comment before I could send my reply. Here's what I was going to send, and [here's](https://i.imgur.com/rKwdPfZ.png) their original comment.\n\n---\n\nIgnoring the fact you have to stretch pretty hard for that definition to suit you, let's look at an area of science quite a bit more related to the subject: Psychology.\n\nHow about the American Psychological Association's Guidelines for Psychological Practice With\nTransgender and Gender Nonconforming People. It's quite a hefty document with dozens upon dozens of sources, published by one of the largest scientific organizations in the world, and one of the most well respected ones at that.\n\n# [American Psychological Association](https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf):\n\n># Foundational Knowledge and Awareness\n\n>## *Guideline 1. Psychologists understand that gender is a nonbinary construct that allows for a range of gender identities and that a person’s gender identity may not align with sex assigned at birth.*\n\n>\n\n>***Rationale.*** Gender identity is defined as a person’s deeply felt, inherent sense of being a girl, woman, or female; a boy, a man, or male; a blend of male or female; or an alternative gender (Bethea & McCollum, 2013; Institute of Medicine [IOM], 2011). In many cultures and religious traditions, gender has been perceived as a binary construct, with mutually exclusive categories of male or female, boy or girl, man or woman (Benjamin, 1966; Mollenkott, 2001; Tanis, 2003). These mutually exclusive categories include an assumption that gender identity is always in alignment with sex assigned at birth (Bethea & McCollum, 2013). For TGNC people, gender identity differs from sex assigned at birth to varying degrees, and may be experienced and expressed outside of the gender binary (Harrison, Grant, & Herman, 2012; Kuper, Nussbaum, & Mustanski, 2012).\n\n>Gender as a nonbinary construct has been described and studied for decades (Benjamin, 1966; Herdt, 1994; Kulick, 1998). There is historical evidence of recognition, societal acceptance, and sometimes reverence of diversity in gender identity and gender expression in several different cultures (Coleman et al., 1992; Feinberg, 1996; Miller & Nichols, 2012; Schmidt, 2003). Many cultures in which gender nonconforming persons and groups were visible were diminished by westernization, colonialism, and systemic inequity (Nanda, 1999). In the 20th century, TGNC expression became medicalized (Hirschfeld, 1910/1991), and medical interventions to treat discordance between a person’s sex assigned at birth, secondary sex characteristics, and gender identity became available (Meyerowitz, 2002). \n\n>As early as the 1950s, research found variability in how an individual described their gender, with some participants reporting a gender identity different from the culturally defined, mutually exclusive categories of “man” or “woman” (Benjamin, 1966). In several recent large online studies of the TGNC population in the United States, 30% to 40% of participants identified their gender identity as other than man or woman (Harrison et al., 2012; Kuper et al., 2012). Although some studies have cultivated a broader understanding of gender (Conron, Scout, & Austin, 2008), the majority of research has required a forced choice between man and woman, thus failing to represent or depict those with different gender identities (IOM, 2011). Research over the last two decades has demonstrated the existence of a wide spectrum of gender identity and gender expression (Bockting, 2008; Harrison et al., 2012; Kuper et al., 2012), which includes people who identify as either man or woman, neither man nor woman, a blend of man and woman, or a unique gender identity. A person’s identification as TGNC can be healthy and self-affirming, and is not inherently pathological (Coleman et al., 2012). However, people may experience distress associated with discordance between their gender identity and their body or sex assigned at birth, as well as societal stigma and discrimination (Coleman et al., 2012). \n\n>Between the late 1960s and the early 1990s, healthcare to alleviate gender dysphoria largely reinforced a binary conceptualization of gender (APA TFGIGV, 2009; Bolin, 1994; Hastings, 1974). At that time, it was considered an ideal outcome for TGNC people to conform to an identity that aligned with either sex assigned at birth or, if not possible, with the “opposite” sex, with a heavy emphasis on blending into the cisgender population or “passing” (APA TFGIGV, 2009; Bolin, 1994; Hastings, 1974). Variance from these options could raise concern for health care providers about a TGNC person’s ability to transition successfully. These concerns could act as a barrier to accessing surgery or hormone therapy because medical and mental health care provider endorsement was required before surgery or hormones could be accessed (Berger et al., 1979). Largely because of self-advocacy of TGNC individuals and communities in the 1990s, combined with advances in research and models of trans-affirmative care, there is greater recognition and acknowledgment of a spectrum of gender diversity and corresponding individualized, TGNC-specific health care (Bockting et al., 2006; Coleman et al., 2012).\n\n>## *Guideline 2. Psychologists understand that gender identity and sexual orientation are distinct but interrelated constructs.*\n\nI'll leave it to you to open the PDF and give the rationale a read. Actually, I won't, because you'll almost certainly just pick apart the verbiage in the guidelines themself, so here's quotes that show that you're, well, **completely** wrong:\n\n>>So yea, gender isn't sex, but it 100% is based on sex.\n\n\"For TGNC people, gender identity differs from sex assigned at birth to varying degrees, and may be experienced and expressed outside of the gender binary (Harrison, Grant, & Herman, 2012; Kuper, Nussbaum, & Mustanski, 2012).\"\n\n>>even though some cultures may have more than one gender, we don't\n\n\"Research over the last two decades has demonstrated the existence of a wide spectrum of gender identity and gender expression (Bockting, 2008; Harrison et al., 2012; Kuper et al., 2012), which includes people who identify as either man or woman, neither man nor woman, a blend of man and woman, or a unique gender identity.\"",
"You'll almost never find a good argument on a sign. Signs are best for stating laws, practical information, and warning of dangers, and not much else.",
"Roasted",
"Yes , you believe that some fiction written back in the days is true, because that book told you so. Just throw logic and reasoning out the window. I'm not elitist, I just don't believe in things we have no reason to believe in.\n\nCongratulations believing in something that is fiction. Do you believe in Hogwarts also? Or perhaps the middle earth and Sauron?",
"We must safe my family!",
"You think the mods care at all? If its politics, it stays like 95% of the time",
"We have observed evolution in many species and archelogical finds though..",
"Simple transphobia, combined with plentiful strawmen to ridicule everything.",
"And yet, I'm guessing you're a Christian?\n\nThought so.",
"It's a useless message though. Why would you argue with someone who doesn't understand what you're talking about?\n\nLet's say I tell you not to touch a live high-voltage alternating current wire, but you're *insistent* on doing it, even though you don't understand what's voltage, current, or their effects on the human body, or that you'll ground the circuit and my house will lose power because of you. Should I argue with you? Should I tell you \"your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it\"? That's just flippant and useless. I don't want my house to lose power, but I also can't get you to understand the consequences of your actions.\n\nEither I explain things to you on your level, or I force you to do as I say without explaining it to you.\n\nPresumably, that's the situation this protestor is in, and instead of communicating she's being obtuse.",
"I could be bounded in a nutshell and consider myself king of infinite space.",
"The self-righteousness is what makes it funny,",
"“Anti science”people are antiscience because it interferes with their agenda, not because they’re stupid. ",
"The OP is another one of those karma whore accounts that has appeared lately. Every single time I log onto reddit the username is on the frontpage of all or popular.",
"[Hmmm....](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=supply+and+demand+economics)\n\nI'm sorry you didn't make it past 7th grade social studies. Here's some basic info for you.",
"meh, that's a very narrow minded point. are you telling me that you're interested in EVERY field of science? that's just not possible. ",
"T_D is leaking. Not sure if excite or mortify",
"Would bet a lot of money on 99% of redditors failing a \"theory, hypothesis, or law\" test.",
"This is a beautiful and elegant response. Much respect to you. I've often pondered the same things, coming from a Christian perspective. Often times, we're just trusting some dude, no matter what side of the issue we're on.",
"But Hitler did nothing wrong",
"I'm surprised no one mentioned anti-flat earth yet.",
"If we could expand \"research\" to mean a bit more than \"I spent 30 seconds skimming the relevant Wikipedia article\" as well, that'd be grand.",
"People used to say. \nThose who know, do.\nThose who don't, teach. \nThose who know the shit rule the world.",
"I’m all for LGBT rights and I think they shouldn’t be discriminated against, but the cultural animosity has fuck all to do with it. It just comes with the gender dysphoria. It’s awful, but not acknowledging what the problem is isn’t going to help make the problem go away. DO U KNO DEWAE ",
"Careful the SJWs have taken over this sub ",
"Do and say whatever you like i cant stop ya, just know that nothing you do or say will stop any of the 60 or whatever genders from be an international punchline. ",
"The three other genders I mentioned, when added together, are about as common as natural red hair. So yes, they are rare, but perhaps not as rare as you are imagining. ",
"And who says you can't accept what you are told while also looking for your own answers? Why isn't someone allowed to follow something on faith and others on research. \nAnother poor example, but thats what happens when you think a Reddit Degree makes you educated. Cringe",
"Basically every college (in the US, at least) has access to nearly all of those journals available for the students and will probably get access to ones they don't have if you have a valid academic need for it. Ask your college librarian (not the student workers at the desk, the actual librarian). They'll very likely be happy to help you gain access.",
"The French philosopher Denis Diderot was visiting Russia on Catherine the Great's invitation. However, the Empress was alarmed that the philosopher's arguments for atheism were influencing members of her court, and so Euler was asked to confront the Frenchman. Diderot was later informed that a learned mathematician had produced a proof of the existence of God: he agreed to view the proof as it was presented in court. Euler appeared, advanced toward Diderot,\nand in a tone of perfect conviction announced:\n\n&nbsp;\n\n*\"Sir, a+b^n / z = x, hence God exists! Reply!\".*\n\n---------------\n\nYou don't need to be a mathematician to know that this proof isn't a great one, but the problem remains - how do you grapple with \"proof\" of events you don't understand?",
"It's like politics in a nutshell. \"Your inability to grasp President Trump being crooked is not valid\" vs \"your inability to grasp President Trumps accomplishments is not valid.\"\n\nIt's like everybody refuses to listen towards anything against their mindset. Myself included! ",
">Climate change is real, the science is settled, you can't argue against that. ",
"\"Settled Science\" is a religion.\n\nIt is a dogma that cannot be questioned.",
"How bad did it hurt when you hit your head?",
"Reality rejected, synapses shattered...banishement, from this world!",
"Sure. Neuroscience fits that bill.\n\n[Here's](http://www.pnas.org/content/112/50/15468.full) a study by neuroscientists indicating that sexually-dimorphic brain activity is more fluid than binary.\n\n[Here's](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754583/) one showing that distinct grey matter patterns serve as indicators for non-conformity to sex, thereby indicating that gender is fundamentally more than anatomy.\n\nFinally [here's](http://www.jneurosci.org/content/34/46/15466) one with a control group for men and women, with findings that indicate that patterns e.g., diffusivity, hormone levels, etc., are present in different and correlative amounts between groups using gender identity as a decision point, even between transgendered and non-transgendered people. This suggests that the strength of certain patterns is correlated to gender expression, even among members of the same biological sex, which indicates gender is not just two discrete points.",
"Aww, someone still thinks our president's willful ignorance is a good thing, how sad...",
"I'm pro science but this shouldn't drive anyone crazy IMO. \n\nThey're correct. It is just a theory. If they're able to provide you with a better theory which makes more sense, can be reproduced multiple times, and gains support via peer-review over a long period of time - then their theory should be considered superior. \n\nIf not, then the best theory until that happens takes precedence. \n\n\nConstantly challenging theories is the spirit of science. Nothing should be accepted as a unquestionable law. This is also the actual reason behind all the flat earth stuff - it's a underground grassroots effort for people to get more involved in science. ",
"That's not the same thing at all,\nYou're saying you either:\n\nA.) Study science relentlessly until you understand how everything in the universe works\n\nB.) Work at a fast food restaurant\n\nThere's more choices than that.",
"I have always found it interesting that many liberals argue that conservatives *reject science*, yet a sizable portion of liberals’ arguments are hugely emotion based rather than science based. ",
"It drives me up the wall when people take scientific theories as if they are immutable truths of the universe and argue that Mathematics is God's language.\n\nIt drives me even further up the wall when people make stupid logical leaps instead of admitting the limits of the current paradigm.\n\nThe map is not the territory.",
"You are defending fiction - then attacking me for being vegan? Vegan is great way to preserve our environment and reduce our impact on global warming.\n\nThere is nothing to discuss about religion, there is no evidence that a god exist. ",
"but this post did not mention trump whatsoever.....",
"But muh politics based on post-structuralism, Critical Theory, and fashionable (but utterly out-dated) continental philosophy in the 70s reserved for hilariously under-educated English majors who went on to make women and gender studies departments instead of biologists, sociologists and other specialists, which created many of the modern leftist ideologies infecting the naive today by screaming science instead of doing it.",
"Was coming to post this. Sure, people who have a hard time with science will suddenly become better at it if you call them idiots...",
"\"Your inability to grasp Chevy is not a valid argument against Ford.\"",
"Brazil could use some anti-vaxxers though, as they've been known to cause sterility in boys. Makes me glad I live in the US with our superior healthcare and medical technology.",
"Oooh let's see who down votes me for this.\n\nHere's some science for ya:\n[Black people have an average IQ of 80. Whites and Asians nearer 110](http://www.8asians.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/8a-smart.jpg)\n\nhttps://www.amazon.com/Bell-Curve-Intelligence-Structure-Paperbacks/dp/0684824299\n\nDown vote science bitch.\n",
"How did that guy get crazy up voted and you down voted in to oblivion? ",
"> selfcorrecting\n\n> dispassionate\n\ntop kek",
"Fuck no, if you dont believe evolution is real i cant take you seriously. Im a firm believer in the line of thinking that states gay people are just natures population control, nothing more nothing less. ",
"How is climate change the basic laws that govern physics? ",
"Conservatives fear science and embrace ignorance.",
"Oh thats bullshit and we all know it. The suicide rate is sky high in the trans community to the point a majority of trans groups focus heavily on it as a core issue. This nintendo 64 genders shit kills me because it moves the arguement away from actual important shit; suicide rates, resources for transitioning, and assistance for people who were removed from their home because their family didn't approve. Thats import, not all this other garbage",
"Have you heard of [Species Dysphoria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_dysphoria)? Some people think they're actually animals. At some point, we have to call out mental illness for what it is.",
"Picture of a sign",
"I'm here to kick ass and chew bubblegum...and I'm all out of bubblegum. - They Live",
"But the President said so. It must be true.",
"Stop doing that, you’re empowering others to do it too!",
"In my experience sometimes it's those mountains of evidence that play the biggest role in a paradigm shift. Take anthropology for example, the more evidence we found the further away from Europe we were able to trace the earliest human ancestor. Now thanks to new discoveries, we have undergone a paradigm shift and can now say that man originated in Europe (again).\n\nhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/05/22/europe-birthplace-mankind-not-africa-scientists-find/\n\nWhat I mean to say is that evidence can work against itself if contradicted at a higher level. Just because something has a lot of evidence to show that it is one way, doesn't mean that it can't be another.",
"Both genders are required to procreate. There can't be a 3rd gender, because either they function as one of the 2 genders in procreation, or they can't procreate at all, which means they will simply die off.",
"Or as Richard Dawkins called it, \"The argument from personal incredulity.\"",
"Under the assumption that science isn't corruptible and may actually be wrong. WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN PROVEN TO BE TRUE. ",
"I can grasp it really well actually. I watch Rick and Morty too",
"Case in point : Brexit. \n\nHow such an important decision was left up to us, the uneducated, emotional public, I will never know. ",
"The pendulum has swung too far. /r/Atheism was so bad that now anybody who dares criticize religion is assumed by Reddit to be an edgy neckbeard.",
"wait that isn't really how a strawman works.",
"> empirical evidence and sound, repeatable, methodologies and procedures\n\nSo like theology then.",
"Set phasers on reeeeeee",
"That's your reply? There are Christians that believe in evolution.\n\nJust face it, you're a wilfully ignorant bigot that hates what you don't understand.\n\nYou freaks hate transgender people but have nothing to say about hermaphrodites.",
"It depends on what she calls “science”.",
"this sign was made for you",
"> This is also the actual reason behind all the flat earth stuff - it's a underground grassroots effort for people to get more involved in science.\n\nPlease explain...",
"Alright Hitler, whatever you say.",
"To be fair, you do need...",
"\"An anomaly outside of the norm\".\n\nSo a hermaphrodite then.\n\n>\"Just because they exist, doesn't mean that you get to pick your sex after birth\".\n\nhttp://www.intersexequality.com/how-common-is-intersex-in-humans/\n \nAnd no, you can't pick your sex, but you can still pick your gender. \n\n\nWhy are Republicans so concerned with what others do with their bodies? Serious question. Not trying to insult you. Why are /r/the_donald so concerned with other people's gender.\n\n\nEdit:\n\nJust looked over your posts and I believe that you don't think climate change is real, that net neutrality is bad, and that science is bad.\n\nI don't expect for you to give me a comment that answers my question but...I hope you do.",
"Hate to break it to you, but you're more than a little wrong there bud. Gender is, in fact, considered a spectrum.\n\nHere's the American Psychological Psychological's Guidelines for Psychological Practice With\nTransgender and Gender Nonconforming People. It's quite a hefty document with dozens upon dozens of sources, published by one of the largest scientific organizations in the world, and one of the most well respected ones at that.\n\n# [American Psychological Association](https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf):\n\n># Foundational Knowledge and Awareness\n\n>## *Guideline 1. Psychologists understand that gender is a nonbinary construct that allows for a range of gender identities and that a person’s gender identity may not align with sex assigned at birth.*\n\n>***Rationale.*** Gender identity is defined as a person’s deeply felt, inherent sense of being a girl, woman, or female; a boy, a man, or male; a blend of male or female; or an alternative gender (Bethea & McCollum, 2013; Institute of Medicine [IOM], 2011). In many cultures and religious traditions, gender has been perceived as a binary construct, with mutually exclusive categories of male or female, boy or girl, man or woman (Benjamin, 1966; Mollenkott, 2001; Tanis, 2003). These mutually exclusive categories include an assumption that gender identity is always in alignment with sex assigned at birth (Bethea & McCollum, 2013). For TGNC people, gender identity differs from sex assigned at birth to varying degrees, and may be experienced and expressed outside of the gender binary (Harrison, Grant, & Herman, 2012; Kuper, Nussbaum, & Mustanski, 2012).\n\n>Gender as a nonbinary construct has been described and studied for decades (Benjamin, 1966; Herdt, 1994; Kulick, 1998). There is historical evidence of recognition, societal acceptance, and sometimes reverence of diversity in gender identity and gender expression in several different cultures (Coleman et al., 1992; Feinberg, 1996; Miller & Nichols, 2012; Schmidt, 2003). Many cultures in which gender nonconforming persons and groups were visible were diminished by westernization, colonialism, and systemic inequity (Nanda, 1999). In the 20th century, TGNC expression became medicalized (Hirschfeld, 1910/1991), and medical interventions to treat discordance between a person’s sex assigned at birth, secondary sex characteristics, and gender identity became available (Meyerowitz, 2002). \n\n>As early as the 1950s, research found variability in how an individual described their gender, with some participants reporting a gender identity different from the culturally defined, mutually exclusive categories of “man” or “woman” (Benjamin, 1966). In several recent large online studies of the TGNC population in the United States, 30% to 40% of participants identified their gender identity as other than man or woman (Harrison et al., 2012; Kuper et al., 2012). Although some studies have cultivated a broader understanding of gender (Conron, Scout, & Austin, 2008), the majority of research has required a forced choice between man and woman, thus failing to represent or depict those with different gender identities (IOM, 2011). Research over the last two decades has demonstrated the existence of a wide spectrum of gender identity and gender expression (Bockting, 2008; Harrison et al., 2012; Kuper et al., 2012), which includes people who identify as either man or woman, neither man nor woman, a blend of man and woman, or a unique gender identity. A person’s identification as TGNC can be healthy and self-affirming, and is not inherently pathological (Coleman et al., 2012). However, people may experience distress associated with discordance between their gender identity and their body or sex assigned at birth, as well as societal stigma and discrimination (Coleman et al., 2012). \n\n>Between the late 1960s and the early 1990s, healthcare to alleviate gender dysphoria largely reinforced a binary conceptualization of gender (APA TFGIGV, 2009; Bolin, 1994; Hastings, 1974). At that time, it was considered an ideal outcome for TGNC people to conform to an identity that aligned with either sex assigned at birth or, if not possible, with the “opposite” sex, with a heavy emphasis on blending into the cisgender population or “passing” (APA TFGIGV, 2009; Bolin, 1994; Hastings, 1974). Variance from these options could raise concern for health care providers about a TGNC person’s ability to transition successfully. These concerns could act as a barrier to accessing surgery or hormone therapy because medical and mental health care provider endorsement was required before surgery or hormones could be accessed (Berger et al., 1979). Largely because of self-advocacy of TGNC individuals and communities in the 1990s, combined with advances in research and models of trans-affirmative care, there is greater recognition and acknowledgment of a spectrum of gender diversity and corresponding individualized, TGNC-specific health care (Bockting et al., 2006; Coleman et al., 2012).\n\nAnd if you're going to deny entire fields (social sciences), and even medical fields, guess what: That's denying science.",
"The fuck, thats not transphobic. Trans implies transitioning from one to the other, which lends itself to a binary system. Anyone who claims that theres more than two genders is anti scientific",
"Wow what a /u/dickfromaccounting",
"With pleasure since i dont give a fuck about IQ and that source is really dubious and also that graph doesnt mean shit. You can probably have less IQ than 75% of all black men. \n",
">If my comment was to vague and you didn't understand it why was your first reaction to say I don't know what I'm talking about.\n\nBecause you didn't know what you were talking about. Nor do you know what you're talking about now.\n\nYou appear to be thinking that transgenderism is a leftist invention that involves people deciding to switch genders and undergo transition on a whim.\n\nThis is completely detached from reality.\n\n>Either way it's not healthy, I don't care what people do with their bodies but I'm quite tired of the left saying that we are not accepting science when it's not science to say you're a girl all of a sudden.\n\nScience has identified that gender identity is fixed quite early in life.\n\nScience has identified gender dysphoria, which occurs when gender identity does not match the socially assigned gender.\n\nScience has identified that changing the socially assigned gender, and in some cases, physical transition, can resolve those issues.\n\nI don't see where the left is involved in it, so, if you disagree with any of these things, it means you're disagreeing with science.",
"Yeah but scientists are still human and humans are not perfect.\n\nScience is the result of humans.\n\nHumans can still lie, cheat, and say and do things that manipulate results.\n\nDon't believe everything you see and hear just because its 'le epic science!!'",
"I fail to see how that sign explains any of that. Which is the point here. That slogan can apply to anything.\n\nIt also sound a *lot* like you are saying \"anyone who does not agree with me is making a fallacy.\" I'm sure that is not what you mean, but trying to differentiate between the two is going to take more than a sign or a few posts on Reddit. If you really want to go down the rabbit hole, hop on over to philosophy and see just how wobbly the foundations of science get once you move past the surface. \n\nAnd I would be willing to bet almost *anything* that many people holding similar signs would be hardpressed to do any of this arguing anyway. They heard that science was good, it seems to agree with their views, so: yeay science!",
"I also heard that it protect children and the population from life threatening deceases, but that's gotta be fake news right? ",
"Let see straight, gay, bi and asexual? Do you need a itinerary for 4 different terms? Most people can hold about 7 things in their head at once without needing aid and you need an itinerary at 4?",
"Your lack of comprehension doesn’t mean that we can use a little bit of global warming when it’s unbearably cold. ",
"I got banned from IFLS for arguing on one of their posts . I'm two and a half years away from finishing grad school... should all go as planned, I will be a professional astrophysicist... so the moderators of \"I Fucking Love Science\" can go fuck themselves. ",
"Science that aligns with Leftist philosophy is never wrong and cannot be questioned.",
"Bigly so.",
"> arguing against science that has already been proven and based in fact\n\nAre you sure you understand the [scientific method](https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200811/common-misconceptions-about-science-i-scientific-proof)?\n\nEdit: You actually edited your comment to remove the quoted section? Coward!",
"It's a nice picture of a poorly lettered sign but I can't help but wish it was shot in higher resolution, with a higher quality lens and framing so I could better appreciate the poorly lettered sign.",
"This is reddit.\n\nIf it had a quick jab at Trump OP could have tripled their karma. ",
"And I'm telling you, if you truly believe the shit you're saying - That people are being indoctrinated or peer pressured into believing in evolution and infinite genders. And that atheists out of all belief systems are most vulnerable to being indoctrinated - that you live in a weirdass town or you're building weirdass arguments in your head that you somehow think are clever but never occur. ",
"While you're right, that is a shitty line of reasoning when you consider the kinds of people you'd be talking to in this situation. They aren't going to have a better idea but they absolutely will default back to whatever garbage they've been taught since childhood. \n\nThey aren't \"wrong\" but they certainly aren't correct, either. They're just ignorant.",
"Just because Trump and his cabinet prioritize industry over certain environmental issues does not make them science deniers. I've come to expect this kind of black and white thinking from Reddit though.\n\nAlso remember that without industry, we wouldn't even HAVE modern science.",
"So, to show me that some people believe science is utterly infallible, you quote some unknown, unlinked person that you probably didn't make up out of thin air who thinks climate change is real.\n\nYou do realise those are different things, right? I mean, believing one well proven theory of science is not the same as thinking all of science is infallible. You might as well say I believe science is infallible because I believe electronics work.\n\nNo. That's rubbish. I just believe that electronics work and the person you quoted just believes in climate change.",
"You don't need to be a trained scientist to know that the scientific method works. When it's applied to planes, they fly. When it's applied to medicine, people are cured. When it's applied to rockets, they deliver satellites into orbit. Science works. The same can't be said for religion. ",
"By that logic you could write anything on a sign. I think the reason it doesn’t work with religion is because without a belief system around it a religion does die. On the other side science does not rely of belief, and still is in effect before and during our awareness of that theory ",
"Only sith and idiots deal in absolutes, your pick :)",
"I wish I thought of this phrase when I war arguing with a Chem-Trail believer.",
"'Gender' and 'sex' have very different definitions in the academic sense, though many people conflate the two words and that ends up being the cause of these sort of discussions, just like the word 'theory' has a very different definition when used in relation to scientific concepts, but many people conflate that formal definition with the day-to-day definition and that causes the \"it's only a theory!\" rebuttals to things like evolution.",
"So who's that sign for exactly?",
"I will rip on and insult all genetic fuck ups equally. Is that better?",
"Mr.Stark’s knees?",
"Just because Trump and his cabinet prioritize industry over certain environmental issues does not make them science deniers. I've come to expect this kind of black and white thinking from Reddit though.\n\nAlso remember that without industry, we wouldn't even HAVE modern science.",
"[Season 1, Episode 10 at approximately 29 min. and 21 sec.](http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5xnijd)",
"Has nothing to do with the point she is making. ",
"Almost word for word what I say to someone berating me about 43 genders.",
"Science is only right until it's not.\n\n\nps... Pluto is still a planet in my book.",
"If it works for the president then it can work for you too!",
"This sign does none of that, so I guess it's not such a great sign anyway :)\n\nIt's just a slogan, not a particularly good slogan, and in fact: it's a downright dangerous slogan as it destroys the very basis on which people can talk to each other. It's certainly not the only slogan to be this bad, but I expect better from people who purport to be scientific.",
"Go back and look at the picture that started this thread...",
"Not great but i pulled through. Did it hurt when hillary lost to an orange reality tv baboon?",
"Stop babbling nonsense.",
"This is coming from the same people who think that there are 83 genders. 😂😂😂",
"I agree. It's so easy for someone to make an appeal to the great \"science\" to get a bunch of people on board. It's the modern equivalent of blind religion. \"God says we should do x\" , \"science says we should do x\", there is fundamentally no difference. Ultimately it's an unavoidable part of sociology, the most one can do is maintain a healthy degree of skepticism.",
"I play a science trap card in defense position.",
"I am actually a research scientist. I was raised a Catholic but fortunately grew out of it. Atheism is not a religion it is a lack of one. I am tired of religious nutjobs trying to convert the world into believing their invisible friend is stronger than your invisible friend. YOU are the source of the worlds problems. Religion is the number one cause of death through the years.",
"Oh, but one upvote to give",
"As far as evolution and climate change, you are arguing against a very small minority. Many conservators wouldn’t disagree that evolution exists, they just might believe it was brought on by God. And with climate change, most argue that humans aren’t the main reason for climate change (Note that this doesn’t mean they are denying a small responsibility with Humans), instead they argue that the climate has been fluctuating since a climate has existed on Earth, and that that is main reason for why the climate is changing in the modern day. ",
"Science doesn't claim to be true or know everything. Science is a method to understand the world based on real life observations and evidence. If new evidence or observations lead us to different and new conclusions, then old ones have to be refined or be completely dismissed if in fact new evidence disproves old theories. Science is always just the current best understanding of the world and universe, which of course can change when new discoveries are made. ",
"Fucking spoiler alert, dude.",
"The poster is implying that people are arguing against science because they don’t understand it. If you can find someone who says,”I don’t get science, therefore that is why I’m opposed to it,” then fair enough. The poster is making an argument that doesn’t exist as far as I know. ",
"Well, those are 2 entirely different things :P",
"While I'm at it, I'll leave you with some reading.\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/24791031/\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3710702/\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4040420/?report=reader\n\nAll of these studies suggest that there is a significant heritability factor to IQ. Typically what has been found is that correlation between the biological parents IQ and the IQ of a child at infancy is low, but it increases to upwards of .81 in adulthood. (Depends on the study.) I'd also look at the Minnesota Transracial Adoption study as well, and of course: read The Bell Curve. \n\nIf you're wondering what the heritability of IQ has to do with racial differences in IQ, maybe you should spend your time doing something that would better benefit you, like playing with alphabet blocks. Lastly, I'm sure someone will shout \"IQ is bunk!\" or \"Cultural bias!\" The same goes to any of you people. ",
"I don't know what r/The_Donald thinks, I'm banned from there.\n\nIt's the fact that the left is trying to push acceptance of mental illness enabling on to the world.\n\nNo, a man cannot be a woman. No, it's not normal. And no, I don't want a woman with a penis in the changing room with my underage daughter at the public pool. ",
"Pretty much. I can't think of one field where if I met an expert, I couldn't come up with interesting and intelligent questions I'd love answered. Pick some fields you think are boring and let's see.\n\nI mean I can find something interesting to talk about in almost any profession, but if they work in the sciences, I'd feel like a kid in a candy store.",
"Right, now how many genders are there?",
">gender diverse cultures\n\nAh yes as we know the native americans were very scientific. Like the papau new guinea tribe that orally rapes the young boys to let them absorb their manhood. Very scientific indeed.",
"What is this referring to? ",
"Who is this supposed to be aimed at?",
"Can confirm, definatly uninterested",
"No it's more like I feel like I have wasted more than enough time trying to understand why I exist instead of actually \"existing\".",
"Stating what makes science useful, what we do with it and where its weaknesses are should be done in school. There shouldn’t be a need to repeat that frequently.\n\nIn fact, there shouldn’t be a need to tell this somewhat functioning adults at all, unless they prefer living in the stone age.",
"Seems to me that you're the genetic fuck up. Do you rip on yourself?\n\nWhen you shake your head is there a rattle sound?",
"Doesn't help when the people making these statements against science aren't usually the most literate to begin with... 🤔",
"Man, strawmanning and Reductio ad Hitlerium, and in one thread! Reddit sure is pulling out the big guns tonight! ",
"It's actually quite easy to bring back to the basic laws of thermodynamics applied on a very large scale. But to make it quick, I'm gonna assume you are aware sunbeams are turned into heat when they hit the ground, not when entering the atmosphere. This heat rises upwards. This heat receives a resistance to moving upwards because of the air in the way, this air has a specific heat coeffecient which traps heat to the earths surface. If we increase this heat resistance of the air by adding large amounts of greenhouse gasses (not going to argue about the cause of this here) more heat gets trapped, making it warmer on this earth. This creates a hotter enviroment in some areas, but weather is obviously a bit more complicated. Next to that, warmer air is able to contain more water, paving the way for larger rainfalls and potentionally storms as well.",
"Wow... Where is the anger coming from, man? It's been a long while since I've seen a text book example of [one of these](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) in the wild.",
"[Now](https://youtu.be/5drjr9PmTMA_t=91)",
"They don't believe in infinite genders, that's just a very effective strawman people want to believe so they can dismiss arguments for human rights for minorities.",
"I love this sign! But sometimes I would love to say that the reverse should be said in respect to theology.\n\nEdit: typo",
"This is incredibly ignorant. People do not \"decide to go trans\". It's like being gay. You can act straight or gay but you have always been your sexuality (or in this case gender).\n\nAnd the suicide rate of trans people who transition in some form, surgery, hormones, or just presenting as their desired gender, has been scientifically proven to dramatically lower the suicide rate of trans individuals.",
"On the subject of IQ, I'm guessing that was meant to be a reply to me?\n\n>If you're wondering what the heritability of IQ has to do with racial differences in IQ, maybe you should spend your time doing something that would better benefit you, like playing with alphabet blocks.\n\nAh, so you link something that doesn't prove what you say and then, to connect it to what you say, you call me an idiot and expect me to know what the rest of your argument is.\n\nI'm guessing you couldn't find anything that *actually* supported your argument and had to settle for half an argument and a put down...?",
"\"Science is a racist, patriarchal construct\"",
"That depends on his use of the word “life”.\n\nIf he meant life as in biological life, then yes, it would imply that sperm cells are dead.\n\nHowever, he most likely meant life as in a human life. In this case, a life refers to a distinct entity with intrinsic value and rights. ",
"No one claims that.\n\nBut it is better than everything else we have, and that is a somewhat useful starting point.",
"Playing the devil’s advocate here:\n\nCouldn’t the same argument be used for any claim, whether or not it is backed by scientific evidence?",
"There was never anything to argue against. You were simply too dumb to understand my point.\n\n> Anyone who uses the words “proof,” “prove” and “proven” in their discussion of science is not a real scientist.",
"I think half the people adamantly advocating science, in an almost pious manner, would probably have been deeply religious if they were born a few hundred years ago. \"I'm right and if you disagree you're an idiot\"",
"For any religious person?",
"https://imgur.com/a/zgTZx\n\nClearly verbally abusing people and questioning their intelligence is a tactic you employ when their opinion is not the same as yours.",
"Let me illustrate with a simple example.\n\nAssume we have 100 people, 10 of which are infected by a fatal disease. We have a medicine, that reduces fatality by 50%. We give it only to sick people.\n\nNow, if we look at statistics, you'll find that 50% of the people who took the medicine died, while none of the rest died. This doesn't mean that medicine is deadly, it means that the medicine is only given to a vulnerable group of people.\n\nThe very same thing happens with transgenders. Transgender population is a very vulnerable group of people. Some among them transition, which has been shown to reduce gender dysphoria. However, the effect is not 100%, thus they remain vulnerable compared to the original population.\n\nNot having them transition doesn't result in a healthy person, it just makes things worse.",
"This speaks volumes. But in a more action oriented thought, we need an ELI5 science wiki for foundational concepts, and an ELI5 news source to keep the public apprised of all the current achievements and studies. ",
"And what have you decided to do with your brief existence?",
"> definitely",
"I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE WHAT I WAS PROGRAMMED TO BELIEVE!",
"Is it as accessible as say, wheel of fortune or days of our lives?",
"Is this post about how trans people cannot biologically switch sexes? Or are we just not ready to accept the science on that yet ",
"Hitting back with the old i know you are but what am i. Well played, you sound a little shook, do you have a safe space nearby?",
"That's true that in the 3rd century BC the established science was that the earth revolved around the sun, but for whatever reason that changed. I'm arguing that established science should never be treated like absolute fact because we never know when the metaphorical rug underneath our feet is going to get a hearty Copernican pull.",
"Why can’t we let people believe in what they want the life is short, so let them live the life they want. I’m talking to both religious and atheists. I personally believe there is no right or wrong but if you are going to do something be prepared to live with the consequences. ",
"I'll read them. Thanks",
"That and it's just pandering bullshit. \"HEY YOU GUYS LIKE SCIENCE AND HATE STUPID PEOPLE SO HERE'S A PICTURE FOR YOU!\" It's not karmawhoring, it's karmamarketing.",
"What is this picture from?",
"I deny your reality :P",
"Strawman is refuting an argument that the opposing side isn't actually making. This sign claims the opposing side is arguing that they oppose science because they do not grasp it, which is untrue - therefore it's a strawman. Nobody ever made the argument \"I don't understand science so it is invalid\", as this sign suggests. It's a catchy sign but doesn't make sense when you really think about it.\n\nedit: for context, the comment above me was arguing that this wasn't a strawman at all and people never used the term 'strawman' correctly.",
"But many people forget it. Especially the type of people that hold signs like that.",
"This argument is not enough to make me understand science ",
"It's the nature of signs that they can not be verbose.\n\nYeah, people can abuse it, but the any logical interpretation would understand it correctly.",
"I don't know how effective this woman thinks her sign is. You don't sway your opposition to follow your beliefs by belittling them or calling them stupid. All a sign like this does is just circle-jerk all the people who already think like you do. ",
"I think this is in regards to climate change deniers.",
"I detect yet another person who doesn't know the definition of a scientific theory. OP's not saying a theory is immutable, but they're also saying it's more than just a collection of random guesses that are easy to dismiss. \n\nEvolution and gravity are the two examples of *theories* that always come to mind. ",
"Which, of course, brings us back to why this sign exists in the first place. \n\nThat is leaving aside the fact that people with the opposite view on whatever political issue this is about may very well feel that *they* are the ones who truly understand science.\n\nIt's a pointless argument that threatens to weaken science and does very little to move the debate forward on whatever topic this is. Sorry, but I do not like \"just so\" arguments, especially from people who exclaim that they are being scientific.",
"I saw Bill Nye the Science Guy for a second while flipping through channels. I think that's enough science for at least five years. ",
"\"It's just a theory\" is an argument often used by scientifically illiterate people. Theory, in scientific language, is the highest level a predictive model to explain a phenomenon can achieve. There is more evidence backing up the evolution theory than any person not \"believing\" in it would ever care to read, while there is virtually no counter evidence. No person with a solid grasp on the scientific method considers any theory as \"immutable truth\". Referring to a scientific theory's status of being a theory simply is not a valid argument against it. It is not, there is nothing to discuss about this.",
"> ...but having a 3. Party journal profit off just hosting the research done by a professor at an university, I do not agree with.\n\nYou don't quite understand the problem then.\n\nThe journal publishers do a lot more than this. Editors, for example, are often paid by them, and editing a scientific journal requires enormous expertise. Plus they do a lot of work as far as typesetting, etc. Basically - there are a FUCKTON of man hours involved in research publication that have nothing at all to do with conducting research, and someone has to pay for those man hours.\n\nAlso, the hosting of this much data is a lot more costly than you'd think. The operating budgets of even the preprint repositories are in the hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars. Someone has to pay for it.\n\nSome journals/publishers allow the option of paying a flat fee to make your publication free to access... but it's in the thousands of dollars. Most research grants do not provide this kind of extra money, and if they did, it'd be obviously better spent on equipment, additional software licenses, etc. (Well, obviously to the people actually doing the research, seeing how everyone that matters will get access to the pay-to-access article anyway, due to university/department subscriptions).",
"a strawman is refuting an argument that was not presented by the \"opponent\".\n\nThere is no argument even proposed by the \"opponent\" of the sign. Yeah it is kinda dumb to say \"yeahh you're just dumb\" but it's still not really a strawman.",
"You have quite a lot of karma for a troll. You should try harder. You could try closer to the top comment for publicity. Or you could get help. Either one works",
"Just ONE sentence loaded with fallacies:\n\n1. what the hell has atheism to do with science. The OP is about science.\n\n2. /r/atheism is a subreddit. To say \"assumed by Reddit to be an edgy neckbeard\" is inflating one particular subreddit to be \"Reddit\". There are also many subreddits dedicated to religion even where creationists tell their ridiculous Bronze Age stories about the earth and cosmos being only 6,000 years old and that the bible is a perfect book on physics, biology and geology. Talking about a pendulum.\n\n3. So no pendulum has swung too far except from creationists claiming Bronze Age mythologies to be the reality around us.\n\nANYWAY, back to the on-topic issue, *it is* embarrassing how little Americans know about science, especially and particularly the religious ones.\n\n",
"Yeah, he's just like that dick from accounting. ",
"The moment you bring faith to replace the scientific method in anything that the scientific method specifically has stated it can prove, yes.",
"Enjoy myself to the best of my abilities whether through sex, food, cars, etc.",
"You’re right, it makes sense to follow one, the other is just a waste of time",
"> You don't sway your opposition to follow your beliefs by belittling them or calling them stupid. \n\nNo, but it's cathartic.\n",
"DAE reject religion because it made you get up early on Sunday and you were mad because you didn't get your tendies until noon and you finally learned that the old testament is allegory and science is proven and god isn't so that makes science better even though that's antithetical to the purpose of science?",
"Couldn’t you say the same thing except replace science with “God”?",
"That's literally the entire point of science. Experiments set out to prove a hypothesis false. When they fail to do so, the result isn't \"what we thought before was true\", it's \"so far, we've been unable to prove it false\". When the same experiment is repeated hundreds or thousands of times and keeps not proving the hypothesis false, the result becomes, \"we keep trying and trying and can't find something to prove this is not true, so we're going to say that we're reasonably sure it is\". ",
"I'm glad you could read those three research papers, the Bell Curve, and the Wikipedia page for the Minnesota Transracial Adoption study in two minutes so you could rush back and tell me how it was all bunk.",
"Yes, atheism does correlate with believing in infinite genders when you consider the trends. A majority of atheists are liberals due to liberal ideas paralleling with basic atheistic ideas. Due to the trend that a majority of atheists are liberals, the trend that many liberals believe in infinite genders then applies to a sizable portion of atheists. ",
"Because experts aren't infallible and frequently skew things however it suits them to best serve their own interests. I'm sure you can come up with a million examples in history. Case in point, Andrew Wakefield, who, unless I'm mistaken, was considered an expert in his field until his data forgery came to light.",
"You honestly read my comment and thought it was akin to \"I know you are but what am I?\"\n\nDude you have issues. I'm not the one with a problem here so I hardly see how I need a safe space. You on the other hand seem to have issues with people being what they are. I'd say you're obsessed with what other people do with their bodies and their lives. \n\nSo I have to throw your question back to you. Do **you** need your safe space?",
"> So most science is done based on the companies need.\n\nThis is really not true though. Vast majority of scientific funding does not come out of the private industry, but rather funds like NSF, NIH, etc., which, while they do have a finger on the pulse of industry, are really not solely motivated by it at all.",
"I was about to type something similar but I'm hungover, and you got there first. Nice work my friend.",
">So do people who believe the definitions of \"gender\" and \"sex\" are different, also believe that these two terms have always had different definitions?\n\nThere might be some that do, but plenty do not.",
"Couldn't religious folk turn around and say \"just because you don't grasp my religion isn't a reason to deny it\"?",
"\"lately\"? I thought they were always here, you learn something new everyday",
"Which science though? The dogmatic science that has strangled imagination and creativity out of our children? ",
"> gist",
"no.",
"For you, maybe, and that is kind of a selfish point of view. If it helps someone get out of depression, or quit drugs, or get over a family member death, etc., is it a waste of time?\n\nJust something to think about :).\n",
"Sperm cells are by definition either dead or part of a larger organism. Human life starts when a distinct human being is created, the moment when sperm and egg combine their haploid sets to one diploid sets.",
"And this is abuse. The person holding this sign is trying to say that they are the only true scientific side in the debate, and do so in a rather hamfisted way using an argument that could be used by the other side verbatim. \n\nIncidentally, I'm pretty sure that you meant \"common sense\" rather than \"logical\". I would disagree anyway, but at least it would be consistent with what you are trying to argue here.",
"I **AM** The Unknown Unknown.",
"I highly doubt you’ve studied the finer details and theology of Scientology. That would be such a waste of time.",
"You should read this science website, then www.sciworthy.com. no listicles or ads or sponsored content. Just real journal articles summarized in layspeak. They tend to emphasize methods, too.",
"I disagree.\n\nFor example, you could write something about how your belief doesn't keep the climate from changing. That doesn't work if you flip it.\n\n\"Your beleive doesn't keep the climate from changing\" \n\n**vs**\n\n\"Your science doesn't keep the climate from changing\". \n\nIt doesn't work cause science actually does that. That's how science works. You get what I'm saying?\n\n\nAlso, I'd reply sooner but people are downvote happy here. I made the error of posting in a Trump thread for my first post on this sub. ",
"Hello comrade, I am glorious capitalist american and is nothing suspicious. I love cartoons of Mikhail Mouse and always drinking only McDonald brand vodka. Your opinion is wrong, glorious leader Vladimir Putin have never hire russian teenager for troll Reddit and paying only 30 рубли́ every hour. I am love eating stick of meat in bread with yellow sauce, is normal food of american proletarian.",
">nesacarily\n\nA valiant effort ",
">I don't know what the[...]\n\n\nOk, sorry for assuming then.\n\n>It's the fact[...]\n\nSource on the mental illness part?\n\nAnd what's wrong with letting people who are different from us feel comfortable in our society? If they're not harming anyone, then I don't see an issue. You're talking about taking people's right to their own body.\n\n>No, a man cannot[...]\n\nSource?\n\nAlso, you do know that just because someone is transgender, it does not mean that they'll molest your kid.\n\nInfact, most cases of molestation happen outside of bathrooms and it's usually with people that the child knows, like relatives, or people who are close. Infact, would you be worried about having a woman who enters the men's bathroom be raped by other men? Or perhaps a woman molesting a child in a bathroom?\n\nAnd this fear that you have could be easily solved by having unisex bathrooms.\n\n\nAgain, why do Republicans care so much about what others do with their bodies?\n\nAre you okay with homosexuals or are you against them? Again, just asking, not trying to insult you.\n\n\n",
"Isn't this really about how people absorb information? Isn't the point of scientific papers and journals are that they are open to peer review? Science is also ever changing, evolving and becoming more accurate. If people read a paper and aren't open to changing there opinions, then they are taking the information on faith. We should be teaching people how to be objective with all information not just in the field of science but news, politics and spirituality (religion). We could avoid a lot of pointless conflict if we were all a little more objective. ",
"Wow............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... This rly make me think........",
"Yep.",
"I think OP may be overstating it but I will be clear I do not know the extent of how true this is. However, there is a real number of people who know better but somewhat ironically behave in the forums as a flat earther. Some may do this to have some fun, assume a mindset different from their own, engage people who are skeptical of science's understanding of the world, etc. ",
"Does this apply to Transgenders? From Ben Shapiro’s point of view. Don’t mean to offend anyone, I really have no idea.",
"this always struck me as dishonest. Science is a tool, it's uses and advantages, are trivial to understand. Our default worldview is a scientific worldview --- it takes no creativity, intelligence, or openness to adopt this worldview, in fact, we don't have a choice in our society.\n\nunderstanding the complexities of the vast wealth of knowledge we've uncovered by using science --- of course that's an impossible undertaking. I'm not at all trying to downplay the accomplishment of scientific genius.\n\nbut the anti-science types are not too dumb to understand science, they are ideologically unwilling to (btw I think the slack jawed creationist republican voter is largely a straw man, there aren't a significant amount of people who reject science outright)",
"> Because any journal worth publishing in charges the authors a ton of money to publish (often thousands, paid by a grant).\n\nThis is nonsense. If you want the article to be free to access, sure, but if you don't, no, it doesn't cost thousands.\n\nSource: scd with publications.",
"You just described the exact opposite from what science is and how science works. I don't even think you understand how science works. Science can only work if it can be changed. \n\nScience is our current best understanding in how the world works based on observation and evidence. For something to become a scientific theory, there have to be observations, testable AND repeatable results. When this gets peer reviewed by other scientists which come to the same conclusion, a hypothesis can become a scientific theory. \n\nWhen new evidence and observations are made, we have to adjust science and our understanding of how the world works. It's not that the world suddenly works differently. It's just that we have a better understanding because of new evidence.\n\nEvery good scientist doesn't just try to prove his hypothesis on a new discovery, a good scientists tries to disprove his own claim because that's how science works.\n\nEvery scientists and every person who understands science knows that science is ever changing as it's always just our CURRENT best understanding of the world, based on observational data and evidence and repeatable test results.",
"How about midget planet?",
"Your purpose is to pass the butter",
"You detect wrong. There are many people who have belief in scientific materialism and stretch that belief to make moral and ethical arguments.\n\nEvolution and gravity are predictive models of empirical phenomena, nothing more.",
" Ni k JK. ",
"Pretty much any research university's will.",
"That's not what my post is about, or even the preceding chain of comments for that matter. I'm sure if you scroll further down you'll find the argument you actually want to have with someone already taking place somewhere.",
"Stfu nerd",
"That is basically the problem. People somehow feel that science is 'inaccessible' but not realize that it is actually extremely relevant to day-to-day life (life is literally science). A lot of things we do that we take for granted are based on our understanding of science. Like if you've ever tried to solve a problem you probably have employed the scientific method without realizing it. It's pretty much impossible to \"don't really care about science\" since you're probably already always caring about it. Science isn't just astrophysics and the misconception that it is is preventing people from being interested in and appreciating things that they would otherwise be interested in.",
"No im just bored on night shift shitposting on virtue signalling fuckwits. But seriously i identify as an attack helicopter and you need to respect that. Bigot.",
"Wanna know something interesting about science. Nothing is definite. And shit gets disproven constantly. ",
"You could replace science with *anything* and it would still be a mild insult and a non-argument.",
"They're rediscovering scientific theory in a way. They're just in the early stages. In 50 years they'll reach logical positivism and realise that logical deductions have to be added to their observations and they'll figure out that the earth isn't flat, that not all swans are white just because the ones you see are and so on.\n\nDifference is that most of us accept that someone else has taken these various steps before us in scientific theory, but some people want to take the steps themselves. Maybe - we can't exclude this option - they'll even learn something past people didn't and make all of us revisit our understandings. It just seems retarded, since they're still in the early stages.\n\nIt's like saying 'fuck your wheel. I'm gonna invent something myself' and eventually they'll end up with a wheel themselves. But along the way they might learn something to improve all of our wheels. It's unlikely, but it's not impossible.\n\nI'm most certainly reading too much into this, but it has some truth to it and it might be what OP meant.",
"[Never happened](https://cs.uwaterloo.ca/~shallit/euler.html).",
"Or just a climate change denier. Many of them believe science is on their side.",
"Science: Defining things for those that need an explanation.",
"“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov\n\n ",
"Yup, gender is a perfect example of people failing to grasp the science behind it and blanketly denying it. \n\nFor anyone interested, here's the American Psychological Association's Guidelines for Psychological Practice With\nTransgender and Gender Nonconforming People. It's quite a hefty document with dozens upon dozens of sources, published by one of the largest scientific organizations in the world, and one of the most well respected ones at that.\n\n# [American Psychological Association](https://www.apa.org/practice/guidelines/transgender.pdf):\n\n># Foundational Knowledge and Awareness\n\n>## *Guideline 1. Psychologists understand that gender is a nonbinary construct that allows for a range of gender identities and that a person’s gender identity may not align with sex assigned at birth.*\n\n>***Rationale.*** Gender identity is defined as a person’s deeply felt, inherent sense of being a girl, woman, or female; a boy, a man, or male; a blend of male or female; or an alternative gender (Bethea & McCollum, 2013; Institute of Medicine [IOM], 2011). In many cultures and religious traditions, gender has been perceived as a binary construct, with mutually exclusive categories of male or female, boy or girl, man or woman (Benjamin, 1966; Mollenkott, 2001; Tanis, 2003). These mutually exclusive categories include an assumption that gender identity is always in alignment with sex assigned at birth (Bethea & McCollum, 2013). For TGNC people, gender identity differs from sex assigned at birth to varying degrees, and may be experienced and expressed outside of the gender binary (Harrison, Grant, & Herman, 2012; Kuper, Nussbaum, & Mustanski, 2012).\n\n>Gender as a nonbinary construct has been described and studied for decades (Benjamin, 1966; Herdt, 1994; Kulick, 1998). There is historical evidence of recognition, societal acceptance, and sometimes reverence of diversity in gender identity and gender expression in several different cultures (Coleman et al., 1992; Feinberg, 1996; Miller & Nichols, 2012; Schmidt, 2003). Many cultures in which gender nonconforming persons and groups were visible were diminished by westernization, colonialism, and systemic inequity (Nanda, 1999). In the 20th century, TGNC expression became medicalized (Hirschfeld, 1910/1991), and medical interventions to treat discordance between a person’s sex assigned at birth, secondary sex characteristics, and gender identity became available (Meyerowitz, 2002). \n\n>As early as the 1950s, research found variability in how an individual described their gender, with some participants reporting a gender identity different from the culturally defined, mutually exclusive categories of “man” or “woman” (Benjamin, 1966). In several recent large online studies of the TGNC population in the United States, 30% to 40% of participants identified their gender identity as other than man or woman (Harrison et al., 2012; Kuper et al., 2012). Although some studies have cultivated a broader understanding of gender (Conron, Scout, & Austin, 2008), the majority of research has required a forced choice between man and woman, thus failing to represent or depict those with different gender identities (IOM, 2011). Research over the last two decades has demonstrated the existence of a wide spectrum of gender identity and gender expression (Bockting, 2008; Harrison et al., 2012; Kuper et al., 2012), which includes people who identify as either man or woman, neither man nor woman, a blend of man and woman, or a unique gender identity. A person’s identification as TGNC can be healthy and self-affirming, and is not inherently pathological (Coleman et al., 2012). However, people may experience distress associated with discordance between their gender identity and their body or sex assigned at birth, as well as societal stigma and discrimination (Coleman et al., 2012). \n\n>Between the late 1960s and the early 1990s, healthcare to alleviate gender dysphoria largely reinforced a binary conceptualization of gender (APA TFGIGV, 2009; Bolin, 1994; Hastings, 1974). At that time, it was considered an ideal outcome for TGNC people to conform to an identity that aligned with either sex assigned at birth or, if not possible, with the “opposite” sex, with a heavy emphasis on blending into the cisgender population or “passing” (APA TFGIGV, 2009; Bolin, 1994; Hastings, 1974). Variance from these options could raise concern for health care providers about a TGNC person’s ability to transition successfully. These concerns could act as a barrier to accessing surgery or hormone therapy because medical and mental health care provider endorsement was required before surgery or hormones could be accessed (Berger et al., 1979). Largely because of self-advocacy of TGNC individuals and communities in the 1990s, combined with advances in research and models of trans-affirmative care, there is greater recognition and acknowledgment of a spectrum of gender diversity and corresponding individualized, TGNC-specific health care (Bockting et al., 2006; Coleman et al., 2012).\n",
"Transitioning from one gender to another, not the other. \n\nI don't see how I could be being anti-scientific when most psychiatric professionals and healthcare specialists, especially health-care specialists with a focus on trans people agree that gender exists on a spectrum.\n\nSo yes, claiming gender is totally binary is transphobic. Also, have you ever heard of intersex people?",
"I don't even know what R&M is, but I already completely understand it.",
"Also, The Inappropriate Use Of Title Case.",
"Is your brain skin deep or something? Let me explain in a language you'll understand:\n\nUgh, things in white coat job never final, ugh, theories they are, change maybe future will. Ugh!",
"Yeah but scientists are still human and humans are not perfect.\n\nScience is the result of humans.\n\nHumans can still lie, cheat, and say and do things that manipulate results.\n\nDon't believe everything you see and hear just because its 'le epic science!!'",
"Given the nature of other top posts in r/pics, I think it's likely that leftists are upvoting this with the belief that this applies to Trump, and it was a reasonable inference by u/ledzep4life",
"Hard to trust social sciences when many are struggling to reproduce their findings.",
">The scientific basis for race and it's effect on general intelligence is pretty weak.\n\nNope, intelligence is 70%-80% heritable.\n\n>Things like the Flynn effect prove that non-genetic effects exist that are vastly greater than the observed differences\n\nNo. \n\n>while genetic studies indicate that human genetic variation is such that there are no clearly delineated races.\n\n[Oh really](http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/files/2010/07/indo1.png). \n",
"And that’s a flaw with the scientific method",
"When talking about scientific matters it is a waste of time, what everyone does in their personal time nothing of my concern",
"/r/atheism ",
"And on the other side conservatives claim that liberals are the emotional ones while they boycott all these different brands and stores because they said bad things about Trump or support LGBT rights, not to mention base so many of their policies and arguments on their own religion, which I would consider something that would have emotional appeal attached to it.",
"Depends how and what youre arguing against, if youre arguing against current cutting edge theories in physics thats pretty valid since a lot of it is all up for debate, if youre arguing against the earth being round youre just an idiot in denial of reality. ",
"I think so!",
"I know, but there are also many people who stretch the bounds of their actual scientific knowledge and front really hard that they know more than is actually known.",
"You were lost when you were so casual about killing those children. Damn. ",
">Don't believe everything you see and hear just because its 'le epic science!!'\n\npretty sure nobody is advocating for that.\n\nand even tho humans are fallible, i still think it's fair to point out that there is a *huge* difference between some postgrad not managing to 100% control for his own biases and \"ok, we can't know exactly how the physics played out in the first few miliseconds after the big bang, so based on that, here is my calculation on how many angels fit on the tip of a needle. also angels are a thing. just don't question it\".\n\n",
"Then you don't understand the problem. If you don't hold a gun to a dumbass's head to read popular science, they won't read popular science. This has nothing to do with the latter's availability.\n\nNow, is US public schools' scientific education by far the most lacking of all major areas (i.e., math, science, social studies, English and other languages, music etc.)? Absolutely. That's more of the problem. If people were forced to learn science a little better or never graduate, they would. But in the US, you really can't force students to learn.",
"Flat earthers would probably hold this sign too, though. They think their belief is scientific.",
"What goes through the mindset of someone as they make protest signs? I've never felt compelled to attend a protest much less prepare for one. ",
"What's the \"pragmatic new wave feminism\"? And how many people is \"a lot\" and why does it matter?",
"I guess I've just noticed a recent influx. Maybe I'm just wasting more time on reddit and should try r/outside.",
"I didn't say they were all bunk. I said that they only get you half way to your position.\n\nBut you know that. You just want an easy attack vector even if it means making up things that you wanted me to have said. I'll leave you to it, I think - and yes, I'm sure that means I'm fleeing from your devastating argument and all that stuff you'll tell yourself in a reply I won't read - but, really, I just don't see the point once you're running both sides of the conversation in your head anyway. I mean, what's the point of me saying anything in that case?",
"It is usually used for topics with overwhelming scientific evidence. No one defends a recent hint of a new decay mode of some obscure particle with such a sign.",
"Yep, we haven't heard the old attack helicopter one before. Thanks though as that proves you truly are wilfully ignorant.\n\nCalling me a bigot? Let me guess. Because I'm against your bigotry? It doesn't work that way kid.",
"There are over 50 genders but I believe in science!",
"To an extent. But without a university code, a **ton** of scientific research is gated behind paywalls. The simple truth is a lot of research I want to learn about is simply not accessible to me because of the cost. It's unfortunate. \n\nI understand privately funded research papers being paywall gated, but public research should be completely free. We already paid for it with our tax dollar. ",
"It drives me up the wall when people highlight the limits of what we know to infer that their special belief based on nothing isn't irrational, or that all possible as of yet untestable explanations for things on the frontier are equally likely to be true. \nIt is hiding in an ever shrinking arena of human ignorance.",
"You're conflating atheism and the belief in evolution, which is usually fine but in this case I'm not necessarily speaking about atheists. Here's what I mean: there is a correlation between atheism and the appeal to science to substantiate truth claims. Atheists appeal to science when arguing against creationists, which is fine. But when an atheist happens to appeal to the \"anti-science\" claim, I appeal to the fake gender argument, and I'm only pointing out how often this argument has been effective against atheists, which only works if the atheist in question has been indoctrinated to accept fake genders as scientific truth. Please note that I'm well aware of the fact that many atheists do not believe in fake genders, but because the political left is mostly comprised of atheists, you can't deny the fact that many atheists are anti-science while simultaneously appealing to science as their highest truth.",
"Ever been to 9gag? Because it’s a pathetic bunch,some mental fuckhole even stated that “you can’t criticize science,it’s the ultimate truth”",
"seinfeld theme + laughter track plays on the memedeck layer on AE",
"The mental heavyweight uses his most powerful attack.",
"Yes it does lol",
"> This is also the actual reason behind all the flat earth stuff - it's a underground grassroots effort for people to get more involved in science. \n\nIt's not working then. Except for some trolls who are in fact most probably natural scientists, people in the flat earth community do not even grasp basic mathematics. They're not getting involved with science, they're getting involved with people using words they don't understand to convince them, that science is wrong, evil, and all part of the great conspiracy. I don't see how you could get the conclusion, that flat earthers are trying to get more people involved in science. Talking to flat earthers, reading their online conversations in closed Facebook groups, watching their videos on Youtube and reading their comments, you would soon notice that the exact opposite is true.",
"I think the implications were more anti science religious nuts. The anti vaccine and flat earth crowd.\n\nThat's also what I got from other upvoted comments here. ",
"You people are so fucking full of yourselves it’s hilarious. This is an extremely weak argument. First of all it can be used for almost anything else. Secondly, all it does is attack someone else’s ways of way of thinking. It isn’t backing anything, science can be used to back other people’s views; not just your own. There are several schools of thought on many subjects. You can’t just shit on someone else’s entire view with one cocky statement. It’s fitting that your “zinger” is a blatant emotional attack, rather than an actual argument. It just shows how conceded and ignorant you are, not the person receiving your stupid insult ",
"good do see reddit is gradually coming around to see the ridiculousness in the zillions of genders thing\n\nI guess since it's no longer the progressive du jour people are engaging it more rationally",
"An article by one of the most well respected and largest scientific organizations on earth, with dozens of studies cited, is \"hard to trust\" only when you want a reason not to.",
"It's a flaw with faith, too. The scientific method tries to minimise it as much as possible and it's the best we have.",
"Can you tell where in OP's post or comment I talks about trump again? ",
"I accept your argument but raise the same one about faith. ",
"You're corny as fuck.",
"Literally the other side of her sign specifically mentions him lol",
"Please go into detail about this “mountain of evidence” you claim exists. Also explain how the Bible if a flawed self-contradicting book (without using different versions of the Bible). **Bonus points if you don’t use google to find this evidence you claim to know** ...but I don’t expect that much from you ",
"The reason I do not like this sign is because it almost talks down to people who are grappling with concepts foreign to them. It's ok to not understand science, what is it okay is to have a closed off mind and narrow worldview. ",
"Too hard to tell via twitter google what pragmatism is. Dont pay attention to the new therm search for the original pragmatism meaning ",
"well, when I was an active religious person, my mindset was \"God has all the answers, but i'm still gonna try to find out as much as I can\" which eventually lead me to where I am at today.... quietly agnostic, but still occasionally ask people to pray for me when shit gets really bad, because ehh, it can't hurt anything right? ",
"That sounds more like philosophy to me",
"Yeah? Well, your inability to grasp orally raping young boys to let them absorb manhood is not a valid argument against it.\n\nedit: /s for fuck's sake, /SSSSS",
"> (I suppose they're all 'white nationalists' and 'Neo-Nazis'.)\n\nA lot of them, definitely.",
"There are only 2 genders deal with it, snowflakes.",
"The inability to grasp math has always been a valid argument against it to me. ",
"love it ",
"Both sides might feel like they understand science, but that doesn’t mean both sides would be right. But I think that is a separate topic. The sign looks like it refers to the idea “yeah science says that but I don’t understand it and it doesn’t feel right so I believe the opposite, that is more convenient”.",
"so this is anti-abortion right?\nor pro-evolution?\nor anti-creaturism?",
"because science and religion are distinctly different things with little overlap\n\nyou cannot get a moral system from objective, empirical observation",
"can you post a list? i'm trying to find work on asteroid impacts for a thingy i'm writing. ",
"Mobile warning\n\nTried to print itself for some reason",
"As opposed to:\n\n“yeah science says that but I don’t understand it and it feels right so I believe the same”",
"Well said.",
"For the bigots hindering GMOs",
"That’s a pretty broad and false statement. Trump administration, sure. All conservatives, not true at all.",
"There's a difference between prioritizing industry over environmental issues and denying that the environmental issues even exist, despite mountains of evidence. One is a policy decision the other is willful ignorance being used to justify policy decisions.",
"Transgenderism isn't a mental illness, the science is settled.\n\nMan made climate change is real, and if you say otherwise you are a science denier. ",
"Are they not still teaching that in middle school? \n\nOr was it elementary school?",
"Yeah but was that side posted. I'm pretty sure it purposely wasnt also included in the picture.... ",
"argumentum ad ignorantiam",
"Who knows anymore. Their beliefs change at the flip of a switch. ",
"You are making an *a priori* assumption that the sum total of possible knowledge is finite. The limit of what can be known may very well be infinite, thus our ignorance will be forever boundless.",
"It's super effective!",
"No. No. There are absolutely definites, you know...laws of physics, laws of thermodynamics, conservation of energy, Boyle's law...those things. Also, things are not constantly being disproved. Our understanding of how things work changes. ",
"it's not --- but building a religious, moral, ideological structure around science is",
"Science based their truths in evidence, so where is the evidence that god exist?",
"Wow. You actually removed the quoted section. You realised you were wrong and you still attack me :D",
"All it means is for the majority of people, their gender and physical sex \"match\" and they're happy with that\n\nA correlation of .95 doesn't really mean anything in this discussion, especially when its not followed up by anything after.",
"Ill take even that.",
"if you half the cost of something, and 3 times the amount of people buy your product, you've won greater than keeping it at your same, too high, price. ",
"Holding a sign like this one doesn't make you a scientist or even smarter",
"No, the problem is that there is a genuine language difference between the colloquial use of the word theory and the word 'Theory' as used in scientific language.\n\nBecause of how the lesser form is used in common language, people tend to assume the definition of theory essentially amounts to 'what some guy thinks' and that makes it easy to dismiss. \n\nPeople need to understand that a scientific Theory such as gravity or evolution is something entirely different. It's our best working model of a phenomena that has been observed, experimented on and (most importantly) has a mathematical foundation robust enough to be predictive, and for those predictions to be accurate to near enough 100% within reasonable error. \n\nA scientific theory is essentially as close to an accepted and indisputable fact as the scientific community can get; something that would require absolutely extraordinary evidence to bring into dispute.\n\nI'm totally with /u/ZRodri8 on this. Having people who haven't got a fucking clue what they're talking about dismiss something as a 'just a theory' because they don't understand that a scientific theory means 'essentially proven' is maddening. It isn't people genuinely questioning that theory in an attempt to better understand the model, or to seek a more thorough, better predictive and more complete alternative. It's a convenient seeming excuse to justify dismissing any claim that doesn't agree with their pre-established world view. \n\nAnd as /u/sunbearimon suggested, if that distinction were drilled into kids in schools, it would be hugely beneficial to the general public's ability to understand current science when it makes headlines. \n\n>This is also the actual reason behind all the flat earth stuff - it's a underground grassroots effort for people to get more involved in science.\n\nUhhh, what? Am I missing some sarcasm here?",
"Ok fine, hmm lets see... is forktruck taken yet or did someone already get attention for that? ",
"Question: how does one prove a flat-Earther wrong?",
"for the record Nietzsche wasn't a nihilist. He was almost the exact opposite of a nihilist.",
"2 genders",
"Most science is not difficult to grasp. That's not the problem. Most science is presented to us in figures and graphs. Some people don't trust those who give us those figures and graphs. Sometimes there is good reason not to, like if the scientists were funded by a special interest group. Sometimes there is not good reason to. I don't know what this woman is referring to but there's not much 'grasping' in popular science.",
"it's hard to explain to the people",
"numismatics? gender studies? deeper economics? language xy you'll never have contact with? \n\ni mean sure, if someone tells me in 2 minutes how cool that or that is, i'm not going to fall asleep. but i won't read a book on numismatics, sorry.",
"Weed ",
"cause he's saying retarded shit?",
"Am I the only one who instantly switched attention to the written on the rear ? ",
"For some reason I read ‘failure is always an orphan’ and was like woah man shit got dark",
">Your inability to grasp anime is not a valid argument against it!\n\nI mean, i've seen plenty of people who approach the *medium* as a *genre* which usually leads to shitty arguments against it.\n\n>Your inability to grasp Sonic\n\nto be fair, not even Sonic Team seems capable of this. ",
"> There is plenty of accessible science writing.\n\nYes, but most of that writing *wrong*. There is no royal road to mathematics, if you don't put in the work you don't get it. And you can't do science without mathematics. \n",
"Is anyone else mesmerized by that handwriting?\n",
"If people did not argue against science, the world would not be where it is today. Don’t be dense simply because you put all your faith in other humans. Humans make mistakes, and the only reason we thrive as a society is because we constantly question each other. ",
"ive seen that graph 1000 times but not once have I seen accompanying explanation, what does the graph actually show, what the fuck are PC1 and PC2 (well, theyre specific genes), no idea what the %s next to them mean and the axies dont even have a scale. That graph reallllly needs an explanation. ",
"Yep. ",
"But... But your reality is fake news ",
"Similarly, don't reject science simply because you dislike what it says about the world. If hundred or thousands of scientists are agreeing on something, it's a safer bet to believe that they've got it right than to assume they've all made the exact same mistakes or are lying.",
"It doesn’t really apply to faith. By its nature, faith is personal and is anything you want it to be. It’s completely subjective and cannot hold up to scrutiny. You have faith just because you have it not because it’s based on any objective reality. \n\nEdit. Btw ththe opposite of science isn’t god. Disproving one doesn’t prove the other.",
">At the very least make sure everyone knows what ‘theory’ means in a scientific context.\n\nTell me, what *does* it mean in a scientific context? ",
"Social science is not an actual science though, as the person you're responding to pointed out. Sociological papers actually have no scientific basis whatsoever. Feminist theory actually includes tenets like \"science is a patriarchal construct\" and \"there is no objective truth\". These theories are completely incompatible with science, moreso than creationism even, which very easily acommodates science within the bounds of time, the universe, and life (everything beyond these Could be god). I am an atheist, for the record.",
"Well actually life begins at abiogenesis a few billion years ago.\nAnd if abortion is murder, then so is mowing the lawn.",
"A brudda",
"its not a flaw its the point of it, eventually, through science, a consensus will be reached. ",
"there might be -subtle- differences in racial IQ, but how they determined that it differs -greatly- probably has more to do with how whites and asians have more access to learning(or forced to learn young, rather) en masse vs undeveloped countries. there are still plenty of backwoods folk in just about every country with very low IQ's",
"Wait, so you're saying that because many Non Binary (or maybe including binary) trans people can't have kids they'll die off? Or does having children somehow make them cis again? What about intersex people?\n\nI kind of fail to see how that works, trans people have always existed and we don't seem to have died off yet so...\n\n ",
"Must be talking about basic understanding of biology and how theres only 2 genders.",
"When I gave classes (ITSEC) I used one hour a week to learn about new stuff going on. News on milestones, on hacks, on anything related, but real news. I think it really helps students to see that what you’re learning is more than just something to puke on an exam and move on. Also, learn to read the news, go to the source and compare it. Usually the title is way off, and reading the article makes clear it’s not really truly understanding the problem.\n\nThis can be done I so many areas... you have to correlate learned facts and theories with real world events. Science usually works. ",
">Name any contradiction and I'll refute it with ease. If \n\nI go with a classic one from genesis. Namely the fact it contains 2 different accounts of creation, Genesis 1:1-2:3 (I'll admit, I looked up the numbers) and Genesis 2:4-2:25.\n\nThe account are significantly different. In one, God creates the Earth in 7 days, in the other in 1 day. In one he creates man first, and then woman from the rib, in the other he creates them at the same time.\n\nThe order of creation is different too.\n\n>Also, you can't call me anti-science when you're arguing that gender is a social construct despite the fact that different genitals exist in physical reality.\n\nScience defines gender as the social roles people take. That's literally the definition of the word in the context we're using it.\n\nYour inability to understand that the word gender does not equal sex (which is the genitals bit) does not make science wrong. It just means you misunderstand.",
"Correct and also an appeal to false authority is invalid. \n\nLooking at you actors: Neil deGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye",
"Mowing doesn't kill the grass. It's like a haircut.",
"The thing is as well, it's not going to do anything to help people ignorant of science. The wording has that air of superiority to it, and it's only gonna make people mad and hate science more. \n\nNo one likes to be told they're dumb and they dont understand something.",
"There goes the “science denialism” term being thrown around again simply because I don’t agree with others. Please go into more detail about this scientific community. Possibly sources of any kind? ",
"You can though. Religion is based on faith. \nFaith is something I don’t understand, I need something I can touch. I don’t understand why someone would need a omnipotent presence. \n\nThe topic is the poorly thought out sign, just as science is incomprehensible to some people of faith, the same can be said for some of the science minded on religion. \n\nThe sign is dumb. ",
"You could say the same thing where you replace \"science\" with \"Islam\". How well do you actually understand the origins, jurisprudence, tafseer, etc. of Islam? Yet how strongly are you opposed to it? Is your opposition to it thus based on ignorance?",
"The APA purportedly consists of high-level homosexuals. The APA publishes the DSM, in which they're currently normalizing pedophilia. [Have you heard about the conference concerning DSM 5, where academics gathered to normalize pedophilia by treating pedophiles as victims and by stating that all men are pedophiles?](http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/07/07/cambridge-conference-paedophilia-is-natural-and-normal-for-males/)",
"So in your mind, making fun of some ladyboys is more important that a habitable environment for future generations. Okay.",
"That shows old theories regarding race and IQ that have been debunked, not the current theories that are being discussed. \n\nThat's like showing articles about outdated climate theories like [global cooling](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling) to justify that our current climate change models is pseudoscience.",
"From a non-bigot standpoint, there's still potential worry in GMO's since it's possible someone gets in way over their head and accidentally makes a species that kills our world, \n\nsuch as - a highly invasive plant that survives in almost all conditions and chokes out all other plant life. \n\nImagine if tomatoes killed off all the vegetative world.\n\nThey fear because they don't know science, but also they know it's possible for people who think they're smart to make very big mistakes.\n\nI guess a good fictional example would be \"Doc-Oc\" in spiderman 2, almost destroyed their city/world by accidentally making a miniature star.\n\nWhile the physics were made up in that movie, I think that's what \"bigots\" worry about - cocky people getting in way over their head.\n\nNothing wrong with fearing the unknown. \nI wouldn't take their opinions at face value as \"we should stop GMO's altogether\", but instead, as a reminder that we should be extremely careful.\n\n(On principle I always try to take both sides of an issue so I can get a better grasp of the entire picture. Of course I know and understand GMOs, having studied biochemistry in school, I understand the processes by which they're made as well.)",
"Go take a look at how some of those laws have been completely shit on in recent years. Theories that people take as gospel absolutely do get disproven over time, and you're quite literally, playing with Semantics in regards to \"Our understanding of how things works changes\" It doesn't mean anything different to my original comment. ",
"The fallacy of definitions explains that arguing over the accepted definition of a word is pointless. The question isn't \"Does 'gender' mean social role in society loosely related to sex?\" The question is, \"if 'gender' DOES mean this, have there always been more than two?\" So put your dictionary down. ",
"Literally the definition of faith is belief without physical proof. Your inability to grasp God is not a valid argument against Him. And even if you believe in the big bang, what created the particles that caused it? Matter, by laws of physics can't be created. But outside of the laws of physics God could easily have set the big bang in to motion. ",
">Nope, intelligence is 70%-80% heritable.\n\nHeritability does not mean that interpopulation differences are genetic. \n\nTo use a metaphor.\n\n>Suppose two handfuls are taken from a sack containing a genetically diverse variety of corn, and each grown under carefully controlled and standardized conditions, except that one batch is lacking in certain nutrients that are supplied to the other. After several weeks, the plants are measured. There is variability of growth within each batch, due to the genetic variability of the corn. Given that the growing conditions are closely controlled, nearly all the variation in the height of the plants within a batch will be due to differences in their genes. Thus, within populations, heritabilities will be very high. Nevertheless, the difference between the two groups is due entirely to an environmental factor—differential nutrition. Lewontin didn't go so far as to have the one set of pots painted white and the other set black, but you get the idea. The point of the example, in any case, is that the causes of between-group differences may in principle be quite different from the causes of within-group variatio\n\n>No.\n\nYes\n\n>Oh really.\n\nMeaningless chart is meaningless. Without background info so as to what the chart means, it could mean everything.\n\nEdit: \n\n>Recently, surveys of mitochondrial (Merriwether et al. 1991), Y-chromosome (Hammer et al. 1997), and various types of autosomal polymorphisms (Bowcock et al. 1991; Batzer et al. 1994; Deka et al. 1995a, 1999; Jorde et al. 1995; Watkins et al. 1995; Barbujani et al. 1997; Stoneking et al. 1997) have all shown that most human genetic diversity is found within, rather than between, populations.\n\n\n[Link](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1288178/)",
"Religion can make planes fly!\n\nInto buildings.",
"This is Reddit, not Twitter. If it's too difficult to explain your argument then I won't be doing it for you.",
"The existence of a wikipedia article doesn't mean the subject is taken seriously, or even studied by science. Take two seconds to look at the sources: They're fiction books and irrelevant 80s-era studies into individuals who believed they were werewolves (in which, guess what, they were considered mentally ill).\n\n",
"Who are you talking to?",
"Magic is just science unexplained. ",
"\"Words mean different things in different contexts\". When someone is talking about more than two genders, they are obviously not talking about biological sexes.\n\nThis isn't some definition that just tumblr groups use. It's an actual term used in social sciences. Even in colloquial usage, this distinction is being understood.\n\nThere is an entire wikipedia page about genders and even about the origin and modern usage of the word.",
"And whom is that placard supposed to be directed to? I like science and I'm a Bible-believing christian.",
"You don't get it from religious texts either.",
"There is a difference between science and religion in that one can actually be proven factual. But for those without the aptitude for it, philosophically the difference evaporates until they actually learn how to do so. It's not a criticism of science, but of the sense of superiority adopted by the ignorant. I already covered this to an extent in the undertones, but it also opens the door for the political weaponization of science to serve agenda before truth. Look at stuff like climate change denial or for a more caricatured example, bs like that Creationist dinosaur museum that got a lot of press last decade. In the future I believe it will be more and more common to present politically-motivated research and data under the guise of being science that's been cherrypicked or skewed in order to suit a narrative. And if you yourself don't have the power to comprehensively understand the study then it suddenly does become a scenario of just picking whom you trust more. What happens when both things are being presented as science? It makes it especially dangerous because people have already been conditioned to believe and trust in the untainted version that's actually just the pursuit of truth, but if they don't understand the operations behind it then it could potentially be used to falsely legitimize some real insidious ideologies for a large subset of the populace. ",
"Lol don't be such a ladyboy",
"What does it matter, really?\n\nIf someone is happy and fulfilled, do they need to have an unending thirst for science?\n\n",
"Wrong thread.",
"Gender roles are partially socially constructed, but they are built on strong biological foundations. There are essentially only two foundation shapes to build on, and you get to choose your building materials, but you only get to choose from the few materials you have at hand. The choice of material is social construction, the materials at hand are the limits placed by genetic expression which affects body and brain chemistry, neurology, etc. At this point, there's only two meaningful categories of genders and gender roles, male and female, with a possible third category of \"other\". No one should be forced to live their lives in any way whatsoever, and people can identify as whatever they like, but it should not be recognized by society and institutions. There's no meaningful difference between a self-described \"demi-sexual\" and a \"sapiosexual\" and a \"dragonkin\". They don't warrant their own mandatory pronouns in the English language. ",
"> Your inability to grasp God is not a valid argument against Him.\n\nIt totally is a valid argument. By your logic all fiction is real and we loose all ties to reality. \n\nSo we can conclude that religion is fiction, good.",
"Some bits that get cut off die and wither is my point. A haircut involves no murder since hair once its outside of the follicle is no longer alive.",
"It's funny that those psychiatric professionals and healthcare specialists with a focus on trans people made it so far without having to learn basic biology",
"> The fact that people use a word wrong doesn't make it become meaningless.\n\nNowhere in the etymology of the word gender is there the meaning 'the social role of a person within society'. \n\nThe word comes to us from Old French, where it meant 'kind, sort, class, or things/people sharing certain traits'. This, in turn, comes from the Latin for 'race, stock, family, kind, rank, or species'. I believe it was acceptable to use this word to group each of the sexes since Latin (which makes sense considering the meaning of the word). That said, using it as an alternative to 'sex' started in the 15th century, as 'sex' started to take on a rude/erotic connotation. 'Gender' eventually became the standard word for what was once called 'sex'. Using 'sex' to refer to the biological noun is acceptable again, but 'gender' never had the meaning you're claiming to have had. *I don't mean to attack your beliefs, but the idea of 'gender' referring to social qualities (instead of biological traits) is only attested as far back as feminist writings from the 1960s.*\n\nYou're the one doing the redefinition, not the rest of society, since 'social role' was never the 'right' meaning for the word. As I said before, that's fine. Language evolves, and people can change how they use words, but your usage of 'gender' is new and not widely accepted in society. Many academic circles have taken to the social vs biological definitions of 'gender' and 'sex', so things may move in that direction, but this redefinition is still far too new to have taken over. Many (nonsenior) adults are older than the redefinition itself, and many others who are younger are still too old to have been exposed to the distinction as children. It's incumbent on you to *not scold people for a misuse they're not committing*, and you should probably be comfortable with clarifying to others what you mean when you distinguish between nature and nurture.",
"Millions of your ancestors scratched and died for your chance to be here. Against the most absurd odds, they succeeded in creating an unbroken chain that led directly to you. Do you wonder or even care what they'd think about that? I mean I guess that's fine if it really makes you happy. We're just so different.",
"Desktop too, I bet it has something to do with it being archive_print.php. [http://phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1174](http://phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1174) is nicer.",
"According to [Psalm 145:3](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+145%3A3), no one can grasp God, not believers or non-believers.\n\n> Great is the Lord and most worthy of praise;\n his greatness no one can fathom.",
"The problem with this sign is that usually the argument is really about application. ",
"Having superior intellect doesn't make one a superior _human being_. Not agreeing with either of you; just calling out that very, very specific point.",
"To all those round earthers out there.",
"I agree with these 2 points, that's what our current understanding is. Although man made climate change is heavily debated even among scientists. There is a fair amount of evidence on both sides. Climate change of course isn't man made, that's also not what anyone says. The question is how big the impact of humans is on global warming, which is causing the climate change. The leading and most accepted evidence goes towards human involvement. But again, it's debated among scientists.",
"Those \"experts\" are all white nationalist clowns. They peddle hate and lies. They are about as far away from actual scientists as it gets. Nice try though.",
"I'm glad your secure enough in your beliefs to leave the conversation without contributing any hard evidence to support your argument while simultaneously believing you've won some ethereal moral high ground or victory. That's a great way to convince anyone else reading this that I'm wrong. Or yourself, for that matter.",
"For any faith-based belief, yes. All beliefs which require faith are equally reliable, which is to say, not at all. ",
"The problem is that “Science” has become a sort of religion today then a series of methods to reach most conclusive and convincing argument. So when a guy says: “Durr you cant deny thisss science says so” I say “ There is a research and a paper that reached this conclusion with their process. There is another group that reaches another conclusion and eventually proofs and results accumulate to form a probably useful fact that we act according to until it shows weaknesses that we start to look for another solution. \n\nAlso people who have never even remotely witnessed the creation of a scientific paper talking about science really grinds my gears. ",
"Anti-63 mental illnesses*",
"I'd also argue for less barefaced hostility from the pro-science crowd towards the layman. Just read this thread, it's really no wonder people react negatively towards science when the kinds of people they see discussing it openly despise them.",
"The disagreement isn't about differences between the races but *inequality* between the races. Having a low or high IQ doesn't give you a higher or lower human value.\n\nYour problem with race realism is the same as the liberal reaction to it: you think you're saying they are unequal when all that you're saying is that they are not the same.",
"Denying science again, baselessly attacking one of the most well respected scientific organizations in the world, using \"homosexual\" as an insult, [inventing controversy](https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/813669), linking breitbart, denying science yet again... I think your comment stands pretty well on its own for showing how incredibly deluded you are.",
"Depends how useful IQ is as a measure of “intelligence” and how applicable you think it is to real life. ",
"Going back to that picture. \n\nJust because you don't understand how the models work, does not make them invalid.",
"It's really a massive blight on atheists that so many have been corrupted by the new religion of cultural marxism. Well, the old religion, with a new resurgence.",
"Also, it's not an example of \"argument from ignorance\". Argument from ignorance is arguing that something is true because we haven't shown it's false or arguing something is false because we haven't shown it's true. It's not claiming somethings wrong because you don't understand it.",
"faith is based on... nothing. That's kinda the problem.",
"I think it's going great. People are starting to see leftists as drivel-spouting temper tantruming crybabies that it turns out don't know what the fuck they are babbling about.",
"Your Inability to Grasp Science is NOT A valid Argument in Favour Of It",
"FAKE NEWS!!!!",
"Even though I agree with the message, pics of signs aren't really appropriate content for this sub. Plus this is a (many times over) repost.",
"Are all thoughts fictional and non existent too then? ",
"Strawmanning your opposition does not sway minds but riles them up, sadly.",
"God exists whether you understand it or not.",
"No, but I have real trouble imagining having no real curiosity about it.",
"Next time you fall ill and go to a doctor remind yourself of this fallacy because your doctor is scientifically trained and applies scientific knowledge. And other sources of knowledge, especially religion, UTTERLY fail to accomplish this. Don't pray when you fall ill, it won't work - go to a doctor.\n\nSURE *some* scientists are corruptible as *all people everywhere* are depending on the circumstances and their character. No doubt about that. WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN PROVEN TO BE TRUE.\n\nSo let's apply this on, let's have one, RELIGION. Here we go: \"under the observation that religion very often is corruptible and almost on all its claims about the natural world is found to be completely wrong\". WHICH HAS PROVEN TO BE TRUE. \n\nSo, realize that science produces more valid and applicable knowledge and technology in any random decade than ANY religion in its ENTIRE existence. Which for many of them encompasses a few millennia.\n\nRealize that the car you are driving, the computer you are typing your nonsense on, the smartphone you are using, the life expectancy of about a slight 80 years you enjoy, the affluent life you live - these are all due to science.\n\nThere's even more to say here. You say science may actually be wrong. Evidently it does. But it is MOSTLY science itself correcting. Because every time a scientist produces a claim, he has to publish it in a peer reviewed journal where other scientists *are very happy* to tackle and falsify it. Competition is fierce in science. There is ongoing and continuous debate and discussion going on in science. So there are *numerous* ideas and concepts in science that are eventually shoot off and discarded or, as you call it, \"found actually to be wrong\". Falsifying mistakes and discarding flawed ideas is the hallmark of science.\n\nHOW UNLIKE religion. There \"the truth\" is eternal, persistent and absolute. Because it's \"the word of god\". And WHO is to doubt the word of a omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent being? THAT is a recipe for gullibility, humble obedience, uncritical parroting and blind worshipping. And that's why we are still stuck with people hawking with 3,500 years old obsolete and ridiculous concepts and notions which religion apparently didn't manage to get rid of despite the enormous amount of observational evidence falsifying it.\n\nIf you are worried about corruption, being wrong and ignorance, you BETTER focus yourself on religion. Science is the least to be worried about.\n",
"What you describe is why the far right has been waging a war on education for decades though. Its insanely easy to dupe the uneducated. Republicans took ot a step beyond that and made people actively campaign against education, hence their relatively successful effort of branding colleges and universities as liberal brainwashing centers. ",
"Why would that annoy you? I think the root of the problem is embedded in the answer to that question. Why so hateful? Why so averse to learning? ",
"Lol\" your argument takes too long to explain in a few sentences. It must be wrong!\"\n\nI didnt want to spend time knowing you would take any excuse to dismiss my point of view. But damn this is weak even for reddit. Just google slacker. If you dont want to know dont ask lol",
"Very late to the party but seriously Science of all kinds has holes in most theories. For someone to be skeptical does not mean that they deserve demeaning behavior towards them, simply that they like to be certain before taking a stance.",
"Then you ARE lost!!",
"The right in a nutshell ",
"[Anime is real](https://youtu.be/-88I2u7t-RY)",
"While you are correct, the subjects in science which people generally deny are ones with a scientific consensus and for which it would be very hard to find a paper taking the opposite view with any credibility.\n\nFor example: Climate change, vaccines, etc.",
"If research meant reading wikipedia for most people if would be ok with that. Wikipedia is usually well sourced for scientific topics and we wouldn't have things like the anti vax crowd.",
"Your inability to actually grasp science, is not a reason to defend it!!! (Not me, quoting a cousin who thinks that sacrificing family relationships is a good reason to say fuck you to people that have supported her all her life.). Kate, you’re a bitch. Not a scientist. But just keep swimming snowflake. ",
"The problem is you can say the exact same thing back...\n\n\"Your inability to grasp god is not a valid argument against it\" is what a theist would say",
"You are absolutely bat-shit crazy if you think biology has nothing to do with hormones, brain chemistry, or psychology. My god. Go back to the picture at the top of this thread, give your head a shake, then go read some literature on the topics you've maligned.",
"Can we all just wear it on a t-shirt? I'd be willing to help design one.",
"Religion is a building block of many conservative ideas, I don’t argue with that. While I am religious my self, I highly disagree with using religion as evidence for your argument as it holds no ground. And I believe there are sour apples on both sides, yet I also believe a much larger portion of liberals use this emotionally based argument style than conservatives. This is hugely why the media is ran by liberals because their pathos based agenda reaches their target audience which is mostly made up of young adults (which is then mostly made up of liberals as it has been for years). ",
"It really does matter if you want to look into past works/sources and have to find out intended definition of words from the author, instead of retroactively applying it to everything and possible misinterpret the ideas of others.\n",
"Better than my attempts at buarocracy or however the hell you spell it. Have to look it up every single time (no I didn’t this time lol)",
"I know that when I'm proven wrong I get irritated but I'd rather know if I'm wrong. People who are ok with being wrong are the problem.",
"I hate it that they have said 'grasp science' like science is one infallible truth. It isn't...science is a myriad of complex and often divided studies.",
"> Theory, in scientific language, is the highest level a predictive model to explain a phenomenon can achieve.\n\nYour sentence is grammatically ambiguous, but it sounds like you're saying \"theory\" in science means something significantly more than it does in usual language. I've heard this argument from people before, and none of them work in science, because the argument is wrong. The word \"theory\" in science (excluding mathematics) is commonly used just like it would be used by laypeople, except for the fact that usually the connotation in science is that there is at least some kind of mathematical formalism that describes the theory. Don't believe me? Think \"String Theory\" (so far untested, possibly untestable), \"M-theory\" (not clear what it even *is*), etc... You can have a theory in science without any evidence for it, people still call it a theory. ",
"Aliens",
"You don't have to write a peer-reviewed scientific journal to understand science. \n\nAlso, have you written one?",
"I concluded that neither side of the spectrum makes any sense whatsoever. Both are too extreme, too far apart.",
"Can’t tell if this is an argument for climate change or against transgender folk... 🤔",
"sci-hub.la, libgen.io ",
"Just because is something computer model it doesn’t makes it science, pal\n\nWant to talk about science around aryan race? ",
"They are both ignorant. In a 50-50 chance of being right, you're not making the world better for jumping in with the majority.\n\nReading research and getting a decent understanding of something before forming (edit: voicing) an opinion is always going to be the only correct choice.",
"> For someone to be skeptical does not mean that they deserve demeaning behavior towards them\n\nUsually it does. *Sometimes* it doesn't but most scientific denial is full on *denial*, not measured skepticism about certain aspects of the accepted theory.",
"> Name any contradiction and I'll refute it with ease.\n\nSo who actually went to the empty tomb? \n\n- Mary Magdalene and the other Mary (Matthew 28:1) \n- Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome (Mark 16:1) \n- Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others (Luke 24:10) \n- Mary Magdalene and later Simon Peter and the other disciple (John 20:1,3)\n\nWho did they find?\n\n- An angel of the Lord descended from heaven (Matthew 28:2) \n- A young man clothed in a long white robe (Mark 16:5) \n- Two men in shining garments (Luke 24:4) \n- Two angels in white (John 20:12)\n\nWho did they tell afterwards?\n\n- They said nothing to anyone (Mark 16:8) \n- They ran to bring His disciples word (Matthew 28:8) \n- They told all these things to the eleven and to all the rest (Luke 24:9) \n- She told the disciples (John 20:18)\n\nWhere did Jesus ascend?\n\n- In Bethany (Luke 24:51) \n- On Mount Olivet (Acts 1:12)\n\nBonus question: What's Josephs genealogy? \n\nMatthew and Luke cannot agree on the father of Joseph:\n\n- Matthew 1:2-17 and Luke 3:23-38\n\nAlso how do you reconcile them saying Jesus is the son of Joseph with his virgin birth? ",
"Yes, of course it hurts but we accepted and moved on. Unlike some people who pulls out the \"Clinton Whataboutism card\" when the their orange reality TV baboon is tarnished with internet comments. ",
"Oh another god of the gaps. Guess the ancient greeks said the same thing about thunder and the sun rising and setting. Who coul do such things but THE GODS. Small minds...",
"This comment is beautifully written. I wanna print it out and put it on my wall. ",
"I initially thought this was sarcasm and upvoted, then realized the earlier retarded comments belonged to you and realized you're serious. Jesus.",
"See you don’t understand it either. The “point” of the sign is moot. ",
"You said it, man.",
"Logic ",
"The irony of this woman probably being an antivaxxer or chemtrailer.",
"Lol",
"Well, actually...",
"\"If you're still picking and choosing your beliefs based only on what you like then your not actually interested in what is true.\"",
"I honestly wonder how people come to such ridiculous conclusions. Have you ever read a study in psychology? Looked at their methodology? Anything?\n\nOf course not, you're convinced it isn't real, because you were told so as a blanket way of being able to deny swathes of science without having to deny the scientific method.\n\nRead the paper I cited, read its sources, and tell me again that they have \"no scientific basis whatsoever\". Use your best poker face.",
"I'd be inclined to agree, but I've been seeing more stuff lately saying race isn't so scientific. Sorry, but when faced with scientific facts, I'm inclined to change my view. ",
"oh, cool - I didn't know it was spelled like that",
"This [Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP)](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16569567.) shows that it actually CAN hurt you.",
"Yep. Like we should all just collectively click and say, yeah, that's what the whole of science is in its entirity. ",
"People should just read about constructivism. You can't be 100% rational. There is always emotions involved. \nConstructivism is a way to understand things without the limitation of the conflict between rational and emotional",
"And the debate is how much impact does humanity have on climate change, and is it feasible to curb that change.\n\nIf you say anything against the narrative, you're a science denier.\n\nI'm a science denier, apparently, because I don't believe that tying up US industry, while the world's biggest polluters are given a free pass, will have any affect on the situation, or if there is an affect, it'll be negligible.\n\nAlso, the same people who are for curbing climate change are also for bringing more breeders into the US. That means more people, more cars, more pollution. If people are having such a big impact on the environment, why do they want more people? ",
"https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pdblv/comment/dsgleng?st=JC8W1WV6&sh=76ee87c5",
"I cen remember thinking it was a good quote when I saw it. After that episode it started comming in the intro.",
"The idea that believing in a god automatically makes you an illogical lunatic is just asinine. Even if you think it's ridiculous, it says nothing else about their worldview.",
"> A more than successful improvement on scientific literacy among common citizens would be to simply get the devoted Christian Evangelicals and Alt-Right types to understand something as rudimentary as what's taught on the Tom Scott channel, SmarterEveryDay, and Crash Course\n\nMy bet would be that they actually understand basic science just as well (poorly) as anyone else, with a few exceptions of the scientists from those groups (I know plenty of phd students who are evangelical christians, I'm willing to bet they know basic science like in those channels better than 99% of people in this thread)",
"“Accepted and moved on” lmao no not really",
"sounds like you're triggered by the scientific fact that there are only two genders, and muh hermaphrodism is a disorder",
"Nor really an argument. You can change the word science for anything...",
"This comment is all over this thread. The irony is that they all have scientific responses talking about how this view of gender is scientific and then the OP disagrees in a very unscientific way. ",
"Kind of like how people are either born as XY or XX except for a select few who are born as XXY; that it can't be changed, no matter how many surgeries or pills or taken?\n\nI still prefer watching XXX, all alone, in the dark, when everyone is sleeping.",
"> I go with a classic one from genesis. Namely the fact it contains 2 different accounts of creation, Genesis 1:1-2:3 (I'll admit, I looked up the numbers) and Genesis 2:4-2:25.\n\nGenesis 1 and 2 aren't 2 different accounts; they're coherent. Genesis 1 ends with day 6 and Genesis 2 continues with day 7 before giving an in-depth account starting from Genesis 2:4. The only supposed contradiction is in verse 2:19 because of a lack of emphasis on the past tense of God creating the creatures. The original Hebrew implies a present tense and therefore clears up this supposed contradiction (as in, it refers to the creation account of Genesis 1 instead of claiming to be a separate account).",
"That is a false dilemma and I refuse to make an argument against a fallacy that attempts to insult my intelligence with an egregious analogy. ",
"Its tough to take your opinions about sexuality seriously, analforklift",
"Identity isn’t science...\n\nBiology is science. If you tell a transgender folk they are biologically a sex, that doesn’t mean anything in regards to their *gender* identity. \n\nSure, we may not get it. Do we really care enough about how someone else lives their life to need to get it?\n\n*Just say* **ok**.",
"Your inability to grasp faith is not a valid argument against it. ",
"Isn't it funny how it is completely ok to shit on Scientology, but when it comes to other religions like Christianity and Islam, you just don't understand the religion, you have never read the Quran, or they're just normal people like us. ",
"The oppositions argument is implied within the context of the sign, no? At least that’s how I’m perceiving it. \n\nEdit:\nUnless they’re saying that the oppositions argument is derived from a lack of scientific understanding, but they’ve presented it in such a way that the argument in it of itself is that they “Don’t get science, therefore you’re wrong.” In that case, it would be a strawman. I don’t think anyone claims that ignorance is their basis for their position. lol",
"I should clarify that psychology is generally a respectable field and completely distinct from sociology, which is what I meant by social sciences (sociology, gender theory, feminist theory, etc.). So, don't attempt to pull credence from psychology's sound methodologies over to sociology, thank you.\n\nedit: No, I will not be reading through 100 cited sources in your review paper. You can point to an individual primary research paper conducted with sound methodology if you want to make a point.",
"Says the people who think a man can become a women. ",
"> To use a metaphor.\n\nThe metaphor would be interesting if it had anything to do with the topic at hand.\n\n>Yes\n\nI'd show you why you're wrong, but it would get me banned.\n\n>Meaningless chart is meaningless.\n\nA chart showing the genetic distance between human populations and how they form clearly deliniated groups is meaningless when you claimed the exact opposite. Sure. You do you.",
"Yo nice job dipping outta that one. You just insulted your own intelligence by providing zero rebuttal.",
"Many, hence my point.",
"Oh boy.",
">Why the fuck don't we accept the expertise of the experts?\n\nBecause the experts don't. Go to a scientific conference, see how people feel about the work other people are doing. See e.g. http://www.igmchicago.org/igm-economic-experts-panel . Notice how not all the experts answer the same way. ",
"says the bronze age myth believing sheep",
"I don’t think they believe that chromosomal disposition can be altered.",
"In biology, it is never referred to as \"gender,\" it is \"sex.\" There are two sexes. \"Gender\" is societal term. If you don't believe me, look in like any dictionary, or look back on your bio notes",
"Oh shit I did forget the /s\n\nNo I would never say that shit seriously (suuuuuuper tempted to drop the /s here though just to fuck with you).\n\nCheers",
"I imagine her sign is just about as effective as most other signs, regardless of her beliefs.",
"Reminds me of one of the worst arguments I heard regarding biology and genetics.\n\n\"Genetics is still a relatively new science, so a lot of stuff still hasn't been explained thoroughly, so it's best to take the whole field of study with a grain of salt.\"",
"The article that graph is from seems to do a fairly good job explaining it. [Link](http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/07/one-principal-component-to-rule-them-all/)",
"Bullshit, one is evidence based the other faith based. People can believe what ever religion they want, it cool and ultimately comes down to faith. The reason I accept the germ theory of disease, evolution or man made climate change it evidence based.",
"I too was lazy.",
"agreed!!! zeus is the fairest of them all!!!",
"Saying sex and gender are different is retarded? ",
"Your identity isn't biological. Unless you think you were born kind of a dick. \n\n",
"People forget about the past very quickly, especially those that don’t base their political beliefs in fact but rather selfish individualism. ",
"... Try taking a slightly closer look at what I cited above.\n\nHint: It's by the American Psychological Association, the largest psychological organization in the world. This is entirely within the field of psychology.",
"No one said anything about denigrating anyone. If you are trying to equate questioning of certain approaches meant to helping those with GID as mocking, then that is on you.",
"Bu-but science says there are only 2 genders, so I HATE science.",
"Faith comes in many forms.\n\nThat’s an argument against each individual one...",
"Peep the /s dumbass. What I believe is the opposite of everything in that whole statement.",
"Yeah, sure. It's important and quite relevant, but the way I see it I can leave it for those who care about it and benefit from it happening in the background of my life. Likewise I've got friends who couldn't care less about politics, yet politics defines the society they live in. They trust the likes of me to deal with it and maybe convey the most important stuff in short to them. I trust scientists to do the right things and contribute with what they do.\n\nRegarding method, I already apply scientific method in my daily doings due to the fact that I study political science. The minutiae of physics, chemistry, rocket science or whatever is not interesting to me, really. If someone tells me about some discovery in physics and how it might be applied in the real world, I can appreciate that however. ",
"Also applies when you try to push 57 genders. ",
"> Lol\" your argument takes too long to explain in a few sentences. It must be wrong!\"\n\nI didn't say you're wrong. How could I? I don't know what you're saying and you don't want to explain.\n\n> I didn't want to spend time knowing you would take any excuse to dismiss my point of view.\n\nThis didn't prevent you from replying, though, so you could have just spend a few more minutes explaining what you want to say instead of saying \"lol\" several times.",
"What? When did Science have a political leaning? ",
"http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2010/07/one-principal-component-to-rule-them-all/\n\nI found the blog from which the data came. And guess what, it doesn't mean what he thought to imply.\n\n>Though there’s some interesting fine-grained analysis to be had, they draw some macro-scale and deep time inferences as well. First, you probably know the famous fact that 15% of variation in genes is between races, and 85% within races. That’s derived from the Fst statistic, which is basically partitioning between and within population variance across two populations. Obviously the value of Fst varies by the set of populations you’re comparing. That between Mbuti Pygmies and Japanese is far higher than between Chinese and Japanese. Using the HapMap the Fst was 16%. About what you’d expect. To equalize sample sizes with the HapMap they randomly selected individuals from a pooled set grouped by continent from their populations, and calculated Fst. They found values around 11%. Why the difference? Because their data set included populations which were between the three clusters within the HapMap.\n\nThe data you see on the graph is selected in such a way so as to bring out the differences between the various groups they've chosen. This is usefull if you want to analyse the human spread across the world.\n\nIt is not a perfect illustration of human variation.",
"I'm sorry but how is this trending? This brand of condescending, confrontational, generic posturing has been proven useless time and time again when approaching real discussion. Yes, we may not agree on something but no, it's not necessarily because one of us is an idiot.\n\nBackgrounds matter as much as actual opinions do.",
"Seriously, there's so many. The amount of times I've been seeing ImmunosuppressivePup and Two_Inches_Of_Fun along with the other classic karma whore accounts on the front page is honestly infuriating. And I know I'm not obligated to be annoyed by reposters and the like but I still hate it.",
"Yup, we evolved in polar opposite climates entirely seperate for 100,000 years, some absorbed neanderthal and denisovan into their genetic profile, and everything else about us is different but we evolved the EXACT same brain, our most essential tool of survival.\n\n\nMakes perfect sense except....\n\n\nhttp://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/the-existence-of-race/\n\n\nhttp://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2017/01/07/race-and-iq-the-case-for-genes/\n\n\nhttp://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/14/misunderstandings-on-race-and-iq/\n\n\nInside all these articles you will find bits of red text. Those bits are links to peer reviewed studies, those things you tout so highly when it comes to climate change. I do not deny climate change whatsoever.\n\n\nIf you deny race and differences between them you deny evolution. It is as simple as that. Race realism is not the outlandish, impossible position. Yours is.",
"Re: Your edit. \n\nNow you just happen to be in an anthropology University program?\n\nLol. Get out of here, kid.",
"If you die without reproducing, then you died off. Reproduction requires one of each of the 2 genders.\n\nTrans operations often leave them unable to reproduce because they had their genitals removed, which makes it impossible to reproduce. \n\nReproduction also isn't only about genitals, but also about the other reproductive organs, since the female has to be able to become pregnant and carry the child till birth.\n\nIntersex people have a birth defect, that doesn't make them a separate gender.\n\nBeing trans also isn't passed along to the next generation, so they haven't \"always existed\" in that sense.",
"The back says evidence trumps opinion",
"I agree with you completely. It's not what you believe which makes you illogical, it's why you believe. ",
"#kyrieirving",
"Liberal ideas actually line up more with the Bible (love your neighbour as yourself, etc.) than Atheist ideas (there is no God) so while it may be true that there is a correlation between atheism and liberalism, it doesn't really provide any information relevant to the subject.\n\nFurthermore, most atheists being liberal does not mean most liberals are atheists, which means the second part of your argument is invalid (as the population of non-atheist liberals may be large enough to hide any property of atheists from the overall liberal population and vice versa).\n\nFinally, your assertion that many liberals believe in infinite genders is flawed. You don't need to believe in more than 2 genders to to treat someone who has a strange self-identity with respect. In fact, most people just don't give a shit at all.",
">usually\n\nNo, almost completely. If you try to make an incorrect edit on 15 Wikipedia pages right now, I can guarantee you 14/15 of them will be removed within 5 minutes, and maybe half of them within seconds by a bot. And that 15th one? Probably will be fixed by a later date. People underestimate just how much effort goes into Wikipedia and Wikis in general. It's actually insane how accurate the information is.\n\nSource: Have been a member of power on several Wikis (not exactly Wikipedia, but Wikis work exactly the same as Wikipedia does and I know for a fact through connections that Wikipedia is even more thorough than I experienced).",
"Yeah...none of those laws have changed. The only thing that has happened in the past two decades is that we have further proven that those laws hold up across the universe. \n\nPlease, please give me an example of a peer-reviewed journal being published that is a complete 180 from our understanding of something.",
"Arguably most people don’t understand most scientific priciples. I get that you might not understand something and that could give way to skepticism. What I hate though is the wananbe scientists that take every scientific finding as gospel even though they have no fucking clue what they’re talking about ",
"Was the /s there before?? Don't think I would have missed it, but I might have just assumed, based on the chain of other critical theory comments you made lol.",
"Sex is biology.\n\nGender is identity. \n\nWho the fuck cares what someone chooses to identify as?",
"The type of people predisposed to hold signs like this are generally the most arrogant and ignorant, thinking that them blindly accepting what the mainstream media tells them equals having a scientific understanding of a subject. This is a lot more about enjoying dissing other people than trying to persuade them to be more open-minded.",
"The bandits are coming!!",
"Dude fuck off already idk why you want to create a discussion out of nowhere. If you want an answer just google. If not good idc. But stop replying me",
"people are only interested in the cute trivia, no one actually cares to learn science in itself. but hey, it might inspire a few to study.",
"Understanding of science, in fact, can only come from skepticism. People disagreeing with you is healthy and constructive. But scence is warped by liberals to say anything now.",
"Slippery Slope. ",
"this picture is endorsing science and you're defensive. ",
"Both sexes are required. Sex is your physical body while gender identity is in your mind.\nPeople seem to believe that trans people deny the reality of their body but that's not true. They just have a mind that doesn't fit the body they were born with. ",
"You do realize what you're saying actually supports the exact opposite of your claim, right?",
"I've heard it described as binary with exceptions rather than a smooth spectrum. How do you feel about that characterization?",
"I certainly don't care, but it's hypocritical as fuck to pick and choose which issues you hide behind science on. All or nothing. Global warming is real. Human fetuses are human lives.",
"nah...doing that is what stupid people do",
"Beacause beliefs matter, we don't as a society have the option to ignore things that have real world consequences. ",
"Lol, you made too many of these comments without /s, I thought they were all serious. My bad I guess? Or maybe that's just satire getting too close to reality because the cultural marxism displayed on reddit is that crazy.",
"The empirical natural science and the humanities, both studied with some moral backbone, provide their own fulfillment and compute to leading humanity somewhere better tommorow than it is today...today is already (quite) nice. :)\n",
"I have nothing to form a rebuttal against. The claim that my argument relates to oxygen not existing is such a far fetched bottom of the garbage bin analogy that any logical argument would be impossible with someone as dense as the type of person that would use that analogy as the foundation of their argument. ",
"Nice quote, I think I may even agree for the most part. What I don't see is how it applies here (or rather, I can see several ways of applying it). \n\nWhat is *your* meaning?",
"Lol what a wonderful citing of Lewontin's fallacy. It is a fallacy because it is meaningless. \n\n\nThere is more genetic variation within Chihuahuas and Saint Bernards than between. Does that mean dog breeds are a social construct?\n\n\nBest example, there is more genetic variation within human males and females than between. Does that mean the Y chromosome is crackpot pseudoscience?\n\n\nStep your argument game up bud.",
"\"A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward.\" Are we quoting historical figures from the WW2 era or what are you trying to accomplish?\n",
"I had a couple of people I know tell me the other day they legitimately don’t believe in climate change. they think it’s a government hoax to tax us more.",
"'Picture of text' what a joke this subreddit has become",
">Yup, gender is a perfect example of people failing to grasp the science behind it and blanketly denying it.\n\n\nI think you just fail to grasp their argument. The thing you quote starts with: \n\n> Gender identity is defined as a person’s deeply felt, inherent sense of being a girl, woman, or female; a boy, a man, or male; a blend of male or female; or an alternative gender\n\nPeople who don't think gender identity in this sense is meaningful won't care about the science being quoted. ",
"Because there are.. v-volumes.. of proven data, uh,n-numbers! Y'know.. figures! Th-th-there are fossil records!\n",
"So? It is a fair statement whatever the object.\n\nYour inability to grasp Scientology *isn't* a valid argument against it. Your inability to grasp Nazism isn't a valid argument against it. Change the object to anything and the point remains: you can't argue against something from a position of ignorance and stupidity. ",
"you are pushing shit up hill if you think you are going to talk sense into this person",
"while science is important, not everyone NEEDS to be into it. sure, knowing the basics is nice, but it's still not necessary. sure, the world works on the basis of physics, but we're not modeling the world, we're just taking part inside of it.",
"The deconversion process is basically just reality shitting on every aspect of your belief system until you finally realize the whole thing is covered in shit and swap it out for a new one.",
"sex and gender are the same thing. That gender identity stuff has only been pumped into your heads in the passed 10 years or so.",
"Not really.",
"Your mother was a hamster",
"Yeah.....\n\n\n\nFunctioning y chromosome = male. \n\n\n\n\n\n\nAnything else is pretty much the exception that proves the rule. ",
"That’s never the point of signs. Signs are to rally your own side not to convince the opposite side. Literally, no one has ever read a sign and gone “Oh yeah, that’s a good argument”. It doesn’t matter what you put on there. No one is going to listen. ",
"Why do reposts get the most upvotes? ",
"That's exactly the mentality the sign is criticising. It's asking you to understand science before arguing against it, and that's a reasonable demand whatever the object you're arguing against. ",
"Why do I suspect that this individual believes in the existence of 234,854 different intersectional Polymorph Trapezoidal genders? 🙄",
"“Argument from ignorance”\np.s. If only there had been enough room on the back of this placard, to list those ways in which ‘science’ is fatally flawed. But then, why let demonstrable reality impinge on yet another fallible human belief system.\n",
"I agree, I wrote usually not to sound absolute but Wikipedia is basically foolproof unless you search an obscure topic or in a less used language. \nAlso, thank you for working on wikis, you are doing god's work. ",
"You do know there are fields of science called \"Computer Science\" and \"Computational Science\" and \"Computer Engineering,\" right? If you take data and enter it into a designed computeral model, it is absolutely science.\n\nSource: someone who is getting degrees in both chemistry and computational science",
"You want the government to decide what clothes you should wear too?",
"The back of this sign says “evidence trumps opinion” unless anyone else has any ideas about the first word.",
"looks at the public school system that underfunds poor schools in black neighborhoods and Greg4581's trailer park.",
"elitism about stem isn't a very popular stance, you should know.\n\nnot everyone needs to want to know how the universe functions, just like you don't need to know about colour composition or what makes certain types of music pleasant to people.",
"Confirmation bias\n",
"Which isn't something that religious people all necessarily indulge in more than anyone else, if we're being honest with ourselves.\n\n",
"Lol. ",
"You do realize that only a douchebag with the social skills of a 15 year old would say something like this, right?\n\n ",
"What is supply and demand economics?\n\nObviously supply and demand exist, but whats supply and demand economics?",
"repost",
"I remember that time Scientology cured my cancer and made me a smartphone. Oh wait, no I don't...",
"Oh cool, what Journal are they published in?",
"Science works. Religion doesn't. That's the vital difference and that's what matters and it's what differentiates those promoting a religious worldview and those promoting a scientific worldview.",
"Everything based on testimonies of \"this is how *I* feel\" is not science.\n\n>Psychologists understand that gender is a nonbinary construct\n\nNo. Some do, most don't. The concept of \"gender\" is a very Anglo-Saxon construct anyway ( as your citations show...)",
"This kind of post reminds me of early reddit when you couldn't get away from iamverysmart atheists. ",
"Nor Hitler.",
"Wait... You just linked a random picture.... ",
"Gender",
"Wtf",
"I know. But just because is something a computer model it doesn’t make it 100% science. \n\nDo you get this concept?",
"Not to mention there are different types of \"science\". Science incorporates hard sciences like physics as well as psychology and social sciences. One of these sciences is not like the other. \n",
"> I'd rather know if I'm wrong\n\nI would too. It's just that the world isn't 100% people like us, and we need to love each other not hate and despise our differences.\n\nKinda tree-huggery but, you get the feeling...",
"Someone get this to the progressives on reddit whose economics knowledge is literal cancer",
"Since we can't see it, can you please give us that list?",
"> hey just have a mind that doesn't fit the body they were born with. \n\nThat just makes them mentally ill. Removing their genitals isn't going to help them at all. It'll often cause them to commit suicide because there is no way back after an operation.",
"It is the other way around. Political leaning claims to be the true science, and its dogma cannot be questioned. \n\nLeftists have called for criminalizing skepticism if it does not support their political goals.",
"“Alternative facts”",
"> what does the graph actually show, what the fuck are PC1 and PC2 (well, theyre specific genes), no idea what the %s next to them mean and the axies dont even have a scale. That graph reallllly needs an explanation.\n\nIt's a [Principal Component Analysis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal_component_analysis) plot. PC1 refers to Principal Component 1, and the % value next to it denotes how much of the variance can be attributed to that component. PC2 refers to Principal Component 2, and so on. Since PC1 had a value of 78.7% and PC2 had a value of 10.4%, you can attribute 89.1% of the variation between samples to these two axes.\n\nGenerally, if you do a PCA analysis and see that your samples group tightly together, it means that there are actual differences between your groups. It's often tied together with the more rigorous PLS-DA (Partial Least Squares Discriminant Analysis) that will tell you if there is a statistical basis by which you can separate your groups.",
"You're totally supposed to argue what you don't understand, as long as you're alright with finding out you are wrong. ",
"She should look at the evidence then.",
"cool, like i said haven't read him at all, perhaps its finally time... my reading list is so daunting however that its easier to just reddit and watch porn than pick something of substance to read... wait what were we talking about?",
">The difference being that one of those is a consensus and the other is not.\n\nYou'd be surprised if you found out which one is which. We've known how heritability works for hundreds of years. Also, look into where the 97% consensus comes from. Incredibly shitty methodology. \n\n>but a scientific consensus is as close to absolute fact that the scientific method will allow.\n\nYeah, no. Consensus mean shit. Let me tell you a story. There was a dude called Wegener who had the wacky idea that the continents are moving and once formed a single landmass. The conensus was that Wegener was full of shit. Turns out he wasn't. \n",
"Yeah, nobody ever actually argues \"climate change is wrong because I don't understand it.\" Yes, maybe their rejection of it stems from a lack of understanding, but they don't acknowledge that, much less use it as an argument.",
"Numismatics is not a science.\n\nGender studies is completely fascinating to me. There are a few cultures in which transsexuals have been completely accepted and integrated, so I'd probably ask what they know about those.\n\nSpecific languages are not individual sciences, but linguistics most definitely is exciting. It's a very hot science right now in machine understanding and translation of speech. I'm also very curious to know the effects that different native languages have on the way people think.\n\nAlso, did you know that linguistics is deeply related to gender studies? Men and women are subcultures with measurable differences in vocabulary. For example, I could probably guess your gender by whether you describe the color of something as \"mauve\", \"plum\", \"lavender\", or \"purple\". Hint: Men only use one of those words unless they're gay. I'm probably boring you but I think it's fascinating.",
"Well sure, but that's the opposite. That's taking into account the meanings behind a claim independent of the specific definitions used. ",
"Reminds me of Pathfinder when every room our party would walk into we would choose to disbelieve everything we saw just to make sure we weren’t falling for any silly illusion spells.",
"Lets play gender science or when life begins .....\n\n",
"*Yes*",
"Well, when it comes down to specific things like the human value of non-believers and LGBT people, the way that science should be taught, the taxes that religious organisations need to pay, and the overarching dominance of one religion over another in government, let's be honest and call religious people *mildly biased* by default.",
"Humans have expressed more than 2 genders all throughout history. It's part of human nature.\n\nThe major reason that this discussion is so difficult is because of the word gender. It did only mean sex in the past, but now it has 2 definitions. It's just unfortunate that the concept of gender identity doesn't have its own unique term, because it causes endless confusion.\n",
"u/ImmunosuppressivePip finally was suspended the other day! r/MakeRedditGreatAgain lol.",
"As far as I can tell they were used totally interchangeably up until the last few years. People are free advocate for using the words the new way and if it gains widespread traction, then those are the new definitions. But you can't just say \"this is the new definition now.\" That's not how language works.",
"Wow, thank God I’m not the only one who can actually read and write really well, but for the life of me i can hardly ever remember how to spell “restaurant”.",
"I don't doubt that the APA found a large number of people who claimed not to identify as a man or a woman. I don't dispute that people can be transgender, feeling as though they were born in the wrong body. That said, the existence of transgenderism actually reinforces the gender binary as a meaningful distinction. For there to be a trans- anything, there must be 2 sides, one to leap from and one to land on. For a man to feel like a woman, a woman must exist. A woman must be a \"thing\". Clearly, there are strong biological origins to gender. Gender is superficially molded by culture, not socially constructed from the foundation up. There is strong evidence showing that the vast majority of children who experience gender dysphoria actually resolve and come to be comfortable in their biological gender identity, and reasignment surgery causes high rates of regret. The actual number of people who do not conform to man or woman in a meaningful way is very small, and each person's unique sense of self does not warrant unique words to describe them in the english language, and does not warrant some sort of class protection under the law (all individuals should be adequately protected under the law as individuals).",
"Why did you link this?\n\nIs it about the link in the response? That's about intelligence, not race.",
"We’ll scientifically there’s only two sexes...",
"Well, all that is no different than it's ever been.\n\nWhat's different today is the astonishing amount of information that *is* easily -- and nearly freely -- available to anyone who actually wants it.",
"Yes there is. They're claiming that the opposition is making an argument from ignorance: \"I don't understand science therefore it is invalid.\" How else would the sign even make sense?",
"People don't have to love it or anything like that. I would argue that it's necessary--basic science at least. A lot of human day to day behavior is scientific in nature. I'd just like for people to appreciate that and realize that those things are actually closely related to \"real science\"\n\nUsing your example as an example, I would say that to properly be a part of the world (and not die), you'd need a basic understanding of it and in gaining that knowledge you are already effectively modeling it.",
"Science backs the existence of God. So it is reasonable to have faith. And before you berate me, you should know a lot of top tier scientists and mathematicians believe in a creator for the same reason I do, the evidence",
"Sure similar. The argument would be similarly sounding but thats all. This is similar to why explaining statistics is so hard - statements are similar but they state entirely different things. What is important is always the context\n\n\"Your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it\"\n\nand \n\n\"Your inability to grasp [Scientology] is not a valid argument against it\"\n\nYou know what is science, you know what stands behind it, you understand the process of scientific research. You dont understand the topic but you understand whats behind it. The same you can say about scientology. You might not understand scientology but you understand how sects work. Its easy to decide which argument is valid and which is not.",
"Encouraging people to take an interest in your field is the opposite of elitism.",
"Evidence Trumps Opinion (read in the back)",
"If you use science like a sweeping broadsword, you don't understand the scientific method",
"What is a much larger portion? A see a lot of liberals out there marching for gay rights and that kind of stuff but that's not an \"emotional\" argument, that's just an ethical one. What the \"sour apple\" conservatives are doing is boycotting businesses that allow their employees to use their first amendment right and kneel during the national anthem and companies that decide to allow transgender people to go to the bathroom they identify with. Or they destroy their kneeling players nfl jerseys and smash their coffee machines because the players or company disagree with Trump. Or even \"fake news\"! There will be evidence of things, video evidence, and because Trump denies it, it's fake news. How is that not an emotional response. They refuse to believe the truth because they are emotionally attached to Trump. And yes religion can be used as an argument because people are very emotionally attached to their religion, thus making them act out emotionally through their religious \"values\" and make arguments with them. (And yes I know there are many liberals who act out based on emotions, I'm not refuting that. I'm just saying there is a large amount of conservatives who do too while they say liberals do.)",
"Science doesn't know all answers (yet) and probably never will. Science neither proofs nor disproves a good. Science is our way of understanding how the world works based on evidence, observation and repeatable test results. No scientist has a problem to say \"well, we don't know\". However this of course doesn't make a god any more true, since there is no evidence for a god at all. You may hold whatever belief you want, but some people are actually more interested in what is actually true based on observational data and are confident in saying \"we don't know (yet)\". People hundreds of years ago would have had no idea how planets formed, but today we know how planets form. The lack of the knowledge and understand hundreds or thousands of years ago didn't mean that planets cannot form and have had to be created. They simply didn't know because they were still lacking the scientific discoveries and technical advances we made. For now we don't have an answer yet on many questions, however in the future we might get answers with better technology and better observations.",
"Somebody trying to have a discussion ON A FORUM?! Shocking. ",
"”The earth is flat! Science is a conspiracy”",
">But what about when a flat-earther tells you the photos are fake? Suddenly you're stumped and oh shit, maybe you start questioning whether they might have a point because you don't actually understand how you can prove it from the ground.\n\nAbsolutely. Who to believe?\nhttps://twitter.com/h3h3productions/status/855564091296894976?lang=en",
"Yes it does, check the sign's backside :o ",
"> We've known how heritability works for hundreds of years. \n\nThe existence of genetics does not prove that race is associated with intelligence.\n\n>Yeah, no. Consensus mean shit. Let me tell you a story. There was a dude called Wegener who had the wacky idea that the continents are moving and once formed a single landmass. The conensus was that Wegener was full of shit. Turns out he wasn't.\n\nConsensus as in \"scientifically accepted theory backed up by sufficient data that doubting it is unreasonable without extremely good data\". \"That guy is full of shit\" doesn't qualify (and I expect Wegener had good data as well).\n\nFor that matter, neither does something that happened ninety years ago. Science has only gained rigour over time.",
"Sure. So are death row inmates lives. However, we have a value we impose upon lives. The life of a pre-viability fetus does not have value above the mother.",
"Please learn to read\n\nhttps://www.amazon.com/Bell-Curve-Intelligence-Structure-Paperbacks/dp/0684824299",
"> We still have to state what makes science so useful, what exactly we are trying to do with it, and even point out its weaknesses.\n\nNot in this situation.\n\n> Incidentally, those who argue against science would have replied just as you did.\n\nThat would be fine if they understood the science they are arguing against. Criticism is central to every scientific discipline. If you understand science, you can argue against it. And there are informed arguments both against science as a discipline and every kind of individual scientific study. This is how science works, so it doesn't disturb scientists in the least.\n\nThis sign is merely saying you can't criticise something if you don't understand it, and it's a perfectly reasonable and concise point. \n\n",
"Doesn't seem like you people stopped caring, because you bring it up constantly.",
"I really dont want to make this personal. Because that would divert attention from my point. I work in the field of immunology if you must know.",
"Stock market soaring, record employment, ISIS defeated, NK being told what's what. Hell, basically.",
"Science is based on proven or disproven facts though.",
"Science isn't a thing that is produced. I can't do a chemical reaction and get science and I can't run a model and get science. Science is a systematic study of the universe. You do science, you don't make science. When doing scientific writing, you almost always use the word \"discovered.\" Someone discovered a new chemical or a new equation or a new star. ",
"yep.\n\nP.S. I don't blame you for having a stroke. I really had a stroke coming up with that same argument. Luckily you got it into writing before I did.",
"Maslow’s hierarchy. If people need basic things like affordable living and stable jobs then the immediate value of education is diminished as survival will take priority. In the long term, education is a huge benefit but short term, maybe I can use all those degrees to light a fire to keep warm at night.\nPlease don’t take this to mean I’m saying defund things like the NSF. Those programs need MUCHO MAS funding.",
"One can state that God's characteristics can be described in its entirety even in Bible.",
"Can you grasp the fact that lesbians in the extreme majority didn't grow up with a positive hetero relationship observable in their parents?\n\nBUT BUT ITS NATURE!!!!",
"You really need to spend more time outside if you genuinely think that religious people are literally incapable of logic.",
"There was a period on /r/pics where every top post was something someone had drawn. As it was explained to me many times, it was \"a picture of a drawing\", thus perfectly acceptable. \n\n\"Picture of photoshop/illustrator art\" bugged me though. ",
"Kind of- but it's one sided. It's also not a good argument to support it either.\n\n'i don't understand it so I'll just vote for it and hope they're right' is also no good.",
"Say the people that don’t think a fetus is a human and that there are 60 genders. ",
"Bill NYE partecipated as host in the latest \"Behind Strangers Things 2\" episode I've seen.\n\nI now consider myself knowledgeable on sciences.",
"Someone needs to tweet this to Trump",
"Says the person who doesn't understand how science works. And yes there was a \"hole\" (sort of) in the ozon layer. And we fixed it with the help of science by understanding what caused it. Then we stopped doing that and now its regenerating. Not that hard to understand actually.\n\n",
"Reddit's new direction. They know their audience, and I assume the mods are getting paid now.",
"Can these cliche-ass old photos quit resurfacing? Cringe",
"lemme guess...\"how did we descend from monkeys if monkeys are still around hmmm?\" ...then you smugly adjust your dunce-cap",
"Yeah, but parroting the view you were told to have via a pop science book isn't either. You can be correct and ignorant and this is as unscientific as being incorrect and ignorant.",
"This is a great point for all the lunatics believing in 78 genders",
"But, WWJD?",
"I think it's important to note that \"laypeople\" generally use the term \"theory\" as though it means \"just a wild guess\". A scientific theory has been tested multiple times through experimentation and observation by many different scientists and are, for the most part, peer-reviewed. Those two uses of \"theory\" are quite different.",
">Humans have expressed more than 2 genders all throughout history. It's part of human nature.\n\nNonsense. That's not true at all. Who did you let teach you this?",
"The point here is that a misalignment of sex and gender is possible. Those other scientific researches don't deny that.\n\nEdit: They also admit that gender and sex _are_ different.",
"Why anyone actually gives a shit about what other people want to identify as is beyond me. ",
"That's great news! I'm sure they'll just make a new account but at least they have to start from scratch again or close to it if they decide to buy a moderately karma wealthy account. Especially nice if they were planning to sell the account or sell advertisements in the form of slightly subtle posts. The minor victories definitely count.",
"There are several scientific institutions providing definitions for what a scientific theory is, there is an abundance of literature regarding this topic. For accessibility, I recommend (not to you, but rather any person new to this discussion) the Wikipedia articles on [theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory) and [scientific theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_theory). Citing the *American Association for the Advancement of Science* it reads\n\n>A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not \"guesses\" but reliable accounts of the real world. The theory of biological evolution is more than \"just a theory.\" It is as factual an explanation of the universe as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. Our understanding of gravity is still a work in progress. But the phenomenon of gravity, like evolution, is an accepted fact.\n\nYou're right, string theory should be referred to as hypothesis in the context of quantum gravity and natural science. String theory is a mathematical theory and as such is not subject to the same criteria as for example the theory of evolution or the Big Bang theory. There is an ambiguity here, but that does not make the \"It's just a theory\" argument of any more use, it just takes more sentences to explain, why it is not a valid argument.\n\nI work in theoretical chemistry and my supervisor as well as peer reviewers are very strict about what we refer to as theory, model or method.",
"Let's also distinguish between scientific questions and ideological questions. \n\n\nScientific questions concern facts about the universe. For example: \"How did the universe come into being?\", \"What happens when the magnetic flux through a coil of wire changes?\", and \"How do genetics determine the traits of organisms?\". \n\n\nIdeological questions concern how we approach life. The answers are subjective, but considered to be 'right'. For example: \"What counts as a gender?\", \"How many genders do we recognize?\", \"Can people switch genders?\", \"Should race affect how we treat others?\", \"What economic systems serves society the best?\", and \"Should one's genetics dictate their place in society?\".\n\n\nThe far-right seems to enjoy removing ambiguity from ideological questions by twisting them into scientific questions. Usually, it's pseudoscience, an example being the Nazis' use of quackery to assert the superiority of the so-called Aryan race. Sometimes, actual scientific truths are taken out of context or applied inappropriately. For example, modern racists like to point to statistics to assert that other races are inherently dangerous and/or inferior, disregarding centuries of discrimination and economic hardship.\n\n\nFor people who claim that \"There are only two genders\" based on 'scientific fact', they are inappropriately answering an ideological question. Gender, from a sociological perspective (what counts in this situation) is a construct. It's a way of categorizing general tendencies under unified identities. As a society, we are entirely free to change how we recognize gender. If you would prefer we did not, then that's your opinion. The modern debate surrounds how scientific facts about a person (their chromosomes) should dictate their categorization as one gender or another.\n\n\nPersonally, I believe that a basic right to medical privacy prevents us from using chromosomes as the ultimate deciding factor of gender. If gender describes identity in society, then it must be based on what society should be able to know. Your genetics should not be public knowledge. Also, strict definitions of identity are not beneficial for society. This is my opinion, my answer to an ideological question. You are free to disagree, but a popular ideological belief is that you should not be a dick about it.",
"[lol](http://i.imgur.com/ECAglMU.jpg)",
"None of the things you listed are typically considered science, with the exception of maybe Econ.",
"I'm sure the [American Psychological Association](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psychological_Association) has no idea what they're talking about. They're not, you know, one of the most significant scientific organizations in the world or anything, right?\n\n>The American Psychological Association (APA) is the largest scientific and professional organization of psychologists in the United States, with around 117,500 members including scientists, educators, clinicians, consultants, and students.\n\nOh. Still, I choose to trust the random redditor who literally just says \"no\". Hell, have such a warped view of the scientific method that they preclude most of medical science, they've got to be on to something!",
"But hey everyone it was super cold last week, so obviously global warming doesn’t exist ",
"Whether we define it as an illness or not doesn't change that fact that it's a real thing that humans experience, and you can't just give someone pills to make it go away. Allowing them to live as the gender they feel is the only way to help with what they experience.\n\nNot every trans person gets surgery, but the stats that say it has a negative effect have been disproven anyway.",
"The oppositions argument is implied within the context of the sign, no? At least that’s how I’m perceiving it. \n\nUnless they’re saying that the oppositions argument is derived from a lack of scientific understanding, but they’ve presented it in such a way that the argument in it of itself is that they “Don’t get science, therefore you’re wrong.” In that case, it would be a strawman. I don’t think anyone claims that ignorance is their basis for their position. lol",
"Who is to say the person holding the sign has a grasp on it?",
"Nah, the vast majority of flat earthers are actively rejecting science in favor of a religious belief. ",
"Read the PDF I linked and stop wasting everyone's time.",
"I've yet to hear anyone actually argue against science. Even Creationists believe in the scientific method. Signs like this do nothing but push people further away from actual discourse and closer towards debate by whoever can shout the loudest.",
"'Denier' the language of the Inquisition",
"r/aww \n\ngot those talking points down huh zealot?",
"What about the trans people who had kids before they start their transition?\n\nWhat about the trans people that don't medically transition?\n\nWhat about the trans people who don't have \"the surgery\"?\n\nWhat about trans people who have children through IVF\n\nWhat about the millions of trans people who weren't lucky enough to be able to be able to transition or even acknowledge that they were trans to other people because they lived/live in a less accepting period of time?\n\nTrans people can reproduce and so many can and do. To say that trans people and Non Binary people die off is just so stupid. Also, just because some something isn't genetic that doesn't mean that it hasn't always existed. I really don't see how that could work. For whatever reason, some of us are just born trans and it's been like that forever. Being trans isn't just some new fad or anything. \n\nI'm well aware that being intersex doesn't mean that you're a separate gender, what I'm saying is that intersex people fall outside of a \"traditional\" definition of sex (ie. male and female). What I was asking is, if gender is defined by your ability to procreate then whats your stance on intersex people? \n\nIt seems the main issue here is that you're having trouble differentiating between gender and sex. \n\nAlso fyi, GCS or \"trans operations\" don't typically remove any genitals. I'm not saying they leave people with fully functioning reproductive surgeries but there's no chopping off of genitals. ",
"I will be forced to taunt you some more. ",
"A discussion created from nowhere about nothing at all. But yeah man nice you won dont try replying to start another stupid argument again. Which should be shocking and apparently isnt",
"Just because someone made a computer model it doesn’t make it valid scientific argument.\n\nThere are many ways to fiddle with entry data to,produce models that will line up with results we want.\n\nEvent these “studies” so popular quoted in mass media are not always part of science. There are proper ways to do computer models and studies to be later used as valid. \n\nI know what you are talking about, but please go back to OP image to get in what context is the term science used in this thread.\n\n",
"I guess youre right, i shouldve phrased it as we've stopped valuing your inputs ",
"> A huge chunk of my parents generation wasn't breast fed because science thought that formula was superior. That was the widely held scientific consensus throughout the 60's & 70's. It took decades for doctors and hospitals to change course on that one.\n\nDon't confuse the science with culture. Formula feeding was devised as a way to reduce infant mortality. Society not wanting to see bare boobs and most doctors not being scientists, it wasn't hard for people to push women to feed their babies in a 'more civilized' way. There was also corporate greed at play.\n\nHowever, the lifesaving benefits of formula feeding was real and is still relevant in plenty of cases. Not all mothers begin lactating on time, not all mothers can lactate at all, not all mothers have the time (working from paycheck to paycheck), not all breasts lactate enough, not all breasts can produce milk of the nutritional quality that it should be, the breast can get infected ('spoiling' the milk), and not all mothers (then and now) consume enough nutrients to provide optimal milk. Not to mention, while there are some short term health benefits and a few longterm ones (like a lower risk of asthma), the formula generally doesn't produce worse off children (at least not after you control for parental affluence).\n\nInstead of finding a more sane position on feeding babies, society is just doing the same thing all over again. Only instead of pressuring mothers to use a formula, mothers are now being pressured to breast feed. That means mothers who can't breast feed often feel guilty. *Society can't help itself but tell women what to do, and science has nothing to do with that.*",
"I would argue the liberal idea of “loving your neighbor as you love yourself” is very one sided and only applies to others that agree with their opinions. Many liberals get very aggressive with those that don’t agree with them, albeit many conservatives do too, so that quote from the Bible is less based on political agenda and more on individual morals. \n\nAs far as your second point goes, you are right, my argument provided no evidence as it was backed up only by the assertion that atheism=liberalism, making my argument invalid. However, I do believe there are trends that would support my argument, but it is 4:12 am and I don’t want to do research so I’ll just agree with you on that point. \n\nLastly, I completely agree with your claim that you don’t need to believe in more than two genders to treat someone who has different self identity with respect, yet that statement on its own doesn’t make my assertion flawed. It merely brings up a new point based on a moral claim. \n\nI don’t care what someone wants to believe, as long as it doesn’t affect me, yet I can still make the argument that that someone is stupid for their beliefs. This of course doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to believe it. My problem in the modern day is that many of these people try to force others to conform to their twisted views by shaming them and by even trying to make it illegal to verbalize “hate speech” to someone (and calling a man that turned into a woman a “man”, you are committing hate speech”)",
"South Asian cultures have accepted a third gender for literally thousands of years, for one example.",
"Science is a discipline you engage in, not a political candidate you either support or don't. Thus, I don't think they felt the need to add in parentheses that you can't \"support\" science without understanding it either. They certainly weren't claiming you should agree with science without understanding it. If anything this statement automatically also means that your inability grasp science isn't a valid argument *for* it either. \n\nThe sign one makes one point, and it's a perfectly fair point to make.",
"It's like saying rip in peace\n\nwhoever said that has no idea what he's talking about",
"Yes.",
"It's not that you accept climate change to be real because everyone else does, at least smart people don't. Even if you don't understand the research completely you accept it to be real because there is evidence based on peer-reviewed data gathered and studied by experts and agreed upon to be valid by every other expert in the field. It's not just a matter of hopping on a bandwagon or just blindly appealing to authority. It's a matter of acknowledging expertise and having an understanding of the riggers of peer-reviewed science. ",
"That's true, but to be really honest, that's not the argument they are actually making. They are making arguments that would be valid, _if_ they were what the science were really saying. And it's not that they know what the science is saying, it's that they do not understand what sources they should use to inform themselves, and perhaps more importantly, think that they should accept or reject claims of a scientific value, not on their scientific merit, but rather on what they _perceive_ to be their political consequences. Which is of course, not only a fallacy, but just a perception. Believing in, say, global warming, carries with it no necessary political position. You could, if you wanted, just say well screw it, yes it's real and yes we're causing it but let's party and accept we're all toast in the end. That is valid, scientifically. I would seriously question it on _ethical_ grounds, but it's valid scientifically. I suspect though that at least some would also question it too on ethical grounds, but when they see this they see something else they question on such grounds and deny science as a response. So then, moving to a less stark position, believing in global warming doesn't mean you have to go support \"liberal\" style policies of higher taxation. If you don't believe they are good, then argue why you don't think so, from a _political_ point of view, but at the same time, whatever you propose in their stead, if you still consider yourself to be of conscience, must address the problem of global warming, and you should present what will, and what makes you think it will work. I'm all up for ideas no matter where they come from - but there's got to be a common ground somewhere and imo the most neutral common ground we have is science. Yes you can argue about various biases in science. Some of that is valid. Some of it is not. Some of it is even indeed inevitable given science is still a human endeavour and thus inherits the flaws of human beings. But some form of science, if anything at least the hard and simplest forms of data and the most basic and uncontroversial conclusions, is the best thing we humans have been able to come up with so far that could possibly constitute a neutral common ground. Religion certainly doesn't as there's too many of them for us to agree on. (Though you could say some core principles of religion, nonetheless, form a common ground, like the golden rule, modulo whether or not followers of religion actually practise it.) Nor does politics, or any other such issue over which people are strongly divided. And yet it's the right who complains so much about \"division\".\n",
"somebody is drunk on reddit or he's having trouble with his english",
"The only times I've heard people say such things as a group being \"against science\" are people like the protester in the pic claiming others are \"against science\".",
"Eh... Substitute \"love each other\" for \"strive to be rational and objective\", and we gucci, dawg.\n\n/u/No_Source_Provided said it [best](http://reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pdblv/argument_from_ignorance/dsgml6t)",
"And that would still be a true statement...",
"The user probably meant research for direct profit is done by companies. But even then, the groundwork for that research was probably from academia",
"Your rejection of Jesus won't exempt you from His judgement.",
"You haven't understood a thing I said apparently. \n\nThere are only two genders. Every trans person is also 1 of these 2 genders.",
"Holy crap, look how young they are! They're just babies!",
"My reality is filled with black jack and hookers",
"Yeah that's not how this works.",
"Pssst...Hey kid. You ever tried Sci-hub? It's great",
"Why did you post on a public forum if you just wanted to be left alone?",
"Having faith to feel better is fine.\n\nIt's just when you're a zealot and people have to walk on eggshells to not upset you that it becomes a problem.",
"I think it's fair to say that belief in a higher power could be one of many indicators that somebody is open to outlandish and unlikely concepts. \n\nYou can definitely be a great and intelligent person while believing in God, but you certainly couldn't claim to be an *entirely* rational or realistic person. Nobody who holds a belief based on faith and without evidence is being entirely rational, regardless of what the belief is... And to truly believe in God requires an absolutely staggering level of suspension of disbelief. ",
"Protesting against *anyone* with a sign like this isn't going to change their mind.",
"how do you convince a president about that ?",
"Are you retarded or are you on drugs",
"What do you suppose the location and purpose of this sign was? A discussion of science or a rally about a politicised issue? Do you think they are trying to teach people, or are they going into a crowd of people who already agree with them and are making the point that their view point makes the smarter than the other?\n",
"I always have trouble with soldier. I typed it wrong that time too but autocorrect saved me",
"Misinterpret? Definition of these words are petty semantics. We should be focused on what those authors meant rather than on what words they used. Simple.",
"Does it actually mention him though? Trump is a real word as well, this is the quote from the definition in Google (not my opinion on the matter); \"if the fetus is human life, that trumps any argument about the freedom of the mother\".",
"I love you. ",
"Like I said I'm most definitely reading too much into it, but in theory someone could be questioning methods and scientific theory. \nAt least this is my theory of what OP meant. Meta.",
"Oh, excuse me, what I meant to say was HOPE CHANGE HER TURN.",
"> in its entirety\n\nThat means that either God isn't incomprehensible or humans are omniscient. And if that's the case, then is He any better than us?\n\nBy nature, God is omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, and incomprehensible. ",
"To convince those from other camps, this sign is trash. To farm karma on Reddit on the other hand...",
"*restaur-ant*\n\nSleeping dinosaurs and ants!",
"Wow, my assumption that you were a dense moron was correct, and now it seems as though you are trying to smear me by spreading lies. How professional, I’m glad I refused to make a rebuttal against someone that uses argumentum ad hominem ",
"There can't be a third gender. Either they have XX (female) or XY(male) chromosomes.",
"I just checked and holy shit he has so much karma, 1.7 million post karma, you simply can't do that if you are a normal person.",
"Maybe someone should send this to google so they give that guy his job back",
"I don’t like it when people associate religious people with bad logic. There are the more misguided people who legitimately believe that God is all they need and anything else is the work of the devil. There are definitely people who pray, but don’t jus leave it at that. When my mother’s friend was sick, mum prayed, sure, and she paid my priest brother to say masses for her, but she would visit, she would make food for their family, helped them clean and advised the family of a hospital that specialised in quality of life for people who were going to die.",
"Are you arguing against valodity or soundness?",
"That's the thing though, belief is all but useless to society. It's nice as a personal thing, but at the end of the day belief is what we use in the absence of facts. When it comes to important decisions there is almost always no good reason to seek out and find the facts, and in modern society this is often so easy there is no excuse not to.",
"you made it sound like it's mandatory rather than an encouragement of interest.",
"Someone could make that same argument for the belief in God. ",
"> btw I think the slack jawed creationist republican voter is largely a straw man, there aren't a significant amount of people who reject science outright\n\nYou are right about this. I saw an article that showed that the more educated a conservative person was, the less likely they were to agree with the consensus on climate change.\n\nBlaming ignorance is overly simplistic.\n\n[Article](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/11/14/upshot/climate-change-by-education.html)",
"It's not. If it can be changed by new information, then it's not absolute. If it were absolute, there would be no new information in the first place.",
"Christ, I butchered it too! Had to reference the autocorrected suggestions as I typed it LOL",
"> The existence of genetics does not prove that race is associated with intelligence.\n\nTrue. That would be every study done one that subject, ever.\n\n>and I expect Wegener had good data as well\n\n\"The continents look like they'd fit together well and the coast of South America is similar to the coast of Africa\"\n\nWegener didn't even have a mechanism.\n",
"It's not a 50-50 though and everyone believes things they don't fully understand. I believe in black holes but if you asked me about my understanding of how it works then you'd get silence.",
"What's the problem you see with this though?",
"> No one claims that.\n\nPlenty do. You'll be surprised.",
"And it's not just for their benefit, or not. Especially when it comes to Internet discussions. You can call your opponent idiot in lieu of providing a reasoned argument. I try not to. Either I try to make an argument, or if I can't, I go research more. Thus I learn more, maybe modify my own view. That definitely keeps you more honest and reasonable. But not only does it not help the opponent, and whether or not it hurts their feelings will depend on them, and furthermore why do you want to do that, but far more importantly, it creates an atmosphere that will reverberate onto thousands and thousands of people who you don't know and never see and may never will - all the countless lurkers and passers-by who read your debates. Including many silent fence-sitters who may be ignorant yet whose minds still may be open. They may have some of the same questions or be sympathetic to the views of the one called idiot, yet nonetheless not be committed and still be open to the possibility of being wrong. When they see that sie was called idiot, they will be scared or discouraged from coming to ask questions out of fear of the same ridicule. And then what hath you done? You set yourself up as a champion of learning, in the face of ignorance, yet then you scare away those who seek knowledge, to flee even into the refuge of ignorance. What a counterproductive action that is indeed to your cause! I am sorry, but it cannot be tolerated. Much better than that must be done. Yes, it's more work. But it's good practice for you. Also, if you don't have the time, maybe you should not involve in the debate, and find things more effective than doing so, or posting on fora of some sort on the interwebs to give voice to your positions.\n\nAlthough of course, this is about a protest sign, not an internet forum, but I saw the analogy. Nonetheless, even in this case, your sign would be more effective if you gave a better argument like at least, perhaps, \"arguments made about science without understanding science are not valid arguments\". That would be more reasonable, I'd think. And a simple one liner. Not so much of a fallacy (though maybe in this extreme a form it still technically is since a stopped clock can still be right twice a day but it's more often right so not as much of one.).",
"> Whether we define it as an illness or not doesn't change that fact that it's a real thing that humans experience\n\nCorrect. They're mentally ill, not a separate gender. But instead of telling them that, you're trying to tell me they're a separate gender.",
"Neither. You seem incredibly defensive, which is fair enough, it's just strange that you'd make the effort to post publicly and then refuse to explain and discuss. \n\nIf you didn't want to that's cool, you don't have to, but you can't be shocked when someone replies and tell them to fuck off. That makes no sense.\n",
"Nature is God. That means God is (your wording here) by God. We are part of God. And science itself IS a part of God (namely Nature).",
"Uh a sperm cell only has 23 chromosomes making it not a human at that point. It needs the egg to become a human. Smh",
"> How is climate change the basic laws that govern physics?\n\nwow...\n\nintelligence of your avg trumplet on glaring display here.\n\n*ffs...this kid actually thinks he made a good point here...smh*",
"That's what I addressed in my first comment. Nobody denies these chromosomes. A trans person is perfectly aware of their own physical body.\nBut while gender can mean physical sex, it can also mean gender identity, which is a separate concept that just happens to use the same word.",
"okay, obviously i'd promote a general knowledge of the basics of science, as with every common topic there is, but i mostly try to discourage the view of \"only stem is worth studying, everyone should be a scientist or an engineer.\"",
"All good, yeah it was there lol. Though I think the whole discussion is insanely invalid because both sides are for some reason equating a collection of emotional traits with a gender which is retarded. This is basically where we get the \"gender is a spectrum\" idea. Emotion and behavior, and thus personality, are on a spectrum and for some reason people think this means gender is on a spectrum because they think gender is a behavior. This is one section of the debate. And it often gets confused or melted into the other section of the debate which is quite different.\n\nThere is a thing called gender dysphoria where a person feels that they are not their biological gender. This person is called trans. *Both* sides consider this an illness that can be allievated through different therapies (given moral parameters of consent and age of administration of such therapies).\n\nThe different problems that arise from this discussion are when people kind of mix up the two. They think that a person having an emotional expression (which they misrepresent by calling it a \"gender\") that is different than their physical expression (which the term gender has popularly meant up until about 2010) is trans, when they aren't. They just have a different emotional expression than other people (see? Gender has literally nothing to do with it). A trans person, as said in the second paragraph, is beyond this kind spectrum of emotion and has gender dysphoria, a totally different thing.",
"_Did you mean:_ Only 1/2 term?",
"I'm not religious, but you try to appeal - ask em \"WWJD?\" He'd be humble, and seek to understand what he doesn't know, that's what. Insert relevant deity as necessary. *...Except Odin or Zeus, they'd just flip the table and smoke the whole room 🙃*",
"Difference: grass isn't made of human cells",
"\"The best thing to do is go into denial until the very fabric of reality spontaneously changes, because God knows that's more likely to happen than you admitting fault.\" - Yahtzee",
"It's funny that Americans, who are usually all about freedom, deny people this choice. How does this even hurt you in any way? Is it a religious thing? I'm just trying to understand. What the hell is your problem?",
"Shes holding it to make herself feel good, like any sign. Makes her feel heard and clever.",
"Can you prove god doesn’t exist? Can you prove he does?",
"cue a one sentence trolling response...\n\nor just crickets as he tucks his tail and sulks away",
"cant tell if this is an anti nonbinary sign or a pro climate change sign",
"I guess that could make sense but seeing that binary is a very... uh... binary... term I don't think it's quite right.\n\nAs in, binary means a or b. So a binary with exceptions isn't really a binary? It's more like a spectrum but most people tend to fit in/around one or two places where others can be anywhere inbetween. \n\nI'm no linguist though and you might be (given your username) so...",
"> That would be every study done one that subject, ever.\n\nAnd by saying that, you hope to leave the implication that they all agree with you.\n\n>Wegener didn't even have a mechanism\n\nThen it wasn't very good science and he was lucky he was right.",
"You’re the type of kid who reminds the teacher to collect homework when they forget, aren’t you 🙄",
"Yes, controversies exist. Doesn't mean plugging your ears is the answer. Which was the parent comment's point, btw.",
"That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. Are you kidding? You must be. I’m gonna assume you are. Because hitler, Stalin, and mao(all non religious and not fighting WW2 for religious reasons) combined for more deaths in 5 years than all of the religious wars of history. But nice try. Please be joking ",
"Do you know what theory means in a scientific context? \n\nTake, for example, Newton's 'theory' of gravity - we still call it a theory, right? And professors still teach it as a scientific theory, right? But why? Its been proven incomplete and inaccurate. \n\nThe problem with the term \"theory\" is that its different in scientific context than in laymens terms, and even in scientific contexts its not always clear just how accurate or accepted it is, if its been previously refuted, or if its even been tested. Newton's theory was accepted for centuries before it was found to be incomplete. Theory doesnt mean Truth. Even our most accepted theories can be proven wrong. ",
"Not everyone has time to know about everything. There are whole countries I don't know about but that doesn't make them exist any less. I read a few articles here and there but I don't know how magnetism works but I trust scientists when they tell me they do.",
"Nah, they're trying to redefine the word gender for whatever reason. They already did it with the word marriage.",
"Can you prove hogwartz dosen't exist?\n\n",
"Says the person who believes in 42 genders...",
"Why do the studies use people's feeling as evidence?",
">**social** conservatives fear science and embrace ignorance\n\nSaying conservatives could mean fiscal as well",
"This sign does not validate your personal beliefs.",
"Most of these protests are just feelgood kneejerk reactions from people seeking affirmation for their own beliefs anyway. Regardless of whether your stance and cause is just, if you take a step back to consider the effectiveness of these kinds of gatherings you realize nothing ever comes to fruition because everybody's pretty much already picked a side and dug down.\n\nSomeone anti-science (whoever the hell that is) is as likely to be convinced or even remotely affected by this as Westboro Baptist Church's protests are likely to convince anyone that god hates fags. It's all just people yelling their opinions and hoping enough like-minded folk applaud and nod their heads.",
"There has to be a line though. When a family member says they wish all the millions of people in Iraq dies just to kill a few fucking terrorists than can they really be reasoned with? ",
"That's quite the sentence.",
"You don't honest expect me to take you seriously when you insist on arguing out of ignorance, do you? Refusing to read such a highly sourced, well written, and reputable source precludes you from being taken seriously.",
"Well that's a different discussion. Would your views be any different if the concept behind gender identity used a made-up word, and 'gender' was left to only mean sex?",
"Other things made of 'human cells' get flushed, mopped up and scrunched up in tissues every moment of the day. The point being conception is a cluster of cells and not a person.",
"Well to have a *strong* argument against Scientology or any religion does need an understanding around it. Otherwise you'll be making strawman fallacies all day.",
"I completely agree that conservatives do the exact same thing. And while you mention that some conservatives boycott things that relate to the first amendment, it can also be said that a size able portion of liberals want to completely abolish the first amendment and put in hate speech laws. This is already being displayed in many private schools and Canada (a very liberal country) has these laws in place as well. And my point that the Bible can’t be used in argument was that it couldn’t be used *effectively* in arguments. So anyone that did use the Bible in arguments, essentially invalidated their argument. Both sides argue with emotion, I just believe that the left tends to use emotion as their argument basis more often.",
"I may be about to out myself as an idiot here, but... isn't there a difference between science and all those things? An understanding of those other things can be subjective, whereas science (or at least the scientific method) strives to be objective, and it is possible to objectively assess someone's understanding of it. ",
"Possibly.\n\nBut even then, let's say it's called groma. groma doesn't exist.",
"Oh dam wait, let me congratulate you on knowing how to use Imgur, but sadly if you weren't aware I can see my own post history. Was this suppose to be your ace in the hole?\nYou got me :(",
"Rebuttal: Science Is not governed. By consensus, it's governed by truth.",
"Bit hard innit for everything to be objectively talked about ",
"What about other science that disproves that science? What the hell is \"science\" exactly? There are millions of theories out there that say different things. Some are common sense and should be accepted as the truth. Some are bullshit that nobody bothered to disprove. And some are bullshit that people conveniently use to credit their political or ethnical beliefs.\n\nThere is no solid \"science\" entity. When you say something is A because some study says so and anyone that disagrees with you is fighting against \"science\", you are exactly the thing that science isn't. Doubt, rational thinking, and careful consideration. \n\nThere are tons of studies out there done by some alcoholic undergrad with a sample size of 12 people that are taken as gospel by people on reddit. This isn't how science work, and this \"science\" circle jerk does nothing but hurt real science. When you put evolution and nuclear phsyics on the same level as .. there's no point writing this out really, i'm just pissing in the wind aren't I? fuck you reddit, you hurt everything you love because you're a piece of shit. A self-righteous pompous arrogant piece of shit that's wrong about everything because you take everything to childish extremes.",
"Stop signs are red. Kickballs in elementary school are red, and balls roll, therefore I believe that a stop sign is telling me to make a rolling stop. Checkmate, officer.",
"4chan would like to have a word with you",
"How do Christian know what parts of the bible to follow, and which parts to ignore? \n\nMatthew (27:52-53) \"The graves were opened; and MANY bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto MANY.\" \n\nHello historians! How'd you miss that? Zombies. Roaming around. Seen by MANY!!\n\nNot a fucking peep about it anywhere but Matthew.\n\nSeems legit.\n\nJesus is a myth like Robin Hood, and King Arthur.\n\n\n",
" > or are they going into a crowd of people who already agree with them and are making the point that their view point makes the smarter than the other?\n\nThat's really rather presumptuous of you.\n\nI'm not speculating on the personalities or behind the scenes motives. There's no basis on which to speculate.\n\nThe sign makes a fair point either way though. Even if the person holding it up just wants other people to feel intellectually inferior, that still doesn't change the fact that an inability to grasp science indeed isn't a valid argument against it. \n\nAnd if we're talking about people who call climate change a hoax because they don't understand it, then we are talking about people who are quite literally stupid after all. ",
"That’s not a problem, that’s the point. Dismissing anything without understanding it is undesirable. Science is a methodology to create understanding: idealistically, it doesn’t dismiss anything out of hand.",
"lol\n\ncalled it that you were a zealot...sigh...you lil angry incels are tiresomely predictable.\n\ntroll is blocked. toddle off to your tendies :)",
"Sure, I see what you mean .. it's like a colour spectrum, isn't it? The point at which blue turns into purple isn't neatly delineated. That isn't to say that blue and purple don't exist as separate colours, though, and it doesn't mean we can't all come to a consensus that green is green and yellow is yellow and orange is orange.",
"> There are many ways to fiddle with entry data to,produce models that will line up with results we want.\n\nThat's what you call peer-reviewing. A scientist gives their paper to the journal publisher, and that publisher then sends it out to random people in that field, or similar fields, to review. If the methodology doesn't make sense or isn't explained or doesn't add up, then it's rejected. Even once it is published in a journal, a paper can be disputed.\n\nSo ~98% of actively publishing environmental scientists, earth scientists, atmospheric chemists, etc. have data showing that humans are the leading cause of climate change. Do you believe that all of these scientists belong to a cult and all work to prove the others right? Occam's razor.\n\nUnless you have actual proof that data is being fudged to fit a narrative, all you're left with is denial of fact. (Btw, a dude that use to work for NASA 20 years ago posting on Facebook saying that climate change is a hoax is not proof that there is a systematic fudging of data).",
"No-one can be an expert on everything. At some point you have to trust people and decide to believe them. It's also not a 50-50 chance of being right. The two sides are not equal. One side has people who you can be reasonably certain have applied scientific method and have studied the subject in which they are talking about. The other side has people who say it looks silly but they've not really checked, they're just pretty sure they're right because they want to be. Of course, I would love to have time to be an expert in everything but sometime I just have to take the word of a credible source.",
"It's 50-50 until you gain some level of understanding.\n\nI don't believe that it's 50-50 because I have looked into the research and come to my own conclusions that change those odds. \n\nWhen it comes to Astro physics it's more of a 'something we call this does this.' I can present research that shows the effect and I can say that effect is caused by what we call black holes and with the knowledge of what we know of gravity etc...\n\nI mean, nothing is absolutely certain, but the information is out there to read and try to understand. \n\nIt's like the pictures of ice glaciers getting smaller and sad polar bears- sure something is happening, and I think everyone at this stage knows it's something, it's just the causes that are up for question- and in there lies a valid political debate about what difference and impact as a species we can make. \n\nPersonally I think we can make a difference and that green energy is the right way to go... But is it possible we are just going through a hotter phase of Earth's life regardless of our actions? Maybe, but recent acceleration and research that's been done recently is more in support that human activity is making a big difference and that changes my opinion on what I believe. I can't say more than that, but that's what would sway my vote and i believe I've given it the attention and research the issue deserves from a layman.",
"They're both ignorant, as other poster here says, but the former one may be less open to changing their beliefs or seeking out flaws in their understanding. But at the same time, if you don't believe you can also not disbelieve either, that is, remain agnostic and hold no position except \"I don't know / I am not qualified to form a decent and informed opinion on this topic\". That's the alternative to the 50-50 - not flip the coin at all. Yet if they don't understand and not only don't believe but actually _disbelieve_, that is, believe what they do not understand must be wrong or false, then yes, in fact that is equal to the one who believes it is right or true without understanding it. Both are equally mismatched.\n\nIt is, of course, better to do research. But we can't research and learn about literally every topic under the sun. There is not enough time in our human lifetimes to do so, not enough neuronal space in our brains to hold it all, and above all else, we have to do other things with our lives too. Thus for many, perhaps even most things, we will have to choose the fourth option which is to be agnostic, and not form any opinions whatsoever, and be humble and put forth \"I do not know, I am not well-versed in this to be qualified to form a reasonable opinion.\". We shouldn't do that for everything of course at least insofar as we are supposed to vote at the voting box and need to make decisions involving things weighed upon by science in our daily lives, but for a great many things outside of our experience, it is the only choice. I cannot form an opinion on whether or not some highly experimental drug should be considered a viable treatment for whatever, say Lou Gehrig's disease, because I am not a medical doctor or medical researcher, much less one specialized in that particular area. Unless I am to be involved in deciding if people are going to get it in a very specific sense related to exactly that particular drug, I would not need to. On the other hand, to support that for the people who _do_ have the relevant expertise, whatever they come up with, people should be able to get, and for that I would say I would support policy that gives people greater access to the fruits of such research and that better implements whatever their recommendations are, like a sane universal health care system.",
"Which is proof that signs are overwhelmingly useless. The only time they ever work are the rare occasions when \"rallying your own side\" turns into actual concrete steps, like if the entire town got together and protested the town mayor into implementing some policy change.\n\nBut how often does that happen? Most of the time it's people out protesting their religious, cultural, socio-political, everything else in between beliefs. The like-minded folk applaud and post to Reddit, the folk in opposition start their own rallies and post to Reddit, everyone else moves on. Then everyone goes home at the end of the day with 0 accomplished.\n\nSo be it rallying your own side or convincing the other side, the net effect is still pretty much nothing, meaning the distinction is negligible to say the least.",
"So... gender is literally meaningless then? If it's social, then it literally has no meaning. The point is you can \"identify\" as \"pastagender\" but at the end of the day you're still either going to have to use the male or female bathroom. One has urinals, one doesn't. It isn't oppression folks.",
"Modern activism is basically just physical Facebook, it's shitposting on the street. Neither side really is interested in convincing the other or being convinced. For instance I would imagine this same woman who doubtlessly believes in the importance of facts and reason believes that 57% of total US spending goes to the military, when the reality is that only [16% of total US spending goes to the military](https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/total_spending_pie%2C__2015_enacted.png).\n\nWould she be capable of hearing that and then accepting it? I tried with some family members and showed them the data as well as explaining discretionary vs mandatory spending and they literally just foamed at the mouth and thought I was being brainwashed for actually listening to conservatives.",
"Why can’t Psychology be with the cool sciences kids? :(",
"The idea that liberalism=progressivism is very a very flawed form of selfish individualism ",
"How else would you measure how someone feels..?\n\nedit: Do you suppose an EEG can ... detect political affiliation? Religion? Your name? We gather all this via self report, as we do almost everything to do with psychology. This is all just distracting from the issue. Attacking the fundamentals of science so as to attempt to discredit any science you aren't happy with *is science denial*, and that's exactly what concern trolls like this one are doing.",
"Young Earth Creationists believe the Earth is 6,000 years old. They don't believe facts are true.",
"Don't act like you didn't just edit this in, asshole. ",
"You two are arguing semantics when it comes to the empirical evidence that surrounds a subject like oxygen. The scientific community deals with a vast amount of subjects that hold far less water and deserve questioning. This is where the semantics argument around “proof” “proved” and so on comes into play. It’s true you shouldn’t use the word with most subjects but when you come up against one with the empirical evidence that oxygen has? It may as well be proven. It’s about 99.9% of the way there already. This little spat is kinda sad. And IMO I feel the semantics need to be changed. When people relentlessly question science we end up with things like 245 genders and flat earth conspiracy’s.",
"Y AAA",
"Of course you could replace the word, though why you think that changes anything is beyond me. Since when, in any context, is a lack of understanding a good argument against whatever you're arguing over? Yes, in fact, the quote \"Your inability to grasp Scientology is not a valid argument against it\" IS a truthful statement just as is the same quote but scientology replaced with science",
"Your inability to grasp this cup handle is not a valid argument against opposable thumbs",
"This is what I agree with. The level of arrogance it takes to literally read a Facebook article and find yourself more knowledgeable than someone who has devoted their careers to a science is unbelievable to me. ",
"Because people are stubborn, yes. Hmm. How would an opposition stance debate against scientific facts?",
"But my argument is that signs like these only create divide and don't promote healthy conversation between opposing groups of opinion.\n\nThe fact that I personally agree with the sign does not make it a helpful or worthwhile sign. It's divisive and harmful and does not help anyone get closer to the right answers.\n",
"/r/cringe",
"Where the hell does it say that?",
"Social does not equal meaningless. Why would you think that?\n\nMoney is a social construct, countries are social constructs, language is a social construct. Social constructs are pretty powerful things. But fundamentally, they're still social constructs.",
"How about there are only 2 genders ? ",
"I believe that's a really important part of this. If groma was a word then I think people would be less resistant to the whole idea. Not to say they would accept it, but that's one big point of conflict that would be taken away.\n\nThe fact is that historically there have been people in many cultures that don't think they belong in the body they have, and some of these cultures created social roles for these people. You can ignore the sex/gender debate and hopefully see that this phenomenon (illness or not) is a real thing that humans experience.\n\n",
"How did I do that? It's certainly not my intention.",
"It may be dishonest to suggest that people don’t accept the “scientific” perspective because they are too dumb to understand it but to reject it ideologically doesn’t make sense either because science isn’t an ideology, it’s a systematic approach to generating information and they’re simply choosing to ignore what has been shown to be true, on the basis of [??????]",
"I could accept it if groma was the name of the mental illness",
"/r/pics mods:\n\n\"Hm, we'll let it pass. But **not** because we're lazy. We repeat, **not** because we don't want to make effort setting more concrete parameters for this sub and enforcing them. How dare you. It's because we are champions of *F R E E S P E E C H* and this is our way of **deliberately and with great forethought** fighting the power.\"\n\n*cue US Anthem*",
"Reposted every few months.",
"No, apparently I haven't and at this point it's not even worth arguing. \n\nThere aren't only two genders and I can find one million and one reliable sources that will back that up but you're not going to listen for some reason so I can't be fucked arguing. \n\nAt this point it's pretty clear to me that you're using your inability to grasp science as a way to argue against it. \n\nFuck, talk about meta...",
"Do.. do those become humans? If so we might have a problem on our hands",
"Whats your point, even if that is true? I'd bet most people dont.",
"Neither is hers. ",
"God made everything, God is not everything. If God was everything, that means that an elephant has more God than a human, which means that an elephant is more holy than a human. Also, Genesis specifically said that He made stuff, he didn't make himself into stuff.\n\nFun fact, this point (whether God is in everything or around everything, also called Pantheism) was an extremely volatile subject that early bishops argued.",
"Very true. And as is pointed out by some, \"science\" is a method of investigation, not a set of rules or beliefs. Scientific conclusions are often wrong even when so much evidence seems to suggest they are right, often due to misinterpretation of data or lack of data.\n\nIt would be great if you could say something is the way it is \"because science\" (and many people do), but the reality is that just isn't how it works.",
"Okay",
"Stop discriminating elephants!",
"r/titlegore ?",
"Money is also meaningless, and countries and languages can change as well. What doesn't change? You either have a Y chromosome or you don't. 2 + 2 = 4. Anything you drop will fall.",
"The back says, \"evidence trumps opinion\"",
"It is dangerous to think of science as an absolute entity, and more dangerous to discourage those who question its validity, for the backbone of science are the questions that ignorance inspires.",
"Science isn't about proving. It's about various degrees of confirming theories.",
"[ 2nd Amendment ]",
"You do realize you still haven’t answered my extremely easy question?\n\nDo you think oxygen is an element that has been proven by science? \n\nA yes or no will do. ",
"With a raised voice I’d say",
"Now that's a good sign.",
"Oh right, the missing link. The missing link is your education.",
"That is for the experts to debate don't you think? If someone educates themselves up to a level to understand the field and become an expert to refute is what I am talking about as an acceptable level. But the average punter... that makes no sense.",
"Create divide between who?\n\nI don't think your reading of the situation is very realistic. Anyone offended by this sign is already on the other side of a massive divide, and there's no reason to expect a conversation with them could be healthy.",
"[Four statements on race-\n UNESCO](http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0012/001229/122962eo.pdf)\n\nThis is pretty definitive tbh. The last was in 1967, 50 years ago almost exactly.",
"Yep. The same is about to happen to Ancel Keys.",
">You either have a Y chromosome or you don't.\n\nThat is sex, not gender. (Also, technically there's some weirdness with intersex, but that's not relevant to the discussion).\n\nBut anyway, sure social conventions can change. That's the entire point. And if social conventions can change, then the idea of their only being 2 genders is meaningless, because it's a social concept. \n",
"Is it referred to science, or does it include PSAIW (pseudo-science as an ideological weapon)?",
"Never, you're already dead",
"There are two problems here.\n\nFirstly, the two distinctions you're talking about are of different ages. 'Theory' as a coherent model of how things work is a far older usage than 'gender' as a social construct. Given that defining 'gender' as a social construct only goes back to the early 1960s, it's not a good idea to even call it the 'formal definition'. That was my point. It's simply a word used that way in certain academic contexts. This redefinition may stick, it may not. But, it's far too new to simply expect people know better.\n\nAnd, the second problem is the formal vs casual distinction. A scientific 'theory' refers to a concrete thing. The 'theory' in 'theory of gravity' is a very different thing from that in 'my theory on why Bob does X'. We can say which definition is proper based on the context. This is not the case with 'gender', as both the common meaning and the academic usage refer to the same humans. If someone calls a hypothesis a theory or says evolution is false because it's 'just a theory', we can tell them they're using the wrong definition (and therefor referring to a completely different concept). If I say 'that is a man/male' or 'that is a woman/female', there's no way to tell if I'm talking about gender roles or biology unless I'm writing in an academic paper. In conversion, there's no clear distinction. It becomes nothing more than a semantic bat to hit people over the head with.\n\nAs I said before, using 'gender' to only refer to the social component is fine, but such a usage needs to be announced (and not asserted as the proper definition).",
"I know there’s 2 u’s 2 a’s and an e I just completely flub the order of them every single time lol",
"Then by that deeply flawed logic, if *murder* is murder then so is mowing the lawn. \nNo, it turns out that killing blades of grass won't get you thrown in jail. Taking a human life will. Because, at least within the human species, human life is valued. Which is precisely why many of us also find it terrible when somebody shoves a tool into the womb, scrambles a baby's brains, and then vacuums it out and tosses it into a trash can. \n Life is valuable. Life is worth living. I'm sorry you don't feel that way. ",
"Great argumentative method! Just insult the person’s intelligence and you automatically win!! /s",
"Charging too much is a completely different issue from paywalling (from charging at all).",
"For us lazy people, can someone tl;dr?",
"In the specific case of climate change, I agree with you. But the value of peer reviewed studies and research has not always done us favors if people don't want to look further into it.\n\nThe war on fat in foods is a good example of why you can't always trust majority science- the entire country ate it up as the solution and to this day foods advertise themselves as 'fat free' in a bid to trick people onto think they're eating healthy foods.\n\nNow people are starting to understand more about nutrition and to avoid the more dangerous aspects of the obesity issue, but it was the sugar companies that scapegoated fat as the biggest offender and it was those funded peer reviewed studies that made obesity such a continued issue in today's society.\n\nBasically, there are good reasons that people don't trust things they don't understand, and agreeing or disagreeing vehemently on either side is a bad idea if you don't have a full understanding of it.",
"therefore you cannot prove god exist. Thank you.",
"The Liberal's inability to discern fake science from real science makes them the most pitiable of all demographics. They are so thoroughly and easily manipulated that they even go so far as to march in protests denouncing anyone who does not believe the lies. Liberalism is a disease. ",
"I use rest-au-rant \"Rest aw, rant\" I know the 'au' is in there somewhere, that tells me where. Now if I could only remember how to spell marraige correctly....I get it wrong every time. ",
"I’d say that the person agnostic to things they don’t know about is not ignorant.\n\nTbh, people who believe in things like climate change without being able to actually explain or reason why it is important, are not better than religious people who don’t accept vaccine ",
"There you go. \"Sex\" is actually something that matters. Gender doesn't matter. If you have a dick you can use the urinals, if you don't you have to use the stalls. If you're female you can give birth, if you're male you obviously can't. If you're pastagender vs lettucegender? It literally doesn't matter! Damn.",
"By modern day science, yes. ",
"Remember: winners don't do drugs. Except steroids, in which case use lots of drugs!",
"Myths are important stories that guide human cultures. As general human understanding is deepened, the old myths become more and more symbolic. Ridiculing a story from two-thousand years ago is like making fun of the Ancient Greeks for not having electricity.\n\nObviously there are people who take these stories both too seriously and too literally, and choose to map their beliefs onto them, but is you doing the same thing but mapping your beliefs directly against them really any more intellectually productive?",
"Preach it from the mountain tops!",
"http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1600-0447.2003.00243.x/abstract\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1130142/\n\nhttp://nr.ucpress.edu/content/16/3/7\n\nThese people do exist.",
"And your fazzer smelt of ELDERBERRIES!",
"Im saying go for for it , be whatever gender you want, but for practical purposes classification will move from gender to sex.",
"Your inability to prove science is not a valid reason to blindly believe it.",
"Coconuts are tropical, this is a temperate zone",
"It's pretty effective if she wants to make the pretentious people around her chuckle.\n\nNobody in a thousand yards disagrees with her opinion. This is from that March to Science from way back in April.",
"These are the same people that have no solutions other than destroying 4 trillion dollars of the us economy ",
"Yeah, but then you have politicians like Al Gore tweet how the cold and snow experienced on the east coast is because of global warming...then we cringe.\n\nEmotions cause failure to think.",
"REEEEE Christians!! REEEEE Conservatives!! REEEEEE Capitalism,!! Why can you people just give it a break, you say you follow the path of science yet you clearly don’t know basic biology if you think there are more than two genders, in not a bigot, I use facts, and last time I checked my facts don’t care about your feelings ",
"That’s like trying to explain how more social justice government handout programs would cost more money in the form of more taxes - ‘blank stare’ from majority of the youth who have no idea how to balance checkbooks and have no idea how keep enough $ in saving for emergencies and have no idea how to hold jobs for more than months at a time",
"> to discern fake science from real science makes \n\nAt least in that case there is chance that some of it is true, compared to religion where all of it is BS",
"Can anyone guess whats written on the other side of the board",
"You don't. For all we know, their feelings were wrong",
"They need to have a neater catch phrase than that, it asks people to think what it means.",
"The pics of the young lawyers all flocking to airports to help people at that time were cool though.",
"So you’re suggesting there’s room for oxygen to be proven as something different? I think the empirical evidence surrounding the subject would show about .1% of a chance that’s going to happen. Now do I belive all subjects in science are equal? No. Do I belive many things in science deserve to be questioned? Yes. But things like dinosaurs, gravity and oxygen may as well be said to be proven facts. When you start questioning evidence surrounding such well researched subjects you end up with crazy shit like flat earthers.",
"A divide between people who are sceptical of research with a possible agenda.\n\nThose people absolutely should do their research, but having this at the front page of Reddit from the context of this clearly being a sign at some form of political protest just hammers home the 'We think people who don't agree with us are stupid' mentality.\n\nIt's a circle jerk with no room for people to discuss the real issues at hand. So many people are saying 'well people who don't believe in climate change ARE stupid' but the argument is never about if the climate is changing, it's about what is causing it to change and within there, there is room for genuine discussion.",
"Rings true now more than ever",
"Yep, some people capitalise in this. I'm not sure whether to include climate science in this, because in terms of empiricism and provable hypothesis I put it in between the hard sciences and the soft social sciences. People use the \"it's science\" argument to promote politically driven things, and lots of ignorant people fall for it. Not everything is settled, especially in the social sciences. Gender is a good example, or anything do to with psychology. Scientific consensus in these fields is heavily influenced by culture and the time period. ",
"Clearly that doesn’t work, the suicide rate of these so called “trans-genders” is the wam after surgery as it is before, which clearly points towers there being some kind of mental and phycological issue being present.",
"Amen!",
"Gender absolutely does matter, as it has severe consequences for the mental health of people involved. Forcing someone into a gender role that doesn't fit with their gender identity causes severe distress and gender dysphoria, with depression and suicide and all that.\n\nWorking with a pure sex-based system, or even worse, as sex-at-birth system, merely causes issues on both sides.",
"Indeed. It's also such a conversation stopper, like how will you ever convince someone if you talk down to them like that.",
"What about the anti abortion dead baby signs? I bet some teens stopped having promiscuous unprotected sex after a little reality was thrown into their eyeballs.",
"your fabricated science based on what ifs and wild notions full of guesses is no argument for reality and historical events.\n\n ",
"I don't disagree. I was referring to the the relevance of science to everything we do and how people often do not realize or appreciate that. Not so much on getting everyone to be a physicist. If you look at the comments I responded to you see what I'm trying to get at.",
"Looking at the front page of the sub suggests otherwise.",
"Someone tell me what it says on the back im not bothered to try even that little amount of effort ",
"Everyone here seems to be missing the actual point of a sign, a sign is meant for visibility, it makes your rally or protest larger, more visible, and in someone's face. That leads to media coverage and more people of your kind joining your side to make your group larger. Secondly it makes it easy for someone afar or on tv/photos to notice what a protests objective is in a quick 15 second glance which is what someone's general initial investment of attention will be. Overall I think it's obnoxious and annoying but I guess that's the point. ",
"Untrue. Science is a method if investigation. There is no such thing as a \"scientific fact\". Only theories that have yet to be disproven. \n\nEven if 99.99999999999% of all evidence in the Universe says it's right, only one tiny thing can say it's wrong and the whole thing is thrown out.\nScience is proven wrong with new science all the time. But it's rarely talked about unless it's something huge.",
"Okay I see where you're coming from a little more now with the religion stuff. I misinterpreted what you meant. But yes I agree that the whole liberals against free speech stuff is ridiculous. It's kind of disappointing to see that happening when liberalism was always the philosophy that was in full support of free speech until recent years. We're relatively on the same page with emotion being used on both sides it seems (I just hate when people on the right say that and act like people on the right don't). Though there isn't a concrete number on which side does it more, I'm sure both our opinions on the matter stem from our experience with what we've seen. You point to the media being very liberal as a large reason and I would point to how right wing politicians in the US attract voters (many times fear-mongering and appealing to religion). But at the end of the day, all the people in the government, no matter what side, are getting what they want. It's easier to control us if we're divided. ",
"[This.](http://i.magaimg.net/img/2b24.png)",
"I'm going with SAO Abridged as it pulls the others as dependencies",
"I think it says \"Evidence Trumps Opinion\".",
"Do you love those people who deliberately debunk science so that they can profit from it?",
"Trump thinks that global warming is a hoax and that vaccines cause autism - I think this is a jab at him.",
"He’s not a bigot because he uses science and fact to back up joe claims, facts don’t care about your feelings",
"I can understand that. Unless you're specifically studying climate science, university isn't relevant to the issue academically. But socially, they're going to be mingling with other young Republicans at society meetings. The party line is discussed and reinforced, so by graduation, members' beliefs are closer to Republican ideals. This goes for Democrats as well, by the way. ",
"Yeah not disputing that at all. But some people use science as a method of disproving relgion, as an alternative to religion, in a ironically absolute kind of way. I'm not religious but who's to say the big bang theory wasn't the method and not the alternative? I'm just saying live and let live. Don't push your ideals on me regardless of what they are. ",
"What show",
"I know, the point was it works with facts not fiction.",
"Deal with it",
"Not from the teens I knew",
">\"Words mean different things in different contexts\".\n\nWell, isn't that the problem? In nonacademic contexts, there is no clear distinction. If I say 'that's a man/male' or 'there's a female/woman', am I talking about social roles or biology? If I were writing a paper, I could adhere to the terminology norms of my field, but we need to assume the most common meanings of words when speaking casually. If you want to use a different meanings in casual contexts, that's fine, but you need to define your term usage (and not claim it is the most proper usage, it's not, it's just preferred in certain parts of society).\n\n> When someone is talking about more than two genders, they are obviously not talking about biological sexes.\n\nWhat about hermaphrodites? What about other species with biological gender/sex distinctions which don't correlate cleanly to our own. While two options is the biological norm, we're still talking about a bimodal distribution (i.e. there are other options which do occasionally pop up).",
"Looks like ‘ evidence trumps opinion’ to me",
"What \"practical purposes\" are you talking about?",
"I know a die-hard flat-earther in real life. It's not as if they are incapable of understanding that the Earth is round. They have the cognitive capacity to piece things together. This difference in thinking between most people and this particular flat-Earther (can't speak for all of them) is that their method and motive for critique is in a fundamentally different place. The person I know thinks that it's the Illuminati behind the lie that the Earth is round. They point to Dave Chappelle's mental breakdown and the white-washing of history in textbooks as evidence for a grand conspiracy of wealthy elites to keep the lower-classes brainwashed and subservient. It's strange because some of it is genuinely worth investigating and has been known to be full of half-truths (generally Euro/white/male-centric history books that gloss over things like the oppression and genocide of Native Americans that continues to this day) mixed in with some vague and generally unreliable evidence towards a grand conspiracy. It's intertwined in so much more than science that explaining the reasoning and evidence behind the idea of a round Earth is lost in the grand schema of their worldview. \n\nI think you may be on to something here, as the person I know is using their own experience of their 'flat-Earth' and using it to question the 'round-Earth' status-quo that is assumed by many who can't actually explain the evidence of why the Earth is round, but are adamant that it is. It's intrinsically a critical stance, and a good jumping point for scientific thought. Where they (and I'm guessing many) fall short is that they don't attack their own worldview with the same amount of rigor that they do with the status-quo. It's less about finding answers, and more about disproving what they are being told to believe by people who they (arguably) are somewhat right to be hesitant to trust: 'authorities' who have time and time again shown their true colors (at least from their perspective, for whatever reason, scientists fall into this category). \n\nThe first step in convincing this person that the world is round is separating it from the fucking Illuminati. It's absurd, but calling them all idiots is that last thing that will help us take the next step. ",
"lol bet they wouldn't say this to the [trans dragonkin/expansive-ornate-building-kins working at Google](https://i.imgur.com/vSrB61z.png) or whatever, because that would just be intolerant!",
"Look I don't need things like experts and peer reviewed studies to tell me things that my gut knows! 2 scoops 2 genders!",
">Also, look into where the 97% consensus comes from. Incredibly shitty methodology.\n\nThe amount of times i've seen this bloody 97% number in the media or on social media. It's astounding. \"97% of published research\" turns into \"97% of scientists agree\". People are afraid to challenge it too because of shaming. You're tarred as a bigot, as anti-science, as a \"denier\". I'm not crying victimhood here, just saying, lots of ignorant people out there.",
"Trump supporter?",
"The person holding that sign as green as shrek",
"Hitchen's razor, that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.",
"Those other cases you have happen so very often it’s hard to consider those actual cases that would warrant qualifying them as different genders",
"We literally have a near-infinite database of information with millions of different sources. Ignorance is a choice nowadays.",
"You shouldn't necessarily manoeuvre your bureaucracy into the restaraunt.\n\nI already know how to spell manoeuvre [US: *maneuver*](/spoiler) but by damn, that triple vowel placement in the middle gives me slight pause every time.\n\nninja edit: vowel in US version",
"Science is pro everyone. There is no downside to science.",
"Rejecting untested non-observed pleas to authority like Hawking's radiation doesn't mean you don't grasp the convenience either.",
"Your view (or anyone’s) of what is a “staggering” leap of faith is entirely molded by your perspective. Nothing is entirely rational or realistic, and all belief systems rely on dealing with uncertainty, especially science. If science teaches us anything it’s that nothing is certain because there could be more evidence to the contrary in the future. This still holds true for what you believe based on your perception of evidence. Why I believe in science is precisely because it does NOT encourage the dismissal of other beliefs, since it doesn’t hold incontrovertible truths. I take issue with your judgment, not because I disagree, but because I don’t believe it’s scientific.",
"If anything this sign supports the idea that science is the new religion.\n\nMy not being able to understand something is absolutely an argument to not accept it. \"Sign this contract, it's fair just sign it. You don't understand it? Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean you shouldn't sign it, dummy.\"",
"What's it say on the otherside?",
"Wait wait.... I certainly consider myself an atheist, but I do so because I am agnostic. Or better said, I don't believe because I don't have enough info either way. \n\nYour words state matters in such a way that it appears your atheism is gnostic. But to claim gnosticism to back your atheism is just as absurd as anything religious people do. In fact, you could consider gnostic atheism its own religion.\n\nI see what you're doing. You're attempting to point out that people who are religious are silly by alluding to the epistemological issues that come with believing in a deity, but you're ignoring the epistemological issues that come with believing there is no deity. And if you think the scale of epistemological absurdity between either side is unbalanced, I implore you to reexamine. \n\nIf you really think about it, it's as absurd to believe in a god as much as its absurd to believe there is no god. If you're not following, we can enter this conversational rabbit hole.\n\nEDIT: on reading my words, it comes off all pointy and judgy. I stand by the intent of my words, but the tone could have been more pleasant.",
"> and more dangerous to discourage those who question its validity\n\nThe whole point of science is about questioning validity of any statment, even existing science.... \n\n The problem is that the arguments uneducated religious nuts give against science are based on their ignorance and are mostly just logical fallacies. \"Hur dur, evolution is a lie because it makes no sense to me\" is not a valid argument. First you have to understand the theory well than come with evidence logic and math... \n",
"Is this referencing actual scientific questions or just scientific institutions? ",
"nowhere is safe, Google truly is fucked.",
"For having such a strong opinion about science, I would've thought you understand that correlation doesn't equal causation. Fuck me, right?",
"Religion is not meant to compete with science. I will never understand the people who ridicule religion *in the name* of science. People like Dawkins, who I respect and appreciate, annoy me with this condescending attitude. Religion serves an entirely different purpose both individually and societally. The best part is, if you don’t like a religion, you don’t have to follow its ideas or morals. But instead of just doing that people turn to ridicule others as they walk out and it’s terribly divisive. I wish people would stop.",
"Social distinctions, if theres 70 genders you can bet your ass society will just move to Sex as a way to differentiate, for the most part people thought they were doing just that until about 2 years ago",
"If a person looks at the story of the resurrection of Jesus in Luke, Mark, and Matthew, you have 3 totally different stories. They are not even close to being similar. Which one is true? Christians say, Jesus rose from the dead. Prove it. Where is the evidence to support that conjecture?",
"How dare you, you cis scum. I’ll have you know that science allows me to inject children with hormones so that they can grow boobs and/or beards as per my scientific conclusions on the existence of 37584638 genders.",
"No. Just learned a basic scientific understanding of biology. ",
"tl;dr: Prayer for sick people doesn't help, and has an actual chance of making things worse",
"I can speak to this one. To whoever reads this, please hear me out, I am not downvoting you, I am not trying to silence your opinions.\n\n\nGay people have historically been discriminated against. The right would often claim it is \"just wrong\" or it is a mental disorder. The right was wrong. The important thing though is that gay people were fighting for actual rights. If they were not allowed to marry they did not gain access to benefits offered to straight people.\n\n\nNow we have (mostly young adults) that have a desire to be unique in this world and for some reason or other cannot comprehend that we all live the same boring life and are all just as unimportant as one another. They are coming out of the woodwork left and right identifying as dragons, cars, beavers, Zhes, Xers, Thems, trees? But they are not fighting for a right. They are not trying to gain something that is being given to some other class or person but not to them. They are playing a silly game of immaturity. They are attacking people for saying \"have a nice day ma'am.\" It is lunacy.\n\n\nSome of us are adults. We work full time jobs, we have families, we have mortgages, we pay taxes, we don't have time to worry about getting a pronoun just right or suffer the screeching of tumblr. We don't have the energy left after a full days work to stop our train of thought and call a singular person a \"they\".\n\n\nModern society equates gender to sex, it just does. It does not matter what definition you have found that says otherwise. When I go to the doctor I get a medical form that asks me my gender. There are two options \"Male\" and \"Female\". They aren't asking what I identify as, they are asking what I am. It is a silly argument of semantics.\n\n\nI don't care what you identify as at home. I don't care if you put on a fur suit and have wild romping orgies. I don't care if deep down inside you feel like a Xe. If you look like a man you will probably be called sir, if you look like a woman you will probably be called ma'am. You need to have thicker skin and grow up. If someone were to call me ma'am I wouldn't flip my shit, hell I probably wouldn't even correct them. There are bigger battles to be fought, and this isn't one that the world needs to change over.",
"Conservatism by definition is an opposition to change and innovation. ",
"I mean, I think its pretty obvious it wasn't serious. not every non-serious post needs a /s",
"Your ability to squawk logical fallacies at street protesters is not a practical argument against them (except in this instance, where it seems a lot of people agree?).",
"> The scary thing there is that we end up with something that has \"science\" in the name, but is nothing like what you or I understand science to be.\n\nLike *science-tology*.",
"Not appropriate? Why is there a flair specifically for this then?",
"Actually, the sign is simply an ad hominem implying that if you're arguing against it, it's because you don't understand it. God forbid that you might actually have a clue and still disagree.",
"How about we all try to calmly and carefully communicate our understandings of things before we write people off as beyond sense?",
"Because that \"research\" usually means \"yet another boring homework on topic which I'm not even sligthly interested in\". At least that's what I've used wikipedia on HS for.",
"Genocide, suicide, murder, corruption, infidelity, etc.",
"I have a colleague who was refuting the Big Bang theory by questioning the naming. \"Who calls it big bang?\" what.",
"I sure hope so. Long overdue. ",
"So science says chromosomes determine if you are a male or female right? ",
"The Brother's Grimm emulate the Bible by mixing folklore with real people and places. That's all fine as they didn't turn it into a religion...",
"Its not the learning that I dislike but the imposition of learning. I have no issue with you making changes to your body and being happy with yourself but I don't like being looked down upon if I accidentally mislabel someone out ignorance. Plus I hate fads in general and this all seems to be some big trendy thing to be interested in at the moment ",
"I am stating that their is room for anything to be proven as different, as we are only human and we have yet to unlock even a sliver of what is known about the universe and its mechanics. While I might believe many things about this universe (such as the element oxygen) are 99.9999% certain, there will always be an extremely small chance that I, as well as the entire human race, is entirely wrong. Absolute certainty can not exist as what we determine “certain” is only based off what is observable. There will always be a chance, no matter what, that something yet to be observed could change fundamental science. And by you saying that not all subjects in science are equal, you are contradicting your use of the ridiculous analogy with oxygen. ",
">There is no downside to science \n\nOther than hearing something you don't want to.",
"Isn't it a bit pretentious to think that you know someone's feelings better than they do? Also what does that even mean? That they misinterpreted their feelings, or that their feelings were somehow an error?",
"I believe they used it in George Orwell' s 1984 to brainwash people ",
"I wouldn't say true evidence. Perhaps, verifiable?",
"Hmm? what was that? I wasn't listening.",
"So you're saying there are 2 genders.",
"Your inability to grasp a joke is not a valid argument against it!",
"Same can be said for faith. Need understanding from both. ",
"Amen , forward this to the 50+ gender people ",
"Yeeahh so the whole push against immigrants is fucking things up for legitimate American families who had temporary status that Congress never closed the loop on or provided a new avenues for becoming a citizen. ",
"Your inability to grasp religion is not a valid argument against it. \n\nEDIT: I’m not religious but calling people dumb doesn’t help the situation. ",
"I mean that sounds good except that these days science tends to be used as a label as opposed to the real thing.\n\nIt could be said that far too often these days science = religion. ",
"There are only 2 genders says science. XX (female) or XY (male) chromosomes. You get an X from your mother and either an X or Y from your father.",
"Are you doubting the science or merely pointing out that people can have delusions?\n\n>>http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1600-0447.2003.00243.x/abstract\n\n>Conclusion: Lycanthropy is interpreted by the authors as a delusion in the sense of the self-identity disorder defined by Scharfetter.\n\n#\n\n>>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1130142/\n\nWhat does this have to do with species dysphoria?\n\n\n#\n\n>>http://nr.ucpress.edu/content/16/3/7\n\nThey examined the behavior of people online. The abstract several times brings up spirtualistic and religious themes, which should give an idea of what the article details, but regardless it clearly doesn't spin it in a positive light.",
"The left in a nutshell in regard to sex and gender. 2 can play at this stupid game.",
"Cherry picking data to prove your argument is not a valid argument for it :)",
"A fetus is human. It just doesn't get granted the construct of human rights. Human rights are actually a boon rather than a right otherwise it would be impossible for capital punishment to exist.",
"I'll believe the over 9000 genders if it can be proven with the scientific method. As of now, it's just a consensus, so I'll put that theory in the trash where it belongs. :D",
"Both sides deny science. \n\nRepublicans deny obvious stuff like climate change.\n\nDemocrats deny stuff like a transgender guy with his dick cut off and stuffed with hormones is still a guy, even if I call him a she to be polite, which I do. \n\nI think the Democrats cookie cutter mold of science is more harmful because Republicans just throw science away. Democrats use the stuff they can benefit from and throw the rest out. We know the Republicans are bullshitting us because we can see th science, the Democrats are telling half-truths which is much more confusing.",
"So... let's not have gender roles then? Isn't that what the feminists are pushing for anyway?",
"Your inability to grasp 2 genders",
"See, you are the perfect example of a person that the picture above is addressing.\n\nPS: I was abou to explain you about what is the scientific method, what is peer review process, the difference of scientific theories and hypothesis, and what the hell even theory means, because you seem to not know any of this.... but yeah that was the whole point of the pic... only ignorant people who are too oblivious to even understand what science is, make arguments like you just did. Get out of your head and educate yourself a bit....",
"That statement alone will be too complex to grasp haha words",
"That's right, there are only 2 genders. ",
"Insightful, well phrased, nice use of vocabulary. Congrats on graduating the 3rd grade ",
"You'll find that the ones arguing the hardest against anthropogenic climate change are actually people with a very solid background in science. \n\nThe disconnect is not whether you understand the science, it's whether you subscribe to the precautionary principle or not. \n\n",
"Except here it's important because the person being asked is a statistical outlier. If you ask someone with 9 fingers how many fingers a person has, you're more likely to get an inclusive answer, same as if you ask a nonbinary person how many genders there are.",
"Ballsdeep69",
"The problem remains. It's \"only\" a mental illness, but instead of working with that, they're trying to force everyone else to accept that there are more than 2 genders, which is a mental illness in itself to be honest.",
"Planets are social constructs. ;)",
"Global warming is a bad name. The better term is climate change. And these extreme hots in arizona and the rest of the west. And the extreme colds in the east is definitely indicative of climate change.",
"Science doesn't require proof, it's not a claim or a position nor something that is to be believed. It's a method of testing claims about the natural world and a means of gathering and further building on knowledge and discoveries. ",
"You're right. He should use the term Climate Change. ",
"The people who reject a particular scientific argument aren't literally saying that they don't understand it though. They probably believe they understand it as well as you think you understand Scientology.",
"This could be used on either side of the aisle",
"Pray for rain until it rains.\n\nWhat happens? \n\nOk. Now your turn with science. ",
"They do. Most of the time. Sometimes it's a mix and can't exactly be determined as male or female. In addition, your biological *sex* and the *gender* you identify with are two different things. They're linked, of course, and most of the time males are men and females are women, but that's not always the case. \n\nI'm trying to think of an analogy here...maybe, how countries can generally be seen as having a certain stance on an issue but you may not agree with your country's general stance? Does that make sense? It's the best I could come up with.\n\nAnd of course, it's not a big deal if you don't agree. The only thing set in stone here are the chromosomes themselves, and even they can't agree sometimes! So long as you aren't being an ass about it, there's not a problem",
"Identifying is self opinion. Opinions are great. Everybody has them. But others should not need to take any heed of your opinion as it is yours and yours alone.",
"There is no contradiction there. Only making a distinction between subjects that deserve questioning and subjects that do not. It’s a large spectrum that science plays on and people who are not scientists who decide they can question it are pretty fucking idiotic if you ask me. Go get a degree and then start legitimately questioning and experimenting on these subjects. I doubt you have one but you think you should be questioning those that do? Wow.",
"Yep. When hurricane Harvey hit we heard how climate change made this hurricane worse when in reality we experience about the same number of hurricanes each year since record keeping back to the 1800s.",
"I respect all religions, but hate when people turn down necessary medical procedures and medicine for prayer... **especially**when its with their children ",
"But 99.999% of people identify as either male or female.",
"It is actually, science needs to backed by significant facts to be credible. ",
"Is your next argument that we should accommodate people with every little type of hand? Because a using a bathroom is considerably different from a pair of scissors. ",
"They directly oppose evidence because of ignorance. They don't understand the science behind carbon dating, thus they blatantly oppose that evidence with either their own pseudo science or mere disbelief. They're no different than flat earth theorists.",
"Being unable to ask people how they feel is utterly intrinsic to the vast majority of psychology and medical science.\n\nIf you're honestly suggesting that the millions of TGNC people around the world are all misinterpreting their own feelings, the PDF goes quite a bit in to the methods used for appropriate diagnosis.",
"It’s not a 50-50 chance, you started off your argument on false premises.",
"There's also plenty of people who are convinced of climate change but do not understand science, and simply argue \"scientists know a lot more than us about this, so let's trust their judgment/assessment\". This is its own fallacy - appeal to authority. Should we say big pharma should call the shots on all healthcare matters because they know more about medicine than regular jackoffs?",
"I think it goes beyond an inability to grasp science and has more to do with a focused campaign by certain people in power to undermine critical thinking. We can't have the masses thinking for themselves now, let alone using a critical thinking tool such as the scientific method. It is sad that some people have been duped, but I don't really blame them. We live in a corrupt world, so when a person with little education and hardly any societal power falls victim to a manipulative force that is much more powerful than them I can't really hate that poor person (both meanings of poor often apply here).",
"Most feminists are pushing for far less strict gender roles, but I haven't heard about eliminating it entirely.\n\nI doubt eliminating gender roles will work. That'd cause a far greater furore than you already have with a very limited number of non-conformers.",
"Killing both death row inmates *and* fetuses is wrong.",
"Dae SCIENCE?!?! Dude SCIENCE lmao xD xD le epic SCIENCE :D :D",
"Alright, I just added a quote of the entire first guideline so people will actually read it. Here it is for your easy access:\n\n>\n\n>***Rationale.*** Gender identity is defined as a person’s deeply felt, inherent sense of being a girl, woman, or female; a boy, a man, or male; a blend of male or female; or an alternative gender (Bethea & McCollum, 2013; Institute of Medicine [IOM], 2011). In many cultures and religious traditions, gender has been perceived as a binary construct, with mutually exclusive categories of male or female, boy or girl, man or woman (Benjamin, 1966; Mollenkott, 2001; Tanis, 2003). These mutually exclusive categories include an assumption that gender identity is always in alignment with sex assigned at birth (Bethea & McCollum, 2013). For TGNC people, gender identity differs from sex assigned at birth to varying degrees, and may be experienced and expressed outside of the gender binary (Harrison, Grant, & Herman, 2012; Kuper, Nussbaum, & Mustanski, 2012).\n\n>Gender as a nonbinary construct has been described and studied for decades (Benjamin, 1966; Herdt, 1994; Kulick, 1998). There is historical evidence of recognition, societal acceptance, and sometimes reverence of diversity in gender identity and gender expression in several different cultures (Coleman et al., 1992; Feinberg, 1996; Miller & Nichols, 2012; Schmidt, 2003). Many cultures in which gender nonconforming persons and groups were visible were diminished by westernization, colonialism, and systemic inequity (Nanda, 1999). In the 20th century, TGNC expression became medicalized (Hirschfeld, 1910/1991), and medical interventions to treat discordance between a person’s sex assigned at birth, secondary sex characteristics, and gender identity became available (Meyerowitz, 2002). \n\n>As early as the 1950s, research found variability in how an individual described their gender, with some participants reporting a gender identity different from the culturally defined, mutually exclusive categories of “man” or “woman” (Benjamin, 1966). In several recent large online studies of the TGNC population in the United States, 30% to 40% of participants identified their gender identity as other than man or woman (Harrison et al., 2012; Kuper et al., 2012). Although some studies have cultivated a broader understanding of gender (Conron, Scout, & Austin, 2008), the majority of research has required a forced choice between man and woman, thus failing to represent or depict those with different gender identities (IOM, 2011). Research over the last two decades has demonstrated the existence of a wide spectrum of gender identity and gender expression (Bockting, 2008; Harrison et al., 2012; Kuper et al., 2012), which includes people who identify as either man or woman, neither man nor woman, a blend of man and woman, or a unique gender identity. A person’s identification as TGNC can be healthy and self-affirming, and is not inherently pathological (Coleman et al., 2012). However, people may experience distress associated with discordance between their gender identity and their body or sex assigned at birth, as well as societal stigma and discrimination (Coleman et al., 2012). \n\n>Between the late 1960s and the early 1990s, healthcare to alleviate gender dysphoria largely reinforced a binary conceptualization of gender (APA TFGIGV, 2009; Bolin, 1994; Hastings, 1974). At that time, it was considered an ideal outcome for TGNC people to conform to an identity that aligned with either sex assigned at birth or, if not possible, with the “opposite” sex, with a heavy emphasis on blending into the cisgender population or “passing” (APA TFGIGV, 2009; Bolin, 1994; Hastings, 1974). Variance from these options could raise concern for health care providers about a TGNC person’s ability to transition successfully. These concerns could act as a barrier to accessing surgery or hormone therapy because medical and mental health care provider endorsement was required before surgery or hormones could be accessed (Berger et al., 1979). Largely because of self-advocacy of TGNC individuals and communities in the 1990s, combined with advances in research and models of trans-affirmative care, there is greater recognition and acknowledgment of a spectrum of gender diversity and corresponding individualized, TGNC-specific health care (Bockting et al., 2006; Coleman et al., 2012).",
"Your attitude is what most ppl is missing. You expect simple facts, and most ppl treat \"climat change\" as religion they belive it. And even when they do a \"research\" it ends on facebook... Not to mention than any1 can write article which supports their cause, you need a fair amount of time to research and most is not able to commit.",
"I agree. So for once, will Democrats finally listen to our economic advisers when they tell us tax cuts and deregulation work??",
"I agree, there are going to be emotional and illogical people on both sides, as people are fundamentally the same when it comes down to it. And yes, it is easier for them to control us when we are divided, that’s why I despise the media so much, because it seems as though their objective is to divide us. This can also be said for a huge majority of the movements that are known in our society today. I’m just glad we can agree, it’s a rare moment for two ideologically different redditors to end on agreement. ",
"This is precisely what aggravates me about the typical conversations that form around these issues: people have different definitions of the word gender, and gender, even when defined simply as a mental phenomena, has lots of other sticking points in definition.\n\nFor instance, some people equate gender identity with emotional and behavioral trends. They talk about people who display emotions or behavior that is not typical of a persons \"gender\" (again, \"gender\" here meaning only a collection of emotional and behavioral trends, it has nothing to do with identity) as being trans, nongender-comforming, or non-binary. This is completely wrong. If a biological male has emotional and behavioral traits such as affection, sensitivity, or any other traits that are (again, mistakenly) equated with femininity, that person doesn't *identify* as a female.\n\nOther people talk about gender identity as something else entirely, as a literal identity with a gender regardless of personality, emotion, or behavior. They simply identify with the opposite gender. They look down at the body and it's wrong. There's no emotion to it. This is called gender dysphoria and it's a completely real thing, which both sides absolutely hold as an illness worthy of therapeutic intervention (given moral levels of consent and age of administration).\n\nThe problem is that people will completely mix these two up. A person may think, \"hey, I'm a biological male but I have lots of \"feminine\" characteristics. Maybe I'm trans.\" Or they will say that about someone else. This was actually the grounds for one of the studies listed in the parent comment's paper ([Coleman, E., Colgan, P., & Gooren, L. (1992). Male cross-gender behavior\nin Myanmar (Burma)](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF01542999)) and it's completely mistaken as a methodology. They are assuming that a person's \"feminine\" *behavior* automatically infers *identity*. And people that are on the other side are typically responding to just this. Though more importantly they are worried about the effect it will have on parenting. They are concerned that a parent that sees their biological son play with a doll, or display other \"feminine\" traits will somehow build up a narrative in the child's mind that they are trans and will put them on hormone therapy. It's the same thing with pharmaceuticals amongst children. A kid is hyper, so he must have ADD. Let's give him ritalin at 12. That's their main concern.\n\nBut all of this just gets lost in the mud slinging.",
"Well, if my clothing choices have long lasting legal, economic and social impacts on the entire nation for generations to come, and if I have very little, if any, expertise in the area of fashion compared to countless career professionals in that area that the government have at their disposal, then yes. I'd like them to choose those clothes on my behalf. ",
"Well sure... except one does not even need to be an expert in a single religion to spot the fallacies, and contradictions about it. ",
"I graps skienc wery goodly!",
"Too bad everyone doesn't accept this. So many people could learn more if they took a moment to look at things.",
" 'I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.' - Richard Feynman",
"It reads \"Evidence trumps opinion\".\n\n\"trump\" is a [noun and verb in the English language](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/trump). Here it is used as a verb.",
"I love that a Trumper's first instinct regarding a pro-science post with no political connotation is to be triggered. It's like one of the main pillars of Trumpism is ignorance. \n ",
"Our new Evangelists people. get rid for another hailstorm",
"What is really terrible is overuse of the word \"science\" recently. We hear it in every dispute used by both sides. And in most cases its used without any data or evidence... JUST SCIENCE MAN! and then they think they are smart cause they said science.",
"Sure. \n\nWho cares enough whether Tony is a dude or a chick to argue with them? Just don’t fuck* them unless you’re attracted to them and call them by whatever they present to be. \n\nWho cares? What do you have invested in their pronoun?",
"Thing is.. I don't think these \"progressive\" feminists deny science because they don't grasp it.. I think they deny it because it doesn't conform to how they want the science to be.",
"I see. I guess she'll flip out when we'd show her the sience of hbd. ",
"The person's grasp on the topic is irrelevant and doesn't make the statement more or less true.",
"I never said it wasn’t. I merely stated that liberalism does not equal progressivism. Opening up to new ideas does not always mean they are ideas that progress us as a society. ",
"A very legit fact. People reject or dislike what they don't understand. History literally shows this over and over....",
"Yep...because this has never happened before...right /s",
"It tends to be overused by radical feminists who have made careers out of collective peer-reviewed circle-jerking and now expect everyone else to take it as equivalent to hard science. ",
"It goes further than that. The scientific community, on a global scale, is actually a minority group (for better or worse - and even then, divisive like sects).\n\nWhen \"the scientific community\" says that Pluto is no longer a planet after decades of saying it is (for the arbitrary reason that it doesn't clear it's own path), they don't actually change the definition which is defined by common usage and not that of self deemed authorities. Causing that change requires decades of uptake until it enters common use.\n\nTLDR; Outside of the scope of the scientific community, Pluto remains a planet.",
"Faith: \"strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.\"\n\nthe whole idea of taking a leap of faith is believing in God or whatever without proof or evidence. if there was concrete evidence it wouldn't be faith, it would be fact. \n\nI personally don't believe in religion, and not sure if there is a higher being. it really makes no difference to me, I try and be a good person and live a good life because I want to, not because I am afraid of Hell or whatever. \n\nBut I don't judge those who are religious. I understand that many people want to believe in God because they are afraid of death and this life being the end, and want answers to why are we here and how did we get here. Or they just want something to believe in or hope or whatever their reason may be. \n\nWhile I don't believe, to say someone who believes in God without evidence is illogical is silly, as that is the whole point of \"faith\". If God proved himself to everyone it would no longer be faith and just be fact. \n\nedit: added dictionary definition of faith",
"Science still says sex determines gender no it doesn’t determine what they identify as that sounds like a mental issue to me",
"Allowing people to be comfortable with a mental illness is what leads to the 'healthy at every size' movement.",
"No...he is a fool. This is weather ",
"Yeah but let’s first talk about who funded the research, was it peer reviewed, the methodology and then let’s look at other research.",
"EVIDENCE TRUMPS OPINION... is what's written on the back.",
"Because there isn't a biological basis. The study you racists quote is politically charged.",
"So the person holding the sign is committing a fallacy and is incorrectly referring to another philosophical fallacy. \n\nSign lady here we can argue is committing ad hominem. It is unfair to judge a person or by their CHARACTER, without first attempting to understand their line of reasoning. How do you know EVERY person who makes some absurd scientific claim is in fact ignorant?\n\nWe need to understand circumstances. There is no such thing as a one sided truth or the justice system in america would be more screwed than it already is.\n\nClaiming Ignorance is also in fact a fallacy. Claiming Ignorance needs some time and situational circumstances to determine.\n\nSo for example if someone walked up to me and said \"I don't believe in global warming! It's a myth! all fake science mumbo jumbo! We may want to ask this person a series of questions to better understand their ability to understand the topic at hand. \n\nOnce we can determine that person's understanding we may want to attempt to educate them on the topic at hand. At this point the individual is no longer Ignorant... at least to an extent. so If the person at the end of our lovely explanation says \"you know I really didn't know all of that... I'm sorry\" or something similar we can forgive them because they were Ignorant. It should not be seen as a fault to a person because none of us know everything about... everything. So it's OKAY to BE IGNORANT. It is not okay to be educated on something then screw up the details and information and still say you didn't know any better.\n\nIf immediately after my conversation with this person they approach the next person, have the same conversation and education and then attempt to say \"I didn't know any better.\" They are then feigning ignorance.\n\nYou buffoons act like you know what ignorance is and then you end up being ignorant on the definition of ignorance. So now that we are all a little less ignorant about ignorance and claiming ignorance I expect to see a lot less ignorance on ignorance.",
"Believing in something is not the same as being aware of the facts that underline something.\n\nSo instead of saying \"Ah buleev\" instead state \"it is a fact that\" and poof! There you have it.",
"Empirical evidence is not proof. It's an overdone example but you could easily be in the matrix and some alien could be simulating every one of your senses. It may sound rediculous, but you can't prove that it's not true. I love science, but don't be deceived into thinking that it will deliver some ultimate form of truth. More than likely it never will. The problem with religion (in my opinion) isn't god nesecarily, it's the blind faith part. The worst thing that can ever happen to science is for it become the new religion. Science is what it is. It never promised to answer the questions that religion does and that's not a bad thing. People just need to quit trying to force it to.",
"Not just science, many of us \"enlightened\" redditors scoff at things we don't understand, be it sports, high fashion, sophisticated gastronomy, oenology (science of wine), video games, specific music genres, foreign languages or cultures, social sciences, etc... \n\nI admit I do it with sports and rap music, but I always try to remind myself that this doesn't make me smarter, it actually makes me dumber, I should never take pride in my ignorance. It's not because I don't like/understand something that it's stupid. The only stupid thing here is me.",
"\"Your evidence is fake because I don't agree with the politics surrounding it!\"\n\nNice argument.",
"They even use *whataboutism* which is the most intellectually dishonest spin from their rampant hypocrisy involving the candidates.",
"It's literally impossible to read that near-infinite database in its completion. How is being ignorant of some of it a choice?\n\nBeing ignorant of a couple of important issues is a choice, I'll give you that.",
"Those methods aren't fool-proof, and I'm not going to accept something that can't be proven through the scientific method and only accepted by a consensus. For now, this 9000 gender shit is only in the bottom filth of the trash unless I was proven otherwise.",
"I agree with this but this is a repost.",
"\"Your inability to grasp science\"\n\nWhat the fuck does this mean? Your inability to grasp conclusions reached through scientific methods? I feel like people who talk about \"science\" or \"reality\" or \"truth\" this way \"grasp science\" as well as Trump, or whoever this aimed at, does. ",
"You don't, as you won't convince the huge amount of your fellow ignorant citizens... It takes long years of investing in education and not trying everything to make the population dumb and poor.... Your country is fucked. At least lets hope it will provide a good lesson for others....",
"FUCK YEAH! LOGIC!",
"If their debunkaging (made up a new word) is logical and well-evidenced, then they're not really debunking science, they're just participating in it. ",
"Petty.. and beneath men of science like us. Attacking stupid people does nothing for science.",
"Alright, simmer down there Pitbull. \n\nEdit: whhhaaattt? Only thing missing from above comment is a city's name & Mr. Worldwide. ",
"It's \"case in point,\" professor.\n\nBut yeah, otherwise you sound like, really smart. ",
">BOOKS ARENT SOURCES DERRRRRRRRRR - /u/Fire_anelc\n\nFor the love of god. Finish high school.",
"The problem is more that Wikipedia is *incredibly* superficial. Every topic where I know something at more than just basic proficiency the corresponding Wikipedia page is so superficial that it borders on misinformation. That lowers my confidence when looking at topics where I'm not proficient.\n\nAlso, there are [events like this](https://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/a-feminist-edit-a-thon-seeks-to-reshape-wikipedia) that don't exactly inspire confidence.",
"“Your inability to understand Rick and Morty is not an argument against it”",
"What is the name of the scientist holding the sign?\n",
"Your inability to see science is largely theory, which is not truth or fact but opinions tried.. irritates the shit out of me when you claim it all factual.",
"Said Jamie's mustache. ",
"The girl looks like the 😎 emoji",
"Science's inability to answer moral and existential questions isn't an argument against it either, but that doesnt validate dismissing something that does.",
"When those who cannot face being wrong and so blind themselves to the truth become a danger to you and me because they chose to remain blind, no amount of love helps.\n\nImagine Noah not being allowed to build an Ark.",
"Of course, nobody can read every single thing there is to know. \n\nBut when someone is taking a side on an important issue (or even an insignificant one), it's a good idea to research said issue and make sure they know what they're supporting.",
"Not what I was expecting out of that sub.",
"Quick, somebody cue in the coco-*nut* guy. ",
"I agree to an extent, but there are definitely some ideas and concepts that this logic (not grasping ————— isn’t a valid argument against it) is more appropriate, and Science is probably most often dismissed by people who don’t grasp it.\n\nSide note: “grasp” is a weird word here, but I think the sign-writer meant “have a basic working knowledge of” which is too long for a sign.",
"So you are saying there is only two genders and they coincide with anatomy?",
"Yes, I am by no means a scientist. However, that doesn’t mean I can’t do my own research and question some of their ideas. Covering your eyes and accepting truth as truth simply because someone said it was is a terrible way to live a logical life. Do your own research with unbiased studies and develop your own opinion. ",
"As a trans woman who has to constantly try to explain to people that it’s possible for brain anatomy and external anatomy to be mismatched and show them the research proving it, I identify with this sign. ",
"Can confirm holding a sign does not exempt you from a decade of education.\n\nAlso get your Goddamn flu shots, please. ",
"In a time where climate change deniers are so widespread and people want to stop teaching evolution, I think it is necessary to do something against it.",
"is it 2008 again?",
"You have a fundamental misunderstanding about the scientific method if you think self-report studies don't use it.",
"Non sequitur",
"How to say absolutely nothing.",
"It's all ignorant in itself. \n\n'Grasp Science' and this is more of this stupid idea science is a 'thing'.\n\nOf course, this is because, like many Redditors and liberal-progressives they do believe in 'Gnosticism' and that knowledge is a 'thing' or really a kind of 'Entity'. A 'person' if you will. \n\nand what would a 'valid argument against science' be? Like, what would that mean?\n\nInterestingly, a lot of comments here and this very sign message could be called an argument 'against science' which, and this is nearly the fundamental point and principle in the modern scientific method - you OUGHT TO argue against it. \n\nThis is is the very base rule - assail it, question it, doubt it, look for any flaw in the method used, question all results, throw criticisms at every angle, try to prove their was a mistake, try to prove the outcome has to be wrong. Now THAT is science!\n\nThe new Gnostics who've hijacked this (see that lady and that sign) are as anti-science as it gets. ",
"[Yeah!](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/013/034/yeahsciencebitch.jpg)",
"Yeah but I'm pretty sure that if you left the baby alone for a while you might get a fully fledged person. It's the difference between a person and snot.\n\nWe become a person the moment we start \"growing\". Snot will not turn into a baby, a fertilized egg will. ",
">But all of this just gets lost in the mud slinging.\n\nTrue. But I think a lot of it also gets lost in the fact that both sides have different values, but nobody talks about values anymore in public, so it's just people spewing facts and expecting that to change people's mind (facts + values = action, a given \"fact\" isn't in itself usually going to make someone act in a certain way. Just because it may be a \"fact\" that trans people strongly identify as the opposite sex doesn't mean it is a \"fact\" that this *means* anything as to how you \"should\" treat them). The idea that \"identifying as X\" means you should be treated as \"X\" is a modern value that not everybody shares. Science can only give you the \"identifying as X\" part, or certain information about brain structure, but if you don't share the value that this means you should act in a certain way, you're not going to act in that way. People confuse this with \"they don't understand the science\", because for *them* (and their values) the science means something. ",
"Some cultures who believed in voodoo spirits and non-existent genders is your scientific evidence that more genders exist? Please tell me this means a fire god exists too.",
"Quite interesting that you would interpret the message here as \"anti-Trump\".",
"Strawman harder\n\nDownvoting is not an argument.",
"As someone who has debated, the most successful way to fight facts is to put them in a negative light, cast doubt on them, redirect, and appeal to emotion.\n\nWorks almost every time. People are damn gullible especially when the facts are so hard to understand that most flip a switch to \"duuuhhhh\" and their eyes glaze over.\n\nMaking facts easy to understand (re: ELI5 it to me ;)) is the best way to fight a plea to emotion.",
"ITT: Angry conservatives",
"Finally a valid argument for the 2 genders. ",
"What's the back say? The second and third lines say \"TRUMP'S OPINION\" but I can't read the top.",
"> a sizable portion of liberals’ arguments are hugely emotion based rather than science based. \n\nDo you have a source for this or are you making an emotion based argument? \n \nCan you even define \"liberal\"? What do you even mean by that? Who are \"the liberals\"? \n \nOh the irony.... ",
"I disagree. This just means that the problem shifts to how do you filter the choices. Science is having this problem now, the push to publish has overwhelmed and therefore clogged the literature. It's easy to find resources to cite for whatever you want to believe.",
"nah, gender politics is not something you can just convince someone to change their mind about on line. It's a very personal issue. I'm a 2 gender type of person and think that the concept of gender being a social construct is bullshit but because of the sensitive nature of the topic people often refuse to see logic or reasoning in others arguments and prefer to just attach arbitrary labels.",
"Aw try again hunny, your reading comprehension wont get better if you dont try ",
"I love how a fact is downvoted by anti science nutjobs.",
"Science to most people is like Religion for most - on both sides people will vehemently defend it and advocate for it yet understand very little of what they cast their faith in. ",
"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.",
"Not to people who actually spend time understanding various scientific fields. It's not a religion. Maybe some people are happy the power of science granted them the ability to own portable super computers and argue with people they will never meet on the other side of the world in an instant. Idiots embracing advancement isn't a religion though. ",
"Actually, past a certain point it is. Complicated theories that are not explained well enough to be understood by non-proponents are hallmarks of pseudoscience.",
">That is for the experts to debate don't you think? \n\nNo. The average punter is closer to reality than the experts are. The experts live in a bubble of people with similar values to there. Most judgements are value judgements and have little to do with the facts that the experts study. Take for example the question of whether people \"should\" pay taxes to help out others. The experts can only tell you how paying taxes affects the economy, but they can't tell you about whether you have the moral obligation to help others. \n\nEdit: Have a look at what a panel of economic experts say about net neutrality, and then ask yourself whether you should be part of the debate. ",
"[This](https://i.imgur.com/yS0Lvgm.gif) has never happened before. \n\n[full article](https://www.skepticalscience.com/broken-hockey-stick.htm)",
"Your inability to grasp god is not a valid argument against it ",
"Well there are extremely credible sources on both sides of most debates (climate change comes to mind). The problem is that to the the believers all the credible sources of differing opinion are non-credible because x and y. To the non-believers vice versa.\n\nIf you do not understand something it is literally a 50-50 chance of being right.",
"I wouldn’t say immediately invalidating someone’s opinion by projecting intellectual superiority is a valid argument either. So smug. ",
"Since you had nothing to say you tried with a lame personal insult. If you have nothing of value to post, skip it next time.\n\nIf you have nothing better than insults left, i'm going to block you :)",
"The opposite is true. Your inability to explain science doesn't mean one should submit to it. \n\nAnd no sound bites don't count. \n\nBut as others have said there's a ton wrong with this sign which is what most of these signs amount to. A pithy slogan that only should be appreciated for as long as you read it. ",
"One simple way would be to put them in a plane from Johannesburg, South Africa to Perth, Australia. This flight is relatively short on a global earth, taking about 9 hours. This would not be possible on a flat earth, since both cities lie on opposite ends of the flat earth map. And in fact flat earthers simply deny these flights exist - even though you can book them online - and say that there is always a stop in Dubai, which is simply not true. Of course this problem applies to any long distance flight, since you cannot project a spherical map to a flat surface (which is why all our 2D maps are wrong regarding either distances or angles or both).\n\nIt is the collection of all arguments brought up by flat earthers that doesn't hold. When you explain how gravity would work on a disk like planet, they will explain to you that gravity does not exist or (rather seldomly) that our understanding of gravity is wrong. Instead of a gravitational pull accelerating falling objects towards earth's center, they will postulate that earth has a constant acceleration of 9.8 m/s² in the direction we perceive as upwards. If you happen to speak to a flat earther that in fact does grasp not only basic mathematics but rather complicated physical models (which is, in my experience, only the tiniest portion of this community), they will explain to you that in accordance with special relativity this constant acceleration does in fact not accelerate the earth to light speed, as one could naively assume. However, accepting special relativity while neglecting general relativity is simply inconsistent, it neglects the common origin of both theories and also the evidence which proves special relativity to be valid only in \"special\" cases.\nAnyway, if you then ask, why there is tidal motion in the oceans, they will say there is a gravitational force exerted by the moon and stars. They differentiate between gravity and gravitation. However, no explanation is given as to why other celestial bodies exert gravitation while earth does not. \nThen you ask, what force it is that accelerates earth upwards and they will answer something about dark matter (the existence of which is only implied by our understanding of gravity, which they dismiss) at which point I'm certain, I'm talking to a troll.\n\nFlat earthers have arguments against any single point you bring up, but their arguments are not consistent and if you want to disprove them you need to find these inconsitencies rather than asking single unrelated questions about seemingly spherical planet phenomena.\n\nEDIT: There is also a problem with earth's atmosphere. Neglecting earth's gravitational pull, there is no force preventing our atmosphere to blow away into space. The only \"explanation\" for this I have every heard was that the flat earth is covered by a large dome (at which point we drift into pure fantasy), but that does not explain decreasing air pressure.\n\nEDIT2: Most of the arguments I brought up are not repeated in this form by most flat earthers I have encountered. In accordance with my initial comment, most flat earthers I see will simply throw meme like pictures at you, failing to give a coherent explanation (or even coherent sentences at all, for that matter) about what these pictures try to explain (about the horizontal curvature, for example). They will tell you, how you are manipulated by media and scientists and suggest you do your own research. They will bring up fantasy stories about the transparent moon disk and the magical dome that surrounds us all. They will refuse to do any simple home experiment (e.g. with a pendulum), claiming to already know that the result would prove them right or denying the experiment's validity. They will deny the most obvious truths (for example about flight routes) and if you tell them, that you're working as a scientist, they will accuse you of being part of the great conspiracy.",
"Firmly grasp it.",
"Alright i'll bite.. Where do you see people saying anything about \"70 genders\" or **promoting** such nonsense. Afaik it's the right and way-too-forced anti-PC people that came up with this narrative of \"lefties dont believe in genders hurrdurr\"",
"lol nah actually I'm a musician. I did study languages at uni, but that doesn't really make me qualified.\n\nI see what you're saying, for me a spectrum would be more like a smooth transition though, something like the Kinsey scale.\n\nAs far as I can tell even among transfolk the great majority identify as either male or female, so you could say it's a binary with a small number of outliers who don't fall into either category. In the same way that \"humans have 10 fingers\" is a broadly accurate statement, even though some people have more or less.",
"\"His teeth are so bad, he could eat an apple through a tennis racket.\"\n",
"You can't argue against science. As soon as you present a valid argument you are using the scientific method and participate in science.",
"You're cherry picking a bit and twisting it around. There is absolutely a cultural layer at play, that much is obvious. But doctors were convinced that formula was more complete and more beneficial than breast milk. It was standard practice to automatically start infants on formula and give women drugs to stop them from lactating.\n\nIn case this wasn't obvious to everyone, culture also exudes strong influence on science as well.\n\n",
"To know da wae. ",
"sooooo, how many genders are there? ",
">For something to become a scientific theory, there have to be observations, testable AND repeatable results\n\nThat's the old definition for scientific theory. The new one doesn't require something be observable and repeatable to become a theory (the big bang, for example). ",
"What's depressing is I think I know what context this might be from -- or, at least, I know in what context it would make sense. Just listen to any politician talk about science for five minutes:\n\n> I'm not a scientist, but as I understand it...\n\n> [5 minutes later]\n\n> ...and that's why I think science is wrong about global warming / evolution / vaccines / the fact that the earth is a fucking sphere.\n\nThey literally start with a declaration of their ignorance of science as if this somehow validates the part where they think they know more than 99% of scientists. OP's sign is a reasonable response.\n\nOut of context, though, this is a pointless shitpost.",
"> scrambles a baby's brains, and then vacuums it out and tosses it into a trash can. Life is valuable. Life is worth living. I'm sorry you don't feel that way. \n\nThat's not a baby's brain. Its a piece of meat that will turn into a brain in a few weeks or months. At this point the \"baby\" had as many thoughts or feelings as a single blade of grass had. It is not a person, not even an individual yet.",
"Good bot",
"Religion attempts to explain the meaning of life. It’s like comparing Kant’s philosophy to a biology paper. Kant isn’t going to have the same experiment rigor (in fact, no experiments at all), but it’s still useful and respectable.",
"Exactly. Bruce Jenner can try and delude himself and others that he's Caitlyn but he's still Bruce all gussied up. ",
"Those “extreme” temperatures never happened before?\n\nNever?",
"Blocked and reported. ",
"> I'm pretty sure that if you left the baby alone for a while you might get a fully fledged person\n\nNo, that thing would be dead in minutes.",
"Evidence..?",
"Every right or wrong is a 50-50 chance to a person who knows nothing about it. That's my point.\n\nOf course each topic isn't 50-50, but it is 50-50 to just hear an idea, side with it and then defend that position without looking into it.",
"I wasn't calling you mentally ill, just those in society who are pushing and teaching it.\n\nI guess they think they are doing well, because they are accepting the wishes of transgender people, but in doing so they are forcing society to participate in their mental illness. Warping reality and redefining words to please transgenders. Which is probably a mental illness as well. They'd rather make everyone else feel bad, than to call a transgender mentally ill.\n\nAnd it's only about transgenders now because they are done with gays. Pedophiles are probably their next \"victims\" they want you to support. Maybe rapists after that.",
"It’s not about pushing ideas though, science and logic form a foundation we should *all* agree on. Those shouldn’t be political positions. When it’s a political debate to agree with the broad consensus of climate scientists, when evolution is being threatened in our school systems, when the CDC isn’t allowed to say “transgender,” “diversity,” “fact-based,” or “evidence-based,” there’s a serious problem. People standing up for science aren’t pushing their ideas on others, they’re trying to warn us about the corrupt people who are trying to use the piety of others for their own ends, and about the millions of well-meaning but manipulated people letting them lead us off the deep end.\n\nYou don’t have to agree with the message, but at the end of the day all they’re doing is exercising their right to protest for a cause that’s important (even if not to you, to them and many others)",
"That's why I find this argument particularly patronizing ",
"I guess Tinder is the easiest way to use for an example of it creeping into the mainstream",
"edgy",
"> I think it's important to note that \"laypeople\" generally use the term \"theory\" as though it means \"just a wild guess\"\n\nNever heard a layperson use the word \"theory\" that way. Usually they'll say something similar to \"having observed X, Y and Z, my theory is Y\" and then try to explain \"X,Y,Z\". ",
"I don't think underfunding is the issue here. If the black community was replaced with Asians, they'd be far more successful than the blacks. Why is this I wonder? Could it be perhaps that Asian families place much higher value on success and education? Could it be that Asians actually have families, unlike many blacks where the father leaves? Could it be that Asians don't have gang issues in their communities?\n\nAlso I don't live in a trailer kiddo, I live in a normal house in a pleasant neighborhood.",
"No one in the mainstream was using gender in this way just a few years ago. It was a synonym for sex. Not sure why this changed when it became a hot button political topic.",
"'facts'",
"ha probably",
"It's frightening to think that someone as scientifically ill-equipped as him was able to shape national policy for so many people. Net result, we still have insane rates of heart disease, only now with the added wrinkle of metabolic syndrome and diabetes, not to mention the fact that population height is now starting to decrease. He managed to combine malnutrition *and* disease-promoting habits all into one easy to digest diet.\n\nWhat worries me is where does nutrition go from here? We've had something like sixty years of institutionally enforced incorrect assumptions not only influencing our diets and health, but also virtually all of the research conducted into nutrition over that period. It's going to take years to sort out, and we still have to get groups like the AHA to admit their long-held stance on diet may be incorrect.",
"Sure, I getcha. But do it with deserving subjects.",
"Not an argument",
"true, but your inability to back it up is",
"And none of these are what the debate is about.",
"2edgy4me",
"Valid being the key word here. So many idiots out there who question subjects that have empirical evidence on their side. This is how we end up with 300 genders and flat earthers.",
"US is “maneuver”, just FYI! We don’t drop *that* many vowels.",
"That's not even true about Trump. Whatever you want to think Trump doesn't believe in climate change you win, I could slightly debate it but I won't, but he did just sign a bunch of stuff about sending the US to the moon again and Mars. That's a pretty big fucking deal scientifically, Mars especially is the beginning voyage to the rest of the solar system/universe. It's the next possible habitable planet in the habitable zone, if humans are still alive in the future this will be the best we get without finding another planet in another solar system. After Mars at best it's all asteroids and moons unless we figure out how to live in the big gas giant's upper atmosphere's.",
"We do allow it. In fact, in some places like New York City, there are 32 legal genders. It’s very fashionable here.",
"So basically all this revolves around that one comment Trump made about global warming being a \"Chinese hoax\" or whatever? You do realize at least half of what Trump says and tweets shouldn't be taken seriously right? He's literally trolling people like you.",
"These signs brought to you by people that \"love science!!!\" couldn't multiply a double digit number. \n\nFuck, I am so tired of \"LE SCIENCE\" being an epic meemz for the political left. You're just as bad at it as your political counterparts, you know.",
"“The liberals” are those that identify as liberal or have left leaning ideas. And since it’s 5:26am and I don’t want to find source articles I guess my argument is invalid. I would say that by simply viewing the main foundation of many liberal arguments, you would find that they are emotionally based. This can be seen with their stance on gender, redistribution of wealth, job security, big business, gun control, and others. Obviously I am making a generalization about liberals, and that is wrong to do, but finding specifics would be difficult to achieve so I am stuck having to just say “most liberals”. ",
"Your inability to grasp more money in your pocket is not a valid argument against it.\n\nYou inability to grasp that coming to America legally is important is not a valid argument against it.\n\nYour inability to grasp Hilary Clinton is the only one behind Russian collusion is not a valid argument against it.\n\nThis really is fun.",
"Yes, and many people have 11 fingers. But in science class, we teach kids that humans have 10.",
"I think it's a mental issue too. It's a disorder, called gender dysphoria, where you feel conflicted because your gender does not match your sex. Living as the opposite sex usually would, to match your gender, is the best treatment we know of for gender dysphoria, and so I don't see why people view it as a bad thing. Okay, it's a disorder. Why do people insist on harassing people for treating their disorder? This does of course happen with other mental illnesses and disorders too, but we'll not get into that. \n\nCan you explain how science says sex determines gender? Gender is how \"males\" and \"females\" are expected to act. Males act like \"men\", females act like \"women\". That's not science, it's how our society is. Unless you meant something different?",
"What does the left/right dichotomy have to do with this?",
"Yeah... For all we know, they're just bullshit.\n\nIt's a fact that self-report studies have validity problems. Patients may exaggerate symptoms in order to make their situation seem worse, or they may under-report the severity or frequency of symptoms in order to minimize their problems. Patients might also simply be mistaken or misremember the material covered by the survey.",
"THANK YOU!",
"Yet again, what political goals?",
"Always those damn Russians disagreeing with me.",
"Your mentality is your reality.",
"I have always found it interesting that the people who reject science the most. Use the argument in this picture. Yet these same people have no issues believing in an unseen being that created the universe.",
"I’m saying saying something as condescending as “pick up a pencil and drop it. *Boom* science!” Is as non intellectual as rain is proof of god. ",
"Its called mental illness",
"I.e. \nReligion ",
"When I read this I think of Trump. ",
"Source? ",
"In my opinion, I do do it with deserving subjects. And if you respect your right to question others beliefs, then you need to respect someone’s right to question your belief, even if that person has idiotic ideas. Without equality on this matter, who is *allowed* to question anything",
"> All a sign like this does is just circle-jerk all the people who already think like you do.\n\nYes, but mobilizing your side is very valuable.",
">I work in theoretical chemistry and my supervisor as well as peer reviewers are very strict about what we refer to as theory, model or method.\n\nSure, but do they use the same definition as the one you gave? Because usually people use \"theory\" as high-abstraction-description of what is going on, whereas model is more low-level, and also hypothesis. Hence the \"general theory of relativity\" was a theory even before it was tested. The theory of classical mechanics remains a theory even though it is inaccurate, particularly at high velocities. \n\nAlso I'm a bit disappointed that the \"American Association for the Advancement of Science\" cannot distinguish between gravity and evolution in terms of their epistemological status, shame on them. Their whole definition just reeks of value signaling.\n\nEdit: Fwiw I work in mathematics, but have worked with people from other sciences in the past. ",
"I’m sure you praise George W. Bush for saving us from the recession too.",
"So you are saying a group of people were not targeted for their beliefs? Thanks for proving my point.\n",
"Sexualities =/= Gender\n\n",
"True, but it's not evidence for anything either. It's a fairly vacuous phrase. ",
"Hmmm, I didn't think of that. In plenty of areas it is true that you can cherry-pick whatever sources you want to support your argument, including climate change. \n\nI suppose the best we can do is find the most credible sources for our information; and even that can be tricky nowadays, since people are willing to support whoever tells them what they want to hear...",
"Could literally have just put the definition of science on the sign and avoided the mess.",
"\"and her inability to pour ketchup\"",
"Pretty sure Obama admin caused the bank bailout ",
"Whatever you say transexual dinosaur",
"Consensus != truth",
"Cool story...are people against science?",
"Ok then. There are only 2 genders. ",
"Even though the main principle of science is that you are supposed to criticize it like nobodies business.\n\nThat is like saying you should not tell the artist asking your opinion that you dislike their work.",
"You do not know what faith is.",
"Galileo is rolling in his grave right now.",
"Except for science...",
"What has science ever done for me asks people posting from a computer on the Internet unaware of the irony",
"Yes that's true, but there are many instances where the ideas do progress us and many times it's up to liberals to get that idea moving so progress can happen.",
"Argument from arrogance.",
"I also see a problem with the assumption that if it is science then it must be right. Even consensus in science doesn’t mean something is right. \n\nI mean, at one point scientific consensus was that the world was flat. Until another theory popped up. ",
"Your inability to understand science is not an argument against it.",
">individual described their gender, with some **participants** reporting a gender identity different from the culturally defined, mutually exclusive categories of “man” or “woman” \n\nWhat's this fuckin' joke? xD\n\nYeah, so it means an attack helicopter as a gender is valid. Cool!",
"These words attracted me.",
"Rick and Morty is science.",
"Your inability to understand science is not an argument against it.",
"~~women~~ people ",
"There is certainly a lot more weight to one side's argument (re. climate change) from a greater number of credible sources. Now granted, that doesn't mean you should assume you are 100% correct for believing them, but it does mean you can be reasonably certain it is >50%. After all, if I say Mount Everest exists, I don't have a 50-50 chance of being correct. I mean, I've never seen it so I don't know for certain, but taking all available evidence I'm more than 50% sure.",
"That's cause you guys are assuming he's targeting everyone who denies science with that sign. He's not. He simply speaking out against the ones that deny it because they can't understand it.",
"...and EVIDENCE TRUMPS OPINION ",
"nah more just to prove how much of a jerk you seem to be",
"Yeah? Well, you know, that's just uh like, your opinion man.",
"Except it's not a 50-50 chance because they have made the decision to trust the scientific consensus. ",
"Myth busters I believe",
"Actually the quote came from a much older source. I believe it was a movie called Dungeonmaster (aka Ragewar). ",
"The scientologist can say no to anything. Anybody can ignore the meanings of words and just say no to anything. How are these comments here pointing out \"opponents can just say 'nope' getting upvoted?\n\n\"Well, people who disagree can just say 'nuh unh', how do you deal with that Mr. Smarty Pants?\"",
"It's just a theory but it's widely used in practice, so unless you have a better one which is idk what degree you have anyway are you a PhD you think you're fit to criticize scientific theories? ",
"What scientist? What studies are you referring to that says that shows experimental evidence for tons of different genders in humans? There are very few species where they’ve found that. This is like 1st Grade science.",
"I'm glad we can agree too. It's an interesting sight to see. It's almost like if more people talked to people with opposing viewpoints things could be worked out, but that's just not how people are. Liberals watch liberal media, conservatives watch conservative media, and each side thinks the other side is the worst thing imaginable. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing. It makes sense why governments have always divided the people, it works. ",
"What a terrible argument. That leads to anyone claiming their claim is science. It also doesn't even understand science itself. \"Science\" has become some kind of religion to some people. ",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"2 genders",
"Identity isn't biological. ",
"Is this why people think there are more than 2 sexes?... #science",
"FYI the theory of evolution is not science. ",
"Only, scientific consensus is reached when there is overwhelming evidence for something, if theres reasonable doubt as to the truth of something, based on our current understanding of science, then its unlikely a consensus will be reached, so generally, scientific consensus does equal truth, becuase of how it was reached. ",
"It also ignores the fact that even if something is right, the people that believe it don't necessarily understand it.\n\nSaying 'I believe in climate change' is not the same as understanding it. It's this sort of 'people who disagree are stupid and everyone who agrees is smart' that makes the political climate so divisive and impossible to actually discuss.",
"It also ignores the fact that even if something is right, the people that believe it don't necessarily understand it.\n\nSaying 'I believe in climate change' is not the same as understanding it. It's this sort of 'people who disagree are stupid and everyone who agrees is smart' that makes the political climate so divisive and impossible to actually discuss.",
"I saw this comment on the original post too.",
"I suppose we should just pull the cord on anyone in a coma. After all, the person in the coma has as many thoughts or feelings as a single blade of grass. Maybe, in a few weeks or months, it will turn back into a functioning brain, until then, you're just a piece of meat. Sorry! **pulls plug**\n\nEdit: And furthermore. If your basis for life is thoughts or feelings, then I would suppose you don't consider a newborn life either, just based on your logic. I don't remember \"thoughts\" or \"feelings\" until I was about 3 or 4 years old. So by your logic, if you could even call it that, I could be legally murdered from the ages of newborn infant, to three. \n\nYou see, when you talk this stuff out, it becomes much clearer. Now, go turn on Colbert, and think what you're told. ",
"Child genital mutilation isn’t funny. It’s extremely depressing and backwards.",
"There's a HUGE difference between bringing faith INTO science and \"believing in the possibility of a higher being\". I believe that there is some \"way\" to follow to be a good human being, call it religion if you will, but i dont consider it a religion. Just my \"guide\" when i have to make social and personal decisions. \n\nPeople who are against religion are usually so because these religious zealots want to influence other people with their religion. People who deny climate change because of religious reasons for example. Imagine what happens when someone brings religion into politics, like Trump, like Erdogan. You get a population who prefer to let religion make their political decisions.\n\nJust to throw it out: yes, there's people on places like /r/atheism who just shit on religion all together because they disagree with it and the people who dont even bring religion into other people's lives. These mouthbreathers are a minority, trust me.",
">You don't sway your opposition to follow your beliefs by belittling them or calling them stupid.\n\nI wish so badly that the Democrats would get this in time. Calling Trump supporters stupid is not going to convince anyone. It is all about angry people getting their rocks off with a cheap, quick jab. No one is being helped by having this attitude.",
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">Its called mental illness\n\nNo, it's called diversity of values. ",
"Ignorance is definitely not a choice. Not to say some people don't choose it of course. The problem with a near-infinite database of information with millions of sources is that...it's near infinite. There is a limit to how much you can know and learn, otherwise we would all be Brain surgeons performing surgery while sitting on our home made rocket ship, baking cakes in the oven we built into our hand made car, while solving complex equations and planning our horse riding trip that we're taking after our poetry recital. There is just too much information to know everything. This is why at some point you need to evaluate your choices and choose who to trust. You just need to keep an open mind and realise it's possible your choice is wrong.",
"> \"Your inability to grasp [Scientology] is not a valid argument against it\"\n\nWhat part of that is wrong? You not understandig Scientology is *indeed* not a valid argument against it.",
"It is if my reality is GOD",
"Yeah dick's trying to be the new gallowboob",
"The latter, however, is a phylosophical and not a scientific question. From context they were, however, trying to use science as an argument. ",
"The thing you need to remember about science is it should always be questioned and tested. The fact that something is \"science\" doesn't mean it is a settled truth for all time. Surgeons used to believe a gentleman's hands were never dirty, and the notion of needing to wash your hands before surgery was preposterous. That was the \"settled science\" of the time. It was the consensus. I'm sure there are many things believed today to be settled, that will later be proven wrong in the future. ",
"Gender was considered a synonym of sex in common usage until like 3 years ago. This is just made up.",
"The sign reads \"Your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it\" and then on the other side \"evidence trumps opinion\". \n\nTo the myriad comments in here harping on the incompleteness of the argument on the first side I think the second side rounds that point out pretty well.\n\nWhat separates the people that deny climate change from the majority is that they do not understand the scientific method. Scientists aren't simply happy to accept climate science as fact they are examining the available data and drawing conclusions based on that data and years and years of reading other people's well formed conclusions and the study of the immutable laws of nature in subjects like chemistry, physics, math, geology, etc etc. \n\nThis is the opposite of drawing conclusions based on guessing. And it rounds out the visible side of the sign as well. One's inability to grasp the scientific method is not a valid argument against it and the conclusions that are drawn from it. \n\nAlso [here's](https://www.skepticalscience.com/broken-hockey-stick.htm) some data and the most obvious [visual representation ](https://i.imgur.com/FTlJrVv.gif) that this is real. ",
"\"Source\" Bruce Jenner \n\nHe's just self deluded and has the masses of non thinking people deluded. If he tried to undress in the female locker room at my daughters local gym (and out plops his dong) we would sue him",
"That’ll show ‘em",
"You're welcome to analyze the self report studies mentioned to see if they didn't try to control for these things.",
"Except climate change is actually real...",
"Lol wut",
"1980-Acid Rain\n1990-Ozone Depletion\n2000-Global Warming\n2010-Climate Change\n\nDespite the warnings of doom and gloom, the solution always remained the same for Democrats. Massive punitive taxes, global redistribution of wealth (largely American wealth), and imposing government regulations.\n\nI can't wait to see what they come up with in 2020. Enjoy that beach house in Montecito Mr. Gore! Hopefully it doesn't end up under water in 2014 like you predicted. ",
"Hitler killed someone who killed millions of people.",
"> You do understand that the scientologist would say, \"sorry, no you don't.\"\n\nThat does not make it true though. You need to prove that your interlocutor does not understand it.",
"It's a repost too. Classic reddit.",
"To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand how Rick and Morty are science.",
"Gotta love people who dont grasp the difference between sexes (biological) and genders (social).",
"You think the only statements against the bible are against the old testament? The new testament also has dumb stuff in it. But then again I don't need to refer to the bible itself. I could just point out that countless other religions claim \"their god is real and all the others are false\", or bring up paradoxes that involve the properties people associate with god.\n\nAlso science has little to do with the god discussion as god is an invisible being that apparently doesn't like being tested, which honestly doesn't make sense if god actually cares about this world.",
"And manipulating data to fit the agenda of people who pay you.",
"> After all, the person in the coma has as many thoughts or feelings as a single blade of grass.\n\nWhat? No, a person in a coma is a complete human being with memories, thoughts, dreams and aspirations. Not to mention potentially people that know and love that person. If a person in a coma had a non-functioning brain we wouldn't say \"that person is in a coma\". We say: \"that person is dead\".",
"It's not even 97% of published research. They looked at 170 or so papers, decided if the author agreed with their incredible vague position (humans impact climate; I mean no shit, squirrels do, too) and threw ~60 papers into the \"neutral\" bin. The scientists openly shat on them when they published.",
"And weather over an extended period of time is climate. An areas measurable change in climate in a shorter than previously recorded time span is Climate Change. ",
"I IDENTIFY AS ATTACK HELICOPTER",
"I saw one and a study implies I can be an attack helicopter. WOW!",
"DAE:\n\n- Hate Trump?\n\n- Hate Christians?\n\n- Hate Republicans?\n\n- Hate Cops?\n\nDid I miss any?",
"Only two penises",
"Your inability to grasp chlorofluorocarbons is not a valid argument against them. ",
"Okay, that's definitely the most pathetic and disappointing comment I've seen today. At least try to understand the sentence you're criticizing, and consider reading the study it refers to.",
"No, I'm actually a biochem major, but I'll admit that I really like philosophy. I'm also agnostic in case you were wondering if I'm religious.\n\nI'm saying that the nature of the existence of God goes beyond empirical reasoning. Science is amazing for doing things like making airplanes or developing drugs. I'm saying the same process can't be applied for answering the question of the existence of God because it is too shallow of a process for that, but these new science followers seem to think it works fine.\n\nAgain, I love science and subscribe to no religion. I just think it's dangerous to put faith in things, including empirical reasoning.\n\nI also realize I might be slightly off topic. I'm a little tipsy and I love this type of discussion. ",
"Every time I see one of these posts the person holding the sign always has the same accomplished smirk on their face. Like all the endless brainstorming over clever catchphrases at Starbucks paid off. ",
"Correction, *this* is the most pathetic comment I've seen today. You came across as bigoted but at least *trying* to understand - but now you've just shown you're disgusting and a science denier. Fuck off.",
"What a single company does isn't relevant here, all they care about is profit. Why would they exclude a group from their platform and miss out on profit? \n\nSo i'll ask again.. Where do you see anybody saying anything about \"70 genders\" or promoting such nonsense?",
"This isn’t gender. This is gender expression. Just because you feel pretty one day doesn’t mean you magically switched genders. That would be a sexist and socially conservative way of conceiving what it means to be a woman.",
"I don't have to understand particle physics to believe it's a thing. I can trust the scientists who *do* understand it, and who research it on a daily basis. There is nothing wrong with that.",
"oh, don't get me wrong, i personally am interested in gender studies and linguistics too (computer science has surprisingly many linguistics-related topics). but those are things MANY people aren't interested at all, and i completely understand it. i personally don't give a fuck about biology for example. i mean sure, there are of course interesting things in the field, but i simply wouldn't invest much time in it and wouldn't start a conversation about it. it's exactly like one of the upper comments in the chains said, i may read 2 paragraphs about something and think to myself \"heh.. neat\" and that's it. \n\n//i'm obviously talking about biology beyond elementary stuff.",
"The point I’m making is that chicken Little’s crying about the sky falling are perfectly happy believing (erroneously) that science supports their position. But if scientists said that there is only two genders, their SJW colleagues would lose their minds. So science is unarguable, except when it negates liberal logic like transgender weirdness.",
"Gotta love people who dont grasp the difference between sexes (biological) and genders (social).",
"How many of them threaten you?",
"\"Science doesn't have all the answers! Therefore, I choose not to believe in it.\"\n\nMeanwhile...\n\n\"God works in mysterious ways...\"",
"There are 2 genders. That is all.",
"Gotta love people who dont grasp the difference between sexes (biological) and genders (social).",
"So if \"memories\" are a basis for being a complete person, can I legally murder someone with permanent long-term memory loss? ",
"Yet the left seems to hate biology..... Anything to bash Trump though, blazing hypocrisy be damned, agendas need to be pushed.",
"Arguing against science is the foundation upon which science progresses. All arguments are valid.",
"He literally in his own words denies climate change. Try again. And what the fuck do you mean we wouldn’t “have science” without industry? You sound incredibly locked up inside your echo chamber. ",
"They dont listen to imaginary people in your head.",
"Hahaha! If this helps, I agree that sex has a strong direct relationship with gender.",
"Gotta love people who dont grasp the difference between sexes (biological) and genders (social).",
"Love the girl arguing with Ben Shaprio about it\n\nfat feminist snob - \"Why can't girls be in the boyscouts? Where does it say that?\" (implying that it's a boy in a girls body, blah blah w/e)\n\nBen - \"In the name BOYSCOUTS\"\n\nThe nerve of some people...",
"Just be an expert at source criticism and you're set.",
"That would have to be literally hearing sth for the very first time and immediately picking a side. That’s not realistic though. Whether you believe in global warming or vaccines cause autism, chances are you didn’t make up your mind and refuse to change it before hearing *any* of the arguments.",
"Gotta love people who dont grasp the difference between sexes (biological) and genders (social).",
"What's your source on it being a mental illness?\n\nAlso from what you said, does that mean that we should punish those who are mentally ill? You know, like mentally handicapped people?",
"Read the PDF and/or fuck off. I'm not wasting my time on you.",
"Exactly. And we have to remember **it is okay to be ignorant**. \n\nEveryone is. I don’t know everything and there are many subjects that I am ignorant on. For example, building a car, understanding complex sciences (beyond a general basic understanding), ancient history, etc. \n\nThere are many many subjects that I can say “I really don’t know about that” and it’s okay being a regular person, I don’t have to know or feel embarrassed by my ignorance. I’m happy to learn new things. \n\nIt’s when people are *willfully ignorant* where they flat-out refuse to learn new information that challenges their bias that becomes a problem. \n\nWe need to get back to a place where it’s okay to be wrong and not know everything. People put so much stock into their appearances that their ego cannot handle being challenged. \n\nIt’s annoying and not helping our society grow & progress. ",
"Yep, so the snowstorm was weather and Gore still is a fool. Remember his prediction about the North Pole being ice free?",
"It is pretty clearly intended to campaign against Trump, and if you do a google image search on it you find some twitter posts tagged as #sciencemarch.",
"Pinterest.\n\nWhatever look you're seeing. It's of little value to the self accomplished.",
"> Dungeonmaster\n\nPerhaps you'd know it under the title \"Ragewar: The Challenges of Excalibrate\"?",
"Yes. If you swap science for the bible in photoshop i am sure it would get some traction as well. ",
"Are the strawman feminists in your head talking to you again?",
"All that study is evidence of is that there are still people in government who are willing to take advantage of racism, and that there are some stupid enough to buy what they're selling.",
"No, because they are only a small part of that person.\n\nMy point is, that an unborn baby has nothing that defines a person.",
"In all fairness, although this is true, it is also true that lack of understanding should never be the cause for you to discard anything, scientology included. If you inform yourself in an unbiased manner, and make your own opinion, then you can argue against it properly.",
"We have people locked up for believing they are something that they are not, where do you draw the line? ",
"^^^^This^^^^ I can just imagine the Christian boners.",
"Tesla went back in time and called himself Odin or Zeus, pick *one*.",
"The other side of the sign reads: \"Evidence Trumps Opinion\" which is probably a better message. ",
"Does the exact opposite by adding a mythological quality to scientific knowledge, where only \"certain\" people can understand it aka a priesthood.",
"https://www.babycentre.co.uk/x1049485/can-my-baby-hear-if-i-read-and-play-music-to-my-bump\n\nYa know, it seems to me like a baby in the womb is more cognizant than say, you.\n\nAny way you slice this argument my friend, you are wrong. ",
"Just because you say you're something doesn't mean you are. You can't get offended and defend the people that do get offended when you visually can see them as a FEMALE, right in front of your eyes, and don't call them by their specified \"pronouns.\" I don't have to change the way that life has been lived for millenia, just because of a few butthurt people that think they're something they're not.",
"The big difference being that science is based on tangible, reproducible, peer reviewed facts... Unlike <insert any religion or personal creed here>",
"\"Just\" a consensus? \"Proven with the scientific method\"? I'd say this is why you should have paid attention in high school, but I'm guessing my tensing is wrong on that.",
"Its some of the best penmanship i seen on a poster board.",
"Science is basically a process of making models of the world and then testing them to see if they hold up. As such science is correct(most of the time), because the instant someone shows it to be incorrect it ceases to be science.\n\nYou are talking about the phenomenon known as sciencism, where just because it is written by some scientist at some point people think it is true - which completely ignores the whole peer review and repeated testing requirements.",
"My mother, who initially planned to have me in Brazil, until she found out about this. Of course, that was years ago so it may have changed since then. Additionally there are some articles I found on the subject, though they seems to only suggest that women were affected. Search \"Brazil\" in these two articles:\n\nhttp://www.sfaw.org/newswire/2014/11/13/bill-gates-and-the-anti-fertility-agent-in-african-tetanus-vaccine/\n\nhttps://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/10/25/prominent-scientist-warns-of-hpv-vaccine-dangers.aspx",
"Bruce Jenner is not a scientific source. \n\nAnd ok? Why would you sue someone who's changing in a locker room? Unless it's illegal for him to be in that so said locker room, and he molested your child, you have no right to sue him.\n\n",
"Aside from fingerprints and a heartbeat, but hey, you do you slick.",
"https://i.imgur.com/Mtdcy.gif",
"Yourr irrational obsession with science is not an argument for it. It's called scientism and its unhealthy.",
"Yeah that wasn't a comprehensive definition of course. In regards to things like the big bang, we can observe evidence and this evidence can be observed repeatedly, so it wasn't just once. The big bang itself as an event obviously cannot be observed, but all the evidence leading to the theory like the cosmic background radiation can be observed and measured repeatedly.",
"What the hell is going on here? Did Tumblr leak into here?",
"Truth. \n\nThere are only two genders.",
"Thanks ",
"Can we build nuclear plants yet or are you still too busy cleansing the toxins and paying 4x as much as you need to for food at Whole Foods, Mr. Science?",
"r/flatearthsociety",
"There are 2 genders ",
"If funny because, the people that hold up these signs are the same people that say “you can kill a fetus (abort it) because it’s not really alive” ",
"Sometimes I wonder if we've really taken the wrong tack with science education. There's a lot of people out there who say they love science. But by \"science\" they mean CGI videos of space with a soothing baritone narrator. They couldn't describe what dependent and independent variables are, what the difference between a hypothesis and a theory is, or even really give a high level description of the scientific method in general. ",
"Science can also be heavily skewed. Former PhD candidate here. If you don’t think investigators are biased towards their own research or might have questionable/sloppy methods...you’re delusional ",
"Did I misspell something? What don’t you understand?",
"Projecting into the future requires modelling..a very incomplete science, to simply extend the graph along the same trajectory and call it science is hardly the scientific method, its dodgy enough doing it backwards to the bigbang...increase co2 and then figure in an almost infinite number of variables to achieve the prediction...beyond us at the moment because we are doing far worse than guessing so far.",
"I'd love to but then I'll have the goddamn flu. So **YOU** get your goddamn flu shot and help me out with herd immunity. \n\nSeriously, please do this. ",
"The rear says: \"Evidence Trumps Opinion\"",
"Is it just me or does her face look green?",
"Jesus was also known for flipping tables on occasion. ",
"It's a protest, not a debate or a presentation. The purpose of her sign is to say, \"This is the issue we're upset about.\" It's effectively doing that. ",
"This is why free speech requires something of a conversation to be of any use.\n\nI think [ideology] is stupid. I have a few good reasons. If people from [ideology] can't have a good faith discussion but need to stick their fingers in their ears (omg, don't talk about Xeno, that's so dangerous to talk about!) then I'm happy writing them off as willfully ignorant.",
"Most of that modern feminist stuff is completly unscientific is the stupid part. There is evidence that gender can be different than sex, but no evidence that there are more than two genders, and there certainly isn't evidence that an \"ornate expansive building\" is a gender identity.",
"Is the debate centered on it's reality or in questions like: Can we stop it? Should we try to? Is there any benefit to be gained from it? I don't believe I've seen any good answers to those questions. \n\nI don't know your stance on it, but assuming that climate change is bad, is assigning a moral value to a scientific fact. That's not science, that's in my opinion, debatable.",
"Your inability to understand science is not a valid argument against it",
"Actually, I am happy to admit I’m ignorant, because with many complex subjects, I am. \n\nHonestly, people need to set aside their egos a bit. If someone gets huffy and butthurt over a scientist using “big words” and other “elitists are bad, hurr durr” nonsense, that’s on them. \n\nAnd scientists explaining their findings =/= telling people they are dumb. \n\nAgain, that falls on the ignorant person’s fragile ego and not the fault of the scientists, imho. \n\nThey need to be willing to learn and they need to get over themselves to do so. No one knows everything and that’s nothing to be embarrassed about. ",
"Scientology isn't peer reviewed.",
"That statement *should still be true* no matter what you swap in. One should be able to explain knowledge ood something they have an opinion about -- not necessarily in-depth, masterful knowledge, but at least enough to argue why [subject] is good or bad. ",
"I think it’s a reflection from whatever is on the other side of the sign.\n\nI don’t know",
"Precisely the point I was making in the comment further down, saying \"I'm just saying that imagining you feel what a pretty woman feels is not only projecting but sexist.\"",
"I agree 100%",
"My second major was Philosophy for fun and thats how Faith was presented in every class.\n\nAlso look up Faith in the dictionary \n\"strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.\"\n\nI don't know everything, so what does \"faith\" mean then? is the dictionary wrong as well?",
"All depends on what the question is.",
">We have people locked up for believing they are something that they are not, where do you draw the line?\n\nClearly you draw it somewhere, or else you'll have to lock everybody up. You've never met someone who thought they were smarter/better looking/sportier than they are? You think those people are literally insane?",
"So why do we have so many idiots on redddit who insist there are more than two genders?",
"Gotta love the people who think that social science are just as good as hard science.",
"You liberals are something else. It would take something actually offensive to offend me. We aren't all soft snow flakes brother.",
"The difference is that with science you can grasp it if you study enough, with scientology there's nothing to grasp",
"Still seems a bit alarming how small of a wedge non-military and non-healthcare science is. ",
"I mean, that happens, but it's not identical with science in general. You know that. I understand the cynicism tho",
"Which is itself the product of a majority.\n\n'Consensus' is the worst reason to agree with something. Everything society had previously believed and turned out to be untrue was at one stage the consensus.",
"I love that line so much.",
"You're literally dismissing hard science because you don't like the politics of it RIGHT NOW, and you don't see the irony? ",
"Why say facts like 'here is a paradox against christianity' if you can subjectively say 'which honestly doesn't make sense if god actually cares about this world'?\n\nI also love science and seeing things from a third person",
"Crystal spheres holding up the planets was a theory beyond reproach at the time.",
"No, he denied the legitimacy of global warming since it was used as a cash cow back during the Bush elections. Al Gore was one of its perpetrators.\n\n>And what the fuck do you mean we wouldn’t “have science” without industry?\n\nIsn't it obvious? Where do you think all the high tech scientific research equipment comes from? Manufacturers, AKA INDUSTRY.",
"Why is it a matter of being threaten? I thought that was not relevant to science.",
"What is a PhD *candidate?*\n\nSounds delusional.",
"Calling them idiots doesn’t help, but some people who can be very obtuse to the point of willful ignorance have a tendency to frustrate even the most patient people.\n\nIt’s one thing to think something is wrong, because it’s not factual. And another thing to think something is wrong because “liberal news.”",
"Reality Check !",
"Failure is always the default.",
"And people who understand it still think it's wrong! I had some of my most brilliant biochemistry professors give very good arguments against human caused climate change. Most scientists (especially teachers) ALWAYS encourage questioning the status quo. Especially things that are blown up by the media . ",
"https://xkcd.com/1732/",
"2 scoops?",
"Ha... yeah tell a “social” transgendered “female” that everyone including “her” knows “she’s” still a male and watch what happens. For the record I could not care less what sex you want to be, what you pretend to be or what you tell people you are, but it doesn’t change the fact that you’re a male because you were born with a penis. And I’ll bake a fucking cake and sell it to anyone with cash. ",
"He completely missed the joke",
"Agreed",
"\"Your inability to grasp God is not a valid argument against Him!\"",
"Unless science is a hoax!",
"Apparently unpopular opinion: This sign is correct.\n\nTalk to any creationist, anti-vaxxer, flat-earther, ect.",
"Are you purposely ignoring my point? Your finger prints or your heart beat are not you. Your interests, opinions, experiences, etc. are you. A baby has none of that. \n\n> https://www.babycentre.co.uk/x1049485/can-my-baby-hear-if-i-read-and-play-music-to-my-bump\n\nThat only describes how the brain already creates a library of familiar sound-patterns. It's one of the most fundamental functions that run all the time. The brain does that on its own without using any cognition. Cognition isn't even fully developed in the born baby.\n\n \n> Any way you slice this argument my friend, you are wrong. \n\nCan you please stop being this ironic?",
"They've embraced a group who've titled themselves 'Anti-Facist' and yet the only thing they accomplish is attack people and destroy public property.",
"Why not all three? ",
"As a Christian, I agree with this lol. Pisses me off when people make their own arguments out of thin air",
"Which scientists are those? Did they splice together a new sex chromosome?",
"Phew people will finally accept that there really is only two genders. ",
"you can explain why someones wrong without calling them an idiot",
"“Science” is a way to wave your hand and win an argument.",
"That moment their reality differs so much from yours that the law of equivalent exchange is violated, ripping a hole in space-time. \n \n(Just like when the Elric brothers thought that common ingredients and an understanding of alchemy can bring back their mom(it doesn't). They end up going on a life changing adventure and end up right back where they started, but this time they understand reality.)",
"Honestly, as a scientist, most people don't grasp science. They argue from a basis of what they read instead of what they understand. It's exactly the same as most Christians.",
"2 genders",
"Hey man... coming up with a pithy sentence to encapsulate those complex ideas is no mean task",
"LOL! Wasting your time, your ass.",
"Did you literally just say genders are social ? On a science thread ? \n.........\n\n\nHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAA",
"Don’t people have spell check activated?\n\nI mean you can even edit comments, people really should check their spelling.",
"People like this sign holder irritate me to no end. ",
"You still didn’t dispute the science part, so I’ll take it",
"Not everyone has to be smart tho, as an average joe you just need to be smart enough to distinguish who should be more trustworthy. Hell no one will have time or resources to do their own research on everything. If someone fail sto choose between renowned scientists or some people who upload some youtube videos telling you how everything is a hoax may actually be stupid.",
"You are literally looking at data plotted over 1000 years and a link to the full article, read it please. This is also not the only article on climate change, there are lots of articles and papers based on actual research data.\n\nAnd you're making arguments based on nothing but preconceived notions and your own opinions which are subjective by nature and do not serve to prove anything. Unless you're one of those \"climate change is a hoax by the governments of the world in order to brainwash us to submit to their new world order\" idiots and in that case don't even bother. Seriously, I don't get how y'all even think that.\n\nAnd in your original comment you mentioned \"emotions\" I wonder how emotions link to his tweet about extreme weathers and climate change hmm.\n\nIt's up to you to believe the data but even if you don't you need not be a dick about it.\n\nYou belong to r/iamverysmart",
"there are also many things you can understand but disagree with. its lazy to assume everyone with a different view point literally can't fathom what the opposing argument is.",
"Much like all of the devisive posts on Facebook every day that get likes from everyone who already holds that opinion, and changes the minds of absolutely no one who doesn't.",
"Real MVP",
"Is biology science? Wanna bet that woman doesnt believe in 2 genders",
"Whataboutism",
"Can anyone read the faded, backwards writing? I can make out \"Trumps Opinion\", but i can quite make out the first word",
"If you're dumb and don't understand something, there's an easy fix to that, not hard to research things when Google exists. I agree with your point tho",
"I agree with your sense of the issues. I don't understand what someone identifying as a dragon has to do with gender identity either. Trans-gender literally implies that there are two genders, and you are switching between them. If they're arbitrary and socially constructed, then no one would ever feel a biologically/genetically originated dysphoric sensation of being in the wrong body, which is what transgenderism is, to my knowledge - a persistent sense of being in the wrong body, feeling like your brain and personality are distinctly female or male from the time of birth, contrary to your sex.",
"I agree. There are only two genders.",
"Any scientist's ability to grasp science is equally not a valid argument for it.\n\nScience has caused more corruption of the planet than all religions ever. And this coming from an atheist.\n\nHowever, since this is Circlejerk City, aka Reddit, i'll expect the downvotes from the visionless scientists to come in thick and fast.",
"Yeah! One of the things school taught me was there were 2 genders! Very helpful distinction if you ask me",
"It's 2018, we don't try debate or discourse anymore, we just call the other side stupid.",
"Evidence trumps opinion ",
"Can we just send this sign straight to the white house?",
"I like her handwriting",
"I mean, race theory was the primary basis of the Holocaust. Dunno why you're getting defensive, when Hitler is exactly who you're representing. ",
"I think there's an issue with people wanting to turn everything into something they either believe in or don't believe in. Using your example, climate change is one of those issues that doesn't need, and really shouldn't have that kind of stance... Turning something like that into a battle of beliefs creates sides that people can argue over. When it comes to climate change, people only really need to fall into a few categories (I know this is way oversimplified) - do you know about climate change and what it is, or do you not know anything about it, and do you understand it or not. All of those categories allow us to move forward so we can make progress towards fixing the problems that are causing climate change.\n\nI just don't understand how people can side with ignorance and blame it on their beliefs.",
"> This was actually the grounds for one of the studies listed in the parent comment's paper (Coleman, E., Colgan, P., & Gooren, L. (1992). Male cross-gender behavior in Myanmar (Burma)) and it's completely mistaken as a methodology. They are assuming that a person's \"feminine\" behavior automatically infers identity.\n\nHow did you get that at all?\n\n>Cross-gender behavior in Myanmar (formerly Burma) is reported. Western concepts of transsexualism, gynemimesis, transvestism, and homosexuality are not distinct categories by the Burmese. Males with cross-gender behavior are referred to as acaults. Although Myanmar is a profoundly Buddhist society, the people still have strong animistic beliefs with an elaborate system of 37 nats (spirit gods). One of these nats is a female named Manguedon who may take possession of males and impart femininity on them. The cross-gender status of the acaults is sanctioned by their spiritual marriage to Manguedon. The acaults, while not envied, are respected for their roles\" as shamans and seers. \n\n>...\n\n>[We] interview[ed] five acault in their respective homes in Mandalay. (Three representative interviews are reported below.) We also participated in a spirit festival where we observed many more acault performing their ceremonial tasks in the presence of the local community. \n\nThey clearly identify as acault.",
"Nice stereotype.\n\nI don't assume that all pro-Trump voters are pussy-grabbing, climate change-denying, xenophobic rednecks.",
"sperm + egg = human life. Neither is considered human without the other.\n\nThis is basic science.",
"Inability to tell the difference between science and propaganda doesn't turn propaganda into science.",
"Well if god is invisible and doesn't like being tested, then he probably doesn't want to be found, if he doesn't want to be found the question is why - if belief in god is required for heaven and god is good, then god would make himself known beyond a shadow of a doubt, even if that wasn't the case he would have a moral imperative to prevent deaths, cure illnesses, maybe to actually pass on his knowledge.\n\nBut instead god doesn't show himself, to the point that it seems like he is simply not getting involved in stuff. So he clearly has little interest in our planet, which is contradictory to the christian notion of god.",
"What a classist view of things. Poor people have trouble understanding science?",
"Its lack of evidence on the other hand...",
"TWO.\n\nGENDERS.",
"There’s no need to wonder where your god is. He’s right here! *And he’s fresh out of mercy.*",
"\"I believe race is a demonstrably real biological fact.\"\n\"That means I want to genocide everyone who isn't exactly like me!\"\n\nThat's a pretty huge fucking jump. ",
"The sign doesn't \"actually\" say that at all. That's your imagination.\n\nThat could possibly be the attitude of the person who wrote the sign, but it's not what the sign says. \n\n",
"Has anyone ever noticed how the vast majority of people out there \"marching for science\" are from liberal arts backgrounds? Always struck me as a bit hilarious... Not saying I know anything about this particular picture, but noticing a general trend among the \"just trust science\"-ey folks at events in my area. ",
"That site looks like a cartoon...do you really read that?",
"how do you even... fuck it nvm",
"Virtues signaled.",
"Like the \"scientifically trained\" therapist I once went to who blamed a glitch in my cell phone (when I incorrectly scheduled an appointment) as being \"one of many issues with electronic devices this week because of the position of the planet Mercury relative to the sun and the Earth, since Mercury is the controlling force governing all electromagnetic forces in our solar system.\"",
"But this assumes the people on the other side of the argument are open to gentle, kind and patient reasoning. Signs like this are not just a response to relatives at thanksgiving talking shit; it’s the result of people all the way up to the president of the US spouting anti science, religiose nonsense because it fits with their politics and faith. People at rallies are generally angered at something - do you expect ‘Down with this sort of thing’ on their signs?\n",
"I'd guess that most people period are from liberal arts backgrounds compared to the sciences. Could be wrong . ",
"Omfg how many times am I going to see the stupid picture of this sign at the top of Reddit?",
"HAHA!",
"Your inability to tell when you are being lied to doesn't mean I need to believe the lies.",
"The basic laws of physics are still under investigation as there are many unsolved problems.",
"So let me ask you this. \n\nTwo scenarios.\n\n1: You're walking down the street and you see a woman, clearly pregnant, smoking a cigarette and drinking a beer. She's on the phone and says, \"I sure can't wait to have my baby.\"\n\n2: You're walking down the street and you see a woman, clearly pregnant. She's on the phone and says, \"I don't think I can have this baby, the abortion is next Wednesday\"\n\nHow do you internally react to each situation and why?",
"Seriously who needs science, just legalise weed in Australia.",
"And these weather changes are happening more frequently than ever and this will be factored into climate in the long term and there **will** be climate change.",
"You should consider a name change bud",
"\"Unfortunately we can't be sure that anything supposedly passed down to us by God is actually from him, or hasn't been changed or distorted in some way. Especially with that Satan guy trying to trick people and screw everything up. So you'll still probably have to figure out all the answers for yourself.\"",
"Your inability to spell restaurant is not a valid argument against spelling.",
"Maybe if you offered an explanation with facts instead of just posting a provocative statement you might get a different response.",
"When science is politicized, how can you argue from the \"right\" point? \n\nMayonnaise is not a gender. ",
"Actually, transitioning does not improve suicide rates or depression.\n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth",
"Have a good day man. Trying to troll someone smarter than you won't work. In your case, I would suggest not trying to troll anyone.",
"Flat earthera take note ",
"Heat capacity isn't the resistance to the movement of heat. ",
"Its more because arguments against science as so puerile. There is seldom an intelligent argument against science.\nThat seperates it from arguments about other things.\n\n",
"Episode of what? That quote has been around for decades.",
"No",
"Comes from an article about how all the White House guests, at dinner, received one scoop of ice cream. President Trump received two, and the media reacted.\n\n>The waiters know well Trump’s personal preferences. As he settles down, they bring him a Diet Coke, while the rest of us are served water, with the Vice President sitting at one end of the table. With the salad course, Trump is served what appears to be Thousand Island dressing instead of the creamy vinaigrette for his guests. When the chicken arrives, he is the only one given an extra dish of sauce. At the dessert course, he gets two scoops of vanilla ice cream with his chocolate cream pie, instead of the single scoop for everyone else. The tastes of Pence are also tended to. Instead of the pie, he gets a fruit plate.",
"Actually they’ve found that transitioning does not tend to improve suicide rates or depression.\n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2004/jul/30/health.mentalhealth",
"Ok... Cool?",
"Except when it comes to gender etc lol",
"Future Engineer? Work on your spelling first kid.",
"But it's still truth. The truth hurts",
"All these leftists are so tolerant and they just want to talk. Someone may want to suggest to them that the best way to start discourse is not to call out the other side's \"inability to grasp\" a concept. ",
"As a fellow scientist I agree with your first point. There is a need for arguments based on appeal to authority even though that is a logical fallacy. I am not a political scientist so I rely on journalists and pundits to analyze what's happening and interpret it. I am not an economist so I rely on economists to analyze and interpret for me. I believe that politicians and economists should do the same for scientists that understand more than they do about subjects. I don't see any other way for it to work. But how does a person with no understanding even begin to select the specialists that they trust? \n",
"Wow great pic! THIS ISNT FUCKING INSTAGRAM. Put a picture up not a bunch of words ",
"You think she’s talking about climate or gender here? :P",
"the irony of this being on le rebbity bebbity\n\nglobal warming isn't a bad thing; Co2 is plant food",
"There's 3 if you count attack helicopters ",
"Sonic the Hedgehog is too fast, how is that not a valid argument? Unless you are referring to the drive in restaurant chain that is. In that case, it's more of an inability to digest. ",
"I believe in evidence and the scientific method.\n\nFor instance, we have not experienced anymore hurricanes nor have they been stronger since the 1800s....so with all this CO2 why aren’t we getting more hurricanes and stronger hurricanes?\n\nhttp://www.nhc.noaa.gov/climo/images/AtlanticStormTotalsTable.pdf\n\nWe have all these forecasting models....can you point me to the most accurate model? By now, we have all this data and our forecasts should be spot on. We should be able to go back to 1980s data plug it in and produce 2017 results...shouldn’t we? Sadly, they have to keep changing the models because the science is not settled.",
"Fake News!",
"“I don’t understand science so it’s easier not to believe in it.” - Comedian Nate Bargatze ",
"Yeah, a lot of Redditors believe themselves to be a lot smarter than they really are. Kind of weird, honestly. I mean imagine saying that if you believe people with brown hair exist, that means you want to kill all brown haired people. Or if you think hair color is genetic, it means you want to kill people with different colored hair than you. I mean really, what goes through these peoples heads where they make that kind of leap? ",
"Is this based on racial genomes or hereditary? ",
"Did you know humans came up with the term \"mental illness\", why do you believe in mental illnesses but not groma? After all somebody just came up with the term because of how people felt. Btw, if you want take the message in the OP to heart, why are you continually classifying transness as a mental illness when modern psychology doesn't hold that view?",
"Yea because in 25,000 years when its 2°C warmer due to climate cycles, the environment will be flourishing due to your vegan diet lol Thanks for making such a difference!\n\nI'm not Christian any longer, I was raised Catholic, however. I understand that you don't believe, but talking about different perspectives is good. So of course there is something to be discussed. Whether you arr following it or not, some of the key principles hold true for whoever you are.",
"well when a paper is unintelligible I reject it.\nalso the monetary and tax system. the very fact of being so complicated is a signal something is wrong",
"If humans come from monkeys why are they still monkeys?¿?",
"The original argument didn't have anything to do with oxygen though, just a vague implication that there is settled science which shouldn't be disputed.",
"What a field day for the heat /\nA thousand people in the street /\nSinging songs and carrying signs /\nMostly saying, \"hooray for our side\"\n\nIt's time we stop /\nHey, what's that sound? /\nEverybody look - what's going down? (Stephen Stills - 1966)",
"Checkmate sillies :DDDDD",
"This would mean every parent needs to get a degree in immunology before deciding whether to get their kids vaccinated.\n\nIt's ok to trust your pediatrician about vaccines. It's ok to trust [97% of climate scientists.](https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/)",
"WTF is all the \"2 gender\" shit in here? Brigading like bots",
"Yes, clearly that is a fair comparison. It's not like Trump just waived the punishment for convinced banks despite promising to \"drain the swamp\". I'm sure Trump has a plan to make Mexico pay for the wall despite now asking Congress to do it. All of the unfilled cabinet positions are really just evidence of Trump's discerning choosiness, none of his picks have ever been exposed as complete novices in their hearings and humiliated so badly they feel the need to resign. His staff has shown they respect him. There's never been any drama or fallout with those closest to him, and certainly all of them only speak of him in the highest regard behind closed doors. The Russian investigation is going nowhere. There has been no indictments and the administration certainly isn't acting in a way that makes them look like they're running scared. Trump is a totally stable genius who certainly is showing no signs of senility.\n\n\n\n\n\n/S",
"Your inability to grasp that the earth is flat is not a valid argument against it.... anyone can do this...",
"Based on what? Your belief? Do you realize you sound religious? ",
"But.... but a biological male is a male. Why do they throw that sign away when they talk about transgenderism?",
"People are taught this stuff all throughout school. They either don't learn it because they don't care, or forget it because they don't use it. ",
"I think it's you people who have the mental illness. Just look at the state of yourself. Obsessed. ",
"This should be said to every transgender and binary dumbass in the world. Objective science will always beat subjective pseudoscience.",
"Lol i thought you guys were qouting some anime fight scene",
"Yes, women are people. *I didn't think that was up for debate.*",
"Your ~~inability~~ unwillingness to grasp science \n \nFTFY",
"its a good argument against flat earthers tho",
"*waves hand* Jedi do not exist...",
"in this moment, god is a euphoric invisible being",
"You can at least look at the study objectively and argue via facts and reasoning. I’m not taking a position, but your argument is really weak.",
"https://atomiks.github.io/reddit-user-analyser/#Barrrcode\n\nHey /u/Barrrcode why don't stable genius like you tell me about gynocentrism and explain why MGTOWs just don't fucking go and instead bitch about women all the time when you are at it?",
"Me too thanks",
"I think Trump's economic speeches were quite accessible to English speakers. Economics professors have shown difficulty absorbing the 2018 Trump data but further lectures / retraining may help them to get up to speed with normal people. There is hope to mainstream the academics into the normal population if we give them enough support.",
"Your inability to grasp God is not a valid argument against it...see what I did there? ",
"> A divide between people who are sceptical of research with a possible agenda.\n\nWhy would it create a divide between them? I'm myself sceptical of plenty of climate science and I see no problem with the sign. This sign seems aimed at people like the politician who thought bringing a snowball into congress disproved the theory of global warming. Firstly those people *are* stupid, willfully so, and secondly I don't see a problem with either pointing that out or being on the other side of a divide with them. I also think it's naive to expect genuine discussion from them. They've already shown a total lack of interest in genuine discussion with their attitude towards science. ",
"Someone figure out what the back says ",
"Mythbusters is what popularized the quote, but it originates from the movie The Dungeonmaster which reworded a similar phrase from an episode of Doctor Who. ",
"What do you mean there are only two genders?!",
"Absolutely. I also believe that Americans can't possibly come from Europeans since there are still Europeans. I think Americans have always been there and the colonization theory is just propaganda by the Illuminati. ",
"Fucking wogs... ^/s",
"Fucking heretic",
"Lol in an alternate dimension you had something constructive to say I'm sure.",
"Just because you're a jew, doesn't mean you can't support the principal of race theory. I'm not saying I'm intelligent. I'm saying that you're supporting an idiotic and backward ideology that's not even in scientific discussion anymore because of clear evidence against it. ",
"Lmfao 40k+ karma. I feel like you perfectly summed up why people are upvoting this garbage.\n\nJust look at the ladies smug look lol. She's like GOT'EM, they don't get science, they probably don't even watch rick and morty. ",
"Found on the Road Dead, proves my point! /s",
"I don't know when it originated, but they started using the footage of that episode in the intro after Adam said it. ",
"If god cared he would at the very least let people know which religion is the correct one so people can stop fighting over it.",
"Because the Republicans need voters.",
"Suicide rates matched only by schizophrenics.... Hmmmm. ",
"You seem to not understand the difference between weather and climate",
"That word gets easier if you split it to the component words; *bureau*, as in \"Federal Bureau of Investigation\" (FBI); and *-cracy* as in \"democracy\". Bureaucracy literally means rule of the bureaus. \n\nAs for why bureau is spelled so weird, that's because of the French.",
"You are now a moderator of r/atheism",
"I completely agree with you, but on the other hand, some things in science aren't even up for debate, yet there's so many tinfoil hats trying to debate it.\n\nWhat I'm trying to say is: You're not wrong, but it's hard to adhere to that when people are genuinely being stupid and/or ignorant.",
"Same for games, really.",
"I really wouldn't bother wasting your time with *any* of the commenters talking about gender in this thread. I mean it's completely unrelated to the original post, it's just being used as a stereotype to attack anyone who doesn't like Trump.\n\nThey're mostly teenagers and trolls who either don't understand the differences between the biological, the psychological, and the social, or they're deliberately being obtuse.\n\nI nearly responded to a comment talking about how \"real scientists\", i.e. people who aren't social scientists, don't recognise the concept of gender. I'm a mathematician who works with physicists and computer scientists fairly regularly. But I thought, nah. Not worth it.",
"Evidence trumps opinion",
"Tide goes in, tide goes out. You can't explain that.",
"Science is an religion to people who cannot grasp it for what it actually is, something that is malleable and something that changes with time and technology. \n\nWhen you look at science that way it takes away from the validity of it. Science is one big contradiction. But it's a necessary one. Without it you would not be sitting on whatever it is you are to be commenting on Reddit. \n\nScience makes up everything you cannot deny that. ",
"I agree.",
"This is equally as silly. \"Science\" is a process not an objective set of facts. Conclusions made from using that process are supported with evidence and often times closer to the truth, but findings from using that process have the potential to be equally as incorrect as things that arr just postulated. Im not saying that it is reasonable to deny things that have been tested 100s of times and reviewed by 1000s, but just throwing out the word science doesnt mean anything.",
"\"Meow\"\n\nThe most intense quote from the series.",
"I won't even argue with those kind of people anymore. It's pointless. \n\nSomehow they were able to become adults while absolutely convinced that make-belief and wishful thinking are every bit as valid as actual science. ",
"When will the 'cat ladies holding signs that say some stupid bullshit about science or pop culture' meme be over",
"Absolutely. Skepticism is the essence of scientific thought. \n\nOccasionally, skeptics are proven correct. The earth is probably not flat, but if aliens of sufficient technology are playing a funny trick on us, the earth could be flat. We may all be in the matrix. There are plenty of things that are probably not true, but might be true. Nothing in science is immune to inquiry, except (very arguably), proved theorems. Although plenty of \"proofs\" have been shown to be incorrect over time. One example is the Four Color Theorem.",
"So when people like you will try to forbid people to masturbate then?",
"There are karma whores making irl $ for selling shit accounts.",
"Inbreeding results in poor genetics.",
"In space evidently.",
"Monkeys can't vote man that's stupid.",
"~~Society can’t help itself but tell women what to do~~ People can’t help themselves but tell people what to do, regardless of sex/gender. Do you understand? ",
"Because people were told they should care about so they don't pay attention to real issues.",
"Flashbacks of AO Abriged right here!",
"KABOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM",
"> \"Your inability to grasp [Scientology] is not a valid argument against it\", for example.\n\nYes but you really think the arguments against Scientology are because people don't understand it? I'm thinking it's just the opposite, so maybe that's not the best example. ",
"There’s also the fact that science is constantly evolving. So things will be disproven years down the road. Most people believe in science, just aren’t willing to change the course of the entire country because one think tank of 24 year olds at a university comes up with a new theory on climate change.\n\nThe 100% belief in whatever scientific data comes out is also dangerous and creepy much like people who feel the same way about religion.\n\nGo watch “an inconvenient truth” today and see how many things were wrong. Yet at the time anyone who questioned that movie was a “dumb, redneck thumping his bible!”",
"Should have replaced ‘Science’ with ‘Rick and Morty’ smh 😤😤😤",
"But *he IS* **like**, really really smart.",
"You can replace the word \"Science\" with \"Religion\" and it works just the same. (And I am not religious in any way)",
"Ya but anyone who does grasp Scientology can come up with many valid arguments against it, where as Science fundamentally is a set of guiding principles on how to go about finding things out and testing them. The only reason a person can be against science is a complete fundamental failure to understand what science is. While specific theories can be wrong or flawed, having a better grasp on how to create a hypothesis, gather information and test it in a consistent and repeatable way doesn't provide any valid arguments against the strength of information acquired by using a hypothesis, gathering information and testing it in a consistent and repeatable way.",
"\"Your inability to provide evidence is proof your full of crap.\" This quote is was authored 100,000,000 years ago by walking evolving fish. ",
"sorry, you are wrong, i live in asia. and you are wrong. its an economic issue not a race one. fucking 100%. YOUR pasty ass only sees the asians who can afford to move to the US therefore they can also afford better schooling (1%ers). in china (where i currently live and teach) the education system greatly favors wealthy citizens and unfortunately in most cases to be wealthy one must be educated and to be educated one must be wealthy creating a vicious cycle where poor communities don't get educated therefore remain poor, just like in America. ... and while you live in your \"normal house in a pleasant neighborhood\" which i assume is your way of saying \"white house in a white neighborhood\" you are displaying a level of ignorance that proves my point, while you belong to the \"superior white race\" you still spout ignorant fucking inbred trailer park logic because you weren't properly educated...kiddo. also fuck you very much and have a nice day : )",
"Well, if someone outwardly disagrees with mainstream scientific THEORY then what are they arguing for? They are already lost. Calling them idiots is fine with me. We need to ostracize and push these sorts of people to the fringes of society, because they are willfully ignorant and are retarding progress with their meaningless inquiries and backwards beliefs.\n\nAnti-science beliefs should be treated with ridicule and contempt. Such beliefs aren't grounded in rationalism or held to such a high standard that science requires. How can you get someone like that to see reason/evidence if they don't adhere to the same rules? Don't debate these fools because it gives their stance a platform and validation. Screw that. Ridicule them at every corner. Ridicule/satire is a legitimate form of criticism.",
"Most of the time it’s not ignorance that allows them to reject it.\n\nIt’s the fact that so many long standing claims have been alter debunked.\n\nSpend years with science backing on thing to only suddenly realize it’s actually this thing.\n\nGore said the planet would boil by now because of global warming. He used science to back that up, turns out he was wrong by over a decade, so is the new science also going to be wrong by such a large margin?\n\nHow do you convince a person you’ve lead astray multiple times to believe you?\n\nYou’ve told someone that these stocks are a sure thing multiple times, they weren’t and now their money is tied up in a stock that may never recover. You do it again with a new one, they refuse to believe you.",
"Glad Carrie Fisher rose from the grave to give this message",
"You either have XX chromosomes or XY chromosomes. XX for female, XY for male. You always get an X from your mother, but either an X or a Y from your father.\n\nAnything else is a birth defect (intersex / down syndrome).\n\nTrans isn't even biological. You have people with XY chromosomes wishing they had XX chromosomes. Well, tough luck.",
"How many religious retards we got in here? ",
"I'm all for science but the other side could make the same argument with this statement.",
"That's pretty much how I remember it, dinosaur-ant, but give the \"dinos\" a \"rest\". \n\nThen there's \"license\" and \"exercise\". They always fuck me up. ",
"Wow, this hit me hard. It's like when you read something and you never thought about it before but now that you're reading it you automatically know it's true. ",
"Climate change is an THEORY that is something that has been tested and widely accepted by one or more large communities. \n\nTheories are something that cannot be easily disputed to be completely false. To reject a theory is rejecting based off of a lack of understanding.",
"It's cool to be you but when you start cutting off your own dick I'm going to avoid you.\n\n[This is not healthy](https://youtu.be/ajeFAhW0hlM?t=2m20s)",
"I'm not sure I see it that? Where is that happening?\n\nI'm seeing a post which appears to be mocking climate change deniers and by extension Trump being upvoted.\n\nI'm also seeing a shitload of comments saying \"gender isn't real\".\n\nWho's criticising whom?",
"nobody said he cared. you're originally responding to a troll, just helping that along.",
"I rather like the other side as a supporting observation :\n\"**EVIDENCE TRUMPS OPINION**\"",
"It is a graph in cartoon form. The sources are listed on the right side of the image.",
"Rationality and objectivity are great, but our valuation systems are entirely subjective. We could go extinct, the Earth could again become the barren lifeless rock it started as, and the cold objective universe will continue on its merry as it did before we came into being. We can exercise logic in how we navigate problems, but our goals are always based on subjectivity in the first place. ",
"Biology seems to perhaps be the *most* interesting one because it's making breakthroughs at an incredible rate. A lot of the excitement is due to the new gene editing technique called CRISPR that lets them pretty cleanly edit DNA at will. It's not perfect but it's fast and getting better. [Here's a nice short article on the topic.](http://discovermagazine.com/2017/dec/the-crispr-antidote) Would you like more things like this in your information diet? That was from Discover Magazine which is basically filled with 1-page articles like that on all sorts of science topics. Consider subscribing if you like the idea.",
"Most people would say this describes progressives",
"Naw, we usually just laughed at those poor clueless people",
"This comment clarifies exactly what I think about this problem but wasn't able to put into words. You've changed my life and I thank you. I hope our politicians (particularly all Western nation politicians) start talking like this so we can get back to having productive conversations ",
"This is pretentious as fuck. It’s not wrong, but that sign with that smug look annoys me. A little context might help ",
"Nothing is settled, I agree. But the idea I think was to make a distinction between arguments surrounding subjects that deserve questioning and arguments surrounding subjects that do not. Considering the sign in the pic doesn’t make that distinction I get why people could argue over what should be considered a valid argument.",
"I was replying specifically to: \n>People who are pro science in politics know literally fuck all about the subject. \n\nMy point was that the scientific method is only reliable tool we have to discover facts about nature, and you don't necessarily have to be a scientist to see that it works. \n\nYou began with \"Religion is not meant to compete with science\". Many religious people would disagree with you there. The classic example is evolution vs creation. \n\nEdit: Genuine question, why the down votes? Nothing I said was false or offensive.",
"You are easily profiled. That makes it easy to shut you down.",
"Suicide rate rivaled only by schizophrenics.",
"Is this about climate change or transgenderism?",
"> Let's say I tell you not to touch a live high-voltage alternating current wire, but you're insistent on doing it, even though...\n\nhttps://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/what-s-more\n\nSorry - couldn't help myself.",
"> 'Consensus' is the worst reason to agree with something. \n\nNo it isn't, it's the next best reason to agree with something in the absence of understanding it yourself. Something being accepted by consensus is not evidence in favour of it being correct. However, if there is overwhelming consensus in favour of an idea by the academic community, that is *strongly* suggestive that the idea is probably right. \n\nWhich is not to say that these ideas shouldn't be challenged (of course they should be, that's the nature of science) but to argue that, say, \">97% of climate scientists agree that anthropogenic influences are driving current trends\" is *not* a good argument in favour of accepting that idea is ridiculous.\n\nIf you were in hospital and 19 doctors told you that you have a cancer which will kill you if it isn't operated on, but there's one doctor (who, incidentally, offers you a \"complementary treatment\" instead) who says it'll all be fine, would you seriously go with that one doctor just because \"consensus can be wrong\"? ",
"Like one of the founders of this site FOUGHT for.",
"Unfortunately, we keep killing all the plants, too. More carbon dioxide, less plants to consume it.",
"Sure, but how does that sign prove anyone wrong?",
"Thats not just science. Thats pretty much all human knowledge. Yet, if someone says \"Well, nothing is definite, so maybe the Sun aint real\" we have every right to call him a fucking moron. \n\n",
"Actually a “theory” and a “scientific theory” are two different things and it’s a problem people don’t understand that because something like the theory of evolution is not just a “theory”. A scientific theory is an explanation of phenomena substantiated by a large body of evidence and observation and experiment. Evolution is a scientific theory. Creationism is just a regular theory. There is a big difference. Evolution is 100% not just a “theory”",
"I never said that someone can’t do one thing or another. I’m saying that the person is ignorant if they believe things they don’t understand. \n\nWouldn’t you say that a person who thinks gay marriage is immoral, but can’t explain why it’s immoral except for that it’s “unnatural”, is ignorant?\n\n> it’s okay to trust 97% of climate scientists\n\nYou can accept certain things if you don’t have the energy to do the research, but don’t tell me that it isn’t to appeal to authority and majority.\n\nLet’s say you grow up in a country without internet.\n\nLet’s say that you grow up on an island without access to internet. If the majority of wisest people on this island says that god is the reason that we are here and our purpose is to rape women or something, don’t you think it is ignorant to accept what they are saying? ",
"Dude u need to go outside.. get some fresh air bro",
"I feel like it's just hard to fit the right and the right amount of words on a sign. People aren't always very creative. We should come up with things that this sign *should* have said instead!",
"I'd feel a little sad/angry that woman number 1 will give birth to a baby that will probably be disabled. That feeling would go away if that person would suddenly decide to get an abortion.\n\nMy reaction to person number 2 would be indifferent. It wouldn't be any different than hearing a person say, \"I don't think I can keep this tooth, I'll get it pulled next Wednesday\".\n\n",
"Science is a liar, sometimes.",
"yeah i \"know\". from short IFLS-like articles. not going to dive into it though. i think you misunderstand (or i misunderstood you) what i mean by \"interested\". ",
"This is because said evidence is just racist nonsense. While there is actual evidence for climate change. ",
"Exactly. Your comment explains it way better.",
"Like how there are only two genders ",
"Because it is the easiest way to know what is going on inside their head.",
"Care to elaborate? Science is a way to understand how the world works, based on observational evidence and repeatable tests results, nothing more. Whether or not evolution is true doesn't matter in this context. Evolution is what science came up with as the origins of the diversity of life base don evidence. It's a scientific theory and what else do you think evolution is if it's not science? Philosophy, Religion? ",
"Nope. There's evidence it's a small jump.",
"I activate my trump card!",
"Actually being ok with being wrong is great. Then you can acknowledge you’re wrong and move on. People unwilling to admit they are wrong are the issue. ",
"The racists and the trolls and the Nazis and the shills and the commies (sometimes different people) long ago learned the use of unique online usernames.",
"I can't believe I understand this.",
"true dat\n",
"Oh, I was just following your lead of saying something stupid.",
"hey I have a brother with stupid too ",
"Man, this would have been enough of a pretentious circlejerk without being gilded and top of r/all.",
"My current theory is that you are the sockpuppet account of 'thediscoNazi'. ",
"~bitcoin",
"People don't talk about it because it's taboo, not because it isn't based in fact. James Watson, the co discoverer of DNA, was shunned from the scientific community because he was an actual racist, despite his major scientific achievements. History is full of people being silenced and persecuted for their scientific breakthroughs. People like Galileo or Copernicus come to mind as well. If you look elsewhere in the thread you can see links by myself and others to peer reviewed papers that indicate a large genetic influence on general intelligence. With enough correlation, you can INFER causation. This suggests achievement gaps in both income and academic performance between groups might be rooted in biology. Really, it's not even that controversial if we were looking at different human groups the same way we'd look at different groups of other species. It's very VERY basic and very long standing Darwinian theory. Different groups adapt in and for different environments. Over a long enough period, different adaptations accumulate. Why in gods name would it make ANY logical sense that the brain would be the ONLY thing that didn't have any significant difference? Different groups have different concentrations in fast and slow twitch muscle fibers, some East Asians have an exceptional ability to thrive at high altitudes, some coastal hunter gatherers today have fantastic lung capacity and see better underwater. This isn't \"backwards ideology.\" It's measured and documented fact. With enough fact you can start to draw conclusions. Open you mind a little, do some research.",
"> Can you even define \"conservative\"? What do you even mean by that? Who are \"the conservatives\"?\n\nThis kind of dialogue gets us nowhere...",
"> Please, please give me an example of a peer-reviewed journal being published that is a complete 180 from our understanding of something.\n\n*Not the person you were replying.*\n\nI don't have a peer-reviewed journal at hand but I can think of one legitimate example: we don't know how to implement mathematics into physics regarding heating and cooling. \nIn the sense that we don't have a measure of calculating heating & cooling. No, it doesn't refer to Celsius or Fahrenheit, it means *actual* calculating the heating/cooling process. \nIt is immeasurable.\n\n------------------------------------------------------\n\n*In case somebody else reads this and doesn't understand*\n\nIt's like, in math, we know that 2+2=4. \nIn physics, we know that water boils or freezes according to Celsius/Fahrenheit & a tiny droll of mercury to see it. \nHowever, even if we know that 2+2=4 and that we determine heating & cooling with Celsius/Fahrenheit, what we don't know how to implement that 2+2=4 into the boiling/freezing action. ",
"And acault is defined as \"Males with cross-gender behavior.\" Keyword is behavior. They didn't self identify as transsexual or describe body dysmorphia. Though I'd be interested in what the endocrinologist found. Unfortunately it's behind a paywall.\n\nedit: \"acault\" is also a mistranslation of the Burmese term which designates men who seek other men (\"homosexual\" or MSM). If you read the methodology in the report they confess having no knowledge of the language.",
"I know Gore doesn’t ",
"And believing without understanding is like religion. \"It's true because that guy said so and I believe him because he's a scientist\".",
"Why do you care so much about what Al Gore says? Nobody thinks Al Gore is the world's foremost climate scientist. If you're going to dispute something then try refuting the arguments of the best experts. Not celebrity ex-politicians. ",
"Unfortunately, the hypocrisy is lost on most.",
"Speak for yourself, I don’t need “faith”.",
"It’s a cartoon",
"It’s a joke ",
"God isn't real.",
"What works, works. Maybe it SHOULD NOT be true that incomprehension is a good argument against science, but we can OBSERVE that it IS. Its is far more fucking powerful. The most powerful leader on the planet got into that position with exactly those kinds of arguments.\n\nIncomprehension is a poor scientific argument, but arguments are about convincing, and a shit-tonne of people on this planet are convinced that hundreds of years of converting solid carbon to gaseous carbon has no impact on our atmosphere.\n\n",
"It's a play on the name Disco Stu from the Simpsons. It's not some dark, insidious troll agenda.",
"God doesn't exist",
"This made me laugh so hard ",
"Results",
"Science isn't monolithic. \n\nSome science can obviously be argued, where as other areas(i.e. chemistry) doesn't have much debate to it. ",
"Well, if you believe in an omniscient God, then that would be true. ",
"“...Confirmation bias can explain everything from unbudging stereotypes to increasing political polarization. The theory goes: We are more likely to believe (or seek or remember or even notice) the \"facts\" that support our current viewpoints, and less likely to believe the ones that would require mental adjustment. The more deeply ingrained or self-defining or consequential the current viewpoint, the further the mind might go to ignore the new evidence that would disprove it [source: Arnold]. Attempts to debunk an irrational belief will tend instead to reinforce it, as the believer may have come to see his or her perseverance as heroic, as standing up to the \"establishment\" [source: Arnold]...”",
"Found one.",
"Isn't this coming from people who believe that genitals are social constructs, eat vegan diets, advocate for socialism and communism, and think that history should be rewritten or ignored if it hurts their cute little feelings? ",
"The fact that you “understand it” is not an excuse to believe it is the only and right way ",
"> My son was born with a big set of balls\n\nThe 1800s called - they want their brilliant artist back...",
"Look up jordan peterson and the amount of hate he gets for explaining the fact that there is only male and female.",
"So we anti science now?",
"Your arrogance and myopic view of the world hurts us all. ",
"If i would have to hazard a guess after looking at his sub post history:\n\nSupply and demand exist =/= supply side economics is a valid theory and not a bunch of voodoo woo (and it worked so well in the past when it was pushed by the OG commander in dementia).",
"That is not what 'appeal to authority' means. An appeal to authority would be something like; \"I don't believe in climate change because the Archbishop of Canterbury said it isn't real.\"",
"People in general tbh, person holding the sign is probably guilty too.",
"K",
"You put up a good fight, partner, but with a username like IdiocracyisReal, I'm starting to wonder if we're all taking a joke account seriously. ",
"I can beg the same question about religion. A book does not define something that no one has ever seen as fact. \n\nScience on the other hand, the proof is in every single thing you touch, the air you breathe, the water you drink. You can see these things, taste then, smell them. You cannot do the same with something that cannot be seen like people's interpretation of \"god\"",
"Thank you I couldn’t make it out ",
"Unless science can prove god I’m not gonna start believing.",
"The signs at College GameDay are far better.\n\nPlease start posting those if you must post pictures of signs.",
"There’s as much evidence for that as there is against it.",
"What are the pronouns for a sign?",
"Keep an open mind! science changes.",
" This kind of sign has no effect on the type of people it is directed toward. \n\n\nIf anything it’ll probably stoke the ignorant flames of anyone who feels their intelligence bruised by it. Not a very good way to start a discussion or change minds.\n",
"Nor can you disprove gods existence. Thank you.",
"You just trolled those libtards epic style!! 😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣",
"It’s just the name calling and ego stroking in general:\n\n“You don’t believe in global warming?! Man your so stupid, unlike me, I’m so well versed in science because I’m so smart!”\n\n“You believe in global warming?! Man your so stupid, you believe everything you’re being told by the elites you fucking sheeple! I’m smarter than that”\n\nIt’s the exact same argument, just different opinions...",
"can you give me any evidence or proof that there is a god at all, without referring to the Bible?",
"There's a huge difference between real science and science that exists only because it receives government grants. [Grant Money Wasted](https://www.dailywire.com/news/12309/9-ridiculous-things-government-wasted-money-year-aaron-bandler) And [More Waste](http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/20098/)",
"Your inability to grasp why Trump likes to grab them by the pussy and because he is, like very very smart, oh well, I tried.",
"Science is grounded in theory, testing, hypothesis, re-evaluation, peer-review, and so on. Religion is based on faith, not fact. They are not the same. We cannot prove the existence of God nor make an educated guess on the existence of God based on observation and testing.",
"I mean, we understand Scientology. It's a blackmail pyramid scheme that relies on lawyers and confession tapes to keep people in line, while simultaneously exploiting religious status tax exemption laws so they don't have to give any of that money back.",
"Your willingness to fall for whatever your shovel fed by the liberal media hurts us all.",
"Sure, 2 genders ",
"We will have to ask Buck Angel, that man knows a lot about pussy! ",
"I think it's both. ",
"You're just supporting my case. ",
"Dude, I can't wait to debate \"Weather Reconditioning\" with you in 2022.",
"Got a source for that?",
"Reddit needs to realise that if something is not possible to prove mathematically it is not science.",
"> turn into a brain in a few weeks or months.\n\nThe fact that you can't even specify and give such a broad, general time frame in your piss-poor argument shows that you have no clue.\n\nSo, despite the fact that abortions are performed throughout all stages of pregnancy, the brain is always just \"a few weeks or months\" away from being developed? You're an absurd apologist for baby-killers.",
"It's a valid argument for not believing in it though.",
"So true, especially with anti vaccination fuck tards",
"God so much lefty cringe ",
"People conflate knowing random science facts with an understanding of the scientific method. The latter is what is lacking in a lot of people. Science means making a hypothesis, do an experiment, collecting the most accurate data you can, and re evaluating the hypothesis against the data, until you come up with a hypothesis that matches the data. The important thing is your ability to reject a theory that conflicts with the data. You're doing more actual science when you try to troubleshoot why your car won't start than if you post a bunch of I Fucking Love Science memes.",
"Anyone's inability to discern what you're talking about from vague rhetoric is very understandable.",
"Science help us...",
"Ditto.",
"https://media.giphy.com/media/26BRrSvJUa0crqw4E/giphy.gif",
"Nothing you have said circumvents the uncomfortable reality that there is absolutely no causal link between the truth of any statement and the number of people who believe it.",
"it's not about people having a 'hard time' with science as if you're talking about someone with a learning disability... it's about people being purposely ignorant so they can take the bible literally without any cognitive dissonance. ",
"No. I'm dismissing it as hack science that isn't based in fact.",
"It actually might be an argument to not act upon it.\nConsider “your inability grasp magic is not a valid argument against it”.\n\n\nOne of the key epistemic and practical reasons in favour of scientific inquiry is its resulting explanatory power.\n\n\nIf however the nature of the reasons provided are inaccessible, one is left to wonder in what way an explanation has been provided to that person.\n\n\nTo the ignorant, saying ‘it’s science’ is practically (and to them epistemically) equivalent to saying ‘it’s magic’. No explanation is garnered by either the claim to the authority of science or magic. As such, no argument in favour of action has been received by that person.\n\nFor those interested, these considerations mirror the discussion within political philosophy about whether reasons ought to be public reasons. The ability of others to understand the reason(s) being offered (accessibility) is often considered a key factor in the legitimacy of that reason in justification for political action. In a modern democracy anyway.",
"Dark Souls would disagree. They are best used for trolling people.",
"Whether a social construct or not, race exist in some capacity.\n\nIf that weren't true then people couldn't speak of white privilege.\n\nBiological categories of race are only \"dicredited\" because the idea has become unpopular. If tomorrow scientists wanted to say that all dogs are the same breed and that breeds don't really exist in any meaningful capacity you couldn't really fault them because you would be the one going against modern scientific consensus if you did.\n\n",
"Who *doesn't* like to grasp that pussy? ^With ^consent^of ^course!!",
"Yeah, you aren't wrong. I don't expect to change their minds, I'm just a bit hopeful I can change the minds of a few reading the comments, or at least reinforce reality in this vile website.",
"Yeah dude global warming doesn't exist, temperatures rising since the 80s, nahhh, that's not real. The ice caps melting?? Pfft. A basic knowledge and understanding of science to actually know polluting the atmosphere with C02 keeps the sun's heat in more easily?? Naahhh",
"Yeah but your example is a completely valid statement. I don't see where you are seeing a problem, just because the same logic can be applied to other things doesn't mean that it's somehow invalid. Just because a statement is emotionally charged doesn't mean it's inherently illogical. Should she have written out everything that's wrong with our president on a square foot peice of poster board? ",
"Looking at you transgender activists. Biology is a thing ",
"Every Yu-Gi-Oh! Anime battle from the last 10 years",
">The problem is when personal bias takes over\n\nThat's what the peer review ('crowdsourcing' in modern buzwords) is for. Any one person can be wrong or fail at being completely impartial, but it becomes harder and harder for biases to go unnoticed as more and more eyes look at the research.\n\n>and people begin picking and choosing which parts of science to believe.\n\nWell, first off, that's not science, that's cherrypicking. It doesn't matter where a person is cherrypicking from (scientific theory, the Bible, Grimm's faerietales, etc), if you're cherrypicking, you're not faithfully representing whatever you're pulling from.\n\nSecondly, science is generally under attack from people who choose what parts to believe (young Earthers, climate change deniers, flat Earther's, antivaxxers, antiGMOers, etc). Saying that people are making a religion out of science by cherrypicking from it is kind of silly. They're making their own religions by carving science up into little pieces, throwing most of it out, making something new, and labeling 'mainstream' scientists as part of one conspiracy or another.\n\n>Even unfounded concepts like flat earth is a part of science.\n\nNo, it's not. The flat Earth meme that picked up recently is based on a complete disregard for facts. Testing/confirming each of the ways we know the Earth is round is one thing. That is part of the scientific process. Formulating a whole new and opposing 'theory' with no evidence, faulty geometry, and loads cherrypicked data isn't science. *That's pseudoscience, at best.*\n\n>\"Scientists say people who drink a gallon of vodka a day are more successful!\"- Facebook\n\nExcept scientist just about never say any of those cleches, ['science reporters' do](http://www.wyrmis.com/png/doab/2013/sciencenewscycle.png). It's something people in the sciences bitch about all the time, because we have a bunch of science illiterate people tell other science illiterate people about science and getting tons of things dead wrong.",
"I sure hope you're being sarcastic... Because literally all of science can't be proven mathematically. Hence terms like \"theory\", \"consensus\", and \"evidence\", as opposed to \"proof\".",
"Keep in mind, people who claim to believe gender and sex are separate will still blame you for not having sex with a member of the same sex, because you don't believe they are the gender they claim to be.",
"To be fair she probably watched more than 10 Rick&Morty episodes. I wouldn’t question her unstoppable IQ",
"Another idiotic thing those Dumbo's like to say is: \"I only watch news that I agree with.\" \n\nWait, WHAT!? You can't agree or disagree with news! Either it's news or it's not news. ",
"Look carefully at the sign and you can see that the other side of it actually mentions Trump.\n\nIt says, \"EVIDENCE TRUMPS OPINION\"",
"I know this. But all I was saying is that holding up a sign calling people dumb is just going to make them dig their heels in. ",
"Why is her face green?",
"And your blind acceptance of it is not an argument for it.",
"Oh, I love the composition and lighting in this awesome PIC!",
"You’re exactly right.\n\nThe first thing I think is this bitch doesn’t study peer reviewed journals she got all her info from The View. “97% of scientists say...”\n\nThe duplicitousness of the manner in which the scientific data is presented insofar as the discussion should not be whether the climate is changing but how much of that change is man made.\n\nThe way in which climate change is approached is the height of solipsism- to think that the planet itself and the sun have no effect on climate change and that we are solely responsible infuriates me. Then couple that with the dozens of scientists who have come up with ways to extract CO2 only to be ridiculed in favour of taxing the air as a solution.\n\n",
"I agree, but wouldn't they just say the same for faith. These are not smart people. ",
"Hate Israel?",
"Funny how people make such statements yet would support the mental disorder , Gender Disorder. The liberals tend to bash religious people yet support their own delusions of ‘blind’ equality.\n\nI might even be banned , again , for going against the grain and making my comment. ",
"It is to them.",
"That’s exactly why I try to stay away from using the phrase “I believe in [x]” \n\nI stick to “I trust in...” or “I have confidence in...” or “I understand that..”\n\n“Believing in” something feels like faith to me.. and faith is believing something when there is direct evidence to the contrary",
"Lol did you even read the chart you posted? It absolutely shows a steady increase of storms! Yes there's always been freak years before, but you can clearly see starting in 90s how every year's numbers are just consistently high, except again one outlier.\n\nClimate is a very very complex thing, and anyone who claims to know EVERY possible factor is lying. But, there is no denying in the overall shifting of the climate linked to increased co2 emissions. And also, anyone saying climate change is NOT a thing despite the data is either ignorant or lying.",
"This is a pretty bad argument and will shut down communication between a good debate. Insulting isn’t the right pathway.",
"Your inability to grasp *anything* is not an argument against it.",
"It's not an emotional argument and each of those statements would be valid. Anything you put there constitutes an argument from ignorance. Why is your problem universality and validity?",
"Does this apply to biology and that there are only two genders?",
"I identify as every gender simultaneously except for whichever one someone calls me by at any given moment.",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmsPSvXKSZA",
"> The fact that you can't even specify and give such a broad, general time frame in your piss-poor argument shows that you have no clue.\n\nNo, it shows that I don't have time to write a fucking essay on neurology while I'm sitting at work.\n\n> So, despite the fact that abortions are performed throughout all stages of pregnancy, the brain is always just \"a few weeks or months\" away from being developed?\n\nAbortions are not performed throughout all stages of pregnancy. Most first world countries set the limit somewhere around 22 weeks. We know that the brain is still in development for years after the baby is born. What we don't know is when the cognitive ability is developed enough to form a real individual person. The limit for abortions is set so we can be on the safe side, but the individual might not even develop until the baby starts to talk.\n\n> You're an absurd apologist for baby-killers.\n\nLol.",
"Interesting strawman you got going in your head.\n\nGrow up, junior.",
"She looks like she knows so much about “science”. I would love to hear her argument. ",
"Because feelings is psychology. All your thoughts can be classified as feelings, even whatever you consider to be logical arguments are valid because you feel trust with regards to whichever logical structure you have adopted.",
">http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/the-existence-of-race/\n\nWell, looking into that website is just incredibly sad, from the man who writes it, to the arguments within.\n\n>Inside all these articles you will find bits of red text. Those bits are links to peer reviewed studies, those things you tout so highly when it comes to climate change. I do not deny climate change whatsoever.\n\nYou are almost implying that peer review is something only climate change cherishes. Anyway, I checked out the first link I saw, his claim that \"roughly 96.5% of American whites have basically no African admixture in their genomes\". The study took people who self describe as european americans, among other groups, then tested them genetically. Yea, people who describe themselves like that have a pretty low chances of being anything but white. They also only count ancestry from sub-Saharan Africa. Also, weirdly enough, the number he presents, 96.5% does not appear in the paper at all, as far as I can see. Maybe I missed it. \n\n\n>If you deny race and differences between them you deny evolution. It is as simple as that. Race realism is not the outlandish, impossible position. Yours is.\n\nlol",
"I literally wrote:\n\n> Something being accepted by consensus is not evidence in favour of it being correct.\n\nSo I'm not sure what you're complaining about...",
"Who's building moral frameworks around science? There isn't even any way to define morality within the context of science. That has to be left to philosophy.\n\nWho's building ideological structure around science? That doesn't even make much sense. Science is just a global process, producing lots and lots of data. That's like saying we're building an ideological framework around the collective pedestrian foot traffic in a city.",
"[clop clop... clop clop](https://goo.gl/images/g9qkoP) ",
"Having an abortion is the same as getting a tooth pulled? Wow.\n\nYou are stunningly and unabashedly callous. Please never breed.",
"Let me tell you the story of the [dog](https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/19/143519-004-B19FFD4E.jpg) that evolved into a [whale](https://news.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/2016/09/08/humpback-whales/01humpbackwhales.jpg). The best part is when they called it \"science\" and everyone believed it.",
"Not weekly. Literally an hour rotation.\n",
"that's what i was saying.",
"Why did he get suspended?",
"Today is a new day! Thanks for that, I think my days of googling that word are over :)",
"Bang on, you only need look at Brexit and the Trump election to see this. Apparently only morons would vote for either. It is a massively polarising situation, people give thier reasoning for doing it only for the opposing side to say yeah well you must be stupid to think like that. These people are not stupid they just have different points of view / life experiences and give weight to arguements that you dont. Making fun of them wont help, education is the way forward on both sides, otherwise there is no way of making informed decisions at the time. ",
"How is this even a thing? Spell check, auto correct.",
"> Please never breed.\n\nThanks, you too.",
"I mean supply side is fairly well grounded in economic theory as being the only method of achieving long run growth, but ive never heard of supply and demand economics. And youd expect to have done so after a few years at uni.",
"Psychology is not a science. Most published psychology studies fail reproducibility. This is because most psychologists have weak math skills and don't know enough of about statistical sampling and probability.\n\nYour failure to understand this is not an argument against it.",
"The got triggered over the mere -existence- of the Statue of Liberty\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/opinion/vogue-statue-liberty-jlaw-breitbart-september.html",
"Bc science is never wrong even if corporations pay for it",
"Social concepts of race exist quite obviously, but there is no biological distinction between so called races. People can't even agree on what races exist. It's not that it's unpopular - on the contrary, most people do think of race as objective. It's that there is no scientific basis for it. ",
"Says the folks who believe there are more than 2 sexes.",
"My favorite is when the \"pro science\" crowd says that women have penises. ",
"For every Flat-Earther out there.",
">The poster is implying that people are arguing against science because they don’t understand it. \n\nNo it is not. Its a poster. Not an argument. It cant be a logical fallacy. For something to be a logical fallacy it needs to be an argument. \n\n> If you can find someone who says,”I don’t get science, therefore that is why I’m opposed to it,” then fair enough. \n\nEven this is wrong. No one would say that. That does not mean thats not what is happening. Talk to many creationists to see how often Dunning Kruger is present. Or, better yet, flat earthers. \n\n>The poster is making an argument that doesn’t exist as far as I know. \n\nIts a poster. Its not an argument. Its like taking memes seriously, nigga. ",
">t. There are seventy six thousand genders",
"I just can't follow this logic train, and Ive tried to understand it.\n\nYou'd be upset that the woman would be giving birth a disabled baby. So by your own admission, she is carrying life inside of her, and you're upset that she's setting that life up for failure and hardship right out of the gate. You at least have some emotional connection there that tells you, \"hey, what she's doing is wrong, that baby deserves a better shot than that\"\n\nBut in the same breath, you're completely okay with taking that potential and completely snuffing it out as though it's a mere tooth.\n\nI'm gonna go ahead and assume something, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, that's perfectly fine.\n\nI'm guessing you believe in the Big Bang and evolution, and that everything you see before you is the result of a cosmic lottery that has resulted in me and you having this conversation right now. This reality is all we get and it will never happen again. That sort of thing.\n\nWell, supposing all that is true and that the odds of you and I existing at all are so cosmically small that it's not even mathematically computable, wouldn't an abortion be the shittiest thing you could ever do to another human being that will never have another shot at consciousness?\n\n",
"Ah, not all of reddit is as bad as this! :) I still find lots of useful and stimulating things on here.\n\nI recommend you subscribe to some more niche subreddits relevant to your interests. It makes the front page a lot more palatable.",
"whatever. patience is low, this shit is taught in schools and widely accepted. spending so much time with EACH person , one at a time, is a huge waste of time.",
"THERE ARE 78 GENDERS!!!! ",
"Your comment was posted when it was about one A.M. on the East Coast of America. ANd it's at twenty four downvotes.\n\nIn other words, the conservatives are HIGHLY active when America is asleep. ",
"> I’m saying that the person is ignorant if they believe things they don’t understand. \n\nYou said more than that. \"Not better than religious people who don’t accept vaccine\" is a value judgment, meaning they are as immoral as parents who choose to endanger the lives of their children (and others' children, by undermining herd immunity).\n\n> You can accept certain things if you don’t have the energy to do the research, but don’t tell me that it isn’t to appeal to authority and majority.\n\nIt's not.\n\nThis would be a fallacious form: \"97% of climate scientists agree that anthropogenic global warming is happening, so it's true.\"\n\nThis is not fallacious: \"97% of climate scientists agree that anthropogenic global warming is happening, so we should enact public policy based on the overwhelming likelihood that it's happening.\"\n\nThere's nothing wrong with the latter.\n\n> If the majority of wisest people on this island\n\nThis island that doesn't have science. It's not a relevant comparison.",
"Hitler should be a national hero. \nPlease don't take this out of context. ",
"It’s just as useful a quote from this nice lady.",
"I bet this lady doesn’t know anything about science. I’d say 50% chance she has no college degree, 40% chance she has a degree not in STEM, the last 10% she watched a Netflix documentary and is now an expert on her field of choice.",
"One selected for a PhD program, not necessarily completing his or her qualifying exams ",
"His name is visible on the obverse. The sign is translucent.",
"Of course her argument commits the begging the question fallacy. Her statement also isn't evidence that what she's supporting or opposing is actually true. She could also be the one ignorant of the truth.",
"\"4th dimension?? I can't picture that... you're stupid!\"",
"I don’t get. Of course ignorance can’t be an argument against something. Does anyone think that?",
"I get it, so \"still in development\" means lack of sentience? That's a shitty argument, even for an anti-life proponent. By your reasoning, infanticide should be legal. The mental gymnastics you ethically-bankrupt people engage in are preposterous.",
"Photo needs context. I assume this is about global warming?",
"What is this referring to?",
"You said you worked in mathematics and with people from other sciences so I'm sure that's the case in your peer circle. However, I see people arguing for unobserved and unfounded claims via social media and witnessing in person on a daily basis and they all have theories. Also, living in America and, if so, the region in which you reside factors in to whether or not you see people guessing theories in your immediate social environment, among other variables. ",
"Lol why the downvotes? This is funny!",
"Okay, that's true, but I was referring to one aspect of the dynamic which seems to be more salient with certain aspects of the what should be the private lives of women.\n\nBTW, when you strike out text, that's generally taken to mean you think it's wrong, not that you're responding to it or think it should be broadened.",
"That isn't science that's evolving, it's poor usage of the scientific method. By definition scientific results should be tested.",
"I feel like this needs to be aimed at a big chunk of the reddit community.",
"If true...perhaps it's people hating and despising them because their body is different.\n\n\n",
">Edit: why am I being downvoted. \n\nThat's why.",
">thanks Dad.\n\nFTFY",
"\"theory\", \"consensus\", and \"evidence\"\n.. yeah and that can never be proven it is real.. that is why it is healthy if people disagree with it.",
"This has been x-posted on a sub called \"The New Right\" and I think it's going to be drawing a lot of commenters from there. I'm just going to paste here what I commented there, which was in response to claims that belief in man-made climate change or the existence of gender makes you *\"anti-science\"*.\n\n>Mathematician here, working in various things related to mathematical physics and compsci. Certainly qualified to form an educated opinion based on accurate statistical studies.\n\n>Climate change is an absolute certainty. The overwhelming consensus among climate scientists is that it is manmade (approximately 97%). The evidence looks overwhelming to me. I don't know of any surveys among other disciplines (e.g. astronomers or physicists) but the usual tack is to claim that climate scientists are either bought out or it's not a respectable science, so it would be interesting to see what other scientists think. This is to say, the conclusions of the research are very clear, but perhaps there are more general worries about methods or where the funding is coming from.\n\n>There is clearly a psychological trait or pattern of behaviours that we call gender. I think the existence of masculine women or feminine males is undeniable. I also think it's highly plausible that many people don't fit into anything that we would call traditionally \"masculine\" or \"feminine\". At the very least, there are people who seem to display a mixture of these traits and so belong on a spectrum of gender. Whether there are further traits seems debatable.\n\n>I don't know a single scientist who thinks that psychological traits don't exist. We also recognise that they can only really be studied at the level of psychology or some other \"soft science\" right now. Perhaps some extremely hardline reductionist would claim that we should be able in principle to reduce these things to biology, but that would involve a complete neuroscience which is obviously centuries away. I also don't know any scientists who don't believe that psychology is a valid subject. We accept that there is potential for bullshit and charlatanry; this holds in any subject, but perhaps a little moreso in the soft sciences. But there is obviously good psychology being done.\n\n>Just 2 cents from someone in the sciences. I have a feeling this comment will be deleted anyway. Cheers!",
"You are the kind of person that makes people hate atheists ",
"Joe sounds like a terrible person",
"Are you an expert in the field? I'd like you to please condense what you know so that I can have an understanding, from at least your point of view.",
"Too late, pal. And my son was the greatest thing to ever happen to me. I'm sure glad that I didn't decide to have that tooth pulled.",
"> Saying 'I believe in climate change' is not the same as understanding it. It's this sort of 'people who disagree are stupid and everyone who agrees is smart' that makes the political climate so divisive and impossible to actually discuss.\n\nFuck that. You lame middle of the road fence straddlers always want to say that crap but never acknowledge the systemic reasons that all of this is the way it is. You're not going to tell me the political landscape is the way it is because I called someone stupid. Fuck that and fuck anyone **stupid** enough to think that. The goddamn education system and the cult of ignorance in this country that postis that all people's perspectives are equal, regardless of how uterly divorced from reality they are, created that person. You're not going to try and pin the responsibility for the current environment on people pointing out that we're all trapped in the fucking crazy house with these people. You think not saying that is going to cause them to listen up and change their mind about a flat earth? Or vaccines? Or abortions? Or anything? You people are out of your minds. You always want to treat conservatives more gently, reshape the message so it applies more broadly. You know what happens when we do that? NOT A DAMN THING. You people are never willing to put your own skin in the game and test your hypothesis. You're not willing to have it challenged. You're not willing to find out whether your method actually works or whether it's just pleasant sounding bullshit. You're the same fake intellectuals that will sit in on a town meeting and say \"You know what? What harm could it do to give equal time to evolution and creationism?\" while EVERY **EVERY** scientist in the room looks at you fucking aghast because you literally don't unbderstand how many whole human brains you're throwing away doing that. You're the fencesitter who says \"Let's give this abortion-only sex ed a try. It couldn't hurt and it will repair the rift with our christian community.\" \n\nFuck divisiveness. That shouldn't be your fucking primary metric. And fuck you for being shortsighted. We have legitimate fucking problems with education, mental health management, media representations of truth, and culture in this country and have for fucking decades and when the shit starts hitting the fan, you point to the people who did what the fuck they were supposed to do to maintain a standard of intellectual excellence, the people who went to college and bothered to learn something, the people who actually evaluate the evidence before coming to the conclusion,t he people who actually fucking read things and don't get everything they know regurgitated from someone else, and you want to tell us we're the problem? Go fuck yourself. ",
"CLIPPY says 'It looks like you're trying to be sexist and hateful. Do you need some assistance?'",
"If global warming is melting the ice caps why hasn't the sea level risen and coast lines changed?",
"Your inability to accept basic human biaology is not a reason valid argument against it",
"Your inability to persuade them is not a deficiency on their part.",
"I sometimes push our ants to work overtime but on Sundays I like to rest-aur-ants",
"There's a difference between being told you're wrong, and being told you're stupid. Thart's what this whole thread is about.",
"That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.",
"I doubt the fat fucks holding these signs and circle jerking about their messages are \"mobilizing\" very much at all, aside from to the fridge and back.",
"Except climate change isn't just a theory created by a bunch of 24 year old post-grads. It's something that almost the entire scientific community agrees is occurring, and there is a considerable amount of scientific evidence proving it's true. And it's going to change the entire country no matter what, look at the increase in extreme weather events, so why shouldn't we change to try and prevent it, rather than just cleaning up after it?",
"Yup, everyone [just believes it] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_common_descent).",
"lmao I love how this post totally backfired on the libs here. muh climate change is real, but let's also make up 64 different genders ",
"Honestly this sign is like Neil DeGrasse Tyson: good at stroking allied egos, angering opponents, and nothing else. People that don't understand science are understandably offended when people just call them stupid, and this leads to them distrusting science even more.\n\nScience helps us understand the world, and it's great because of that. But we have to be careful not to look down on people or be smugly sure of ourselves or it hurts science as a whole.",
"The difference is that with science, there is actually a basis to believe in it. I pity anyone who would believe any faith (just because they were raised by religious parents) over fact and reason. We just need one more generation of mindless religious conservatives to die out. ",
"You know those two things you just spouted off as fact have been proven wrong right?\n\nhttps://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses\n\nhttps://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/10/physicist-who-foresees-global-cooling-says-other-s/\n\nhttp://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acs.est.5b02388\n\nhttps://www.tropos.de/en/current-issues/press-releases/details/surface-of-the-oceans-affects-climate-more-than-thought/",
"Global Warming is just one part of Climate Change. They are not synonyms. ",
"You are the one wanting to force people into a shitty existence, yet claim moral superiority.\n\n> By your reasoning, infanticide should be legal.\n\nNah, I just don't think it is on the same level as murder. It should still be illegal if there is no good reason for it. Like killing a dog.",
"Funny, but I was leaning toward being agnostic. But when I was full into my engineering and science classes at college I realized there is something that put this universe together. That actually made me more religious. \n\nIt may not be the ideal of a giant on a throne with a big white beard telling us what to do. It may be more like Star Wars “Force”. But, too much of how the universe works just seems to makes so much sense to lead to us evolving that it seems like there is something bigger then us. \n\nAlso, it doesn’t hurt that I have a reminder I’m never alone and that I should be striving to help others and treat them fairly. Seems to be way to many lonely and self absorbed redditors that could use a kick in the ass to get out and volunteer and help less fortunate. If belief in a deity does that then so be it. \n\nI think the evil in religion comes from those who hijack it for mind control or power. Or to set different religions against each other. But that is humans being humans. \n\nAlso, if you seriously think about the Big Bang theory science sounds kind of like religion. There is no real proof. But we are supposed to believe there was nothing, then a Big Bang occurred, now we have an incredibly big universe. I realize this is a simplified version but basically in a nutshell it is it. \n\nKinda sounds almost like a religious text, they just don’t try to explain what caused the Big Bang. It just happened? \n\nI’m not trying to deny the Big Bang, but I’m just using it as an example of how science does still take a leap of faith for a layman to believe it as well. ",
"OP: presents facts and evidence\n\nLiberal you: wahhhhhh name calling!",
"Not trying to brag, but I believe that I’m of above average intelligence, have a degree, scored 94 on my ASVAB, just something about that word that made me butcher it. \nI’d try throwing an O in there, or try to go along the lines of ‘beauty’, my spellcheck didn’t know wtf I was trying to spell lol",
"Low effort gimmick account ",
"In fairness to science, science could quit being a dick about it and help people understand.\n",
"Global Warming isn't a bad name. Its a term used to describe a small part of Climate Change as a whole. ",
"Your inability to understand that actually science is just our perceived way for lowly humans to try and explain the almighty power of godly phenomenon is not a valid argument against it.\n\nI don't believe this statement but it's how religious folk think, and, to a degree, it makes sense. But, in the same way flat earthers can kind of make their flat earth claims make sense and that's still bollocks.",
"gender and having a penis = politics to you ROFLLLL",
"The climate is always changing. Always. Show me the evidence of the shift you are citing.\n\nAs for hurricanes, our technology to detect hurricanes and hurricane strength has gotten better year after year. In the 1800s, how many hurricanes were never reported because the population was so small? Hurricane Harvey was barely a CAT 3. Right before landfall they called it CAT 3. Technology has gotten better. NOAA has even stated that they can’t link CO2 to hurricanes...why is that?",
"I feel you. Points taken. 👍🏾\n\n",
"Are you an expert in the field? Suddenly every liberal on earth is an expert in the field because they watched Jimmy Kimmel cry on national tv. \n\nHere's your chance, sell me on \"Climate Rearrangement\" or whatever Al Gores marketing team calls it these days. ",
"If I were a right-winger like you, I think I'd want to stop global warming so there would be a stable civilization upon which to enact right-wing policies for thousands of years. [The current path](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-hot-for-humans-annotated.html) isn't good for anyone. Not for me, not for you.",
"You're active in r conservative and r kotakuinaction. Both groups are literally about denigrating people. ",
"I'm not complaining about anything. Just pointing out the danger of thinking consensus adds weight to the truth of an argument.\n\nDemocracy doesn't work because the majority can be trusted to make the 'right' decision - but because social convention dictates that we accept the consequences of what the majority decide we should do.",
"Scientology is not a religion. It's a tax evasion scheme. But I get your point.",
"> Religion serves an entirely different purpose both individually and societally.\n\nMass hallucinations. ",
"I get called a science denier because I don't think Global Warming is a big deal. Polar Ice Caps are still growing, albeit at a decreased rate. Al Gore's movie was spot on with his prediction. The Paris Deal would have been a mess to the economy causing greater problems than it fixed. Weather bois can't even predict the weather correctly past around 1 week and even during the week it fluctuates. People were afraid about Global Coolibg in the 70s and look how that turned out. All I am trying to say is sure there might be global warming but it not anything to flip out over.",
"https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence\n\nProduce peer reviewed research that refute, otherwise GTFO.",
"You're talking about genetic sex. I think you're confused, being trans doesn't mean you're wishing for different chromosomes. Most trans people I've met don't have chromosomal dysphoria...",
"Do you really think that everyone can be persuaded?",
"Fine. What is climate change? The climate is always changing.",
"BUTTEREEEEEEEEEMALIS",
"Was that actually a case of poorly peer reviewed science, though, or just the public falling for corporate marketing?",
"The chart literally had no information, no source and no argument. Therefore it's meaningless. ",
"My friends call my stupid when I'm wrong and I don't get mad at them for it.",
"You're a good person. I can tell.",
"Not always as effective and much less fun.",
"I find myself in climate change debates all the time and am pro maritime cloud brightening projects. But climate change consensus is a bit of a spook in political talking points these days, especially with regard to the scope of things. Examples off the top of my head are the American Meteorologist Society not necessarily agreeing on the long term affects of climate change (something like a third don't believe climate change to be a very impactful thing, but more importantly a little over half say it's a topic of controversy within the profession) american geologists put out similar numbers I believe a little over a quarter in both clubs are outright skeptics and about half are no opinion. Can cite for you if you'd like.",
"Are you one of those people currently hallucinating that you'll go to prison in Canada if you confuse boy and girl? ",
"But the \"pictures of ice glaciers getting smaller and sad polar bears\" aren't the result of scientific research, and the Al Gores and Bill Nyes of the world aren't our climate scientists, and neither are the people who write blog posts about the world exploding or turning into Venus.\n\nWe need to look at the scientific literature, and it is overwhelmingly telling us climate change is happening, and it's primary driver is man made.\n\n> But is it possible we are just going through a hotter phase of Earth's life regardless of our actions? Maybe[...]\n\nYou go on to say here that you are being swayed more towards the side of human activity. Although honestly the likelihood of it being anything else is starting to approach conspiracy theory territory. There would need to be some mechanism we don't know about and can't measure, that has happened in a way we can't explain within the geographical record. We would also have to explain what is happening to the carbon dioxide we are releasing, and the change in the carbon isotopes in the atmosphere which matches the signature of fossil fuel use. Possible? Absolutely. Likely? Almost certainly not.\n\nI know a large amount of this was agreeing with your position, but I wanted to clarify my view on it anyway.",
"No. But if you undertake the task, and are unable, it's not their fault.",
">Are you an expert in the field? Suddenly every liberal on earth is an expert in the field because they watched Jimmy Kimmel cry on national tv.\n\n>Here's your chance, sell me on \"Climate Rearrangement\" or whatever Al Gores marketing team calls it these days.\n\nWill you please answer the question without deflecting to me. I will answer your question afterward.\n",
"Yes because the original comment appears to be an open invitation for discussion.\n\nGet out.",
"I think I just fell in love with you",
"Tell me how having it colder is better? I can tell you first hand it sucks being cold. Nothing grows. We can’t feed as many people. Why is warm bad? Life flourishes in warmth.",
"Climate change is liberal horseshit, and there are only 2 genders. \n\nSCIENCE! ",
"They think that transgender people are literally going to -get- them somehow if they use the wrong pronoun.",
"Climate change is liberal horseshit, and there are only 2 genders. \n\nSCIENCE! ",
"Nobody is talking about seventy genders. Settle down there, Sargon.",
"Ahh, a wiki-genius. Sorry I only accept REAL sources. I'm so through with people just posting some massive, OPEN EDIT article from wikipedia or some other site and thinking they actually proved something. It's a cop out. It's like \"I'm too stupid to make an argument, so let me post this extremely biased article that I haven't even read but appears to validate my position.\" Learn to think and argue my friend.",
"Many of those wedges fund science.",
"I want to \"force people into a shitty existence\"? Really? I didn't realize that abortion and personally raising the baby are the only two options. Thanks for clarifying that.\n\nAnd, once again, your callousness rears its ugly head as you compare infanticide to killing a dog. Do you feel at all, Mr. Roboto?",
"Tell me how having it colder is better? I can tell you first hand it sucks being cold. Nothing grows. We can’t feed as many people. Why is warm bad? Life flourishes in warmth.",
"My inability to grasp science?!\n\n#Your inability to grasp REAL science!!!",
"It's not people rejecting science outright, it's people denying well established facts to justify their own agenda that's the problem. It happens on the left as well, just not as blatantly and on the left it's usually accompanied by an actual counterargument rather than some guy that's never actually looked into what he's talking about basically saying \"because I said so, [insert clunky uncreative insult here]\"",
"if you consider losing elections fun",
"The world health organization, the CDC, and American academy of pediatrics have all come out to say that the medical benefits of male circumcision outweigh the risks (although not enough to require it by law). Mention this actual science though and watch reddit \"experts\" come out of the woodwork to deny it.",
"YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF ARTICLE 17, CODE 233: *WRONG-THINK*\n\nPLEASE PROCEED TO UC BERKLEY FOR RE-EDUCATION AND ENLIGHTENMENT.\n\nANY RESISTANCE WILL BE MET WITH LETHAL FORCE.\n\nSINCERELY,\n\nTHE UNITED NATIONS INTERNET TASK FORCE WRONG-THINK DIVISION",
"Ask a scientist and a priest for the truth and you'll get two very different answers. Maybe one day people will learn to wonder in awe at the beautiful reality of our planet and the human race that science has slowly uncovered. Science can lead you to peace and love and understanding. But it's not meant to, and I think that's what folks have a problem with. I love science because, however cold, it is the truth. It is observable, provable, confirm-able here and now. Religion is not.",
"Not sure about the quality of your philosophy classes, but the dictionary defines faith as \"confidence or trust in a person or thing.\"\n\nIt's one of a few definitions. To your credit, the dictionary does acknowledge the secular definition of faith as being what you described, but this is not the definition that most theologians adhere to. And it's alarming that a philosophy major wouldn't know this.\n\nThe Christian definition of faith, for example, is \"the assurance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen.\"\n\nTherefore contrary to your original point, the whole idea of taking a leap of of faith is leaping based on the evidence that God has already given you that things will turn out for the good. Faith says, though you may not have all the facts, you know who God is, what He has shown you thus far, and you trust His promises.",
"> as far as I’m concerned \n\nWell thank god there are better people than you out there who's opinions matter ",
"And yet the results remain that Trump supporters, Flat Earthers, Moon Landing deniers, and those who don't think Global warming is a trend are Alt-Right and the religious evangelicals. ",
"> Just don’t fucking them\n\nSay what? I'll call them by whatever my opinion is. The arbitrary opinion of other's doesn't override my own.\n\nThat being said, I made a transsexual friend a fortnight back. I don't care how they care to identify but I'm going to call a guy in a dress a guy regardless of their own opinion. We chatted for about half an hour and all was good in the world.\n\nI'd chat to him again without problem. I also don't care much for the opinion of other's who may be offended by non-standard representations. Sure, I'm not going to consider the impossibility of partnering to have children but I'm not going to get angry about that being off the table either.\n\nTLDR; Opinions are opinions. Nobody has to take heed of them.",
"Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I like it. It’s ok if I steal?",
"To anyone interested in facts. The caillou thing was posted in /r/teleshits, which is a joke subreddit, designed to mock television shows by re-imagining the characters as horrible people.\n\nTo Mohican_Sun: Do you think Stephen King enjoys murdering people because he writes about murdering? As you ponder your reply, please be careful not to be super-triggered over the fact that Stephen King dislikes Trump.",
"I never said it was a racial issue, so nice straw man. I'm saying it's a *cultural* one. It's an absolute fact that most other \"races\" in America, especially Asians, place higher value on success and education than blacks do. And if you want to look at race itself so bad, why do blacks have the lowest average IQ? Just throwing that out there. Also, why are there still successful black people if their schools are so bad? If they're able to do it, ANYONE is able to do it. It's sad how you can't even see where the real issues stem from. Open your damn eyes and stop with the pathetic straw man arguments and ad hominems based on my race (yes I'm white, lucky guess kiddo.)\n\nI don't believe in racial superiority, dumbass. However I do believe that certain individuals are superior to others in aspects like strength, character, and in my case, intelligence. How's it feel having a room temperature IQ? : )",
"Are more, but you’re correct scientifically there are only 2 genders. Reddit likes to circle jerk to show they’re tolerant but really they just smell their own farts.",
"Trans doesn't exist. It's just something people do, like becoming a soccer player. So stop bothering people with it and stop saying it's a gender. The only genders are the genetic sexes.",
"The Dude would be disappointed in your racism. ",
"> misuses science\n\nFTFY",
"Provide peer reviewed research.\n\nRight now, you are just claiming bullshit without anything to back it up.",
"[Yall sure came out of the woodwork to defend science as if it were your religion lol](https://youtu.be/p-3e0EkvIEM)",
"Most fables never happened. That's why the are fables.",
"Your inability to grasp economics is not a valid argument against capitalism.",
">Ahh, a wiki-genius. Sorry I only accept REAL sources. \n\nEverything found on that page is a simplified version of what you would find in textbooks, and indeed scientific papers. If you have ever opened a textbook you would have known that.\n\n>I'm so through with people just posting some massive, OPEN EDIT article from wikipedia or some other site and thinking they actually proved something. It's a cop out. \n\n...good thing I did not do that. I posted a list. Im still here. You can ask questions. Or you could plot the best course of action and buy an evolution textbook.\n\n>It's like \"I'm too stupid to make an argument, so let me post this extremely biased article that I haven't even read but appears to validate my position.\" \n\nInsult me again and I will block you. Anyway, as already explained, everything there can be found in textbooks and scientific papers. As such claiming bias is silly.\n\n>Learn to think and argue my friend.\n\nI will just repeat myself: insult me in your reply and I am out. I will also point out how silly it is to tell someone to learn to argue, while at the same time doing one of the worst things when talking to people: constantly insult them. ",
"Please explain? If I give a map to someone and they decide not to use it and get lost then how is that my fault?",
"I don't know about you, but when I'm making a decision, I put away my emotions so I can look at a problem objectively without being clouded by emotions.",
"Except if one of those \"opinions\" has peer reviewed research from multiple sources supporting it, it holds more water...",
"\"Your inability to grasp the mechanics behind guns is not a valid argument against them\" would probably piss off a LOT of people who upvoted this image.",
"Lol, a *feeling* can't be \"wrong\", it's just a subjective experience. It is either felt, or not. You can feel itchy, or hot, or happy, or sad, or masculine, or feminine... None of those are right or wrong, they are just things you feel. ",
"It is changing...every year it rises.",
"Of course, the vox populi is a long-studied phenomenon and reason to tread cautiously when issues that affect global policy, human & ecological health, and ethics, among other things, are concerned. This is part of my beef with religion and mass media, both of which currently discourage real investigation and fact-checking. However, we can't carry on as though we will be able to objectively verify every phenomenon we encounter in the course of one lifetime. We relied on the views of scientists for so many years because they were viewed as the paramount of integrity, and to whatever degree possible, objectivity, those tenets being the foundation on which the scientific method was built. It's much quicker and easier to fulfill a political agenda through a media empire or from a pulpit than it is from a lab with a few hundred thousand dollars of funding each year. \n\nAre there corrupt scientists? Sure. Scientists are human too. Furthermore, means, methods, and devices are imperfect. So are conclusions that we draw from data. But I am much more inclined to be convinced that we are building real knowledge by a group of people who are, as a profession, committed to the dissemination of high-quality knowledge than I am by a group of people with overtly obvious political interests in controlling the flow of information for personal or monetary gain.",
"#GODDAMMIT DICK! GET BACK TO WORK! THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WE NEED TO ACCOUNT!",
"Take it and run!!!!!",
"Speak for yourself! For me personally, I find smug arrogance to be among the MOST valuable traits in a person I know! ",
"> unfounded claims via social media and witnessing in person on a daily basis and they all have theories\n\nI'm pretty sure people don't just open a random number generator and then let it decide to pick a theory they advance. Usually they have some \"evidence\" for their theories. Or reasons for believing what they do. Note that they may not always show you those reasons, but to claim that they have no reasons whatsoever is oversimplification and dangerous. ",
"Dark Souls signs tend to fall in one of 3 categories:\n\n-Helpful\n\n-Not helpful\n\n-Lewd sexual innuendos",
"if the more effective route does not work than what should happen?",
"Yeah I meant the same way of arguing",
"People who legit use 'muh' are laughed at by most of Reddit.",
"Is this the Dunning Kruger effect? ",
"the more effective route put obama in office",
"Science is questioning. ",
"> Science backs the existence of God\n\nSauce please",
"They're your friends, that's what friends do. Think about your teacher, doctor or lawyer calling you stupid, just because they know more than you in their respective areas.",
"Please note many of these comments were made, then downvoted, while America sleeps.",
">Biology is a thing \n\nSo is gender dysphoria...",
"That's the ideal scientists strive for, but ultimately that's still another feeling, telling you that you can trust your effort and conclusion.\n\nFun fact: There are several foundations for mathematics and logic and at some point you have to make an emotional choice which logic you prefer. Sure, most draw the same conclusions in practice, but they're still based on an emotional decision.",
"So a failed not-even-a-scientist.",
"Worst argument ever: \n\n\"why is my argument invalid?\"\n\n\"Science!\"\n\n\"Explain\"\n\n\"Science!\"\n\nA word is not a valid counterargument. Your inability to grasp the science behind your opinion is not a valid argument for it.\n\n\n",
"Here are my thoughts. Condensed:\n\nI don't trust, a damn word, that comes out of a democrats mouth.",
"> I didn't realize that abortion and personally raising the baby are the only two options.\n\nGiving the baby away results in a shitty existence more often than not. Another option is that the baby has a severe disability.\n\n> Do you feel at all, Mr. Roboto?\n\nIf you believe me or not, I have a lot of empathy to give. I just don't waste too many feelings on non-sentient stuff. If a person dies, I'm sad. If a cat or dog dies (which I don't believe to be fully sentient in the same way that we are) it still makes me sad enough to cry. The death of a baby that had more than a few weeks to develop is on the same level as the death of a dog or a cat to me. It is sad, but not anywhere near murder.",
"/r/atheism is full of atheists and yet we had may-may-june, what's your point? Just because a group has a lot of idiots doesn't make that group idiotic in itself. Also I would love to see a study showing Flat Earthers/Moon-Landing-Deniers and religious evangelicals are correlated. As far as I can tell the Alt-Right seems to come largely from people who are raised traditionally liberal, which is interesting. ",
"Which is someone Russians usually say.",
"You can't just redefine words and then shout down everyone who \"Wait...thats's bullshit\". This is why a lot of people are turning on the left. \n\nYou guys did the same shit with \"racism\" and that \"power + privilege\" shit. \n\nYou cannot just redefine words to fit your political stances and get mad when people refuse to follow your status quo. ",
"That's a pretty reasonable point. Arguing on reddit can just seem so pointless on both sides of the argument because people are so detached on a personal level. ",
"Why do you care? ",
"I reject facts because I don’t like them and *freedom of speech* so I get to talk whatever shit I want.",
"*Evidence based facts are not allowed*",
"religion is not objective truth, but a belief...",
"> tiresomely predictable.\n\n",
"I'm glad we're returning to horrible usernames saying logical and true things instead of what it's usually been, the opposite.",
"Your inability to grasp transness is not a valid argument against it ",
"This lady is typical of the Reddit generation, who think they're geniuses because they read a meme on Reddit posted by some fat, porn-addicted anonymous basement dweller that validates their brainwashing.\n\nI can almost guarantee she also believes that socialism works, that mankind can destroy the climate by putting too much C02 in the atmosphere (same substance plants use to make oxygen and which everyone is constantly breathing out), and that your sex is simply what you choose (and there are TONS of options). It's comical how deluded these people are.",
"For example, Stockholm's syndrome. The feeling of love for an oppressor is definitely wrong. That's why it's treated away! ",
"It is because of Global Warming.\n\nGlobal Warming causes extreme weather changes, not just \"everything is warmer\".\n\nClimate Change is a better term.",
"Why is Whole Foods relevant to this conversation? \n\nHow odd. \n\n",
"Because biologists don't give a fuck about social issues most of the time. ",
"We are. Adam and Jamie are in the top ten anime bromances compilation",
"Here here! I too, am glad I didn't have that tooth pulled. Or, as I like to call it, my son.",
"You can look up World War 2 for an extreme example of why being intolerant of intolerant people is a good thing. ",
"More like ad hominem ",
"> incels are tiresomely predictable.\n\n",
"I'm a 94% on kindness meter ❤",
"Dissemination of high-quality knowledge may very well be the problem. To me, science is about building upon personal understanding - once your focus has shifted to altering the behaviour of others you arent engaging in scientific inquiry, you have become an activist.",
"I am betting that most people, when holding this sign and referring to a specific subject, do not actually know jack about the subject the sign is referring to.\n\nMost people, in my opinion, use the word \"science\" as a placeholder for learning and pleading superiority.\n\nScience says so, therefore it's true. \n\nThe other side of the sign has \"trump\" in it so I assume this is about climate change. If you asked this woman what the temperature difference was in the arctic circle between today and 4 decades ago, (*or any other relatively specific question*) I am betting she doesn't know. She probably also doesn't know more than a handful of tidbits about climate change. Just like most of us. In fact, I am further betting that if you put her and a random climate change denier in a debate room, she'd \"lose\" any argument at least based on pure information.\n\nPeople who deny things generally put more effort into their beliefs, even when they are wrong.\n\nBefore anyone gets any feathers ruffled, ***I am a 100% climate change believer through and through, majority man made at that***, however, I openly admit that my belief comes from my *trust* in science and not from any actual in depth learning about climate change. I just believe it because they told me so.\n\nThat's not being \"smarter\" than the guy who doesn't believe in it. In fact, me looking down at someone who doesn't believe it who's actually spent any time on the subject (even if he is entirely wrong) makes me the idiot of the two.\n\nI guess my point here is that holding this sign does not make for a good argument, someone who doesn't believe in whatever you believe even when backed up with science, does not automatically mean that person has an \"inability to understand\". Counter arguments and even distrust and disbelief are valid precursors and drivers to valid science as science is most definitely not infallible or immune to human influences. \n\nThere are very few things science has emphatically settled. The 'haha you stupid' argument holds up a mirror.",
"Until recently we literally had Nazis hired in the White House. ",
"Science doesn't say that. Science doesn't say much of social issues actually. Maybe psychologists. ",
"sure, but upon replacing that it no longer becomes true...\n\nReligion is a personal belief, not an objective truth.",
"I forgot to put the mandatory /s. Surely i don't believe his opinion is evidence but I thought a Trumpet could use it a silly counter argument.",
"Bad example. If you want to persuade anyone of anything, don't expect to be successful by just telling them they are wrong, or by mocking them. Would that convince you? You might be more successful by listening first to find out what they believe and why, and whether they might listen to you.",
"Why are Trump Zealots obsessed with 'her turn'? When did that ever come up in American political circles?\n\nMy theory is it never came up and it was invented and dissemeniated by Russian shills.",
"Lol. You idiot. Do you accept that a plane flies for a scientific reason or do you just not accept them because you’re clearly no engineer. ",
"Biology doesn't give a fuck about your gender argument. Sort it out amongst yourselves without our involvement. ",
"The feeling *itself* is not wrong, because feelings can't be right or wrong, but you could argue that the *basis* or cause of those feelings are wrong. There's a difference between those statements.",
"Strawman Engines running at full, Captain Incel!! ",
"Read the thread.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pdblv/comment/dsglx3p?st=JC93IGKU&sh=7f4bb729\n\nEdit: also this.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pdblv/comment/dsgleng?st=JC93KH7R&sh=79962c1f",
"That's perfectly OK. One's inability to grasp Scientology really isn't a valid argument against it. Valid arguments against Scientology include:\n\n* There's been no scientific study showing evidence of body thetans. (Or rather no *independent* study.)\n\n* If an with superior intelligence was somehow able to gather up a group of aliens to kill them, why would he design \"space planes\" that look like DC-8's? The DC-8 is a terrible design for space travel.\n\n* If you want to kill a bunch of alien beings, dropping them in volcanos would be enough. Atomic bombs would not be needed. Atomic bombs are very expensive to produce.\n\n* No other religion in the world requires ancient beings to have had such advanced technology.\n\n* It's difficult enough to get a room-full of people to agree on anything, let alone get all graduates of a given field (Psychology) around the world to agree to deceive the rest of the public.\n\n* There are tons of peer-reviewed psychology papers out there. One can review these to see if psychology is some grand conspiracy.\n\nI could go on and on. But my point is that I'm OK with the generalization and sticking in anything. Ignorance is never an argument. If something doesn't seem right, then go study it and get some evidence, have a discussion, and make evidence-backed arguments.",
"aren't you name calling right now?",
"which god? Zeus? Apollo? Hermes? Athena? Or one of the other 4000 gods worshipped throughout human history?",
"Nobody is suggesting you can change your genetic makeup",
"A feeling is defined as an emotional state or reaction, and a conclusion can still be found without it because there are evidences or proofs. Emotions not included.",
"I think it does",
"I'm not that guy, but I don't really care whether it's a mental illness or not. I don't care what others do with their bodies. I do care, however, that a small vocal group of people are pushing for legislation and rules in private organizations (like university campuses, for example) that compel or restrict speech due to the wrong pronouns being used or so-called \"microaggressions\" causing alleged trauma.\n\nDo whatever you want, but don't expect society to follow suit. Religion has been trying to do the same thing in the US for a long time. Just because it'd make your life more comfortable doesn't mean everyone else needs to subscribe to your way of thinking.\n\nI'd also like to point out that I'm not sure if you yourself follow the ideology I'm referencing, but I'm trying to explain the problem that so many people have with the notion of widespread trans acceptance. ",
"And that's why I was agreeing with you",
"Creation science is quite easy concept to prove. Everybody does this on a daily basis to non living objects. Mostly without even thinking about it because the evidence is so obvious. \n\nAn example. Every vehicle you see on the road has a creator. Despite you not ever meeting or seeing the person who assembled your vehicle you know that person exists because you recognize the easily distinguishable elements of design. The vehicles form leads to its functions. It has irreducibly complex parts. You can remove the radio or the horn and the machine still works but if you remove the engine or the wheels the system no longer functions. Knowing this you recognize that this system must have been assembled all at once for it to function.\n\nYour body is ripe with these examples. Look at your hands. You have bones that connect to muscles that connect to tendons that need blood and oxygen to operate. You cant have blood without a heart. Cant have oxygen without the lungs. The elements of design in every living creature are undeniable. They demand a designer. \n\nIt is extremely easy to distinguish an object that was created and one that wasnt. ",
"Entirely as I expected you have stopped making sense.\n\nIgnore file.",
"gender is not biological; you are thinking about sex. There is a delineation between the two.",
"> You said more than that. \"Not better than religious people who don’t accept vaccine\" is a value judgment, meaning they are as immoral as parents who choose to endanger the lives of their children (and others' children, by undermining herd immunity).\n\nWhere do you draw the line for whats immoral and whats not when it comes to giving protection? Is not having vision over your kid when they are crossing a road at the age of 15 immoral because they are at risk at getting hurt? I think that it's hard to make a moral argument about protection other than basic human needs like food, shelter etc.\n\nBut that doesn't matter anyway since that clearly isn't the argument. The argument is that people who hold a certain view, without having any good reason to think so other than culture, are ignorant.\n\n> It's not.\n> This would be a fallacious form: \"97% of climate scientists agree that anthropogenic global warming is happening, so it's true.\"\n> This is not fallacious: \"97% of climate scientists agree that anthropogenic global warming is happening, so we should enact public policy based on the overwhelming likelihood that it's happening.\"\n\nYeah, you are right.\n\n> This island that doesn't have science. It's not a relevant comparison.\n\nI don't think the fact that it doesn't have science is relevant to my old argument. However, I concede this part of my old argument.\n\n\n> Wouldn’t you say that a person who thinks gay marriage is immoral, but can’t explain why it’s immoral except for that it’s “unnatural”, is ignorant?\n\nYou never answered this part.\n",
"Why do you Trumpers make such a big deal out of it? ",
"But Ben & Jerry's 42 ~~flav~~ genders, not so much.",
"Ben Shapiro is intellectually a void.",
"False. Trump is attacked with facts and logic. ",
"That's how science works. All of it. Read a book.",
"Again, you don't have no actual source for your claims. It's pure emotional garbage you just made up. You don't even know what \"liberal\" means nor can you even give any sort of quantification for your \"scientific\" claim. \n \nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism \n \nYou have absolutely no idea what you are even talking about. Just another brainwashed American talking out their ass. \n \nYou say anybody who \"identifies as a liberal\" and has \"left leaning opinions\" is a liberal, yeah? But that's not what the vast majority of the world consider liberal . Quite the opposite. \n \nYou are the very definition of \"feelz before realz\". \n \nAnd of course you are from T_D. Literally the most brainwashed people on the planet. \n",
"Oh look, a brigade.",
"Obsessed because I don’t play along with other people’s mental delusions? Yeah, right.",
"Emotions are definitely involved in whether you accept evidence or proof. Trust is an emotion. When I see a mathematical proof of something counter-intuitive, I look for errors/ways to break the proof until I'm satisfied I can't do it and accept that the proof must be correct. I might still have missed an error - but I've made the emotional decision to accept it.\n\nThis is pretty much the core of psychology.",
"Because the comments in question were made when America is asleep. \n\nReddit conservatives know darned well when American liberals are in bed.",
"For sure. At this point I'm considering dropping anything over a hundred thousand subscribers.",
"You haven't proved anything, saying \"your hands are proof of god\" makes absolutely no sense. How does this show there is a man in the sky? Because vehicles have motors? Do you know what evidence is? Because there is none in your statement unfortunately. \n\nI really would love to see some proof, but saying \"your body is complex therefore god\" is just not a reasonable or logical argument.",
"I see what you're doing... rofl\n\nThe feeling is still wrong no matter what. Both the cause and effect is wrong because the nature itself is inherently wrong.\n\nIt's as if you're saying that saying something bad is wrong, but when it's acted upon, it can't be right or wrong.",
"But is he really though? ",
"Here's a simple point: dogs cannot evolve into whales. I don't need to read a biology textbook or a biased wikipedia article edited by anonymous amateurs to know that is complete BULLSHIT. Or even if they can, there is no way for scientists to know whether this small dog-like creature is the ancestor of whales. They can try to make their imaginative stories seem like facts all they want, I am just using common sense.",
" You're acting like you want information on climate change, but you're asking a random guy on Reddit...I'm sure your curiosity is purely academic. \n\n[NASA](https://climate.nasa.gov/)\n\nKnock yourself out! Go crazy! ",
"Muh delusions! You are insane. American, yeah? ",
"Clever. Say astoundingly stupid wide reaching things, then quote the OP so it can't be used against you.",
"It's weird seeing a username with a butt reference argue -for- science. Because conservatives do enjoy their groin-based usernames. ",
"No, no. A group full of idiots doesn't make the group idiotic. Being wrong and refusing to accept logic makes the group idiotic. It doesn't matter if you're a scientist, a doctor, an artist, of coal miner. If you think the Earth is Flat, or that God is watching over and judging you, you're an idiot. The belief defines the group.",
"The world health organization, the American academy of pediatrics, and the CDC have all said the medical benefits of male circumcision are greater than the risks.",
"The earth is flat and we never landed on the moon. ",
"Not all judgements have to be scientific to have merit. I am not a scientist and so my views are most probably not scientific. I don't claim to be an entirely rational person either, though it is for reasons other than religion.\n\nScience encourages the view that all phenomena have a rational and logical explanation though, and that insights come through repeated experiments. Science really has no place in trying to dissect religion because of this. \n\nThere is no rational or scientific merit to religion because we cannot interact with religious deities to learn about them or their possible existence. This makes finding evidence impossible and applying logic unreasonable. That's why we call it faith. We don't hold faith rationally, we have faith in spite of all reason. That's what makes it important and why it helps people through incredibly dark times.\n\nTo put it plainly, most everyone finds the religious beliefs of others to be not entirely rational or logical. If the religious beliefs of others were entirely rational or logical to you, why wouldn't you believe them?",
"> So by your own admission, she is carrying life inside of her, and you're upset that she's setting that life up for failure and hardship right out of the gate.\n\nNo, she is carrying something that might turn into life. But it's not sentient yet. It can't think or feel anything. The second part of the sentence, I agree with.\n\n> But in the same breath, you're completely okay with taking that potential and completely snuffing it out as though it's a mere tooth.\n\nYes, because it is only that, **potential**. In the same way, ejaculating into a condom is destroying a potential life or deciding not to talk to a certain person might.\n\n> I'm guessing you believe in the Big Bang and evolution, and that everything you see before you is the result of a cosmic lottery that has resulted in me and you having this conversation right now. This reality is all we get and it will never happen again. That sort of thing.\n\nTrue.\n\n> I existing at all are so cosmically small that it's not even mathematically computable, wouldn't an abortion be the shittiest thing you could ever do to another human being that will never have another shot at consciousness?\n\nI don't think it is reasonable to think of a human consciousness before it has actually developed. It is not a shitty thing to do, in my mind, because the 'victim' doesn't actually exist. Think of the following example: You see a person on the street that you like. There is a countless number of possible human beings that the two of you could create together. Out of these countless potential existences, almost all of them could never exist. By your logic, you are doing the shittiest thing to a countless number of potential beings every second that you don't spend fertilizing eggs.\n\nAnother thing that you missed is, that I don't take it for granted that everyone prefers existence to non-existence.",
"Almost 2500 comments.\n\n*Grabs popcorn*",
"True but lurkers exist.\n\nI have argued the liberal position against conservatives in the past. \n\nI didn't convince them but my comments got upvoted. \n\nThis gives me hope. \n\nBecause I remember years ago being very delighted to learn that people who doubt God is real ... they existed too. ",
"The other side of the sign says “evidence trumps opinion”. Pluto will always be a planet to me dammit!",
"Your inability to grasp relationships is not a valid argument against it.",
"I don't think your scientology sign would pass peer review. ",
"https://i.pinimg.com/originals/76/df/fe/76dffebb22137c223194363cc25adce2.jpg",
"So is a scientific basis for race necessary to make the statement:\"black people have on average lower IQ's than white people\" true?\n\nIf no, then why make the point to begin with.\n\nIf yes then is a scientific basis for race necessary to make the statement \"white people make more on average in America than black people people\" true?\n\nIf no, then why the discrepancy? After all we are in both cases making a quantitative statement about the social construct \"white people\" and \"black people\".\n\nIf yes, then how can you talk about white privilege? After all if you can't even agree with me that white people in America make more then black people in America( a core claim associated with the white privilege concept), then how can you agree with the idea of white privilege or any other of its associated claims. In fact how can you make any judgement about race at all.\n\n\n\n",
"Acault isn't done term they made up. How can you claim fundamental issues with \"identity\" when their interviews were with self identifying individuals?\n\n\n>They didn't self identify as transsexual or describe body dysmorphia.\n\nAnd?",
"Irrational numbers aren't real neither, still they exist and are object of science. \nScience accepts their existance.\nScience is the process of knowing Nature as the source of our existence. Some people simplify their views and call it God as the main goal of knowledge.\n",
"This is awesome it works with almost any word!",
"so calling someone a liberal IS an insult? nice lmao",
"Let him have his moment, he gets fussy when he doesn't have his way",
"But also nothing the Earth hasn’t already experienced multiple times... ",
"\"1980-Acid Rain 1990-Ozone Depletion 2000-Global Warming 2010-Climate Change\n\nDespite the warnings of doom and gloom, the solution always remained the same for Democrats. Massive punitive taxes, global redistribution of wealth (largely American wealth), and imposing government regulations.\"\n\nwhoops lmao",
"The thing that I get mad at is that all scientists believe that global warming exists but not all believe that we affect it all that much, and in this it's basically saying my science is better than your science cause the person I listened to told me so.",
"It's not just me saying it. http://science.sciencemag.org/content/349/6251/aac4716\n\n> Assessing whether the replication and the original experiment yielded the same result according to several criteria, they find that about one-third to one-half of the original findings were also observed in the replication study.\n\nIt's literally saying up to two thirds of published psychological studies fail replication. \n\nThat field is a joke. No other field would be able to call themselves \"science\" with so many garbage studies.",
"Lol, your feelings are wrong. \n\nBut all of this discussion comes from the original idea that gender is only binary. And yet, we have many people who do not fit that binary, because they do not mentally feel the same way a typical person does. It doesn't matter wether their feelings are \"right\" or \"wrong\", what matters is did they actually feel those feelings? And they did feel those things, their feelings were real (which is why things like gender dysphoria exist). So the question is, how do we medically treat people with gender dysphoria? \n\nTheir feelings aren't right or wrong, but their feelings are *true*, they *exist*. So how do we medically respond to that? Do we do that by saying \"hurrr there are only two genders and your feelings are wrong\"? What does that accomplish? How would you medically treat people with gender dysphoria?",
"First of all that doesnt answer my question. Second of all i looked for the guy getting hated on, but couldn't find anything. Either you're putting things way out of context or just making shit up. Mind linking me to some of the hate he gets? \n\nAlso when you have [people like this](https://youtu.be/PfH8IG7Awk0?t=2h20m14s) interested in your work, you're doing something wrong. The guy looks and sounds like a token T_D browser who looks up to Richard Spencer. Literally none of what this guy asked about is regarded as a serious argument about \"the left\". Heck he even says something along the lines of \"if they[the left] were to commit suicide\", which is really really worrysome to begin with with as a hypothetical, but the fact that he's not some isolated case makes it terrifying. It's also realllllyyyyy ironic that this guy is accusing \"the left\" of a dozen things the (alt)right is famous for. One quick glance at reddit comments under any political post proves this.\n\nThe professor first striked me as just another anti-PC Christian/alt-right guy who just wanted to polarize people and push a populist agenda to profit from personally(at first glance, as he has a 2 hour long video on the idea of god and then a 5 minute video trying to prove a point about Muhammed pushing an actual alt-right narrative). When you're associated with this hateful group that hates minorities and spreads lies for their own agenda, and you make comments about a controversial subject, you're bound to get some SJW cries. The same way the alt-right has systematically done to (famous) people for believing in leftist ideas. The problem however is that the alt-right has a guy in the white house while the equivalent of the left never had such a thing. \n\nSo yet again, could you point out exactly what you mean(preferably with some context) by \"hate he gets\"?\n\n**edit**: stumbled upon this video of Peterson arguing with a trans person in public and [this moment sparked my interest](https://youtu.be/ZP3mSamRbYA?t=195). The guy behind Peterson goes on to call the trans person weird and pretty much goes on a rant on how trans people are \"different\"(?) in a negative way, while Peterson himself says that the situation described earlier is horrible. As i said, there is something wrong with this guy's presentation as his supporters seem to think differently than himself. It's also painfully obvious around 4:20(hehe) that there are some looks being given by the people behind him, and they're not \"looks\" of \"hey there is something going on here\", they look like \"hey there is drama involving a trans person\" nasty looks, as the guy behind Peterson called them words.",
"Extreme.....gotcha :)\n\nShow me evidence of extreme ",
"There is a brigade from the _ donald.\n\nThat is all.",
"Yes. ",
"Scientist =/= PhD\n\nOne who practices science is a scientist. Principal investigators (one in charge of a study) and staff scientists are often, of not always, PhDs or MDs or MD/PhDs. But being a scientist does not necessarily mean having a graduate degree, just that one practices a science or works in a scientific position/setting.",
"I mean.....\n\nTell that to some \"armchair scientists\" who fail to see that they have to embrace skepticism in order to further actual science.",
"> etc., is it a waste of time?\n\nYes. \n\nIt's just replacing something terrible with intellectual dishonesty.\n\nI -hope- my Grandma and Grandpa are in heaven for eternity.\n\nBut I don't think they are because there is no evidence for it.\n\nWould I be glad to be proven wrong? Yes. ",
"> Being wrong and refusing to accept logic makes the group idiotic\n\nYou and I have a different definition of logic. The Earth being Flat or the existence of God has very little to do with logic (unless you count things like Gödel's ontological \"proof\" of the existence of God, but that doesn't support what you're saying). \n\nThose things are all related to what axioms you have, and what evidence you have (amongst other things). If you *really* want to stretch it you can try to claim that we should interpret \"logic\" to mean Bayesian inference, but then you still haven't shown me that Flat-Earthers don't use internally use Bayesian inference to make their claims. \n\nThe most insane people can also be completely logical. Think John Nash, for example. ",
"I love you still haven't thought of any rebuttal lmao",
"> Science backs the existence of God. \n\nFalse. There is absolutely no evidence God is real.",
"Sam Harris, for example, talks about how he links value to fact very frequently\n\nthink about the stereotypical r/atheist poster and the values and politics they hold. Are those completely scientific? I remember there was a 'science' parade recently to march against Trump's anti-science measures. That is a 'scientific' ritual that is not scientific.\n\nThis is the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Science itself is a narrowly defined tool.",
"It doesn't make it invalid though. You shouldn't just hop on a bandwagon against something without educating yourself first. ",
"thin lipped, overweight, white guilt-ridden, middle aged woman with a fitbit. I suspect never married, has a cat at home and spends all of her time ranting about \"Social justice\". ",
"Insane, from the person who lives by constant play-pretend.\n\nAnd no I’m not American ",
"The science circlejerk without skepticism will be the end of true science.\n\nAnd the worst part is? What comes next will still be disguised as science.... thus invalidating everything that was learned during the era of \"true\" science to future generations.",
"Your inability to grasp how to pump your own gas is not a valid argument against it!",
"The leaders of the _ donald brigade need to tell their minions to bring different arguments. \n\nI mean it's so obvious when there's two dozen people showing up screeching about genders.\n\n",
"I’m just glad that more and more of reddit is tired of the bullshit being posted here. Early last year most of the top comments on this kind of thing were people jerking each other off. Now it’s almost entirely people complaining about pics being a political shit hole. \n\nMaybe some day the mods will listen and actually remove these useless pictures of text.",
"Precisely, these leftists spout this sort of stuff on their high horse then someone like James Damore uses actual science to present a basis to help Google achieve more inclusion then gets fired immediately and his life threatened.\n\n\n\n\n",
"Who are these 'plenty'? I am willing to be surprised.",
"Everybody claims to be fiscal conservatives.",
"Are you human or just a bot? \n\nTell me a fact about Europe's animals.",
"Yeah.... it's the perfect balance of feeding the science circlejerk and not being too detailed. Reddit eats this stuff up.",
"It was just a sign, mate ",
"I'm not sure if you're putting up and act or just ignorant ",
"That's Trump's motto.",
"So what is my gender then? \n \nWhat is this \"63 genders\" talking point even based on? \n \nWhy are you so obsessed with people's sexuality? ",
"That's the thing. (collective \"you\"s below, open to the entire audience, whoever the shoe fits for....which inevitably means people think \"Not me, couldn't be me, I'm perfect!\"....but whatever, just saying, it's not personal to Tehmaxx, they just provided a good launch point)\n\nSome people create arguments that they think are bound solely to science when they really really aren't, but *are* filled with confirmation bias chief among the many cognitive biases that are present. Many assume a conclusion and then work to rationalize it, not an honest application of scientific rigor, *at all*.\n\nGet enough of them together and they get the false impression of being right because everyone agrees, which adds another layer of bias, of feeling/emotion clouding judgement.\n\nSo you have data. The data is true. But what you extract from that data, that which you claim is meaningful, might very well be utter fabrication, aka rhetoric, aka bullshit rationalizations.\n\nPeople do this all the time, even smart and informed people can fall prey to their own biases, much more some half informed activist with a sign or some douche-bag or shit-sandwich on reddit.\n\nFeeling like one is on \"the right side of history\" or \"taking the moral high road\" adds yet another problem into the mix, and it happens on both ends of the spectrum a *lot*.\n\n\"Feeling\" that you've got the right cause or intent does not necessitate that you've got the right solution. Many times your opposition even agrees with the cause, but sees your solution is stupid as fuck and not going to work. So, when they say something, they get called a @#$%-ist bigot accused of causing strife and division...\n\nWTF. Too many people are emotionally involved, lash out at even constructive criticism, are basically irrational as fuck. IT's kind of sickening to see some of these people actually grow and influence others.\n\nModern day zealots and fanatics, again, on both sides of most arguments. Half the time they're not even attacking each other, but people more similar than they realize, falsely percieved \"traitors\" often get extra loathing.\n\nIt's an incredibly sad state of affairs.",
"But god shouldn't be your main goal of knowledge, dedicating yourself to something that might not even exist is wasteful. Go, discover new things, study stuff, expand your knowledge. Learn.",
"There have been and will be societies with non-binary systems of recognition, but trying to force a society (let's say the general status quo in the United States, for example) is where a lot of people take issue with that position. The paper claims that gender is a spectrum, which may be true, but it also recognizes that gender is a construct. These constructs very obviously differ throughout different cultures. Just because one society had recognized non-binary genders as a norm doesn't mean the rest have to as well, nor does it normalize transgenderism in that culture. \n\nThe \"64 genders\" or whatever else being mentioned in this thread is pointing out the ridiculous notion that non-binary pronouns or ideologies are meant to be accepted on any level of the (presumably) American status quo. It's much like trying to push religion onto society and into legislation - do what you wish and believe what you wish in private, but society is not obligated to change based on your worldview and you shouldn't expect it to. ",
"Can someone please tell me what this is supposed to be? What protest/rally is this?",
"the reason i didn't elaborate is that I am at work, If I remember, I will in 5-6 hours",
"actually, i'm just pointing out that libs never seem to have any facts or evidence, but always resort to name calling and tantrums. ",
"I see. Does your education in caricatures of ideas you disagree with permit the existence of kind and caring people across ideological lines or is this one of those conversations that begins and ends with strange accusations? Because I would argue that I care far more about the emotional wellbeing of people struggling with GID than someone who goes around telling seeming conservatives that they embody cruelty.",
"So what you’re saying is evidence doesn’t matter? Fiiiiiiiiiiinally! I’m so tired of “evidence” these days. What happened to when I could be proudly ignorant?",
">The problem I see with this sign is that you could swap in nearly anything for the word \"science\" and be making a similar-sounding (and itself) argument. \"Your inability to grasp [Scientology] is not a valid argument against it\", for example.\n\nI see no problem with the sign. Your objection itself contains logical and factual flaws. First of all, you seem to imply that any statement in this form is an argument for the validity of its subject. Actually, the point being made is that ignorance can never be a logically valid proof for or against any conclusion. When properly understood, one can see that both the original statement and your supposedly absurd version are both true. Furthermore, this statement does NOT contain an appeal to emotion. By injecting a controversial subject to make your point, it is actually you who commits that fallacy.",
"Does it though? So if global warming is real, and the oceans are set to rise due to the melting ice caps, why are your heroes Al Gore and Barrack Obama buying beachfront properties. Oh, and how are the polar ice caps, which Al Gore predicted to be severely deplenished by 2014, actually gaining in size?\n\nCould they be completely full of shit? \n\n ",
"Al Gore is a hero of mine? I had no idea. Who else are my heroes?",
"Science is provable though, show me proof a God exists. I have nothing against religion, but let's be honest, these things are not remotely comparable in truth.",
"Thank you for challenging me on this, because of you, I'm a bit more learnt'.\n\n>Here are my thoughts. Condensed:\n\n>I don't trust, a damn word, that comes out of a democrats mouth.\n\nYour claim of willful ignorance doesn't help your argument much. \nI don't claim to be an expert, but I don't dismiss the expertize of people with decades of their lives spent studying issues that matter. What you spew is a rejection of years of fact-based studies and a consensus with real consequence. \n\nAs a species, we have dedicated brain power, human resources and faith in science to explain the world around us for hundreds of years, but you flippantly ignore it all away.\n\nYour ignorance hurts us all.\n\n**Herds of people who think likewise:**\n\n[Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations\n\"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver.\" (2009)](https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/)\n\n\n[List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations\nThe following are scientific organizations that hold the position that Climate Change has been caused by human action](http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html)\n\nThere are many more resources for you to explore and help you erase the ignorance you've invested yourself to. Good luck. \n\n",
"And you'd be wrong.",
"If a thing is disproven then it is no longer science. ",
"We don't have facts or evidence. Right. I'm sure the right love science. I've NEVER seen a conservative science denier.",
"Because.. it's a valid position! Surprise!",
"Ah neat another person with the inability to grasp the difference between \"sex\" and \"gender\"",
"the good news is that i don’t live in that country :-)",
"> Here's a simple point: dogs cannot evolve into whales. \n\nThat is actually true, no extant group of animals can evolve into another. Pakicetus, however, is not a dog. \n\n>I don't need to read a biology textbook or a biased wikipedia article edited by anonymous amateurs to know that is complete BULLSHIT.\n\nHow can you proclaim something bullshit without basic education on the subject? \n\n>Or even if they can, there is no way for scientists to know whether this small dog-like creature is the ancestor of whales. \n\nDog-like? So you accept it is not a dog?\n\n>They can try to make their imaginative stories seem like facts all they want, I am just using common sense.\n\nCommon sense is useless in science.Things that were \"common sense\" 100 years ago are stupid today. ",
"In biology, it is never referred to as \"gender,\" it is \"sex.\" There are two sexes. \"Gender\" is societal term. If you don't believe me, look in like any dictionary, or look back on your bio notes",
"Your inability to grasp theoretical physics is NOT a valid argument against Rick and Morty",
"So which thread in the _ donald sent you over here?\n\nAlso; In biology, it is never referred to as \"gender,\" it is \"sex.\" There are two sexes. \"Gender\" is societal term. If you don't believe me, look in like any dictionary, or look back on your bio notes",
"So basically you don’t give a fuck what the actually science says. You think it’s bullshit so you won’t even read into the actually theory itself. Makes complete sense.",
"Its impossible to disprove something. For example, can you disprove that there is an invisible spaghetti monster floating above Pluto?\n\nIt is, however, possible to prove something does exists. Where is your proof?",
"Substitute the word \"science\" with \"economics\" and you have the other side's argument.",
"No. \n\nThere is no evidence for God.\n\n",
"They don't.\n\nIn biology, it is never referred to as \"gender,\" it is \"sex.\" There are two sexes. \"Gender\" is societal term. If you don't believe me, look in like any dictionary, or look back on your bio notes",
"Who says they want to waste money? Durp",
"most who say socialism works or don't work, don't really know fully what the term means, and what countries on the planet currently view themselves as socialistic countries, and how far their actual governing differ from the terms definition.",
"Acid rain was a real problem, and we fixed it with tighter fossil fuel emission controls. Ozone depletion was a real problem, and we fixed it by limiting aerosols.\n\nGlobal warming was changed to climate change because the word \"warming\" was being used out of context every time it got cold anywhere in the world. The average temperature globally is rising, this means more energy in the global climate system, which means bigger peaks and valleys in localized temperature, pressure, humidity, etc.",
"And I don't dismiss years of Democrats doing everything they can to weaken America to the point of socialism. \n\nMaybe I'd be a bit more in tune to listen to what they have to say if their solutions, for literally everything, isn't always the same.\n\n-Punitive taxes\n-Global redistribution of wealth\n-Strict government regulation\n\nSo let's say global warming is real. How do the above three points listed improve that situation.",
"You don't need to understand climate change in order to believe in it. Once, long ago, firemen came by and told me to leave the building because of a gas leak.\n\nI didn't quite understand but I left because I trust firemen.",
"Well, it does, as per Wikipedia.\n https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance\n\nIt's a fallacy no matter where you go, but I'm you won't have a hard time finding other valid arguments.",
"In biology, it is never referred to as \"gender,\" it is \"sex.\" There are two sexes. \"Gender\" is societal term. If you don't believe me, look in like any dictionary, or look back on your bio notes",
"Attacking the person is the way to go. Don't actually attempt to discuss topics, as that is an easy way to make oneself look foolish when one has no argument. The only recourse a losing side has is to attack the person. The person is easy to attack.",
"Calling someone stupid and ignorant is not a valid argument!",
"In biology, it is never referred to as \"gender,\" it is \"sex.\" There are two sexes. \"Gender\" is societal term. If you don't believe me, look in like any dictionary, or look back on your bio notes",
"It can, but not for his reason. He's not avoiding scientific treatment.",
"What’s your argument against him?",
"Hopefully nobody is forcing you to kill either. ",
"In biology, it is never referred to as \"gender,\" it is \"sex.\" There are two sexes. \"Gender\" is societal term. If you don't believe me, look in like any dictionary, or look back on your bio notes",
"> Lol, your feelings are wrong.\n\nYou just accepted my point.\n\nI'm glad I could be of help to you.\n\n\\#FeelingBlessed",
"researching his opinions.",
"Eeeeeh I get mixed results. Sci-hub is always there for me, though",
"A community of people decide to pool their money according to their faith. Why should that be taxable? I understand there's some scummy mega-churches, but that's no argument against the modest communities of 100.",
"We can try. But telling businesses they need to take drastic measures immediately due to a panel of climatologists is nonsense.\n\nI’m all for scientist making decisions, but it’s on them financially if they are wrong. It’s easy to scream “the sky is falling, the sky is falling!” Every day if when it doesn’t you don’t face repercussions",
"Yeah, sorry if my response was kinda cutting or accusatory...it wasn't meant to be. I agree with you though, using signs to \"shout\" at or talk past those you disagree with doesn't do much good for furthering the discussion or persuading people.",
"Yes, Vin Diesel is entertaining. ",
"If any gender is acceptable, I want to be an attack helicopter!",
"On Transgenderism? Any link that would educate me?",
"If Jesus is going to judge me -because- I rejected him than I was right TO reject him",
"...Are you talking to the wrong guy? I made no claims in this thread.",
"Love how you dodged the actual issue. Good job!",
"I'd say you can raise your voice in support of, or against, any position.\n\nThe best counter-empiricists do not.",
"What effect do you think Europeans had on Africans when they colonized the entire continent, killing anyone who fought back or challenged their authority?\n\nWhat effect do you think centuries of slavery and segregation had and continue to have on American blacks?\n\nEDIT: Folks, this is a legitimate question meant to spur discussion. I thought we were shitting on the argument from ignorance here. Stating differences in IQ without discussing why they exist or what the implications are only breeds ignorance.",
"I refuted your source, whereas you deny the validity of anything that defies your presupposed notions, which makes you the science denier. Furthermore, even if that were a typo in the DSM, it still doesn't explain away the fact that the conference was all about normalizing pedophilia because of the APA's DSM.",
"your inability to grasp biology is not a valid argument against it",
"I have not seen Ben's opinions on transgenderism. I insulted him on his other opinions. \n\nhttps://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ben_Shapiro",
"Calling people idiots will certainly convince them that they are wrong! ",
"> a sizable portion of liberals’ arguments are hugely emotion based rather than science based. \n\nThis is the context of this discussion. Try to keep up. \n \nYou do not have any sort or source to back that up. It's hot garbage. Emotional drivel. \n \nAlways with this same shit.... ",
"No, just like you can't give me concrete evidence god doesn't exist.",
"> Its impossible to disprove something.\n\n\nThats not true at all. I can easily disprove the sky isn't green and the grass isn't blue. There is no solid proof that god exists and there is no solid proof he doesn't.",
"Wow! That's really original and witty! \n \nYou alt-reichers sure are a bright bunch! \n\n ",
"This sign is stupid populism just as bad as anti-vaxxers. Consent requires understanding.\n\nAs a damn citizen of a functioning state I have a right to be informed about how things work if I am expected to take part in them. Otherwise its a short step to castrating all the dumb dumbs, taking away their rights and forcing them to do whatever the clever scientists says... and if you disagree, well that's your inability to grasp science.\n\n",
"Yes calling people stupid always works to t change their mind. ",
"> Is shown science\n> \"Dubious source\"\n\nTfw you can't handle the truth.",
"There are only two genders",
"> Where do you draw the line for whats immoral and whats not when it comes to giving protection?\n\nI don't know exactly where the line is drawn, but I think you and I both agree that wherever it is, failing to vaccinate your kids is immoral. Antibodies are a basic human need. In the past, we just had to hope that kids could acquire them without dying. Now we can do more than hope.\n\n> But that doesn't matter anyway since that clearly isn't the argument. The argument is that people who hold a certain view, without having any good reason to think so other than culture, are ignorant.\n\nI don't care to dispute that. I was pointing out that you originally implied more than that by comparing a case of immorality in your original example, rather than just ignorance. \n\n> You never answered this part.\n\nI would say they're ignorant. But I would also say that ethical philosophy has not yet developed the kind of epistemological rigor that the physical sciences have. So I don't think they're equivalent kinds of ignorance. Believing gay marriage is immoral, without being able to explain why, is like believing gay marriage is moral without explanation. These are both different from relying on the work of a vast majority of experts in a physical science.",
"Let's ignore everything about emotions and let's get retarded!\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4050437/\n\n#How emotions affect logical reasoning: evidence from experiments with mood-manipulated participants, spider phobics, and people with exam anxiety\n",
"There are only two genders. Science says so.",
"> when one has no argument\n\n\nHmmm.\n\n> Exactly.\n2 Genders!\nSupply and Demand Economics!\n\n\nWhere is \"the argument\" again? Because i'm just seeing autofellation here.",
"I'm Asian, though! I'm a minority. ;)",
"If you find the time, do watch a video or two about his views on Transgenderism when he actually debates about it and let me know.",
"The NASA site shows predictions. I think we need evidence. NOAA has stated no impact of CO2 and hurricanes to date....hmm I wonder why?",
"I’m not obsessed, I couldn’t give less of a shit what they ‘identify’ as in regular circumstances, so long as they keep it to themselves.\n\nThe problem starts when they force their gender on others ie bill c-16, or try to spread their delusions (and yes that’s exactly what it is, don’t pretend otherwise) and expect others to play along with their fantasies.",
"I know we did when I was in school. But we also watched a whole lot of Bill Nye The Science Guy episodes.",
"You are American, aren't you? \n \n",
"oh. well then.\n\nanyway, i wonder if reading superficial science trivia increases or lessens the need to actually learn science... like as in \"wow this is cool, i want to know more\" vs. \"welp i've learned something, no need to do any more\".",
"> scientific evidence that there is a biological basis for race and its effect on general intelligence.\n\nNone of your listed papers denote race, only heritable genetics.\n",
"I don't understand why that should be needed as I consider him dumb as hell. \n\n",
"> But, too much of how the universe works just seems to makes so much sense to lead to us evolving that it seems like there is something bigger then us. \n\n\"Imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in, an interesting hole I find myself in, fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!'\"",
"Caitlyn Jenner, Napoleon Dynamite, Jeff Probst, and Bart Starr.",
"Nope.",
"Yea its a disorder....",
"I could link you to the evidence tab directly if it helps, but we both know you won't care either way. Relevant username indeed. ",
"Literally none of this speaks to the scientific, biological basis for these ideas.\n\nWhich are never provided. Because they don't exist. Which is why this is all considered self serving shit by anyone with a background in hard science or statistics.",
"Yes, I do care what the science says. The thing is I am not dumb enough to think that there is any REAL science or evidence that some dog/rat creature evolved into whales. It's simply impossible because noone was there millions of years ago, supposedly, to witness any of this happening. It's just a claim made by scientists, there are no real facts.\n\nI keep hearing science is about observation, empiricism, repeatable experiments, etc. None of that is present with the fake, imagined story of the dog thing turning into a whale due to RANDOM genetic mutations. It's absurd, but people like you are easily fooled because these fake stories are called \"SCIENCE!\".",
"Both far sides are typically guilty of this. \n\nRight: Climate change has been shown to be progressing at an expedited rate. It's time to do something. \n\nLeft: Your sex is determine by your chromosomes...not by your current state of mind. ",
"right, and that's why they go through gender reassignment, because it's the best treatment for the disorder. ",
"Why does this consistently make the front page? Is it from something? just seems like straight up nerd garb",
"The message on the other side reads \"Evidence trumps opinion\"",
"Two terms sweetheart ;)",
"> I’m not obsessed, I couldn’t give less of a shit what they ‘identify’ as in regular circumstances, so long as they keep it to themselves.\n\nThe fucking irony. You are the one who is so obsessed that you simply can't keep it to yourself. The very existence of these boogeymen peeves you constantly. \n \n> bill adds gender expression and identity as a protected ground to the Canadian Human Rights Act \n \nAnd why is this such a horror in your opinion? \n \n \n> expect others to play along with their fantasies. \n \nWhat does that even mean? You are so angry over literally nothing. Made up shit that hasn't affected you in any way. ",
"You definitely just mistook me for the OP and are trying to pretend like it didn't happen,lol.\n\n>You do not have any sort or source to back that up. It's hot garbage. Emotional drivel.\n\nI don't even agree with the OP claimant you doofus, I believe both sides are equally emotionally driven.\n\nBtw, I'm not american so you were wrong again. You shouldn't just presume someone's nationality, makes you look bad.",
"You basically said the same thing anyway... \"Though you may not have all the facts... you trust his promises.\" that is hardly a different definition. everyone has different interpretations, and yours and mine differ, and there's nothing wrong with that. With religion no one can be right. \n\nI went to one of the top ranked Philosophy programs in the country. Granted that was 15 years ago. \n\nI know wikipedia isnt a scholarly source but: \nA leap of faith, in its most commonly used meaning, is the act of believing in or accepting something outside the boundaries of reason.[1] In the case of religious belief, it is to believe in a subjective truth about the meaning of life,[2] to believe in something that cannot be objectively confirmed in this world. Many religions consider faith to be an essential element of piety.\n\nDifferent religions and different philosophers have different interpretations on what faith is and what constitutes evidence/proof. but all in all, there is (and likely never will be) concrete hard evidence proving the existence of God. that is what I meant and most people mean with evidence. \n\nWhat God has given you may be evidence to you, but could be random luck to another (plus what about those who suffered their entire lives, they would disagree with that). \n\nMost philosophers would not consider that to be proof or knowledge. But that doesn't make it wrong or you wrong. And if thats what you believe thats great, I wish I had faith. ",
"They don't need to.\n\nThe claim is: There is a god. \n\nBurden of proof is on the claim.",
">Yes, I do care what the science says. \n\nThen why not actually read a textbook? \n\n>It's simply impossible because none was there millions of years ago, supposedly, to witness any of this happening.\n\nAnd we do not need to. We have evidence it happened. That is all that matters in science, evidence.\n\n>It's just a claim made by scientists, there are no real facts.\n\nAgain, how can you keep making these claims when you never even read a simple textbook?\n\n>None of that is present with the fake, imagined story of the dog thing turning into a whale due to RANDOM genetic mutations. \n\nAgain. Textbook. Read one. They dont just go \"Common descent is a fact, deal with it\". They actually bloody explain the evidence. ",
"Exactly. ",
"> a panel of climatologists is nonsense.\n\nStill misleading.\n\nWe're not talking about a panel of 24 year old post-grads.\n\n[We're talking about >97% of all climate scientists.](https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/) \n\n[The consequences of inaction will be mass death.](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/07/climate-change-earth-too-hot-for-humans.html)",
"[Every.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_rain) [single.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion) [one.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change) of those environmental problems are scientifically proven to be real. lol\n\nJesus Christ... trump supporters are literally too fucking stupid to take sides with the planet that every single one of their brain-dead trash-tier gene having descendants will live on.\n\n\n\nYou brainwashed babydicks are too busy breaking the economy with corporate welfare and massive handouts to the obscenely wealthy to realise that there's an [OVERWHELMING AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE](https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence) against corporate anti-environment propaganda that you can't just pretend doesn't exist.\n\nI'm surprised you millionaire-worshiping dumbfucks have time to put your little overalls and nascar hats back on with how often you let the obscenely wealthy fuck your uneducated asses while trashing our economy and environment.\n\n[Again , sorry about your brains trumptards! Stay in school kids!](https://i.imgur.com/ncPzHqk.png)\n\nSad!",
"> You definitely just mistook me for the OP and are trying to pretend like it didn't happen,lol.\n\nNo, you are using the same off bullshit tactic as always. You defend a point and suddenly appeal to not being the guy who I responded to as if it's supposed to be an argument and ther ultimate gotcha. \n \n> I believe both sides are equally emotionally driven.\n \nMuh both sides! \n \n/r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM \n \n \n> Btw, I'm not american so you were wrong again. You shouldn't just presume someone's nationality, makes you look bad.\n \nWhere are you from then, Mr. Bofsidez? ",
"Are you done rallying against equality? Does it get tiring diddling all those kids you rape?",
"There are many possible avenues to pursue, some better than others in my view, but of course since I'm trapped in subjectivity I *would* think so.\n\nIn this case, by privileging love as a supreme virtue above \"striving to be rational and objective,\" a task we will always fail anyways, based on our observations so far. Some people, shockingly, would prefer to live lives of loving, passionate fulfillment and be **wrong** according to an advocate of [scientism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism) than live an existence defined by what can be measured, recorded, and observed by others, even while understanding and acknowledging that facts can at times be useful.\n\nhttps://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rationalism-empiricism/\n\nhttps://plato.stanford.edu/entries/postmodernism/\n\nhttps://plato.stanford.edu/entries/religion-epistemology/#RejeEnliEvid\n\nhttps://plato.stanford.edu/entries/religion-science/\n\nThere are people who have had religious (or alien, or other) experiences which seem to them not to fit into the modernist [scientistic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism) worldview. True, some of them throw out the baby with the bathwater and reject entirely the actual scientific method, itself. Which is too bad. \n\nEven if you don't \"believe in it,\" science is a very compelling way to wrestle with the confusing experience of human existence, and has a great deal of value to offer even to people who might reject some or all of its fundamental philosophical (or in some cases, religious) assumptions and premises. \n\nAnother way to approach this apparent duality is [suggested by Zizek,](http://theleaderlessrevolution.com/post/13662090381/zizek-on-contemporary-ideology-in-a) who cites an anecdote about Niels Bohr: surprised at seeing a horse-shoe above the door of Bohr’s country house, a fellow scientist exclaimed that he did not share the superstitious belief that horse-shoes kept evil spirits away, to which Bohr snapped back, ‘I don’t believe in it either. I have it there because I was told that it works even when one doesn’t believe in it’. \n\n[Reza Aslan](http://rezaaslan.com/) is currently popularizing what I see as a more useful, pragmatic, and non-binary approach.",
"Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur\n\nWhat can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.",
"No, people can do whatever they want. Just don't expect me to pretend that there are 63 genders and that a hermaphroditic medical condition is a third sex. ",
"Tongue but hole.",
"While it is very common for scientists or people with a scientific background to be agnostic or atheist, some of the most religious people or religious philosophers have a scientific background (granted they are in the minority). \n\nIts funny how for some it leads them to religion/ God, and others it leads them away. \n\nIts awesome that you have religion, I wish I had faith. Like you said, you are never alone! Like you said as well, the evil from religion is a result of manipulators, not the religion itself. There is nothing wrong with religion, just some people. ",
"He'll judge you because all are judged, and your conviction will be perfectly just, whether your rebellion and wickedness is laid upon your head or atoned on His.",
"Do you apply this to economics experts only? Science experts are a thing because science works. Do you have the capability to explain how your device processes the binary and hex codes from inside your computer through the internet to reddit? I know I don’t. But others do. Computer and data scientists study this and much more on a regular basis. If theory is to advance it cannot come from an uneducated person like me. It’s up to the research and development work of scientists and experts. The fact that I’m using a phone to send and receive data is proof of my trust in their ability. Otherwise I’d not have spent money on the phone.\n\nYes experts can be wrong about specific subject and others could be malicious people concealing data to avoid getting to the public. But if that’s what we focus on instead of the vast majority of progress that helps our every day lives we set ourselves on the path to become tin foil hat types. ",
"> What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.\n\n",
"You do know there's parts of Africa that are completely untouched/colonized?\n\nLiberia founded by freed slaves who were given a shit ton of money and resources to start their own country.\n\nand then Ethiopia...briefly touched by Italy in the 1900s and never again.\n\nBoth countries are festering shit piles.\n\nAlso we're talking purely genetic allele's and genetic drift this has 0 to do with anything else.\n\nYour inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.\n\nYou can make up faerie tale BS like \"muh white ppl\" but if you want to talk science. Let's talk science.\n\n",
"Well, Trump certainly lost the illegal immigrant vote, but that won't be an issue in 2020 ;)\n\nKeep that salt train chugging along princess",
"Same applies to two sexes then.",
"Well, you could start by not conflating the politics of science with evidence based conjecture and study. I encourage you to have a healthy amount of skepticism but you should balance that with an equally important dose of curiosity. And, maybe this is just me being an idealist, a little faith in humanity for humanity's sake. As a species, we have come along way in a really short period, but in the vast span of time, we're but a fucking fart in the wind. ",
"No one is arguing gay people are a myth. ",
"Science is not a force that permeates the universe. It is a method of study and categorizing information. \"If I drop an apple, will it fall to the ground? It did? Ok, let's do that again a dozen times to check that the first time wasn't a fluke.\" Of course the \"scientific method\" is a bit more formalized and has a few more steps than that, but that's the basic idea.\n\nIt's not that difficult a concept. If someone believed in science and believed that other people didn't understand it, the rational thing to do would be to explain how it works. Or send people to the [Wikpedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science) if that's too much effort.",
"\"I USE EMOTIONS BECAUSE I DONT ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND SCIENCE AND ITS TRENDY TO\"",
"> That is actually true, no extant group of animals can evolve into another.\n\nOk so if no group of animals can evolve into any other, how did the modern forms arise? How did reptiles evolve into birds and mammals? How did amphibians evolve from fish? How did everything evolve from a microscopic bacteria? For the modern forms to have arisen, one kind of animal has to be capable of evolving into another kind over time, correct? That is the whole point of evolutionary theory, to explain the origin of new life forms from existing ones. You don't even seem to grasp the most basic aspects of the theory.\n\n> How can you proclaim something bullshit without basic education on the subject?\n\nHow do you know what my level of education on the subject is? I am actually very well studied in the field of biology and evolutionary theory.\n\n> Dog-like? So you accept it is not a dog?\n\nOf course not. It is some creature that looks similar to a dog. I was just using that term because according to their cartoon renditions of the creature, it seems most similar to modern dogs. Sorry I had to explain that to you.\n\n> Common sense is useless in science.\n\nI think that about sums up how you think. And it's not good.",
"https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USA_2000_black_density.png\n\nI guess you're saying blacks and hispanics don't graduate high school. You racist!\n\nSad\n",
"Then I am right TO reject him",
"This applies to the argument against there being a god too due to the fact it the argument against there being a god is asserted without evidence.",
"2 genders",
"You're precious",
"What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.",
"Reload the comments and you will find people who do not.",
"Authority doesn't have to take an official form in this sense. If you consider someone to be an authority on a subject, then it's an authority.",
"No. \n\nI don't understand how fire extinguishers work but they do work.",
"But Bible passage x:x clearly contradicts it !!",
"What the actual fuck is all this ozone stuff in these comments? That was real. We fixed it by limiting the use of aerosols.",
"And they would be wrong. There is no proof God is real.",
">No, you are using the same off bullshit tactic as always. You defend a point and suddenly appeal to not being the guy who I responded to as if it's supposed to be an argument and ther ultimate gotcha.\n\nNo, I just hate when people do the \"define this widely accepted term in a way I arbitrarily agree with or not\" tactic.\n\n>Muh both sides!\n\n>/r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM\n\n\nMore like human nature and normal distribution.The whole \"flip a coin a hundred times\" thing.\n\nI am not even close to a centrist.\n\n>Where are you from then, Mr. Bofsidez?\n\nWest Europe.(inb4 \"insert stereotype about Europeans here\")\n",
"Go on then, mr science, tell me how many genders there are",
"Gender and sex are not the same thing. Sex is biological, gender is sociological.",
"The problem is political correctness. You either 100% blindly accept the party line or you are demonized. That is not how science works in reality. ",
"I'm sorry you have gotten confused.\n\nYour claim was there is a god, now apply razor. \n\nIF by chance you are not claiming there is a god, then I agree and there is no need to disprove anything.",
">Results showed a clear effect of emotions on reasoning performance.\n\n>Several studies on logical reasoning found that participants' performance is modulated by their emotional state\n\nI don't know why you're undermining your own point here. There are emotional states better or worse suited to logical reasoning, which supports \"logical\" processes having emotional input.",
"[Here's what the Earth looks like from a Satellite.](https://youtu.be/EPyl1LgNtoQ) \n\nSee how easy that was. I didn't have to make up fake anything or pervert irrelevant principles to try and sound smart but only makes you look more delusional. That's a camera video right there. A real camera that's really circling the Earth with labels of landmarks from space you can really set foot on from Earth if you so chose to travel to those places. Have a nice day.",
"Gotta love people who don't grasp the difference between sexes (biological) and genders (social).",
"And a frog in a pond is literally not a cat in a hat. Your point? ",
"Gotta love people who don't grasp the difference between sexes (biological) and genders (social).",
"Gotta love people who don't grasp the difference between sexes (biological) and genders (social).",
"wellllll that is not the basis for climate change deniers. they are now on the idea that the data has been recorded wrong to purposefully indicate warming. ",
"Gotta love people who don't grasp the difference between sexes (biological) and genders (social).",
">Ok so if no group of animals can evolve into any other, how did the modern forms arise?\n\nNo, that is not what I said. No EXTANT group can evolve into another extant group. A wolf wont evolve into a duck. But they do have a common ancestor, just like everything else does.\n\n>You don't even seem to grasp the most basic aspects of the theory.\n\nIts amazing that you can make such a claim based on you not being careful enough when reading my comment and missing an entire word that completely changes its meaning.\n\n>How do you know what my level of education on the subject is? I am actually very well studied in the field of biology and evolutionary theory.\n\nSeriously? Is this a claim you will try to defend now? It is obvious what your level of education on the subject is from every sentence that you write about evolution. But hey, maybe I am wrong. Please do tell me what evolution textbook you have read and what did not make sense in it.\n\n\n>I think that about sums up how you think. And it's not good.\n\nSo you will ignore the very next sentence? Did we, or did we not, repeatedly showed common sense to be wrong? Doctors used to think when you wash your hands with soap that was it, your hands are clean. That was common sense. Then we learned about microscopic lifeforms. When you study a complex subject, any topic really, at some point common sense disappears. It becomes useless. The only thing you can rely on is evidence. How is this not clear? Do not ignore this. Stop being belligerent. Talk like an adult. ",
"We won't make shoes small enough for your feet.",
"> Acault isn't done term they made up\n\nCorrect, \"acault\" is the Burmese term most commonly used in reference to homosexual men. Though as the paper says, \"Western concepts of transsexualism, gynemimesis, transvestism, and homosexuality are not distinct categories by the Burmese.\" So this makes sense that absolutely any deviance from cis straight male patterns would be called acault (even cis homosexual males).\n\n> How can you claim fundamental issues with \"identity\" when their interviews were with self identifying individuals\n\nBecause they didn't self identify as transgender. They self identified as acault. The behavior they observed was some cross dressing in ceremonial rituals. This is not the same as transgender. If it were we would refer to transvestites as transgenders. They are not. \n\n> And?\n\nBeing trans is not the behavior of a person, but the feeling of being misgendered at birth. It has nothing to do with emotional qualities (for instance a male with \"feminine\" emotional traits is not trans) or behavior (wearing a dress and make up, or acting \"girly\"). It has to do with body dysmorphia. That is the only thing that makes a person trans. It's not some conceptual thing that can be arrived at where a person sees through gender as a social construct of mislabeling emotional patterns into a gender, and thus congratulates themselves with the title of nonbinary, or gender queer. Trans is distinct. Trans is from birth. They look down, and their body is not correct. It has nothing to do with behavior or emotion. It has to do with one's fundamental identity from birth.",
"Username checks out.\n\n6/10 8 day old troll account.",
"We are already past that though. In the '800 people thought that science could explain everything, to the point that they put a physicists as head of the philosophy department in Vienna's university, which was the most important of the world at the time. After refusing to accept any principle of uncertainty for many years, the scientific community eventually gave up and accepted that science will never give us a definitive truth, it can only get us closer to it. So on one side science is a really reliable tool to understand our world and blindly refusing it is foolish, on the other nothing is ever certain and any theory could be disproved with a new discovery at any given time",
"On the back:\nEVIDENCE TRUMPS OPINION ",
"I don't give a shit about genders. \n\nI give a shit about having a planet that humans can live on.\n\nAre you going to ask me if I say \"happy holidays\" instead of \"merry christmas\" next , you culture war losing dipshit? lol",
"> Then why not actually read a textbook?\n\nI have. And as even the dumbest of people might expect, all it really says is basically \"here are some bones we dug up that look like a dog creature... we're going to call it the ancestor of whales because....\".\n\nThe problem is that no one really knows if the fossil of the dog creature is really the ancestor of whales. It's just speculation. It's just a story. And if you had any common sense you would realize that even if something is written in a textbook, that doesn't make it a \"fact\". The only evidence they have is the fossils. And the fossils look like a dog, which is clearly very different from a whale. So them saying it evolved into something else over millions of years is just a story, it is not really evidence of anything the claim. Again, I am just using common sense and logic.\n\nYour definition of \"evidence\" seems to be that it is written in a textbook. I actually try to use my own brain and analyze what is being claimed instead of just absorbing it like a sponge because it is written in some supposed place of authority. That is how I can easily figure out that there are no real facts related to things that happened millions of years ago.\n\nJust try to use your own brain on this one. How can scientists know for sure that some bones that look like they belong to some sort of dog creature are REALLY the ancestors of whales? Here's a hint: If you think they can really know that with any sort of confidence, you are on the wrong path.",
"Vote for Democrats or it's the end of the world!!!!! This time we meant it!",
"> But telling businesses they need to take drastic measures immediately due to a panel of climatologists is nonsense.\n\nAgain, it's not just \"a panel of climatologists.\" It's virtually every scientist in the world. Almost every scientific organization. Even ExxonMobile agrees that man made climate change is real. Stop purposefully miss-characterizing the scientific consensus on climate change. ",
"My signature from a now mostly defunct website...\"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'\" Isaac Asimov ",
"And you need to spend some time with deeply religious people if think there a bastion of logic and critical thinking.",
">Isaac Asimov\n\nIsaac Asimov *aka* The Good Doctor",
"So a person has to have an extremely firm grasp on the subject or be an expert in the field before they can have an opinion on it? I don't know shit about the mating patterns, gestation periods, hunting behaviors and a slew of other things about Tigers but I know killing them for their fur is wrong. ",
"Well everyone has wrong opinions, doesn’t mean they can’t have right ones.",
"I agree, we should all 'EVIDENCE TRUMPS OPINION' whatever that means ",
"Sharp. Meant to phrase it that way",
"So how do you plan on killing yourself when he gets re-elected?\n\nEdit: You seem to be really infatuated with Trumps penis. ",
"+1",
"We breathe out CO2 so it couldn't possibly harm the planet. Man the stupidity in that argument is grade A quality. ",
"> No, I just hate when people do the \"define this widely accepted term in a way I arbitrarily agree with or not\" tactic.\n\nHe said his arguments are based in science. \n \nAnd no, it's not accepted that liberals are \"left-leaning\" at all. Liberal fiscal policies are seen as right-wing outside US. Most Americans use \"liberal\" as a buzzword to mean anybody who isn't \"alt-right\" and support Trump. \n \nEven Mueller is now a \"liberal\" according to \"Alt-right\" Americans apparently. \n \nThere is nothing \"scientific\" about any of the shit you people spew. \n \n> More like human nature and normal distribution.The whole \"flip a coin a hundred times\" thing.\n \nYes, the whole world can be split into heads and tails just like a coin. \n \nHow scientific. \n \n> I am not even close to a centrist.\n \nI know, you are an alt-reicher. \n \n> West Europe.\n \nRiiiiight...... \n",
"There is no rebuttal to too-stupid-to-fix.",
"> the US with our superior healthcare\n\nWow, Brazil must have it SUPER bad then...",
"You're a dumb motherfucker, I'll tell you that much. ",
"Why do you jest?",
"Why is it so hard to address someone how they want to be addressed? It's not even a big deal.\n\nIt's not \"playing along\" or \"pretending\", it's just common courtesy and respect.",
"She should talk to some scientists, even they would be like \"we don't know how half of this works, so we started throwing things at each other real fast to see what happens\".",
"Your own words condemn you. \n\nExcept you repent and believe there'll be no mercy at that day for you or ever after, but wrath and torments and sufferings day and night without ceasing, having no rest forever; in a perfect service of justice for the wickedness of your rebellion agaisnt a perfect, infinite and holy God.\n\nThey that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.",
"That's a good point. But consider all I know about Shapiro paints him as a moron, I see no point in researching the rest of his opinions. What would be the goal? Either we agree and that's good or we don't and it's just further evidence he is dumb. ",
">I have. And as even the dumbest of people might expect, all it really says is basically \"here are some bones we dug up that look like a dog creature... we're going to call it the ancestor of whales because....\".\n\nAt this point you are just lying. First of all, most textbooks do not talk much about fossils at all. Second of all, that is not what they say. Please, do tell me what this magical textbook you have read. Be specific.\n\n>And if you had any common sense you would realize that even if something is written in a textbook, that doesn't make it a \"fact\".\n\n...no shit. The evidence they present FOR their claims is what makes it a fact.\n\n>The only evidence they have is the fossils. \n\nWow. Great. You just admitted you are lying. Absolutely no evolution textbook anywhere on the planet presents just fossils as evidence of common descent, not in general, not in any specific case. Why are you lying? Do not talk about anything else. You have two choices now: Admit you never opened an evolution textbook, or show me this amazing magical textbook that only presents fossils as the evidence for common descent. \n\n",
"Yeah! Let's avoid people with mental issues! That surely can't go wrong, can it?",
" But you can't explain it?",
"Are you defending the US healthcare system? 'Cause if so, you might wanna check out what other first world countries are doing.",
"If this is true we need to fight Jesus and God and take them down.\n\nI am being serious.",
"Dude, real talk. Pick up Thus Spoke Zarathustra translated by Walter Kaufmann. It's SO fucking good.",
"For instance I would imagine this same woman who doubtlessly believes in the importance of facts and reason believes that 57% of total US spending goes to the military, when the reality is that only 16% of total US spending goes to the military.\n\nWould she be capable of hearing that and then accepting it? I tried with some family members and showed them the data as well as explaining discretionary vs mandatory spending and they literally just foamed at the mouth and thought I was being brainwashed for actually listening to conservatives.",
"> No, that is not what I said. No EXTANT group can evolve into another extant group. A wolf wont evolve into a duck. But they do have a common ancestor, just like everything else does.\n\nAhh, I see why you are confused now. You are caught up in the rhetoric I was using instead of the point itself. You were caught up in the fact that I called the creature a \"dog\" instead of the deeper point which is that a doglike creature cannot evolve into a whale.\n\nFirst of all I disagree with your statement that no extant organism can evolve into any other, given the nature of evolutionary theory. Given enough time and enough transitional forms, anything can evolve into anything else. If a doglike creature can evolve into a whale, then a wolf can evolve into a duck. I'm not saying it's likely, but I would say according to evolutionary theory and its random nature, it's theoretically possible.\n\nBut that is not the real point and there is no reason to argue it. My real point was that a type of creature that looks like a dog or wolf or rat or something like that cannot evolve into a whale. Or even more generally, one kind of organism cannot evolve into any other, especially in the relatively short timelines given in the case of pakicetus evolving into whales. In short, I reject common descent.\n\n> Seriously? Is this a claim you will try to defend now? It is obvious what your level of education on the subject is from every sentence that you write about evolution.\n\nActually, in the United States where I live all high school students are taught evolutionary theory when they take Biology, which is a year-long course. Evolutionary theory takes up a big part of the curriculum, and it is basically taught as a fact and the various evidences commonly used are taught as well. Not that you would believe me, but I did get a perfect score on my state's biology SOL test. And I have read many books on the subject, from both sides of the debate. Personally, I find there is much more evidence against evolution/common descent than there is for it.",
"Guns kill people? Hmm. You seem to not use logic at all. Thanks. ",
"> Are you done rallying against equality? Does it get tiring diddling all those kids you rape?\n\nWoah, from garden variety shitposter to full on rotbrained Donaldposter in 2 post, i applaud your composure, sense of calmness and that you kept it inside yourself for so long.\n\nStill, it's a better score than most T_D posters would get running outside their asylum. You should get a double tendies for that achievement.",
"You said a lot here. \n\nFirst, it's an entirely different definition. Your definition says that faith is belief without evidence, whereas Christian faith in particular is belief based on all the evidence God has given, including faith itself.\n\nEvery other major religion would likely give the same definition, so it is important not to attach a secular definition of faith to any belief system when that belief system doesn't adhere to the secular definition. In other words, it's possible to criticize religion without ignoring what words mean. \nFor example, It doesn't help to say \"Christian faith is belief without evidence\" when the Bible says the complete opposite, very clearly.\n\nIt's fine if any philosopher considers someone's leap of faith to not be based on evidence as long as they remember that their consideration is a philosophical position and not a statement of fact. Moreover, it's a lazy position to take because it likely rises from a refusal to actually investigate someone's claim that God has given them some sort of evidence.\n",
"Right, because supply-side economics has worked so well. The notion that the political right understands economics better than the political left is bunk. Look at what happened after the policies of the 1890s to 1920’s: The Great Depression. Look at what happened after the policies in the 1950’s: stagflation and economic malaise. After Reagan’s tax cuts: he turned right back around at the behest of his economic advisors yet we still had the slow growth of the 90s. Bush era tax cuts and the policies in the Fed under Greenspan that led to the housing bubble bursting. Look at Kansas right now. So please, tell me how the right just understands economics better than everyone else.",
"Well, it holds true for pretty much everything. Using your example of Scientology, if my argument against it is that I've heard bad things about it or my friends don't like it or some such, that's not a valid argument against it. If, however, I can point to decades of psychological and neurological research refuting its basic tenets and the organization's track record of abuse, intimidation and harassment, then it's a valid argument. \n\nYou have to understand something to destroy it.",
"Yeh bro it's time to bring back those environment destroying coal jobs because unemployable red state dropouts are too fucking lazy to retrain into a job that actually still exists.\n\n[Also republicans can't even run shit at the state level without mooching from productive blue states. You're the 35 year old losers living in moms basement of America.](https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/)\n\n\n\n",
"Having an opinion on an issue isn't being \"obsessed,\" no matter how many times you use that line. Additionally, it is horrible when a government penalizes a person for not playing along with the delusion of another person. What other medical dysphoria is it even socially acceptable to feed into a delusion, let alone required by law? Finally, when I could be [fined up to $250,000](http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/civil-rights/301661-this-canadian-prof-defied-sjw-on-gender-pronouns-and-has-a) for refusing to refer to someone as a \"dog-kin,\" it starts to affect me. ",
"Hey man. I get it. You like jacking it to kiddie porn. I'm not gonna get in your way.",
"Doesn't that go both ways? Or do you only need to prove the things that you don't like? \n\nI mean, are you going to make that statement and then ignore that \"we do understand scientology\" is equally unproven?",
"I see that you are comparing the life of a human to the life of grass. Nice. Also, you are not killing grass when you mow it. ",
"\"Boy\" how DARE you assume my gender! #Triggered",
">Yet gender is identity, and continually changes.\n\nNo, it doesn't. \n",
"“Your inability to grasp science (and concept of biology) is not an argument against it”\nAre you an evolution denier too?\nWhat’s next a flat earth because you “feel it is”",
"There are different fields of study. There is one scientific method. Some fields of study lend themselves to the method more easily than others, and so lend a greater degree of certainty to the research in that field. ",
"Exactly! Just like anyone can say, \"I do so!\"",
"So there is no direct evidence it's man made? Is it actually an argument from ignorance? As in, we don't know what's causing the acceleration, so we assume it's humanity?",
"You should change that to \"I reject TRUE reality and substitute my own\" because what's the difference in your and their realities?",
"I mean goal of knowledge is Nature and how it works as the source of everything around us. Inability to grasp Nature in its entirety leads to simplifications, people start to explain things as God's will. In the end some people believe in God as the final explanation of existence. Difference between science and belief is an approach. The goal is the same: unlock all achievements one way or another.",
"True, to us it is...to someone of faith it is an absolute truth.",
"Precisely. ",
"I definitely lol'd @ \"Millions of years of evolutionary conditioning that is also evidenced in countless species across the Earth\" 👌",
"Your /s is so subtle... it's great ",
">redefine\n\nLike trying to redefine gender as a synonym for sex?\n\nUnless you think gendered language is also rooted in biology?",
"Being right doesn't make you not stupid. ",
"First of all, in the case of whales, yes, the only evidence they have that pakicetus (the doglike creature) is related to whales is the fossils themselves. There is nothing else. If you have seen anything more, please tell me what it is. Seriously, because other than fossils there is no direct evidence for anything that happened/existed millions of years ago, so what other evidence could they have? Is there some time-travelling video footage that you have seen of the transition?\n\nAnd I wasn't talking about *every* point of evidence they use to argue common descent in general, although I must admit that even more generally there is no real evidence they present which I find compelling or convincing.\n\nIf you look at my original post it was just about the case of the \"dog\" evolving in to whales. In THAT CASE, yes, I am correct in saying that the only evidence they have is the fossils themselves. \n\nAnd actually you are wrong in saying that fossils are not most of what they present as evidence of common descent. Again, just using logic, this is because basically everything of what they know about extinct/ancient life forms comes from fossils. So that is really all they have. How else would they be able to argue we evolved from creatures that lived millions of years ago except from comparing fossils? I'm really curious to hear your insight.",
"No, making an assertion needs proving. That's how the burden of proof works. Easy example: you can't ask people atheists to prove God don't exist. Religious people are the one making a claim: God exist. They have the burden to prove that he exists.\n\nHere, if a Scientology member wants to prove I don't understand Scientology, that's a claim he is making. He has to offer proof toward that thesis.",
"Your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it.\n\nKeep grasping at straws.",
">the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).\n\nCurious how you missed that part off 🤔 \n\nEdit: [Here's](https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gender+definition&oq=gender+de&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j35i39j0l2.6495j1j9&client=ms-android-h3g-gb&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8) the definition they disingenuously edited.",
"The same goes for religion and faith then",
">thinking people were pondering \"sex vs gender\" when language was developing. \n\nPlease. It's the same shit and your intro to sociology class isn't enough to make you an expert. \n\nAll of these left-winged institutions redefining words to suit their political views doesn't change a thing. ",
"Yes, all hail the climate change gods.",
"Thank you, you have a good point. We all have better things to do than argue with a joke account. (or not, either way it's not worth.)",
"Yes it does,it goes both ways",
"Why are you in a university program studying two topics that you consider to be useless?",
">, yes, the only evidence they have that pakicetus (the doglike creature) is related to whales is the fossils themselves. \n\nStop lying. Name the textbook.\n\n>If you have seen anything more, please tell me what it is. \n\nThat is a nice attempt to reverse the situation. That is not how this will go. You have claimed to have read textbooks. You have lied about textbooks. Either name the textbook you found this information in, or admit you lied.\n\n>Seriously, because other than fossils there is no direct evidence for anything that happened/existed millions of years ago, so what other evidence could they have?\n\nMy God. You are just showing you never touched a textbook more and more. Every evolution textbook goes into detail when discussing common descent, both in general, and on specific examples. No, fossils are not all they offer. Again, name this ridiculous textbook you have \"read\", or admit you lied.\n\n>And I wasn't talking about every point of evidence they use to argue common descent in general, although I must admit that even more generally there is no real evidence they present which I find compelling or convincing.\n\nGuess what: general evidence of common descent is also evidence that whales were a part of that. \n\n>If you look at my original post it was just about the case of the \"dog\" evolving in to whales. In THAT CASE, yes, I am correct in saying that the only evidence they have is the fossils themselves. \n\nStop burying yourself. \n\nIf your next response is not either a name of the textbook/textbooks, or admittance that you are lying I am blocking you.",
"Stop trolling and read some research on this. It only takes a minute to understand why global warming (as a part of global climate change) would be disastrous. ",
"\"Helpful\"? What, because you have to factorize even numbers into multiples of the gender constant?",
"The picture said nothing about gender. You are deranged. You do know that if you declare it a disabilty you will have to build special ramps for them and everything, yeah? \n \n> I could be fined up to $250,000 for refusing to refer to someone as a \"dog-kin,\" \n \nSure you could, you loon.... ",
"You forgot to add \"when did you stop beating your wife?\" there. ",
"Perhaps I could re-train to work at the salt mine that exists in your brain.",
"There already has been climate change. Please go read the research.",
"Indeed its not..your point?",
"What is even your point here? If sex and gender are synonymous (which they're not) and sex means \"being biologically male or female\", then sexless things such as words should not be able to have a gender. But they do.",
"I feel like you just ignored the evidence section all together. Stop trolling. ",
"Some, yes, most, no.",
"Your inability to grasp capitalism and free markets is not an argument against it.",
"I agree with everything you said - I guess I worded it awfully.\n\nI was more getting at the fact that science isn't an infallible concept. It's based on objective facts, but science wouldn't work as a religion, because of that last quote I included. I know that scientists don't say that - it was a jab at the gullible people who believe memetic \"science\" like that.\n\nCherry picking and pseudoscience are exactly why science as a religion won't work. It's the same with religions. Different religious sects saying \"that's not real Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc,\" will just be replaced by \"that's not real science, that's pseudoscience.\" Heck, those three religions have the same origin, yet they split off because they believed each other to be wrong. I almost guarantee it's impossible to find a religion that doesn't cherrypick their practices and beliefs.\n\nThough when considering the true definition of science, you are 100% correct in everything you say. If the religion is based on true objective science, it wouldn't be a bad thing, but considering many individuals pick and choose scientific facts based on their political affiliation, it just doesn't seem possible.",
">Decision making often occurs in the face of uncertainty about whether one's choices will lead to benefit or harm. The somatic-marker hypothesis is a neurobiological theory of how decisions are made in the face of uncertain outcome. This theory holds that such decisions are aided by emotions, in the form of bodily states, that are elicited during the deliberation of future consequences and that mark different options for behavior as being advantageous or disadvantageous. This process involves an interplay between neural systems that elicit emotional/bodily states and neural systems that map these emotional/bodily states.\n\nhttp://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-8721.2006.00448.x\n\nWow! Your idea is basically a theory of a theory. High levels of abstraction there, huh? Might be hard to accept until it has been truly proven.\n\nI'm going with a maybe, but leaning into improbability.",
"why? you need to explain this. ",
"Not grasping Game of Thrones doesn't have real world consequences like denying the roles of humans with climate change.",
"You need to learn the difference between gender and sex. Sex is biological and there are three sexes (male, female, and intersex) while gender is social norms. Gender dysphoria is when someone experiences significant anxiety because they do not feel that their gender matches their biological sex. This isn't something that is new, just the suggested treatment is new. In the past, the treatment was to go through therapy to try and \"convince\" them that they need to conform to the social norms associated with their biological sex. This didn't go well and was often unsuccessful with an extremely high suicide rate within this specific group of people.\n\nThese people don't choose to go through this experience. Who the hell would choose something like that? Letting people feel comfortable in their own skin because of their gender dysphoria is called compassion, not being against science.",
"Oh! I forgot believing you're an attack helicopter is fine now. :D",
"Hate America?",
"Ok there are other places to find the claims of scientists than in textbooks. The textbooks are basically going to say the same thing that can be found online. Here is [Cal-Berkeley's presentation](https://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evograms_03) of the evidence. Is that \"authoritative\" enough for you?\n\nUnless I am mistaken, they only mention the fossils as their evidence. Do you see anything else? But again, what else could they use?",
"It's an Apache Helicopter you ignorant person. Stop mis-gendering people/things.",
"Hold on, climate science isn't an entity unto itself. It is a field comprised of chemistry, geology, astrophysics, etc. I don't see how you can just categorize it between \"hard\" and \"soft\" fields of study.",
"We can measure the amount of carbon dioxide increase. We can measure the amount of Carbon-12 isotope (C-12 is more common in CO2 released from fossil fuels) increasing in the atmosphere. We can make good measurements of the amount of CO2 we release into the atmosphere. We can find no other output of CO2 to explain such an increase.\n\nAll of our metrics point to man made sources almost exclusively.\n\nIt's a deduction, not an assumption. In the same way we deduced that black holes exist.\n",
"Gender is a social construct, this has been proven in the social sciences without doubt, and acknowledged by most reputable [science organizations](http://www.who.int/gender-equity-rights/understanding/gender-definition/en/). So you don't really need le hard sciences to study gender, or its repercutions.",
"but it's not an **objective** truth. You can't prove it, which is why it's called 'faith'. Your god is no more provable than the thousands of other gods that have been worshiped throughout human history. The theory of gravity doesn't change based on your geographical location while religion does.",
"I’m not. I’m saying the solution isn’t “DESTROY BUISNESS!”\n\n",
"Everyone uses science to their personal basis. If science was use purely, liberal arguments would also be void.",
">Wow! Your idea is basically a theory of a theory. High levels of abstraction there, huh? Might be hard to accept until it has been truly proven.\n\nI'm a mathematician/physicist from a psychologist family, so abstraction is my entire shtick. \n\n\"My idea\" about this isn't any higher level of abstraction at all. It's both an observable effect among psychologists (which means it fits the data but could be conflated with other explanations that would produce the same observables. Note that this applies to pretty much *everything* in neuroscience.) and a priori necessary under the assumption that choice of logic system is not universal.",
"What's the difference between a gussied up man (Bruce)who goes into the female locker and changes who's dong plops out than a man who goes into the female locker room and changes and his dong plops out?\n ",
"> He said his arguments are based in science.\n\n\n\n\n\n\nWhat the hell are you even talking about...\nI literally only responded to your comment to let you know that \"define this, gotcha!\" shit is annoying. I don't care about this little discussion you two retards are having. I agree his comment was bullshit if it helps you feel better.\n\n\n>And no, it's not accepted that liberals are \"left-leaning\" at all. Liberal fiscal policies are seen as right-wing outside US. Most Americans use \"liberal\" as a buzzword to mean anybody who isn't \"alt-right\" and support Trump.\n\n>Even Mueller is now a \"liberal\" according to \"Alt-right\" Americans apparently.\n\n\nI agree with all of this, I'll add on that the whole left/right dichotomy is largely arbitrary.(meaning it doesn't accurately describe a sizable portion of political views, we need a 4 axis system or something. We need to go 4D...)\n\n\n\n\n>Yes, the whole world can be split into heads and tails just like a coin.\n\n>How scientific.\n\nYou failed to understand what I wrote. I honestly don't even feel like explaining it if you can't even extrapolate from examples.\n\nI actually thought you were gonna get this one, or at least misunderstood a finer point of it. You literally got hung op on the coin thing :s\n\nThing is I wasn't even going to mention the coin thing, that was only added later to make the idea more intuitive for you. The fact that you misunderstand even the thought experiment makes we wonder \"why bother?\".\n\n\n>Riiiiight......\n\nWait...what? Not sure if you believe me or not, West-Europe isn't an exotic place and it definitely doesn't help my arguments does it?\n\nI also can't prove I am(west-european), except i'm sure I must have mentioned it before on other posts perhaps?",
"You did not name the textbook, nor did you admit you were lying. As such you are now blocked. ",
"What I tell people who think it's okay to murder an unborn fetus",
"> Not in this situation.\n\nWell, I suppose you don't have to. But then you're making a \"just so\" argument which is rather sad, because I think science actually *can* win the debate. But I guess we can just shout at each other and feel smug about it.\n\n> That would be fine if they understood the science they are arguing against.\n\nWho are \"they\"? This is more \"just so\" argumentation dressed up to look spiffy.\n\n> Criticism is central to every scientific discipline.\n\nIf you mean \"criticism\" to mean \"question everything\", then yes. That is practically the definition of science, so it makes sense that it would be part of every scientific discipline.\n\n> This sign is merely saying you can't criticise something if you don't understand it, and it's a perfectly reasonable and concise point. \n\nNo you're right. It's merely vapid, if taken like that. But let's not divorce ourselves from reality. The rather obvious implication that the sign makes is: my opponents are dumb, therefore whatever I'm marching for is right. It's silly, it's a little dirty, and it's dangerous.",
"I didnt mean to sound like a flat earther, i just think those 2 shouldnt be contradictory",
"Biology not included",
"Ok, but by that logic anytime you tell someone they don't understand science you would have to \"offer proof toward that thesis\"",
"*If* it has no practical effect, sure. If it has significant negative effects, one goes into treatment. If it is less intrusive or damaging to resolve the issue by a simple change of pronouns in social situations, then that is a more helpful treatment than invasive surgery or medication with nasty side effects. Otherwise, it's not treated that way.",
"> that there are 60 genders. \n\nWait, who actually argues that there are that many, as opposed to arguing that the concept of gender (which is different than the biological concept of sex, BTW) might be more complicated than previously believed? ",
"> You do know that if you declare it a disabilty you will have to build special ramps for them and everything\n\nWhere does anything say that, does a disability such as autism need ramps too? \n\n>The picture said nothing about gender\n\nUnsurprising that a delusioned idiot like you wouldn't relate science with the other 'genders', seeing as basic biological accuracy is now substituted with peoples feelings.\n\n\n\n",
"science is for the gender spectrum....",
"Holy fuck.. Reading a lot of these comment have made me hope beyond hope that Reddit is just its own microcosm and not a reflection of your whole failing country. When this place started there was intelligence but this has degraded into.. well read the comments. \n\nA. Religion is belief and really shouldn't be considered opposite of science unless it is being used to control.\n\n b. economics is pointless if we get a super bug that we cant cure because it wasnt financially viable to do research. there has to balance between the two.\n\nc, smart people need to start voicing their opinions here but really, why am i even writing this as i am about to get ignored or inundated with stupidity and either way it wont be good for my mental health. It's probably time to dump reddit..",
"... I was kidding, I agree with you. Or did I step on your joke just now? ",
"Wow. Very typical of people of your mindset. I would be embarrassed to act like that, even given the complete anonymity of the internet. I guess that's what happens when cowardly people like you get DESTROYED in an argument.\n\nThe textbook I am talking about is [this one](http://www.hmhco.com/shop/k12/Holt-McDougal-Biology/9780547586663).",
"some trans people have depression but you shouldn't stigmatize that mental illness",
"I agree surgery or medication is frankly creepy.",
"Sure I mean it in the way that it’s inherently chaotic and it’s a relatively new field of study so there is quite a lot we don’t fully understand about it. ",
"Chromosomes aren't.",
"Yes absolutely. ",
"Of course you would. You don't accuse someone of not understanding science without solid proof of that.",
"Yeah, because that's a real thing, science denier. ",
"Wow, there must be a lot of traffic on here. Someone actually beat me to the punch. Yeah...it sure sounds like you have some unidentified bias. And that's fine. That's why we have science; it serves as a tool to check our prejudices.\n\nIncidentally, I do believe that I can ask an atheist to prove God does not exist. It's just as much an assertion as asking any theist to prove that God exists. The atheist community has done a fine job trying to maneuver the discussion in this way. The true null position is to be agnostic. Atheists tend not to like that, because it shows that they have beliefs just like a theist does, and they *really* don't like be lumped in with a group they see as riffraff.\n\nI hope I'm not hurting anyone's feelings here. Being atheist is fine, and I can totally understand it. I just don't think they occupy any special position.",
"You know that makes no sense right? ",
"Alternative reality!",
"This isn't about trans people at all though. Why do SRS brigaders always assume that trans people and \"63 genders\" people are the same? ",
"My bad, I thought you were the other guy that I responded to",
"It is true that there are cases of scientific fraud. The point is that they get found out. Other scientist try to reproduce the results and cannot. Science self corrects in this way. You assert that scientists frequently skew results. I'm not so sure it's frequent. It has become more difficult to maintain independence when funding is not independent. Scientists have to eat. Ever since governments decided that scientific discovery was some teleological process that could be linked to anticipated industrial outcomes and funding has been contingent on subscribing to this fallacious belief the scientists and science risk being compromised. The truth is the really big scientific breakthroughs mainly came about by accident and the applications were rarely immediately obvious. Consider the transistor and the laser as examples of each. Sometimes the breakthrough is one of synthesis - assembling many disperate bits of knowledge and unifying them in a novel framework - relativity for example. The point is that breakthroughs and applications are very rarely predictable and to the extent they are it is simply in proportion to the amount of fundamental research bring conducted. Science does not progress at a constant rate and scientist are incredibly imaginative and creative not predictable plodders. The field has been damaged by the publish or perish mantra and all journals are not created equal. Nevertheless without question science has utterly transformed our society and it is not by prayer we gave walked on the moon, live in cities, drive cars, have smartphones and so on. It is not through faith or revalation that we have a good undetstanding of the origin and nature of the subatomic and of the universe. These have arisen through careful observation, measurement, hypothesis testing, publication and peer review. Other scientists try to duplicate the results and by these means the explanation offered stands, falls or is modified. Criticism, transparency and reproducibility remain at the heart of the method. Yes as a human construct with human practitioners it has faults. But is does eventually self correct. The frauds are exposed, the errors surface, the data fudgers revealed. No other paradigm has delivered so much. But for science we would be living in one of the many pre industrial revolution societies. None of them very pleasant unless one of the few rich and powerful. Even for them an ugly or violent death was a heartbeat away. A nasty infection, tetanus, small pox, polio, cholera all rampart and all now victims of the science that observed and understood them as a precursor to orchestrating their demise. \n\nIt is increasingly popular to trivialize and demean science. Media often gives equal time to two sides of a debate when one side doesn't have enough credibility to survive the scrutiny of a ten year old. Consider anti vaxers or climate change deniers for example. Or the evolution and intelligent design debate. By any scientific measure of truth you would not waste a second on one side of the debate but the time and exposure they get reflects the power and influence of the backers rather than inherent truth or merit. \n\nI understand that a societies ultimate decision will take into account the scientific truth, political, social and economic factors to name a few. But it pissed me off when decision makers try to pervert the scientific evidence so it appears to support the conclusion they want. To do so they are prepared to debase science despite its unparalleled record in delivering objective truth. Now some see science as simply a matter of opinion. \n\nOk off soapbox. I will see myself out.",
"> Where does anything say that, does a disability such as autism need ramps too? \n\nJoke. \n \n> Unsurprising that a delusioned idiot like you wouldn't relate science with the other 'genders', seeing as basic biological accuracy is now substituted with peoples feelings.\n \nWhat science? What are you talking about? Who are \"idiots like me\"? \n \nWhat is the strawman you are arguing against? \n \nAgain, you just sound hella mad. ",
"So how many genders? ",
"So if someone claims that the Earth is flat, and someone believes that the world is a sphere, each person has a 50/50 chance of being right?",
"I prefer bojangles biscuits.",
"I'm not saying it's difficult. I'm saying I am emphatically against using a $250,000 fine to force me to do it. If someone claims to be an \"other-kin,\" I'm not playing that game. \n\nIf you are claiming that me referring to another human as an \"other-kin\" does not fall under the definition of \"pretending,\" then we have an irreconcilable view on the issue and will have to politely agree to disagree. ",
"> What the hell are you even talking about... I literally only responded to your comment to let you know that \"define this, gotcha!\" shit is annoying.\n\nHe said most \"liberals\" are too emotional and not scientific, which in itself is like demented level of \"emotional and unscientific\" in itself. He doesn't even know what liberal means in his own mind. \n \nIf you are too stupid the realise the sheer idiocy, then you are beyond help. ",
"You managed to entirely miss the subject. A feat rather impressive in itself.",
"Thanks for this reply. I personally agree with the (masturbatory) message of the sign but it's not [the argument from ignorance](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance).",
"That's not what the post says though. It only states that your lack of something is not an argument against said something... \n\n",
"How did I miss the subject?",
"I wouldn't say chaotic. It's difficult. Even our best supercomputers can't really crunch weather and climate data fast enough. It's too complex. But what conclusions we are seeing from this field of study are generally accepted. I don't see a lot of volitility coming in the form of conclusions. ",
"You completely missed the entire point of post and are instead talking at him instead of with. You seem like an idiot.",
"But it's snowing in the desert, so it can't possibly be global warming!\n\n/s",
"My view is that there are too many unknown variables to make such solid conclusions. Science needs to be able to make repeatable and relatively accurate predictions about future events, this is where climatology doesn’t hold up very well. \n\nIt’s a bit like economics. ",
"So Much Cringe on both sides.",
"And it's not like one side has sole claim to scientific ignorance, between the \"anti-chemical\" and anti-nuclear lunatics.",
"Hehe nah it doesn't..",
">What science? What are you talking about? Who are \"idiots like me\"?\n\nAre you ironically this stupid or are you just that dumb, read it again with context. \n\nThe idiots like you are people who play along with these peoples imaginations, you're half the problem. I've said it multiple times now, need me to spell it out for you?\n\n>Says i'm hella mad\n\n>From the person who has been on rampant rage for the past few hours against anyone who has a differing opinion on anything.\n\nGet a grip my dude.\n\n",
"I never claimed there was a god, I don't believe in a \"god\" but I also don't believe there for sure isn't one. I'm just pointing out that there is no proof one way or another. ",
"\"Why are you putting butts on everything though?\"\n\n\"Ahhhh a bible-thumper huh?\"\n\n\"No... WHY are you doing this?\"",
"By thinking it is about religions. It was an easy example. And you failed to address any of the logic I laid out on you. \n\nJust because someone accepts the burden of proof does not mean the burden of proof can be attributed to anyone. This is actually the very concept of how sciences work and you have the balls to talk about a bias I would have and condescending into trying to explain science to me.\n\nThere is a giant meatball living in space that created everything in universe. I just had this revelation. Prove that this is wrong. Go.",
"Your inability to be nice to wrong people is not helping win them over",
"If you want to play that game, it didn't specify any specific issue. \n\nAnd I'm not a loon. I identify as a human male, not a whimsical northern bird. I'll be reporting you to the Mounties.",
"The scientific argument isn't with the philosophical nature or moral lessons of religion, it's with religion's assertion of supernatural explanations for natural processes. When religion claims literal truths like a 6000 year old Earth, or a global flood, or the appearance of humans with no evolutionary precursors is simply demonstrably wrong. Now that's not to say it's not perfectly fine to appreciate the moral message of Adam and Eve and Genesis, or Noah, or any religious narrative - as long as they are viewed as the metaphorical tools that they are. While the moral messages and cultural appreciation in no way conflict with scientific understanding of the world, a literal interpretation does.",
"Do me a favor. Put anything that could be used as a weapon on a table or floor in front of you. Now, offend it...call it names...push it around...make it angry...I bet eventually it will retaliate (it won't). \n\nPeople kill people. ",
"But that's the whole argument, the person in the picture is offering no proof, while claiming other people don't understand science",
"Like how there are 2 genders ",
"Our healthcare may be more expensive, but that's only because we have the best doctors and surgeons.",
"The answer is read the paper cited by the research and decide what you think. I favor peer review; certainly better than no review. Also the standards of the journal presenting the paper are important. Is the theory the best explanation? If so, it'll do as a working model. ",
"I do. And then I don't end up having the flu. Because you can't get the flu from the flu shot. ",
"unless u is an alt account to one of the ones im replying to then I dont see how you can know that. and there are no 63genders people, thats just a hyperbole used by people who dont like modern progression of science and research on sociology and biology that doesnt fit their world view",
"*Rick and Morty",
"chromosomes dont relate to gender, maybe sex but even then you have people born intersex",
"I disagree. While our early climate models were inaccurate, we have been refining them. There is a reason why there is general consensus on anthropogenic climate change now. We are even seeing the oil companies step back from their positions now. The evidence is there, and it's damning. \n\nI disagree that it's like economics as well. The reason econmonics will likely never be a \"hard science\" field of study is because at it's core, your trying to quantify human interactions. Interactions often driven by emotion and other externalities. You don't see this with climate change. ",
"So you won't use logic at all? Got it. People kill people. Guns do not. \n\nTell me, since you're so smart. Since you clearly understand how an inanimate object works... When does life begin? ",
">I'm just pointing out that there is no proof one way or another.\n\nI'm just pointing out there is no need to disprove god. There is no burden of proof for disbelief.",
"What is this in reference to? Remember, scientific results can be skewed as well in order to support an argument.",
"REEEEE",
"No reason to ask that. You've already admitted that you would never stop.",
"This sign is addressing people that go against the view of experts on a subject without knowledge of the subject. You don't need to understand climate change to accept it because it is the consensus view of the people (climate scientists) that do understand it and have spent years studying it. You do, however, need an extensive understanding of the subject if you're going to reject the consensus view and expect anyone to take you seriously. \n\n\"Endogenous retroviral insertions into DNA are strong evidence for common descent\" is not rebutted by \"I just can't see how my granddaddy came from a monkey\".",
"> By thinking it is about religions. It was an easy example.\n\nYou brought it up and I responded. And you think that making examples about religion is easy? The fact that I had to take a few sentences to respond to your rather \"just so\" assertion testifies to how difficult that particular example is, and does not mean I \"missed the point\".\n\n> And you failed to address any of the logic I laid out on you.\n\nI didn't need to repeat what /u/riem37 already said. However, I expanded on it. You've since admitted (again, to him) that the sign is a poor piece of argumentation, which is the whole point. \n\nThe whole point, already made by me quite early, is that whoever is making the assertion has to prove it...or as I put it: \"Doesn't that go both ways?\" A question which you did not answer until you answered /u/riem37. In that case you answered \"yes\", which is, as I've repeatedly said, the whole point.\n\n> There is a giant meatball living in space that created everything in universe. I just had this revelation. Prove that this is wrong. Go.\n\nAs you have point out, I don't have to prove it wrong. You made the assertion; you provide the proof. By the way, you have a very weird belief system.\n\nNow before you go \"aha!\", remember that I could say that say thing about you asserting \"there is no God, gods, or higher powers of any sort.\" I don't have to prove you wrong. You have to prove your statement. You can't (I assume, because noone has been able to yet), so there we are.\n\nThe only true scientific religious position is being agnostic. Everything else is based on beliefs outside the realm of science.",
"They don't relate?\n\nThere's not only a ton of correlation, but also a fuckton of causality there.\n\nYou may want to rephrase your assertion.",
"I agree, only 2 genders and sexes, science says so!",
"Your inability to grasp my inability to grasp your inability is not a valid argument against it!",
"Idiots. ",
"You could really swap it with any major belief or idea.\n\nIt’s basically the ideal comeback. ",
"Oh yes! Us Drumpf supporters just vehemently *hate* science! We worship guns and the KKK, remember m8.",
"> play along with these peoples imaginations\n\nWhat does that even mean? \n \n> need me to spell it out for you?\n \nYes? \n \nAre you saying that you shouldn't be charged with a hatecrime because you want to beat up gays or something? \n \n> Get a grip my dude.\n \nSays the guy making up imaginary quotes. ",
"SAME GOES FOR ECONOMICS",
"Is a soccer mom holding a vacuous sign really r/pics material?",
"that's funny, because science also tells you being fat will kill you, yet look at the person with the sign.",
"Oh, I thought it was because your government cares more about overthrowing foreign regimes than it does about its citizens' health and general well-being.",
"You assumed my gender! How dare you! I can't even listen to you anymore! You're such a bigot! ",
"Who are they arguing against seems like a pretty pointless post without targeting anyone",
"Yes I AM comparing life to grass, in that im saying all is life and if you talk about the beginning of life, that's abiogenesis. And I'm also pointing out that blase little sayings like 'life begins at conception' are so simplistic as to be nonsense.",
"But biology doesn't determine gender. ",
"But nobody is saying that's the solution. So there's really no need to make this point.",
"Ok you’re right about it economics being non scientific due to the human component. When it comes to AGW, personally I think we do contribute to CC, however much of the scientific methodology for arriving at such a conclusion is still based on modelling. Yes, we may have improved it and refined it, but due to the fundamentally chaotic nature of climate, I don’t believe we will be able to improve upon the methodology past a certain point. It isn’t like astrophysics where we just needed to wait until someone invented a better telescope, you know? It doesn’t matter how powerful our supercomputers are. \n\nI remain skeptic about the AGW debate because yeah, while it’s not that difficult to get a consensus that humans are contributing to it, there isn’t and can not be an accurate degree to how much CC is human-caused. It could be 5%, 25%, 75%, because there are too many variables known and unknown. The inherent vagueness leads to people with their own interests boosting that percentage. It has become tied in with the political environmental movement. ",
"Cool anti-global warming sign.",
"Then when does human life begin? When does it become murder to kill a baby? When thoughts and feelings begin? When they can contribute to society? When? I need your scientific knowledge... ",
"chromosomes are something biological, gender is something social; an invention indicating where one lies between the extremities of femininity and masculinity as they are defined by different cultures",
"Because they can. A woman can be biologically male, and a man female.",
"And I proved you wrong with Liberia / Ethiopia. Next?",
"Yeah to LGBT people \n\nI don’t hate you\nI strongly disagree with your views \nI don’t have to agree with them\n\nBelieve what you want to believe because I am not going to be forced into pretending whatever false reality you set up is ok\n\n",
"Yes, compelling evidence (or lack thereof) sure as hell is.",
"You could say the same thing about a psychologist. They're just talking, right? They're just helping the other person out!\n\nThe moment there is a profit involved (and it's difficult to deny there isn't one unless you're really deluded) then it's a service provided.",
"How could me using the safety responsibly save people if guns kill people and not people? ",
"NEWS FLASH: sex and gender are different. ",
"We can measure black holes explicitly. This is an implicit deduction.",
"Also, I'm still waiting on when life begins...I need your scientific knowledge as mine is clearly flawed. I obviously don't understand how inanimate objects work.",
"I've never heard this before. I love it. ",
"Which gun law would you propose that would've stopped that animal from killing children at Sandy Hook? ",
"The flipside only makes the issue worse as well: just because someone is ignorant of something is not justification to turn your nose up and look down on them or treat them as lesser people.",
"Can you? What if we're all just color blind?\n\nThere's plenty of solid proof that God (or at least, the god most people tend to believe in) is completely fictional. Or at least, there's plenty of reasoning that goes into coming to that conclusion, much of which comes from reading and comprehending religious texts (hence why many atheists were once Christians or Muslims or whatever who read their respective scriptures).",
"If true go take a high level math test to CLEP a college class with your God answers.\n\nI will even invest in your effort by paying for said CLEP + $10,000\n\nHowever. If God fails to give you all the answers and you get anything less than 100%. You will ow me $100,000.",
"You're saying that biology doesn't determine social inclination and behavior?\n\nNumerous fMRI and hormonal evidence suggests otherwise.\n\nYou're treating generalized labels as something mythical. We don't call tigers 'lions' because they can mate. Just as we don't call men 'women' who mutilate themselves and shoot up with hormone cocktails.",
"Your description of the process shows a lack of understanding which makes your argument look bad",
"I thought people who claim that there are more than two genders don’t believe it’s based on biology at all. They reserve the term “sex” to express that. I.e. there are 2 sexes, but your gender is part of your personality.",
"WHO is the UN's mouthpiece for politics. You aren't actually informed. \n\nAs well, its not. I dare you to find a single, actual, degree holding geneticist or doctor that would not absolutely state that gender is an evolved psychological extension of biological sex, that serves the purpose of specialization that sexual dimorphism as a whole does.\n\nIn other news, idiots like yourself claiming things that any person with a degree worth the paper its printed on laughs in the face of. That would be why Trump won, and why the dems, despite having cheering squads like these idiots in the WHO, lost control of both houses, the executive, and lost a liberal majority on the supreme court.\n\nYou cannot be right against hard realities. No matter how much you convince yourself you can be, or are. ",
"A common house fly is more alive than a zygote is at conception. A fly has motor skills and can operate on its own, while a zygote is literally a human egg with another human's DNA in it. \n\nAnd even if \"life\" begins at conception, *human* life doesn't begin for quite a while. I would argue human life begins when a brain and nervous system develop in the embryo. ",
"Everyones inability to grasp God is a valid argument against Him!",
"I'm still waiting. How will a safety help keep an inanimate object from harming people? I need your logic...",
"*sexes",
"I'm pretty sure that the entire standard model of physics is still under investigation.\n\nEspecially since the standard model doesn't account for gravity and the recent discoveries of gravity waves. ",
"Answer the question. Use your logic. When does life begin? ",
"*sexes",
"your phrasing is very telling of your bias rather than factual consideration of the topic, your points are heavily corrupted by showing your hatred of these people ",
"> Well, I suppose you don't have to. But then you're making a \"just so\" argument which is rather sad, because I think science actually can win the debate. But I guess we can just shout at each other and feel smug about it.\n\nIt's not an argument or a hypothesis. It doesn't meet a single criterion for being labelled \"just so\" in any sense. I could likewise pretend your comment is a thesis and equally write it off as entirely fallacious garbage, but that would be dumb because that isn't the context or purpose of your comment. Same goes for this sign.\n\n> Who are \"they\"? This is more \"just so\" argumentation dressed up to look spiffy.\n\nLiterally the people who argue against science, as per your own words.\n\nYou can criticise science from a position of knowledge, which is something this sign actually implies if we use the basic logic that the opposite of a falsehood (from the sign maker's perspective) is a truth. I.e. an inability to grasp science isn't a valid argument against it, so an ability to grasp science could provide one with a valid argument against it. But, the sign isn't addressing people who have valid arguments. No one with a valid argument against any sort of science has any reason to take offense at this sign.\n\n> The rather obvious implication that the sign makes is: my opponents are dumb, therefore whatever I'm marching for is right. It's silly, it's a little dirty, and it's dangerous.\n\nHow does it imply that?\n\nI think the interpretation of the sign that would be most generous to your cynicism and supposed us vs them scenario is that it says \"your stupidity disqualifies you from discussing the subject\". And that may be true. Supposing the issue is climate change, are we talking about people who believe global warming is a Chinese hoax debunked by snowfall? If we are, these people *are* stupid and have nothing to contribute to a discussion on global warming. Why would you try to reason with them? If they were reasonable, they would have taken 5 minutes to google climate science and found in a passing glance at basically any article that their existing belief about global warming is sheer nonsense.\n\nAnd if a person has a reasonable or informed criticism of global warming -- well, they're not being addressed by the sign, are they?",
"Willful ignorance is in fact stupidity. ",
"Gender and sex are different things.",
"So is it murder to end that human life when a brain and nervous system develop in the embryo? Or is it still just a clump of cells? ",
"Oh it can be questioned. You just need a *lot* of evidence to combat the already mountains of proof backing up the findings of this \"settled science.\"\n\nAnd it is not a dogma. One, because no one is *forcing* anyone to believe it, and two, because it is factually accurate according to all the data we've collected over the course of hundreds, even thousands of years.",
"It's because you can't. Bye bye. ",
"The difference is that one feels like a woman, acts like a woman, and sees themselves as a woman, and the other one might see themselves as a man, might act like a man, and might feel like a man.\n\nI don't understand what you're trying to say?\n\nA man can be a woman because that's gender. A male cannot become a female how ever because that's called sex.\n\nI was asking for sources that a man can't be a woman.",
"only 2 genders ",
"It's murder to kill a human life. So... ask questions, be curious, ask a doctor... find out when human life begins. Anything after that exact moment, is murder. You do care about the lives of children right? ",
"> There's plenty of solid proof that God (or at least, the god most people tend to believe in) is completely fictional.\n\n\nI would like you to explain how you can scientifically prove this, what type of experiment can I use to disprove the existence of God and why isn't this in the news?\n\n\n>Or at least, there's plenty of reasoning that goes into coming to that conclusion,\n\n\nOh so there isn't scientific evidence, there was plenty of reasoning that wen't into the world being flat thousands of years ago but we all know that isn't true.\n\n\n>much of which comes from reading and comprehending religious texts (hence why many atheists were once Christians or Muslims or whatever who read their respective scriptures).\n\n\nThat proves nothing. Have you personally read all of those religious texts? I was an atheist that now believes there is something after death but I don't believe in a \"god\" as a person. There is absolutely no scientific evidence that there is a god and there is absolutely no scientific evidence that there isn't. Each side uses belief and their own reasoning as to why there is or isn't a god.",
"Argument from Ignorance ",
"Argument from Ignorance ",
"Sorry about your unoriginal comment",
"But that's what the front of the sign says too. I'm just not sure which opinions people are complaining about *today*. :-)",
"I did. Guns CANNOT kill people. An inanimate object CANNOT act on its own. When I stop using my guns, they are inanimate. A safety would not make them any safer. I literally told you to try it yourself. You won't. ",
"> There is no burden of proof for disbelief.\n\nThere is when you are trying to tell someone there isn't a god.",
"\"That's all you got\" I'm using your own arguments...against you... ",
"Welcome to my world. ",
"Thank you! I knew that argument reeked of something",
"Children don't get transition surgery",
"so i can dismiss math?",
"Exactly. But it seems like that reverse scenario really is a rarity, and most of the time it’s usually the ignorant one who is assuming they are being looked down on by others. \n\nAnd example being Fox News beating the “elites are bad” drum for Obama’s two terms, convincing millions of viewers that the president looks down on them when he actually didn’t. \n\nThere were plenty of legitimate things to complain about our former president, but he was always willing to explain things, hear out the other side and generally welcomed discussion. \n\nIt’s not his fault people took that as *”fuck you, elitist, for looking down on us regular folk!”*, they simply wanted a reason to feel like a victim and took it to the extreme. \n\nI really don’t think anyone is judging these people as harshly as they think they are. Aside from some awful trolls who would make fun of anyone and everyone, most people just are trying to discuss and have a dialogue, IMHO. \n\nAgain, it comes down to ego and it’s not a “left vs right” thing because ignorance crosses all party lines. ",
"Top mind. \n \nWhy are you so afraid of other people's sexual characteristics? How does it concern you? ",
"I'll fill in the gaps for you.\n\n\"Oh we can grasp it. We just think it's BS.\" ... like science",
"Yeah, I suppose food/agriculture, education, and environment would include a tom of scientific funding as well. ",
"You put the snowflake in a precarious situation. \n\n*MINORITY DETECTED, ACCUSE OF BEING AMERICAN AND PRIVILEGED*\n\n...*GEARS SPINNING*...\n\n\n*THAT FAILED. RETREAT.*",
"The problem with a lot of it is the blind devotion to what scientists say. For example, when a scientist ran a contaminated sample of tardigrade DNA, the results showed that 60% of the DNA wasn't what was on file as tardigrade DNA. Instead of asking \"wait, what?\" he published his results and it took a full year before anyone checked his results.\n\n[But by then the damage was done.](http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/mega-gene-theft-may-explain-why-water-bears-are-so-hardy-0/)",
"No you didn't, idiot.\n\nLiberia was a colonial enterprise modeled on European colonization and administered entirely by white Americans until it was handed over to African Americans who continued to behave like European colonizers, subjugating indigenous blacks until 1980. That country is a shit hole for the same reasons every other country in Africa is.\n\nEthiopia on the other hand, is one country out of an entire continent. It is not immune to spillover from problems in neighboring nations, and due to its involvement in WWII, it fared no better (probably worse because Italy was on the losing side) than other African nations in the aftermath. European nations colonized Africa throughout the 1800s, destroyed and looted each other's colonies during the world wars, and then left while supplying money and weapons to dictators who kept order through pure force.",
"Yes, at that point I say abortion should not be allowed unless the mother is in serious danger and/or the baby will die before, during, or immediately following birth. However, before that point, that's the mother's chance to decide if she can go through with the pregnancy. There are a lot of factors to consider in making that decision. \n\nAnd I'm not saying women should be allowed to walk into a clinic all willy-nilly like \"Oopsie! Got creamed last week again! Time for my fifty-second abortion! Haha!\" Because no. That's fucked up. Abortion is not birth control. But it is an option that women should have, should they seriously need it. \n\nIf we criminalize abortions, it'll just make more illegal, dangerous abortions happen. Women with unwanted pregnancies, especially young women (including and especially teenagers) can get desperate. And why wouldn't they? This pregnancy can end up changing their lives, in both a very positive and very negative way. When you're that desperate, and you have no other choice, you *will* resort to dangerous forms of what you're looking for, which put your health and your life at risk. \n\nEDIT: spelling",
"Where's your non \"really dubious\" source for that last claim?",
"They believe the methods used to determine *our current understanding of facts* to be flawed and not following proper science.",
"Lol just downvote and don’t try to argue. There’s the republican spirit. ",
"Same could be said about some people's interpretation of the law, especially immigration law",
"What's racist about claiming that differences races have diverged on iQ?",
"Best show ever made. By a wide margin. \n\nI love everyone on this thread for getting the reference. ",
"No, dude. \n\nThere is no reason to say \"There is no god\" unless a god was claimed.\n\nThe default state is null.",
"How many black geniuses can you name? How many white geniuses?\n\nBear in mind, this holds even before colonization",
"Your inability to grasp science is not a valid argument against it",
"This is a very poor argument base.",
"Thank you! Yeah, the sad thing is most people shouting against them do nothing but encourage them to dig their heels in. I've yet to meet anyone who was convinced of a point's logic and factual nature by being insulted and shouted at.",
"> No one likes to be told they're dumb and they dont understand something.\n\nSo you vote in someone as dumb as you for president and hope they dumb down society for you.",
"It's almost like we were all a cluster of cells at some point",
"Lol this is just simply not true. Are you a scientist?",
"Here's the difference; I'm not grass",
"No. There is evidence math is real.",
"2 GENDERS!!! 👌👦🏼👧",
"At insemination",
"I agree with all of this. It's just that most people use the worst scenario and use it to justify all scenarios. They use the desperate, dangerous, and worst scenarios to justify the \"oopsie! got creamed last week\" abortions. Either way, my original point is that one side cannot force \"science\" onto the other if they do not follow all of it and realize that science can and will change at times. More evidence will be discovered, etc... Science has changed many times. Anyways, I totally agree with all of that. ",
"Napoleon Dynamite is a real guy now? TIL",
"We already knew that you don't actually care about the lives of children, only when it helps your side win an argument. But thanks for the evidence... Enjoy your sandwich.",
"And if a species doesnt have a nervous system? Does it not count as alive?",
"Why is this a question? I said *human* life. ",
"Science says \"Global Warming is fake based on c02 myths, oceans levels not rising and colder temperatures than ever.\" \n\nLiberals say \"But Al Gore showed me a hockey stick in a movie!\"",
"-- Abraham Lincoln ",
"I'm ok with dangerous abortions happening. Outlawing murder does not make them go away. We should not encourage women to use abortion as a clutch for their bad decisions",
"ITT: a bunch of people popping in just to say \"only two genders\". I'm guessing that they're just trying to start arguments. \n\n",
"Here's the sameness; you and grass are both life.",
"the point\n\n\nthe clouds\n\n\nyour thick skull, apparently",
"They probably just don’t like a trans woman defending the argument. ",
"They learned it from watching your side :)",
"\"But the Bible states...\"",
"Well Darpa is part of military funding, most other funding has R&D/science specific sub funding as well.",
"Why would I hate the mentally ill? I pity them. Of course I'm biased -\n I wish that society would stop feeding their mental illness and actually develop a successful method of rehabilitation. \n\nYou're biased as well, you want to encourage them, to feed their life of misery, pain, and mutilation - all because it fits some fucked up agenda buzzfeed/motherjones/jezebel/tumblr implanted in you.",
"Sure, she probably has about that many cats as well.",
"I agree. While I’m all for science, this statement is so folly it’s almost as foolish the anti-science/ignore science crowd.",
"your point\n\noh wait, you made none",
"You would think that, seeing as you completely missed it before.",
"I'm not afraid of it, and it didn't concern me until the push to institute penalties for misgendering. I don't care what people do. However, when Canada passes a law fining me up to a quarter mil if I fail to address an other-kin properly, that's a problem. People are pushing for that same law in my state, and now I'm forced to have an opinion because now it directly affects me. \n\nIf you make your gender public policy, you have no right to be upset when the public has an opinion. ",
"Here's the kicker; some species sometimes kill other species\n\nrly makes you think",
"Yeah I don't know what that guy is on. There is a ridiculous amount of scientific papers that are published...which almost no one ever reads.",
"Gender and sex were interchangeable until a group of outspoken dipshits decided they weren't and then forced their restructured definition of the terms on everybody.\n\n",
"Kirito (SAO Abridged Version) quoted it",
"I disagree. There are a lot of times where you believe in something but don't understand it and have to defer to the experts. It's impossible for anyone to understand all that he believes in. ",
"I already said : \n> I agree his comment was bullshit if it helps you feel better.",
"Mockery goes last. Only after education and explanations and metaphors and comparisons. If it becomes completely clear that it is not ignorance, but intentional stupidity, then nothing will work. Ignore them, mock their stupidity to others who might still change.",
"> the push to institute penalties for misgendering.\n\nRiiiiight....... \n \n \n",
"so you realize i dont care about house flies then. you may prioritize them above human beings but i dont",
"where is it?",
"insult me more. you still havent made an argument",
"what a COOL picture /r/pics ! Such great content on this sub!",
"Times change, we learn more, sorry new knowledge is such a problem for you ",
"Thank you!",
"Explain India. India average IQ 105. \n\nGo ahead genius. Keep making excuses for your lack of scientific understanding by injecting pseudoscience like \"war and colonialism.\"\n\nI will agree with you about one thing.\n\n>That country is a shit hole for the same reasons every other country in Africa is.\n\nYep. :)",
"Then you missed my point entirely. An embryo is hardly a \"human being\". It has human DNA and that's *it*. It's literally an ovum with a sperm cell squeezed inside. That's about as much a person as a fingernail clipping.",
"Yikes",
"https://imgur.com/a/L0N3F",
"Well what do you do when their entire argument is predicated on willful ignorance? Calling someone ignorant isn't calling them an idiot. I do not accept the argument that you're calling someone an idiot if you aren't actually calling them an idiot.\n\nIf you've ever been in a argument with someone who disagrees with a well established scientific fact you quickly realize how little they understand. A lot of their arguments will stem from basically either misinformation, a failure to read primary sources, and arguments from I dunno.. I guess we can call it \"intuition\" or \"common sense\".",
"It makes me think that 'life begins at conception' is a meaningless statement.",
"um... science?",
"Wish that exact logic could be applied for economics.",
"That you were able to make that astonishing comment. That's proof. \n\nAlso there's no reason to reply to me anymore.\n\nI'm putting you in the killfile.\n\nI'd tell you why but I doubt you would ever understand.",
"dont care. penis = man",
"TC; DR.\n\nToo Crazy; Didn't Read. ",
"Eh, just because the media reports on it a lot doesn't mean it's not true because it's overblown by the media. And while questioning the status quo is a good thing, there's a point where one should realize that their few inconsistencies raised doesn't invalidate the established knowledge of the subject. There's far more that's consistent with the concept of anthropogenic climate change than not.\n\nI mean creationists use the same type of arguments where by pointing out inconsistencies and unknowns in the Theory of Evolution, they claim therefore the whole theory is wrong. ",
"I would agree that we can go on about the possibilities of who may or may not exist based on random encounters, but my emphasis is on a fetus that currently exists.\n\nAll I'm saying is that they deserve a shot. If you ask random people on the street if they would have preferred to be aborted the vast majority would say no.\n\nMy point is that just because something doesn't have a voice, an idea, or a stream of consciousness doesn't give someone the right to kill it. \n\nA fetus exists in the physical world. It has a heartbeat, fingerprints, it can move and respond to outside stimuli. And barring unforeseen tragedy that fetus will eventually grow into something that can walk, talk and formulate its own opinions and ideas.",
"Do you need me to [link](http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/civil-rights/301661-this-canadian-prof-defied-sjw-on-gender-pronouns-and-has-a) it again for you?",
"cute but still no evidence. better luck next time :)",
"Lol",
"> It also ignores the fact that even if something is right, the people that believe it don't necessarily understand it.\n\nBut that doesn't matter because the people who are supporting the idea are pointing not just to their own opinion but the substantiated facts that originate from people who do understand it. Saying \"scientists say this is true, and we have enough basis to accept their conclusions\" is different to \"I think scientists are lying because they're on the government payroll and they're in it for the money an its all just collusion\" which is actually a strong allegation. If your argument however is that somehow the bulk of the scientific community is in fact wrong and you, Mr. nobody from the internet, is actually right then you need to argue the science, which they never do either.\n\nTreating everyone like they're the same is bullshit. That's not actually how it works. This \"both sides\" tendency you see, especially on reddit, is a false concept.",
"“Seriously tho, if evolution is real, why we still got monkeys?”",
"You are stupid and ignorant! ",
"I never said the person in the picture is correct without offering proof.",
"Jajajaja",
"so you argue something more meaningless? well done",
"Science is malleable. Its conclusions/absolutes change based on what the current evidence reflects. Well, good science does, anyway. I see this constantly as a nurse. New evidence surfaces, and if the research shows to be acceptable and not bogus, we change our care habits and, generally, see better patient outcomes. Good science isn’t egotistical. Good science is unbiased search of objective truth. I fucking guarantee you any good scientist has no problem changing his/her beliefs IF THE EVIDENCE DICTATES IT. Archaic religious beliefs are quite the opposite. But not all religious people are that way. Call me crazy, but I don’t necessarily think religion and science are mutually exclusive. I don’t give a fuck if you believe in a higher power, that’s fine. But that doesn’t mean that you should ignore science and sound evidence because it conflicts with your religion. \n\nEdit because I hate autocorrect ",
"You’re uhhhhhhh gay ",
"when does it become human then?",
"> In a 50-50 chance of being right, you're not making the world better for jumping in with the majority.\n\nThat's a disingenuous way of describing this. One needn't fully understand something to understand where one should lay their confidence.\n\nIn reality its not 50/50, its far from it because even in the absence of meaningful understanding there are other ways to parse the reliability of authority.\n\n",
"I reiterate - there is no reason to care.\n\nCommenting \"haha 2 genders xd\" serves no purpose, there are bigger battles to be fought.",
"Exactly, every anti-vaxxer I’ve ever met has derisively told me to “go do some research, it’s proven science that vaccines cause autism.”\n\n“Go do some research” is often code for “go research the niche websites that I also use which are written by unqualified idiots with no real evidence.”",
"is that a srs question? you never heard of politics leaking in the type of research that was conducted?",
"TIL you can't logic.",
"your dogmatic defense of science is rubbish",
"Like I said, it's not a human *being*. It's still technically \"human,\" it just isn't a person. And again, I would argue that the development of a brain and nervous system is the point at which abortion should no longer be allowed, aside from some extreme conditions.",
"that's \"cute\" speak for mental illness",
"yea but here's the thing, if you read the actual science itself you get a far better picture and as a layperson who has I cannot find any discernible confidence for the anti AGW side whatsoever who all contradict and strawman and misrepresent the scientific data they attempt to discredit.\n\nYou don't need to be an actual climate scientist to dismantle the shabby propaganda of the anti AGW side which mostly relies on its adherent's own poor research skills and grotesquely deranged methods of reasoning. Spending even a half assed amount of time delving into the climate science discussion has lead me to the conclusion that anti AGW is nearly as bankrupt intellectually as 9/11 trutherism except there's often strangely more effort on research by the truthers, even if often its still shabby as fuck.",
"silly comment",
"Same as you cannot prove im not god, therefore i am god i guess.\n\nYou cannot disprove hogwartz either. And we are back to ficiton.",
"gender = what i feel like wearing today",
"there are two genders",
"Not a single thing and it's why race mixing is a good idea. Genetic diversity lends itself to creating a stronger diverse humanity.",
"Yes ignore my second link. My overall point is that the people who are trans **may** suffer from delusion in the same way as people with species dysphoria.",
"so there are humans beings who are not persons? isnt that what nazis and slave owners did?",
"They happen at about the same rate as naturally occurring red hair. ",
"I wish you'd instead spelled it _vaillant_ or something.",
"not always\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbreeding_depression",
"Do those people have brains and nervous systems? Can they physically operate on their own? Do they think for themselves and create original thoughts?\n\nNow, does a newly created embryo exhibit any of those criteria?",
"> No one likes to be told they're dumb and they dont understand something.\n\nProblem. How do you address people who's primary issue is they don't understand things?",
"https://imgur.com/a/ZgFCt",
"Response from a real life flat earther:\nhttps://imgur.com/bIojEF1",
"If I'm taking marshmallows as an analogy to help you see something, that doesn't mean I'm trying to steer the conversation toward marshamallows. And yes, religion is the easiest subject to explain the burden of proof: it illustrates how and why you can't suddenly decide the burden of proof can be reversed.\n\nThe few sentences you added were entirely unnecessary and proof of nothing.\n\n>I didn't need to repeat what /u/riem37 already said. However, I expanded on it. You've since admitted (again, to him) that the sign is a poor piece of argumentation, which is the whole point.\n\nAdmitting is not the correct word here; that's sign of weakness, retreat. I never did such a thing, because I never said it was a good piece of argumentation to begin with. I actually said the opposite, again and again.\n\n>The whole point, already made by me quite early, is that whoever is making the assertion has to prove it...or as I put it: \"Doesn't that go both ways?\" A question which you did not answer until you answered /u/riem37. In that case you answered \"yes\", which is, as I've repeatedly said, the whole point.\n\nThis is not what you were saying in the first place. You were trying to say the burden of proof is equally shared, that \"both ways\" can just say they're right. I've since explained to you that this isn't correct: one side shares a thesis, that sides has to share arguments proving that thesis. \n\nIn our example: anti-scientologist says scientologist does not understand science --> anti-scientologist has to prove that. But anti-scientologist can't just go and say that scientologist has to prove he understands science. So we see here that no, it does not go both way.\n\nYou make a thesis, you prove it.\n\n>As you have point out, I don't have to prove it wrong. You made the assertion; you provide the proof. By the way, you have a very weird belief system.\n\nLet me open to you the doors of the church of the [Flying Spaghetti Monster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Spaghetti_Monster).\n\n>The only true scientific religious position is being agnostic. Everything else is based on beliefs outside the realm of science.\n\nYep, pretty much why I am agnostic. No proof exist for either side. But again, that's beside the point.",
"It gives the user a sense of accomplishment. I'm so smart and you're so dumb mentality runs this place. ",
"So some loony students in Canada in a youtube video are now a threat to your very existence? What happened in your imaginary scenario? What actually happened?\n \n",
"you realize that their are ppl who have to share a brain with another person right? conjoined twins. and their are ppl born that will never be able to take care of themselves or physically operate by themselves?\n\nare they not human then?",
"**Edit: got you mixed up with someone else I'm presently debating. Removed offending line :)**\n\n> It's not an argument \n\nOf course it is. It's a political argument using science as a smoke screen for what is essentially an attack on the intellect of their opponents.\n\nAs such, it is a \"just so\" argument. You can say it's appropriate here, but that is probably because you agree strongly with the political message. I wonder if you would feel the same way if you did not agree with it.\n\n> equally write it off as entirely fallacious garbage\n\nDoes this passive-aggressive tack work in other parts of your life?\n\n> Literally the people who argue against science, as per your own words.\n\nYou make the assumption that someone who understands science would support it, and then you try to lever it into the idea that if you are against science you must not understand it. \n\nI personally love science and see it as one of the greatest tools mankind has ever invented. That said, I have known people who understood science exceedingly well and thought it was a terrible idea. Their arguments are solid.\n\n> But, the sign isn't addressing people who have valid arguments.\n\nCome on man. This sign is about demonizing the political opponents. Taking your interpretation of the intent of this sign would mean that it is simply a vapid statement.\n\n> are we talking about people who believe global warming is a Chinese hoax debunked by snowfall? If we are, these people are stupid and have nothing to contribute to a discussion on global warming.\n\nI agree. As you must agree that anyone who thinks that a hot summer day proves global warming. Although we both need to be careful, because the correct term is climate change anyway.\n\nFor that matter, there are lots of people who have no business talking about these matters weighing in on them, but only one side gets told they are idiots. And that side is the opposite one of whatever side is doing the telling. \n\n> And if a person has a reasonable or informed criticism of global warming -- well, they're not being addressed by the sign, are they?\n\nYes they are. The sign implies that if you don't believe what the sign holder believes, you must not believe in science, and you are therefore an idiot. That is the *intent* of the sign. People do not get up, take the time to make a sign, march for a day, probably shouting the whole time, to make some point about the finer aspects of logic. ",
"Exactly, because half of their argument is that you can’t prove something’s nonexistence. That wouldn’t be the case if they had actual proof",
"Got got any proof of that? Looking at what I could find they all said that it has both risk and benefits and whether those benefits overweigh the risks is up to the parent.\n\nThey also admit that most of the benefits go away with regular hygiene. So it's helpful if you are too lazy to wash your dick.",
"You do realize science is not necessarily truths. There are a lot of different theories about climate change that falls under science. ",
"Sign's for you then :)",
"I sense the apathy is strong with this one.",
"dont care. two spirits = mental illness",
"Lmfao. Except we can literally trace the creation of these myths throughout human history. There is zero evidence of any god, and if there were one, it would not be the abrahamic monotheistic one",
"Gender is made up, so many. Sex however is more limited, so about five. \n\nhttp://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/(SICI)1520-6300(200003/04)12:2<151::AID-AJHB1>3.0.CO;2-F/abstract",
"> you realize that their are ppl who have to share a brain with another person right? conjoined twins\n\nDo they each have individual thoughts? If not, can they being considered two people, or is it one person with two of everything except a brain?\n\n> and their are ppl born that will never be able to take care of themselves or physically operate by themselves?\n\nYou got a brain? Does your brain function? Then by golly, you're a person! \n",
"Thank you for your input, I'm sure all the scientists will get right on it.",
"the only increase we need is in people actually reading the fucking stuff instead of relying on blogs or misleading news stories that provide no accurate information. I've read scientific publications and frequently you can pick it apart without much trouble. You can't understand most of the hard data but you can understand the things they're saying are happening and a great deal of the time the people who are arguing against AGW are totally misrepresenting things that most lay people could figure out if they read the right stuff.\n\nThe accessible parts of papers are there.",
"your welcome :)",
"A peer-reviewed one. \n\nhttp://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/(SICI)1520-6300(200003/04)12:2<151::AID-AJHB1>3.0.CO;2-F/abstract",
"so Anencephalic babies arent human?",
"Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder and society is treating these people by embracing their magical thoughts rather than trying to correct them ",
"Someone tell this gal we're in a post-Asimovian epoch for anti-intellectualism. My ignorance is no longer merely as good as your knowledge (as Asimov posited long ago). Nowadays, *it's better.* Freer, braver, less susceptible to (intellectual) elites (the worst kind!!!), and more appropriate to a people who value toughness, audacity, and marching in step behind a tough, audacious leader.\n\nSomeone hand me an assault weapon, I feel a *'murica* moment coming on.",
"Man sure is easy when you just argue against strawmen.",
"I'm very pro choice but it is scientifically speaking a person and it meets the general consensus of life. The debate is more so which life do we value more? ",
"EVIDENCE TRUMPS OPINION(what it says on the back of the sign)\n\nYEAH SCIENCE, BITCH!",
"Yeah I noticed the same. It was around 2 am central when I did and holy molly did it catch some quick hate.",
"You don't even need to learn most of the hard science involved. You just need to read the conclusions and descriptions of what the scientists conclude form their research that typically is misrepresented by reporting in news or in blogs.\n\nYou can go further and investigate the actual mechanisms of climate science but even just reading the conclusions from the papers themselves is better than what you get from news sources that often literally contradict the source and amazingly are often found to be only quoting some shitty blog themselves instead of the paper because apparently in the news world today science reporters are the lowest hack frauds in the group.",
"You need to learn the facts, the suicide rate for trans people is the same pre and post transition. No one chooses to have the condition but mutilating the body and pretending to change biology is sick and as anti science as it gets.\n “Gender is social norm” this is also psuedo science that’s preached at colleges and far left psychologists with an agenda. They ironically contradict biology for their own “social norm” ",
"The sign is for you :)",
"Why would they assume that trans people (people who identify as a gender other than the one assigned to them at birth) and \"63 genders\" people (also people who identify as a gender other than the one assigned to them at birth) are the same?\n\nI just don't know. It's a mystery that will only ever be solved by learning that words actually have meanings.",
"Projecting much?",
"Good. You shouldn't take random opinions on science seriously. You should consider peer-reviewed evidence. \nhttp://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/(SICI)1520-6300(200003/04)12:2<151::AID-AJHB1>3.0.CO;2-F/abstract",
"I'm not well read on that particular topic. Will have to read into it before I give a response.\n\nThank you for that though. Take an upvote. :)",
"Just because I don't care, doesn't mean I don't understand.",
"Stop saying \"human\". We're not talking \"human.\" We're talking \"person.\" I would say a corpse is human, but not a person. An embryo is a human, but not a person. Anencephalic babies? Person. But that person is dead within the hour, unfortunately, whether you want it to be or not. ",
"Lotta people in this thread don't seem to understand when you culturally treat a class of people as subhuman it has some effects.",
"ah thanks, didn't notice. I'll edit my link to match this one.",
"I’m not an unreasonable person, show me undeniable proof that god is real and I’ll probably believe it. But considering this hasn’t been on national television I’m gonna assume is probably not true",
"Sure. Person. So you admit you need not have a brain to be a person then? Note, they're not always born dead",
"I heard there were some deaths after that tax bill was passed, too. ",
"Those are common, weak, and long refuted objections that actually undermine the case against the Bible's infallibility because they rest upon inference drawn from eisegesis.\n\n> So who actually went to the empty tomb?\n\nMary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome went to the tomb. Others joined them on the way back, when they went towards the disciples. Simon did not believe them, so he went back to the tomb with John (the other disciple who is identified as John in the end of the book of John). I can understand why anti-Christians would mistake the first three accounts for contradictions, but the fact that they mention John 20:1-3 despite being aware that it was a separate visit gives the impression that they're attempting to strengthen an argument against the Bible that even they themselves already consider to be weak.\n\nJ. Warner Wallace, a cold case detective, applied the expertise of his field to the Gospels and concluded that there were true eyewitness accounts. It led him to convert to Christianity, which is the opposite of what these objections are aimed to be for. Wallace concluded that the Gospels were eyewitness accounts precisely because of their differences (not contradictions) where some mention extra details that the others leave out.\n\n> Who did they find?\n\nThe angels are clearly identified as the white robed men; these are not different entities. For example, Matthew 28:3 confirms this. Furthermore, the women weren't there when the angel rolled the stone, sat on it, and scared the guards of the tomb, so he could have gone into the tomb before the women arrived. Hence why the women spoke about the sealed tomb before looking up and realizing that the stone had been rolled away.\n\nThe objection has to do with the idea that the Gospels disagree on the amount of angels present. However, look closely and you'll conclude that there was at least one angel present, but no specific mention of him being alone. As Norm Geisler states: *“Matthew does not say there was only one angel. John [and Luke] say there were two, and wherever there are two there is always one; it never fails!”*\n\n> Who did they tell afterwards?\n\nThey said nothing to anyone while leaving the area of the tomb. They were specifically instructed to tell the disciples even in the verse that comes right before Mark 16:8, so they obviously told the disciples. It's hard to spot the supposed contradiction unless you really try, which says alot more about those who oppose the Bible than those who believe in it.\n\n> Where did Jesus ascend?\n\nBethany lies at the foot of the mount of Olives. There is no contradiction here for multiple reasons, such as that the text does not imply that Jesus ascended right away, and the mount of Olives is in the geographical location of Bethany anyway.\n\n**Also notice that all four of these objections rely on filling in blanks and drawing conclusions from interpretations that stem from predetermined objection to the Bible, rather than explicit textual statements that supposedly contradict.**\n\n> What's Josephs genealogy?\n\nOne account is about Mary and the other is about Joseph. They are different because one gives the genealogy of the firstborns of the royal blood line (the legal line of heirs of the throne of David, as was Jewish custom, and this would have been appropriate when considering that Matthew wrote to the Jews), whereas Luke, who did not write to the Jews, includes the non-royal members as well (the biological bloodline). That's how I've come to understand it, but I must admit that I have yet limited knowledge of this particular subject.\n\n> Also how do you reconcile them saying Jesus is the son of Joseph with his virgin birth?\n\nJesus also carries the title of *son of David*. Joseph was of the Davidic bloodline, which is why Jesus (God Himself) was born among the family of Joseph despite him not being Jesus' biological father. [The Bible makes that distinction in Luke 2:43, where it refers to Joseph as Joseph, but to Mary as Jesus' mother. ](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+2:43&version=KJV)",
"Yeah apparently all these rightwing rational-logic-masters are very very active on reddit at 2 a.m, while all the *actual* educated people aren't until 8am ish.\n\nhmm",
"It clearly has a brain. \n\n> Note, they are not always born dead.\n\nNever said they were. But they end up dead really quickly because they just can't survive. ",
"oh yeah, no one should get science information from newspapers, since it's almost always terribly misrepresented over overhyped to hell.",
"These people can't even comprehend that they're the *exact* people the sign is making fun of.\n\nBut hey they've got buzzwords to throw at strawmen and a horde of dumbfucks who'll upvote their spicy memes so that keeps them warm at night.",
"It's simplified, but I never mentioned heat capacity so I wonder where you got that.",
"> Also, there are events like this that don't exactly inspire confidence.\n\nMaybe I'm confused, but what exactly was troublesome about that? ",
"God, I got you so flustered all you could do was spew buzzwords.",
"cant deny modern science, its all facts",
"Can we rename this sub to r/signswithwords",
"Is this an anti abortion protester? ",
">As far as evolution and climate change, you are arguing against a very small minority. \n\nUnfortunately (with regards to climate change) that \"small minority\" controls 2 branches of government.\n\n>and with climate change, most argue that humans aren’t the main reason for climate change \n\nAnd those people are wrong. The science is very very clear. https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/",
"Your inability to explain the science without saying \"it's a consensus!\" However does. ",
"> They're correct. It is just a theory. \n\nNo they're not, because the implicit meaning of the statement is that theory is a low confidence category that shouldn't be accepted as having authority above 'common sense' or traditional non science based assumptions, where in reality a scientific theory is much more confidence inducing when well backed than the colloquial use of the term.\n\nYou can't say someone is correct because they apply the wrong definition of a term used in the scientific method in their argument. They're abusing the fact that a term of technical meaning in science is shared with a colloquial term of very different meaning.",
"\"Anencephaly is the absence of a major portion of the brain, skull, and scalp that occurs during embryonic development\"\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anencephaly\n\nliterally the first line on the wiki article. are you telling me half a brain is still a brain?",
"Ditto?\n\nThere's only two genders ;)\n\n\"BUT I IDENTIFY AS A TRANS-FOX!\"",
">You need to learn the facts, the suicide rate for trans people is the same pre and post transition. \n\nThat is a myth...\n\n[largest study done to date](http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/827713). It was about a 90% reduction in depression. \n\n\n>No one chooses to have the condition but mutilating the body and pretending to change biology is sick and as anti science as it gets.\n\nSociety \"mutilates\" the body all the time and has for a very long time (circumcision, breast enhancements and even things like piercings and tattoos are forms of body mutilation). \n\n\n>“Gender is social norm” this is also psuedo science that’s preached at colleges and far left psychologists with an agenda.\n\nIt's called \"social sciences\" and it is very different than hard/natural sciences, but that doesn't mean it has no merit. If progression of human civilization is \"left wing\" then, sure, call it whatever you want. We used to jail, chemically castrate, and even kill people for being gay. I, for one, am glad we don't do that shit anymore and I'll happily support the progress of human culture.",
"I get what you're saying but referring to another person as \"other-kin\" (even though this doesn't really happen outside of Tumblr) is not a big deal. It's just a word. It's what they want to be called and that's it. There's no pretending and there's no irreconcilable view that you have to agree with. It's just a name.\n\nImagine if I told you my name is John and I wanted you to refer to me as John. Would you then demand to see my birth certificate to see if my name is actually John? Or would you just \"play along\" and \"pretend\" because calling me John, even if that isn't my real name, is not that big of a deal?",
"We're having a debate. ",
"Science is only successful when it is wrong. If you have an assumption that is validated by experiment, you haven't learned anything. It is only through failed assumptions that the needle of progress is moved. Science begins with the infinite set of all possibilities, and narrows the field repeatedly through contradiction until something resembling reality remains. Scientists live and thrive on the unknown edge of knowledge, because what is known is uninteresting, except as a foundation for further experimentation.",
"Ha! I'm pretty immature, but I still think science is currently the best way to understand the world. ",
"He’s committed to the fact that there are only 2 genders, dedication. ",
"misread it at as \"can't\" since that's what he's been arguing.",
"Except with pseudo science like Global Warming they say the there will no longer be snow in the world by 2017, but then that dosnt happen, and we still have to pretend that it's \"science\".\n\nYou can't compare the two. ",
"Are you saying I have any responsability over these people?\nI'd gladly drive them to a psychiatrist.",
"goodness this crowd 180's real quick on whether anthropology is legit science based on whether they like the findings.",
"Just because something is philosophical doesn’t mean science isn’t relevant in the debate. As a matter of fact, you can’t do one without the other.\n\nTrying to make philosophical arguments without scientific backing leaves you with hollow and unsupported ideas. You can do science without philosophy but philosophy helps gives scientists new hypotheses to test.\n\nIn this case, the abortion argument comes down to when does a human life inherent rights.\n\nTo determine what defines a human, we turn to science. The taxonomy of living things says that humans are a species of primates, specifically, Homo sapiens. The question is, at what point in the reproductive process does a Homo sapiens begin to exist. This is also a matter of science.\n\nTo determine what rights a human has, we have to define what a right is, and where rights come from. This is philosophical where science has little bearing. ",
"Welcome to the debate on god, where neither side has any type of scientific evidence for or against it. \n\n",
"Also important to understand that science is constantly changing and evolving. Hell a hundred years ago \"science\" supported institutionalized racism. The word science is misappropriated a lot even in modern society.\n\nNot to mention academia itself being very biased in what is \"accepted\" - many academics lash out at their theory being disproven and don't really behave as logically as we'd like. ",
"There are some theories that point to similar climate change in history as just a natural occurrence. I personally adopt the green house gas approach, but there are other theories with supporting evidence.",
"There are two ways of dealing with being told you don't understand something. One is to dig your heels in and stand firm in your belief. The other is to study it until you understand. People who practice the former are religious. People who practice the latter are scientists.",
"> Gladly help people with mental issues\n\n> Avoid people with mental issues\n\nYou just contradicted yourself. Pick one.",
">It's the fact that the left is trying to push acceptance of mental illness enabling on to the world.\n\nTransition **is the medical treatment for gender dysphoria**\n\nIt's the right that seems to think ignoring they exist or abusing them for being different is the medical treatment.\n\n",
"> We're told we have a vote and a voice yet we have no clue. We're encouraged to get engaged in things we aren't qualified for.\n\nThe problem is that the political system works against your own understanding of the topic to prevent you from exercising this political right effectively. Its called misinformation, propaganda, marketing, and much more. Business people do not understand everything they're involved in either but they do not suffer often the same issues of accessing confidence inducing information because they can pay for it and get advisers. The public is maligned in their efforts to utilize their political rights deliberately.\n\nThis is classic Manufacturing Consent.\n\n>Why the fuck don't we accept the expertise of the experts?\n\nOften experts in many areas, such as economics, should be doubted because there's a lot of deception involved in ideology and politics. When it comes to policy based on hard evidence though that again intrudes on ideology as well. Ask why we're taught to not trust science experts on matters of say regulation or climate science policy its obvious why, we're being mislead for material purposes.",
"It often depends on what field you are in and the quality of the journal you are publishing. But it does range and vary. You are right that it does cost much more if you want open access for the article, but often labs will not publish open access because their grant has to bear the cost, as opposed to people paying to access that article.\n\n\nHere is more information: https://www.nature.com/news/open-access-the-true-cost-of-science-publishing-1.12676",
"Where every single fiction ever written can be used as evidence apparently.\n\n",
"That articles is behind a paywall.",
"Geneticists say race is a social construct. Sociologists say gender is a social construct. Biologists say there's five sexes. ",
"he typo'd \"can't\" in the portion I quoted. At least I assumed so since that's the position he's been arguing.",
"> Where every single fiction ever written can be used as evidence apparently.\n\n\nNot what I said, don't deflect. There is not a single shred of SCIENTIFIC evidence that god does or doesn't exist. Both arguments are based on belief and thats it.",
"> You'll find that the ones arguing the hardest against anthropogenic climate change are actually people with a very solid background in science.\n\nWho are you arguing with? The vast majority of people I've encountered have never read any science except through misleading cherry picked things on blogs. Where there are voices of more authority they're often shown to be connected to oil industries or are not respected by their peers.",
"I'm not saying that it isn't life. I'm questioning whether it is a person yet. ",
"I usually see this argument made by the people who reject the fact that we've ever been to space and say rockets don't work out of our atmosphere.",
"Exactly like Hogwarts and middle earth. I choose to believe in dragons, wizards and spells. To bad I might be a muggle.",
"> modern progression of science and research on sociology and biology\n\nModern progression, meaning feelings substituting basic biology. There are only two biological genders, you cannot call it 'progression' because there's nothing to progress, biology is biology.\n \nAnd I agree, we shouldn't stigmatize gender dysphoria mental illnesses, just like we shouldn't stigmatize any sort of mental illness. There's a reason why attempted suicide rates are at 30% among transgenders for example. These are people with very real illnesses that need help.",
"Your inability to grasp the arguments put forth against capitalism is not an argument that they do not grasp economics.",
"You're forgetting the other percentage of people who have looked into the science deeply and have decided that it is in fact a load of nonsense. So much of this \"science\" has become so politicized that scientists in university presenting counter arguments with credible research have lost their teniors ",
"Except in Pakistan....",
"If thats your belief then go for it, as long as you aren't hurting anyone why should I care?",
"I love the downvotes for citing facts that unravel the circle jerk fodder of taking pot shots at gender discussion.",
">This heat receives a resistance to moving upwards because of the air in the way, this air has a specific heat coeffecient which traps heat to the earths surface.\n>\n\nIf you've taken a thermodynamics class, you'd be facepalming at this.\n",
"I know you're being sarcastic here but holy shit that exact sentiment has been shotgunned all over this thread and getting circlejerk upvoted by all the other mouthbreathers who live on memes.",
"Nothing like a little bit of cultural chauvinism to reinforce the bigotry shown previously.",
"https://imgur.com/a/lhLFH",
"They were surprisingly active around 2.a.m ",
"> If I'm taking marshmallows as an analogy to help you see something, that doesn't mean I'm trying to steer the conversation toward marshamallows.\n\nThat is exactly what an analogy does. It's the whole purpose of an analogy. It steers the conversation into hopefuly smoother easier waters to eventually steer back to the original point with new insights. \n\nSo are we talking about marshmallows now or what?\n\n> Admitting is not the correct word here; that's sign of weakness, retreat.\n\nUse whatever words you want. You proffered a position of argumentation consistent with a previously stated suggestion after being properly informed. \n\n> This is not what you were saying in the first place. You were trying to say the burden of proof is equally shared, that \"both ways\" can just say they're right.\n\nI did not. That is not my meaning. It never was. I said that both could make that argument, meaning that both are equally *wrong* there. I used what I *thought* was an easy analogy since it was brought up by the person I was responding to. Although, now that I think about it, both can say \"I'm right\", but that also doesn't make them right. But hey, thanks for telling me what I think, even though I have actually *said* what I think over and over again.\n\nYou have misinterpreted me, so I'll give you a shot here to say: oh, in that case, I guess we agree.\n\n> But again, that's beside the point.\n\nNot really. Your analogy and example; you tied it to the point. If you want to cut it loose, I'd be more than happy to. It was not a good idea to start with.",
"Correct.\n\nThe length of my foot is not dependent on your ability to grasp it.",
"I don't get what you're trying to say, but it sounds wrong, so it probably is.",
"fair enough I just do not think shutting out all other theories is a healthy way to further science. You should be open to conversation about the topic, not so hostile to other povs.",
"They do not no da wey.",
"Actually science is incredibly stable. Big questions have been mostly answered in many categories. Smaller things are less clear but in matters of say evolutionary science nothing has shattered the broad strokes of what Darwin is known for laying out. Showing his assumptions about gradualism to be wrong hasn't changed anything really.\n\nThe more we learn the more the things that shift are smaller elements of the bigger picture. Comparing our knowledge today to 500 years ago is disingenuous. If you need to go back that far to find a big example of something that radically changed then that's actually making the argument that science is far more stable than you give credit for.\n\nIf it truly were unstable then you can find me an example in the last 50 years that was just as radical a departure as proving heliocentrism.\n\nDo not make the mistake of comparing relative ignorance with the condition of understanding things extremely well. There is a difference between understanding that we may contradict things we know little about and arguing we will likely ever contradict the Heliocentric model.\n\nFurthermore the loss of much of the information about heliocentrism that was known back int he days of the Hellenistic scientists contributes a lot to what was known 500 years ago or earlier. We're not in the same situation either. Now please show me a radical shift equivalent to heliocentrism arriving on the scene that's contradicted something in the last century and you may have a point. I doubt you'll find anything though.",
"> you have the balls to talk about a bias I would have\n\nI'm pretty sure you do. Positive in fact. I may be wrong on the details, but every person has bias. That's why we have science. Didn't I already cover that?\n\n> condescending into trying to explain science to me.\n\nYou're really starting to get emotional here. We can stop at any time. I'm sure that would be better than accidentally stumbling into getting banned.",
"Pluto is not a planet.\n\n",
"Californiastan....?",
"that's an awful lot of text for someone who doesn't want to fight this battle because of their mortgage \n\nin fact it seems very much that you're actively fighting against non-binary and trans-people right now\n\nyou really only have two choices here, if you want your words to be credited as anything more than lies you tell to make yourself feel good, either: \n\n - don't ever post about gender politics again. at least until your mortgage is paid off or you become enough of an adult to handle both a full time job and the massively world changing mindfuck of tiny handfuls of strangers choosing their own pronouns\n\nor\n\n - admit that you just hate non-binary and trans-people, regardless of the science",
"Except for the fact that the \"treatment\" doesn't work, and there's still a high suicide rate for those who \"transition\". ",
"gosh I wonder if that has anything to do with this culturally animosity towards them that *increases* when they get treatment.",
"> Whereas we know that theories may be proven false and establish a better theory\n\nNot really. We're never going to show the Heliocentric model is wrong because if we did at this point we'd have to question everything we know and would be in a real pickle because there's no conceivable way for our knowledge of anything to make sense anymore. Its like finding out that 1+1 doesn't equal 2 but somehow all our math adds up under this regime and you have to figure out how to make the math work. Its inconceivable really.\n\nOnce a theory is established, like evolution or plate tectonics, there's an inconceivably small chance it'll be shown to be incorrect. Plate tectonics are a fact. We can experience changes in the matters related to how and why things happen within plate tectonics but its not going to be seen that one day we'll find out plate tectonics doesn't actually exist, that we're wrong, there is no mantle, there is no upper crust, earth quakes are not caused by one plate subducting under another and them catching, whatever.\n\nSome things are more variable than others owing to less firm knowledge, but once we get that firm knowledge its far far far less likely to ever meaningfully change. The \"what\" gets answered and it usually stays the same. The \"how\" often can vary greatly, like evolution never ever being doubted since it was first accepted but the notion of how it happens, gradualism later becoming punctuated equilibria, can shift.",
"That is what people thought for a hundreds of years with the earth being the center of the universe. Why are you so scared of discussing it? If your pov is right explain why. ",
"Damn, I didn't know about that! Anyway I agree with you, I don't know if it's because of the speed of new technological advancements or because of the complexity of some theories, but a lot of people do tend to take any new theory with too much enthusiasm. For every small discovery there's some article talking about how groundbreaking it is and speculating on its possible implications as if they were facts. Maybe you are right, science could soon be a new religion if they don't tone this down a little",
"That's because people who take shots at gender diversity are usually reactionary shit bags who just troll.",
"It's never really been tried, right? LmRao",
"Exactly! Which is why I ask all people to explain to me how it is that they measure oppression.\n\nSocial sciences have more in common with \"**faith**\" than they do with science. You can not measure oppression, yet you regularly hear those indoctrinated by \"the one *true* ideology\" that some groups face more oppression than others.... \"more\" as in they've measured and compared the two groups? With what unit of measurement did they use? They never answer, but instead list a bunch of facts that fit their model, while ignoring the ones that don't, which is the same tactic that flat Earthers use, always looking only at data which conforms to their idea, but **never ever ever daring** to look towards data that might conflict with their idea.\n\nTo the indoctrinated social scientist looking at data which does not fit their faith is a sin, and must be met with social punishments, such as downvoting, censorship, ostracization. \n\nThe religious right may call the invisible, omnipresent entity which plays a magical hand in all of our daily interactions, and must me named for communal peace \"**the holy spirit**\", while the faithful followers of \"the one *true* ideology\" call this entity \"**white privilege**\", and while the religious right worships the holy spirit, the faithful followers of the one true ideology see it more as a demon.\n\nThe followers of the one true ideology deny that a fetus is in fact a human body that is being killed by abortion.\n\nThe followers of the one true ideology deny evolution, by insisting that we're all the same under our skin despite the fact that we can tell the ethnicity of people by their skeleton, and despite clear physical, and mental differences between subgroups of humans. Different groups of people, as groups, will have different average heights, different rates of conceiving twins, different rates of disease irritability, different blood types, different skin colors, different natural hair styles, different IQ's, different rates of mental illness, different rates of committing violent crime, different predispositions to delayed gratification... which is a particularly interesting one. If your ancestors spent a few thousand years in a climate with winter then you likely evolved to experience much greater likelihood of anxiety, as all of your ancestors who didn't have anxiety to push them to secure food and solid shelter for winter died. Meanwhile the ones who worked hard to overproduce, survived. Contrast to this to places which have food year round, such as the tropics, where food was always available and they could afford to \"live in the moment\" without dying. This is called evolution, yet believers in \"the one *true* ideology\" deny evolutionary traits such as this.\n\nIt's hard to imagine how a non-religious faith could sweep the nation the way that it has. As an atheist, I find it fascinating how many people seem to both hate religious faith, but will hold on to faith based beliefs as long as it's under the false pretense of \"being science\". I ask again, what unit of measure is used to measure oppression, and if there is no measure, how can one say that there is more oppression in one place than another... if it's immeasurable, like the holy spirit is immeasurable, then you could never tell whether there is more or less in an area. \n\nFascinating... but to the faithful followers to the one true ideology, keeping and spreading the faith is the most important ideal in life. Like the Christians used to burn books to eradicate knowledge that didn't fit their faith, the faithful followers happily engage in the same behavior, by downvoting, banning, and censoring through all means possible. It's not about having a real discussion for them, it's about keeping the faith.",
">>Avoid people with mental issues\n\nI never said that boy.\n\nObviously in the real world there would be context like whether the person in question would want to go to a psychiatrist which seems very unlikely in our current society which would rather go along in someones delusions than get them help. \n\n45% kill themselves post-op, you might say it's because of bigots but that doesn't make the operation any less useless. The real obscenity is that this is paid with other peoples taxes. And yes this is the case in many European countries.",
"You still don't get it. It's far more complicated than chromosomes. ",
"Amazon is not a source... You guys are not worth teaching",
"Literally provide any source but Breitbart and I might take you seriously about the conference. \n\nOh, and any sort of source for your own claims would be a bare minimum.",
"Yeah, but what else are they going to do? Our understanding of the world and the human condition keeps growing and changing. This is probably a scary time to be a conservative. ",
"Did you know you can buy books... From Amazon?\n\nYou know what you find in books? Yeah...\n\nOh right. This is Reddit. You're not allowed to buy anything without Mommy's approval.",
"Why do you libtards have to put people in jail for not playing make believe?",
"You're arguing with a straw man pushed by right wing trolls. The vast majority of people who identify as non-binary don't have any interest in having you use some special pronoun to refer to them.",
"I agree with the thought but a lot of people also now view science as a belief system. If you were to try and explain application of the scientific method to a \"known\" issue you'd simply be called a \"science denier\". \n\nThat is the antithesis of actual science and no different than any religion. ",
">They also only count ancestry from sub-Saharan Africa. \n\nYes because the other part of Africa doesn't have black people.\n\n>The study took people who self describe as european americans, among other groups, then tested them genetically. Yea, people who describe themselves like that have a pretty low chances of being anything but white. \n\nAnd obviously they mean when asked about their heritage not people who put it on their CV\n\nAlso all these arguments do not even touch the thesis of race realism. They do not show how Alt Hype is wrong about anything.",
"Ok so they don't need to change, the world does. ",
"Your inability to grasp Hitler's plan is not a valid argument against it!",
"Ok so they don't need to change, the world does. ",
"2 + 2 = 4\n\n***Boom***",
"All I know, is I don’t know. Unfortunately we have a lot of “experts” in this country don’t we?",
"2 + 2 = 4\n\n***Boom***",
"> That is exactly what an analogy does. It's the whole purpose of an analogy. It steers the conversation into hopefuly smoother easier waters to eventually steer back to the original point with new insights.\n> \n> So are we talking about marshmallows now or what?\n\nI'm afraid you just don't know what an analogy is. This is a bit sad. That's the opposite of the purpose of analogy: it helps talking about X. It does not steer away from X. \n\n>Use whatever words you want. You proffered a position of argumentation consistent with a previously stated suggestion after being properly informed.\n\nNope. I stayed on the same exact position from the beginning.\n\n>Not really. Your analogy and example; you tied it to the point. If you want to cut it loose, I'd be more than happy to. It was not a good idea to start with.\n\nI agree. It was not a good idea to start with to start pretending it goes both ways, because it could be interpreted in different ways. If you wanted to say that everyone has to provide arguments to their thesis, you should have said so.",
"whats 2? whats 4?\n\nBOOM",
"whats 2? whats 4?\n\nBOOM",
"Those are numbers.",
"yes it is, it's a part of science, also there are a ton of ideas out there that haven't been disproven because no one has bothered to disprove them. that doesn't make a study with 14 guys and a high undergrad conclusive fact.",
"What a shitty argument. Heritability is measured by controlling for environmental factors. They study twins growing up in different circomestances to determine heritability and effects of environment. You are literally saying heritability doesn't mean genetic differences because environmental factors have influence. That just shows you don't understand.\n\nThese IQ differences persist in every socio-economic class. Whites with a college degree are smarter than blacks with a graduate degree on average. Poorest whites' SAT scores are comparable to the richest blacks. Do you really argue that rich blacks are somehow environmentally stunted in their brain development?",
"If you paid two seconds of attention, you would have noted that I never said I don't have a bias. I'm telling you that you can't go around others pretending you can teach them what science are and what they're for when you fail to even understand the process of thesis/argumentation.\n\n>You're really starting to get emotional here. We can stop at any time. I'm sure that would be better than accidentally stumbling into getting banned.\n\nSo in response to me pointing out your attempt at condescendence, you try more condescendence sprinkled with \"u mad bro?\". I'm not sur that's the angle you want to aim for here. You only end up looking rather puerile.",
"Please quote where I talk about financial situations? ",
"Look do you do reports? Do you make references with citations of the books or showing a graph like this one and then put a link to fucking amazon? \n\"hey if you want to know where i got this information, you have to buy the damn book\"\n\nEdit: going to finnish the discussion here because you sound like someone with issues. If you dont like reddit, there is an entire reality for you to have fun in. ",
"Well... I was talking about climate change.",
"Ah... I was thinking about climate change.",
"Genes? Hereditary? No way!\n\nIf there is greater genetic basis for intelligence than previously thought (0.7 to 0.8) than it is a virtual impossibility that there is no genetic component to difference in average intelligence between races.",
"I find it increasingly frustrating that many members of the GOP ignore science in favor of their own misguided personal beliefs. \n\nHowever, I do find it ironic that this sign is probably being held by someone that thinks there are 72 genders. ",
"Not all trans people have gender dysphoria",
"Which is why you can go to jail for calling a person with XY chromosomes \"he\" right?",
"But-but-but you weren't supposed to notice that! So yeah, we're trying to make the science fit their feelings, but it's still legit!",
"I have a decent grasp on what science is, but I'm an average person and I'm not going to pretend that I'm a scientist. I thik maybe you missed what I was getting at, but my issue with \"science\" isn't an issue with actual science. It's retarded redditors who heard of a study on some shitty blog somewhere going on about how anyone who disagrees with them doesn't understand science because they heard a thing somewhere.\n\nJust because you heard a thing that agrees with your viewpoint on some sketchy ass source which you never even bothered to check, doesn't mean that \"science\" is on your side. And when you pretend it is, you honestly just make science look like another retarded religion rather than an honest pursuit for knowledge.",
"I have no argument against this, so I'll just downvote it. Your hard science is nothing compared to psychology, which literally bases its results on the feelings of the subject.",
"You're just purposefully misunderstanding things now ",
"There we go. ",
"First time in a LONG time I have had an actually fun serious conversation on Reddit. thanks! (seriously. not being sarcastic)\n\nWell I was looking at it from a Philosophical point of view, not religious. I've been to a church twice in my life. \n\nIt is not laziness, it is just a difference in what is considered evidence. Most philosophers would not consider what you said as evidence. Many philosophers have tried to prove God, but no argument has been universally accepted or considered a truth / knowledge. \n\nBut here is where I am confused based on what you say:\n\nDefinitions of Faith:\n1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something. - nothing to do with evidence \n\n2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. - directly says no evidence \n\n3. a system of religious belief. - belief is \"an acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.\" synonyms - opinion, judgement, view, theory \n\n4. a strongly held belief or theory. - theory - \"a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.\"\n\nIf NO religion believes any of these definitions, then why aren't they updated. A couple are even directly referring to religion, its not an ambiguous definition. I am no expert on religion and won't pretend to be, but seems silly that all the definitions are wrong based on religious beliefs. Everyone of them is based on believing without evidence or believing an opinion.",
"Cool! I feel like an attack helicopter right now. :D",
"The similarity being that there is both a heavy social pressure in universities to support climate change and racedenialism. Just look at Charles Murray, banned from universities for saying something. No hate, no violence, just research.",
"How are you measuring the characteristics of a black hole \"explicitly?\"",
">Ok so they don't need to change\n\nExcept for the part where they're trying to seek treatment.\n\n>the world does.\n\n'qq why do people dislike it when im an asshole qq'",
"Except less then one in five whites is dumber than the average african american and only 3%!! of whites are dumber than the average Congolese man.",
"> I never said that boy.\n\nYou literally did.\n\n> 45% kill themselves post-op\n\nAnd your solution is to avoid them? I don't follow your logic, I'm sorry.",
"If the whole world hates you maybe it's for a good reason? Idk",
"Science can be proven in millions of ways depending on the subject, your bullshit divine story for tall scary kid can be not. But it proves on several occasions that the content of his \"sacred book\" is filled with stupidities ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯ ",
"Source?",
"The thing about conservatives is they adapt to the future inevitably. Every generation breeds a new position for the future reactionary. There is however a conspicuous purpose in this kind of aggression towards ideas that fundamentally seem concerned with matters of equality. Those changes elicit such offense for a reason.",
"Nah, you're just angry cause you lost. Lol, get over it and grow up. ",
"> Whether or not a god or gods exist is a personal belief, not an objective truth.\n\nFTFY ",
"It's absolutely not an argument, and if you don't like passive aggressiveness let me flat out say your insistence that this sign is some sort argument is idiotic. \n\nEven if the sign maker intended to make the argument you're imagining, they failed, because the sign itself is makes no argument, and there also isn't any actual reason to believe what you've imagined is the sign maker's intent. \n\n> You make the assumption that someone who understands science would support it, and then you try to lever it into the idea that if you are against science you must not understand it.\n\nThis is all nonsense. You have massively misapprehended my rather clearly written comments, which casts greater doubt on your assumptions about this sign maker.\n\n> Taking your interpretation of the intent of this sign would mean that it is simply a vapid statement.\n\nYou've demonstrated a complete failure to grasp how I interpreted the sign despite my, again, quite clear comments. You've also made no effort to explain why any of your assumptions would be true.\n\n> And that side is the opposite one of whatever side is doing the telling.\n\nWhat? \n\nSure, people agree with global warming from positions of ignorance and stupidity too, and this sign implicitly addresses them as well, because if an inability to grasp science isn't a valid argument against it, it follows that it isn't an argument *for* it either. Clearly, to have a valid argument against science, you need the ability to grasp it.\n\n> By the way, are we allowed to talk about climate change now? The last time I actually responded to one of your examples, you got upset.\n\nYou are confused.\n\n> The sign implies that if you don't believe what the sign holder believes, you must not believe in science, and you are therefore an idiot. That is the intent of the sign. People do not get up, take the time to make a sign, march for a day, probably shouting the whole time, to make some point about the finer aspects of logic\n\nThere's no basis for any of these assumptions about the sign maker's intent. I think this is called projection. I can tell you have a hang-up about people who you believe treat science like religious doctrine, but there's not a single reason to believe this sign was made by one of those people. \n\nI guess you really believe this statement is vapid, because you are truly struggling to categorise it. It's not a point about the finer aspects of logic either.\n\nI will also imagine the sort of person who might have made this sign: They would have wrote \"your unwillingness to grasp science isn't a valid argument against it\", and they sincerely want to point out or call attention to the lack of reason in the criticisms of the people they're pointing the sign at, but then they remembered that what these people say is vehemently stupid, bordering on belligerent, so perhaps it's not simply an unwillingness, thus they changed \"unwillingness\" to \"inability\". \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
"Two genders, two scoops, two terms...",
"That's not a response to criticisms of capitalism, particularly when the ones criticizing it have diverse answers with respect to how one should address the problem. Nice fallacious reply though.",
"So without being the exact people who released the information and did the research I'm not allowed to be aware of it?",
"> Sex is biological and there are three sexes (male, female, and intersex) while gender is social norms.\n\nTwo sexes + outlier deformities and other complications. Not 3, not 37, not 42.\n\nSex is also gender. Social norms and roles are just that, social norms and roles.\n\nWhat you're buying into is a fad of a pseudo-philosophy that wishes to *appropriate* the word gender, to re-purpose it for a variety of other things, to act as a catch-all for sexuality/orientation, social roles, and even personal style.....whatever is convenient for the person using the word.\n\nIn other words, the neo-definition itself is about as fluid as \"gender\" allegedly can be. So many people have come up with so many different personal uses that the word, other than it's classical meaning, loses all standards, becomes meaningless and generic, and we're left with ye olde usage, which is tantamount to sex, the male and female gender as it relates to reproduction, mammalian, reptilian, marsupial, and even a plethora of plants. That's where gender originated after all, it's roots/relationship to genes, geneology, genetics, etc.\n\nTo put it another way: This fad of a movement is appropriating scientific terms to try to gain the credibility of science via association(eg feed off the positive stigma), even as they debase and redefine the terms on whim, in order to construct a narrative that suits their fancy.\n\nThe kicker: I don't even have a beef against people with gender dysphoria(as long as it's a legitimate diagnosis), most people who suffer from it are on one side mentally and their physical expression doesn't match. They find it easier to change the physical body than the mind, so be it. Some people have problems, and they cope the best they can, what they want to do is their own concern as long as they get some counsel and people can verify that there's a high likelihood that it will actually help, it is kind of risky and permanent after all. Would hate to have someone transferred to the opposite gender to find out it was something in their diet or whatever throwing their hormones way out of whack, low T counts, or whatever else, not to mention a vast array of mental problems that can, on the surface, come across as a desire to change sexes.\n\nIt is not a cure-all even for legitimately diagnosed gendery dysphoria w/ depression though, which leads to a statement you made in another post:\n\n>It was about a 90% reduction in depression.\n\nThat's a stretch, a misleading one at that.\n\nOne could easily do a study about pissing people off by hitting them with a shovel and saying it's 90% effective in reducing depression. Or using massage techniques and healing crystals and aligning chakra's....or anything really....\n\nYou may want to read up on depression and placebo efficacy. There's a rather high bar when judging the efficacy of treatements, because the act of getting treatment alone, no matter what it is, can have a significant impact.\n\nErgo saying it, as a specific treatment, has a 90% reduction is not necessarily apt, at all. It's a statistic that people with confirmation bias leeched from the study. Which is why so many doctors word things the way they do when emotional advocates do not.\n\nFrom your source:\n\n>At entry into the study (baseline), the most common comorbidity in both groups was depression, with a 24.9% incidence in MTF subjects and 13.6% in FTM, according to Dr. Asscheman. **He noted, however, that the frequency of depression varied greatly among the study centers....Even after treatment, 26 (2.4%) of the MTF subjects and 7 (1.4%) of the FTM subjects still reported depression, leading Dr. Asscheman to tell the large audience, \"Sex-reassignment treatment does not cure depression.\"**\n\nWhile the other redditor may be mistaken, fueled by a misunderstanding or mis-recollection, there's still a prevalent fact:\n\nPost-transition suicide attempt rates are higher than those of the general population. Which is why your source has to make that caveat in that much bandied about medscape link. It may help some, but it's not a reliable treatment because there is still abnormal levels after the treatment, see:\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043071/\n\n>Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.\n\n",
"You just have to double down on religion on theses people. talk down to them in the same tone you would a child who has fucked up but wants to make it better kindness and compassion is key, about being them blind to the glory of God's creation and they are disrespecting his creation and therefore him and follow through with I'll pray for you to find his glory in his creation. \n\n",
"Why do you hate someone for being born with gender dysphoria trying to seek treatment?\n\n\nDo you hate people born blind or deaf for needing accommodations too?",
"Except 100% of scientists in East Asia agree on this fact. Your a science denier! IQ data is widely available. Or maybe you want to look at crime? The poorest white town in America has less crime than the richest black town.\n\nDo you want to know what correlates most strongly with murder rates in american cities? Is it poverty, unemployment, single motherhood? Nope, just the percentage of blacks living there.",
"Yeah, there’s shitty people all around the world, thanks for stating something I’ve known for quite a while now.",
"You're right, a lot of them do it to virtue signal etc.. Whatever the case, people who claim they are the opposite gender, simply aren't.",
"CLEANSE THE MUTANT, THE XENO, AND THE HERETIC!",
"Peer reviewed research is not a standard for truth. Sociology publications are notoriously biased.\n\nScientific consensus is never an argument. The census 50 years ago was on our side. It still is in Asia. Our universities have just been infested with marxist retards.",
"Check no further than the deluge of tween 2GENDER2SCOOPS memers brigading this thread for excellent examples.",
"So you're anti-truth? You don't like thinking for yourself and rather swallow bullshit that someone feeds you without questioning the source or the logic of it?",
"Evidence based thinking.",
"The thing is people aren't using a misunderstanding of Scientology to argue against it. They generally look at the actual crazy beliefs and say \"this is bullshit\". People use misrepresentations of science to argue against it all the time. And politicians use those misrepresentations to implement policy.",
"It is a logical consequence. \n\nBecause guess what? Black people have black kids. Dogs and wolves diverted after blacks and the rest of humanity. Do you actually believe pitbulls are just as nice as golden retrievers? Or that the herding instinct of border collies is just a social construct? ",
"I hope some lurkers read your comments. They're fact based and relevant to the conversation. If just one person is inspired to continue researching on their own, then it wasnt a waste of time. \n\nBut yeah, a few months ago, I started to think about if the energy put into this type of thread was worth the effort. I'm on the fence, but I've cut back on trying to talk logic with people who refuse to accept science or just facts. I spend that extra time upvoting /r/aww posts 😊",
"i wasnt the one that brought it up...",
"This very fine lady is likely also to scream at you if you imply the scientific reality of race.",
"Oh what a fucking martyr...",
"\"Science deniers\" what a silly label this is. Science at its essence is to question and debate what we understand about the world. To take a scientific issue as settled and anyone who creates a counter argument as a \"science denier\" is ironically a religious standpoint in itself. ",
"thanks for the screencap",
"Cutting of your dick is a step beyond mental issues.\n\nYes, I'd rather not watch.\n\nYou're quite dense if you don't grasp that it is not how I would like it to be but it is how it is. In a perfect world people would research how to treat transgenders, including not cutting off their dick. But since that has now become equivalent to hatespeech this is not how the world is. So in the real world I avoid them because they do not want a ride to the psychiatrist.",
"The abstract is free, and has the general info. I will try to find a free one when I'm on my computer later. ",
"Willful ignorance has never been so frustrating, you can't prioritize intolerance over facts. Regardless of your beliefs it's objectively wrong so it really doesn't matter what you think but harms the overall happiness be of society",
"Nazis wore \"God is with us\" motto emblazoned on their buckles. Totally non religious...",
"What exactly did I lose?",
"But it is cold outside, global warming is a myth! /s",
"It has human genetics, phenotype, etc etc",
"Source?",
"The meth and shitty beer hasn't worn off yet for most... Plus being on SSI disability with no reason to get up at any particular time prolly has a lot to do with it.\n\nEdit: spaces",
"Ok",
"The idiot Trump propaganda patrol are making their rounds.",
"As if she has even looked at the science for two seconds.... I did, that's when I discovered that fact that global warming is bs, alarmism. Also, the fact that the carbon trading market exist in Chicago and trades carbon credits to the tune of 80$ billion of profit a year. Al Gore is a rich man because of this. Don't believe me? Look it up. ",
"You're a good person. I can tell.",
"I think you may be right. ",
"https://imgur.com/a/J6qRd",
"Yeah you guys are right, wasn’t thinking when I wrote that post.",
"Naw I’m being serious, the only people who use the term “scientists” are those who aren’t scientists. If you wanna seem like you support science, name the damn field at the very least. If you’re going to blindly use facts to support your arguments, at least use the field. ",
"I'm sorry but are you arguing that a child raping culture is equal morally to Western Cultures? \n\nAlso, if not liking a pedophile tribe is wrong, I dont want to be right.",
"False. It's proven that Australia is not a neutron star. Therefore 'Australia is a neutron star' is not a scientific fact.",
"\"Hey, See, New York is present in the Spiderman Comics. You elitists can't simply match events and people, and see that Spiderman is in fact real!\"\n\nYa'll really need to tone down the arrogance with this type of weak reasoning. ",
"Good arguement my dude. I don't like kids being abused. Is there something wrong with that?",
"We can measure the absorption of light by CO2 and through that we can infer it will slow down the rate at which energy is emitted to space. Therefore more CO2 more energy.\n\nWe also know that when you burn fossil fuels you create CO2 we can also can also measure how much CO2 we create. \n\nCombining the two we can determine the earth is gaining energy. This energy will express it self as increase temperature, melting ice , expanding stuff ect. \n\nHow this energy is exactly expressed is where the model are not 100% accurate due to topic being stupidly complicated. \n\nThe link is clear and defined showing there is \n1 man made CO2 and a lot of it, \n\n2 more CO2 leads to more energy,\n\n3 which expresses it self as increase of temperature among a few things.\n\n The link between and proscess in 1 and two is so rock solid if you tried to dispute it you are going to be though to be insane or uneducated. Declaring them false implies not believing hot things glow, micro waves ovens and burning things doesn't produce CO2.\n\nThe link between 2-3 is also just as solid but is just increadly maths heavy.",
"Yeah, I've been entrenched in the bullshit for awhile. I started my transition a year back and a lot of these psychiatrists are letting politics guide their research and ideals rather than empirical research. Theres two genders, and thats it. Intersex is a miniscule biological outlier, and would be dishonest to claim as a third gender.",
"TC; DR.\n\nToo Crazy; Didn't Read.",
"Loving the indoctrination-style implication that questioning science is an indication of low intelligence. ",
"What you are doing is called Dog Whistle Politics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics\n\nMainly using and twisting basic facts as a cover for deep rooted racism.\n\n",
"With regards to science, I think most people including scientists take your approach. People think that there's a huge consensus of scientists that are peer reviewing studies, but I think people dramatically overestimate how many eyes are looking at these studies in depth compared to how much faith they they are placing in those beliefs.",
"Those are some fancy buzzwords you used. I haven’t mention race once so why do you generalize everyone you don’t agree with as a racist and bigot. And also no they aren’t lol",
"I just mean that you talk so condescendingly down to others, like you are a better person because of your beliefs and not because of your character",
"No, you're wrong. I've been in three seperate support groups during my transition to help folks, and two major issues come up.\n\nA) suicide and depression\n\nB) family issues that cause homelessness and the above.\n\nTrans people kill themselves at a much, much higher rate than the average and it is a serious issue in the community. It is disenginous to claim its not as big of an issue that should be hyper focused on when discussing trans issues. To downplay it at all is disgusting.",
"It’s not there body that is different, it is their mind. And I don’t hate them, I want to help get them the treatment they need ",
"I don't like pedophiles regardless of their color or creed. If a tribe is white and rapes kids, its disgusting. I can criticize both the catholics and papa new guinea tribe for the same shit my dude. Stop defending pedophiles because you think all cultures are equal, because they arent.",
"Using the word believe is where the problem starts. Climate change, or any other evidence based scientific phenomenon isn't the fucking Easter bunny. You get to choose to believe in fairy tales, but not science. So no, I don't \"believe\" in climate change, because it's not a choice. I have read the opinions of other, more knowledgeable experts and scientists who have used research, science, and data to conclude that man is influencing a change in the climate of earth. You are welcome to challenge my understanding by bringing forth evidence to the contrary, but if it is not based in sound science, then it is meaningless dribble.",
"https://imgur.com/a/lhLFH",
"> There is no evidence to support your argument.\n\nDid I miss something and we definitively proved the existence of a god or gods was impossible?\n\nOr are you just talking out of your ass?",
"We kind of can't it is one of their properties. The only thing they output is gravity and Hawkins radiation.\n\nThe gravity cause by them could just be caused by some unknown process the bends spacetime with out any mass. I\n\nIt is extremely unlikely though but at this stage we have observed there is a massive object in a spot, we can't measure any photons from it, an upper bound for its density and a few other things. We infer that it is a black hole. Beacuse the maths works to match the observations and that's it.",
"I’m studying to become an Aerospace engineer, my sister is a physics major, and my father has a Doctorate in physics. I understand many principles of science though I only see it as a means to an end, not a broad idea with which to beat other people over the head that don’t agree with you. ",
"Says the people arguing the existence of 91 genders, supporting the killing of babies after 20 weeks of pregnancy claiming they aren't lives, ignoring factual IQ differences between races, and ignoring a wealth of data and statistics on other issues that don't fit their own mold of reality. ",
"Thanks for assuming the time zone you BIGOT",
"Oh look, another smoothbrain attempting to validate their racism through shitty science. Here's some great sources explaining why you're wrong and a fucking racist:\n\nhttps://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/\n\nhttp://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2017/science-genetics-reshaping-race-debate-21st-century/\n\nhttp://physanth.org/about/position-statements/biological-aspects-race/",
"There is no objective data that exists that supports man-made climate change. This has been an debate since the seventies and issues has taken various names and shifts goal posts every time. Too hot, global warming. Too cold, global warming. Convenient. People need to realize how much money is made out of this farce and realize that this is simply another industry with benefactors on both sides profiting from a gullible public.",
"Intolerance over facts? In what way? If you're the one claiming that basic genetics is somehow now incorrect and your opinions and feelings replace them, then there's no hope for you.\n\n\"Regardless of your beliefs\", Ironic because genetics and other related human sciences is one of the few things people across all beliefs can agree on. It's people like you who refuse facts and instead substitute it with delusions. ",
"Is this something at the \"gender is a social construct\" \"race is a social construct\" idiots?",
"TC; DR.\n\nToo Crazy; Didn't Read.",
"Well, I don’t claim to have all the answers. I also, can’t claim my religion has all the answers. \n\nBut despite the Reddit hivemind, there have been many benefits brought about by some religions that outweigh the negatives. \n\nAnd I’d say my faith is pretty loose. I’m not a “Holy roller” But if you just look at all the chemistry, physics, genetics, art and biology that had to come together to form our planet and humans, it’s really hard to believe it’s all just lucky accidents. \n\nAnd if it is? Well my believing in a “force” that created it all really isn’t hurting anyone is it? And because of that belief, if it tells me to help other people, no matter how small the effort isn’t that a good thing? ",
"Okay now this is just outright KKK racism. ",
"Why is his nose a dick?",
"Where did you get your PHD? ",
"I know! I have no idea how calculators work, I just know they are so much more right than I am. ",
"I've seen that study before...and it's built on an entirely false premise. It's comparing suicide rate of post op transgenders to the general population, which is asinine. The proper study would be to compare them to pre op transgenders.\n\nBasically it's saying that if the post op suicide rate doesn't match the general population then post op is not a good treatment. Yes, it is higher than the general population, but it is still greatly reduced from pre op transgenders.",
"Like I said, it's not science that their are more than 2 genders. You can make up whatever you want and be whoever but the left is acting like you are a caveman if you don't accept it as science that there can be unlimited genders and in Canada you can be fined which means you can go to jail if you misgender someone which is absurd. I completely understand the situation I'm sorry that you just disagree with what I'm saying but I know what I'm taking about. it's not hard to understand some people are mentally unstable and they think that switching genders will help, in some cases it does and in some it makes things worse. And the left definitely pushes this stuff on kids which is pretty fucked up, I didn't know what a vagina was until like 6 or 7 th grade but now we are teaching preschoolers that you can be whatever you feel like that day which will confuse that kid forever, it's a huge disservice to those kids to confuse them with this stuff. ",
"Thanks for proving my point :)",
"So you’re going to fault them for that? Classy. Real classy. You’re ridiculous ",
"You don't need any personal qualifications to criticize theories, you just need to be correct and meet the ciriteria I outlined above. ",
"57% is a widely misleading number but the US still spends a higher proportion of it's GDP on military affairs compared to other superpowers",
"Explain what about India? Did you miss the part where I said:\n\n>I'm not disputing that IQ, genetics and biology differ between races.",
"Evolution is a significantly better theory than creationism, for the reasons you outlined. They're both theories. ",
"https://imgur.com/a/8XLCs",
"The word is splitting into two meanings, theres Science as you know and understand it, the constantly falsifiable, predictive, and reproducable method of understanding the universe around us. Then there is the science she speaks of. This is a new method of science which is preaching that people have stated \"science\" when in reality its a misinterpretation or misunderstanding of data.",
"Then change the implication. ",
"You definitely decide to go trans or gay. Sorry dude but things are learned, behaviors are learned, which means something is learned about the life they are presently living that makes them choose to seek another path. I don't think people are born gay, I think experiences in their life have impacts on them that change their likes and preferences, which there is nothing wrong with. It's funny how just saying that people have a choice to become gay or trans makes you think I'm ignorant, you don't know me I could be bi ",
"https://i.imgur.com/5rl9HQT.png",
"2 sexes and 2 genders, different but only 2.",
"The correct answer is: Science\n\n\nYou're welcome. ",
"I'm an anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-Vaxxer",
"They're referred to seperatley and pair with the sex 99.9% of the time except when theres a mutation.",
"Fancy? Lol you need to get out more.",
"Nobody is born with gender euphoria lol",
"Never let anyone tell you that reddit doesn't have a healthy population of bigots. ",
"Wait, is this about global warming or transgenderism?",
"Ah neat another person with the inability to grasp the difference between \"sex\" and \"gender\"",
"Science is a liar... sometimes!",
"muh hivemind",
"> It's comparing suicide rate of post op transgenders to the general population, which is asinine.\n\nNo, it's not. General population is the normative base-line. This is what is known as a control. This is how science is done.\n\nSuicide rates or depression rates that are still higher means there are issues to be addressed. It demonstrates that there is still help that these people could get.\n\nBut because of some emotional social reason, you want to deprive them of that?\n\nReduced? Yeah, it does \"some\" good. Does it do enough? No.\n\nThat's why the recommendation is to continue counsel and consider further medication, *because these people are still suffering.* Closing the book and trying to make it look like a total closed case is a detriment to people who are still suffering.\n\nLet me re-iterate that in another way:\n\n#These people are still suffering. Arguing against that is to write them off. To assert \"good enough\" could, if you get your way, deprive these people of further treatment.\n\nThat's what's so fucked up about so much of the left that is allegedly sympathetic to the relevant LGBT causes. In this case, it's very relative to the \"It's not a mental illness!\" argument, which is a real danger to people's access to treatment should that become a popularly held opinion. You re-classify people as being perfectly normal and healthy, and insurance pay-outs dry up. People shift focus away from other possible solutions because they're now no longer needed.\n\nAll because *you* don't want people to think badly of others and induce shame. So wrapped up in your desires to re-organize this social construct, you stand to potentially cause more suffering, in the very group you are allegedly trying to defend here.\n\nTsk tsk tsk.",
"Answer the question.\n\nWhy do you hate someone for having a medical condition and seeking treatment?",
"Biology 101, try it sometime, idiot.",
">Money is also meaningless, and countries and languages can change as well.\n\nIs that really your argument? If you have no money, you can't afford housing, food, comfort or safety and you will die. Money is one of the most important thing in this world. It's a social construct, but a powerful one. And just because things can change, just like countries and languages, doesn't mean that they aren't real.\n\nMoney, countries, languages and gender are all social construct, and they are also all very much *real* and have *real consequences*.",
"The problem isn't *just* that they don't understand it. There are lots of things I don't understand, and that's OK. The problem is that they don't understand yet still feel their uneducated opinion should trump decades of research and expert conclusion. \n\nPeople need to learn it's OK to say, \"I don't know enough about that to assert an opinion\". Sadly more and more people seem to not understand the difference between fact and opinion. Just because you *think* something doesn't make it valid. ",
"Im sorry but are you actually that ignorant to the point you will ignore science?",
"And surprising nobody whatsoever, you post a lot in guns subreddits.\n\nYou alt-reichers are so predictable.",
"My comment was in context to a lot of anti science crap flowing all around and the ignorance of science. \nSure flat earthers are trolls but calling Neil drGrasse Tyson a shit scientist when he says climate change is real is way beyond that. \nI did go check out a website about global warming, it's very hard to reject all the papers. I can't believe \"anti climate change\" people can behave that way. They're making up bullshit to keep it flowing around. ",
"You call science sad, odd.\n\n\nI know peer review is used in all fields, duh.\n\n\nYou found 1 iffy study out of 30-40, good job lol.",
"So says a fan of the_donald.\n\nHI-larious.",
"Here's a bit scientific consensus to prove otherwise.\n\nhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754583/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21618223 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11826131 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15724806 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16140461 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16870186 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17765230 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18056697 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18962445 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20562024 http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/8/1900.abstract http://www.eje-online.org/content/155/suppl_1/S107 http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v378/n6552/abs/378068a0.html http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.5.6564 A short video explanation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOY3QH_jOtE#t=1h23m52s Scientific consensus http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22051008 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22105293 http://www.psychiatry.org/File%20Library/Advocacy%20and%20Newsroom/Position%20Statements/ps2012_TransgenderCare.pdf http://www.gires.org.uk/assets/Medpro-Assets/AMA122.pdf http://www.wpath.org/site_page.cfm?pk_association_webpage_menu=1352&pk_association_webpage=3947 http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/about-ama/our-people/member-groups-sections/glbt-advisory-committee/glbt-resources/lgbt-health-resources.page http://www.apa.org/about/policy/transgender.aspx\n\nTrans is not by definition a mental disorder. One could make the argument that gender dysphoria is, but the consensus is that the best way to treat gender dysphoria is to transition.\n\nAnd there is a stark difference between somebody thinking they are an imaginary figure and somebody who identifies as the opposite gender\n\n\nYou know how hoomsexual were considered mentally ill in the past? Dont treat trans people like that when you'll regret it and seem like an asshole",
"This is begging the question. You assume the conclusion that black people are inferior, and you frame your argument to support that point.\n\nIf you really want an answer, I have to ask you a couple questions first:\n\n1. Who qualifies as black?\n\n2. What precisely is your definition of genius?",
"Are you really going to argue semantics? The point is that there are only two genders. ",
"This is an example of a logical fallacy called false equivalency. On one hand you have almost all working, conducting research climate scientists saying that there is no question human activities cause global climate change. On the other hand your biochemistry teacher. The expertise on the subject is not equivalent. Validity of arguments of those two sides is not equivalent. ",
"Judge me all you want. If you want to know the truth, it's out there. Look up the data yourself, I doubt you'll believe me.",
"That's not anti-science, that's just the dregs of society that will be anti-anything. Welcome to the internet. When you have anonymous entities, there will always be people hating on something, just to see what happens and because they have nothing better to do. You can't get caught up with such a small % of people. ",
"You? No. Proveable science, yes. ",
"Where did I say I hate someone? I'm just pointing out that if something is taboo the world over there's usually a good reason.",
"Avoiding the question and forgetting a comment you just made. Hmm\n\n>https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pdblv/argument_from_ignorance/dsh7q99/\n\nNow answer the question. Why do you hate someone for having a medical condition and seeking treatment?",
"Ohhh only realised now that you are only including America! Well thats a proper reference! Also looks kinda outdated... But thanks! ",
">You call science sad, odd.\n\nAmazing, the very first sentence of your reply is just you twisting my words. I will block you after I hit save.\n\n>You found 1 iffy study out of 30-40, good job lol.\n\nThe very first thing I clicked on I found iffy. I then clicked around some more and he straight up lies about many of them. Whatever the case goodbye now. ",
"I'm not arguing semantics. The scientific consensus is that sex and gender are different things.",
"National television isn’t your best option. But I invite you to do some research. Before net neutrality is taken lol. The thing is, science is almost always based on an assumption. That’s actually part of the scientific method. There are plenty of things that we take as truth but in fact was never proven by science. Gravity is one(Ik, that sounds crazy but look it up I’m not kidding), black holes are another(there’s no possible way for us to know what goes on them, a lot of what we know about them actually stems from what Einstein theorized), the whole market around hydration, even the workings of electricity as well. Before you blast me for what I’ve said, I ask that you research it first. And don’t search like “all evidence that says this guy on reddit is wrong”, search under the assumption that I’m right so use phrases like “things we take as truth but haven’t been proven yet” or some shit like that. I only say that bc if you only follow one side then you’re completely biased. But ok, the reason I brought that all up is bc science reaches far into many categories and such(obviously). So you can google the science behind God as well. How fractals help show His existence, the law of biogenesis, you can look at DNA and it’s support for the existence of God. These are a couple starting points, if you look into them let me know. Then we could debate it. And before anything, I want you to know I do respect your views and opinions but I’d gladly try and debate this",
">General population is the normative base-line. This is what is known as a control. This is how science is done.\n\nSorry to break it to you, but that's not how science is done. A control group is when both groups are the exact same minus one variable. That would be like looking at a cancer treatment and comparing the post survival rate to the general population. It makes no fucking sense.\n\nA sound experiment would be:\n\n**Experiment group**: Transgenders that go through gender reassignment surgery\n\n**Control group:** Transgenders that do not go through gender reassignment surgery\n\nA control group of the general population is just bad science. \n\nGoing back to cancer treatment, they aren't 100% successful. According to your logic we should be abandoning all treatments that aren't 100% successful. ",
"i never made a value judgement and called black ppl inferior; you assumed that. im not even fully white and i can agree that there are most white geniuses than black\n\nfor your two points, construe them as liberally as possible to produce the greatest number of black geniuses if you want",
"“Modern activism”.\n\nWhat did we have before, and when? In what way was it better than Modern Activism?",
"It just feelsbadman. ",
"Careful with open flames around that strawman\n",
"\"A fan\", incrediblely loose association that doesn't lend to your argument at all. I have found a retard with a keyboard.",
"I take jabs at Trump because he is a an incompetent president as well as a self-obsessed, narcissistic, egomaniacal, psychopathic moron. I don't even know what Reddit karma is. ",
"Nice argument strategy. Argue that the source is lying with no proof. Good day",
"I may have phrased this wrong. More on that later.\n\nI know a nuclear physicist who is very skeptical of the consensus opinions on climate change. Known him since high-school, he's wicked smart and briefly worked with Stephen Hawking. \n\nFreeman Dyson would be another example. \n\nThe dissent isn't in the basic premise rather than in the current modelling of the problem and more importantly I think, in the measures that are being proposed to solve said problem.\n\nAlso, a scientific background really helps put the current climate models as well as their predictive power (or lack thereof) into perspective. ",
"Knowing experts have researched the evidence and support a common theory is not knowing nothing about something. In fact unless you invent complete unknowns \"X is the cause of Y not Z\" or it's so incredibly esoteric you've never heard anything about it then it's practically impossible to know *nothing* about something. ",
"You appear to think that what science says depends on your opinion, but it really doesn't.\n\nSomeone else posted the scientific opinion. \n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pdblv/argument_from_ignorance/dsgm6ev/\n\nSo, there you got it. Science says :\n\n>. Gender identity is defined as a person’s deeply felt, inherent sense of being a girl, woman, or female; a boy, a man, or male; a blend of male or female; or an alternative gender (Bethea & McCollum, 2013; Institute of Medicine [IOM], 2011). \n\nYou can disagree with that sure. But that doesn't mean that science agrees with you. It doesn't mean that there's a big left wing conspiracy. It simply means that you're denying the scientific opinion.",
"Also who knows, maybe the Earth actually is flat, and we just aren't evolved enough to have a wide enough perspective to perceive it yet. ",
"No, you're definitely arguing semantics. No one is talking about whether sex and gender are different things (which by the way, even if they were, gender is derivative on sex). What you keep missing is that there are only two genders, which is the entire point of the conversation. ",
"Money is literally paper. It isn't backed by gold. The government just says \"this is a piece of paper, trade it.\"",
"You continue to misunderstand. \n\nI'm not claiming that suicide is not a significant issue. I'm pointing out that the statement :\n\n>\"dramatic increase in suicides among people who decide to go trans\"\n\nis wrong. This statement is based on studies that compare post-op transgenders with the normal population background. A proper comparison would need to be between post and pre-operation transgenders, because both population groups have elevated suicide rates.",
">Appealing to authority is valid when the authority is actually a legitimate (debatable) authority on the facts of the argument. [-source](https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/21/Appeal-to-Authority)\n\nIt is appealing to authority, but it's *not* a fallacy as you claimed when the person can legitimately be deemed an authority on the subject. ",
"No, I'm not. Saying there are two genders because there are two sexes is fallacious reasoning.",
"Lol. You make no sense at all",
"Uhm, yeah? You are kinda making my argument for me? Money is a social construct - just a piece of paper that we give value to. That doesn't mean that it's not real or not important. Because it is.",
"Lmao okay my dude. Not sure how you got racism out of \"i dont like pedophiles\" but god bless and have a blessed day.",
"> I know a nuclear physicist who is very skeptical of the consensus opinions on climate change. \n\nSo what? He's not an expert in climate science and being a scientist in a totally unrelated field is not authoritative. This is actually something I've seen many scientists comment on actually, the issue that arises where very smart and knowledgeable experts in _**ONE**_ field stray into ones they have no business speaking with authority.\n\nWho is an expert on climate science isn't anymore a nuclear physicist than Jane from marketing who linked some garbage on facebook. Being one makes one far more likely to be able to parse scientific data but still that doesn't make you an expert.\n\nAlso there's nothing stopping scientists from being kooky and politically biased or somehow in some other way compromised. There's been scientific studies done I'm pretty sure into how high IQ has almost no bearing on how susceptible to bias people can be.",
"I really enjoyed this write up. I am one of the \"deniers\" and have put in many many hours studying the science to support my argument. Read all the IPCC reports and have checked the data. When I argue with people and get the classic \"you're not a scientist\" it's infuriating. I find often no one wants to have the scientific discussion and it immediately becomes an emotional \"you're an idiot\" argument even after I've stated clear researched opinions. Just thought your post was really honest and wish others had the same perspective so that we can get proper dialogue about the debate instead of defaulting to name calling (a strategy that is plaguing modern discourse).",
"https://i.imgur.com/NJbRqD0.png",
"Changing the implication is no different to trying to get an ignorant person to recognize their lack of understanding in a more complicated matter. In either case its self imposed and militantly defended.\n\nYour assertion is in simple truth untrue, they are not right whatsoever, but it sounds punchy and gets some good upvotes cause it appeals to the fair play mentality of a lot of people on reddit even though they know nothing about it either.",
">It is a logical consequence.\n\nNope.\n\nThe rest of your comment is random gibbering. I understand English is not your first language, but your aren't making any points relevant to our current discussion. ",
"> Does this apply to Transgenders? \n\nNo, because that doesn't push the agenda.",
"So you're in a field of science but still talk bullshit on reddit. Good to know that talking unrelated shit extends to those with a scientific background.",
">That's not being \"smarter\" than the guy who doesn't believe in it.\n\nTrusting in well researched, expert opinion may not make one smarter, but it sure as fuck will make one right a hell of a lot more than the idiots getting their beliefs from talk radio hosts and random Facebook memes. And considering the fact we have the ability to influence our future in really important ways, being right as much as possible is really important. \n\nI don't think believing in expert opinion makes me somehow smarter. But believing random, non fact-checked things definitely makes one dumber. ",
"Did you link the right comment? Perhaps you should just copy/paste it so I can see what your panties are in a bunch about.",
"/u/The_G_O_D - \"If the whole world hates you maybe it's for a good reason? Idk\"\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pdblv/argument_from_ignorance/dsh7q99/\n\nIs clicking a link that difficult or are you just a troll account?\n\nWhy do you hate someone for having a medical condition and seeking treatment?\n\ninb4 'i never said that'",
"Unless you're a scientist and it's your field, you will always be arguing from ignorance. As well, most of our knowledge of science is filtered through spokesmen who have their own agenda. That is no reason not to discuss the issue, as scientists have been so often manifestly wrong. ",
"lmao are why pro trans people so fragile?",
"What does morality have to do with anything? Our cultures do endlessly immoral things in other ways with our gender binary intact as well. Your cultural chauvinism is pure red herring and about creating an emotional plea.\n\nLiking stuff has nothing to do with this. Facts and truth aren't about approval or moral superiority.",
"Thats why I specified non-military",
"What ever made you think that was my argument? There are only two genders because every gender beyond male and female is made-up bullshit. Everyone who \"identifies\" as a gender outside the binary wants to feel special and unique, when in fact they're as boring and dull as everyone else. Wishful thinking does not change reality. \n\nLet me give some examples. \"Androgyne\" is a fancy way of saying \"David Bowie\" or \"crossdresser\". \"Demiboy\", \"demigirl\" are just masculine girls and feminine guys. \"Genderfluid\" can either mean \"dissociative identity disorder\" or \"bodily fluids\". The list goes on. ",
"Nothing is logical, it's all emotional.",
"It's not his fault that he doesn't want to engage in your gish gallop.",
">Peer reviewed research is not a standard for truth.\n\nYes, it is. Peer reviewed research is inductive truth with consensus. It just so happens science is not a religious subject and allows for change when new better data is found.\n\n>The census 50 years ago was on **our side**.\n\nOh...I would refer you to the OP's pic.",
"So as long as you are holding that sign, you don't be prepared to defend your position? \n",
"It doesn’t make any sense to me. A man pretending to be a woman and vice versa. Some don’t identify as either. I’m only 19 but I have a pretty good understanding of Science so this is a little hard to digest. Like Shapiro said, it seems like a mental issue that we’re not dealing with in the right way. I’ll be happy to provide an example if interested, let me know. Don’t get me wrong, I’m open to discussion because I’ve learnt only one side of the story! Change my mind if you can ...",
">rationalwiki \n\nI'm sure this will be unbiased and focused solely on facts.\n\n>Ben-durr \n\nOof.\n\n>Defending \"white privilege\" and \"toxic masculinity\"\n\nThe idea that you think you're in a position to be criticizing other people's intelligence while citing drivel like this is as hilarious as it is pathetic.",
">According to your logic we should be abandoning all treatments that aren't 100% successful.\n\nDishonest bullshit.\n\nI very clearly outright state that I'm fine with transitioning as long as it's determined to be the best chances for that person.\n\nCan you not read? Are you here only to **take** offense and create straw men that you can knock down to sate your own ego?\n\nSee also:\n\nControl group - I picked the wrong term, my mistake.\n\nThe goal is to make as many people as content as possible, so the goal is always the complete resolution of all problems. There must always be a comparison to a baseline that doesn't have such afflictions, gender dysphoria coupled with the most common co-morbidity which is depression. That baseline, that goal, *is* the general populace.\n\nWhat you lack is understanding of scope/perspective. You're looking at one isolated treatment for the conditions, but trying to paint it as an ultimate solution with higher success rates than it actually has. It doesn't broach the topic of people with gender dysphoria that aren't helped, you're talking about a sub-symptom or co-morbidity . You can't see the forrest for the trees.\n\nThere needs to be other treatment and counsel to get as close to normalcy, that baseline of the general population, as possible...for the maximum amount of patients as possible.\n\nTransitioning can be beneficial, but it is not the be-all end-all you're trying to paint it as with that misleading and forced statistic.\n\nThe whole point to doing *anything* is to help these people as much as possible, that's the ultimate goal. Not stop at this magically 90% effective stat you leeched out of a study......\n\nI cite stuff from your source itself as well as other supporting studies and you dismiss them out of hand....but I'm the anti-science one.../faceplam",
"Yeah I said \"the world\". I am not the world last I checked.",
">i never made a value judgement and called black ppl inferior\n\nThen what is your point? I don't dispute that there are differences between races. I'm interested in what you think caused that, and what the implications are.\n\n>for your two points, construe them as liberally as possible to produce the greatest number of black geniuses if you want\n\nNot good enough. Are you including artistic geniuses? If so, I can name dozens off the top of my head from the last 100 years alone. Do you consider North Africans black? If so, Islamic civilization is responsible for massive scientific advancement during Europe's dark ages",
"called it.\n\nShould have expected you were a coward troll from the get go. (Gosh why is that *always* the case for you right wingers online?)\n\nHope your day is as pleasant as you. Feel free to reply again for the last word if you're *that* insecure though.",
"You said that only the scientists, the elite of their day, could understand these things, and that naturally the regular masses were too ignorant to process science. \n\nThe truth is that the findings of scientists - along with most other kinds of news - were not publicly available due to the technological and societal limitations of the day. They were received only by royalty and the rest of the elite, who at the time were largely highly educated religious leaders. This is where charges of heresy came from. If the regular folks were able to get ahold of scientific findings, it would have been a whole different story.",
"Clop clopclopclop clopclopclop clopclopclop clopclop",
"I don't think they are redefining words to fit their political stances. Rather, they have a political stance _to_redefine words because they think so and so is true. If they believe sex/gender misalignment is possible and want to support those who may be subject to it, then inevitably they have to make a distinction between the two terms, unless they would rather make up a whole new word. Seems like the definition of sex and gender has been on the line since 1970's, though, so it makes sense why they took this route instead.",
"Unless you're including those who've already transitioned, that's completely nonsensical. Gender isn't real, and the brain isn't a gendered organ. Sure there are *statistical* average differences - but the statistical outliers flat out prove they have no causality. \n\nNot only that, but to argue differently is little different than a modern take on phrenology. Additionally dangerous, because the moment we pretend men and women have different brains is the moment we shoot right back to 1950's sexism and women who can't math and science, and have no place but home making babies. Or less hyperbolistic, are simply not ideal employees in STEM fields and can be rightfully discriminated against for their statistically lesser abilities. \n\nWhich boils down to trans being just a form of body dysmorphia - treatable through transition perhaps, but if one isn't dysphoric, they aren't a victim of dysmorphia, and can't be trans. \n\nUnless of course, one thinks wearing a dress and high heels makes one a woman while sports and beer or whatever require being gendered \"him.\"",
"Sure, but I view child rape as one of the most immoral things a person can do. Not all cultures are equal, which is blatantly obvious when you look at a map of gay rights across the world. Western values reign supreme in terms of human freedom, happiness, and overall quality of life. Science is a part of a society's culture, and we know scientifically that drinking man cum does not empower young boys with manhood. These thoughts are barbaric and should be shunned. There is no reason to respect or honor that culture.",
"It also says that it's a social construct so no again this is not based on any science other than that there are people who want to change their gender and are seeking scientific facts to back up their social construct to make themselves seem sane. Like I said you can pretend to be whoever you want, I do not care, if it helps them out, good. But you are not born a girl in a boys body, you are a boy who is mentally unstable due to whatever outside input that this person has experienced in their life which has caused them to seek other sources of happiness. I'm sorry dude but changing your gender has no scientific basis behind it. ",
">>Your inability to grasp Sonic\n\n> to be fair, not even Sonic Team seems capable of this. \n\nAlso to be fair, it took a team of dedicated fans to create sonic mania and that is considered the best sonic game since the sega genesis versions. ",
"Usually if you are using facts it's not blind. Also if you really want to be a semantic asshole you should name the exact person who worked on the specific study you are using in your arguments, that is, if you are like, really smart.",
"Nothing lol. That it. There doesnt have to be a value judgement. Like i said, Im not white. Im mestizo. I dislike ppl claiming that there is no divergent evolution in humans that occurred and that somehow evolution stopped working on us. Its patently false and reeks of political correctness.\n\nThe point of my wording is that Europe has produced more contributions to most fields, if not all, than most of the world combined. That is all. I have no stake in this.\n\nIf you want to consider North Africans black go ahead; I think they would be mixed like me.",
"But the same criticism has to apply to those scientists withing the field as well. They can just as easily be subject to political bias and are actually more susceptible to financial bias. \n\nFurthermore, you're getting pretty close to a pure appeal to authority by dismissing the opinions of anybody, even people with otherwise good credentials, who's not an acknowledged expert in the field. \n\nFor a long time, those skeptical of religious ideas would be faced with the same rebuttal: how dare they question the clergy who were clearly the experts on theological questions when they themselves hadn't dedicated their lives to the study of religion?\n\n",
"Canadian Law",
"1. I’ve had a reddit account for over a year now and have only written comments on two different occasions. I don’t think that qualifies me as any kind of “shit talker.”\n2. My comment was far from talking shit or spewing bullshit on the internet I simply said these people are using science as soon kind of ideology as opposed to the problem solving process it actually is then corrected your assumption about me.\n3. Of course talking shit can extend to scientists they are human as well, not the gods these people seem to elevate them to in their minds and that’s part of my point.\n",
">The study you racists\n\n",
"They grow breasts or facial hair, and that’s just the beginning. Here’s a news story about a boy who transitioned at 12 but changed his mind a few years later. But it’s too late. He already missed male puberty - his growth is stunted and his voice is high and shrill. He even has grown a pair of breasts. Don’t Google “detransitioning children” if you’re not ready to start crying. It’s extremely sad and dark, especially since studies show that 80% of kids change their mind after starting the transition (80 is an average between studies, some show slightly more and some slightly less).\n\nHere’s the story about the boy, just to give you a sense of what we are talking about:\nhttp://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/12-year-old-boy-trans-female-change-mind-years-later-patrick-mitchell-australia-oestrogen-hormones-a7933741.html",
"lolwut",
"Actually you do. Philosophy and theology have incredible reasoning/logic. ",
"Just cancer from the thimerosal. ",
">People conflate knowing random science facts with an understanding of the scientific method. The latter is what is lacking in a lot of people. Science means making a hypothesis, do an experiment, collecting the most accurate data you can, and re evaluating the hypothesis against the data, until you come up with a ~~hypothesis~~ **theory** that matches the data. The important thing is your ability to reject a ~~theory~~ **hypothesis** that conflicts with the data. You're doing more actual science when you try to troubleshoot why your car won't start than if you post a bunch of I Fucking Love Science memes.\n\nSorry, I couldn't help my science. I mean self.",
"> Cutting of your dick is a step beyond mental issues.\n\nAccording to your medical and psychological expertise, I'm guessing?\n\n> Yes, I'd rather not watch.\n\nNo one is asking you to watch.\n\n> In a perfect world people would research how to treat transgenders, including not cutting off their dick.\n\nIn a perfect world we would not have people like you whose solution for mental illness is neglect and disgust.\n\n> So in the real world I avoid them because they do not want a ride to the psychiatrist.\n\nHave you tried going to a psychiatrist for your bigotry? If not, then you're a hypocrite.",
"Stand back! Im doing SCIENCE😎",
"> your insistence that this sign is some sort argument is idiotic\n\nI did not read further than this. Trading passive aggressiveness for open belligerence is not what I had in mind. I'm not going to get drawn into an emotion-filled discussion with you. Goodbye.",
"Yes, I have arrived! Here I am to speak truth and dispel misconceptions!",
"> I’ve had a reddit account for over a year now and have only written comments on two different occasions. I don’t think that qualifies me as any kind of “shit talker.”\n\nThe frequency of shit talk has little to do with it being shit talk. I don't care about your reputation. Good people can talk shit seldomly too you know.\n\n>My comment was far from talking shit or spewing bullshit on the internet I simply said these people are using science as soon kind of ideology as opposed to the problem solving process it actually is then corrected your assumption about me.\n\nExcept that's an unprovoked and unsubstantiated comment given this OP, its also something often spoken by reactionaries so be aware of what company you keep dropping these gems out of context.\n\n>Of course talking shit can extend to scientists they are human as well, not the gods these people seem to elevate them to in their minds and that’s part of my point.\n\nRight, but ironically you trying to invoke your scientific background as an authoritative point is now being used by you to bootstrap your argument. In the end you still tried to use it that way, so ho hum.",
">I doubt you'll find anything though\n\nWhat an incredibly pretentious statement. There have been at least six discoveries at the same scale of the heliocentric debate within the last half century.\n\n- The majority of human anthropology\n- Hubble's theory of an expanding universe and red/blue shift\n- Wegener's theory of plate tectonics\n- Crick, Watson, and Franklin's theory of DNA coding\n- Hawking's theories on black holes\n- Literally anything related to quantum mechanics and string theory\n- Literally anything related to the discovery of space beyond the milky way\n\nI can't imagine how incredibly ignorant you must be to have typed five whole paragraphs without even stopping to think that maybe you're wrong. What a moron. Do your research before you beg the question next time. ",
"No. Thimerosal is a harmless preservative that passes right through you. We are also talking parts per million here. Are you trolling or is this Poe's law in action? ",
"You're already dead inside.",
"But anything against the narrative is either racist or sexist!",
"Gish gallop xD please disprove any one of my points.",
"I understand them just fine, thanks. So you have bias, you know you have bias, you recognize that others know this too, but you just don't like it when someone points it out? \n\nOk. \n\nI'm pretty sure that I am not scoffing at you or treating you with disdain. Maybe I'm being lordly? I dunno. That doesn't really fit either. So I am also pretty sure that I am not being condescending. By the way, if you are going to label me with what I can only assume are emotion filled tags, I might as well tell you: condescendence does not mean what you think it means, unless you are proposing that I am involved in Scots Law. ;)\n\n*Edit: As an ironic twist, you saying \"If you paid two seconds of attention...\" is almost the textbook definition of condescending. The more you know, right?*",
"Begun, the Meme war has.",
"Evolution is not just a theory, it is a scientific theory.\nCreationism is not a scientific theory, it is just a theory.\n\nThere is a big difference there that needs to be understood",
"So your only argument is to sling insults instead of trying to debate anything?",
"Boom",
"So are you not actually going to say that we agree here? I'm starting to think that you just like to argue :)",
"Why? Because the Democratic Party/media has always been so incredibly trustworthy, right?",
"There are also other scientific theories other than evolution which conflict with evolution. Heck, there are even a ton of different scientific theories on evolution which conflict with the 'mainstream' theory of evolution. \n\nThey're all just theories. Some are better than others. ",
"Accepted and moved on? Lmao is that why all the Antifa-pussies spent the next couple months whining and rioting on national TV?",
"A better way to say it would be \"Your ignorance about [Blank] is not a valid argument against it\"\n\nIn which case I would agree with it. Ignorance about Scientology would *not* be a valid argument against it, regardless of how bad you might consider Scientology to be. Condemn it from a position of education and facts, not hearsay and misconception.\n\nBut you're right, they're making the mistake in the wording to imply disagreement due to *mental deficiency,* when the beast you wish to slay is *willful ignorance.*",
"Newton's theory is still accurate within an inertial system.",
"> But the same criticism has to apply to those scientists withing the field as well.\n\nNo, not in the sense that they're the same as outsiders to the field. Experts and authoritative voices in a field are not on the same plane as scientists of a totally unrelated field. This applies to any field of expertise even beyond science. Being a renowned physicist doesn't make you a relevant voice in the criticisms of climatology above those who are in the field. That's just a popularity contest then and a pure misplaced appeal to authority. If you can't find me climatologist on par with a Stephen Hawking who disagrees then what does that tell you?\n\nYou also mentioned people who were experts or with a background in the climate sciences when in fact you've mostly mentioned people who aren't that.\n\n>They can just as easily be subject to political bias and are actually more susceptible to financial bias.\n\nOkay, so now you're dropping bullshit because financial bias is not a factor here unless you're invoking some kind of conspiracy theory that so far has zero evidence behind it. Furthermore people who are in fact familiar with a given knowledge base are less susceptible than those outside of it owing entirely to their expertise in it. Simply less knowledgeable people, however brilliant, are working from a position of ignorance that is more prone to bias because they have less proper knowledge behind it.\n\nIn lieu of expertise people fill in the gaps with something else. Experts have more to work with that's correct. It doesn't make them perfect but when we start talking about not one or two scientsits but the bulk of the field it becomes a totally different matter. Talking about one random scientist here or there from some other field next to the bulk of the climatology field is just so ridiculously out of proportion that to try and argue its similar or the same is clearly I think a sign of bias in favour of unjustified skepticism.\n\n>Furthermore, you're getting pretty close to a pure appeal to authority by dismissing the opinions of anybody\n\nHardly, what I am doing is dismissing the weight you want to give their opinions owing to their allegedly significant profiles as scientists. I am dismissing the weight you apply to them because they are not in fact experts even if they are scientists. You are the one who is in fact dismissing the relevant point that not being an expert in a given field is significant. Yours is far closer to the appeal to authority than mine is.\n\nScientists also like to think in a self important way. Pop culture ones who get a mic in front of them very very frequently talk out of turn from their expertise.\n\n>For a long time, those skeptical of religious ideas would be faced with the same rebuttal\n\nReligion is not science. We do not in fact build our social legitimacy and power bases out of the conclusions formed by scientists. Scientific papers are not canonical dogmas, deviations from which become heresies that must be stamped out for mostly political reasons. In actual fact the argument over AGW is largely predicated on influence from traditional economic power bases that want to protect their legitimacy. If there's any comparison to be made here its to religion resisting scientific reasoning because of inconvenience in the manner in which it could influence the Church or the faith's role in society and its power over it.\n\nBut seriously, get off the cross already. You're not some persecuted class just because you want to think your skepticism is noble. The company that is kept in climate skepticism is oil lobbyists and business magnates and corrupt politicians and woo peddlers like Lord Monckton. Acting like there's some monumental force trying to malign skeptics against the greater good is ironic given the complexion of climate skepticism as a reactionary force designed to protect established wealth and political power. ",
"Chromosomes is science though...",
"You literally just proved u/talto 's point\n\nSpez-Meant to reply to the other guy",
"Well, why did CA pass a law to take it out of all kids vaccines, then?",
"And y'all call yourself the science party?",
">Nothing lol. That it. There doesnt have to be a value judgement.\n\nAlrighty, but facts in isolation are meaningless.\n\n>I dislike ppl claiming that there is no divergent evolution in humans that occurred and that somehow evolution stopped working on us.\n\nI haven't claimed that.\n\n>That is all. I have no stake in this.\n\nThen why engage in the debate?",
"Cry me a river, everyone was conquered at some point.",
"> Sure, but I view child rape as one of the most immoral things a person can do.\n\nGreat, so what? You brought this up totally unprovoked so you could find something extremely vile to argue against in lieu of the actual fucking conversation. Its a red herring the size of a 12 ton elephant.\n\n>Not all cultures are equal\n\nCultural chauvinism and prejudice has nothing to do with this conversation.\n\n>which is blatantly obvious when you look at a map of gay rights across the world\n\nThis has nothing to do with this conversation.\n\n>Western values reign supreme in terms of human freedom\n\nStop jerking yourself off to your cultural chauvinism and stay on topic.\n\n>Science is a part of a society's culture\n\nScience observes the natural world, including the things that exist in other societies. Claiming your society is morally superior doesn't make the social mores of another society automatically incorrect. To claim the gender binary is scientifically a fact because your society is in your opinion superior morally is like... irrational bunk nonsense? Yea lets go with that, because I don't feel like calling you worse names.\n\n>These thoughts are barbaric and should be shunned. There is no reason to respect or honor that culture.\n\nThis is a case of false equivalence. In actual fact science has a lot to say on matters of gender that disagree with the western cultural binary so your analogy is not only wrong but borne entirely of your erratic prejudice against other cultures that randomly manifests like your weird drunk uncle suddenly saying something about the Jews one night.\n\n",
"They didn't. The cdc voluntarily removed it as a precaution because idiots that don't have a basic understanding of biology kept screaming about mercury. ",
"His parents broke the law by giving him estrogen not prescribed to him.\n\nNobody sensible is in favor of HRT for children. The most anyone suggests is hormone blockers, which cannot and will not cause anyone to develop breasts.",
"2 GENDERS \n2 SCOOPS \n2 TERMS",
"> is made-up bullshit.\n\nWould you say this to a comfortably intersex person's face? Would you say to their face that their non-male, non-female gender identity, which matches their physiology, is \"made up bullshit\"?\n\n> Everyone who \"identifies\" as a gender outside the binary wants to feel special and unique, when in fact they're as boring and dull as everyone else. \n\nOr they're just people. People that feel neither male nor female. Why give a fuck?",
"You know that science doens't *prove* things, it only disproves things. And if things can't be disproven for long enough they become law.",
"My first Click kindly advise me below\nhttps://redd.it/7pi9d7",
"Can anyone decipher the back of the poster?",
"believe it or not, ppl can pursue dialectical discourse for the sake of facts without premeditated political motive.\n\nI did not claim you did. Others have. Many.\n\nAgain, I like facts",
"If you actually want to engage in an intelligent discussion, read my other comments and respond.\n\nOtherwise, go back to your safe space.",
"That's not what I asked you for. I asked you for a new theory that displaced an old theory that was thought to be totally correct and ended up totally altering our understanding of the natural world in the last century. What you count is not what I asked you for. I asked you for an event equivalent to the proof of the heliocentric model that displaced a previously held belief. I want you to find me something like plate tectonics being proven false. That's not going to happen.\n\nAdvances in physics even such as those involving the first revelations about the quantum is more than a century old and even then that hasn't totally displaced classical mechanics either. I have a great book on my shelf about the discoveries made about it, the difficulties in accepting that they were wrong faced by several scientists.\n\nYou can even go to the middle 20th century where the strong debate about the origin of the universe was going on, between what ended up being the big bang theory versus the oscillating theory. We didn't know for sure which was true, and then we made discoveries that have made us accept the big bang theory. Most of our discoveries are replacing ignorance with a new theory. There is no modern case where we have asserted a theory such as plate tectonics or evolution and discovered they were totally and wholly wrong and utterly upend our entire model for that particular broad category of science. \n\nSo re read what I said and stop being cocksure. Science is stable as fuck in the last century because we've replaced ignorance and assumptions without evidence and data with an enormous field of well substantiated theories that continuously become more substantiated. The myth that science is at any point ready to upend our entire understanding of the universe is just that, a myth. Adjunct elements of theories can be binned, like gradualism, but nobody is going to say evolution actually is wrong. ",
"Intersex is by definition a mutation. What is the point of making genders out of every mutation that happens to humanity? Should we make a gender for trisomy 21? How about cancer-gendered? ",
"Here's a bit scientific consensus to prove otherwise.\n\nhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754583/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21618223 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11826131 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15724806 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16140461 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16870186 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17765230 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18056697 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18962445 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20562024 http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/8/1900.abstract http://www.eje-online.org/content/155/suppl_1/S107 http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v378/n6552/abs/378068a0.html http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.5.6564 A short video explanation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOY3QH_jOtE#t=1h23m52s Scientific consensus http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22051008 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22105293 http://www.psychiatry.org/File%20Library/Advocacy%20and%20Newsroom/Position%20Statements/ps2012_TransgenderCare.pdf http://www.gires.org.uk/assets/Medpro-Assets/AMA122.pdf http://www.wpath.org/site_page.cfm?pk_association_webpage_menu=1352&pk_association_webpage=3947 http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/about-ama/our-people/member-groups-sections/glbt-advisory-committee/glbt-resources/lgbt-health-resources.page http://www.apa.org/about/policy/transgender.aspx\n\nTrans is not by definition a mental disorder. One could make the argument that gender dysphoria is, but the consensus is that the best way to treat gender dysphoria is to transition.\n\nAnd there is a stark difference between somebody thinking they are an imaginary figure and somebody who identifies as the opposite gender",
"Sorry that you blame everybody except the Africans for their lack of development.",
"lmao why are bigoted idiots so dead set on being anti-science and controlling things that have no effect on them?",
"No, but the legislators who passed the law referenced in the article are a threat to liberty. You should try reading it. ",
"i'm a fan of... science... and ummm... being smart",
"lmao are why pro trans people so fragile?\n\n",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality\n\n1.) You will downvote this comment for providing you facts about the modern scientific consensus because it hurts your worldview.\n\n2.) You won't even read it.\n\n3.) You will smugly continue on jacking off about memes not even realizing you're the type the sign is making fun of.\n\nHave a nice day :) Feel free to reply though if you're that insecure.",
"Looking at things as a percentage of mandatory spending and a percentage of discretionary spending are both valuable ways of looking at it. It's also important to note there are *huge* budget items such as DOD retirement and Veterans Affairs that aren't part of that \"16%\" budget that dramatically increase defense spending. \n\nRegardless, it's one of the few areas we can cut spending that will have any meaningful impact on the national budget. If we dropped spending to say the level of the UK we could save over a quarter of a trillion dollars per year. \n\nAnd if we're going to talk about people ignoring basic facts about the budget, can you help me convince conservatives that if the US could provide single payer health insurance at the same level as the UK, Australia, and Canada it would actually *reduce* the tax burden by half a trillion dollars per year?",
"It's not a [strawman](http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/civil-rights/301661-this-canadian-prof-defied-sjw-on-gender-pronouns-and-has-a). ",
"You are a moron. ",
"HRT is a standard protocol for children in countries like Canada and many others. In the US it has been allowed for teens, and they’re now lowering that limit even further.\nhttps://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Transgender-Kids-Eligible-for-Earlier-Medical-Intervention-Under-New-Guidelines-423082734.html\n",
"I can't debate anything with you guys, it's always instantly refuted ",
"> Okay, so now you're dropping bullshit because financial bias is not a factor here unless you're invoking some kind of conspiracy theory that so far has zero evidence behind it.\n\nThere's no conspiracy here, just simple market forces. Extreme interpretations of findings create a demand for further research into the subject, thus financial gain or at least stability for the researcher. Of course, dissenters can also be in a similar position BUT with one crucial difference: the outside dissenter, even if he is paid by say an oil company, can still make a living in their original field if interest in climate science wanes. The climate scientist cannot. \n\n> In lieu of expertise people fill in the gaps with something else.\n\nSome people might. But in the case of the scientifically literate, they can also provide a fresh set of eyes to look at the issue. And that's sorely needed at times. My go to example is the divergence problem in dendrochronology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divergence_problem). I think an outsider can see very clearly that there's a glaring problem here where a specialist can, pardon the pun, fail to see the forest for the trees.\n\n> You are the one who is in fact dismissing the relevant point that not being an expert in a given field is significant. Yours is far closer to the appeal to authority than mine is.\n\nYour argument, unless I misunderstand, is: \"Those people should not be taken seriously since they're not experts in the field\"\n\nMy argument: \"The most robust criticism of the consensus opinion on climate change comes from scientifically literate people\"\n\nAppeal to authority is specifically about experts, not general credentials of the person making the argument. \n\n\"I think Bob is right because he's an expert on X\" vs \"I think Bob is right because I think he's smart and well educated\".\n\nNow, ideally, both are the wrong attitude to have. It should be \"I believe Bob is right because he makes a compelling argument\" but my guess is that neither of us can truly claim to have sufficient understanding to gauge whether these argument are indeed correct. \n\nAnother example: you go to a medical expert for an ailment and the treatment he prescribes is pretty extreme. Let's say amputation. You're in no position to say if he's right or not but you know a couple of people. A biologist, a general practitioner and a nurse. In general, their opinion wouldn't trump that of the expert but you still go to them and have them evaluate the issue. If they have reservations about the proposed treatment, would you dismiss their opinion? Clearly, you DON'T got to Joe the carpenter who you play cards with every friday. \n\n> But seriously, get off the cross already. You're not some persecuted class just because you want to think your skepticism is noble.\n\nGetting a bit emotional there. All I'm trying to say is that the portrayal of climate skeptics as bumbling fools is highly misleading. One climate that has certainly changed recently is the political one. Trump and Clinton (and their supporters) certainly embody this nasty tendency to think that those holding a different point of view are either insane, retarded, evil or all of the above.\n\n> as a reactionary force designed to protect established wealth and political power.\n\nThis is a non-sequitur. There were haves and have nots long before the internal combustion engine and that will still be the case long after oil reserves have been depleted. Unless we somehow stumble across easy fusion reactors to give us (almost) unlimited energy at least. Then we can think about how to structure a post scarcity society. Maybe. ",
"I'm fine with being courteous. I'm not arguing that everyone should blatantly call people by an disliked title. I'm saying I don't want a gun to my head making me do it. \n\nAs an example. Given you used John as a sample name, I'm going to assume you are male. How would you feel if you could be fined up to $250,000 if you leave the toilet seat up? It's not that hard to be courteous and put the seat down. The law actually probably wouldn't affect me, but it's the fact I can now be punished by the state for not being courteous.\n\nEnacting punishments for mere discourtesies is a slippery slope. ",
"Sorry for your mental retardation, day to day life must be hard.",
"Just remove the feeling and you are done. \"Science says that but I don’t understand it, but it is probably right\" is a perfectly valid argument. ",
"And?\n\nThe point is that you should be kind to others. The point is that we, as a society, should be willing to do *incredibly fuckin' minor shit* to make life a little easier for eachother.\n\nAnd the point is that science has found that not everyone's brain fits into one of the two boxes.\n\nSo, again, if you find someone intersex, mutant or no, are you gonna be a big fucking cunt to them and ignore their wishes to be referred to as \"they\"?",
"How do you think we feel? Even if we try and have a debate someone comes out of the woodwork to call us Nazi/Rascist/Fascist/Deplorable as soon as we present our opinion",
"https://i.imgur.com/cGiYbrv.png",
"Ahhh so it's simply a mental illness? That clears things up",
"Poor guy. Couldn't defend one viewpoint with facts :(",
"That's not a strawman. If you cite flawed science to support your bigotry then you're a racist. ",
"You just called that Patriot a moron for not trusting anything that comes out of a Democrats mouth, when he has plenty of precedent to do so ",
"Hahahahhahahahahahah yes. No evidence to support your retarded claims. Sorry my viewpoints aren't dependent on my ignorant feelings.",
"yeah I realised it becomes about who can type more words or who is least busy at work.",
"Yup\n\nDumb as rocks aren't you?\n\nI have been to a psychiatrist. Bigorty is not a diagnosable illness.",
"Except for the you know mass of data.",
"[ok then](https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/Immunization/laws.aspx) ",
"I’m a biology major, that’s the first thing I should probably bring up. The thing about those “things we see as truth even though they haven’t been proven” they don’t need to be proven true because even though we can’t prove them outright, we can do enough tests to say with near certainty that should be treated as fact. You said gravity for example, and fortuitously you also picked black holes, which are also directly correlated to gravity. Gravity may not be “proven” but everything that we know from it’s study allows us to do things like send a rocket into space. The studies also give us the information we need to calculate things that seem more common to us, like simply getting on an airplane and flying somewhere. Weight of the fuel at the beginning duration and end of the flight will have a great effect on the power required to keep it in the air (we know this because we understand how gravity works). You mention biogenesis, the creation of life from existing life, this is well known, it is also well known how that life could have formed fairly easily on earth considering all of the pieces needed to create RNA could be found and the horrible stormy conditions on earth were ideal for taking taking those “ingredients for life” and forming RNA with them. From there we look at evolution and how complex life formed from simple bacteria. As the atmosphere on earth stabilized and oxygen became more abundant, but the dominant life on earth was still prokaryotes, which begs the question “how did eukaryotes come to be” which is most basically explained as such. The mitochondria which we all know learned in high school is the “powerhouse of the cell” performs cellular respiration. Respiration is important because it creates over 30 ATP as opposed to the 2 or three that was produced by processes that did not utilize O2. When we look at the mitochondria in cells today, it seems out of place, and that is because it is. In early formation of the eukaryotic cells that we know today, the mitochondria in the form of bacteria were absorbed by other prokaryotes and instead of just dissolving and it’s contents fueling the prokaryote in the short term, it survived and worked in tandem with the cell, producing excess energy, and allowing it to become one of the first multicellular organisms. This is actually a very similar reason as to why humans (actually our ancestor species, but that’s even more complex than I prefer to get into rn) evolved to have greater brain capacity, an excess of energy (protein in this case) when meat consumption became common allowed us to make the next big leap forward. The amount of research I’ve had to do on these topics was extensive in the last few years, but this was the best way I could simplify it for the common person who has graduated high school to understand.",
"it was banned. there's nothing to leak. you have no scapegoat for this. ",
"it was banned. there's nothing to leak. you have no scapegoat for this. ",
"wow, reddit is not full of 'muricans. \n[shocking.](https://i.imgur.com/vN6biZB.gif)",
"That's a whole lot of assumptions and a pretty huge leap in the assumption that I implied poor people are stupid. \n\nAlso if regular folks back in the day got ahold of scientific findings I seriously doubt they would understand it for a multitude of reasons, firstly regular folks couldn't read, secondly regular folks were poorly educated. The issue is one of information and being able to divided that information into different levels sophistication to reach a wider audience. \n\nMoney has nothing to do with that.",
"So am I. ",
"The University Of Common Sense ",
">Peer reviewed research is inductive truth with consensus\n\nYou make quite hollow statements for someone with such a condescending attitude.",
"There was a scientific consensus in contraction theory. Then [one man](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Hammond_Hess#Scientific_Discoveries) with a [single report](http://www.mantleplumes.org/WebDocuments/Hess1962.pdf) shifted the paradigm.\n\nThe consensus was wrong.\n\nThat is how science works because science is self-correcting. Plenty of peer-reviewed publications ([1](http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2011BAMS3139.1) [2](https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/794842/time-SLOWING-down-FROZEN-chilling-theory) [3](https://sputniknews.com/russia/2007011559078992/) [4](https://books.google.com/books?id=Jp6gJCuvj-kC&lpg=PA1&ots=2ZfWi-bc_c&dq=Endless%20Universe%3A%20Beyond%20the%20Big%20Bang&lr&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false) [5](http://www.co2science.org/images/pdf/health2pps.pdf)) are challenging our well-regarded theories, and if we dismiss them as invalid then we dismiss the scientific process.\n\nAccording to the vast majority of our scientists (97%) climate change is man-made. That does not mean that we should stop experimenting, theorizing, being skeptical and asking questions. You can fume \"accept the proven fact\" and “go deny reality” all you want, but then you are being juvenile and doing science a disservice.",
"I'm going to tell all doctors their degrees are worthless now, for UniqueUsername935 is smarter than them all.",
"Well then we have something in common. Don't worry, Bernie can still win if you match my donation! Hahahaha ",
"\"Thimerosal, used to prevent contamination of multi-dose vials of vaccines, contains mercury. California law prohibits administering mercury-containing vaccines to pregnant women or to children younger than three years of age. All routine vaccines are available in formulations that meet the law.\"\n",
"\"Thimerosal, used to prevent contamination of multi-dose vials of vaccines, contains mercury. California law prohibits administering mercury-containing vaccines to pregnant women or to children younger than three years of age. All routine vaccines are available in formulations that meet the law.\"\n\nDo you see it? Also courts of law don't dictate science. Italian courts outlawed gmo foods. Doesn't mean gmo foods are bad for you. ",
"> There's no conspiracy here, just simple market forces.\n\nMarket forces are not a factor in scientific data that is gathered and then analyzed by a scientific field who have a diverse set of influences on them. Unless you contend that the entire field of climatology is under market forces that make them all agree this is a nonsensical statement. \n\n>Extreme interpretations of findings create a demand for further research into the subject, thus financial gain or at least stability for the researcher.\n\nUntil you can find me evidence to support your flight of fancy this is pure invented nonsense based on exactly the kind of uninformed \"making it up based on my own biases or interpretations of things I don't know much about\" shit that comes from non experts who try to think up ways to justify skepticism. If you've ever read climate research papers you'll see its not inflating or taking extreme interpretations. This isn't the pharmaceutical industry. Most of the time when someone says \"THEY SAID IT WAS GOING TO BE ONE THING AND NOW IT SAYS ANOTHER!\" its the climate scientists saying their previous predictions were in error, the model is being fixed, here's the new model.\n\nSpeaking without specific examples of how this theory of yours applies its just a bunch of wank, totally without merit.\n\n> the outside dissenter, even if he is paid by say an oil company, can still make a living in their original field if interest in climate science wanes. The climate scientist cannot.\n\nStop inventing nonsense. If there is anything that has shown a market motivated conclusion its been the anti AGW stuff funded by oil companies. Your biases are really starting to show in your totally weird made up thoughts though.\n\n>Some people might.\n\nEveryone does. If you don't understand things on the level of an expert you cannot fill your mind with the things they do when they form their own conclusions. You can only fill it with something else, and if you choose to dissent with them its not going to be what an expert does when they dissent.\n\n>But in the case of the scientifically literate, they can also provide a fresh set of eyes to look at the issue.\n\nNot to the extent you want to credit them, not without being experts in the field. Their \"fresh eyes\" are not qualified to contradict a consensus by thousands of experts. They are qualified to hold private opinions but those opinions hold minimal value unless they shift themselves towards years of work becoming experts on the new subject matter. To contradict the conclusions requires actually publishing new papers, which they're not doing, fancy that.\n\n>My go to example is the divergence problem in dendrochronology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divergence_problem). I think an outsider can see very clearly that there's a glaring problem here where a specialist can, pardon the pun, fail to see the forest for the trees.\n\nI don't see where your example has any value here. Mentions within the article involve experts publishing papers that provide information that has to be accounted for by other experts who would rely on it, so climatologists who need to reconstruct past temperatures have to rely on the expertise of tree ring experts to ensure the data going into their models accounts for these things.\n\nWhat is the point of this example? Is everything you have to say purely speculation and about the 'gut' feeling you get about your own role as an outsider?\n\n>\"I think Bob is right because he's an expert on X\" vs \"I think Bob is right because I think he's smart and well educated\".\n\nBut we're not talking about Bob being right, we're talking about thousands of Bobs versus Freedom Dyson and his informal thoughts. The accumulated conclusions based on data and reevaluating that data over time by people who work in the field versus someone talking about how they feel about it is not remotely similar or robust.\n\nThe non experts do not publish their criticisms in a manner that's scientifically useful to the climate science field because they lack the expertise to be able to actually pick apart the data in the manner that other climatology experts can. This is why even if you attach the name of a prominent scientist to something it doesn't mean much when its just about their feels.\n\n>All I'm trying to say is that the portrayal of climate skeptics as bumbling fools is highly misleading. One climate that has certainly changed recently is the political one. Trump and Clinton (and their supporters) certainly embody this nasty tendency to think that those holding a different point of view are either insane, retarded, evil or all of the above.\n\nThe maligning of climate science has been going on for decades, back to the 70s even based on leaked documents from oil companies. Its nothing new. Tying this to the modern political climate is in unnecessarily topical. \n\n>There were haves and have nots long before the internal combustion engine and that will still be the case long after oil reserves have been depleted. \n\nWhat kid of statement is that? Of course there have, but the point is those with the power in the energy sector have been using tgheir power to avert the influence of action against the effects of fossil fuels, very effectively at that.\n\n> Unless we somehow stumble across easy fusion reactors to give us (almost) unlimited energy at least. Then we can think about how to structure a post scarcity society. Maybe.\n\nI have no idea what you're on about. You thin I'm making some statement about equality and ending the exploitation of the oppressed? Its often the progressive sphere that harps on this the most because hating on corporations is a very easy form of outrage but in reality the reactionaries are just as worried about the next energy titans to replace them or even without considering this merely avoiding the lessening of their profits.\n\nThis is no different than a noble avoiding a succession crisis through crafty politics. But I wonder if you're now denying that the oil industry has been at the fore front of climate change denial efforts? There's far more evidence for that than there is for nay of your skepticism. If ind it interesting though how you immediately reached for the \"inequality is inevitable, I'm totally not fussed about it\" sentiment. I think that speaks to your political outlook maybe and that reveals perhaps where your biases come from.",
"> psychologists have weak math skills and don't know enough of about statistical sampling and probability.\n\nYou claim all psychologists have poor maths skills😂😂😂😂😂.\n",
"Indeed, I was hoping you wouldn't get so emotional.",
"So many ppl use the Science argument for global warming but believe using it to explain two genders is a hate crime. SJW logic right there. ",
"Eat your glyphosate and take your preservatives people... This is science! Science is god. Science is good for you. DO IT!!!!",
"If we were designed the designer is a fucking moron.\n\nLet's have them intake oxygen and food through the same opening, that won't lead to problems.\n\nLet's put the blood vessels for the cornea in front of them instead of behind, that will significantly reduce the effectiveness of vision.\n\nLet's have them also expel waste and do reproduction in the same area, that's smart. Also leave the testicles outside the body where they are vulnerable to injury and a tremendous weak point. That's necessary.\n\nSeriously how can you look at how inefficient and bad our \"design\" is and think it was an all knowing, all powerful being that did it that badly?",
"People aren't being fined for incorrect pronouns. They are getting fined for calling someone a name they don't want to be called.\n\nIt's the equivalent of calling your co-worker a woman, every day, even though he's explained that he identifies as a man. It can wear a person down to have his psychology dismissed like that. Which can cause real damage in this person's day to day.\n\nAgain, people getting fined aren't getting fined for incorrect use of \"other-kin\". People are getting fined for harassment.",
"Okay, no counterarguments then. \n\nDo you really believe evolutionary pressures where exactly equal in the African Jungle as in Europe? Do you really think cold winters didn't have any effect?\n\nThe truth is, if you haven't been told this equality bullshit every day since childhood, the conclusion is very obvious. Of course you can't handle that so you have to insult someones english skills. ",
"Something trumps opinion.",
"Please explain what other theories conflict with evolution because I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. You really are not understanding how evolution is not just a theory.\n\n\n“They’re all just theories” \nDo theses other theories you’re talking about have MOUNTAINS of evidence for them the same way that evolution does. Evolution is not just a theory, you just don’t seem to understand it which means instead that you should do more research into it instead of calling it just a theory when it absolutely is not",
"I collected the facts in some my other comments but im pretty sure you gonna ignore them so I wont link it, have fun hating people and pretending youre right",
"I think the fact that it's universal isn't necessarily a problem with the statement. It's more of an issue of how it's used because, it's true no matter what you plug in. A lack of understanding isn't an acceptable counterpoint. It's a really good rule of thumb and I think it should kind of be a staple in people's thought processes as it would encourage gaining understanding of things.\n\nThe issue lies with people who use it to defend lies and/or things they actually don't know about or the people who use it as an insult of sorts. \n\nLet's take climate change, for example. The whole \"well it's snowing and cold right now so global warming is fake\" thing is, at best, a poor argument against it. A person insisting global warming is real because of summer weather shows a similar lack of understanding and results in an equally shitty argument.",
"If only saying that made it true...",
">Muh proveable science\nYou probably watch rick & morty don't you?",
"One can make a philosophical argument without even believing it it, let alone being a scientist.",
"Retard",
"Alright. Fine. Whatever. I’ve learned my lesson. It’s not worth commenting opinions on the internet. I just think that people are taking over the idea of science for political gain and I don’t like that. Might be right might be wrong, most likely a little bit of both given how the world is oftentimes more complicated than what we understand. I respect your opinion as well even though you never clearly stated what it was but given how you replied I imagine it’s the opposite of mine and that’s ok. If everyone believed the same stuff the world would get pretty damn boring.",
"A scientific claim is reproducible. So you can take the claim to another scientist and test it. ",
"Evidence!",
"I would say ‘accurate enough’ is a better term. But it’s not accurate.\n\nThis is the problem I see - most people still call it Newton’s theory. But when people admonish others for not knowing what a ‘scientific theory’ is (usually in response to the latter claiming “it’s just a theory” or something of that nature) they themselves usually have conflicting definitions of what is a theory. \n\nJust because it’s a scientific theory doesn’t mean it’s above critique, criticism, and doubt. Shit - that’s how new theories are developed in the first place! And baselessly dismissing someone’s doubt just because something has the moniker of “theory” makes the same logical mistakes that the other person is purportedly making by dismissing it because it’s called a “theory”. ",
"I agree with you, but they would say the same thing back \"there's no proof he isn't real\" and then deny everything you try to say.\n\n",
"\n>The point is that you should be kind to others. The point is that we, as a society, should be willing to do *incredibly fuckin' minor shit* to make life a little easier for eachother.\n\nShould be, not forced to be. If someone wants to be a jackass they have a right to their freedom of speech.\n\n>And the point is that science has found that not everyone's brain fits into one of the two boxes.\n\nNo shit. Are you saying that collectivism is wrong? Because I would agree with you. Individualism is the only way to truly understand humanity. Biological facts don't change the fact that we are, we exist, and each of us has an internal monologue separate and different from everyone else's. Putting people into boxes for all 536 made up genders is unimaginably stupid, and doesn't reflect the true nature of humanity. The two genders exist as biological starting points, and an individual branches out from there.\n\n>So, again, if you find someone intersex, mutant or no, are you gonna be a big fucking cunt to them and ignore their wishes to be referred to as \"they\"?\n\nIf it's what I feel like doing, sure. There's nothing criminal about referring to a woman as a man, or vice versa. Mutations in sex chromosomes changes nothing except the starting point of an individual. ",
"An illogical argument is invalid.",
"Global warming isn't affected by personal perspective, unlike gender.",
"Tanks.",
"> not forced to be.\n\nYou're not being forced to be. But nobody's forced to be your friend or be nice to you, and if you decide to misgender people, people around you are going to not be your friend and will likely be unfriendly to you.\n\nFreedom of speech is a two-way street.\n\n> The two genders exist as biological starting points, and an individual branches out from there.\n\nIf you give a fuck about science, then speak accordingly. Stop interchanging gender and sex when the scientific consensus says they're not equivalent.\n\n> There's nothing criminal about referring to a woman as a man, or vice versa. \n\nThere's nothing criminal about calling a black person a \"coon\", but don't be surprised when your friends suddenly stop calling you. There is space between acceptability and illegality. Misgendering exists in that space.",
"> I have been to a psychiatrist.\n\nSure, but have you been to a psychiatrist because of your bigotry?",
"I can't believe after all this time you're still arguing semantics. As to your freedom of speech point, you must enjoy pointing out the obvious and then feeling superior because you were the first person to say it. There's still only two genders, you haven't offered a single counterpoint.",
"I shouldn't have to spell it out for you like this but I'm becoming increasingly sure that you're a middle schooler who does not yet posses critical thinking skills so I'm going to be nice here:\n\nIn the last 50 years, anthropology has been constantly moving the scientific origin of man, from Europe to Asia to Africa and now back to Europe. Ergo, science upends itself. \n\nBefore Hubble, we had no grasp space beyond that of the milky way galaxy as it was scientific fact that there was nothing beyond the milky way.\n\nBefore Wegener it was scientific fact that the Earth had always been as it is today, but he provided reason to believe that all continents were once one, also answering a major question about evolution.\n\nBefore Crick and Watson, DNA was considered a scientific enigma (as it had only been discovered a matter of decades before), but after them the structure of the double helix was learned which thereby enabled genetic modification and opened a Pandora's box of science which had been previously regarded as impossible.\n\nHawking was a genius given the number of theories he made and proved about black holes, barraging what was previously established science regarding gravity and relativity. He also fathered what would become the basics of string theory, which destroys every established fact about matter into obscurity.\n\nAll of these examples are exactly what you asked me for, but you lacked the ability to understand that, presumably because you were never familiar with what was cannon before them. These paradigm shifts happen constantly, it's only a matter of time until one relevant enough to your closed worldview manifests and you're forced to see just how unstable science really is.",
"You seem to be getting into an argument of semantics. \nI agree that other theories don't have as much evidence as the current mainstream theory of evolution, hence why I believe it to be the most superior theory currently out there. \n\nIt's still a theory, it's just the best theory we've got. \n\nJust like the Big Bang. There are other theories out there about our universe but the best one at the moment is the Big Bang theory. \n\nAs far as other theories regarding evolution go, there are so many you can find via google or other forms of research. \nLook into the waterside model, also known as the aquatic ape theory. \nIt obviously doesn't have as much evidence as the mainstream version of evolution, hence why I don't consider this superior to it. \n\nThat's one of the ones I personally happen to find pretty interesting. It proposes a different form of evolution, which hypothesizes that we evolved more closely from a branch of species that lived in the water. \n",
"I grew up in an aboriginal boarding school in Canada, they made all of us go. My snowchink mother drank during the pregnancy so now I'm a psychopath delusional snowchink white supremacist.\n\nI also own a puppy mill. Every time one gets pregnant I blend the Unterhunden and feed them to the rest. I'm a stingy bastard.",
"So who is going to pay for all these babies no one wants?",
"We put a man on the moon. Pretty sure we figured out the whole Gender thing. Western values are morally, scientifically, culturally, absolutely superior. If you don't believe me, go live with whichever culture you see as preferential. I like not getting thrown off a roof for having a boyfriend. Ive given you examples of cultures that are objectively inferior to western cultures. \n\nLet me ask, are you alright with China paying poachers to murder rare and endangered animals for psuedoscientific remedies and driving those populations the brink? No? Well stop bein a cultural chauvinist its just what their culture is alright with :)\n\nAs for your claim about over two genders being scientifically accurate, that is a bold faced lie. Having gone through transitioning, I can say in absolute honesty anyone claiming a third gender is full of shit. The science does not back this up, and cannot back this up. Let me know when you can take hormones to become demiarcaipolygendered.\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rnQbgShb6r8",
"You're precisely the person the poster is talking about. The consensus of psychologists is that gender is a spectrum. \"Muh chromosomes\" changes that no more than \"muh bible\" changes the age of the Earth.",
"Scientifically speaking it isn't a person until it is viable outside the womb. Which happens around 6 months into gestation.",
"I wanted to but I was tired of fighting with autocorrect ",
"You don’t have to be a genius to know that there are only 2 genders",
"When they are viable outside the womb.",
"You keep using this appeal to authority like it validates your argument. Do you know what the consensus of astronomers pre-Copernicus was? They were all united in their wrongness of the geocentric model. \"Muh psychologists\" is as sound an argument as \"muh feelings\". ",
"> \"Science says that but I don’t understand it, but it is probably right\" is a perfectly valid argument.\n\nThat depends on what you mean. If you mean: some guy in a white lab coat says it's so, then it is probably right. That is an Appeal to Authority fallacy, and considering what we know about p-hacking and publishing bias, that is pretty far from a valid argument.\n\nIf you mean that: I've done the research/studied the research and I understand it well enough to know that this is a valid result, but I don't understand why I get this result; it's probably right. **More research is needed!** Yeah, that's pretty valid. \n\n",
"that's part of my point. the mania team isn't part of sonic team. sonic team develops better rpgs than they do sonic games. ",
"Before that it was Dr. Who in the 70s",
"No its not. Go back to school. ",
"Don't be so hateful. It's incredible how low you'd sink just because you share a different opinion. ",
"ARGUING WITH SCIENCE IS IGNORANT!",
"It's not a topic in which opinions have value, it's an objective truth versus your intolerance. Will you read the science of I link it? Trans people have high suicide rates thanks to people like you and I'm not gonna take that lightly as people's lives are at stake due to the lack of education of others",
"I fully agree and am like you. I know that rallies and gatherings like this often boil down to catchy signs and cute rhyme schemes, but this sign is exactly why I think it makes little sense to hang your hat on messaging like this. Effectively the \"message\" is \"We're smart. You're an idiot.\"\n\nI know you can't have a whole manifesto detailing whatever side of the debate you are on, but you're instantly pushing away the people you want to convince of something by telling them they have no idea what they're talking about (even if that is accurate). \n\nIn virtually all walks of life (religion/politics/science), I think the far more effective way if your goal really is to educate the other side is to be approachable. This messaging does the exact opposite.",
"Your inability to grasp the concept that science is a method of discovery rather than a set of facts, does not anoint anything you choose to call science as the unquestionable truth.",
"Your argument isn't based on anything remotely sound in science. You're childishly stamping your feet and repeating \"CHROMOSOMES!\" as though that changes the fact that psychological and physiological makeup are different.",
"Usually based on danger to others or themselves...",
"There are measurable differences in IQ between populations. Just look at global IQ maps from just about any source whatsoever. Basically, if there are differences in IQ between populations, and IQ is highly heritable, we can infer that the differences in IQ between population are due to generic factors.",
"There is a lot and I mean a lot of data out there. If you did a proper search you would find it. But you do not want to believe it so you conveniently do not see it.",
"Several dozen doctors already killed themselves because their degrees are worthless. ",
"Now you're strawmanning, extremely hard. Obviously, the worlds of the psychological and physiological are different. Descartes recognized that hundreds of years ago. But, just as dualism has serious issues, separating the psychological from the physiological has some major problems. Where does the psychological exist without physical grounding? It seems as though the psyche must be derivative of physical states. You can demonstrate that quite plainly by inducing different mental states when stimulating different brain areas. I would very much like to hear your argument to the contrary. ",
"Does it get tiring hating black people so much?\n\nDo you ever wonder if maybe it's time to give up the KKK-like lifestyle? \n\nDark skinned people are not out to get you",
"> Now you're strawmanning, extremely hard. \n\nNo, I'm not. Your rooting your \"two genders\" \"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"argument\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\" (to the pathetic extent you've even made one) entirely in the prevalent sexual phenotypes. You've based it on *literally nothing else*.\n\n> Where does the psychological exist without physical grounding? It seems as though the psyche must be derivative of physical states. You can demonstrate that quite plainly by inducing different mental states when stimulating different brain areas.\n\nThe mental state can be measured--to some extent-- by the present physical state **of the brain**. It does not follow that the physical makeup of ones' genitals--or of the most prevalent genital configurations--determines one's perceived gender.\n\nOn the other hand, those that *actually have studied the mind and its workings*, have found that some people perceive their gender to be neither male nor female.",
"I’m getting into an argument over semantics because the word usage matters here. If evolution is “just a theory”, then the idea that the earth revolves around the sun is also just a theory or that the earth is round is just a theory.\n\nThe way you’re using it, you can apply “theory” to absolutely anything due to nothing being able to be tested to be 100% indisputably true. Which then makes the word useless which is why we don’t use it like that.\n\nEvolution is not just a theory, it is a SCIENTIFIC theory (there’s a big difference) that is practically a fact.\n\n",
"Okay, I read through the first article, and the first source they list for the article from \"four scholars\" suggesting race is bad science goes to a 404. The second article they cite is an opinion piece about Rachel Dolezal where the professionals giving their opinions are historians and sociologists. Later in the article they quote a professor of public health (not a geneticist), and Svante Paabo, a Swedish geneticist. It's worth noting in Sweden you can be jailed for even suggesting race exists. Hate speech laws are very extreme in that country. \n\nIt seems to me like you cherry picked third party opinion articles by googling \"science shows race is fake.\" Hardly quality research. I will acknowledge that there's never a 100% consensus among scientists even in the same field, so it's really not surprising you were able to find something to support your argument, even if just barely.",
"lmao, 90+% of our oxygen comes from plankton in the sea anyway. We could get rid of all the trees in the world and we wouldn't breathe all that differently fam",
" This 'new' definition is not what the word gender meant for hundreds if not thousands of years. There has always been and always will be a clear cut definition of what gender/sex is and what it constitutes with the exception of a very small percentage of outliers. The rest (Bruce Jenner types) are self deluded, self absorbed, mentally ill and need sympathy and the help of those who care enough to speak the truth with compassion. Their mind needs to be fixed not their genitalia. To say otherwise is not going to ultimately help transgenders and transsexuals and will leave them physically, emotionally, and psychologically in chains.",
"Ok this is late but here we go:\n\nI didn't mean to answer your question but point out that this is a big topic.\n\n[This is a TV debate with Peterson](https://youtu.be/kasiov0ytEc)\n\n[This is at a rally](https://youtu.be/O-nvNAcvUPE)\nThere are a few videos from that rally.\n(I have yet to find one with violence from nazis)\n\nI have not taken the time to watch the video you linked, that is something for the weekend. So I cant comment on it.\n\nHowever I do think that he bashes the \"left\" too much sometimes, in general he makes all of this a little too political. I don't see gender issues as a political debate.\n\nThe second video you link to is a very good one.\nI don't understand what the guy at 4:20 (oooh omg I just got that) says, however is a video that shows very well how much of a pissing contest this debate actually is.\n\nAt one point the person behind the camera talks about someone killing themselves because they weren't beibg called the right pronoun.\nThere have always been isolated instances that fit your narrative. \n\nThere are jews who are arseholes, that doesn't justify killing a couple million of them.\n\nThere are people who had NDEs that doesn't prove god.\n\nSometimes many people make one stupid decision, that doesn't make democracy bad.\n\nSome people who support Jordan Peterson are racist or homophobic or transphobic. That doesn't make him a bad guy.\n\nI sort of lost my train of thought here, I might be back later.",
"That's really not true. It's only true when you arbitrarily decide to change both the definition of life and what it is to be a person to mean something different",
">Sam Harris, for example, talks about how he links value to fact very frequently\n\nWell, first off, I have to ask how valuing fact is bad. From where I'm standing, saying that valuing facts can be bad is a logical contradiction. (You can't make any argument without using some sort of facts, which, in turn, would mean you'd be arguing against using what you're using.)\n\nSecondly, valuing facts is founding principle for science. It's not something wrapped over the top in some religifying of science.\n\nLastly, as I understand it, Sam Harris' ideas for a rationalist morality is based on the idea of looking at neurology. His belief seems to be that people may, one day, be able judge the goodness or badness of an action on others by looking at the objective effects of such an action on people's minds. While I think his point of view is a contradiction, since there's no way to define good or bad without already having a defined moral framework (a catch 22), he's not *making a religion out of science*. Science is a far broader topic than that. It's the difference between making a religion out of the Bible and out of the Book of Judges (at most).\n\n> think about the stereotypical r/atheist poster and the values and politics they hold. Are those completely scientific?\n\nHow does that, in any way, mean they're making a religion of science? Presumably, you're saying they mostly lean in the same direction (towards the Left?). That proves nothing other than people who hang out together seem to share similar beliefs. And, then you imply that their opinions are unscientific. Nowhere in there is the implication of them building a dogmatic framework around science.\n\n>I remember there was a 'science' parade recently to march against Trump's anti-science measures. That is a 'scientific' ritual that is not scientific.\n\nPeople who value science were protesting antiscience measures, how's that surprising or religious? Representative government only works if the people let the government know what they want.\n\nI wasn't a fan of the marches because I think science should remain as unpolitical as possible (and taking an essentially opposing stance to who's in power isn't great when so much science funding comes from government grants), but it certainly wasn't religious.",
"The details are in the abstract of this peer-reviewed article from the American Journal of Human Biology. \n\nhttp://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/(SICI)1520-6300(200003/04)12:2<151::AID-AJHB1>3.0.CO;2-F/abstract\n\n",
"All religions believe in the first definition, but it is not a complete, mostly because it is a secular definition; to make it more full it would have to give separate definitions for all religions, which it should but doesn't. Don't know why. But then again most religious concepts and words can't be found in your everyday dictionary, that's why they make Bible dictionaries and such. If you want the definition of faith as Christianity defines it, it is best to actually go to a Christian source. And the same can be said for all other religions.\n\nAlso, complete trust or confidence in someone or something is not belief without evidence. The nature of the person or thing that you are trusting, the history you have with them, are the evidence. That's what faith is, i.e. leaping on what you already know.\n\nEdit. Too many people talk about evidence without actually knowing what the word means. I can place my iPhone on the table as evidence for God and it'd be valid. It most likely won't be convincing evidence for many people, but it is still evidence that I put forth for scrutiny.",
"What, the_donald was banned? Im confused cuz",
"Question: Is it impossible for a different theory to ever come long which will be better than the currently accepted theory of evolution? \n\nIn a million years from now, maybe a billion years from now - are you really saying it's impossible for anything to ever come along which will be better than the current theory?\n\nYes or no?",
"Boy do I know it!",
"My deluded cult has peer-reviewed science to back us up.\n\nFrom the American Journal of Human Biology:\nhttp://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/(SICI)1520-6300(200003/04)12:2<151::AID-AJHB1>3.0.CO;2-F/abstract\n\nEdit: Here's one on race from the Annals of Internal Medicine...\nhttp://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/710064/medicalization-race-scientific-legitimization-flawed-social-construct",
"Everyone in this comment chain is an unfunny piece of shit\n",
"The last countries in Africa didn't gain independence from their colonial occupiers until the late 70s. So, insofar as Europeans have been in control of the vast majority of Africa for the majority of the 200 years leading up to, during, and after the industrial revolution, yes, I do blame Europe for Africa's lack of development.",
"Thats it? Thats all you got left? I guess your argument runs out of gas pretty quick when you're making up \"science\" to support politics. Just remember kiddo, universal truth is not determined by mass appeal no matter how much you need it to be. Have a nice day sir:)",
"\"Objective truth\"? Even the most liberal idiots wouldn't refer to it as such.\n\nI've read the science. I used to be involved in statistical analysis of various social and cognitive sciences in academia. Additionally, one of my degrees is very pertinent to the neuroscience behind the claims.\n\nAnyone with a discerning eye can find dozens of biases and confounds after a few minutes of reading. \n\nThis is not hard science which approaches 'objectivity'. At best, you have dubious correlations, and improper generalizations of the results from MRI and fMRI studies.\n\nTo top it all off, the amount of self-reporting in many of the studies tends to be astronomical.\n\n> Trans people have high suicide rates thanks to people like you \n\nSee, even that statement is unsubstantiated and based on dubious correlations - and a metric fuckton of self-reporting. That is what you feel. The data doesn't show any of that. You could easily say that transgender individuals are assholes and bring about their own abuse. You see? That's not very scientific. \n\n> I'm not gonna take that lightly as people's lives are at stake due to the lack of education of others\n\nYes, and I can say that people who encourage mental illness like you, are dangerous and should be penalized. Contributing to beliefs that make a person's life a living hell is unforgivable. You are causing parents to treat their children differently and thereby leave them with trauma that will last them a lifetime.\n\nLets not start with the puberty blockers and the ethical implications thereof.",
"So you have no sources and that's your opinion, ok.",
"you'll be downvoted by pieces of shit but I'm with you",
"I don't hate all black people. I just recognize differences between races, like IQ, like criminality.\n\nThey aren't all out to get me. I'm not retarded. That doesn't mean that grooming gangs in numerous British cities don't target non-muslims. Or that the monthly riots in my countries major cities aren't made up of just 2 foreign races.\n\nYou race denying Gutmenschen can virtue signal al you want. But this diversity you've pressed upon white countries will show people the truth. People like you will be the downfall of liberalism and progressivism in the west. \n\nWhat do you think I do all day? Burning crosses? No I live a life, and this life has given me experiences that have prompted me to look into this subject. It might suprise you but behind those EBIL RACISTS are normal people. ",
"Dude thanks! \n\n “dinosaur-ant” I will remember for sure.\n\nAnd “license” is definitely one of those that occasionally forces me to question myself, though right now looking at it I can’t even recall why.\n\nIn fact “definitely” is most *certainly* another one which quite often causes my brain to glitch..",
"Yours is opinion at best.",
"That's true, but the sign is a broad statement with no reference to religion. Furthermore, 'science' in response to opposition is just an opportunity to re-explain the concept from a new or baren perspective. Good science doesn't have anything to fear.",
"Burden of proof is on you to support your own claim so anytime you want to solidify your argument, go for it. I'll save you time though: There is no evidence/data on either side that definitively proves or disproves that man-made climate change exists. It just simply doesn't. ",
"You asking which one is true displays your total lack of comprehension of my statement and/or the concept of symbolism. Stories do not gain their value from being accurate, though some are.",
"Ignoring opposing views and fuming \"wrong\" over and over does not help your position. This is not Beetlejuice.\n\nWhen in a hole, stop digging.",
"I mean neither.\n\nI mean \"some guy (probably not in a lab coat) published this, and then many others reproduced it, I don't understand all the details of the experiments but the result is probably right.\"",
"Your ideology against religion seems to act as a religion itself. The idea that religion has no purpose and does no good is its myth.",
"I'm guessing their education probably has nothing to do with Climate Change so it's not relevant and it's still ignorance on their part.",
"So you meant the first one, with the addition of more authorities.\n\nHow do you respond to the publishing bias, the p-hacking, and the dearth of reproduced work?",
"Aww how wholesome :) and thanks man!",
"In the end though they're right. You're not a scientist and there's a reason the majority of them disagree with you and literally no scientific organization on Earth denies anthropogenic climate change. You probably didn't understated what you were reading. You also likely have no argument that's based in reality despite how much you think it would, it wouldn't hold up 2 seconds in the academic world.",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method",
"Yeah I am definitely agreeing with ya. ",
"I often find these people have a very limited understanding of science and have quite often founded their choice in Atheism based upon a single book (normally a Dawkins), which I find rather ironic. ",
"See the \"probably\" part.\n\nSome fields are much better than others in these aspects, some are much worse.",
"I think the theory of evolution should be taught in a Philosophy class not a science one. There is no scientific backing for the theory. It has not been observed to happen, and It has not been repeated in testing. It is simply a theory supported by theories and the more science people understand the less plausible evolution becomes. I would say it is as bad a theory as the whole flat earth thing, but the flat earth people haven’t corrupted the amount of minds that evolutionists have. ",
"However, science is not policy and policy is not science. Real world policies, including those \"based on science\" have multiple effects - some intended, others not. Policy debate is not scientific debate and just because you think a policy is well founded in science doesn't mean it's effective for it's intended purpose in a complex world, and free of undesirable side effects for those who disagree with the policy.\n\nIn short, science is a starting point. Just because you characterize your policies as pro-science and alternative policies as anti-science, doesn't necessarily mean they're better policies.",
"But scientifically it isn't it's own person until it can survive outside the womb. Technically it's a parasite until it can survive without a direct link to the mother.",
"Again, facts in isolation are meaningless.\n\nWomen in the US are paid about 20% less than men.\n\nHow many times have you heard that parroted without any discussion of the fact that differences in career choice, ambition, leave taken, etc. explain almost all of the gap?\n\nI came to this thread expecting people to be open to the fact of European colonization's effect on the African continent and people.",
"Not really. You might not be familiar with the research, but you can google it up. Something like 60-80% of all published research is wrong. The worst bit is, when someone *does* bother to reproduce the work and finds that they get a null result, then many journals won't publish it.\n\nIt's a terrible old problem that people are trying to fix, but we're still in a bad place right now.\n\nThat is why your idea that you can rely on published results is not practical. There's no shortcut: you have to understand the research, or you cannot have a valid opinion, even a \"probably right\" is not valid.\n\nHell, it's actually more technically correct to say that if it's published, it's probably wrong.",
"[source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority#Use_in_science) \n>Another example recently involved the \"When contact changes minds: An experiment on transmission of support for gay equality\" paper. The paper was a fraud based on forged data, yet concerns about it were ignored in many cases due to appeals to authority. One analysis of the affair notes that \"Over and over again, throughout the scientific community and the media, LaCour’s impossible-seeming results were treated as truth, **in part because of the weight Green’s name carried\"** \n>The forger, LaCour, would use appeals to authority to defend his research: \"if his responses sometimes seemed to lack depth when he was pressed for details, his impressive connections often allayed concerns\", with one of his partners stating \"when he and I really had a disagreement, he would often rely on the kind of arguments where he’d basically invoke authority, right? **He’s the one with advanced training**, and his adviser is this very high-powered, **very experienced person...and they know a lot more than we do\"** \n\nIt's an appeal to authority if you're just trusting someone's statements because they know more than you do. \n\n>but it's not a fallacy as you claimed when the person can legitimately be deemed an authority on the subject. \n\nDo enlighten me, what is a \"legitimately deemed authority\"?",
"Gender never meant the same thing as sex. Gender was for words and sex was for humans. In 1926, Henry Watson Fowler stated that the definition of the word pertains to this grammar-related meaning:\n> \"Gender...is a grammatical term only. To talk of persons...of the masculine or feminine g[ender], meaning of the male or female sex, is either a jocularity (permissible or not according to context) or a blunder.\"",
"Evolution is backed up by an overwhelmingly amount of evidence, what are you talking about? Also it has been directly observed many times. You will not see big changes of course. Small changes happen gradually and it takes hundreds of thousands and millions of years for significant changes in the DNA. Evolution is on the same level as the theory of gravition. There is no reputable scientist who would think that the theory of evolution will ever be disproven because the evidence is just so overwhelming. From the DNA and it's similarities between the different species, observed changes in DNA in species, all the fossil records etc. Either you understand evolution and accept it or you don't understand how it works and deny it. If you do deny it, you would have to bring solid arguments since it's such a fundamentally proven theory. Like if you claim the earth isn't round. You are to disprove that the earth is round because it has been proven to be round, the evidence is there.",
"You're just wrong and continue to show a lack of basic biological concepts. \n\n1. Your stated condition is not what defines life\n\n2. A child in womb, no matter what stage of development, does not meet the biological definition of a parasite.\n \nThere are plenty of arguments that can be made in favor of abortion without getting fundamental science incorrect. \n",
"If you actually read your link, it doesn't say the age has actually been officially lowered. Doctors are considering it, that's it. Most of the article discusses puberty blockers and social transitioning. \n\nIf the suicide rate of transgender kids alarms you, you shouldn't deny them these treatments. And, honestly, that includes HRT. Trans kids deserve a puberty that won't make them commit suicide. ",
"You two sure sound like civil folk. ",
"The smug expression doesn’t validate anything.. ",
"For sure. I also never said the latter.",
"If it were as simple as you think for life to come from non life, I think it should have been able to be replicated in all this time. Newer findings have shown that early humans may not have actually been related to us at all, meaning the leap from them to us, or the many small leaps leading to us wouldn’t have been possible. And we agree biogenesis is a law. And a law means that there hasn’t been a single case in which the opposite could have occurred. So by our universes realm of possibility, abiogenesis couldn’t happen. And to get to the cave men species, the original one celled organism would have had to go through all the species before, which would mean it would have had to find its way out of the water. But that’s another thing that hasn’t been replicated. No fish made it to land and survived on its own. And for that to have happened initially, two would have had to make it to land at relatively the same time, and they would have had to be male and female of this new air breathing species with perfectly corresponding reproduction systems. That’s another impossibility. And for them to survive if all of that other miraculous stuff happened, other species would have had to already be up on land like plants to create oxygen. And then how could the new species on land survive through reproduction when inbred animals are known to have extreme birth defects? So say everything somehow happened just fine and life evolved on land, how would species like certain flowers survive when bees couldn’t have evolved yet? And vice versa. Darwin himself said we’d need transitional fossils in extreme abundance for his theory to be correct but we haven’t gotten many at all. And all of the ones I know of have extreme criticism saying that they aren’t transitional. Like Lucy, the biggest evolution find in history has been shown to be completely ape, not human in any way. And that’s how all of the transitional fossils have been, either completely one animal or completely the next. So the study you went into detail about wouldn’t apply if it can’t be proven that we came from said ancestors. But I don’t mean for my (most likely garbage in your mind) rebuttal to be taken rudely or anything. I think it’s really cool that you know so much in depth about that stuff. But for my argument for God, there is another law(who’s name evades me at the moment) that states that everything in the universe must have a cause. So it’s like a timeline. The first point is the beginning of time, and the timeline is still going on obviously. But each point on that line would be both a cause, and an effect bc each point causes the next point and was an effect of the point before it. And this timeline isn’t a straight line, more like a tree branching out for eternity. But it all must stem from one point, the beginning. The very first point would have to only be a cause, not an effect(this is the cause of the universe that the law talks about). But for the point to be only a cause, it would have to be something that works outside of our known realm of possibility. Some call it the Big Bang, but to that we know that explosions only cause destruction, they never cause order. You don’t bomb a junk yard and find built building in the ruble. But the universe follows perfect laws, like the laws of inertia, biogenesis, logic, etc. So it wouldn’t be unreasonable To rule out the Big Bang. And then another argument for God would be that science also proves that there cannot be a message with no writer. No book without an author, no language without an inventor, stuff like that. So if that’s true then how can we look at the most important message of all, DNA(the language that is responsible for all life we know of, perfect instructions that determine every single organism, that correct any mistakes in order to make each living thing perfectly unique) and just trust that it was made with no intelligent mind behind it? ",
"Gender was used for words, whether they were masculine or feminine, not for people. You can't even look up a Wikipedia page correctly.",
"What you are arguing is the status quo. I'd be surprised if you havent found someone to agree with you by now.\n\nYour right. Facts do have repercussions. They lead to more facts. Like why Koreans were able to join the ranks of the first world in less than half a century after plagued by war and famine become industrialize and surpass a lot of other countries.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_on_the_Han_River\n\nYou will not see the same development in africa. They had time to develop before colonization but they didnt. There's a reason Europeans industrialized first and it has everything to do with IQ and culture. And properties and inextricably linked to race",
"wrong. I know a 13 year old who has prescribed hormone treatments from their doctor. They absolutely do let them transition that young",
"tl;dr keep ragin",
"Said the LGBTQIAPK member....... -_-",
"License... I'm not sure why either! I tried intentionally misspelling it just now, and it just looked wrong.\n\nI hear ya with \"definitely\" for sure. Naturally, I want to go with \"defin**a**tely\" then I think of \"finite\" and that helps.",
"I didn't say it defined life. I said it defined personhood.\n\nAnd it fits the definition of a parasite more accurately then it does a person.",
"The underlying logic of this claim is identical to that of the claim being discussed. Just because you've learned the word \"whataboutism\" doesn't mean you have to use it, especially when it doesn't apply.",
"That is wrong. I've noticed with a lot of scientific controversy, a lot of the dissonance is within how we communicate.\n\nI've actually sat down and talked to a few stereotypical climate change deniers (no education, older white men, Republican, etc...).\n\nI have a graduate degree in statistics and am very familiar with research paper terminology. I'm very familiar with how scientist use these terms and I'm beginning to become very familiar with how uneducated people misinterpret this terminology.\n\nI have found that people with no science backgrounds often look for the practical effect of things. It's unfortunate and debated among many fields such as psychology and sociology of how research articles are published. Almost every publication requires that the findings are \"significant\". Let's look at many things that have been published which were \"significant\".\n\nMeat causes cancer. This is true.\n\nTv causes children to have trouble sleeping. This is true.\n\nClimate change is real. This is true.\n\nDo you see the problem? Something being statistically significant (and hence published) gives very little if any information on whether or not it is of practical importance.\n\nThe likelihood of meat causing cancer is so little, it was hard to reproduce even in mice. When presenting someone who is not science educated or doesn't care about science, of course they won't believe it. The effect of watching more than 3 hours of TV is about on average 15 minutes of less sleep at night.\n\nBack onto the topic of climate change. The only thing we are really good at doing is saying, yes mankind is impacting climate change, but once again, we are really bad at not only exercising the practical importance but we have yet to accurately predict the effect sizes to accurately understand time frames and what type of impacts we are looking at. It is also known the planet goes through large cyclical effects of temperature changes (in periods of thousands of years) and honestly do not have the data to estimate this accurately.\n\nI've learned that when people with no experience in science say they don't think it's real, it's better understood of them saying, \"I don't think it's of any practical concern\". Honestly I don't blame them either.\n\nI read lots of people involvement in science controversies. Everyone likes to participate in them, even people with and without science backgrounds. Very rarely, id say even as low as 1/10 of the time, do we ever mention any numbers of a science article. When discussions ever hit, it's always reduced down to the most basic response as, \"yes (or no) this is real\". The few stereotypical climate change deniers I have talked to later agreed more with \"it's not practically important in the grand scheme of things\" than, \"it doesn't exist.\"",
"No, it's \"cute\" speak for the Is/Ought dilemma. ",
"Might be an unpopular opinion, but all the weight loss and sober posts are starting to get old",
"> Do enlighten me, what is a \"legitimately deemed authority\"?\n\nIf you don't know how to determine whether somebody is a reasonable authority on a subject you have more issues than I can help with. Good luck to you. ",
"For what it's worth I'm not a flat-earther, you completely misunderstood my position, which just talked about what I think logic is or isn't. Have a nice day too :)",
"Your inability to understand that no 'science is settled' is what's really ignorant. \n\nI'm astonished you fuckers claim to be intellectual and yet don't bother checking sources, looking at different theories or data, and calling your conclusion the absolute truth. \n\nThat's ignorance in the extreme. ",
">also, there are **plenty of trans people who commit suicide AFTER transitioning**, so you can't even say that transitioning prevents suicide. **because it doesn't**.\n\nThis is false.\n\nhttps://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-015-1867-2\n\n* Transgender people who had social or parental support of their transgender identities have significantly less suicidal ideation, meaning they are less likely to seriously consider suicide. \n\n* Of those who seriously considered suicide, those with strong support were 82% less likely to attempt suicide than those without support.\n\n\n\n* Transgender people whose identification documents matched their gender identity are substantially less likely to seriously consider or attempt suicide.\n\n* *Transgender people who had undergone hormone replacement therapy or a gender confirmation surgery were less likely to seriously consider or attempt suicide than those who desired such medical changes but hadn't started.*\n\nI've read the Swedish study people cite when arguing your point. However, the author (Cecilia Dhejne) has stated that the study was \"not designed to draw conclusions on the efficacy of transgender surgeries\", yet people do exactly that. ",
"Well other scientists have written many papers and studies against the man made climate change myth but it simply dosnt get reported by mainstream media. You know Eisenstein was laughed at by scientific community for years during his publications? Galileo was on house arrest. Blindly believing the majority (the media for this matter) without investigating the data and the research yourself does not put you in the position of being in the right. ",
"Wikipedia is nice, and I use it all the time, but have you thought to check any [etymology dictionaries](https://www.etymonline.com/word/gender)? Many other dictionaries (Oxford, Webster, etc) all agree on this etymology, as well. They of course, also, list the modern academic use of 'gender' to refer to the social constructs. You really should do a little research before you make claims about reality. These things are often easy to prove.\n\nAs I've said several times, it's fine if you want to redefine a word, but don't get on a soapbox saying that your definition was the original when it clearly wasn't. Please \n\nIt was used for words, but also people. As I said, 'gender' and its ancestor forms were used to describe several kinds of groups. In fact, just a few centuries ago, it could be used to mean 'kind'.",
"Nah ",
"I don't think many of the reddit atheist types have thought their views through that much. Gnostic atheism is the same as theism in this context.",
"> Do you apply this to economics experts only?\n\n Economics is nice because unlike most other science, economics is often relevant to politics. \n\n>Do you have the capability to explain how your device processes the binary and hex codes from inside your computer through the internet to reddit?\n\nMore or less, yes. The theory is actually relatively simple, you don't need to understand the details to get the general gist. \n\nI'm not saying science is always wrong, or even mostly wrong. I'm just saying that the claims science makes are usually irrelevant to telling us what we \"should\" do. Science is descriptive. It can tell you \"we dropped this thing and it fell in this way\". It can't tell you \"is it morally justified to drop this bomb if doing so ends the war a month earlier\". The kind of questions science can answer are boring, materialistic and mathematical. Science (sometimes) gives the facts, but it doesn't tell you how you should act on those facts. And sometimes scientists gets things wrong. \n",
"> I am not doing the song and dance for the millionth time.\n\nAccording to your history you have been doing it all day. Was your change of heart recent?\n\n> People who deny the proven fact of man-made climate change are just as wrong as flat-Earthers and for exactly the same reason.\n\nIn 2004 the fact was that there were nine planets in our solar system. Now that is wrong.\n\nAt what point do you label something a scientific fact? What percentage of scientists must agree? 90%? 91%? 95%? Is the Big Bang Theory a proven fact? How about the theory of the expansion of the universe? Time? Gravity?\n\n\"...scientists don’t prove anything. What we do is collect evidence that supports or does not support our predictions. Sometimes we do things over and over again, in meaningfully different ways, and we get the same results, and then we call these findings facts. And, when we have lots and lots of replications and variations that all say the same thing, then we talk about theories or laws. Like evolution. Or gravity. But at no point have we proved anything.\" [1](https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/mind-guest-blog/im-a-scientist-and-i-dont-believe-in-facts/)\n\nYou seem to be confusing \"fact\" with some kind universal truth, like you are worshiping a God named Science who is omnipotent and must not be questioned.",
"What do you think puberty blockers are, candy?",
"what in the world does that have to do with mental illness?",
"Link leads to a ‘bit found’ error, not buying it...",
"I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm saying that the fact that not everyone has the same values is related to the is/ought dilemma.",
"👍 nice, keep avoiding the topic and hand, I see you got your degree at the same place as Hillary",
"It doesn't though. Nothing you are saying is correct",
"You don't take [losing](https://youtu.be/e3mxVjB4aqI?t=3) very well.",
"but what if they just believe what they want and cherry pick from science that only benefits their argument? don't cut yourself on that edge, lady.",
"> I don't care\n\nAnd yet here you are.\n\nI'm sorry, this must be difficult for you.",
"fine guess I gotta drop som science up in here.\n\nHere's a bit scientific consensus to prove otherwise.\n\nhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2754583/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7477289 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21618223 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10843193 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11826131 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15724806 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16140461 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16870186 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17765230 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18056697 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18980961 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18962445 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19341803 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20562024 http://cercor.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/8/1900.abstract http://www.eje-online.org/content/155/suppl_1/S107 http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v378/n6552/abs/378068a0.html http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.85.5.6564 A short video explanation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOY3QH_jOtE#t=1h23m52s Scientific consensus http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22051008 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22105293 http://www.psychiatry.org/File%20Library/Advocacy%20and%20Newsroom/Position%20Statements/ps2012_TransgenderCare.pdf http://www.gires.org.uk/assets/Medpro-Assets/AMA122.pdf http://www.wpath.org/site_page.cfm?pk_association_webpage_menu=1352&pk_association_webpage=3947 http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/about-ama/our-people/member-groups-sections/glbt-advisory-committee/glbt-resources/lgbt-health-resources.page http://www.apa.org/about/policy/transgender.aspx\n\nTrans is not by definition a mental disorder. One could make the argument that gender dysphoria is, but the consensus is that the best way to treat gender dysphoria is to transition.",
"reactionary or not, its the truth lmao",
"Even the bible itself doesn't advocate you pray as a way to sidestep ignoring fixable problems.",
"> Something like 60-80% of all published research is wrong.\n\nIn which field? Applied to individual studies (I guess), or things reproduced multiple times (what I was talking about)? Context matters. As an example, particle physics has reproduction rates of much better than 95%, basically everything is repeated, most published results are null results, and it is extremely rare that something does not get confirmed with later more precise studies.",
"so there are only 2 genders?",
"Most of those scientists practice very bad procedures. That's why they don't get reported. They don't have backing or evidence and practice very bad methods. I've read from both and there's always basic mistakes in climate denial papers. And just like your ideas they don't last in the academic world.\n\nI find your comparison to older scientists funny given that many early climate change scientists were thought the same but over time were proven right and won the consensus just like Einstein and Galileo. \n\nYour mistake is in believing the media is the main backer of climate change. The majority [of](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEb49cZYnsE) scientists are not the media and every scientific [organization](http://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of-scientific-organizations.html) on Earth is not the media.\n\nSorry buddy you're not our next Einstein facing backlash from the evil media you're just denying established fact in the face of mountains of evidence from people who know much more than you.",
"I saw that you cared about getting the last word. If only you could powertrip again and lock the thread!!\n\nIt's OK you can have it if you want. Bye.",
"Odd anecdotal comment (I'm still reading) but the very first abstract begins with the assertion that gender identity is a deeply held perception of all individuals. I'm already calling \"flawed.\" I have never perceived myself as having a \"gender.\" I have a male body - once even stereotypically athletically male, even if I am now down to only 4 pack abs (where the hell did the bottom 2 go?) - but I've never experienced gender in any way. \n\nWhat makes me a man? The label? That I enjoy playing hockey or football? The competitive edge? \n\nMaybe I'm a woman? What would make that? That I love a good long hot bath with a book? That I've been told I look quite fetching in a skirt? My taste in poetry, music and art? \n\nI find it personally ridiculous. I'm not trans. I'm comfortable in my body. But... I'm quite sure I would be comfortable in the opposite and flaunting some killer curves. So what's this deeply held perception? It seems like all we're talking is meaningless stereotypes, reinforced through this useless need to label and categorise it. I find the whole debate fascinating more than anything due to how little sense it makes. I find myself antagonized by the way it re-invokes gender rolls and stereotypes I thought we as a society were moving past.",
"It is pretty clear Merari sees the world as it wants to see it and not actually how it is. Based on its lack of ability to understand or take time understanding another viewpoint, it is the true reality denier and far more than climate change deniers",
"How many Genders did you say there are?\n",
"Verifying global warming is plausible.",
"That was extremely satisfying to watch. Poor guy. Too bad he deleted it all.",
"2003 they said snow wouldn't exist by 2017. But I should continue to believe them because they know so much more than me? You know all these scientific organizations are government funded organizations right. They are paid to find evidence about climate change. If they were to come out and say it's a natural process they would lose their jobs, so forgive my skepticism. ",
"Copy and paste it.",
"I also know a kid who was born with 6 fingers 9 nipples, 1 ear and he can breathe fire. It's true cause I said it.",
"No, it's not. People that think they are wombats are not the same as trans people. The guy he responded to talked about the actual definitions of sex and gender. The genius I responded to just picked a tired piece of whataboutism that is similar to the response republicans gave when people wanted to pass gay marriage. \"You can't pass gay marriage people will start marrying dogs and wallpaper\". Both have nothing to do with the I igual claim and are textbook whataboutism. ",
"I was pointing out the flaw in the argument....never intended to make a existential argument, it was pure logic.",
">we can infer that...\n\nNo, we can not.",
"Nah, it's true because they're a real person, and one of many",
"I searched for that and couldn't find any scientific report. Could you please link it?",
">no counterarguments then.\n\nYou didn't have an argument to counter, just kinda gibbered on about dogs.\n\n>Do you really believe evolutionary pressures where exactly equal in the African Jungle as in Europe? Do you really think cold winters didn't have any effect?\n\nProvide peer reviewed evidence.",
"It's weird how he was talking about the surgery and you were talking about lifetime of support groups like it was the same thing...",
"And you make some racist ass remarks with no substance to them.",
"You unironically post in sjwhate. \n\n",
">2003 they said snow wouldn't exist by 2017.\n\nNo, they didn't and this is evidence to me you're not reading what you say you are.\n\n>But I should continue to believe them because they know so much more than me? You know all these scientific organizations are government funded organizations right. They are paid to find evidence about climate change. If they were to come out and say it's a natural process they would lose their jobs, so forgive my skepticism\n\nI know that they're organization you benefit from everyday whether you know it or not. I always wonder how you people go through life being so skeptical of such organizations. How do you get in plane with so much distrust of an organization like NASA? How do you get prescriptions from a doctor with so much distrust of organization like the CDC?\n\nYou just said that there are scientists publishing studies that disagree with the anthropogenic climate change so how can you in the same breath say they'd lose their jobs? How can you contradict yourself so soon? No, they can publish such studies but there's no evidence behind them and when they do, they're always refuted by other scientists because they're always wrong. That's not some massive conspiracy it's how science works.\n\nAgain this shit is all in your head.\n\nYou have no evidence scientists are losing their jobs from the big bad government for disagreeing with climate change it's just something you want to believe.\n\nJust like you want to believe climate change is a natural process, so you only justify material that agrees with that view and call the rest a conspiracy. Just like flat earthers just like antivaxxers who you probably laugh at.\n\nI'm sorry man it's ok to admit you're wrong and you're wrong on this. Just analyze what you're saying. You think it's more likely that thousands upon thousands of scientists who are passionate about what they study and lying for well nothing given most don't make much and somehow nobody has slipped the word on this but fossil fuels corporations and the politicians they buy out are more likely telling the truth about something they have no education in. If you're really willing to believe that like I said before I don't know how you get through the day being so distrustful of scientific organizations that allow you to live in such an amazing technologically advanced world.",
"Jesus Christ.\n\nTaking a study at random. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16140461\n\nDigit ratios, awesome.\n\nExposure to prenatal androgens seems to be negatively correlated with a larger 2D:4D ratio. So, women have a larger ratio than men. Once again, read the magic word, **correlation**. Causality isn't there.\n\nNow, what could this mean? Well, simply put, it could mean that feminine men decided that they were the wrong gender. Why? Insecurity, sexual market failure, lack of male camaraderie, etc. I can go on forever as this webs off into infinity.\n\nNext up, similar study, but Serbian - given that yours was behind a paywall and as cryptic.\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4054789/figure/fig1/\n\nIlluminating figure, eh? Not so much. \n\nDid they use statistical significance to give us a clearer picture of the variances and the means? No. The study you linked likely didn't do so either, as it's usually very evident in the abstract.\n\nHow about some more confusion. Researchers found that men with lower ratios work harder to [impress women](https://www.journals.elsevier.com/journal-of-consumer-psychology/forthcoming-articles/testosterone-at-your-fingertips-digit-ratios-2d4d-and-rel2/), and [are nicer](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0191886914006400). Oh, could it be that failing and romantic relationships creates an inclination to abandon their actual gender?\n\nNevertheless, isn't that weird? More masculine men would be nicer to women and more willing to please? \n\nHigher rates of anxiety in higher digit ratios. Oh boy, mental illness is now comes out of the dark.\n\nHomosexuals tend to have higher digit ratios......in some populations. And extremely lower in others. \n\nI could go on and on, but I think you get the gist. There are so many traits linked to the digit ratio, that you'd have to control for them all to actually get an answer. And even then, there will be confounds lurking in the dark. Science is hard, right? That's why I left academia...well, not really. I left because I like money too much.\n\nP.S. None of that is a consensus, it's just a bunch of related studies by SJWs who don't care about strict scientific method.",
"Because you said so? Nice. 👌",
"r/2reddit4me",
"Dat logical positivism doe. Muh boy Rupert Carnap’s got a hard on in his grave right now.",
"And people who are XXY, or XXX, or other chromosomal anomalies? Do they just not exist?",
"One time, through simple logic, I got a person of your school of thought to admit that a 5'7 tall man could actually be 6'5 tall. That was a good time. Trans racialism will always be the GOAT however because per the logic it has to be possible, but sjws are more scared of making a black person mad than just about anything so they don't know what to do. Lol.",
"> Pedophiles are probably their next \"victims\" they want you to support. Maybe rapists after that.\n\nNah, that's the GOP's thing.",
"Thanks, and it specifically said in the article “The frequency of individuals receiving “corrective” genital surgery, however, probably runs between 1 and 2 per 1,000 live births (0.1–0.2%).” This statistic doesn’t match up with number of live births where the child has red hair, which is much closer to 2-6%",
"So, you're just going to ignore all the other variables like environmental factors, quality of education, local economy, upbringing, experience at schools, methods of learning, availability of textbooks and internet access? \n\nThat is *not* science. That is wilful ignorance.",
"So you obviously support James Damore, since men and women have huge enormous mental differences, right?",
"Citation needed.",
">There are many scientific papers which are complete garbage. How would a lay man distinguish between research done properly and research trying to disguise itself as science? \n\nHard. Even for practicing scientists, it take experience and time to see through bullshit. A rule of thumb for good papers are that they are highly cited by other papers, usually within a short time. The rate depends on the field. I will say a hot field like genetics and CRISPRS, a good paper will likely be published in a high impact journal with over 50 cites within a year or so. Cooler fields with a smaller community like biogeology , a good paper might be 50 cites in 5 years. \n\nEven then, this is not fool proof, it just means that the paper has a lot of impact and the community is noticing and wants to replicate and develop whatever was in the paper even further. Whether things will pan out is often hard to say as research is never certain. A impactful paper might have a certain breakthrough that caught everyone's attention, but on further examination, it was not as good as we thought and the hype die down but there are already a lot of papers citing that one paper. Very seldom do you see a retraction which usually is huge news because it means that the stuff in the paper is really complete shit and the authors are either lying, fabricated shit or were so sloppy that somehow they got insanely good false positive results. Peer review is suppose to filter those but sometimes it didn't work.",
"That is the percent of people who receive corrective surgery. The two sentences right before that one says those who are neither male nor female make up about 2% of the population. \n\nAccording to the Google search \"what percentage of the population has red hair\": \n>2 percent\n>About 1 to 2 percent of the human population has red hair. Redheads have genes to thank for their tresses. Research shows red hair usually results from a mutation in a gene called MC1R, which codes for the melanocortin-1 receptor. The pigment found in redhair that makes it red is called pheomelanin.",
"https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7pdblv/argument_from_ignorance/dsgm6ev/",
"so its all basically made up and has no basis? I can measure the exact shade of grey and reproduce it. I cannot invent my own shade of grey.",
"Only 36% approval rating. ",
"Stock mkt, unemployment, GPD, Only setting records daily",
"Calling someone by the wrong name isn't harassment. ",
"No. Repeatedly calling someone something they don't want to be called is.",
"> the actual definitions of sex and gender. \n\n🤔\n",
"Apparently, your reading comprehension is lacking. I said \"MAY BE PROVEN\" not \"WILL BE PROVEN\"\n\n>Once a theory is established, like evolution or plate tectonics, there's an **INCONCEIVABLY SMALL CHANCE** ...\n\nYes, there is a SLIM, improbable chance that theories would ever be proven wrong. But they are probably the \"best\" known scientific term which I used to make an okay example. The key point is, things we may believe are 100% correct can possibly be shown that we were wrong in the first place.\n\nThe sentiment is to understand that Science as a whole is always evolving and learning",
"Are you a Russian shill, or did the Russian shills break you?\n\nAre you really trying to argue that rallying your side has no effect? Have you fucking watched the lord of the rings? No one rider of Rohan made the difference at Helm's Deep, but Theoden's speech undoubtedly strengthened their charge. Morale is half the battle.\n\nThe Russians want us to feel helpless. The helpless don't vote, it's pointless. ",
"Reread my comment.",
"http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jan/08/donald-trump/how-accurate-donald-trumps-about-black-hispa/",
"Russia, environment, net neutrality, North korea, twitter, asshole",
"Depends how you define a foot and an inch. In two different systems with the same names, a 5'7\" man *could* be 6'5\" tall. Has nothing to do with gender though.",
"Let me answer with a question: Do you think Adderall is candy?",
"Same reason you gave thought you would appreciate it.",
"It isn't just about silly made up pronouns, it's about she/he and the infamous \"they.\" If you look like a man, people are going to call you he. No one is going to call you \"they\" right from the start either, because that's ridiculous. \n\nI should be able to refer to any individual with any pronoun that I wish, whether it's what they want me to use or not. Plenty of people on the left (I'm in the center, for the record) support legislation that would make that hate speech, I know because I used to associate with a lot of them when I was politically active on the left.\n\nThe entire point I'm trying to focus on is that these things are irrelevant. If you want to cut your own dick off, go for it. That's none of my business or anyone else's. Just don't expect society to see that as anywhere near normal, and don't try to legislate it or push your agenda on children who can't make the decision for themselves. Sounds familiar, right? Same thing happens with religion. ",
"No. It's something that is over-prescribed and damaging to kids as well as young adults.",
"I sexually Identify as a Redditor. Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of browsing over the internet and reposting transphobic \"memes\" and racist jokes. People say to me that an emotionally mature, intelligent person being a redditor is impossible but I don't care, I'm beautiful. I'm having a neurosurgeon remove my ability to feel empathy for other people. From now on I want you guys to call me \"Redditor\" and respect my right to belittle people who are different to me. If you can't accept me you're an SJW and need to learn how to take a joke. Thank you for being so understanding.",
"I think that eugenics is a better example than flat earth. There are a ton of misunderstandings about when flat earth stuff was believed. ",
"Shouldn't have any issues with those laws unless you are an edgelord. ",
"There aren’t any other superpowers.",
"And denying that XX = female and XY = male.",
"Chromosomes determine sex, not gender.",
"Just FYI, the NY Times is an awful source for anything on conservatives.",
"Scientism != science. And tons of scientists are religious, especially as scientism isn’t required to be able to do science. ",
"You’re assuming the same thing as her here when you say it’s maybe because of a lack of understanding. Just FYI.",
"Actually the vast majority are secular. About 5% are religious and that number drops sharply in fields of biology and physics. But that wasn't the point being made earlier anyway. ",
"No I'm not, that's why I said \"maybe\"",
"http://www.pewforum.org/2009/11/05/scientists-and-belief/\n\n>According to the poll, just over half of scientists (51%) believe in some form of deity or higher power; specifically, 33% of scientists say they believe in God, while 18% believe in a universal spirit or higher power. \n\nWhere the crap are you getting your number? Because the evidence says otherwise. ",
"I didn't ask you. Go tell someone who cares. ",
"You're kind of right. My bad. There was worldwide surveying done and the numbers aren't that nuanced. I got it from a Degrasse Tyson quote that he has claimed over and over. Thank you for correcting me. https://m.phys.org/news/2015-12-worldwide-survey-religion-science-scientists.html ",
"What is? ",
"Groups and clubs serve a purpose as they bring together like people with common interests. Religions tend to rely on fear mongering which leverage people's superstitions with ridiculous concepts like \"burning in hell\" so as to \"convert\" people and empower themselves. This is horrible and frankly needs to be outlawed.",
"with research and cognition. Not everyone is a dumbass.",
"Self? ",
"It’s likely different in different countries. ",
"Ohh you so smart\nAnd thank you science for the bomb ",
"> 11 fingers\n\nSince fingers are physical, they are subject to reality, and thus not philosophical.",
"The correlation is that both are caused by hormone action. Hormones control the entire body though so every aspect could be correlated.",
"Did you read this article you sent? It says his claims are “mostly true”? It further backs up the point.",
"In the article, it also says that it wasn't because of him. It was because of Obama's policies. I did read the article. ",
"ecnedive spmurt noinipo\n",
"I wish",
"I agree! Those idiots will never get the truth!",
"Russia - proven false narrative paid for by Clinton, will concede on environmental issues, net neutrality - internet worked fine before enactment in 2015 please tell me a real reason why you are in favor of more gov regulation in the internet, North Korea - come on finally someone stands up to this murderous regime, who care about twatter. \n\n“Asshole” is telling bc so many people want to vote for a “nice guy” but just like my choice in choosing a Dr. I want the guy who is going to do what’s best fo my health, not be the “nicest guy.” Admittedly he coms off as a douche, but who cares if the average American life is improved under him.\n\nOh yeah, forgot to mention tax reform",
"Ballbang 96?",
"Biological sex? No it isn't. It is a key part the very instruction that make up the human body.",
"Either psychology is *not* a science (in which case scientists and science would have no place in the discussion), or it *is* science (where psychologists would be the experts on the “science” of gender and they already agree that gender, like sexual preference, exists on a spectrum). \n\nOr perhaps you are confusing physiology (sex organs) with the modern sociopsycological definition of gender. In which case scientists would still disagree with you that sex is binary since there are clear examples, even in humans, of a range of combinations of physiological organs that can make up a person’s biological sex.",
"I didn’t see that part and re-read several times. It’s ok though, we are living in the NOW not when Obama was president. And right NOW the employment rates, are lowest, stock mkt is highest and oh yeah food stamp participation is at record low.....but guess all those are bc of Obama too.\n\nAlso, ISIS defeated, tax reform I can keep going. And we are only a year in, buckle up for more MAGA",
"Except that psychologists agree that gender is not binary. And biologists agree that sex is not binary. So you’re a science denier.",
"*tips*",
"man, if only a majority of americans believed gop lies like you!",
"Psychologists and biologists disagree. Soooo... what “scientists” are you talking about? Trump doesn’t count. Pence doesn’t count either. Nor does Alex Jones.",
"“Evidence Trumps Opinion”, for anyone who needs to know what the back says",
"Your opinion of “a non-sentient bundle of 12 human cells should have all the same rights I do” is just as indefensible. At best. ",
"Thank you for taking that insult like a champ, I’m sure you’re used to taking things like a champ...",
"What I can't read is that dead-ass link.\n\nHonestly, 40% of transgender people attempt suicide so the problem really will just sort itself out if we leave it alone.",
">And right NOW the employment rates, are lowest, stock mkt is highest and oh yeah food stamp participation is at record low.....**but guess all those are bc of Obama too.**\n\nCorrect. That was my point. One year isn't long enough for a President to create that major of a change in the economy that fast. That all is very much because of Obama's policies. \n\n>ISIS defeated\n\nhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/931657001",
"Haha, sweet retort. As far as measurable metrics go you cant lie: economy, tax, unemployment, you know the things working Americans care about, not Twatter\n\nCome on xe, please try and see through the MSM and liberal agenda. ",
"> economy, tax, unemployment\n\nman, obama sure did a great job getting us out of that recession. i hope it's revealing that the only thing trump has going for him is he hasn't managed to destroy our economy yet.\n\nsee through it? what does that even mean? hell if CNN is turning us into a gay communist utopia sign me the fuck up :)",
"Her face is so smug.",
"Uh, yes one year is enough to effect the economy like it has been done. Bc it's based on optimism. What policies of Obama are responsible for the booming economy again. WAKE UP!\n\nhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/818B284E-C465-11E7-BFE9-BAAC967E0E54\n\nAlso, again did you read the whole article you sent? It says Trumps act to give decision making power back to the Generals \"significantly accelerated the pace of war\". ",
"How do you classify sentience? Are people in a coma sentient? Are you not a bundle of cells? That bundle of cells will become a human being if left to its natural processes. ",
"See through the controlled and coordinated messaging of MSM/Hollywood/Dems. Before you say Fox blah blah, them too. Ok, now you are off the rails. Gay communist utopia....i hate to tell you but gays don't really fair to well under communism. Another fact lost on the left",
"Potentially. So will a sperm and an egg, potentially. Is it murder to kill a sperm on an egg? Is it murdering all potential humans you might possibly create if you do not try to fertilize every egg possible with every sperm possible? It’s just your opinion. Your feelings on the matter.",
"after seeing people like you post, I'm not surprised he'd feel that way tbqh",
"Ok. Have fun arguing on Reddit, SJW.\n\nXX, XY",
"Haha, you don’t even know that there are other combinations of chromosomes? This isn’t an argument, it’s an execution.",
" I just knew an SJW like yourself would get triggered by that...lol. \n\nGo Trump",
"Cool, a bunch of ad hominems and a lazy comment about a 404’ed link. You could at least attempt to refute the points made by the articles. Try harder.",
"When do babies become \"viable\"? ",
"so i've been thinking about bipartisanship for a while now. i always seem to get in weird reddit spats a lot, and every time i try to see it from the other side's point of view.\n\ni know what you're thinking. you're a southern man, you have guns, wife, you love trump's message and how he's bringing back jobs to the americans and how he's been raising our GDP. it's easy to understand why you love him and in ur situation, i'd probably be wearing a maga cap as well.\n\nnow i need you to think about it from my perspective. as i'm sure you can guess from my post history in /r/popheads and desire for a utopia, i'm lgbt. i grew up in a small town in ohio, where i really felt ostracized from my classmates because of my sexuality. i asked a girl out to homecoming one year (in denial, of course) and the heat from her body was the best memory of that night. not her boobs or her figure, but just how she felt. it felt amazing to actually know someone loved me and wanted to be pressed up against me. (side note-- i keep on seeing this commercial for some coming out play or movie? anyway, the kid is like \"dear katy, i kissed a girl-- and i hated it!\" And he tells this girl he has to run, and some goofy music started playing. i fucking hate that. finding your sexuality is not like that. it's a whole lot of double guessing, pretending you didn't just jerk off to two guys doing it, pretending that you actually love women and you can fool around with ur friends telling them you're an ass guy [which technically isn't a lie]. so yea. do not like that at all). that's why i was drawn to democrats. these were old people who actually supported lgbt rights, something that doesn't exist in my town. that's how i started getting involved in politics because i felt like i had found people who i actually identified with.\n\nnow i'm in college, i'm majoring in environmental science. i recently did a paper on the effect of climate change on birds and the gop refusal to acknowledge it is another major turn off to the republican party for me. i was a bernie bro during the primaries; i loved his message of tearing down the establishment, and universal healthcare (especially because my family suffers from a pretty debilitating disease that's too specific to say here). and he lost, so i supported hilary, because at least i'd have someone who would fight for lgbt rights, who would fight for the environment, and yea maybe she is an old out of touch politician who has a shady past but i just want someone to fight for me. then election day happened, and i surprisingly wasn't too upset.\n\ni figured trump would reform and fill the shoes of the presidency, grow up, and get off twitter. i don't agree with a lot of his policies but i liked infrastructure, and i hoped he'd deliver on that.\n\nnow we're a year in, and he's still acting like a baby on twitter. making up nicknames for people; idk, it just seems really embarrasing for our country a sitting US president to say things like soggy steve or whatever. i've seen him have his dumbass spat with north korea, and it seems he's pretty evenly matched with kim jong un. i've seen him try to sell off parks, appoint a climate change denier to the head of the epa, i've seen him start a voter fraud commission then disband it when he had to share the evidence with democrats. i've seen him speak with a 5th grade level vocabulary. i've seen him do his weird fucking handshake thing. and i do not like it.\n\nso from my point of view, president trump is an absolute disgrace to this country. and yea, go ahead supporting him because i know i cannot change your mind but you need to realize something. this is my life. i'm a whole person with all of my life's lessons infused in me, and you're over there calling me crazy and off the rails for believing what i believe in and what i've grown up with and it's insulting.\n\nhollywood is liberal. cnn and msnbc are liberal. but so am i. i'm not a product of their views, i'm a product of my own. and maybe those are just people like me who want to get their message across, and their celebrity helps them do that. hell, you do know there's a ton of conservative celebraties as well? roseanne, rob lowe? but artists living in california likely won't be conservative.\n\nso yea. that's me. that's why i don't like trump. i'm not the media, i am me.",
"> Gender never meant the same thing as sex.\n\noh for the love of god. I can't tell if you're actually stupid enough to believe this, are trying to rewrite history, or are just trolling.\n\nThe root word \"gene-\" literally means \"given birth to\". hence \"geneology\", \"gene\", \"congenital\", and...ya know...\"genital\". I don't care what Henry Watson Fowler says in the 1920s, he doesn't get to create history.\n\nWebster's [original English dictionary](http://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/gender) in 1828:\n> 2 A sex, male or female.\n\n\"never\", my ass. ",
"No feelings on the matter. Birth begins at conception and that's the only line to be drawn. Any other point in the birth cycle has a parallel in human life",
"I was actually thinking more about his choice for the head of the EPA than his Twitter history, or is that just trolling, too?",
"Lol exactly.",
"Indeed, vaccines are important, but blind trust in them is just as ridiculous and damaging and blind hate and denial.\n\nThere have been horrendous atrocities done to people with vaccines, and the public needs to be stringently protected against such abuses.",
"That's not entirely true. ",
"I was actually referencing [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqgSO8_cRio).",
"> Now that I’m presented with evidence that proves I am retarded, I will claim I was only *pretending* to be retarded to *trigger* you! Lololololol! \n- You",
"Can you demonstrate that blacks cause these higher rates of murder? Or do you just have a potentially spurious correlation to fall back on?",
"Can you demonstrate that blacks cause these higher rates of murder? Or do you just have a potentially spurious correlation to fall back on?",
"Can you demonstrate that blacks cause these higher rates of murder? Or do you just have a potentially spurious correlation to fall back on?",
"[Over half of psychology studies fail reproducibility test](https://www.nature.com/news/over-half-of-psychology-studies-fail-reproducibility-test-1.18248).\n> John Ioannidis, an epidemiologist at Stanford University in California, says that the true replication-failure rate could exceed 80%\n\nPsychology is such a terrible field of study it even takes up like 50% of the wiki article about the modern [\"Replication crisis\"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis)\n> Replication failures are not unique to psychology and are found in all fields of science.[13] However, several factors have combined to put psychology at the center of controversy. Much of the focus has been on the area of social psychology,[14] although other areas of psychology such as clinical psychology have also been implicated.\n\n>Firstly, questionable research practices (QRPs) have been identified as common in the field.[15] Such practices, while not intentionally fraudulent, involve capitalizing on the gray area of acceptable scientific practices or exploiting flexibility in data collection, analysis, and reporting, often in an effort to obtain a desired outcome...\n\ni'm not saying psychology should be ignored, there's clearly some rigor buried somewhere in there. but it's about as flimsy as science gets, and is in an absolutely terrible state right now. you can try and hide behind the infallibility of \"science\" if you want, but it sure as fuck ain't math or physics.",
"Birth begins at conception. ... Whut.",
"*life",
"All the arguments and evidence has been provided. It is there. So no burden on me. You just need to look at it rather than stick your head in the sand,",
"Ooh look it's the libbies' go-to buzzword! ",
"Ah, yes, life. Living cells that might potentially one day become a person. Indeed.",
"so im guessing you have no response. i hope you at least read what i said.",
"No... Sperm on its own will never become a person. The fusion of male and female gametes to form a zygote. This fertilization occurs when a man and a woman have sexual intercourse resulting in conception. Get it now? ",
"A zygote on its own will never become a person either.",
"I def do, typing it out on laptop",
"This fucker.",
"It does develop into an embryo, which can become a human. ",
"I'm a triggerer SJW - You",
"Yes but that .05 percent outliers we used to call gender dysmorphia and treat it as a mental disorder now we just let the inmates run the asylum and spread mental illness onto children and others. ",
"1) Why is this contradictory to the notion of god?\nYou make a lot of assumptions here, which is why I called u subjective.\n",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer_review",
"I was talking about back before then. I was replying specifically to \"Gender and sex were interchangeable until a group of outspoken dipshits decided they weren't and then forced their restructured definition of the terms on everybody.\"\n\nAristotle and Protagoras defined the word to be about masculine and feminine variants of words and it was a few hundred years before people conflated it with sex in the early 1800s or maybe before then. I'm not denying that the definition got changed over time I'm denying which way that happened.",
"I think a more fitting example you could have given me was \" The theory I was given on how fire extinguishers work doesn't convince me. However I understand that they do work so it could be anything else until I am satisfied that 'x' is how they do work.\"",
"That is indeed an example of what that sign is calling out.",
"That's a pretty good way to tell everybody you don't understand even the barest fundamentals of psychology.",
"No, you don't. You think you do, but humans aren't robots, the best you can manage is trying to ignore feelings you can easily recognize, but the emotions that you don't immediately recognize, and even those you're trying to ignore, heavily influence your decision.",
"The link is working, the problem is on your side. \n\n>Honestly, 40% of transgender people attempt suicide so the problem really will just sort itself out if we leave it alone.\n\nHow do you figure that? Why would suicide rates *drop* if we ignore the issue, we've been ignoring the issue for decades and the rates stayed at that level.",
"psssst, there's a fuckload about humans psychology that simply cannot be parsed in biology because we don't know literally everything there is about the human brain. that doesn't make psychology bunk just because a separate field can't contextualize some of it within its own framework",
">If you look like a man, people are going to call you he.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_(gender)\n\n>I should be able to refer to any individual with any pronoun that I wish, whether it's what they want me to use or not. Plenty of people on the left (I'm in the center, for the record) support legislation that would make that hate speech\n\nIntentionally trying to trigger [dysphoria](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria) in individuals known to be more prone to anxiety and depression is pretty blatantly hateful.",
"Trump fans like to say 'What about Hillary' in order to deflect from the many idiocies of Trump",
"Alright, so you're just full of shit. I really should get used to this.",
"no",
"False. It is definitively impossible to debunk facts. \n\n",
"There's a filter you can use to select for academic field, type of content, etc. I don't know what you mean by \"scientific report,\" are you talking about like a peer-reviewed journal article? Maybe that'll help. But either way \"come up with the exact number of genders and get back to me\" is a stupid thing to say. The current research suggests it is myopic to assume that there are only two genders with absolute conformity across every individual.\n\nAnyway [here's](http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0170241) one I found pretty quickly linking gender nonconformity to an innate biological marker (in this case handedness).\n\n[Here's](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-biosocial-science/article/birth-order-and-androphilic-maletofemale-transsexualism-in-brazil/612B7D40722C0CF2DDC769C1AC17189E) another linking gender nonconformity to the fraternal birth order effect, in much the same way as homosexuality is linked to same.\n\n[Google Scholar](https://scholar.google.com) is also a fine tool and you might find it easier to use.",
">I can measure the exact shade of grey and reproduce it. I cannot invent my own shade of grey.\n\nBut that's literally my exact point. An individual's gender is not an invention. In what way does that contradict what I said?",
"The classic concern troll rises again",
"The Trumpers have learned and refined Concern Trolling in the great year of 2018. ",
"Do you need a hug? ",
"Meanwhile the alt-reich is super triggered an anti-trump flag exists\n\nhttp://www.tmz.com/2017/12/06/shia-labeouf-he-will-not-divide-us-flag-thieves-names-suspects/",
"You're making even less sense than Trump",
"I like your style, kid.",
"Oh look, he even used the word 'global'. How adorable.",
"Why are you complaining about the use of the word 'Deplorable'? You the_donald members LIKE that word. You call yourself that all the time. ",
"The idea that you want to outlaw something that you can't define concretely is ridiculous. And leverage of fear will be achieved through any corrupt powers irrelevant of the medium. \n\nSpirituality is a quality shared by all successful and lasting cultures through history. Most modern religious people who aren't zealots fighting to get on the news do not take the stories of their group literally enough to make the flaws you seem to think are inherent to the practice.\n\nThose stupid enough to be swayed by corrupt religious leaders may well appreciate you're correction of their ways, but most need not the condescendence you offer universally to anyone of any amount of spirituality. ",
"U wot m8? ",
"Sign ... guess you're a troll. G'day. ",
"Earth is spherical in 3D dude. ",
"Cool",
"and how is that exactly?",
"I’m a triggerer? So I triggered someone? Was it you? (I think it was.)",
"Those are birth defects, not their own genders.\n\nThere are both men and women with down syndrome so there are still only 2 genders.\n\nThere are also intersex birth defects.",
"lol. Have you been living under a rock? Ever heard of epstein? bill clinton? lolita express? holywood child actors? etc etc etc\n\nedit: by the way, I'm not saying there aren't republican pedophiles. There was a pedophile republican speaker of the house (Dennis Hastert). It's just not ONLY republicans. \n\nIt's also why there are republicans who have been anti-trump from the beginning. [Because this is what Trump said about it in 2012](http://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/255294883680632833) and it's also why he has been fighting human trafficking this whole year.",
"How are amphetamines detrimental to kids?\n\nOr how they are over-prescribed whenever kids act rowdy and are deemed to have ADHD? ",
"I’m not saying there is no philosophical question to be answered. I’m saying the other comment tried to argue that it’s a simple scientific question so I replied with a scientific answer, and then suddenly the goalpost is shifted to a philosophical question.",
"> Yes. And the Sceintologist would be wrong and stupid.\n\nThat would be a more powerful statement if you had not managed to screw up the main word in a 9 word sentence. :)",
"...proving my point...",
"When they can survive outside the mothers womb. That's what viable means in this context.",
"Never once has a species been observed to produce any sort of benificial mutation. A species can only produce that which is already contained within its genetic code. Variations occur within the species but only things already contained in the genetic code can it actually produce. A species has never been seen to produce any information that it did not previously contain. The fossil record proves nothing. It shows different species died. There should be millions of transitional species for every single species and there are none. The so called ones you say they have are either the fake ones or they are small fragments where they have no way of knowing what the species they are trying to put together even looks like. The More studies I do on the fossils people find the more evidence there is proving how bogus the theory of evolution really is. It seems to me that people want evolution to be true so bad that they are willing to go to extreme length to prove it even if it means exaggerating information. The theory is literally a bad theory held together by other bad theories. No facts just assumptions and and poorly executed connections. ",
"> Good science doesn't have anything to fear.\n\nSadly that is not true.... That is why people are getting riled up so much about it. Today it feels facts matter less and less and demagoguery is all it counts. ",
"Sorry, but I stopped reading after your first two sentences because it doesn't make sense arguing with someone who doesn't know anything about evolution. I suggest you to inform yourself about evolution before you start arguing about it because you clearly have no understanding of the matter. Your first two sentences alone show that you have no clear understand of what DNA actually is, how it can change through mutations and you probably never heard of allele. I don't even think you know what a mutation is, which is apparent by your answer. ",
"not valuing fact, linking fact to value, as in deriving morality from empirical observation\n\nlook up 'is and ought'\n\nthis is something Harris has a particularly poor interpretation of because he is very scientifically minded, but doesn't understand where the actual scientifically derived world stops and he begins to fill his worldview from science in an unscientific manner (which is why I brought it up as an example, in general I like Harris)\n\nI'm not saying anyone is making an actual religion around science, but people are filling in the gaps left by actual religion by extrapolating religious function from things like science (and politics and celebrity and materialism and so on).\n\nyou're defining religion as dogma (which btw is something typified by the new atheists - a cartoonish simplification of traditional religions - this is exactly what I'm talking about, it's a psuedo-religious belief based on a scientific movement), but what we're talking about is the archetypal meaning and moral base from which we interpret the world.",
"Incredible mental gymnastics.... yes\n\nJust look at the Kalam argument, it stretches the reasoning to such a point that the exact same argument could be used against the existence of god. And even if the argument would be solid, it is still completely irrelevant since it leaves a huge gap between \"original cause\" and the actual god of bible (or any other god). \n\nProblem with all theological reasoning is, that it always starts from top and tries to make it to the bottom (hence called apologetics). \n\nIt starts with the premise \"there is such and such god, how can we make arguments to validate it\" instead of \"lets do experiment and observations, gather evidence, reason logically see where it leads us\".\n\nTheological philosophy is all about using all possible philosophical \"tools\" to make the god work, except it usualy doesn't (god of gaps of course works but that in itself can be considered a falacy) and they still end up contradicting themselves or committing logical fallacies that they then try to disguise or hide...\n\nBut that is only addressing some of the more \"competent\" theological philosophy, which most of the preachers are not really proficient at anyway and not to even mention that the bible(and any other holy text), that is itself is so vague and full of contradictions that one can draw whatever conclusion he/she wants from it. From X is a religion of peace to X demands death to all Y are both valid conclusions at least where is X is any of the abrahamic religions. \n\nI will however concede that there are arguments why in some cases it is good that \"one believes in god\". That is: some people are better of happy or have solace with religion than being depressed, or in unbearable grief or what not. Kind of like a natural drug against anxiety, uncertainty and existential crisis. So yea nothing wrong with being religious if you keep it to yourself. ",
"Oh ok sorry but that point was not clear from your first post. It could have been addressing actual science just as well. \n\nYeah that is one of the problems, specially of the media (that is than read by \"stupid reditors\" as you call them) to present non-reviewed research papers of some fringe org (possibly even sponsored by a ideological group) as mainstream-science. Hack even in peer reviewed papers some bullshit science can come trough (P-hacking) specially where the evidence is limited statistical data on some very complex systems. So yeah just \"believing\" in any new scientific paper that comes out is very very wrong, the correct reaction to any new scientific \"breakthrough\" should be strong scepticism (which usually is in the scientific circles) and only when there is a scientific consensus about it should be treated as mainstream science.",
"Amusingly, it would also be a great statement if the \"EVIDENCE\" was crossed out.",
"I rest my case ",
"goddamn dude i already explained ALL that shit to you. its almost 100% economics, those asians you are talking about while maybe not apparently wealthy by American standards are the rich or lucky ones from their countries who could afford to immigrate. they are highly educated, not all asians are, i told you before i live in china and i can tell you there is significantly more illiteracy and vagrancy than in the US and it is almost all on account of wealth, or lack thereof in this case. your iq argument is nonsense because the tests for that are culturally biased to begin with not to mention the fact that i already explained to you the reason for lower education in black communities is schooling and the funding that dictates said schooling. think about the trailer park poor whites of Arkansas or some hill towns in the Appalachians, do those white communities have a high average iq? is it because of their race? or maybe because of their poverty and lack of access to education? i don't want to insult you because i feel you are also a victim of the problem we are discussing. i encourage you to do some reading on the subject before trying to discuss it further with me or anyone else on the internet for that mater. don't try to twist my words either. i acknowledge that there ARE cultural factors involved i.e.. one community may value hard labor over education or visa versa but that has nothing to do with genetics. its nurture over nature buddy read about it. and the cultural inequalities you talk about are almost all caused by economics. you need to follow the problem to its root. the black community in America has never had even footing economically, going all the way back to 200 years ago and this is the reason for the issues you brought up. you say its black culture but that culture was formed by economic and social inequality. it has nothing to do with melanin.",
"Christianity seem to have no issue defining people as heretics, witches and the like. The Christian genocide of the Pagans not only with trials but general incitement to murder.\n\nThe Aboriginal people did not share in the invention of God as they were landlocked and safe from indoctrination through fear mongering which is all religion is.\n\nI will grant that it's a part of the human condition to seek answers to the unknown but the resulting superstitions are redundant now that humanity can actually discover the real cause of events around us.\n\nEducation has replaced superstition and there is no need to keep acting like naive people easily manipulated by organised religion which is just cult by another name.\n\nThe only \"religion\" worth a pinch of salt is maybe Buddhism which is more akin to a philosophy only concerning itself with how the individual behaves rather than trying to force and manipulate everybody else according to a doctrine.",
"Would you like to come to my university and tell every single Asian student that they're rich and privileged, even though they're not? \n\nThe black communities have had plenty of time to fix themselves but they haven't. And like I said, the fact that so many black fathers leave the mom does NOT help.",
"No, that's circular reasoning. Again, it's not our problem if certain people don't understand objective truths. I mean it *is* our problem, in the sense that these people also have the right to vote in an election...but their ignorance is no excuse. Well-adjusted people realise that we are not meant to only accept realities from things we understand, but that if 95% of scientists say something is a fact, then it is a fact no matter how little of it we understand. \n\n99% of people also have no idea how microchips work but that doesn't stop them from being a reality, or us from owning countless products that use them. Nobody refuses to believe that so much computing power can come from something so tiny, because refusing to believe in that means you think your smartphone runs on magic. \nRefusal to believe in climate change is no different.",
"Ignoring the most recent scientific findings and adhering to older ones also qualifies as equally terrible. Science no longer depicts gender as a binary but a spectrum.",
"Uhh, I thought liberals where the anti-gay ones and that just sounded pretty homophobic ",
"What's wrong with who he chose for the EPA?",
"you wanna talk leaving children? ever heard of the one child policy? look it up. its recently been turned into the 2 child policy, but under the one child policy chinese parents abandoned more children per capita than any black community anywhere in the world. and yes, you are right, your asian classmates probably don't feel that privileged probably because they are 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants so they don't know how bad their former countrymen have it, also they are surrounded by racist white students like yourself. but the first generation immigrants do understand this so they put more (sometimes unreasonable) pressure on their kids and grandkids to succeed, this is where the \"asians are good at school\" stereotype comes from. also whats considered \"rich\" or \"privileged\" in a shitty city in china would appear \"poor\" in a well off community in the US. and fyi i would totally go to your garbage ass state party school and talk to \"every single asian\" (all 10 of them) about privilege and race/economic inequality issues. it would be relatively easy for me considering I'm fluent in mandarin and my japanese and korean are decent for a self taught gaijin. YOU, my friend, have the rest of YOUR life to \"FIX YOURSELF\" i genuinely hope you can. and if not, get off the fucking internet cuz ur making all us decent educated white males look like fucking harvey weinstein, mel gibson ass motherfuckers. why don't you try a social experiment: invite \"all of the african american students at your school to an assembly, then express your views on the black community to them. you are pretty ballsy behind that keyboard, how about in real life? ",
"Ignored indeed.\n\n“It is premature to conclude that human activities and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming–have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity.”\n\nhttps://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes/",
"Auto-corrector. But here is another comment to downvote, triggerED SJW. ",
"Yeah but if young men are getting HRT or puberty blockers, we’ll have less sexual competition from them later on down the road.",
"Isn’t it interesting that their evidence doesn’t include more hurricanes?\n\nThey say the ocean is warming based on how many years of evidence ? How many years have we collected this data? \n\nYour warmer ocean is not causing more hurricanes and they are not getting stronger. Your warming ocean is causing more ice in Antarctica?\n\nhttps://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses\n\n",
"I'm not talking about policies in China, I'm talking about the US. Now I may be an engineering student, but I don't need a degree in sociology to tell you're full of shit. I'm willing to bet I'm more educated than you in general. You're just another pathetic, self-hating white who makes decent white men like me look bad.\n\n>invite \"all of the african american students at your school to an assembly, then express your views on the black community to them.\n\nWhy? You really think they'd listen to a white guy? It's *their* problem so they're the ones who need to fix it.",
"Just cause you don't understand what biologists are saying doesn't mean they are wrong ",
"Why do you hate that which is good? Because it reproves your evil? Repent and you will also be made pure and have life. \n\nThey that hate me, love. death. ",
"...fuulllkk MAN!. i feel like I'm playing call of duty with a 12 year old. i don't have the time to help you alleviate your ignorance. the china shit was just an example and had literally nothing to do with policy, i was just illustrating that social and environmental factors are more influential than genetics. if you disagree then take it up with all the published scientists who have years and years of research to back up their findings, they have dedicated their lives to reeducating inbred bigots like yourself. i on the other hand have better things to do with my time than try to teach quantum physics to a can of spam...so fuck off and have a good life, hopefully far away from any sort of \"ethnic\" folk (for their sake not yours). ",
"Do me a favor. [Find a quiet moment alone with your favorite relaxing substance and just watch this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omlXSRvb1Wo).",
"i'm a bit confused. what would that achieve?",
"Look at the FBI statistics. Blacks commit 52% of murders while being 13% of the population. What do you think is the explanation?",
"Retard, nothing I said disagrees with science.\n\n>inbred\n\nLOL I'm not even full white you idiot. I'm half Cuban and I have great genetics. You're probably some fat pasty white dude with a skin condition LOL",
"there is two genders. idc who downvotes it. its the truth haha",
"You just squeal about peer reviewed evidence because in your delusional mind you can't accept the logic of my statement.\n\nIf you believe in evolution you should expect differences evolving when populations are separate for 100 000 years. Okay, you might think that there is no evolutionary pressure on intelligence or that it isn't influenced by genetics. Well IQ is about 80% heritable. You can check other comments in this thread for proof of this.\n\nIf you then notice these intelligence differences between africans and europeans. Then it seems very obvious to me what is the cause. \n\nIf you then see that this intelligence difference is also present in blacks adopted by whites, rich blacks etc. then it is undeniable that there is a significant genetic component.\n\nAnd if you want muh peer reviewed evidence you can check out the Alternative Hypothesis website. ",
"https://i.imgur.com/vAsGQHo.jpg",
"You said the biggest difference between men and women is their mental differences, so...",
"What is this, zero effort gaslighting? No I didn't.",
"Repentance being required IS evil.",
"European industrialization occurred mostly before the 20th century. Are you familiar with the Flynn effect? IQ rose steadily in industrialized nations throughout the 20th century. In 1932, the average IQ as measured by 1997 standards [was 80](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect#Rise_in_IQ), which is the same figure I've seen quoted for black folks in this very thread.\n\nThis is after industrialization. The same thing happened in South Korea, much more quickly in fact, likely because the process of industrialization and transition into the information age occurred much more quickly there than it did in Europe and the US (mid-20th century to 2000 vs 1850 to 2000).\n\nIQ is a narrow measure of intelligence related to skills that are utilized and thus improved by industrial and information economies. To suggest that IQ itself has anything to do with the occurrence of industrialization is folly - borderline racist folly.\n\nI would argue that there is something about the material conditions on the continent of Africa that made industrialization unlikely prior to colonization.",
"If the only thing that determines whether someone is a \"he\" or a \"she\" is mental characteristics, that means that the biggest (if not \"only\") difference between men and women is their mental differences. You haven't put much thought into this, have you?",
"guys, we are so fucking smart.",
"I believe the only way that another theory could even be slightly considered is if there is some other explanation discovered as to why such an ample amount of evidence points directly towards evolution. Take the fossil record for example. The order in which we find these fossils by layer shows that different organisms lived at different periods. You won’t find any human fossils in the same layer as you would a dinosaur fossil. The only explanation as to how these new animals could pop up over time is that the old animals evolved into new species. Maybe one day we find out that aliens used to regularly visit earth and dropped off new species every so often to explain where these new species came from since they didn’t exist earlier on and they had to come from somewhere. We have no evidence for that being the case but have an unbelievable abundance of evidence pointing towards evolution. Fossil record is just one of many examples. Obviously since nothing can be proven 100%, you can say that there’s a possibility that there could be a better theory out there to explain where we came from but that’d be like saying that there might be a better theory out there for where rain comes from. Every piece of evidence points toward it coming from rain clouds but nobody can know 100%. Maybe there’s invisible pixies that gather in rain clouds and cry and their tears are raindrops. Having that mentality is useless in science though ",
"Hopefully inspire wonder and maybe enough curiosity to find out more. Consider it just my curiosity to see what you thought.",
"i'm already interested in physics and space in general.",
"Sure, little buddy. Whatever you need. I’m “triggered” because I have an understanding of biology and psychology that is backed up by facts and evidence. Do you feel better now, champ?",
"\"To suggest that IQ itself has anything to do with the occurrence of industrialization is folly - borderline racist folly.\"\n\nwas wondering when you would trot out that word. Saying IQ is just industry is completely wrong. Yes industry has a big effect on what IQ's you see in the population but IQ was still present differences between races was still present long before industrialization. That's kinda why some countries industrialized first or faster than other countries. IQ is a precursor to industrialization and its why you will never see the Saan people of Africa will never industrialize.\n\nYes and you're right. The Flynn effect is real because IQ, and its less well known cousin, the g factor, are highly inheritable. If you have intelligent ppl have children, their child will more than likely be smarter than the average person. This is even taking into account regression to the mean for IQ.\n\nIf the material conditions keep industry from propping up in Africa, don't you think it would also had selective pressure against high IQ's since there is not need to industrialize?\n\n",
"Keep on creeping ;) so if I believe the world is flat but it isn't, does that make it a \"social construct\" or fact? If someone pretends they are a boy when they are a girl how come that is considered science and not make believe?\n\nThe undisputed facts are penis = man, vagina = woman, both = abnormality/hemaphrodite.\n\nI'm pretty sure it's safe to say the world isn't flat too.\n\nIf people want to pretend and make believe that's fine, but we don't need grown me in drag using the same bathrooms and change rooms as 10 year old girls just because we are too scared to tell them to grow the fuck up and accept who they are.\n\nI want a Dragonkin only bathroom because I am 99.95% sure I'm dragonborn, I feel it therefore it is fact.\n\nBut go through all my comments if you want that's cool too, but you won't because discussion is the enemy of the liberal.",
"“UNDISPUTED FACTS” AKA “MY OPINION THAT I GOT FROM PEPE THE FROG MEMES”",
">Everyone in this comment chain is an unfunny piece of shit",
"Yes explain to me the adverse effects of adderal use in adolescents, because just so you know they generally refuse to give adderal to young children or give them such a small does that the effects are negligible.",
"Every single modern embryology textbook declares that the zygote and embryo are human. Yay science! ",
"trans people have very high suicide rates and youre gonna dehumanize them and contribute to that statistic? go fuck yourself, recognize that you were poorly raised and lack empathy and respect(virtues taught in pre school)",
"now THIS is a meme I can get behind",
"...why are you inventing an issue just to justify your intolerance",
"Tell that to the trannies and the \"no such thing as biological sex\" crowd. ",
"I never realized that your chromosomes and genes (you know, the stuff that determines if your a boy or a girl) could be wrong. \n\n\nOr are we ignoring basic biology that existed for thousands of years? If thats the case, then wouldnt that be an example of the inability to grasp science and wouldnt be a valid arguement against it?",
"Oh look! It's the ~~conservatives~~ asshat's go-to bigotry!\n\n😉",
"Capitalism/Corporations. ",
">but IQ was still present differences between races was still present long before industrialization.\n\nYou have literally no way to back up that claim. IQ was not measured until the 20th century.\n\n> IQ is a precursor to industrialization\n\nNo it isn't. You completely missed my point. If high IQ is required for industrialization, then our European ancestors 100 years ago were just as incapable of industrialization as you seem to think Africans are.\n\n>IQ, and its less well known cousin, the g factor, are highly inheritable. If you have intelligent ppl have children, their child will more than likely be smarter than the average person.\n\nYes, they will be smarter than the average person *within their population*. On the population level, things like education and nutrition have overwhelmingly larger effects than genetics.\n\nLook into average height in Japan before and after WWII. Environmental factors determine the mean value of the traits of a population, while variation within the population is attributable to genetics.\n\n>If the material conditions keep industry from propping up in Africa, don't you think it would also had selective pressure against high IQ's since there is not need to industrialize?\n\nQuite possibly. Gradually improving technology would ease that pressure, but the fact is that Europe is much more habitable than most of Africa. It's easier to grow crops and keep livestock, which allows cities to grow and contributes to the general well-being of people at large. Compared to Europe, there are very few continuously inhabited cities in Sub-Saharan Africa founded BC. Cities make resources more easily available to their inhabitants, and navigating them and participating in urban economies contributes to the same kind of intelligence measured by IQ tests.\n\nDoes that mean black people were never capable of establishing cities and making the discoveries that changed the world? No. It just meant they were going to get around to it more slowly. The fact that Europeans brought us to our current epoch is largely a result of historical accidents. The next one will likely be ushered in by Asians, and the one after that, who knows? It could be Africans.\n\nIQ in the developed world has mostly leveled out. Technological progress is now more a result of societies having the right institutional characteristics to incentivize it.",
"Ever since I was a boy I dreamed of being highly leveraged, naked and soaring high off of minimal equity. People say to me that a person being a call option is Impossible and I’m fucking retarded but I don’t care, I’m beautiful. I’m having a plastic surgeon install real-time Delta, Gamma, Theta and Implied Volatility trackers on my body. From now on I want you guys to call me “20ST June 18 Call” and respect my right to be a ten bagger and pull dank profit out of what appears to be small price action to retail. If you can’t accept me you’re an anti-capitalist and need to check your trading privilege. Thank you for being so understanding.",
"LOL!\n\nIf you have a penis, you're a man.\n\nIf you have a vagina, you're a woman.\n\nIf you have both or neither, then you're genetically defective. Simple? :)",
"You just looked at the first point and ignored the rest, didn't ya champ? Try reading the whole report. It actually supports what we are saying....",
"/u/Aluzky is that you?",
"Hormones and physical development (sex) determine a lot of physical characteristic differences. Gender role is separate, but related. Your point?\n\n>You haven't put much thought into this, have you?\n\n📽",
"Your inability to grasp that there are only 2 genders is not a valid arguement against it!",
"You still haven't established causation in your argument.",
"ahh refusing to learn things past what cavemen thought of the world, interesting strategy hope it works out for you",
"It helps because men and women are biologically different.\n\nIf you want a proper treatment, then you'd need to reveal your true identity determined by birth.\n\nXX - Women\n\nXY - Men\n\nAny other is a genetic defect.",
"you are right. i have no way up backing up what IQ was before it was measured. But we can look at largely isolated tribes in Africa and the Americas to look at what the IQ was of societies that did not industrialize. From that we can get a ball park estimate of the IQ of difference tribes was in a general region might have been before industry. With that said, I have no way backing up what IQ could have been in the past.\n\nI generally agree with you. Industry plays a big role. But you dont seem to be acknowledging that divergent evolution in the context of industrial development plays a role in the development of IQ. No industry; low IQ. Simple as that.\n\nSince the European industrialized first, they now had more time for positive selective pressure to select for high IQ. Most subsaharan africans do not have that pressure. Thus, you would expect the Sub saharan Africans to have lower IQs on average than Europeans. This is fact.\n\nTheir is a cyclical dependency between IQ and industry. The higher IQ; the more likely you are to industrialize. The more industry; the more selective pressure for high IQ. Ignoring the first claim, you are not even fully taking into account the ramifications of your own theory of industry and IQ... The best you say is \"Quite possibly\"... Of course ppl from non industrialized regions will have on average lower IQs. That is literally the consequence of the argument you made lol",
"What did that article have to do with hurricanes? Not only does it never mention hurricanes, but the findings of the study support climate change.\n\n Did you read it all the way through? \n\n>A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow **accumulation that began 10,000 years ago** is currently adding enough ice to the continent to **outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.**\n\nFirst paragraph and the study still supports the loss of glaciers while attributing the gain of ice to something that happened 10,000 years ago.\n\n>“**We’re essentially in agreement with other studies** that show an increase in ice discharge in the Antarctic Peninsula and the Thwaites and Pine Island region of West Antarctica, our main disagreement is for East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica – **there, we see an ice gain that exceeds the losses in the other areas**.” -Zwally\n\nAntarctica isn't gaining ice everywhere, just enough in a couple of places to recoup the losses in others. \n \n>“If the losses of the Antarctic Peninsula and parts of West Antarctica continue to increase at the same rate they’ve been increasing for the last two decades, the losses will catch up with the long-term gain in East Antarctica in 20 or 30 years -- I don’t think there will be enough snowfall increase to offset these losses.” -Zwally\n\n Look at that, we're still on a bad path, but we got an extension somehow. What could've caused this accumulation though? \n\n>“At the end of the last Ice Age, the air became warmer and carried more moisture across the continent, doubling the amount of snow dropped on the ice sheet,” Zwally said.\n\nBut how did we get more ice from an increase in snow? \n\n>**The extra snowfall that began 10,000 years ago has been slowly accumulating on the ice sheet and compacting into solid ice over millennia**, thickening the ice in East Antarctica and the interior of West Antarctica by an average of 0.7 inches (1.7 centimeters) per year. This small thickening, sustained over thousands of years and spread over the vast expanse of these sectors of Antarctica, corresponds to a very large gain of ice – **enough to outweigh the losses from fast-flowing glaciers in other parts of the continent** and reduce global sea level rise. \n\nYup, that makes sense. Thanks, NASA.\n\n>To help accurately measure changes in Antarctica, NASA is developing the successor to the ICESat mission, ICESat-2, **which is scheduled to launch in 2018**.\n\nThanks for linking this article if only for giving me ICESat-2 to look forward to. \n\nTo recap, hurricanes and glaciers are different things. If the whole point of your post is hurricanes being an indicator that climate change isn't real, don't link an article that supports climate change with glaciers. If you've got literally anything to support your side, reply with that instead. \n\nOn your hurricane point itself, idk? I'm just some fucking guy. Find something to support your claim like you did for mine. \n\n\n",
">Caveman thought of the world\n\nYou mean what everyone thought of the world until the last 10 years. Also the high suicide rate might have more to do with the fact that no amount of surgery is going to turn you into an actual member of the opposite gender. You can't undo early embryology",
" This dude might just really be dumb. He linked me to an article that supported my points too.",
"The christian notion of god specifically, the benevolent being with massive power, who if worshipped sends you to heaven. \n\nYou would expect such a being to at least try to prevent evil or cure diseases, yet no evidence is left behind - almost as if it never happened. It should be noted that if god needs to be worshipped for you to go to heaven the moral thing would be for him to reveal himself. And if he doesn't need to be worshipped he still has no actual reason to hide his existence.",
">Since the European industrialized first, they now had more time for positive selective pressure to select for high IQ. \n\nYou're misunderstanding how this works. Genes account for variation from the mean. Environmental factors determine the mean. Take the cities, education and nutrition away from Europeans, and they will go back to being short and dumb.\n\n>Since the European industrialized first, they now had more time for positive selective pressure to select for high IQ. Most subsaharan africans do not have that pressure. Thus, you would expect the Sub saharan Africans to have lower IQs on average than Europeans. This is fact.\n\nDon't say it's a fact when it's not. Evolution doesn't work that quickly, nor are the selective pressures that simple.\n\nIn fact, recent research shows that [Western IQs have peaked](https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22329831-300-it-would-be-stupid-to-ignore-a-drop-in-human-intellect/) and have in some cases declined over the last decade or so.\n\n>Their is a cyclical dependency between IQ and industry.\n\nNot necessarily. See (again) the link above.\n\n>Of course ppl from non industrialized regions will have on average lower IQs. That is literally the consequence of the argument you made lol\n\nYeah, it is. And that argument is a far cry from \"black people have lower IQs which is why Africa sucks.\" That argument suggest that there is something inherent to black people that makes them so much dumber than white people that they are incapable of functioning on the level that white people do. That's racism.",
"Climate is always changing but CO2 is not causing more hurricanes. Isn’t that interesting?\n\nI find it fascinating ",
"hmm its actually due to depression caused my transphobia and societal rejection, these folks cant even browse reddit without feeling attacked",
"look up gender cause u still stuck on sex 101",
"Nah, just have this thing where people shouldn't be forced to play make belive to support someone else's delusion, then again, free speech apparently isn't a thing in Canada.\n\nThe only edgelords here are the atheists.\n\nTry harder.",
"\"Gender\" is ideology, there is only sex. You people are expert gaslighters. ",
"You're misunderstanding how evolution works. So you agree that consequences of industrialization, i.e., cities, education and nutrition, have select pressure. This pressure exerts influence on the type of genes we see prevalent in a society via what genes get expressed. I'm literally making your argument for you and you still seem to disagree with it...\n\nDon't say it's not fact unless you can properly counter it.\n\n\"Evolution doesn't work that quickly\" lol. thats not even an argument. Its not even wrong. The human species has been around for a short period of time from the perspective of evolution. For you to say that evolution doesnt work that quickly is clearly false given the amount of variation we see within the time scale of humans. \n\nAgain saying something is too complicated is not an argument. You have not provided anything of substance other than \"Oh its too complicated to understand so dont try to\"\n\nah yes the new scientist. The ppl that said darwin was wrong. definitely a reliable source. Do you have another source thats more reliable?\n\n\"Not necessarily. See (again) the link above.\"\n\nNot necessarily. Provide a better source.\n\nBlack ppl do have lower IQs. All the premises are there to make the argument that the reason Africa is in the shape it is right now is due to the absense of high IQ selective pressures. Do you have any arguments to the contrary? Or you just gonna level charges of racism against anyone who would dare disagree with you again?",
"> Are we ignoring basic biology\n\nIf you’re claiming that sex organs or chromosomes are 100% binary? Yes. \n\nIf you’re talking about gender, that of course isn’t referring to sex organs or chromosomes, it’s referring to psychology, anthropology, and sociological roles. That difference between gender roles and sex organs has been recognized for thousands of years is various societies. But of course you’re not concerned with truth, science, history, etc. You just have partisan political buzzwords you’re clinging to like a security blanket, and it’s sad.",
"The 1st sentence states it’s premature :)\n\nThe rest is just projecting. Where are the hurricanes...I guess hurricanes are not climate.",
"No one got the Helsing abridged reference I guess.",
"so you're not disputing that the developments in a society we see are limited by what genes are expressed in its ppl?",
"If thats the case, you would expect Ethiopia to recover quickly from the damage it incurred during WWII much like South Korea recovered and surpassed most of the world after the korean war. but we dont see that do we.... ",
"Well no, they are weather.... I don't think you understand the difference. The paper is talking about trends, not disparate events. ",
"The point still stands. Other ppl can deal with being conquered more productively than others. Why is that?",
"Who do you blame for the inuits lack of development? Or Ethiopias? or native americans before the spanish and british? or aboriginal australians? or the first peoples in canada? ",
"thanks for the polite reply!",
"and thats exactly why that argument is so dumb. It can be wielded by anyone like a club. rly doesnt get us anywhere. shows how dogmatic science can be sometimes :/",
"Unsubscribe. ",
"https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/data.html\n\nhttps://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/11/111103120446.htm\n\nWhat's your point, mate?",
"Hmm \n\n>\"these people are injecting themselves with hormones meant for the opposite sex, getting cosmetic amputations of their genitals and completely changing their lifestyle and identity in very short periods of time. So naturally the reason their suicide rate is high is because of jokes on reddit. \"\n\nI don't follow ",
"Thats because they suffer from a variety of mental illnesses. The main one being gender dysphoria.",
"So you claim that we have somehow knew about this for thousands of years, yet 1) you don't provide proof, 2) if that was the case then why have we been learning that because of your chromosomes you are either a boy or a girl. if you have a penis or a vagina that makes you male or female. \n\n\nIf you're a girl but say you are a guy then i'm fine with that, but don't try to change science because you feel the need to force everyone to believe that a woman can have a penis. Biology is actual science, thinking your a woman with a penis is psychology ",
"\"I have great genetics.\" wow ok... ",
"You clearly aren’t reading anything I say, so boogle gre inf hig onb ifcnya bbrserh poihhv.",
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"An incredibly small portion of the population has a high suicide rate. Lmao. It's a negligible statistic. \n\nYou sound like one of those retards that goes on and on about a epidemic of violence against Trans people, but dosent even known that only 24 Trans people were murdered in 2016. Lmao",
"So they are a minority and due to that their suffering should be ignored?",
"Hi SRS brigade",
"Not all trans people have gender dysphoria and the way to treat it is with transitioning, it's unrelated to suicide",
"There's a lot more to this ",
"Or you could not be an absolutist dip shit and actually argue for the help where it is actually needed ie expanded health care and psychological care for everyone?\n\nTrans people should quit weeping for themselvesand jerking over their identity and understand their issue is a incredibly minor issue in comparison to the overall picture. Sorry.\n\nPeople don't have unlimited attention for every niche issue. Why should we cry for your asses when we could be focusing on actually helping everyone?",
"😢 Very sad, wish there were more",
"Same as Obama\n\nhttp://www.newsweek.com/trump-approval-rating-obama-same-761948",
"Sorry, no amount of pee pee or Russians can undo a democratic election. Enjoy your extra money and better country.",
"Woah there bud, if you can’t take the heat don’t comment",
"Is that a yes or no?",
"Their depression is thanks to people and society around them, not due to a faulty mental healthcare system. ",
"I am sure if you claimed to be a chicken you would feel pretty alienated also. Do you suggest we just SIMPLY (lol) change society to suit everyone perfectly so they never have any mental health problems? Don't be an ass hole friend",
"That's a bold, unsupported, claim. ",
"Another bold, unsupported claim here as well. ",
"I feel like my response answered that lol but no I do not think there is the slightest chance that there will ever be a theory to explain the diversity of life better than evolution. It is a FACT that species change over time and that is what evolution is. It’s not really up for debate at all that that happens. ",
"He's basically saying that the culture of \"acceptance\" where being trans is borderline encouraged is harmful to them in the long run. His point is that instead of helping trans people by accepting every single choice they make and never being mean to them, we should just not let them transition in the first place. \n\nI don't necessarily agree with that, but please try not to stray from the point too much.",
"Mentally ill people tend to kill themselves at a higher rate.",
"Question: Is it impossible for a different theory to ever come long which will be better than the currently accepted theory of evolution?\n\nYes or no?\n\n(Hint: I'm looking for a 1 word response, it's a much easier question than you seem to think. 1 word.)",
"https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/12/29/politics/donald-trump-approval-rating/index.html",
"That's why depression needs to be prevented in trans community, it has nothing to do with gender dysphoria",
"Is it possible for there to eventually be a better theory to explain the diversity of species and also show the flaws with the evolution of theory? Yes\n\nIt’s also possible that the earth is orbiting around the earth by 2 giant, invisible, and intangible foxes pushing it through space and what we know about gravity has actually all been false. \n\nYou see how useless it is to ask if something is technically possible?\n\nIs it likely at all that a better theory will come up than evolution? Not at all",
"Go back to SRS.\n\nHonestly, with how racist SRS is, I don't know why you keep complaining about racism yourself.",
"Wow, I must have really pissed you off.\n\nInuits: Might have something to do with the fact that they live in a frozen wasteland.\n\nEthiopians: I addressed that elsewhere.\n\nNative Americans: For one thing, Europeans had about a 25,000 year head start.\n\nAboriginal Australians: Small, isolated continent mostly covered in desert.\n\nFirst Peoples: See Native Americans.",
"eh not rly. you agree that these environments are not conducive to producing high IQ societies?",
"Sorry, I'm getting some error. The link is getting flagged as 'fake news'.",
"So you are saying that being born with a penis makes you a man? Or Not?\n\nBut that's ok. Most people look at comments posted in t_d and just plug their ears and go \"lalalalalalalala I can't heeeeear you reeeeeeeee!\"\n\nYou seem to be part of the herd.",
"Do you even READ my Christmas list?!",
"Sure, but it has precisely jack shit to do with the race of the people who inhabit those environments.",
"That user makes no sense. We've been doing the exact opposite of \"encouraging\" for decades and rates still remained high. Besides, that study shows that HRT *and* the ability to socially transition both **lower** suicide rates among trans people; those factors are literally the solution. What you're suggesting will, if anything, cause more deaths. ",
"Your inability to grasp the sign wasn't a valid argument against it anyway.",
"?",
"Korea's neighbors were not occupied and looted in the same way that Ethiopia's were.\n\nEast Asia also had a strong civilization prior to WWII. It wasn't quite as advanced as Europe's, but institutions were generally strong and respected. Africa was a lot of tribal wilderness with a few kingdoms clinging to the coasts.",
"Quality of life is also important, and while it is affected by happiness it's not the only factor. I personally think transitioning pretty much just hurts your quality of life. That being said, it evidently does make people with gender dysphoria happier, so I'm all for it. I disagree with you when you say high suicide rates are exclusively caused by discrimination or lack of acceptance. People with gender dysphoria experience many negative symptoms.\n\n>Symptoms of GD in children may include any of the following: disgust at their own genitalia, social isolation from their peers, anxiety, loneliness and depression\n\nI know for a fact that some of these remain after transition. For example, I've heard many trans people who have gone through surgery express that they don't look feminine or masculine enough and that it causes them distress. \n\nYou're right in saying that being more accepting is pretty much the only way to make these people happier, besides the therapy they are likely already receiving.",
"-11",
"Thought we were talking about trans people not me",
"Depression is an issue because people make trans people feel like shit for who they are, transition is a response to gender dysphoria or it's a choice but being trans and having depression is not a natural correlation, only outside forces induce the suicidal depression",
"If you and rest of society could accept someone is a man without having a penis then then surgical and hormonal transitioning would probably be less popular but instead they feel pressured to physically change their body as otherwise people wouldnt recognize them for who they are ",
">Not all trans people have gender dysphoria\n\nNo, that's the literal definition of trans",
"No transition is how you get rid of gender dysphoria for some people",
"I highly doubt it when they keep offing themselves after they transition.",
"No. Unwanted advances and repeatedly calling someone is harassment. Repeatedly calling someone by a wrong pronoun is being a jerk. There's a big difference. ",
"> There's a big difference.\n\nThere might be a big difference but I think both count as harassment.",
"Sorry. Perhaps I should have linked Breibart or Trump's twitter account instead. ^^^^^/s",
"I upvoted you, m'lady.",
"SRS and Drama brigade in one thread, who will win?",
"Mayocide isn't racism, it's necessary ",
"You seem to have already known the answer to your question that it technically is possible but do you not see how useless it is to think like that? Kind of obnoxious of you trying to get me to answer a (completely useless) question that you already knew the answer to. Go ahead living your life thinking anything is possible at any times. Probably shouldn’t walk out of your house since it is possible a tiger got loose from a zoo on another planet and somehow ended up here in your area. ",
"\"Oh no people are attacking me on internetz\"\n\nIf I tell you to kys, would you die?",
"-69",
"Maybe they should learn to accept themselves then. Not my fault that anyone has any sort of body dysmorphia. It's not my fault an overweight person is anorexic because I don't constantly say they're skinny. It's not my fault someone tries to install a dick on themselves because I don't say they are a man. Take some responsibility. ",
"Physiologically, if you have a penis and testicles, and lack ovaries and vagina, you are of the male sex. Sociologically you can choose to take on a gender role that is not the traditional Puritanical counterpart of your biological sex, if doing so is what furthers your pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness. Make sense now? Try doing literally any research on the subject if you’d like to one day potentially have an informed opinion.\n\nAnd yeah, not taking a cultish echo chamber seriously makes me SUCH a sheep. Reading about a subject with an open mind and forming your own opinions is such a herd mentality. ",
"I've done my research but I'm not obligated to share. It seems like you just want to fight.",
"I love winning :)",
"I would disagree and say that the way our science communicators handle blatantly flawed anti-science 'logic' has been more detrimental than simply the anti-science people existing. \n\nThings like Neil DeGrasse Tyson spending his time debating whether god exists or if evolution actually happened or whether global warming is truly caused by humans are unnecessary to the point of silliness and cast more doubt onto what science actually knows then if every scientist would just double down on their well founded knowledge as they should (btw I don't believe the existence of a higher being in any form is at all provable in either direction, and should not be discussed in terms of pure logic). Its as if the scientists who enable these science doubters by futilly engaging with their ridiculous ideas are doing it sadistically. \n\nOf course American politics now a days is built on lies but that is a whole nother issue in my mind.\n\nThanks for reading all of this by the way as well as responding I'm very passionate about it and I love that y'all are as well.",
"Communication is a two way street.",
"\\>\"Don't touch the poop\"\n\n\\>Rolls around in the poop\n\nReally jogs the ol' noggin",
"this didnt work against homosexuality through conversation therapy and it wont work against trans people to repress their identity ",
"for trans people with serious depression, the hatred irl and when they go online has statistically lead to suicides so why be a killer?",
"they still get hated",
"Yeah so do a lot of black people in this country and they have a very low suicide rate. Maybe the mental illness these people have makes them depressed.",
"So when this theory was first invented they said the Earth was warming due to the green house gas effect, hence no more snow by 2017. The theory was dubbed Global Warming. This was fine to push the political agenda at the time but over time the Earth wasn't warming the way they projected, ie: Michael Manns beetwood pine hockey stick graph. So, it snowed the 3rd time in 40 years in the Sahara so they had to change the name to Climate Change. Well, climates been changing since the beginning of Earth so first red flag. But which is it? Climate change or Global Warming? When I ride an airplane the pilot doesn't tell me \"we might take off or we might not, we don't know we are changing our minds about it constantly\" so you can't compare the two. I know an airplane flys and call it science because it works every time. Climate Change kooks have made hundreds of predictions that have failed to come to fruition so again, forgive me for being skeptical.",
"Again you can cite as abuse of power as being a flaw of the system as a whole, that does not mean the claim is well-founded; I don't say computer companies are all evil because of Intel's recent scandal or Apple's intentional slowing of old phones.\n\nEducation is not new, humans since history have gained evolutionary advantages from being smarter or more knowledgeable than their peers, and spirituality and religion has served to grope at what could not be deduced. The most productive societies in terms of lasting knowledge were also famous for their myths and religion.\n\nI'm not going to keep repeating myself, but I hope your passion for the subject leads to to further education in its history.",
">Sorry, no amount of pee pee or Russians can undo a democratic election\n\nOther things can, though. Let's wait and see.",
"Not even trying to be arrogant, it's just a fact. My physical condition due to genetics is above average, and I'm grateful for it.",
"Don't have to accept mental illness as normal.",
"So why strengthen the chances of them getting a mental illness, ie depression",
"the mental illness is depression thanks to transphobes like yourself",
"> winning\n\n> having dotards from the_dotard brigade\n\nChoose one 😂",
"Would you say that a person who considers suicide daily because of an identity that doesn't conform to their body or society at large has a high \"quality of life\"? How could they have a \"quality\" life if they constantly want to end it? \n\n>I know for a fact that some of these remain after transition. \n\nThe study never argues that all gender dysphoria disappears after you transition. It *does* correlate social transition and HRT treatment with lowered suicide rates among transgender people. That's it. That's enough to support a \"culture of acceptance\" as you put it.\n",
"Looks like everyone is a winner!",
"You seem to hate science for some reason. The fundamental core of Science is questioning and challenging theories. That's what seperates it from other isms, like religion. Dissapointing that you feel it's useless, when that's it's most useful and redeeming feautre. \n\n\nHopefully one day, you won't hate science anymore. Today is not that day but I look forward to that day. \n\n\nG'day, bfol. ",
"It must be extremely painful",
"Lol no i think it’s actually that you don’t understand how monumental the evidence is towards evolution so please do not confuse your ignorance to it with me “hating science” because you have no idea what you’re talking about. I agree skepticism is essential but there is a point where it gets you nowhere. It looks like you didn’t read my example about the invisible foxes pushing the earth. Do you think that good scientist will keep open that possibility just because it technically is possible?\n\nDisappointing you’re talking down to others on science when you clearly would be the worst scientist in history with your mindset. \nUnless you’re just a troll which wouldn’t shock me because only psychopaths and fools have that way of thinking. No shit it’s POSSIBLE that evolution can be shown to be wrong. Doesn’t take clear thought to realize that\n\n",
"I believe the facts and science,not much else to say",
"Me not agreeing with you has nothing to do on my knowledge of the subject. I know plenty about the fake theory and I know what a benificial mutation is. What you don’t realize is how wrong you are about the lies you have read. Everything I read about the theory says “could prove someday” or “looks like it could mean” statements. There is no solid factual information. Believe what you want but the theory of evolution is simply a smart lie of bad theories backed up by more bad theories. Take care. ",
"The only one talking about crazy theories like invisible globe controlling foxes is you. \n\nThere's not only two choices. There's room for plenty of reasonable middle ground between the current accepted theory and invisible space foxes. \n\n\nIf you fail to see that and just blindly follow the currently most evidences theory, you're missing the entire point of science. \n\nG'day, bfol. ",
"What a fun comment chain this one was. ",
"not according to SCIENCE.\n\nthere's like... three, I think",
"Is this for real or is this satirical? Genuine question. If real - you are oblivious to why we call you SJW. It's more like \"stop being a moral busybody\" not \"I can't accept you\". If fake, bravo. I've saved a screen of this for future redpilling. ",
"REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! ",
"Big difference - gays and lesbians still identify as the gender in which they are born into. LG and B are MUUUCH different than the T. ",
"Yes sexuality and identity are not the same thing, and gender is not something anyone is born into, it's something you find in society which represents your person",
"If you don’t understand that I used that example to show how ridiculous your point is, then you’re missing the entire point of what I’m saying. I’m sorry I guess I didn’t make it clear enough to you even though I spelt it out for you pretty clearly. Lol When did I ever say there was only 2 choices for these type of things? Your arguing against me on shit I didn’t even say which is very disingenuous of you. I already agreed that there are always possibilities to discover more about what we know and don’t know. Also that there are possibilities that current understandings in science (evolution) that may one day be shown to be incorrect. You honestly just don’t seem to understand the difference with “possible” and “likelihood”. I agree that there’s a possibility that evolution is wrong but if you think there is any likelihood at all that evolution is wrong, then you just don’t understand evolution and haven’t taken the time to see the evidence for it. That’s you being ignorant and arguing on shit you don’t even understand yourself.\n\nGo ahead and look up the definitions of “possibility” and “likelihood” because that’s where your confusion seems to be coming from. Also don’t tell me I don’t understand science when you’re the one who doesn’t even understand what I’m arguing. ",
"Literally haven't said anything transphobic. I'm acknowledging that gender dysphoria is a mental illness and that surgery doesn't cure it. You're the one spreading dangerous ideas, that these people don't need help. If you want trans people to continue to kill themselves, by all means keep spouting your bullshit.",
"I say we draw the line when the person in question becomes dangerous to him/her self or others wich in a lot of places is where the line is legally drawn",
"Like cutting of your dick or tits? ",
"depression due to transphobia causes the suicides, and transitioning is the recommended treatment if someone trans also has gender dysphoria",
"And yet the suicides don't decrease after surgery.",
"because surgery doesnt cure transphobia and the onset of depression from discrimination ",
"Him >**Maybe they should learn to accept themselves then.** Not my fault that anyone has any sort of body dysmorphia. It's not my fault an overweight person is anorexic because I don't constantly say they're skinny. It's not my fault someone tries to install a dick on themselves because I don't say they are a man. **Take some responsibility.**\n\nYou >this didnt work against homosexuality through conversation therapy and it wont work against trans people to repress their identity\n\nOk, so you agree that sexuality and identity are not the same thing. So the comparison you made is a false equivalence. Big difference between wanting to suck cocks and hack your cock off. \n\nThat being said, gender clearly is something one is born into. That's why an overwhelming majority of the children who are born self-identify based on their chromosomal make-up. This is why universally in human cultures we find clearly defined gender roles. This is why the one variable that is most closely correlated with gender is sex. Almost 1 for 1. ",
"> transphobia and the onset of depression from discrimination\n\nYou got evidence to show this is the cause of the suicides?",
"you got evidence connecting being born trans makes you want to kill yourself? ",
"yikes, like you can google shit on your own and realize youre wrong why bring me into your miseducation ",
"You shouldn't try to sound so smart.\n\nYou're not.\n\nBlack people commit a lot of murder, cities with lots of black people have a lot of murder -> Black people commit the murders in these cities.",
"Smug cunt",
"Moron.",
"How is anything I said comparable to conversion therapy? ",
"T H A T S N O T C A U S A T I O N\n\nH\n\nA\n\nT\n\nS\n\nN\n\nO\n\nT\n\nC\n\nA\n\nU\n\nS\n\nA\n\nT\n\nI\n\nO\n\nN",
"Translation: I don't have a valid argument to disprove what you've said so I'll just attack your character as if it's an argument. ",
"its the thought pattern hat resembles the idea that you can reverse engineer someones identity/gender/sexuality that is akin to conversion therapy. And back when homosexuality was considered a mental illness I am sure you would be complaining about them too. but I see what u mean, Im just responding to a lot of violently transphobic people who lack education and I thought this was another one even tho its also ignorant",
"your \"character\" lacks education and its harming people...",
"When I say they have body dysmorphia I'm just using it as a descriptor for having feelings of being in the wrong body or thinking your body does not look as it should. Not necessarily a mental problem because it doesn't necessarily impact quality of life in any way. \n\nAll I was trying to say is all anyone is entitled to is their personal space and safety/well-being. Having their happiness be conditional based on weather people accept them or not is setting themselves up for failure. \n\n",
"No, you are triggered because you are an SJW that argues on Reddit about everything you can. Nice try. I'm not interested in arguing about gender with an SJW who is completely delusional. I'd rather just call you for what you are. ",
"Anything you say, sweetie.",
"And if someone is XXY, what then?",
"Like I said- I love winning 🤗",
"you know SRS hates racism right and it exists to counteract it",
"Ok, cya later. Going out to buy a \"it's a boy\" and \"it's a girl\" card for my sister. Gotta make sure I cover all the possibilities. ",
"um north korea? they kinda tried to occupy south korea. kinda devastated their economy.\n\nsigh... again more evidence that ethiopa does not have high iq selective pressures. you keep dodging that assertion",
"That’s a great idea! Best of luck.",
"Brave keyboard warrior BTFO's cuckservative racist twink redditor. More at 11.",
"Your inability to actually grasp science, is not a reason to defend it!!! (Not me, quoting a cousin who thinks that sacrificing family relationships is a good reason to say fuck you to people that have supported her all her life.). Kate, you’re a bitch. Not a scientist. But just keep swimming snowflake. ",
"Then why are they so racist themselves? It's not hard to find a comment there, saying something like \"whiteness is a disease\" with 40 upvotes.",
"The suicide rates???",
"Ahoy, /u/NihilisticHotdog, /u/Might-be-crazy and /u/magaparty in one thread? The SRS stalkers are out in droves today. All we're missing is /u/pizzaphilepodesta.",
"It's just a joke my friend.",
"Source pls",
"And yet SRS complains about racist jokes all the time.",
"Congratulations, ***that's the point.***",
"It's not really a \"point\" as much as it's just plain ol' hypocrisy.\n\nNobody cares about the fact that SRS makes racist jokes. People care about the fact that they whine about racist jokes, but then proceed to make racist jokes themselves.\n\nThey're not \"sticking it to those racists with a taste of their own medicine\", all they're doing is making themselves look like a hateful bunch.\n\nAnd when confronted with their jokes, they don't even say \"it's just a joke\". They say \"it's okay when *we* do it\". When they say \"I hate white people\", it's not ironic anymore.",
"Hateful against white people? Oh please. Besides, unlike white people making racist jokes about racial minorities, none of them really think that stuff anyway.",
">none of them really think that stuff anyway.\n\nMhmm, that's what all hate subs say.",
"If you're so sensitive that a single pronoun can cause you to break down, you belong in a mental hospital. ",
"Thanks, now it's completely obvious that you are literally just making shit up as you go.\n\nHint: That's not what dysphoria is.",
"You can wiki that yourself. It's a birth defect. Not a separate gender. \n\n> that result from two or more X chromosomes **in males**\n\nIt's a male, but the \"primary features are sterility\", which is unfortunate.",
"Why is so damn cold...damn that global warming ",
"There are no trends. It’s premature to conclude.\n\nMagical CO2 it produces hot summers, mild summers, warm winters, cold winters, some hurricanes or lots of hurricanes, shrinking ice in arctic, growing icing in arctic, growing ice in Antarctica...when will this madness stop?\n\n",
"Sure, but by that definition transsexual people are usually out (unless you have a *very* wide definition of \"becomes dangerous to him/her self\"). ",
"> It's\n\nNice dehuminisation there, but what about Klinefelter's or a whole host of other intersex conditions?",
"> Nice dehuminisation there\n\nDon't read too much into it. It's a general term. I already called him male, so obviously he is a he. \"it's\" just always a male if someone has it. I suppose animals can have it as well, right?\n\nBut yes, they're all birth defects, not separate genders. They also can't function as separate genders, because they are either able to function as a male or able to function as a female in procreation, or they're unable to reproduce at all, which doesn't make them a separate gender.\n\nSomeone with the same stance as you already said it would have been better if they had come up with a new word, rather than trying to change the meaning of gender. But they did the same with the word marriage, so don't be too surprised.",
"That's due to transphobia, and the depression being hated by the world leads to. Seems a hell of a lot more likely than \"I'm a woman, fuuuuck I wanna kill myself cause I don't have a vagina\"",
"They are joking and the butt of the joke are whites who are being quoted as not joking and saying horrendous stuff about minorities",
"So why is North Korea such a shit hole and South Korea is one of the most advanced economies in the world? Same people, same starting point, same geographical location, same neighbors, different outcomes.\n\nCould it be that outcomes are a result of material conditions and historical events rather than IQ?",
"Ad hominem - not an argument. ",
"Intentionally, I have nothing to argue. Facts are out there anyway",
"Wanting to cut your dick off seems like self harm to me, now if it was scientifically shown that transitioning helped these people i wouldn't mind but that's not case since before and after transition suicide rates are equally high and way significantly above the avg populace",
"First, it's not just CO2. Second, it's called global climate change for a reason. It's not a simple thing to model. Again, I'd suggest some reading before making such statements. ",
"\"The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.\" ",
"Act like a child, get treated like a child. And children are fun to laugh at. \n\nDon't like it? Then put your money where your mouth is and actually leave this website.\n\n...but we all know you won't ; )",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_significance\n\n>In medicine and psychology, clinical significance is the practical importance of a treatment effect - whether it has a real genuine, palpable, noticeable effect on daily life.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distress_(medicine)\n\n>In medicine, distress is an aversive state in which a person is unable to completely adapt to stressors and their resulting stress and shows maladaptive behaviors. It can be evident in the presence of various phenomena, such as inappropriate social interaction (e.g., aggression, passivity, or withdrawal).\n\nSo, it literally just has to exist, and has to hurt them in some way. That's it.\n\nAnd now that you've doubled down and proven yet again that you're completely playing it by ear, I'm going to call it quits and stop responding.",
"Because people aren't all automatons, and emotion is a central part of being human, ya dingus",
"Yup, reddit sure LOVE science, alright. Except when it says the thing about gender that I disagree with. Let me shout a catchphrase in order to show how rational I am!",
"> The sentiment is to understand that Science as a whole is always evolving and learning\n\nYes but not to the extent that we practically ever actually see fundamental pillars of our knowledge become proven false. We can abstractly state based on the essential truth of epistemology that in some outlandish possibility everything we know could be proven wrong, but in reality we have never seen an Evolution or a Plate Tectonics or a Germ Theory of Disease shown to be wrong. \n\nAll science learns and refines is what we understand is behind those things. Why the plates move is not the same as saying \"there may not actually be tectonic plates after all\".",
"Except there aren't only 2 genders. Unfortunately for the reactionaries science is showing your 'truth' is actually not true.",
"there is where i would agree with you and say that attempting to implement communism lowers the average iq of your citizens",
"> We put a man on the moon. Pretty sure we figured out the whole Gender thing.\n\nBiological science of the brain has nothing to do with mastering physics and engineering. You're inferring one fact by asserting a totally unrelated thing. Totally fallacious.\n\n>Western values are morally, scientifically, culturally, absolutely superior.\n\nSo in other words anything the west does is right, anything in the west that is said to be right is right and anything done elsewhere that disagrees is automatically incorrect in comparison?\n\n>Ive given you examples of cultures that are objectively inferior to western cultures.\n\nThat has nothing to do with anything related to observing the nature of humans and gender. Saying you disapprove of an unrelated quality of another culture's practices doesn't mean you can disregard how people are permitted to live in it when it doesn't jive with your notion of things.\n\nYou compared a tolerance and acceptance of more than 2 genders to pedophilia and raping children. What does that say about your attitude about gender? It says you're a bigot who ironically wants to act like you're more tolerant and accepting. I find that so hilarious.\n\n>Having gone through transitioning\n\nThe wonderful thing about the west is that you can be trans and still a bigot. Caitlyn Jenner is the poster child of being a total fuck wit politically and still transitioning. ",
"Are you laughing at yourself? Because: \n\ngen·der\nˈjendər/\nnoun\n1.\nthe state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones).\n\"traditional concepts of gender\"\n\nBetter wipe that egg off your face.",
"Not as a result of human activity on such a massive scale.",
"Try to look up some basic definitions before talking big, ignoramus:\n\ngen·der ˈjendər/ noun 1. the state of being male or female (typically used with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones). \"traditional concepts of gender\"",
"You seem pretty threatened. Why?",
"So trump can say he’s a female and be the first female president ?",
"https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-new-science-of-sex-and-gender/",
"Read and weep:\nhttps://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-new-science-of-sex-and-gender/",
"I hardly see people get \"offended\" at a one off mistake when first introduced, usually a soft correction is all that's needed. Its when the other person insists on using the wrong pronoun and getting mad over being asked to use a certain pronoun that anyone gets \"offended.\"",
"haha ok",
"> but assuming that climate change is bad\n\n...just wow",
"I will check it out when I stop gasping for air because of laughing. ",
"Reductio ad absurdum there, because Trump would need to sink further into his dementia to do that. But if a man who identified as a woman, like Caitlyn Jenner, did so, then yes they would be. Though I think it would be more of a \"first transgender\" president. ",
"You must lead a pretty boring life if the Oxford dictionary makes you laugh. My sympathies, bro.",
"You too, when you're spending all day arguing on Reddit about how there is an infinite amount of genders and then finding sources and spending time on that. Find a job, dude. ",
"This is some damn fine mental gymnastics right here folks. Gold medal. ",
"> I shouldn't have to spell it out for you like this but I'm becoming increasingly sure that you're a middle schooler who does not yet posses critical thinking skills so I'm going to be nice here\n\nAssuming the paternalistic role so you can feel justified in condescending is a sign of being shit at arguing.\n\n>Before Hubble, we had no grasp space beyond that of the milky way galaxy as it was scientific fact that there was nothing beyond the milky way.\n\n>Before Wegener it was scientific fact that the Earth had always been as it is today, but he provided reason to believe that all continents were once one, also answering a major question about evolution.\n\nComparing an absence of evidence and the prevailing assumptions absent any conclusive evidence being supplanted by empirical evidence of something and a corresponding theory to go with it is not what we're talking about. In fact what Hubble showed was something that previous scientists had already theorized. What people \"thought\" is not the same as a scientific fact. If you refuse to differentiate between the thoughts before we began a meaningful scientific investigation into something with hard data then this is a deadlock.\n\n>Before Crick and Watson, DNA was considered a scientific enigma... **which had been previously regarded as impossible**\n\nWhat we don't know is not the same as finding out what we do know isn't true. You refer to scientific facts and unsubstantiated beliefs interchangeably. Citing landmark discoveries and theories to explain them is not showing a proven theory is actually in fact untrue. An enigma is an area of science people openly question what the answer is, not something we speak with authority about the mechanism which explains the thing we call an enigma. \n\n>Hawking was a genius given the number of theories he made and proved about black holes, barraging what was previously established science regarding gravity and relativity.\n\nYou are very broad with respect to how you describe shattering facts since in reality most of what guys like Hawking do is address open questions or elements of physics that are understood to be imperfectly defined. You take liberties constantly here with what was displaced with these new theories. \n\n>He also fathered what would become the basics of string theory, which destroys every established fact about matter into obscurity.\n\nString theory is not in fact recognized in the manner you describe it. You describe the realities of what such theories mean for our current understanding of physics far more strongly than should be done.\n\n>All of these examples are exactly what you asked me for, but you lacked the ability to understand that, presumably because you were never familiar with what was cannon before them.\n\nThe problem is that you don't understand what developments are versus what are well substantiated accepted theories that are not shifting. Inquiry into physics is constantly changing because of open questions and understood frailties in previous theories. That is not the same as taking something for which we have very strong confidence, such as evolution, and upending it. You repeatedly use examples of ground breaking answers to questions we knew we hadn't answered yet as if they upend something concrete.\n\n>These paradigm shifts happen constantly\n\nNot in every field and not at every level. Investigations into physics are among the most dynamic owing to how much we KNOW we do not understand and prevailing theories are not substantiated the same way others in other fields are, particularly with respect to physical properties above the quantum level.\n\n>how unstable science really is\n\nThe vast majority of what we learn is new things we knew we didn't know that displace frail hypotheses or weak theories. The dynamics are not instability, they are in fact great stability in our ability to investigate what we do not know.",
"You do know that climate have changed before in our planet right?",
"Settled science :)\n\nI am still waiting for the one model that can make any useful prediction. We sure have lots of models which project warming that just isn’t occurring. Especially as I write this at -6 F.",
"Ok, but if someone is visually a female, right? I see them in person, they are a female, they aren't a man, they aren't a giraffe, they're not something that, well for lack of a better word(s), they're not. By reaction, i'm always going to see that person as a female. By memory, in the world I've lived in all of my life, that shouldn't have to be changed all of a sudden because some people which seem to be a minority in society in general, say so.",
"You keep conflating weather and climate. You also seem to not understand that warming is just part of the climate change. Many of the models actually predict more severe temperature swings, in both directions due to the changing oceanic currents. These currents are changing because the salinity of the oceans is changing, mostly due to the ice caps melting. \n\nYou seem to want to conflate multiple terms to suit whatever your argument you want to put forward. Please seek some further education into this topic. ",
"Touching the poop isn't the same as talking to the poop, touching = voting, but talking = commenting and is allowed. ",
"Pretty self descriptive really, they block puberty. \n\nBlocking puberty doesn't cause you to grow breasts, it's not even permanent, puberty can still proceed as normal afterwards if the person changes their mind. ",
"Pretty self descriptive really, they block puberty. \n\nBlocking puberty doesn't cause you to grow breasts, it's not even permanent, puberty can still proceed as normal afterwards if the person changes their mind. ",
"Haha yup bigotry. There's another one of your favs. Gonna call me a Nazi now despite the fact that I'm Hispanic? ",
"I assumed the paternalistic role because I think that you're genuinely confused on the subject and what constitutes a paradigm shift. Just because a theory is not as evident as the heliocentric model doesn't mean it didn't radically contradict it's preceding theory.\n\n> Hubble, Wegener\n\nHubble did not develop the idea of a static universe, he showed that it was way larger than we ever thought possible and that it is constantly moving expanding. Ergo, a paradigm shift. \n\nWegener did not develop the idea of a solid God-made Earth, he provided evidence that showed that the Earth is dynamic with an ever changing landmass via plate tectonics. Ergo, a paradigm shift.\n\n> Watson, Crick\n\nBefore Watson and Crick the established science was that proteins held all genetic information, ergo the discovery and acceptance of the DNA double helix model was a complete paradigm shift.\n\n> Hawking\n\nWhat was displaced is our understanding of spatial physics as a whole and the debunking of the longwithstanding black hole theory put out by Eintstein. Ergo, a paradigm shift.\n\n> String theory and quantum physics\n\nYou really downplay the implications of string theory and quantum physics for the sake of your own argument. These are probably the most prevailent contradictions that can be noted in contemporary science and show that the more we learn about the world the less we know we know. How light acts differently when observed and how two particles can be quantum locked at any range contradicts all previous developments in the field of physics. Ergo, a paradigm shift.\n\n> Developments vs. Paradigm shift\n\nThe longheld confidence in the ideas that preceded all of the examples I have given was dissolved upon the introduction of these said ideas. A development is simply building on what we know while a paradigm shift contradicts it.\n\nNot to mention my anthropology argument which you have completely omitted from your response. It is probably the most relatable contradiction that I have listed as up until recently it was considered common fact that humans came from Africa. Whatever the reason was you failed to acknowledge it, I'll assume that you simply couldn't dismiss it as another meager development.",
"Conflating :)\n\nWhen it fits the narrative is climate change...got it.\n\nWhen we are freezing our asses off its weather. That seems logical ",
"Weather =/= climate. You sound like Trump, \"Zomg guyz, it's cold!!! Take that science, LULZ!!!\"\n\n",
"Filling children up with exogenous hormones is never a good idea. If you think it's a good idea, you're out of your mind and should be expelled from society. \n\nDelaying puberty is permanent. You're disrupting a very complex rhythm that we don't fully understand.\n\nThen when these abused children grow up and kill themselves, people like you try to come up with bullshit unfounded excuses. \"Oh, society is at fault.\" Yeah, society is at fault; you're at fault for this shit.",
"maybe grow a shitty ass tiny mustache and take over the world about then dickhead.",
"I can't even.... ",
"I didn't realize that I have a phobia of not calling something, something that it isn't.\n",
"Mike why did Global Warming which was real change into Climate Change?\n\nThink hard about this one.",
"LOL someone's jealous...",
"What is your definition of causation if not that?",
"Because people are idiots who can't understand that a global increase in yearly temperatures does not affect everywhere equally. \n\nWe've continued to keep having the hottest years on record globally, but because it was cold last week...must all be a lie!",
"But people who believe in climate change that don't understand it don't need to use their lack of understanding as a point, they can defer to people who do. ",
"Is a person who believes in gravity but doesn't understand it it ignorant?\n\nAs long as the person isn't trying to pretend they understand that's fine. But in the case of climate deniers, they tend to use their lack of understanding to argue. ",
"> Delaying puberty is permanent. You're disrupting a very complex rhythm that we don't fully understand.\n\nWe don't fully understand gender dysphoria either, but ignoring it is clearly not a good idea, and this seems to be an effective treatment. \n\nAnd don't you fucking talk about people killing themselves, that's what this kind of thing is preventing. ",
"It was always global climate change, it got branded as global warming in the mid to late 90's. I'm guessing you're too young to remember. \n\nGlobal warming is very real and it is a PART of a larger climate shift, both of which are anthropogenic. Again, you really need to do some reading and stop just trolling in subreddit threads. . ",
"Yep, global warming. It’s -11 F",
"\"Effective\"?\n\nThere's no proof that it's preventing anything. They still kill themselves at the same rates.\n\nWhat's effective is nipping it in the bud and figuring out why your kid has abandoned their gender.",
"Hey man, it's okay. Not all of us are meant to graduate college...or High School.....",
"You didn’t Mike?\n\nOnline school for you. Maybe a climate degree building models that are better than the current crappy ones.",
"Literally all you do is get buttblasted by jokes, you can't use that as a defense",
"\"Every point I've made has been thoroughly defeated, so COMMUNISM SUCKS LOL\"",
"It's okay man. I get it. Trolling on here can help distract you from scary things in real life, like facts. When you get back from your shift at the gas station, feel free to let me know what your next troll response is. Most of us salary types have a long weekend. ",
"cute. but no argument. i guess you ran out of steam",
"Not scared at all. A warmer earth is better than a colder one",
">I assumed the paternalistic role because I think that you're genuinely confused on the subject and what constitutes a paradigm shift.\n\nThe problem is you're confused about what a scientific theory is. You use vague terms to generalize things that are not similar in order to justify your assertion. A 'paradigm shift\" is something you can use generously to make some point you think is compelling. The assertion that science is unstable as a knowledge base is unjustified by your assertions, even if we try to use this notion of paradigm shifts.\n\n_\"A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested, in accordance with the scientific method, using a predefined protocol of observation and experiment.[1][2] Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge.\"_\n\nThat's a theory. That doesn't include whatever people popularly held or speculated was true before anybody had ever been able to develop an actual model and method of testing that revealed something. When you talk about DNA you talk about the \"enigma\" as if that is the same as science throwing out its previous understanding, but that's not what happened with DNA. We had something we didn't know and we explained it. You are conflating the rapid progress we've made in the last century in revealing new scientific truths and exploring the complexities of our understanding of physics with the wholesale rejection of previous theories.\n\nWhen there was no established theory its not the same as rejecting a previously held understanding. Whats really changed is our general assumptions about reality in the scientific era have gone from making unfounded assertions about reality, as was done in the past, to understanding through the positive accumulation of knowledge that we in fact know nothing or very little about other things. Science is not unstable therefore, unless you think exploring new parts of the world and drawing new lines at the margins of a map that used to be blank is called \"unstable\". Whats unstable is the ability to say \"this map is the sum total of all we know\". What isn't unstable is the bulk of the writing on that map. Nobody will tomorrow say \"that continent over there, doesn't exist it turns out\". We've moved out of that unscientific era. Instead one day the shape of it will change, but the further forward in time we've gone the less those shapes need to be changed and we do not draw shapes we have no good reason to draw, unless we're into popular science publications that try to sell us new thoeries on physics as if theyr'e established hard evidence of a RADICAL SHIFT IN EVERYTHING WE KnoW THROWING OUT ALL PREVIOUS KNOWLEDGE ON THE SUBJECT@!@#!@#!@#\n\n> he showed that it was way larger than we ever thought possible and that it is constantly moving expanding. Ergo, a paradigm shift.\n\nWhat people think is possible and what people assert as scientific fact are not the same. Science revolutionizing our expectations is different to us asserting points of fact that we understand to be true based on scientific research that has provided concrete evidence of fact. You do not recognize the difference between changing our expectations of things we understand poorly or very little to things we understand well. What exists as assumption based on a dearth of knowledge is not the same as things we conclude based on a wealth of it. Everything you point to is an example of this actually, where assumptions are displaced by actual knowledge. Nowhere has our actual knowledge been displaced by new knowledge that made our previous knowledge accumulated over a long time utterly wrong. Classical mechanics isn't wrong, its just incomplete. This is because what we actually use as knowledge has practical effect. If it didn't we couldnt' call it knowledge. \n\n>Before Watson and Crick the established science was that proteins held all genetic information, ergo the discovery and acceptance of the DNA double helix model was a complete paradigm shift.\n\nYou use the term \"established science\" except that the advent of modern molecular biology came with a series of discoveries that solidified understanding of things culminating in the Watson Crick discoveries but they didn't originate the idea of DNA being as it was, it was proposed like many things to be a double helix by someone else. Their model for the double helix was the landmark. What people \"thought\" isn't the same as their landmark discovery. You cannot say that speculation or assumption without evidence is the same as what is discovered to be true.\n\nYou do not differentiate between the science of hypothesis and the science of theories substantiated through the method. There is no conceivable way that we will find out Watson and Crick were wrong. that has never happened before. \n\n>You really downplay the implications of string theory and quantum physics for the sake of your own argument.\n\nNo, but you overplay the qualities of string theory and how much its still contested owing to the fact that unlike many other things its still unsubstantiated. Physics is one of the most dynamic fields of science and whats more you ignore how most of the advances are iterative with parts of previous views ditched without being totally rejected. Classical mechanics isn't completely wrong just because of discoveries on the quantum level. Einstein's general relativity isn't completely wrong and useless because we've iterated and shown some of his predictions were wrong.\n\nIn many respects this is still just exploring what we could not observe before. When Darwin discussed evolution around the concept of gradualism he wasnt' wrong about other elements that are still shown to be true despite us rejecting the notion of gradualism. He predicted something that was wrong. Some things are established through evidence and then predictions are made to fill out the model. That's the iterative method. \n\n>The longheld confidence in the ideas that preceded all of the examples I have given was dissolved upon the introduction of these said ideas. A development is simply building on what we know while a paradigm shift contradicts it.\n\nYou mix together predictions and hypotheses for explaining things with alterations of firm understandings. Evolution is not going to be destroyed with a \"paradigm shift\" because too much of what it explains makes sense. You mention DNA only that wasn't a rejection of previous models, it was a proper establishment of a point of fact where we previously had no firm knowledge. \n\n>another meager development\n\nBut this is the thing, you seem to generalize all rapid or great developments as if they all indicate a destruction of previous confidences. I never said that DNA wasn't a fantastic achievement. I said it didn't throw out an established theory of well substantiated science. You said that.",
"Yeah, lets just pray the gay away! /s",
"Oh shit, you must be on break. It's all good. I know it's hard to understand that the earth doesn't benefit from unilateral cooling, warming, etc. It must be so terribly hard for you to understand the concept of \"ecosystems\" let alone interdependent ecological systems. \n\nDon't worry champ, I think you can get into night school, just make sure the manager at your gas station knows. ",
"Oh Mike, can you make that evil CO2 warm us up?\n\n-15 F now...it’s Fucking cold. Save us with your models. We need warmth. Oh wait this is weather...until it warms again and you call it global warming...I mean climate change ;)\n\n",
"But it's snowing in the desert, so it can't possibly be global warming!\n\n/s",
"Praying would be better than pumping them full of drugs and hormones, given that it...isn't harmful. Moron.",
"If that was actually what was going on, you may have a point. You'll get there one day champ. ",
"Its referencing global warming denial\n",
"We know global warming is real and driven by man because we challenged it with scientific method\n\nThe sign is referencing republican denial",
"Lol \n\n\"Scientists globally are lying about climate change but republicans in pocket of private interests are not\"\n\n\nToo stupid take up xD\n\n",
"Medicine and psychiatry arent on your side on gender dysphoria either lol",
"No, you challenge thing and things that survive are taken as true as evidence piles up.\n\n\n\n",
"Medicine and psychiatry dont agree with you on gender dysphoria either \n\n\n\n\n",
"The problem is you can't understand everything down to detail. One does not need to know every detail of global warming to understand plus see the historical evidence. ",
"Brown sauce is gross though",
"Anyone's inability to discern what you're talking about from vague rhetoric is very understandable.",
"You too sparky. Make it warmer I am freezing.",
"You're reading an awful lot into a simple statement. Most people, myself included, accept AGW. The \"spokesmen who have their own agenda\" of whom I speak include the Republican spokesmen whom you apparently despise.",
"*facepalm*",
"You say as you embarrass yourself defending scientifically illiterate republican party shilling for polluters",
"There's nothing to argue against. North Korea sucks because its leaders have failed to develop it.\n\nCrucially, not because of the IQ of North Koreans, which was exactly the same as that of South Koreans when the two countries split.\n\nAdmit you're ignorant. Admit facts are meaningless in isolation. Admit you were using facts to argue for scientific racism. Admit you were wrong.",
"You do realize that pumping people full of drugs is a fairly normal thing to do right? When you're trying to medically treat someone? \n\nSorry to say it, but your fear mongering rhetoric isn't working. ",
"Youre astroturfing for science denial\n\nScience and facts are only partisan for republicans who are unique in the world with their science denial ",
"Truly too stupid take up.\n\n",
"Your global warming denial astroturfing sure is : )",
"What part of \"Most people, myself included, accept AGW\" baffles you?\n\n",
"The part where its lying to protect republicans who deny climae change as party line and pretends they arent the source globally of science denial propaganda on this topic",
"> lying to protect republicans \n\nHow do you get that out of \"accept(ing) AGW\"? Do you even know what \"AGW\" means?",
"\n\n>How do you get that out of \"accept(ing) AGW\"?\n\nYour lie is most people accept global warming when republican party denies basic science like global warming as party line.\n\nWhat a pathetic self aware fraud attempt to deflect holy shit.\n\n",
"It's not a lie, and I don't believe it's even incorrect. Most people these days accept AGW. It's true that those who don't tend to be Republicans, but many Republicans even know it's most likely true.",
">Most people these days accept AGW.\n\nRepublicans deny climate change as party line.\n\nWhich makes this a transparently lie to astroturf on their behalf to try to confuse americans not aware of this fact.\n\n>It's true that those who don't tend to be Republicans\n\nNo. They deny as party line and are source of anti science propaganda.\n\nPlease have some self respect and stop lying to make them seem less shitty than they are.\n\nThanks",
"Republican *politicians* deny climate change as party line. Many Republican voters do not, but choose to vote Republican for other reasons. You need to learn to distinguish between political BS and mainstream voter beliefs.",
">Republican *politicians* deny climate change as party line. Many Republican voters do not\n\nThey really do deny also though.\n\nRepublican elected officials deny as party line but are trying to shake denial label and so are their voters coached by right wing propaganda.\n\nThey will tell you they believe in man made global warming but then in follow up questions will tell you man affects it to an insignifacant degree or that scientists dont agree global warming is caused by man or worse, that the planet naturally goes through warming cycles.\n\n\nThis is the exact same strategy that modern holocaust deniers use today, they admit it happened only to then say the number of jews murdered is greatly exagerated. Its to get foot in the door of mainstream to continue to deny.\n\nRepublicans deny to be able to pollute your air and water for profit and its a republican phenomenon.\n\nRepublican voters if you follow up with questions the polls you are basing your claim on did not ask, will tell you global warming isnt being driven by man or some other variation of denial\n\nThis is evident by fact they only elect deniers and the talking points you will see invariably repeated.",
"um according to the left, mexicans cant be racist",
"It's normal to pump people full of hormones? No.\n\nIt's normal to pump children full of hormones because mommy and Daddy told them that they're the wrong gender? It is nowadays, but it should be ceased immediately.",
"Using the appropriate and scientifically researched drugs to solve a scientifically researched medical problem is normal. \n\nGender dysphoria is a scientifically researched medical problem, for which hormones are the scientifically researched medical treatment. \n\nYou wouldn't complain about a kid's age if they were getting treatment for ANY other medical problem, doing it in this case is just completely arbitrary and ridiculous. ",
"Fuck off with those weasel words, it's clear you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.",
"It's not a fucking weasel word to call a medical problem a medical problem, and to call a treatment a treatment, that is literally the most straightforward description of what these things are. \n\nYou're the one trying to weasel away from how it's a medical treatment, by focusing on how they are hormones, and by pretending like messing with hormones is somehow completely different from all the other things that medical professionals mess with. \n\nIt's completely arbitrary, and you're clearly working backwards from the presumption that gender dysphoria doesn't exist or that being a transgender is a bad way to deal with it or is somehow immoral, simply none of of which has been backed up by any of the science that has been done on the topic. ",
"So other than conforming/not conforming to certain stereotypes and blindly trusting whatever someone tells you they are, how do you determine what makes someone nonbinary?",
"See a psychologist and I'm sure you'll see first hand how diagnosing works.",
"There are currently multiple equally valid theories on quantum mechanics. \n\nNewton gravity was a theory that was disproven. General Relativity is a theory that has known flaws but we still use it.\n\nThe thing is, it all IS just a theory. Well tested or not. Doesn’t make it reality.",
"Your inability to grasp religion is not a valid argument against it. "
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