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/r/pics/comments/7qhjgz/1_found_while_exploring_an_abandoned_building/
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[
"XEROX",
"Xerox?\n",
"/u/Rt2096, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule IV - Title violates title guidelines.\n\nYour title must not ask for general information or feedback. \n\nYou can read the full information about our title guidelines at /r/pics/w/titles\n\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/Rt2096&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7qhjgz/1_found_while_exploring_an_abandoned_building/?context=10\\))",
"It's a tag. The writers name is \"XEROX\". Look and you will see the letters. It is in english. ",
"aha, thank you! "
] | 5 |
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1 Found while exploring an abandoned building, What are these symbols?
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/r/pics/comments/7qhkmj/to_be_sweet_packed_a_lunch_for_my_husbands_first/
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[
"#wifegoals",
"That is very sweet. The first day on a job is stressful. But not having to worry about food makes it a little easier.",
"Good luck. Nice lunch &Nice new Job... ",
"You forgot these: I, his",
"I would of opted for the big az burger out of the wheel of death if that's what I opened up for lunch.",
"Well, at least *he* is employable. \n\nJust kidding everybody, jeez.\n\n**Edit#2**: You're tearing me apart, Reddit!\n\n**Edit#3**: Thanks for the gold kind stranger.\n\n**Edit#4**: made it to front page of /r/DownvotedWithGold \n\n**Edit#5**: This comment changed the future so I came back from said future to set things right. Sometimes negative karma is indeed positive karma.\n\nGood luck, and stay alive.",
"Is Reddit just Facebook now?",
"That one burns! I didn’t want anyone to tease him because I made his lunch for him. But I wanted to show someone. It was kind of a pretty thing that took some effort while he was already asleep.",
"What are you on about?",
"yw"
] | 10 |
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To be sweet, packed a lunch for my Husband’s first day at new job
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/r/pics/comments/7qhmal/front_row_seats_for_some_real_explosions_off_maui/
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[
"Seeing a pic like this makes me realize my manhood isn’t as big as I though it was. What a swell!",
"Swole.",
"We definitely had some 50’+, guessing a few 60’. I don’t surf them, just bob around and take photos...all the respect in the world for the guys and girls who do, it’s completely insane to consider.",
"Your a smart man for not riding. It’s an addiction to ride. A very dangerous one. ",
"Thats the upside of nukes... great surf. "
] | 5 |
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Front row seats for some real explosions off Maui this morning. Pe’ahi, otherwise know as Jaws. Best conditions in 2+ years this weekend!
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/r/pics/comments/7qhnjf/butterfly_lands_in_my_hand_in_ada_oklahoma_2013/
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[
"Amazing. She loves your palm and giving kiss",
"Butterflies have a very strong primal attraction toward semen. Interesting trick bud, but not that impressive, considering.",
"I go to ada every Monday and Thursday 😊",
"I haven’t been there since 2013.",
"Thats very interesting, but considering this is a place to post picture your science is pretty irrelevant. Good to know though....",
"Are you still in ok?"
] | 6 |
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Butterfly lands in my hand in Ada, Oklahoma 2013.
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/r/pics/comments/7qho7x/dog_in_a_parking_lot/
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[
"Waiting Boss. Waiting... Come fast",
"why they don't make cars like that anymore? ",
"This is what true happiness looks like.\n"
] | 3 |
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Dog in a parking lot.
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/r/pics/comments/7qhwg0/incoming/
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[
"The shadow looks like a wizard flying on a broom.",
"Can someone photoshop some wings?",
"x-post this to r/aww and r/photoshopbattles before someone else does",
"Intercontinental ballistic mutt",
"Where's this? I guess Idaho."
] | 5 |
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Incoming!
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/r/pics/comments/7qi1sm/blast_off/
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[
"holy shit where is this? that’s a pretty fuckin dope pic there my dude",
"This is the [source](https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080316.html). I just stumbled across it and thought others may appreciate it as much as myself :)",
"Looks like a cloudy spine ",
"from the shuttle days. niiiiiiice",
"I... Can't be the only one to see this. \nRight? \n\nA giant penis that is poking God!",
"I’m glad my penis isn’t shaped like that!!!\nBut yeah, I see it",
"Me too man. Me too",
"I think I see an elephant more so than male genitalia.",
"That is a perfectly valid observation. \n\nAs a penis it looks a bit too unpolished, but as an elephant it looks more \"realistic\".\n\nI have to gleefully agree with you on that.\nYou changed my observation. Kudos to you.\n\nIt looks like there is a giant elephant in the background behind the horizon that is about to climb over the trees and bring yellow happiness to the world. \n\nI'll name it Babaar",
"I am just here because I was stalking OP since we were fightin like kids over a toy elsewhere. Making sure he's not really an international assassin like he claimed in the other thread. :D (He's international... but with a pretty good cover if he's an assassin.)\n\nNo joke, I saw this live in Canaveral. STS-126. I am from FL, so I have seen about a hundred of these (No exaggeration). I watched them for months with my son in 07 and 08 leading up to finally being able to make the trip... luckily we made the trip back to FL to see this launch before the program was decomm'ed.\n\nThis was the absolute, hands down, coolest launch I had ever seen. I thought it was going to suck because of the clouds, but ohhh no. THEY made it happen. I don't know how to adequately explain this, but the lights from the rocket exhaust were reflecting off the clouds, and you can see concentric rings forming from the pressure as the shuttle climbed upwards. This was a full minute before it punched through the cloud at Mach speed. It's pretty obvious then, but you can't really pick up the ripple in the video.. but in person??? Man. THIS launch was the real life illustration I was looking for to show my son that we live at the bottom of an ocean of air. I never seen a good example of humans affecting a cloud in this way, so there were a lot of science lessons that day!!\n\nWELLLL, here you go... you only really see it at about 1:35. This video is pretty crappy so you barely see what I am talking about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WliAWJp3fLs I don't have a youtube channel, but I'll try to come back with a link to my video where you see the whole thing from the ground as it climbs.\n\nThanks OP, glad we met!! :)\n\n\nEDIT: Hahah in the video, someone says \"COOOL!!!\" when that happens. So I wasn't the only one!!\n\nEDIT EDIT: Well, crap. I can't find vids, but only pics... and they surely don't do it justice. I even have the official 1080i MPEG2 from NASA, and they don't even show it going through the clouds... too zoomed in. *SIGH* Oh well."
] | 10 |
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Blast off!
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/r/pics/comments/7qi41k/the_bus_wheel_pizza/
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[
"Always remember to tip your fork lift truck delivery driver.",
"what is the price of that bad boy ",
"An earlier death.",
"Guessing a few hundred.",
"The size of pizza corresponds to the size of the apartment. ",
" How big is that fucking oven?",
"It is really 4 pizzas I bet.",
"And no grease or cheese on the top of the box. Nice work, plastic dollhouse tables! ",
"Bus wheels are square?",
"Pfft - it isn't even round. 1/10; would not use on bus again. ",
"It's baked as one 54\" x 54\" pizza, roughly the size of 14.5 large pizzas. [This video shows them making it at 45 seconds in.](https://youtu.be/Gqd9LIFBL8k)"
] | 11 |
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The bus wheel pizza!
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/r/pics/comments/7qi65m/morro_bay_california/
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[
"My first time in America with my wife we drove to morrow bay after spending a week in Vegas. Sitting out on the deck of the local pub enjoying the sun and fresh air was amazing! ",
"nice picture",
"I live a few hours south of there. Morro Bay is one of my most favorite places to visit. Hope to enjoyed your visit. And I bet it was major culture shock compared to Las Vegas! ",
"Lol Las Vegas?? "
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Morro Bay, California
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/r/pics/comments/7qi6m4/my_first_attempt_at_astro_photography/
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"Wow. That's really beautiful. \n\nI doubt that my lack of experience and my Canon PS G12 could come close to that.",
"Thank you! I'm not familiar with that camera. I have a Nikon d3300 and I put on my 35mm af-s dx 1.8G",
"Don't pimp your social media in the god damn title. ",
"/u/Cardoso6, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule IV - Title violates title guidelines.\n\nYour title must directly relate to the event in the picture. \n\nYou can read the full information about our title guidelines at /r/pics/w/titles\n\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/Cardoso6&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7qi6m4/my_first_attempt_at_astro_photography/?context=10\\))"
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My first attempt at Astro photography. IG:zachcardoso if you wanna show love
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/r/pics/comments/7qi9va/the_beauty_of_fire/
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"Yes ,sometimes fire is beautiful.",
"It can be destructive as well, but when it’s in a controlled environment it’s amazing.",
"you are right"
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The beauty of fire.
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/r/pics/comments/7qiha0/this_little_guy_came_to_say_hi_while_working_in_a/
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[
"nice picture",
"He’s so stoned. Trust me, I know the symptoms of stonededness.....",
"Come to think of it he did ask for some dank ganj",
"Hey dude, you got any more of those Wednesday's around here?",
"I'm here to talk about your car insurance.",
"What interesting hands ",
"I had no idea Australian farms employed amphibious workers",
"Stoned and talking to random redditors while on the job, eh? I'd fire his green ass, if I was CEO of that banana farm.",
"Fun fact: Australian bananas curve in the opposite direction.",
"He’s planning to kill you, you know.",
"Looks like he came to judge your career choices.",
"Good thing you’re not. He’s a hard worker, just likes to enjoy his breaks. I mean he’s in the top 5 climbers and has been employee of the month 4 times. When Debbie, from accounting, needed to sell her daughters girl scout cookies, he bought them. He’s teaching Pablo’s future son-in-law Spanish and how to tango for their wedding next year too. Plus, remember when you were first trying to get dogecoin off the ground, who bought $500 worth? Yea that’s right, him. "
] | 12 |
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This little guy came to say hi while working in a banana farm in Australia
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/r/pics/comments/7qihlj/catfished/
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[
"big !! 5'3\" long .am i right ?",
"\"Martha, you know that this can never be. You have you're world, and I have to go back to bottom-feeding.\"",
"One of those should be thrown back for sure. ",
"Keep the one you can eat ;) ",
"Only in Russia ",
"Noodling in Russia amirite?"
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Catfished
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/r/pics/comments/7qihn1/snow_on_only_one_side_of_the_tree/
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"nice",
"Yeah sometimes snow will do that due to the differential decay property of some trees resulting from unique alignment of low-background radiation iron elements in the area where the tree was planted. ",
"The magic causing this is called \"wind\".",
"Ahhh it must be true north!"
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Snow on only one side of the tree!
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/r/pics/comments/7qilsn/shave_bro_youll_look_way_better/
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[
"🤷🏼♀️",
"You know you done fucked up right lol. \n\nDon’t worry you’re still cute. ",
"Don't remind WarOwl about the time he showed his face after having shaved",
"It’s kinda hard to be mad when you had 1/16 th of inch of hair to begin with.",
"You do look better. I think you just took a bad after picture ",
"Dont be Amish go mustache and all",
"/r/OnePunchMan",
"I think they meant for you to shave your chest.",
"They meant the eyebrows.",
"He's got a baby face👶"
] | 10 |
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"Shave bro, you'll look way better!"
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/r/pics/comments/7qiovb/need_guts_to_climb_the_mountain/
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[
"What kind? Bokoblin, or something more rare?",
"Its Rare Picture Of Himalayas.\n",
"No, god damnit! Exactly what guts do I need to mix with my coldy bug, to get the elixir I'll need to get to the top with my climbing gear?"
] | 3 |
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Need Guts to Climb The Mountain.
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/r/pics/comments/7qip18/frozen_ladybug_on_the_top_of_my_grassy_looking_car/
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"That frozen ladybug seems weirdly delicious.",
"just realized there is r/cutedeadanimals ...",
"(•.•)"
] | 3 |
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Frozen ladybug on the top of my grassy looking car.
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/r/pics/comments/7qipjd/the_milan_bosco_skyscrapers_in_italy/
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"That is great aesthetically and for the environment, but how safe is it? I mean the roots and weight?",
"That is explained a number of places on the interwebs. [Bosco Verticale](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosco_Verticale) wikipedia, has a wonderful writeup. ",
"> Bosco Verticale (Vertical Forest) is a pair of residential towers in the Porta Nuova district of Milan, Italy, between Via Gaetano de Castillia and Via Federico Confalonieri near Milano Porta Garibaldi railway station. They have a height of 111 metres (364 ft) and 76 metres (249 ft) and will host more than 900 trees (approximately 550 and 350 trees in the first and second towers respectively) on 8,900 square metres (96,000 sq ft) of terraces. Within the complex is also an 11-story office building; its facade does not host plants.",
"Thank you"
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The Milan Bosco skyscrapers in Italy
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/r/pics/comments/7qiqbl/someone_looks_at_us/
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[
"Source https://imgur.com/gallery/HAAgB",
"Show me what you got!",
"I for one welcome our new cloud overlords ",
"Imhotep",
"Oh we ded.",
"Looks fake. ",
"Return what you have stolen. ",
"It totally looks shopped. You’re right. ",
"/r/Pareidolia ",
"We like what you got!",
"Get schwifty",
"Get something else to watch on TV.",
"I don’t think it looks fake. Even if it was fake, it’s still really cool.",
"Its the colossal titan ",
"Definitely looks cool. But still looks fake. ",
"Why do you care that it looks fake?",
"Your assumption that I care is incorrect. I merely commented that it looked fake. ",
"Oh Goddammit!",
"Stormfather!",
"Stranger things season 3",
"Unite them. ",
"[Insert R&M reference] [expected karma gain 300]",
"Bring back the map!",
"Photoshop can see you!",
"Chillllllll",
"[Moses IRL](http://2.images.southparkstudios.com/images/shows/south-park/clip-thumbnails/season-3/0309/south-park-s03e09c13-the-conch-of-blind-faith-4x3.jpg?width=100%&height=100%&quality=0.8).",
"Do you ever feel like\n",
"life before death!",
"Thank you for reminding me I need to read book 3. One part of me is like... but it is nearly 1400 pages but then the rest of me is like... HOORAY 1400 PAGES OF BRANDON SANDERSON!!!",
"This is a robbery. ",
"yes you are right ha ha",
"CHILD OF HONOR. ",
"Supreme leader snoke!",
"That should have been the title to this post. ",
"Go forth. 1200 pages flew by like a fart in a hurricane.",
"Son of a bitch *sighs* okay guys, give me a few minutes. *bites finger*",
">*Oo ya waaling waaling wey tayil*\n\n>**The enemy of my enemy is my friend**",
"[show me what you got gif](https://media.giphy.com/media/26DOs997h6fgsCthu/giphy.gif)",
"strength before weakness",
">Go forth. 1200 pages flew by like a fart in a hurricane.\n\nreally?!?\n\nhurricane -> high storm\n",
"Show me what you got!",
"Lol. Opportunity missed 🎻"
] | 43 |
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Someone looks at us
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/r/pics/comments/7qit9f/i_was_a_god_when_i_walked_into_school_with_this/
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[
"What is it? ",
"Are we ment to know what this is?",
"Sega nomad?",
"Kids these days..."
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I was a god when I walked into school with this back in the day.
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/r/pics/comments/7qivoa/i_am_heading_towards_heaven/
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[
"Are you saying that cause you're flying or that you're suicidal and you're going to jump?",
"I’m afraid of heights- this gives me anxiety. There’s no seat belt or bar???",
"OMG! this view takes my heart",
"Errr nope. ",
"No I've just captured the view. I'm not gonna jump from there",
"There's seat belt but friend wants me to open up the belt and sit with him. You can see he's sitting next to me.",
"This is awesome! I don't think I'd have the guts to sit so close to the edge, but I've gotta say it looks like a hell of a thrill!",
"Is that Lauterbrunnen?\n\nEdit: spelling",
"Where is this? ",
"Yes it's Lauterbrunnen. Amazing place seriously.",
"Lauterbrunnen",
"I could tell by all the awesome. Can’t wait to go back some day. ",
"[Lauterbrunnen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauterbrunnen) is a village and a municipality in the Interlaken-Oberhasli administrative district in the canton of Bern in Switzerland. \n \n[The other side is beautiful too](https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8756/28318218650_33deede4ac_b.jpg)",
"thanks for appreciation.",
"You scared me for a second...",
"Nice view.\n\nEnjoy.",
"Thanks",
"Amazing view",
"I hope you shoes don't fall off",
"Ascension.\n\nAscension.\n\nAscension.\n\n*Hallelujah.*",
"Where is that ? D:",
">Heaven\n\n>Outer Heaven\n\n#THIS IS PEQUOD, ARRIVING SHORTLY AT LZ",
"agree",
"Can you imagine getting hit in the head by a shoe out of the blue? I would be questioning my sanity. ",
"This makes my stomach feel funny. Looks amazing though!",
"Ever see a man say bye to a shoe? ",
"haha thanks",
"Np"
] | 28 |
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I am heading towards Heaven
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/r/pics/comments/7qivvl/a_nilfgaardian_settlement_or_just_the_ideal_town/
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[
"wow amazing place.",
"Weird Sun.",
"Its got a very 'I am not a number!' vibe then a giant balloon attacks you from nowhere.",
"Witcher 3 ",
"Praise The Sun!",
"Where exactly is this?"
] | 6 |
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A Nilfgaardian settlement or just The "Ideal Town" by Tommaso Buzzi in Umbria, Italy?
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/r/pics/comments/7qiy7n/the_mayon_volcano_covered_by_clouds_in_the/
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[
"There'll be massive deaths if it's a big eruption. Many people doesn't have anywhere to go. ",
"Holy shit, hope you guys are safe. From your brethren at Bulacan.",
"That looks like the sun just peeked through the clouds on the summit. Earth doesnt glow red until magma is spewing ",
"Mother nature is scary as fuck!",
"Can we get a Vulcanologist to chime in here?",
"Not a Volcanologist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night and Joe VS the Volcano was on.\n\nSuggestion: Throw Tom Hanks into the volcano.",
"Are you kidding? Joe vs the Volcano is like your on-the-go course to be an expert. You are now a volcanologist!!!",
"Which is already happening."
] | 8 |
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The Mayon Volcano (covered by clouds) in the Philippines is currently in the verge of eruption that may happen in the coming days
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/r/pics/comments/7qj0yn/sad_story_behind_the_iphone_industry/
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[
"are they giant phones or tiny children?",
"iphones aren't mined like diamonds...",
"Apple is actually one of the first big tech companies to hold themselves accountable when it comes to ethically sourced raw materials. You can learn more about what steps they've taken and how they're tracking their progress here: https://www.apple.com/ca/supplier-responsibility/"
] | 3 |
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Sad story behind the iphone industry
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/r/pics/comments/7qj2iu/a_shot_from_the_metro_in_dubai/
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[
"I think you shouldn’t be standing here ",
"Awesome. Post in /r/itookapicture ",
"Hope it was nice while it lasted, OP."
] | 3 |
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A shot from the metro in Dubai!
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/r/pics/comments/7qj2k2/this_picture_of_the_australian_island_state_of/
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[
"All credit to u/RomancingUranus and his [gallery](https://imgur.com/gallery/3fuHU) of images.",
"Looks like jurassic park kinda.",
"Love tassie. If the world goes tits up I'm moving there.",
"Anybody got some cool facts about Tasmania?",
"Come to Tasmania.... Come to Tasmania...",
"[all I know about Tasmania is this guy](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/looneytunes/images/e/e1/230px-Taz-Looney_Tunes_svg.png/revision/latest?cb=20130825180200)",
"It is jurassic park kinda. A massive chunk of it is old forest protected by national parks.",
"Map of Tassie is slang for a womans nether region.",
"Stay away.",
"Stopped there in Hobart on a cruise. Went on a bus to a place which felt like Jurassic Park. Ferns the size of houses, prehistoric looking. Beautiful waterfalls, streams, and even platypus.\n\nFollowed it up with a sheep shearing demo at a ranch, which was actually a lot cooler than it sounds. You can keep the jumping jack ants though, they look *nasty*.\n\nTasmania 10/10, will be back for sure. Probably for at least a couple of weeks if not a month. Absolutely beautiful place!\n\nThis is why we love cruising - we can taste test many different places and decide which would be worth a longer stay next time.",
"You can drive around the majority of the east half of the island in about a week. ",
"Maria Island, just a bit north of Hobart, has a population of wombats so chill you can go up and pat them and they'll pretty much ignore you. \n\nAlso, you basically can't take a step without it landing on wombat poo.",
"Tasmania is the only place where you will find wild Tasmanian Devils. \n\nThey are becoming extinct because of a horrible facial cancer that spreads like a virus.\n\nOne cool fact and one shitty fact. ",
"For those who don't know, that's not the entire island state."
] | 14 |
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This picture of the Australian island state of Tasmania
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/r/pics/comments/7qj6uk/not_a_gorilla_walking_on_the_beach/
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[
"Why does it look like that hat is covering his ass? \n\nI know, I know, it’s a person. But when you look at the illusion you see some weird shit",
"r/misleadingthumbnails ",
"For some reason this makes me want to go fishing. I have no idea what gorillas have to do with fishing, though...",
"Took me way too longer to figure out what's going on.",
"Man, I had to put in work for this... I had to zoom in, look at a few things, the whole process was about 10 secs, but I was fooled. ",
"Good caption OP, its wording like that that makes or breaks a post.",
"The gorilla is giving birth to the human. ",
"The white cap gave it away for me. A black cap might have made my day.",
"Also not huge plumes of smoke. ",
"Dat ass",
"Looks like a gorilla shittin this guys head out of his ass",
"That gorilla has its head up its ass. Walking away from perfectly good food like that.",
"Proof that evolution is true! Check mate creationists!",
"[/r/Misleadingsublinks](https://www.reddit.com/r/spanishinquisition/)",
"Stop reposting this you fucking numb nut",
"Dicks out for...wait...Harold?",
"Had to double check the subreddit and then became even more confused. Took a while to find it.... ",
"So this is not a beach? It looks like a beach",
"It’s the white-rumped gorilla",
"But a red one would have looked sexy.",
"Fleshy ass prominence needs some warm coverage. ",
"I see a guy setting his poor reel in the sand.",
"Thought it was a gorilla holding a hat in between his butt cheeks.",
"For once I saw what the picture actually was before I saw what it looks like",
"didn't expect that",
"Must be great to have an ass that looks like a gorilla's head. \n\nAnd a head that looks like a gorilla's ass.",
"There is a fishing pole in picture?",
"\"That gorilla has something sticking out of it's ass! Oh, it's just the head of a white male wearing Oakleys and a baseball cap. Carry on.\"",
"This looks familiar for some odd reason...",
"[Or it's Frank hiding in a gorilla.](https://tv-fanatic-res.cloudinary.com/iu/s--C50LieK9--/t_full/cs_srgb,f_auto,fl_strip_profile.lossy,q_auto:420/v1371216762/frank-in-the-couch.png)",
"Well technically...",
"Is that Frank coming out of an ape ass?",
"It took me a long time to figure out how it looked like a gorilla until someone said the hat is on its butt",
"That's his tacklebag (sometimes called a Plug bag...dude to surf fisherman calling lures \"plugs\")",
"/r/pareidolia",
"Thought it was wearing a diaper",
"If I learned anything from my epistemology class, I'm more convinced than ever that there *is* a gorilla walking on the beach, just out of view over a hill. ",
"What an asshat.",
"Surf fisherman here - if you go fishing from the beach... Don't put your reel in the sand. It's very bad for it.\n\nThis guy might have taken care placing it so the mechanics of the reel isn't in the sand.... honestly though, it's bad practice for your reel.",
"/r/silhouwhat",
"This is a Cat Dog reboot.",
"Thought it was a rare pic of Harambe ascending",
"Gorilla ate human and pooped out the head.",
"He's talking about the cap on the gorilla's butt.",
"I can't unsee",
"This could be Jian Yang's next killer app: Gorilla, Not a Gorilla",
"First thing I saw too. Drives me crazy seeing people do that.",
"Estrus hat. ",
"Its a ***silverbutt*** gorilla ",
"Man when someone calls this guy buttface he has to accept it. ",
"Nobody does.",
"He’s got his head up his ass",
"You tryna tell me that I ain't seein what I'm seein when I know that I'm seein it?!\n\nFake news.",
"And now I'm saving this picture to toss into all of those annoying debates people have. ",
"I'd love you if you was the color of a baboon's ass.",
"The reel is a gastropod shell with legs.",
"According to my extensive research in fleshy ass prominence at various social clubs that may or may not involve poles that statement is false.",
"Amy, Jungle",
"r/misleadingthumbnails",
"What kind of shitpo...oh wait, I see it :)",
"But a 200lb gorilla.",
"r/ UNBGBBIIVCHIDCTIICBG --- upvoted not because gorilla but because it is very cool however I do concede that I initially clicked because gorilla",
"I've found a value to convert:\n\n- 200.0lb are equal to 90.72kg or 495.74 bananas",
"It took me so long to finally see the gorilla! That's a really good one. ",
"oh it's a gorilla with a man stuck to his anus.",
"There's a grown man crawling out of the gorilla's butthole.",
"Damn. You tried to tell me. ",
"\"Yo wait up I forgot the fish, let me grab it real quick\"\n\n\"Forget it, someone might see us\"\n\n\"Goddamet lawrence even if someone does, no one will believe them\"",
"That’s a good Ook-Ook.",
"That is an anal bum cover. ",
"Me too. Wondering how this got to the front page?",
"Im so disappointed. I was hoping for a gorilla....",
"Any non-gorilla beach pics get an automatic upvote",
"So its a gorilla giving birth to a human while taking a sunset stroll on the beach. And the human is so intelligent that it is already learning how to catch fish and protect its head from UV exposure before being completely born. Amazing. ",
"Yep I don’t know how you have missed it",
"Coolest monkey on the beach!",
"/r/misleadingthumbnails",
"Is it weird that I can't see a gorilla the first few times? Didn't really understand the picture until I scrolled down to the comments...",
"I thought it was a scene from Ace Ventura, Pet Detective. ",
"Fanny-pack game is strong.",
"Sometimes I'm amused by the kind of subreddits that exist.",
"Literally saw this right after a gif of actual gorillas. Took a second",
"Every single time!",
"Harambe lives!",
"r/mildlyinteresting, for sure.",
"All I can see is a gorilla giving Ace Ventura a ride. What am I missing??",
"I am looking at it on mobile, hence a small size photo. I don't know if you saw it on mobile as well, but to me, I wasn't sure if the caption was serious because it took me a while to see anything but a gorilla.",
"gotta CYA",
"Proof humans transformed from apes",
"It’s covering his Shithole",
"even though you told me. I still didn't believe ",
"I've seen this before but it still makes me chuckle every time I come across it.",
"r/confusing_perspective",
"Lmao i had to look 6 times. On the 4th i said “a white asses gorilla?”",
"Ace Ventura?",
"Monkey scientist here. AMA. Baboons often cover their red butt with hats of all kinds to stay warm during the winter months. Usually they will use baseball hats (team doesn't matter) but sometimes beanies and in even in some rare instances, cowboy hats. It has been observed they learned this behavior from watching television sets owned by African warlords deep in the Congo rainforest.",
"Harambe?",
"My exact first thought ",
"Kinda hot in these Gorillas... WARM!",
"r/misleadingthumbnails",
"/r/nocontext ",
"ahh the [2016 flashbacks.](https://i.imgur.com/Z8dJ96b.jpg)",
"I feel like I'm missing some back story here or something.",
"Dicks Out?",
"It kinda makes sense: https://www.inverse.com/article/24653-butthead-chimpanzees-face-inversion-human-evolution-facial-recognition",
"That gorilla really talks out his ass.",
"Because the picture can be interpreted differently, and some people perhaps thought it was funny!",
"Plug bag on the gorillas ass",
"That’s a good Ook Ook",
"r/misleadingthumbnails",
"Sounds like a cryptic crossword clue",
"Not walking, giving birth",
"Yeah same. I was so confused by the title I thought reddit had collectively gone mad. ",
"And opposable thumbs on his feet!",
"I saw a dude on the beach pulling a hook out of his catch. Took me awhile to actually see a gorilla. But I can see both now fairly easily ",
"So they could shit in Steelers 2018 SB hats",
"Isn't that a MAGA hat? Are you sure it is not a gorilla? ",
"Probably a lot of small screen mobile users who just upvoted and moved on, since it may somehow look like it on the really small screens.",
"I thought this was suppose to be a racist or insult pic but it turned out to be illusion picture.",
"> I thought reddit had collectively gone mad.\n\nwell, not far away",
"A bear eating a fish. Looks normal to me",
"I read the title as \"not a godzilla\"... \nFor fucking 5 minutes i'm thinking it's not even close to a godzilla",
"Harambe?",
"Half man, half gorilla.",
"There is actually a fish too",
"Ass Ventura?",
"Zooming in on the thumbnail just a smidgen really supports your point.\n\n",
"he goin gorilla",
"This gives the word 'butthead' a whole new meaning.",
"Just glad the actual picture is a white guy",
"~~LMAO~~ LMHO*",
"Your name is liar because you're telling lies!",
"/r/hmmm",
"Wow",
"Lol this comment wins",
"I think his whole body is up his ass.",
"Gorilla could throw that ass back something serious. ",
"Monkey scientist checking in again. This is a common misconception. Baboons, chimps and great apes do not watch football and are more prone to Rugy or women's volleyball. Recent studies suggest it is due to the bubble butts often seen on many of the players. It was observed that chimps will stare in fascination for hours on end if given a television set with women's volleyball. Interestingly enough, if they were shown episodes of Golden Girls or the NBA, they would become enraged and sling their fecal matter at the keepers. AMA.",
"DCUO anyone?",
"Not man putting a smaller man in a canoe on water",
"Dicks out still in 2018\n\nRIP sweet prince ",
"...and all I got was this stupid ape with a fish.",
"But totally a gorilla walking on the beach.",
"/r/misleadingthumbnails ",
"[ace](https://youtu.be/Nh2iyPmucFk) ",
"I was on mobile and still had to try and figure out what op was on about.",
"I mean, it still could be...",
"/r/illusionporn",
"Couldn't say this if the guy was black, an H&M would be destroyed ",
"This made my day perfect",
"Make sure to put an /s in case a guilible person believes it",
"Don't you mean \"butt\" a gorilla?",
"Same",
"You sure?",
"Well, it is a primate (ape) walking on a beach.",
"Or the fish either if you can help it. Dry sand is pretty rough on the slime coat.",
"Monkey scientist again. These are stone cold facts and quite extraordinary. Life is fascinating.",
"Wow look at you, just better than everybody else I sure hope we can live up to your greatness some day",
"I’m on mobile and had to click and go to the comments to see how it was a gorilla lol",
"Coolest monkey on the beach\n",
"Ah yes, the illustrious Silver Assed Gorilla. Jane Goodall would be proud",
"*i don’t get it.. *\n*checks sub...*\n*nope, no special sub either.. wtf am I missing...*\n\nOh.. ",
"Top 10 Weirdest Sexual Fetishes ",
"Might be a Yellow Eyed Devil (aka: bluefish)...so you have to be careful and pin it down, or you'll lose a finger. Big bluefish aren't a joke.",
"/r/misleadingpictures",
"reincarnation the other circle of life.",
"Why you do dat?",
"Lol",
"Looks more like a chimpanzee covering it's ass with a baseball hat out of modesty because it is probably all red and swollen and bumpy. Probably smells like monkey butt, too...",
"D I C K S O U T ",
"Can I paint you nude",
"Probably because OP pointed it out.",
"I don’t get it",
"No, ass-hat",
"Nice catch!",
"Bigfoot Sighting 2017",
"If you look at the right (his left) hand, it looks like a shirtless person leaning on a rock and staring into the sunset. [Click](https://imgur.com/a/LPekp)",
"/r/confusingperspectives",
"To me it looks like a gorilla on a beach, giving birth to a man in a hat",
"Yes huh! Oh, wait.",
"We are a bunch of mad lads",
"r/misleadingthumbnails",
"Looks like I took my dick out for nothing",
"Crossing my eyes and focusing far away in my office let me kinda see it out of the corner of my eye",
"#I was born with glass bones and paper skin. Every morning I break my legs and every afternoon I break my arms. At night, I lay awake in agony until my heart attacks put me to sleep.",
"Er det en abe?",
"could be a gorilla that swallowed a man and is trying to poop it out?",
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"An evolved gorilla.",
"Hey, assbutt!",
"I saw a gorilla for about one second before seeing the man. Welp.",
"And sometimes I'm not. ",
"Gorilla with a bonobo monkey ass",
"Hey whatever happened to r/misleadingthumbnails?",
"H I G H\n\nL E V E L\n\nK A H N T E N T",
"Bamboozled again",
"I didn't see a gorilla before I read it but now I can't unsee it",
"\"Why did this guy post a picture of a gorilla walking on the beach but title it \"Not a Gorilla Walking on the B...\"\n\nOhhhhhhhhhh.",
"I am bamboozled!",
"Ace Ventura. ",
"It is amazing to me that people to this day still deny humans are evolutionary cousins to the gorilla.",
"r/misleadingthumbnails ",
"\"Your face, your ass... What's the difference.\"\n-Duke Nukem",
"This comment kind of triggers me bud ",
"CHOCOLATE!!!!",
"It took me a bit. If you hadn't put the \"Not\" at the beginning I won't have questioned it. I was just wondering what the white thing on its ass was.",
"[relevant futurama](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-L_gF9ZUAu4E/TfF8YvjUbSI/AAAAAAAAAZk/gmHz8inowlk/s1600/imagesCAYGMB83.jpg) ",
"r/confusingperspective",
"Stupid logical brain. I saw the guy. ",
"doesn't look anything like a gerilluh",
"Other times I'm like meh",
"Such a terrible post. ",
"“What’s a gorilla doing on the beach in the first place?” \n\n“Well, it's funny you should, uh, you see, George, they're on to us!”",
"I did see the picture of Jesus crying, tho\n\n\nHe had just gotten married and he was standing with his new wife. ",
"This could be I'm misleadingpics",
"its a gorilla until you saw that he is wearing his cape on his butt.",
"But but but the title says it's *not* a gorilla. \n\nI think it's a gorilla. ",
"r/confusing_perspective",
">I thought reddit had collectively gone mad.\n\nThis picture would not have been your first clue.",
"I stared for 1 minute and was like: wtf, is he trolling me, I can't see anything but a gorrila\n\n5min later: ohhh",
"What a butthead",
"Ok, but do you know anything about jackdaws?",
"I'm on mobile and it took me awhile to see anything but a fucking King Kong! The fishing pole looked like a a pier to me!",
"With its tongue sticking out. Cutie",
"r/silhouWHAT",
"I agree with both. Protect that reel from getting sand in it, and protect that fish from dying (unless that's dinner, then fish on).",
"Hats out for Harambe.",
"Enhance...\n\nEnhance...\n\nEnhance...\n\nOH!",
"My first thought: \"WHAAAT?!?, this gorilla wears a butt hat!",
"/r/silhouwhat",
"It's not walking, but trying to pass a human that it ate. I can see the head.\n\nGood thing it wasn't \"breach birth\".",
"thanks for explaining. i don't think i would've gotten it. i actually thought it was a reference to something else.",
"/r/misleadingthumbnails",
"Bird scientist/monkey scientist here. A jackdaw is a passerine bird in the crow family. Found across Europe, western Asia and North Africa, it is mostly resident, although northern and eastern populations migrate south in winter. Four subspecies are recognised, which mainly differ in the colouration of the plumage on the head and nape. Linnaeus first described it formally, giving it the name Corvus monedula. The common name derives from the word \"jackass\" from the popular Johnny Knoxville T.V show\", and \"daw\", the native term for \"Da Bears\" or also \"Daw Bears\" which Chicagoans use for describing their beloved football team.",
"Looked like a gorilla shitting a neatly clothed human \n\nEdit: forgot the human ",
"Yeah the fish, rod and reel kind of stand out like a sore thumb.",
"I only saw the gorilla first because I saw the thumbnail that made it really look like a gorilla. Once I opened the image, I finally the person after a second.",
"I already knew i dont get it",
"It's pretty hot in these gorillas...",
"Read the title still saw a gorilla walking on the beach... am I retarded?",
"Am disappointed.",
"Paging H&M..",
"Whoever reposts this to /r/misleadingthumbnails deserves grievous rebuke ",
"Déjà rêvé",
"It's more visible in the thumbnail. r/misleading thumbnails",
"Love this",
"Checkmate, creationists.",
"Please someone shop ace Ventura coming out the gorillas ass!",
"r/confusing_perspective",
"If he wore a red hat, that would be perfect.",
"Wow. I really had to lean in to see what I was looking at. \n",
"I won't be the first to tell that guy he looks like a gorillas butt.",
"r/hmmm",
"I saw a baboon first. I had to find the man. I said where is babhu, show me babhu. There’s no babhu. Babhu is in Pakistan. ",
"yeaaah, i had to shrink it down and there is was! awesome! ",
"Whoa!",
"Hmmm that gorilla ass 😍😍",
"Honestly thought it was a samsquantch ",
"Sorry I couldn’t give you more upvotes!",
"\"And when I was a monkey, I was so dumb I tried wearing a hat on my bottom\"",
"Me too. I thought “wow, looks like that gorilla is going fishing! Wacky stuff.” Then I read the caption. Shook. ",
"In the mist.",
"R",
" NJ Surf. ",
"I suppose I would not see it as a gorilla at the first glance without the hint from the title. ",
"r/misleadingthumbnails",
"OP actually ruined title. Should have written \"Gorilla on the beach\". It would have been so much fun.",
"The Spanish Inquisition, that is.",
"Maybe not a gorrila but def has the distinctive monkey ass hemoroid deal going on",
"It is a very nice asshat. I wear a ascot to keep things in place.",
"Well, it is a primate (ape) walking on a beach.\n\n",
"I remember when this one came to exist. There was a picture something like this. Somebody was like, \"there should be a subreddit for this.\" Then, that same dude (or the OP I think) was all like, \"screw it, I just made the subreddit. Who be the mods?\" \n\n\nMy recollection is fuzzy, as I'm an idiot, but it was something like that. I guess that's every subreddit ever, though. \n\n\n",
"looking for some foliage, not interested in fish supper",
"Ace pincters as what?",
"\"Man, it's getting hot in this gorilla.\"",
"When you’re hot you’re hot.",
"Just a helping a fish ",
"so this is basically the same as r/misleadingthumbnails but just more explicitly misleading",
"WAT!? Wat did he say?",
"r/confusing_perspective",
"/r/misleadingthumbnails",
"r/misleadingthumbnails",
"This picture has at least 3 JPGs.",
"The mother gorilla is giving birth!",
"“Don’t use that picture of me, I look like a gorilla’s ass” ",
"I thought it was a Gorilla with a hat on its butt. \"Silly, gorilla. You can't wear hats like that!\" ",
"/r/outoftheloop ?",
"Brilliant.\n\nThis made me think of the video that instructs you to watch a bunch of people dribbling a basketball around and while your attention is supposed to be there someone in a monkey suit walks through the middle, possibly unnoticed.\n\nI have to admit, I did not notice the monkey in that video or this picture at first. What do these two things have in common? Monkey. Thats it.",
"This photo is a hell of a Rorschach test",
"This would make great content for The Gorilla Channel",
"/r/confusing_perspective",
"\"...like hell it's no-...oh, yeah, nah it isn't...\"",
"You want it to be one way, but it's the other way\n\n-Marlo Stanfield-",
"DA Bears DA Bears DA Bears. ",
"u kidding?? it does look like gorilla to me.... infact two of'em....",
"Impossible, that's not where babies come out. ",
"Well, that's an accurate title.\n\n",
"If that was a Gorilla - he sure did miss leg day!",
"Great show.",
"Cannot. Unsee.",
"i'm on tablet, so i saw the picture medium sized ",
"/r/misleadingthumbnails\n",
"It's ok if it's a van staal (I believe from the picture it is). Designed to be fully sealed and immersible in salt and sand. ",
"*Coolest monkey on the beach*",
"I can’t unsee it.",
"Took me about 15 minutes to finally snap to it. Fuck you.",
"He caught a lunker.",
"Some might say... He looked like a smudge from a distance...",
"Of course not. It's a gorilla walking on a beach with a man sticking out of it's butt.",
"Harambe 2018.",
"Thought that was a gorilla pooping out a human",
"That was the joke buddy ",
"[\"Why bother? I've got nothing to live for. I was miserable as a genius, and as a monkey, I was so dumb I tried to wear a hat on my butt.\"](http://www.hwdyk.com/q/images/futurama_1_11_14.jpg)",
"Maybe /r/confusingthumbnails but when viewed full size it's actually hard to see the gorilla.\n",
"Donald Trump will be disappointed.",
"I saw them at the same time and it was like I was looking at two different pictures at once. My brain hurt.",
"r/confusingperspective ",
"That's a funny looking turtle head you got the Mr Gorilla.",
"Once you see it, its difficult to un-see! ",
"Thought that might have been Harambe... :'(",
"Is that mr robot?",
"/r/misleadingthumbnails ",
"R/misleadingthumbnails",
"No, but it IS a gorilla walking in the beach with a human head sticking out of it's ass. ",
"I was the opposite and was very confused what that gorilla had on its ass and why",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko0J8Ft_bxg",
"*giving birth to a fully formed adult human. ",
"/r/confusing_perspective ",
"/r/misleadingthumbnails/",
"Where is this from? Quite nice.",
"Nice fish! What kind?",
"Hes not monkeying around with that fish ",
"you're right: it's not a gorilla walking on the beach...it's a gorilla GIVING BIRTH to a human on the beach!",
"clearly that is a chimpanzee, frickin amateurs. ",
"The fuck clicks the up on this kind of thing?",
"I see both at the same time and it’s really tripping me out. ",
"/r/nanotechnology !",
"That’s harambe in spirit incase y’all didn’t notice ",
"This image is a good candidate to feed machine for learning, or for confusing. ",
"The Oval Office would ptobably be disappointed.",
"Clearly...",
"/r/unexpected",
"Don’t let gorillas skip leg day.",
"I think you mean \"Still not a gorilla...\"\n \n Now go find some OC, you bundle of sticks. ",
"*Not a Gorilla with a human coming out of his ass walking on the beach (**There, fix it for ya**)",
"Doesn't look like it anyway.",
"Man eating gorilla poops out human head. ",
"Van Staals are sealed, and you can reel while immersed without the reel flooding. Very few people actually own van staals...considering the price tag (~500-800 USD+ new).\n\nHowever, you still do not want to put it in the sand, without first washing it off (even if it's in saltwater) before reeling. Grinding sand in the mechanisms isn't good.\n\nWith that said, it's still bad practice to put the reel in the sand.\n\nSource: I own a Zee Baas, and the wife has a Van Staal (I bought for her)",
"Not a gorilla on diaper",
"How can anyone be out of that loop?",
"This is Jeff right? ",
"Such a repost ",
"Somehow a bigfoot believer will twist this into a legit photograph.",
"I saw the title first and wonder if I would have seen it as a gorilla if I hadn’t.",
"Oh... I guess I see the gorilla now. File this under /r/notinteresting",
"I'm on mobile and just saw a guy messing with a fish on the ground",
"Saw the fishing rod. Still thought: why does that gorilla have a fishing rod? ",
"Looks like a Gorilla, with its tongue stuck out",
"Absolutely. Gorillas would have no ass-hat. \n\nGorillas don't have pink bums anyway, do they?",
"This was a fun waste of time 10/10 would read again until the humor gets stale eventually and I get bitter",
"I couldn't get the gorilla out of my sight to see the man for far too long of a time",
"His head looks like a baboon’s ass",
"The catch looks like a baby dolphin or a porpoise :(",
"It's a gorilla wearing a hat on its ass. ",
"r/confusing_perspective",
"/r/misleadingthumbnails",
"This is actually a deleted scene from Ace Ventura: Pet Detective.",
"Plot twist: Its on the seabed.",
"Broken arms, you say",
"I'm on mobile but the first thing I noticed were the hands and hat so I interpreted it as what it was. Took me a few seconds to form the gorilla image. ",
"This reminds me of a joke.\n\nWho didn't let the gorilla into the ballet?",
"I thought it was a joke about Google not being able to classify Gorillas - oh well.",
"What an ass hat",
"What kind of fish is that?",
"In agony*",
"What an ass hat ;P",
"I give up.....\n\nWho?",
"Ah yes, The silverass'd gorilla.",
"I actually had another window open perfectly covering all of the human elements just as the page opened. At first I thought, \"How is this not going to be a gorilla on the beach?'",
"Is she really going out with him?\n\nIs she really gonna take him home tonight?",
"Get that rod out of the sand ",
"darwin's theory \n\n\n\n\"humanilla\"",
"Butt head Gorilla.",
"Coulda fooled me",
"I cringed so hard when I saw this",
"/r/pareidolia",
"I was there too, and my fuzzy recollection agrees with yours. Pretty sure that's how it went down",
"Once you see it....",
"I did not think for once this was a gorilla and I was pretty confused to why some guy bending down got 30k\n",
"/r/misleadingthumbnails",
"Even after reading the title it took me 2 looks to notice it really ain't.",
"You got me on this one!",
"Realy first i saw thought gorilla walking.",
"Same",
"Hombre is remembered everywhere #RIP",
"I've seen gorillas with similar white man head asses before, but they are quite rare.",
"r/misleadingthumbnails",
"Do u mean Harambe?",
"What he is wearing glasses on his butt..",
"Me too. I have one rule: put the rod in a rod holder. \n\nWhen I bring new fisher people, I it extra rod holders out... And they get the crappiest reel",
"Shit. ",
"I wondered why the gorilla was wearing a hat on his/her butt.",
"You mean Dian Fossey.",
"r/misleadingthumbnails",
"Is this guy a butt head or a monkeys ass.",
"It looks like a dude gutting a fish to me...?",
"r/illusionporn",
"Holy Jebus! That gorilla ate a man whole and that man survived digestion to try to escape a gorilla asshole! I've seen it all!",
"Says you",
"[That's how they wear them.](https://i.imgur.com/g9SAfuI_d.jpg)",
"Cannot *unsee*",
"/r/misleadingthumbnails\n",
"Good eye! That's a rare head-assed baboon. Its name comes from the fact that its ischial callosity (butt callus) resembles, from certain angles, the head of a middle-aged man wearing sunglasses and a baseball cap. They like to spend mornings looking for washed up fish on beaches, typically moving back into the shade as the sand becomes too warm for their liking.",
"You might enjoy r/ofcoursethatsathing",
"Reposts? Really reddit? A site of your talents",
"Are you sure ? Might have to call in the guys at r/conspiracy on this one. ",
"That was a Rhino",
"That is clearly a gorilla walking on the beach. ",
"Does this Caucasian head make my ass look big?",
"Do the use the red Maga hats too? ",
"I was wondering why a gorilla had an ass hat",
"That gorilla has its head up its ass",
"Common he’s not that ugly.",
"It looks like a misleading thumbnail that somebody resized.",
"/r/silouwhat",
"Alright, ya got me.",
"Just whoever was in charge of that decision.",
"Looks like an aardvark with a bootay",
"Sigh... *let’s mom unzip* ",
"With a head coming out its ass.",
"what is this :D funny",
"Monkey scientist checking in. It depends. The political preference of chimpanzees is not an area well studied in the scientific community. However there was a study a few years ago where several chimpanzees were locked in a room with two colored signs. One was red, the other blue. Most of the healthy chimps congregated around the blue sign whereas the less intelligent chimps seemed to like the red. When pictures of Trump were shown they immediately began flinging feces and screaming bloody murder. It was terrifying to watch and vanilla ice cream helped calm them down. So our team of scientists gathered enough data to realize most chimps probably don't like Maga hats but we never conducted enough studies. Bonobos on the other hand are fascinated with Bernie Sanders images and will rapidly hump his image without any kind of reward system. AMA.",
"Life is like a hotwheel track and im a playmobile",
"do what I did. Smash your screen to bits. Now you'll see them el rapido.\nYou're welcome.",
"https://imgur.com/a/CPQp3",
"Ban you did it for me",
"Not long ago I used to see pictures and memes on Instagram and Facebook after I had originally seen them on Reddit. These days Reddit funny is just pics like this which have been going around social media for weeks.\n\nWhat changed?",
"I read title, which made me subconsciously see a gorilla..",
"I was trying to figure out if the gorilla picked the head up with his butt....",
"/r/misleadingthumbnails ",
"With that arse, it's definitely a baboon. ",
"It really does look like a gorilla. ",
"/r/cantbeunseen",
"This gorilla is definitely an asshat",
"I immediately thought gorilla. \n\n",
"Yeah sure! Harambe!",
"Fear the walking gorillas ",
"dicks out",
"Or a baboon with a bare butt. ",
"Ace Ventura reboot confirmed?",
"r/misleadingthumbnails",
"Ass-hat",
"r\\pics THERE'S A BUTT FACE/FACE-BUTT ",
"That ain't no gorilla, that's there's a kwijibo.",
"Or is it?",
"I'm more impressed that a gorilla can catch and gut fish all by itself. ",
"When I first saw this, I thought, \"well duh, its a baboon... Didn't you look at its butt... oh thats a person\"",
"Off course it’s a fucking gorilla. *zooms in* ....... shit...",
"I was staring at the monkey before I read the headline and it took awhile for my eyes to not see a monkey after reading it ",
"https://imgur.com/uVQn8v7",
"CHOOOOOCOOOLAAAAATTEEEE",
"YOU BEAT ME TO IT YOU SON OF A BITCH!!",
"that gorilla has a guys head on his butt..\n",
"You don't need a colostomy bag when your butt works. ",
"I was not fooled. Already saw this on the gorilla channel. ",
"That's striped bass surf fishing. Probably northeast USA.",
"By george there's a man in it's ass",
"Hehe. Butthead",
"Had to be.",
"...how does anyone see a Gorilla in this picture...?",
"I feel like I'm in that scene from the matrix where neo meets the Oracle. Would I have seen the gorilla if you didn't tell me about it?\n",
"that would mean that the guys face isn't a gorillas ass.",
"Aha! Look up r/purpleloco ",
"I can literally not see the optical illusion in this picture...",
"I saw a guerrilla before I read the title and it took me a min to see what it actually was. I couldn’t unsee it and couldn’t figure out where the guerrilla was. ",
"me also too",
"that ain't a Gorilla, it's his evolved form!\nNice click!!",
"really its look like a gorilla"
] | 506 |
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Not a gorilla walking on the beach
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/r/pics/comments/7qj84n/this_house_in_miami_florida/
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[
"Zombie proof",
"Stock it with fish and I'm there.",
"It looks like the lair of a Columbian drug lord",
"Do you want gators? Because that's how you get gators. "
] | 4 |
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This house in Miami, Florida
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/r/pics/comments/7qj8hl/carpathian_mountains/
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[
"close up of the mountaintop cross\nhttps://www.rumaniamilitary.ro/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Crucea-Caraiman-PB070567.jpg",
"Damn that's beautiful",
"Yea men check my channel, is a new one but i will up more photos from my trips in Romania ",
"That is my mother land. I live vicariously through you"
] | 5 |
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Carpathian mountains
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/r/pics/comments/7qjc3r/when_dad_comb_my_hairs/
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[
"His dad must be Guko",
"hehehehheee",
"Pretty much how I look in the morning. ",
"mee too."
] | 4 |
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When dad comb my hairs
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/r/pics/comments/7qjcw3/supper_powers/
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[
"What's cookin?",
"I love the way he lunches it from one page to the other ",
"I thought ild see a steak with mashed taters and a sumptuous salad",
"I prefer to say dinner powers",
"Yum.",
"I love the way the pencil breaks fast",
"Wow it actchewlly snacks the pencil in half",
"*super",
"You can almost hear the paper brunch from the impact.",
"I always have supper powers when I’m hungry ",
"I love the way it does how it is"
] | 11 |
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Supper powers
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/r/pics/comments/7qjeh3/the_mad_hatterpillar_a_caterpillar_that_uses_its/
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[
"Stranger things have happened on this planet...",
"[Not quite as impressive from the side](https://imgur.com/a/E0zpd), but the name is funny.",
"I would like to attend this tea party good sir",
"If it gets the smaller ones first, how does it make so they’re on top?"
] | 4 |
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The ‚Mad Hatterpillar‘ - a caterpillar that uses its discarded head capsules as a hat
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/r/pics/comments/7qjh7p/octopus_drowns_bird/
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[
"Looks like seagull eats octopus ",
"Tent-THICC-cles",
"I read rhis as, \"octopus bird with down syndrome\"\nI was thinking, \"wow, that's unique!\""
] | 3 |
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Octopus Drowns bird...
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/r/pics/comments/7qji4i/leafclad/
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[
"Looks like this could be used as a teaser movie poster for some M. Night or Del Toro movie. Where is this? ",
"I'm afraid if I walk through there I'll have to fight a boss.",
"[Here](https://i.imgur.com/Z3EGbKE.jpg) is a higher quality version of this image. Credit to the photographer, /u/vg1746, who took this at their apartment/hotel in Vienna and [titled this](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/4ll8sp/the_pool_above_my_apartment/), \"The Pool Above my Apartment.\"",
"Looks like its from Nier: Automata",
"I feel like I’m falling just looking at that.",
"Beautiful but just looking at this made me claustrophobic ",
"Oh man. What kind of boss is on the other side?",
"I've never heard of M. Night Del Toro. Hopefully he's better than those other M. Nights",
"Fog Door ahead.",
"Have you heard of M. Night or Del Toro though?",
"Would be a nice gif if the clouds were moving. ",
"-puts hand gently on u/AngrySmapdi 's shoulder- It's okay. He needs money for vagina so we need to be understanding of his plight ",
"So many ants!",
"This terrifies me for some reason",
"It's like a nicer version of the sunken place in Get Out.",
"Portal to Stormwind!",
"At a quick glance it almost looks like the view from the bottom of a grave.",
"Looked like looking up out of a grave to me from the thumbnail.",
"Reminds me of the entrance to the unknown tomb in final fantasy 8",
"TROGDOR!!!! ",
"Take the shot at midday. ",
"I remember the original having an airplane going through it ",
"Looked at this longer than I probably should have lol, but yes it's different and sure makes ya think.....interesting.......",
"Soo many spiders.",
"Reddit has taught me how big of a pain in the ass it would be to remove all of that from the walls.",
"Is this in the Montgomery build at Portland State university?",
"Most underrated comment I've seen in a fortnight. *tips fedora*",
"Looks like a painting by Magritte. Where is the location of this?"
] | 28 |
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Leafclad
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/r/pics/comments/7qji7d/if_this_creeper_would_have_managed_to_turn_the/
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[
"Whose ancestors' among you is Salazar Slytherin?",
"What’s it doing there? I’d move city ",
"No thank you. Far too much Resident Evil on that door ",
"Their forked tongues can also pick locks.",
"Friend teaches remote, he had this problem and while he was stressing about what to do one of the aboriginal boys just picked it up, while all the other kids looked non plused because this was like catching a spider",
"Take my upvote damnit.",
"*\"THE NEW Snek Intruder Prevention System! S-I-P-S! Tell burglars to Take a Sip!\"*",
"Credit to /u/jennthemermaid for [this image and title](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/39afh5/if_this_creeper_would_have_managed_to_turn_the/).\n\n",
"Thanks. I posted this picture like 2 years ago. It amazes me how people dig up old shit to post and from where did they get it? My profile? What's up OP?!",
"Hey OP, that's my snake invader from 2 years ago, where'd you dig up my post from? And, I don't care, you need the karma more than I do. Just curious!",
"It looks like a future spaming account that will sell skin care products.\n\nIts submission [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/7qk5pq/glad_they_cleared_that_up/) is a copy/paste of /u/BigLegEmma's submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/2jowzi/glad_they_cleared_that_up/). The picture may be deleted but [here's proof](http://karmadecay.com/results/u9948861).\n\nIts submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/7qjeln/im_gonna_sleephere/) is a copy/paste of /u/natsdorf's submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/5vkix1/im_gonna_sleephere/).\n\nIts submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/3d0k6x/cleveland_i90_bridge_demolition/) is a copy/paste of /u/Ghost_Animator's submission/title [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/3d0k6x/cleveland_i90_bridge_demolition/). It looks like a crosspost, but was removed for being a repost. The image wasn't even rehosted.\n\nIf you're not familiar with these types of accounts (and how they hurt reddit), [this page](https://www.reddit.com/r/quityourbullshit/comments/3jss04/meta_spammers_how_they_work_and_how_to_spot_them/) may help to explain.",
"Thanks for that. Reported as spam.",
"o my God ",
"Nice spam account.",
"Let them in!",
"This was one of my nightmares as a young child, and I made my dad sleep on the floor of my bedroom many a night to feel safe. He jokingly gives me shit about it to this day.",
"Oh they can do it. I had a ball python as a kid that figured it out to go hide behind the warm waterbed. Slithered up the door, wrapped around the handle and squeezed, door popped open and snake flopped into the room. Extremely docile snake so it wasn't scary, really cool to watch.",
"I'm pretty sure that's the door to the chamber of secrets now."
] | 18 |
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If this creeper would have managed to turn the doorknob, we would have shit our pants...
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/r/pics/comments/7qjk75/i_asked_my_son_to_clean_off_the_car/
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[
"r/notmyjob",
"How much is your insurance policy? And is he the beneficiary?",
"I use to do the same. \n\nDo that three or four times and they stop asking.",
"I hadn’t thought of that, the plot thickens ",
"r/onejob",
"Nah, the lazy ass who can't clean their own window and sends a kid is a shit bag.\n\nNo need to be angry.",
"That's why teenage boys do jobs shittily, they need to scratch that itch",
"Practice safe driving.",
"If you do a job well they will ask you to do it again later. If you mess it up badly then noone will ask you ever again. Smart kid",
"Kid’s 23, and I don’t ask a lot.",
"Was he kidnapped 3 minutes into the task?",
"self entitled little shit. Go get a job you hippy\n",
"Bruh.... lift your windshield wipers before it snows next time. And did you warm it up? It would have been so much easier to clean if he had started the car for like 10 minutes before.",
"Kids are good for nothing.",
"I worked at a computer store and the asshat owner always tried to get me to wash the front windows (requiring a ladder, and all kinds of bullshit) even though it wasn't part of my job description. I did it twice badly, he got mad and did it himself. *victory*",
"You should trade him in on a newer model.",
"That's a bigger hole than some people here in Illinois.\nSee them driving like 45 mph.",
"I've found a value to convert:\n\n- 45.0mph is equal to 72.42kph"
] | 18 |
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I asked my son to clean off the car
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/r/pics/comments/7qjpxj/liquid_electricity/
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[
"TIL, electrons can behave as a wave as well. ",
"That can’t be good. ",
"I had an upstairs neighbor's Hot Water heater give out spilling a lot of water with it. I noticed because the first thing that happened was water coming out of the sockets. ",
"Do we call a plumber or an electrician?"
] | 4 |
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Liquid electricity
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/r/pics/comments/7qjqoc/light_post/
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[
"Love mor. As in Morgan? Morphine? Morte?",
"Who’s Mor?",
"Or is it a lit post"
] | 3 |
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Light post 💡
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/r/pics/comments/7qjqtb/regal/
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[
"No, that's a Camero.",
"Correct. Buick made Regals, not Chevy. ",
"Cataro",
"It's still a pussy magnet and a manual transmission so that means it comes with an American anti theft system"
] | 4 |
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Regal
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/r/pics/comments/7qjrd1/our_friends_in_scotland_clearly_get_it_tv/
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[
"Silly. They weren't duped into voting for Trump. They felt the other choice was worse.",
"This writer deserves a raise",
"The other choice was better in almost every way, but somehow voters were duped into believing the opposite. And some still believe it...",
"This is literally what everyone thinks about their candidate in every election. ",
"No not really. Where I live, there are multiple parties with multiple candidates, and I don't agree 100% with any of them. But I can choose one candidate that I feel represents me more than the others, or vote for a smaller party that can't win but might influence the bigger parties to move in that direction. But never would I think than one candidate is better in every way, they are all mostly competent politicians who respect each other. Well, one exception to that would be a candidate that is a racist, disrespectful millionaire that prides himself with his ignorance about everything that's relevant to his job. And I wouldn't care, except he now leads the arguably most powerful nation in the world :/",
"may be worst president ",
"Oh yeah? The Dodgy, rapist defending (Bill Clinton), war wanting, Flip-flopping goblin that was Hillary Clinton looked like a “better” choice despite the fact that most of the info about Trump’s degeneracy came up recently (apart from the rape claims that seemed to go nowhere and weren’t reported to the police when it happened.",
"It only appears that they have succumbed to the mental disorder known as liberalism and/or Trump derangement syndrome (TDS).",
"The other choice voted for war in Iraq. Some of follow through on our promises never to vote for anyone who voted for Iraq.",
"And chose a person that seems to really enjoy destabilizing relations with North Korea, via fucking Twitter. Literally bragging about sexually assaulting women. Doesn't know anything about how to form a government or how anything works, and is even proud if that. But her e-mails.",
"Wow, how can I even begin... The shit that's been coming out about Trump right now, has been coming out since way before the election. I used to think that him literally admitting to sexual assault would be the final nail in his presidencies coffin, boy was I wrong",
"Nobody is telling you that Donald Trump is a good president, we are simply pointing out that Hillary looked terrible (and still does) for the things she did. Trump did not admit to a sexual crime, he said that women let him do what he wants to them. The Emails are the most well know but not the worst things Shillary did ( See:Taking money from homophobic dictatorships while claiming to stand up for gays, also see her saying her views on gay marriage in the early 2000ns. Also see screwing Bernie out of the race. Also see Hillary laughing at people who told her they had been raped (I am pretty sure by Bill) )",
"I always hear “hur durr her emails” idgaf about her emails, i gafa the fact that she voted to invade Iraq, you can excuse sending people into senseless wars all you like but I like to stay consistent, as far as trumps handling of nk, if it’s stupid and it works it’s not stupid, his bragging about sexual assault included the word let as in they let you, that’s not sexual assault, if you are male and you have touched a vagina it should be because the owner of said vagina let you, unless you have a different definition of let that I am unaware of. Third, clinton wasn’t very good at actually accomplishing anything from Hillary care to the Arab spring everything she had a hand in seemed to not work the way it was supposed to. Hillary had a resume befitting of a president, that doesn’t mean she was qualified in a real sense. I run into lots of people with solid resumes that I wouldn’t hire. ",
"Ha ha ha trump = nazi\n\nNever heard that one before\n\nThe Nanny state that is the uk is more like the Nazi’s then America (In the uk police can detain you for quite awhile and freedom of speech is NOT a right.)",
"How many more times are you going to jack off to [this?](https://imgur.com/gallery/9VMlU)",
"She was a clumsy train wreck who thought that making a green cartoon frog a hate symbol would win her the election ",
"Good job editing your statement",
"In two party systems, maybe...",
"Uh in this case if you looked at the two candidates objectively it's literally a no-brainer.",
"One candidate was a public defender, successful attorney, congressional legal counsel, First Lady of Arkansas, First Lady of the United States, a United States Senator for New York state and the United States Secretary of State.\n\nOne candidate was a reality TV star and an old-money real estate developer.\n\nI think it's obvious who was more qualified.\n\nAlso, being the wife of a rapist is still better than *literally being a rapist* (i.e. Trump who admitted it on tape).",
"Yeah Bernie, but he was undercut by who?\n\nOh yeah, Hillary.",
"Yeah nobody said that was fair, but it is a private organization, unfortunately.\n\nHowever, it's not like she conspired with a foreign adversary during a federal election (which is why we even know about the DNC bias)",
"No she just conspired with gay murdering, clit slicing Saudi Arabia \n\nOh yea she also covered up Bill’s rape accusations, intimidating people into silence and claimed a rape victim “is emotionally unstable” sounds like blaming the victim to me. And her laughing about it in those audio recordings talking about the case",
"\n\nHmmm. I remember Trump getting accused of rape by over 20 women and calling them *all* \"fame seeking\" liars, or as you put it, blaming the victims.\n\nAlso she was a public defender appointed to that case. You can't hold it against a lawyer for doing their job, sorry.",
"It IS pretty convenient that they 1) Failed to report it to the police \n\n2)Came out publicly when the chances for profit were maximised.\n\nI don’t get why you people seem to think I like Donald trump, I don’t, but i also don’t like Hillary and I also dislike the constant Anti trump circle-jerk",
"So I guess you think all the Hollywood rape accusations are conveniently timed too? You could say the same about them by your logic.",
"Calling her \"shillary\" just makes you look like an idiot. I think she is one of the most corrupt, scandal laden person to ever run for the president but calling her shillary is just fuckin stupid. It's akin to people using \"drumpf\" as an insult.",
"Oh kindly fuck off.",
"Trump 2020!!",
"Either way you think about it regarless of who they say is better or who isn't. At the end of the day you only have a choice between who they choose for you to fight for. It's all a game. It's a way to make you feel like you have some sort of control. When in reality you have none. Hahahahahaha",
"Putin's money was well spent, comrade.",
"retroribbit, thank you comrade",
"Duped, perhaps. Coerced by a severe lack of alternative, definitely."
] | 33 |
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Our friends in Scotland clearly get it. TV listings from Scotland's Sunday Herald.
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/r/pics/comments/7qjrfk/any_hungry_canadians_out_there/
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[
"Twix! So Canadian!",
"To me that looks like an odd assortment of UK and US chocolate bars.",
"Trust me, its not. We don't have Coffee Crisp or Aero bars. ",
"Their M&M's are Smarties, and their Smarties are \"Rockets.\" It's bizarre.",
"Where's Oh Henry?",
"No they aren't",
"Should have a kinder suprise in that mix",
"Meaning they have M&M's? Yeah, of course they do. But Smarties are basically the same thing, just slightly sweeter and larger. ",
"That's why it's odd.",
"UK has Aero bars.",
"Nice to know. US does not and when I go to Canada I always buy some. ",
"UK has Toffee Crisp but I've no idea if that's anything like Coffee Crisp.",
"Oh dear gosh that sounds absolutely delicious! ",
"Texan that's never been close to Canada here. I'd punch someone for a couple of those coffee crisps. Stupid Canadian co-worker introducing me to stuff that's too expensive to ship here because it's just candy and I shouldn't be spending that much on candy...."
] | 14 |
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Any hungry Canadians out there?
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/r/pics/comments/7qjrri/tough_mudder_your_marketing_department_might_want/
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[
"Or maybe people need training to not be so sensitive ",
"Why would they need sensitivity training ? Oversensitive bullshit. ",
"Thiefing twats anyway they have zero morals",
"/u/citizencain20, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule I - No screenshots. This includes pictures of screens and photos where the interest is the contents of a screen.\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/citizencain20&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7qjrri/tough_mudder_your_marketing_department_might_want/?context=10\\))"
] | 4 |
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Tough Mudder, your marketing department might want to take some sensitivity training classes...yikes.
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/r/pics/comments/7qjtfh/mlk/
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[
"MLK has clearly not been briefed on the nuances of twitter posting\n\n",
"I had a dream...",
"good night, sweet prince",
"Very unrealistic.\n\nThe hands holding the phone are way too big.",
"Trump is licking MLK's fingers, I guarantee it. ",
"Best Trump poster I’ve ever see . Hats off to the artiste.",
"That one day a twitter post will not be judged and made popular by the outrageous shock and awe of it's contents, but by it's character.",
"If this ^ isn't a Russian troll I don't know what is.\n\nRandom bullshit comments mixed in with some Trump supporting conspiracy theories.\n\nNot to mention posts in subs like coloradosprings and newhampshire to give the veneer of \"organic user\".\n\nhttp://archive.is/WmumV",
"IDK, I just watched his niece on Fox and Friends talking about how what Trump said wasn’t racist. Oh, and buy her new book.",
"Add in the account being only 2 months old and you got a real stew going on.",
"IMHO, this is a total abuse of MLK's image because I do not think MLK would ever have condoned censorship. \n\nMLK would likely have been no fan of Trump, but one thing he WOULD NOT have done is tried to silence Trump. He would have taken the challenge and debated Trump. MLK was a great orator and was most eloquent. I think he'd have torn a lot of Trump's tweets to shreds, but nothing I've read of the man suggests that he would EVER try to silence Trump (or anyone else). \n\n> Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, **injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.** \n> --Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. \n\nBased on that, I conclude that if MLK took issue with Trump, he'd MUCH rather have Trump tweeting openly so that Trump's views could be debated and challenged, rather than silenced so they could simmer under the surface. \n\n**//edit:** I say silenced because of the symbolism. Putting your hand over the mouth of another person symbolically represents preventing them from speaking. There is no other symbolism associated with this gesture. ",
"It's times like today that I wish we still had educated, determined leaders that weren't afraid of prosecution. I fear our society has lost the ability to support strong moral leaders to shape our minds and culture.",
"What does that have to do with anything? No one except you brought them up.",
"Agreed. I feel like what is lacking in response to Trump is principled opposition. ",
"Ah, taking iconic historical figures to push your own agenda. It’s actually disrespectful, MLK wouldnt silence those he opposes lol",
"This is a repost. And as one of the top comments on that post suggested : MLK would not try to silence Trump. Moreover, Trump isn’t talking, so why would he have his mouth covered?\n",
"> Trump tweeting openly so that Trump's views could be debated and challenged,\n\nMLK was a smart guy and you're spot on because Trump tweeting allows us to do just that. Why would we want to silence someone that shows their insanity on an almost daily basis?",
"In the thumbnail it looks like he's punching Trump",
"Sadly, if MLK gave his \"I have a dream speech\" in a place like Berkeley in 2017 some of it would likely be viewed as hate speech and there would have been a riot. ",
"I agree with your statement but I do not interpret this as MLK censoring trump. I think he is simply giving him some friendly advice. Talk less. Listen more. \n\nEdit: I changed some words. ",
"If we could just have today off from his relentless diatribe of stupidity and delusion, \"I would be SOOO HAPPY!\"",
"While I agree, I just want a vacation from his delusions. ",
"Interesting that [last time this was posted](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6ut5lh/this_is_pretty_good/) people didn't really like it.",
"MLK wouldn't REEEEEEEE so I think this poor drawing is bollocks",
"I agree but sometimes you need a break to reflect so that you can create thoughtful opposition outside of the delusional chaos vacuum he creates. ",
"Ehh, I don't really see it. Finger covering your own lips is an instruction to be quiet, but actively reaching out and covering Trump's mouth, that's hard to take as anything but censorship. Covering the mouth of another is preventing them from speaking, not giving them advice or instruction. ",
"https://imgur.com/A00qIho",
"Trump really hasn't done or said anything for him to come across racist. That said, he has said some very sexist things and generally treats women more like sexual trophies...that is something that MLK Jr. would agree with him on. ",
"Turning off Trump's twitter diarrhea is redirection, not censorship. And no human should touch those lips. ",
"b..but this image is powerful!",
"Smile* more",
"Today is mlk day and people are happy to have today off.",
"The titles may be a factor, with that one reverse psychology may be at play",
"I think the most insane part is this insanity is still apparantly acceptable to some degree that there have been 0 repercussions thus far.",
"Superman is powerful.",
"trump is probably tryin to tweet about MLK cheating on his wife for the 3rd time this week",
"I think there is principled opposition, but it gets lost in the noise of blind opposition. \n\nIn 2008, Obama was elected, and Republicans all whipped themselves into a frenzy. They vowed to oppose Obama no matter what. That was not principled opposition, it was blind opposition. Lots of Republicans still blindly hate Obama to this day. \n\nIn 2016, Trump was elected, and Democrats all whipped themselves into a frenzy. Calls for impeachment started before Trump was even sworn in (and have continued since, usually without any discussion of what specific impeachable crime Trump has committed). Every semi-offensive tweet causes a cacophony of liberals again talking about how terrible Trump is and tweeting #NotMyPresident and the like. This is not principled opposition, this is blind opposition. \n\nPrincipled opposition would complain about the 'shithole countries' comment not because it's 'racist' but because it's not befitting a head of state to refer to other countries that way. Principled opposition would be focusing more on Trump's recent expansion of domestic spying (which passed with strong bipartisan support, btw) than on the 'outrage of the day'. Because a principled person understands that a state of constant outrage does not solve problems. ",
"Why would MLK want to quiet Trump? I don't get it.",
"\"I dream of a day when a man will be judged not by the color of his hat but by the content of his character count\"",
"I don't get it. Why did you post the same image again?",
"Trump supporting theories? If anything this would go against Trump since MLKs niece is speaking up for him",
"TOPICAL",
"Ea",
"gonna let all his folllowers know that MLK was a homophobe?",
"*Too* powerful. When you think you've met someone more powerful than Superman, it'll turn out that he's more even more powerful.",
"> Principled opposition would complain about the 'shithole countries' comment not because it's 'racist' but because it's not befitting a head of state to refer to other countries that way\n\nI would say both. I don't think it's befitting a president to be saying racist shit.",
"\"Shhhh\" is pretty ineffective against tweeting...just sayin...",
"Yup",
"I guess the sign is open to interpretation. I didn't take it to mean that MLK is forcibly trying to censor Trump, but advising him to stop and shut his own damn mouth.",
"I see this painting as a man talking vs a man doing; not as two politicians. Trump should be a man of action if he wants to be a leader.",
"yeah, mlk opposed free speech. ",
"Principled Opposition like those neo-Libs on the streets blowing horns, ringing cowbells, swearing and insulting, assault and battery, chanting threats of violence, By Any Means Necessary.",
"Speaking practically, what repercussions would you like to have? \n\nTrump acted like this before he was elected, so nobody can say they were deceived. This is what the country voted for (probably because the Dems sidelined the guy with popular support in favor of the woman who gave secret speeches to banks and is on record saying you have to have a public and a private position on issues (in other words lie to the masses)). \n\nBut seriously, what repercussions would you have? Congressional censure isn't going to happen with a GOP-controlled Congress, and Trump would probably ignore it anyway. There's tons of opposition on social media. \n\nIf you want this sort of thing to stop, then the answer is either get the Dems out of bed with big business long enough to realize they'd get more votes by serving the people rather than the corporations, or raise the profile of some other party to the point that it can present a real challenge. \n\nEither way though, if this is to stop, the only thing that will stop it is an informed and engaged electorate. Social media retweets do not count as engagement. Participating in politics counts as engagement. Taking action to influence political parties counts as engagement. Supporting a good candidate from the beginning, as in the beginning of the primary cycle or sooner, counts as engagement. But getting angry on social media is not engagement because politicians can simply ignore it. ",
"Terrible artwork. Abusing MLKs image. ",
"Just to piggy back on this comment. Im really getting sick and tired of all the hack 'artist' who create 'art' which is just shallow projecting of headlines.",
"Maybe there are velociraptors nearby and MLK needs Trump to not make a sound so he puts his hand on his mouth. He needs both hands to work his shotgun (you know, on account of the velociraptors) so he signals \"be quiet\" with a finger to his lips so he can remove his hand.",
"MLK telling Trump to be quiet wouldn't be censorship.\n\nI feel like censorship is becoming a sensationalised word.",
"Best one yet! 👌",
"I agree! Is more like \"think before you speak\". He is the fucking president!!! I don't think he is fully aware of it!",
"How does this not have any upvotes? ",
"\"Grab em in the pussy\" Trump is in no position to call out people for cheating. Especially after his lawyers paid porn stars to keep quite.",
"\"Hey MLK, I agree with you and all, but why can't you find, like, another way to protest?\"",
"If you need a break, you are welcome to switch off your computer and TV. You choose what you listen to, and you can take as many breaks as you want. \n\nYou needing a break does not entitle you to force Trump (or anyone else) to take a break from expressing themselves. \n\nIf you dislike Trump, then I encourage you to find ways to take practical action to oppose him. By that I do NOT mean social media. I mean find better candidates and support them from the beginning. Do your research before voting, and vote in primaries so we have better choices in the general election. Support Congressional candidates that promise to oppose Trump's policies. Write letters to the editor of your local paper. And if you post on social media, post thoughtful opposition rather than blind outrage. Elevate the discussion. And reach out to Republicans- many conservatives dislike Trump but don't support liberal policies. Open a dialogue, and focus on issues you both support rather than issues you disagree on. \n\nAny and all of these will be more productive than asking Trump to stop tweeting. ",
"Yeah, I really had to spark my imagination to interpret this masterpiece.",
"Lol so the left thinks MLK would want to silence Trump because they don't agree with him. Do they also know MLK's daughter is a huge Trump fan?",
"No bc even Martin Luthor's niece said Trump is not a racist",
"Hand covering the mouth represents censorship, preventing the other person from speaking. And what about this image suggests MLK is telling Trump to think? One hand covers Trump's mouth (censorship), the other is on MLK's lips (aka 'be quiet'). This is about silencing Trump, not encouraging Trump to think. ",
"The only person who can 'turn off Trump's twitter diarrhea' without it being censorship is Trump himself. If Trump wants to speak, and is prevented from doing so, that is censorship, not 'redirection'. ",
"Actually pretty plausible, makes sense. Wow, didn’t see it that way before.",
"TELLING trump to be quiet is not censorship. \n\nBut holding your hand over the mouth of another, as an action, is preventing them from speaking, not advising them to be quiet. ",
"I think organizations like the ACLU, ADL, Center for Reproductive Rights, etc., have been a model of principled opposition.\n\nEvery attorney who showed up at an airport to provide free counsel to passengers affected by the travel ban was practicing principled opposition. Every city that remained a sanctuary city is practicing principled oppositon. Every State Secretary of State who refused to hand over voter data was practicing principled opposition. ",
"He's never tweeted about MLK cheating on his wife. He just got done commemorating MLK's birth place a [National Historic Park](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/trump-designates-martin-luther-king-jr-birthplace-national-park-n836221).",
"Looks more like friendly advice to stop making an ass of himself.",
"yup except the difference is people look down on trump for his cheating, while nobody even knows/cares that MLK was a huge womanizer and homophobe",
"Twitter can turn it off too if they feel as if he has violated one of their rules. ",
"I actually bet he’d be a fan of trumps. His grand daughter is. ",
"I think you may be taking it too literally. I see this more as an adult telling a little boy with a potty mouth to shush it. Which MLK might have done. You know, cause he was an adult and stuff.",
"This one of the greatest.",
"Yea trump, be quiet about black unemployment being at record lows. ",
"One of his daughter's is dead, the other is quoted here as saying \"God can triumph over trump.\"\n\nhttp://thehill.com/homenews/news/314499-martin-luther-kings-daughter-god-can-triumph-over-trump\n\nEdit: Most likely thinking of Alveda King, one of his nieces.",
"Fair, but I look at it as what is MLK doing in this image? Holding his hand over Trump's mouth (a symbol of preventing Trump from speaking). \n\nThis image would be far more powerful if it showed MLK doing what he did- leading others. ",
"r/UnexpectedHamilton",
" may be worst president of united state ",
"No she isn't.",
"To me, this isn't indicating that MLK would want Trump silenced. This says that MLK would be encouraging Trump to stop tweeting every little thought that comes to mind. There's an enormous difference between encouraging self moderation and censorship. If this image were calling for censorship, he'd be taking the phone out of his hand by force.",
"The mouth is not the problem. In my opinion he is not about to talk, he is about To tweet something. He can still tweet all the nonsense he wants but MLK is covering his mouth like saying \"becareful\". His mouth is NOT the problems, his tweets are...",
"Read that as \"MILK\"\n\nwas confused ",
"> telling a little boy with a potty mouth to shush it. Which MLK might have done.\n\nI doubt that very much. \n\nJust because you view Trump as immature doesn't mean everyone does. People listen to him. People elected him President. And that means he gets to be treated as an adult, even if he doesn't always act like one. \n\nI doubt very much that MLK would tell anyone to 'shush it'. MLK would take the opportunity to tear apart any of Trump's policies that he disagreed with. If he felt Trump represented subtle below-the-surface racism and discrimination, he would use the tweets to blow that up and expose it so it could be addressed. ",
"Trump must be about to tweet about all those prostitutes MLK likes to enjoy ",
"I don’t see this as MLK trying to silence trump. To me it’s more like MLK telling trump, hey man stfu and listen. ",
"The movement has been going on since before the civil war ",
"I agree that he’s sexist. \n\nBut I’d like to hear your definition of racism if you say he hasn’t said anything that comes off as racist ",
"> I think organizations like the ACLU, ADL, Center for Reproductive Rights, etc., have been a model of principled opposition. Every attorney who showed up at an airport to provide free counsel to passengers affected by the travel ban was practicing principled opposition.\n\nI agree 100%. They all do great work. \n\nSadly the news of their works usually gets lost among the daily outrage :(",
"[Here](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2zMhrnUcAAZO14.jpg) is a much higher quality version of this image. [Here](https://twitter.com/Taryn_Fortinn/status/823257719473737729) *appears* to be the source. If so, credit to the photographer, Taryn Fortin who provided the following context:\n\n> 11:55 AM - 22 Jan 2017 from Juneau, AK\n\nShe took this at a women's march [in San Jose, California](https://www.good.is/slideshows/good-interview-artist-watson-mere#0).\n\nCredit to the artist, Watson Mere (aka artofmere_ on Instagram (some NSFW stuff there)). He called this “My Brother’s Keeper.\" He explains:\n\n> I first created “My Brother’s Keeper” early in the month of January 2017 when I realized that MLK Day would be four days before the Trump inauguration. It was mostly inspired by the polarity of the messages from the two men. It was somewhat of a dreams-versus-nightmares situation where you had Dr. King’s dream of equality and peace amongst races. And, on the other hand, you had a message based on reversing things to a pre-Civil Rights era of separation and overt oppression coming from Trump. Most of his sentiments were expressed at his rallies, but Twitter was also catalyst for getting his message across.",
"Mate he has his hand on his mouth, I don't know about you but with my mouth cover I can't speak. ",
"“Total abuse of MLK’s image.” lol so melodramatic. Abuse of his image? please...",
"Just like my dad used to say, “Don’t bring a cowbell to a tiki torch and gun fight.”",
"If you think there's a lack of principled opposition and you aren't willing to step up and do it yourself, then you don't really think there's a lack. ",
"Honestly- when have you ever seen hand over the mouth used as a symbol for 'be careful'? \n\nSymbolically, hand over the mouth always means 'stop you from speaking'. That's the only meaning of that symbol. \n\nAnd if MLK was pointing to his head (symbol for 'think') that would maybe apply, but he's covering his own mouth (symbol for 'be quiet'). ",
"> Calls for impeachment started before Trump was even sworn in (and have continued since, usually without any discussion of what specific impeachable crime Trump has committed). \n\nThat's a lie - he was shown to be in violation of the emoluments clause from day one. Then there's the whole \"betraying the country by collaborating with Russia\" business. \n\n>Principled opposition would complain about the 'shithole countries' comment not because it's 'racist' but because it's not befitting a head of state to refer to other countries that way. \n\n...what the hell are you talking about? \n\nYes, it was racist, which is precisely why it was a statement unworthy of any head of state. It's also not befitting a head of state to refer to other countries that way, but the real substance of the message was that he was labeling the people who came from those countries as being worthless. ",
"But what if the painting isn’t about MLK? Step back from the MLK window you’re looking through and look at the larger picture. \n\nJust my thoughts. Beautiful thing about art is its all relative. ",
"Wish we had Hillary Clinton! The moral compass ",
"Agreed. This reminds me of the [MLK statue](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_Jr._Memorial) that makes him look like he's disgruntled. People are projecting their own emotional immaturity onto him, and it blunts his message of peace, equality, and compassion. ",
"Amen",
"MLK would be a conservative today.",
"Please be a troll!",
"Who makes this cheesy shit?",
"I can recognize a lack of it and realize that I'm not particularly good at it at the same time. ",
"If MLK was alive today he'd just be shaking his head in dissapointment.",
"this is the only comment that is not trash. the 'muh free speech' reddit is terrible and a mind disease.",
"yeah thats just simply not true. [here](https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/mlk-homosexuality-a-problem-with-a-solution) is an article in which MLK calls being gay \"a problem\" and suggests the person \"find a good psychiatrist\" in order to get him \"on the right road to a solution\"",
"Right, he has his hand on his mouth. He's not gagging him and throwing him in a dark basement with no wifi. He's not slapping the phone out of his hands. He's not claiming Trump has no *right* to speak the things he does.\n\nGetting someone to stop speaking and listen for a moment is not censorship, even if you have to cover their mouth for a moment to do so.",
"They could; Twitter owns their own servers so they have a private property right to decide who is and is not allowed to use their servers for any purpose. \nI would suggest that Twitter has a responsibility to the public to not engage in censorship (selectively deciding which opinions can be expressed), but this is an ethical obligation not a legal one. \n\n",
"\"Someone ELSE should spend the entirety of their time protesting according to my exact specifications - but not me, ~~I'm far too busy~~ / ~~far too important~~ / ~~might get my nails dirty~~ / not good enough at it!\" ",
"The quality of the image matches the quality of the message.\n\nToo bad that didn't stop it from being astroturfed to the front page.",
"Honest question- when has the symbol of putting your hand over another person's mouth ever represented anything other than preventing another person from speaking? ",
"...Can you even read? I said I'm not good at it, not that I'm too busy.",
"Agreed.\n\nThe heavy lifting of opposition is often boring, tedious, and does not make for great TV.",
"Grotesque example of using Dr. King's legacy for political/Reddit points. Crack open a history book.",
"Came here to comment this, really like your last paragraph. Openly debating someone with bad ideas and proving your point is always preferential to silencing someone whose views don't fall in line with yours.",
"Good job missing the point there. ",
"censorship?!?!?!? THE FUCK?\n\nIt's MLK Jr. telling Donald to stop tweeting. That's all. And you pull censorship out of that? The hell is wrong with you all?",
"Fredrick Douglas’ twice removed half sibling’s step cousin’s niece agrees with her too.",
"*Autistic screeching*",
"Yea let his niece do the talking",
"My grandma loves trump. I'd probably kick him in the balls if I ever met him. My point is that we all love the same things as our grandparents.",
"That's big of you to admit your condition. ",
"Agree with you. I think the comment you are replying to, unintentionally or not, stinks of \"whataboutism\". The response to Obama's election, with the whole \"birtherism\" bullshit was clearly racist in origin no matter how much people want to blather on about how it was about \"small government\" or \"state's rights\". There are factual reasons to oppose Trumps election and I think that a lot of the opposition is based on that unlike what the person you are replying to is saying.",
"It's symbolism. \n\nHe's telling Trump to stop expressing his viewpoints. Not that they are wrong, but that Trump needs to be quiet. MLK was never a 'be quiet' guy, he was a 'stand up and say what you think so I can debate you and tear you to shreds with my words' guy. \n\nAlso placing your hand over the mouth of another, symbolically, means prevent that person from speaking. ",
"Exactly",
"The image has MLK physically preventing someone from exercising his rights. It is an absolute insult to MLK and the civil rights movement. ",
"Yep.",
"Its not racist to call shithole countries shithole countries. ",
"Preventing someone from speaking is not *always* censorship, intent plays a big part in what's being talked about.\n\nEdit: for all the downvoters, the actual definition of censorship is \"the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or \"inconvenient\" as determined by government authorities or by community consensus.\"\n\nJust because you stop someone from speaking does not mean you are censoring them, censorship is a very specific thing.",
"Yeah, but one of them is still a famous civil rights leader",
"Hes one of them \"Both sides are the same, dont bother with politics\" type of people.\n\nAnd MLK had something to say about them;\n\n>\"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to \"order\" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says \"I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;\" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a \"more convenient season.\"\n\n>Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.\"\n\n>...\n\n>\"In spite of my shattered dreams of the past, I came to Birmingham with the hope that the white religious leadership of this community would see the justice of our cause, and with deep moral concern, serve as the channel through which our just grievances would get to the power structure. I had hoped that each of you would understand. But again I have been disappointed. I have heard numerous religious leaders of the South call upon their worshippers to comply with a desegregation decision because it is the law, but I have longed to hear white ministers say, \"follow this decree because integration is morally right and the Negro is your brother.\" In the midst of blatant injustices inflicted upon the Negro, I have watched white churches stand on the sideline and merely mouth pious irrelevancies and sanctimonious trivialities. In the midst of a mighty struggle to rid our nation of racial and economic injustice, I have heard so many ministers say, \"those are social issues with which the gospel has no real concern.\", and I have watched so many churches commit themselves to a completely other-worldly religion which made a strange distinction between body and soul, the sacred and the secular.\n\n>So here we are moving toward the exit of the twentieth century with a religious community largely adjusted to the status quo, standing as a tail-light behind other community agencies rather than a headlight leading men to higher levels of justice.\"\n\n>Martin Luther King, Jr.\n\n>\"Letter From The Birmingham Jail\"\n\n>April 16, 1963",
"Yeah, the two biggest deflections about Trump being ridiculously, absurdly corrupt, guilty and incompetent are \"They did something similar too!\" and \"Even if you're right, you're being far too argumentative/loud/rude/unreasonable!\". \n\nNeither one is a real response, and neither one will ever be satisfied since there's always some complaint they can make up, even if it's bullshit. ",
"Totally agree. \nThis is not censorship its stop Bull shit ",
"True. Seems like when people suggest judging others on their character and not their skin color, they get called a racist, bigot, etc. ",
"If you saw a liberal mistake a niece for a daughter responding to some conservative cartoon, would your first though be \"honest mistake\" or \"just another liberal going full retard\"?",
"Of course lol",
"That's usually called propaganda ",
"I agree very much with that. \n\nI think he would be against both the racism that still exists in many areas, but he would also be against the neoliberal focus on 'microaggressions' and other such things. I believe he'd tell them 'you have your rights now, you have the same rights as a white man, so stop complaining that he insulted you and go out and be the best man you can be'. ",
"You certainly come off as a well-adjusted and functioning member of society. I’m sure you are an absolute joy in person. ",
"The media likes to spin things as racial controversy as it has really been selling lately. That said, the latest I've seen is where Trump called Haiti and Salvador shit hole countries and the media turned it to a racial issue. However, I am certain that Trump considers Albania and Moldova just as much shit hole countries. It's not racial...it's just truth. There are many countries that just don't have their shit together. \n\nNot to mention, there is no excerpt of him saying or writing anything directly racist. For a person who has said and written so many ridiculously sexist things about women...I have a hard time imagining him having the will power to keep his supposed racist thoughts in his head. \n\nAlso, the fact that he has dated black women in the past.",
"I think the point SirEDCaLot is making is that MLK would rather Trump keep talking and continue to expose his blatant racism than to bottle it up and pretend like it isn't there all the while implementing racist policies. \n\nYou can't fix a problem that refuses to admit it exists.",
"shhhh your facts are going to ruin the narrative",
"[unsubstantiated lies from those that opposed MLK] (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41871956)\n\nPeople look down on Trump for so much more than just his cheating and having his lawyers pay off porn stars.\n\n\nHomophobia was acceptable back in the 1960's...today we know better. \n\n\nBut even today, Trump and the GOP will still support candidates (Roy Moore) who are openly homophobic, so there's that.",
"The problem with the left right now is they want to silence people they disagree with rather than debate them. Which only breed contempt and lack of trust. I think this is causing alot more power to go to white supremacists and other extremes than if you battled them through debate.",
"But the thing is that there is nothing racist about calling certain countries shitholes, it just shows how mindlessly you oppose him without even bothering to come up with a proper argument even though there are probably millions of them waiting to be said out loud, no instead you just throw out buzzwords that loose more and more meaning every passing day, that is the true tragedy of mindless opposition instead of furthering your goals you actually help out the one you oppose no matter how right or wrong you are.",
"You're being too literal about this",
"So MLK censoring Donald Trump?",
"How the hell is calling certain countries shitholes racist? Like i do not get it at all, is nationality a race now or what?",
">Principled opposition might acknowledge that the only \"proof\" of him saying that is the word of a democrat senator's aide and that multiple senators who were in the room have said that trump didn't say that\n\n\ni mean Lindsey Graham was the one who confirmed it.\n\nDid he become a democratic aid suddenly after 14 years of position as a republican senator?\n\nOr are you one of the people who are battling the horrible horrible condition called economic anxiety?\n\nEdit: The Republican senator Jeff Flake also contradicted the president, tweeting: “The words used by the President, as related to me directly following the meeting by those in attendance, were not ‘tough,’ they were abhorrent and repulsive.”\n\nhey look more republicans saying he said it. He himself tweeted that he said \"harsh words\" but two republicans that say ambiguously \"we cant recall him saying that\" is supposed to be evidence of him not saying it?",
"I just googled up about the emoluments clause, I don't really think that's as strong of a case as you're making it out to be, it specifically talks about gifts and the lawsuit seems to be about trump hotels which isn't a gift, it's a service paid for, which is not covered in that clause. \n\nAm I missing something? [Here's the article I found about it](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/what-is-the-emoluments-clause-does-it-apply-to-president-trump/2017/01/23/12aa7808-e185-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.7d3295109bbf)\n\nThe Russian collusion seems to be the much more solid route, we have several people who have lied about their involvement repeatedly. ",
"Yeah, it is all relative. \n\nI am very very against censorship in any form. I don't think silencing someone (no matter how much you disagree with them or how wrong they are) is the right way to deal with any problem. So to me the most important part of this image is the hand over Trump's mouth- symbolically hand over mouth means prevent from speaking. \n\nI'm sure MLK would disagree with a lot of what Trump says, but I doubt very much that he would ever tell Trump to stop speaking (or try to silence Trump). \n\nI try to look for something other than that symbolism in this image but I really don't see much else. ",
"Abuse of his image in that it shows MLK trying to silence Trump (hand over Trump's mouth), while MLK would more likely have preferred Trump to speak loudly so he could openly debate Trump. ",
"You mad MLK would’ve supported trump? ",
"Symbolically, holding your hand over another person's mouth represents preventing them from speaking. \n\nHow else am I supposed to interpret this? ",
"That's a really bad argument tbh, what if you happen to not be opposed to that something? Your argument assumes that he holds a certain view as if it were the only one there should be, as if it were the *right* one, quite dangerous.",
"He didn’t resort to name-calling at least. \n\nI’d have a conversation with him irl. ",
"I agree. It is saying MLK has more rights than Trump, just like an adult has full legal rights and a child does not. The assumed legal superiority over Trump is a Freudian slip. Essentially a refutation and denial of equality, as a governing principle.",
"In his particular case, he would spew somewhere else. We are all clear on the definitions. Except him, he does not appear to be clear on his definition of 'racist' or 'asshole' or 'inappropriate' or 'fake.' So I am thinking censorship is a puzzling word for him as well. ",
"Looked a lot more like autistic communists throwing a tantrum to me.",
"Yeah there's been some amazingly eloquent opposition as well as foot work. Trumps success is from sketchy shit the GOP does and ignorant voters. This whole attitude that people have not stepped up to put in a good argument is total bullshit propagated by people who don't want to admit to themselves that they're too ignorant to see how wrong Trump and his hardcore supporters are. ",
"Police brutality, a major theme in civil rights, has been one of the biggest issues of the past few years.",
"LOL. \n\nMLK's Niece is a Trump supporter who has said her uncle would support a lot of what Trump is doing",
"You said “trump” a lot. ",
"You idiots understand that if Dr.King was alive today he would support President Trump right? His values and President Trumps complement each other well.Dr.King wanted ALL COLORS to be judged on the content of character, Not the color of skin.But dont tell that to SJWs,they believe that the ONLY way to judge folks is by color.",
"He would not have. You are insane. ",
"Explain. When is preventing someone from speaking NOT censorship?\n\n(I disagree with this, but want to make sure I understand what you mean first)...",
"Obviously a troll",
"> it specifically talks about gifts and the lawsuit seems to be about trump hotels which isn't a gift, it's a service paid for\n\nIf you look at the specifics of the business dealings, [in many instances the \"services\" are clearly far above market rates, as a mechanism for funnelling cash into Trump organization businesses, through anonymous intermediaries](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/06/13/trump-property-buyers-make-clear-shift-secretive-llcs/102399558/). \n\nNow it's possible that it's technically more \"money laundering\" than \"bribery\", though considering Trump's position at this point there's little reason to make much distinction. \n\nThe issue with enforcing that clause is that it's Congress who has to step up and pass articles of impeachment, but congressional Republicans who hold a majority are a bunch of corrupt spineless weasels. ",
"It's the only way to give evidence of Trump being racist. They changed the definition of racism just to call someone names.",
"Fuck off. Not only is this shit, but its a shit repost.",
"Definitely. \n\nHowever it's also harder, takes more work, and the result isn't usually as striking. If you succeed, it just means people side with you, or perhaps you change the other person's opinion on the issue. Doesn't make for a good 'sick burn, bro' retweet. \n\nSadly I think engaging debate is a lost art these days :(",
"*If MLK took issue with Trump? IF?!?",
"Which is why I said the piece is open to interpretation :p The painting is only out of character for MLK if you interpret it as him *censoring* Trump.\n\nGiving humble, civil advice to a man he's diametrically opposed to is definitely something MLK would do as well.",
"He said he wasn't good at it",
"They won't say so for PR reasons but MLK's dream of equality is [considered racist](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/color-blindness-is-counterproductive/405037/) by today's activists, and I don't think you can evaluate these things in the hypothetical. You can look at twitter feeds of black conservatives pushing for equality without intersectionality and you will find that they're called 'coon' and 'Uncle Tom' all day long, the latter mostly by white people. Their positions on race are no different than MLK's. Ideologically speaking I have no idea where MLK would be today. ",
"Lol that was my first thought.",
"Yeah but it's not censorship if I disagree with it /s",
">i mean Lindsey Graham was the one who confirmed it.\n\nFrom what I've read, Graham didn't confirm or deny what Trump said, merely that he spoke to him afterwards.\n\nOn the other hand, both Perdue and Cotton who were there and as near as Durbin was have said the President didn't say that.",
"I don’t understand the obsession with mlkj over at t_d right now. Are they trying to legitimize their bs with a known and respected civil rights leader?",
"Why’s Steve Harvey trynna shut trump up. \n",
"MLK's daughter supports Trump.",
">MLK would likely have been no fan of Trump,\n\nMLK was a Republican.",
"That's not how that works ",
"which is why as a gay man myself i cannot support MLK or the GOP",
"Saitama",
"Lol you the_dumbass posters are cute. Its ok maybe one day you can grow up and learn things like perspectives, substance, underlying meaning and context.\n\nFor now keep on running around flinging your feces at the world while screeeching \"REEEE TRUMP IS BEST REEEEEE!\" ",
"I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume MLK was against racists, and that's what he's trying to stop here.",
"Post garbage pictures get garbage comments. ESPECIALLY when its political.",
"Then get off Reddit then",
"powerful.",
"This is so disrespectful and racist",
"This is why more old-school lefties have a little soft spot for Shaprio whose ideas I don't completely agree with, but still is a fantastic debater. \n\nWhy do I see more actual debate on First Take than Msn or Fox News combined, its sad.",
"I think the sign just implies that MLK would have wanted Trump to put more thought and eloquence into his tweets. ",
"You didn’t give me your definition of racism. \n\nI agree the media turns lots of things into a racial matter even if it’s not.\n\n But in his recent case with calling El Salvador, Haiti and African countries shithole countries I believe is him being racist. \n\nIf not racism it’s prejudice or worse, it’s complete ignorance/stupidity. Not to mention completely unprofessional and inappropriate. \n\nThis Simply my opinion but the reason I say this is he goes on to say we should bring people from Norway. Now, I’m pretty sure the majority of the Norway population is Caucasian. \n\nHe called these countries shithole countries but what made it racist is the fact that he went on to say that we don’t need more Haitians as they don’t help the country or economy. \n\nAnd him having “dated” black women in the past doesn’t make him a non-racist or incapable of making racist, prejudice comments. \n\nThat’s like saying “oh I have a black friend I can use the N word” ",
"MLK is a Nazi folks, you heard it here first!",
"The definition of censorship is \n\n>Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or \"inconvenient\" as determined by government authorities or by community consensus.\n\nIntent is a *huge* part of censorship. If a government is shutting down your radio station's show because it has a political slant it doesn't like, that's censorship. If the owner of the radio station is shutting down your show because he just doesn't have the budget to run it, not censorship. In both cases the radio host is being \"prevented\" from speaking on the air, but only one is actually censorship.\n\nLikewise if you cover your screaming toddler's mouth for a second to get them to shut up and listen to what you have to say. You're preventing them from speaking, but you're not *censoring* their speech.",
">Lots of Republicans still blindly hate Obama to this day.\n\nThere's nothing blind about it dude. President Obama was objectively worse than President Bush in every measurable way. National debt, unemployment, national debt, welfare expansion, food stamps, poverty, homelessness, civil unrest, healthcare costs, wealth inequality. Literally every single measure of progress indicated President Obama was either immensely mediocre or bad. Barack Obama assassinated US citizens overseas without due process - including children. And people like you will defend him no matter what because you think the rest of us are racist for \"hating\" him. And his Administration was absolutely plagued with scandals. From Fast and Furious to Benghazi to the [IRS targeting scandal to the wiretapping of his political opponent in an election year.](http://www.ajc.com/news/national/read-transcripts-rep-devin-nunes-news-conferences-about-trump-surveillance/NdZ4qQv7uBnjcH9E3HSRPJ/) Barack Obama was a Chicago politican and brought \"Chicago-style\" politics to the White House - zero accountability, no oversight, and pervasive, divisive partisanship. Tthere are plenty of good reasons to \"hate\" Obama that have nothing at all to do with the color of his skin.",
"The why didnt graham deny it? Why is it more believable that republicans are speaking truthfully when the fucking president himself confirmed he said it. \n\n>\"Harsh words\"\n\nMan i mean if you want to remain ignorant thats on you, just dont go around spreading your ignorance to others.\n\nEdit: The Republican senator Jeff Flake also contradicted the president, tweeting: “The words used by the President, as related to me directly following the meeting by those in attendance, were not ‘tough,’ they were abhorrent and repulsive.”\n\nhey look more republicans saying he said it. He himself tweeted that he said \"harsh words\" but two republicans that say ambiguously \"we cant recall him saying that\" is supposed to be evidence of him not saying it?",
"Oh boy here we go again. Don't think Trump can recover from this. ",
" “Here is the true meaning and value of compassion and nonviolence, when it helps us to see the enemy’s point of view, to hear his questions, to know his assessment of ourselves. For from his view we may indeed see the basic weaknesses of our own condition, and if we are mature, we may learn and grow and profit from the wisdom of the brothers who are called the opposition.”\n\nI feel whoever made the poster is more interested in their own views rather than the person they are exploiting. ",
".... you're the one who missed the point.",
"Yeah, if. \n\nMLK lived in an era where black people didn't have the same civil rights as white people. A black man couldn't get the same job as a white man, couldn't go to the same colleges, couldn't use the same bathrooms, couldn't live in the same neighborhoods, couldn't eat at the same restaurants. This was, in many places, codified into law. \n\nToday things are different. If you try to deny a black person any of those things, you will go to jail because laws protect the equal rights of black people. \n\nI believe there's a good chance MLK would ignore Trump entirely, and would focus on the black community itself. I think he'd be fighting against poverty and gang culture in black neighborhoods, he'd be trying to persuade young black men to get educated and make better lives rather than running with gangs and selling drugs. \nOn a policy front, I think he'd be arguing against policies that give poor black neighborhoods fewer educational resources than rich white neighborhoods. But that's mostly on a local/state level, not a national level. \n\nSo I'm not sure that MLK would take much interest in Trump at all. Some of Trump's followers, sure, but probably not Trump himself. ",
"Im upset that people have to resort to violence in the first place.",
"I mean didn't he say something to the effect of Africans on temporary visas would overstay because they wouldn't want to return to their huts? And that all Haitian refuges had AIDS?\n\nSeems pretty racist to me. ",
"We're talking about my own statement here. So no, I did not miss the point of that thing I said earlier. Try again. ",
"He's certainly proving not to be any good at things. ",
"It's literally *not* the definition of it.\n\n>Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication, or other information, on the basis that such material is considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or \"inconvenient\" as **determined by government authorities or by community consensus.**",
"SJW karma hunters",
"As the famous quote goes, \"I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it\". I strongly agree with that. Trump may tweet some nonsense, but if we are to rise above that the battle must be fought in the hearts and minds of his followers, not by kicking him off Twitter. ",
"Richard Spencer nor Nazis were mentioned in his comment.",
"Are you allowed to leak the plot of the next jurassic world movie like this? ",
"Oh yeah i guess that seems quite racist, but on the other hand if he had said something like \"Africans are more likely to overstay their visas than others because of the low quality of life back home\" and \"Haitian refugees have significantly higher percentage of AIDS infections than the local populace for example\" he'd be basically saying more or less the same thing without it seeming all that racist so idk if what he actually said even was racist.",
"Agreed!!! So glad u said this eloquently ",
"I've found over the last year that the agony of Trump's statements and those of his followers are closely followed by the awkward and frothing reactions of his opponents. He doesn't need help denouncing himself and yet sometimes I almost want to come to his defense because what people say against him is often also wrong. Two wrongs... no rights.",
"The UN disagrees. Especially when you basically disparage the entirety of Africa.",
"did you just assume his gender, skin tone, and political compass?\n\nhow do you sleep at night?",
"All the kindergarten level name calling in the world won't change the fact that Trump hasn't said anything racist ",
"There was a point in the late 80's and 90s when the KKK was brought on television and allowed to speak. And that was the exact moment the KKK went from having any power left to being a complete joke overnight, when people got to see they were a bunch of complete buffoons and found out what they really believed. Hell the KKK went on Oprah.\n\nThey were a joke, the idea of \"Neo Nazis\" \"white supremacists\" or even \"white nationalists\" was a joke. That is until progressives started calling every conservative they encountered white nationalists and white supremacists. And so the actual ones, like Stormfront found their path to legitimacy and recruiting again. The progressive left gave it to them on a silver platter. And continues to give them the only avenue they have to recruit.\n\nThe answer is the same as it's always been. If you want to stop the genuine articles like Stormfront, put them on the Ellen show or invite them on Jimmy Kimmel live and give them a microphone. You'll basically destroy them in one shot just by letting them talk. I decided at one point I wanted to see for myself what they were about since I heard the word Nazi being thrown around like candy at a parade, so I went and read their manifesto on their forum. You put them up there on national TV and have them debate that manifesto and bring light to it and you would wipe out all their credibility in one shot. You scream nazi nazi nazi at everything in sight that looks like a conservative and they get to sit there whispering in the ear of all the disillusioned teenagers you called a nazi over pepe the fucking frog and milk memes.\n\nI don't really believe they are trying to stop them though. I believe they are trying to actively grow them. Because they want an enemy to justify their worldview.",
">But in his recent case with calling El Salvador, Haiti and African countries shithole countries I believe is him being racist.\n\nWhy? Can you not criticize anything having to do with a nation that is primarily made up of people of color? If he stated Algeria or Maldova were shit hole countries no one would bat an eye...and that is hypocritical. You're not seeing something racist...you're MAKING something racist.\n\n>This Simply my opinion but the reason I say this is he goes on to say we should bring people from Norway. Now, I’m pretty sure the majority of the Norway population is Caucasian.\n\nNorway is a very successful and educated country...why make it into a racial issue when it clearly isn't? \n\n>And him having “dated” black women in the past doesn’t make him a non-racist or incapable of making racist, prejudice comments.\n\nNo, but I highly doubt a person who is a white nationalist would consider dating a black woman. You are so willing to dismiss any evidence that goes against your narrative. That's a real problem. \n\n",
"MLK was far from perfect, he had his purpose, and did a lot for African American people that were oppressed during his time. \n\n[I believe if he were around today, he would not have been homophobic based on his sensitive response to a letter from a teen struggling with homosexuality.] ( http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/07/13/here-is-what-martin-luther-king-told-a-teen-struggling-with-his-sexuality/) Dr King was a minister, so he was raised in a time where he believed homosexuality was wrong. His widow Coretta Scott King who supported LGBT rights later in her life.\n\nBut, we will never know for sure.\n\n",
"Love this. Shut that retard UP!!!",
"I didn't think of censorship when I saw this, but instead being quite for a change and taking the time to think about what you want to say and listen to what others tell you.\n\nEdit: Dr. MLK Jr is also not vocalizing in the picture, therefore this isn't a threat or disrespectful gesture, it's a teaching moment. It's an emphasis on the beauty of silence and needing to listen. Sure it's forcibly silencing Trump, but a common scene of this would be an experienced solider silencing a younger solider who is babbling so they a) don't give away their position and b) listen to the environment. That's what I see.\n\n It's not disrespectful, it's enlightening.",
"MLK preached of a society of fairness, opportunity, and love. I feel the poster goes against that. ",
"PS : heres a list detailing nearly 50 years of Trumps racist behaviour. BUT im sure this is a whole lot of nothingburger that democrats and liberals made up amiright? hurr durrr durrr.\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html",
"If he didn’t tweet it wouldn’t be too bad ",
"No, we were not. We were talking about how I' not great about making principled arguments and I wish more people were good at it. You decided to be butthurt about that.",
"What's the weather in Moscow like this time of year? Does Putin give you many chances to get out and enjoy the winter on calmer days? He seems like he would be kind of a hardass in that area. ",
"Why did they paint Trump over his mistress? ",
"Because he would have stood with Antifa an I right? ",
"The Post reported is citing multiple people iirc.\n\nAnd a *Senator* confirmed it. Not an aide.\n\nAnd they didn't really deny it. He just said he used \"different language\". Which implies he still means it anyway.",
"Black people are the most racist in the world hands down.",
"By even bringing up skin color, you failed. I'm an American. So are you. I don't know your lineage, but my family had to struggle to survive on both sides. All were citizens, but one half for some reason are being subjugated due to the country where we originated from...9 generations ago.\n\nI'm not a Trump fan because he has never struggled, has never broke a sweat in physical labor to earn a dollar, and thumbs his nose at people who has done so because of *unearned* privilege. ",
"I think it's more likely he would be fighting wealth inequality and the military-industrial complex which is what he did after legal equality was enshrined.",
"> If the owner of the radio station is shutting down your show because he just doesn't have the budget to run it, not censorship. \n\nAgreed. And I'd also say if the owner of the radio station shuts down the show because he doesn't like your political slant, that's also not entirely censorship- you're allowed to speak, but he's not required to let you use his radio transmitter and studio to speak. \n\n> Likewise if you cover your screaming toddler's mouth for a second to get them to shut up and listen to what you have to say. \n\nA screaming toddler is a child. You can prevent them from speaking for as long as you want without a consideration of censorship, because you are their parent and they are both a minor and also so young that they do not have considered thoughts to express. \n\nYou may view Trump as childish, but he is still a 18+yr old American and he is also the elected President. Therefore any interruption of his speech because others do not like it or do not want to hear it is censorship. ",
"\"We really just want an excuse to break shit and loot in our own communities.\"\n\nEdit: Downvote me all you want, MLK is still rolling in his grave lol",
"Lol you obviously don’t know much about MLK besides one quote from his most famous speech. \n\nDo yourself a favor and look at his other political views, they’re all aligned with trumps basically. ",
"Seriously, this is the second time in 3 minutes so far that I've seen a post and thought this. \n\nThat r/politics article saying MLK would be railed against by politicians if he were alive today feels disgusting to me. Let the fucking man rest in peace and stop using him as an accessory for your agendas.\n\nThis sign in OP may not be as bad, depending on how you interpret it, but the fact that it's on the front page of this website is what feels shitty to me. Because I know what most people's motivations were when upvoting it ",
"I totally agree with everything you just said. Kudos ",
"Right, you're complaining about how you want OTHER people to do something that you don't want to do yourself. You're not refuting a thing I said, just continuing to make pathetic excuses for your hypocrisy. ",
"I would agree with that too. ",
"Shhhh, your understanding of the English language is going to make you look Russian",
"He's speaking using his phone. Just because he's not literally speaking words orally doesn't change the symbolism. ",
"This is the narrative now. If someone has an opposing view, silence them. ",
"Replace don't want to with can't and you almost have it right. ",
"I agree with you, but it’s frustrating that people with actual knowledge of MLK come out on issues like this, but when it’s violent protest or socialism nobody says a peep about MLK.",
"Bullshit at it finest. BLM wants to talk about MLK, but doesn't like freedom of speech. Lol \n\n\nPeople need to wake up and stop acting like there a problem with the white community. \n\nNever has this been a problem till Trump became president, when his term is done, watch how everyone pretends it never happen... We need to really stop all of this. There's no white only places or black only places. I have family who lived through it and it's not now nor will it ever be a thing. It's only relevant because we make it relevant. I have many friends who are of different race and culture and they respect me on my views and opinions like I respect them. What's the problem????",
"lmao how",
"r/pics is cancer ",
">A screaming toddler is a child. You can prevent them from speaking for as long as you want without a consideration of censorship, because you are their parent and they are both a minor and also so young that they do not have considered thoughts to express.\n\n>You may view Trump as childish, but he is still a 18+yr old American and he is also the elected President. Therefore any interruption of his speech because others do not like it or do not want to hear it is censorship. \n\nI mean... I just linked the definition of censorship, and none of what you just said jives with that definition. I have no idea why you're bringing age into it either, being legally an adult has nothing to do with censorship.",
"The idea of free speech and judging those by their character and not their skin has completely shifted to ideals of the right while the left are going against it, loudly I might add. It's fascinating what's happening right now.",
"Free speech.",
"You can critique in an appropriate manner. There’s a time and a place for everything and that comment was completely uncalled for and not the time nor place for it. \n\nI understand and am aware that Norway is very wealthy and educated and perhaps that’s his reasoning on wanting them. That’s completely fine. What’s his reasons for not wanting Haitians? Is that assuming it’s cuz their uneducated ? \n\nConsidering his background with women I doubt he dated black women in the past for the right reasons ",
"Lmao the ACLU is a lawsuit hungry failure of an organization. ",
"That was before the southern Democrats switched to Republicans. ",
"prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.\nThe same definition everyone uses. Calling a country a shit hole isn't racist, the country was destroyed by earthquakes tons of money was raised and sent to the Clinton foundation and nothing was fixed. He hasn't signed any executive orders that attacks people based on a race. ( being Muslim is not a race, and the travel ban was put forth by the Obama administration ) Calling Elizabeth Warren pochohauntus may be considered bullying but she did lie about being a native American and in turn stole her college education from someone who is a native American. Building a wall around our border when you have drug trafficking, people working under the table for less money tax free and still receiving government hand outs undercuts poor Americans who desperately need that help. Unless I'm missing something I have not seen anything that leads me to believe Trump is a racist just an asshole.",
"Quite sad, isn't it? \n\nI disagree with a lot of what Trump says, but never in a million years would I tell him to stop saying it. If there's a battle to be fought against Trump, it's in the hearts and minds of his followers. If those who oppose Trump are going to win, they will do it by persuading people that he is wrong, not by silencing him. ",
"Don’t show this to MLKs family who actually like Trump",
"And kids this is called projection",
"Man #1 : These NI**ERS need to learn to respect the police. Fucking Blacks always committing crime.\n\nYou: Hey i think hes just saying that african americans are less likely to respect authority and more likely to commit crimes based on past recorded data, without taking into consideration, economic standing, social programs, growth opportunities and social norms. Hes not a racist, he just more or less meant this so idk if what he actually said was even racist.\n\nRest of us: wtf?",
"MLK was not a fan of silence",
"So what's this supposed to represent?",
"[Here's you using \"retarded\" the same way](https://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/5577cx/update_on_trello_basebuilding_watchtowers/d88f81p/) - [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/dayz/comments/1yu5pt/rocket_in_charge_of_not_being_retarded/)\n\nYou're also known to use the [autistic joke \"REEEEEEE\"](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6e5r0b/this_is_rick_best_he_was_an_army_veteran_and_a/di88ze2/) - [2](https://www.reddit.com/r/justneckbeardthings/comments/7px7v8/why_it_always_has_to_be_the_joker/dsl597i/) - [3](https://www.reddit.com/r/AdviceAnimals/comments/7f1fh8/net_neutrality_shouldnt_be_a_partisan_issue/dq9ebji/) \n\n",
"I thought Christians hated gays though?",
"Lol yeah that's what the shush finger and a hand over someone else's mouth always means... Right.",
"Fuck this noise, don't cheapen MLK's image by portraying him stooping to telling an idiot to stop tweeting, what he accomplished was so much more monumental than this petty shit. This is pretty disrespectful.",
"Why are you trying to gaslight us?",
"You don't think people should comment on the picture in the comments thread? How stupid can you be?",
"Riiiight.\n\nAsk the families of Eric Garner, Philando Castille or the people of Flint, Michigan how their civil rights are the same as white folks. Then ask the policemen or dirty politicians who get a slap on the wrist their thoughts.\n\nAs far as Trump, no one has openly exploited race relations in America as much as the president has in generations and as a spiritual leader of civil rights and the poor, King would have no choice but to respond to the most influential man in the world. MLK didnt just focus solely on the black community.\n\nThe Reverend NEVER ignored people like Trump.",
"This is actually a very common misconception, MLK was NOT a Republican nor was he a Democrat. He openly criticized both parties, Republican and Democratic ideal both have weaknesses that he would point out.",
"Lot of shithole countries all over the world.\n\nWhy single out africa? there's pretty awesome countries in africa too",
"you're right. The economy completely changed in the past fiscal year. All because of trump. Black people have more jobs, stop complaining that your president is a white supremacist. ",
"MLK hated homosexuals, and preached against their rights.....oh, but if you don't honor him, you're a racist.",
"Who are you to tell us what is disrespectful. It's art.",
"Hey thanks for naming yourself JIM_THE_RETARD, it really saves us the trouble.",
"If age has nothing to do with it, then if you take a screaming baby and shove a pacifier in it's mouth, you're censoring the baby. \n\nAge has importance because there is a difference between a screaming child and actual speech, and also because children under 18 do not have the same rights as adults. Legally, the parent has a right to dictate what the child does and does not do. There's some swing to both points- like if a 17 year old was expressing a political view, it's censorship to stop them. \n\nBut back to the main point- if Trump, who is not only a college-educated adult but is also the President of the United States, wants to say something, how is preventing him from saying it (for even one second) NOT censorship? ",
"Congratulations. Your limb crashed to the ground.",
"To shreds you say...",
"Now that's taking what i said a bit far isn't it?",
"Principled opposition from the Democrats is a bit hard after 8 years of media sycophancy, smug legislators bragging about passing unread legislation and a lack of accountability that paved a golden path for our current POTUS' activity. The opposition needs to condemn their prior allowances.\n\n",
"Thank you. It’s refreshing to hear civility on reddit. r/politics literally advocates for the death of the president. ",
"Oh yeah I'm sure MLK would support BLM and modern black activists. So peaceful and non-violent! If MLK could see what the African American culture is like today, he'd probably wish he got shot sooner. Poor guy.\n\nThe Boondocks portrays what would happen [pretty well.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FR1LGsT7E)",
"I have exactly the same level of authority to do that as the OP, who reposted this by the way. Art portraying a real person can disrespect that person, believe it or not. My problem with this is that it disrespects King far more than Trump.",
"Preach.",
"I think all those incidents would attract the attention of MLK. \n\nAnd Trump has certainly done things that would attract the attention of MLK. But I don't think Trump would be MLK's main focus, I think he'd be spending more time focusing on black inner cities and injustice like you mentioned. ",
"MLK the womanizer teaching Trump 👍🏻",
"Classic reddit liberal. Half of America is conservative, but apparently any conservative on reddit is Russian. You people are too far gone. ",
"Probs why he didn't take his twitter phone away.",
"It’s ignorant art. MLK was a great patriot and would probably be on the Donald’s side, like his relatives are today.",
"Are you off your meds? Is the delusions becoming so constant you're seeing Nazis walk through the streets? I'm not afraid of communists, but I am afraid of communism and if you knew anything about the system you support you would be to. 100,000,000 people died as a direct result from communism. If you're afraid of Nazism you should be afraid of communism, while both are different they are comparable totalitarian systems. There are still first hand accounts of what it was like in Russia under communism go watch those videos learn something.",
"It's hilarious to me that people think some switch was flipped in the 1960s and suddenly Democrats = GOOD, Republicans = BAD. Robert Byrd, an Imperial Wizard in the KKK, was a Democrat his entire life. I'm not even trying to argue that Democrats = Racist, but it's just funny to me how people seem to just assume out of hand the opposite is true (Republicans = racist.)\n\nCan't wait for some snide little cunt to come in and basically say \"WELL THEY *ARE* RACIST!\" No. Republicans in general aren't racist, and Donald Trump isn't a racist, either. But painting everyone with an R next to their name as bigoted seems to be a highly effective strategy for Democrats, whose only real platform is to gin up fear among their base that evil Republicans are going to fuck them in the ass with a rake nowadays.\n\nEver wonder how it came to pass that the Democratic candidate for President in 2016 was a fucking crook under criminal investigation by the FBI *while* she was running for President? That's how. Nonstop deflect and blame. Nonstop fearmongering with little or no self-reflection in the American Democratic Party *or* among their voter base, by and large. Just hatred and fear of Republicans 24/7/365. \n\nI don't think MLK would have appreciated that shit.",
"It feels more like MLK is telling him to be calm and quiet so that there can actually be debate.",
"No, that's even dumber than the post. Edit: you're thinking of his niece, Alveda King. His living daughter said that god can triumph over Trump. http://thehill.com/homenews/news/314499-martin-luther-kings-daughter-god-can-triumph-over-trump \nI just want her to do the talking for him instead of a drawing by someone with no connection to him.",
"Hilarious you think his comment is melodrama, but no comment on the image itself? The image is textbook melodrama.",
"Lots of misinformation in this comment. ",
"[Local Dipshit Planning On Fighting Trump Administration Through Art](https://local.theonion.com/local-dipshit-planning-on-fighting-trump-administration-1819580140)\n\nEdit: Can't take a joke from the Onion? Lighten up guys.",
"I don't know how to tell you this but MLK was killed during while he was looking to support workers rights, something Trump cares little about. There is also his speeches where he speaks against the evils of capitalism, and his \"beyond Vietnam\" speech which solidified his anti war sentiments. I don't see how MLK would want to support someone who's foreign policy approach is to \"take out their families\" (referring to the family's of terrorists) or who's domestic economic policy is to lower the minimum wage...",
"Im just extrapolating your previous comment to fit into a more hyperbolic example. You even state that seems quite racist and then try to justify the statement by giving an meaning that negates the intent of the statement.",
"Whoa whoa whoa...\n\nAre you a straight white male? If so, SHUT THE FUCK UP BIGGIT!\n\nOh and btw I'm *totally* against judging people based on their race, gender, or sexuality. Shitlord!",
"Stop trying to make r/pics political. It’s not going to happen.\n",
"This misses the mark. MLK wouldn't try to silence Trump, he would engage him in debate and dialogue (something severely lacking these days).\n",
"He's talking about two male individuals. Pronouns would get confusing.",
"Love how they want to parade around a dead man's legacy for their narrative, while completely ignoring his family's thoughts and opinions.\n\nI wish I could say I'm surprised by it.",
"and of course it's white cucks holding up these signs, smh",
"She was literally on Fox News yesterday saying otherwise. Nice try tho ",
"The FBI was also practicing principled opposition when dealing with the clintons? You can have smart people who are irrationally biased, you know. ",
"To paraphrase Nimoy - \"The cosmic circle-jerk.....goes on.\"\n\nLet it die, for the good of the sub, stop upvoting Trump stuff.",
"That's hard to show in a single image.\n\nSymbolically, hand over another person's mouth represents preventing them from speaking. The twitter phone is just there to provide relevance. ",
"Precisely. Look at the left leaning subreddits, this is unironically their regular thought process ",
"> stop complaining that your president is a white supremacist\n\nIt's strange to me that this statement keeps being made but I've yet to see any real evidence of this. If anything, there's a lot of evidence to the contrary. ",
"I wonder how he'd feel about our culture where it's acceptable for our president to resist having his opinions debated and a group who act like this is how it's supposed to be.",
"Im just glad it didnt depict MLK punching him in the nose.",
"\"Everyone is a corrupt\" IMHO, is just an excuse to perpetuate intellectual laziness and lack of civic participation in the US. Our culture has become one that doesn't care about other people and thinks they have a right not to give a shit about their fellow person (and the environment we live in too). I'm fine with compromise and I'm fine with discussion but if that's what people want than lets have it. Otherwise people need to GTFO of here with that both sides do it so why care, nihilistic bullcrap!",
"He has said nothing racist. Your filters clearly say otherwise. ",
"I guess my point is that we shouldn't be using autism as a way to mock others? And we definitely shouldn't be calling people out on their use of it if we do the same thing. \n\nIt makes an easy target to argue against instead of real complaints, which weakens our overall arguments against Trump supporters. ",
"MLK is a true American Patriot. He would have been on the side of Trump. In fact his family is. ",
"Art with a message can have its message critiqued\n\nAnd its message is shit",
"This is one of the most daft things i've read on reddit. MLK expressed anti capitalist views, and had sympathies for socialism. \n\nYou're right that he wouldnt share democrat values.. but he wasnt expressing republican ones either rofl\n\nMLK might as well have never existed. Everyone twists him to fit their narrative. ",
"Like quite a few who have responded to you, I didn't see this in any way as an attempt to silence Trump, but as an attempt to advise him. \n\nFor me it is the combination of the finger to his own lips and the outstretched hand over Trumps mouth. That isn't silencing Trump as there is no force behind it - he would just need to move back an inch or two and he can say what he likes.\n\nTo attempt to silence Trump MLK would do better to forget the finger to his own lips, and use both hands to hold one of them clamped firmly over Trumps mouth.",
"So, a country defines a race? How insane is that?",
"Any one who reads this is us. \n\n\n> literally the only people who've been met with violence at berkley are fucking nazis.\n\nhttps://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/09/15/ben-shapiro-berkeley-protest-arrests/669071001/\n\nWho is Ben Shapiro? \n\n>[In 2008, he married Mor Toledano, an Israeli citizen of Moroccan descent.[52] Shapiro and his wife practice Orthodox Judaism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Shapiro)\n\nShaprio's ideology seems to be in line with exactly what Mlk's was, and Shapiro is apparentky a Nazi for his ideology, ergo, MLK would be considered a Nazi. \n\n> How does 1+1 not equal 2 to redhats?\n\nBecause it's not 1+1. You are a liar and a manipulative person trying to make people believe things which are fundamentally inarguably not true. \n\nYou are trying to gaslight people, pretending as if things which happened didn't then calling others crazy for not believing you. \n\nBugger off. ",
"HAHAH good one! Reflexive instinctual namecalling of people who disagree with your political opinions is very intelligent. \n\nLet me just reiterate that Barack H. Obama was by every objective measure a *worse* president that George Bush. He was the only President in US history with not a single year of 3% economic growth or higher, *despite* increasing the debt *more than all other presidents before him combined.* He was at war literally his entire presidency, with *millions* of civilians dead. More American soldiers lost their lives under Obama than did under Bush, for *nothing.* Food stamps? Record high. Labor force participation rate? Record low (since the '60s.) Wealth inequality? Record highs. The [median income actually decreased under Obama.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jul/21/donald-trump/donald-trump-largely-right-household-incomes-are-d/) And let's not forget that President Barack Obama did absolutely jack shit to reform the justice system that puts so many innocent people in jail. But I'm a retard for calling that shit out, got it.\n\nEnjoy circlejerking dude. I hope it serves you well. While you're doing that, those evil racist redneck Republicans are busy turning this country around.",
"The fuck are you talking about? There were no Nazis at Berkeley ",
"Trump and MLK have something in common believe it or not. \nAdultery.\nOf course MLK is still 10x a better man, but even the greatest of heroes have a darker side.",
"Symbolically, holding your hand over another person's mouth represents preventing them from speaking, NOT giving them advice. If it was just King with his finger on his own lips you'd be right. ",
"LOL, what? There are literally countless people from community leaders to scientists to politicians to motivated young people who are performing \"principled opposition\" to Trumpism on a *daily basis*.",
"Turn off CNN and sign off. That shit is **poison** for your mind. Try going a week without being blasted by those talking heads. It'll be good for you.",
"> IMHO, this is a total abuse of MLK's image because I do not think MLK would ever have condoned censorship.\n\nIt's a metaphor for \"Shut up and listen\", not censorship.",
"[The family of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. has charged the foundation building a monument to him on the Mall about $800,000 for the use of his words and image, an arrangement one leading scholar said Dr. King would have found offensive.](http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/18/us/18king.html)",
"MLK was a great man. Remember him for what he stood for, not what you think he'd stand for now. He was a man, not a symbol. Have some respect and honor his achievements, instead of fake fantasizing about how he'd take up *your* cause. It's very opportunistic and disrespectful. ",
"yes, it's a common tactic. It's an extension of \"I can't be antisemitic I have a Jew lawyer\".",
"No it's what all these brigading knuckledraggers want you all to think. They make it so obvious when they do it too. Make it a little more subtle next time instead of just brute forcing (exactly what russians are known for) a thread with bullshit like \"MLK would have supported trump!\".\n\nReddit is a battlefield guys, look out for piece of shit propagandists because they are crawling all over this post.",
"Name 3.",
"Or, the sane, empathetic, informed majority, who recognize the difference between a great leader, and a great troll.\n\n~\n\nedit: sweet baby christ LOL. Yeah... screw the backwards, cowardly, ignorant Trump trolls scampering all over this post and trying to redirect the conversation and down-vote any comment that actually attempts to uphold the values of the man we're celebrating today.\n\n\"Cowardice asks the question - is it safe? Expediency asks the question - is it politic? Vanity asks the question - is it popular? But conscience asks the question - is it right? And there comes a time when one must take a position that is neither safe, nor politic, nor popular; but one must take it because it is right.\"\n\n\"We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed.\"\n\n\"A riot is the language of the unheard.\"\n\nMake no mistake here. **Martin Luther King Junior would be leading riots in the streets under this administration.**\n\nDon't let his courage or his legacy be deflected and watered-down by rightwing armchair apologists.",
"Instead of sjw shills who didn't learn history?",
"Adults do this to children all the time. Besides, it's not like anything worthwhile has come out of that ugly POS's mouth. ",
"His daughters don't but I guess his niece knew him better. LOL.",
"It's not a real photo, though. It's a metaphor. No one actually puts their hands on someone else's mouth like that.",
"Responding solely to your comment in isolation from the art: I think you're overgeneralizing. Debate requires good-faith actors on both sides to be useful, so the typically admirable impulse to debate can just end up signal boosting if one side... isn't.\n\n*Propaganda is basically the political equivalent of advertising*. It doesn't matter if you debunk brand association or the use of jingles as bad arguments. It doesn't matter because everyone already knows they're shitty arguments -- in fact, not arguments at all -- but they works anyways. Propaganda is designed to abuse the free marketplace of ideas in the same way advertising abuses our psychology. It doesn't debate; it recruits. \n\nThis is something that is important to understand because there's a lot more at stake in politics than the change lost on a trashy or unnecessary product. As an easy example, fascism is an inherently violent ideology. It is impossible for them to achieve their goals without the execution, enslavement, or forcible removal of whatever minorities are degenerate of the month. Denying them a platform is not only the most effective way to combat them, but also a moral imperative considering the dire stakes.\n\nTL;DR: If fascism gains enough power, I and millions of others will be dead. I value right to life over the speech they would use to gain that power.",
"lol all im reading is \"REEE REEE REEEE REEEEE\"\n\nIts ok mate, i can see being developmentally challenged is a strain for you, but really thanks for naming yourself JIM_THE_RETARD it really does save us the trouble.",
"Look, you either agree with him, or you're racist too. That's the game. ",
"Okay even if you take a softer interpretation, and say it's not him CENSORING trump but rather telling/advising him to stop speaking, it's still out of character for MLK. \n\nAnd nowhere is the idea of listening represented here. MLK has one hand to his lips (a 'be quiet' gesture), other hand over Trump's mouth (a 'stop you from talking' gesture). Nothing about listening, which requires ears. ",
"It's not OK to lie.",
"Listen carefully to the Republican non-denials: \"I do not *recall* him saying that\". Not to be confused with \"He didn't say that.\"",
"HAHA GOT EMMM!! 10/10 good one bro! I can tell you're a very smart person =-] ",
"TIL that conservatives are all Nazis. Especially the ones who just want freedom of speech and equality.\n\n1+1=2, but just because you declare that certain people are Nazis doesn't make that true.",
"\"majority\" \n\nKeep telling yourself that if you want to lose again in 3 years. ",
"Eat a dick! Southern strategy makes that a moot point. Most blacks were Republicans till The Great Society. Read a book you fuckboi ",
"Oh for the love of god reddit...",
"Something anti Trump on r/pics? I never would've imagined!",
"He's not silenced, though, because he still has his phone. Why would MLK put his hands on his mouth when the actual speech is coming from the phone? Because it's a metaphor. ",
"This is kind of contradictory to everything MLK stood for isn't it...",
"I had no idea milk had a gimp hand and could get past the secret service.",
"You’re joking right?",
"Generally no. But the symbolism is there. Covering the mouth of another, as a symbol, represents preventing them from speaking. ",
"Except that there's nothing stopping you at all. You absolutely can. You just make excuses not to. ",
"> Honest question- when has the symbol of putting your hand over another person's mouth ever represented anything other than preventing another person from speaking?\n\nThe better question is: When has this symbol ever represented anything other *to you*? ",
"So then it's okay to prevent someone from speaking if we don't value what they have to say? \n\nPlease explain to me how that ISN'T censorship. ",
"Let his daughter do the talking about how she thinks and hopes that \"god can triumph over Trump\" http://thehill.com/homenews/news/314499-martin-luther-kings-daughter-god-can-triumph-over-trump",
"Yea because mlk was the quiet type",
"And Trump has his right on his phone and tweeting. What does that mean? ",
"\"But he said he wanted people from rich countries not poor countries REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE\"",
"> What's the problem????\n\nSocial cancer masquerading as social justice. Hate in the name of tolerance.",
"Fitting username.",
"3 million votes",
"It's not a real photo. It's a painting that is open to interpretation.",
"Not his daughter http://thehill.com/homenews/news/314499-martin-luther-kings-daughter-god-can-triumph-over-trump",
"Dude, you're seriously stretching here and I'm not gonna pick it apart. Do we really need to go into how you can listen to directions that aren't verbally spoken?",
"Research Rosa Parks and Trump.",
"> MLK Jr.'s niece has changed her mind on that\n\nWhy lie, buddy?",
"nobody is perfect. i don't see this as a reflection on MLK. he has no control over how an artist uses his image",
"What two people are you talking about? Spencer never even went there. The two speakers met with violence were Milo Yiannopoulos a gay conservative. And Ben Shapiro a Jewish conservative.",
"He's exaggerating the situation to make a point. You were literally arguing that if you yourself rephrased trumps statements giving them reasons for the racism, then they wouldn't be racist, which makes no sense.",
"I agree it's disrespectful but how is it racist?",
"What about Milo Yyiinoppolllious?",
"Still trying to figure out where I can cash in my Reddit points is it possible I can get a cruise to the Bahamas or something or is it just going to send me some kind of a complementary towel?",
"Isn't that literally what *this* is?? Where is the self awareness here? ",
"Trump isn't silenced, though. Look at his hands.",
"Yep, I'm already familiar with that. I figured if I posted that picture reddit would just downvote me into oblivion so nobody sees it",
"His daughter sure feels a lot differently, though http://thehill.com/homenews/news/314499-martin-luther-kings-daughter-god-can-triumph-over-trump",
">If age has nothing to do with it, then if you take a screaming baby and shove a pacifier in it's mouth, you're censoring the baby. \n\nNo, you're not. Like literally, you're not *censoring* the baby.\n\nThe word has a very clear definition.\n\n>Age has importance because there is a difference between a screaming child and actual speech, and also because children under 18 do not have the same rights as adults. Legally, the parent has a right to dictate what the child does and does not do. There's some swing to both points- like if a 17 year old was expressing a political view, it's censorship to stop them. \n\nYou're just kinda making stuff up here.\n\n>But back to the main point- if Trump, who is not only a college-educated adult but is also the President of the United States, wants to say something, how is preventing him from saying it (for even one second) NOT censorship? \n\nBecause that's not what censorship is? It's not censorship any more than it's apple pie.",
"His daughter sure isn't http://thehill.com/homenews/news/314499-martin-luther-kings-daughter-god-can-triumph-over-trump",
"He wouldn't have likely supported trump but he definitely wouldn't have wanted to censor him. He'd more than likely match him with debate, not try and silence him.",
"Yeah this bullshit of \"but he's using his phone to tweet!\" is a load. Clearly MLK is silencing Trump, and the entire message of this picture is lost. What's the theme? That MLK wouldn't want Trump to speak? As far as I can tell it's tasteless appropriating a cultural figure because you think you're making some deep point. \n\nDAE think MLK > Trump thoo",
"Lol it has nothing to do with his politics, it has to do with the fact that he said youre instead of your (which he has since changed, showing he got the joke.) \n\nIt sounds to me like maybe YOU are the one putting people into little packages of judgement. Maybe try, I dunno, chilling out.",
"Nah, tried that. My emotions get the best of me, as your emotions have gotten the best of you here. ",
"Look who's making a dumb joke instead of actually addressing what was said tho",
"I thought it was his niece?",
"Based on?",
"> That r/politics article saying MLK would be railed against by politicians if he were alive today feels disgusting to me. \n\nThat article is a counter to every Republican that misuses what King said and stood for. What is disgusting about that?\n\nEdit: Spelling.",
"Fair, although certain symbols have near universal meaning. \n\nFor example, take [this symbol](https://i.imgur.com/rTDhJxO.png). I could argue that to me, this symbol represents a red balloon constrained by a thin string tied around the center. Just because I have a different interpretation doesn't change the meaning of that symbol though. ",
"I interpreted it the same way.",
"No, throwing around \"You're getting emotional\" isn't an argument. \n\nTry again. ",
"And there are people with communist flags and the communists killed way more, yet you mocked this very idea.\n\nYou are a hypocrite. \n\nOh, way to steal the gas lighting line. ",
"What about this image represents listening to you? ",
"I came here as a fan of both of these man and came to say something similar but you said it way better than I could have. ",
"Usually Trump fans don't say that \"god will triumph over Trump\" http://thehill.com/homenews/news/314499-martin-luther-kings-daughter-god-can-triumph-over-trump",
"https://twitter.com/mpuccinellicbs2/status/951820541488398336",
"Funny that someone born into the first world for no reason other than luck believes that \"unearned privilege\" justifies hating someone. Bitch, Trump may be better off than you but both of your asses are easily in the top 15% of the world. ",
"What does the mobile phone with the Twitter app in Trump's hands symbolize? ",
"Because the percentage of shithole countries is very high in Africa. Like, very high.\n\nhttp://riceinstitute.org/blog/new-maps-which-country-has-the-most-open-defecation-in-the-world/",
"/r/pics is a shithole",
"How about stopping the TPP? ",
"I mean I'm not a SJW cancer Lord. So,\nIm all about people feeling the way they want. But when you spread a message of \"only black people matter\" the whole idea falls apart. I don't see BLM protesting about the Clinton's stealing money from Haiti? And how one part of the country is complete shit hole and the other part is doing fine. Has nothing to do with Race. It has to do with bad management of the country's money. Or no money at all. Social justice is cancer. And the people who back it don't even have facts or any points to prove. They just want to play the victim and blame others rather then take responsibility for there future. Get over it Trump's here to stay. We won't feel what he's done till the next term.",
"That's why she said that god would triumph over him, huh? http://thehill.com/homenews/news/314499-martin-luther-kings-daughter-god-can-triumph-over-trump",
"You could always not look. ",
"> As far as I can tell it's tasteless appropriating a cultural figure because you think you're making some deep point. \n\nYeah pretty much. That's what bothers me- nowhere have I seen anything to suggest MLK would ever have wanted one of his opponents to be silenced. \n\n> DAE think MLK > Trump thoo \n\nOMG YES ME TOO! HAVE TWELVE UPVOTES!!!11\n\nJokes aside, MLK was twice the man Trump is, if only because MLK united people while Trump has mainly divided them. Dividing people is easy- just tell them that whoever you don't like is their enemy. Uniting people is much harder. ",
">He has said nothing racist\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/us/politics/trump-immigration.html?_r=0\n\nClaims Haitians all have AIDS.\nClaims Nigerians would never go back to their huts.\n\n\n\nTrump has said COUNTLESS racist things. Which makes denying this lastest one was racist slightly pointless anyway.",
"True bu what’s the implication?",
"Trump didn't have the popular vote, so I'm not sure what you mean. ",
"Jeff Flake was not in the meeting, he only recounted what others told him. Lindsey Graham has not publicly confirmed it, although Sen. Tim Scott has said that Graham privately confirmed it to him. It isn't yet completely confirmed, although it is in the \"highly unlikely this is false\" category.",
"It represents how Trump's preferred medium of speech is Twitter. \n\nSo the implication is that Trump is using Twitter to say things MLK wouldn't like, so MLK is making him stop. ",
"> MLK was a republican\n\nYou are either a troll or ignorant, either way you are talking [bollocks.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_Jr.#Politics)\n\nMLK wouldn't wholeheartedly endorse either party, but when he did say how he voted, it was Democrat, and on (at least) one occasion he advised people to vote against the Republican candidate.",
"> I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: \"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.\"\n\n\n\n> OMG did he just supress women? He said only men are created equal. Such a mysoginistic sexist bigot!!1!!!!1 *sjw screeching*\n\nKinda like that i guess",
"But if you can rephrase a sentence that is considered 'racist' in such a way that it is still saying basically the same thing but is not considered 'racist' anymore then can the first sentence even be considered racist if they're both saying the same thing?",
"Calling them shitholes in and of itself is not racist, you're right. But when you immediately follow it up by contrasting it to the ideal country, Norway, which is super-white, one can't help but make the connection. Especially given his history of saying things like there were \"nice people\" on both sides in Charlottesville. Even someone like Donald Trump who seems unable to stop words from spilling out of his mouth, is not stupid enough to just say, \"Jesus, why do we need so many dirty niggers coming here? Don't we have enough?\" Racists have learned in the last few decades that they have to be just a tiny bit more subtle.",
"This is good but you’re going to have to work harder if you want the gold in mental gymnastics. ",
"What a thought provoking image. ",
"Nope. We don't need racists in modern society and we don't need apologists like you.",
"MLK was a socialist...",
"Name three what?",
"Okay if you want to compare which is worse, 25,000,000 were killed under a Nazi regime while 100,000,000 were killed by communism and the number is still rising. So I'm assuming you can do basic arithmetic which number is bigger? You showing off a few pictures of some backwards assholes from what I'm guessing is the Carolinas larping isn't proof of shit. The difference is the white supremacists you're so scared of aren't indoctrinating my children in universities. Forcing a culture change that will kill thousands as history has proven over and over agan. Professors are telling kids that communism is good when we have clear information that is indeed a horrible system that has and still is killing people. If you want me to believe that Nazis are a threat in the US then you communists need to stop calling everyone you don't like a Nazi. It deligitamizes your claims. Ever hear of the boy who cried wolf? Yeah that shits relevant. Edit: just watched some of your ethostate video and you're afraid of a guy with 59 subs and 54 likes? It has 1700 views and only 54 people liked it? There's a term for this....it's where you form a hypotheses, and then go out and basically create proof to support your thesis? What on earth is that called? Eh someone will let us know, but that's basically you.",
"You can't debate Trump. You can't tear him to shreds. It's already been done, countless times every week since he took office. \n\n\nWhere is he? He's still the king.",
"InB4 t_d trolls get this post locked. It’s sad that so many can be so hateful. ",
"The inclusion of MLK's wedding band is ironic, IMO, for various reasons.",
"I think it's more metaphorical. Im sure he would never physically or orally demand censorship by any means. I feel as if discussion and debate between the two could potentially lead to an end or \"silence\" of futile Trump tweets. ",
"Hah.\n\nTrump voters can't even count.",
"\"I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic....[Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive...but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against.\"-*a letter from MLK to his wife, Coretta*\n\n\"...there is another America, and that other America has a daily ugliness about it that transforms the buoyancy of hope into fatigue and despair. In that other America, millions of people find themselves forced to live in inadequate, substandard, and often dilapidated housing conditions.... thousands, yeah, even millions, of young people are forced to attend inadequate, substandard, inferior, quality-less schools....And probably the most critical problem in the other America is the economic problem. By the millions, people in the other America find themselves perishing on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. We only need to look at the facts, and they tell us something tragic...The fact is that the black man in the United States of America is facing a literal depression. Now they don't call it that. When there is a massive unemployment in the black community, it's called a social problem. But when there is massive unemployment in the white community, it's called a depression. With the black man, it's 'welfare', with the whites it's 'subsidies'. This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor.\"-*MLK, New York City, 1968*\n\nThat sounds more in line with the left way if thinking today than the right. ",
"Hmmmm ok, that was well thought out, because you totally didn't imply that by your own first response? The hypocracy of the left is fucking palpable.",
"[Evidence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgDMprmVqfw)\n\nOh wait... you mean't evidence that he's a white supremacist... Oops.",
"I think you're taking it too literally.",
"I'm going on broad themes here. \n\nThe broad theme I see is that MLK is trying to get Trump to be silent. We can debate whether that's by advice (finger to lips) or by force (hand over mouth) but the message here is 'Trump, be quiet'. \n\nI don't see anything in this image that says 'Trump, start listening'. That's why I ask. What about this image says 'start listening' to you? ",
"Isn't he using a phone anyway?\n\nThis picture doesn't make sense",
">rofl\n\n",
"MLK was a conservative republican. Liberals today would be calling him an “Uncle Tom”.",
"Yeah, different caliber of men completely. The black community needs more role models like MLK, he was spearheading an image of a more refined culture for them, which is why he wanted people to be marching in suits. Trump got elected on the back of a lot of people being fed up with the system, not because he was a spectacularly great guy.",
"Disagree. The problem is principled opposition can't quite find a counterpoint to *\"haha u lost get over it at least he's not Hillary\"*",
"Are you standing up for MLK by using someone's race against them? ",
"Not his daughter http://thehill.com/homenews/news/314499-martin-luther-kings-daughter-god-can-triumph-over-trump",
"Ok, but that's people misinterpreting what they're seeing based on their own incorrect understanding of what censorship is.",
"I'm trying to have a civil discussion here and you go straight ahead and call me a racism apologist, how crude.",
"[**Please stop politicizing Martin Luther King Day. It's a day for national unity, not political division**](http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/01/15/please-stop-politicizing-martin-luther-king-day-its-day-for-national-unity-not-political-division.html)\n",
"India has the most open defecators per square mile by a LONGshot tho.",
"Yup, this is disgusting, who ever made this should be ashamed.",
"This makes zero sense lol, The Great MLK would've supported Trump. Also MLK was all about NOT judging people based on the color of their skin rather the content of their character, something modern progressives easily forget. ",
"> I could argue that to me, this symbol represents a red balloon constrained by a thin string tied around the center.\n\nNo one thinks that, though. \n\n> Just because I have a different interpretation doesn't change the meaning of that symbol though.\n\nTo you it always represents the same thing (literally censorship) but others say it's a metaphor that stands for \"be quiet and listen\". \n\nThis isn't comparable to the heart symbol because what you wrote and what everyone else thinks are very different. ",
"It's his niece. Not his daughter. My bad.",
"> It’s refreshing to hear civility on reddit\n\nYou just told a bunch of strangers to suck a dick, and not in a tender way. ",
"thought he was throwing a punch from the thumbnail ",
"\"Your own agenda\" - I'm really curious about what you mean by this. Do you mean the \"agenda\" of civil liberty, equality, and human dignity?\n\nMLK would absolutely tell Trump to stfu. I love how the Right is somehow trying to rewrite the entire nature of his legacy, as if it would be \"the high road\" to passively ignore Trumpism and all the other regressive bullshit we're dealing with right now.\n\nMLK spoke truth to power. The image above is not about \"censorship\" - it's about rejecting hateful ideas. This is pretty obvious to the vast majority of people. Trying to deflect the point by making it about \"free speech\" is *yet another* transparent rightwing hijacking and muddying-up of basic shared principles.",
">The image has MLK physically preventing someone from exercising his rights.\n\nYou do not have the *right* to verbally speak. Nor is MLK a governing body. This is only an insult to the civil rights movement if you grossly misinterpret the painting and misunderstand the civil rights we have as citizens.",
"You can debate for the hearts and minds of his followers. \n\nYou can't debate them with outrage like 'why isn't he impeached yet?'. You have to show them why his ideas are wrong and why yours are better. I don't currently see anyone doing that :(",
"H",
"> Supports Eisenhower \n> liberals say he’s a democrat\n\nSure thing, Russian Shill",
"I dont think thats necessarily true, that sounds more like a theory that may be correct instead of a fact that people are idiots for not agreeing with",
"MLK's views on color-blindness certainly would be in conflict with the modern requirement to ensure a person's skin color is taken into account anytime an event happens. ",
"The problem probably was him calling all African countries \"shitholes\", and moments later asking \"why can't we get good people like from Norway\". The two paired indicate possible racism.\n\nThat Fred Trump was arrested in connection with a KKK march alone might not indicate he was a member, but that multiple sources identified him as wearing the Klan attire does. That he would have taught his son to be racist then explains why Donald did things like refusing to rent to black tenants or had them barred from his casinos while he was there further indicates Donald is racist.",
"Really? Hand over the mouth, and the other over the phone screen. But hey I was just trying to be silly. ",
"When you're talking then you're not listening so when you stop talking you're more likely to listen.",
"Under threat of death you child. Let me guess you have a palastinian flag in your dorm room ?",
"I saw this as more symbolism in that MLKs speeches and words were stronger than Trump's. ",
"If you want to stick your your fingers in your ears because of true belief, you would have not commented. You would have let the thread die.\n\nYou're here for tear farming. I'm a little dry. \n\nGotta do some IRL stuff, because I have an IRLife. ",
"\"including Trump\"?...ummm. Trump is alive as we speak and he does not hold back about saying and tweeting the crazy shit he thinks about on a daily bases.\n\nWe honor MLK's memory as a man who helped move social justice forward when blacks were being treated like shit and had no rights to fight back.",
"That he's not censored.",
"I dunno, I think that's a real stretch. \n\nI think a metaphorical debate wouldn't end with silence of Trump, but rather with nobody following him anymore. Because that's when an idea or ideology is dead- not when people stop expressing it, but when people stop believing in it. ",
"If you havent seen evidence that he is white supremacist then that says more about your willing ignorance than any representation of reality. Those of us who have been paying attention even a little for the past year and a half hear that and immediately know you either dont pay attention to politics at all, only watch right wing propaganda, a troll, or are just incredibly unintelligent (not ignorant...just plain dumb). Sorry, thats the truth. \n\nThats like someone saying something like, \"I heard Prince is coming out with a new album. What? He died? Well, I dont believe that because I didnt see it. I still think his new album is coming out soon.\" So just take 30min and use google. Look at the evidence. If you still think he isnt a white supremacist after all that then I have really bad news for you....I guess you have to decide which us worse, being racist or just dumb.",
"Telling reddit to do what they enjoy is uncivil? \n\nThat’s like telling me to go fuck my girlfriend and eat steak. ",
"Isn't this the opposite of what MLK stood for?",
"The top ten comments are all saying that this poster is wrong",
"The content of Trump's characters is abhorrent. MLK would definitely judge him on that. He would not have supported him. ",
"Not only that, but he was a true social justice warrior before we had to start using that term mockingly.",
"Then why are King's hand on his mouth? Why is Trump still holding his phone and why is he able to tweet? ",
"How do you interpret this in any other way than MLK telling or forcing Trump to shut up? (that's a question, because I don't see it...)",
"I need an 8X10 of this",
"\"The riot is the language of the unheard.\" -MLK\n\nMLK has been turned into a cuddly teddy bear by history textbooks. He was a socialist who fought for real social change and was willing to disrupt society. He was massively unpopular with white people of the time.",
"By about 75,000,000. I really didn't think he would try to say more people died under Nazi control or that it was just as bad. Kind of crazy to me.",
"Its a bad poster, the top ten comments are all saying he would debate him instead of silence him",
"Repost",
">I don't see anything in this image that says 'Trump, start listening'. That's why I ask. What about this image says 'start listening' to you? \n\nHe needs to listen to the message from MLK? The one that says \"be quiet\"? That's kind of a given that you want someone to listen to a message when you give it to them, regardless of what that message is interpreted to be. We're kind of wandering pretty far into left field here.",
"Thanks Obama",
"If you don't think MLK would have been more or less aligned with BLM you are revising history",
"MLK was a socialist",
"I see it more as \"dude, take a moment to listen to people\" more than \"Trump should never speak\"",
"You shush a child and teach them with the one finger over your own lips, not by placing your hand over their mouth. Placing your hand over their mouth is a restraining thing, not a teaching thing. ",
"He didnt silence trump, the twitter is still in his hands.",
"Okay Russian shill, I’m sure it’s getting late in Saint Petersburg anyway. ",
"Are you serious? I have very few political opinions in general but this man is clearly stating a point with polite language and you can't even understand it? If all you see is \"REE\" then you clearly have no ability to make a real argument, and result to \"funny\" insults. That sounds more like a \"REE\" to me than anything Jim said.",
"But it's OK to make a mistake (it's his niece).",
"Wasnt it MLK who said to judge me by the content of my character, not by the color of my skin? So why do liberals constantly bring up race i to every single conversation? Stop blaming straight white males for everything, and start judging each individual person by the content of their character instead if the color of their skin. Ive been surrounded by liberals for 4 years now, and they are the most racist out of any political party ive seen thus far.",
"I don't like the party system for that reason (too easy to generalize people and dismiss notion). I was just pointing out that it's silly to compare a Republican now with a Republican from 60 years ago. With the comment you just posted, I agree with most of it. ",
"Well said",
"You’re right, I should just take your word for it.",
"And **your** ideology makes you sacrosanct? 🤔 \n\nI didn't say hate. Fuck off your word-twisting..",
"This image isn’t about silence... I take it as, just stop and listen ",
"They sent him death threats, and now expelling people from a country is genocide, fascism is also a poorly identified ideology to begin with, then you call Israel authoritarian the real authoritarian countries, are the ones that surround Israel and are currently plotting its demise.",
"I upvoted OP just so more people might come and read this",
"I guess you could draw that conclusion with all the context available but race is not necessary at all for comparison of Norway and Africa, GDP per capita should be enough for comparison and sufficient enough reason for calling the other a shithole without a slightest hint of racism.",
"I guess you missed the whole point of my post",
"well see what you do is you take all of his actions and words (\"go back to their huts\", \"both sides\", obama isn't american, his company's housing discrimination, \"pretty korean lady,\" etc etc etc ) over the past couple decades and you look at them together and then you use your brain to see that he's a racist. But well, you're a donald supporter so it's going to be really hard for you to do that. So I guess we'll just wait for the \"nigger\" apprentice tapes lol",
"Agreed 100%. \n\nWe (as a nation) need another MLK-caliber leader. \n\nAnd marching in suits is a great idea- certainly makes it a lot easier to tell who the agitators are (they're the ones with hoods over their faces setting police cars on fire, not us peaceful marchers wearing business clothes). \n\nAlso I heard a great quote near the end of the 2016 election- Hillary and Trump are both running against the only candidate either of them have any chance of winning against, each other. I think that's very true. Pair either of them up against a 'normal' candidate and the normal guy would win hands down. ",
"Ah, understandable, may I ask where you got your initial fake news from? ",
"He had the popular vote that actually matters, the popular state vote.",
"I honestly don't think that the poster's original intent was censorship, more like MLK saying to Trump, \"Just. Stop for a minute.\"",
"Grammar mistakes on a commonly misused word? Probably autocorrect? Nah, definitely Russian. ",
"I saw it more as something that you would do to a friend or a loved one - you don't put your hand over the mouth of people you aren't friendly with in that manner. Like you'd maybe do it to your friend in a joking manner after they've said a bunch of stupid things and aren't stopping, or maybe even to a child if they don't know when to stop. \n\nUltimately I think it's a patronizing gesture, like you put your hand on their mouth because they can't help themselves so you're trying to help them. ",
"***whispers shhhh stop that shit nigga***",
"needz moar jpeg",
"Censorship requires power. A kid telling a bully to shut up isn't censorship. Calling bigots bigots and refusing to waste time engaging their ridiculous ideas isn't censorship. The right controls the white house and congress. The idea that a black socialist telling the white supremacist US president to stop talking is anything even remotely resembling \"censorship\" is ludicrous. Trump's garbage ideas are not in any danger of being repressed or not being heard. They are currently running the country.",
"Having principles doesn’t mean you are in the right. ",
"MLK’s niece actively campaigned in favor of trump. She would not condone this...\n",
"MLK beat women",
"I don't believe in \"Trump Calvinism.\"\n\nThat's what I'm calling it. ",
"Yeah, \"but the communists were just trying to get rid of people who thought differently than them, the nazi's killed because of racism and racism is worse.\"\n\nHow about neither? Can I hate communists.... and nazis?\n\nIs that allowed? ",
"Cuck",
"So Trump pointing out facts or telling the truth is now deemed racist by SJW snowflakes. What a bunch of sore losers you folks are. Changing the definition of what a racist is to suit your objective. MLK’s own Niece even says Trump isn’t a racist. I’m sure she is more qualified than you about what is and isn’t racist. \n\nI think folks like you need to grow up, move out your mothers house, and experience with the real world is about. Crying and being upset cause your bitch lost for the past year is pathetic. ",
"If you are not going to read/ are going to completely ignore what is in the link I gave, I really CBA to quote from it for you.",
"Young people have been protesting shit since well before Berkeley in 2017... like in Berkeley in the 1960s. It’s what young people do. They rebel against society. \n\nThe only reason we think it’s so out of whack now is because old right wing farts have an entire channel dedicated to getting outraged about it, and that provides a nice moral justification for those in power continually fucking over young people. “Yeah they’re buried in student loan debt, and they can’t find jobs, and their lifetime earning potential has been cut in half, and their taxes are going to Social Security payments for old racists right before their own future benefits get cut to shreds, but OMG THEY PROTESTED MILO HOW DARE THEY THOSE MONSTERS TO HELL WITH THEM ALL!!!”",
"Define Fascism you can stick that label (which can't really be defined) onto anything to label it bad and an unworthy idea. You claim your shutting down fascism propaganda but your post is propaganda itself. ",
"You think Trump and the GOP are in popular favor, and are representing common interests?\n\nI think you have some homework to do.",
"Didn't mean any offense by it. Actually though Barry Goldwater and Richard Nixon aren't *too* different than Rand/Ron Paul or Donald Trump, respectively, in terms of both their rhetoric and policy objectives. The GOP by and large still caters to the same ideologies it did back then: nationalism and libertarianism. I would argue the Democrats have changed quite a bit in the past 60 years, while the Republicans have actually not changed very much at all.",
"What he is saying is we don't know the exact contents of his statement (well, we might, but we aren't 100% certain, there are different accounts from those in the room). So he might have said something that was similar, but significantly less inflammatory. Perhaps it wasn't overtly racist, but could be interpreted that way.\n\nOf course this is Donald Trump, and we know he has a tendency to word things poorly already, so I'd lean towards the recollection being at least mostly true. \n\nWe tend to remember how we felt about something someone said more than the actual words they used, though, so his words may be at least a little out of context. For example, if he used \"shithole\" in a sentence near where he talked about other countries, but didn't directly refer to that country as one, the listener might still remember him calling the country a shithole.",
"He didn't have the popular vote. He won the electoral college vote, but not the popular vote. Saying he won the popular vote doesn't make it so. ",
"\"im not racist i once had a black (girl)friend! Oh but dont worry she wasn't a real black she was \"like jeter.\" ",
"It’s kinda hard to say look at the evidence when he evidence we are looking at are two different things. But since anyone who doesn’t believe you is plain dumb I guess I’ll just have to take your word for it, I shoooooooooooo don’t wanna be a dummy!!",
"What?",
"Oh no, taking a socialist to promote a progressive agenda, how disrespectful!",
"This is the dumbest pile of shit",
"It's 2018, everything is racist.",
"I hate Trump, I hate his policy, his ideas, his opinions, everything. But there is a difference between telling someone to shut up and the implications in this poster. In most social commentary, putting your hand over the mouth of another person means forced silence. If the arm wasnt covering Trumps mouth, this would a great poster that I believe would be representative of MLKs ideas. MLK would undoubtedly want Trump to stop his rhetoric, but he was a peaceful protester. He would not forcibly silence another person.",
"Yeah, I heard that too. 2016 was just a weird year, definitely one that's going to be remembered throughout history. ",
"> Let the fucking man rest in peace and stop using him as an accessory for your agendas\n\nIt is MLK’s agenda. That’s not letting him rest in peace, that’s letting him be forgotten.\n\nedit: that article literally quotes MLK",
"But muh MLK promoted riots \n\n-sincerely, Mr. Taking Quotes Out of Context",
"Be advised that the Trump Troll Brigade are *all over this* right now.",
"Muh narrative",
"Only when they are shown to be infants who take joy in idiotic contrarian nonsense. The word facist has no meaning anymore congratualtions you killed it .",
"Getting to the top of /r/pics influences millions of people with the incorrect message. Don't be so naive.\n\nMLK was not against the first amendment. The 1st gave Dr. King his power. This \"post\" is meant to shit on Trump NOT to educate the community on how MLK lived.",
"1883- \"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.\"\n\n2018- go back to your shithole huts, white people pls",
"A failure of an organization? How so?\n\nIt has survived for almost 100 year by realigning their mission with changing socio-political climates. It has over 1,000,000 members. It raises about $150MM a year in donations.\n\nTell me about the organization you run that is so much more successful. \n",
"It's clear that we're not agreeing on much and I'm not interested in devolving the conversation away from construction and into negativity. Thanks for expressing your opinion even though it may not be well-received on Reddit.",
">All the kindergarten level name calling in the world won't change the fact that **Trump hasn't said anything racist**\n\n[You might want to walk that one back](https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/15/opinion/donald-trump-racist-statements.html)\n\nThis is probably the most egregious example, but it's one in a long line:\n\n>>Yeah, I never liked the guy. I don’t think he knows what the fuck he’s doing. My accountants up in New York are always complaining about him. He’s not responsive. And isn’t it funny, I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. **Black guys counting my money!** I hate it. **The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.** Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else. Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And **it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.** It really is, I believe that. **It’s not anything they can control….** Don’t you agree? - Donald Trump \n\nHe said the quote was \"probably true\" in 1997, but then in 1999 claimed it was false and that he barely knew the person who published it.\n\nThen again, he also now claims that he barely knew Flynn...\n\nAgain though, this is probably the most egregious example, but it's one in a long line.",
"MLK definitely would have not tried to debate this racist bigoted piece of shit, or any of his other white Republican followers. What they believe is so undoubtedly wrong there is no reason to find reason with them. They're honestly better off with a shot to the head. Another thing I find incredibly unsettling about this image is the amount of white people using MLK image. He was for black people because they didn't have anyone else at the time. Thankfully that has changed and they have Obama and other prominent black people to champion for them. But for white people to say they're in Martin Luther Kings corner is cultural appropriation hands down. If anything they're probably just trying to hide their own racism and save face, but anyone with half a brain can see that it's nothing more than cultural appropriation. ",
"Norway was just at the Whitehouse, was probably in his mind ",
"I don't think this is about censorship at all. To me, it's the sensible, suggesting to the senseless that, 'hey, you may want to consider shutting the fuck up for a minute.'",
"MLK was about judging people on the content of their character, so he would have despised Trump.",
"You replied to /u/Muhammad_is_a_rapist by telling them that if he's a straight white male, then he should shut up. Unless of course you're being sarcastic, in which case carry on. ",
"Nope. It's sunny sunrise on the west coast. \n\nIf you're smart, you'd Inspector Clouseau'd your way into my past posts and subreddits I frequent, but whatever passes the time between Twitch channels, or vaping practice...whatever you angry millennials do. Old man needs his sleep and gotta take his teeth out...",
"> Sadly I think engaging debate is a lost art these days :(\n\nYou love debate? Shocking...",
"I'll go a little farther and say that NO ONE should ever want Trump to shut up. His giant, flapping piehole is his single biggest weakness. By advertising to the whole world how completely dishonest, racist and deranged he is, he's putting what he's really about into the real world in a way beyond dispute.\n\nBy all means, Cheeto-face, keep talkin'.",
"You are the one who said \"autistic screeching\" in the first place, so that means you're projecting, by your very definition of the word",
"Oh, it sounds like you did get the point of his post after all. \n\n\"It's so obvious that if I have to explain why, you are stupid or don't pay attention or a troll\" \n\nA+ rhetoric. ",
"Here's the problem in a nutshell - you're applying an expectation of civility and political stability to a person and a situation that is **far beyond** those norms.\n\nTrump and the hateful, ultra-regressive rightwing that he has empowered must be fully rejected by America. That's where we are. This isn't a \"partisan\" thing, it's a \"basic foundational principles\" thing.\n\nTrump is a racist, unhinged, pseudo-authoritarian twitter-troll, and his election will be a blemish on our *progressive* history for the rest of time. **MLK jr. would be leading fucking riots right now.**\n\n\"A riot is the language of the unheard.\"",
"The person you're responding to meant MLK's niece. Plus, you'll find in your own article kind words from MLK's son regarding a meeting with Trump. \n\nThe MLK family has multiple views on Trump. Niece likes him, daughter doesn't. Son seems neutral and had a \"productive meeting\" with Trump. ",
">MLK was a republican\n\n*cough* Southern Strategy *cough*",
"I would agree with this. \n\nSame thing with modern day racists. Don't censor them, put them on TV. There's literally no faster way to get rid of racism than to expose it. ",
"Keep politics off of reddit ",
">would have taken the challenge and debated Trump\n\nOh fuck off...MLK didn't \"debate\" the merits of white supremacy and nobody should",
"Why? It created this discussion, and as a result, more people understand what King was trying to say.",
"Do not reply to Trumpcucks. Downvote and get on with the rest of your day.",
"Very eloquent, nice work",
"[This guy put it better than I could](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs)...",
"Well that's just not true...\n\nThing is \"principles\" failed miserably during the election",
"Memes love cats??",
"That's big of you to admit your condition.",
"I think the image probably would have had a much more impactful message if MLK was gesturing to his own ear (to listen more than just spout off) instead of shushing him.",
"When I saw the thumbnail I thought it was a palm to the face martial arts move...",
"gotta keep that narrative going!",
"what the fuck is this shit? Can we respect MLK and all his accomplishments without this trash?",
"> Let the fucking man rest in peace and stop using him as an accessory for your agendas.\n\nDisagree. It's helpful to remind people that:\n\na) MLK wasn't a widely lauded political figure in his own time (and why that was, including his opposition to the Vietnam War)\n\nb) politicians who politely applaud MLK now are *still opposing the things he fought for and never achieved*. Fuck, they're still opposing the things he *did* achieve.",
"It's already happened. It's been like this since Trump got elected....",
"Exactly! This guy gets it!\n\nAlso, wouldn’t be auto correct ",
"Kings daughter likes trump. Hope reddit knows that.",
"Agreed, although I'd say pointing to his own ear rather than holding his hand over Trump's mouth. Then there's no imagery of *preventing* him from speaking...",
"LEAVE DADDY TRUMP ALONE\n\nI know, I-I-I-I'll call them autistic! I DID IT DADDY LOVE ME\n\nt. The_Donald poster",
"Another other body shaming comments for us? Maybe skin color?",
"You think this influences millions of people?\nI can guarantee you almost all of those millions of people already have their minds made up. And one picture of Martin Luther King with his hand over trumps mouth isn't going to change that.",
"You've gotten your dick stomped throughout the thread. I'd say take a break from the internet for a bit",
">So Trump pointing out facts or telling the truth is now deemed racist by SJW snowflakes. What a bunch of sore losers you folks are. Changing the definition of what a racist is to suit your objective. MLK’s own Niece even says Trump isn’t a racist. I’m sure she is more qualified than you about what is and isn’t racist. \n>\n>I think folks like you need to grow up, move out your mothers house, and experience with the real world is about. Crying and being upset cause your bitch lost for the past year is pathetic. \n\nI think [this quote](https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7pv08v/a_new_low_the_world_is_furious_at_trump_for_his/dsk8sbi/) might help clarify the issue for you:\n\n>The most offensive part about Trump's comments today wasn't the word \"shithole\". It was the word \"Why\".\n\n>“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”\n\n>Do people even really understand what our president is saying?\n\n>Look, I'm not angry because he calls places \"shitholes\". I'm a first generation immigrant. I come from a shithole. I lived 10 years in a shithole. I'll freely call it a shithole. I won't get offended if you call it a shithole! It's a shithole! Happy?\n\n>But how DARE he use my origin as an excuse to demand an additional reason to explain my presence here? Why is it up to me (but not say, a white Norwegian) to provide some extra level of justification for why I deserve the chance to be an American?\n\n>If these places really are shitholes, shouldn't there be an even greater [obligation](https://np.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7pv08v/a_new_low_the_world_is_furious_at_trump_for_his/dslstbi/) to help people who come from there, specifically because they're in the most danger?\n\n>Apparently not. Because Trump sincerely believes that some people do, and some people do not deserve the chance to be Americans, and your birthplace (and by extension, your race) is a key deciding factor in whether you deserve the chance to be an American. And it just so happens that the \"right\" places happen to be white.\n\n>Notice that he did not ask \"Why are we letting in poor people?\" or \"Why are we letting in people without degrees?\" or \"Why are we letting in people with criminal histories\" or \"Why are we letting in people who refuse to learn English?\".\n\n>No, let's cut the crap, already, because deep down, we know damn well that he's not talking about merit, or even about your place of origin. After everything you've seen, who do you think Trump is more likely to feel is more deserving citizenship? One of those scary Muslims that are \"taking over\" Norway, or a white South African? Cuz I got a feeling that when he gets a look at those people, the calculus for determining whether their home countries count as \"shitholes\" suddenly changes.\n\n>Trump is practically saying \"America is for white people. The rest are interlopers until proven otherwise. Until someone explains to me WHY they're even allowed here.\" Let's not forget either, that in this particular situation, he's not even talking about illegal immigrants. He doesn't get to even use that old fig-leaf.\n\n>He's talking about a reconfiguration of who we even allow the chance to become legal, through all the proper channels, not based on merit, not based on national security, not based on employability, but specifically targeted against the people he happens to hate.\n\n>And yet, the media is taking the bait. Already they rush to obfuscate the issue, to absolve him of the real evil of his comment by focusing on the \"inappropriate word\" he used.\n\n>Already, we're having these dumb conversations like \"Well, he denied that he said that exact word, but he said she said that he did!\" or \"Well, to be fair, Haiti isn't exactly a nice place to live, he's just saying what everyone thinks privately, and he just chose a colorful word to describe it...\", and instead of focusing on the racism, we just go \"Oh, but look at the pretty beaches of Haiti! It's not a shithole! Look at the natural beauty and rich culture of-\" SHUT THE FUCK UP!\n\n>What bearing does that debate have on anything?!? As if Trump's greatest sin is his vocabulary and not watching the Travel Channel?\n\n>What our president said today isn't just boorish, it isn't just cruel. It betrays a deep and insidious level of racism that can only be described as white supremacy. Again. This is a pattern, don't forget. But in this instance, he is literally throwing a tantrum because the \"wrong people\" are enjoying the benefit of immigration.\n\n>And it is so depressing and so terrifying, that even Trump's opponents - the people who represent the best hope we got to survive this regime - are just gonna waltz past that and chide him for his language.\n\n>If I'm the one from the shithole, how come Americans are so stupid that they keep falling for this crap over and over?",
"It breaks my heart to know that we have a racist President, who surrounds himself with Nazis like Miller and Gorka, and openly encourages the racist scum in this country.",
"Now I want to see a debate between MLK and Trump. MLK would be 89 (today!) but I'd like to think he'd be up for it.",
"Wow this is petty as shit, so now we're going to completely speculate something that someone who has since passed away would do? How disrespectful is that to Martin Luther King Jr. ",
"If MLK taught us anything, it is that *survival* is not enough.",
"Though you might be right, that's a lot of assuming you're doing there.",
"I'll admit, I voted for Trump but this is very accurate. No leader of the U.S.A should ever be on social media. What are his advisors thinking?! ",
"A censor is a government agent. MLK was not a government agent. Therefore MLK can not be perceived as a censor or engaged in censorship. ",
"Literally the opposite of what MLK stands for.",
"'You may want to' implies a suggestion. \n\nHolding hand over his mouth is not a suggestion, it's preventing him from speaking. ",
"There is no doubt in my mind, if MLK was alive today he'd be wearing the #MAGA hat. \n\nIt so happens his surviving family are friends and supporters of Trump. \n\nHe'd be disgusted to learn the dream is being killed by leftists and 'Identity Politics'. Harvard too of all places. Judged by the color of skin rather than content of character. \n\nBut MLK would be a Trump supporter and he wouldn't be trying to stop the tweets. He wasn't known for keeping his mouth shut and being careful not to offend privileged white liberals. He wouldn't advise Trump to avoid it either.",
"Yes, MLK's niece decides who is and isn't racist. Everyone must agree with her.",
"How edgy.",
">who's domestic economic policy is to lower the minimum wage...\n\nI haven't heard this. I've heard he wants to *lower* tax rates so that companies can increase their workers pay. He was not in favor of forced minimum wage increase in the (what was) current economic climate where a business tax rate was too high to afford an increase in pay. ",
"The irony of mass prejudice in a thread about trump being a bigot",
"I'm curious, what is it that MLK would disagree with Trump on? His own family currently defends Trump so I'm not seeing what it is they would separate on.",
"[Someone tried to debate him, Trump was scarred](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-bernie-sanders-agree-debate-n580641)",
"Good thing none of that is true then. Stop being such a sheep.",
"This is a disgrace to a legacy of a great man...",
"And all principled opposition understands that there are two views and won’t go in gung-ho saying everything else is wrong besides their beliefs. Well put sir. I respect your time taken writing this ",
"Hands are hard to draw",
"He was in a picture with Rosa Parks once, therefore he can't be a racist piece of shit! Checkmate, Libtards!",
"How many illegal votes? Dems won't let us investigate so we will never know",
"shhh .. that ruins the narrative!",
"This. Trump is the limit of discourse. He is the point where there is nothing left to say or be said. You cannot argue with somebody who lies through his teeth as a matter of course and who is only concerned with personal power. You cannot debate a population with no concern for truth and that is motivated more by bigotry and fear than reason. \n\nIt amazes me that people can look at the modern republican party, never mind trump, the base and the rest of the idiots also, and come to the conclusion that these are well meaning people. They aren't. Every conservative is either lying to you or themselves. They are not capable of reasonable argument. \n\nThey elected a fucking reality TV star. \n\nTell me, how do you reason with that level of pure fucking stupidity? \n\nKnow who their runner up was? \n\nTed fucking Cruz. \n\nAmerican politics has stagnated because we keep pretending toxic pieces of shit have legitimate things to say",
"I have learned that despite it being grossly inappropriate, I can make fun of the size of MLK's hands because that's apparently relevant.",
"I disagree with you so much. MLK lived and died for equality, he isn't some dainty precious figure to be kept in a glass case and never touched upon again. His entire purpose is to fight against the injustices towards minorities. Most people's motivations when referencing or upvoting MLK related posts are the very same motivations that MLK himself had for all of his actions. In that way people are keeping his spirit alive. ",
"They need to make mass copies of this ",
"Mostly i'd like to see other republicans stand up to his insanity. They were before they realized he was a serious contender in the primarys, now instead most all have fallen in line and it just to me is so absolutly crazy.",
"A censor does not have to be a government agent. \n\nper Google, censorship is:\n\n> the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.",
"How'd that work with Hitler? ",
"Lol, you'll take the word of a family member who massively benefits off of keeping his estate relevant, but not words from the actual man. Okay Corretta",
"You've got 2 choices here. Is MLK an American Hero, whose ideals about race can be applauded by all regardless of party, or is he a partisan tool to bludgeon your opponents into silence?\n\nOne of those ways does not bode well for any kind of racial or partisan coming together over the long haul. Make MLK seem like the enemy wanting to silence half the country, and you aren't doing him or his legacy any favors.\n\n",
"Yeah, because Martin Luther King was the type to censor... ",
"Yes.",
"Censorship is bad. I love that people want to censor Trump. It shows he's doing things right and hurting feelings of the sensitive, overly-PC snowflakes!",
"What do you mean?",
"I don't think you're actually looking around.",
"Also MLK’s niece says Trump isn’t a racist.\n\nhttps://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/01/13/mlks-niece-trump-is-not-a-racist-n2434131",
"...He said, ironically",
"Holy mental gymnastics.",
"Disgusting. \n\nOn the same note, do you want to [have MLK's actually family talk anout Trump?](https://youtu.be/kh_N3vAWed4) ? \n\nDemocrats spreading lies about DJT? I don't care. \n\nBut now are you actually going for Dr King???",
"While most sites I’ve visited agree that censorship is when *an official or government body* restricts speech, you are not providing an alternative - and more appropriate - term to use. \n\nIn this poster, MLK is not censoring Trump, but actually **silencing** him, which is arguably worse than censoring.",
">So, a country defines a race? How insane is that?\n\n>>You start out in 1954 by saying, “N@&#, N@&#, N@&#.” By 1968 you can't say “N@&#” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N@&#, N@&#.” \n\nEdit: seems automod might be catching the quote. Censored the swearing a bit.",
"I'm just looking at the symbolism of the image. \n\nWhat do you think I'm assuming about it?",
"Lindsay Graham isn't exactly a trump supporter neither is flake.",
"Free at last! To silence others to make them not free... apparently.",
"It’s a metaphor. MLK has been dead for decades ",
"I don't feel like he's censoring Trump. This seems more like giving him silent advice to me. ",
"This will hang on the wall next to the \"great divider\" Obama.",
"Oh hell yes. I would love to see that. ",
"I saw it as him just giving him momentary advice.....like “hey you might wanna stfu”",
"The're directly comparable because everyone thinks that putting a hand over someone's mouth represents censorship, you're the odd one out.",
"I don't think he would have supported Trump, he was a Socialist after all. ",
"This is such a moot point. Never in the history of elections has the popular vote won a Presidency.",
"I was going to say it's obviously sarcasm (which is was), but then read the comment directly below from someone else:\n\n> Eat a dick! Southern strategy makes that a moot point. Most blacks were Republicans till The Great Society. Read a book you fuckboi\n\n",
"Totally the opposite of what MLK stood for, but he is doing it to Trump so front page it goes.",
"MLK Jr quotes:\n\n“They segregated southern money from the poor whites; they segregated southern mores from the rich whites; they segregated southern churches from Christianity; they segregated southern minds from honest thinking; and they segregated the Negro from everything.”\n\n“And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.”\n\n\n“I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic.”\n\n“A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth.”\n\n“Our only hope today lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go out into a sometimes hostile world declaring eternal hostility to poverty, racism, and militarism.”\n\n\"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to \"order\" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says \"I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action,” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a \"more convenient season.”\"\n\n\"And one day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth.’ When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society.”\n\n",
"Thank you. MLK stood for freedom of expression no matter how much someone else hated it, they have the right. \n\nI feel like the image of MLK is changing for the worst, without even regarding what this man actually stood for. \n",
"Wow. T_D brigade is out in full force today",
"Saw the pic, shared OP thoughts, glad it is the top post...",
"This is hysterically hypocritical coming from you in the party of hate. ",
">Maybe there are velociraptors nearby and MLK needs Trump to not make a sound so he puts his hand on his mouth. \n\nThey would both be ded cuz the phone tap makes the pop sound now, at least on Android. ",
"Or to Golf for 70 percent of his Term ",
"EDIT: Ok, that last post was a waste of time here. There is no good conversation to have in this post, both sides have already put up the palisades and reason has been lost. This is just a mess now.",
"I'll believe him before I believe the guy who started the Birther movement. ",
"It's a picture. Telling him to be quite his being represented non-verbally here. Trump communicates majorly through twitter, putting a hand over his mouth does nothing to prevent that.\n\nIt's visually representing a suggestion that he be quiet and listen more.",
"I can’t help but laugh at the person who made this cheesy ass picture lol",
"And i would think that MLK would be putting his hand on the mouths of these Democrats who are trying to foment racial tension by accusing everybody and anybody with any kind of right-wing political bent as being inherently racist.\n\nMLK would recognise it to be the divisive and useless bullshit it is.",
"Get that son of a bitch off the field!",
"Jason Whitlock did an interview on something like this this morning. Spoke about the differences in mlk protesting vs today’s protests. Biggest differences were that mlk were rooted in moral high ground. He would fight the system because he was BETTER than the system. \nTelling someone to be quiet because you don’t agree with what they say, no matter how outlandish, is why things don’t get done today. ",
"Mlk was the al sharpton of 60 years ago, I can’t believe that sleazy human being is revered in this country. ",
"Yeah but 'you might wanna stfu' is not covering his mouth. Covering his mouth is 'you are unable to speak until I remove my hand'. ",
"How is this drivel getting upvotes",
"His daughter supports trump and said that he’d most likely as well... ",
"Holy shit the number of idiots in this comment section is astounding. Let's see:\n\n1. people getting their jimmies rustled over MLK, a dead human being, \"censoring\" Trump, which, WOW, that's not the point\n2. people complaining that the trump economy has worked wonders for black people, as if the Obama administration never fucking existed?\n3. people denying that trump is a racist, which nobody on the left should ever bother supplying demanded \"evidence\" for when he suggested that Nigerians \"go back to their huts\"\n\nEvery single person who voted for Trump voted for a dumb, incompetent racist, and if you still support him while he binges Fox News all day and tweets mean things at the mayor of London, you are a fucking cuck getting rolled by one of the stupidest human beings on the planet. ",
"They haven’t only survived. They have continuously raised enough support from the public to finance their mission. If faithfully executing your mission for 100 years is what you believe to be failure, then we have very different definitions of success.\n\nYou may not support the mission of the ACLU. But you can’t deny that they are exteeemly effective at raising funds to support that mission. ",
"You know he was a Socialist, right? ",
"How could you possibly think that?",
"But just conveniently ignore the fact that towards the end of his life he was a socialist. Which the last time I checked is very far away from conservative republicanism.",
"Silence free speech while we speak freely!",
"The limitations of riots, moral questions aside, is that they cannot win and their participants know it. Hence, rioting is not revolutionary but reactionary because it invites defeat. It involves an emotional catharsis, but it must be followed by a sense of futility.” - MLK\n\nThe \" riot is language of the unheard\" is so easily soaked up. The man had contradictory views. \n\nusing that same quote over and over without disecting it waters it down.",
"\"But I'm supposed to speak out, I'm an oppressed monitory.\"\n\n\"You are?\"\n\n\"Yeah, they keep saying there's only one percent of me.\"",
"Blacks... The original snowflakes.\n\nCotton generation \"boss I don't wanna work the fields no more\"",
"Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Since you clearly only know the word as a synonym for people who dont agree 100% with you",
"And thats before trump revealed how crazy he was.",
"No.\n\nIf you actually believe that you have studied nothing of the man's writings.",
"> Hand covering the mouth represents censorship, preventing the other person from speaking.\n\nI didn't really read it as censorship at all, more a \"think before you speak\" as well, but I can understand how it is read that way. And it is not a great representation either way.",
"I don't see this so much as he would be trying to censor him, per se, but more of a \"think before speaking\".. I'm fully convinced that he just says/tweets whatever pops into his head without thinking about it; he could save himself so much trouble if he would just THINK FIRST. That being said, being who he is, thinking first might not really help him much.\n\n(Posted this in the wrong place first, sorry!)",
"he didn't like to ruffle any feathers",
"Censorship? Racism? Would the other way around be racism as well? I’m so lost these days.",
">MLK was a republican and supported Israel. Suck a dick reddit. I’m a Trump supporter and MLK is far far from democrat values. The party that hates white men is not a party that judges people by their character, you liberals judge people by the color of their skin. You people are the antithesis of MLK. \n\nGood post. \n\nAlso I gonna post what Dr King's family actually think about Mr Trump. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/kh_N3vAWed4\n\nListen. If you wish to have a discussion about policies and criticize DJT for these policies. Go ahead. I applaud\n\nBut this? This is Chinese level propaganda. I know, because I spent 20 years there",
"As a fan of King's writing and speeches, I'd love to hear his imput on Trump's inanity!\n\nHowever, he was no debater. ",
"This is not depicting Dr. King censoring Trump. It is suggesting that he listens. The sign of a great leader is listening more than you speak. ",
"> No one actually puts their hands on someone else's mouth like that.\n\nSometimes they do.\n\nSource: I have 4 kids.",
"I get that MLK didn't espouse extreme SJW shame tactics, but to call him a conservative republican is hilarious. He was a socialist who believed in strong voting rights.",
"The funny part about all this, is that folks think they have the right to come here from a different country. \n\n",
"They're a creep for looking at an anonymous accounts post history? Were talking about 25 seconds of clicking. Go troll somewhere else",
"cringe",
"I'm surprised I haven't seen more people pointing out that MLK identified as a Republican. That's usually the talking point from the right to deflect from their racism. \n\nBut what I am seeing is people on the left trying to take the focus of his legacy away from racial equality and put it on economic issues. It's really sad. ",
"> everyone thinks that putting a hand over someone's mouth represents censorship\n\nI don't.",
"I actually can’t even tell if this is left- or right-wing propaganda.",
"I agree. I also think MLK would be against a lot of the hyper-liberal radical anti-racism, I'm talking about 'microaggressions' and that sort of thing. I'd think he'd tell people to stop worrying about if someone insults you, and start thinking about living your life better than them. ",
"Ummm no. Freedom of speech does not work this way.",
"Democrats are the real racists too because slavery amirite?",
"Lots of countries are shitholes (and lots of counties in the US are also shitholes). That's not the racist part. The racist part is that trump flat out said that immigrants from shitty countries are inherently worthless compared to immigrants from places like Norway. And the shitty countries he referenced were specifically Haiti and countries in Africa. Being an immigrant from a shitty country, I am totally fine with admitting that my country is shitty, and I am also sane enough to know that there are good, hard-working, educated people who come from shitty countries.\n\nIt's really not that hard to figure out as long as you don't idiotically assume that everyone in left wing politics is just an \"ess-jay-double-you\" who's looking for a reason to call their opponents racist. You may not always agree that certain actions/statements are racist, but when a lot of left wing people are in agreement about it, then you should realize that hey do have some solid reasons to use the term racist.",
"Wrong.\n\nTrump surrounds himself with Nazis like Gorka and Miller. Trump emboldens white supremacists with his rhetoric. Trump pretends to be a a Christian.\n\nIf you honestly think MLK would support Trump, you need to be checked into a hospital because you have lost your mind.",
"MLK believed in and practiced rational discourse. \n\nHe was not one to ignore those who espoused differing views. ",
"I interpreted the poster as \"think before you speak\". Covering someone's mouth isn't something anyone would do in real life which is why I did not take the image literally.",
"With how much Reddit has pushed their own agenda, you better believe over time - people have been noticing it and it is making an impact. Whether it is to push them further left or right, people are becoming polarizing. What's worse is when someone from your own \"team\" questions something and they get down voted to hell for even questioning it. I see it every day on Reddit. That has an effect on people. ",
">Oh yeah i guess that seems quite racist, but",
"thats your opinion",
"Shut up Donald! You haven’t delivered the best unemployment numbers for black people since the department of labor statistics was founded. Racist bigot! ",
"Yet some of the most celebrated leaders of the past also did that. Unlike Trump most of them also governed during wartime and that character flaw could be overlooked.",
"is that a keypad phone",
"> He's one of them \"Both sides are the same, dont bother with politics\" type of people.\n\nThat's not the case at all though. He's advocating that people actually take the time to educate themselves on issues and then oppose them in an organized and mature manner. Not just getting mad and yelling for impeachment or demanding Obama's birth certificate everytime anything even remotely controversial happens. \n\nHe's not saying to not bother with politics, but that people should be more informed, calm and mature about the way they organize their resistance to those in government and recognize that both parties have their faults. ",
"How does holding your hand over someone's mouth (preventing them from speaking) in any way suggest listening to you? That's a real question... I just don't see it. ",
"Damn. I thought he was punching him. Dissapointed now. ",
"\"Shut Up\" he explained.",
"If there’s a fake woke subreddit, this belongs there",
"That would be another interpretation: That MLK is treating Trump like a kid.",
"What about shushing Trump? That would be a \"be quiet\" gesture without actively trying to stop him from speaking.",
"I think that is a very good painting, and I also see it as MLK is gently telling trump to be quiet, and to listen for a change.",
"It’s not censorship, it’s suggestion that he ease up and have some dignity and discretion. ",
"Feeling such a tremendous urge to make everything about Trump that you post and upvote photos that were taken with potatoes.\n\n\n\n\nIt's not only a shithole of a photo, but it is clear that whoever drew this had no idea what MLK would have done. He is the prime example of freedom of speech. He would never try to silence anyone.\n\n\n\nThis is site is full of idiots.",
"*How should I bring people to agree with me?...Oh! I'll attack and demoralize them!*",
"If there's one thing I remember MLK for, its silencing the opposition.",
"The \"shithole countries\" comment, if true, is not a racist comment. Calling a country a \"shithole\", while not befitting for the President of the United States to do... is not racist. Nothing was mentioned about anyone's race / skin color, nor was anything said connecting the race / skin color of the country's citizens to the status of the country. This conflation is a stretch.",
"Great, I'm all about rational discourse as well!\n\nWhat part of the Trumpcuck's post about the ACLU would you qualify as \"rational discourse\"?",
"Lmao \"the unheard\"\n\n\"Yo they ain't listening to me, so I need to steal this Gucci belt\" ok lol.\n\nYou guys are trying to rewrite history with MLK being some street arsonist. His message was peaceful, I'm sorry if you want to bastardised it.",
"I don't think that it's really about censorship, but more a metaphor, about how Trump runs his mouth without really thinking about what he's saying.\n\nHence the inclusion of the phone with Twitter open, and the hat. ",
"Hawking a “Leftist Tears” mug every week is a great way to show your reasonableness. The man is blind to his ideological biases, like most political commentators. ",
"the irony, this very image is an attempt to delegitimize trump",
"some of us live in democracies. Political discussion is needed for self government. Like the old adage says;\"if you dont like it dont read it\". nobody is forcing you. ",
"MLK wouldn't support censorship, and this is a repost.",
"He is silencing Trump which is arguably worse than censoring. While he has his finger over his mouth like he is giving a suggestion, he is still preventing him from speaking which I don’t think the real MLK would do.",
"> The're directly comparable because everyone thinks that putting a hand over someone's mouth represents censorship, you're the odd one out.\n\nr/pics isn't everyone. ",
"I love how conservatives will put MLK on this pedestal as a way to talk down to progressives/activists of today like \"well you know MLK wouldnt approve\" or \"you know MLK was a christian who was against abortion right he was a republican!\"\n\nRight, because John Lewis stood and spoke next to MLK and look at how much cons love him.\n\nIf MLK was still alive he would be one of the most hated men in the country still, just like he was when he was alive.",
"Martin Luther King Jr. Day has turned into \"Martin Luther King Jr. would totally be on board with all my political views and none of yours\" day. ",
"How much more \"censoring\" do you get than putting your hand over somebody's mouth so they can't talk? It's an awesome image and would be a beautiful moment if it happened, but it would be an at least temporary censoring.",
">Republicans literally hold all three positions of elected power \n \nAre you claiming trumps administration/fbi is directly going to the DNC office to investigate because dems dont have any power to stop an investigation.",
"So you think MLK would be marching with a tiki torch, chanting about taking the country back from the Jews and Blacks?\n\nDo you have any actual evidence to support your assertion that MLK would be a white supremacist (aka conservative)?",
"It's also absolute fact that he would have been \"railed against\". He was in his own time. Why are we meant to blind ourselves to the hypocrisy of politicians that outwardly celebrate him while also undermining what he fought for? ",
">>MLK was a republican\n>\n>*cough* Southern Strategy *cough*\n\nYeah because when Strom Thurmond became the only Republican who switched, the whole GOP switched to the rayciss side amirite??? \n\nRead your history dude. Democrats lie to you. ",
"I have seen a few folks parroting this talking point, but I have no idea how people actually believe it. What leads you to think this?",
"More of a shhh we trying to sleep stop tweeting so damn loud",
"I see \"talk less\", but nothing at all communicates \"listen more\".",
"You’re not looking :(",
"\"Saying trump may not be a white supremacist is like saying prince could still be alive.\"\n\nTalks about others being dumb....\n",
"This is fascism at it's finest, just how the left likes it.",
"Piss off mate, maybe be one of those people constantly told you're shite and worthless by the president before you presume to tell people they're unprincipled because they react strongly to bigotry and idiocy. I don't know if this is radical centrism or just donald supporting in a guise, but feeling that the levels of outrage against Trump are only due to \"semi-offensive\" tweets and not due to policy positions like removing the mandate or cutting CHIP funding or dropping climate change from US's security strategy fucking etc. that every single day disadvantage people and jeopardise our future. Honestly I would rather have a trump supporter than someone like you who takes offense to how people voice their rage against the world's most powerful man who uses that power so unjustly, tactlessly, and immorally. ",
"Tortured Jews helped Nazis so Ben Shapiro can be a Nazi too! Jewish Nazis happen all the time!\n\nJewish Nazis. Really?",
"His famous bridge march was the epitome of shame tactics. The whole point was to shame northern establishment liberals, not to persuade the police beating the shit out of them.",
"And what is your motivation for posting this? MLK's agenda still lives on after this death, until black and white are seen as equal. The article is completely correct, if MLK was alive today people would absolutely be critical of him, just as they were during his time. Just look at the national anthem protests, that's definitely something I could see him backing and look at how well received the non violent act of protest was.\n\nJust because a man is dead doesn't mean his dream doesn't live on, especially to those he inspired to fight for equal treatment.",
"MLK's daughter opposes Trump, and MLK's daughter actually knew MLK (unlike his niece.)",
"surely you're a 4d troll in this instance?",
"The people making signs like these aren't the greatest at thinking.",
"Several people believing something stupid doesn't make it any less stupid, any more than flat earthers make the earth flat",
"Widely quoted and reported, took days for the Republican senators to decide what their story was.\n\nIf you're this gullible, no wonder you've been conned by the Republicans. ",
"MLK was around during the Vietnam War, and he actually was very anti-war that just doesn't get as much play because he got censored for those views",
"But the popular vote does determine a\"majority\" which is what this OP commented on so in this line of discussion saying it's a moot point is wrong. This is the whole issue being discussed: Trump being a majority or not.",
"It is absurd that reddit is contesting this.",
"The fuck are you on about? Every presidency besides Trump's, Bush's first term, JQA, Rutherford Hayes, and Benjamin Harrison, has won the popular as well as electoral vote.",
"On the poster, Trump’s image represents the ideology being silenced, not the man. ",
"Yeeesh, I get downvoting me because some people are reactionary but why the hell are YOU getting downvotes?? \n\nThis place...I tell ya ",
"What happened to MLK’s shooshing hand it’s the size of trumps hands! ",
"Let's all slide down this slippery slope together! ",
"Boy you failed hard on this one didn't you?",
"Yes, and as everyone knows if a hand is placed over your mouth, you will be totally unable to speak. Also, do you think the \"shh\" gesture would work with someone like Trump? Obviously he's gotten that a billion times over and doesn't seem to care or maybe even notice. No, I think a better explanation is people are just dying for controversy. This is what people sound like to me who have taken issue with this poster:\n\n\"How dare anyone exercise their free speech depicting someone trying to, arguably, possibly, *maybe* 'censor' the most censor-worthy motherfucker *in the universe* who would, by the way, gladly censor and discredit anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with him? Someone should tear that person's poster up! AND put them in prison! Because NO ONE should be censored! It's not fair that they would do something like this to poor, poor Donald!\" *sadface*",
"Martin Luther shit. Just a Brain washed slave. \nMalcolm X was The man! NOT a brainwashed slave!",
"It's a visual medium. The hand over his mouth shows MLK is getting his attention.\n\nIt is not in any way, shape, or form, actually preventing him from speaking. It's an attention getting gesture. \n\nHe takes an inch step back and he can talk. He is no way being prevented from his favorite method of communication, tweeting. The cries of censorship are an extreme overreaction.\n\n\"actively trying to stop him from speaking\" would require something that *actually* preventing him from speaking.",
"> I say silenced because of the symbolism. Putting your hand over the mouth of another person symbolically represents preventing them from speaking. There is no other symbolism associated with this gesture. \n\nExcept the hand over the mouth/silence gesture is demonstrably associated with caution. i.e. loose lips/shut your face. Furthermore the act of censorship, by nature, requires the some semblance of power with which to blot out the speaker. Every perpetraitor, so oft stylized by political cartoons, readily has some means with which to censor e.g. nations, news orginizations, big buisness etc... No one, for a second, thinks MLK has the power to restrict the President's ability to 'speak orally' or otherwise.",
"A golf buddy then? ",
"His daughter hates Trump. His niece says MLK would have supported Trump. So I guess the niece knew MLK better than his own daughter lol\n\nSources:\nhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-nfl-martin-luther-king-daughter-attack-taking-the-knee-bernice-colin-kaepernick-latest-a7966546.html\n\nhttps://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/16/alveda-king-mlks-niece-i-voted-for-mr-trump/",
"At first glance I though he was giving trump the finger rather than shushing him with left hand.",
"I agree that MLK would not silence Trump. I think the strength of this image lies not in censorship, but more in the message of not speaking in such an unjust, biased, callous fashion in the first place. Certainly people have a right to free speech, but the manner in which the president is using his is flying in the face of all of what MLK stood for. He worked hard to try and defeat the president's mentality so that it had no place in normal discourse.",
"Haha. Hahaha. Hahahahahahaha",
"Tone it down for fucksakes. It's ridiculous to say Democrats \"hate white men\" when white men make up the vast majority of their figureheads. Also you can't seriously talk about judging people by their character and then say you're a Trump supporter, the guy makes Bill Clinton look like a fucking saint. Trump it a total sleaze, and yes he's a bigot too, even though there are some fantastic conservative role models out there. Trump sure as hell isn't one of them.\n\nOn the other hand I agree with you that this picture is a total fuckup of history. But even though I consider myself \"more\" liberal than conservative I believe both sides need to learn to tone this sort of hate down. I will totally admit that your views are valid, the whole SJW thing is going WAY too far, PC culture is often ridiculous, but at least admit that we on the \"other side\" have some values that make some degree of sense to you as well (for example protecting the environment, aiming for a society where it's easier for the poor to move up the social ladder, etc.) Even where I don't agree conservatives are right (like on taxes) I can at least acknowledge that their approach still has a logic to it, even if I don't think it works.\n\nSome moderation is seriously needed in our social dialogue, it starts one person at a time.",
"> \"betraying the country by collaborating with Russia\" \n\nI just posted in r/UnpopularOpinion about something called \"proof\", of which we still have ZERO in regards to this.\n\n>Yes, it was racist \n\nHow? What was racist about it? It was shitty, it was fucked up, it was not befitting of the President of the United States. However, was it racist? Was in generally untrue? No and no.\n",
"You cannot use logic on the illogical. More often than nought people use shutting one's eyes and ears as an argument. ",
"I don't think the interpretation of gestures is quite the same as the scientific question of a flat earth, old bean.",
"This is total bullshit, using a dead man's image to further push your ideal's. It's also extremely ignorant and quite ironic to also think someone who fought for civil/personal rights would be silencing someone else.... \n\n“Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”\n\n-MLK",
">\"im not racist i once had a black (girl)friend! Oh but dont worry she wasn't a real black she was \"like jeter.\" \n\nSo your point is, he can never prove he is not a white supremacist? \n\nThat's what \"bigotry\" means",
"Haha libs and their misconceptions. ",
"Has Trump stopped wearing his wedding band? Or is he still pretending that he has taken his 3rd set of Wedding vows seriously?",
"> but never in a million years would I tell him to stop saying it.\n\nWell, I would, and I do. It's not some grand attack on the First Amendment for an individual like myself, or the public at large, to say that when the President of the US says something terrible and/or stupid, that he should probably shut the fuck up. It's a different story however when the government, like say, the President, is telling citizens what they can or can't say, for instance, with threats of changing libel laws.\n\nI'll continue to say that the president really should shut the fuck up, and I don't for one second think that this means I am condoning censorship.",
"> the party that hates white men\n\naccording to... oh right, the snowflakes of the alt-right so that they can justify whatever rhetoric they spew.",
">But the thing is that there is nothing racist about calling certain countries shitholes\n\nThere's a lot racist with blindly calling the entire African continent a shithole. ",
"MLK used historical figures to push his agenda frequently. William Irving (and Irving's Rip Van Winkle) and John Donne come to mind.\n\nAnd why does the picture have to be one of censorship and not of a friend advising another friend to pause a moment, reflect upon the power of words - a power that of which can just as easily build bridges and communities or just as cruelly tear a nation to pieces and set those pieces ablaze.\n\nA nation ablaze with no recompense and no due reverence to the ideals so written and scribed in blood by those who fought through long, harsh winters and against an entrenched enemy - entrenched in both strategic position and and mental disposition. But ask yourself - am I speaking of Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation or the very birth of the nation? Both are equally applicable and both have deep meaning for today's current political state.",
"http://sph.umn.edu/site/docs/hewg/microaggressions.pdf",
"Called places with majority non-white populations shitholes, said everyone from Haiti had AIDS, still goes after Central Park Five after they were exonerated, makes attacking Mexican and Muslim immigrants and individuals as a central part of platform (groups that are considered non-white in the current American society), doesn't want black people as accountants preferring Jewish accountants (still a gross stereotype). \n\nBut no, it is literally that one and only comment that everyone is annoyed by.\n\n(There are also loads more examples of his shitty behaviour, I just mentioned the ones I could remember from the top of my head).",
"It *is* censorship, because we are a community and OP is advocating it to the community - and the community has upvoted it.\n\nPeople are advocating censorship - it's pretty simple. ...and it's pretty disgusting.",
"You seem perfectly capable of reasonable discussion with all your buzzwords. ",
"MLK was anti-capitalism with socialist leanings. His beliefs are much more in-line with modern democrats than republicans.",
"in soviet r/pics circle jerks you!",
"Are you a bot? You can’t see my score for at least an hour in this sub. \n\nJust kidding about being a bot. Also, I’m +4 after 25 minutes.",
"ok",
"There has been no evidence for this alleged claim. Why do Republicans in a nation that proclaims democracy continue to make this country the most difficult democracy to vote? It's rhetorical, that means there is no need for an answer",
"Hillary won Cali by three million. Thats where it all comes from. One state does not control the entire vote. If he truly lost the popular vote in *all 50* states he would have not won.\n\nHowever he won the majority of states, i believe 31-19..thats the real popular vote and majority of counties as well.\n\nThis three million is so lame to bring up without context",
"Nope. Identity politics is a big leftist thing right now.",
"All of the things you just said were racist. Straight up racist and thinly veiled racist, but all racist. ",
"Once the kids of T_D and bots go to bed you mean",
">TIL Ben \"native americans were cannibals\" Shapiro is basically MLK reincarnated. \n\nI didn't say that. I said they have somewhat similar ideologies. \n\nTake Mlk's view on homosexuality:\n\nhttps://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/mlk-homosexuality-a-problem-with-a-solution\n\n>Question: My problem is different from the ones most people have. I am a boy, but I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don’t want my parents to know about me. What can I do? Is there any place where I can go for help?\n\n>Answer: Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that led to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that led to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve it.\n\nMLK thought homosexuality could be solved and was psychologically driven. Though he may not think the same provided with new evidence, he was opposed to gay marriage based on religious principles. \n\nPretty freaking \"Nazi\" of him by the standards you are applying, wouldn't you agree? \n\n >So let me get this straight, the guy who worked for Brietbart is somehow a paragon of virtue because he's jewish?\n\nNot what was claimed. And not being a paragon of virtue does not make one a Nazi. It makes one human. \n\n>With how upset you are over me calling nazis nazis \n\nThere's the lie. \n\nYou said the only violence going on against Berkeley was against Nazis. \n\nWhat makes Ben Shapiro a Nazi? \n\nWhat makes Milo a Nazi? \n\nMind you, Nazis are not simply fascist, though they are also that, one can be not a Nazi and a fascist. Nazi has a very specific meaning. \n\nHow is Ben a Nazi? \n\nWhy are you excusing violence? \n",
"*Telling* someone to be quiet isn't censorship.\n\nPutting your hand over someone's mouth IS censorship.",
"How many MLK speeches/books/sermons have you read? You have a very shallow understanding of the man’s work. ",
"MLK would just let Trump talk himself out wouldn't he?",
"MLK's daughter opposes Trump\n\nhttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-nfl-martin-luther-king-daughter-attack-taking-the-knee-bernice-colin-kaepernick-latest-a7966546.html",
"Facts",
"> Principled opposition would complain about the 'shithole countries' comment not because it's 'racist' but because it's not befitting a head of state to refer to other countries that way.\n\nI would argue that a principled person would stand against it based upon the *principle* that racism is wrong, and not on the etiquette of how a president communicates. To oppose Trump's racist attitude because it's not befitting a president is the very opposite of being principled, because it's overlooking the principle to focus on a symptom thereof.\n\nNow having said that, an articulate principled person would not stop at \"it's racist\"; they would further explain why it is racist, why that is wrong, and why it is unacceptable for a president to espouse racism. But the racism itself would still be the target.",
"Just because Trump's father was racist doesn't make Trump racist. Seriously, why does everyone attribute that quote to Trump? Is it wishful thinking?",
"What makes you think this was ASTRO turfed to the front? People probably just saw it recognized what it was trying to say and then upvoted without thinking about if it's something that would actually be advocated by MLK.",
"He is literally NOT the King.",
"You mean like the prostitutes Trump likes to enjoy? \n\n",
"Just curious: Why is everyone here such a self proclaimed expert on what MLK would or wouldn't have done? Is everyone here carrying a master's degree in civil rights movements specializing in the life of MLK? Cause as far as I know, MLK never went toe to toe with anyone quite like Trump so I think its awfully arrogant for everyone to insist that he would let Trump spew hatred openly and then debate him over it later. First of all, MLK never lived to see the victory (sort of) of the civil rights movement, so if he had actually been alive to see that battle \"won\", who's to say how he would react to stuff like Trump? Also remember, MLK openly defied people who were racist because they genuinely hated black people. Trump is ultimately just a troll and says what he says to either start shit or to glorify himself. Debating with him is a vacuum effect. Maybe MLK wouldn't have silenced him, but I imagine he would have taken to Twitter to reply in a tasteful way. Or maybe he would just ignore him entirely. Either way I think the art work sends a great message that everyone seems intent on distorting: Its ok to tell people to shut up because they don't know what they are talking about. Whatever happened to \"if you don't have anything nice to day, don't say anything at all.\" THAT'S the message I get from this but everyone is ripping into it like it's a photo of MLK cutting out Trump's tongue or something.",
"Why are you so desperate to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who has definitely not earned it?",
"Multiple people confirmed it was a fact by now. Even Trump himself didn't deny it, dude.",
"Even if this is really the tack you want to take, why does it matter from what countries people come from to measure whether they are deemed worthy of coming to America? Maybe only one damn person from a \"shithole\" is worthy of gracing America with their presence, should they be just not be allowed because of where they came from, and with any reading between the lines, being black?",
"but it wasnt the popular vote what gives you the presidency. Popular vote means nothing.",
"MLK Jr was a Republican.",
"I never said he didn't use shame, i said he didnt use SJW shame tactics, like shutting down even the slightest disagreement and declaring you evil for it or implying if you're a white male you should have your opinion shattered (unless it perfectly lines up with their ideology).",
"The GOP issued an apology for the Southern Strategy. It was a real thing that changed the base constituency of the party.",
"Yeah that was sarcasm. Hard to tell though with the way some people on this site think.",
"go easy he's been dead for decades",
"MLK would have been pro-trump just like the rest of his family. Screw these racist liberals.",
"Just FYI, the person you're responding to is a rightwing apologist who thinks MLK would be against \"SJWs\" and \"PC liberalism.\"\n\nThis is what \"concern trolling\" looks like - seemingly civil, rational ideas that criticize actual progressivism while subtly couching regressive views.\n\nMLK wouldn't be giving friendly advice to a figure like Trump. He would be leading mass civil unrest against this administration. Make no mistake here, he was a passionate, radical activist, and if he were doing that shit today, Trump would be trying to have him arrested.\n\nAnyway, Trump Trolls have successfully hijacked this entire thread, and made it into a conversation about \"censorship\", rather than a conversation about the fact that **Trump is a racist**. It's really distressing to watch.",
"When in the history of mankind has putting your hand over someone else's mouth *not* forcibly silencing them?",
"from the thumbnail, I thought MLK was boxing trump and that he got his fist eaten",
">He was a socialist \n\nIt's not nice to call MLK a retard.",
"You failed really hard on this one buddy.\n\nMLK's daughter strongly opposes Trump.\n\n",
"\"...because I do not think MLK would ever have condoned censorship...\" - assumption\n\n\"...MLK would likely have been no fan of Trump...\" - assumption\n\n\"...He would have taken the challenge and debated Trump...\" - assumption\n\n\"...I think he'd have torn a lot of Trump's tweets to shreds...\" - assumption\n\n\"...if MLK took issue with Trump...\" - what-if 😁",
"> \"Everyone is a corrupt\" IMHO, is just an excuse to perpetuate intellectual laziness and lack of civic participation in the US\n\nI think failing to acknowledge the large amount of documented corruption on both sides of the isle is really where the intellectual laziness lies. People want to look the other way when it involves the party they support and continue voting based on whether there's an R or a D next to someone's name. \n\nThat kind of partisan mindset is exactly what's allowing these corrupt parties to stay in power. Regconizing that, and opposing both parties and trying to vote them both out is neither intellectually lazy nor lacking in civic participation. ",
"> \"Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.\"\n\nOof.",
"\"Rioting is self defeating and socially destructive.\" - MLK. from the same interview no less.",
"I think that you might confusing two different events. Milo Yiannopoulos is not a nazi. Sure, he makes his living by being an asshole, but he's not a nazi. And he never waved a swastika or called himself a nazi either.",
"Fuck radical centrism, jesus christ, \"I know Trump has done some things wrong, maybe, possibly, if it turns out to be true, but the real problem is how people are upset over it, really they should be doing a better job to reach out to enlightened people like myself who divine the truths of all situations by being immovable from the position that neither side is right so I'm better than both. ",
"To be fair, it’s hard to expect principled opposition when you’re dealing with someone as despicable and morally decrepit as trump. Past administrations and presidents, no matter how disagreeable their policies were to their opposition, had at least a semblance of decency and civility. Trump’s vile degeneracy naturally brings out a stronger reaction in his opposition. This is truly unprecedented territory. While I do agree that’s the way to go, how well would logic and principle really work against an administration defined by lies and corruption? ",
"And he certainly wouldn't oppose Trump.",
"Says the guy spreading unsubstantiated lies.",
"Jeff flake went on a huge rant about trump and he gave out grahams phone number. Safe to say those two arnt his buddies.",
"I think we are all sick of republican in fighting ",
"Uhhhhh, No. One does not have to win both the popular vote *and* the electoral vote in order to win a Presidency. That's just what you are used too. \n\nPlease see Bush 2000",
"Yes.",
"and don't ruin is legacy by saying he would be leading riots.",
"I usually don’t feed trolls but you are blatantly spreading false information. Cuck? Maybe you should at least look up the definitions of words before you use them. Might make you look less of a fucking idiot in the real world. Some free advice for life right there.",
"Ok we are done here, enjoy your day.",
"Except it does mean something, it gives a good indicator of how well-received the president will be, sure it doesn't have any official relevance, because the system is fucking stupid and designed to keep political elites happy and take power away from the people, but no president that has won in by the technicality of the electoral college without also winning the popular vote has been well-received. ",
"Eisenhower wouldn't win the nomination in today's GOP",
"Wow a lot of the comments here are especially bad.",
"I'd also have a conversation with /u/Muhammad_is_a_rapist who told a bunch of people to suck a dick and tarnished revered socialist and civil rights activist MLK Jr.'s legacy. Hate when reddit makes me defend liberals.",
"You are fundamentally ignorant, or lying if you are not aware of the Marxist roots of the identitarian politics of today. Of the class warfare being pushed on us due to Marxist roots. \n\nIt is not one kid on the streets waving sickle and hammer flag. \n\nStop lying or go educate yourself on the topic. \n\n",
"It is 100% true. And nothing you post from your troll factory in Moscow will change that. ",
">Just because Trump's father was racist doesn't make Trump racist. Seriously, why does everyone attribute that quote to Trump? Is it wishful thinking?\n\nThat quote wasn't Fred (who was literally arrested for his involvement with the KKK). That was [Donald](https://www.snopes.com/trump-laziness-is-a-trait-in-blacks/).\n\nUnless you're trying to make some comment about Donald vs. Donald Jr....",
"Blah blah blah. All this pompous \"what MLK would do\". Gimme a break. How do you even write this stuff?",
"When a severely pixelated picture of a sign reaches the top of r/all on r/pics, it may be a sign of an unhealthy obsession with Trump. ",
"I like the tweets.",
"are you opposed to free speech? ",
"I do not think anyone should be censored. I think the best way to get rid of bad ideas is to expose them. Racism thrives when hidden in the dark. \n\nI don't think the poster should be torn up, but I do think whoever painted it should reconsider what they're trying to say. That's not because I have any love for Donald, but because I think we should be better than that. \n\nMLK effectively led the civil rights movement because he took and held the moral high ground. If we resort to censorship, then we can't do that. ",
"why does every other pic on this sub have to be US politics?",
"How does this have *any* upvotes.",
"I had a black woman on social media respond \"Oh here comes a white man quoting MLK again\".",
"> they are exteeemly effective at raising funds\n\nThat is not a benchmark for success. They have strayed from their mission. They no longer defend free speech and I find that the anti-thesis of success.",
"Like you did by ignoring his daughter's thoughts? ",
"Notice he's holding his phone? This is more about the tweets than anything. I believe we can all agree that the president would do well to stay off Twitter. He sits in a position where, despite his personal opinions, he should refrain from such things. Having to watch the White House Press Secretary explain away covfefe is a ridiculous waste of time that turned into a national spectacle. All of which detracts from the focus on much more important things. \n\nI agree with the spirit of the painting. Put down the phone and pick up a legislative pen. Stop with the abrasive, divisive tweets because there's good work to do.",
"Congratulations, because that's what you just did. He was, in fact, a socialist. Yet you idiots continue to appropriate him as some retroactive trump-follower",
"What part of the institutionalized, de facto racism that MLK opposed was rooted in rational discourse?\n\nLowering yourself to the means of your detractors is a dangerously slippery slope. ",
"I'm not terribly worried about street art of a dead man silencing the world's most powerful living one as an issue of censorship. But hey go forth with the centrism my lad, the real problem with this is that someone is indicating trump should shut the fuck up. ",
"Yes, you are right, those are assumptions. But they are based on what he said and did. Can you point to a case of MLK trying to silence a racist (rather than debating them)? ",
"This picture means that Trump's words and tweets are hurting civil rights' leaders and the people they stand for, and Trump needs to shut his mouth. While the portrait has good intentions, from another angle it shows signs of censorship against First Amendment rights. Words have inspiration to them, but actions are much stronger.\n\nIt has been fifty-three years since the Civil Rights Act and not everyone has changed their minds since the 60's, and that's why organizations still fight for issues like this. If everyone moved on from it and there was no more discrimination in the world, the groups wouldn't have a purpose and wouldn't exist anymore.",
"Wow. And they said Bernie bros did mental gymnastics. ",
">please see bush 2000\n\nOh yeah, like how I listed it up there? Nice reading comprehension /pol/cuck.\n\nYou don't need it to win the presidency, but you can't call it democracy if the loser of the popular vote wins the seat. As it is now, it's a system rigged to keep the political elites happy and marginalize the people. The fact that the electorates for the college don't even need to vote for who they said they would vote for is evidence of this.",
"Did I say anything about Jeff Flake? ",
"I doubt the person who made the poster has even listened to a word MLK has ever said. ",
"Wait does anyone else know? ",
"> tl;dr for your entire post: communism killed more therefore ignore the nazis waving flags in america today\n\nYou severely lack reading comprehension skills if thats what you got from his post. ",
"> Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.\n\nHe's not talking about debating political opponents, he's talking about how important direct action (the kind that reddit vehemently hates when BLM does it) is in exposing racial injustice in American society. He knew American society wouldn't end segregation and other injustices on their own as they weren't willing to even acknowledge it so the movement would have to make a lot of noise in order to make them aware of it.\n\nHe was a firm believer in the first amendment but I don't believe he ever said anything about seeking out debate with white supremacists being a way to accomplish their goals. If he ever said anything to that effect then I'm happy to be wrong.\n\n>There is no other symbolism associated with this gesture.\n\n...It could also just be MLK telling Trump to stop talking and start listening. Your interpretation isn't the only one there is.",
"He received the Ellis Island Medal of Honor, together with Ali and Parks.\n\n> The Ellis Island Medals of Honor embody the spirit of America in their celebration of patriotism, tolerance, brotherhood and diversity. They recognize individuals who have made it their mission to share with those less fortunate their wealth of knowledge, indomitable courage, boundless compassion, unique talents and selfless generosity; all while maintaining the traditions of their ethnic heritage as they uphold the ideals and spirit of America. As always, NECO remains dedicated to the maintenance and restoration of America’s greatest symbol of its immigrant history, Ellis Island.",
"> white people pls\n\nsource?",
"What? That's gotta be the most convoluted reasoning in the whole thread. \"The art depicts censorship because it was posted to reddit, and it got upvotes\" Like... what?",
"Do you have experience of that of Trump? Should you or MLK shut up and learn something?",
"Do you have any idea how fucking cringy you sound? Any self awarness?",
"I agree, but I also think it gives more affect. I see it as \"Even MLK would want to tell Trump to shut up\"\n\nIt could also symbolize MLK shutting Trump down, and that can be done via debate. ",
"Yeah but a lot of people don't realize what Martin Luther King was really about.\n\nAs evidenced by the fact that people think he would've tried to silence people.",
"Lol this is not anti-1st amendment and isn't against freedom of speech. It's saying Trump should speak less / be less hateful",
"Did you think, I thought it a photo? ",
"I agree. But the comment itself was not explicitly racist. He said we should limit immigration from shithole countries. IE he was insulting the countries, not any particular race. ",
"default subs were a mistake",
"> Suck a dick reddit\n\n- The OP",
"Majority? No. Majority of people didn't vote and/or voted third party. Roughly, each candidate won 28% of those who were eligible. ",
"What a surprise, leftists don’t even know what MLK believed in. ",
"It does exist! There are all kinds of great debates on YouTube. People just don't care to watch them. From the comfort of their own effing homes, they can watch and listen to the best minds debating ideas. Instead, soundbite news and Netflix. ",
"OK fuck off. How can you be so deluded that you think a socialist pastor whose life work was fighting for racial justice would like the worst fucking indictment of capitalism as a flawed fucking system, embodied in a racist buffoon whose only positive contribution to the world is reminding the world how fucking primitive the world's richest country still is. ",
"Freedom of speech is literally in amendment 1. While the amendment is not exactly being broken here, since MLK is not part of the government, he is still restricting Trump’s ability to exercise freedom of speech, which is unlawful. You do not have the right to hold you hand over someone’s mouth to prevent them from speaking.\n\nEdit: fixed auto correction",
"> MLK would have been pro-trump\n\nDude, not a single one of the modern Presidents are Pro-Trump. You think MLK would have been? LOL, got that tin foil MAGA hat on tight there buddy.",
"> Martin Luther King Junior would be leading riots in the streets under this administration.\n\nSays the completely clueless redditor who just exposed how little he knows about MLK. \n \n\"Fuck you ignorant rightwingers, I know for a fact this peaceful man who encouraged open dialogue between opposing parties would be leading violent riots right now in an attempt to shut down the voice of the opposition!\" ",
"It's really hard for me when it's in a thread like this where there are really serious conversations going on. Don't get me wrong, I *love* a good joke. Sometimes it just goes straight over my head. ",
"This is the best quality non-Trump supporter comment I've read. This is exactly how I wish those who oppose would conduct their means of expression, instead of shouting and silencing.",
"MLK was a democratic socialist but hey nice try",
"Basically their argument is Free Speech is bad because it allows speech they don't like ie micro-aggressions, hate speech, etc. \n\nThey consider 'harmful' speech the equivalent to physical violence. I wish I was making that up.",
"The *popular state vote*, the one that matters.",
"You're gonna love our Propaganda Collection Vol. 2 then!",
"Okay but even then, when did MLK ever try to silence ideology? I literally quoted him arguing the exact opposite of that. ",
"Reddit you are the problem.",
">\"cite some explains\"\n\nI suppose Google is a new construct, because the most cursory search reveals that MLK was a Socialist who believed in spreading wealth. Here's the first quote I found in literal seconds: \n\n\"In both Norway and Sweden, whose economies are literally dwarfed by the size of our affluence and the extent of our technology, they have no unemployment and no slums,\" King said. \"There, men, women and children have long enjoyed free medical care and quality education. This contrast to the limited, halting steps taken by our rich nation deeply troubled me.\"\n\nOh but I'm sure he'd align with Trump's \"far-left\" individualism. Seriously, how do you talk yourself into these crazy beliefs?",
"Free speech? Are you talking about the right's defense of white supremacy and nazism under the guise of free speech? Or it's obsession with pedo-basement troll incarnate Milo Yiannapoulis? Cus those are the only causes I've seen republicans rushing to defend whilst crying \"but muh free speech reeeee.\" As for your latter point, we can't really get past our Republican president without calling that into question, e.g. \"shithole countries.....\"\n",
"The left are calling for a Fire and Fury book ban? Derpy.",
"If you have no idea about the economic circumstances under which Obama took the office of the presidency and the uniform opposition be received from Congressional republicans from 2010 to 2016, you may think he has a point (aside from the literal lies about things like the unemplyment rate). A lot of his more spurious points can easily be rebutted by just thinking about the fact that Obama entered the office in the midst of a massive recession which came after 8 years of the Bush presidency and in the middle of 2 separate multi-trillion dollar wars initiated by the Bush administration.\n\nHe's doing a gish gallop, a \"debate\" technique where you throw out a very large number of assertions (some of which are true) so it takes your opponent a huge amount of time and effort just to correct the obvious lies, leaving them not enough time to actually make their own argument in the debate. It would take at least half an hour to write a properly sourced rebuttal to the false claims he made, and that's without even making any original arguments as to why Obama was a good president. It's obvious that most people will not take the time and effort necessary to correct this, so it looks to outside observers (like yourself) as if he's making reasonable points and he \"won\" the debate. And if you're not really into politics (which is totally normal, most people feel that way), you may come away from his comment with a few new misconceptions about politics. Unfortunately, doing your own research and getting informed enough about politics to have a solid grasp of the recent history of American politics takes a long time, but reading a bullshit comment on Reddit takes a few seconds.",
"If the elites were rigging the election, Hillary would have won. ",
"Started the birther movement and blatenly lies about easily disprovable things all the fucking time ",
"Yep, that's the guy.",
"That advice was great for 1883 when we needed more people and it was a lot of Irish coming in. We were still racist and hated the damned lazy Irish, but man is there a difference between bringing in any \"tired, poor, huddled masses then vs now.\" They don't have to work now. In 1883, there was no social net. If they didn't work to help make the place better, they'd die of starvation.\n",
"Ah the Jeff Sessions defense.",
"Less popular than trump is now, but now he's been sanitised and turned into that his only issue was that racism was legislated. Get the fuck out of here, man was a radical who was killed for beliefs that trump and co trample on and these fucking morons want to claim him. ",
"Can we not? I want to get off the ride, it hurts my mind.",
"How big of stretch is it compared to, let's say, calling people racist because they call rioting, looting and the hunting down of people because of their skin color \"uncivilized\"?",
"No. I'm not up for a debate where I have to try and defend racism because that's not what I'm about. I was just pointing out the assumptions after having read the #1 comment on the thread. Yours is on the top, not mine. So, keep up the good work! 👍👍\n\nedit: grammar",
"Wow that is the most disrespectful thing I have ever seen. This is highly offensive why is it not the lead news story on every channel. It is clearly racist. ",
"I think it's more an ideologically driven thing. Anything that's anti-Trump must be good, so people interpret it as such. I've got an inbox full of people saying that putting your hand over another person's mouth is a 'cautionary' gesture, that it's indicative of 'giving advice', etc. ",
"Why do you think MLK would've supported Trump? Just what is going on in that head of yours?",
"Just now realized this wasn’t a giant sign ",
"Yeah the excessive down voting is sometimes ridiculous on this forum.\n\nAlthough the whole idea that Reddit is pushing their own agenda really seems like a bunch of BS to me like some conspiracy theory stuff.\n\nAlthough I would be happy to read up on any of those theories because I do enjoy them. So please posts any links.",
"Obama tweeted approximately the same rate",
"Dank",
"Check to see what the circumstances were, unless you want to keep sounding ignorant",
">sure it doesn't have any official relevance, because the system is fucking stupid and designed to keep political elites happy and take power away from the people\n\nyou guys had no problem with it the last 250 years, why now?",
"He’s a Christian. He can hate what he considers sin and still love his fellow man. Quintin Baker also believes and remembers he wasn’t very comfortable with it, but was sympathetic.",
"> I love that people want to censor Trump.\n\nI love that Trump want's to ban the Fire and Fury book, but yeah it's the left that are censorship snowflakes. LOL, gotacha..",
"I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.” – Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952.\n\n\n\nMLK QUOTE. SUCK A DICK DUMBSHIT.",
"I'm still waiting for the actual racist part of it. And the actual proof he even said it. ",
"Hired shitposters",
"The ACLU has won many cases that are now legal precedent for defining freedom of speech. Particularly with regard to protests against politicians and against war.\n\nThey did the heavy lifting. They won landmark cases that are still the basis of decisions today. They don’t need to take every case.",
"> Suck a dick reddit\n\n- The OP",
">I don't currently see anyone doing that :(\n\nThe news was nonstop coverage about how stupid and wasteful his policy proposals were and he got elected anyway. There was a huge dearth of articles and experts coming out to explain how he was wrong and it didn't impact his popularity. In politics, it's not enough to just point to someone's policies and say they're wrong, you have to also provide a meaningful alternative, which the Dems failed to do.",
"Yeah, some of these comments are poison. ",
"NO. any conspiracy that fits my narrative and keeps my bubble from bursting must be treated as a legitimate theory. Have you ever seen evidence that a unicorn DOESN'T EXIST??",
"I forgot i always get the attention of others by covering their mouth with my hand and physically barring them from speaking ",
"Why would Hillary's PAC literally pay for reddit comments then? (and likely right wing PACs as well)",
">Freedom of speech is literally in amendment 1.\n\nAnd in your next sentence you *literally* explain why absolutely nothing depicted here has anything at all to do with the first amendment, so...\n\n>While the amendment is not exactly being broken here, since MLK is not part of the government, he is still restricting Trump’s ability to excessive freedom of speech, which is unlawful.\n\nYou know what else was unlawful? Pretty much everything MLK did in protest to support the civil rights movement. So I'm not sure how a depiction of an (arguably) unlawful act is an \"insult to the civil rights movement\"\n\nEither way, it's got nothing to do with censorship.",
"MLK would be derided as a white supremacist in the current political climate. If you're black and not a neo-segregationist then you're a racist Uncle Tom/House negro.",
"\"Anyone who doesn't agree with me is a deplorable who crawled out of T_D\"",
"Have a nice life.",
"> I think he'd have torn a lot of Trump's tweets to shreds\n\nhttp://i.imgur.com/42x0S0h.jpg\n\nThis one is iron clad. Sorry MLK\n",
"You nailed it dude. ",
">During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage malice, the most furious hatred, and the most unscrupulous campaigns of lies and slander. After their deaths, attempts are made to convert them into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their names, to a certain extent, for the ‘consolation’ of the oppressed classes, and with the object of duping the latter, while, at the same time, robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its revolutionary edge, and vulgarizing it.\n",
"MLK was all about freedom of speech..... ",
"Unfortunately today's liberals only believes in censorship and blocking freedom of speech.\n\nWhich is why MLK and them wouldn't be compatible.",
"Can I get an amen?",
"he could start by not saying racist things like go back to your huts, and saying we shouldn't take people from shithole countries, but you probably thought that was fake news huh",
"Jeff Flake wasn't there, and both Perdue and Cotton have contradicted Durbin publicly. I am not Senator Graham, so I have no idea what's in his mind. I am only reporting what I read in the last 24 hours.\n\nBut, feel free to downvote the reports.",
"Graphiti /mural artists, this should be full scale!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!",
"Congratulations on brainwashing yourself; MLK was an outspoken socialist who criticized capitalism. But in your warped mind he would be slobbering over a billionaire president whose 17 cabinet members own over 1/3 of all the wealth in America. Once again, congratulations on this incredible feat of mental gymnastics.",
"I'll have you know I'm a young bean friendo ",
"remind me 3 years",
"An index finger pointed at the temple is the symbol for thinking, not covering the mouth of someone, preventing them from speaking",
"No, I'm talking about how the left label anything that doesn't fit their narrow point of view as \"hate speech\" so they justify to themselves that censoring it is for the \"good of the people.\"",
"Sure buddy. Try living in Hicksville Illinois. You'll see Republican racism all over town. They don't even try to hide it.",
"Love the projection from this one. They're feeling on edge, that much is obvious, so they call it out on you. Nice. ",
"Same people that think Meryl Streep and Oprah are, like, super brave and stuff for grandstanding at the Globes. ",
"To be fair, \"sjw\" is usually a term associated either td or 4chan. It's not an outlandish assumption.",
"> National debt, unemployment, national debt, welfare expansion, food stamps, poverty, homelessness, civil unrest, healthcare costs, wealth inequality. \n\nSeriously, are you this dense? This is a lazy and dishonest take, nothing more, nothing less. \n\nThere was kind of a historic economic disaster when Obama began his presidency. Do you remember it? I think there's still a ton of stuff about it on the web, you can open a new tab and google \"financial crisis 2008\". If you dig deep, you'll learn a lot about what a crisis of that magnitude does to the economy. If you read and learn enough, you might even develop an appreciation for where the country was when he started and where it was when he finished. I know you won't/aren't capable of it, though. As for assassinating US citizens overseas without due process, like you give a crap. I'm pretty sure you only care about this when you need to find anti-Obama stuff.",
"Because I believe strongly in things like burden of proof, and that everyone deserves a legal defense, and that rational skepticism is important. Would you prefer that we convict without due diligence?\n\nI feel that one of the central issues we face in politics and public opinion today is that too many people enter a debate having already rendered their verdict.",
">if MLK gave his \"I have a dream speech\" in a place like Berkeley in 2017 some of it would likely be viewed as hate speech and there would have been a riot.\n\nWhich parts?",
"I like how you aren't even going to pretend to have read my whole comment and just blindly repeat the assertion. ",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"[Visualized](http://i0.wp.com/metrocosm.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/election-2016-county-map.png)",
"Except we did in 2000. It wasn't nearly as big a deal because it was a very small margin, only a couple dozen votes. This time, however, there was a much larger disparity. Plus while Bush did make an ass out of himself, it wasn't done with the regularity that Trump does it.",
"I never said I don’t live in a democracy, all I am saying is that Reddit should be spared from politics and be talked about in an app like twitter. ",
"Given black unemployment is the lowest it's been in almost 20 years, I don't think MLK would have the stance against Trump you'd believe him to have. ",
"I don't have any links - just what I've noticed. They are *clearly* anti-Trump. And Net Neutrality? They *shoved* that down our throats, regardless if you support it or not. They had every sub posting something about NN. Even fucking r/succulents lol!\n\nThere is definitely an agenda on this platform. ",
"Shh baby is ok?",
"\"that was ok bc they were white people.\"\n\nafrican immigrants have a higher rate of achieving a bachelor's degree than native americans. \n\nhttp://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-global-african-immigrants-explainer-20180112-story.html\n",
"But barely though. As you can see in this discussion there are many many people who have an incredibly loose interpretation on the message and meaning of MLK Jr. Also really loose interpretations on the meaning and symbolism of one person covering the mouth of another person. ",
"Yeah censorship!!! How dare anybody have a differing opinion even if it is bigoted /s",
"OP, go fuck yourself",
"Yeah... \"you don't really see it\", because you don't even acknowledge that Donald Trump is a bigoted pseudo-authoritarian asshole, and that MLK would not only be telling him to zip it, he'd be leading riots in the streets against this administration.\n\nI see you, man. You're very civil and rational-seeming, but the crux of all of your arguments is simple rightwing apologism. And I think it is pretty unfortunate how successfully you and others have steered this thread into an irrelevant debate about \"censorship\", rather than the discussion we all *should* be having, about how the goddamn president is a racist, incompetent troll.",
"I don’t really see the emphasis on listening to what others say, but there is definitely the silencing and suggestion to remain quiet.\n\nEdit: if you change the main body of your comment, you should say so in your edit. You did not originally say the picture depicts that Trump should think about what he wants to say (even if he should). \n\nAnd I still disagree that this poster has anything to do with listening. There is no emphasis on it, just the silencing.\n\nAnd you’re two examples of holding your hand over someone’s mouth to prevent them from speaking seem irrelevant. They are different scenarios where complete physical silence is helpful. MLK fought for everyone to have a voice. To say he would silence someone because he didn’t share their views is disrespectful and opposite to what he strove for. ",
"That's not something that I needed to think about in order to make my point: I was emphasizing that it's not real and that there is no real physical force involved. It's an art piece that is open to interpretation. ",
"I can sum up your comments as \"I'm a democrat\"\n\nAnd no I'm not a Trump voter im not even murrican",
"I don't know who you're referring to when you say \"you idiots\". \n\nSocialism doesn't work. Anyone who thinks socialism works is a retard. By calling MLK a socialist, one is calling him a retard.",
"Wow, that is a really good comparison. Still stretching, are we? ",
"We are a republic.",
"How many times are Trump supporters going to lie about MLK Jr?",
"USA is practically the only country in the world were you don't even need an ID to vote. The fuck are you on about? Lol",
"What's \"cringy\" about calling Trumpcucks out on their bullshit and refusing to play their little games?",
"And that's another thing. Sjw is such a good compliment. I have no idea why people use it as an insult. It's such a great compliment to people who want to actually make a change in the world and promote Justice and equality for people and minorities who don't have it. The people using that term as an insult are probably living in their mothers basement, pissed off at the world and too lazy to go make a change themselves",
"You obviously don't know anything about MLK Jr. besides whatever lies and propoganda the_donald told you.",
"Shitty pretentious \"artists\"",
"It's not moot at all when you have 30 percent of the population trying to convince themselves that the majority of people supported Trump. It's not moot. He's simply wrong. ",
"Sarcasm is difficult to convey through text. Iss all good.",
"Jesus... Just.. just stop saying that damned word. Im dying of second hand embarrassment.... Holy fuck",
"I'm not the one trying to use MLK's memory to shill for my agenda here.",
"They won the popular vote, yes, but the popular vote didn't win them the presidency.\n\nWhy is this so hard to understand?",
"What about all his relatives endorsing President Trump? \n\nhttps://youtu.be/AheOESW_9YU\n\nhttp://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/dr-martin-luther-kings-niece-endorses-donald-trump-believe-many-things-hes-saying/\n\nhttps://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/08/trump-signs-bill-upgrade-martin-luther-kings-birthplace-national-historic-park/1015174001/\n\n",
"It's a good defense. \n\nSource: Me. Grew up with siblings.",
"I agree, but I also would applaud anyone who got Trump to shut the hell up. Plus they'd be covering a part of his dumb face.. so, there's that too.",
"Oh Christ...they’re really using MLK (in the wrong way mind you) to make a political joke? Fuck off.",
"I think that's why most of the Trump criticism falls on deaf ears, mine at least. I get that people think Trump is dangerous and his behavior is \"unbecoming\", but when these same people start citing Trump critics like like GWB, Cheney and (recently) Bill Kristol, the hypocrisy and blind partisanship make my blood boil. I mean, have we forgotten that these people committed *war crimes*, which Obama btw refused to prosecute them for. Does posting childish insults on twitter really trump secret torture prisons, double-tap drone strikes, and presidential hit-lists?\n\nTrump's \"unpresidential\" behavior, like GWB before him, is a superficial argument. Yes, things that he's said about women should disqualify him from holding public office, and this is a \"principled\" objection, but most of the complaints I hear are otherwise related to his lack of statesmanship or his policy decisions. Many of these policy criticisms (eg. the tax cuts) could be made about *both* GWB and Obama as well. These former presidents shouldn't get a pass simply because they're Trump critics; that's what it means to have a \"principled\" argument. The enemy of my enemy *is not* my friend.\n\nThe most infuriating thing about the criticism so far, though, is the shameless \"red baiting\". Accusing people like Jill Stein (not just Trump) of being useful-idiots or outright colluding with Russia to subvert US democracy harken back to the days of McCarthyism. WHAT FUCKING YEAR IS IT? Have people lost their god damned marbles?\n\nIt's just absurd for the democratic party (particularly the Clinton campaign) to make these claims while allowing a river of corporate money via super PACs, speaking fees, etc... to flow right into their coffers. Talk about subversion from within. Of course notwithstanding is the US's own electioneering in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and South America (eg. as recently as the Honduran coup during Obama's presidency). Every time Democrats/Republicans mention election interference, they sound like ignorant morons.\n\nDemocrats can cry crocodile tears about how Trump all they like, but until I hear some principled arguments that hold Obama and GWB accountable as well, I refuse to take that party and all the partisan liberals tugging on my pantlegs seriously.",
"Can you rephrase? I'm not sure I understand your point. ",
"Hillary has a 99% chance of winning guys!",
"Links please.... Otherwise it's just you saying it.\nNot trying to be insulting I just really don't know anything about what it is you're talking about. \n\nI certainly have no issue believing that Reddit would do something to get paid. If you're going to claim some bias or something like that though I'd like to see evidence of it.",
"Try telling him that. The man is so bad at taking criticism that he's set himself and his supporters up so that his practically invincible. His supporters are as ignorant as he is, and he cannot be brought down. The only way to get rid of him is to leave him behind.",
"Extreme nationalism doesnt always =facism.\nArab world attacked Isreal and lost. Losers dont get to set the terms of surrender. They got what land they were entitled to.Those palastinians are also the assholes using hospitals as launch sites. Dont really care what they think about the land that Isreal was gracious enough to let them occupy.\nForcible supression of opinion is a joke . Palestianians are still able to work and worship in Isreal \n",
"I think ya'll take things too literally. \n\nIt's a painting. The artist is saying Trump should shut up, not telling him *to* shut up. No one is censoring the president of the United States. You wouldn't call your response to the artist censorship would you?",
"I'm talking about his family's thoughts and opinions. \n\nLike that even has anything to do with what the man believed in anyway. I have plenty of shithead relatives.",
"It would be great if the ACLU actually stood up for Americans occasionally. Same with Sanctuary Cities, they are literally putting Mexicans' rights before American laws.",
"FWIW, I have no love for Trump, and it's SOLELY because of policy issues. He got us out of TPP (which was good), but then tried to fuck up health care (VERY BAD), succeeded in fucking up net neutrality (VERY BAD), there's the 'tax cut for the top 1%' tax bill (also bad), he stuck us further into Afghanistan (bad bad), and then there's all this babble about building a stupid wall (bad). \n\nSo please don't think me a Trump supporter. \n\nThis also isn't radical centerism. It's a desire to elevate the national discussion. I would like to see liberals and conservatives talking to each other rather than vilifying each other, because I think when you separate out a handful of wedge issues, there's an awful lot we can all agree on. For example, getting the money out of politics, and probably tackling climate change as well. \n\nBut I look at MLK- MLK led an effective movement because he made sure his followers took and kept the moral high ground. He told people to wear suits when marching at his rallies, to help improve their image. He told his followers not to engage in violence, because as soon as that happened it became easy to write them all off as thugs. And he worked to highlight and expose racist ideology for what it was. This worked very well. \n\nTherefore I think it's vitally important that in the process of fighting Trump, we don't accidentally become worse than Trump. Censorship, in any form, is not a tool we should use or want anything to do with. \n\nAnd people 'voicing their rage' should understand that being outraged does not by itself affect change. ACTION affects change. ",
"You guys all debating censorship and symbolism....maybe he just wants Trump to shut up so he can enjoy his birthday.....",
"College kids rioting with daddies money because somebody didnt refer to them as a demifluidhabfjevthpegasus is nowhere near comparable to mlk fighting for civil rights.",
"What’s he said hat is racist? Genuinely want to know!",
"> Principled opposition would complain about the 'shithole countries' comment not because it's 'racist' but because it's not befitting a head of state to refer to other countries that way.\n\nPrincipled opposition retaliates against the shithole countries commentary by pointing out that it's western imperialism that caused these countries to be this way.\n\nDecency politics is garbage and anti-imperialism is what MLK stood for.",
"MLK would have supported Trump ",
"Definitely wish these quality debates took place more in the public eye. I’ve seen what you’re talking about. You definitely have to try very very hard to be informed in a quality manner. By that I mean in a manner that isn’t just absorbing people’s opinions as if they were facts. Because what we have easy access to today—news organizations, fb posts, stuff like that—is riddled with bias. I prefer to avoid it all together.",
"I didnt say it doesnt exist on both sides, of course it exists on both sides. But the ratio of being called racist shit by democrats conpared to republicans in my experience is such a wide margin. Not denying your experience, just calling out the dicks of New York.",
"MLK's family loves Trump.",
"For me, it’s about how you interpret the painting. I don’t see it as MLK trying to silence or sensor Trump, but more like he is offering some advise. Not everything you think has to be immediately spewed onto social media. Sometimes leadership comes from the unspoken. Take the high road. ",
"If more people commented like you, reddit would be a much more productive platform. Thank you.",
"Nah, it's racist all right, in the same sense that saying \"Stay out of that part of town, it's a shithole and nobody good comes out of it\" is racist when you're talking about a part of town that's mostly black. But you didn't mention race! And you didn't say directly connect the residents' being black to their being no good! Doesn't matter, the problem is in the implied meaning and not the specific words that you used.\n\nThe direct quote: \"Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?\"\n\n\"Shithole\" is crass, but the real problem is the \"Why\". What he's implying is that the people coming out of these countries are worthless, and he has a problem with their being here. Incidentally, they're also mostly black. See the problem?",
"> SJW shame tactics\n\nthese words dont actually mean anything",
"But there is plenty of proof that he's racist, between public statements, 2nd hand anecdotes, the fact that the fucking Nixon justice department investigated him for not allowing black tenants in his buildings. The dude has a 30+ year history of being a piece of shit, but we should just assume that he means well when he spews racist shit? If you're still not sure what kind of dude he is you're either dyed in the wool for him, or kinda dumb.",
"I've only seen that being used as right wing straw man, and haven't seen any real life examples of that point. I'd love specifics. ",
"Sorry for triggering you, Trumpcuck. I forgot how sensitive you guys are :(",
"You can't show them that his ideas are wrong. You can't use reason to change an opinion that was not made through reason.",
"> racist piece of shit!\n\nYou're overlooking the fact that you still are going to need to provide some evidence of that",
"he's only following the president's example.",
"The artist depicts MLK covering Trump's mouth. Covering the mouth of another is involuntarily silencing them. Call that censorship or call it something else, the idea is still MLK preventing Trump from speaking. \n\nAs for me- I would call my response to the artist a disagreement with his message. I don't like what it says and I would prefer people not highlight this image, but he is welcome to paint it and encourage others to show it. \n\nThe real battle though is in the hearts and minds of the people who see the image and read my comment. \n\nBut I would never seek to erase this image from someone who wanted to use it. \n",
"I'm a published author on the Financial Crisis of 2008, so yeah I think I know what you're talking about. \"A crisis of that magnitude\" was a good excuse for the first four years of Obama's Presidency, but by the time he left office it had happened *almost a decade prior.* It's a weak excuse. Recessions last an average of about *18 months,* not *8 fucking years.* It was one of the weakest recoveries in American history. In fact, the middle class *never, in 8 years, recovered under Obama.* They were worse off in 2016 than they were in 2008. \n\nIt's a fucking disgrace. It was one of the worst economic periods in American history. The Federal Reserve did absolutely everything they could to \"stimulate\" the economy - printing funny money - and it did absolutely nothing. Obama ballooned the debt in a way that was frankly reckless and had absolutely nothing to show for it. It was way worse than just the economy though - he didn't even go for social justice issues like Marijuana or Judicial Reform. Awful. He accomplished nothing except for a highly controversial healthcare law that saw the average premium rise hundreds of percent for benefits that were WAY worse - my fucking deductible is $6,700. In 2008 it was $1500 *and* the network was better. This is true for literally everyone I know, except for gov't workers.\n\n>As for assassinating US citizens overseas without due process, like you give a crap. I'm pretty sure you only care about this when you need to find anti-Obama stuff.\n\nIn other words, \"yeah Obama did horrible things but I'm pretty sure *you're* a bad person too for disagreeing with me so your argument is invalid.\"",
"Another thing MLK said was that people get more upset about pointing out racism than by racism itself. Turns out that's still true. ",
"*projectile vomits* ",
"Not always, but often. The good news is that they operate whether or not we see them operating. I donate to the ACLU for just that reason.",
"Now it makes sense lol... probably is a cuck",
"Racial and economic issues are inseparable, especially in this country.\n\nMLK was a socialist and you can't take that away no matter how hard you try.",
"Because it's true and people are sick of criminals getting treated better because they're black.",
"We've *been* listening. And we've been hearing what he says. That's the problem. ",
"Shhhhhhhh! ",
"He fought for social change, but he never advocated violence like your comment suggests.",
"Sure they do, I went on to give you two examples in case you had trouble understanding.",
"People like Brody from the cheeto like to pretend that Trump is more popular than he is. Clearly they're wrong. Correcting things like saying Trump won the popular vote isn't moot. It's truth. ",
"No, it's not. You think that because you view anyone who oppose you as either T_D or 4chan.",
"Lmao you’re use of “fuck” isn’t impressing anyone you edgelord. ",
"Seems to me like you're making that out as a derogatory. So either you're a T_D brigadier or you're lying, which wouldn't be out of the ordinary for your kind.",
"Of course he's still the king of idiocracy.\n\nTrump isn't the problem. He just reflects the idiocy, anger, fear, and ignorance of at least 50 million American voters. If it wasn't Trump, some other bullshit spewing demagogue would be the king.\n",
"There are some people - and some entire tribes/cults - that you can't speak rationally with. They don't **want** to be rational. It's best not to engage with them.",
"The King Estate is a brand...they have made it a brand since his death. So, when she made these statements, she profited because it kept him relevant...and now, his kids continue to sully his reputation, such as forcing people to pay them to use his famous speech. So, if you think they aren't profiting from their dad's work, you are mistaken.",
"The problem is nobody hears about this. All we hear is \"shithole\", when we should be made aware of actually racist things he has said/done. That is why all this noise of \"blind opposition\" is a problem.",
"“What do you want?”\n“Norway”",
"Huh, it's almost as if the majority of people in the US didn't want Trump to be President, and the tide of public opinion is against him. Funny how that works...",
"Not all Africans are black. This isnt a race issue. This is an issue where we are letting in people nit based on merit. Also, Trump was not alledged to have said he didnt want anyone from these shithole countries. He asked why we are allowing SO MANY of them. If our immigration was merit based, as it should be, we would expect to to see a correlation between percentage of applications accepted and the shitholeness of the applicants home country.",
"So you're convicting someone of being a white supremacist based on a handful of circumstantial phrases over the course of his entire career? Lol",
"Launder... money... in Russia of all places. Because we all know russia is the real estate capital of the world, right? Maybe someone does need to shut up and learn. Maybe then you’ll have something logical to say then lol",
"Snowflake.",
"[The only reason MLK's values were far from Democrat values is because they were far to the left of the Democrats](https://www.huffingtonpost.com/obery-m-hendricks-jr-phd/the-uncompromising-anti-capitalism-of-martin-luther-king-jr_b_4629609.html).\n\nConservatives don't get to claim a Socialist. You cannot defang him.",
"This image just won Monday ",
"no they don't\n\nit's like a child calling someone a swear word\n\nlearn to talk like a grown up; you're embarrassing yourself",
"Seriously, fuck you.",
"A complete disgrace to MLK's image. On top of that, it looks like a 5th grader drew it. ",
"Oh I agree, but the association has stuck pretty well unfortunately and created a strawman for basement dwellers to make them feel good about themselves.",
"You have a different understanding of what the artist wanted to portray. A disagreement of the message. Now find a way to convey that to the artist in a painting, but don't show the artist not painting. Show the artist painting something else, and make it provoke emotion while you're doing it. And do it so that the artist at no point feels like you didn't want him to not paint that picture, because... that's censorship?",
"\"If you don't already know what I TOTALLY KNOW, and believe me you should trust me, then you're not worth educating\"\n\nBut what's the evidence?\n\n\"If you don't know then you don't need to know\"\n\nThat's not really how evidence works bud",
"I never said it wasn't the truth though. I'm not going to sit and here and say \"Nooo No, that's just false.\" ...I know he didn't win the popular vote. But when you consider who actually voted (right around *half* of eligible voters) Hillary winning 3 million more is *also* a moot point. Both candidates took home roughly 28% of the populations approval. \n\n.....not much when considering the other half either didn't vote or voted third party.",
"Of course you ignored my first fucking sentence. You are fake news.",
"Sure, whatever you say guys. Trump, racist bastard ... got it. Meanwhile, that racist bastard signed a proclamation that, for the first time in over a decade, King's actual birthday was designated a federal holiday. Moreover, Trump has also designated King’s birthplace, church, and tomb as a national historic park.\n\nKing was a great leader, but not a good man. He was a Communist and was funded by the American Communist Party, a serial adulterer, and plagiarized over 40% of the doctoral thesis. Despite these shortcomings, he inspired the nation and we overlook those things. But that doesn't give him the moral high ground to stifle the President, and he never would have done that. ",
"These are shame tactics unique to sjw's, what exactly should I call them so I can be considered a grown up by your grace?",
"> The party that hates white men\n\nPlease show me how this is true. Not just some dummy's tweet, but actual evidence that a majority of Democrats hate white men.\n\n\n> sick of criminals getting treated better because they're black.\n\nThere's no way you really believe that:\n\n[https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing](https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing)\n\n> Black male offenders continued to receive longer sentences than similarly situated White male offenders. **Black male offenders received sentences on average 19.1 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders** during the Post-Report period (fiscal years 2012-2016)",
"Jesus it’s a metaphor, stop being so literal. ",
"all his knowledge of MLK comes from that one boondocks episode where he rants about them all being N*****s so obviously that means MLK and trump would be best buds.",
"**You are literally the moderate MLK hated**.\n\nStop kowtowing to conservatives and stand for something. Grow a spine and support the downtrodden instead of trying to moderate towards conservatives.",
"I agree MLK jr. would not have been that rude or violent.",
"I don't think MLK would tell him to zip it because I just literally quoted MLK saying that exposing racism is the best way to fight it. Why would someone who wanted to expose racism try to tell a bad guy to be silent? \n\nAlso MLK did not lead 'riots'. He told his followers to wear suits to the marches and rallies, and to never ever engage in violence. \n\nI argue censorship because the image depects MLK holding his hand over Trump's mouth, a gesture that represents silencing another person. That is my problem with this image. If MLK's hand was not covering Trump's mouth but rather pointing to his ear (ie, 'listen!) I'd be all in favor. \n\nIf you want to argue that Trump is a racist incompetent troll, go for it- there's evidence behind all three accusations. That doesn't mean silencing him is something we should ever call for though. ",
"This is one of the dumbest comments I've ever read on this site and I once browsed r/pizzagate",
"If he's conservative, that's exactly true. Hell, even if he was black, they'd call him an uncle tom. There's literally no way not to be \"problematic\" unless you're a left-wing",
"HAHAHAHAHAHAHA \n \nYou can't debate against Trump! \n \nTry debating a goat, anyone dumb enough to support the goat will claim the random sounds it made totally beat you, and everyone else will look at you like an idiot for debating a goat.",
"And thanks for proving you have no argument.\n\nIt's obvious all your MLK knowledge comes from that rant on The Boondocks.",
"Hmm yes i guess so, with the context of the one who said this being Donald Trump you could certainly come to the conclusion that he said this due of his own racist world view. But on the other hand, think of a well developed nation with very well educated citizens, Norway might well be one of the first countries to come to your mind, now think of a place with lots of failed nations, low education, and so on, what come to your mind? Well a lot of places, and one is more or less Africa not counting a few nations that somewhat have their act together. All this without even an ounce of racism.",
"Calling a country a shithole is not racist on its own. Saying we shouldn’t allow anyone from that “shithole” into the country is racist. Saying that you wouldn’t want to live or visit a bad part of the city isn’t racist on its own (usually). Saying you wouldn’t hire or associate with anyone from that majority black part of the city is racist.",
"It's a nice sentiment -- as well as a very well-crafted poem -- and one I personally support, but it wasn't an official stance and certainly not a popular one. Most immigrants were treated far, far worse then than they are now and people whined about immigrants stealing jobs then as much as now.",
"MLK, like many heroes now passed, was a perfect human being with absolutely no flaws. He stood for goodness in every form and can do no wrong.....\n\nBut seriously, I think MLK was a great man. All of these comments saying he would’ve been opposed to silence makes me cringe just as much. Who knows what MLK would do/say if he were alive now? I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d tell Trump to stfu over Twitter.\n\nReminds me of white people when they say that MLK stood for equality for everyone, regardless of race. While that is true, MLK most definitely also stood for the equality of blacks in America specifically and harshly criticized white people. But every time MLK day rolls around, hoards of people, white people being the worst offenders, deify him as a defender of whatever belief they personally have. Wypipo...why y’all have to try to claim everything as yours? Stahp.",
"Based on the King's voting record, I'd counter your claim and say he would much agree with President Trump rather than what you say. Just knowing the history of Martin King, one can not assume he would be against our President.",
"> The point being no positive change in society has been brought about without \"undesirable\" behaviour. \n\nIt does not follow that therefore all uncivilized behaviour brings about positive change. Burning down your neighborhood because a criminal was shot while trying to kill a police officer is not an expression of legitimate grievance.\nAlso, I think you just called black people *undsirables*, if we are going by your earlier \"logic.\" Unless of course you want to admit that you're wrong and apologize to the guy you called a racist white supremacists.\n\n>Call it a stretch if you want\n\nStretch.",
"But you're talking about people who looked at the inauguration and actually believe it was the most populated on in all of history. Believe them. They're nuts. ",
"If you take this art literally then yes you would be correct. \n\nMillennia of artwork would suggest that symbolism or hyperbole is used at times. ",
"Google, facebook, and Twitter have been banning people for \"hate speech\" for months. Someone selling \"Hillary for Prison\" shirts on facebook was banned for \"hate speech\". Twitter has banned Julian Assange's facebook multiple times for \"hate speech\" as well all while people screaming \"a white genocide needs to happen\" are having absolutely no consequences to their account. Someone even made an account where they tweeted exactly the same tweets as Leslie Jones but replaced \"white\" with \"black\" (nothing else was changed) and the account was banned before you can say 'hypocrite'. Not saying *that* ban was wrong but the left have gone completely insane in terms of censorship and identity politics.",
"HPpy cake day!",
">So either you're a T_D brigadier or you're lying\n\nhaha, neither\n\n>which wouldn't be out of the ordinary for your kind\n\nbut it sure was easy to trigger you, all it took is to call you a democrat LOL, looks like you are ashamed",
"Im sorry you have trouble with basic ideas like logic. If you were to say trump is a good businessperson, and I said I dont believe you, what are the logical reasons why I might not agree?",
"This is a painting. It's art. The person that made this was really good at depicting images. He's not out to write what Martin Luther King Jr. would have said because this person is a painter, not a writer. Not only that, but if he depicted MLK talking to Trump, it wouldn't have the same impact, and would probably be boring to look at.\n\nBased off what we already know about MLK, we can assume that the gesture of putting his hand over Trumps mouth is silencing him, BUT IN A WAY THAT MLK, would have done it, which would be through critique, written or orated, and hopefully, Trump would take to heart what Martin Luther King said and stop spouting inflammatory remarks. This is further emphasized by the fact that in this picture, Trump has twitter open. Last I checked, people don't communicate through twitter with their mouths, but through text. Putting your hand over someones's mouth isn't silencing them if they never intended to say anything with their mouths to begin with. The idea that Donald is taking this to heart, can be seen in Donald's expression. Particularly in his expressionless eyebrows. They're neutral because Trump isn't depicted as being angry here, but focused, like he's genuinely understanding what Martin Luther King is telling him. \n\n> I say silenced because of the symbolism. Putting your hand over the mouth of another person symbolically represents preventing them from speaking.\n\nYou're not thinking of this symbolically, you're thinking about it literally. Putting your hands over someone's mouth as they're speaking or about to speak is literally silencing them. Not symbolically. Again, like I said before, Trump never intended to use his mouth in this picture. So I think you're not understanding the nature of the situation. Like I said, this is art. You can interpret it any way that you would like. I think that you have interpreted it too literally but of course, you have the freedom to think and say what ever you would like. \n\nWith all of that said, I have another interpretation. I don't know anything about when this picture was made, but I'm going to assume that it was made for MLK day. A day where Dr. King's message of acceptance, tolerance and love is thrown around constantly in memory of what he did for our country. Trump actually being silent today, not silenced by a person, but silent for the occasion would give him some time to sit, listen, and compartmentalize the lessons that Dr. King left us with. Some lessons that Trump may need to learn himself.\n\n**Edit:**\n\nOkay so someone already explained this.\n> 13RamosJ\n\n> I think it's more metaphorical. Im sure he would never physically or orally demand censorship by any means. I feel as if discussion and debate between the two could potentially lead to an end or \"silence\" of futile Trump tweets.\n> \n> SirEDCaLot\n> \n> I dunno, I think that's a real stretch.\n> \n> I think a metaphorical debate wouldn't end with silence of Trump, but rather with nobody following him anymore. Because that's when an idea or ideology is dead- not when people stop expressing it, but when people stop believing in it.\n\nI'm going to focus on this:\n> I think it's more metaphorical. Im sure he would never physically or orally demand censorship by any means.\n\nWhat I think is important is that it's not a stretch to assume that this is metaphorical.\n\n> I think a metaphorical debate wouldn't end with silence of Trump, but rather with nobody following him anymore. Because that's when an idea or ideology is dead- not when people stop expressing it, but when people stop believing in it.\n\nThe result of the metaphor being applied doesn't break the metaphor, not only that but metaphors aren't meant to be applied literally. The idea's that Trump puts out are not important to this piece. The important part is that **he says them to begin with.** It's about Trump listening to Dr. King's message, and understanding how he doesn't match Dr. Kings message with his tweets (not that he should or has to, but Dr. Kings messages are generally agreeable). **This is about Trump listening to Dr. King's message and making a change in his own character**, whether or not people follow his transition is irrelevant and doesn't break the metaphor.\n\nBut again, interpret it how you like. This is mine.\n",
"Now who's assuming? I think that because that's where the label is most commonly used nowadays.",
"Just as nuts as those who believe this piece of \"art\" is powerful. ",
"ITT affluent white boys telling you how MLK would have *really* felt",
"Lol body shaming? Cry more.",
"In the art piece, MLK has his hands over Trump and forcing him to be quite. That is an insult to everything MLK stood for. That is what is happening and no amount of \"interpretation\" is going to change the actually image. \n\n",
"Yeah, I see the problem. You're finding racism exactly where you're looking for it.",
"> I think the comment you are replying to, unintentionally or not, stinks of \"whataboutism\".\n\nThen you haven't really comprehended it.\n\n> There are factual reasons to oppose Trumps election and I think that a lot of the opposition is based on that unlike what the person you are replying to is saying.\n\nShe never said this. She said there was both blind opposition and principled opposition, and then went on to describe problems with blind opposition.",
"Your ignorant analysis ignores reality. This is a still image symbol. You grasp at assumptions that MLK already having prevented someone from speaking, would not just simply take a step forward as the person he is silencing is stepping backwards. Every one of your claims is about something that is not in the photo at all; \"he could just step back\" but thats not what the image is of, \"He's just getting his attention\" he is preventing someone from speaking, \"censoring someone would require preventing them from speaking\" yes exactly you're right and he is he is covering someone elses mouth preventing their speech. \n",
"Is this even trolling? Pathetic",
"There's absolutely *nothing* racist about calling Africa a shithole. Unless of course you are using a different definition of racism than what i was taught in school.",
"It was in context of people immigrating from those countries to the US. It was bad because the people are from those countries. Which means he thinks the people are bad because of where they're from. Considering he mentiones Africa in its entirety, that makes the racism fairly obvious no?",
"All y'all are annoying. Left, right, doesn't matter.\n\n",
"Muhammad was a rapist and pedophile. You might think it’s a mean thing to say but it’s not debatable it is historical fact",
"The left is not against free speech....nobody on the left is trying to pass federal law against saying racist shit. The left's movement against hate speech etc. is a cultural one. ",
"Go back to that shithole sub r/the_retard",
"Nothing is a problem unless you make it a problem. What have you been listening to? And what have you been tuning out?",
"I completely agree. It’s the snowflake generation that believes “if you don’t think like me, you must be silenced.” Absolutely the opposite of what Martin luthier King believed. ",
"Why is Michael Moore cosplaying as Trump supporter?",
"Just one of many. I'd believe him over Trump any day. Birther trump.\n\nHere's a list of lies by Trump:\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html\n",
"Facts are facts. Look at his actions. Yes, if you ignore ALL the evidence that shows his racism, you will come to a different conclusion. I believe I covered that when I said ignorance or only tuned in to right wing propaganda. Btw, you havent said any argument that proves he isnt or explains away accusations he is. But hey, being snarky with no substance SURE DOES make a compelling argument, doesnt it? Is that trolling?",
"This isn't anti-free speech, it's an educational piece showing how not to be a dick. ",
"Also racism was par for course for the US until the fucking 60s. ",
"And, I think even speculating like that is a little disrespectful. Look at what politicians do and see if it solidly and verifiably contradicts a dead person's philosophy. You may find that Trump says things very at odds with Dr King's philosophy, but if we're being honest, so does the identitarian ideas of the far left. So, if you're going to be speculating on dead men's opinions, at least be intellectually honest about it.",
"When you tell a journalist \"don't publish that or else\", that's censorship. When you tell your 4-year old \"shut up and listen to me\", that's parenting.",
"Yes.Past and Present my friend.",
"Plus, trump still has his phone, you can still tweet with your mouth covered. Whole thing seems to miss the mark",
"Ignorant segregationist left wing identity politics spit right on the grave of this great man.\n\"Everyone outside your race/gender/class is working against you, they are your enemies! You must not fraternize! Dont judge them as individuals, their group is evil!\" This is the function of the bullshit I see from crazed SJWs on the daily.\n",
"Is there a problem with the analogy? You repeated it and then name-called. Not the most reasoned argument. But hey, it sure made you feel intellectually superior like you actually accomplished something, didnt it?",
"No need to put art in scare quotes. Art speaks to people differently. ",
"Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't things posted by people?As in regular users of Reddit? Or are you under the impression that there is a small group of people posting all of the stuff in each of these subreddits?\n\nYou are correct that there is a lot of anti to Trump stuff posted. But I think it would be kind of obvious that there are a lot of people who are anti Trump. I would think even his most ardent supporters would understand this.\n\n\n",
"Looks like a sexual assault about to happen?",
"> You grasp at assumptions that MLK already having prevented someone from speaking, would not just simply take a step forward as the person he is silencing is stepping backwards.\n\n\"You aren't making assumptions outside what the image displays so you're grasping at assumptions.\" \n\nReal thinker there!\n\n\n>he is preventing someone from speak\n\nPlace your own hand over your mouth. This does not prevent you from speaking. You can still speak quite easily, it's just muffled. You are choosing to interpret it as censorship.\n\nYour entire comment is circular reasoning, and you've already made it apparent from several comments you don't intend to do anything other than repeat your assertion without listening.\n\nGood day.",
"Not that it's hard to understand, the point is that it should be changed. That's why we keep banging on about it, I've been banging that gong ever since I learned that shit when I was in high school 15 years ago, only now are people realizing this system is fucked and needs to change. It doesn't give power to the people, or even the states, all it gives power to are the two major parties that are dominant at the time at the cost of the citizens.",
"But it is okay to be white ",
"I know, reading these comments is frustrating. Pretty much every time I’ve heard white people talk about MLK, I want to cringe until my face implodes. ",
"So basically Facebook and Twitter are the left now? ",
"Let me know when you actually condemn Trump, Gorka, Miller, and their tiki torch followers. ",
"Or drawn so poorly. ",
"They were both smart. They just had different attitudes.\n\nMalcolm X was 'woke' as the kids put it. [He knew what was going on.](https://youtu.be/T3PaqxblOx0)\n\nBut, he was also a racist asshole.\n\nMLK was smart too. He also had a better attitude towards integration and people getting along.\n",
"Those are private companies, not the left.",
"It's still par for the course today. Humans love to group people in singular groups and they love to hate people that are different. I wasn't talking US though. Churchill didn't even get along with a lot of his own party and was anti-Christian (and anti-Islam) in a time when everyone identified as Christian. He was also a hero and exactly what the UK needed to win the war.",
"Laughing at all the Trumpers flooding in to defend Dear Leader.",
"Is this Downtown San Jose, CA? Right in front of Phil'z Coffee?",
"I see this as gesture of \"think about what you are saying for a second\" rather than censoring. ",
"Oh yeah, I thought it was free to assume in this thread since you were doing it.\n\nAs someone who regularly visits both these places as well as their polar opposite equivalents I'd say the place I see it used most is still within the Skeptic™ community.",
"MLK debating Trump.. that would be a verbal shit-kicking.. reason vs sensationalism... trump can't even put a meaningful, grammatically correct sentence together lol",
"I think this pic is amazing! \n\nEvery time I see this I get this picture in my head of MLK standing with Trump when he hears something that gets him all riled up. And right as he's about to make a needless and poorly stated comment, MLK takes the action depicted and just counsels him to calm down and think before he says something that might unduly hurt someone.\n\nI think Trump could be an effective figure if he just took a breath every once and while before popping off with some dumbshit that doesn't need to be said. \n\nI voted for Trump and wish we had more people GENUINELY like MLK.\n\n",
"upvoted",
"You keep saying one thing, but not rebutting with what something actually is. You said speech is not a right. I agreed and went further and said it is a freedom. In the picture MLK isn’t censoring him. I agreed and went further to say he is actually silencing him.\n\nIf you think nothing here as anything to do with the first amendment, you are just blind. The freedom of speech is not allowed to be restricted by the government, *but that doesn’t mean* individuals are *allowed* to do it. That’s the connection I made that you missed. \n\nMLK protested peacefully; a lot of what he did was acceptable under the constitution. He did not invade people’s personal space and suppress their voice. That’s what the police did.\n\nMLK strived to let all voices be heard. To say he would silence someone is contradictory to what he fought for and definitely an insult to the civil rights movement.",
"Just because a majority of the population of a shitty area is a specific race doesn't make calling that area shitty racist. \n\nThat area is shitty because it has shitty culture and economy that stifles escapes and betterment. It's not like the single mother of 5 bastard children who lives with her aunt while working three jobs to keep everyone fed has time to make sure her kids aren't making the same mistakes that she made that put her in such an awful place. \n\nIt's not racist to call a shitty area shitty. Calling a spade a spade is not racist. What makes it racist is when you assume that because I used \"spade\" I must be referring to black people because spades are black. You are making a comment about race when it had nothing to do with race to begin with. \n\nThat all being said, I think what trump said is incredibly un-presidential. He's not wrong, just an asshole. ",
"I would LOVE to see that :D",
"\"[the] great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is ... the white moderate who is more devoted to \"order\" than to justice ... who constantly says \"I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action,” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a \"more convenient season.”\"\n\nIt's telling that modern liberals/Democrats are lauded for their \"moderatism\". That paternalism -- almost mockingly so -- was evident during the last election where you'd see a lot of Democrats saying, \"Oh, honey. We know this is your first election, but the country isn't ready for Bernie Sanders's 'socialism'.\" Fuck liberals and their self-righteous moderatism. ",
"That's not what I'm talking about though. The vast majority of people who are saying \"both parties are corrupt\" are following it up with \"so there's nothing we can do about it.\" Remember nearly half of the people in the US don't vote and *this* is probably why. I agree with your point; that's what I want is for people to vote for politicians who will represent their will and their goals. Still there this nihilistic viewpoint needs to be overcome and constantly acting like there are no examples of good stewardship in government and never will be is useless.",
"Martin Luther was a mental slave still.\nMalcolm X was NOT.\nMuhammad Ali was NOT.\nThey Know. U dont know. ",
"The accused was caught with the knife that killed the woman, he had made several comments about wanting to kill the woman, he has a history of killing women, he has repeatedly lied about instances where he was with the woman, his fingerprints was found on the knife, the knife has his initials on it, there is a purchase receipt of the knife made by his credit card, there is a video of him knifing a blowup doll dressed up in the same hair color wig and dress as the woman, there is a video of him stating he plans to kill this woman on this date, and there are witnesses that say they saw him kill the woman. But he denies killing the woman.\n\nRepublicans : SEE HE DIDNT KILL THE WOMAN THERE IS NO EVIDENCE!!!!",
"Was I assuming? I was pointing out it was a safe assumption, not assuming myself. That may be your impression, mine is of the opposite.",
"Check his history moron. He's a T_D degenerate.",
"You are off the normal talking points of collusion and hacking the ballet boxes that aren’t connected to the net.\n\nLook at the real money exchange from Hilary and the DNC and FusionGPS for a fake document :) you can’t deny that now",
"This sub is so cringeworthy.who even posts this shit?50 year old women?",
"Yes, and MLK was a socialist, so you're calling him a retard. Also for someone tossing around the label \"retard,\" you sure aren't looking so hot yourself saying that socialism doesn't work. \n\nOne of the first MLK quotes I found in a few seconds of googling:\n\n\"In both Norway and Sweden, whose economies are literally dwarfed by the size of our affluence and the extent of our technology, they have no unemployment and no slums,\" King said. \"There, men, women and children have long enjoyed free medical care and quality education. This contrast to the limited, halting steps taken by our rich nation deeply troubled me.\"\n\nSo tell me why it works in Norway and Sweden hmmmmm",
"Are you for real right now? \n\nPretend for a second you're not talking to a fellow voter. You're talking to a foreign citizen of a country that has media. Now, would you like to keep doing this song and dance, or would you like to go through the 14 months of publically verifiable events and tell me how they've all been misreported?",
"Why should it be changed? Because then you would've gotten your way? Sorry, that's not a legit reason. \n\nAlso, switching to a majority national vote wouldn't do anything against the duopoly, to tackle that problem you need to get rid of FPTP.",
"You missed the irony.",
"The way I interpreted it is that Trump should not attack the day, and let it be celebrated. ",
">Shhhh, your understanding of the English language is going to make you look Russian\n\nOh? Do you even speak a second language like Russian? \n\nPriviledged straight white male leftist who can't even point out where each Oblast/Krai is on a world map, you really believe you are nuanced to criticize others about Russian facts? ",
"It's all just fake news",
"He looks shocked at how short his arm is",
"The journalist is trying to expose something. The 4 year old is screaming because they want another popsicle at 9pm. The journalist is a legal adult who understands the consequences of what they write. The 4 year old is not only a minor, but a young child who will throw tantrums until they get their popsicle. \n\nIf you hold your hand over another adult's mouth, that is preventing them from speaking, aka censorship. ",
"There are a lot of shitholes in the world. But even if you remove the probable racism, there's still the fact that the attitude of the person speaking it is not what you want in your president. Plus, congrats, way to alienate all the people in and governments of those shitholes. One of the president's biggest jobs is being the ultimate diplomat, and he just failed spectacularly there.",
"If you want indigestion sort this thread by controversial.\n\nElse, turn away now.",
"MLK fought with his words not his fists. ",
"> fuck fucking fucking fucking",
"Seriously. This post has a lot of questionable comments being upvoted",
"> judging those by their character and not their skin has completely shifted to ideals of the right \n\nlmao",
"This is a bot because he has copypasted this same thing multiple times here. Ignore",
"Plus Trump's head is going into the brim of his hat. How does that even work? ",
"To be fair, you’re comment was identical to someone trying to sugar coat a turd...",
"I didnt say just believe me, I said the evidence is there. Go look it up. Just get off your physically and intellectually lazy ass and google it. But you dont want to because you dont want to see it, you just want to dig in your heels and argue youre right. Someone who says something doesnt exist without making ANY effort to actually go see if it does is not how evidence works either....bud.\n\nFor the lazy and those in denial, HERE IS A START: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html\n\n\"Theres a lot of evidence to the contrary\" (provides NO evidence). Good job, \"bud\"",
"You are reading a political stance where there is none. \n\nI am not a big fan of Trump. And I agree with you that MLK would most likely be against identity politics, and would have a big problem with a lot of the hyper liberal ideas (ie that white people commit 'microaggressions' against blacks). I think he would tell the black people to stop being butthurt and focus on succeeding in their lives rather than what insults come from white men. \n\nMy only point here is that I'm pretty sure MLK wouldn't want to silence Trump, and thus portraying him as doing so is misrepresenting what he stood for. That's it, that's all, no liberal or conservative slant intended. ",
"1 cry = 1 vote! Match me!",
"> The fact you try to pin it down to a single event shows some serious ignorance of the broader context. It's what people would call \"the straw that broke the camels back\". \n\nSingle event? \n\n>Do you not understand facetious quotation marks or something? \n\nDo they allow you to say something without being held accountable? Or do you not think that such behaviour is undesirable?\n\n>Pretty sure I didn't do that?\n\nBut you aren't, are you? Hence the question mark.\n\n>Fine, hold black people to a higher standard. \n\nThan you? Yes. \n\n",
"MLK's niece would like a word with you",
"You mean his cabinet picks have more wealth than the poorest third of households... $9.5 billion is nowhere near 1/3 of the total wealth in America ",
"Politics? In my art?!?!\n\nArt is very often political. It's not just pictures of pretty women and flowers. ",
"Muh white oppression. ",
"Even when there is evidence that u/Spez changed and altered comments? ",
"What part of \"Haitians all have aids\" isn't racist?",
"> Now, I’m pretty sure the majority of the Norway population is Caucasian.\n\nDo you think the only difference between Norway and Haiti is the skin color of their people? Honestly, the anti-trump crowd are pretty racist themselves IMO, but not necessarily in a discriminatory way. Anything that trump says or does, you find a way to inject race into it. The muslim ban is another great example. You had people saying \"the **muslim** ban was racist\", as if islam was a race and not a toxic ideology. \n\nAnd it's always the same response from his detractors: \"yeah but we all know what he *really* means\". Yeah, you're \"woke af\" and can \"read between the lines\", and it just so happens that everything trump says is always tied to race, right?\n\nDisclaimer: I'm not white. I didn't vote for Trump. I'm not American.",
"So fucking what if he posts in T_D? Seriously, so fucking what?",
"[How fucking stupid are you?](https://www.theroot.com/study-shows-that-black-men-serve-longer-prison-sentence-1820550848)",
"I'm talking about all of this in the hypothetical sense since there's still zero proof that he made the comment. \n\nRegardless, people seem to not be understanding that he mentioned nothing about their race or skin color. People are FINDING racism because they're LOOKING FOR IT. \n\nFact is that many of the countries in Africa are shitholes. Whether or not he should be saying so is a different story... but the point is that he's under the (incorrect) assumption that these underdeveloped and undeveloped countries are full of people who are essentially of little to no blatantly apparent economic or financial benefit or value to the United States. The whole point of Trump's proposed immigration reform is a merit-based system, which is fine. If I'm not mistaken, Canada and Australia both have merit-based immigration systems. While he's a total jackass for not realizing that not every African country is in the same economic or societal state, I think it's ridiculous to immediately say \"THAT'S BECAUSE HE'S A RACIST BECAUSE A LOT OF BLACK PEOPLE LIVE THERE SO THAT'S WHY HE SAID IT!!!\"",
"Ha! I checked your history, and because you have views I disagree with anything you say is wrong and you're a bad person!\n\nTake that stupid Trumpster!",
"What he thinks is not relevant. What is important is what is codified in LAW. His powers are limited.",
"I would hate to see that. Trump doesn't debate he just rambles nonsense off topic and lowers the tone of whatever the conversation was. You can't \"beat\" him in debate like you can with someone who's at least trying to have the pretence of reason.\n\nMLK would be smart enough to not get baited but you wouldn't get anything more than you would if you just took a TV playing an MLK speech, a tv displaying a Trump speech and played them side by side simultaniously.",
"You mean quotations because yes, aren't is subjective. Hence, the quotations. Not everyone is going to look at this and think art. ",
"¯\\\\\\_(ツ)\\_/¯ I guess you must just be autistic then if your social skills are that bad you think I'm ashamed or triggered about you mentioning I'm a Democrat. ",
"Ehh, I think you should reread your comment lol..",
"African American unemployment rate is at an all time low. ",
"It’s his cousin",
"> \"Seems apropos to me. Something something virtue signaling, something something liberal derangement syndrome. 4D Chess.\" -- T_D\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law\n\nOr is this conservative art illustrating their view of being censored by hypocritically summoned ghosts of the past? That the idea of MLK, not MLK's ideals, are being used to censor them. By being labeled racists they aren't permitted to even begin to speak. An abuse of the very idea of MLK like you said.\n\nI had the same issue with the \"Love Trumps Hate\" slogan. WFT you put your opponents name in an ambiguous slogan!? Who even decided that? Was their irony sensor broken that day or are they always that obtuse?",
"This is why everyone is afraid of Trump. It's not because he thinks differently than any other politician, it's because he says whatever is on his mind. He has zero filter and people hate him for it. They all want to live in Disneyland. ",
"Oh so you don't pay attention at all? Got it. There's no point in arguing with you if you ignore news as much as you have since early 2016.",
"He's a modern day Nazi & should be shunned.",
"Hahah triggered a it you bitch?",
"“It’s right behind me isn’t it?”",
"I understand your point but missing the fact that racism is often encoded this way. ",
"> If you think nothing here as anything to do with the first amendment, you are just blind. The freedom of speech is not allowed to be restricted by the government, but that doesn’t mean individuals are allowed to do it. That’s the connection I made that you missed. \n\nIt doesn't mean that individuals *aren't* allowed to do it either. It doesn't mean... anything at all, either way. Insult me all you want, the topic at hand has absolutely, positively nothing at all to do with the first amendment. At all. Nada. Zip. Nothing.\n\n>MLK protested peacefully; a lot of what he did was acceptable under the constitution.\n\nAnd covering someone's mouth is acceptable under the constitution. And MLK also broke plenty of laws in his movement, the fact that the things he was doing were illegal in the first place was often the focus of the protest.\n\n>MLK strived to let all voices be heard. To say he would silence someone is contradictory to what he fought for and definitely an insult to the civil rights movement.\n\nIf you want to wildly misinterpret what's being shown in this artwork and build some off-kilter narrative, I guess.",
"You can't win something that's not a competition. Hillary \"won\" the popular vote, what did she get? Nothing. Popular vote is merely a statistic. Not how it works hahaha.",
"The cringe that oozes from all these braindead liberals Makes My fucking head hurt.",
"Aww, I like you, you Miserable Fuck!",
"Thank you for this correction. Still awful.",
"I don't know who that is and I don't know about this evidence. Essentially when you make a statement like that it's just you saying it. ",
"If you post on T_D you're an automatic degenerate, no discussion here. ",
"This photo is dumb",
"For Trump this comes from a very long line of VERY racist shit he's said.\n\nAll Haitians have AIDS? Nigerians live in huts? etc. etc. etc.",
"He knows that covering his mouth won't stop him from typing right? I mean I know smart phones were after MLK's time but he was a smart man and I'd assume his weird zombie depiction here would be able to work that out. Either way I doubt he'd be in favour of silencing anyone, no matter how silly they are.",
"You forgot he hated Indians too",
"I thought hasty generalization and bigotry was a bad thing",
"I was going to say - there's clearly no point continuing with him.",
"Look up fusion gps and who paid them for the documents about golden showers. Teach yourself something ",
"he's a trumpster. He's not going to read facts from the NYT.",
"Reddit does",
"Calling the countries shitholes isn't the problem though. To use /u/trambelus's example \n\n>\"Stay out of that part of town, it's a shithole and nobody good comes out of it\"\n\nThe shithole part isn't the bad part, the nobody good comes out of it, is.",
"[No, it isn't.](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5frg1n/tifu_by_editing_some_comments_and_creating_an/)\n\nu/Spez is Steve Huffman who is part of the CEO of Reddit. \n\nEdit: http://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-modifies-donald-trump-the-donald-2016-11\n\nhttps://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/11/30/reddit-ceo-apologizes-altering-trump-thread-comments/94686858/",
"Lindsey Graham is a such a r.i.n.o. he should be a Spiderman villain, \n\nI wouldn't believe anything he said without independent video proof. He's still salty from the primaries.",
"No. You're closer to the nazi mindset than he is. Much closer in fact.",
"Eh. I made the effort. He might accidentally click on it.",
"I'm not trying to start a he said she said argument but I'd say the left started the reign on free speech. Look at how college campuses are, a suffering fest and only those who are a minority can speak about suffering. They shutdown opposing speakers from coming to campus. The left has basically Eaten themselves by their own methods. Like it's noble of them to be fighting fascism and racism but when something they disagree with isn't racist or fascist, it's the first thing they call it. ",
"Kinda fucking odd when MLK niece agrees and sides with Trump on most cases, and just recently called out anyone who said Trump was racist. \n\n It that does matter right, only would if she was vocally anti-Trump and by extension, anti-American.",
"I'm sure MLK is VERY disappointed in trump and how the unemployment rate for black Americans is the lowest in 20 years. ",
"I understand what you are trying to say as well and I agree to a point. \n\nI think that it is very rude and potentially racist to assume that a comment \"like that\" is racist. \n\n\"You don't want to go to that part of town...\" \n\nThere are nearly infinite reasons as to why someone thinks a certain part of town is a no-fly-zone. If someone says, \"You don't want to go to that part of town because there is a lot of crime there,\" that isn't racist. Just because someone is black or white doesn't make them inherently more likely to become a criminal. It's their upbringing, culture, mental health and economic status. \n\nIf you read that comment as racist you are assuming that I mean that black people commit more crime. Not my point. My point is that it's a dangerous part of town and you should be safe. IDGAF about race. ",
"What part of saying 'Trumpcuck' over and over is rational discourse? If your aim is to annoy insult or injure then you are moving yourself and your opponents away from the rational into the reactionary, the reductive.\n\nIf your response to that is to claim it's exactly as they would do then you are playing into what you were warned against above, lowering yourself to the means of your detractors. Defending your use of an epithet relies on whataboutism.\n\nThat tool of obfuscation is less effective when you aren't tempted into using it yourself.\n\nTo the greater theme here, what people are saying about discourse like yours and the above going against the m.o. of MLK, you cannot lead any to the light by shutting them in the dark.\n\nAll the best.",
"This is garbage",
"Plus it's always nice for other people reading the convo. TBH I just wanted to jab at the idiot.",
"you clearly are triggered, since you are working pretty hard trying to insult me for the sole reason of calling you a democrat",
"In all honesty you'd have to really be looking at this through a bias and agenda to say it's not art. ",
"You’re really trying to sugar coat a turd as well (turd being his comments on gays and shrinks). Is it just not possible for you to say “hey, you know what, this isn’t something I can spin so I’m going to either...a)say you’re right and move on or b) I’m just going to shaddap.”",
"**A riot is the language of the unheard.** - MLK jr, March 14th 1968\n\n\"Silence\" is not the point - *Rejection* is the point. Telling racist assholes to shut the fuck up is not \"infringing on their speech\" - it's *accountability* for their speech. And this truism can be carried over to all the other instances of bigotry-apologism in recent history.",
"A civil rights activist who fought for free speech, is seen here silencing free speech. MLK would not like this. ",
"And in MLK’s lifetime, who were these people? Who did he chose to ignore? He even took on Holocaust deniers, a group that most civil rights activists chose/choose to ignore. ",
"> It would be great if the ACLU actually stood up for Americans occasionally.\n\nLol what? They do that all the time.",
"Everything is riddled with bias. I just actively seek out the best and the brightest, and I enjoy sporting their biases.\n\nThe media gives people what they want. People *want* soundbite news. It's not what's best for them, but it is the free market in action. Like McDonalds. ",
"Um, no, one does not. That's your opinion. \n\nSee this thread...I'm not the only one. ",
"Jesus fucking Christ I laughed out loud when I read this because of how absolutely ridiculous you people are.",
"I agree. Good point. And kudos on the username too. ",
"Literally swarming, lol",
">because I wouldn't have gotten my way\n\nThen why would I have been banging on about this for so long? Way to make assumptions there, jackass.\n\nAnd yes, FPTP does need to get the fuck out of here as well, but sweeping voting reform all at once will only confuse people, you need to do it in steps. Getting rid of the electoral college will at least put more power in the hands of the people instead of anonymous party insiders who don't even have to vote like they said they were going to.",
"“All we are saying, is give peace and quiet a chance”",
"Hillary accumulated more overall votes than Trump. You can take that however you like and contort it in whatever way makes you feel better. But the fact remains more individuals voted for her. hahaha.",
"That's just plain obvious and i would never argue against that, Trump really seems to be wasting his opportunity to affect the world, well, at all since nobody seems to want to co-operate with him and the president alone does not have all that much power, such a shame, i somewhat wish i were in his shoes but i'm not sure if i would trade my wonderful youth and my healthy and strong body for even the presidency of the USA and whatever power it brings along.",
"More than one person can be wrong. What is art? ",
"Look, I get that you have your take and I have mine. But can't we talk it out instead of hurling out accusations of bias, and then not explaining them?",
"That's not a single event. That happens quite often. \n\n>It's reductionist. \n\nExpanding the scope won't do BLM any favors. \n\n>I mean they kinda show that I don't mean them literally and am using them for emphasis.\n\nSo how would you describe it? Remember, you must use words that won't allow someone to construe them as racist.\n\n>Is all you have against me that I'm facetious? \n\nThat's about the only thing I like about you. My problem is that try to paint other people as bad and then try to weasel your way out of it when someone mentions it. \n\n>And you're already holding me to a very high standard.\n\nI am sorry to hear that.\n\n>I can't even use sarcasm. \n\nThat is not my fault though.\n\n>Well that ends that conversation I guess. Congrats on outing yourself as a bit racist i guess.\n\nFull fucking circle.\n\n\n\n\n",
"What do u mean u enjoy sporting their biases? I seek out the best and brightest, but then I try sift through the bias and arrive at something I can make my own conclusion on",
"Thank you, felt like I was taking crazy pills. It's not a stretch to think MLK would have vehemently opposed Trump. ",
"How predictable...another person basically telling minorities to shut up and listen to what you tell them is important.\n\nSorry bud...I know you want to co-opt MLKs reputation for your own personal priorities, but this is just nonsense and shows how little you care about the rights and welfare of minorities. ",
"Context being that the rest of the civilized world have decided that the land was Isreali and the arab communities threw a fit about only owning 95% of the ME and not 100% and got spanked. \nYou are seriously coming out in support of using civilian as shields ? Really that the position you wanna go with ? \nYes gracious when they could just as easily say get the fuck out to any one of the neighboring arab countries. Their country, they absolutley have the right to scrutinize citizens\n",
"Your examples are all from twitter and facebook so what am I not paying attention to? Stories from fox news?",
"You don’t use your mouth to tweet and the artist depicts Trump on Twitter on his phone, to me it’s not censorship, it’s just a suggestion. \n\nI still don’t agree with how MLK is being used here, the covering of the mouth is too aggressive a gesture, but I am not sure if it’s necessarily censorship being depicted. ",
"Silencing the opposition, what a democratic and peaceful way ",
"Yeah...that is absolutely not what sanctuary cities are doing. Nice try though. \n\nBTW, the biggest barrier to deporting criminals is not sanctuary cities. The biggest barrier exists at the federal level, where multiple administrations have failed to negotiate deportation agreements with other counties. We can’t deport anyone unless another country is willing to take them. A handful of countries won’t take back their own citizens who will otherwise be deported from the US. And more than 50 countries won’t take back their own citizens if they have committed a crime in the US. \n\nBut sure, let’s blame sanctuary cities. ",
"Lol @Trump being an adult",
"That’s inspiring, I’m inspired ",
"Fair.",
"With art, no one is right. That's my entire point. It is in the eye of the beholder or *subjective* to each person to determine whether or not a piece of art is \"art\". Just because you agree with it doesn't make me wrong to think it isn't. It's my *opinion*. It's not a fact. ",
"I really don't care. Nobody does. It's just unsettling that so many of you don't seem to understand why we have our system the way we do, and that you want to change it just because you lost an election. Grow up.",
"He’s on Twitter in the picture, on his phone that the artist drew. Trump is still quite capable of finishing his tweet, you don’t use your mouth to tweet. \n\nI still disagree with the use of MLK here, but I don’t think it’s censorship, just an aggressive suggestion.",
"I said MLK was sympathetic according to Chapel Hill area civil rights leader, Quintin Baker. Also, his answer to a boy questioning his sexuality that was in the paper some time ago proves it further. Gay sex was prohibited by a statute back in 1563 England, do you have a source for that? Seems odd that someone could be arrested for something that is private consensual behavior. Couldn’t find anything pertaining to the US, though. ",
"I'd like to, but I feel it may be difficult if you're immediately conflating insulting a country with insulting the citizens of said country based on their skin color or race... of which there is no evidence nor accusation or him doing so.",
"nobody riots when a white criminal gets shot.",
"I read it, but the rest of your statement is a garbage fire. You people and your \"Fake News\" comments. You conservatives sure love your echo chambers.",
"You are overwhelming me with evidence of his racism, I stand corrected. ",
"Hang on, did this asshole really say all Haitians have AIDS?",
"Ignore it because it calls out the previous poster on their blatant bullshit?",
"\"yeah Obama did horrible things but I'm pretty sure you're a bad person too for disagreeing with me so your argument is invalid.\"\n\nYup, exactly how you'd interpret that. Never said you're a bad person for disagreeing with me, I don't disagree that assassinating US citizens overseas without due process is horrible. I said that you're a dishonest person because you're pretending you care.\n\n\"Recessions last an average of about 18 months, not 8 fucking years. It was one of the weakest recoveries in American history. In fact, the middle class never, in 8 years, recovered under Obama. They were worse off in 2016 than they were in 2008.\"\n\nThis right here says it all. It was the worst recession in 70 years. So saying crap like this is cherry picking general facts that doesn't apply to the specific event. You see, your argument is crippled by your bias. You won't take into account the economic conditions prior to the crisis... \n\n- The US averaged between 20% - 38% job growth every decade going back to the 1940’s, with one exception. In 2000, the national payroll was 130.8 million. In 2009, 130.9 million. In that time the total pool of available labor rose from 146 million to 159 million. We had the same number of jobs in 2009 as we did in 2000, and had 13 million more people competing for them. This period ended with the worst recession in over 70 years with 8.7 million jobs lost between 2007 and 2009. \n\n- By 2008, annual incomes of the bottom 90% of US families had risen by only 10% in real terms since 1973. Over the same period the incomes of the top 1% had tripled. In 1973, CEOs were on average paid 26 times the median income. Now the multiple is above 300.\n\n...or after the crisis...\n\n- Between 2009 and 2016, the US added more jobs than the UK, Germany, France, Japan, Canada and Italy COMBINED. In case you don't get the significance, it's a comparison of how the US fared relative to their peers, important for seeing things outside of your vacuum.\n\n- Over 15 million private sector jobs were created during a record 81 consecutive months of private sector job growth. In November 2016, initial jobless claims, which count people applying for unemployment insurance for the first time, dropped to their lowest level since 1973… that’s 1973… when the economy was half the size. Claims at that point had been below 300,000 for 91 consecutive weeks, the longest streak since 1970.\n\nI could go on... but I assume I would in vain. I think I've spent enough time with a published author on the Financial Crisis of 2008 who refers to himself as a retard.",
"The artist depicts Trump being on his phone though. I think it’s fair to say that the artist might not have had censorship in mind, since even his painting version of Trump can finish his tweet. ",
"I still don't think that's racist. Classist, maybe? It's saying that people who come from depressed/rundown areas tend to get trapped there. It's also saying that they might bring their culture/ideals that led to that area being so shitty to begin with? ",
"Unless he can't read silently ",
"He said conservative, not nazi. Jesus",
"If you believe all people on the right are racists and white supremacists then yes MLK would disagree with your ideology since its the opposite of his.",
"Very cool pic. Trump needs to shut the fuck up.",
"Is it as ridiculous as supporting a demented, incompetent, man-child, as president? Is it as ridiculous as trump being the fucking president of the USA, tweeting as often as my 14 year old sister?",
"Thank you!",
"Those holocaust deniers were not internet trolls. The guy you replied to above **is**. You don't feed the trolls.",
"He would silence speech physically?",
"That's a fair statement. I used to work part time in at a Home Depot warehouse, and the guys who are piss patriotism are the first ones to hate on anyone not like them. Like you said though, that's just my experience. ",
">but i'm not sure if i would trade my wonderful youth and my healthy and strong body for even the presidency of the USA and whatever power it brings along.\n\nYour post history suggests you could probably fit in somewhere between the hentai and the planes.",
"Calling african americans \"The Blacks\" isn't exactly a good thing",
"You got to bed sweetie",
"Indeed, though all is fair in sibling rivalry. ",
">Why is everyone here such a self proclaimed expert on what MLK would or wouldn't have done? Is everyone here carrying a master's degree in civil rights movements specializing in the life of MLK?\n\nno, affluent white boys with reactionary tendancies are just dumb as shit and historically illiterate; don't understand he was a radical leftist, miles left of liberal, and conscript him into a fucked up bowdlerized right wing canon \n\nyou can actually thank progressive recuperation for whitewashing his politics and making this possible",
"Lol reread:\nMe: sjw is a term usually associated with 4chan and t'd, it's not a crazy assumption.\nYou: I assume you assume everyone wrong is td or 4chan.\nMe: youre the one assuming. I just see that term used mostly only in those areas.\nYou: well I've seen it other places more including in the trademarked(?) Skeptic community. (If I had to read between the lines here, i would assume you're also assuming I stay within an echo chamber, but I will ASSUME you're better than that).\nMe: well we've observed different things, but I still stand by my point that it's not a shocking assumption made by dabz.\n",
"Classic claim your opponent is Russian. Never change reddit",
"Do YOU have actual evidence to support your delusions? What evidence do you have that President Donald Trump has an agenda in place to specifically “take the country back from the Jews and Blacks”(hilarious, what does it mean!?). What about the evidence that all conservatives are white supremacists? ",
"Your cavaliarity comes accross as \" well they are overmatched so guess its ok \" Authoritarianism doesnt always = facism. ",
"1 upvote = 1 Trump impeach",
"It makes me very happy that the fucking left, the fucking liberals, the fucking MSM are so fucking unhappy because \"we won\".\n\nfuck them",
"That's interesting so he went in and edited people's comments and changed the target of their expletives to the owners of the subreddit r/the_donald ( I'm banned from that subreddit by the way because I questioned one thing) as opposed to himself. Therefore he's editing all the comments and he's a Hillary supporter? A liberal plant?..... I mean you didn't exactly uncover the shooter at the grassy knoll or anything.\n",
"Why do you think I want to change it. Grow up. ",
"[It doesn't.](https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/10/15/bernie-sanders-scandinavia-not-socialist-utopia/lUk9N7dZotJRbvn8PosoIN/story.html)",
"I don't think it's suppose to be literal. In my opinion, and not saying that it's correct, I think the mural is suppose to represent the MLK who said that we should all be equal no matter race, sex, or creed. And then theirs Trump tweeting, who sometimes says obvious xenophobic remarks, which is the opposite of what MLK was fighting for. I think most this thread is taking the covering of the mouth too literal, when it's figurative. Not really a \"Stop saying things\" and more of a \"Use your head when you are tweeting\" kind of thing. Just my observation.",
"Saying it isn't art is pretty immature. ",
"Twitter is Donald Trumps only way to bypass the MSM.",
"[Apparently](https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/23/us/politics/trump-immigration.html?referer=/)\n \nThe president is literally /b/",
"Yes, I am a bot. Beep boop. 🙄",
"If Martin Luther King were alive for the Trump presidency he probably would have shot himself",
"MLK wouldn't do this ya giant liberal",
"People don’t change. Just platforms and formats.",
"TL;DR bro I've heard these bullshit talking points before. Yes - a lot of McJobs were created under Obama. Part-time, low wage, McJobs. OF COURSE we created more than a subset of European countries...our population far outstrips those countries combined. Do you even know how statistics work?\n\n\n> In November 2016, initial jobless claims, which count people applying for unemployment insurance for the first time, dropped to their lowest level since 1973\n\nRemind me what happened in November 2016 again?\n\n\n>-The annual incomes of the bottom 90% of US families have risen by only 10% in real terms since 1973. Over the same period the incomes of the top 1% have tripled. In 1973, CEOs were on average paid 26 times the median income. Now the multiple is above 300.\n\nThat's my entire point. It got way worse under Obama. This problem was exacerbated by stimulus spending and Fed policy under Obama, which he was silent about. Printing money hurts the poor.\n\n>Over 15 million private sector jobs were created during a record 81 consecutive months of private sector job growth.\n\nMeasuring from rock bottom always produces impressive results.\n\nLet me reiterate:\n\nFood stamps, record high under Obama\n\nMedian wage **fell** under Obama\n\n[The average American had less than $1000 in savings at the end of Obama's last term.](https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/09/25/how-much-does-the-average-american-have-in-their-s.aspx)\n\n[At the end of Obama's last term, the average American was one $500 bill away from bankruptcy.](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/most-americans-cant-handle-a-500-surprise-bill/)\n\nKeep spewing those \"jobs created\" numbers though. I'm sure the twentysomething working 2 part time jobs just to make ends meet *really* appreciates it. Hey - that's TWO jobs!! \n\nThey mean precisely NOTHING for the average working American. It's about quality, not quantity. ",
"Yeah, you defend the assumption. What is it that you're not understanding here?",
"You're being so defensive, are you a degenerate yourself? Shame. Name me a genuinely good-hearted Trump supporter. You won't, because when the leader himself is a piece of filth, his followers will be the same twice over.\n\n",
"What part of it is racist? I wouldn't say it's racist, I'd say it's nationalist.\n\nEdit: No one cares to answer? I'm not validating Trump, I'm just saying the phase \"This country is a shithole\" is not inherently racist.",
"> It's ridiculous to say Democrats \"hate white men\" when white men make up the vast majority of their figureheads.\n\nthey actually hate themselves, they call it \"white guilt.\"",
"Didn’t his niece vote for Trump?",
"Meh, you say potato I say tomato.",
"Agreed! The issue is I already did that. Reddit is where I get my news. I do not subscribe to politics, news, etc. I only see what hits front the front page. ",
"Ah, so an imaginary creature can overcome a very real and impulsive man. Much better.\nEdit: Did not mean the imaginary creature was his daughter, I was referring to the scary guy in the sky.",
"I don't think it's suppose to be literal folks. In my opinion, and not saying that it's correct, I think the mural is suppose to represent the MLK who said that we should all be equal no matter race, sex, or creed. And then theirs Trump tweeting, who sometimes says obvious xenophobic remarks, which is the opposite of what MLK was fighting for. I think most this thread is taking the covering of the mouth too literal, when it's figurative. Not really a \"Stop saying things\" and more of a \"Use your head when you are tweeting\" kind of thing. Just my observation.",
"Is it really a generalization though? I mean look at the things Trump says... if you support a man who speaks like that... well... you're a degenerate.",
"I can hear him talkin “Donald. Shut the fuck up..”",
"My goal is not to convince you there is a *liberal* bias but that there is a bias, an agenda. That Reddit has the ability and continues to have that ability to influence its platform. \n\nIt's all fun and games until the owner/CEO doesn't agree with you politically. Once you see them altering comments they no longer have the ability to call themselves neutral. \n\nAnd to note, I don't visit nor comment the_Donald so I'm not here as a supporter for them. Im here as an observer. ",
"No comment on the fact that black criminals get harsher punishments on average? \n\nAnd nothing's stopping you from protesting an unjustified police killing. Well, other than the fact that you don't actually care that much and only want to push this nonsense \"white people are really the oppressed ones\" talking point.",
"I might've done a poor job explaining my opinion, but Trump _did_ mention the people. He mentioned that they were from shithole countries, and he questioned why they, of all people, should be allowed to enter the US. The implication is that they're not suitable to become residents, and that's an insult. Also, they're mostly black.\n\nDid he insult them, at least in part, because they're black? Maybe. Probably, given the sorts of remarks he's made in the past. Possibly not. But he did insult them, and that's where a lot of the backlash is coming from.",
"Just like trying to get a book banned, amiright?",
"yeah I was kind of thinking that but didn't articulate it. It's just odd that both sides are using this guys legacy as fuel for their fights when they shouldn't be using him at all.",
"Not fake.\n\nhttp://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alveda-king-defends-trump-against-racism-accusations-black-americans-are-benefiting-from-his-presidency/article/2645940\n\nJust google it.\n",
"lol the vast majority of them weren't unjustified. they were criminals that resisted arrest.",
"“Shut up and learn something” ",
"And far left of democrats by a significant margin, not even considering how today's democrats are bush I era moderate republicans",
"> Those riots don't happen because of a single shooting. \n\nOf course not. They happen because black criminals are underrepresented as recipients of police shootings compared to the amount of crime they commit.\n\n>Being myopic helps no one. \n\nIt's the only choice you have. Examining any part of BLM other than kneeling football players will make people see what a shitshow it is.\n\n>I gave them an out, I gave them the benefit of the doubt, they only had to say \"that's not how I mean't it\" and maybe promise to choose their words more carefully.\n\nOh how very gracious of you. I think you are owed an apology. And a monument.\n\n>It's a bit your fault.\n\nI had no part in you genetic makeup or your education.\n\n>After this whole conversation you should know better. \n\nI really should.\n\n\n\n\n",
"I don't know where you're getting these assumptions from. I'm bored and have nothing better to do with my time, so I'm appeasing your desire for attention, were there anything better to do at work I would be doing it instead of feeding the troll.",
"I defend the assumption, I don't assume myself. ",
"Scary thought. I wouldn't dare..",
"I'm very seriously doubting a lot of what you were taught in schools, or maybe just what little you managed to learn. ",
"MLK was anti gay, but sure.",
"Keep moving away from the original subject. You can't even defend anything you've said so far.",
"I know, it's like The_Donald had a call to arms. \"Grab your tin foil MAGA hats yall. We got some triggerin to do.\"",
"The fact that this got upvoted as much as it did proves that this comment section is full of idiots such as yourself. Anyone who knows an ounce about MLK knows he was huge on economic justice. \n\n> the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity\n\nThis is literally in his I Have a Dream speech. Take two seconds to google \"MLK economic views\" before making such an ignorant statement.",
"Not to mention there *was* collaboration for the NN thing. All those subs didn't just wake up the same morning and start posting the *same exact post* out of sheer coincidence.",
"Sure..",
"What unity?",
"Well people definitely have their own personal biases. And it's absolutely true that those biases will bleed over into how they manage their affairs. One doesn't have to look far to see examples on both sides. \n\nThe article you posted definitely shows that the CEO is unprofessional and also betrays maybe a little bit of his personal opinion but it certainly seems like he did that in reaction to being attacked. If what he did was to redirect statements against the mods of that forum that means that the statements already existed.\n\nIt Still Remains at this site is essentially user content. It's a forum and Pages like the Donald are allowed to exist. If there is any kind of a liberal bias to read it it's because of the users not because of the management. ",
"I don't agree with it but it made me laugh 😂",
"Not exactly sure what you are playing on, but yes thats in the same vein of course",
"you got triggered as fuck, you insulted me for no reason at all multiple times, dont try to move to the high ground now :)",
"k",
"...ok?",
"Hey now. Not all SJWs like this. Some think MLK was a racist bigot, because he believed people should be judged by the content of their character, not the colour of their skin. (Yes there really are some people who think that). ",
"If you really think that is why the majority of people do not like donald trump, step back, open your ears, and listen for a minute or two. I think Trump so far has been, and in the end almost certainly will go down in history as one of the worst presidents in american history. And I don't know anyone with half a grain of sense that hates trump for the reason you gave. This culture war bullshit only exists because people keep telling the narrative to themselves and others take advantage of it. People hate trump because of what he says, what he does, what he stands for, his shit policies and what he is doing to the democratic institutions of our country. Not because \"the other guys\" won. Seriously, that's playground bullshit. Don't get to wrapped up in the ''culture war'' friend. We're all in this together.",
"#POWERFUL",
"There are soooo many comments on here saying MLK would have been a Trump supporter or a modern Republican. Like WHAT?!. They must have had a 2 for 1 sale on tin foil MAGA hats in T_D today.",
"Racism can be subtle, and I agree that trying too hard to find it in others is a sort of racism all its own.\n\nThat said, I don't think the analogy I used earlier is a perfect fit. A better one would be: \"Ugh, I wish folks would stop moving into our neighborhood from _that part_ of town.\"\n\n\"You should stay away from there\" could very well be motivated by racism, but like you said, it's more likely a genuine concern for your personal safety.\n\n\"They should stay away from here\", which is more akin to what Trump said, is probably motivated less by safety and more by skin color.",
"Uhh sure dude",
"> [W]e are saying that something is wrong … with capitalism…. There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.\n\n-\n\n> You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism\n\n-\n\n>And one day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth.’ When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society\n\n-\n\n>I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.\n\nThese are all things Martin Luther King, Jr. said.",
"I feel like i'm talking to Rainman...yes, they are relevant, because the family has made his estate a brand, and his kids are simply an extension of what Corretta did. But, okay, I guess the words of King are not enough to showcase his opinion, totally sensible.",
"It’s ppl like you that will guarantee Trump a second win",
"I don't think that conservatives realise what satire is. I think the mural is suppose to represent the MLK who said that we should all be equal no matter race, sex, or creed. And then theirs Trump tweeting, a guy who sometimes says obvious xenophobic remarks now and again, which is the opposite of what MLK was fighting for. I think most this thread is taking the covering of the mouth too literal, when it's figurative. Not really a \"Stop saying things\" and more of a \"Use your head when you are tweeting\" kind of thing. Just my observation.",
"You sure about that? Hope your UBI kicks in soon so you can dye your hair blue. ",
"Definitely not always. Not every idea is worthy of debate. ",
"the oval office?",
">they are literally putting Mexicans' rights before American laws?\n\nNot attacking you but care to explain, as I have almost the opposite views.\n\nWhy is helping illegals such a bad thing in your opinion? Is it fiscally? Because we have way bigger problems with where our taxes are going right now that these cities. \n\nMy current view:\n\nI am have the idea that all humans should have basic rights regardless of where you are born. I also don't think we live in a world with perfect laws in place.\n\nFor example I believe that small gov has its place because what works for a city like Chicago will not necessarily work in a small rural town. For example gun laws. \n\nTo me laws are rules we as a society set in place so we can get a long better and progress. Thus I have very little issue with people especially governements breaking injust laws for the well being of its inhabitants(like MJ laws). I mean we still have citizens that remember that by law they had no rights and were basically slaves expected to support and die for the system. ",
"He preferred to stay the course. Follow the rules.",
"Heres a START. How about not being so lazy and do one simple google search. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html",
"I was looking for this comment. Glad it’s the first one.",
"Look at the type of person that is having their mouth closed. The person spews sewage non-stop. It is simply saying stop and listen. ",
"....No? There are plenty of predominantly white shithole countries, too. If Haiti was populated by majority whites, would we even be having this conversation?\nTrump has plenty of plausible deniability here in regards to racism.\nI wish people would choose their battles better. This is not racist (proveably, anyway) and yet, there are many other things he's done or said that definitely are. This is going to be a boy-who-cried-wolf situation. If we cry over every little thing he says, then when he actually says something worth crying about, no one will care.",
"Not all black people are African Americans. You do realize that some black people aren't from Africa right?",
"Like saying Malcolm X and Fred Hampton would have been fans of Limbaugh and BFFs with Richard Spencer. It's a level of lunacy that you can't even argue with because it's so brazenly monkeyshit crazy.",
"Trump was trying to get Fire and Fury stopped from being released and asked for a ban on it. Pretty constitutional don't you think?",
"Trump and MLK would not be friends. If it was Trump putting his hand over Pence, that would be different. \n\nThis is obviously MLK would favor shutting Trump's mouth over debate",
"They're a t_d poster. I wouldn't expect a whole lot of logic from them, it's doubtful that you could get them to explain anything or argue in good faith. ",
"You believe you want to believe friendo, there's no triggering going on here. If you want to keep living in your fantasy world where nobody is any darker than bleach white who am I to stop you? :\\^)",
"That’s the thing though. People today just associate anyone with anything. They don’t stop to think what that person might actually want or think. They decide for them. ",
"MLK was also a Southern Baptist minister. \n\nDon't think his views on gay marriage and abortion would go down swimmingly with today's blue-haired rabble either. ",
"Do you have friends that give you \"advice\" by violating your personal space without consent and forcing you to take said advice?\n\nThat's not really advice is it?",
"How does not being happy with the ACLU's endeavors make you a Trump supporter? The worlds a tad less black and white than that...",
"Actions speak louder than words. Here's a few key moments that have made it clear to me that Donald Trump is a racist piece of shit: \n\n1. Promoting racist conspiracy theories against Obama.\n2. Pardoning and praising Joe Arpaio, who ran a self-described concentration camp and intentionally targeted Hispanics. \n3. Continued attacks against Central Park Five (as recent as 2016). \n4. Declaring that black people were inherently lazy. He denies he said it now, but he said it was \"probably true\" when asked about it in 1997. \n5. Prolonged refusal to condemn white supremacist supporters such as David Duke. \n6. Referring to \"many sides\" following the white supremacist terrorist attack in NC. \n7. Opening his 2016 campaign by implying that a plurality of Mexican immigrants are rapists, drug smugglers, and criminals. \n8. Insisting on using the name of one of the most iconic Native Americans in history as an insult against a sitting U.S. Senator despite being repeatedly told that it's a derogatory and insulting use of the name. \n9. Travel ban targeting Muslim-majority countries (just not the ones he does business with).\n10. Attacking a Gold Star, Muslim family by implying that the mother wasn't allowed to speak on her own. \n11. Nominating the least diverse cabinet and least diverse judicial picks since Reagan. \n12. \"Shithole countries.\" \n\nAnd this is just off the top of my head. \n\nBut sure. Keep defending the \"very stable genius.\" I'm sure he'll stop being a national embarrassment any second now. \n \n\n\n\n\n\n",
"> I don't think MLK would tell him to zip it because I just literally quoted MLK saying that exposing racism is the best way to fight it. Why would someone who wanted to expose racism try to tell a bad guy to be silent?\n\nWhat Martin Luther King Jr would do is besides the point because the piece is not about him. Trump has made enemies because he impulsively makes inflammatory remarks. Covering his mouth and making the quiet gesture sends a message not to broadcast everything that comes to mind.",
"Black people is the correct term. The Blacks is not ",
"I think it was about MLK offering advice as a leader, not silencing someone. ",
"ohh now I'm a racist for no apparent fucking reason, LOL. You keep getting better and better ",
"Exactly. To think MLK would support the same guy as David Duke is seriously laughable. I mean is this r/Jokes?",
"I see you're unsure. That was sincere, not sarcastic. I like the content of your post.",
"There is nothing to debate about plain old stupidity and lies. The picture is right, trump just needs to shut the fuck up. That is not cenzorship, just decency.",
"A finger over your own mouth is advice for caution. A hand over someone else’s mouth is forceful silencing. ",
"I’m sure MLK would have been more concerned with people he fought for burning cars and looting because they disagree with something rather than what Trump has to say.",
"Every defense of this image refuses to see any other possible interpretation even intellectually.\n\nIt's full on Emperor's New Clothes in this thread.\n\nI think that's the real lesson here.\n\nThe Streisand Effect will likely be the real consequences. So many screen shot opportunities, it's fish in a barrel. As a satirist I'm at a loss for words.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law\n",
"No, getting rid of the electoral college will not put \"more power in the hands of the people\". That's just switching from a state-level popular vote to a nation-level popular vote.",
"**\"A riot is the language of the unheard.\"** - MLK, March 1968",
"It's downright disrespectful. I've seen people countering this bullshit argument that \"MLK would've told Trump to shut up\" with \"but MLK was a homophobe and slept with hookers\" and it's like, do we have to insult the man's legacy to counter an argument that's already seriously flawed in the first place? \n\nI don't know what MLK would've thought about the current state of poltics, but I do know that he would've probably wanted people to get along. Arguing and insulting one another in MLKs name is painfully ironic. ",
"1) I never said he wasn't racist, nor whether I believe he is. Please don't put words in my mouth.\n\n2) 2nd hand anecdotes, hearsay, \"investigated for\" all prove nothing. They insinuate, they are enough to form opinion, not fact. My opinion of him and what I consider undeniably true are two different things.\n\n3) What he has said or done in the past do not influence the truth and facts of this particular instance in any way, shape, or form. This is why we do not generally allow criminal history to be disclosed in a court case.\n\nI'm not saying I don't believe he is a racist, and I'm not saying I don't believe he said something very close to, if not exactly what was repeated. I am purely saying that it is entirely possible that his context was different and less racist than what was specifically called out, given the differences in opinion that came out of the room. Why are you assuming that I don't believe he is racist? What statement did I make that would allow you to draw that conclusion?\n\n",
"Splitting hairs.",
"Yeah. MLK would have been part of the intersectional left, not the right.\n\nRemember how he said \"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the content of their character, but by the amount systematic bias against individuals with their skin color.\"\n\nSomething like that anyway.",
"It’s a million different ways to interpret an art piece. He’s choosing to interpret it in a way to create that won’t create divisiveness... You, on the other hand...\n\nIn this exchange lies the problem in American society. Colin Kapernick is kneeling to protest problems in society vs. He’s kneeling to disrespect America and our soldiers.",
"Didn’t Donald trump just meet with his family and deem their home a national monument? I don’t think MLK would shush that. ",
"So then you're wrong. ",
"Thats a weak talking point retort. It comes down to, can we afford to take in immigrants from shithole countries, and yes we can. I think after the US playing a huge part in destabilizing the world, we are obligated to...but thats just my opinion MAN",
"Reddit needs more ppl like you",
"I could name several but you won't accept it because... well you just explained why yourself. \n\nIt's quite scary how crazy you people have become since losing.",
"It's suppose to be satirical, not literal. ",
"I see the humor in the “even MLK would want to tell Trump to shut up,” since MLK fought for everyone to have a voice, but the forceful silencing is contradictory to what MLK stood for. ",
">Dems out of bed with big business.\n\nAre you implying the republican party is less in bed with big business? I mean I got the hate for Shillary, and I have no clue what the Dem party was thinking. But isn't the republican party overall know for all their corruption and nepotism? I might live in a bubble, but its always weird to me seeing this argument, when I see all the published donations primarily lining Republican pockets.",
"Suddenly everyone brings up MLK's economic views, as if that does anything to refute what you said.\n\nMLK's social views were directly in line with the conservative right. There is no disputing that, only petty deflections.",
"I don't get your point...you are using quotes from people who knew him to assert that he supported gays, but then totally discrediting what he actually said? Okay...\n\nHere are some quotes from the man himself:\n Your problem is not at all an uncommon one. However, it does require careful attention. The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired. Your reasons for adopting this habit have now been consciously suppressed or unconsciously repressed. Therefore, it is necessary to deal with this problem by getting back to some of the experiences and circumstances that led to the habit. In order to do this I would suggest that you see a good psychiatrist who can assist you in bringing to the forefront of conscience all of those experiences and circumstances that led to the habit. You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve it.",
"ITT: People who don't know what satire is. \n\nIt's not suppose to be literal. Come on now Reddit, let's use those critical thinking skills.",
"> Yes there really are some people who think that. \n\nNo, nobody thinks that. ",
"political correctness is what got Trump elected. ",
"Maybe he's just a troll?",
"Thats not going to stop him from tweeting..",
"\"TL;DR bro I've heard these bullshit talking points before.\"\n\nProceeds to post talking points... and incomplete nonsense. \n\nBy saying \"Remind me what happened in November 2016 again?\" are you implying that had something to do with trump?!?! WOW. You know less than I thought.\n\nI posted statistics. I'll never be able to convince you that the way you filter things is broken... you and almost 63 million other obtuse, disingenuous Americans are why we have bullshit trump. Run along and have fun thinking you won an argument today.",
"Nope just calling everyone they disagree with Nazis ",
"And you liberals are full of hot air and not much else.",
"It's a drawing. Political satire. Can you not tell the difference? Do you understand what satire is? This shouldn't have to be explained...",
"> It's a metaphor.\n\n[Whatever you say Taserface](https://i.imgur.com/bseUj7X.jpg).",
"Why did I bother to explain something if you're just going to ignore it to repeat what you already said?",
"burden of proof is on the person making the initial assertion",
"It's not about treating immigrants better, they are still facing prejudice but thats not the point. America is literally founded on the concept of accepting immigration and building a coalition of other peoples. And we can argue about the specifics and numbers, which we should, but to have the president spewing this shit in the oval office is embarassing. please just admit that . ",
"Spare tire smuggling, cheetoh stained skin, skunk pelt hair peice wearing, crybaby snowflake muhfucker. \n\nDid i miss anything? ✌",
"Except it isn't state level popular vote because the electoral votes aren't even distributed appropriately, if you get a 51% majority in a state, you get all that states electoral votes, and thus 49% of voters in that state are not being represented. Hell if you add a single third party in to the mix, the represented population can be as low as 34%. That's not democracy, which apparently is what We've been trying to go around and support around the world in developing nations, when we can't even do it right ourselves.",
"It’s funny, because my grandparents from the Deep South were never prejudiced towards gays. You’re really going to use the “that’s just how it was back then”argument? Yes, a lot was different then but I don’t think for a minute that Dr. King’s opinion was based on “the Norm” for that time period. If that were the case, I’m sure Dr. King would have tried to convince his lavender bff to keep psychiatric “help”.\nEdit: Grandparents mentioned above were born in the early 1930s.",
"Hmm... good point, that distinction is definitely important to make.",
"I'm not him, but every left leaning person I've talked to is more obsessive over race and creed and gender, holding them over what the person is like or has accomplished, while every person on the right side I've talked to doesn't care at all about race and only cares about what the person is like or has accomplished. In fact, I even heard the good old \"Can't be racist towards whites\" rhetoric from someone who said they had a no whites allowed sign in their house, they were very left leaning. ",
"Hey, you know what's good satire for friendly advice?\n\nDuh, it's clearly physical assault. Everyone who doesn't see that is stupid. ",
"If Haiti was populated by majority whites, Trump wouldn’t have said it. The fact he wants to stop immigration from shithole majority black countries and he doesn’t care about immigration from shithole white countries is based on racism. And the shithole comment wasn’t even the most bigoted thing he said. He also said all Haitians have AIDS and all Nigerians live in huts. That’s ridiculous. ",
"Yes, he mentioned that the people were from shithole countries. Did he say, \"Why are we allowing these shitty brown people from these shithole countries\"? No. \n\n>Also, they're mostly black. \n\nFact or not, that's irrelevant. Where in his questioning did he mention their race being a factor as to **1:** why the country they come from is a shithole, or **2:** why they shouldn't be allowed in this country? \n\n>Did he insult them, at least in part, because they're black? Maybe. Probably, \n\nWe just... don't care about proof anymore, do we? Society is allowed to just throw a made-up concept into the ether and have it become real-world fact? There is less than a fraction of a decimal of a percentage of any kind of evidence that Trump made any comment insulting them because they're black. \n\nIf you lived in Alabama, and someone said, \"Fuck shithole Alabama\". Is that a personal insult toward you? If you're a black Alabama citizen... is \"Fuck shithole Alabama\" a racist statement? Context and intent of statement dictate racism, not target of said statement.",
">according to one person who attended the meeting and another person who was briefed about it by a different person who was there. \n\nJesus Christ, more of the same. I mean, I wouldn't put it past him making such a stupid statement... but this is exactly as much proof as his \"shithole countries\" statement.",
"But you never know what's on the other person's hands...",
"what circumstance warrants someone to say all haitans have aids, or that africans will never go back to their huts? ",
"I can imagine :)",
"I'm sure i would, being an aviation engineer would be a wonderful job, but i'll probably go for mechanical engineering as it is slightly more appealing to me, cars are cool.",
"Ok so we should just disregard laws that we don’t agree with? No that would be chaos. \n\nThere’s no “moral” issue at play. There are laws. What you consider unjust as an individual means nothing. Some people think taxes are unjust. Laws are the rules people in a civilized, democratic society must follow weather they agree or not. \n\nNot trying to sound argumentative but there is no “right or just”. There is just legal and illegal and it’s quite obvious where illegals fall. ",
"It's absolutely racist.",
"Normally I'd absolutely agree with this,.. but things were entirely different in 50's and 60's than they are in 2017/2018. \n\nUnfortunately these days.. with the extreme/hyperbolic polarity and divisiveness,.. the ability to have any sort of \"productive debate\" is nearly 100% gone at this point. \n\nThese days the popular tactic(s) seem to be things like:\n\n* **\"Control the narrative\"** (no matter what that narrative may be),.. all people think they need to do is shotgun-blast out their message as frequently as possible on as many different social media platforms as possible .. and just the shear quantity of visibility will appear to give them legitimacy. \n\n* **\"drag the other guy down\"** .... it doesn't seem any longer that people want to contribute positive/constructive things. All they seem to want to do is \"find ways to expose dirt or \"drag the other guy(s) down\". Standing back and observing politics often feels like watching 2 crocodiles latched together in a death-roll to the bottom and neither one wants to lose (and both are probably gonna die). When I was growing up,. I was always taught to \"be humble and be measured by how many different positive/constructive things you can contribute to help others\". If you wanted to prove that your way was better -- you were actually expected to physically do it / be able to prove it. That doesn't seem to be the case anymore. Now it's just \"I'll scream and throw a fit and drag the other guy down\". \n\nI mean.. at this point lying and cheating and illegal activities and other forms of unethical behavior... barely even register on the radar. \n\nMaybe it's just me.. (and I'm as anti-censorship as they come).. but I think the opposite attitude of \"every opinion has value\" is not tenable in todays atmosphere. We're allowing the public-discourse to be polluted and watered-down so much that the average joe cannot easily decipher what's good objective information or not. And that is exactly what the rabble-rousers want to achieve.. because confusion and \"muddying the waters\" helps them sway ill-informed people. ",
"Drumpf stop tweeting, gawd! \n\n\nNow, let me see what Jim Acosta @cnn is tweeting live from the outskirts of the White House...",
"So Jim Crowe laws were ok?\n\n\"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.\"\n-Thomas Jefferson",
"1. Guess Hillary Clinton is a racist then: that's where the birther conspiracy started.\n\n2. Pardoning someone doesn't make you a racist anymore than Obama pardoning a bunch of crack dealers makes him a druglord\n\n3. Being wrong is not de facto proof of racism. \n\n4. Give me a video clip for that\n\n5. and\n\n6. Antifa and friends were rioters and commie sympathizers. So \"many sides\" was a valid descriptor: the whole thing was a shitshow. Of course you don't see Antifa that way, but you probably should.\n\n7. Do the words \"drug smugglers\" and \"coyotes\" mean anything to you? Or do we just deny that such things exist? How is that even the slightest bit racist?\n\n8. Because she falsely claimed native american status for personal benefit...but I'm sure you just accidentally overlooked that point \n\n9. You need to make up your mind if he's racist or greedy. Because it sounds like your argument is that he's too greedy to be sufficiently racist - which doesn't make a lot of sense. \n\n10. The left only cares about military families when they can trot them out for political points, this is a garbage point\n\n11. There are no diversity quotas in the oval office, despite what Obama may have led you to believe\n\n12. If they're not shithole countries, why are they begging to get in, and why are you claiming that we need to let them?\n\n\n\nRegardless, only a handful of those accusations even qualify as being racially motivated even if they were true. You don't even really know what race means.",
"I feel like the person who made this missed the point. \nOne of MLKs greatest strengths was proving his point by using intelligence and logic to debate his opponents.",
"Lost? I think America lost, when Trump became president. We're a laughing stock now. No one takes this man serious except for his followers. To me it's quite scary that people choose to support him after all the controversy surrounding his name. Actually, I know why, you also know why. So lets just leave it at that...",
"Well you've convinced me. There is no way this one sentence was plucked out of context. /s\n \n>Now I wanted to say something about the fact that we have lived over these last two or three summers with agony and we have seen our cities going up in flames. And I would be the first to say that **I am still committed to militant, powerful, massive, non-violence** as the most potent weapon in grappling with the problem from a direct action point of view. **I'm absolutely convinced that a riot merely intensifies the fears of the white community while relieving the guilt.** And I feel that we must always work with an effective, powerful weapon and method that brings about tangible results. \n \nThat's from the same speech, right before your cherry picked line. Now correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure discouraging violent riots is the opposite of \"leading\" them. ",
"asking someone not to be a loudmouth on twitter isnt really censorship.",
"I'm not denying that the holder of the most powerful position in the world should be better at diplomacy. Not sure where you're getting that from.\n\nI'm simply saying that it's dishonest to point to *The New Colossus* and say \"wow, our immigration policy is worse than it was 150 years ago\".\n\n\nAnd no, I don't think the country was really founded on those principles. I think the closest you can say is that the *colonies* were in large part created by those seeking religous freedom fleeing to the New World. At the time of the actual founding of the country, I don't think immigration was of particular concern. They were angry at being taxed without proper representation which was stirred into a desire for true independence mostly by Paine. They never stood up and said \"The Crown isn't letting in enough immigrants, so we're going to start our own country.\"",
"So was it better when the last president was doing it silently? And by that I mean deporting folks. ",
"HE NEEDS SOME MLK!!",
"Ah, this must be a reference to Trump's declassification of the FBI's Kennedy assassination files containing evidence of MLK's extramarital affairs.",
"Such a strawman. ",
"SHHH-ut the fuck up. ",
"Or maybe people like to misinterpret things to justify their shitty actions? ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)_/¯\n\n",
"Make that a mural",
"What else does putting your hand over someone else mouth mean? \n\nYour complaining about my \"interpretation\" explain yours ",
"Alright, claim noted. Burden of proof now lies with you. \n\nPlease prove your claim. \n\nEdit: Or don't. Just downvote and move along. That's productive.",
"Republicans get more triggered over satire on a wall then they do about an actual person who is a piece of shit. Not surprised, just pointing it out.",
">By saying \"Remind me what happened in November 2016 again?\" are you implying that had something to do with trump?!?! WOW. You know less than I thought.\n\n[Yes, I am.](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-dows-one-year-gain-since-trumps-election-is-its-biggest-since-1945-2017-11-08) Surprise surprise, businesses see a pro-business President take office and they react accordingly.\n\n>I posted statistics. I'll never be able to convince you that the way you filter things is broken... you and almost 63 million other obtuse, disingenuous Americans are why we have bullshit trump.\n\nYou posted meaningless tripe. \"Jobs created\" doesn't mean shit. A part-time job at McDonalds doesn't mean shit to someone trying to support a family. What I posted were actual, relevant statistics. The amount of savings the average American has in their checking account is a much better indicator of economic health than \"jobs created.\" \n\nYou yourself even pointed out the staggering wealth inequality under Obama. What's up with that if he was so fucking fantastic for America's economy? \n\nYou can \"create\" as many jobs as you want - doesn't mean shit at the end of the day if they all pay minimum wage. By any *real* economic indicator - median household income, average $$ in savings, net worth, homelessness, food stamps, labor participation rate, Obama was a fuck up.\n\nKeep hating on Trump and calling everyone *else* stupid, though. Trump and us evil obtuse Americans who voted for him are busy rebuilding this country.\n\n\n",
"I agree with the top comment that he wouldn't condone censorship, but I think this illustration is asking him to listen as opposed to stop talking. Listen to the voices of the under-represented, and take time to reflect on their words and gain a new perspective.",
"Affirmative Action is objectively racial discrimination",
"hes not gagging him in this picture trump could be a loudmath and say what he does if he wanted. The point isnt MLK forcing trump to be silent. ",
"So Trump agrees with MLK that a big reason for the continuing racial schism is the failure of white people to properly educate themselves on issues of race?:\n\n> Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans … These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.\n\nTrump agrees that the issue of poverty is the fault of the capitalist economy?:\n\n> And one day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth.’ When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society\n\n-\n\n> You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism.\n\n-\n\n> We have deluded ourselves into believing the myth that capitalism grew and prospered out of the Protestant ethic of hard work and sacrifices. Capitalism was built on the exploitation of black slaves and continues to thrive on the exploitation of the poor, both black and white, both here and abroad.\n\nDoes Trump call for democratic socialism?:\n\n> Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children\n\nDoes Trump agree that the Global South, the \"shitholes\", are impoverished because the Global Capitalist system is set up to facilitate the siphoning of wealth out of places like Africa and South America and into the pockets of western capitalists?:\n\n> It will look across the oceans and see individual capitalists of the West investing huge sums of money in Asia, Africa and South America, only to take the profits out with no concern for the social betterment of the countries, and say: “This is not just.” It will look at our alliance with the landed gentry of Latin America and say: “This is not just.”\n\nAnd that, rather than spending stupid amounts of money on militarization, it should instead go to welfare programs to help America's impoverished and forgotten:\n\n> A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death. America, the richest and most powerful nation in the world, can well lead the way in this revolution of values.\n\nAnd that workers must be fairly compensated for their work, so wages must increase to levels fit for living, as well as the implementation of an annual guaranteed income:\n\n> There is nothing to prevent us from paying adequate wages to schoolteachers, social workers and other servants of the public to insure that we have the best available personnel in these positions which are charged with the responsibility of guiding our future generations. There is nothing but a lack of social vision to prevent us from paying an adequate wage to every American citizen whether he be a hospital worker, laundry worker, maid or day laborer. There is nothing except shortsightedness to prevent us from guaranteeing an annual minimum—and livable—income for every American family.\n\nDoes Trump support reparations?:\n\n> At the very same time that America refused to give the negro any land, through an act of congress, our government was giving millions of acres of land, in the west and the midwest, which meant that it was willing to undergird its white peasants from Europe with an economic floor. But not only did they give the land, they built land-grant colleges with government money to teach them how to farm. Not only that! They provided county agents to further their expertise in farming. Not only that! They provided low-interest rates in order that they could mechanize their farms. Not only that! Today many of these people are receiving millions of dollars in federal subsidies not to farm, and they are the very people telling the black man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps. This is what we are faced with, tthis is the reality. Now when we come to Washington in this campaign, we are coming to get our check.",
"Ok we will just pretend sanctuary cities aren’t ignoring federal immigration authority. ",
"Reddit is riddled with the \"white moderates\" that MLK famously decried. Also, actual white supremacists. ",
"In modern day America, Trump and his supporters would slam MLK criticism just like they slam anybody who thinks different... hypocrites they are",
"So MLK doesn't have his hand over Trump mouth? ",
"The words \"shithole countries\" isn't the racist part. It's the \"why would we want people from these shithole countries\" part.",
"its not someone's word. it's trumps word (worthless) vs the word of both republican and democratic senators. you believe that they drubin, graham, etc, all left the meeting and agreed to all lie about trump saying something? like, i don't believe that actually think that. he said it. you know he said it lol",
"It's Reddit. Every time there's a fluff piece about how progressive we are we start jerking each other off. Whenever we actually have to challenge our IQ's and morals, the autism takes over and suddenly we're using semantics and technicalities to defend bullshit.",
"Saying that certain people should not be allowed to legally immigrate the the United States based on exclusively on their national origin is racist.",
"Have you looked at Trump's twitter? He is so full of hot air that not one single former President or foreign nation takes him or his supporters seriously. He's a paper tiger, all talk. Just like the simple minded snowflake Republicans. Is Hillary is jail? Mexico paying for that wall? Coal mines are shutting down.. and small businesses are going to feel pressure under this new tax bill. SAD.",
"Um.... fascism can definitely be defined. I mean ignorant people often say it can't be defined because it may require nuance and there are different interpretations and what some would consider factors but it can definitely be defined. Seriously just Google it, it's even in the dictionary, there's a Wikipedia article about it, hell people even write entire books about.",
"> who fought for free speech,\n\nUh.....not really. ",
"Bring on you radical social revolution. I've been stockpiling ammo for years.",
"There are people who believe the world is flat, but you find this hard to believe?",
"I wish.",
"Because you're falling over yourself to excuse something that is empirically obvious. This isn't a court of law, he doesn't get the presumption of innocence because there's no chance of him being falsely imprisoned. Based on his past and present the burden of proof is on him to prove the racist shit he says isn't racist. Btw he was sued by the justice department and settled out of court, but considering the racial discrimination within the justice system at the time the fact charges were even considered says a lot. The man is a piece of shit and the extent that you're willing to play devil's advocate for him is why I don't believe you think it. Also I never said that you said he wasn't racist, please don't put words in my mouth.",
"Again... where does their race come in? \n\nEdit: This is common sense, people. Countries themselves cannot fucking travel. People can. Instead of downvoting because you're out of excuses to label Trump \"literally Hitler\", why not actually engage in conversation and answer the question?",
"No, these people have the flat earth society that I can point to and identify flat earthers. Can you do the same with your claim? ",
"Who determines what’s “just” in you or Thomas Jefferson’s example? There’s no absolute moral authority so we use laws so all of our individual morals can live together. \n\nI appreciate the irony of you quoting Thomas Jefferson in an argument against the”ok-ness” of Jim Crow though. ",
"> Because it's a metaphor. \n\nYes, a terrible one, unless you are a Kool-Aid drinker in an echo chamber.\n\nPeople keep telling you [the dress](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_dress) looks white and gold to them, and you keep telling them the right answer is \"black and blue\", when what color it really is isn't the point. How it's being seen is the point.\n\nAnd it sure as fuck looks like MLK is assaulting Trump to censor him but failing because Twitter. You are making your enemies case for them.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law\n\nSee, that's how you metaphor [Taserface](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKLrDtaqFMI).",
"he was a goddamn socialist lol",
"I was just writing a comment about this and stopped half way after seeing that it's literally just trolls in this thread. I don't know what's happening but holy shit is this a war zone.\n\nIt seems like an /r/thedonald raid.",
"Are you saying MLK was for deplatforming people? that doesnt seem right.",
">trump flat out said that immigrants from shitty countries are inherently worthless compared to immigrants from places like Norway.\n\nWe have no idea what exactly he said so I don't see how you can claim that he \"flat out said\" something.\n\nI don't doubt that he referred to those countries as shitholes but we have no proof that he said \"all immigrants from those countries are inherently worthless\". ",
"I just dont take that as a forceful censorship. are you saying trump couldn't just remove the hand? it's not the point of the picture. its mlk telling someone to think before they speak like a parent would their child. where he is saying trump should never speak is lost on me.",
"MLK gave his \"I have a dream speech\" in 1963, he died in 1968\n\nBy the time he died, he had stated that his dream had become a nightmare, that he feared he was attempting to integrate his people into a burning house, and said this:\n\n> Whites, it must frankly be said, are not putting in a similar mass effort to reeducate themselves out of their racial ignorance. It is an aspect of their sense of superiority that the white people of America believe they have so little to learn. The reality of substantial investment to assist Negroes into the twentieth century, adjusting to Negro neighbors and genuine school integration, is still a nightmare for all too many white Americans … These are the deepest causes for contemporary abrasions between the races. Loose and easy language about equality, resonant resolutions about brotherhood fall pleasantly on the ear, but for the Negro there is a credibility gap he cannot overlook. He remembers that with each modest advance the white population promptly raises the argument that the Negro has come far enough. Each step forward accents an ever-present tendency to backlash.\n\nIf he were alive today, it's true people would criticize him. There will always be Malcolm X figures thinking he was too moderate. But the bulk of criticism would be from the people calling him an anti-white, race-baiting divider because he dared point out that white people need to actually do something to mend the racial schism, or else there would be no future where people aren't judged by their skin.",
"> if true\n\nSeriously? Dozens of separate, reliable reports from both parties, and you're still acting as if it's possible the president isn't lying when he denies what he said?\n\nThe principle of credibility applies here. Claims of this comment not being true just do not demonstrate credibility.\n",
"There is 100% an economic dimension to racial injustice in this country. ",
"How? How does country of origin equate to one's race? \n\nIf Australia were to say, \"We don't want anyone from that shithole country of the United States to legally immigrate here\", is that racist? There's a ridiculous amount of different races of people in America. \"American\" is not a race, it's a label by country of origin. Does that mean Australia hates... white people? Black people? Latino people? Asian people? \n\nOr does it not apply because Trump isn't the Australian Prime Minister?",
"The default subs get really awful sometimes, especially /r/videos. I'm not entirely sure what the deal is either.",
"Nice. Did you pull those out of your ass? Hillary sucks. Trump sucks. Fox is a joke. Republicans aren’t worth a damn thing. But keep thinking you know everything ",
"He silenced the ideology of overt white supremacy. ",
"I have a dream, where everyone shuts the fuck up and listens to me.",
"Because there is no principaled opposition. There isn’t a single left leaning figure willing to non violently oppose trump. Bashing the fasch will only make the fasch win.",
"I think people go way too far with the outrage and being offended by essentially nothing (with Trump as well as in general), but I don't think this is one of those times. Like with a lot of things, the racism here is just below the surface. It's definitely open to interpretation, and no one can say for sure what he meant (although it's not like we don't have a preponderance of evidence that would suggest exactly what he meant). But for example, the idea of voter ID laws being racist. I don't know anything about the topic so I won't pretend I do, but that's a classic example of something that has been argued to impact minorities disproportionately, and therefore be \"racist.\" On the face of it, it's got nothing to do with race; you have to have ID to vote. Everyone does. Not racist. But when you look at the actual effect of it, it hits minorities harder, and therefore can be used as a \"racist\" tool. Again I have no idea whether that's true or not, I've just seen it discussed a lot, and it's the concept of it that I'm trying to get at here, not the veracity of the example. \n\nSimilarly, Trump referring to some countries as \"shitholes\" and wanting immigrants from other \"non shithole\" countries is not necessarily racist on the face of it. A country can be (and many are) a shithole regardless of the skin color of those who inhabit it. But when he specifically says that some \"brown\" countries are shitholes and then follows up by saying we should take more people from Norway... you can't ignore that context. What he (likely) really means starts to become more clear. ",
"Reddit agrees with this comment. Look at the upvotes. ",
"I don't believe that, perhaps in some RARE cases it's true, but I think it's a hyperbolic figure of speech from one side. I highly doubt there are very many politicians in general who hate themselves, they all seem quite happy to push their own views without much concern for nuance and moderation these days.",
">And I agree with you that MLK would most likely be against identity politics, and would have a big problem with a lot of the hyper liberal ideas \n\nBruh.\n\nMLK was a socialist. \"Identity politics\" is the rightwing PC word for \"Civil rights.\" \n\n\nThe left things gay marriage should be recognized federally THIS PC CULTURE IS OUT OF CONTROL IDENTITY POLITICS\n\nThe left wants to address police brutality against minorities. The right screams IDENTITY POLITICS THIS IS WHY YOU LOST\n\nThe right tries to force you to prove your gender to use a damn bathroom, the left fights against this discrimination against transgenders NOPE IDENTITY POLITICS THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TRUMP\n\n",
"I generally don’t like images like this because it’s generally unhelpful to be guessing (yes, guessing) at the reaction of somebody who’s been dead for fifty years. We don’t know. Nobody knows. I don’t have an alternate universe machine and neither do you. \n\nAnd beyond that, he was a great American, but he wasn’t infallible. Even if he is on your side, who’s to say he’d be right? A lot of people from that era aren’t in step with modern issues. That’s the problem with hero worship. ",
"Garbage reddit and their garbage attempts of pushing an agenda",
"MLK's dream of colorblindness was a goal, not an immediate blueprint for solving entrenched racism. Justice would not be immediately stopping to see race when he gave the speech, it would be dismantling the white supremacy endemic in our nation's institutions. Which requires acknowledging the existence of race. ",
" Agreed. MLK would have likely had more class than this.",
"In that case I suppose it would just be prejudiced or bigoted. And it doesn't matter at all to me that it's Trump saying it, anyone calling for discrimination in that matter should be called out.",
"Again, you resort to petty insults instead of engaging in discussion. I don't \"have trouble with basic ideas like logic\", but since you think I'm just a big dummy compared to your giant, genius brain, how about you enlighten me about why Trump is a white supremacist. All you've said is basically \"he's a white supremacist and if you don't agree you are stupid or uninformed, bottom line\". Really winning hearts and minds. We aren't talking about Trump's business practices. ",
"like said, white people don't have people that start riots because a criminal got shot.",
"> If you lived in Alabama, and someone said,\n\nHey now, me and my sister got married in Alabama, and we thought it was a real nice place.",
"Let's trust his niece over his wife and children. ",
"Oh my god this is horrifying.\n\nIs this really what some people think MLK stood for?",
"Go to top > past year and do a search for \"US Politics.\" There are 11 results of specifically tagged submissions alone with many others that aren't tagged among them. The fight to keep r/pics from going political was lost long ago. ",
"I hope the person that made this doesn't disclose what they truly felt. I was able to see multiple views on the meaning of this piece because there isn't a concrete message",
"Thank you. I'm so sick of the fascists on all sides trying to silence ideas. There's nothing wrong with any idea, and we should be encouraging debate, not silence.\n",
"“kids are out of school today. “\n\nGoes for you too buddy",
"Uhhh he would censor somebody and repress them? I think not. ",
"Found the context for anyone else interested. \n\n>During an April 2011 radio interview with Talk1300 in Albany, Donald Trump stated, \"I have a great relationship with the blacks. I've always had a great relationship with the blacks.\"\n\nSome pretty hateful words spoken there. A true racist. /s\n\nCould he have been more tactful in how he said it. Definitely. Is what he said racist? Definitely not.\n\nTrump is a man child that is egotistical and extremely sexist. That said, I still have not seen anything coming out of his non filtered mouth that indicates he is racist. ",
"Why does this have so many upvotes? All the comments are negative ",
"My point is that no one can definitively say that it was a racist statement. To conclude it is racially motivated is to make assumptions and logical leaps. It is perfectly reasonable to think that Haiti was in the front of his consciousness since it is near to us, has been in the news semi-recently, is currently known to be a devastated and exploited location, and accepts a ton of aid money from the US.\n\nIn contrast, without looking at a map or Googling something, name a shithole Eastern European country. Maybe I'm just dumb, (very possible) but I can't even think of the names of half of the countries in that area. I couldn't point out Hungary on a map. These places tend to immigrate to the EU before the US, and therefore are not even on Trump's limited radar. Of COURSE the countries he rattles off immediately would be the stereotypical \"shitholes.\"\n\nThe comment was wrong, no doubt. But it can not be 100% iron-clad guaranteed to have been racist. (It probably was. But that's not the point)",
"It's just a coincidence that every single shithole country mentioned (and an entire *continent* in the case of Africa) was majority nonwhite, and the country he'd accept immigrants from was overwhelmingly Nordic and white?\n\nNo, it is not a coincidence, and the president is a racist.",
"There the proletariat goes again, skewing history to suit the party.\n\nYou pieces of shit would have silenced him and pushed him aside just like Ben Carson. \"He's a uncle Tom\" you would say. While supporting groups calling for resegregation of schools. Disgusting ",
"This is the obvious meaning. The only reaction \"conservatives\" have to somebody bringing up anything involving race is getting defensive and pretending they're the victim, because they have no intellectual defense for their president being an abysmal person with the intellect of a poorly behaved 4th grader. So, boom, it becomes \"hurr durr don't censor Trump!!\"",
"Imo the Democratic party needs to sort it's shit out.\n\nOprah Winfrey? Dwayne Johnson?\n\n**Hilary Clinton!?**",
"Trump, is that you?? Tell me your button is bigger than mine. :D",
"> he'd MUCH rather have Trump tweeting openly so that Trump's views could be debated and challenged, rather than silenced so they could simmer under the surface\n\nWhen the Republican Party nominated Goldwater, he urged \"every Negro and white person of good will\" to vote against him and disavow any Republican that did not condemn him.\n\nYour idea that he would just sit back and allow Trump to be Trump doesn't fit what MLK actually did when he dealt with a Trump-like figure. He actively worked to shut Goldwater down. In fact, opposing Goldwater is one of the only times he openly dealt with any political candidate.",
"Oh man thanks , I didn’t notice",
"An opinion piece. You got me convinced.",
"> haitans have aids\n\nHaiti has the highest percentage of population with AIDS in the region, which you'd know if you bothered to even google it before calling someone racist\n\n>africans and huts\n\nSeems like an obvious shorthand for \"do you think they'll want to leave the US, where the per capita GDP is like 20 times higher than in Nigeria\". But like usual, the left skips right past the substance of a statement to find a way to make it into something racist. You aren't taken seriously.",
"Cute but trump is the last person that would admit trump sucks",
"What a disrespectful image of MLK.",
"Exactly, it's like they have never in their lives experienced satire before. I guarantee they have SNL blocked from their TVs at this point in time. ",
"brilliant.",
"Well, the Voter ID laws are absolutely not racist. They impact everyone equally. Just because some people can't \"afford\" an extraordinarily cheap state-issued non-driver identification doesn't mean the law is \"targeting\" them. It's a way of people taking advantage of the fact that they can play the victim and get sympathy as an \"oppressed group\". \n\n>What he (likely) really means \n\n...is based on your opinion, as well as anyone else's. We as a society have thrown the concept of \"proof\" and \"facts\" out the window and are instead starting to make judgments based on opinions and feelings. Popular opinion says Trump said countries are shitholes because he's a racist? That means that he said countries are shitholes because he's a racist! \n\nI'm not a huge fan of the guy, I'm not a supporter, I didn't vote for him... but don't you think it's about time we stop letting the mainstream media just create these headlines, top stories, & narratives and maybe say, \"Hey, CNN... MSNBC... can you back this story up with some credible sources and proof?\" \n\nThen again, maybe we can't... because nowadays asking for proof makes you a Trump-supporting, misogynistic, racist, xenophobic bigot.",
"So, you’re straight-up pro-censorship. You think the state should be in the business of silencing those whose views it deems dangerous to society.\n\nI get the argument. I vehemently disagree and will fight to keep this from being reality, but I get it.",
"You sound like a conspiracy theorist talking about Russians brute forcing the comments on a reddit post. ",
"He's obviously telling Trump not to tweet in this picture. That's why you can see the phone with the twitter logo on it. \n\nWhich may be a little beneath MLK, if only because you don't have to be a legendary civil rights leader to tell the president not to threaten nuclear war via the internet",
"This post is a piece of shit. R/pics is a fucking shithole.",
"That we can agree..enjoy an upvote.",
"Butthurt rightwingers below upset that ACLU, ADL, etc are legit, successful, organizations no matter how hard Trump cries and calls them failing.",
"I see you brought your vote-brigading comrades with you. ",
"You want me to talk to you? Don't call me brainwashed. It's too late now, though.\n\nI also don't call people who have different opinions to me \"enemies\". Is that how you see the world? ",
"Only a tad. The venn diagram is damn near one circle.",
"Dozens? \n\nDick Durbin (who had previously lied about a meeting during the Obama administration) initially made the claim... and two Senators who were just as far away from Trump as Durbin was claimed to have not heard him use those words. \n\nLots of people say the Earth is flat. Is the Earth flat? \nLots of people say Scientology is truth. Is Scientology truth? \nLots of people say lots of things. Does it make it true?",
">That is not a benchmark for success.\n\nWhat *exactly* do you consider the benchmark for success?\n\n> They have strayed from their mission. They no longer defend free speech\n\nProof? (you won't)",
"I see you're another one of those \"I'm going to voice my opinion, and that will become real-world fact\" people.",
"well that’s not an answer to my question. ",
"The whole point is that he needs to listen to others, not that he should never speak again. I swear to god it's like nobody hear understands this fucking picture. This isn't about censorship. That's YOUR political opinion seeping in. ",
"Find me a gay person who gives a shit. ",
"sit down\n\n(Hol' up lil' bitch, hol' up lil' bitch) be humble\n\n(Hol' up, bitch) sit down\n\n(Sit down, hol' up, lil' bitch)\n\nBe humble (bitch)",
"Letting black people speak without being oppressed by the government? its exactly what he stood for. ",
"I think you misunderstood the court's ruling on that issue. They said that the people suing did not have standing to file, not that they were exonerating Trump - it said that Congress would have to determine that case. ",
"This was the distinction that BLM was trying to make.\n\nYes, there are economic aspects at play that would be beneficial to minorities and all Americans. But, racial issues are a much larger problem and the economic issues of minorities cannot be solved without first addressing the racism.\n\nYou're making an \"all lives matter\" type argument here. This logic was the impetus for [this cartoon](http://chainsawsuit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/20141204-patreon-590x210.png). Racism isn't the only issue facing minorities, but you can't address the others until it is addressed. ",
"How are the economies of African countries and Norway? Labor skill? Education? \n\nLet's say every human being had colorless, transparent skin. Based on acquired value and benefit to the United States, where would you rather your immigrants come from?",
"My bad.",
"Oh his niece....well that changes EVERYTHING! Is there second or third cousin whose opinion we can use to justify our racism as well? \n\nYou know Obama's Kenyan brother spoke against him as well. LMAO. ",
"Someone actually gilded this. I didn't know 14 year olds could afford Reddit gold. ",
"You think BLM is a terrorist organization, obviously you don't like MLK. ",
"Godwin's law",
"Who determines what ideas are worth debate, if there not worth debate you should be able to defeat them pretty easily ",
"Love this. Take that, Racist Trump!",
"They're not facts. ",
"No....he is a fucking idiot. That is why people hate him.",
"MLK Jr quotes:\n\n“They segregated southern money from the poor whites; they segregated southern mores from the rich whites; they segregated southern churches from Christianity; they segregated southern minds from honest thinking; and they segregated the Negro from everything.”\n\n“And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.”\n\n“I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic.”\n\n“A true revolution of values will soon look uneasily on the glaring contrast of poverty and wealth.”\n\n“Our only hope today lies in our ability to recapture the revolutionary spirit and go out into a sometimes hostile world declaring eternal hostility to poverty, racism, and militarism.”\n\n\"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to \"order\" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says \"I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action,” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a \"more convenient season.”\"\n\n\"And one day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth.’ When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society.”\n\n",
"All unemployment is at a low. ",
"r/pics is a shithole",
"Prejudiced fits the bill more. He's discriminating against a specific country's (or continent's) citizens because of the state of their government / society / economy. It's extremely discriminatory and wrong... but to scream \"racism\" just because it's easy? C'mon.",
"It’s not silencing him it’s advising him ",
"Maybe your reading comprehension is underdeveloped. That would explain why you dont think trump is racist. See....in that OPINION PIECE...are these little events that happened in reality. They are called FACTS. They really happened. And you can ignore all the opinion and analysis of those facts in that article if you want, but those facts still happened. Maybe use critical thinking instead of blind faith...assuming you have that ability.",
"No, it's a visual representation of asking trump to \"stop talking and start listening\"",
"That still has no bearing on the justice system's treatment of criminals, and you won't acknowledge that black criminals are given harsher punishments on average. \n\nAnd make up your mind. Either riots are a dumb way to protest a person getting shot, or the lack of them for white people shot by police means they are treated worse, despite getting less harsh punishments on average.\n\nOr don't make up your mind. I'm starting to realize this discussion just gives you more opportunities to mindlessly spout right wing talking points.",
"How do you know that no other leader takes him seriously? You must have some serious inside info.\n\nYes, Trump is full of hot air. So is every other President from our lifetime. Politicians are salesmen. They are good with gab.",
"That guy is a libtard. I wouldn't expect a whole lot of logic from them, it's doubtful that you could get them to explain anything or argue in good faith.",
"This is the best thing ever. \n\n.\n\n\"Dude...just...sssshhhh\"",
"So your pro-censorship, will see how that plays out",
"There were more than the one report, as you know.\n\nThe relevant question is credibility, and if, in the context of his track record, you're granting Donald Trump more credibility on this issue of what he said, than the others, you're not acting as principled as the opposition you're describing.",
"I don't think it's Astro turfing. I like the message.",
"yes it's trump's fault ",
"So far your main issue seems to be that it's not legal.\nSo am I safe to assume that if it was legal to help illegals it would be alright? Do you have absolute trust in the governement that you would rather conform to what they enforce rather than making the governement work for you? For the betterment of your community?\n\nWell what if state governements made it legal? Would that make it alright? What if the federal gov in the next election decides to open it's borders to all? Would you be ok with that if it's the law?\n\nWell who establishes these laws? Isn't it the same people who decide what is \"just\".\n\nSomeone trying to ban open carry at a federal level has no clue how essential it could be for someone living in the country. This is why we have such issues till this day, despite our right to arms being in the constitution.\n\nYou seem to be pushing the idea that ultimately it is the majority that decides what is the norm and what is moral and immoral right? But this tends to change with **progress** right? \n\nThese cities made the choice to help these people. By breaking **en masse** some laws they saw unjust. It's not just a couple of crazy people deciding whats right or wrong. This is a large portion of society that believes that these measures were unjust and thus are trying to do the humane thing as opposed to the legal thing.\n\nWhat do you think happened to the first protester of unjust laws? Of course there is retribution for breaking the law but when enough people believe that the law is wrong, it will eventually change. This is what these cities are trying to accomplish.\n\nEdit: uhh oookay... I didn't quote him because I thoughts his view on slavery were ok. I quoted him becauese some people give weight to his opinion regarding our current system of governance since he was one of the people helping to create it.",
"Tell me what it is, your just slapping fascism as an label onto the alt right to compare them to Nazis when there are zero comparisons, if its so easy to define why not type it in here ",
"Not true.",
"The proof of his racism is in the dozens of public and private racist statements he's made, his support and defense of racist and supremacist individuals and organizations, and in the many legal claims against him which document racist business and personal practices.\n\nThe president has been telling us all along who he is and what he believes. It's time we started listening to that. He's proven himself a racist many times over.",
"They absolutely are.\n\nBut let’s not pretend like all the people to whom they are offering sanctuary could actually be deported. You can’t just deport a Chinese or Laotian citizen with a US criminal record. No one will accept them. ",
"Thanks Obama!",
"Not even, I was describing what I was seeing. Can people here really not understand what descriptive language looks like?",
"Didn’t Donald trump just meet with his family and deem their home a national monument? I don’t think MLK would shush that. ",
"MLK would not silence Trump!\n\n\n\nJust here for the karma ",
"I'm asking which fake news source led you to believe she is MLK's daughter? It's an often repeated lie I was wondering if there's a common source it comes from. ",
">I think organizations like the ACLU, ADL, Center for Reproductive Rights, etc., have been a model of principled opposition\n\nLOL\n",
"right, and when he says slanty eyed, he just means the shape of the people's eyelids are oblong and their eyelid hood covers much of the eye. \n\nOnly person not taken seriously is trump, which is why i'm not worried about him doing any lasting damage. He's toothless, enjoy the next 6 months :)",
"no, it wasn't!\n\nedit: still, obamas deportations weren't coupled with oval office meetings with racist tirades. ",
"You clearly have some reading up to do on the subject of voter suppression.\n\nHere is a good article:\nhttps://www.researchgate.net/publication/312108409_Voter_Identification_Laws_and_the_Suppression_of_Minority_Votes\n\nThere is a WHOLE lot more on the subject, a light google will find plenty of reading material for you.",
">There are plenty of predominantly white shithole countries too\n\nAnd isn't it interesting how Trump didn't name a single one of those?",
"I hope so. Both are a shitty ideology that killed thousands. Instead of rebranding shitty economic systems why don't people try to come up with something new and innovative? Especially don't choose a system that has shown to be responsible for massive amounts of death.",
"Read that as “Shawarma hunters”. I must be hungry.",
"Whats the matter, cant answer my simple question?\n\n\"I don't have trouble with basic ideas like logic\" but refuses to answer a simple question to disprove it. Sure buddy. \n\nAlso I have said the evidence is there, not take my word for it. Get off your lazy ass and google it. And I also provided other logical reasons why someone would still say he isnt based on the evidence available. So...still waiting for answer.",
" the Donald constantly talk about Michelle Obama being a man cause she has toned arms? ",
"MLK is rolling in his grave. This shit is disrespectful to his legacy.",
"https://i.redd.it/zg0l6jlp8jjy.jpg\n\nBoth these where taken at berkley. ",
"If you're anonymously \"selling\" units of property for many times their listed value to foreign interests and then acting in the interests of those governments, then you aren't providing services for payment. \n\nIf some congressman was \"selling luxury commemorative pens\" from his office at $1 million each, and coincidentally acting in the interests of the people who bought them, that wouldn't be partisanship to call it bribery and corruption. ",
"Calling trump racist is extremely insensitive to those who actually suffered under real systematic racial oppression",
"Everyone should just tweet this to trump and see if it sparks a response.",
"Yep Ben Shapiro who gets protested everywhere he goes is a nazi! ",
"You don't understand he wants to put a bullet through your skull during your revolution. And you think you're ready for a 'social revolution'...",
"Did some searching. Been a few years since it happened. Can't find anything. Doesn't help that all my searches are plagued with stuff about Trump. Maybe I slipped into an alternate universe because I swear it was a thing at a university once. \n\nEither way many of these people hardly live by his teachings, and actively go against it. Heck they even made up their own definition of racism that is racist in itself. That whole privilege plus power thing. Suggesting only certain races/class/sex/orientation/ect can be racist. ",
"better at diplomacy? It was a racist rant, not some diplomatic faux pas. It's fucking shameful man! It's embarassing...\n\nWhen your great aunt starts spewing this shit at the thanksgiving dinner table everyone recoils, call a spade a spade dude",
"I know the media told your friends Trump is the bad guy and you now blindly hate on him because you really want to be popular. All angsty twenty somethings do that. I guess you never really got over the external validation phase. But you should seriously consider NOT defiling MLK's memory with your kindergarten level understanding of politics.",
"!RemindMe 6 months",
"Uh, I seem to remember the Democratic presidential candidate of 2016 (ya know, *the leader of the fucking party*) calling Trump voters \"Deplorables,\" \"bigots,\" \"racists,\" \"misogynist,\" etc.... Somehow I doubt she was talking about minority Trump supporters. ",
"I don't think anyone stands with antifa",
"Look at his username",
"Okay, but who is making the assertion. ALL the evidence points to one thing, and the majority of people agree to that reality, but a few dissenters assert its otherwise. Whose burden?\n\nAnd when the people who believe the agreed upon reality provide tons of facts and evidence and reasoned arguments that succinctly explain why they believe this, and that minority of dissenters plug their ears or refuse to acknowledge it...what do you do?\n\nThe problem with immersing yourself in right wing propaganda or people who dont associate outside of their bubbles come to believe the whole world thinks the same as they do, and since in their circles, people like liberals (or whatever the opposing view is) are a small minority, they think that is how the whole world is, when in reality they are the minority opinion. And they cannot handle that. I know because I used to be a brainwashed conservative right winger myself. Evangelical on top of that.\n\nSo...who is making the aasertion and what do you do when someone outright rejects a mountain of evidence? Perfect example, flat earthers.",
"Yeah people should be very civil with the odd 30% of the population that despises us. Sure mate I'm happy to talk to anybody, but they have no new ideas, no solutions just same old bullshit. There's an argument for the right in Europe. The GOP is without any redeeming features. Any supposed principles have been exposed as subservient to standing behind their man. You want me, and people more affected by trump, to be principled opposition? There are no principles that would get through. They stand behind people who predated upon children. I was done then, and I'm not starting up the empathy again. You refer to MLK like he was at all popular or respected. He wasn't, he had lower approval ratings than trump, because he did have principles and he was principled. You think if we just calm down and be measured and logical it'll suddenly bridge the divide? Fuck no it won't, it didn't and it won't. What will save or doom America is them waking up to certain facts and opinions on one's wild and fellow man. I'd also be curious how much time you spend telling trump supporters, who I'd remind you run all three branches of government, most state legislatures, etc. that if they should change the behaviour. They have the power, and they use it to oppress. You want principled opposition it's out there, you just don't like the roar of the marginalised and it makes you uncomfortable. ",
"Yah what the fuck. The term conservative has been so far thrown out of left field. Fuck me I vote conservative in my country while my SO votes NDP.\n\n100 idiots with tiki torches doesn't make up the millions of people who just like the old ways better. ",
"I think MLK would be a huge supporter of the Don. They are bith outsiders fighting for great things for the people. Disconnect yourself from the brainwashing and reexamine Trump if you're one of the non believers or haters. This man is doing for the country things that MLK would admire and the machine and dems want to keep lying to you and keep you down. ",
"No just the ones he pees on ",
"This is the type of stuff I see on /r/cringeanarchy",
"> I think we should be better than that. \n\nAt this point, I think the only appropriate response to you is *Jesus fucking Christ, get over it.*",
"Let em know\n\n#FUCK LIBERALS ",
"Haiti has an adult literacy rate at about 60%. Meanwhile, Norway has 100% literacy rate. Keep in mind how low the bar is being set here. We're talking ADULTS who can't even read. \n\n",
"I was with you until you said opposing long-standing federal law was principled opposition against Trump.",
"I don’t know, the identity focused left these days seems explicitly to focus more on group traits like skin color than individual character. I’d argue MLK’s agenda and the left’s agenda aren’t overlapping very much. ",
"Has trump blasted any of those orgs? Its the media that is failinh.",
"To take your hypothetical, I'd rather immigrants to the United States came from the lost city of Atlantis, since that has just as much real-world basis as the ridiculous example you provided.\n\nEvery person does not have identical skin color or ways of speaking, so let's keep rhetorical examples grounded in fact rather than fiction, k?\n\nThere are plenty of majority-white \"shitholes\" out there: Belarus, Kosovo, Serbia, and others. These are clearly not what came to the president's mind when he thinks shithole; only majority-nonwhite countries did. \n\nAnd instead of selecting examples of other countries with desirably highly skilled, highly educated citizens like Japan, India, or Nigeria, he chose Norway.\n\nThat tells us a lot about him. ",
"Only straight LIBERAL trash would like this garbage \n\n7 More years mother fuckers",
"Even his niece? It's funny seeing appeals to authority where the authority is twice removed from the guy who holds that authority. Looks like the apologists are out in full force to try to defend this piece of shit president. Tomorrow you'll be back to talking about black crime and how oppressed white Christians are.",
"> principled\n\nOh, so antifa members that randomly beat people and riot and shame anyone at Google who doesn't think like them aren't a good reaction?\n\nShocker",
"Shhh, you are upsetting the circlejerk.",
"Who upvotes it?",
"> Principled opposition would complain about the 'shithole countries' comment \n\nNo, they wouldn't, because it cannot be confirmed Trump said that \n \n #fakeNews",
"> I don't think it's befitting a president to be saying racist shit.\n\nYou have sources 100% verifiable he said that? Or do you just have\n\n #fakeNews",
"Stop talking?? Where's the freedom of speech? How about let him talk just like any other citizen no matter how stupid the things he says are?",
"> Openly debating someone with bad ideas and proving your point is always preferential to silencing someone whose views don't fall in line with yours.\n\nGoogle would of done well to heed your advice w/ James Damore.",
"Do you just get your information from what you want to be true? Do you know what the diversity lottery is? It's not let some random black dudes in, it's that they have a chance to be considered and tested upon all the other metrics. When presented with the fact that people will still come from \"shit hole countries\" trump says why. Why do we want people from shit hole countries, which are just by coincidence not white ones. And y'all will jack off to it's not racist because it's true they're shit holes, it's not racist because it should be merit based, etc. Ignoring what he actually said. Sure. Read this on the why. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7pv08v/a_new_low_the_world_is_furious_at_trump_for_his/dsk8sbi\n\nI'll enjoy your lack of a response. ",
"For one, she did not say they were all \"deplorable bigots\". She acknowledged that many Trump supporters were frustrated economically and needed to be understood and empathized with. Why did you ignore that and choose to think she was making a racist comment?\n\nAnd two, the fact that you took it as a direct attack towards all white men (they don't all vote GOP) tells me it's you that is obsessed with race. Her VP choice was a white man, and the runner up in the primaries was a white man.",
"Justify racism lol?? What racist thing has Trump said. I'll wait. And don't give me the classic, HE CALLED ALL MEXICANS RAPISTS!, bullshit lol I'm talking something from his mouth, not a reporter or 'anonymous sources say'.\n\nYou think MLK was for censorship? Are you that dense? ",
"> There is nothing we could reasonably expect of him that would solve this issue.\n\nOkay, that's just ignorant. This would have always been solved if he had turned his assets over to a blind trust when he took office, same as EVERY president in modern history has done. \n\nYou're absolutely wrong that he couldn't have avoided this, the way for him to avoid it was abundantly clear, he was repeatedly told that he had to, and he ignored the advice. He chose to put himself in the position of having those conflicts of interest voluntarily, and benefitting from the foreign money flowing into his companies while he is president. ",
"Gotta get your agenda pushed somehow on reddit",
"Saying \"Dead person would of ______\"\n\nIs pushing your own agenda.",
"LOL You skipped a pretty important part there, Chief Cherry-Picker:\n\n> But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. **These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard.**\n\nNow, I don't know that King would actually *lead* riots in our modern situation. I can admit to some hyperbole there, but it is to make a point - he *absolutely* would be leading and advocating for civil unrest and for massive public demonstration.",
"If only more people could have half the common sense you are talking about here...",
"It's it really a strawman if I've been called exactly that for exactly the same reason? No",
"I never said it was directed at Trump.\n\nI’ve lived in a sanctuary city for a LOT longer than Trump has been President. ",
"I agree. However, I really appreciate the symbolism.",
"You don't have to go around narrating your life.",
"That's how many illegals voted in California",
"I am upvoting you for speaking the truth. ",
"OK Darth",
"Minus the illegal alien votes and he did",
"At what point will you start to see that it is lack of money, and poverty as a child that is a much bigger Factor than race with any sort of outcome?",
"Probably the best painting I've seen on Reddit. ",
"> This is obviously MLK would favor shutting Trump's mouth over debate\n\nI'll vehemently disagree with \"obviously\" - you can choose to perceive things however you want, but that doesn't make it obvious or even the norm (and you can see that from the number of comments here). \n\nBut I do agree with the assertion (that neither of us can be sure of) that Trump and MLK likely wouldn't be friends. I didn't say the friend part because I thought they would be, but more because I don't see this as a hostile situation. Someone you don't know tries to silence you by putting his/her hand over your mouth? Well, you're not reacting the way Trump looks to in the pic - you're knocking away their hand and your face is going to look angry. So I don't see this rooted in any sort of reality should MLK be alive today. I think that MLK is patronizing Trump and telling him to stop hurting himself by continuing to tweet, not that MLK is silencing Trump (a hostile act by really any measure) in favour of debating him. ",
"That's assuming he gets a second term. I don't really care one way or the other",
"I definitely think there are cases where censorship is justified, but I don't ever want that to be the state's doing. That's just fashy in its own right imo. Long term, I want a community that knows when to engage and when to walk away -- and an audience that knows walking away isn't an admission of defeat. Short term, I just want major platforms to stop hosting these people.\n\nIt still abides completely by the First Amendment, but I suppose I wouldn't argue against someone calling that censorship. So sure, I'm pro-censorship, if you like.",
"Uh I...how do I get in on that",
"And why should I answer an unrelated question when we're talking about a completely different subject? \n\nBut no, keep on with your 'hurr durr cant even answer a simple questin u r dum\" attitude. \"Get off your lazy ass and google it\" basically means \"I think I'm right, but I'm not going to try to prove it, so go research why I am right for me\", which I am not going to do. \n\nActually defend your points with reasons, logic, and examples, or stop pretending like you have any ground to stand on. \n\nI'm still waiting on you to answer my \"simple question\", which you can't do. What's the matter? \n\n\"If you were to say trump is a good businessperson, and I said I dont believe you, what are the logical reasons why I might not agree?\" This is not related to him being a white supremacist, it's just a strawman. ",
"Surely there is not an agenda in this sub!",
"He went to jail for protesting, he was not considered peaceful for that time. ",
"LOL, ok",
"Shit. Sorry dude. ",
"There's US senators confirming the quotes.\n\nThat + the long list of other racist nonsense he has said in the past confirms it enough for me.\n\n",
"> Okay, but who is making the assertion.\n\nLiterally just read up higher in the comments.\n\n>ALL the evidence points to one thing, and the majority of people agree to that reality, but a few dissenters assert its otherwise.\n\nWrong. Blatantly false, out of hand.\n\n\n>who believe the agreed upon reality\n\nIf you have to believe it to make it reality, it's not objective reality.\n\n>outside of their bubbles \n\nWe're talking about reddit here. \n\n>Perfect example, flat earthers.\n\nWhat are you going on about? ",
"There’s nobody claiming that any black person who’s not a neo-segregationist is an Uncle Tom, that’s a false dilemma. ",
"> There's *also* US senators saying the quotes never happened.\n\nFTFY\n\nDo you always just believe hearsay?",
"cool fan-fiction",
"Ok, well that was confusing because you replied to someone asking for PO to Trump and used that as an example.",
"Black men are more likely to go to prison/receive harsher sentences than white men for the same crime. Look it up. How is that \"treated better\"?????",
"Can someone digital paint this? I got ideas!",
"The point is that the accusation isn't justified. \"If you don't believe in better opportunities and different rules for black people, you are supporting racism\". Because that statement can be made doesn't mean that disagreeing with it means somebody is racist. Accusing those who disagree with your slightly racist position is racist...also lightly racist, but still racist. Let's not forget that this is all in an MLK thread. \"judged not by the colour of their skin\".\n\nIf you think Trump is a racist, there are probably 6 billion people on the planet who's racism you should be more concerned with. Be concerned with the defanged but still existing KKK and people like that. Not somebody who refers to Koreans as Koreans and blacks as if they're a different people...like many black people also do.\n\nPeople are not tired of being expected to be decent human beings. You're either trolling or you're part of the problem. Enjoy pushing normals towards President Trump. \"Tired of being called a racist when you aren't? Leftists have jumped the shark and are now openly racist. Vote for Trump.\"",
"The Google memo isn't bad if you read it it's Pro women in Tech, 90% of people are complaining on Twitter didn't even actually read it",
"they get people rioting for them.",
"fascism\n\nnoun fas·cism \\ ˈfa-ˌshi-zəm also ˈfa-ˌsi- \\\n\n1. anything I don't like",
"http://i.imgur.com/exl28vD.gif",
"Autocorrect, sorry. I enjoy *spotting* their biases. For example, Ben Shapiro has a lot of good, interesting things to say. And I watch him make \"you can just feel it's wrong; therefore it is wrong and you know it\" arguments against abortion, minutes after arguing against feelings arguments for a half hour. There's some cognitive dissonance probably because of his bias. ",
"I can't tell if your trying to help or hurt my argument. But I'll assume your trying to help my argument. That's not how you do it. ",
"All of his comments are essentially this:\n\nIf for any reason, you disagree with me, you are either a racist, a troll, or an idiot, and I am so much smarter than you and you're a piece of human trash. You're just a lazy piece of shit if you have a different opinion than me, because only the enlightened and educated such as myself know the truth. Oh, you want to know what that truth is? Just trust me on the grounds that \"everyone knows\" the things that I say. Oh, you want me to back it up? Just google it and do the leg work for me, stop being so lazy. \n\nTypical liberal holier-than-thou attitude which allows him to look down on people with other viewpoints. ",
"You're right about there being no proof, but not about there being no evidence. It's wrong to say \"This quote proves Donald Trump is racist,\" but not wrong to say \"This quote suggests Donald Trump might be racist.\"\n\n> If you lived in Alabama, and someone said, \"Fuck shithole Alabama\". Is that a personal insult toward you?\n\nOkay, let's amend that statement to \"Fuck shithole Alabamans\", since that's closer to what Trump actually said. He was insulting the people as much as the countries. I'd feel insulted, yeah. But Alabama is about 70% white and 30% black. South Sudan, probably the shittiest of all the shitholes in Africa, is over 99% black.\n\nIf I said \"Fuck the shithole South Sudan and the people there\" . . . I'm talking almost exclusively about black people, and this is evidence (maybe weak evidence, in a Bayesian sense) of my being racist. It's evidence in the sense that I'm more likely to say it if I don't like black people. Much more likely, probably.",
"From the thumbnail it looked like MLK was giving Trump a straight right jab to the mouth. I'm a little disappointed. ",
"I think MLK was assassinated because he was too good of a Republican. In addition to his civil rights campaign he was telling his own communities to stop blaming others and take responsibility for their own actions. He was about to actually help minorities' education and economic status, by inspiring them to help themselves, and it was working too. 'They' killed him and returned to the dependency model.",
"\nYou have it wrong. The consensus opinion among the whole planet is hes a racist. All the facts support it, that is reality. YOU are the minority who is coming into the argument asserting he isnt (despite mountains of evidence otherwise). YOU are the one who hasnt been paying attention or in denial the whole time. You slept through class all semester and now are demanding its everyone elses job to catch you up on everything you missed. Its not Schrodingers trump racism...it exists or doeant depending on whether you look or not. It exists and the evidence is there. And the fact that you still refuse to just open up google and look it up yourself says a lot about you...more than the reality of trumps racism or not.\n\nThe question is: If you were to say trump is a good businessperson, and I said I dont believe you, what are the logical reasons why I might not agree?\n\nGive me all the logical reasons why I would disagree with a \"known fact\". I need to know if you even have a basic grasp of logic (since you havent seemed to prove you do yet) to know if you can even understand any evidence provided. Otherwise...youre either too dumb, too stubborn, or too lazy. And thats a waste of time.\n\n",
"Agreed. But their very existence is what makes the nature of his comment NOT inherently racist. \n\nIs there some subtext to be had here? Probably. But we cannot say with 100% certainty, and that's the point.",
"Homophobes don’t hire gay people you say?\n\nTrump appointed a black man to the highest medical position in the country. He appointed a Jew as his advisor. Does this make him not a bigot based on the same test you applied to MLK?\n\nLOL",
"I can do that now. I was doing it before you asked me to. Are you recognizing the major role race has played/continues to play in who has/doesn't have money? Or the way it affects anti-poverty measures? ",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum\n\nActual basic logic, lol. ",
"Yet my family tells me to stop being argumentative when I let my dad go on a tirade about some ignorant bullshit at Thanksgiving.",
"> Watch your tone.\n\nOr you can stop being willfully ignorant, pretending these issues weren't addressed at the time. \n\n>Yeah, they wouldn’t be giving up tens of millions of dollars to do it. \n\nThe amount he loses is irrelevant, a blind trust is the established norm for avoiding a conflict of interest. If he's that worried about divesting from his businesses, HE SHOULDN'T BE PRESIDENT. \n\nIt's an established process - sell the business properties, put the assets into the hands of a third party manager, and collect them after the end of the presidency. There is no debate about what would be sufficient or not, it was always clear how to go about ensuring conflicts of interest don't happen. \n\n>Not completely. He did make a trust. \n\nNo, he put his children in charge of his businesses, in many cases while those same children were given official government roles. ",
"California State University caved in to Black Lives Matter's demands and created a black only dorm. I was called an Uncle Tom and a house negro for stating that is regressive and not something a state university should be doing.\n\nAlso, there's no world in which my statement would have ever been a false dilemma.",
"You seem to make a lot of assumptions. I laid out logically all the reasons someone would not know a simple fact that is well documented. No one has disputed them, just name called and misrepresented my arguments. ",
"Seriously. It feels like Redditors try to out moderate each other at high points of uncomfortable discussion to show how elevated they are from the discourse. Everyone in this comment section should give an honest read to MLK's Letter from Birmingham Jail.",
"Oh yeah, we're the name callers.\n\n>Otherwise...youre either too dumb, too stubborn, or too lazy. And thats a waste of time.\n\n>Maybe use critical thinking instead of blind faith...assuming you have that ability.\n\n>Just get off your physically and intellectually lazy ass and google it\n\n\nAll quotes from you. \nYeah, you're the victim. poor you. ",
"Im not arguing its true because people believe it though....so....fail? Im saying its true because it is true and the facts back it up. But conservatives live in this illusion that their beliefs are the majority so anyone who challenges that is the minority and somehow no matter which side conservatives are on, and whether or not they are the majority or minority, the burden of proof mysteriously always falls on the other side",
"The fact that a diversity of poor countries exist and he chose to highlight only those with a certain majority racial makeup is *exactly* what makes his comments racist.",
"All this comment does is reveal how much a joke *you* are.\n\noh plus this amazing example of modern rightwing principles!\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/D1E4KYC.png",
"That's not what they said. \n\nYou should learn to read better before screeching FAKENEWS at everything you dislike.\n\nedit: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/01/16/sens-cotton-and-perdue-are-outed-for-lying-on-trumps-behalf/?utm_term=.69c4738c3700\n\noh hey look Cotton and Perdue were proven lying. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?",
"me too thanks",
"MLK was a democratic socialist and wouldn't have seen eye to eye with our current president on anything.https://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/11-most-anti-capitalist-quotes-from-martin-luther-king-jr/\n",
"BLM are terrorists. Also, I like MLK (minus the whoring around). So you’re a grade A fucking idiot now, aren’t you, cuckmouth?",
"What are these facts that back it up? You're arguing through the teeth but have provided /nothing/ other than I'm supposed to take it on faith that \"everyone knows this\" and that it's a \"known fact\" and not an opinion. When asked for clarification, I'm called stupid and lazy? Either agree with you or shut up! Don't ask you to actually, you know, defend the shit you spew. ",
"Did I assert I didnt? Cmon, please try to focus. Im getting bored. The difference is thats not ALL Ive done. Those are like...sprinkles of flavor to keep the dish exciting. Also it throws people off and makes them defensive and upsets them so they dont think straight. Oops...I might be giving away the game now.",
"Right now, it is principled opposition to our governor (Abbott) and our President (Trump). Before that it was pricipled opposition to Governor Perry and President Obama’s. Before that it was principled opposition to Bush (Both as our President and as our Governor). \n\nI live in the most diverse city in America. Immigrants (documented and undocumented) saved Houston after the oil and S&L collapses of the 1980’s. We aren’t too keen on kicking them out now. \n\nThe ACLU is almost 100 years old. They existed long before Trump. Sanctuary cities are no different. They have been around a long time. Trump tried to pull federal funding to sanctuary cities, a move which has been blocked. So all he effectively did was make sanctuary cities easier for undocumented immigrants to identify. ",
"Citation needed. Where is ACLU no longer defending free speech? Or are you grouping ACLU in with the larger hyper-liberal extreme left?",
"I refuse to call something racist without it actually being racist. It was more of a slight against culture, really.",
">actually drinking this much kool-aid\n\nlol trumpers",
"slight against culture. holy shit",
"You people are so lazy. Here is a beginning primer. Any one or two of these is enough to label someone as racist.\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html",
"Sadly, THINKING about an issue and forming your own opinion, requires somewhat more effort than retweeting a 'sick burn' you found online and jumping on the outrage bandwagon...",
"That's not how you debate, it's called being an asshole and only serves to further entrench your opponent. \n\nOh, my mistakes, LOL U MADE PEOPL MAD! YOU GOT THEM ALL DEFENSIVE ! EPIC WIN LOLOL! \n\nI mistook you for someone with something to say. You don't need to insult someone to \"keep a dish exciting\", if you have logic on your side, that should be sufficent. Name calling is a sign of someone losing an argument, and I stop taking them seriously when they enter that domain, and I'm not the only one. If you want to make any real difference, change your \"game\". ",
"Gosh. Damn deep state. Smart enough to get 3 million fake votes in without leaving any actual proof behind but too incompetent to put them anywhere but a guaranteed blue state.\n\nYou live in a bubble.",
" Not so much censoring as it is telling him to SHUT THE FUCK UP once in a while",
"MLK was a socialist",
"Link to article of him saying he didn't say it? If this really isn't true I'd like to know where it came from. ",
"Federal law supersedes state or local law when it comes to immigration. It’s great if you and all the crybabies want to change the laws but until you do you can respect them. I don’t agree with many laws but I still abide by them. Protesting a law is completely different than breaking it. ",
"It isn't. The best embarrased gop senators can pull out is \"I don't recall\" not \"He didn't say it.\" but another GOP senator who was in the meeting confirmed Trump said it.\n\n SDresistor is a brainwashed trumpster who must lie to defend daddy trump at all costs.\n\nOther places in the thread he's actually pushing the \"MUH 3 MILLION ILLEGAL VOTERS TRUMP WON THE POPULAR VOTE\" idiocy.\n\n\nedit: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/graham-my-memory-hasn-t-evolved-meeting-where-trump-referred-n837796\n\nSenator Graham (R) and every other person in the meeting stands by their claim that trump made the shithole statement. Perdue and Cotton (notoriously a lying duplicitous shitbag) came forth with a written public statement that they 'did not recall' if trump made that statement. Earlier this morning those two changed their mind to defend trump. Cotton is being considered for position Trump needs to fill, and of course is going to defend him at all costs.",
"Holy shit....his entire existence is racist. \"Good people on both sides\", \"The Central Park 5 should get the death penalty\", \"Shithole countries\"\n\nYou think you know what MLK was about LMAO! ",
"You can cover his fat mouth, but his tiny hands are still on punchin away on twitter",
"lol people who don't want ID to vote",
"Wrong.\n\n**Georgia Republican Sen. David Perdue said Sunday that President Donald Trump did not use the phrase \"shithole countries\" during a meeting with lawmakers on immigration reform last week.**\n\nhttp://www.cnn.com/2018/01/14/politics/david-perdue-kirstjen-nielsen-daca/index.html",
"Thank you for saying this. I've gotten in a few debates with people on this site that insist that there is no such thing as racist against whites. Which is absolutely absurd. But those are the same people that think sanctuary cities are a positive thing for America so I don't expect much of their thinking to be based on realistic logic. ",
"That seems like you are holding the left and the right to very different standards. Nobody forced the alt-right to declare themselves as right-wing, they picked that label for themselves. \n\nIf we are just relying on anecdotal evidence like \"people I know\" then surely a group with a national voice as loud as theirs shows that the problem (at the absolute minimum) is on both sides.\n\nOn the flip side, it is very easy to say, \"I don't care about race,\" but it is another thing entirely to actually live that out. I don't think many folks would just come out and say, \"naw, I hate minorities\", but the numbers don't lie. Study after study has shown that black people face serious discrimination in the US in practically every avenue researched. \n\nIf we're looking at personal experience then I could easily point to my time in Texas. Everyone said that they \"don't care about race\", but their actions made it clear that was just false. They treat black people differently (poorly), won't go to the mexican part of town even though it isn't any worse than any other part of town, make racist jokes (then say, \"I'm only kidding around,\" but then proceed to have a conversation where they openly state they believe the joke's content), etc.",
"Where is the thinking part? \n\nIs his hand not over trumps mouth? \n\nIs he not making the shh gesture with the other hand? \n\n\n\n",
"> Seriously, why does everyone attribute that quote to Trump?\n\nSeriously? They most likely do that because it was Trump that said it, NOT his father. That's probably the reason... ",
"I hear ya. I think a good deal of the republican hesitation towards immigration stems from their perception of Liberal opinions on immigration. Liberals think assimilating is bad and encouraging it is racist. If you try to say that you think immigrants should assimilate you are labeled as racist. \n\nedit: sorry home sick with the flu and i'm not typing very well.\n\n",
"Literally not allowed to have a poor opinion of a minority no matter how they act or you're a racist/bigot. It's that simple. ",
"Questions: \n\nIf 100% of all politicians were Republicans right now, would abortion be legal? No.\n\nWould gay ~~torture~~ \"conversation\" camps be outlawed? No. \n\nWould trans people even be allowed to get a sex change? Doubtful. \n\nWould Muslims be accepted into the country *whatsoever* if not actively deported? No. \n\nAnd all of that is *before* the slide into more extremist views that always happen when a party gets absolute control. Even before that hateful evolution the Republican party is already a thread to those in marginalized groups. ",
"Wrong.\n\n**For the second time in less than a month, California's chief elections officer has refused to hand over data to President Trump's voter fraud commission, arguing on Wednesday that the inquiry is still part of an \"illegitimate\" exercise.**\n\nhttp://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-president-trump-s-voter-fraud-panel-1501115101-htmlstory.html\n\nCalifornia refuses to be transparent and help end voter fraud.\n\nBecause Democrats would lose votes if citizenship proof via ID was implemented.",
"I disagree. \n\nTo quote Lt. Gen David Morrison of Australia's Army, \"The standard you walk past, is the standard you accept.\" \n\nI believe that from the outside, people look at any group and assume that the loudest most visible subgroup represents the whole of the group, unless the rest of the group takes action to say otherwise. \n\nI am, for the most part, a liberal. And I see a great many liberals calling for censorship and silencing of anything they disagree with. \n\nI do not think censorship is EVER the answer, no matter how unpleasant or unwanted the message being censored. When we say 'the only way to get rid of you is to silence you', we drive the message underground. And messages of hatred THRIVE in the dark. The only way to move on as a society is to confront hatred head-on, expose it, debate it, and win the hearts and minds of those who would support it. \n\nTherefore I do not and cannot sit idly by when messages of censorship or ideas that silencing those who say unpleasant things are shared. \n\nIt is not a standard I accept, therefore it is not a standard I will walk past. ",
"https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/graham-my-memory-hasn-t-evolved-meeting-where-trump-referred-n837796\n\nThose two publicly issued a written statement that \"they do not recall\" now they *suddenly* are adamant it didn't happen? Which is it?\n\nMeanwhile Graham (Republican) and every other person present in the meeting has said form the start Trump absolutely said it.\n\nLOL at you picking and choosing your narrative to defend daddy trump.\n\nProtip: daddy trump doesn't love you.",
"**Georgia Republican Sen. David Perdue said Sunday that President Donald Trump did not use the phrase \"shithole countries\" during a meeting with lawmakers on immigration reform last week.**\n\nhttp://www.cnn.com/2018/01/14/politics/david-perdue-kirstjen-nielsen-daca/index.html",
"A T_D user not understanding what fascism is, I'm shocked.\n\n*\"Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, and forcible suppression of opposition\"*",
"Did immigrants save Houston, or did Illegal aliens save Houston? Because I'm pretty sure it was the former.",
"Wrong.\n\n**Georgia Republican Sen. David Perdue said Sunday that President Donald Trump did not use the phrase \"shithole countries\" during a meeting with lawmakers on immigration reform last week.**\n\nhttp://www.cnn.com/2018/01/14/politics/david-perdue-kirstjen-nielsen-daca/index.html\n\nBut please, keep spreading lies about myself and Donald Trump.",
"Honest question: When does the action or symbolism of putting your hand over another person's mouth mean ANYTHING other than forcing them to stop talking or silencing them? \n\nIf it wasn't for that, I'd have no problem with this image. ",
"Or, these were the countries in front of his face at the time on whatever list he was reading. I know everyone hates the guy, but Jesus Christ, we weren't in the room. He still denies he even said it in the first place, yet everyone is clamoring to take any opportunity to harangue the guy. He's obviously a piece of shit, but this isn't demonstrably one of the strongest confirmations of that",
"MLK was a democratic socialist. You my dear fool are clueless and talking out of your ass. https://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/11-most-anti-capitalist-quotes-from-martin-luther-king-jr/",
"Well, letting people into your city illegally is a good thing right? I know as a California I love getting my asshoLe reemed by taxes. Almost a dollar extra in gas tax? SCORE!",
"The absolute state of you. 😂",
"Which of Trump's policies do you attribute that to? \n\nMoreover, how do you think MLK would have felt about Trump saying he \"doesn't want a Black man counting his money\" ? That he \"hated it\"?",
"lol so you want to try to say Perdue's statement is wrong?\n\nHey everyone! Some guy /u/abyss6 knows that What Senator Perdue isn't what he *really* said! News article stuff right here! But the type of news you'll get from abyss6 is\n\n #fakeNews",
"Yes, OPPOSING Goldwater. Vote against the guy who would take away black civil rights. That is absolutely what MLK would do. \n\nNowhere did he say to *silence* Goldwater, or that Goldwater should not be speaking. \n\nThere is a BIG difference. ",
"They publicly issued a written statement that they did not recall. Every other person present in the meeting (including other republicans) has said from the start that trump absolutely did say it.\n\nSorry bud, but you believe a liar.",
"bingo",
"I wish any one at all would do this.",
"When did I say I was a republican you ideologue, also half of that list is false, you would still have moderate republicans not everyone is Ted Cruz. This is why we have 2 parties and were not a 1 party state like Russia or China, and finally tbh the list for 100% Democrats would be just as bad.",
"Doesn't mean I'm wrong",
"I'm pro not engaging with morons",
"Keep screeching.\n\nDaddy trump is a liar and doesn't love you.\n\nEvery single other person in the meeting agrees Trump made that statement. \n\nAlso apparently you can't read if you think I'm just referencing 'some guy' LOL.\n\nYou guys get more pathetic every day.",
"Can you provide a link or something? ",
"> All of his comments are essentially this:\n\nIf for any reason, you disagree with me, you are either a racist, a troll, or an idiot, and I am so much smarter than you and you're a piece of human trash. You're just a lazy piece of shit if you have a different opinion than me, because only the enlightened and educated such as myself know the truth. Oh, you want to know what that truth is? Just trust me on the grounds that \"everyone knows\" the things that I say. Oh, you want me to back it up? Just google it and do the leg work for me, stop being so lazy. \n\nTypical liberal holier-than-thou attitude which allows him to look down on people with other viewpoints. \n\nThe irony of your comment paired with your previous...",
"I think that if you look at the Twitter image - it becomes less about censorship and more about \"STFU, you moronic, racist, imbecile. Stop Twittering and listen.\" ",
"You're lost dude",
"You can't read.\n\nHope your day is as pleasant as you.",
"Quite true. \n\nThe trouble with hero worship is that people get elevated above ideas. The great legacy of MLK (IMHO) wasn't so much the man, but the ideas that he tried to push to both black people (rise above violence, be respectable, take and keep the moral high ground, and don't stop until you have equality) and to white people (push for what is right, respect your fellow man based on the content of his character rather than the color of his skin). ",
"Or...now try to follow me here...or could it be that the people of these third world nations are less educated and less likely to actually contribute anything of significant value as opposed to somewhere like Norway? You people act like we don't have any poor people in the US, its like you feel this need to truck even more in to suck on the teet of the system. I don't get the logic but that's exactly why you're a joke. ",
"When did I say you were a Republican? Please quote it for me\n\nNice random rant though ",
"> Every single other person in the meeting agrees Trump made that statement.\n\nWrong again. Here's another person from the meeting saying Trump didn't say \"shithole\":\n\n**\"I did not hear derogatory comments about individuals or persons, no,\" said Cotton, who was in the Oval Office meeting on Thursday, Mr. Trump questioned why the United States would accept more people from \"sh*thole countries,\"**\n\nhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/did-trump-say-shithole-or-shithouse/\n\nDo you always have to fabricate lies to win arguments? You are\n\n #fakeNews",
"Keep being illiterate. 😴\n\n\"I did not hear\" is not \"It didn't happen.\" Even their defense of trump is weakshit! LOL",
"MLK would of liked trump, even his niece is an activist for trump ",
"Yeah who doesn't love that?? And yet the dumb fucks on the left will tell you that it's a positive thing to truck more illiterate uneducated migrants into this country en mass to \"improve\" the nation. Meanwhile we foot the bill. It's pitiful",
"[Censorship and Propganda in Nazi Germany](https://www.ushmm.org/outreach/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007677) wow what a compelling argument you made, your just wrong Censorship is bad in every facet, hopefully you can see the light",
"Close, but not quite. \n\nKing did not *silence* the ideology of white supremacy. He *defeated* the ideology of white supremacy. Not by making it unacceptable to promote white supremacy, but by persuading people that white supremacy was an inferior ideology. \n\nOnce people realized it was an inferior ideology, they stopped promoting the idea of white supremacy on their own. \n\nNow that most everyone agrees that white supremacy is a hurtful ideology and an affront to civil rights, we find the very concept of white supremacy distasteful. These days, we often try to ban what we find distasteful. But silencing a distasteful ideology was NOT what MLK advocated for. ",
"You:\n\n> Every single other person in the meeting agrees Trump made that statement.\n\nNews clearly says otherwise. You're lying.\n\nAnother liberal who can't deal with facts over feelings.\n\nPwned.\n\nGood day, sir!",
"[Reddit be like](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2c/7d/a3/2c7da3c04790e27845d89b9bf2a17901.jpg)",
"You confuse asking and forcing. \n\nKing's finger to his own lips is a request. King putting his hand over Trump's mouth is an assertive action (forcing him to stop speaking until the hand is removed). \n\nBig difference. ",
"\n\nKeep being illiterate. 😴",
"Don't forget getting labeled as racist if you want stricter immigration control. \n\nEven though many people who advocate for such are direct descendants from immigrants, and are proud of their heritages. ",
"Thanks. Have an upvote (sadly someone else downvoted you :( )",
"Jesus fucking Christ, are you serious?\n\n>The Alt-right, or alternative right is a loosely-connected and somewhat ill-defined subset of the American and European political far-right, **composed chiefly of white supremacists, neo-nazis, neo-fascists, and other fringe hate groups. White supremacist Richard Spencer initially promoted the term in 2010 in reference to a movement centered on white nationalism**\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right\n\n\nI'm not the one calling them fascist, they call themselves, nationalist, fascist, neo Nazis and white supremacist. A white nationalist even coined the term alt-right. I literally just googled the term like I told you to do and found this out. What you gonna do call it fake news.\n\n",
"if anyone's rant is random its yours, and you back up none of it. You knew what you were doing when you replied, it wasn't stated but it was implied heavily. ",
"Oh not at all. GOP is absolutely in bed with big business, they're just more overt about it. Democrats are/were usually somewhat less so bought and paid for. That seems to be changing though, as evidenced by Hillary's near-inevitable nomination. ",
"In the 1980’s? It was a good mix of the two.\n\nThere were still plenty of refugees from Vietnam, of course. But most of the immigrants came from Mexico and Central America in the 1980’s. A lot of the documented immigrants overstayed their visa and became undocumented immigrants. Many were never documented to begin with. \n\nRemember that it was Texas that took the federal government to court to successfully fight the deportation of dreamers. That happened in 2015 and had absolutely nothing to do with Trump (who had not yet announced his candidacy when the suit was filed). Our economy is rooted in a cheap labor supply from documented and undocumented immigrants. ",
"*xenophobic",
"I'm a racist just for thinking that the minority that cut me off on the highway is an asshole. I know how you feel. You can't win",
"MLK was a democratic socialist. Which one of these statements would Trump agree with? Please reply as I am honestly very curious.https://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/11-most-anti-capitalist-quotes-from-martin-luther-king-jr/",
"> When did I say you were a Republican? Please quote it for me\n\n",
"Have you guys actually listened to any of MLK's speaches? If a white republican said the exact same things today the MSM would call them a Nazi. There has been a shift in the Overton window which now encompasses the mentally deranged in the alt left.",
"That is the essence of your posts though. I'm not debating you in that paragraph, so there's no irony to be had. You're so much smarter than me, so surely you can see that. ",
"your responding with a Wikipedia article bro, also the term was originally created by Spencer but its now being hijacked and used to describe people like Shapiro, Coulter ,and Crowder",
"They know. Usually people like this are either alt-right themselves or sympathetic to the alt-right. They just want to muddy the waters so centrists throw their hands up and say \"Well i guess both sides are bad\"",
"You know MLK talked about how rioting is a good thing and how moderate white people are the problem right? I don't think you'd like MLK very much lol\n\n\nIf you hate BLM you hate MLK. They believe the same things. And MLK condones rioting. ",
"you have still not defined fascism ",
"\"I’ve got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza — black guys counting my money!” O’Donnell’s book quoted Trump as saying. “I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else. . . . Besides that, I’ve got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is; I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”\n\nO’Donnell said in an interview that he admonished Trump not to talk that way.\n\n“You’re sitting there listening to him talk in stereotypes about black people being lazy and that it was a trait in his mind. And you just go, ‘Oh my God,’ ” O’Donnell said.\n\nTrump told Playboy magazine that O’Donnell’s memoir was “probably true.” \n\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-courtship-of-black-voters-hampered-by-decades-of-race-controversies/2016/07/19/d9822250-4d2e-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html?utm_term=.6a0371467699",
"Might be more technically correct but it absolves nothing.",
"Wow, hot take. Fascists like evading labels, but it's generally:\n\n - made up of nationalists or religious fundamentalists; this may change to adapt to local patriotic values\n\n - sense of crisis beyond the capability of traditional measures\n\n - power derived from sheer number and distress of its members\n\n - personification of society as a biological entity\n\n - obsessed with perceived humiliation and decline due to foreign influence or internal class conflicts\n\n - scapegoat that decline onto minority groups, which they seek to remove (or segregate or enslave)\n\n - focus on restoring economic prosperity and a mythologized version of traditional values\n\n - corporatist\n\n - promotion of social identity and loyalism to state/leader\n\n - attempts to fix its issues through authoritarian force\n\n - imperialist and militaristic\n\nI get that its meaning has been watered down by 1990's teenage anarcho-punks calling authority figures fascists and whatnot, but it does still have a technical definition. I recommend [The Anatomy of Fascism](https://www.amazon.com/Anatomy-Fascism-Robert-Paxton/dp/1400033918) by Robert Paxton.",
"The only current opposition is emotions and feelings. Construct a logical argument or shut the fuck up.",
"Nazis gained power by painting themselves as victims of political oppression by 'hate speech' laws. So I'd say it worked pretty well for Hitler.",
"Asking someone to stop talking is not censorship.\n\nWhat happened to MLK's freedom of speech? Why isn't he allowed to say \"stop talking\"? ",
"Lol I love you fucks that still call this racist. What about this is in any way shape or form anything to do with race? You could show a photo of Haiti and Norway to an alien and have them tell you what one is the shit hole. They would have no idea what race lived there and it wouldn't matter, because some of these places by definition and pure fact are shit holes! If a minority happens to live there than so be it, doesn't make it a racist statement. God you people are stupid. ",
"A comment in gif ........Is it hard for you to form a sentence bro?",
"The whole kneeling to protest thing is fucking stupid. Here in America we do not have loyalty oaths, we do not have sedition tests, we do not have secret policy routing out enemies of the Party. Nowhere is it written that one is REQUIRED to express loyalty to the country in any particular way. \n\nIf someone wants to kneel for the national anthem rather than stand, that's their right. IMHO to say anything at all else, is the more un-American action because it's requiring a specific demonstration of loyalty. Loyalty does not come from those who are forced to show loyalty, it comes from those who CHOOSE to show loyalty. Forcing anyone to show loyalty in a particular way, if anything, cheapens the very concept and the loyalty of everyone else there who chooses to express loyalty in any other way. \n\nThe funny thing is... conservatives often talk about sensitive snowflake liberals who can't handle offense, but all the people who can't handle a football player kneeling for the anthem, are just as snowflakey and sensitive as the liberals they are accusing. \n\n------\n\nAs for interpretations- one person putting their hand over the mouth of another, it's very hard to interpret that in any other way than preventing someone from speaking, because that is the meaning of that symbolism. \nIt's like you could look at [this image](http://2.images.southparkstudios.com/images/shows/south-park/clip-thumbnails/season-4/0408/south-park-s04e08c01-racist-flag-16x9.jpg?quality=0.8) and say you choose to interpret it in a non-racist way, but that doesn't change the fact that it IS a racist symbol. ",
"Im not playing this game you responded to me with a Question then listed a bunch of shit that you call republican ideals implying I am one, then you dropped a bunch of claims with no facts, no evidence not even an article, made zero responses to my actual argument, avoiding a debate like I mentioned in my original comment",
"There's lots of principled opposition but here's how it goes:\n\n* Trump says something outrageous\n* Someone replies, debunks, does research, etc\n* Trump reply boils down to: fake news\n\nand that's it. So what's the point when the other side believes you're a liar before you even say anything. You can't even tell them the Earth is spherical because they won't believe you. They won't listen to what you say simply because it's you. How do you debate someone like that?\n\nThe opposition does it too.\n\nThe silent majority of people who just want to survive both sides ignoring each other and undoing each others nonsense every 8 years is not just wasteful but it hurts people.\n\nIf we can't sit together, discuss things, and have compromise, then this is what we'll get. These are the headlines. Worse yet, it's making us lose ground. Some other countries have their shit together and they're doing better in things that matter, like education, jobs, housing, and medicine. Things we used to excel at.\n\nRemember 1950s and 1960s when being smart was a good thing? Everyone wanted to be an engineer. What about today? Well, stupidity, outrage, nontroversies, and being shallow and unapologetically rude is what pays a lot of money. It moves product. Do you know what's a desired quality today? Being a bastard and a liar, in public, without blushing even when you're caught lying. I don't know how these people do it. How much money is enough until we lose our humanity? Not enough apparently, not yet. The other side isn't destroyed yet, after all.\n\nAnd what happens if one side eventually wins? To quote Aeon Flux: \n\n> We won. We must have been right.",
"So, the NY thing that article itself said it was likely Trump's father's doing, and \"laziness is a trait in blacks\" is a secondhand source, which warrants skepticism. Advocating the death penalty for what was perceived as a heinous crime and of which there was reason to believe these men were guilty of in a time where the death penalty was more in vogue doesn't seem racist, it's just tough on crime. If you choose to only see them as blacks and latinos and forget they are criminals, then I could see why you'd think it's racist, but otherwise not really. \n\n\"I would love to be a well-educated black, because I really believe they do have an actual advantage\" This is pretty true with all the programs that exist to help blacks out. \n\n\"He began his 2016 presidential campaign with a speech disparaging Mexican immigrants as criminals and “rapists.”\"\n\nI remember that bit, he was saying the people coming over here illegally are those things, and a fair number of them are. He's not worried about the legal Mexican family who goes through border security, but people who are enganging in a criminal activity to get over the border. (so they already show they can have disregard for the law). \n\nCan't really speak on the MS-13 bit, but it's certainly not \"disparaging all immigrants\" to say that specifically Dreamers might have caused more MS-13 members, because it doesn't even touch on legal immigrants, so it's just sensationalism journalism. \n\n>Trump said a federal judge hearing a case about Trump University was biased because of the judge’s Mexican heritage.\n\nThe case was dropped against him by the plantiff and the judge wants it to continue even though she dropped the case, hard for anyone to figure out why that would be the case other than a politically inspired motif. Unless you have a better explanation? \n\nThe white house denies the \"all haitians have aids\" bit, but they aren't backing down on the shithole countries line, but I don't even see how shithole country is a racist term. If a country is under developed and suffers from diseases and civil wars and extreme poverty, it does sound like a shithole, regardless of skin color. \n\nOther than that, it's him criticizing Obama. And that's racist because Obama is black or something? \n\nHonestly, all of this stuff is so cherry picked and sensationalized that it's hard to take it seriously.\n\n> In a November 2017 meeting with Navajo veterans of World War II, Trump mocked Senator Elizabeth Warren as “Pocahontas.” \n\nWhat? It's racist to make fun of someone who claims to be a Native American even though she's clearly white and did it for advantages in getting into school? \n\n> Trump frequently claimed that Obama did not work hard as president.\n\nwow so racist, doesn't he know he's talking about a BLACK man? Only praises for black people. ",
">but its generally \nYeah what I said no clear definition, all the stuff you listed can lead to an authoritarian dictatorship, if not called out.",
">Saying we shouldn’t allow **anyone** from that “shithole” into the country is racist.\n\nLiterally right in your own words why it isn't racist.",
"nerd",
"Yeah, I've got an inbox full of people telling me that I'm misinterpreting the image, that in the image MLK is 'giving Trump advice', that in the image MLK is 'suggesting Trump start listening'. \n\nI have literally never seen the symbolism of one person putting their hand over the mouth of another represent ANYTHING other than forcing that person to stop talking. \n\nSome are referencing how you teach a small child. You don't put your hand over a child's mouth to teach them, you put your hand over a child's mouth to shut them up (and even then it's a pretty disrespectful gesture to the child which should be avoided if possible). \n\nI think it's a sort of groupthink- Trump is bad, therefore anything which is anti-Trump must be good, so we can't criticize the anti-Trump painting. ",
"There's a big difference between saying Trump 'needs to' STFU, and forcibly shutting Trump up. It would probably be better for a lot of people if Trump did STFU, that's not what this image represents. It represents MLK forcibly silencing Trump by holding his hand over Trump's mouth. \n\nAnd silencing someone you don't want to hear.... that's censorship. ",
"This image reminds me of a parent silencing a child who is embarrassing himself, or someone gently telling someone else who is being talkative in church to be quiet. He almost seems caring and sympathetic and even fatherly in this picture. It doesn't feel like censorship to me. Rather than hurl insults at Trump like everyone else, I imagine MLK to be more personal to Trump.",
"A Wikipedia article full of sources. Wikipedia is informative. GO SOURCE YOURSELF!!! And also they all still consider themselves alt-right so your excuse is b.s.",
"Yep, you turned me. Thanks, That was a close call, ",
"You hate his personality. He's hardly an idiot. ",
"There are [exceptions to the free speech First Amendment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions) that have been carved out, like libel and slander, speech used to provoke a fight, incitement, child pornography, and false statements of fact.\n\nAnd from what I can tell, the person you were having a discussion with was advocating the banning of violent ideologies. And while it does not fall under those restrictions, it's close enough that debating it has merit and shouldn't be simply lumped in as \"pro-censorship\". \n\nI myself have been struggling to see the moral merit of allowing speech advocating for violence against other Americans. Most of the counter-arguments I get against banning that speech are either slippery slope fallacies, \"we've always done it this way\" arguments, or \"it's an unfortunate side effect of allowing for free speech\". But we can always ban things we know are harmful. What we shouldn't ban is things that have their positive side. Yet I can't see a positive side in violent advocation at all.",
"The best kind of correct!\n\nIt also does nothing to become outraged by a candid comment made by an old white man. Is anyone surprised by this? Did anyone go, \"he said WHAT?!\"\n\nAs Bill Burr would say: \"What did you think he thought?\"\n\nThis reveals nothing we didn't already know, but the problem is that an overblown reaction only drives the wedge deeper, and de-legitimizes your cause in the eyes of the opposition.\n\nEmpathy works both ways. It is seemingly very difficult for a lot of people to imagine him making a remark like this without a cold heart full of malice, while drooling acid and sweating sulphur. Is it too crazy to think that he (in his mind) is thinking of what's best for his countrymen? Could he possibly be thinking of the US citizens he is supposed to represent? Could he think that bringing prosperous and skilled people to the US benefit it, rather than bringing in unskilled and uneducated people that will lower overall prosperity? MANY countries do this. Try becoming a New Zealand citizen. You even have to speak English to become a citizen there. \n\nNow, we can argue all day about the idea of denying some people things so that other people might have them, but that is an inherent issue within the system that elected Trump. Trump isn't the problem; he's a symptom.",
"I'm glad you posted this, because this is one of the most important concepts here. \n\nThe type of person or what they are spewing is irrelevant. Even if it would benefit everyone for that person to take a break, that's irrelevant. If you force a person to stop, even for a moment, you are restricting their free speech and that is censorship. \n\nForce is the important part here. Putting your hand over someone's mouth is FORCING them to stop talking until your hand is removed, because you cannot speak with your mouth covered. This is an independent concept, which does not in any way depend on what the person is saying or whether their words are gold or raw sewage. \n\n-----\n\nTo illustrate this, let's flip it around. Let's imagine Trump was holding his hand over King's mouth. What would that represent to you? Surely not 'stop and listen', right? ",
"Oh you found a loudspeaker to narrate your life. Lovely.",
"Has anyone here mentioned the Norway counterpoint he made, too? Before he said that, I might have forced myself to give him the benefit of the doubt. But that was the nail in the racist coffin for me.",
"Nowadays, being an open fascist is political suicide. If someone were to develop a clear and unwavering definition, fascists will change a small part about themselves so as to avoid fitting that definition. Think of it as the equivalent of the infamous \"I can't be racist; I have a black friend\" move.\n\nAnd... yeah? It can lead to an authoritarian dictatorship. A fascist authoritarian dictatorship. I don't understand what you're trying to say.",
"It's a poster that conveys an idea. The idea that somebody should shut the fuck up. That simple. You don't like that idea, so you're coming up with excuses why this poster \"crosses a line.\" But the idea you're purporting to be in support of is the very idea that you're opposing by speaking out against the poster and the artist. You wouldn't have this \"censored\" but yet it's unacceptable. You can't have it both ways. So what would you say, in one sentence, is your goal here?",
"Putting your hand over someone else's mouth is not 'telling' them to shut up, it is forcing them to stop talking. \n\nIf King had his finger over his own lips, and the other hand on Trump's phone, your interpretation would be correct. \n\nBut covering Trump's mouth can only mean preventing him from speaking. That's what that symbolism means. ",
"Hey now, stop asking for evidence and start blindly supporting hating the conservative party.",
"He is an idiot. You are in denial. ",
"Individuals or persons. Indeed not. He was shittalking countries. Dodging through semantics. Weak indeed.",
"I shouldn't have come to this comment section. I hate all of you. This shit hole doesn't deserve his dream.",
"Modern progressives would treat MLK like Ben Carson",
"So your issue is just that it's illegal federally? (Or is it something you are not proud of admitting)\n\nI am going to stop replying at this point as you seem to lack an actual reason as to why you support it being illegal. Instead of arguing its legality. You should ask yourself why it is this way and why you agree or disagree.\nI mean it's the law in other countries that women can't be out in public without a man. Do you agree with their gov because it's the law?\n\nIf you agree with the illegaliry for what ever reason; that is something we can diacuss; but if your only problem is that its illegal then this discussion is really superficial isn't. We aren't talking about what you or I believe in; we are talking about laws set in place by others who **actually** have a reason to believe in them. A reason I was trying to figure out by asking someone from an opposing view.",
"Yes but the parent silencing the child is still preventing the child from speaking. When you prevent a kid from speaking that's accepted because a. you're their parent, b. kids often don't know the full effect of what they say, and c. the kid is a minor so that is accepted. \n\nIf you tried to do that to an adult, nobody would accept that because it is the adult's right to speak, even if they embarrass themself in the process. \n\nSo IMHO even if you look at this as caring or sympathetic, the only way to get there is to view Trump as unworthy of the 1st Amendment protection every adult has, and I think (sympathetic/fatherly or not) that's still the wrong approach. \n\nStill, you explain your POV far better than most, have an upvote :)",
"Your \"quotation\" is such a weird interpretation of what anyone has said in this thread. It's clear you don't understand their position, don't just put words in their mouth because you don't agree. Maybe ask for clarification instead of whining.",
"Geez, talk about cherry picking data! /u/Mr_Not_Available just ran through MLK's remaining family until he found one that agreed with him.\n\nEven with that link I'm not hopeful he'll question his confirmation bias.",
"https://areomagazine.com/2017/05/03/who-teaches-students-that-words-are-violence/",
"> There are [exceptions to the free speech First Amendment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions) that have been carved out, like libel and slander, speech used to provoke a fight, incitement, child pornography, and false statements of fact.\n\nYou mean ones that have been there since the beginning and *not* ones we made up later? As time goes on, speech has become more free, not less. \n\n> shouldn't be simply lumped in as \"pro-censorship\". \n\nThe government stopping any speech is censorship, full stop. That’s what the term means.\n\n> I myself have been struggling to see the moral merit of allowing speech advocating for violence against other Americans. \n\nWe don’t allow things because we think they’re moral. We allow them because a government that has the power to stop them is a worse problem. \n\n> But we can always ban things we know are harmful. What we shouldn't ban is things that have their positive side. \n\nIn other words, human rights are a means to a utilitarian end rather than an end in themselves. I disagree vehemently. ",
"Congratulations, youre a racist too",
"https://i.imgur.com/SjQclIQ_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=high\n\nDon't engage in my points in anyway, because you run the risk of being wrong. Instead, scream \"racist\" and run away, feeling like you've accomplished something. \n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism",
"What's funny is I'm sure you hate Trump so in true fashion I was being an asshole like president trump....and how did you react? By acting just like him. Unable to turn the other cheek, and unable to do the \"mature\" thing by moving away from an unproductive conversation. For the past hour you've basically sat here saying \" WRONG\". It's hilarious how clueless you are.",
"LOL Holy shit. That's some next level ignorance.",
"This is fucking retarded. ",
"MLK would say he deserves the right to speak. ",
"I'm not going to get into voter suppression as I said in the post, because it is not the point.\n\nAs for the rest, I did specifically try to make it clear that we can't know what he meant. \n\n> It's definitely open to interpretation, and no one can say for sure what he meant \n\nJust because that is a true statement, doesn't mean we shouldn't try to figure it out. I personally don't see how any rational, objective person (which I confidently am, I rarely/never find myself too far on either side of the aisle, even in the current polarizing climate) could look at the ENTIRE set of \"potentially maybe racist but who knows\" stuff that Trump has said and done, and not draw some conclusions from that. It's absolutely silly to dismiss the concept of a \"preponderance of evidence\" in favor of only ever focusing on single, ambiguous events such as this one and throwing your hands up and saying \"who knows?!?!?\" because we don't have unequivocal proof one way or another. That's just willfully dense. It starts to feel like the only thing that would satisfy you would be Trump delivering a dedicated 10 minute speech about the fact that he is a racist, complete with examples and documented internal monologues. That's obviously never going to happen, so we have to decide if it's true or not based on the evidence we actually get in reality.\n\nI have never called Trump a racist, because there just weren't enough \"data points\", so to speak, that would suggest that, and he's said and done some conflicting stuff that would suggest he is not, and to your credit a lot of the stuff gets cast in a light in really shouldn't (for example, isolationism and \"America first\" policy is not the same as racism, but gets blown up that way very often in the media). But at this point after watching his commentary for the better part of 2 years now, I don't see how you can ignore the pretty clear trend toward \"yeah probably\" here. ",
"MLK can't rest in peace, people twist his original messages and use his image as a means to push their agenda.\n\nIt's kinda sad honestly. This agenda-pushing on both sides is obnoxious and annoying and I don't see why we can't just appreciate the guy. Why does everything have to be political in relation to trump? Why can't I see some wholesome MLK pics or inspiration? Fuck this.",
"oh shit you actually wrote something different.\n\nI didn't read it though, I'm pretty sure it was just as insightful as the rest of your comments :)\n\ninb4 you think that proves whatever point you're trying to make and start jerking yourself.",
"If you really believe that MLK would have supported someone like Trump, you're either brainwashed, dumb as fuck, or willfully ignorant. Holy shit.",
"Just caption.\n\n> Liberals pull race card to censor Trump. BTFO by based tweets!\n\nPost to T_D.\n\nWin pointless internet points.\n\nI'd do it myself but some shots are just [too cheap even for me](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdfD8TaFvnc).",
"... Again I direct your attention to the ever iconic poster 'Quiet! Shut your face. Know your place.' The Cold War's version of loose lips. It's use was to direct Americans to exercise caution in their everyday conversations lest they be overheard.\n\nThe hand over the mouth is neither metaphorical nor symbolic as OP tenders. A metaphor marries two dissimilar, and otherwise unrelated ideas together e.g. 'Death's shade'. Where as a symbolic representation of censorship would have some benefit beyond the literal e.g. showing an issue being *covered up* by stacks of money with a different message at the top.",
"Is this the end of drumpf??!?",
"> The idea that somebody should shut the fuck up. \n\nSee this is where we disagree. \n\nIt to me doesn't convey the idea that Trump *should* STFU, IE, that it would be a good idea for Trump to STFU, that it would be preferable for Trump to STFU. I'd have no problem with such an image \n\nWhat it is conveying to me is King *silencing* Trump. Not King *advising* Trump to be quiet, not King expressing that it's a good idea for Trump to be quiet, but King *silencing* Trump by holding his hand over Trump's mouth. \n\nSo the message I get from this, is that the modern civil rights movement should work to silence Trump. That's what I have a problem with. \n\n------\n\n> But the idea you're purporting to be in support of is the very idea that you're opposing by speaking out against the poster and the artist.\n\nOf all the replies I've gotten, only one or two even think the situation through this far, so kudos on that :) \nHowever, disagreeing what what someone says is very different than disagreeing with their right to say it. Nowhere in my replies have I said that this image should not be distributed, or that the artist shouldn't be allowed to paint it. \n\nWhat I'm doing, my goal here, is to point out that this image represents the wrong way to deal with people like Trump. When someone says bad things, we should not try and 'shush' them or silence them, we should engage them and even if their minds can't be changed, the minds of those who follow them can be changed. That's how MLK led his movement- he didn't silence the white supremacists, he took them head on. So I think it's not good to represent MLK as silencing a modern-day opponent of equality. \n\nDoes that make sense? ",
"Or maybe they represent that FACTS of education for those different areas. I mean, you are so quick to jump the gun about race that you don't stop to make a reasonable argument about WHY it's race. \n\n~10% of Africa's population is white. That's not a trivial amount but for some reason, you ignore it.\n\nLet's look at the bottom of the barrel in terms of education and focus on adult literacy rates. Norway is one of only a handful of countries which as a 100% literacy rate. \n\nMeanwhile, countries like Mali with 18 million people in it have adult literacy races in the 30's. Most countries in Africa fall under the 60-80% range which the exception of Libya.\n\nHonestly, it's pathetic that you are even trying to play the \"sins of the father\" card especially when those stories aren't even based on credible sources. Given your propensity to just skip straight to only looking at things to reinforce your bias, it's not a surprise you don't care about sources or facts or logic.",
"> I'm not a huge fan of the guy, I'm not a supporter, I didn't vote for him.\n\nFor what it's worth, given your sub history - pussypassdenied, sjwhate, socialjusticeinaction, and others - not to mention your actual *comments* throughout Reddit, I don't believe you.\n\nI think you're playing the classic dishonest contrarian game. Claim not to be on Side X, as if that lends you some sort of credibility, then go on to spew the exact talking points of Side X over and over and over again. \"I don't support Soandso, BUT ...\"",
"It actually is. Most of what is on the list has nothing to do with race even.. ",
"> (sadly someone else downvoted you :( )\n\nIt happens. \\*Shrug\\*",
"oh shit, just one more thing that Blumff will never recover from",
"The Chinese call Trump a paper tiger President because he's all talk. The French President told the story of when the Bay of Pigs happened with JFK. JFK asked the French President, Charles de Gaulle, to back us if anything goes wrong, and that the CIA had verifiable pictures that there were missiles in Cuba. De Gaulle said that the word of the American President is good enough for him. France's now President, Emmanuel Macron said, \"Sadly, that's not how it is today.\" The point of the story is that it's pretty obvious that Trump is a wind bag. He is all talk. None of the Presidents are backing Trump either. Think about it.",
"hahaha\n\nI've got plenty of Internet points, I don't need more. Besides I don't like T_D for one simple reason- they prohibit disagreement (or at least they did the one time I went there to check them out back in 2016). Any group that considers themselves above ideological challenge is not a group that will hold strong ideas in the long run. ",
"No you.",
"> I mean, have we forgotten that these people committed war crimes\n\nNo, otherwise they wouldn't be brought up in every discussion of their criticism of Trump. The whole *point* is citing these people is to say, \"Look, when even these people are saying the guy is unhinged, we might have a problem.\"",
"Do you really think Trump intended his comment to have that kind of nuance? He was asking why we let in people from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries, vs Norway. You really think he wasn’t talking about race?",
"Civil disobedience in the face of perceived injustice is pretty much *sine qua non* for MLK's whole program. I don't think you'll find much support for that argument here, especially not today.",
"Nice ahistorical bullshit right there. Go get yourself a copy of \"Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich\". The biggest mistake the republican government made was not killing Hitler when they had the chance. The actual lesson there is don't put your faith in the reason of an unreasonable public",
"People like you got the Nazis elected. \n\nShould we have a public conversation on the ethics of pedophilia? Slavery? Hell, let's just treat everything the same huh?\n",
"He is suggesting that he'd like to murder you.\n\nI mean, this is someone who [compares Obama to a monkey](https://www.reddit.com/r/ImGoingToHellForThis/comments/7qb7qn/monkeys_in_a_cage/dsoc5fr/?context=3), after all.\n\nYou're not on the same side.",
"MLK was a conservative ",
"Lol, ok. ",
"[ITT](https://twitter.com/frozenblueber/status/952958436265873411)",
"Well, Trump is s clown, but at least he is not a known plagiarist like MLK.",
"Nothing like thinking a guy who has dementia is \"smart\" LMAO!",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"Protest =\\= riot",
"Rayciss!",
"Skips over part about Nazi Censorship, people like YOU are how Nazis got elected. And yes we should have public conservations about those topics and determine they are bad and should remain illgeal, did Hitler ask for Germans permissions for the Holocaust? No. Was there widespread censorship? Yes. Dont you get approving censorship is inherently dangerous.",
"Huh found one",
"> \"Identity politics\" is the rightwing PC word for \"Civil rights.\" \n\nNo, it's really not. \n\nIdentity politics is, according to Google, \"a tendency for people of a particular religion, race, social background, etc., to form exclusive political alliances, moving away from traditional broad-based party politics.\" \n\nIn short, 'we're black so we'll all vote for this candidate', 'we're women so we'll all vote for this candidate', 'we're white so we'll all vote for this candidate', etc. \n\nNow, there ARE people who look at national recognition of gay marriage, or other civil rights issues, and say PC CULTURE IDENTITY POLITICS GTFO. These people have no idea what they are talking about, IMHO. Please don't associate me with them. \n\nThe 'identity politics' I refer to is the attitude of 'you're a woman so you have to vote for the female candidate' or 'you're black so you have to vote for the black guy'. Nowhere has this been more prominent than Madeline Albright's now-famous quote of [\"There's a special place in hell\" for women who don't support Clinton](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/06/madeleine-albright-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton). \n\nI believe that no matter what race, gender, sexual preference, etc you hold, you should consider yourself an American first and that group second. You should vote for the candidate that you think is in the best interest of the nation, not for the candidate whose appearance most closely resembles yours. ",
"Came here to say this. Majority of comments here are against this mueral yet it still has almost 30k upvotes... The \"hive mind\" speaks again I suppose",
"Always good advice :)",
"They don’t. Trump just hurts their feelings bc he tells it like it is. They can only call him racist when in fact he’s done more for the black community than most before him. No one called him racist before he ran for president. ",
"\nThis is a consequence of party stances, not because of race or identity. And it's overblown by GOP rhetoric and, yes, is mostly used as a smokescreen to attack those defending civil rights.",
"I could go for a nice shawarma wrap right about now...",
"Disagree, I respectfully suggest that the “snapshot” be taken as a moment whereby MLK, gently asks Trump to momentarily shush, reflect and listen. ",
"Party stances- sure. Both parties find it more convenient to divide rather than unite. Probably because if Americans focused on what we all agree on (IE getting money out of politics) rather than what we don't, that wouldn't be so good for the corrupt politicians. \n\nAnd yeah it does sometimes become a smokescreen, but that doesn't mean it's being correctly used as such. Left and Right both do this. ",
"Yes and the laws say they are illegal. Not my opinion. That’s just fact. But keep deflecting and hinting I’m racist, that will change things. ",
"You don't 'gently ask' someone to shush by holding your hand over their mouth. That is an aggressive action, even when done to a small child, because it prevents them from speaking even if they want to. \n\nIf MLK was pointing to his ears, or doing anything other than covering Trump's mouth, you'd be right. \n\nBut I really don't see covering someone's mouth as in any way gentle or asking.",
"Case in point. You don't even want to engage in discussion, you just want to complain.",
">people like YOU are how Nazis got elected.\n\nPeople like me would have shot Hitler instead of letting him run for office. \n\n>And yes we should have public conservations about those topics and determine they are bad and should remain illgeal\n\nHave fun arguing with pedophiles then. I'm going to be over here advocating we just put them in jail and stop tolerating insanity. \n\n>Dont you get approving censorship is inherently dangerous.\n\nI didn't realize 2016 was the fault of censorship and not a proliferation of toxic bullshit that the media gave more respect to then it deserved. And here I was thinking that poisoning the public discourse with bullshit produce a stupid public? Nope, silly me. It was the belief we shouldn't do that..",
"> You mean ones that have been there since the beginning and not ones we made up later? As time goes on, speech has become more free, not less.\n\nOn the contrary, each one of those exceptions had to be established by the Supreme Court. And each one was formed based on not only the text of the amendment, but the purpose behind it.\n\n>> shouldn't be simply lumped in as \"pro-censorship\".\n\n> The government stopping any speech is censorship, full stop. That’s what the term means.\n\nTo label something as pro-anything means a support of all instances of said anything. To be \"pro-censorship\" would be to support all forms of censorship, and that's not the case here. His response would be correctly categorized as, \"approving the censorship of violent ideologies\".\n\n> We don’t allow things because we think they’re moral. We allow them because a government that has the power to stop them is a worse problem.\n\nThe entire purpose of the law is to keep a society stable. It's why incitement and violence provoking speech are considered exceptions in that they are direct causes of instability. There is a direct causal relation between the speech and the destruction that comes after it. If a government does not have the power to police it's citizens when they become violent, it has no power worth noting at all.\n\n>> But we can always ban things we know are harmful. What we shouldn't ban is things that have their positive side.\n\n> In other words, human rights are a means to a utilitarian end rather than an end in themselves. I disagree vehemently.\n\nThat's not a correct interpretation of what I said. The right to free speech, or for that matter any right we have, is a guarantee by the government that the fundamental needs of humanity are preserved. This guarantee is made for two reasons. One, it makes it much more likely for people to participate in society. Two, if those guarantees are not fulfilled or expressed, people will seek out other means to fulfill their needs whether lawful or not. \n\nThe primary purpose of the First Amendment as pertaining to free speech is for the people to always have the ability to criticize the ones in power. To ensure the loudest voice against the government will always be the people. That their concerns and needs can be properly vocalized so that the government can make changes when appropriate. And to make damn sure that the government can't turn tyrannical by forbidding news against it. It's a tool that the people have against the government whenever they need it.\n\nBut when that tool is used by citizens against other citizens, calling for the extermination of Jews or putting Republicans in concentration camps or any of that bullshit, that's when we should start having debates about what purpose it serves. It's a fine line to walk, deciding where to balance between the power the government needs to police it's citizens and the power of citizens to criticize and change the government.",
"You mean majority of the mainstream media and liberal leaning reddit. You think everyone gets on reddit? All this SJW and muh feelings crap with get trump elected again. Facts don’t care about your feelings. ",
"Just because you see every facet of your world in terms of race does not make it reality. The shit hole countries that were referenced have people of all races. The fact that people like you MAKE everything about race (implying that they are shit hole countries because of the color of anyone's skin) shows some serious projected race issues.",
"250 years of progress down the drain.......................................",
">Both parties find it more convenient to divide rather than unite.\n\nSorry, but this laughable coming out of Obama's admin. Obama and congressional dems constantly tried to reach across the aisle against a party that swore to make him a 1 term president and acted with historic obstructionism.\n\nTime and time again Obama would practically hand them everything they wanted and they would slap it away because Obama or the dems dared propose it. \n\nMcConnel filibustered *his own goddamn proposal because he didn't expect dems to agree to it.*\n\nObamacare was basically a GOP plan and they hated it because he proposed it.\n\nRepublicans refused to even hold a hearing on *the exact moderate SCOTUS appointee they had stated they would support until Obama actually did it* for a whole fucking year!\n\n>f Americans focused on what we all agree on (IE getting money out of politics) \n\nIt is objective record that Dems vote in favor of reducing money in politics and Reps consistently vote against it.\n\n#**Money in Elections and Voting**\n\n**[Campaign Finance Disclosure Requirements](http://votesmart.org/bill/votes/32154)**\n\n |For|Against \n -|-|-\n**Rep**| 0|**39**\n**Dem**|**59**| 0 \n\n**[DISCLOSE Act](http://votesmart.org/bill/votes/41152)**\n\n |For|Against \n -|-|-\n**Rep**| 0|**45**\n**Dem**|**53**| 0\n\n**[Backup Paper Ballots - Voting Record](http://votesmart.org/bill/votes/21011)**\n\n |For|Against \n -|-|-\n**Rep**| 20|**170**\n**Dem** |**228**| 0\n\n**[Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act](http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2002/roll034.xml)**\n\n |For|Against \n -|-|-\n**Rep**|8|**38**\n**Dem**|**51**|3 \n\n**[Sets reasonable limits on the raising and spending of money by electoral candidates to influence elections](http://votesmart.org/bill/votes/49906)** (Reverse Citizens United)\n\n |For|Against \n -|-|-\n**Rep**| 0|**42**\n**Dem** |**54**| 0\n\n",
"lol, at this shit. Even King's own family, you know people who have met him, support Trump. The bias is real alright and it's here.",
"You can make anything about race if you try to justify hard enough",
"It's pretty telling that I knew what kinda shit they'd be subscribed to just by reading their comments...\n\nI really like how they think that the state IDs being 'extraordinarily cheap' makes voter ID laws affect everybody equally, when it's by far the least relevant part of why it's racist.",
"How would you have done that with President Clinton taking away your guns? How would you shoot Hitler than? If the Pedophiles are Insane, (they are) why are Tran-sexuals not and why are fucking 3 year olds getting hormone therapy. How is Trump a nazi anyways? And he won mostly because of how bad of a candidate Clinton was. If your censorship ideas spread this country is fucked ever heard of 1984? ",
"I don't appreciate \"liberals\" using prolific black folks for their own agenda. ",
"well its a book about him (from what little I gathered), im not sure how that goes as you are not allowed to photograph someone without consent, so id assume releasing a book falls into the same thing, but hes a public figure. Don't think its the same level as banning other books but not correct either.",
"If some flat earther kept on replying to all your comments, asking you to justify the Round Earth Theory, I can only hope you satisfy him and do it. ",
"You're quoting the highly anti-Trump NYTimes? Really?",
"Ah the peace and tolerance liberals preach so much but never practice.",
"Not censorship so much as blind opposition. The reason why people don't take your \"REEEEEEE\"s seriously is because they are hollow, empty, worthless blind opposition points. When people go in to fucking mass hysteria over a misspelled word or a tweet time and time again it is easy to see that they don't really care about that specifically, but are trying their hardest to come up with ANYTHING to be outraged about. It gets old.",
"Aye tell me more about how I'm wrong, it'll create a great discussion. Good luck being impartial when they come for you boo. ",
"Reeeeeeeee",
"So you’d rather the image be of MLK “defeating” Trump in some metaphoric way?",
"That's usually how I give silent advice to people.",
"Yes, he also provided $25 billion for Black American's and education but here at this shit website we have a narrative of hate and intolerance wrapped up as peace and tolerance to push.",
"> Yeah people should be very civil with the odd 30% of the population that despises us. \n\nYes they absolutely should. That's what MLK taught- be civil, take the moral high ground and keep it. \n\n> You want me, and people more affected by trump, to be principled opposition? \n\nYes, I desperately do. I want you to make DAMN sure that nobody can blame you for anything. I want you to do as Dr. King taught- be incorruptible, be steadfast, be the bigger men, don't do things that will open you to criticism. Be the adults in the room and whenever someone accuses you of being undeserving, challenge them to prove it. I don't care if you're black or white or brown or yellow or male or female or transgender or any other group. If people try to take your rights away, this is how you fight back. You show everybody else that you are right and they are the raving lunatics. You do not win by stooping to their level, no matter what group you are. \n\n> You think if we just calm down and be measured and logical it'll suddenly bridge the divide? Fuck no it won't, it didn't and it won't. \n\nThat's not what I said. Nothing wrong with getting angry. Just be respectful. Dr. King told his people to wear suits when marching. He told people to make noise, to never be silenced, but to never use violence either. He did not burn cars or block highways, he just marched in large enough numbers that he could not be ignored. \n\nI LOVE hearing the roar of the marginalized, because that's democracy in action. But when the marginalized roar by stooping down to the levels of behavior that they are accused of when marginalizing them is justified, that just makes me sad. \n\nTo make one simple example- those who say inner city cops should be 'tough on crime' and rough people up when necessary, argue that this is good policy because the inner city population is nothing but drug dealers and thugs. When those people 'roar' by smashing their own neighborhoods and torching police cars, they are only proving right those who say they should have tough policing. \nNow I recognize that burning cars and smashing stores is only a small percentage of the people who demonstrate. But unless the people who demonstrate productively take steps to differentiate themselves from the rioters, it's super easy for any observer to see them as one group. I get in this argument often with more conservative friends, many of them are happy to group all the demonstrators together and say 'this is why police assume they're all criminals'. \n\n",
"Yeah, that would be accomplished with just the \"sush\" finger. This represents something different.",
"Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case: you cannot reason with stupid people",
"Yes exactly. Show MLK leading people, and Trump's phone with a 'followers: 0' message, and then you've got something more powerful. ",
"Now that there parents got more money because of the Trump tax cuts they have some extra spending money. ",
"I don't see the image as censorship. Having not read any details behind the circumstances of the images creation, to me MLK has a certain compassion expressed in his eyes. Almost as if he wants Trump to just simply pause, if only momentarily, and really think about the impact of his words. ",
"You should see a psychiatrist ",
"Because reddit lies and manipulates votes based on their agenda. ",
"I see what you are saying but I strongly agree with my POV. Drawings like that are deeper than the \"basic meaning\". Still I respect and see your pov.",
"Found Ironman",
"> On the contrary, each one of those exceptions had to be established by the Supreme Court. \n\nRight, centuries ago, enshrining common practice. Speech has gotten more free in recent history. That’s a trend that isn’t going to stop.\n\n> To label something as pro-anything means a support of all instances of said anything.\n\nNo it doesn’t. Pro-choice doesn’t mean right to choose to sell crack.\n\n> The entire purpose of the law is to keep a society stable\n\nAnd ours is perfectly stable. If that’s the only goal we accomplished it. It’s not.\n\n> The primary purpose of the First Amendment as pertaining to free speech is for the people to always have the ability to criticize the ones in power. \n\nTrying to find the ends of a right in order to justify abridging it in some manner is not treating the right as an end in itself. Freedom of speech protects any point of view, not just ones against the government.\n\n> But when that tool is used by citizens against other citizens, calling for the extermination of Jews or putting Republicans in concentration camps or any of that bullshit, that's when we should start having debates about what purpose it serves.\n\nThe right is the purpose. I believe in free speech for the purpose of free speech.\n\n> It's a fine line to walk, deciding where to balance between the power the government needs to police it's citizens and the power of citizens to criticize and change the government.\n\nWe have a line. It’s imminent lawless action and it’s been that way for decades. I will not retreat from that line. It’s the perfect way to allow the government to ensure public order without stifling anyone. ",
"Also known as I can't defend any of the points i just made ",
"By the thumbnail I thought it was MLK throwing a right hook to Donald I clicked it on with the intention of shaming this. But now... Yeah, I think this could have possibly happened. ",
"You bitched about transexuals and engaged in baseless paranoia. Hence why I don't believe in talking to you. \n\n",
"calling it a shithole is pretty gross, but not that racist in and of itself. But saying we shouldn't allow citizens from those countries to have an equal opportunity to be a part of the lottery visa bc of the lack of wealth of their home country absolutely is racist. \n\nIt's like me saying, \"trump fans are racist redneckbeards who hate women bc they are lonely\" isn't discrimination, but me not allowing trump fans into my store bc of it is. \n\n",
"Lmao \"Hicksville.\"\n\nYou are completely proving this guy's point.",
"I really hope your debating skills aren’t needed for income purposes. I’m from and currently live in the South (Gulf Coast) but have lived all over the world(decade in the service) . You really don’t have any news for me. The WORLD is full of bigots. It will always be full of bigots. In my experience, it’s better to ignore them 99% of the time. Even people that I’m sure are bigots and/or racist, will try to hide the fact. They’re ashamed of their own intolerance yet they cling to it. Annoying as hell but I’m certainly not going to let them ruin my day/minute/second. So you’re saying he was openly gay BEFORE King hired him? Me thinks you’re changing the timeline to fit your eloquent yet flawed narrative, but if I’m wrong by all means, show me.\nEdit: folks I know from the North East and Midwest were far more racist than people in the South. Levels of bigotry are roughly the same anywhere in the US. Imagine living in the Middle East...",
"Exactly, and to further bolster your point. MLK put himself into the political sphere at great risk to himself. Like it or not, he is a political figure.",
"So if we were living under fascism we would be able to eliminate people like you. Yet here you are...",
"How are Tran-sexuals sane but pedophiles not, I just like Tran-Sexual people more because they don't hurt other people so I dont care about them, its still a mental illness tho, its not their fault, just like people with addictions. ",
"Good post, have an upvote. \n\nFWIW, I'm talking more about the people than about the politicians, because I don't think the politicians do a good job of representing the people. \n\nDuring the Obama years, it was a mainstream Republican position to *hate* Obama. Not just oppose, but to truly *hate* the guy. \n\nStarting in mid-2016, the Dems did one worse- it became a mainstream Democratic position not only to *hate* Trump, but to *hate anyone who supported him for any reason.* \n\nHow many times on Facebook did you see 'Unfriend me if you support Trump'? If you have any number of liberal friends, probably a lot. That's someone willing to throw away a friendship solely over a political viewpoint. And that became a mainstream accepted position, endorsed from the top with Hillary's 'basket of deplorables' comment. \n\nBut how many times did you see 'Unfriend me if you support Obama' in 2008 or 2012? I've got a bunch of very conservative friends, and I never saw that once. \n\nSo as far as I'm concerned, the Left has lost the moral high ground. ",
"You have to separate the abstract from the real. A PAINTING with a hand over a mouth with a quieting \"shhhhh\" is not a suggestion of censorship. It is a suggestion that based on what you are saying you may want to take some time and listen. It also suggests that what you are saying is offensive and as the leader of the free word you might want to rethink. Had ball gag been placed in Trumps mouth I might agree with you. That would suggest censorship. But by no means has that been done.",
"Amazing, why do people like op claim to be so righteous in social justice but are the most uneducated historically ",
"This thread is kind of exhausting, let's just not come in tomorrow, let's just take a day off, okay? :)",
">So if we were living under fascism we would be able to eliminate people like you. Yet here you are...\n\nInteresting way to phrase that to say the least. So the fascists would \"eliminate\" me, a straight white liberal guy, but apparently not you. In fact you are part of the facistics, you'd be able to eliminate me right?\n\nSo you're either a fascist or know you think closely enough with them that you'd be on their side. Great ",
"First off, you did not mention a specific poster, so saying \"... Again\" in such a degrading manner is immature. Second off, you're missing the point; the meaning of this poster isn't the same as that one. This poster is not MLK cautioning Trump that his speech or tweets are dangerous to security - there is no emphasis of that anywhere. The artist does not like Trump and depicts MLK silencing him to basically say that Trump is a fool. The artist uses MLK ironically, since he fought for everyone to have a voice, but the hand over the mouth is going too far because he would not silence someone.",
"HARDLY blind.",
"This is stupid af",
"It's better than nothing. It's not like people came out with *less* understanding. This kind of thing is slow, but not as slow as it could be. Understanding used to happen over eons. Then generations. Now over lifetimes. It's easier to appreciate in that context.",
"Would you say the Democratic and Republican blind opposition of trump and obama is comparable? ",
"With respect, I think you are projecting your own viewpoint into this image, rather than interpreting the symbolism directly. \n\nI see MLK quieting/silencing/whatever Trump. I DON'T see any suggestion for taking time or listening or rethinking. The only symbol I see here is quieting Trump. \n\nSure a gag is a stronger symbol of censorship, but holding your hand over their mouth (preventing them from speaking) is definitely a symbol of censorship because it prevents a person who is trying to speak from speaking. ",
"You are right. I forgot what my initial prompt was. They are literally breaking the law for others people's rights. Your wording made it sound like you have a problem with it. Which is why I asked about your views on helping illegals. \n\nSo would you support an Amnesty law or bill, not sure how it works, or at the very least a petition?\n\nSorry I didn't mean to suggest that in particular. There's many reasons why to be against sanctuary cities that wouldn't be racist but can be shameful(or not accepted by the general opinion here). Xenophobia; thinking that people should earn their rights(like our president); not wanting our tax dollars to go to illegals who don't usually pay taxes; not liking the policy simply because it's liberal; not fond of socialism in general...etc.\n\n",
"I'm just talking about the definition of fascism and how it applies to Trump's America. Are you not \"the opposition\" in your definition? The definition states that we (the fascists aka Trump and his supporters) should be able to suppress you forcibly. Yet you continue to run your mouth, so maybe we're doing it wrong? Please give me some tips as to how I can use my fascist powers to suppress you properly.",
"i know its a 4chan/autistic meme or whatever, but literally every time i see someone comment this all i read is \"I am a fat neckbeard and I'm lonely.\"\n\nso instead of talking about how you like trump bc he's racist (and you are too), can i just ask...you ok man? you need someone to talk to? It's no shame to get help for issues with depression or anxiety or isolation or overeating. let me know if you want to talk. ",
"I agree, but not for this reason",
"http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-global-african-immigrants-explainer-20180112-story.html\n\nAfrican immigrants have bachelors' at a higher rate than american born citizens. \n\n",
"Reverse racism.",
"You are of course entitled to your opinion, but if I perceive the gesture as gently asking then that is my perception as I am similarly entitled. ",
"And why should I trust you any more? ",
"Don't be ridiculous! MLK, the man who opposed same sex marriage, would be shouting \"RESIST\" at pride marches.",
"I just don't think you realise it doesn't matter. It just doesn't. Being pure and spotless didn't give MLK popularity and it doesn't now. There will always be examples that the likes of fox news can peddle to their bigoted audience and there's literally nothing I can do about that. BLM has had tons of peaceful demonstrations they get called thugs and criminals on the daily, it's the exact same damn thing as with MLK and the marches. Pissed off the majority due to distorted views of the events. People actually want to designate BLM as terrorists and a gang. Trying to be pure weakens your side, not in the sense of using violence but that when one is indubitably in the right any weakness will be exploited and providing nuance will allow a gap to be utilised. Like so: climate change R's: I'm unconvinced by the science, consensus isn't unanimous, liberal hogwash. How do defenders respond? They can provide nuanced answers that address the points but any element of doubt they interject into it will be utilised by people who reject the entirety. \n\nNothing about America is pure and anything you can do to affect change can be made grey. Supporting a party that wages war is an unavoidable fact of wanting a voice in American politics. I despise so much of what Obama did, but I need to defend him because the alternative is tacitly supporting the right, because that is what America has created a binary system where one party is positively evil and the other a shade whiter, to reject the latter is to allow suffering that could be avoided. \n\n I will argue for my beliefs till I die, I'll never resort to violence but I'm not a saint who can sit by and not respond when people despise me for factors I can't control. I'm not interested in being pure or polite. \n\nKaepernick is a man with an absolutely unimpeachable record, morals and action spending his money in donations and his time campaigning, who knelt to demonstrate against the needless deaths by the police in this country. He is hated and scorned, lost his job and is deemed unamerican. Any attempt to speak will be hated and playing purity games will result in losing, because spending time policing your side (within reason) is time that your side is fractures and loses its force. ",
"> , but holding your hand over their mouth (preventing them from \n\nMaybe. If the image showed only the hand over Trump's mouth then I agree (or a ball gag, The image of Trump with a ball gag entertains me). But MLK shushing Trump suggests that their are adults in the room and it is time to listen.",
"It's almost like the people using MLK like this have no clue about who he is and what he stood for and instead just wanna find a person of color they can use as a scapegoat.",
"After all the stuff she pulled, Hillary definitely wasn't afraid of prosecution! Or did you mean persecution? XD",
"Skin.",
"Shut your tweethole!",
"https://i.imgur.com/ZCULIsA.jpg",
">Interesting that [last time this was posted](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6ut5lh/this_is_pretty_good/) people didn't really like it.\n\nWell, people invested money this time",
"Largely yes. \n\nI think Republican opposition to Obama was more unfounded- it was more about who Obama was than what he was saying or doing. There were a couple studies during the Obama years where someone pretended to be a pollster, took an Obama policy (the meat of it at least) and presented it as a Republican proposal, a great many staunchly anti-Obama Republicans thought they were great ideas until told they were Obama policies. \n\nOTOH, a lot more of Democratic opposition to Trump at least has a basis in Trump's policy or position. I think a lot of the opposition misinterprets Trump's policies or statements, but the opposition at least is rooted in fact. \n\nHowever the Democratic blind opposition to Trump is FAR FAR stronger. No Republican I've seen ever posted 'unfriend me if you support Obama'. The Republicans hated Obama, but that hate didn't extend to anyone who dare support him for any reason. \nThe Democratic opposition also ignores the idea that there might be any valid reason to support Trump. Factory worker whose job went overseas, so you supported his trade policy? FUCK YOU RACIST SEXIST MISOGYNIST PIG. In the eyes of a great many Democrats, anyone who supported Trump for any reason is equally 'deplorable'. \n\nThat's why I say they are comparable. Republican blind opposition was more unfounded but also more moderated, Democratic blind opposition is more rooted in fact but also far more arrogant and extremist. ",
"It's easy to hear or read niece and it change to daughter in your mind later. Chill out.",
"Gotta do something about these [baizuo](https://i.imgur.com/7BqXEcM.jpg) up in here.",
"But but...everyone on social media says we should silence him.",
"I would think honest mistake unless it was Cuomo.",
"This tug of war over a dead mans family is sad and petty.",
"take the compliment!",
"No, MLK would never force anyone to shut up. ",
">Do you have any actual evidence to support your assertion that MLK would be a white supremacist (aka conservative)?\n\nHe explicitly opposed gay marriage. What would you call that? You having your terms tied in knots isn't an argument.",
">You mean his cabinet picks have more wealth than the poorest third of households... $9.5 billion is nowhere near 1/3 of the total wealth in America \n\nWhy? You jelly? \n\nEdit: judging by the down vote, the 22 yo u/bdog101594 is jelly of other's money. Dude, ask your dad for more allowance man. ",
"I agree. As you pointed out, this was something that was common for both Obama and Trump.\n\n\nI remember hearing Obama opponents criticizing him because he wore the wrong color suit. And now I see people criticize Trump because he said that NFL players shouldn't protest during the national anthem.\n\n\nWhen I hear stuff like this I just think... If this is the best criticism you can come up with today, then maybe you are just looking for reasons to be upset. They could criticize Obama for drone strikes or Trump for weakening the National Parks.\n\n\nI think our attention spans are so short that these issues get forgotten because we commit to the outrage of the day. What, Obama killed 40 more people with a drone strike? We talked about that yesterday. Today let's talk about what that preacher said that Obama met 25 years ago.\n\n\nIt only devalues the opposition if we let trivial items make headlines. ",
"He was a womanizer too. I sure he’s grabbed lots of pussy.",
"College aged SJWs do. They're like moderate muslims.",
">I'm asking which fake news source led you to believe she is MLK's daughter? It's an often repeated lie I was wondering if there's a common source it comes from. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/kh_N3vAWed4",
"They're holding the sign backwards",
">Sure buddy. Try living in Hicksville Illinois. You'll see Republican racism all over town. They don't even try to hide it.\n\nSure buddy, try living in any metropolitan area. You will see inner city, Democrat-voting black Americans trying (and succeeded, many cases) to kill Asian delivery workers and rob Asians . They don't even hide it. Their idol YG actually made [a rap song encouraging it.](https://youtu.be/lFxOsUe0I8o) \n\nGo to hell, you black supremacist. We sold no slaves, get your white guilt away from us and leave us alone. \n",
"It's more of less about Wolf's experience when he was around election and afterward. You need as much consent as someone does writing an article about someone. The Wall Street Journal doesn't need to ask Trump for his permission to write an article and use his photo. Trump looks bad in the book, yes, but he made his bed and he's going to have to lay in it. Sorry.",
"Yeah, pay no attention to what he said. Just assume he'd agree with you if he lived long enough.",
"> His advice was given in a respectful non-judgmental manner, no anger or hate.\n\nThis makes him a homophobe today. People are called as much for far less.",
"ITT: People who think MLK Jr. would not be fine with telling racists to stufy // people who don't know of MLK Jr.'s opposition to white liberalism.",
">Lol so the left thinks MLK would want to silence Trump because they don't agree with him. Do they also know MLK's ~~daughter~~ *niece, Alveda King* is a huge Trump fan?\n\nFTFY",
"No, MLK Jr. stood for civil rights and against white liberal feel goodism that values law and order over actual rights. I don't down for a second MLK Jr. would decry the words of Trump, maybe not tel him to stfu like this picture essentially details but denounce his every word yes.",
">MLK's daughter opposes Trump, and MLK's daughter actually knew MLK (unlike his niece.)\n\nWhat can I say, you gotta have some turnvoats who love KKK amirite? You know, the white zupremacist group that was founded by Democrats? \n\nOh you don't know? Damn... you American public schoolers really suck",
"You were hoping for people who didn't know about what you were talking about, weren't you? ",
"I would support whatever law passes. I really don’t have that strong of feelings on the particular issue. I can understand how people wouldn’t want people cheating their way into the system. \n\nSo I think a compromise would be a law where illegals can stay as green card holders, but they, or their families, will never have access to public funds of any type. \n\nThat way the Republicans who oppose it would have to come up with a reason besides racism and the Democrats who oppose it would have to explain why besides the lack of American tax dollars going to illegals. \n\n I have a feeling neither side would support it, which shows the real issues behind lack of immigration reform. ",
"Well they must be right then. After all, everything you read on the Internet is 100% correct, since it's not permitted to post anything that's wrong online. \n\nIn the face of this overwhelming evidence, I must retract my earlier statement because 'fuck donald trump!' is the only possible valid viewpoint or response to any Trump-related issue. ",
"I upvoted you because you said fuck Trump. Am I interneting right?",
"The racism wasn't from him calling third world countries \"shitholes\", the racism of that statement was the question itself, his use of the word *\"why\"*.",
"You had nothing of substance to say. Other then excuses why you want a fascist approach into silencing people you don’t like. It’s funny though so at least you’re good for a chuckle. Keep that up at least :)",
"Usually I'd be annoyed by someone using post history as fuel in a debate but... sheesh... those subs are pretty telling of one's character.",
"Modern socialism is an experiment and there are clearly mistakes in the Scandinavian execution of the idea. Socialism based in reality does include elements of the free market and entrepreneurship, which is what they seem to be heading towards now. They still have the social safety nets and education-assistance that most people are pining for when they talk about modern socialism.\n\nRegardless of this complicated issue, good luck reconciling the fact that you effectively called MLK a retard. ",
"Except some people don’t even like peaceful protests because they may be “inconvenient” or “pointless.” He protested peacefully and still went to jail. People protest peacefully now and get run over by cars. ",
"He should be slapping him. A polite slap. Like how I imagine how Prince would slap someone acting a fool/tool.",
"Asking someone to stop talking and putting my hand physically over your mouth while making a \"shut up\" gesture are very different things",
"Now see, I think we're getting to the root of your problem. Racism is discrimination, but it's not the only form of racism. What Trump said was undeniably discrimination, but there was no mention of race, only of the economic status and general instability of the mentioned countries.",
"Lol! I didn't notice my mistake till now...",
"Well both people's campaign/movement were wiretapped illegally by FBI. Anyone on the left ITT wanna talk about that? No? ",
"So edgy...",
"There was. She lost the election.",
"I will be happy to support the downtrodden, particularly since I come from them (raised by a single mother who made minimum wage, and my great-grandparents were full-blood Ojibwa, not to mention the native blood that comes from my dad's side). What I do not support are prissy, blue-blooded, disaffected liberal elites who try to push a lot of fucking PC nonsense and have an incredible lack of common sense. They're as bad as the money-grubbing, bigoted, power-hungry conservatives that dupe THEIR base into thinking they're some kind of benevolent gods.\n\nI will call Trump out on being a bigot sleaze but I'll also call you out for being a kowtowing little bitch for your own party. Think for yourself.",
"Good to know I'm of the American Race. ",
"Its artwork, the hand over the mouth is symbolic of asking trump to step aside. ",
"I wouldn't have mentioned it if not for the pun.",
"Oh my, you got fascist'd? Where did they fascise you? I'll phone the police straight away. We can't have your rights violated. \n\nOh, the police just said no one's censored you in any fucking way and you should buy a dictionary and a spine. ",
"many here are arguing that \"Dr. King would had never approved this\" or \"Dr. King wasn't about censorship.\"\n\nwe will never know just truly how King would have reacted. in total abhorrence or modestly angry. perhaps mildly irritated at Trump. it doesn't matter.\n\nTrump and his conduct are inconsequential to the legacy of a civil rights leader. Lyndon B Johnson was a racist by all accounts. King met opposition wherever he went, including black activists who argued that King would be the downfall of the African American race and that it was better to bide time and speak softly . King rose above it. above the doubtful black activist and above the seething racist. \nHe just rose above it. he would likely do the same and give the reporter a 'no comment'. he would go on about doing the good work, and not dignify Trumps tweets with a comment, much less write a sermon or opine on a newspaper column.",
"Mmm, although I see this more as a humans rights issue; I can see how having a strong respect for authority and order can lead to that kind of viewpoint. Following the law is in general important for a healthy society.\n\nYou mean like they can't get workers comp or SS even though they will start to pay taxes? \n\nPeople that immigrate legally like my family get benefits from a social system we hadn't payed into yet. So the idea is kind of weird to me. Especially considering that as far as I know illegals contribute positively to our public funds since they are rarely able to get the benefits.",
"Okay I guess if he rephrased it we don’t want shitty immigrants would you be in agreement then?",
"Okay so you can't actually point out a group promoting that.\n\nThanks, bye.",
"Yes now you're doing it! \n\nThe important thing to remember, is whatever you read is unquestionably true. If you see anyone pose a different viewpoint for any reason, you report them for hate speech and tell them to go fuck themselves because they are obviously a communist nazi dictator fascist xenophobic misogynistic racist who hates freedom and thinks white people are the master race. ",
"Oh ok gotcha that makes more sense to me. And I really respect people who do that. It’s so funny you mention that example because I really enjoy watching clips of Ben Shapiro and I’ve also noticed the same thing about him. I’ve come to realize everyone has a sort of bias that you can spot, but that doesn’t necessarily make anyone not useful or not reliable. As long as you keep track of the facts yourself you should be open to listen to anyone. \n\nBut Ben Shapiro... he’s a great thinker. He’s very good at spotting inconsistencies in arguments and explaining them. And in a lot of cases I feel like he has a great handle on the big picture—he’s not one to be swayed away from truth by a weak argument.\n\nDo you know of anyone who leans left who you think is similar to Ben Shapiro? I try to ignore “party bias” no matter which direction it’s coming from, but at the same time I’m interested in seeing great arguing from another side from what I usually see.",
"Agreed. Thinking someone should stop saying stupid things is not the same as believing they have no right to (i.e. censorship). ",
"You want people silenced because they disagree with you. Guess I know where the train of thought was coming from when Twitter was caught shadow banning right leaning accounts. You and your thought police.. and you wonder why you lost an election :)",
"Lmao you're just upset that it's anti dongle. \n\nThis is exactly what MLK would have wanted.\n\nCrack open any book please, you're so far removed from reality is terrifying.",
"needs more jpeg",
"You don't understand. \n\nThere is no process with riots only but there's even less with peaceful protests only. \n\nYou need the threat of violence to move progress. You need a carrot and a stick, one alone is not enough.\n\nMLK new this very well which is why he constantly said riots were ineffective but never condemned them. He was playing a part.\n\nYou didn't really disect it you're just trying to discredit it.",
"That doesn't change his quote though. He never condemned riots only called them ineffective. \n\nSo yeah riots are the language of the unheard and this is you trying not to hear.",
"So can you argue with words that have actually come out of your opponents mouth? Or is making shit up your only debate technique? \n\nAnd I'm not American, dipshit. You're the only person that lost that election.",
"Gotcha, I'll stop thinking for myself immediately.",
"You mad and salty and want to silence everyone. Bet you’re mad cause you’re in a shithole lol!!!!",
"Regardless of people for or against Trump, he is the first prez to use social media which pisses off the MSM narrative of them being the only ones to give news. Time will tell if the population wants to know things immediately, right or wrong, or just would prefer to know little to nothing. \n\nInteresting times.",
"There's very very few college sjws. I Just graduated college and I never once saw an antifa member. They're a small small minority with a loud mouth it goes the same with sjws, small minority yet big mouth. No one gives a shit about politics outside of the internet really. and they have nothing to do with Muslims. \n\nI don't get you Americans man, there is such a ridiculous political divide.\nYou judge other cultures so harshly when almost everyone is from a different background. Just respect each other, we respect our views and just realize there's more to life than just politics. ",
"Oh my god you poor little man. What country do you think I'm from? Can you name any? Africa's not a country, just so you know.",
"Ben just did a great sitdown/debate with Dave Rubin last week. Dave's my fave guy to listen to right now, even though I'm very much not a Libertarian and he definitely is. He makes clear he's a \"classical Liberal\". He values the Liberal values of tolerance for example, but loathes the modern left's cramming their version of tolerance down people's throats. And Shapiro who's certainly a rightist has basically had the same position the whole time. Anyway, he does The Rubin Report on YouTube...here's a link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJdKr0Bgd_5saZYqLCa9mng\n\nMy alltime fave is Christopher Hitchens. Biased as hell, but my God. That guy knew more about more different things than anybody I've heard before or since. Sam Harris is my next favourite, and he and Rubin are very similar with their classic liberal positions.\n\nSo start with Rubin's shows and Harris's debates and have fun!\n\nHere are my fave Harris debates:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSdGr4K4qLg\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VmLQjdT7IA\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKjcvZoxT9Q\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E99BdOfxAE\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN9nlAnkCUY\nhttps://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sam+harris+best",
"A shit hole",
"he was a socialist. Read what Goldwater, Nixon, and the National Review said about him; conservatives hated him. ",
">we weren't in the room\n\nThankfully, several reliable people were. Those who didn't have a party-line attack of amnesia later can not only corroborate he said that, but that he called friends up to repeat his comment. \n\nHis denial means nothing. He's lied and denied when presented with factual, contradictory evidence before. I will take the corroborating testimony of several lawmakers over the word of a known fabulist any day.",
"This is what I thought immediately upon seeing the post, the picture belongs on r/facepalm",
"he was a socialist and anti-militarist. I doubt he would have been fond of Trump. Certainly the Trumps of his day, Goldwater and Nixon, weren't fond of him. ",
"I'm sure there was a TON of Obama hate. \n\nBut did anyone ever actually say 'unfriend me if you support Obama'? ",
"There are plenty of shithole countries that does’t have blacks and Hispanics...",
"Trump is typing. Why is MLK covering Trumps mouth? What's that supposed to do? The artist is kinda dumb. ",
"He was a socialist. Conservatives today who hate when NFL players kneel during the national anthem would have been cheering on the police who attacked protesters back then. ",
"Yes exactly. That I think is the worst thing to happen to modern politics- the discussion breaks down. Rather than 'I disagree and here's why' it's now 'you mustn't say that' or 'that is hate speech' or 'unfriend me if you support XXXX'. We attack what we disagree with because it's easier than engaging with our opponents to find common ground. \n\nOf course this makes it easier for certain groups to manipulate the process, but that's probably the point. ",
"Opposition to Obama was what in specific? I recall republicans hating on Obama from the get go. Not only that, Trump never been a politician, so naturally there’s going to be opposition due to that fact. I don’t even view Trump as a president, he’s more like an experiment of some sort . It’s fucking weird ",
"lol a lot of right-wingers itt are mad about this. They like to imagine he would have been on their side because all they have ever heard him say was a few lines from the I Have A Dream Speech. ",
"Well Trump is an adult, even if you don't feel he acts like one. ",
"When did MLK ever tell racists to shut the fuck up? \n\nMLK wanted racism widely exposed. He didn't want them to STFU, he wanted them to come out in the open, so he could engage with them. \n\nTelling people to shut up is not accountability. ",
"I think there's a lot of groupthink on both sides. They don't make stuff like this to persuade people or win debates, they do it to get others like them riled up. Post this on a hyper-liberal forum and you'll get responses talking about 'powerful symbolism' or some such. ",
"Awe he doesn't know what the outside worlds like. Ok, you name countries you like, and then ones you don't and well see how white I am.... I mean my country... being... shitty.",
"Agreed, and same. ",
"I’m not saying he would bow down to the man but he would be supporting of trumps out going and no filter attitude. Instead of bashing him to the media every chance he got he would do would he could to work with trump to do what he could for his community. They don’t make men like this anymore just intolerable children with keyboards and opinions.",
"🤦🏼♂️",
"You can look at the picture as a parent telling to his child, OK, that was enough, now STFU. Trump is such a child, not everybody or every opinion deserves free speech. (or expression of it) If Trump bullshits privately, that is OK, but the whole world doesn't need to know just what big of a moron he is. \n",
"They clearly call her the niece, so this couldn't be the fake news source. ",
"So many people making the same mistake, it's very weird I've never heard of such a thing. ",
"And the conservatives said liberals are arrogant and unwilling to consider other views. I dunno what they were thinking, but you've sure proved them wrong. \n\nThe point of a debate isn't always to get the other person to admit defeat. Sometimes, the point of a debate is so that each side's followers can see the other side's viewpoints. Winning is not smashing your opponent, but rather persuading their followers that you are correct. \n\nSo even if you assume Trump is a goat, then it still makes sense to engage. Because the people watching will see one side going 'baa baa' and the other side laying down logic. Great way to persuade the goat followers that you've got some better ideas, no? \n\nOTOH if you just write them all off as idiots, and you don't engage, then you will never learn about why they support Trump or what's important to them and they will never hear your views. I fail to see how that's in any way preferable. ",
"Muh oppression!!!!!!!! if you're a failure in life and you're white it's because you're a failure in life stop playing the victim. Take some self responsibility. ",
"Thats fine if its decent literature with proper research and not some smear campaign, I am still not sure why you tell me that. Of course he has to take consequence for his actions. ",
"> not everybody or every opinion deserves free speech. \n> If Trump bullshits privately, that is OK, but the whole world doesn't need to know \n\nDude, this is pretty much the literal definition of censorship. \n\nYOU think Trump's speech is unowrthy, therefore according to you Trump doesn't deserve free speech. But who the hell are you to make that determination? \n\nFor speech to be free, unpopular speech must be protected just as much as popular speech. Otherwise you have a situation where only popular speech is permitted, which is NOT free speech. \n\n> \"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured...the first thought forbidden...the first freedom denied – chains us all, irrevocably.\" \n> --[Judge Aaron Satie](http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Aaron_Satie) ",
"hahahaha \n\nYou know, I think Trump's got a point there...",
"But it was *implicitly* racist due to his examples and counterexample. Context has to be taken into account to get the full picture, and there is enough context available to draw a conclusion here.",
"> But who the hell are you to make that determination?\n\nCommon sense and decency?\n\n>For speech to be free,\n\nAgain, gibberish is not protected. For protection, speech has to make sense. :)",
"> In politics, it's not enough to just point to someone's policies and say they're wrong, you have to also provide a meaningful alternative, which the Dems failed to do. \n\nQuite true. Anyone other than Hillary could probably have beaten Trump easily. Bernie would have wiped the floor with Trump. But the best they put forward was a woman on record saying you have to have a private and a public position on issues (in other words lie to the plebs so they don't hold you to account for selling them out). ",
"I think this is what YOU think he stood for.",
"Your comment doesn't relate to this issue.",
"I saw this today at a march in Santa Cruz, CA. I wonder how far it spread. I do agree with SirEDCaLot - after reading the post - but I thought the image was awesome when I saw it. ",
"The color of one's suit is in no way comparable to a call to quash freedom of expression. Maybe Trump's love of fast food would have been a better example?\n\nAs an aside, why do people feel that drones are some heinous tool? It's fundamentally identical to conventional airstrikes, except the pilot is in a different place. There's just not an appreciable distinction, IMO.",
"FWIW I wasn't asking you to defend racism, just point to a situation where MLK tried to silence a racist. That's not pro-racism, that's just historical strategy. \n\nAnyway, have an upvote because you are right for pointing out the assumptions :)",
"Sounds about right to me, thanks for the reply. \nI do wish the Democratic opposition to trump was indeed less extremist, as a lot of valid facts to demerit Trump's policies get lost in what you just described.\nI really try to engage someone of different political viewpoints on a more fact based level rather than baselessly yelling at then for being a racist, for example. ",
"When can we expect /r/pics to be renamed to /r//shithole?",
"> Common sense and decency?\n\nCommon sense and decency once said that publishing images of naked people was obscene and did not deserve free speech protections. \n\nHell, common sense and decency once said that suggesting black are equal to whites is gibberish, and thus should not be protected. \n\nObviously our current societal opinion has changed on these issues. But imagine if it didn't? Imagine if porn didn't get free speech protection, and neither did the idea that blacks should be equal? \n\nKing would not have been a leader, he would have been thrown in jail for spouting gibberish and that would have been the end of the civil rights movement. \n\nIf speech is to be free, then ALL speech, including gibberish, including speech lacking in common sense, including speech lacking in decency, must all be protected. Otherwise all you've got is a tyranny of the majority, an environment in which King would be little more than a small entry in our court records, jailed for 'speaking gibberish affronts to common sense and decency'. ",
"There are dozens of us. Dozens! \n\nLabeling people with insults never changed any opinions. It's very sad to see the Democrats, supposedly the party of thinkers and educated people, resorting to such immaturity. ",
"Lol it’s a shit hole why you think I don’t care to play your name game and you don’t even care to name the shit hole. Lol",
"Why do we have to integrate hating trump into literally everything we do? It’s a holiday, just celebrate and forget about trump for a minute.",
"So you believe in Mao an the endorsement of violence to secure peace.\n\nThrough the threat of violence is what youre basing your opinion off of. Violent struggle...when its because nobody seeks peaceful compromise anymore. Just who can be more outraged.\n\nIm not trying to discredit a dead man. He did what he did and hes known because of what he did...however in the timespan of nearly 50 years his \"message\" has been distorted.\n\nSee Boondocks episode. Oh im sorry a black man was \"discrediting him\" then and *people* saw what was being told tl them.\n\nAgain quoting the MAN HIMSELF is not discrediting...he *said* it..you wax your own philosophy. You think if MLK said that youd say what you said to me to him?\n\nbuwhahaba",
"But DAE Trump is literally hitlre?!?!",
"lol that's like saying the left is all antifa sjw communists",
"I'm going to have to disagree rather strongly.\n\n1) \n\nit presupposes that the Trump admin is any way equal to the Obama admin in respectability, competence, or really any professional metric.\n\nHatred for Obama was mostly irrational and puffed up on complete lies. (DEATH PANELS, SOCIALIST, KENYAN MUSLIM anyone?)\n\nWhereas Trump has an absolute deluge of legitimate reasons to hate him, from the way he carries himself that disrespects the office, the laziness, to his constant blatant lies, the constant hypocrisy, the obvious nepotism and corruption, the incompetence, the witch hunting and hatred he spews, the constant sowing of division and attacks on every bit of media that dares not worship him. \n\n None of that even touching on the tweeting, racism, and rape accusations! OR even his (near non existent) policy!\n\n2.) \n\n>So as far as I'm concerned, the Left has lost the moral high ground.\n\nWhy do you pin the entire movement on some people being jackasses on facebook? I hold the right responsible for the people the elect and try to elect, not for what assholes on the street say. Why don't the actual actions of the party representing the people have any influence on your opinion over what some idiots who don't represent anyone say?\n\nWhen the left starts electing or trying to elect people like Trump, McConnell, Moore, and Arpaio you might have an argument. \n\nWhen the left start blatantly trying to block and hamstring a historically important investigation regarding the sanctity of our elections you might have an argument. The mainstream GOP is actively working to smear a *republican* investigator appointed by a *republican* who worked under *republican* administrations as a liberal witch hunt! And the gall to do this after dems cooperated with the bullshit that was the Bhengazi investigations (which that political theater wasted nearly 10 million dollars over exhaustive redundant hearings to come to the conclusion that anyone who knows what the fuck a secretary of state does could have told you!)\n\nWhen the left starts losing lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit for gerrymandering with the intent to suppress voters of their opposition, you might have an argument.\n\nThe right in this country has shifted further and further right to the point where the left finally standing some ground to point out saying \"Haitians all have aids\" is racist is apparently taking the low ground because they slung the accusation of racism!\n\nThe GOP has shifted to blatant corruption, disgustingly die-hard partisanship, and loyalty to party above country; and now the left has finally grown a hint of a spine to call a spade a spade, you call that \"losing the moral high ground.\"\n\nFuck. That.\n\n",
"Then why was the top post on /r/the_donald of a rare MLK pepe?",
"Even if he wasn't consciously thinking about race, that statement still came from a place of racial prejudice conscious or otherwise",
"Yay! Silence free speech! Oprah for president!",
"MLK was an outspoken radical anticapitalist, miles left of liberal, you illiterate dope",
"You played yourself.",
"The FBI assassinated MLK for refusing to be silenced.\n\nToday the FBI and political establishment want Trump dead because he refuses to be silenced.\n\nNice fail OP.",
"> The whole point is... when even these people are saying the guy is unhinged, we might have a problem.\n\nWhich is really a variation on the \"appeal to authority\" fallacy. If you already have a principled stance on the issue, you don't need to point to guys like Kristol, Bush or Cheney for supporting arguments. If fact, their definition of \"unhinged\" will often be based on different values than your own. The consequence is that you're invariably going to be challenged with the counter argument, \"then do you agree with Bush/Cheney's view on XYZ?\", at which point, you've lost the argument. You'll be so bogged down differentiating your views form these monsters' that you won't know which way is up. Your position and will come across as muddled and weaken your original argument. If you start from first principles, you'll be arguing from a point of strength and consistency. Even if your opponent disagrees, they'll still respect you for this.\n\nThe point is, if you're going to throw words in your opponent's face, you'd better make damn sure those words are based on ideals/values that are consistent with your own. Otherwise, they won't provide anything of value to your argument.",
">So you believe map\n\nNo you just have no argument so you're gonna shove words in my mouth.\n\nI'm not gonna engage with your straw man either contest my actual argument or fuck off unless you have an actual argument and not something prefer u jizze down your throat\n\nBuwuaahah",
"That's different in different states, Maine and Nebraska for example do split up the electoral votes. So that's an issue at the state level and not federal.",
"actual argument or fuck off\n..as dictated by your terms? hahah\n\nagain you have not debated what the man said. only little petty affronts.\n\nactual debate..buwhaha you resorted to childish remarks INSTANTLY ",
"Love to be in deep thonk. Add an upvote",
"At the rate things are moving Trump is probably as left wing as a 60's liberal.",
"lol.. love this",
"Actually it is an issue at the federal level because it doesn't require that. There's no reason to do it that way other than to marginalize the populace and provide security to politicians for jobs that in all honesty shouldn't even be careers. I know term limits aren't the issue at hand here, but they'd certainly be welcome by the majority of Americans, but it doesn't help out the ones who write the laws so it's not going to get done without some sort of massive uprising.\n\nThis is one of the big problems with America today, our populace is too divided and thinly spread to be able to focus and get any meaningful change done to the government. The peasants who revolted against King John did so spread out between a couple of counties, and in the days where gunpowder was still restricted to China and maybe the surrounding countries, so apart from official training, there really wasn't that big a difference between a King's soldiers and the people revolting with what tools and weapons they could gather. With the way things are now, we couldn't force a second Magna Carta that would establish term limits, rework voting and the political system in a way that fairly benefited the majority of people, instead we're stuck with these corporate shills that would rather feign caring for just long enough to get their votes in November, and then not give half a shit to the people for the next couple years because the majority of the populous doesn't even pay attention to their candidates and just blindly votes red or blue because that's either what their parents, friends, or (more rarely) their ideals lined up with. This system is broken and needs to be fixed, and fixed in a way that benefits the common man, not some investment banker on wall street or some defense contractor that's making tons of grant money fighting a war against an enemy we can never win against.\n\nIf we can get one little change to benefit the common man, maybe then we can start the ball rolling and get to the point where the government serves the people like it was originally intended to do, instead of serving the politicians and their millionaire buddies.",
"Isn't that a character fallacy and not an appeal to authority? E.g., someone of Bush's character critizing Trump is important precisely because Bush's character isn't that good. Either way it's not a good argument. ",
"You're entire argument is a straw man.\n\nIf you want a real response make a real argument. \n\nI never said anything about mao or outrage or anything.\n\nYou just made that shit up. \n\nRead my argument and respond to it or fuck off.\n\nIt's not a childish remark, it's the argument you deserve.",
"Two people against homosexuality ",
">First off, you did not mention a specific poster\n>>Except the hand over the mouth/silence gesture is demonstrably associated with caution. i.e. loose lips/**shut your face.**\n\nIt's the first thought given. Granted it's formatted in a way that's easy to miss, but both are very notable works of Americana.\n\n> Second off, you're missing the point; the meaning of this poster isn't the same as that one. This poster is not MLK cautioning Trump that his speech or tweets are dangerous to security.\n\nNowhere in my response to OP did I lay such an assertion. OP claimed that the image of a hand pressed firmly against a mouth is synonymous only with silencing for disagreements's sake and they couldn't possibly fathom elsewise. It was my hope to disabuse them by offering a famous counter example. The underlying premise being that OP is hiding behind some bastardized notion of symbolism in attempt to stiffle alternate interpretations. Even you yourself agree, albeit tacitly, that the act isn't a form of censorship.",
"I tip my hat to you, good sir. ",
"A good day to you sir! :)",
"Just pointing out autism. Stop projecting",
"> I love you\n\nLove is symbolized with an embrace, an open hand, etc. None are displayed here. \n\n> I want you to \n\nThat is a suggestion. Putting your entire hand over someone's mouth is not a suggestion, it prevents them from talking. \n\nWith respect- I think you are projecting your own views into this image, rather than interpreting the image for what it actually contains. ",
"Same idiot who gilded it. Someone actually paid money towards this...",
"He's asking if there are people citing MLK was a racist bigot. These people aren't doing that.",
"You're sick if you want violence. Civil war in America ends with conservatives having total control. They have all the food and guns.",
"Trump 2020!!!",
"Why would anyone think MLK would be against Trump? They're both republicans and the policies Trump wants is in line with MLKs speech. MLK wanted people judged by the content of their character, not the color of their skin, and Trump wants merit based immigration policies or basically policies based on the content of people character. \n\nThe democrats on the other hand want immigration policies based on the color of peoples skin, that's why they're fighting so hard for illegals to stay.",
"No disrespect was intended. I just meant that certain symbols have commonly accepted meanings. They may mean different things to you, but that doesn't necessarily mean a 'correct' interpretation. \n\nHonest question- do you think your own views on Trump influence how you see the image? Or do you think your interpretation is an honest straight up read of what's in the image? I'm curious how you are approaching this...",
"Actually, the opposite of what MLK stands for is King Luther Martin.",
"Yes, MLK was all for censorship and abolishing the first amendment. Fucking retards.",
"Hed be doing that to BLM lol",
"oh come on dude, I'm just trying to have a discussion. You see something in the picture, I don't see how you get from that image to that interpretation so I ask if you're projecting. That's all. ",
"He would never be for silencing free speech.",
"What happened to you r/pics ",
"Very true.",
"Actually I did ask: \n\n> Honest question- **do you think your own views on Trump influence how you see the image?** Or do you think your interpretation is an honest straight up read of what's in the image? I'm curious how you are approaching this...\n\nAnd where did I ever talk about a twatish rightist libertarian agenda? ",
"Maybe your common sense is different then mine: covfefe, missiles are incoming and fire in the theatre are not free speech.",
"Ok. Go fuck yourself. ",
"Trump Literally made mlk day a federal holiday 🤔",
"MLK is MLK, not your avatar for manipulating people into opposing the current sitting President; you should be ashamed of yourself.",
"His niece continues to be an outspoken Trump supporter, which doesn't have to be a reflection on MLK himself, but it something to consider.",
"> It’s actually disrespectful, MLK wouldnt silence those he opposes \n\nI don't think MLK ever had to deal with 500,000 emotionally stunted neckbeards spamming NIGGER at him behind Pepe avatars on Twitter tbh. \n",
"Thank you. This was my first thought too, but you expressed it far better and more eloquently than I could ever have done.",
"You've just argued that a viewpoint you oppose should be rejected outright and unconditionally, and that the very opposing viewpoint you're referring to is \"pseudo-authoritarian\" in the very same comment.\n\nYou are the one that is unhinged, and everyone can see it in your comment alone.",
"Lol. \n \nJust look at the Bill Nye VS Ken Ham debate. \n \nBill totally destroyed Ken with logic, reason and evidence, as one should. Yet, plenty of people still came out supporting Ken Ham and his magic boat. He even has his own shitty Arc Encounter now. \n \nMy point is that many people don't care about reason, logic, and evidence. They would rather just feel good than look for the hard truth. Trump and Ken Ham both give out this good feeling, regardless of any sense, and will always win in the eyes of people that don't care about proper reasoning. \n \nYou can point out all the flaws the goat has, but the idiots will keep cheering for it regardless. \n \nAs you said, it probably will make some people change their mind on the matter, but at the same time it will expose the feel good goat to more people, leading to more support for that side too. ",
"I interpreted this a different way. Not as censorship but more of a \"be quiet if you can't inspire\" type of thing. ",
"I like to imagine Trump is licking MLK's hand to see if he's really made out of chocolate and his shocked expression is [finding out that he is](/spoiler)\n",
"They changed the vote system just for this...",
"No piratedave, fighting *against* tyranny isn't somehow also tyranny.\n\nThis is the false paradox that the rightwing has tried - unsuccessfully - to use as a deflection of criticisms for their bigotry. I understand the logic loop that you guys are going for, but in the real world, societies and nations operate on basic shared values. America, as you know if you've taken a single history class, is founded on liberal principles, and that is what has led us on a trajectory of expanding justice and liberties. That bedrock is immovable, no matter how shitty the government gets.\n\nYou'll see this become manifest later this year during midterm elections.",
"Identifying things you don't agree with as tyranny in order to manipulate others into agreeing with and supporting your position is tyranny; people can read your bullshit and decide for themselves.",
"The hell does that even mean ",
"And I condone running people over if they’re rioting in the streets. So I actually like MLK.",
"Those are not gibberish or indecent or against common sense. Those things are actively harmful, IE yelling fire in a theater will make people run for the exits, often being injured in the process. I don't think it's illegal to say missiles are incoming though. \n\nAll of that is very different from anything Trump has said. ",
"You forgot the word some in myst of your sentences.\n\nYou are all talk. Now move on with your life.",
"Okay, let's talk about \"people.\"\n\n\"People\" believe that Trump is the worst president in living memory. They also think the GOP congress is spineless and corrupt. They also reject racism, sexism, islamophobia, homophobia, and every backwards hateful dog-whistle that the rightwing is trying so desperately to revitalize. \"People\" believe that climate change is the biggest global threat of our time. They believe that it's the government's job to expand access to education and healthcare for all. They are against gerrymandering, institutional brain-drain, and the greedy deregulation of banks and fossil fuels. And they're tired of an incompetent, racist, barely coherent con-man-turned-wannabe-despot representing the country.\n\nAgain. You'll see us \"decide for ourselves\" later this year. The brainwashed, hate-mongering rightwing will be kicked back under the rock it crawled out of. And \"bullshit\" such as the pointless pseudo-logical concern-trolling you guys are shoveling in this thread, will be thoroughly laughed away.",
"I'd like to think this isn't a message of MLK censoring towards those he would surely disagree, but rather a gesture and reminder saying. \"Think about the words you choose, and the impact and meaning it might hold.\"\n\n",
"Too bad your school never taught you how the two parties switched platforms in the 1960's, when Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil Rights act. The racist Dixiecrats switched parties and became Republicans. That's when the Republican party stopped being the party of Lincoln, and became the party of the KKK.\n\n",
"The more you proselytize, the more you show how unhinged and baseless your perspective is.",
"I don't like Trump either but I do not like censorship it helps no one. If you dislike racist remember they are minority in our society do not try to silence them let them speak then they'll disappear. Also this is disrespectful towards MLK.",
"\"Baseless\"?\n\nPick any one of those topics and I'll show you the data backing it up.\n\nNot that it would make a difference to someone who has already relinquished their brain to the rightwing fantasy factory.",
"I think that they were trying to convey opposition since there are so many people that try to claim MLK as a conservative or that he would be ashamed of African Americans today.\n\nI agree with you though, this was the wrong way to convey that message. I've never been a fan of censorship and I'm not try to claim that MLK would have agreed with me on everything, but I think his record and actions were pretty clear on censorship. He wanted to be heard, not silence everyone else and he wanted others to be heard as well.",
"The comment you've now deleted?",
"Considering there's a 'disable inbox replies' option, that's a pretty weak reasoning; it's okay to feel shame man, like I said, you should be.",
"Lol. A nation != a race. \n\nAnd what if that country is a country we're at war with? Should they be allowed to immigrate here?\n\nTell me, what state do you live in? Would you think it would be a good idea to take 1,000 people from the city in your state with the absolute worst crime, and move them into the best neighborhood in your town?\n\nDo you monitor your own neighborhood or who comes and goes in your own house? ",
"predictable. ",
"Didn’t mlk listen to his opponents because silencing them is just what they were doing to him and he wanted equality not oppression ",
"Donold trump needs to shut up and get off Twitter ",
"No, it's **political.** Why the fuck should we just let anyone and everyone into our country? ",
"\"My intentions are honorable and virtuous and they are Nazis.\" That about right?",
"Right...**after** he started running for president. Until then, all the black community praised him and everyone loved him.",
"I don't see this as censorship, but rather \"think before you speak\". It's an assertive but gentle gesture, not aggressive.\n\nThere's no really another way I can think of to demonstrate that with an image.",
"I've never seen that poster before and I didn't know it by name. People in my position wouldn't know you were talking about any specific poster in particular since \"shut your mouth\" is a pretty common phrase.",
"I don't think that Democratic opposition is as blind as you say. \n\nIt is based on a multitude of reasons that do have evidence behind that. \n\nThe people claiming that Trump is sexist do have evidence of him saying that he could use his positoin and power to sexuallt assult people and it would be okay. \n\nThe people who say that he is racist have a wealth of evidence to use to back up that statement. \n\nThe people who claim that he is profiting of the office of presidency can support that idea with evidence. \n\nAs can the people who claim that he committed obstruction of justice. \n\nAnd more moderated? Obama was called a Muslim by all quarters. Trump called Obama a founder of ISIS. That's not well moderated. \n\nResistance to Trump is a lot stronger because he is unqualified for the job. And that's just not my opinion. That's the opinion of many others who don't agree with me on politics. Romney. McCain. Kasich",
"well im here if you want to talk. ",
"It’s all your faults! All of ya’s!",
"That image kinda makes me sick. I understand the motivation, kind of. . . \n\nActually, fuck this drawing and fuck the person that thought drawing this was a good idea. Nothing about this drawing makes sense for the reasons everyone else ok here are stating. The most disturbing thought is that someone drew this thinking it was making a clever and valid point.",
"Never have I seen so much of reddit summed up in one word. Thank you.",
"It's literally what the poster is about",
"Judging by the edit, you're a bit salty that someone called out your fake news :)",
"I say it's blind opposition because an awful LOT of people made up their minds that Trump is the devil pretty early on in the campaign, and thus oppose literally whatever he says without considering the implications. \n\nMy real problem though is the lack of acknowledgment that there WERE legitimate reasons to vote for Trump. The basic attitude was 'the only reason to vote Trump is because you're a racist/sexist/xenophobe/misogynist/pussygrabber/neo-nazi/otherwise deplorable'. There was no acknowledgment that a lot of people had valid reasons for voting for Trump. \n\nI also call it blind opposition because whatever Trump says is immediately taken in the worst possible context. Trump speaks in an abrasive manner which doesn't help, but the result is the same. ",
"Except he was talking about Nigeria which sends literally the most educated immigrants of any group in the US",
"r/polipics strikes again... 30k upvotes ok this trash ",
">However the Democratic blind opposition to Trump is FAR FAR stronger. No Republican I've seen ever posted 'unfriend me if you support Obama'. The Republicans hated Obama, but that hate didn't extend to anyone who dare support him for any reason.\n\nWhat? They literally said he was a demon that hated America and wanted it to fail. ",
"The left had this agenda but when Trump won, all he’ll broke loose.\n",
"Company was called 'Correct The Record', there are a lot of reddit articles about it. Still happy to link if you can't find good info.",
"Yes, that's attacking Obama. They loved attacking Obama. \n\nDems on the other hand are/were happy to attack their own friends if those friends dared support Trump. \n\nThere's a big difference between attacking a candidate you don't like, and attacking your friends because they dare disagree with you. ",
"So, that's the kind of sentence an adult would write in your world? You're knocking my socks off over here, keep it coming.",
"The liberal and conservative view point on equal rights certainly for Black people and gays trans etc. is \"ask nicely and wait until we decide we want to give it to you because it is ours to give. \"its transparent and breaks down at even slight questioning. Which is why as Black person, I do not presume so-called liberals to be \"on my side\" when it comes to issues of race etc. MLK knew this and knew it well. So don't think that just because you are using MLK as your hammer against Blacks you're all that much different than say Bill O'Reilly or your \"conservative friends\" ",
"Dude, no. There's enough of a precedent of him retweeting racist shit, supporting outright racists, and supporting racist causes that we can reasonably assume him not wanting people from majority black countries is racially motivated. These comments don't exist in a vacuum.",
"I'm pretty sure saying that you support a literal demon and that you are Unamerican if you support Obama, and that Obama supporters support Isis is at least on par with that. Not to mention the whole #notmypresident thing started under Obama not Trump. I'm not sure where you're getting this revisionist history from. \n\nFor decades, republicans have been saying that democrats are unamerican etc. and Hillary makes one qualified statement and all of a sudden thats beyond the pale?",
"What do American born citizens have to do with immigration?",
"While there were some reasons to vote for him people did have the pick of any other Republican who would have also championed those same ideas. They could have picked any person to be pro life, or for gun rights or whatever part of the GOP platform they wanted. Yet, the GOP picked Trump. \n\nJohn Kasich for instance. I'm not a fan of his politics nor would be of mine but he and I both in full agreement that Trump is not qualified for office. \n\nAnd those people who did and continue to support Trump did have to examine his sexist and racist past and be okay with that. They had to give it a pass. \n\nTrump lies all the time. There is zero reason to trust what he says. And since the sexist and racist comments were made plus all the Russian involvement and the fact that he is profiting off the presidency there is going to be a lot of obstacles to overcome. \n\n I think you are looking at this from a hell of a powerful filter. GOP criticism of Obama was moderated. He was called a Muslim, a terrorist, the founder of ISIS and someone from Kenya. That's not moderated. \n\nA lot of what you call blind opposition is evidence based opposition based on principled thinking. I don't want anyone who thinks that they can use their power and position to grab someone by the pussy anywhere near the presidency. And I'm not basing that just on blind hate but on the Trump's own words. ",
"And the fact we would deny Haitians when US policy is one of the main reasons for their country's prolonged instability is really tone deaf and horribly insulting. ",
"https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ef/88/4d/ef884d540494f2cf8ff5c0175bc8d44d--enemies-liberty.jpg",
"Never understand why ppl voted for him in the first place hmmm. Seems fair",
"This post is so disrespectful to MLK and President Trump. Today is supposed to be a day of celebrating MLK not pushing political agendas.",
"Okay that's one image. Show me a million people unfriending their friends who support Trump and it'll be equivalent. \n\nI have lots of friends from all over the political spectrum. And I literally did not see one single 'unfriend me if you support X' before 2016. ",
"False.",
"Lol. He was about thirty years late then. It was made a federal holiday in 1986.",
"You show me a million. You're the one making the claim. \n\nYou said #notmypresident started under Trump, thats not true. \n\nYou are claiming that liberal people are the only ones unfriending people over politics, thats not true either. \n\nThere are probably more liberals because liberals tend to live in cities and come from all over and tend to have more people on Fb they disagree with.\n\nRegardless, to say somehow that unfriend me on facebook is the arbiter of \"attacking friends\" rather than saying they are ungodly and unAmerican is just a bizarre claim. \n\n>And I literally did not see one single 'unfriend me if you support X' before 2016.\n\nAlso really? Never? You never saw the I don't support baby killers thing o facebook? like [here](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/39/e6/ac/39e6acd0b829c8b10b35b91d77aecf4a.jpg)\n\nEdit: No response of course. Typical “moderate” on reddit. Distort things to make literally everything 50-50 as if that is somehow akin to rationality, when called on take your ball and go home. ",
"Voter ID laws solve a problem that doesn't really exist. \n\nBut, there is a group that does have a problem with minority people voting. And oddly voter ID laws do originate with that group that does have a problem when minorities vote. ",
"Because they’re wildly chaotic and capricious virtue signalers?",
"Like r/pics isn't the same way.",
"TIL the FBI wiretapping a suspected criminal organization is illegal. Man, a lot of mafia dons will be super relieved!",
"One of his nieces supports trump. That’s it. But then we all have crazy relatives, don’t we?",
"You're probably right. Sort of a variation on ad hominem.",
"MLK was a socialist. He would have been a Bernie bro on panels with Cornell West.",
"Lol, like what? You’re hilarious.",
"Nope, just like pointing out Bad English and pissing people off...clearly it’s working :) stay triggered ",
"One niece, yes. His immediate family? Fuck no. You’re delusional.",
"Because a painting = real life. ",
"[laughs and vomits at the same time]\n\nYou people slay me.",
"Funny you mention proletariat, considering MLK was a democratic socialist.",
"“It’s okay when WE do it!”",
"you said they were less likely to contribute than norwegians, but if they're already more likely to contribute then americans than i think your problem might be with americans. Maybe we should take africans, and send you and your alt right homies to the shitholes. as long as you have mountain dew, internet access, and cheetos, i think you'll be ok. ",
"No, real life is the riots the left usually takes part in when they target innocent people. This is just a minor reflection of double standards.",
"That not why ppl voted for trump. But by means keep painting millions of Americans with a broad stroke ",
"Andddd we have a winner! Anyone who doesn't agree with me is part of the alt right 😅😅😅 classic liberal logic! It really is sad that you dumb fucks never learn anything even after all the lesson being thrown in your face. I can't even debate someone that thinks that way, it's like trying to debate an animal. ",
"You cannot argue with a stupid.....let alone debate...\n\nWhich fantasy world you are living in?",
"You mean the seven trash cans that got burned by anarchists? Yeah, that definitely represents all of “the left”. Just like Nazis represent all of “the right”, right? Brilliant.",
"Hypothetically scenarios that happen to push your narrative...",
"Violent left attack defenseless woman.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu0ei9TTf4o\n\nRacist people kidnap, torture, and attack disabled man who they think supports Trump.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BbQ8_cYqUs\n \nMore peace and tolerance.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQmbn7ndvZQ\n\nSo accepting.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lk1kvZ_WNY\n\nThat shit party has been violent since the day they owned slave, they are still violent and you are talking about trash cans. Fuck these people and people like you that support them.",
"You seem sad",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myWaa6xvPZ4",
"Yes, you're holding up a dummy going 'Look at what this dummy did to me.' It's textbook straw-manning. Even your reasoning to why it wasn't straw-manning was straw-manning.",
"Should I be quoting shit from breitbart or something. Give me a break.",
"Trump is on record for a long list of racist shit.\n\nAnd no. Trump was talking about immigration from 'shithole' countries and that the people wouldn't go back to their 'huts' and all that. The fact that he then also mentions he wants people from place like Norway (white) and such really puts a clear view on things. He doesn't want anyone from Africa. At all. No matter what.",
"Same one as you. Only difference between us is our experiences. \n\nI have found through experience that 'you cannot debate a stupid' is often totally untrue. I've had a great many fascinating conversations that start with comments which would generally cause most people to write the other person off as stupid and useless, but because I give them the benefit of the doubt, we have a conversation from which we both benefit. \n\nFrom this I conclude that writing people off as stupid without even trying to engage them is a counterproductive strategy that does not help anyone. ",
"Sit down. Be humble.",
"Keep echoing whatever narrative makes you feel better bud",
"I never said we should, but if someone busts their ass to legally immigrate here and contribute to this country, why should it matter if they're from Haiti or Norway?",
"Go look up the strawman fallacy, you don't seem to know what it is.\n\nA strawman is when you respond to an argument nobody made in lieu of one that they actually made.\n\nNobody had made an argument, and that wasn't a response to one. Now go be mentally inept somewhere else.",
"\"First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to \"order\" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: \"I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action\"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a \"more convenient season.\" Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.\"\n\n— Letter From a Birmingham Jail, 1963",
"You’re a hoot! Dumb, but a real hoot!",
"Because, we as a country, should be selective about who we bring in and who we exclude. Everyone wants to come here. There's no reason to not just accept the best and brightest, the smartest, the people who have skills we need. There are going to be more college educated engineers from Norway than there are from Haiti. \n\nWe should also be bringing in people whose cultures are similar to ours, or who will make an effort to assimilate. ",
"You're still doing it. \n\n\"MLK would be derided as a white supremacist in the current political climate. If you're black and not a neo-segregationist then you're a racist Uncle Tom/House negro.\" \n\n\"It's it really a strawman if I've been called exactly that for exactly the same reason? No\" \n\nhttps://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman ",
"And should that selection be based on location or qualification? And how do you know that some one from Haiti or an African country won't make an effort to assimilate? Because they're already here and they already do.",
"> how do you know that some one from Haiti or an African country won't make an effort to assimilate? Because they're already here and they already do.\n\nWhere do you live, bro? The all white suburbs?",
"**YOU NEED TO BE RESPONDING TO A FUCKING ARGUMENT TO STRAWMAN**\n\nI wasn't representing or misrepresenting anyone's argument. I was literally stating what I've experienced for expressing MLK's views.\n\nEven your link says:\n\n>>fabricating someone's argument\n\nEveryone here is now 10 IQ points lower for having to read your idiocy.",
"Your too dense to see beyond your own politics. Hillary wasn’t exactly the most trustworthy person; a lot of them voted against her.\n\nWhy do you think no one cares about border security? I want more border security and I’m Mexican ",
"Not relevant but I live in a pretty diverse area actually. Now answer the question, how do you know they won't assimilate? ",
"Uh... the fucking artist you're commenting on? Why their commentary is bad because someone you know did a thing? Yeah that's straw-manning.",
"It actually is relevant. Tell me the \"they already do\" to the massive Muslim neighborhoods in Paris or London, or the no-go zones in Germany. Or, if you wanna ignore all that, ask me about the Somalian communities who live near me that literally won't learn English, don't go anywhere with anyone but each other, don't wear anything remotely Western and make absolutely no attempt to assimilate what so ever. Oh, and go on welfare. ",
"Oh boy anecdotes, I'm convinced. And I've lived in Germany, the \"no-go zones\" are exaggerated to hell and back, and we're talking about American immigration anyway.",
"I don’t give a shit about your politics. Dumbass, I never said you were a Democrat. If building a wall ensures national integrity, I’m all for it. Lol. Ok so apparently Mexico is not responsible for its drug cartels. It has nothing to do with their government being corrupt. How’s it like blaming others for someone else’s problems? I bet it’s satisfying. And of course you ppl weaponize ethnicity when it suits your goals but don’t care when it’s used against you. Fucking hypocrites",
"You made a claim without evidence. Do you really need me to dig up stats on Muslim immigration and crime all throughout Europe? \n\nYou clearly haven't lived anywhere among many refugees or recent immigrants, or you wouldn't be talking like you are. Maybe you live near a handful, or a family here and there, but you sure af don't live anywhere near a large group of immigrants. This shit absolutely, 100% does happen, and only the brainwashed left tries to deny it.",
"Okay cool, maybe it does, but that isn't a good enough reason to ban people from underdeveloped countries and only allow Europeans or what have you.",
"What makes you say that?\n\nIt's well known and documented that he never openly endorsed a candidate or party. ",
"Never said \"ban\" people from underdeveloped countries. Can you even follow an argument?",
"What fucking courtesy? You said I was too dense to understand your politics.... oh Jesus Christ. Why is everything about racists. “What would the racists think? :0” Is that literally what motivates your existence? Sure, keep denying Mexico’s corruption. That’ll fix things. Lol are srsly complaining about rudeness? Whatever buddy",
"I didn't say shit about the artist or their art. Are you completely off your rocker? You're halfway to making an actual strawman. \n\nBut seriously, you're just making everyone here more stupid for having to deal with you",
"Are you srsly trying to push the whole “you started being rude to me first >:(“ schtick? You told me to buzz off. How’s that for courtesy? Sounds like your pushing 100% of the blame on someone else you hypocrite ",
"Lmao your patience isn’t worth a damn thing. And maybe don’t tel ppl to buzz off?",
"There are plenty of quotes from reputable sources. Youre the one stuck in a trump can do no wrong narrative. Project much?",
">Lol the article was written by a white person, literal white on white oppression\n\n[This guy?](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ehBYOeEJhQY/maxresdefault.jpg) This is the guy you are telling me is white? Put the pipe down. \n\nNot that the race of the author even makes a difference to the message, unless you subscribe to the social justice caste system that is.\n\n>if you're a failure in life and you're white it's because you're a failure\n\nNo shit. It's called personal responsibility. I'm glad that you've at least heard of it. Sounds like you've begun to understand black failure in America.\n",
"I can follow the argument just fine, that's what the original statement was. \"Why are we even allowing people from these 'shithole' countries?\"",
"You’re the one bitching about other ppl being rude, you idiot. Don’t give a shit what you do ",
"Show me the quote",
"Spread it far and wide. They like to think the world is laughing at Trump and his supporters just because the EU globalists are screeching across the pond. Let them know what a nation of 2 billion people thinks of them.",
"MLK's daughter supports Trump.",
"Sure buddy. Keep thinking you have the high ground if it helps sleep better",
"So you were making no comment about the conversation in question. Ok I can accept that. So you decided to respond to: \n>Sadly, if MLK gave his \"I have a dream speech\" in a place like Berkeley in 2017 some of it would likely be viewed as hate speech and there would have been a riot. \n\nwith \n\n>MLK would be derided as a white supremacist in the current political climate. If you're black and not a neo-segregationist then you're a racist Uncle Tom/House negro. \n\nand you're actual point wasn't about how MLK is viewed in relation to the painting, or that your interactions with some random person isn't justification for that belief despite saying so immediately after. \n\nSo you're engaging in whataboutism instead of straw-manning. My mistake.\n",
"https://www.wsj.com/articles/economists-credit-trump-as-tailwind-for-u-s-growth-hiring-and-stocks-1515682893",
"/s right?\n\n.... right?",
"You realize I’m Mexican right? Am I being racist against my own ppl now?",
"Lmao internalized racism. Way to use my race against me",
"If I’m white im racist\nIf I’m Mexican I’ve internalized racism",
"Great picture if your goal was to totally disrespect MLK. This place is a total shithole now. ",
"Yes I hate my family.... dumbass",
"I know what it means. I’m pointing out how stupid it sounds. You guys have a word to cover when minorities don’t agree with you. Not surprising.",
"Because I’m not white... supporting national integrity is racist?",
"I doubt OP is a fan of research",
"Sigh. So caring about your country is racist now. When did I say a goddamn thing about Muslims? I said I want a wall to keep illegal immigrants out. If they want to come here legally, that’s fine. But keep thinking I’m racist dumbass. Lol did you just assume I meant white ppl? I didn’t. Jesus Christ you can’t read",
"This post is clearly being astroturfed ",
"Literally you brought racism up. Wtf. What’s wrong with you? Legal immigrants are fine. Laws are put in place for a reason. Don’t give a shit if they’re the strictest. I’m an asshole yet you keep responding like some masochist",
"How dare you speak against the hivemind?!",
"Whatever dude. Just chalk this up as a win for you and go to bed",
"I’m impressed. Pretty sure you were angling at some moral superiority ",
"Could say the same for you",
"It already is.",
"Sure you didn’t",
"What do you think it's about exactly? I'm gonna assume \"lol trump should shut up hahaha let's stick a random historical figure as the one to do it with no historical significance or anything\" ",
"Oops thank you",
"Hahah. gtfo and dont come back. Anti american piece of filth.",
"How would MLK reacted to the deportation of Jorge Garcia ? A child brought to America at age 10 and now deported 30 years later. He leaves behind a wife and children to fend for themselves. No criminal record. Paid his taxes. Raised a family. How god awful have the moral standards of America slid to allow for this. I expect MLK would have been outraged.",
"There is no engagement, you are turning a willing blind eye. If someone said \"I hate those damn niggers\", you would say, \"They arent racist. They just meant THOSE particular group over there, not ALL black people.\" or some asinine excuse. I know because I live and grew up in the South, surrounded by people who say the most racist shit, but will swear they are not racist. There is no engagement with you. You are just making excuses for each individual piece of evidence and pretending everything happened in a vaccuum instead of a continuing pattern of racist behavior.\n\nRacism has a real meaning and a real definition. Its not just the stereotypical redneck with the Confederate flag just 'itchin fer a lynchin'. It doesnt even have to be hateful. But he has a history (as shown through multiple examples just in that one article) of treating minorities as a group and having negative opinions of them. His actions have been consistently racist.\n\nLike the Central Park 5. He REALLY seemed to care about that particular crime, and even after they were proven innocent he said he didnt care, they should still get the death penalty. You think it would be the same if it were whites? How about proof of this hypothetical. Go back and look at every single terror attack thats happened. If it is a Muslim, he immediately comments and condemns on twitter. However, if its a nazi or a white person, he wants to make sure we have all the facts first. Why the different treatment for the same situation?\n\nHe was the leader of the whole birther movement. That by itself was incredibly racist. Not just the initial questioning of the black guys birth, yeah, thats racist, but continuing it on after evidence was provided and refusing to accept the fact.\n\nAnd that list is evidence enough. He said WITH HIS OWN WORDS that the judge could not be objective because he is Mexican and that makes him biased. You conveniently ignored that and asked if it wasnt politically motivated, what was it? Well trump says it was because of his race. Racist.\n\nAlso, you ignored most of the list. You know why? Because its exhausting. Every time one of these incidents happened, I, along with a good part od this country and the world, argued why they were racist. Ive wasted countless hours trying to have a calm reasonable discussion and calmly explain why these things are racists. And what does that do? For certain people, it does not matter. They will NEVER acknowledge he is or change their mind NO MATTER WHAT. They refuse to believe it and come up with ANY OTHER POSSIBLE REASON in the universe how his actions arent racist, and ignore or handwave away all the rest.\n\nSo yeah, forgive me for saying for being short and kess than cordial to people who still refuse to acknowledge it. Maybe at the beginning you could have said some of those words and actions were odd or poorly framed, but shit keeps happening. Those stones keep accumulating on one side of those scales and its obvious and undefendable. The rest of the world sees it, the vast majority of the country sees it, even his supporters see it (they agree with his views, but they HATE the label racist with a passion). So, no it doesnt do any good to argue with people who have no intentions of considering the evidence and being open minded enough to change their opinion. Because I have. I hesitated at first to people throwing out the racist accusation and tried to defend any other reason why he might say those things (side effect of growing up around racists I guess, since not all of their ignorance is directly attributed to racism), but incident after incident proved harder to defend before I finally had to concede that yes, he is definitely racist.",
"So maybe there's 3 federal holidays for MLK now >> Reagan, JFK, and Trump? Loll",
"Well the post is only 60% upvoted, so it also has over 20k downvotes.",
"He stated how MLK would likely be treated if he had his \"I have a dream\" speech today. I responded with how MLK would likely be treated based on my own experiences expressing his views on segregation.\n\nYou have absolutely no idea what these fallacies you're chucking out left and right are. Whataboutism is a deflection of an argument or criticism by bringing up a separate subject. I wasn't responding to an argument or criticism, I was adding to the prior poster's point.\n\nThis is the last repeat you get, because frankly you are a moron. I've already had to repeat myself twice because you're too inept to read and comprehend basic English.",
"I think that race does play a role, but it's more indirect. I think the largest factors that influence lives are growing up in poverty, growing up in a broken home, and educational attainment. A 'white trash' redneck kid named Jethro growing up in run-down, drug infested trailer park will likely have the same outcomes as Deshaun growing up in a drug-infested ghetto is what I'm saying. Not because of race, but because of other, more important factors. ",
"Not only have you been a pleasure to converse with, I have totally found you to be a stand-up human being. I especially like how you didn't use ad hominems and don't make loaded statements. Stay classy.",
"Ad hominem requires I attack you in lieu of your argument, avoiding the argument you made by attacking you instead. \n\nAd hominem would have been: You're wrong because you're retarded\n\nWhereas my comment was: You're wrong and here's why, followed by pointing out you are also retarded.\n\n\nSee the difference? Now how about you go learn your damn fallacies.\n\n",
"You've spent so much time being a slimy little fuck on the internet that you have managed to reach the highest tier of semantic dishonesty. You know the exact mental gymnastics you went through to worm your way through this argument just as well as I. If your actual opinion wasn't noxious to start I'd be impressed. \n\n\nSee, I can do it too. Now I just peg on my original statement: Ad hominem is taking the focus of the argument from the subject and diverting it to the speaker, which is why it's a [logical falacy](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem) but you already know that.",
"Holy Bananas, \n\nDo you realize by labeling and judging liberals as all the same, you are doing the exact same thing:\n\n> judge me by the content of my character\n\nProceeds to judge people based off of political affiliation in the very next sentence.\n\nMy soul hurts.",
"Your own source:\n\n>>overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as **a way to discredit their argument.**\n\nYour argument isn't wrong because you're retarded, it's wrong for the reasons I've already stated and you also happen to be retarded.\n\nNow, come back when that last part no longer applies.",
"See there's that semantic dishonesty again. \n\nAre you saying that because you didn't say 'you are wrong because you are retarded' you are exempt? We both know better.",
"Nope, still just the one. ",
"I hate to break it to you but those people weren't conservatives they were just pieces of shit",
"What make me say that? That he described himself as a socialist, mainly.",
"You're referring to a discredited CNN article, that was an opinion piece...\n\n “I don't think the Republican party is a party full of the almighty God nor is the Democratic party.\" \n\nthat's a real quote. ",
"It wasn't a way to discredit or respond to your argument. I'd already responded to your argument. And that's the last repetition you get there, and the last you get overall. I'm done playing special needs teacher",
"I’m not referring to anything but his words that he said. \n\n“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”\n\n“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”",
"If that's true, that sucks. Siding more closely with the people that wanted to keep you as slaves. That's pretty horrendous. ",
"Then why would King say what he did if in fact this was the case? Because “the times were like that”?",
"Ok have a nice life.",
"Awesome I’m gonna watch all of these! Thanks",
"Sure.",
"This is actually one of the worst things that can happen for a country and I'm not talking about the US. People treat immigration as something that people are entitled to but don't realize exactly what immigration does. \n\nAsk this question, if the best and brightest of a country leave, what's left? \n\nThis is one of the fundamental issues with immigration in general. Population growth outnumbers resource growth in terms of people having first world lifestyles. What this means is that if we tried to redistribute wealth to cover an influx of people seeking better lives, it would destroy the entire economy and ecosystem. It can't be absorbed. This is why we and every other country has to control immigration.\n\nHowever, if the best and brightest from a country choose to stay in their country and improve it, then we expand out the scope of the resources. You don't end up in situations where 1st world countries are focused on how much immigration they can \"absorb\" or even focus on merit based immigration. You provide a chance for not just the best and brightest to succeed, but everyone in the area to be improved who would otherwise been unable to because of their lack of resources.\n\n[Here's a really good video on the subject.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE)",
"The problem with drone strikes is that something like 80% of the people killed are not the intended target.\n\nI agree that if we could just push a button and zap the bad guys, it would be an awesome tool. But the accuracy has been very poor and despite that information, we ramped up the strikes.\n\n\nMy point wasn't to get into specific issues about Trump or Obama, it was just that people are *looking* for things to get outraged about and often times they are scraping the bottom of the barrel. It devalues the legitimate concerns. ",
"DO you think Donald Trump was calling Nigeria a shithole because he was concerned about Nigeria as a country? Please. \n\nStop goal post moving. First, you claim they're illiterate and now its a problem they are too educated. \n\nAnd its nowhere near an influx. \n\nEven in his surrogates defense of his statements they claim that it was based on his desire for a merit based system, which can't be true because as I said they are literally the most educated group. \n\n",
"Do you really think that's what I suggested in my post? \n\nYou were the one who suggested that they are sending their best and brightest. I just pointed out that even that is not something to strive for.\n\nAnd Nigeria is a shithole. Again, looking at the lowest possible level of education which is literacy rate, they don't even reach 60%. Trying to cherry pick out \"oh, but we get the smart ones\" is not even an argument. It's a desperate plea because you are so caught up in your ignorant despise of Trump that you can't fathom anything logical. You want to prove me wrong, then provide a source for your claims. Until then, go back to your little circlejerk of hating Trump because I'm tired of trying to actually have real conversations and instead get the pathetic garbage you just spewed out. Do better.",
"Its just a literal fact. If oyu look at immigrant education. Nigeria is first. So if Trump was focused on a merit based system as he himself has claimed, then they would be the immigrants he would want. Go look it up and use facts instead of acting like a child. \n\nNot to mention that Afircan immigrants in general are ducated at a higher level than the US genral population. ",
"It always has been.",
"https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-just-asian-immigrants-who-excel-in-the-u-s-\n\nhttp://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php\n\nhttp://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-global-african-immigrants-explainer-20180112-story.html\n\nhttp://www.chron.com/news/article/Data-show-Nigerians-the-most-educated-in-the-U-S-1600808.php#src=fb",
"I'm sorry, but saying \"its just a literal fact\" is not a source. \n\nYes, you need to provide a source. Yes, that's called supporting your argument. \n\nUntil you provide a source, then make sure you realize that you are completely full of shit. I mean, you need to realize that if you have nothing to support your argument that is actually sourced, then how exactly are you making the argument in the first place? ",
"Because that is how the democratic party works.",
"Interesting stuff was there anything about them actually paying Reddit to post comments because according to the article I read about it appeared like it was just paid trolls. Pretty sure all sides involved had paid trolls.",
"Put them in separate comment. Stop acting like a child. ",
"I'm not claiming they paid reddit directly, just that they were paying people to post positive comments about her (on here and other social media).\n\nI haven't seen evidence of the right paying posters though. Not saying it didn't happen but just haven't heard of it except for speculation and russian stuff.",
"Finally, you actually figured it out. It's pathetic that you even made the comment \"it's just a literal fact\" in the first place. Did you just not think I was going to hold you to actually providing sources.\n\nNow, here's the fun thing and the thing you can't seem to grasp. The people who are immigrating to the US LEGALLY... I feel like I need to specify this because people like you get confused about the whole \"legal\" immigration thing... these are the people who have the money and resources typically to do it. In short, it's not surprising that the people immigrating to the US are the ones who also have higher educations. \n\nThe problem here is that this immigration is not based on merit but instead based on finances. So, while we see a majority of people getting into the US under financial means, it's not something that is universal. The important aspect of this is to realize that if we apply our immigration standards as financial standards across the board, then it also sets the standard from countries like Haiti, Mexico, South America, etc. It also doesn't put any restrictions on the parts of the population that we DON'T want in the country, which are represented by the people who can't even read as a basic necessity.\n\nBy setting the standards to be MERIT based, then we can ensure that immigrants from any country meet the requirements of becoming a US citizen. This is not some crazy concept. It's the types of systems that most 1st and many 2nd world nations employ. Canada and Mexico both have merit based systems as their method for legal immigration and those are just two examples.\n\nHere's a quote from one of your sources that I feel expresses this directly:\n\n*\"When a country selects immigrants for their educational background and technical skills, it doesn’t just get smart people -- it gets families committed to education, hard work and future-oriented life planning.\"*\n\nHere's another quote from your sources that reinforces the system that Trump is pushing for:\n\n*\"That’s one reason why the U.S. should shift its immigration system to be more like Canada’s. Canada famously awards prospective immigrants with “points,” based on education and other skill-based qualifications.*\"\n\nActually, I really like your sources, they keep making my arguments for me:\n\n*\"One additional reason the U.S. should do this is to foster economic equality. Low-skilled immigrants compete with native-born Americans who do jobs like fixing houses, landscaping yards, cleaning buildings and staffing cash registers. That holds down the wages of less-educated Americans. If the U.S. switched to a Canada-style system, it would ease up the pressure on working-class Americans.\"*\n\nAt the end of the day, pushing the merit based systems would still allow for educated people to immigrate to the US. It also protects the US from immigrating the people who are from shitholes. It really shows just how big of a shithole Nigeria is if they are one of the biggest educated immigrants to the US. It's like anyone who gets educated realizes it and gets out. Again, they still have a <60% literacy rate and that's not going away.",
"oh and look\n\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/01/16/sens-cotton-and-perdue-are-outed-for-lying-on-trumps-behalf/?utm_term=.69c4738c3700\n\nThe two people that trump-cultist SDResistor is clinging to for dear life were proven to be lying to defend trump. WHO COULD HAVE SEEN THIS COMING?",
"That's a failure in intelligence, though, not the platform. Targets are decided on and briefed well before anything is in the air. F-22s would be hitting the same targets, just for more money. The real problem is that we got lax in consideration for collateral damage.",
"Just read your statement back to yourself out loud to hear how utterly ridiculous you sound. ",
"You've provided no sources for anything you've said. Yet are expecting me to on everything. \n\nYou also are repeatedly acting like a child. \n\nMy point is that pushing for a merit based system would not decrease the amount of immigrants from Nigeria as they are coming to the country via the visa program that is already merit based at a higher rate than other immigrants. \n\nWhich is why it makes no sense to lump immigrants from a place like Haiti with ones from a place like Nigeria because they are sending very different immigrants. \n\nThe first point you appeared to be making was that these immigrants were uneducated and would be drain to society. That is not the case. When presented with new information instead of having a temper tantrum and making your post more *edgy* with sarcasm and rudeness you should attempt to incorporate it into your worldview. \n\nBut as your responses prove, you're not here to have a conversation but just spew insults and act foolish. Enjoy it. \n\nHave a nice day. \n",
"Nope. Youre wrong. When someone says to my face that all white people are evil and the cause of all wrong then i reserve the right to judge that douchebag. Wgen an entire room full of self identified liberals starts chanting \"kill the whites\" in front of me, i reserve the right to judge them as a political group.",
"You find a lot of examples of people calling Trump a racist prior to his presidential run? In fact, the black community loved him.",
"I've been cast in that light before for asking where the line is between speech and violence, especially when it comes to things like hate groups making plans to be violent. My premise was basically, \"In Nazi Germany, when did violent revolution become acceptable?\" \n\nUp until Kristallnacht the Jews had largely just been legally oppressed, the result of which was essentially the loss of the ability for Jews to support themselves. Many Jews left, but most of the world ([including the US](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT9-1b8WoAAfYWt.jpg)) didn't want them and/or actively resisted their immigration. Then a Nazi diplomat was assassinated and the regime retaliated with Kristallnacht, which is more or less the beginning of their implementation of the \"Final Solution\".\n\nDid the German populous need to wait until Kristallnacht before using violence to defend themselves against the political actions of Nazis, which could be dramatically simplified into being called, \"just words\"? Is a preemptive strike always an immoral, illogical response to physically nonviolent actions, even if those actions result in very real problems for people?\n\nThis is intentionally an extreme case, but it came from a thread where people were discussing [this picture](https://abolitionjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/A-woman-hitting-a-neo-Nazi-with-her-handbag-Sweden-1985.jpg) so it made more sense in context. It was supposed to start a conversation about what lines are acceptable to draw regarding free speech, such as the existing limits in the US like \"fighting words\" or shouting \"Fire\" in a theater. More recently there was the girl who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for convincing her boyfriend to commit suicide [via text message](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michelle-carter-convicted-texting-suicide-case-sentenced-15-months-jail-n789276).\n\nI was trying to make the point that in some cases, words can effectively be violent because they have the same effect. What other folks seemed to get from that is that liberals think that mean words are the same as punching someone. That isn't the point I am making, I don't believe that, but many folks seem incapable of seeing that.",
"Trump can do plenty wrong, I just don't flip the fuck out over absolutely anything the man says because I have deep seeded issues. I takes a true sociopath to perform the mental gymnastics to assert that I am projecting. What am I projecting? That makes no sense. The only projection I see is people like you screaming their fucking heads off anything the leader of our country does anything. RACIST!!!!! REEEEE!!!! SEXIST!!!!! HOMOPHOBIC!!!! OMGGGGG fuck off.",
"Why did three people change it. And anyway if Trump is so rascist why would he honor it and also African American unemployment lowest in years.",
"How exactly do you imagine your social revolution ending?",
"If you had questions about my sources, then why didn't you ask for them? Nothing that I posted was anything difficult to bring up and the only information that I posted which would need sourcing would be the literacy rates since those were a large part of the basis for my arguments. \n\nSecond, don't call me a child just because you don't like what I've posted. You made claims and I called those claims into question such that you needed to provide sources for them. Instead of providing sources for them, you literally said \"its just a literal fact\". That is the pinnacle of childishness and you deserve every insult that came at you. The fact that you had to go back and make a second response that actually provided sources makes me think you realized exactly how stupid your first response was. \n\n>My point is that pushing for a merit based system would not decrease the amount of immigrants from Nigeria as they are coming to the country via the visa program that is already merit based at a higher rate than other immigrants.\n\nBut you didn't make this point with any of your comments. You pointed out that Nigeria has a high population of educated immigrants that come through, but that doesn't actually mean that having a merit based system would not decrease the number of immigrants from Nigeria. Let's use your sources again...\n\n*\"Nigerian immigrants are especially educated, with almost two-thirds holding college degrees\"*\n\nSay that 2/3rd's hold degrees, what about the other 1/3rd? In a merit based system, education is one of the strongest factors for approval alongside job placement. You made the claim that a merit based system would not decrease immigration from Nigeria yet 1/3rd of the people immigrating from Nigeria currently do not even have a degree. Do you have a source that backs up the statement that even looking at those without degrees, there would be no decrease in immigrants? \n\n>Which is why it makes no sense to lump immigrants from a place like Haiti with ones from a place like Nigeria because they are sending very different immigrants.\n\nBecause immigration policies apply to all countries, not just the ones you want to pick and choose. If we have a financial based system which basically says \"if you have the money to go through the process and wait long enough, you can get in\", then Haiti and Nigeria and every other country has that same set of guidelines. However, if you transition to a merit based system, then it's going to favor the more intelligent people which would prevent large amounts of people from Haiti (and even Nigeria) from being able to immigrate here who otherwise could have due to the lowered standards.\n\n>The first point you appeared to be making was that these immigrants were uneducated and would be drain to society. That is not the case.\n\nYou cherry picked a handful of people and tried to make that prove your point. You are making the argument that because some immigrants from Nigeria are quality, then the immigration system that we have right now is functioning fine and we don't need to incorporate a merit based system. When I confronted you about the fact that an immigration system also applies to countries like Haiti, you ignorantly deflected by saying we can't lump these countries together. \n\n>When presented with new information instead of having a temper tantrum and making your post more edgy with sarcasm and rudeness you should attempt to incorporate it into your worldview.\n\nHonestly, you set the tone of the conversation from the start. I was just following your lead. If you want to continue to have the \"fuck off\" sign on your forehead where you ignore anything that you don't like and make statements like \"its just literal fact\" then tell me how much respect I should give to you? Exactly. So, maybe if you don't like how I'm responding to you, then maybe stop blaming everyone else and realize how pathetic your responses have been.\n\n",
"\"its just a literal fact\" ... That's what you said in your comment. I don't give a shit if you made another comment with the sources. The fact that you have the stupidity to say that when I ask for sources is amazing. \n\nYou can scream that I'm acting like a child, but there is no comparison when you say shit like that. You don't like, tough shit, not my problem. You were the one who said it and I called you out on it. \n",
"You mean the established trend that started years before the current administration? ",
"You've thrown around about 50 statistics with absolutely nothing to back them up. Turns out, it was a fact and sourced. ",
"So does that mean when Westboro Baptist Church engages regularly in hate speech, that individuals should then reserve the right to judge ALL baptists, Christians, and Republicans as being hateful and bigoted?\n\nI’m sorry, you had to experience that. Sounds really shitty, but those people are NOT representative of liberals as a whole. They are a confused bunch.\n\nI am a liberal. I am also white and a male. I don’t want you to die. The opposite actually, I want you to have affordable healthcare. I want you to know you can go into the doctors office and won’t go bankrupt, if you get bad news. I want the VA to be expanded so our vets can get some fuckin treatment. I want mental health services to be accessible for the homeless, disenfranchised, and those struggling because it’s becoming a serious problem. Definitely don’t want anyone to die because of lack of basic things that we have the ability to provide to everyone.",
"1. I take what most people say on good faith considering we are not in an academic environment.\n\n2. You are acting like a child, children act out and spit out insults when they are confronted. You'll find that I have done no such thing. It has nothing to do with the content of what you say. \n\n3. You are missing the point that Nigeria was one of the countries specifically mentioned which is why I brought it up. Not cherry picked a country out of nowhere. \n\n4. I made the point that a merit based system would not decrease immigration from Nigeria proportionally since they are coming in based on merit on average more than other countries. \n\n>You are making the argument that because some immigrants from Nigeria are quality, then the immigration system that we have right now is functioning fine and we don't need to incorporate a merit based system. When I confronted you about the fact that an immigration system also applies to countries like Haiti, you ignorantly deflected by saying we can't lump these countries together.\n\nThats because that was my entire point. my comments have never and were never about the merit based system, but about Trumps comments which lumped in countries with very different immigration profiles. \n\n>Honestly, you set the tone of the conversation from the start. I was just following your lead. If you want to continue to have the \"fuck off\" sign on your forehead where you ignore anything that you don't like and make statements like \"its just literal fact\" then tell me how much respect I should give to you? Exactly. So, maybe if you don't like how I'm responding to you, then maybe stop blaming everyone else and realize how pathetic your responses have been.\n\nIs it or is not a fact that Nigerian immigrants are the most educated? Yes\n\n It is also a fact that when you asked for sources I provided you with 3 that all say the exact same thing within minutes. The fact that you are clinging to that so disingenuously as if they were not done within literal seconds of each other or had any bearing at all on this conversations is ridiculous and you know it. \n\n It is also a fact that throughout this conversation(if you want to call it that) you've made baseless assumptions and lowered the level of conversation to a schoolyard playground. \n\nYou clearly have no idea how to engage with people that disagree with you and think \"winning' is by getting the most insults in as you can within a paragraph. Unfortunately that's the current sate of discourse in America where cable news owns the day. \n\nRegardless, you are not the type of person worth engaging with any further. \n\nPlease respond however you like, knowing that I won't be reading it. \n\n\nHave a nice day. \n",
"There's only hate in your heart my friend. \n\n>Make me.\n\nI can tell youre young. You have time to fix yourself.",
"Then i guess its just my area then. Because republicans are afraid to say what they want and are labeled nazis by their own friends around here. I absolutely agree not everyone in a particular group is bad. Even if you dont agree with with trump on everything he was right that tgere are good people in both Antifa and tge White Nationalists despite no rational person agreeing with either of those groups. They are just mixed up in the wrong shit. But i still cant just sit back when someone tells me i should be dead for the color of my skin, im sure you can understand that. It may not be prevalent wherever you are, but around me its commonplace to yell slurs at anyone who identifies as anything other than liberal. So yeah i tend to keep a safe distance from liberals in my area, if not for me then for the safety of people that know me.",
"\"Equality\". More buzz words that mean everything and nothing, depending on the political agenda that decade.",
"Reddit has yet to realise this and still won't once he's re-elected in 2020",
"You speak of vague notions, which is typical of radicals like yourself. There are many different forms of equality as it depends on what you're measuring. And no, equality is not the defining component of freedom. Liberty is the defining component of freedom. This is the ability to express, act, and/or believe how one wants (so long as that doesn't affect others).\n\nSo, why don't you narrow this down a bit? What do you consider the most important type of equality?",
"How can you know my notions are vague if I haven't stated them? And nobody is limited to vague notions here. I'll repeat myself in a way you'll understand: you aren't actually saying anything. You're just saying \"Look at all this inequality! We need a social revolution!\" There's no substance to your words or thoughts.\n\nDefine the inequality. Define the steps you want to take. Justify them. **Be specific.**",
"You're clearly not following. When did I say I was in defense of the status quo?",
"You have no desire to engage me. You refuse to narrow down your argument. You keep it in vague terms to never address the fact that you lack substance. You jump from buzzword to buzzword. Then you avoid it by asking nonsensical questions like you just did.\n\nYou frame the opposite side in the worst possible way you can think of because you lack arguments. You have no argument, so you vilify. As Socrates is quoted as saying: \"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.\" You are that loser. You resort to slander almost immediately because you have no argument.\n\nI'll give you one last chance: Define the inequality. Define the steps you want to take. Justify them. **Be specific.**",
"And you don't think saying all Haitians have aids is racist?\n\nThat's the mental gymnastics your doing....",
"You're the one disqualifying sources without giving any sources for refutations or anything. Lazy.",
"Still assuming intent, I see. You have no idea what I believe.\n\nDisappointing. You couldn't even follow the conversation even after being this explicit.",
"We did? ",
"https://www.thedailybeast.com/martinlutherkingorg-is-owned-by-neo-nazis",
"You don't have to believe me. Your opinion doesn't change real world objective fact of who I voted for. \n\nMaybe, just maybe, I don't like sensitive leftists who play identity politics 24/7. \n\nMaybe your opinion, much like the \"news\" you probably watch, doesn't reflect reality. :)",
"Except I did that first and you're trying to return the question. You answer my question first. You don't answer questions by asking the same question back.\n\nAnd you still haven't reconciled the fact that you brazenly assumed what you think I know. But you won't reconcile that or any other point because you know if you did you'd find your demons.",
"Yeah, I'm sure that is something that he said.",
"How the fuck is this upvoted? this is the stupidest shit I've ever read from a straight up T_D indoctrinated trumptard.\n\nyeah, MLK would support a guy who refused to rent to black people, called the central park 5 guilty as late as 2016 after they were exonerated by DNA evidence, and said \"I don't like a black guy counting my money\".\n\nFuck this stupid T_D troll, and fuck Trump. ",
"Yeah keep making excuses lol",
"I will keep making excuses and you can keep making reality up to fit your stupid ass narrative. ",
"\"then\"",
"\"what big of a moron he is\"",
"Look kids its a triggered libtard! See how it squirms! MLK would have voted for Trump and stood by him.Go suck some more SOY BOY! MAGA!",
"https://i.imgur.com/QlXUJsA.png",
"I asked first and you deflected by asking me something you assumed. Now answer my question.\n\nAnd my point is you lack substance. I said that already.",
"Always nice to see truth in pic form! Thanks Bro and don't forget to MAGA!",
"And you can keep disqualifying any source contradicting you so you can stay in your little filter bubble so your own narrative isn't challenged. \n\nHave a nice life.",
"According to [this link](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/01/16/sens-cotton-and-perdue-are-outed-for-lying-on-trumps-behalf/?utm_term=.69c4738c3700) they heard it as 'shithouse countries' not 'shithole countries'... aka pretty much the same thing...",
"Isn't that his granddaughter, not his daughter?",
"> I'm pretty sure saying that you support a literal demon and that you are Unamerican if you support Obama, and that Obama supporters support Isis is at least on par with that. \n\nIMHO, it's really not. The key difference is that while that is strongly worded, they're not actively trying to end friendships over it. The key word here is 'unfriend me if you support ____' and that wasn't a mainstream thing until 2016. \n\nHillary's 'deplorables' statement just poured gasoline on that fire, by giving approval from the top to write off any Trump supporters as bad people. That's something no politician has ever done before. ",
"> \"ask nicely and wait until we decide we want to give it to you because it is ours to give.\n\nAnyone who says this is an idiot. Nothing gets done that way. If black people were 'asking nicely' in 1960 we'd still be debating segregation today. \n\nHowever showing up and DEMANDING your rights does not mean going to extremes. It does not mean rioting or looting, it does not mean burning cars and smashing windows, and it doesn't even mean blocking bridges. It doesn't mean disrupting society, it means *refusing to sit down and shut up and go home*. And that's what MLK did. \n\nNow, he was orderly about it. He told his people to wear suits to marches. He prevented any and all violence. He made damn sure he could NOT be ignored, and made damn sure everybody knew him and his followers would keep marching and keep protesting (peacefully!) and keep at the fight until they won. And win they did. \n\n> I do not presume so-called liberals to be \"on my side\" when it comes to issues of race etc. \n\nThis is a correct assumption. Dems will go to black neighborhoods during campaign season and get their pictures taken, and they'll go on TV talking about how important the black community is to them, but when it comes time to actually DO something- end the war on drugs, start a war on poverty, spend money improving inner city schools, spend money improving inner city social services, put time and effort into creating programs that give black kids better options than gangs and a promise of a job that isn't flipping burgers, they're (usually) nowhere to be found. \nBlack inner city ghettoes were created intentionally with segregationist real estate policies in the mid 1900s (redlining etc). We've flipped back and forth between blue and red leadership many times since then, and the poor inner city areas remain with little effort spent on fixing them. The only logical conclusion is that most politicians (of both parties) just don't care about this issue. And other black-related issues are of no greater importance. \n\n> just because you are using MLK as your hammer against Blacks you're all that much different than say Bill O'Reilly or your \"conservative friends\" \n\nI am not a conservative. I am mostly a liberal. I am quite fed up with both parties. I have no agenda other than the furthering of the human species. I watch and learn as much as I can, and I talk to people of all political persuasions. \n\nWhat I see is that conservatives (the Bill O'Reilly crowd) see a black demonstration, where some windows get smashed or cars get burned, and they write the WHOLE crowd off as moronic crybaby looters who torch their own neighborhoods because they didn't get their way in court. They do not read into the issue at all, it's easier to just write the whole thing off as dumb. \n\nWhat I see is the liberals (the MSNBC crowd) see a black demonstration, where some windows get smashed or cars get burned, and they classify the WHOLE crowd as justified and blame white people for everything that happened. \n\nFor me- I'm a pragmatist. I look at that crowd and say 'they are not using the best strategy to achieve their objectives'. By not distancing themselves from the SMALL number of agitators, they allow people like my conservative friends to group them all together. ",
"Well it's true that the countries he wanted removed are majority black countries. But they are also fairly poor countries. Not sure on their crime rates, but that's easy to look up. \n\nI guess what I'm saying/asking is this: If you could validly assume he called the countries shitholes because they're mostly black, and you can also validly assume he called the countries shitholes because they have other problems, then isn't it unfair to assume that he meant the racist version of it when there's another possible explanation? ",
"And is the President of the United States not an adult? \n\nKeep in mind, just because you may regard him as a small child, doesn't mean that's what he is. And if that was the context, shouldn't he be represented as a child? ",
"No, that would depend on his personal history on the matter, which isn't particularly favorable for him. \n\nIn a vacuum, it's usually appropriate to give people the benefit of the doubt, but given the history of Donald \"all my accountants have yarmulkes\" Trump, I think it would be naive to discount race as a motivating factor for his statement. ",
"That's fair. If the KKK member wearing a robe and mask says 'Black people are destroying our country. Also we should reduce immigration from shithole countries like Haiti' it's pretty obvious which aspect of Haiti he's referring to. \n\nThe problem with Trump is by my read most of his 'racist comments' are situations like this- things that are totally insensitive but could be interpreted multiple ways and/or don't by themselves indicate a bias against any particular race. However in every case, a lot of people interpret his comments in the most racist way possible. \n\nSo that brings the question- of his 'racist history', how much of it is simple insensitivity interpreted the worst possible way creating a perceived pattern of racism where there may not be any, and how much of it is actual racism? \n\nI don't have an answer to that. Curious if you have thoughts on this? \n\nThat said, while it may or may not be valid to criticize the comment as racist, I think it's still valid to criticize the comment as being fucking stupid. Even if we say it's 100% correct and Haiti IS a shithole country that we should limit immigration from, calling them a 'shithole' still gets us nowhere and only complicates diplomatic relations with a friendly neighbor nation. It's undiplomatic, unstatemanlike, and certainly not a Presidential thing to say. \nThen again, if we were to go over the unstatesmanlike things Trump has said, we would probably hit Reddit's comment size limit before we finished covering the first week of the 2016 primary campaign, so I'm not sure it's even worth pointing out unstatesmanlike behavior at all... Still a valid complaint tho. ",
"Because a lot of people are just upvotung and moving on without really thinking about what the image means, or going to the comments",
"Thats a really absurd delineation to make imo. \n\nYou're a baby killer and going to hell and support Isis and Unamerican > unfriend me on facebook. \n\nOk. If thats what you believe I can't stop you. ",
" >**It doesn't mean disrupting society**, it means refusing to sit down and shut up and go home. And that's what MLK did.\n\nHe most certainly did disrupt society. \n\n>, and made damn sure everybody knew him and his followers would keep marching and keep protesting (peacefully!) and keep at the fight until they won. And win they did.\n\nThey won a battle, not the war. His desire for nonviolence was because he himself was a pacifist(also antiwar) and a reverend. Not because he felt Black people had to impress white people.\n\n>I am not a conservative. I am mostly a liberal. \n\nI'm aware. \n\n>By not distancing themselves from the SMALL number of agitators, they allow people like my conservative friends to group them all together.\n\nAnd you stay silent while they do so, and thats my point. \n\nYou appear to be saying, \"protests should be more perfect\" and thus Black people (or whoever else) will thus \"earn\" the respect once they \"show\" that they are better. We don't have to. Yes, nonviolence is great as a general axiom and is desirable, but it is not the cost of entry to equal rights and protections. \n\nRacism isn’t logical. It existed when Black people lived in white peoples homes and literally obeyed everything they said, it existed when we built our own things and just asked to be left alone, it existed when we wore suits, it existed when we wore dickies, so for you to suggest that there is some 1:1 rational basis between Black action and racist response is what really perpetuates racism. Because no matter what, they will find a way, thats ow racism works. \n\nSo, instead of saying “oh be respectful”(even though you even say this is a SMALL number) how about you tell your conservative friends that they stop being racist. \n\nWhat sounds more logical? Black people controlling the actions of every similarly colored person from now until equality or White people explaining to their friends and neighbors that regardless of the actions of a few(hell many) that everyone is deserving of the same treatment both under the law and in society? \n ",
"> He most certainly did disrupt society.\n\nDid he block bridges during rush hour? No, he marched. That was disruptive, but the disruption was a side effect. The march was the message. With the stuff today, the disruption IS the message. They want to hold up traffic for hours so people hear about them. They would do far better marching like MLK. \n\n> They won a battle, not the war. \n\nThey won the biggest battle- the law. Because of them, discrimination was made illegal. Obviously it takes a few more decades for opinions to change. \n\n> And you sit there and twiddle your thumbs and stay silent while they do so, and thats my point. \n\nActually I don't. I never subscribed to the 'don't try to change peoples opinions' strategy. Thus I've gotten in a great many debates with conservatives about this issue, trying to point out that the handful of looters don't represent the massive crowd anymore than the Westboro Baptist Church (the 'god hates fags' people) represent Christianity. \nI have mixed success in this endeavor. Sometimes people listen, usually they just keep saying something like 'well those thousands of other people aren't doing anything to stop the looting'. And while the reality isn't quite that simple, they are also correct- the thousands of peaceful marchers did nothing to stop the looting and rioting. There was no effort made to send the message 'we are better than that'. ",
"You're conflating things here. \n\nTrump *allegedly* said, \"Why are we letting people from these shithole countries in?\" \n\nHe was *allegedly* insulting the state of the country. \n\nFor example: I think Canada is becoming a shithole because its leader is way too sensitive and starting to pass laws based on hurting people's feelings. Do I think Canadians are shitty people? No. \n\nI think Saudi Arabia is a shithole because it's run according to extremely hateful, violent, oppressive religious law. Do I think Saudi Arabian people are shitty? No. \n\nThe problem with people *everywhere* is that they're taking what Donald Trump ACTUALLY said, and instead of reacting to *that*, they're reacting to how they INTERPRETED what he said. My ex-wife used to do that shit all the time. Notice I said *ex*-wife. I'd say something, she'd take it however she wanted, and then get pissed off and flip out at me. Once I repeated it and told her what I meant, she'd apologize. \n\nI even tell my wife now: If you get mad at what you *think* I mean by something without asking me and you're completely wrong... I don't care that you're mad, and I will do nothing to change how you feel. It's YOUR interpretation of my words that pissed you off, not my words.",
"> That tells us a lot about him. \n\nThat tells *you* a lot about him because of your confirmation bias. You probably already feel he's a racist, so everything that confirms your opinion is immediately apparent.\n\n",
"I suggest you read up on civil disobedience, collective action, and direct action all of which MLK was a proponent of and participated in. The suggestion that his actions did not disrupt the days of people is beyond ahistorical. That was the point, to not be ignored. Marching itself doesn’t send any message beyond that disruptinting traffic does(not to mention that marching does disrupt traffic)\n\nWere you there? I’ve been to a great many rally and there are usually many people calling for nonviolence etc but the fact of the matter is that’s not their job nor what they are there for. More to the point; Is it every black persons job to be in control of the actions of others in order to be deemed “worthy” ? \n\nThe point is that Black people don’t have to be better. As long as white people can have excuse the term rednecks and white trash and not be judged by them as a whole nor should we. Saying that Black people as a group have to be “better” in order to get what whites people have by virtue of being born and then using any stray example as an example how they, collectively, are not only perpetuates racism. Because it promotes the idea that this is something that must be “earned” with good behavior not inherent. And anything earned can be taken away. Until that mindset is addressed hand wringing from either side about respectfulness is useless. Which was my original point that people want others to “be good and ask nicely” and that that will never be enough\n\nEdit: Excuse mistakes as I’m on mobile",
"And you carry on your delusional life never achieving anything, constantly blaming your failure on some shadow problem that doesn't exist anywhere except your own head. I don't think you making up a racist comment that was never said counts as \"disqualifying any source contradicting\" me. The hypocrisy, delusion and projection from people like you is unreal. See ya kid. ",
"1 I'm not even black?\n\n2 I'm not failing at anything, I'm pretty succesful\n\n3 Trump has a long list of racist statements that you just disqualified out of hand for 0 reason\n\n>People like you\n\nWhat do you mean you people? Lol. There's the racism! Luckily you only assumed I'm black so I'm sure you'll use that as an excuse!\n\nRun back to the_donald and keep watching Fox News! Enjoy blaming things on \"those people\" some more. ",
"OK, well at least you're soon going to do some self reflection. You're not answering my questions because I made you realize you lack substance. All you're doing is repeating me because if you did answer my questions, you will come to terms with this fact, so you're caught in a bind. So, what you've done instead is name call (I haven't), avoid my question (you haven't answered mine which was asked first so we're not moving forward), assume you know my beliefs when you don't (I haven't stated them), and in general make a fool of yourself.\n\nRadical types like you are fairly easy to deconstruct once you get to the details. It just takes some back and forth.\n\nRemember, don't bite the hand that feeds you. : )",
"lol yeah? Is that what you think you used?",
"How on earth is AA unjust? There is an ingrained institutional bias in America. All variables controlled for, black people are hired less often—even with identical qualifications and history. Affirmative action tries to correct this issue.\n\n**Discrimination** is grounded in **prejudice and exclusion**, whereas affirmative action is an effort to *overcome* prejudicial treatment through inclusion. \n\nColor-blind college admissions, for example, favor white students because of their earlier educational advantages. Unless preexisting inequities are corrected or otherwise taken into account, color-blind policies do not correct racial injustice—they reinforce it.",
"3 days later, you want to do this? Ok, fine.\n\nThe definition of **Discrimination** is the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex. Judging someone by the color of their skin and not purely based on the content of their character and their own ability is discrimination, no matter one's race, color, or creed. You cannot rectify past discrimination with present discrimination. It is unjust in any form when someone is hired instead of their equal or better colleague because of the color of their skin.\n\nColor-blind admissions aren't \"favoring white students\", they're color-blind. If more white students are selected, it obviously isn't because of the color of their skin, it's because they had better applications. The solution isn't to rob more qualified applicants of the roles they earned, but to work to bolster the early education of those groups who fell short. \n\nThe intent is great. We need to work to make sure that minorities are not institutionally disadvantaged. Racially discriminatory hiring and admission policies are not a fair solution.",
"No u",
"Fuck you got me",
"> You cannot rectify past discrimination with present discrimination.\n\nYou keep using the word discrimination to describe two very different things. Like I said, discrimination in the past was grounded in prejudice and exclusion. Affirmative action is an effort to *overcome* prejudicial treatment through inclusion by *leveling the playing field*. \n\nThe most effective way to cure society of exclusionary practices is to make special efforts at inclusion, which is what affirmative action does.\n\nWords that define **discrimination**:\n\n> Prejudice: harm or injury that results or may result from some action or judgment.\n\n> Unjust: not based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair. \n\nCan you honestly say that whites are being harmed in an unjust manner when efforts are made to make universities *more representative of the actual population*? Black and Hispanic students are still vastly underrepresented at colleges overall, and they fare much worse in states with bans on affirmative action.\n\nA study by NAEP gave students of different races the same test. The math scores for fourth grade whites averaged 31 percent higher than their black counterparts and 26 percent higher than Latinos. In 2011, a government study found that 72 percent of white students went on to college after high school compared to 44 percent of African Americans. \n\n*This gap is not because white students are inherently smarter or work harder.* It is because their economic and social backgrounds give them an unfair advantage over minority students. \n\nSomeone with a white-sounding name is 50% more likely to get a job call back than a person with an ethnic-sounding name. \n\nCaucasian students receive more than three-quarters (76%) of all institutional merit-based scholarship and grant funding, even though they represent less than two-thirds (62%) of the student population. Caucasian students are 40% more likely to win private scholarships than minority students.\n\nRace-based affirmative action may seem prejudiced to some whites, but those white students have already been given unfair advantages in our nation’s history. Affirmative action doesn’t take anything away from anyone. *It levels the playing field.*\n\n> Color-blind admissions aren't \"favoring white students\", they're color-blind. \n\nYou show a fundamental misunderstanding of \"color-blind\" policies. It would be great if everyone was treated equally since our nation's inception, but that isn't the case. Whites have been given unfair advantages in the past. Whites are wealthier and live in wealthier areas with access to better education/standardized test prep, so, in situations where AA is banned, whites will naturally benefit. There's also the fact that, even if organizations operate on a purported \"color-blind\" basis, as we know, people with ethnic-sounding names will still be discriminated against due to stereotypes and cultural biases--conscious or subconscious.\n\nMultiple studies have found that tests like the SAT and ACT are, in fact, culturally biased in favor of whites. [One of the studies found that the SAT uses language that disadvantages students of color and advantages white students.](http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/06/21/sat)\n\n> If more white students are selected, it obviously isn't because of the color of their skin, it's because they had better applications.\n\nYes, better applications *because of the economic and social backgrounds that give them an unfair advantage over minority students.* Two of the primary predictors of success for educational attainment and occupational earnings are your parents' education and level of wealth. If your parents went to college, you are more likely to go to college. So what does that say for communities who, until the 1960s, were denied access to all but a few colleges and universities?\n\nSide note: Did you really have to downvote me for disagreeing with you? Seems a little lame to me. ",
"As opposed to all the prostitutes trump personally enjoys, ahahaha",
"Don't know how covering his mouth is not \"actually preventing him from speaking\" lol",
"And you're okay with the voter suppression tactics that republicans use, yes? Because let's be honest for a second; You think democrats attempt to cheat by allowing undocumented voters but would be hypocritical to not also admit that certain republicans like the idea of poor people and/or minority classes staying home instead of voting. And using voter ID laws to do so. And the latter is actually an issue. How many people do you think voted in cali illegally? Source too if you can find one on this nonsense. ",
"> And you're okay with the voter suppression tactics that republicans use, yes?\n\nWay to whataboutism",
"You call it whataboutism, I call it matching the same type of behavior you're citing in democrats, with republicans. I'm pointing out the other side does the same thing too. That's not whataboutism. And furthermore, voter ID laws and suppression of that sort actually occurs and is damaging. As opposed to your illegal immigrants in California voting significantly enough (if at all) to affect an election. ",
"You hate autistic people and laugh at them calling them \"retards\" as they suffer\n\nGo away, hater",
"It's *where*.. You put an \"h\" in there when you want to talk about a place. I know they sound the same buddy but you keep practicing. \n\nSecond lesson: you DO need a license to vote in USA. what are YOU on about? ",
"Oh look it's my favorite special needs stalker. Enjoy the ignore button.",
"OoOOhh damn! You found a mistake, a small typo, in my comment from three days ago! Damn! You really got me good!\n\nLol, pathetic.\n\nAlso, [you're wrong](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States).",
"You bet your ass I did ",
"You literally are just repeating me. And I didn't libel. Honestly...",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpGtBnVZLSk",
"Point it out.",
"You know what you did. I don’t know how you can live like that. ",
"Exactly. You have nothing. I think we're done. : )",
"The problem is in your lack of coherence and logic. ",
"Still can't point it out, I see.",
"They are both harmful. \n\nThe big difference is that one ends the conversation, permanently. The other does not. ",
"Again, you seem to *need* these things to be different in your mind and I can't stop you. ",
"Damn, that's a fast reply! \n\nI don't need anything to be different. Both are fucked up. \n\nThe real problem for me though is that our national conversation is breaking down. People put themselves in echo chambers that reinforce whatever they already believe, and like it that way. Highly divisive rhetoric is everywhere, on both sides, because 'I respectfully disagree with my opposing colleague' doesn't rake in donations or capture eyeballs nearly as well as 'they want to destroy America', and people buy into that. It's a very bad thing. \n\nBut that leaves two main distinctions between 'you're a baby killer commie pinko' and 'unfriend me if you support Trump'. \n\nThe biggest one is approval / mainstream acceptance. While a lot of hardcore conservatives may post 'you're going to hell commie' type stuff, it's not a mainstream view of conservatives. Nowhere was this exemplified better than [McCain saying Obama isn't an Arab](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrnRU3ocIH4). In the 2016 election, I talked to a LOT of people on both sides of the aisle, and while a few Trump fans were idiots, the majority I talked to were honest people with serious concerns about the country that they felt Hillary couldn't solve or would make worse or for which Trump's policies would be better. I'm talking about things like trade, jobs, infrastructure, etc- legitimate issues. The media of course latched on to all the nastiest bits- Trump is certainly no angel and a handful of his supporters are downright scary. But there were a LOT of people who had legitimate reasons to support Trump, and they were ignored/marginalized by much of the media. \nHowever Hillary herself saw fit to write off much of the Republican party as \"a basket of deplorables\". This lent official mainstream support to the idea that Trump supporters are bad people, and 'unfriend me if you support Trump' became an acceptable mainstream position (something 'you baby killers are going to hell' never fully was). \n\nThe second issue is that of continued conversation. 'You're going to hell, baby killing commies!' is of course an incendiary statement, but it's also not preventing of further conversation. In fact, I've seen a LOT of situations where a liberal engages with someone like that, and they start getting down to real issues and policy discussions. \nHowever if any sort of Trump support triggers the end of the friendship, then it's impossible to have any sort of conversation after that. So there's no possibility for a real discussion of the sort that sometimes came from a 'going to hell' comment. \n\nDoes that make sense? \n\n",
"Liberals= Unamerican, snowflake, communist etc etc insults certainly were and are mainstream. \n\nBut again, if you want to believe that unfriend me on facebook is some grave crime ahead of all else and people posting that others are unamerican, devil aligned baby killers are doing so to invite \"continued conversation\" you are perfectly within your rights to do so. But like I said before that does not make sense to me and will not. \n\n\nAlso the \"reasonable Trump supporter\" is one of the most reported on constituencies ever, they were not ignored nor marginalized",
"How could I point out your logic when it does not exist?",
"Or you're just a sensitive snowflake",
"attempting to use a term on the internet you get called everyday I see"
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"Thank you, Doctor King, for showing me what resolve lives like, and what hopes and dreams planted and guarded will bloom into.\n\nRest at peace.",
"Amazing man. This is what courage looks like.",
"Was this illegal to do back then?",
"I can’t think of anyone more American",
"They were kneeling in prayer not in protest in the picture. No similarities to the NFL situation.",
"[Here](https://i.imgur.com/HIg2b8H.jpg) is a higher quality version of this image. [Here](http://time.com/4955717/trump-protests-mlk-martin-luther-king-kneeling/) provides the following context and attribution:\n\n> Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., center, leads a group of civil rights workers and Selma black people in prayer on Feb. 1, 1965 in Selma, Alabama after they were arrested on charges of parading without a permit. More than 250 persons were arrested as they marched to the Dallas County courthouse as part of a voter registration drive. BH—AP Photo",
"Dr. King was way ahead of his time. He will of course forever be remembered for his work in the advancement of civil rights but he was also a leader in environmentalism and spoke about protecting our air and water. He also believed in a better distribution of wealth and raising the minimum wage.",
"Theodore Roosevelt",
"Martin King Jr. was more of a Reverend than a doctor. RIP",
"Indians.",
"Yeah, fuck it. Can't beat that. ",
"Last time I checked, courage and honor were not traits the average american held. ",
"For a second there I thought there was a dude with a gun who stopped mid-stickup to pray along with everybody like \"yea ok that seems like the reasonable thing to do\".\n\nBut no, it's a microphone, which makes a lot more sense.",
"Jesus, dude, do you know what proofreading is? ",
"How the fuck did he do that? Teddy died in 1919 Bro. ",
"That’s Franklin D. Roosevelt",
"What's wrong with how it's written? The language is a bit flowery, but it's understandable and doesn't seem to have mistakes.",
">what resolve lives like\n\n>rest at peace",
"Not all doctors are medical doctors. He had a Ph.D., he earned the title of \"Doctor\".",
"Those could easily be flowery but intentional re-wordings",
"I'm thinking that's flowery language rather than mistakes. \"Rest at peace\" could be a valid variation on \"rest in peace\", especially since with death people often use the term \"at peace\" for example: \"He is at peace now\".\n\n\"What resolve lives like\" could be a mistake, accidentally putting \"lives\" rather than \"looks\", but I was thinking that it was more of an attempt at personification, saying that Dr. King was a personification of resolve and that this is how someone who is a personification of resolve lives. It works if that is what was intended, though the wording took more than one pass to understand. I was assuming this was the case based on the rest of the comment.",
"Saying something wrong on purpose is still wrong. ",
"How someone could choose to read this much into what they know is a typo is very concerning. ",
"You don't have to be a butthole. It costs $0.00 to be a cool person instead. ",
"It's not February yet...\n\nEdit: /s",
"Considering your username, I'm surprised being a butt isn't a virtue to you. ",
"It's Martin Luther king Jr. Day",
"Licking butts, not being butts. It's different. ",
"Ah I see. I don't really pay attention to holidays unless I get off of work for them. Good to know.",
"I guess tasting is better than hearing. ",
"250 people were arrested. Yeap, sounds right about America. \n\nEdit :to clarify, what am saying is that people protesting peacefully with prayer and kneeling... then get arrested for it because they are black is indicative of the angry sentiment that black people have to endure with peaceful protest.",
"Even when you're trying to affirm their nativeness you still call them by a name that is so wrong",
"Man, you must absolutely hate poetry.",
"I'm going to assume this is a legitimate question and not just trolling. To kneel/pray in public, no, that was not illegal. But King's organization of the peaceful protests was deemed illegal as King did not have a permit to organize a march (because they wouldn't ever give it to him, most likely). However, if you were a white police officer who believed in blacks being the insubordinate to whites, you would find any grounds possible to arrest king, as he was trying to make all equal. \n\nAh, lovely times in our history /s",
"You must have a very low opinion of poets if you think their work can be duplicated by an unintentional typo. ",
"Yet another time when black people taking a knee was hated by the conservative right. At least things change.",
"Just give up dude.",
"It’s a misnomer but it’s not wrong.",
"http://www.bu.edu/academics/degree-programs/\n\nClick \"Doctorate\" and be prepared to be amazed at how many PhD programs that school has.",
"Not the serial adulterer we asked for, but the one we deserved",
"Just like Billy Graham is a \"doctor,\" right?",
"Even in beauty you find the ugly ",
"shit we should just pay everyone $1,000,000 and everyone would prosper!",
"Would you like a small piece of poop in your dinner? ",
"I think its even more important that Martin Luther King Jr was a man. Just a man. A man who did great things yes, but a man who struggled with morality like all of us. That's the most important thing about him, I think, that all of us could do something like him. Hes not special. Well he is. But we should all use this day to make a real difference in even one person's life.",
"eh, it's not that simple.\n\nSome indigenous people prefer the term Native American, or First Nations people, but there are a lot who feel comfortable with the term \"American Indian\" as well. They're re-appropriating it.\n\nHowever, ask almost any person of indigenous heritage and they'll tell you that they prefer using the name of their tribe rather than any monolithic umbrella term. ",
"\"What do you want to be called?\"\n\n\"Leader of the First People.\"\n\nNope you look like a Chuck to me. I am going with Chuck.",
"Why don't people talk about get fact he was killed by the government more often?",
"MLK didn't. He was right, and I am, too. ",
"you're implying that we can only celebrate black activists on their designated holiday, or during their designated month?",
"Land of the free.",
"Thomas Jefferson once said when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty. He would be proud to see that someone thought he was right",
"Does it cost extra?",
"Whoever told you that is your enemy",
"Wow, showed him",
"I mean, I guess it depends on where you go. ",
"If you take me seriously then yes. If you take it as a joke. Then, it's just a joke.",
"Classic Tebowing",
"I admire and respect Dr. King! He would hate what he is seeing today; many people don't want to end oppression...they just want to reverse it! Equality doesn't mean you guys get to bash straight white men every chance you get. Oh, but my voice doesn't matter because I have white privilege, right? ",
"I don’t think u should b a grammar Nazi in a post about MLK.\nJust Saiyan.",
"I would just like to say, if you have to refer to MLK Day as \"Robert E. Lee day\" then you are the coldest of snow flakes.\n\nMost of my southern white family (go figure) has to go out of their way to reference it as Lee Day. In case you are wondering, yes they voted Trump and he is their Fuhrer now.",
"He was against gay marriage. I guess we should take down his statues and monuments.",
"I highly advice anyone able to listen to his speeches om youtube etc.\n\nIt partly depresses me how so many of his arguments are valid, or even more so, today than at his time. But it also gives me hope knowing us humans can have such foresight as he did,\n\nI know it is hard, but always fight against hatred and judgement, they are easy tools. To actually try to accept eachother and work for a future, that's true strength. ",
"You know what land is freer than America? Holland. Holland is freer than America. ",
"I don't think you're an authority on anything to do with grammar. ",
"I couldn’t stand ppl like u growing up",
"Well they had an entire campaign targeting him in order to neutralize him as an effective civil rights leader. It's not a stretch of the imagination to assume they had something to do with the assassination \n\nhttps://heavy.com/news/2014/01/read-martin-luther-king-jr-fbi-file-investigaiton/\n\n\nMlks family even won a civil case in which the jury found the us government culpable in the assassination \n\nhttp://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/01/martin-luther-king-assassinated-us-govt-king-family-civil-trial-verdict.html",
"I mean to be pedantic about the joke, I would've said \"The Sioux\". Or something like that. But I just hate that we continue to call native Americans \"Indians\" based on a historic misnomer.",
">It's a **misnomer**\n\n>but it's not wrong\n\nhttp://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/medium/000/024/062/jerry.jpg",
"He was also a slave owner who considered black people sub human so idk if he would have been proud of this particular demonstration.",
"Fuck off",
"Just like Che Guavara then. Doesn't seem to stop the left from idolizing him lol",
"Which doesn't make his point any less valid ",
"No, not like Billy Graham. Graham only has honorary doctorates, not an actual doctorate. With honorary doctorates, you're only supposed to use the title when dealing with the institution that awarded it to you, not with the broader public. \n\nDr. King put in the work to get an actual Ph.D., he earned the title.",
"Literally every nation on the planet has less percentage of their people imprisoned than the US has (although I'm not sure if the official figures from North Korea are to be trusted).\n\nBut even considering overall life quality and percieved freedom, many European nations rank higher than the US. Holland is one example. Hell, I could visit Holland right now and there'd be no need for me to show/take a passport with me because freedom of travel within Schengen area! Booya!",
"Nice strawman.",
"I find it interesting when the common Reddit narratives out rank each other.\n\nNot a single anti-religion post on the first few pages of comments.",
"To celebrate I'm going to be visiting Blacked.com several times today. ",
"That's what I was asking. Because I cannot see how this would be brave if it weren't illegal back then.",
"It's funny that the argument is that it only takes a little imagination, not too much though. ",
"Yes it does. OP is assuming what TJ would think I'm one hand but ignoring more important evidence in the other.",
"I didn't even know this.",
"Man whore.",
"what;s there to oppose",
"What? He was against gay marriage. Surprised people aren't pearl clutching in the streets and taking down his statues while screaming at the sky.",
"It* assuming yyourre referencing AWIT",
"[One of his daughters is an anti-gay rights activist.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernice_King#Gay_rights)\n\nTalk about missing the point.\n\n[On the other hand, another of his daughters is a gay rights activist.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yolanda_King)\n\nShe gets it.",
"If that's surprising to you, you really need to get out more.",
"These are gold. Keep up the good word. ",
"Now something must be done... something something something... ",
"He was against gay marriage, for one.",
"And did I imagine the Civil suit that the family of mlk won in 1999?",
"compelling argument.",
"You don’t know much about american history do you?",
"TJ was a champion for the emancipation of blacks for most of his career. It wasn't until the end where he ended up switching his stance. It would depend on when the quote was uttered. If it was said by the early/mid TJ then he'd be proud. If it was from the later TJ he would probably denounce MLK.",
"no one cares, stop grasping for straws, enjoy your Lee day, loser",
"Just slap some NFL jerseys on them and we're instantly in 2017!",
"\"Don't believe everything you read on the internet\" - Thomas Jefferson. \n\nThat quote popped up in 2006 and it's never been found in any of Jeffersons writings. Although he may have alluded to similar ideas this quote is completely fabricated. ",
"Thoughts and Prayers! ",
"Alright then here's a better one: Not supporting gay marriage in a time period where just about no one did is completely different from waging war against the United States like the Confederate States did. Hence why those statues are getting taken down and not Dr. King's.",
"Racism. \n\nInteresting how I get downvotes for highlighting how racism was rife in those times. ",
"If someone is literally bashing you for being white get back to me. In the meantime, boo-fucking-hoo.",
"Some people are too highly strung in here. So what if you said February ",
"False equivalency ",
"May we never forget where we came from. ",
"Reddit is srs bizness ",
"What? The KKK was founded by the Democrats.",
"First Nations People are pre-America...",
"he is praying not disgracing the national anthem with his pettiness",
"I guess we've never heard of political realignment huh?",
"What?",
"You're right, back then they were protesting for equal treatment under the law. NFL players are protesting for equal treatment under the law. Totally different.",
"His point isn't that MLK didn't do something but that we like him can do something still. It doesn't take being superhuman, it just takes action. ",
"Yeah no, people who opposed him tried very hard to keep him from speaking. Learn your history.",
"In my opinion, its disrespectful to put anyone on a pedestal.\n\nLoads of people do things, I know plenty of people who have made a difference in my own community, I'm sure you could think of people as well.\n\nWhat I would say is really special about him is that he embraced his fear. Not to mention the absolute poetry his speeches are..",
"You were essential a second class citizen being black in America during the time. This could be called loitering and then have them blasted off with a fire hose",
"Lol that was a leap",
"compelling argument.",
"Fantastic argument. Try again :D",
"But they're from India.",
"That album holds up.",
"Che Guavara is far worse tho. That guy was a stone cold mass murderer. Under his command thousands of people got executed and tortured. And people somehow wear his picture on t-shirts and think he was some kind of freedom fighter who fought for the peoples needs. Truth is he was what Beria was for Stalin, or Himmler for Hitler. \n\nBut it's weird that you point out that the left idolizes him, while in reality, left and right populists idolize him pretty much the same and use his image for their 'cause'. Albeit you are right that he was/is popular within the leftist youth much more then the right. ",
"Exactly, especially when some tribes, like the Sioux, should be compared to the Nazis and remembered for the genocidal deplorables they are. Where as other tribes, such as the Cheyenne or Iroquois were much more peaceful, culturally refined and intellectually enlightened. ",
"Well the black people in the pic actually were discriminated against.",
"Go on, tell me.",
"Isn't this more of a JFK quote? \"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\" ",
"Thank you for Dying for our sins",
"Blacked.com",
"Wtf? *Instead of rioting and shouting?* What planet do you live on?",
"\"The left.\"\n\nI think lots of people just think his face looks cool on a shirt.",
"I don't buy that James Earl ~~Jones~~ Ray was FBI, but I do believe that if the FBI knew about the plot, they wouldn't have lifted a fucking finger to do anything about it.\n\nSee also: Pearl Harbor. 9/11. Probably some other shit.",
"Plus I really doubt he would have been proud of a black man anyways. The only Founding Father who *may* have been in the streets with Dr. King is John Adams.",
"\"some very good people on both sides,\" then?",
"Thanksgiving dinner must be fun!",
"'cause all conservative christians are clearly good",
"Lol, petty. Nice guy.",
"The southern white demographic that made up the KKK flipped from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party in the 60s and 70s after LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act and the Democratic Party started transitioning to be more urban, and the Republican Party began playing up the religious conservative aspect of their party.",
"> actually \n\nYeah, we extincted it years ago...\nLet the KKK march!",
"...lol no",
"Far from conservative.",
"February is black history month and he's implying the only time that he can tolerate a photo of MLK is during the month honoring black people",
"Fuck the anthem. ",
"white southerner here. i can't fucking stand people who call it Lee Day",
"black people today are ACTUALLY discriminated again. ",
"I feel so bad for you. ",
"that's not how facts or questions work man ",
">First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to \"order\" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says \"I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;\" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a \"more convenient season.\"\n\n>Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.\"\n\n-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.",
"You are an acceptable level of threat and if you were not you would know about it.",
"No thanks, you sad sad person.",
"Because he never used religion as an excuse to discriminate against or manipulate people. Not much to complain about when it's used for good.",
"Not really because that would cause inflation, raising the wage of about 3.33% of the population^1 by a few cents each year would be highly unlikely to cause anywhere near that much inflation. \n\n[1 (how many people are paid at our under USA federal Min wage)](https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2015/home.htm)",
"Oh you poor snowflake. ",
"i'll bite. how is kneeling down \"disgracing the national anthem\"? ",
"I want to know more about this. I feel like people (including me) sort of just lump all the tribes together instead of realizing the differences. It's like saying Portuguese are basically the same as Vikings.",
"https://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gif\n\nFor those downvoting, if you don't understand how the OP, the lyrics, and the *missing* lyrics go together, don't think too hard...",
"I don't think calling him a mere man is disrespectful but in fact just a man was able to change an entire country. To showcase the strength and capability of a single human being and what he or she can do. ",
"Most thinking people understand that racism can materialize in forms outside of physical violence. But your comment sounded really cool! ",
"There were more than a few abolitionists among the Founding Fathers. ",
"Now it's turned into mass arrests over drugs. \n\n[Here's 428 people arrested at a music festival.](https://www.sbsun.com/2016/09/05/428-arrested-5-hospitalized-during-3-day-nocturnal-wonderland-festival/)\n\n[And 70 people arrested over one ounce of marijuana, less than a month ago](http://www.complex.com/life/2018/01/people-arrested-over-ounce-of-weed-house-party)",
"I changed my facebook portrait, I did my part!",
"I've heard of \"race realists\" but this is also a new thing for me",
"Look at the top comment on this post there's citations saying 250 people were arrested during this protest alone. ",
"That's a good one. I just saw a violent projection on Trump tower the other night.",
"Do you have any data?",
"*oh no another person taking a knee* --Republicans",
"Payne too, perhaps?",
"Just had one of my coworkers walk around this morning to wish everyone a happy \"James Earl Ray\" day. This guy is in his 20s. I don't even wanna know how narrow his family tree has to be to be that willfully hateful.",
"Why stand on a silent platform? - fight the war, fuck the norm!",
"Most of the people in government in the 60s and 70s would probably have been against slavery. I don't know of too many founding father's who were explicitly anti-racism though, outside of Adams. Not like I'm an expert or anything though so always open to learning more. ",
"Well to be fair I can travel from San Diego to Boston without a passport, which is about the distance from Madrid to Moscow...",
"Growing up, that's what my grandpa always called it. Back then it confused me. Now it just disgusts me.",
"MLK was also a conservative that would be against everything the liberal party stands for today.His own family stands with the current Republican Conservative stance. Where does that actually leave us? \n\nTrying to rewrite factual history to meet the agenda and narrative. \n\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/martin-luther-king-jr-was-a-true-conservative/2017/01/15/b0f465e4-d9c6-11e6-9a36-1d296534b31e_story.html?utm_term=.acaa8b3f38fd",
"Yes but at least white America was shamed into ending de jure segregation and so forth. (Hard to imagine white America being shamed in the same way now though, to be honest.)",
"I think it sounds like something paraphrased from Civil Disobedience by Henry Thoreau:\n\n>If the injustice has a spring, or a pulley, or a rope, or a crank, exclusively for itself, then perhaps you may consider whether the remedy will not be worse than the evil; but if it is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then I say, break the law.\n\n",
"I just looked at your post history. Aren't you just a bundle of joy. You saw a picture of Germany (that was it) and found a way spew your anti Muslim bullshit. You are a sad, sad man.",
"Whoosh",
"Most Christians don't use their religion to discriminate or manipulate people either. Doesn't stop Reddit from making it seem like the norm.\n\nMLK wouldn't have married a gay couple. Why does Reddit give him a pass?",
"well, the latter has died.",
"Pansexual black man I do kind of care, I appreciate all the good stuff he's done for our community even though I'm Canadian I still feel the benefits of his speeches, but at the same time when I learned of his homophobia I went from idolising him to simply appreciating the work he did do. ",
"Was his doctorate in economics?",
"They clearly hate the troops.",
"People like Dr. King defined, and continue to define, America, but without the civil rights issues of the time there would be no people like him. We cannot let issues of injustice define our country or its reputation. That's literally the whole purpose of this holiday, to not only remember that injustice exists, but to celebrate the people who fought, and still fight, for justice and equality.\n\nSo while it may be easy to just say \"sounds about right\" when 250 people are arrested while behaving peacefully, you have to also remember that those 250 arrests didn't stop the movement. I wouldn't be surprised to find that they only made it stronger.\n\nIf I were to summarize my thoughts in a few words I would say that the injustices in America must not be allowed to define us. The people who, like Dr. King, struggle against those injustices make us who we are as a country. ",
"Who?",
"Thanks to American and British paratroopers and tankers",
"Did the JFK files last year expose that he was working with the Russians to destabilize the US. Why are we celebrating this man who raped women?",
"He was too busying hemming and hawing while hee-hawing with Sally Hemmings.",
"I thought they were Scandinavian, or Nordic, or whatever",
">Literally every nation on the planet has less percentage of their people imprisoned than the US has\n\nAnd?\n\nAmerica has a first-world police force (ie: not corrupt, well-funded, effective, competent*) and third-world crime problems.\n\nNo other developed nation has a criminal culture like America has, and no third-world nation has an effective police force like America has.\n\nSo you combine the two and you end up with lots of crime and then lots of people in prison.\n\nWhy do you dumbasses complain about that 'people incarcerated' thing like we should just be putting fewer people in jail or something? Are you implying that most people in prison *didn't* break the law and were framed or something?\n\nWe have a murder rate 4x higher than most of Europe, and we also have 4x more people in prison. What a fucking shocker - it's almost like a lot of people in America are shitbags who belong in prison.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate\n\n\n\\* Since I know someone is going to complain about the 'not corrupt' and 'competent', regardless of how you feel about American police, you're still way better off dealing with them than you are with just about every other police force in the 'second' world and below. In America, you don't have to worry about the Mexican Federales pulling you over on the side of the road and literally extorting money from you. Criminal justice in much of the world revolves heavily around \"paying fines on the spot\", ie: bribery. That's true corruption.\n\n**EDIT:** ITT sheltered buttmad liberals who have literally never once ventured to a shithole country defending shithole countries.",
"What do you mean by data? Why don’t you do the tiniest bit of research your damn self. What this guy said is 100% true and can be confirmed by a simple google search. Willful ignorance and denial of fact isn’t going to save you from yourself. ",
"That's a myth. The parties have changed since then, but they have not switched. ",
"Yeah as an Indian American whose parents are you know, from India, it makes 0 fuckin sense to see Natives called \"Indians\".",
"You're either a low effort troll or a liar. That data has been public knowledge and an instant google search away, yet people like you keep pushing a false history.",
"Not without some random cop going all civil forfeiture on your cash, vehicle and black friend. ",
"No, Not tech support Indians, he’s talking about the Bead, braid and buckskin Indians. \n\nEdit: forgot this wasn’t /b/",
"And of course the good die young.",
">you're whining about racism? Boo-fucking-hoo, it's just racism. Get over it. \n\nThis is what you sound like. ",
"What a snowflake.",
"Couldn’t have had anything to do with the crack, cocaine, guns or other paraphernalia laying around the house? Nope just the weed. There are plenty of good articles to use this isn’t the best. ",
"Rage against the Machine predicted Trump. https://consequenceofsound.net/2015/10/rage-against-the-machine-predicted-and-mocked-donald-trumps-presidential-campaign-16-years-ago/",
"Can't upvote more than once. Well said.",
"that's a weird way to spell canadian",
"Pretty sure he would have denounced MLK regardless of what point in his career it was. He owned slaves his whole life and wrote an entire section in the middle of his life on the biological characteristics of blacks that prove that they are a distinct and inferior species to whites in “Notes on the State of Virginia”. Didn’t consider them equal. \n\nWhen he talks about freedom and equality , he’s talking about white men. ",
"Fat lot of good that praying did. Imagine if they thought together instead ",
"Nothing in the 21st century. But back then, a lot of people (actual racists, generally) did.",
"Yeah, not illegal by natural law. But officers were looking for any excuse to put him in jail. So they could say anything about the marches and arrest him, most notably for \"Disturbing the peace\" and \"marching without a permit\"",
"I'm happy that I've never heard of \"Lee Day,\" but Houston is far from traditionally \"Southern.\"",
"Any data for what? The realignment of the southern states from Democrat to Republican is well established.",
"Not like then. ",
"To be fair, nobody's more American than Roosevelt.",
"He made a lot of advances that should be and are appreciated. This shit still happens in America all the time. Pointing out that America is still a very flawed country is in no way dishonoring Dr. King.",
"Thanks for proving my point;)",
"Ever heard of the \"Burden of Proof\"? If you make a claim, you are obligated to provide evidence to prove it.",
"I believe it was in Theology but I could be wrong",
"Why?",
"Yeah, the socialist who fought to change society, transform the country, destroy legal status quo, and who was hated by conservatives was a conservative.",
"Also Canada, which is much closer.",
"Ok, here is the only thing I have an issue with: Dr. King is kneeling to pray (a show of respect), whereas kneeling during the anthem is construed as a sign of disrespect. Two different motives. Probably going to get downvotes to hell, oh well.",
"I have the same birthday as him :) but mine was yesterday because I live in Japan ",
"lets appreciate the advances he did make AND strive for a more equal society at the same time",
"FOX News would have eaten him alive today...",
"Gross. ",
"https://i.imgur.com/dNiKrBd.gifv ",
"Very well said.\n\nI'm glad you show your view on the subject here. I think too many people just think \"oh, America was racist 50 years ago\" instead of viewing the injustices done as something we can remember and avoid in the future.\n",
"That's just layers of fucked up. ",
">not corrupt, well-funded, effective, competent\n\n^(*Some restrictions apply)",
"> he is praying not disgracing the national anthem with his pettiness \n\nAnd here we have a snowflake spotted in his natural habitat.\n\n",
"We all love the guy but I recently learned he was against gay marriage. Maybe we should tear down his statues ",
"MLK was a true American. Standing for whats right against an oppressive government!\n\nThat is the most American thing you can do!",
"did the sioux genocide?",
"That is more than fucked up, he's actively going around celebrating a racially charged murder. That doesn't strike me as something most employers would tolerate.\n",
"I am not sad sad but I believe they are referring to Blacked.com",
"I'm guessing you're at risk of sunburn.\n\nEdit: Take that as a hard yes.",
"I know it's a meme-tier person to reference, but [here](https://monthlyreview.org/2009/05/01/why-socialism/)'s literally Albert Einstein arguing that economics isn't something you need a degree in to understand, and that Socialism is preferable.",
"The Sioux were known for their total war tactics. Any member of any tribe they waged war against was considered an enemy. So after they killed all the warriors in a village, they would systematically round up the woman and children and kill them too. We don't know much of their history prior to European contact, so we can only speculate how many tribes were eradicated by them. We do know many of their neighboring tribes post-European contact were decimated by them. Many of those tribes eventually allied the English and French (and later American) settlers against the Sioux. \n\nA Dutch historian had this to say about the Sioux / Pawnee war:\n\n>Although military historians tend to reserve the concept of \"total war\" for conflicts between modern industrial nations, the term nevertheless most closely approaches the state of affairs between the Pawnees and the Sioux and Cheyennes. Both sides directed their actions not solely against warrior-combatants but against the people as a whole. Noncombatants were legitimate targets.\n\n\nOn the flip side, was the Iroquois Confederacy. They had six nation states united and governed by a senate, along with each nation state having their own form of council and law makers. This system greatly influenced America in creating a federal government and a state/local government. \n\n",
"it was sarcasm..come on",
"Jfc pick up a book",
"> We have a murder rate 4x higher than most of Europe\n\nDid you just admit that gun control works?",
"Isn't that the 19th? ",
"You guys we need to illegalise going into burning buildings, Firefighters are a bunch of pussies.",
"King was a devout baptist \n\nit’s quite likely he was also against homosexuality ",
">not corrupt\n\nAre we talking about the same country?\n\nLook, I doubt we'll agree on this from your post history and mine, which is fine. I have three family members who are police officers who do a fantastic job of trying to actually serve their communities and keep them safe. A large majority of cops are fine. \n\n*That said,* the amount of times we see stories about corrupt dealings, shooting unarmed citizens, etc etc is way too high for a first world country, imo. There's certainly work to be done still.",
"I really wish he was still around today. It’s sad that the people who change the world for the better are always taken before their time.",
"Let's also remember that [the FBI tried to get Dr. King to commit suicide](https://imgur.com/gallery/u5ILiQ0) and that the FBI director at the time (Hoover) described King as, “the most notorious liar in the country.” \n\nFull NYTimes writeup [here](https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/16/magazine/what-an-uncensored-letter-to-mlk-reveals.html)\n\n\n\n1. https://imgur.com/gallery/u5ILiQ0\n2. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/16/magazine/what-an-uncensored-letter-to-mlk-reveals.html\n\n\n\nScreencap this if you wanna keep it. This account is probably going to get banned from /r/pics\n\n\n\nEdit: Here's another good article https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/11/fbis-suicide-letter-dr-martin-luther-king-jr-and-dangers-unchecked-surveillance\n\n~~Edit 2: If you click the permalink button below this post and keep refreshing the page you will see the votes hover around 125. It jumped to 140 for a sec then a quick refresh later was down to 120. Possible vote manipulation..~~ \n\nEdit 3: Calming it down. ",
"Most pathetic comment of January award goes to you!",
"> We have a murder rate 4x higher than most of Europe, and we also have 4x more people in prison. What a fucking shocker - it's almost like a lot of people in America are shitbags who belong in prison.\n> \n> \n\nSo instead of coming to the logical conclusion that perhaps either the American prison or legal systems are flawed, you come to the genius conclusion that the United States somehow has an unproportional amount of people that are inclined to criminal behavior?",
"It's common knowledge, you twit",
"2002, Washington D.C. - several hundred arrested\n\n2004, RNC New York - 1400-1800 arrested\n\n2012, Wall street - occupy Wall street, 700 arrested\n\n2012, Oakland - 400 arrested\n\nIt does still happen. Although I respect and am thankful for all the work Mr. King did for the civil rights movement, his efforts did not stop power from trying to consume and exert more power.\n\nPlease, next time you want to shit on someone so you can celebrate a holiday on a day that your overlords told you to do so just think about who and why you are doing it. Also, don’t change your fucking Facebook profile to an MLK quote. The man himself said “do not pretend action, be action, take action”",
"I second this motion, u/Fnhatic for 2020",
"\n\n*Green Day* too:\n\nAmerican Idiot\n\nDon't wanna be an American idiot\n\nDon't want a nation under the new media\n\nAnd can you hear the sound of hysteria?\n\nThe subliminal mind-fuck America\n\nWelcome to a new kind of tension\n\nAll across the alien nation\n\nWhere everything isn't meant to be okay\n\nTelevision dreams of tomorrow\n\nWe're not the ones who're meant to follow\n\nFor that's enough to argue\n\nWell maybe I'm the faggot America\n\nI'm not a part of a redneck agenda\n\nNow everybody do the propaganda\n\nAnd sing along to the age of paranoia\n\nWelcome to a new kind of tension\n\nAll across the alien nation\n\nWhere everything isn't meant to be okay\n\nTelevision dreams of tomorrow\n\nWe're not the ones who're meant to follow\n\nFor that's enough to argue\n\nDon't wanna…",
"Oh I'm in Canada and it's just a lousy Monday here :(",
"I was pretty outraged when I heard of all those arrests over weed.\n\nThen quietly, the rest of the info came out that they had crack, guns, angel dust, etc...\n",
"This country needs to pray more. Reverend King, although flawed, was a proud Christian when this country needed a Christian voice more than ever. RIP!",
"“It’s better than it was back then so why are they complaining?”\n\nThat’s a pretty low bar",
"Unfortunately where I live, if you fired the racist employees then you'd be pretty short on employees.\n\nYay Arkansas...",
"Oh... ASD strikes again",
"Almost said Commonwealth, which would have been more accurate for the time. Thank you Canada as well. ",
"Yes",
"That is actually a thing? And your family can look ~~you~~ any human being in the face?",
"If you ever attended a Rage Against the Machine concert in the 90's, you'd think they were selling them at the merch booth. To be fair, I'd give the youth a bit of leniency for ignorance. When my roommate in college went off on someone with one of those shirts I realized I needed to get some light education on the man myself. As I recall, the world wide web wasn't quite wide enough just yet to find much. After Wikipedia, there isn't much of an excuse though. To support the ignorance leniency, you need to understand there was a similar, if not equal chance back then of the same kid becoming a Jugalo.",
"Actually the word you're looking for is The Netherlands. Holland is only two of the provinces while the whole country is called The Netherlands. ",
"If you're talking about the TSA, I wouldn't even call them cops. Maybe rent-a-cops or mall cops with too much authority. Then again, mall cops and rent-a-cops probably don't even fail at their mission the vast majority of the time.",
"This is how you create equality, take a note BLM.",
">Did the JFK files last year expose that he was working with the Russians to destabilize the US. Why are we celebrating this man who raped women?\n\n\n\n\nthe irony that you of all people are saying this is palpable",
"I’m pretty sure that that’s a Morgan Freeman quote.",
"Any proof?",
"Thanks. I think I'll head over to /r/AskHistorians for more info",
"Not for a large part of the country's lack of trying.",
"This reminds me of the quote by Alexander II who emancipated the serfs, to convince the aristocrats in necessity of reform:\"“it is better to begin abolishing serfdom from above than to wait for it to begin abolishing itself from below\".",
"Actually we support their cause because it was actual discrimination and he didnt beat up white people.",
"CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT RESIGNED!",
"> America has a first-world police force (ie: not corrupt, well-funded, effective, competent) \n\nAre you kidding? There are literally culture icons from people that have exposed how rotten our police force is. Frank Serpico still gets death threats. He's 81. Competent? At what? Killing people in swatting pranks, shooting people who are already on the ground with their hands up not moving, or violating state laws as state agents to uphold federal laws and being unprofessional on cameras while doing so? Where precisely are they being most effective? It's certainly not at processing rape kits. \n\n>Why do you dumbasses complain about that 'people incarcerated' thing like we should just be putting fewer people in jail or something? \n\nConsidering our recidivism rate, it's doing more harm than good to our society when we put people away for minor, petty crimes where they hurt no one (like the aforementioned weed allusion), and have them come out as traumatized hardened criminals. \n\n>We have a murder rate 4x higher than most of Europe, and we also have 4x more people in prison. What a fucking shocker - it's almost like a lot of people in America are shitbags who belong in prison.\n\nNot once does it occur to you that maybe the problem is that we have fucked up laws? At no time does that cross your mind? Do you think base rate of shit heads is different in different places? Even if you did, are you going to take that sherlock holmes act you got going one step farther and figure out that it's because our education system is pathetic on a global scale? Are you serious right now? \n\nI am just as interested in voting multiple times as the other person who responded to you. I should damn well be allowed to downvote you more than once. ",
"Oh shit",
"Again, you're a liar. This topic has come up so damn often in 2 years on Reddit and elsewhere there is no possible way you're unaware of it. But tacit denial seems to be Vogue with troll this week.\n\nhttps://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Rep-DemSwitch.HTM\n\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/11/12/the-twentieth-century-reversal-how-did-the-republican-states-switch-to-the-democrats-and-vice-versa/\n\nhttps://www.livescience.com/34241-democratic-republican-parties-switch-platforms.html\n\nhttp://blogs.bu.edu/jgerring/files/2013/06/19thcDems.pdf\n\nhttp://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/reversal2.pdf\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_switching_in_the_United_States\n\nhttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/when-republicans-were-blue-and-democrats-were-red-104176297/",
"Really? I've absolutely never heard of this and I've visited dozen of 'hick towns' in the last few months. Fuhrer? Most people who 'idolize Trump' as you put it, don't even know what a Fuhrer is, it sounds like you're making shit up for points.",
"A music festival where I know an amnesty box is set up to drop drugs before entering, no questions asked. The EDM themed festivals where a lot of designer drugs are getting sold.",
"Do you? ",
"> America has a first-world police force (ie: not corrupt) \n \n*Got* to be kidding. Sure the police won't rob you, they'll just murder you instead. Much better. \n \nBut anyway it's not like Americans have some sort of genetic predisposition to crime. There are so many criminals because of a huge multitude of social problems that other countries solve far better than America, thus lowering their overall crime rate, so this whole \"Don't blame us, it's not our fault that we have criminals\" attitude is genuinely one of the stupidest things I've ever read. \n\n",
"Yes, semi-retarded left-wingers do.",
"Do you think people don't become criminals until after they're arrested and go to prison?",
"That doesn't seem right. The vikings were from Europe, and Portugal is in South America.",
">kneeling during the anthem is *misconstrued* as a sign of disrespect. \n\n\nFTFY",
"Do I what",
"Yes, because of people who protested like this. If reddit was around then, I’m sure you would be pointing out that things aren’t *really* bad for MLK and his supporters, I mean look at slavery! Sure there’s segregation and everything but you can’t even own these humans any more so why do they feel the need to protest?\n\nIn another 50 years hopefully we can look back and celebrate the peaceful NFL protests for the progress they helped drive as well. I’m sure there will be someone like you there to point out that things in the future aren’t so bad, after all, in 2018 even the President was attacking peaceful protests!",
"From the official .gov website: https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp\n\n46 % of the prisoners are there for a drug related offense. These people either need help or should not even be there in the first place. The US have the some of the most retarded drugs laws in the world and impose them to other countries too.",
"Dr King is rolling over in his grave today. He preached equality, not entitlement, which is what black society today is only concerned with ",
"Albert Einstein the famous economist?",
"I don't need a passport to travel from Texas to New York. Not sure what your point is on traveling, especially considering Texas is twice the size of Germany. I'm pretty sure Europeans do not have a scale how large the US is (although mostly Texas, goddamn does it suck driving across Texas).",
"modern rightwing principles in microcosm. \n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/D1E4KYC.png\n\nedit: ahaha /u/sirreginaldbartleby deleted his comments. Spinelss too!",
"Yeah our mass transportation sucks",
"What blows me away is that it is VERY possible that he would still be alive, or just recently have died, today. Imagine all of the good he could’ve done. All the lives he could’ve changed for the better. Shit, he might’ve even been able to be PRESIDENT at one point. But no. That was all taken away because of the color of his skin. I can’t stand this world, sometimes.",
"What is the thing in the bottom left corner next to King' s foot? A microphone? ",
"Still had nothing to do with the picture and shows how insecure you are. Also you're really obsessed with calling comments shitholes.",
"He also plagiarized to get that title. ",
"What do you believe is unfair or unequal about the treatments that either NFL players or black Americans receive under law today? ",
"Your argument is so weak that you have to resort to comparing the US to non industrialized nations because none of the data supports what you're saying.\n\nJust stop talking if that's the case.",
"> Conservative \n\nYou don’t know much about MLK do you?",
"This is well established fact that's common knowledge around the world, taught in Kindergarten, written about extensively, and well documented as both an intentional and happenstance phenomenon. \n\nThe study of alt-right trolls is still ongoing, however.",
">equal treatment under the law\n\nCops shoot more whites than blacks. Are you saying cops should shoot more blacks? 🤔",
"the first recorded sailors from portugal were the dudes that eventually found what today is brazil in south america. so yeah i think the vikings are nordic rather than portuguese, but its all so close over there",
"Nice career path. ",
"If you feel like getting cancer today, sort by controversial. ",
">arguing that economics isn't something you need a degree in to understand",
"He also worked to end slavery as early as 1784 and wrote his entire life and how slavery is a blight on the world. He ended the slave trade entirely in the United States and there are many other examples that show he was extremely conflicted about the idea of slavery. It isn't so black and white.",
"It's sad to see the civil rights movement has degenerated from this kind of inspiring peaceful protest in the face of true injustice, to violently destroying H&M stores because they had a T-shirt that could have been interpreted as racist. I wish more activists followed this example as opposed to resorting to violence. ",
"Because it takes so much more energy to hate than it does to love. You must be really tired. I hope you can find peace one day.",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_election_results_by_state#South\n\nThe south flipped their political leaning following a primarily Democrat supported Civil Rights Act.",
"He also warned that freeing slaves would create a class of people who will always resent white people \n\nPlus he owned slaves and raped them ",
"I'm sorry but eight good sources proving /u/Oktayey is wrong won't be enough \"burden of proof\" for him... ;)",
"He was kneeling against Democrats",
"The more things change the more they stay the same.\n\nExact same rhetoric and tactics thrown at MLK are being repeated today.\n\nhttps://imgur.com/gallery/1Db5X?\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/SfrlgA1.jpg\n\nBlaming MLK for the divide between races, saying he hates white people, wishing his protests were quiet and not disruptive, painting every protest as violent, saying he's bringing it on himself for his behavior. Saying \"well there are bad people on both sides and you're ignoring your bad people!\" \"What about black on black violence!\"\n",
"> and third-world crime problems.\n\nJust curious - what gives? Not really tho.",
"Lots of them had an \"over my dead body, literally\" policy personally though.",
"Bon jovi?",
"On a less eloquent note, Show me a country without profoundly nasty persons and events in its past and I'll- Oh wait, you can't.",
"He did no such thing, you're just an idiot and an asshole. Sorry, there's no other way to put it. Maybe try to live well with the world. You might start by learning something about it (and not from Breitbart).",
"I also lived in Germany, and you are completely wrong.",
">comparing the US to non industrialized nations\n\n-\n\n>America has a first-world police force (ie: not corrupt, well-funded, effective, competent) and **third-world crime problems.**",
"Don't Google the Selma, Alabama riots. \n\nYou might be disappointed. ",
"Exactly, MLK was born the exact same way we were. He was no more man than any of us but he acted and that’s what made him special. \n\nWe may never have the same level of influence but we possess the power to change",
"I'm sure they did both.\n\nI don't believe in any supernatural powers of prayer, but I'm sure it can be a powerful bonding ritual in this sort of context.",
"Do you have any idea how often people with PHD's in economics are WRONG? It's a LOT more than anyone who calls themselves and expert should be wrong. \n\nThe only people who don't believe in better distribution of wealth are either wealthy or ignorant. No one person is worth ten million times that of another. Ironic that the country that espouses that all men were created equal allows for some men to hoard all the wealth created by others. ",
"\"It's not February yet...\"\n\n-Morgan Freeman",
"Alabamian here. Never heard of it until now. ",
"No he was not that’s just a bunch of whitewashing nonsense the alt-right spews every year about MLK jr",
"This is America. The true America. Land of the fucking Free!\n\nTrue Americans supported the freedoms of all during the CRM.\n\nTrue Americans support the ones struggling to attain equality currently. \n\nAnyone not American please understand the fool representing the USA doesn't represent *us*. True Americans believe at their core it is morally imperative that all men, women and anything in between of any color, sexuality, age or faith are given the same human rights and freedoms as any other human. ",
"who do you think the \"black community\" draws inspiration from? ",
"Is Hamilton not a founding father? He was definitely anti-slavery so I just assumed he was against racism.",
"How can Indians be American when they literally predate the country nor founded the country?",
"You've missed OP's point. MLK Jr. was special, but he was still a man. Often we idolize men and women of history or our heroes, and we forget that they are just people. Remembering they are just like us reminds us that they were not perfect, and we could be just like them as well.",
"thank you.",
"Do you think that if Europe repealed their gun laws tomorrow that people would start shooting each other on the scale that Americans do? I don't. There are culture things at play that transcend laws. ",
"Incorrect. Even BLM individuals will say it is intended to be disrespectful. The debate is over to whom it is disrespectful. If it wasn’t disrespectful to something, they wouldn’t do it.",
"Oh lawd ",
"https://youtu.be/8xhXNls-lh4#t=30s",
"A projection can't be violent... and also peaceful revolution is totally possible atm. It's called voting for one, you know, that thing that Trump supporters did more than the other guys (in the places it mattered).",
"Well whadya know, he was right, wasnt he",
"No because that's not how that works. It'd be moronic (surely you're smarter than that and are saying it tongue in cheek and not foolish enough to actually think that) to think because it works there that it'd work here. And, more so, Europe (especially Western Europe) is more anti-gun than \"gun control\".\n\nAmerica is quite the unique country. It's why Apple, Microsoft, Google, etc are all based in the US and not Mexico, Haiti, Germany, Spain, Ireland, Finland, Philippines, Japan, and other countries -- America is jut a weird and unique country with unique problems.",
"There is a difference between doing for an actual purpose and leading people in prayer and doing it for attention on TV... also he is praying not disrespecting America and it's national anthem.",
"This coming from the guy who said multiple times \"Make Zimbabwe Rhodesia again...\"",
"King was understood to be antihomosexuality for the record",
"A true leader! ",
"> Most Christians don't use their religion to discriminate or manipulate people either\n\nNot to rain on things but, that isn't really true, unfortunately. They may not think \"I'm going to be malevolent\" to their understanding, but it isn't true. At least, not in the US. Surveys have been consistent and accurate for a long time.",
"Almost as if they are in two entirely different contexts.",
"My small town has MLK day, but have Lee-Jackson weekend.",
"I think the American legal and prison system is flawed AND there is a disproportionate amount of people inclined to criminal behavior. ",
"Duh but that doesn't mean it's okay now",
"Im not an expert on your American football but are they not suppose to beat up the opponent no matter the race ?",
"Such a powerful image. The man of a generation. ",
"Don't bite. Roll with them and you'll just get dirty.",
"No similarities? None? Can't draw any connection at all?",
"The common differentiation is \"dot not feathers\" or vice versa \n",
"It was terrifying. From the \"Shit\" to \"hole\". ALL OF IT HAD ME SHOOK",
">It partly depresses me how so many of his arguments are valid, or even more so, today than at his time.\n\nAbsolutely.\n\n>\"I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to \"order\" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: \"I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action\"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a \"more convenient season.\" Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.\"\n\n\nRemember this when you see someone complaining about BLM blocking roads or Kaepernick kneeling because it's 'disruptive' or 'disrespectful.' How they're 'not convincing anyone by being obnoxious.'\n\n\nMLK was blamed for causing the racial divide in the 50s by 'moderates' because he brought to bare what was already present.",
"What exactly does your username imply",
"Hmm. It does seem that's the case. But the committee that made that finding also went on to say that no thought should be given to revoking his doctorate.",
"So I guess Trump will be doing a marathon ~~gold~~ edit:golf session for the entirety of February. I bet he can't do it.",
"Wonder who is the evil twin ? :o",
"Hey guys, remember when posts about MLK on Reddit weren't filled with hate and division? Wonder what changed around here... ",
"Yeah I'm lost too. I'm not sure what he was getting at with that gif. ",
"At least three other people posted this silly strawman argument in this thread already, you're a little late.",
"Since when did freedom and liberty equate to travel? Not sure how we call America the free'ist country in the world when we throw more of our own people in cages than any other country in the world. ",
"History says otherwise. You know...facts?! His own family right now sitting with Trump today and this weekend. You would think those would mean something but REEEEEEEEEE",
"Nope kneeling to protest has nothing in common with kneeling to pray. Outside the kneeling of course.",
"Their point was that Einstein was a *physicist*, not an economist. He was uneducated on economics and thus his opinion on the subject was worthless.",
"As if having more money in America doesn’t get you off the hook... Our bribery is quiet here. ",
"CIA killed him. Never forget",
">visited dozen of 'hick towns' in the last few months\n\nwhew, a real expert here\n\n>absolutely never heard of this\n\nwhy would anyone even bring up MLK day on a random visit of yours in October-January\n\n\n",
"If you're suggesting that Nazism is a Socialist ideology then you're right, you don't really understand politics.\n\nThe NSDAP had some left-wing elements (Strasserites) but the mainstream ideology of Nazism was a far-right fascist one. Fascism is known for co-opting leftist terminology to acquire broad support (since Socialism was much more popular in Weimar Germany than it is today). And those left-wing elements (including Strasser himself) were purged.",
"How sad he would be to know how little we've progressed.\n\nThe content of your character matters even less than your identity today. America has a long way to go.",
"proving /u/Oktayey is wrong won't be eno proving /u/Oktayey is wrong won't be eno proving /u/Oktayey is wrong won't be eno",
"He was assassinated ",
"Back when they took a knee for a good reason. ",
"And I agree that they shouldn’t. I just want to bring to light how he got his PHD. Academic standards were enforced abysmally in his case. ",
"I was fortunate enough to find employ and gain residence status in Canada soon after my child was born. America is no place to raise a family any more. Especially with a black mother/wife. I implore any one else in my situation with the means to follow suit. You won't regret it.",
"Yet we don't even get today off in most corporate America jobs. And I'm supposed to believe we care about black people in this country ",
">arguing that economics **isn't something you need a degree in to understand**",
"Thomas Jefferson would see this and be horrified. ",
"Which arguments, specifically, do you think apply more today than during his time?",
"And judging by The Simpsons, Lisa is up next.",
"Kneeling during the anthem was suggested to Kaepernick by a Green Beret combat veteran.",
"You the real MVP",
"For the record just about all news outlets would have eaten him alive at the time",
"They were arrested because at the time they were fighting for the right to vote. To say they didn't have a permit is an understatement. Black right to vote only existed in August of the Year. They basically had no representation.",
"Where is it stated in any of those sources that the founders of the KKK switched to the Republican party?",
"I've never heard this and i grew up in the south. Sounds made up",
"Wow, you are truly delusional. I feel bad for you if you actually live with this perception of reality. ",
"“God damn contacts”! \n“Marty, you need you some lasiks.",
"His numbers are bullshit. The murder rates of the US are like 5x places like Germany and Sweden. But like 10 times their incarceration rates. ",
"Dr. King was arrested on this march. ",
"He's just resting after the orgy.\n\nDon't get me wrong, I am pro-orgy and pro-MLK. ",
"Oh Lord he is great",
"They regularly fucking murdered his supporters.\n\nCourse, the guy with \"88\" his name who regularly posts racially charged and bigoted stuff....",
"I believe you meant... \"Thanks to the 25 million Russians who died fighting the full force of the Nazi machine so America could congratulate itself after performing well on clean up duty on the back-end\" ",
"I don’t think the civil rights movement has degenerated quite so badly. In my understanding you have peaceful and violent protest, both in that era and today. I would assert it’s unrealistic to expect that everyone who suffers from injustice as MLK worked to end will react all the same. I don’t personally agree or condone violent protest/counter-protest, but I also understand people get angry/upset/frustrated at the situation and lash out in different ways.\n\nStrictly my observation of course. ",
"Jesus fuck you are missing the point coming and going. People said the exact same shit about King in 1965 that they're saying about NFL players. \n\n",
"I've played so much GTAV that I don't even know if it is FIB or FBI anymore.",
"I think they are trying to say that Martin Luther King possessed no sort of super human ability to do the things he did. And that in some way or another we are all capable of elements of Dr. King's legacy. He was just a man. But he stood for something larger than just a single man. And I think that is the point of what they are saying. We can ALL stand like he did for a greater good and something larger than just ourselves. ",
"Martin Luther sik lad first one to pop a squat",
"So a famous physicist can say that economics isnt worth studying?\n\n\nHow does that make sense?\n\n\n",
"The Sioux is a group of people\n\n\"The Sioux comprise three major divisions based on language divisions: the Dakota, Lakota, and Nakota\". The Sioux would be similar to a western europeans, or maybe an empire (but, like the Romans or Greeks form of empire - the areas under them functioning autonomously for the most part).\" (from Wikipedia)\n\nThe Dakota, Lakota, and Nakota are probably more like individual countries or geographic regions with people having the same language but not part of the same group (like the Germans and Dutch, or maybe even like German states), having different cultures between each sub-group.\n\n\n\nAn individual sub-group may have been deplorable, but saying they were all like the Nazis doesn't acknowledge the large amount of separate groups and ways of life they were comprised of.",
"I get so mad whenever people think Martin Luther King was some sort of cultist.",
"I'd go back in a heartbeat actually. Plot twist, every place sounds shitty if that's all you care to acknowledge.",
"I'm convinced that RATM are time travellers who missed their exit by two decades, because their music is arguably more relevant than ever before.",
"We're better than... North Korea.... hooray!\n\nMy, what a high bar.",
"Here's an idea, click the link and find out for yourself.",
"Just go back to your room and jerk off on your photo of Cheeto in Chief fuckface <3",
"Well he obviously meant humans in general, but there are hundreds of great women that anyone can look up to.",
"Simpson’s did it!",
"Not sure what your point is...doesn’t matter who it’s suggested by. I’m just saying that the comparison between MLK kneeling in this picture and the anthem protests is a false comparison ",
"I did some searching and I can't find anything remotely similar attributed to Morgan Freeman.",
"Yeah, you're right, American cops are exactly as bad as, say, Mexican cops.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlatelolco_massacre\n\nHmm.\n\nYou have, what, some fucking singular anecdotes that show up on Reddit every few weeks? That's your \"proof\"? There are tons of studies about worldwide police and government corruption and the US doesn't even come close to cracking the top *one hundred*:\n\nhttps://ourworldindata.org/corruption\n\nhttps://www.cmi.no/publications/3076-crime-poverty-police-corruption-in-developing\n\nHey shit for brains - you know why you don't get stories on /r/worldnews from Mexico and Brazil and Russia about cops destroying cameras and stealing product from stores after they bust them? Because that shit is a *regular occurrence* in those countries.",
"I mean, yeah\n\n\nbut not to the Flag or country or the troops;\n\nit's only disrespectful to conservative snowflakes\n\n",
"You don’t get it eh?",
"Correct them as angrily as they correct people who say Happy Holidays",
"Trumpanzees would be calling him a vandal, rapist, etc.",
"I mean while the guy is a prick for attacking a dude cuz of a typo you’re defense is really stupid imo. It’s an obvious typo and I don’t think it’s a good thing I’m reminded of the cofveve incident by your responses. ",
"Oh god, it's going to be one these comment chains....",
"Goalposts moved!",
"weird how many dumbass rightwinger comments came in here the past hour making this same comment as willowemoc...",
"I love how you can drive through the south and on bathroom walls across the region, in Louisiana, in Georgia, in Florida, you'll see written \"I hate this part of Texas\".\n\nTexas is *big.*",
"You can drive from Gibraltar to Finland without a passport, which is about the distance from Madrid to Moscow...",
"You can't get more American than being American and standing up to an American government in America.",
"Now that's just a straight up lie",
"[Clippy wants to help you!](https://dobrador.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/17884394_10154176852652271_1809240513045015038_n.jpg)",
"congrats, you are using the exact same rhetoric they used against MLK 70 years ago.",
"Did you happen to Read the article? There were guns, cocaine, and other paraphernalia at the party. I highly doubt that didn’t play any part in them getting arrested. ",
"I think the real MVP was MLK.",
"Cruise control and mobile porn makes the drive less shitty.",
"Or maybe the US has always had the same problems with racism, corruption and imperialism that RATM sang about, but lately those problems have just become more visible. ",
"The difference is the TSA can put you on the no fly list with no oversight. A friend of my father's nearly lost his career due to a TSA fuck up which lead the FAA to try and take away his certs or at least get him fired.",
"I understand where you're coming from, but I think this sentiment can have the opposite effect to the one you want. If I compare myself to Dr. King, it might actually stymie me, because I might not be able to imagine myself doing anything as great as what he did.\n\nHowever, King did not act alone. It's important to remember that doing anything positive, no matter how small, is still better than doing nothing. My praises may never be sung like Dr. King's, but I can still play a part in the struggle for justice.",
"The answer to your first question is no. Got into an argument with this guy who was insisting MLK jr was a wife beater until later he admitted he knew piss all. There are no sources showing otherwise except for the circlejerk of r/the_donald fabricating info about a great man.",
"Yeah, nha it's not.",
" True Patriot.",
"The sad part is that people will believe *you* without a second thought, even if you're right. \n\nI found a source here: https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/when-injustice-becomes-law-resistance-becomes-duty-spurious-quotation\n\n>This statement has not been found in Thomas Jefferson's writings, although it captures some of the ideas that Jefferson expressed in the Declaration of Independence, e.g. \"...when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government...\"",
"Less of a family tree, more of a stump",
"My name is a star wars character.\n\nNice attempt to accuse me of being a Nazi because you were exposed to a perspective that exists outside of your tiny, manicured bubble.",
"So brave!",
"Careful your not providing them with safe spaces. ",
"Good one bro. Let’s smash some brews in the quad later fam.",
"He was a doctor AND a king? What a man!",
"People now a days don't like facts. ",
"> He did no such thing, you're just an idiot and an asshole.\n\nHAHAHA, you're fucking dumb! Irony;)",
"Did you seriously just imply that US cops aren't corrupt? Jesus man, put down the meth pipe and turn off Alex Jones. \n \nPeople are saying that we shouldn't be sending people to for-profit-prisons for petty drug crimes. Christ, you people will find conspiracy literally everywhere else...",
"\"difference between doing for an actual purpose and leading people in prayer\"\n\nTry again maybe?",
"I think George Mason would have stood with King. ",
"It's something I'd expect from a kid that has no understanding of life or perhaps no empathy for people they don't know.",
"Do we really need a fight on this? We are thankful towards everyone involved in freeing Germany.",
"That's because there is a large gap in quality of life here in the States.\n\nI've traveled around Europe and Canada. I'm confident that my quality of life here in the States is pretty much equal to how it would be in Canada, England, Germany, or Scandinavia. I'm well educated, have a good income, and live in a nice area with good public schools. This is the United States I know and am familiar with. One where I don't encounter guns, violence, and where the police are helpful. One where when I get sick or hurt, I can go to the hospital and get good, timely treatment and pay off the copay on my insurance (mother recently had open heart surgery and it went smoothly).\n\nThat said, one of my good friends and coworkers comes from a different background. He is black, had a poor single parent, and grew up in a bad part of town. He had to work incredibly hard to go to college and came out with a ton of debt. Last year, he got pulled over in another state and questioned for a half hour by a state trooper because he didn't signal when he changed lanes and has an earring.\n\nIf you take my life and compare it to that of people in other countries, it lines up nicely. If you take his, it looks like he grew up in a 3rd world country because of the rates of arrest, violent crime, and statistics like infant mortality (infant mortality in his childhood neighborhood is similar to that of Iraq today).\n\nThey're two different worlds which have been shoved together. Many people don't see the other side.",
"MLK was fighting literal government mandated discrimination. \n\nMultimillionaire NFL players are fighting what in a country where there is literally government mandated discrimination in their favor in tons of social institutions and private businesses?\n\nThey're not even in the same league (rimshot).\n\n",
"> every place sounds shitty if that's all you care to acknowledge\n\nThis stuff doesn't happen everywhere and only recently began happening here.",
"You think black people are treated the same way white people are treated?\n\nIf you could switch places, would you agree to be treated the way black people are treated today?",
"Guess now a days it's down votes. ",
"every one of their albums does, primarily the debut ",
"yes \"construed\" as a sign of disrespect. Not intended to be. ",
"99",
"Is this common speak around your parts, or are they emboldened by the current political climate?\n\nOne thing that I have heard (from previous Civil Rights generations) was at least with outright racists, you know where they stand. They will call you names to your face, rather than be polite and then just be secretively racist. \n\nThat might be what has happened in the national mindset (since maybe the 90s?). The people who held these beliefs shirked away from the national consciousness since the sea change was going against their favor, but amongst themselves and their groups kept the fire smoldering. \n\nNow, with a President who at the least has groups of the population using him as catalyst to promote their ideas, whether he is an outright racist or not, they are coming back into the limelight. \n\nIf anything good can from that, it is hopefully the ability to confront that head on with what I hope will be the correct action leading to positive change (again). ",
"I really, really hoped that Prophets of Rage would be good. Too bad. ",
"Sorry, gender was not meant to be specified in that sense. I have since corrected the comment to include women. In general, it's easier to address all of mankind with one word, but I see now how that can be perceived and how historically it was the semantically correct word to use, but in today's word it is seen as excluding half of our population. ",
"When r/the_donald *really* wants an actual great man on their team.",
"Most people (and by that I mean white male landowners, because those were the people with any power) back then, even abolitionists, were of the opinion \"black people are definitely inferior to white people, and shouldn't have the same kind of rights we do.\" The only difference is abolitionists thought that even black people didn't deserve to be enslaved.",
"Find the person who failed History in High School.",
"Dr. King made me believe equality of opportunity was possible. Today's brigaders looking for equality of outcome would deeply shock and offend Dr. King.",
"Do a simple fucking search bud, you have entire news and journalistic entities spewing anti white bullshit all the time but In the same breath try to tell everyone, it's not about color!!.\n\n\nhttps://youtu.be/aRW0ISEOD3Q",
"How dare they kneel!",
"This single image of Selma makes the town look far greater then than it does now. ",
"Eh, without American industry the Russians would have had an even harder time fighting back the Nazis. Lend Lease gave the Soviets time to rebuild their own industry and hold what they had. \n\nThen we also might as well forget the war in the Pacific and Africa that the Soviets never really participated in.",
"You know they killed him right?",
"Notice how you can't address how stupid your argument being torpedoed so your only recourse is feign offense.\n\nLOL\n",
"This is well known history son. Go learn something. ",
"When was the last time you got pulled over by a cop and he threatened to take you to jail if you didn't pay him a 'fine' on the spot?",
"Yeah -- every European I've met didn't understand how big Texas was. They thought it was funny that I was gitty when we were casually just going to another country. I'm like \"do you understand how big of a drive that is where I'm from and here we are just casually taking a train ride to fuckin' Germany!!\"\nOh how I wish we had better mass transportation in the States. I'd love to just casually hop on and go.",
"Do you think every single person in the American criminal justice system right now *deserves* to be there? Including the massive amount of nonviolent drug offenders? Heck some people have committed three non-violent misdemeanors in some states and they are now living the remainder of their lives behind bars. What if those crimes happened in the 70s when racially charged sentencing was closer to the norm? Do those 50 year-prisoners deserve to be there without question as well? \n\nIf the answer is *maybe not* to any of those, then the answer to your question is a bit more nuanced than a yes or no. ",
"Uh, yeah as a white man in a 80% black urban area, it's happened a lot. I've been jumped strictly because I'm white, you should see how the justice system (on a smaller scale not necessarily judges) treats white people. ",
"It's about proportions, they do not shoot whites at nearly the same rate as black. It's mind boggling that some people can have such a fundamental misunderstanding of basic statistics",
"Literally my thoughts",
"Maybe...but the whole point is that Dr.Kings intent in kneeling in this picture is to pray. Again, different than the intent of BLM protestors",
"I guess you forgot about the time that allied air superiority and strategic air command decimated the luftwaffe and German industry, the Royal and American navies sank the axis navy and shipping and tied up the Italians in the Mediterranean and stopped them from keeping Africa and oil supplies forcing a push into Kursk. And the time that Americans lend leased the shit out of the Soviets. And the fact that if Japan weren't busy fighting the USN they could have occupied Soviet divisions. But other than that, sure buddy. ",
"> although I'm not sure if the official figures from North Korea are to be trusted\n\nNot that this excuses the state of the US prison industrial complex, but there are likely several countries with such reporting issues.",
"The NFL beat up white people?",
"If a person who's uneducated on a specific subject tries arguing that the subject doesn't require education at all, you should just disregard them. They literally don't even know what they don't know.",
"Dr King would be appalled at affirmative action, hiring quotas, insane levels of welfare being dolled out, black unemployment. \n\nHe preached equality, not entitlement. He would be disgusted at the black community today.",
"And thanks for proving my point.",
"When you have reception. Personally I'm a Tumblr slut. Loves me some tumblr porn.",
"..... Are you that stupid?",
"Yeah, nha, it is. Russians did fight the full force of the Nazi machine no doubt, but to say America just pat itself on the back while doing \"clean up duty\" is pure unadulterated horseshit.",
"I think that kind of thinking is fundamentally incorrect, and can cause people to follow others for no reason. \n\n\n\nIn this case, there's no harm done, but what if someone like him started something awful?",
"Is it you? Because in terms of actual fighting, he's right on the money.",
"Holland works too, he didn't say \"what country is freer\", he said \"what land is freer\". Land could mean a province, a country, a continent, etc",
"Doesn’t matter the context...the execution is different.",
"I'm curious why you keep saying \"non-violent\" like non-violent crimes don't deserve jail time. Last time I checked, fraud was a non-violent crime. You're saying that shouldn't come with a jail sentence?\n\n>Heck some people have committed three non-violent misdemeanors in some states and they are now living the remainder of their lives behind bars.\n\nCitation needed. Three-strikes laws apply to felonies.",
"The problem is that a lot of current civil rights movements are _afraid_ of getting arrested when that's the whole point of peaceful protest.\n\nInstead we get anarchists that think destroying livehoods is a way to fight injustice",
"You're welcome to go see his arguments for yourself. Can't really rebut him though, what with being dead and all.",
"Don't ban this.",
"You know what land is also much whiter than America? The Netherlands. Where ads like this were displayed not too long ago http://money.cnn.com/blogs/browser/uploaded_images/sony-724850.jpg\n\nI find it interesting that people like to mention nordic European countries that are so overwhelmingly white. Some people on reddit love diversity except they only like to praise the whitest countries in the world.",
"Truth",
"What facts? There are no facts that says he was a anything let alone a fucking conservative and just because ONE relative he has is a trump supporter doesn’t mean his whole family is, in fact they have been public about there distaste of his very recent actions. But keep up with your bullshit. ",
"Rappers.",
"Thank you for the karma Dr. King.",
"I’m assuming by your comment that you don’t think the minimum wage should be a living wage. I don’t want to start an argument, I just want to ask a question. \n\nLet’s say I’m the manufacturer of a product, and that product is made out of X material. Unfortunately for me, the price of X material has gone up and that will hurt my business. Does that mean I get a discount on X material? Can I set my own price that works for me? No, I can’t because that’s not how a free market works. If the cost of doing business exceeds my profits, I have failed in a free market. \n\nHuman labor is not a commodity to be exploited. If your employee works full time hours but aren’t paid enough to keep a roof over their head, food in their stomachs, electricity/water/gas running through their home, and basic health insurance, then you have failed in the free market. You can’t keep up with the cost of business. Admittedly there are quite a few systemic issues that can make paying a living wage functionally impossible in some regions: places where the cost of living is abnormally high or not a lot of people in your region have expendable income to spend at your establishment. I’ll address those father down. \n\nA low minimum wage also causes a lot of problems. For one, the US government tries to keep its citizens from starving and dying on the streets. If I’m not paying my employees enough for them to survive, Uncle Sam is going to step up and make up the difference. Now tax payers are subsidizing my inability to succeed in this economy. \n\nSubsidizing individuals through cash welfare, food stamps, and the like diverts money away from fixing the systemic problems I mentioned above. There is less money to spend on affordable housing, better infrastructure, efficient public transportation, and a functional school system. \n\nThen there is the final, glaring issue to a low minimum wage. If I don’t have to pay my employees a living wage, then other businesses in my area don’t have to either. That means the employees of those businesses have the same problems that mine have; forget having expendable income, these people don’t have enough income to meet basic requirements for survival. No one is going to be buying my product because they don’t have money to spend. \n\nAnd when X material really does go up, and when my rent for the property increases, and inflation devalues any savings I might have, my profits will stay the same or go down. My business will slowly suffocate surrounded by people who could save it if only they could buy what I’m selling. Then a WalMart will move in across town—the last nail in the coffin for Mom and Pop stores like mine. And America will subsidize about $6 billion dollars of WalMart’s profits because of their employees who still qualify for public assistance. But I can’t vote for an increase in the minimum wage, because think of what it will do for small businesses. ",
"Do you really think our generation is so special? These problems have been around long before any of us were alive...",
">retorts with insults and still can't address the argument.\n\ngg, no re.",
"Chill White boy, we call ourselves that too.\n\nIt's like Black and African American - back in the 90s the word \"Black\" made bleeding heart liberals like you cringe too just like you are now about \"Indian\".\n\nBut then people realized that most Black folks preferred and used Black over the more clinical African American.\n\nAnd to that degree, it is the same for us who more commonly use Indian over the more clinical sounding Native American.\n\nAnd yes, many of us prefer our tribal or national name, but none of us expect you to guess that. If you live in New Mexico and are guessing that people you're meeting are Iroquois then that's stupid, but no one expects you to tell a Hopi from an Apache without asking and also it's sometimes weird when you hippie ass White people ask in the first place. \n\nDon't cry our tears for us, we don't need you. ",
"http://i.imgur.com/exl28vD.gif",
"http://i.imgur.com/exl28vD.gif",
"guys we got a militant atheist over here. He who values thought has apparently never given thought to the fact that the act of public praying can be a symbolic gesture that is helpful for a community.",
"Why would your account get banned from r/pics ? \n \nAlso, how does reddit comment system work? \nYou have the 2nd spot on the comment list filtered by best, and your comment is only 25 minutes old, when the original post is 6 hours old and the other comments below yours have hundreds of upvotes and are hours older.",
"http://i.imgur.com/exl28vD.gif",
"It's nice to see some classic meming every now and then.",
"I would have loved to have been hired or accepted to a school that took me solely due to the color of my skin and without regards to my achievements, qualifications, work history, etc.\n\nHow people are treated is a direct result of how people act and the choices they make. I know, its a real difficult concept.",
"What's your deal with Sweden. Nobody said that nor am I even in that continent.",
"And now you're under control!",
"In Virginia, we have Lee-Jackson Day.",
"Lets imagine that its true, what was the motive then? They were scared of exactly what? Mass protests across the us? Dude was a preacher, not some nazi cunt\nLol @ the people who down vote me, I'm not even American, I'm just curious about the motivation of the secret services of the usa to kill MLK",
"They get tried as adults WAY more often that whitey. Whitey can be tried as a minor when they are 17 and kill someone. Black, 14 and sold pot Well tried as an adult.\n\nQuote rap Lyrics in Facebook as a black man and you go to jail. \n\nBe White and beat a black guy umconscious and you go free.\n\n\n",
"Years of identity politics in pretty much all mediums. ",
"Lol the Haudenosaunee used to skin their war captures alive by using the equivalent of a clam shell to scrape the skin off of them.\n\nThat would be the Iroquois, to you.\n\nLol, you know, the \"peaceful\" and \"enlightened\" ones you mentioned.\n\nLOL\n\nIf you wanted a bleeding heart liberal example of the peaceful, enlightened \"noble savage\" then you should have used Hopi as your example.\n\nIroquois became a huge, confederacy for a reason and it wasn't because of peaceful \"democracy\". The Mohawk, 1/6 of the Iroquois league are famous in their own right for their behavior. ",
"The only reason black people are treated differently is because they demand it.",
"I'm pretty sure crime happens just about everywhere actually.",
"I highly recommend everyone read Dr King's Letters From a Birmingham Jail. This is my favorite part of the Letter.\n\n*\"First, I must confess that over the last few years\nI have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, \"I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action\"; who paternalistically feels that he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time; and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a \"more convenient season.\" Shallow understanding from people of\ngood will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more\nbewildering than outright rejection.\"*",
"In relation to the sacrifices made by everyone else that's basically what it was, to America as a whole mind you - not the individual soldier.",
"That guy standing on the right has the first Apple ear bud headphones.",
"These guys taking cognitive dissonance to a *whole* new level",
"What? That is history.... Just Read a Book.",
"MLK was the real MVP.",
"This is honestly very true though. Not many countries throughout history, or even today that you have the freedom to do that.",
"Well thought out response. ",
"You.",
"> Equality doesn't mean you guys get to bash straight white men every chance you get. Oh, but my voice doesn't matter because I have white privilege, right? \n\nI'm a straight white guy who's been living and working in a big and super-liberal American city for over a decade, and I can't imagine someone honestly thinking that without being pathetically fragile.",
"Right now I think most anti-Trump Americans believe a full-blown peaceful revolution isn't even necessary yet, let alone a violent one. Most people are still looking for a solution within our current government, hoping for a change of power via democratic means (elections) and/or legal means (impeachment, Mueller's investigation).\n\nIf those fail, then we might be looking at a revolution. But right now, most of the talk is not about a revolution, it's about Mueller and the 2018 elections.",
"Thats not how it works. I dont have to prove that we breath air. ",
"Percentage wise more black people are killed by cops and more of them are unarmed. Not hard to wrap your head around this. Stop spreading this misleading information around.",
"And that's the point of the original comment. We need some civil rights leaders now, so why not any one of the people in this thread? MLK was just a person, just like all of us, and he pushed himself to change the world for the better, so why couldn't anyone else? ",
"Or Germany, Canada",
"Good man. The work Dr King lived and died for is an inspiration and society can use a lesson from his preaching ",
"https://i.imgur.com/0hQyd5L.gifv",
"Is there not a possibility that the critics of MLK Jr. were wrong and the critics of the NFL are right? I mean you can hardly draw a comparison between MLK Jr. and the average football player except for maybe the color of their skin.",
"Amen! I don’t feel like anyone has a big enough voice right now in the civil rights movement. Obama is largely staying out of things and Bernie hasn’t been very vocal lately. Oprah touched a nerve with her speech at that awards show but not much came of that. ",
"I love this.",
"Both were... ",
"We have no idea how MLK would think about gay marriage now, because he was murdered long before now. Many people of his age however opposed it at the time but have come around to accepting it now. ",
"Fairly sure identity politics started well before black people were even allowed to vote here. ",
"MLK was friends with and supported Muhammad Ali who was openly 'disrespectful' and 'unpatriotic' about a country he felt disrespected him. ",
"I've had alt accounts get banned for posting similar posts (with sources) before. Here on /r/pics and /r/politics especially. ",
"What a roller coaster. ",
"I mean, if he was educated with all the science and progress we've made, maybe he would be. If you took someone from 200 years ago and planted them in the middle of our society, well yeah, naturally their views on things would be conflicting and outdated.\n\nThe whole purpose of the enlightenment was to create the foundation of ideas and laws that would lead to the progress we've made here, just because the people who envisioned the first steps didn't suddenly jump two centuries of social progress overnight doesn't detract anything they did right. A good idea is a good idea, regardless of the source.\n\nConversely if you were dropped as a baby somewhere 200 years ago, you would believe the same thing.",
"Too bad some White racist asshole shot him before he could help us come up with something better.\n",
"> I do find it interesting I got plenty of downvotes for saying that as a woman, I’m not a part of the man group\n\nThat’s because you’re being a little pedantic. Most people can see what OP’s message is and you took it to a different argument with gender. Even if it was gender specific, OP’s message is still a positive message ",
"This is a good point that illustrates how hard it is to evaluate people from different eras. Would the Founders march with King in '63? Would King march in a Pride parade in 2018? Who the hell knows. We should probably be gentle when we judge people outside of their time and context. ",
"No, that the original members of the KKK switched over to the Republican party.",
"Wow, really? ",
"King's message was profound and necessary.\n\nI just wish the slaves had found Buddhism instead. But the Bible was forced on them and it was something at least.\n\nAny belief system that turns people against their friends, family and neighbors over mere thoughts has no place within our society.",
"That's inaccurate. Even if you're correct that half of all charges are against black people that is not proof that half of all crimes are committed by black people. ",
"Nope because I'm not a moderate liberal White.\n\nI'm a POC!\n\nSo stop talking down to POC, typical White bleeding heart paternal racist who fits MLK's description far more than me.\n\nAnd if you think MLK intended or would want his quotes freely attached to any and every hashtag fad started by a Black person, you're insane.\n\nHe was fighting for real freedom. The NFL players are crying about nothing. They aren't doing shit because the real problem isn't racial and will never be stopped by filthy rich 0.1%ers taking a knee at their silly millionaire weekend ballgame. ",
"Because they don’t. And if you had any idea of our recidivism rates for non-violent offenders, you’d agree. It only further entrenches problems, leading to that 4x figure you stated earlier.",
"America doesn't do any of that if they have to face a Nazi military at full force. America fought a shell of a military on the western front. You don't understand just how unstoppable Hitler's machine was. Russia lost twice of Canada's population at the time keeping them at bay, all the while having home-field advantage too. Missouri Joe doesn't last 2 weeks in Pyrenees, & Alpine warfare against hardened German vets, many of whom at that point were veterans of two world wars.",
"> How people are treated is a direct result of how people act and the choices they make. I know, its a real difficult concept.\n\nOh come on, now you've got to be trolling.",
"[KNEELING?!?!](https://media1.tenor.com/images/066eecd682ed6c4b7c6376b06055b16d/tenor.gif?itemid=5494205)",
"I wonder if it could somehow be related to poor socioeconomic circumstances which might have happened because of segregation back in the day which moved black people together into poorer neighborhoods.\n\nOr you could just believe it's as simple as skin colour.",
"... like everyone else back then. Or atleast many. ",
"Africa?",
"Georgia?",
"Tell that to republicans",
"Do you reading comprehension much? He is saying that the US just sat back and waited for the Russians to win the war on their Front and then claimed victory.",
"Trump was a candidate in 2000 on the reform party ticket. He doesn't remember that anymore but it did happen.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000",
"Percentage wise more blacks are killed by blacks\n\nhttps://youtu.be/TRDCzSBIASw",
"youre an idiot.",
"Nowadays people would just change their Facebook cover photo. In the past, people would rise to meet the challenges of the day. Now, people are either too distracted or two busy trying to tread water to even notice the oppression or struggles of their fellow man. ",
"I first started hearing it in college (school in the suburbs with a large number of kids from rural areas studying architecture, construction management, and civil engineering).\n\nThis \"Robert E. Lee day\" name was usually followed with the description \"Because MLK didn't do shit. Lee's the one that had to pull the trigger\". It was always said in the privacy of a house or apartment though. Never out in public.",
"I agree. Sure, the don is no messiah, but he hasn’t done anything disastrous. Plus, there’s this year’s elections, the 2020 elections, etc. If somehow don loses both the electoral vote and the popular vote and still refuses to step down (with the help of republicans), then things may get dicey. ",
"And I'm sure they've been used to shape and influence a great many people. ",
"> Why are we celebrating this man who raped women?\n\nYou tell me, Trump2052",
"That still has literally nothing to do with anything.",
"Unless it's common knowledge, which this is. Do you need proof the sky is blue, or Nazi Germany lost WW2?",
"Oh hey, I was at that nocturnal festival!\n\nMy buddy was going through the security line, and they kind of twisted his shorts. So after they finished, he grabbed his waistband to adjust his shorts back to normal. A nearby cop stopped him, brought him to the side to question and try to search him again. He had nothing and so he said go ahead, you won't find anything. They did and they found nothing. They were incredibly thorough. \n\nGlad I was the one bringing drugs in that day",
"People don't like you because youre a shit person, not because youre a white male. Get right",
"I think the important thing is that he was special because of what he did, not because of who he was. It wasn't an inherent property, it was the result of his actions.",
"We definitely have a shit legal and criminal justice system in the US, but most other Western countries don’t have the problems with race, discrimination, and poverty that we have here in the US. \n\nThe Netherlands doesn’t has few people in jail because few people commit crimes. ",
"He was against a lot of what might be considered progressive issues. It is important that people know more about MLK other than just his speeches and marches. The MeToo movement would eviserate him if they knew all the shit he had done. ",
"One was protesting systemic racism and the other was protesting systemic racism. \n\nOh look, I just did what you said I could hardly do. ",
"www.blacked.com\n\nYou can click on that one.",
"That's what soured the mood a bit between Stalin & Roosevelt. Stalin felt like Roosevelt was letting him do all the heavy lifting, which he was. ",
"Yeah, they just bombed his house instead. And set busses on fire. And murdered him.",
"Well pretty much every Southern State refused to join the Rebellion unless Slavery was upheld. I believe the actual compromise reached eventually was that Slavery couldn't be talked legally about for X years. But at the same time, they also demanded extra votes for their slaves so that the southern states had disproportionate power. ",
"FeelsBadMan Our country’s belief in capitalism perpetuates the system of imprisonment. Often, prisoners are exploited by private corporations for cheap labor. \n \nHow is this shit even legal???",
"That is the point. To remind people that to do the amazing thing he did required nothing more than the willpower to do so and face adversity with a solid resolve. His feats were as extraordinary as yours would be if you did the same thing you see in him. Someone would be on reddit just like this talking about how extraordinary you are. I would be here typing out that you are just like me and anyone else and we are all capable of making a real difference for the better in this world. ",
"We must be try to be bold to stand up for what we believe is right. Our different perspectives mean that is unique to everyone. It takes courage to speak out when we see something unjust. We are putting ourselves out there for ridicule and retaliation. From the smallest thing like calling out racist comments online to the largest actions like resisting a racist president. Let’s take one step at a time.\n\nBut as the great Dr once said, “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice”.",
"If gun control works and has nothing to do with culture, why do European murder rates not at all reflect the strength of their gun laws?\n\nNot every European country has equal gun laws. Many are vastly more liberal than others. Even in the UK you can get weaponry that would make a Belgian shit their pants. You can get handguns in Germany. You can *conceal carry* your handguns in the Czech Republic. In Switzerland, you can own damn near anything you can own in America - actually, you can own a lot more stuff even easier. That's right, in many respects, Switzerland has more permissive gun laws than America.\n\nSo how come if you plot all these countries on a scale of strength of gun laws, it doesn't also accurately mimic a plot of their murder rates? \n\nEven though only one country was stupid and insane enough to literally steal all of its citizens guns (Australia), funny how every other country achieved similar results without even considering that degree of extremist action.",
"There is a great Boondocks episode kind of about this. In the ep MLK didn't die when he was assassinated but went in to a coma and eventually comes out of it in the year 2000.",
"West Indians",
"thanks for proving my point.",
"When was the last time a Swedish cop was filmed assassinating someone for not playing Simon says fast enough? I'm guessing it's been a while.\n \nHell, when was the last time a Mexican cop was filmed murdering someone in cold blood?",
"And here I am thinking it was more of a people vs. police issue rather than another race battle. ",
"Ah, but you see, Christopher Columbus named the islands he found the West Indies because he believed he circumnavigated, and thus called the people Indians, and over five fucking hundred years later we haven't considered calling Natives something else.",
"Martin Luther King Jr. ",
"You're right, it's silly to argue over facts.",
"Fair enough, but then all we have to do is see which political party the KKK aligns more closely to in today's politics. \n\nHINT: Prob not the group that has the greatest minority support.",
"BLM ain't the grand council of black people. They speak for no one but themselves.",
"Yeah, I can't speak on their personal beliefs, the only thing I can go on that is concrete is were they publicly pro or anti slavery. ",
"You, uh... You don't see their motive? I'm no conspiracy nut and I don't think the gubmint killed him, but it isn't exactly difficult to imagine a scenario where that's possible, [considering the FBI did try to blackmail him into committing suicide.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI%E2%80%93King_suicide_letter) ",
"Case in point.",
"Thank you, every country has it’s issues but it’s how it’s people respond to those issues en masse that defines it as a country.\n\nI couldn’t be prouder of my country when I think of all the hardships it’s gone through and is going through and how we are trying our best to push through it and come out a better nation in the end.",
"Uh huh... and do you have anything to back up these claims? If it’s true that black youths get more often tried as adults, do you think that could be attributed to the fact that they statistically commit overwhelmingly more violent crimes than “whitey” does? I’m asking what injustices they suffer due to written law, not for a propaganda sermon ",
"Haha just noticed the typo, fixed for the fellow GTA players. :)",
"Thomas Jefferson used to rape his slaves. It’s safe to assume that his quotes were only aimed at white, land-owning males. ",
"I'm actually more of a pants guy:)",
"Do they also claim that the civil war was about state's rights and not slavery? Because that's some pretty entertaining contradiction if they do.",
"Have you considered the stated motives of those kneeling? It directly contradicts your belief on the matter.\n\n>After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former N.F.L. player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy.\n\n>It baffles me that our protest is still being misconstrued as disrespectful to the country, flag and military personnel. We chose it because it’s exactly the opposite. It has always been my understanding that the brave men and women who fought and died for our country did so to ensure that we could live in a fair and free society, which includes the right to speak out in protest.\n\n>It should go without saying that I love my country and I’m proud to be an American. \n\n[Source.](https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-kaepernick-football-protests.html?referer=https://www.google.com/)",
"Oh yeah! Remember when there were fuckin KV-1s D-Day and Yak-3s on Yamato's sinking? Wait...",
"I wonder if OP chose this exact picture of him on purpose to create the discord though. There's hundreds of pictures of him but this one has been used a lot recently because of the anthem controversy. ",
"It’s Blue Monday so we’re all a little sad today",
"And, well, in terms of the European theatre, that's spot on. The Germans had been in full retreat more than a year before the Western front was opened.",
"Or that's just how America's built.",
"It does thanks to the left and their pursuit of identity politics ",
"If born today I have no doubt king would march for all rights. His beliefs justified it at the time",
"It makes the point that Jefferson would be proud of Dr. King completely invalid. ",
">Quote rap Lyrics in Facebook as a black man and you go to jail.\n\n\n\n... What? ",
">the injustices in America must not be allowed to define us. The people who, like Dr. King, struggle against those injustices make us who we are as a country.\n\nPeople like Dr. King are famous because they fought against what defines you as a country.",
"[Two buttons meme]\n\nButton 1: Non-violent crimes don't deserve jail time.\n\nButton 2: All the banksters should be locked up!\n\n[Proud Liberal wiping sweat]\n\n",
"> Missouri Joe doesn't last 2 weeks in Pyrenees, & Alpine warfare against hardened German vets, many of whom at that point were veterans of two world wars.\n\nThat's funny because that's exactly what \"Missouri Joe\" did. Russia could not have won without the allies. Without everything leading up to 1945, and then having to push to take all of Europe? Nope. Would not happen.\n\nAmerican steel, Russian blood. SAC is God. The USN and RN were golden. ",
"And now my wage has decreased thanks to California increasing the minimum wage. ",
"He knew he’d be arrested to. He was such a badass, I don’t think we’ll be blessed with another man like him ever again. Even though I hope we will.",
"I don't have to prove how corrupt, ineffective or incompetent. Merely, I have to prove that one cannot say they are \"not corrupt\", \"effective\" or \"competent\", which I have. \n\nI could give a shit if we aren't the top 100 in the world for corruption. if that's what it would take before you recognized a problem, shit for brains, then your metrics are less than worthless in a first world country. \n\nIt's people like you who always want to point a finger at every other country in the world, rather than acknowledge our problems and take strides to solve them, that are going to make sure this country continues to decline int he future. Congratulations on shitting the bed, kid.",
"They aren't. Half of all convictions maybe, but that is not even close to the same thing as half of all crimes. For example, [black people use illegal drugs about as often as white people, but black people are 5.8 times more likely to go to prison for it](http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/jul/13/van-jones/van-jones-claim-drug-use-imprisonment-rates-blacks/).",
"That article is... not well researched.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2000\n\nedit: Even better, the person in the video is [performance artist David Henry Brown Jr](https://news.artnet.com/art-world/donald-trump-david-henry-brown-stalker-739844). Now I've done their research for them, better than them, in five minutes.",
"Neither are the football players...\n",
"I wonder what he would say if he saw how BLM behaves these days.",
"And a rapist. ",
"We are ALL Martin Luther King on this blessed day :)",
"Yeah, that's what he did against a force that was a shell of it self. Do we have to go around in circles like this?",
"You know Google? American History. Factual evidence even in the Link I put in there. Historians. I can keep going. But if anything 2016 and 2017 has taught me...people would rather bury their heads in the sand than face reality. Facts have no place on the Left. Never have. We can post link after link sourcing factual data from neutral sources and it wouldn't matter in the end to Left. \n\nMLK was a conservative. He was a capitalist. His family supports Trump. The racists and bigots are on the left and always have been. I could again source link after link but let's all be brutally honest...you people on reddit do NOT care. You only care about your story of geed feelings in your small bubble. That some how the \"man\" kept you down so you deserve everything because you feel so. Get a job and make your own destiny. Thank god the millennial phase isn't following the next generation. \n\nhttps://www.heritage.org/report/martin-luther-kings-conservative-legacy\n\n",
"Yeah, in that alternate dimension where the left was fighting to keep shit the same (i.e. keep the institution and culture of slavery) and the conservatives were fighting to change everything. ",
"Though we’ve come far, there is still abuse by government officials against the general population. How many innocent people have died at the hands of the police and yet next to nothing is done to the offending police officer? And this isn’t a race issue, it’s a general police brutality issue.",
"Alexander Hamilton as well. Although being opposed to slavery doesn’t mean you aren’t a racist. ",
"I live in East Texas and have all my life. Grew up in a small country town. Never heard of Lee's day. Seems like a boogeyman. ",
"You really didn't need to apologize and 'fix' a comment that had nothing wrong with it.\n\n\nCan't say anything important on Reddit without having to say sorry and editing your comments because everyone finds something to be offended about lol",
">So the Reform Party now includes a Klansman—Mr. Duke, a Neo Nazi—Mr. Buchanan, and a Communist—Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep.\n\nI guess he changed his mind. ",
"If everyone learned a bit about these important figures every year we celebrate them, we'd have a whole lot more educated people understanding why these people are important figures in American History. What makes me upset is people know more about useless celebrities than American heroes like Dr. M.L.K. Jr.",
"There have been centuries of revolutions all over the world. How about the diggers, the levellers, the Toldpuddle martyrs, the French revolution, the Russian revolution, just to name a few off the top of my head?",
"You had no idea about the real MLK huh. ",
"Oh that makes it ok then",
"Yeah, that wasn't absolute. The longest serving Senator of all-time, (and Hillary Clinton's mentor) never changed parties. And he was Klansman. Let me leave you with a quote from Robert Byrd (D): \n\n> The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia and in every state in the nation.",
"I don’t even check to see if I get MLK day off anymore and I don’t recall a single job giving that day off. One did give Christopher Columbus Day off though...",
"I’m a generation 0, Hispanic immigrant, and hearing people like you offends me so incredibly much. You think the fight that MLK fought for is for you to block people from getting home from work? Or making them late to work so they get fired? Oh wait, no you’re advocating for the football player that makes millions but is somehow still being oppressed by the system. You’re ridiculous and completely out of touch with reality. But please please say I’m proving your point, so you can prove mine too. ",
"You want to hold criminals and cops to the same standards now?",
"> Many people of his age\n\nWhat does age have to do with it? MLK was a Baptist minister.\n\nThere are no Baptist churches performing gay marriages then and none now. So unless he denounced his faith I don't see his stance changing at all.\n\n",
"The rioters and anarchists you mentioned don't have much in common with this impressive group of peaceful protestors in their suits and ties and Sunday dresses, joining for a dignified prayer, and working together for positive change.\n\nThe rioters and anarchists are *pretending* action. The people working hard for justice and human rights in our communities and legislatures are *being* action.",
"As a black man... take my fucking upvote!!!!",
"*giddy",
"Kneeling in prayer is a little different than kneeling because you don’t like the president. ",
"Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking. Lots of abolitionists among the founding fathers, but many were still racist.",
"Ahh, thanks for that correction. ",
"Why ban when they can just deny!?",
"On that contrary, you're proving his point. \n\nYou're talking over him, and discounting his observations, even though by your own measures, he is more qualified to speak on the topic. You're the definition of racism that the left projects onto everyone else, idiot.\n\nWhite liberals only pretend to care about minorities to use them, and then completely disregard them when they don't go along with what massa says. ",
"Well, while we can all agree that the left is rather stupid, that is not what I said. Surely you are a better reader than that.",
"But you guys hate christians",
"\"Sacrifices made\" is purely subjective. Plus you're forgetting who helped them invade Poland.",
"That has nothing to do with it...",
"Sorry, but how many people have the oratory brilliance of MLK? You can't say one of the greatest speakers in modern history is \"just a man\". He was flawed, sure, but he was extraordinary. ",
"You've been banned from r/politics for posting things similar to this? I doubt that. ",
"You literally read nothing that I wrote and refuse to refute my histotical facts. Its so sad that communist revisionists are popping up because western media inflated the role of the allies. The allies didn't play the role that they once claimed but the fact remains that the Soviets would have lost horribly even with General Mud and General Winter if not for the allies. ",
"It's not the policy of modern Democrats and the racist policy positions he protested have largely been adopted by the Republican party as a component of the [Southern Strategy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy?wprov=sfla1) ",
"Oh fuck off. Stop projecting your warped views on historical figures. Notice that those that marched and stood by Dr. King, John Lewis, Jessie Jackson clearly disagree. \n\nWe pay into welfare and unemployment funds so it is not an \"entitlement\". He would be disgusted with you. ",
"I think you call those the \"progressives\" because dividing everyone into neat little groups based on superficial things like skin color is a great way to advance the human race and equality.\n\nSeperate but equal, am I right?",
"A truly great man. ",
"Lies.",
"Aggressively shitting on the nation at every opportunity isn't righteous, it's petty, and things have gotten so bad that I cannot tell legitimate opinions from bot-swarms and whatnot. Stoking racial division is an authoritarian tactic, [and we know they're active on Reddit.](https://i.redd.it/3q59bymsm6a01.png)",
"The KKK was founded in 1865 and the southern realignment occurred through the 1950s and 60s. Pretty sure most of the original members of the KKK were dead by that point. On top of that, the person you replied to said \"The southern white demographic that made up the KKK\", stop selectively choosing which parts of their comment you had a problem with.\n\nThat said, it doesn't take a genius to figure out which party the KKK would have supported before and after the southern realignment (hint: after realignment it was the one that based its [entire strategy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy) on pandering to southern white people's resentment of black people and the civil rights movement).\n\n",
"Reading up on it, while he did do a single column in the 50s saying that homosexuality could \"solved,\" his wife was very ardent about being pro-LGBT and says her husband was as well: he treated a gay colleague as one of his closest confidants: and never once, not even in bugged phone calls, disparaged homosexuality in any way.",
"He was...a *reverend.*",
"Name =/= ideology. The DPRK isn’t exactly democratic...",
"Idk he pushed for an economic bill of rights similar to Roosevelt’s “2nd bill of rights” which sought to reduce economic inequality as a whole as well between members of different racial backgrounds. ",
"This truly disgusts me.",
"Dude I'm white. I don't know WTF you're talking about. Never, not once, been discriminated against because I am white. Sure there is anti-white stuff out there. I'm not condoning it. \n\nBut hey look on the bright side, at least its not being spewed at you from the oval office.",
"Would you have been ok with not being accepted or hired because you were black too, which is the majority of their history? Would you be ok being labeled a criminal, just because you're skin color, even if you never conjug6ated a crime? Because that happens more than your little victim complex you believe in. You were totally ok with them not being accepted and hired, but now that there are laws that try to level the playing field, you complain. ",
"Also in regard to your citation request:\nIn the state of California, Misdemeanors can and are frequently used in the three strike law, meaning a past felony conviction in 1970, and two petty theft charges or drug possessions in 2010, 40 years later, could land you in prison for the rest of you life. \nBergman, Paul, and Sara J. Berman-Barrett. The Criminal Law Handbook: Know Your Rights, Survive the System. Berkeley, CA: Nolo, 2011. Print.\n\nSo I was incorrect about it being 3 misdemeanors, but that doesn’t change the fact that a non-violent offender could be in jail for the rest of their life, and that notion doesn’t jive too well with me in the land of the free. ",
"Or a guy who decided to take his internet trolling to the real world.\n\nWait, I'm just saying the same thing, aren't I?",
"Thank you. ",
"MLK hated gays and was a womanizer. ",
"What does it have to do with then? You are going to tell me the fact that the entire leadership of my corporate company is white and we just happen to not take this holiday seriously? Go on... Explain it",
"Kaepernick was kneeling long before Trump was in office. And to quote him - \"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color...\" The original protest was for blacks to get equal treatment by law enforcement as everyone else - it has nothing to do with our current orange buffoon. ",
"MLK himself was likely strongly against homosexuality, but then again in the time and place he grew up you can't really blame him. ",
"Problem with current statistics is that it adjusts for the entire population rather than the jurisdiction population of where those shootings occurred. So if you can't get your proportions right, the statistics are meaningless. ",
"We demand equal treatment. Deal with it. ",
">He was kneeling against ~~Democrats~~ southern conservatives\n>\n\nFTFY\n\nJesus fuck. I can't believe people still use that whole \"democrats are the racists/KKK/slave owners\" argument.\n\nWho is currently flying the flag of the slave owning Democrat CSA? \nWho is currently fighting to keep statues that glorify the leaders of the slave owning Democrat CSA (which were also paid for and erected by the Democrat KKK and their supporters)? \n\nAre democrats doing this? No. It is, and always has been, southern conservatives. The KKK and the democrats of the pre Civil Rights era were never liberal progressives. They have always been conservative groups.",
"Did you get permission from Bernice king to use her father's likeness? Otherwise she will sue. ",
"He was the embodiment of America. ",
"King’s views would have evolved over 60 years with society.",
"Judging by your comment history, you're not particularly tethered to reality either. Maybe you should fuck off back to The_Donald. I'd hate for you to hurt yourself.",
"Criminal Justice and Police reform are legitimate issues disproportionately affecting the black community and if you think MLK would have ignored them then you are gravely mis-informed or you are arguing in bad faith.",
"Really? Is that why they were brought as slaves and never given human rights for hundreds of years? Maybe it's time to start treating white people the same way, because I keep hearing them demand it too .",
"Ever heard of the Burden of Proof? If you make an assertion, you need to back it up with proof.\n\nHow many of the original members of the KKK switched over to the Republican party?",
"> I would have loved to have been hired or accepted to a school that took me solely due to the color of my skin and without regards to my achievements, qualifications, work history, etc.\n\nSo would black people. The world does not work like that skippy. ",
"Ok I’ll rephrase so you understand, kneeling in prayer is a little different than kneeling as a sign of disrespect for America. Comparing mlk to Colin kapernic cannot and should not be done. ",
">\"Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic.\"\n\nWhat's that about how he would be appalled? Please don't be one of those that only romanticise his I have a dream speech but forget he was about progression and reparations. ",
"Adam and Steve",
"“When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered.” - Dr. King, Riverside Church, 1967 https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/MLKapr67.html",
"It's especially interesting that Dr. King thought of his own methods as \"direct action\", when by todays standards he specialized in quiet and dignified civil protest. ",
"Tons of people were wrongfully arrested at Trump's inauguration, off the top of my head. ",
"This is the perfect response. The disrespect and arrogance to make that assumption deserves a swift kick ",
"http://www.nber.org/papers/w9873.pdf",
"You mean like \"blood and soil\" and \"jews will not replace us\"?",
"> I mean, if he was educated with all the science and progress we've made, maybe he would be.\n\nI hate to break it to you, but we have people *today* who have access to all the education, science and progress we've made and are still ignorant. Feels before reals, all the way down.\n\nIt would all come down to which is stronger in his mind, his acceptance of scientific fact or his pride. There are plenty of intelligent people around today who will spit into the wind because their own pride and ego are more important than truth when the two come in conflict.",
"http://i.imgur.com/exl28vD.gif",
"To be fair, Mexican cops doesn't kill people directly, they hand them over to the cartels.",
"Sorting by best is some type of algorithm that balances ratio of upvotes, number of upvotes, time of post, etc. Sort by top if you just want to see it based entirely on pure score.",
"The names are the same but their supporters switched during the 1960s. Look at the map of the 1960 election and the 1964 election - this is when the Democrats lost the white south and switched to the liberal party. ",
"It’s those early explorers fault. They left Europe to go west towards India and they thought this (America) was India. Plus, Native American takes forever to say. ",
"I don't doubt it, I guarantee it's a lie. ",
"wow Mr. luden king he was truly a inspriation",
">say something idiotic\n\n>delete comment and try to change the argument\n\nYou're really taking that old Gaslight Obstruct Project strategy to heart huh. ",
">I can't imagine someone honestly thinking that without being pathetically fragile.\n\nThat's my point. The only group that gets called pathetically fragile for bringing up racism. ",
"> There are no Baptist churches performing gay marriages then and none now.\n\nCitation needed. \n\nEdit: Never mind I looked it up and what you said is a lie, you're full of shit so I won't respond to you anymore.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Baptist_churches\n\n> Other more liberal or moderate denominations allow local and autonomous congregations to determine their own regional policies. Thus, denominations are generally divided on the issue and reflect a diversity of opinions.",
"See this week’s New Yorker cover illustration. ",
"It's really just become common nomenclature, I doubt anyone casually using the term \"Indians\" has any awareness that it means *from India* rather than Native. It's outdated, but I think the meaning has mutated.",
"How is this related to what I said?\n\nThose are violent revolutions that overthrew the previous government. \n\nThe US has managed to have peaceful revolutions. Events that changed fundamental aspects of the country without destroying it.",
"Fuck trump",
">thanks for proving my point.\n\nYes massa.\n\nSorry massa you was right, my opinion is wrong.\n\nThanks for showing me the way again, sir. ",
">I love how you're now screaming about things I never even said, or even implied. It's not like you can't go through my post history and find me complaining about cops or anything.\n\nI already quoted you. Verbatim. But sure, i'll do it again. \n\n>America has a first-world police force (ie: not corrupt, well-funded, effective, competent*) \n\nOoh. What's that? An asterisk? did you decide to backtrack because your inbox was getting blown out? Lol. \n\n>You're just incoherently screaming about arguments nobody is even having now.\n\nIs that what you imagine when people type regular sentences to you? I'd imagine this would hamper your reading and education. That would explain a lot. \n\n>Go back to /r/politics kid.\n\nYou say in r/pics unironically? I think you really think you're putting together persuasive, evidence-based arguments. It's the only way to explain how upset you seem to be getting throughout this thread as people who are as informed as you, and more informed than you, read your tripe and say \"Hey, wait a minute. That's 100% pure, unfiltered, columbian black-tar bullshit.\"",
"Yeah...he would have made for a terrible president. No one should lead a nation if they believe in half of the stuff that wasn't \"blacks and whites are equal\", and \"everyone should be treated the same and have the same opportunity\".\n\nThat's not saying anything specific to him as a person that did make positive changes. A lot of people that made positive changes in this world would have made for terrible US presidents...Ghandi, Einstein, Al Gore, Malcom X, Paul Newman, etc.",
"Misconstrued. Not construed. \n\nI always think of kneeling as a respectful gesture, and I'm trying to think of just one scenario where kneeling would be seen as disrespectful and I can't. \n\nIt's only being called disrespectful to try and distract people from the reason why they were kneeling. Police brutality. Something that is still far too prevalent in the USA. \n\nIt seems to me that in the US, a cop's main defense is his gun, whether the suspect has a weapon or not. Here in the UK, it's hand to hand, disarmament. If the need arises, the baton, or a taser. Most British police don't even carry guns. (Northern Irish police do, but that's due to our history of domestic terrorism). \n\nKneeling is respectful. They are kneeling because they respect their country and their flag, and it is their duty as an American citizens to highlight and correct injustice. ",
"I thought I was going crazy for a second so I had to google it. Portugal is definitely in Europe, right next to Spain. ",
"Lol, naw. Take time and read MLKs work. Toward the time he died, he was writing about his regrets in his work, noting that peaceful protest was being increasingly ineffective and that violence was necessary and saw the most results. \n\nIt's why most civil rights leaders disagreed with Kings approach, and some like Malcolm x outright opposed king for encouraging unarmed black people to be exposed to armed white supremacist. ",
"You really weren't kidding. That was 5 minutes I'll never get back. ",
"Ironic",
"I suggest you take a cursory look at his history to see him constantly complaining about Jews, Blacks, and Asians.\n\nHe absolutely has some lessons from MLK to still learn.",
"Those don’t count.",
"Do you think MLK led marches and made speeches in order to *avoid* attention? Of course you need to get attention in order to achieve your purpose.",
"I live in the Netherlands, shouldn't some of that shit and sharia have made it up our pipelines?",
"Go back to all the complaining about blacks and jews you spend so much time doing.\n\nBetter yet though would be to actually review his writings and learn something.",
"That's why I said \"black people\" instead of \"MLK\" or \"Kaepnernick\". The only thing that's the same is their physical stance and the reaction by the conservatives in the country. ",
"Can't remember that resonating well with black voters",
"\"Land of the free\" ..and the ignorant.",
"Just viewed his comment history. This individual is a walking cancer.",
"I never said it was certain, but an educated scholar and philosopher is probably your best bet.",
"Thank you for your sacrifice and love for thy brother Dr. King. May your message of kindness, love, and compassion decimate these hateful systems that hold us captive. May we one day find the soul necessary to heal our wounds. ",
"And hates all the people he comes into contact with.",
"Sure, people can be racist to white people. But when they're the majority and clearly live a very much better life than their minority counterparts, it's just not the same thing. It's like royalty in medieval times whining about the peasants hating them. ",
"Yeah, thankfully Republicans don't get caught up with antagonizing people based on being Mexicans or Muslims or any identity politics like that /s\n\nRepublicans are way worse for identity politics than Dems are. It's just different identities - defending Christian supremacy, attacking immigrants and Muslims and minorities. ",
"This is what peaceful protesting looks like. It isn't wearing a mask, flipping cars over, and torching businesses. Real change comes when you convince mainstream (white) America that your cause is just. Handling things the ways kids today are just makes it more divided.",
"They were conquered and the conquerors call them whatever they want",
"MLK spoke one of the most profound statements of all time \"Judge not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.\"\n\nThe tendency of the mentally lazy to use the words \"them\" and \"they\" when one does wrong leads to blanket statements covering a whole group of people that are both unfair and incorrect. ",
"Let me leave you with another quote from Robert Byrd:\n\n>I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times … and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened.\n\nThe fact is that Robert Byrd renounced his former views and became an advocate for civil rights later in his life. He has been praised by the NAACP for his work.\n",
"This is an uneducated remark as it shows us your inability to grasp the dimension of his comment. Thank you for being a simpleton.",
"I didn't know MLK Jr. was a Tebow fan.",
"People just like to neuter and whitewash (not racial but paint over his viewpoints to make them more palatable) revolutionaries.\n\nMLK did impressive things no doubt. He was able to use peaceful means because those in power knew it would become violent (not MLK but the Civil rights movement as a whole) if they didn't listen. \n\nThose in power never give up anything unless they have no choice.",
"Are you having a laugh? Literally any european country lets you do that",
"How have they behaved recently?",
"Columbus thought he was in India. Have no idea how that has led to natives still being called Indian today. ",
"Not sure if this is what they’re referring to but I’ve definitely heard of people's lyrics in songs being used as evidence in a court of law. ",
"Probably something like this\n\nhttp://www.legacy.com/news/explore-history/article/mlk-our-god-is-marching-on-how-long-not-long",
"The NSDP was staunchly socialist in the actual (not co-opted) sense of the world. What was co-opted was the entire country's infrastructure for the single purpose of world domination. While the Nazi war machine needed feeding, private control of capital was all but impossible. Factories and facilities were all subject to state control in order to provide resources for the government and military, under threat of death for those who resisted this control. This article does a great job of explaining it https://mises.org/library/why-nazism-was-socialism-and-why-socialism-totalitarian",
"So if you got it good you are not allowed to fight for those who don't. \n\nGot it. MLK would call you out for being a shit human being. Do better please. ",
"I'm not doing it for you, trust me.\n\nI don't care what black people call themselves, and whatever you self-identify with is cool too. I just think it's stupid when someone is talking about \"Americanness\" to say \"Indians\", referring to the ones that have literally no connection to India at allllll. My suggestion was lower-case \"n\" natives. AKA the people who were here before Murica.\n\nI'm not a hippie ass white person, but thanks for playing anyway.",
"This assumes the idea of black people as fungible raw material was a rational one. It wasn't. A white supremacist outlook wasn't a necessary stepping stone for humanity, it was necessary to act out chattel slavery and settler colonialism. ",
"You want to see it? Look at the Presidential election map of 1960, then look at the election map from 1964. What do you see? That is political realignment. ",
"so did mad folks in the Bible. \n\nGod isn't against sex. ",
"Specifically they're protesting the lack of accountability for police mistreatment of black people (and other people). Thanks to BLM, the DoJ investigated police departments in places like Ferguson, Baltimore and Chicago and released reports on systemic police misconduct and racism that they found, which I'm sure you can google. ",
"He was kneeling against racism. ",
"god, people like this actually exist lol",
"He would’ve made a great president and help shape America.",
"Racism still alive they just be concealing it.",
"I hope you have a better year and the misery you are facing that is pushing you to act in this disgusting way subsides. Good luck brother, you have received a lot of living and learning to do.",
"This entire comment section is just god awful already. ",
"Back when kneeling actually meant something and blacks were actually prescuted. MLK you are truly a American hero !. ",
"I just read \"Letter from Birmingham Jail\" and it kind of reminds me of that, too.\n\n\"One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.\"",
"Disrespecting people's free speech in favor of equality is disrespecting America. That's you, not protesters. ",
"They call themselves Holland sometimes though and mean the whole country. They chant \"hup Holland hup\" during international soccer matches.",
"Spoken like somebody with truly zero concept of historical context.",
"What changed? Trump. On both sides. People on either side will take anything and everything to bash or praise him, thus making the comment section on every post a total shit hole. Such a shame. I really miss pre-election reddit. Like pre 2015. Good times\n\nEDIT: Considering how many downvotes I got, Im pretty sure I angered people on both sides. Good.",
"Pretty sure Byrd left the Klan very early in his life. Also let’s not act like one senator who served decades ago is representative of an entire party. You didn’t refute their argument at all. This is classic whataboutism.",
">apart from Mises and his readers, practically no one thinks of Nazi Germany as a socialist state\n\nLiterally from your link, nobody but this (totally not biased at all you guys!) thinktank agrees with you.",
"MLK used similar tactics and his opponents at the time used the same dismissive arguments used today.\n\n\"They're disrupting normal peoples lives!\" ",
"Sioux me.",
"Difference being that he didn't start a massive war by insisting upon having the \"states right\" to enslave, torture, and murder gays on an industrial scale.\n\nBut yeah, other than that, he was exactly the same as Jefferson Davis. ",
"Yes thank you ",
"Yeah, to protest discrimination, not like they do now, which is only to protest discrimination. ",
"It's not surprising. They also want slavery out of text books. ",
"A true patriot. RIP Dr. King.\n\nEDIT: Lmfao, I got downvoted?! Fuck you. Dr. King was an American hero",
"Oh, I see... So leftists who decry institutional racism of the past never give a pass to anyone involved...except Robert Byrd. Got it. Thanks for clarifying.",
"This is a cultural endemic that's been going on well before Trump, though I'm sure he hasn't helped matters.\n\nArkansas has had a [famously rough](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine) history with race relations. Harrison, Arkansas is widely considered the most racist town in America. Seriously, just browse the [Google Image results](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrKFXlsUkAAcuKs.jpg) for Harrison, it's sickening.\n\nThe black demographic in AR is localized to a handful of cities, the rest of the state is almost completely white and largely made up of uneducated working-class white people.\n\n[Take a look at this](https://i.imgur.com/hSILhDb.png). The house on the left is owned by a black family out in a tiny white town in AR. The story I've heard is that a lot of the land there is owned by one guy and he didn't like the fact that a black family bought a house on his land so he left those 2 rotten hunks of cars over there on the right to be an eyesore as his own little protest. And honestly, I believe the story because that's how comically obvious racism is in Arkansas. There really is no subtlety to it.",
"Justice always leads to more justice, even if the first of the Justiciars don't intend it.",
"Not a Dr anymore",
"Georgian here, never heard of it either. ",
"A little known alternative-fact: This photo was taken during a performance of the national anthem. ",
"No, the “you're implying that we can only celebrate black activists on their designated holiday, or during their designated month?” is very similar to what he says in the beginning of [this](https://youtu.be/z2d2SzRZvsQ).",
"Lmao what. The argument wasn’t \"founders of the KKK switched to the Republican Party.\" It was \"The Democrat Party has evolved into something different since its days of the Klan.\"",
"No I want people to be not so stupid. The problems within the black community are caused by democrats.",
"Anymore.",
"Thomas Jefferson did not consider blacks to be subhuman. He owned slaves, yes, yet he simultaneously fought against the expansion of slavery into Virginia and tried very hard to stymie its growth within the nation. He considered slavery to be the \"hideous blot\" of American history.\n\nThe man also fathered children with one of his slaves, and if I recall correctly actually cared for them thoroughly. This is not to be apologetic towards his ultimate moral failing of practicing the very institution he fought to abolish, but I don't think it's fair for us to characterize him as an unabashed irrational racist.",
"You seem confused. BLM is not kneeling, NFL players are. Different black people. That idea may baffle you, but yeah, different black people are different. ",
"[beginning ](https://youtu.be/z2d2SzRZvsQ) ",
"Well you're free to leave.",
"> to celebrate the people who fought, and still fight, for justice and equality.\n\nIt’s pretty incredible that we still persecute and marginalize groups of people in this country. Muslims, Sikhs who look like Muslims, LGBTQ, trans especially now that hating gay people is falling out of fashion, etc. We can’t hate on Native Americans, black people, Jews, or any non white protestant land owning males anymore, so we just target the next group. I just don’t understand how people can not realize they will eventually be on the wrong side of history when the next minority of the day finally wins the respect they deserve. ",
"Isn’t the point of kneeling and protesting to gain attention? I wouldn’t consider parading throughout my house, with a “I love the gays” sign, protesting since I am gaining zero attention from anyone other then my confused dog. ",
"Haha you're not going to get banned... I've seen that on the front page many times. Hell my high school history teacher taught us about it. It's pretty well known and not as controversial as you think.",
"The violence of the \"Bloody Sunday\" and of Reeb's death led to a national outcry and some acts of civil disobedience, targeting both the Alabama and federal governments. The protesters demanded protection for the Selma marchers and a new federal voting rights law to enable African Americans to register and vote without harassment. President Lyndon Johnson, whose administration had been working on a voting rights law, held a historic, nationally televised joint session of Congress on March 15 to ask for the bill's introduction and passage.\n\nWith Governor Wallace refusing to protect the marchers, President Johnson committed to do so. The third march started March 21. Protected by 1,900 members of the Alabama National Guard under federal command, and many FBI agents and Federal Marshals, the marchers averaged 10 miles (16 km) a day along U.S. Route 80, known in Alabama as the \"Jefferson Davis Highway\". The marchers arrived in Montgomery on March 24 and at the Alabama State Capitol on March 25.[11] With thousands having joined the campaign, 25,000 people entered the capital city that day in support of voting rights.\n\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selma_to_Montgomery_marches",
"When you have a for profit privately run prison system, you end up with a lot more prisoners. When societies goal is to fill a prison instead of rehabilitate an offender into a functioning and contributing part of the community, you get what we have here in America.",
"I've found a value to convert:\n\n- 10.0mi are equal to 16.09km or 84461.94 bananas",
"I got the point. You’re okay with today’s systemic racism but only after the work is done are you comfortable applauding desegregating lunch counters. ",
"Probably not taught in kindergarten. For me, it was AP US History. Understandable to not know if you haven’t reached high school yet, like one might assume is the case here.",
"Im 100% sure this picture was chosen to bait racists and idiots. \n",
"As much as I love this, careful or else they just retort with the last bit of the episode with MLK railing against n*****s since that's where most of their understanding of him comes from.",
"I know they lie a lot, but they're only called the FIB by GTA. ",
"He was a Klansman into his 30s. Is that \"very early in his life\"?\n\n\"Whataboutism\"...you silly kids trot that tired word out so much that it's lost its meaning.",
"I can't find the article at the moment but a couple years back I took an Enlightenment American history course, and we read an article by John Adams where he explains how all of that \"negros having different brains\" type studies going on at the time was bullshit. He was anti-racist and hated bad science. ",
"Queue dipshits comparing kneeling in prayer to Colin. ",
"Lol pretty much, though they prefer the term tackling.",
"Yes? You've never seen a black player absolute decimate a white player?\n\nStraight up racism. No doubt about it.\n\n/s for the retards amongst us",
"\"Changing the subject?\" I literally quoted somethign from my first post. \n\nAnd I never deleted any comments, so nice try.",
"Lincoln might be in the running for that, along with Washington. ",
"I tried that, and lost more braincells than I anticipated. ",
"TIL Asking for proof of an unsupported claim with radical implications proves one a racist.",
"1. He was a priest in the 1960s. Shitty but not surprising.\n\n2. His sex life is his business.",
"Thanks for proving my point. ",
"Didn't turn out to well for him though",
"“What is MLK protesting against? They should be happy, they used to be slaves.”\n\n-TheSourTruth during the civil rights era",
"Andorra?",
"He also raped his slaves regularly. Not sure he's the best guy to quote (incorrectly) about black civil rights.",
"The democrats were fighting to keep slavery and the Republican Party was formed to prevent the spread of slavery when the us were expanding west. This doesn’t really mean anything though, because those were the parties of centuries ago, not the parties today.",
"All of the Black community is concerned with entitlement? How did you become such an expert on Black people?",
"Go back to your t_d safe space for racism and lazy thought",
"Watch the boondocks episode",
"There was definitely motive. That letter they sent to him showed they definitely wanted him gone. They literally threatened him and tried to blackmail him into committing suicide. I don’t know enough to say if it was actually them who sent the gunman tho.",
"They're doing it to protest. Nobody is \"just doing it for attention\" unless you also think the whole civil rights movement was just for attention. ",
"In their minds Trump is the absolute good and all good things must be associated with them. They know they can't actually get away with disliking MLK as much as they want to, so therefore MLK must like trump and be on their side.",
"Naw, chattel slavery proved to black people that white people don't need a reason to enact gratuitous violence. Jim crow proved that. \n\nBlack people's response to white violence didn't cause the violence that happened today. \n\nGroups like the black panthers did help until that got sabatoged too",
"Protesting injustice done right. ",
"You never had one. ",
"Rational people 3000 years ago still assumed gods were responsible for lightning and floods. Rationality doesn't mean your ideas are correct. If all the black people you know are uneducated and have never been educated by western standards, it might be natural to assume your race is more intelligent for building great works and inventing machines and powerful weapons.\n\nSome people today still attribute the differences in racial crime/income/education to genetic intelligence, almost the same line of thinking, but Jefferson didn't live in a time where we know through science that the idea is wrong, or through example as black people gained education and freedom.\n\nRational ideas aren't ideas that agree with your sensibilities, you can use logic and rationalize anything depending on your goal.",
"♥️💜💕 ",
"Right, the person deleted their comment and clearly had no idea what political realignment was/is. The whole \"Republicans were the party that freed the slaves so they're the socially progressive party today\" line never ceases to amaze. ",
"They are supported. ",
"\"FIB? Do I look homosexual? Do you think I care about the size of your Johnson?\"",
"Happy Birthday dude!",
"And our revolutionary war wasn’t violent and didn’t overthrow the loyalist governors in the colonies? It’s completely related to what you said.\n\nThe reasons for our revolution and others throughout history might be different but they all basically happened the same way. ",
"Hey smart guy, look at my post history and tell me one time I posted on that sub. If you can’t, best to not respond with such a weak and lazy comment. Don’t ever accuse someone you don’t know of that. Shows a lot about you. ",
"Those letters are incredible, really similar to some stuff you say currently",
"Thank youuu!! :)",
"Death from deadly diseases isn't as bad as it was back then. Why not just close every hospital and layoff every doctor? ",
"Like most victimy shit it is",
"> The problems within the black community are caused by democrats.\n\nYes, you seem like a well rounded person:\n\n> That’s their ignorance. I know how the majority of blacks view white people. Why would you want to fuel their hatred and give them even more things to be outraged at? Even though Dr. King was an adulterer it doesn’t make his message any less true. This is what the dems want. People hating each other and divided.",
"[1](http://i.imgur.com/9SLGHbo.jpg), [2](https://redd.it/qribm), [3](https://redd.it/11wh7j)\n\n[Domain Bans](https://redd.it/1pey4m)",
"There were dozens of protesters arrested at Trump’s inauguration and faces DECADES in jail so do some fucking reading before you said this kind of shit doesn’t happen anymore. ",
"It's probably some made up nonsense, classic redditor acting liek its some wide spread issue",
"He left the klan in his 30s. That’s like maybe a decade into a 50+ year service in the senate. Also he lived into his 90s. \n\nAnd what you said is the definition of whataboutism. Someone brought up Southern strategy and your only response was \"what about one senator and Hillary Clinton.\" \n\nAnd you can try to make your point without being a condescending prick.",
"So what's the consensus on MLK in Japan? I mean I know it's a strictly American thing but I'm just curious.",
"At every time during history (after slavery) when people of color spoke out about discrimination, >60% of white people thought that black people had the same rights. During the Jim Crow era, MLK, crack in inner cities in the eighties—every time without fail white people didn’t see a problem. \n\nYes, there’s a chance that the critics of the NFL players are right. Historically, there’s a much larger chance that they’re wrong. ",
"It's really crazy how you can just clean up the slurs, drop it into any discussion about BLM and Kaepernick and it wouldn't seem out of place at all.",
"That is still comparing them. Their stances and what they fought for are very different. Mind you the “conservatives” that reacted so horribly to mlk were not republicans or democrats, they were racists monsters. The people that reacted negatively to kapernik are not racists(by percent) The majority are just people with a love for America. ",
"I also like to imagine things to be angry about.",
"context seems pretty important. Morgan Freeman is saying that it's ridiculous to confine black history to one month, and the person I was replying to was implying that we shouldnt talk about Dr. King outside of February. He added an '/s' now, so i guess it was sarcastic, but the implication was the same.\n\nAlso, in the video that you linked, Morgan Freeman doesn't say \"It's not February yet\" which is the quote you attributed to him. So I don't understand the point you're trying to make.",
"People have been racist for the entirety of human existence, yet so many people say racism isn’t an issue anymore. The arrogance to believe we’re beyond racism is astonishing.",
"But the NFL can't do this right? /s b4 i get slaughtered.\n\nBut also legit question. These are free citizens on their own time, paid athletes are...?",
"https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek.com/andorra-secretive-conduit-international-money-laundering-313722%3famp=1\n\nhttps://all-andorra.com/ceo-of-banca-privada-d-andorra-joan-pau-mique-is-detained-on-friday-evening/",
"I do. You just cannot see it;) Too busy name calling, bud.",
"I would imagine if we'd had accurate polling in 1855 white people would have thought the same about slavery. ",
"Thomas Jefferson also owned hundreds of slaves. ",
"The fact that you've ignored every bit of evidence of it you've seen of it says a lot about you. ",
"That’s would’ve sounded about right about 40 years ago. Injustice is still an issue in this great nation of OURS(including gays, blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, and every other color, creed, and belief under the sun). Injustice still happens but unlike then then large majority cry out at how terrible events are. MLK was an extremely brave man because stood for minority’s rights when that wasn’t the majority opinion. ",
"How are they damaging their teams image by protesting discrimination? \n\nAre their teams in favor of discrimination? ",
"Profoundly nasty...\n\nEdit: going around other countries laws is not nastier than not recognising the international courts.",
"Since when did freedom and liberty equate to prison populations? How about the freedom to say or think anything we please? \n\nIt's almost as if the entire concept of 'the free'ist' is entirely subjective and overall impossible to actually determine.",
"Yeah I wrote that a couple days ago arguing with someone about not being a racist. What’s your point? Why are you searching through my comment history? Do you think this means you win? The problems in the black community are caused by democrats.",
"What the fuck does this even mean.",
"Name one bad reason",
"And if you were living in the 60s, I'm sure you would be saying the same thing about MLK and his protests...",
"its seems to be thankful ",
"You have seem to have some cemented ideas on what a criminal is or isn't, so I won't even go down that path with you.\n\nAnother question to ask is, do you think prison's should be run privately by for profit companies? More importantly, do you think it's ethically moral to run a prison with any incentive other than **1)** rehabilitation of prisoners to be productive members of the general population again and **2)** protection of general population.\n\nCan there truly be justice if there's a financial incentive to fill empty cells?",
"Anyone else see the Jawa?",
"Yes, and they're so diverse as well",
"Was...Are.... Two different words for a reason.",
"See, I can provide the statistics from the past that proved systemic racism in MLK Jr's time. I don't think you can provide statistics from the present that prove systemic racism exists currently en masse.\n\nAnyways, if you actually read Kaep's quotes you'd know that he's opposing capitalism more than anything else. He hails fallen communist dictators as heroes.",
"A good example is Bobby Shmurda, I'm almost positive some of his lyrics lead to his conviction",
"You mean the same people who burned his home? Sprayed them with waterhoses? Beat them with billy clubs? How about the men who bombed a Sunday school, killing 4 black children. Because they had a tangential connection to King. Or maybe the members of the CIA who tried to threaten and blackmail him into killing himself? Maybe the man who literally fucking shot him?",
"Honestly, he is not seen as that big of a figure in Japan. But you learn about him in history class eg his actions and the speech. I lived in US for a couple of years, and I can say that he is very inspiring",
"I guess it's no one's fault.",
"I didn't deny the Southern Strategy. I just said it wasn't absolute. And then you chimed in with the \"very early in his life\" bullshit, as if it was some misguided collegiate flight of fancy of his.\n\nSorry if you think I'm condescending for pointing out a fact. Really nice, though, that your ilk gives Robert Byrd a pass for his misdeeds, and nobody else. Must be that \"D\" next to his name.",
"Black people make up a like, what, 11 percent of he population? Now what percent of people killed by cops are black? Or what percent of people in prison are black? Both a lot higher than 11 percent. ",
"Yeah I’m surprised that comment got so many upvotes. He did plenty of great things but civil rights certainly weren’t on the list. ",
"Can you provide any statistics that prove there is systemic racism en masse in our country? I can't seem to find them.",
"Like affirmative action, racial set-asides, black only spaces in colleges, financial support for black-only activities while demanding access to every other activity. Sure that sounds very much like equal treatment.",
"I hope not. Don't let them bring it in when they try.",
"> What’s your point?\n\nMy point is that comment is absolutely racist. You literally state that you know how 'majority of blacks view whites' and that the person is 'fueling their hatred.' You're implying that a majority of blacks have hatred towards white people. That's a very racist comment, and I hope you actually get to know some black people before you state things like they have hatred towards all white people.\n\n> Why are you searching through my comment history? \n\nBecause I knew you were an ignorant T_D posters based on your very brief comment.\n\n> Do you think this means you win\n\nNo, this just means that you lose at life.\n\n> The problems in the black community are caused by democrats.\n\nIt doesn't matter how many times you say the earth is flat, it doesn't make it true.\n\n\n",
"Getting down votes for intentionally misunderstanding why NFL protestors kneel is a damn good use of down votes. ",
"“In a news release sent to Channel 2 Action News on Tuesday, police said they obtained a warrant and found two stolen guns, marijuana individually packaged and several smoking devices throughout most of the first-floor rooms. Individually packaged suspected cocaine and cocaine-related paraphernalia were also located upon initial contact with multiple subjects, the release said” \n\n[70 arrested at birthday party. ](https://www.google.com/amp/amp.wsbtv.com/news/local/ten-of-the-at-least-70-people-arrested-during-21st-birthday-party/674439253) \n\nso when police arrived on a call for shots fired, they made contact with people at the house searched them found cocaine packaged for sale on them, then entered the home and found a lot more than just an ounce of pot. ",
"No, you don't. Please tell me about how hard your life is. LMAO.",
"I guess we should ignore the laws we don't happen to agree with.",
"No... He very much would have been disgusted by the current black social activism.",
"I have no idea what this is attempting to show. I see a series of individuals complaining about bans. Congrats? I don't doubt that people get banned from /r/politics in general, I'm doubting that you specifically got banned for posting about MLK being persecuted by the FBI. That's not a controversial or unique thing to say; I'm sure there are dozens of comments saying the same thing on /r/politics right this second. Just looking at the top MLK thread right now, [here's one](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7qj1pc/if_martin_luther_king_jr_were_alive_today/dspjst1/), [here's another](https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/7qj1pc/if_martin_luther_king_jr_were_alive_today/dspmr9n/). So, you're full of shit. ",
"> No I want people to be not so stupid.\n\n> The problems within the black community are caused by democrats.\n\nSwing and a miss with point one straight away. How embarrassing for you.",
"Sorry if that didn’t answer your question :P",
"[Wow, you really settled in quick since you apparently lived in America less than a fortnight ago!](http://imgur.com/K6edMHm) ",
"I swear, racists always say this fucking stat and it drives me nuts. It is not true at all, but yall continue to vomit this bullshit out. ",
"That was literally the basis of the civil right's movement. If you find the laws to be unjust you should peaceably resist them.\n\nOr did you think MLK wasn't breaking any laws?",
"Jefferson was long dead when the slave trade was ended in the 1860s. He stopped the import of new African slaves.",
"this begins and ends with parents and how they indoctrinate their children.\n\na big aspect thats missing from these conversations of racial issues is that the ability to exclude feels good. it isnt as simple as intellectualizing our commitment to this. we must become it. and as you take that journey, you'll find it has less and less to do with the blatant racists, and more to do with our everyday complicity.\n\nforward together, not one step back",
"> not like then\n\n\\- people who didn't understand why segregation was bad in the 1960s.",
"> Another question to ask is, do you think prison's should be run privately by for profit companies? \n\nNo. \n\n>More importantly, do you think it's ethically moral to run a prison with any incentive other than 1) rehabilitation of prisoners to be productive members of the general population again and 2) protection of general population.\n\nYes. Putting them to work is a good thing... and *most prisoners agree.* The deadliest prison riot in US history was caused by shutting down work programs.\n\nMaybe you want to talk about private companies using prisons as labor sources, but prisoners being offered work programs doing anything from landscaping for the city to stamping license plates or making clothes for the military isn't the problem. \n\nNow answer my question: do you think the tiny minority of for-profit prisons is actually having any impact at all on *nationwide* crime issues, going back decades before for-profit prisons were even a thing?",
">This account is probably going to get banned from /r/pics\n\n[whoah](https://imgur.com/ekkz4GE)",
"Big Shoe.",
"Please stop ",
"Dumbasses always say that when they’re proven wrong by actual facts.",
"No, I think you’re being condescending for calling anyone who doesn’t agree with you a kid. And I’m not giving him a pass for his misdeeds. I’m saying his past misdeeds didn’t represent who he was in the future. He himself would be the first to say that what he did was wrong.",
"LMAO...yeah and George Washington would have thought trump is a traitorous asshole. ",
"ok\n\nam mod",
"Civil rights and narcotics are two completely animals.",
"Considering he was fighting for equal treatment of his people, its comical he saw another segment of the population as lesser people",
"Don't think an opinion article in the drivel 'compost' paper which poses no real arguments about MLK being conservative besides him being a Republican, and his now Black Establishment conservative family which lives off his legacy and a slight mention of his non violence stance which was pretty rational and apt for its time and the situation in the country at that time. His \"conservatism\" didn't save him from FBI surveillance, being called 'a commie' and indeed harboring socialist views as well as exposing the real nature of the US Govt as \"the greatest purveyor of violence in the world\" which finally got him assassinated, most likely in a plot engineered by FBI operatives and approved by Hoover himself as it happened with almost all of the members of the Black Civil Rights movement at the time, no matter what political stance they had. It's more that this opinion article is trying to twist history and meet agenda than anything else.",
"True. ",
"They did it to bring awareness to police brutality. Seems like that's a priority over a song. ",
"> The people that reacted negatively to kapernik are not racists(by percent) \n\nI guess we'd just have to agree to disagree on this one - I find most of the anti-Kaep sentiment is racially based, at least in part. ",
"Yeah and then *Obummer* brought back racism again which hasn't been real since the 1960s because he had the audacity to be president while also being black.",
"Moving the goalposts.",
"I assume you’re talking about Colin, which I admit I’m confused about. I’m confused how he could have gone so far and done so well with the supposed discrimination and oppression he, and other black people, face daily. It also confuses me as to why there are so many successful black athletes if there’s so much discrimination. Or black actors, or black doctors, or black politicians, or black lawyers. It would seem to me that either this racist system is completely made up, or the most useless secret system. \n\nAlso it’s worth noting that his decision to not stand for the anthem is incredibly ironic, being that during the march on Selma MLK made sure that they were carrying the American flag because of their love for their country. Also when they reached the statehouse in Montgomery, Alabama, they sang the Star Spangled Banner.\n\n“When the marchers reached the white-colored State House, they noticed that its dome flew the Alabama and Confederate flags, while off to the side the American flag fluttered slightly in the breeze. Someone began singing the “Star-Spangled Banner,” and everyone joined in, then added “The Battle Hymn of the Republic.”\n\nSo it seems that MLK would disagree with Colin’s decision to kneel for the anthem. Which just shows how out of touch his protests are with reality.",
"Seriously, this is incredibly important. He was incredibly involved in helping workers and the labor movement, trying to change the economic structure of our country. That's a large part of why he was so hated as well. [This article](https://jacobinmag.com/2017/01/restoring-king-2/) from last year explains a bit about how insanely whitewashed he's become.",
"i think our discussions on these topics need to evolve, and include an understanding that there are people that make base assertions like this to deflect from dealing with it. that there are times that ignorance is deflection, there are times when ignorance isnt innocent.\n\ni often wonder how hard it is for one to make a deliberate attempt to see equality while having racist family members\n",
"He was also hot. \n \nJust sayin'.",
"It means the 50s were fucking racist as shit how hard is that to understand?",
"No that was a fine answer. I've lived in the US most of my life but also in Israel for nine years and have visited lotsa countries... So I def. understand first hand how some big deals in Country A are just a blip in Country B. Was just curious I guess. I've never been to Japan, it's the only place I want to go to that I haven't :(\n\nHopefully in the next two years! Seems really intense, like Downtown Los Angeles or something. Just, very busy. Maybe that's just Tokyo though, I dunno haha",
"Yes affirmative action is EXACTLY why you did not get into Harvard. There are no racial set-asides and there sure as shit no black only spaces in colleges. There is financial support for white-only activities while white people cry about not getting their fair share. \n\nSounds like you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Just making shit up. ",
"Why would you be banned for posting something that anyone can find with a quick internet search? Am I missing something?",
" Maybe my favorite Republican",
"A cop killed him, most likely after being ordered to by the CIA or FBI, who tried to convince him he was worthless and should commit suicide. ",
"Certainly, King would never have a problem with the capitalist system... ",
"> Button 2: All the banksters should be locked up!\n\nThose who commit white-collar crimes should indeed be locked up depending on the crime. I don't understand. Are you saying someone shoplifting a DVD should go to jail, but those leading to an economic recession and millions losing their homes deserve a bonus?\n\n> [Proud Liberal wiping sweat]\n\nWhat is this idiotic nonsense that I constantly see some people say? You're either a conservative or liberal, right or left, etc? Cut that crap out. Not everything is black and white. Focus on addressing the topics at hand rather than idiotically stereotyping each other and then blindly fighting.\n",
"How do you not feel included? OPs message is a statement of their admiration of MLK and you’re going on about how you don’t feel included because it’s a gender issue for YOU. ",
"Most of the founders would have, and they would have said the same about Roosevelt and Kennedy and both Bushes and Obama... They despised the idea of foreign entanglement.\n\nNonetheless, MLK would be appalled.",
"Too late",
"I take it back, you apparently do not post on t_d, so well done. Still, the one thing you have to say on a MLK thread on MLK day is shitting on \"antifa\", thus the confusion. Maybe I missed some irony or something, in which case, my bad.",
">that could be attributed to the fact that they statistically commit overwhelmingly more violent crimes than “whitey” does?\n\nYou back this up. If you're going to ask for proof of claims you shouldn't throw out the assumptions you pulled from your ass.\n\nBut anyway, here a few sources to back up the claim that black people get harsher sentences for the same crimes as whites.\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/17/opinion/sunday/unequal-sentences-for-blacks-and-whites.html\n\n>African-American defendants get more time behind bars — sometimes twice the prison terms of whites with identical criminal histories — when they commit the same crimes under identical circumstances\n\nhttps://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/assets/141027_iachr_racial_disparities_aclu_submission_0.pdf\n\n>There are significant racial disparities in sentencing decisions in the United States.^1 Sentences imposed on Black males in the federal system are nearly 20 percent longer than those imposed on white males convicted of similar crimes.^2 Black and Latino offenders sentenced instate and federal courts face significantly greater odds of incarceration than similarly situated white offenders and receive longer sentences than their white counterparts in some jurisdictions.^3 \nBlack male federal defendants receive longer sentences than whites arrested for the same offenses and with comparable criminal histories.^4\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_in_the_United_States_criminal_justice_system#Race_and_sentencing_length\n ",
"Without even googling it, based on him denouncing the Vietnam war, I'm gonna basically guarantee some people literally said that about him.",
"I'm not in the habit of being the errand boy for white supremacists such as yourself. ",
"You can think that slavery is wrong, but still consider black people sub human and that they shouldn't have any rights.",
"We've progressed quite a bit actually. We still have a lot of issues to be sure. But make no mistake, things are worlds better than in Dr. Kings time. ",
"Equity is equal. ",
"I wonder what Dr. King would think of the black community today after the Democrats had their way with them and used them as pawns and voting tools to gain power. Thug culture, generational welfare being bragged about and encouraged, multiple kids from different fathers (with non existent dads), etc. ",
"Top kek.",
"I hope for my mental sanity that you're a troll ",
"[\"We called them that by accident, but we still call them that.\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWZkwuILn_s)",
"Jefferson wrote repeatedly about the ethical and moral need to emancipate blacks even if he would not have expected them to become so integral a part of American culture, history, and consciousness.\n\nWe have both the evidence of his ideas and also the evidence that he lacked the conviction to see it through - in part because of his debts but also because he feared the backlash from seeing it through.\n\nGiven the decades of sporadic violence about preserving slavery that followed culminating in the worst war in American history, it's hard to blame him for not more strongly pushing emancipation if not equality.",
"> ~~Do you have any data?~~ I'm retarded\n\nFTFY",
"Not to mention it's a pretty shitty mindset to have to not idolize one of the greatest men in our history simply because you aren't the same gender. If people of all races can idolize him why not all genders? That's just some sexist bs.",
"I would but you seem really ignorant and I don't really want to talk to you. Have a nice day!",
"> comical\n\nNot really. Look throughout history, people fighting for one segment of the population often overlook others. Do you think all women in the Suffrage movement were totally fine with black people? \n\nSimilarly, look at how even some people who were in support of gay rights had a more difficult time with trans rights. \n\nYou seem to be operating under the delusion that there are only two types of people, those who are fully \"woke\" and those who are not. ",
"I never disrespected kaps free speech I do not approve of what he did but I will defend his right to do so, but he is in no way comparable to martin Luther king jr. ",
"Hahah yeah it is. I live in Tokyo, and to get to school I go to (i’m a student) I transfer at Ikebukuro Station which is ig one of the big stations. It’s rlly busy and crowded in the morning.\nOverall, I can say that there are beautiful places, culture, and also good food. Many I haven’t been/tried too. Hopefully you come and see it for yourself soon! \n",
"That boy Tebowing ",
"He actually said multiple times libertarian, small government policies give safe haven to racists. ",
"and what political party does the KKK belong to now?",
"It means you are a racist. I hope you can become better, but I don't know how you will.",
"No it’s not. I grew up in a black neighborhood. They’ve been taught to hate white people. The same thing happens in white neighborhoods. And the same goes for Spanish neighborhoods. Actually I’d say Spanish people are some of the most racist people. We hate other Spanish people. Guess what bud I don’t care about your virtue signaling. Comparing actual proven fact to crazy flat earthers is literally insane.",
"Colin Kaepernick is trying and being called an ignorant anti-American for it.",
"If you’re an atheist, then thought and prayer are literally the same thing, so they are thinking together, setting an intention as a group. ",
"Well he did block roads/create commotion, which many at the time opposed. ",
"It turns out that most of the world isn't Western Europe/America as hard as that is to believe for many people. ",
"Fun fact: he was shot by a democrat.",
"What I see from this is we need to follow Dr. Martin Luther King's example and pray to our Lord and God Jesus Christ.\n\n#fail again liberals.",
"No it means I’m a realist you tart",
"Respect from Portugal. Mr. King was a great man.",
"One nation *controlled by* the media.",
"> Comparing actual proven fact to crazy flat earthers is literally insane.\n\nPlease show the world your 'proven fact.'\n\n> They’ve been taught to hate white people. The same thing happens in white neighborhoods. And the same goes for Spanish neighborhoods\n\nHoly fuck you are one racist piece of shit. \n",
"The white guy with the microphone kinda looks like he's holding a handgun if you don't see the wire attached to it",
"The United States and the constitution was formed AFTER the revolution.\n\nThe point is that the Constitution has allowed for peaceful change of power. That was something that at the time was nearly unheard of, and still isn't that common outside of North America and Europe.",
"When I was younger, when I didn't know who king was I thought it was an old shoe advert",
"And yet the racism and denial of it is still the same.",
"We have a big government. And look at big government areas like Detroit that have been under Democrat control for 50+ years. ",
"You realize that a lot of the civil rights movement did have violence and a lot of it is considered to be highly influential to the civil rights movement as a whole. MLK wasn't the entirety of the civil rights movement, it consisted of many individuals, communities, organizations, and they all had different ideas on what the best way was to bring about change, what was necessary to do or not to do. Some groups formed to just help feed their communities and protect them against harassment and brutality by the police, out of necessity.\n\nI don't know enough about the H&M incident or South Africa to comment on it, and I doubt you do either, but I do know that claiming the use of violence in protest being intrinsically wrong or inherently unnecessary is absurd. ",
"You see something wrong which is not wrong.\n\nLiving with resolve and resting at peace are not incorrect.",
"[It does definitely seem to be that way, yes](http://imgur.com/DsdQWH5) ",
"That is a compliment coming from you!",
"If you want some real fun this Monday evening, sort by controversial.",
" Those black only institutions were created because blacks weren't allowed in the other places, and when they were finally allowed, were still being denied because of racism. If you didn't want affirmative action, you shouldn't have denied them equality in the first place. You age either too young to remember how things were or too racist and stupid to admit it. ",
"The ol' \"you should be grateful for the crumbs given to you\" argument. Nothing more American!",
"yet another ignorant fuck who thinks that republicans were against equality and dems were the golden saints.\nDude, you are about a stupid as they come. ",
"LMAO....I love how you think you know what dead people would think. \n\nNonetheless, You are retarded. ",
"eli5?",
"Don't worry the Native Americans agree with you wholeheartedly. ",
"More recently, 2017 Trump Inauguration - 200 arrested",
"He was a prominent *leader* that transformed how an entire nation thought of and treated an entire ethnicity. Arguably EVERY ethnicity, even. You could be right, all I’m saying is we’ll never know what more he could’ve achieved.",
"> Yes. Putting them to work is a good thing.\n\nPutting them work is a good thing if the prisoner is the primary beneficiary and if the work will help them find work after release.\n\n> Maybe you want to talk about private companies using prisons as labor sources, but prisoners being offered work programs doing anything from landscaping for the city to stamping license plates or making clothes for the military isn't the problem.\n\nAre the prisoners being paid adequately or are learning a skill/gaining a connection that will continue employing them once they are released? If the answer is no, then in the bigger context this is indeed a problem. This creates a financial incentive of obtaining a larger cheap-workforce aka prisoners.\n\n> Now answer my question: do you think the tiny minority of for-profit prisons is actually having any impact at all on nationwide crime issues, going back decades before for-profit prisons were even a thing?\n\nI think US policies/idiotic laws and unfair treatment of minorities by police contribute to the completely unproportional incarceration rates. We are not somehow genetically or culturally unique to breed people who are naturally inclined to behavior that negatively impacts society. That just doesn't seem realistic does it?\n\nWhat's left then is our law and law enforcement policies. ",
">Yes affirmative action is EXACTLY why you did not get into Harvard.\n\nI didn't apply to Harvard. But I would have easily gotten in. Headed were never an issue for me. But any policy which says we must give special consideration and treatment to any racial group is, by it's very nature, racism. And MLK would not have liked it. He very much believed that black people could stand on their own two feet and succeed if they were unfettered, he never advocated for treating them like children who needed special help.\n\n>There are no racial set-asides \n\nYou're wrong. Google is your friend. Go forth and learn.\n\n>there sure as shit no black only spaces in colleges\n\nAgain... Completely wrong, found [this in like three seconds] (https://www.emich.edu/residencelife/communities/brotherhood.php). Maybe you need to spend more time learning about the world around you, and less time worrying about The Man.\n\n>There is financial support for white-only activities\n\nCould not find even one example, none. Given how badly you missed the last two, gonna just chalk this up as more ignorance on your part.\n\n>Sounds like you have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Just making shit up.\n\nIrony. You lose.",
"Dear ignorant liberals,\n\nYou stupid fucks. It was the republican party who freed the slaves, gave them the right to citizenship, right to vote and then passed the equal rights amendment.\n\nThe dems (your beloved shitty political party) fought them on each and every one of those.\n\nIgnorant cunts, ignorant cunts everywhere.",
"Damn straight! Him being just a man, makes everything all the more amazing, in my opinion :)",
"> here is only one thing left for you to do. You know what it is. You have just 34 days\n\nWhat was so significant about 34 days? \n\n",
"If you read the previous post, you'd see the guy explaining to me why this was illegal. You don't have to be redundant. Just grab your pitchfork and follow the mob.",
"No im not. I don’t care what you sheep say. ",
"After the fact-based beat down you just took? Sure, I'm the one who sounds retarded.\n\nIdiot.",
"This day should be honoring Martin Luther. Not Martin Luther King Junior. The latter often beat up white prostitutes during sex parties funded by church donations. He also plagiarized his “I Have A Dream” speech and had ties to the communist party. So all of y’all honoring him today can fuck off. \n\nhttps://www.snopes.com/history/american/mlking.asp",
"Can you elaborate?",
"I wasn't aware that we lived under Christian Sharia law",
"NFL players were taking a knee because people of their race were being gunned down without accountability. They were pretty explicit about that. ",
"Like the president?",
"Were is not what is. You cannot both demand special benefit and treatment as an equal. Those two things are antithetical.",
"Not to discredit Mr.King in the slightest, as he was a great man, but I've always felt Malcolm X doesn't get enough credit. He was a very interesting and great man",
"No",
"You couldn't be more wrong.",
"Pretty much no company besides the government has today off, you nincompoop. Yes, they are exceptions and I don't care for you to google and list them. \n\nIt has absolutely nothing to do with racism, but you go ahead and run through life thinking that. I'm sure you'll be real happy in the end.\n\nBTW, nobody gets Veteran's Day off either, does that mean we hate veterans? ",
"And it is the last thing the current BLM type movements are interested in, and the ONLY thing MLK every asked for.",
"Yes, someone who posts in T_D, and parrots all of their talking points is calling others sheep? Okay man. When you get older, get some maturity into your life, and realize how hateful you are the world won't look so scary. ",
"Michigan had majority conservative leadership through most of the 1980's-1990's, which is why we saw them decline after the auto boom, no one was investing in anything except cars there. \n\nThe mayor of Detroit has less control over the city than the governor of Michigan and their state legislature does. ",
"The National Anthem wasn't playing, young Black people. I am almost positive Dr. King was praying. Don't get the two mixed up. ",
"Because organised protest is supposed to be the same thing as going into a burning building? \n\nA burning building is dangerous no matter what. An organised protest is only dangerous if it is illegal. ",
"That didn't stop him from giving the \"I have a dream\" speech during the March on Washington that was organized by Bayard Rustin, a homosexual, and A. Philip Randolph, an atheist. ",
"That is not true. People that stopped watching nfl and/or changed their views of the nfl did not do so because of race? They did so because of disrespect. ",
"Is that Forrest Whitaker?",
"By that logic you can't blame the white supremacists because of the time they we're in, come on now.",
"Law breakers. ",
"Jesus dude, you're not posting a classified state secret, calm down",
"Uhhh hair trigger much? What part of my statement said republicans fight for equality? I'm pointing out that conservatives reacted to the Civil Rights movement the same as they are currently reacting to black NFL players protesting by kneeling...Holy shit you need to take a fucking chill pill, dude. ",
"Love this quote and I quoted it myself this morning because it's so awesome. One thing I'd like to warn people of is quoting this out of context can support protests which MLK jr. would consider just causes done by unjust methods. \n\nFrom the same letter he writes: \"IN ANY nonviolent campaign there are four basic steps: **collection of the facts to determine whether injustices are alive**,\n**negotiation**, **self-purification**, and direct action.\"\n\nIf you're going to use MLK jr's words to support your \"direct action\" you must at least complete those steps prior to your actions. For example, people who protest the election of a politician when they've never participated in the political process or voted. Also people who protest when they haven't gone to the negotiating table or pursued justice through the law.",
"People act like they care about guys like MLK but do the exact opposite of what he wanted. Instead of judging people by their character, Americans are trained to judge people based on race, religion, sexuality, gender, politics, etc...\n\nThe civil rights movement happened over 50 years ago and Americans are going backwards when it comes to race relations.\n\nMostly it's due to political correctness as an ideology.\n\nBack in the 70s, they used to teach people to be racially colour-blind. That just means you ignore their race or 'differences' and treat them with the same respect as anyone else. You don't make a big deal about it.\n\nIn the late 80s, social academics introduced Political Correctness as a replacement ideology that forces people to make a big deal about race. Since then, it's really done nothing good to help anything. It does the opposite actually.\n\nHere's an article that claims that being color-blind is bad.\n\nhttps://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/color-blindness-is-counterproductive/405037/\n\nThe thing is, these assholes get paid to talk about this stuff. 'Anti-racism' is an industry. There's a lot of people who get paid to talk about racism.\n\nSure, they completely shit on MLK's legacy, but at least they can make money and live posh lifestyles acting like social defenders.\n\nCompanies like Disney profit off race exploitation. Tv shows like Blackish or Luke Cage, movies like Black Panther and their patronizing, gleaming vision of 'African American' culture.\n\nWhat a fucking joke. MLK would probably be spinning in his grave if he saw how Americans treat each other nowadays.",
"What's race got to do with sexuality ",
"Equity means MLK wanted the black community to have a leg up on the white community, to make up for inherent shortcomings in America's social structure. \n\nLiterally what every black activist is saying today. ",
"It looks like hes sitting on the dude behind him's leg lol ",
"38.5 percent of all crimes are committed by black people, they only consist about 13 percent of the population. 52 percent of homicides are committed by black people, yet they only represent 13 percent of the population. Facts are facts, black people commit a disproportionate amount of crime compared to other races. This makes the stats that show black people to be killed by police invalid, as it just shows the demographics of those commiting the crime. But let it be known, I'm not racist, I don't believe the colour of someone's skin has to do anything with crime. However, I do believe black areas in the US are severely underdeveloped and lacking in infrastructure. Who's fault that is? Don't ask me.",
"He should be on the 20 dollar bill rather than Jackson",
"Yeah the man who chased down escaped slaves would be super pleased with this development.",
"Like I said, agree to disagree. It's probably a bit of both. ",
"Tried to appear to against racism\n\nUses phrases like “whitey”...",
"Judge a nation by how well they treat the least fortunate. Since your well-being depends so much on the lottery that is your birth, you wouldn't want to be born in a world that treats the less fortunate like shit because there's a chance you are born into that situation, or even fall down to that situation from bad luck or one mistake\n",
"He was also a socialist, an anti-war activist, and a stern critic of police brutality.",
"LOOK AT THESE VIOLENT BLACK RIOTING THUGS",
"yes you managed to copy someone and blindly repost it without reading. Congratulations. ",
"Maybe you should take a page out of your own book and try following Christ's teachings yourself rather than criticizing other peoples beliefs.",
"See this is the problem. Were supposed to be recognizing the life and achievements of Dr. King, not starting a political rant. Like Jesus, every comment is either “Bet Trump wouldnt like this pic!” or “why is he kneeling, so disrespectful!” etc. ",
"And things are only brave if they're dangerous?\n\nThat's a different line than you had in your last comment, back then you said it isn't brave if it isn't illegal. See the difference?\n\nSince Dr. King's house was **bombed** and then he was **killed** I think we can agree that even when what he did was *legal* it was *dangerous*.",
"> Whenever this issue of compensatory or preferential treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask for nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic. For it is obvious that if a man is entering the starting line in a race 300 years after another man, the first would have to perform some impossible feat in order to catch up with his fellow runner.\n\n-\n\n> A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro\n\n-\n\n> I do indeed. Can any fair-minded citizen deny that the Negro has been deprived? Few people reflect that for two centuries the Negro was enslaved, and robbed of any wages--potential accrued wealth which would have been the legacy of his descendants. All of America's wealth today could not adequately compensate its Negroes for his centuries of exploitation and humiliation. It is an economic fact that a program such as I propose would certainly cost far less than any computation of two centuries of unpaid wages plus accumulated interest. In any case, I do not intend that this program of economic aid should apply only to the Negro; it should benefit the disadvantaged of all races\n\nHe explicitly states simple equality is not enough in that first quote. He calls for, essentially, affirmative action in that second quote. He calls for reparations in the third.",
"Yup, everything's fixed now! \n\nLMAO, good one dude. ",
"The Lee day thing is very much real but I can't answer the Furor thing unless he's saying it sarcastically since, well, Trump's followers seem easily swayed from his use of Hitler tactics with waging war on media that paints him in a negative light, his rhetoric that promotes nationalism while being critical of 'certain' sects of the population and his choice to NOT denounce Nazis while equalizing protesters to them. ",
"It means we don't take them seriously enough to make it a holiday, and yes we don't give a fuck about our veterans. We act like we do, yet our actions show we truly don't. I'm not unhappy lol, I'm a realist. We do not care about black people or veterans in this country. ",
"Just because I think the US has tons of issues doesn't mean I'm an authoritarian or a bot, please remove your head from your ass. And it's not petty to say that it's really fucked up how black Americans are treated when they try to fight for their own rights. The way you tried to compare that to racist statements about \"sharia law\" by bots is beyond me.",
"No, clearly r/politics is moderated by literal nazis",
"LOL that's an unequivocal \"no,\" because they don't exist! In fact, were you to locate the actual statistics, you would've seen that they prove there isn't systemic racism en masse at all.",
"Arkansas used to have a joint celebration on MLK day for some reason. They changed it last year though.",
"A liberal would post this in reference to Colin Kapernick",
"Pshhh and to believe that Trump had the nerve to keep MLK’s dream by giving blacks job equality in all of his companies. What a racist........",
"I cite Selma whenever I'm arguing against state-sponsored liscensure. It's just a way to deprive people of something; whether it's a parade permit, voter ID, occupational licensing, or a green card.. It's all oppressive.",
"Are you from Huntsville?",
"Gutting the aristocracy rarely works out for anyone other than whomever fills the power vacuum",
"Okay? Are you moving the goal posts on me? I thought we were talking about \"systemic racism\" and police brutality?",
"Can be against certain lifestyles but still consider people human. ",
"In Virginia the holiday is officially recognized as Lee-Jackson Day",
"Even MLK said the white moderate is worse than the absolute racist. ",
"[\"Facts-based beatdown\"](https://media.giphy.com/media/gngO1gmBhS9na/giphy.gif)",
"When are black people stopped from peacefully protesting today in the US? The cities give BLM and other groups “room to riot”",
"Well, that's the quibble you can make I guess, \"There was some nasty shit going on but that was before we were official.\" \n\nGo back a ways and they were torturing 'heretics' and minor criminals along with everyone else.",
"Yeah, there's more as well I'm sure but I just went with Europe ",
"Wow I wonder who was playing the national anthem 🤨",
"They would claim Kapernick is doing the same work as MLK.",
"There is so much muddying of the waters and I think this contributes to the problem. Conservative Christians are being taught that *they* are being marginalized and persecuted, so why wouldn't they want to fight back? Meanwhile radical fringes of groups that have essentially achieved equality as far as the government can grant it continue to rail against perceived unfairness in ways that flabbergast the average person trying to treat everyone fairly, and we wind up having to try to separate real issues from bullshit ones. ",
"\"We\" don't care about most stuff that's not immediately relevant to our personal lives. It's nothing unusual. \n\nWe also don't get Columbus day off. Guess we hate white people too.\n\n",
"Not agreeing that it was \"likely\" but once you realize no one is perfect it makes life a lot easier. A shitty action doesn't erase good actions.",
"Obviously there are some real evil racist people out there but They do not make up the majority. ",
"Still lots of black poverty in Democrat-controlled stronghold states. Also no improvement during Obama's term despite promises. Perhaps the issue is more complicated than \"throw money at it and promise things\". Perhaps we need to move beyond victim ideology and look at cultural issues. \n\nThankfully looks like the statistics are finally turning around though. National black unemployment just spiked to lowest levels ever. ",
"The republicans didn't fight the civil rights movement twat. \nThe shit that these ignorant football players are kneeling for is garbage in comparison.",
"Did you just recently learn that you are a racist piece of shit or have you always known it?",
"But everything you said was proven wrong. Willful ignorance of facts isn't a good thing my brother.",
"#metoo",
"> ..in many respects, Switzerland has more permissive gun laws than America.\n\nThe Swiss don't have a standing army, they have a militia. The general population is thus properly trained in gun safety and is also equipped. You have less idiots playing with guns and less gun accidents.\n\n> If gun control works and has nothing to do with culture..\n\nGun control and culture are two completely separate things. Stricter gun laws can help reduce gun-related accidents and murders, but it does nothing to prevent the cause of the murder (as you hint at). That's why I support gun rights.\n\nYet Western Europe doesn't seem to be quite as religious as the US. There's a direct correlation between education, religion, poverty and murder. In the US, areas with higher education rates and lower poverty see less murder. That's why places of high poverty like Detroit, or places with less of the population pursuing higher education and a high population of actively religious folks see higher murder rates. Give these people a gun and you now have 4x the gun-related murder when compared to Europe. \n\nOF course these are all just general trends. Each country has more specified and in depth variables that may be unique specifically to them and their culture/history.",
"Well it seems like the majority believe that the NFL players are in the right, and the majority can definitely be and historically have been wrong on these subjects, as u/SixBiscuit just explained.",
"Said the person who doesn't know what equity is. ",
"https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/28/us/politics/donald-trump-housing-race.html",
"You did not prove anything. What planet are you living on? You just ignorant...regardless of facts. ",
"lol you're the dummy that brought up communist dictators",
">\" I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.\"\n\nNo, he really didn't. What you describe is racism, he was very vocally opposed to racism.",
"I post in The_Donald because it’s the only place in this shitty site where you can tell the truth and not be called a rayciss misogynist. You know you people are in the minority right and will win again in 2020. Actually we already won. Have you seen the economy and the job numbers. It’s insane what the government getting out of the way of the people can do. ",
"A true black lives matter advocate.",
"> I didn't apply to Harvard. But I would have easily gotten in. \n\nSuuuuuuuuure you would have u/NoFanOfTheCold.\n\nYou just didn't want to, right? \n\nAnother unrelated question: how many confirmed kills do you have?",
"Great photo, awful title.",
"Dear Ignorant Republicans,\n\nThe Democrat and Republican parties switched ideologies in the 20th century. The Republican Party of the 1800's was the liberal party.\n\nDurrrr.",
"“When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered.”\n\n“Capitalism has often left a gap of superfluous wealth and abject poverty, and has created conditions permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few.\"\n\n“America must move toward a democratic socialism.”\n\n-Martin Luther King, Jr.",
"Of course I did, your putting your poor little victim feelies ahead of facts only marks you as a fool. I can see why you want special help, you need it.",
"Old white people have been shitty for a long, long time.",
"Yeah, but injustice is real and we aren't going to fight it if we don't remind ourselves it exists. It's important to not encourage passivity. MLK believed in direct action. ",
"hi glenjamn, I want to party with you",
"Also known as the African slave trade.",
"Sure, that must be it. And nothing says equity like judging someone for their race and giving them benefit because of it. MLK would be disgusted.",
"But that's exactly what he struggled with, he did try to introduce legislation that gave black people rights.",
"You asked for one country... One...\n\nEdit: I'm not Andorran, but that question is ignorant, that is what I challenged. ",
"(Looks like he’s taking a very deep dab.. What has the internet done to me..)",
"Conservatives hate equality, that's why they fought against the civil Rights movement and still despise any people of color speaking out about injustice. You must be really fucking dumb to be able to ignore that",
"Sadly, today's generation misses his point completely. ",
"> You know you people are in the minority right \n\nWhat people you talking about? If you're referring to Democrats, they actually had more votes than Republicans did in the 2016 election. But you are factually correct, no presidential candidate had more than 50% of the votes.\n\n> It’s insane what the government getting out of the way of the people can do. \n\nWhat has the government done in the past year? \n\n> I post in The_Donald because it’s the only place in this shitty site where you can tell the truth and not be called a rayciss misogynist\n\nSomeone calls you an asshole in the morning they're probably having a bad day. If everyone's calling you an asshole, you're probably an asshole. ",
"www.Blacked.com",
"I'm not OP , but I got an idea. In canada they are talking about raising minimum wage to 15$/h and I heard some of my colleagues and bosses talking about it. They said that if it ever happens they will have no choice to fire like 30% of the employees OR REDUCE wage of most worker to minimum (employees working at 16+ /h before augmentation). ",
"I could not respect anyone more. Thank you Dr. King.",
"You would think that but that is also why everyone thinks you are an idiot. LMAO you think it is about feelings and yet have no facts. That is why you are a fucking idiot. \n\nGo away Special Needs. ",
"The idea of Harvard never entered into my mind. I attended a specific school for a specific program to study with one particular professor. It was all I wanted at that point. But the seven schools I applied for to cover my ass all accepted me, which want exactly unexpected. And I didn't even need special help to do it.",
"> “why is he kneeling, so disrespectful!”\n\nI think it's perfectly reasonable to draw parallels to his life and the fact that non violent protests of the treatment of African Americans *still* draws the same criticism that people directed at Dr. King almost 60 years ago. \n\nI think just celebrating the man while ignoring the cause misunderstands the point of his life. ",
"Right, with that logic, Europeans are all pussies with a smug superiority complex who like to shit on stuff. ",
"We don’t, but;\n\nThe Christian Law tells you to love unconditionally, forgive and not to judge\n\nSharia Law tells you to kill all non-converts, do try having a little wisdom..\n\nDownvote all you want, doesn’t make me wrong.",
"What have civil rights got to do with MLK?",
">Still lots of black poverty in Democrat-controlled stronghold states.\n\nThere's lots of black poverty across America, because America is racist. \n\n>Also no improvement during Obama's term despite promises.\n\nThat's just not true at all. \n\n>Perhaps the issue is more complicated than \"throw money at it and promise things\". \n\nWhen someone's poor, throwing money at them makes them less poor. \n\nThat's just common sense. \n\n>Perhaps we need to move beyond victim ideology and look at cultural issues. \n\nThey live in the same country you do numb nuts. If America has a culture problem it stems from the fucking majority, not the minority. \n\n>Thankfully looks like the statistics are finally turning around though. National black unemployment just spiked to lowest levels ever. \n\nEvery decade since the 80's saw black people getting richer. \n\nCivil rights acts and economic equality statutes really do help ",
"No, they didn't. Not perfect, but not what you describe.\nIf any party has morfed, it is the democrats, who used to be decent, but are now a puppet of the socialist movement.",
"[He's not kneeling out of disrespect, he's kneeling because a Green Beret told him it was the best way to show RESPECT](https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-nate-boyer-got-colin-kaepernick-to-go-from-sitting-to-kneeling/)\r\n\r\nIf you have an issue with the kneeling your anger should be directed at Nate Boyer.\r\n\r\n>\"We sorta came to a middle ground where he would take a knee alongside his teammates,\" Boyer says. \"Soldiers take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave, you know, to show respect. When we're on a patrol, you know, and we go into a security halt, we take a knee, and we pull security.\"",
"Yes, thank you, Dr King!\n\nIt's unfortunate that these whining babies in Black LIES Matter disgrace you with their temper tantrum idiocy. ",
"MLK's approval rating was in the 30's during the height of the civil rights movement. Given its content, it's not really surprising that Fox News would hate MLK if they were around at the time.",
"Hell of a straw man you got there.",
"\"Lord I have seen the future, and it gets a lot worse right after it gets better\"",
"And I said many countries around the world. You can't focus on one area to refute my point about an overall trend.",
" \"Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic.\"\n\nStepen Oates, the author of a biography of King called Let The Trumpet Sound, quotes him thus: \"A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro.\"\n\nhttp://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2014/04/martin_luther_king_jr_explicit.html",
"\"WTF he's praying? I hate MLK now!\"\n\n-Liberals, probably",
"If I remember correctly, there's evidence that suggests that they came from the Asia, specifically around Siberia.\n\nIt's entirely possible that Indians from India and Native Americans are from the same people.\n\nhttp://www.history.com/news/native-americans-hailed-from-siberian-highlands-dna-reveals\n\n\nBut whatever, we're all from the same goddamn place. A better name for them than Indian, would be nice.\n\n",
"By what?",
"You said there were no blacks only spaces at American colleges, I showed you one. One simple part of our exchange, which proves you cling to your special victim status and are incapable of following facts.",
"http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2014/04/martin_luther_king_jr_explicit.html",
"These people didn't disappear, they got older, had kids and passed on the bigotry. Few things are as infuriating as the belief that \"well yeah America was racist like a 100 years ago during he civil rights movement but the only racism now is against white guys\". ",
"They're kneeling because unarmed black men get murdered by police almost daily - MLK protested to be given equal treatment under the law. I NEVER SAID, AT ANY POINT, THAT REPUBLICANS FOUGHT FOR CIVIL RIGHTS - MY POINT IS ACTUALLY THE EXACT OPPOSITE. You're losing your fucking mind over nothing, move on. ",
"[Not according to his biographer David Garow.](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/feb/01/no-martin-luther-king-was-not-republican/)",
"Whoosh\n\nWhat I'm saying, which you already know, is that not every is Christian, even some conservatives. I'm not sure what liberals even have to do with this as many are indeed Christian. \n",
"Minus the fact that racist subs like r/pics, r/blackpeopletwitter, and r/worldnews try their hardest to undo his work.",
"So white people aren't allowed to have opinions? Got it. ",
"Because the other comment was deleted and I can no longer reply to the right person, [this article](https://pchiusano.github.io/2014-10-11/defensive-writing.html) is relevant. Basically summarized it should be: write in a natural way rather than hedging against all possible interpretations, and read in a way that chooses the best possible interpretation.",
"The enforcement of it. It's targeted toward certain groups and that's a well known and supported fact. You can even ask criminologists who study this stuff. Hell, it's even seen in criminal justice classes so long as you aren't being taught by a retired officer (They tend to be biased but my retired Chief was upfront about most of what he came across). \n\nThe data is there, just often misinterpreted according to bias.",
"Raising the minimum wage helps literally nobody and only hurts everyone as a whole. Ask any economist. ",
"No, you didn't. You did not show shit. You are Special Needs status and incapable of making a coherent argument. Fuck outta here!",
"nerd",
"Proof or facts...take you pick. ",
"My wife and I toured the National Civil Rights Museum in Memphis about a week ago. It was a wonderful tribute to the struggles of racial inequality. As you can imagine, there were many exhibits centering around the work and success of Dr. King.\n\nI was born in the deep south, and grew up during many of the racial conflicts. I remember \"separate but equal\". I remember being a child, and not understanding why black and white children weren't allowed to play together. I saw the injustices of blacks being charged more than whites by local stores.\n\nAs I became older, it became apparent to me that some prejudices that were present in my environment became a part of me. I didn't want to believe that, but it was there. More subtle than in many others, but present none the less. My own search for truth revealed that I had work to do. Once I realized that, I have strived to erase it.\n\nThe visit to the Civil Rights Museum brought me to tears several times. It reminded me of the unending ways we cause pain to others because they are different than we are. I feel much more connected, and filled with love and happiness when I see everyone as an extension of myself. I also see me as an extension of them. Regardless of differences, we are the same.\n\nDr. King spent his life teaching those lessons. He spent his life living those lessons. I am grateful to have heard his words...his message...and to know the truth. Rest In Peace, Dr. King.",
"And something special WAS DONE and it didn't do anything beyond engendering a community-wide sense of entitlement and victimhood. King was a realist and opposed racism in any form, he would not have supported the current system in any way. The clear disintegration of the black family as a direct result of devaluing black fatherhood would have disgusted him. You are very wrong.",
"And that's not racism, it's equity. ",
"Ridiculous. Absolutely no living associate of his or any keepers of his legacy from his widow and children to his political allies think that.",
"You’re 100% right. ",
"Stealing ideas from Kaepernick smh",
"I get you can't hold a job or support a family, but surely you can click a link?",
"Illegal immigration has fallen to historic lows\n\nhttp://www.washingtonexaminer.com/illegal-immigration-hits-45-year-low-under-trump/article/2645396\n\nMore minorities in work force than ever before\n\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/01/05/black-unemployment-falls-to-lowest-level-on-record/\n\nhttp://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/28/latino-unemployment-rate-is-back-at-historic-low/\n\nNorth Korea peace talks with South Korea \n\nhttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles/trump-on-possibility-of-north-korea-talks-says-who-knows-where-it-leads-idUSKBN1EZ09W\n\nRecord stock market\n\nhttp://www.marketwatch.com/story/wall-street-stocks-set-to-resume-rally-on-fed-rate-hike-hopes-trump-relief-2017-03-01\n\nI mean there’s more but this should keep you occupied for a while!",
"Conferring benefit based on race is the essence of racism.",
"Yeah you aren't picking the right holidays... Christopher Columbus was a piece of shit and I don't even think schools get it off anymore. Your first points... What? So it's okay that we don't take care of our veterans...? ",
"Nothing, you made an idiotic comment about “Christian Sharia” I just pointed out why it’s wrong.\n\nThe world could do with more love, lack of greed, lies, envy, and murder. You know, laws that are most sacred in the christian religion?\n\nCalling it “Sharia” shows a real lack of maturity with a serious lack of knowledge on your part.",
"Fortunately, America has grown a lot since this picture. Nowadays you would never have millions of white people getting mad because a black person silently puts his knee on the ground. And you certainly wouldn't have the president imply that person should be fired from their job for exercising a constitutional right.\n\nedit: I get it, football players don't have the right of free speech at work. Go right ahead and ignore the issue of racism and let's focus on some petty shit. Same thing always happens when guns come up. \"He didn't use a automatic rife to murder all those children, he used a semiautomatic rifle\". Transparent as fuck.",
"They literally did exactly that. This is well known historical fact. The Republican party of the 1860's was marked by an expansion of Federal power and government spending. Meanwhile, Roosevelt, a Democrat, implemented the New Deal. Republicans in a post-civil rights era rode into power on the Southern Strategy, appealing to predominantly white southerners (racists). This is not even in dispute. This is fact. ",
"Someone above seemingly more informed says differently. ",
"If reddit existed in the 1960's, the general population of this site would be vehemently opposed to Martin Luther King, Jr and the civil rights movement in general. \n\nPeople don't realize how much of a radical he was at the time, and how much the dominant culture was opposed to this stuff. Just look at the hysterical pants-shitting overreaction to BLM, and you can see how reddit would never be able to handle the 60's. BLM was peanuts compared to the race riots and stuff that used to happen on a regular basis in this country. \n\n",
"I have both. In fact, both are better than yours, surely you can get your head out of your ass....you know what...nevermind. You can't get your head out of your ass. ",
"For?",
"Notice how you don't go \"Oh me? I'm not a white supremacist.\" \n\nGoosestep along motherfucker. ",
"Ok, facts are going to be less influenced by your opinion. Give me one fact showing your point.\n\nEdit: Sudden silence. Unsurprising.",
"Ha, not what I am implying. I am more than versed in the history of Dr. King and what the country looked like before. I'm simply stating that just because progress has been made doesn't negate the fact that there's more progress that can be made. Nor does it mean one can't criticize or argue for more progress. These things are not mutually exclusive. I can call something \"crumbs\" while still grasping the immense work that was done to get said crumbs. I carefully selected the word crumbs in the greater context of what this country still needs to overcome to be great and equal. Currently there are states that are trying to deny individuals their right to vote by amending the laws that Dr. King himself fought so hard to have enacted. I do believe it's important to celebrate Dr. King's achievements on this day, but to stay mum on where we still need to go stands against everything he spoke about during his time. ",
"So dont define a country by the majority, the people in power, the laws and regulations the majority support...\n\nInstead define a country by its marginalized oppressed minority? ",
"Now that I'm more mature and stuff. Trying to become a better and stronger person than the guy I was yesterday. I see King was a big deal.",
"So why are you so afraid to click on that link? \n\n>I have both.\n\nSure... You're the one.",
"[Oh yes, the majority certainly supports the NFL player kneeling.](https://phys.org/news/2017-11-tackles-nfl-players-protests.html)",
"Everyone who has ever done anything is just a man (or woman). What else could they be?",
"They get it. I'm sure they get it. ",
"But if King were born today.....would he still be the same King?....Hey VSauce, Michael here",
"You're an idiot if you really think that. They arrested him several times, harassed him at every turn, turned fire hoses and police dogs on him and his followers. Learn some history.",
">And something special WAS DONE and it didn't do anything beyond engendering a community-wide sense of entitlement and victimhood. \n\nLiterally the same \"sense of entitlement\" Dr. King displayed very openly , multiple times. \n\nHe very clearly said white people have to \"do something special for the negro\". \n\nHow is that any different than what's being said today?\n\n>King was a realist and opposed racism in any form, he would not have supported the current system in any way. The clear disintegration of the black family as a direct result of devaluing black fatherhood would have disgusted him. You are very wrong.\n\n\"Devaluing black fatherhood?!\"\n\n Every sociologist ever blames the majority of the problem on mandatory minimum sentencing designed to leave black men at a disadvantage in the criminal justice system, what makes you think Dr. King would've blamed something else?\n\n(Hint: He didnt, I have quotes of his about the criminal justice system that specifically denounced that practice.) ",
"You can have more love and less greed without forcing your religion on others, which is what Sharia is",
"Conferring benefit based on shortcoming is called equity. ",
"Yeah I figured, seems a little scummy but maybe it's just appropriate ",
"Report that fucker to HR I wouldn’t be comfortable working with a psycopath",
"True. My comment was fucking stupid",
"Dude on the right was just tying his shoe when Dr. King walked up and prayed with the man.",
"...i hate to be the one who is going to spoil this beautiful quote by saying: and then there was Trump...",
"Ugh, I've never heard of this being a thing. Stupid. And now I'll forever remember that people celebrate \"E Lee Day\" on MLK day. So disrespectful",
"You don't know who Martin Luther King is or what he did?",
"lol, isn't that what TD posters say? It's always funny to see how dumb people on both sides are essentially the same. ",
"Nobody said you couldn’t lol but this whole idea of attacking Christianity when true Christians literally believe in loving and accepting others as Christ would seems a little silly.\n\nAnd no, Sharia is literally defined as Islamic Law, this is why you using the term to try to define Christians shows your lack of maturity and knowledge.\n\n[here, try to learn something](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia) ",
"...Sorry? I think we misunderstand each other. I'm not trying to refute anything.",
"Ctrl+F \n\n*types* **trump**\n\nFound the jackass",
"And yet strategically he’s dead wrong. \n\nBecause of the US Embargo against Japan, the Japanese needed to turn their focus south and east against the British, Dutch, and US along with Commonwealth forces in order to acquire the resources necessary. \n\nUpon finding this out, Stalin withdrew 30 divisions from the Machukuo border. They showed up in Moscow while the Germans were stalling for the winter (after Hitler fucked the plan by micromanaging) and proceeded to push them back which led to Hitler getting rid of his Commander in Chief along with 25 senior officers including Heinz Guderian. \n\nPlus all of the industrial power the US brought to bear to supply them. And helped train their air forces. \n\nThings would have gone a lot differently if it were Russia alone ",
"God damn dude the mental gymnastics you are going through to convince yourself that you are correct is fucking ridiculous.... Isn't it just easier to admit you are wrong once in awhile?\n\nIf someone racist realizes the error of their ways, renounces it and becomes an advocate for racial equality after they have that realization, that's absolutely commendable.\n\nEdit: Figured you wouldn't respond. Typical Trump supporter. Runs away when people challenge his world view. Don't worry people! I'm sure he's, like, really smart.",
"yea but its like, okay yes, we all know this. Why then is the comment upvoted as if it's pointing out something we don't know?",
"Who cares nerd. ",
"Thing is: Why would this photo create discord? This pose wasn't created by NFL players.",
"Sounds about white*",
"No, that's someone deciding not to feed the nazi troll. Which is always the right choice.",
"Nop. What he did? Except cheating on his wife and marching and now Being idolized for it by the same people that killed him ( democrats) and basically using him to segregate people with their identity politics basically what king fought against ?",
"If America is so racist then why did we have a black President? \n\nIf America is so racist how come there so many black millionaires and billionaires? Why would those be allowed to rise? Perhaps its because there is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND INDIVIDUALISM which allows these people to prosper out of poverty if they want to. Whitey isn't holding them back.\n\nAnd look, can't even have a proper debate without name-calling. Typical \"leftist tolerance\" ",
"\"I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character\" \n\nWords to live by",
"When was that? That hate was already there when he was still alive. After all, he *was* murdered.",
"> Wait I don't get why your comment is so upvoted. Are you a non-American pointing out that black people are angry for getting arrested in the 1960s in America? I'm not sure what else you're saying? Everyone knows it was racist back then. Am I missing something with your comment? Are you pointing out something else?",
"You can live with resolve. Resolve cannot live; it's an abstract concept. ",
"Here's the argument:\n\n\"When the Voting Rights Act hit the floor in 1965, the vote results *mirrored those of the Civil Rights Act* (Because the same thing happened there as well. Both majorities supported but the opposition came from the Democrats). In the House, the measure passed by a 333-85 margin, with 78 percent of Democrats backing it (221 yeas and **61** nays) and 82 percent of Republicans backing it (112 yeas to 24 nays).\n\nIn the Senate, the measure passed by a 77-19 vote, with 73 percent of Democrats and **94** percent of Republicans supporting the bill.",
"Thanks for the history lesson, but don't get too hung up on Reddit conspiracies. Vote counts are known to be fuzzed to screw with accurate vote manipulation. Besides, you're at a healthy 400 something points now.",
"He was gone too soon. We need him now more than ever",
"Acted like what?",
"No. Not everyone and not every generation.",
"You dont have a constitutional right to protest during your job or on private property.",
"And MLK didn't have it as bad as the slaves. And what does that mean?",
"No, retard, my point is and has always been **not getting MLK day off reflects nothing on society's feelings about MLK**",
"Every once in a while though... I'd rather be a French peasant in 1790 than 1780.",
"Holy shit you need to do a little reading. Nothing wrong with being ill informed, but don't go around making others as stupid as you.",
"[Civil Rights Act Union vs Confederacy](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/8/27/1377639850437/bothcivilrights.jpeg?w=620&q=20&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&dpr=2&s=43c5ce5a27e0da811ef554d79373302f)\n\nSource - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/28/republicans-party-of-civil-rights",
"Doctorate in plagiarism",
"Provided facts, that's it. ",
"That guy holding a iPhone x??",
"Fuck off",
"ITT: White moderates",
"One of the few people who seems to just be a *good guy*, with no asterisks. Just looking through some of the top comments here, he seems to be pretty egalitarian, but I don't know his views on homosexuality (always a big trip-up). Anyway, he seems really, really cool.\n\nWhen I think about people who died young, I consider whether they could still be alive. Alan Turing is one example, who I think would have been an amazing person to have alive still - although by this point, it's very likely he would have died. But we'll never know.\n\nMartin Luther King Jr would be much more likely. Roughly ninety, by now. I don't much about the American CRM in the last 50 years, but I'll bet he could have added to it.",
"I know it's really dumb. I think it was last posted at the height of the controversy in response to the NFL kneeling and it caused a shitshow.",
"This!",
"yes, the Most Laluable Klayer",
"You say that as if you think racism wasn't the reason behind peoples' anger...",
"\"one black guy is successful so the discrimination others face isn't real.\"",
"Oprah was his pick for VP.",
"This article; \nhttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/29/tamir-rice-killed-by-white-americas-irrational-fear-black-boys\n\nWhich then cites this study;\nhttp://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1090513815000793\n\nThat's just one easy search. There are mountains of books written about the subject. ",
"No shit it is. Most all other countries are racist too, the US was one of the few that passed legislation, not to mention went to war with itself, to end slavery and discrimination. \n\nJust sick of people saying America is a piece of shit racist country. Most people here aren't. Media and academia sensationalize it.",
"Whited.com",
"If that’s what was actually happening you’d be right. Instead, the “authoritarians” are the ones who are trying to convince you that pointing out racial injustice still exists is equivalent to “aggressively shitting on the nation at every opportunity” or “stoking racial division”.\n\nI’m not saying there aren’t people who are wrong on (though the term has now been corrupted) “all sides”. But acting like extremists on either end are representative of the actual core groups who recognize and want to work to correct injustice is the actual authoritarian tactic here.",
">People don't understand the concept of the difference between MLKs peaceful legal protests, to the illegal riots of today. It's pathetic to compare these thugs to the work of MLK.\n\nMLKs protests weren't legal, that is why he was arrested 34 times. Millions of Americans referred to him in exactly the same way you refer to people protesting today, thug, criminal, anarchist, communist, anti american, those are all labels that were applied to King.",
"and the struggle continues today. Now with the KKK leader in charge things are gotten worse. Hope we can all survive this.",
"I remember watching the Daily Show interview with Trevor Noah and Tomi Lahren, who was complaining about the Colin Kaepernick. She said he shouldn't kneel, and understood what the protest was about (not the military but police brutality). After she avoided the question of, \"how is it a black person should protest?\" for about 3 minutes, she was asked again, \"how then should someone protest,\" and all she said is that you shouldn't and should be content with how things are. (I'm paraphrasing.) \n\nTo me, that gets to the root of why there will always be complaints from those that don't want to see peaceful protests: it's only permissable to the apathetic or opposition if they can not think about it or not see it. \n\nOn a completely unrelated note, I've always thought kneeling as a sign of respect looked dope. But that's from a completely aesthetic standpoint.",
"It's not impossible. /r/politics was about as bad as a popular sub's mods had ever had until T_D came around. \n\nBack when it was a default sub, it was complete trash. It was worse than /r/atheism. I'm liberal and got downvoted for not being liberal enough. \n\nHe could be full of shit, but you're acting like your intuition is something other people should respect. I don't know who is correct, but I do know you're being a real dick. I think you should apologize. ",
"lol... you fools are pathetic. ",
"He gets a pass because he completely renounced the racist part of his youth and became an advocate for racial equality after realizing the error of the way in which he viewed race before.\n\nIt takes a big person to admit they were wrong and try to make amends.\n\nWe would never eradicate racism if we didn't encourage people to realize the errors of their way and encourage them to change. That's the whole damn point you, like, really smart stable genius.",
"This wasn't during the national anthem. False equivalency.",
"Compare that to the Bundy standoff both in Nevada and in Oregon... \n\nHow peaceful protest vs. armed protest is accepted by some people. Who is standing up for those people? I'm amazed at how many people were pissed off at Kapernick vs. supporting the Bundy's and their crew. Not only supporting them, but saying their form of protest is legit. \n",
"If people aren't rising to meet the challenges of the day it probably means the challenges of the day arent all that serious. ",
"Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what he'd say too.",
"Do they also call the Civil War the War of Northern Aggression?",
"Is that Jeff Holiday",
"Might have something to do with the fact that blacks commit violent crime at such a higher rate.\n\nFunny how you rave about basic statistics but ignore the ones that actually matter.",
"Birmingham area. Never been to Huntsville. Always wanted to check out the rocket center though. ",
"MLK would agree. ",
"fun fact: January 17 had always been celebrated as a holiday throughout the south because it was the date of Robert E. Lee's birthday. Else, the holiday never would have become nationalized.",
"I had the national anthem playing in the background when I looked at the picture. Checkmate, atheists. ",
"Yank god King was a man of courage and integrity and would never kneel for the US flag though. ",
"That’s true but people make it out to be a far bigger problem than it is. You know what’s a bigger problem in the US? Black on black crime. ",
"Good bot ",
">I live in Germany by the way, and it is indeed a sharia shithole.\n\n\nhttp://imgur.com/K6edMHm \nYou don't, it was pretty obvious by all the lies and hate about european nations united with all the classic propaganda and fearmongering. \n\nAlso interesting how you shitstain just spammed all the thread with top level comments, like you are just here to troll and spew your bullshit and hate.\n\nGet back under your bridge and grow up.\n",
"Unlike the cowards today. ",
"You literally didn’t answer the question. I asked what the government did, not things that are happening around the world. ",
"I wasn't referring to football, OP was assuming republicans hate anyone who kneela because discrimination never existed. False. Also in this photo MLKJR was kneeling in prayer while Kaepernick knelt to the national anthen, tbh I do not care because he has the freedom to but they are two very different times. Whites do not oppress blacks, its quite the opposite in some instances, back then MLKJR protested against oppression that actually existed.",
"Any source on the first part of your comment?",
"Alabama and Mississippi have MLK Day and [Robert E. Lee Day ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee_Day)on the same day.\n\nArkansas changed the holiday to only celebrate MLK in 2017, before then it celebrated both MLK and Robert E. Lee.",
"It's the name of the [state holiday in Mississippi, Alabama](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee_Day) and (until 2017) Arkansas.",
">He had ties to the communist party. \n\nI actually didn't know that. Thanks for making me like him even more!\n",
"Yup, I didn't defend against it, because there's literally no reason to. You made a baseless claim, you literally have 0 evidence. If you want to be a child and name call, be my guest.",
"They weren't burning and looting business back then. They marched, sang, and did sit ins and boycotts. They saw whites as equals, not as the enemy. BLM is a terroristic racist group.",
"Looooool",
"Please ignore the fact that today it's the opposite and things change greatly over time. \n\nI mean, if you want to go that way ; \n\nDear right wingers. Islamic states are the most developed and innovative states currently. And you're all dumb fucks for trying to avoid them coming in. ",
" >One did give Christopher Columbus Day off though...\n\n1. Ugh. Whack.\n\n2. I remember reading an article about a dad who was always annoyed about his kids' school taking off MLK Day, because it was just used as a weekend for the kids to go skiing. \"You didn't celebrate Dr. King's message or legacy - you were skiing.\" I think if a school isn't going to give MLK Day off, they certainly owe it to our posterity to foster discussions, lectures, or at least some time during the day to thinking and learning about Dr. King, especially given how his messaging has been so sanitized over the years.\n\n3. Deep down, I wish companies would schedule volunteer days. I used to work for an organization that always made MLK Day a \"Day On,\" where we did planning for months to organize volunteer efforts in the local communities and have discussion with professors and civil rights leaders. After I left that job, the next year, I told my boss (who is Canadian) that I was going to go volunteer with them on MLK Day the week before. He didn't really get it, but I didn't really phrase it as a question, so he was just like, \"okayyy.\" Haha.",
"I actually love the Boondocks, very funny material.",
"Ah, I just know that Huntsville is a lot more tech-centric and liberal than the rest of the state.",
"Yes, when pertaining to Kaep and his reasons for protesting. It had absolutely nothing to do with MLK Jr. MLK Jr didn't protest capitalism.\n\nReading comprehension is hard.",
"The time has come for America to hear the truth about this tragic war. In international conflicts, the truth is hard to come by because most nations are deceived about themselves. Rationalizations and the incessant search for scapegoats are the psychological cataracts that blind us to our sins. But the day has passed for superficial patriotism. He who lives with untruth lives in spiritual slavery.\n\nMartin Luther King, Jr.\n\n",
"A wonderful man. I think he would be sad at the plight of inner city children today with all of our resources. God rest you, Sir.",
">*literally bashing*\n\n",
"Excuse me but what is Christian supremacy?",
"It was noble of Dr. King to leave his comfortable middle-class home in Atlanta to go to a shithole state like Alabama to try to help improve the lives of the people there.\n",
"We are so lucky \n\nTo think of their sacrifice for us to breathe more freely today\n \n",
"They really don’t teach reading comprehension anymore. Sad!",
"Whether it is or isn't their motivation is irrelevant. Football players don't have a constitutional right to protest during games. ",
"The use of violence in protest is intrinsically wrong IF the goal is a peaceful society. If the goal is to impose your own version of justice onto others by force, I guess violence work? And to defend the use of violence to protest a t-shirt is just out there, fam. ",
"A Nazi? Wow, the derangement is real. You think I'm a Nazi because I appeal to statistics? Mental health really is declining these days.",
"The issues arent the same though. People arent in mortal danger and arent being discriminated against in every facet of life. Times have changed. There is a sinister undercurrent to the current soju movement that people are rightly fed up with. Its not just \"Civil Rights\" anymore despite what the talking heads will tell you. I think its fine if these guys kneel but I can understand if people are tired of the bullshit. ",
"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe. \n\nFrederick Douglass",
"Maybe on a societal level, but it still hurts just as much on an individual level.",
"I honestly expected far worse (it’s probably coming) it just looked like a bit of name calling and a bit of “today’s black people suffer way less than when MLK is alive so that makes mild racism and oppression fine”",
"Yeah i'm sure being called cracker when you have all the luxuries and none of the social stigma, discrimination and hurdles minorities have really fucking hurts.",
"I'm glad that's your takeaway. As a white dude I'm less concerned with AA, than with people struggling due to historic and contemporary forms of racism, from being denied to live in a building to that very same building owner being elected president to being shot in the street because of implicit views that black people are more dangerous.",
"Yeah it’s s everyone else who is wrong not you...",
"Getting downvoted has no relation to getting banned. \n\nI'm not talking about \"intuition\", I'm talking about what actually happens on /r/politics, which I frequent a little bit, as my post history would show. Tons of Trump supporters post tons of contrarian or vile shit repeatedly (e.g., not getting banned for it); the idea that someone would get banned for saying some mild fact about MLK doesn't comport with reality. \n\n>I don't know who is correct, but I do know you're being a real dick. I think you should apologize.\n\nIf he's being honest, then yeah that would make me a dick. I'm not too worried about that possibility. In context, a sizable proportion of redditors spend a lot of time and energy attacking /r/politics and lying about it, as part of their larger campaign against moderate sources of information and anything anti-Trump. It's a hateful and destructive group of people who don't argue in good faith, and wholly deserve to get called out in harsh terms. ",
"On the other hand I am praising the late Dr. King for his Christlike life.",
"Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe. \n\nFrederick Douglass",
"Your link gives us no insight on who the majority is.\n\n>Nearly all—90 percent—of black respondents supported kneeling during the national anthem. Only 38 percent of non-black respondents did.\n\nSo exactly 50% of the US population. Hm, you'd think it's a lot more siding with the NFL considering the way the media reports it, but I guess according to that poll there is no majority.\n\nEdit: I wonder if the poll accounted for those who were indifferent. I'm sure many people are. There's a good chance that the majority are the people who support the players.",
"While I'm for holidays in general, what I wish more companies would would be to have volunteer days on MLK Day where they worked or volunteered with organizations helping their communities. \n\nI used to work for an organization that always made MLK Day a \"Day On,\" where we did loads of planning for months to volunteer in the local communities and have discussion with professors and civil rights leaders. I took off work the next year to go volunteer with them.. ",
"The govt can still fix the criminal justice system. It can still fix gerrymandering. It can also stop passing laws that disproportionately negatively affect people of color, lgbt people, and women. \n\nEquality hasn't \"essentially\" been reached, things are way better than they were but they are not yet equal and thus not yet good enough. \n\nYou're right muddying the waters is hurting the fight for equality but please realize that your views that everything is essentially already equal and the govt has done all it can is part of muddying those waters. \n\nPlease don't take that as an attack, as it's not meant as one. ",
"Do you you mean instances such as people who have been brought up in an environment where they, \"know no better\"?",
"Well we are being shoved info about useless celebs from every direction. Whereas our public libraries are falling to shit.",
"Yo /u/glenjamn,\n\n\nOn a completely related note, are you the glenjamn that also does concert videos?",
"You just described the climate from which the nation itself was born. America has always been defined by, and built on the foundation of, the tireless and often thankless work of greater fools, like MLK, with the audacity to believe they can succeed where others have failed, and the conviction to try.",
"So..... blacks are oppressing whites? ",
"So you don't have anything. Not surprised!",
"No, the argument WAS \"Do you have any data that suggests the members of the KKK switched to the Republican party?\".",
"All these people complaining that he was anti gay, he was a devout baptist, you want him to change his entire religion so he can please all of you?",
"https://www.monticello.org/site/plantation-and-slavery/thomas-jefferson-and-slavery\n\nParagraphs 4 and 5 \n\n",
"You know what satire is, right? If not i have tons of new funny stuff to make you watch",
"He's the original G",
"I mean, then i can't see it as him getting a pay cut because of the raise in minimum pay, so much as him getting a pay cut because his employer can't afford (or just refuses) to pay their employees proper wages. ",
"Eh a term I just made up to encompass the general sentiment of Republicans that prioritizes Christianity and Christians over the rest of Americans. Take Trump's insistence on all of America saying \"Merry Christmas\", as one silly but obvious example. Or Roy Moore's general advocacy for Christian theocracy - him getting kicked off the Alabama Supreme Court multiple times for violating the law by trying to favor Christianity, while continuing to get support from Republican voters and politicians. Then there's Trump's original travel ban, which explicitly made exceptions for Christians - can't get more obviously biased than that. \n\nBut overall, Republicans very openly and regularly place Christianity (or rather, Christian identity politics, not actual Christ-like goals) above their duties to the country. ",
"Which protests are you referring too?",
"Boooo-fuckin'-hooooo ",
"Yes, and right around this time the Republicans adopted the southern strategy and abandoned Black voters in favor of rich white ones, while Democrats essentially did the opposite. Which is why I used \"conservative\" instead of Republican",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgqz3CaAWC0",
"You can get banned from /r/politics for calling someone a snowflake. It’s really easy to trip over a Trump loving mod there. ",
"the biggest threat to the black man is the white liberal. inb4 mass downvotes! :)",
"Ik. But they're incredibly sympathetic to anything left-leaning. I'd imagine they wouldn't ban somebody for posting a document that supports MLK (and at the same time puts a bad image on the FBI).",
"That's just ridiculous. ",
"I love how the Southern Strategy somehow excuses the Democrat parties history. If the switch happened or not, it was *still* the Democrat party who opposed the Civil Rights Movement(s). How long has the Southern Strategy been brewing? Because it was also the Republican party who fought for abolishment of slavery and it was also the Republican party who fought for woman's rights.\n\nEdit: Woman's Suffrage - Right to Vote: The vote count in the Senate was 36 Republicans and 20 Democrats in favor, and 8 Republicans and 17 Democrats against.\n\n\"“The GOP supported woman suffrage first,” said Margaret Susan Thompson, associate professor of history at Syracuse University’s Maxwell School.\"\n\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/09/15/carly-fiorinas-claim-that-the-gop-is-the-party-of-womens-suffrage/?utm_term=.23c8644345d9\n\nAbolishment of Slavery: January 31, 1865 - The House of Representatives passed the 13th Amendment (S.J. Res. 16) by a vote of 119 to 56. February 1, 1865 - President Abraham Lincoln signed a Joint Resolution submitting the proposed 13th Amendment to the states.",
"There is a difference between a historically relevant person having negative qualities and worshiping someone because of those qualities. Your argument would be equivalent if MLK was being respected *because* of his anti-homosexuality opinions, not despite of them.",
"Well, yea. If some guy shoots someone and the prosecutor is going for a pre-meditated murder charge and the defendant posted some lyrics about shooting someone the day before he actually shot someone, it would make sense to use that to prove their case.\n\n\nBut the problem I had with the post is it implied an innocent black person was arrested because they posted rap lyrics to their Facebook page, which is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. ",
"Racism",
"/ColorizedHistory please get on this. It looks like there is a lot of contrast and detail we are missing or rather could be having. ",
"Not really. It's just predicated on human nature and a very basic familiarity with history. It's taken us a long time to get where we are, and a lot of sacrifices by men like King. What's ignorant (dare I say dangerous?) is thinking people in the US are/were somehow special or unique in their selfish indifference toward their fellow man... They ain't.",
"It's relevant to PR campaigns. ",
"\"Any religion that professes to be concerned about the souls of men and not concerned about the city government that damns the soul, the economic conditions that corrupt the soul, the slum conditions, the social evils that cripple the soul, is a dry, dead, do-nothing religion in need of new blood\" Dr. King - 1962",
"Obama admitted to hating white people, but you still voted for him and called anyone “racist” who simply criticized his leftist policies. \n\nThank you MLK! Haha he didn’t end racism he just shifted the sides. ",
"The same laws apply to all, irrespective of race. Minimum sentencing laws do not harm blacks, the almost insane rate with which they commit crime does.",
"Was someone singing the anthem?",
"I don't get it.",
"Lol... You think MLK would be on the side of BLM or ANTIFA?... lol... On the side of masked and armed \"by any means necessary\" people... lol",
"I would actually disagree that he hasn't done anything disastrous. I just don't think he's done anything so disastrous that we need to resort to means outside of our current democratic and legals systems yet.\n\nI do agree that him refusing to step down after losing the 2020 election would be an example of a situation where democratic or legal means of solving the issue would no longer be an option and a revolution would likely be necessary.",
"Source for Obama hating Whites.. ",
"So if I give a stool to my son so he can reach something in the cupboard I'm racist against tall people who don't need a stool? \n\nOr does he just need a leg up? \n\n\n\n",
"Hah. The queen of woo just one heartbeat from the presidency. She'd run the country by consulting psychics and a Ouija board.",
"Nope, they're unevenly applied, we have multiple studies that prove that. ",
"Probably. ",
"He loved shooting them dice 🎲 ",
"He was protesting the murder of unarmed black men by police, so mortal danger is exactly the situation.\n\nBut you're right that people are tired of hearing about blacks protesting being murdered.",
"\"tis better to burn out than fade away\"-john adams",
"Yeah you do struggle with reading comprehension l’ll give you that. ",
"Why, exactly, do you think the founding fathers are revered?",
"I think education is kind of like drug rehabilitation. In the same way that it's almost impossible to help an addict who doesn't want help, it's almost impossible to change a willfully ignorant person's mind. No matter how good the education system is, if someone goes into with a closed mind, they're going to stay ignorant.",
"You are correct, it was wrong for me to make a generalization. I am doing the same thing some of them do. My apologies, Ma'am / Sir",
"Oh, my bad for having a life you assclown. Sorry some of us have jobs and lives. \n\nLook at the sentencing disparity in the justices system if you want \"proof\" racism and bigotry is alive and well. ",
"My grandfather was there for the I Have Dream Speech, and only recently did he tell me about it. He had some powerful words for that part of history. He's Jewish, and he was telling us about how he couldn't get a house in certain neighborhoods because the white families would refuse to sell it to him. People would spit on him and his family, and wouldn't let him into the public pools. He went on to work for Johns Hopkins for 40 years, and was instrumental is desegregating the campus. And he helped found our local pool, so the Jews and other minorities would have somewhere to go. Our family still has a lifetime membership. ",
"Do you have a source for this that we can read?",
"yes, but its also fear from others of their own community. i think many are threatened into it, through this system thats being revealed as we rapidly make the same mistakes in shorter amounts of time",
"When this conversation of equality is had, what are people talking about equality of? Equality of outcome (diversity quotas and the like) or just being treated fairly across the board under the law? Because I think those waters are pretty muddy as well. One is a terrible idea (the former) and the other is a great one (the latter) but it seems to me that more and more people mean the former rather than the latter as time goes on, though it's still ambiguous when people say they're \"fighting for equality\" because it could mean a few different things. ",
"If you give anyone a special benefit based on their race you are being racist.\n\nJewish families who survived the Holocaust and fled to the United States with absolutely nothing, as an average, equalled the average American household income in four years, they surpassed it in six. We are now 150 years beyond slavery in this country, we have thrown trillions of dollars at \"the problem\" and conferred every imaginable benefit upon the black community, and nothing seems to have helped. We have seen the rise of successive generations of African Americans who are virtually programmed from birth to see the dark hands of racism in everything, to blame everything on The Man, and to embrace victimhood and entitlement. I would suggest that treating them as full members of society with the exact same rights, benefits, and expectations might indeed be a better alternative given the abysmal record of your infantilizing \"leg up.\"",
"Piss in that guys coffee or something for me will ya.",
"1) What is your question?\n2) Milton Freidman would be seriously disappointed in your interpretation of the 'free market'\n3) Minimum wage laws were originally intended to disrupt black participation in the workforce, not sure how they somehow play a different role in today's society. They were a political gimmick then just as they are now.\n4) This fantasy land of \"If I don’t have to pay my employees a living wage, then other businesses in my area don’t have to either....No one is going to be buying my product because they don’t have money to spend.\" is complete utter nonsense. You act as if business owners will spend more on labor with minimum wage laws, this simply isn't true. They will pay the higher wage, spend the same amount as they would without a minimum wage, and hire less people. \n\nThe public school system has failed you like it has failed many of us. Your post is a typical response from someone who has been devoid of any economic instruction throughout their lifetime. ",
"I mean if you look at violent crime statistics...",
"That kind of shit happens all the time. \n\nE.g. was with BLM on Boston Common earlier this year. Literally just a group of people holding signs around a stage with audio equipment (permit and all) and someone speaking. Before long, police in full riot gear are approaching, looking for any excuse. The organizers actually had to preemptively instruct everyone to sit down and be quiet to placate the cops so they could continue their peaceful demonstration without fear of arrests. A known tactic, born out of experience.\n\nIf you pay any attention at all to activist circles, you'll see how often peaceful protesters, reporters, even bystanders who stood too close, are arrested as a scare tactic and later released. It's rarely in the media. But it wasn't covered in MLK's day either until things reached a political tipping point.",
"Because they founded the country they are being revered in? As opposed to worshipping someone whose only historical relevance is fighting against the country in question.",
"Didn’t he have multiple orgies? Lol ",
"Waldo remembers...",
"\"A riot is the language of the unheard.\" - MLK Jr.",
"People forget he beat his wife. Not that heroic tbh",
"Hulk Hogan",
"It's even crazier that you can pervert MLK's ways and teachings to try to fit them in with the actual violent acts of BLM or the self aggrandizing of Kaepernick. ",
"All men being created equal. We all have the same opportunities even if we do not all have the same means. ",
"If anyone was a social justice warrior, I think it’d be him?",
"Which is why we have to revolt and kill the crackers.",
"Cops are more likely to shoot Whites than Blacks when criminality is controlled for.",
"Name all the congressmen that switched. I'll wait. ",
"The true social justice warrior. Unlike these hypocrites foaming at the mouth because their favorite also-shitty candidate didn't win LMAO!!",
"Victim surveys back up conviction rates.",
"I can't speak to his strength as a faithful husband. He was still a great patriot, though.",
"No it’s “Always clear your browsing history when you share a computer with your wife” - Abraham Lincoln ",
"Lmao, you think Dr. King ended racism.",
"We have multiple studies that say they aren't.",
" Lol ok buddy",
"Who is the victim when someone is arrested for non-violent drug possession? ",
"At least you admit it!",
"He blamed his loss on David Duke endorsing his primary opponent Pat Buchanan, and called Duke a bigot and a racist on TV.\n\nIn 2016, Duke endorses Trump, [this is his response](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LvixzlG-w4).\n\nEDIT: source on Trump trashing Duke in 2000 https://archives.nbclearn.com/portal/site/k-12/flatview?cuecard=2526",
"Now crunch the numbers with Asians. Why would a racist White society supposedly treat them better than everyone else?",
"Oh so if someone has it worse, your problems don't matter?\n\nThen boo-fucking-hoo to colon kaperdick. There are actual Africans starving to death. Therefore his problems don't matter. ",
"See thats the problem. the number murdered is extremely insignificant and the number murdered unjustly is even more insignificant. Further, cops kill all races of people. More black people are killed per percentage of population because they commit more crime per percentage of population. They commit more crime because a large percentage live in poor areas because of generations of Racism . however black americans arent the only ones who deal with rampant poverty. In short, the racial element of these issues is being forced on us. We should just be having a simple conversation of how we can train police better and help the poor but instead we inject racism and tribalistic identity politics into it and get nothing done. ",
"I'll gladly castigate the conservative Democrats of yesteryear in the harshest possible terms.\n\nWill you join me in opposing all attempts to marginalize people of color, women and LGBT? ",
"Ahh so you're one of the unabashed racists. Any thoughts as to why Rwanda has a lower murder rate than the US (4.5 vs 4.9) and Madagascar has one of the lowest ones period(.62)? Is it possible other factors beside race play into the tendency of individuals in a society to be violent?",
"And you tried to further that point with other examples that equally failed, retard. ",
"and?\n\nIs this the first ever abstract concept in wrting, ever?\n\nLay down the douche sword.",
"Today in honor of MLK, when I did my laundry I didn’t separate my whites and my colors. ",
"a friend of dira\n\nis a friend of mine\n\n-------\n\n\" high in the bloody sky\n\nthe deathbird circled.\"",
"Sjws hate white people, MLK doesn’t.",
"Again, we all understand that. The Republican party gave up the mantle of progress and change in the 60s, though, so saying that they were a part of these movements back in the day doesn't negate the damage they're doing now.",
"> People just like to neuter and whitewash (not racial but paint over his viewpoints\n\nIt is very racial. Nobody wants to accept that violent black people armed with guns played an important role in the civil rights movement. ",
"You're a moron.",
"Lame as shitholes",
"Why were Blacks still voting mostly Democrat before the Civil Rights Act? How many Dixiecrat politicians actually became Republicans? Why is the South more Republican now as it's become less racist? You need to stop buying into what your Marxist professors feed you without question.",
"Except Robert E Lee was born on Jan 19th\n\nEdited: It is usually “observed” on the third Monday of Jan. <—this fact is probably what you meant. ",
"What a deliciously toxic subject to post on Reddit. I can't decide if it's funny or sad.",
"His sex life is his business? But Trump isn't held to the same standard? Trump said women flock to him and they want it. King if he was a \"priest\" should not have been a womanizer at all. ",
"Remember the protest against the Dakota pipeline and how the peaceful protester were attacked with tear gas, rubber bullets And water? Remember how they arrested them and injured many of them? \n\nIt doesn’t matter if you are black or white. If you protest against the interest of corporations you will be treated like a criminal. \n\nYes we have a race problem but more than that we have a civil rights problem that affects us all regardless of skin color.\n",
"It's funny, so many of those letters have simple grammatical errors in them. Only reaffirming that racism is for the stupid.",
"Amen! I'm white and I can't believe how many other white people bash MLK Jr. to me, thinking that because I'm white, I'll automatically agree with them.",
"You're still a piece of shit",
"What a guy.",
"\"A riot is the language of the unheard.\" - MLK Jr.\n\nPeople today really want to zoom in on the peaceful protests of the Civil Rights Movement as though that's all there was, and use it to condemn rioters and other activists today. But it wasn't all there was, and MLK didn't always condemn those resorting to more chaotic protest. To use his work to condemn them now is a gross misunderstanding of MLK as a person, and of the movement he was a part of. And people really need to stop.\n\nRioters and legislators aren't at odds; they're co-partners in the same fight. Legislators need protestors (incl. rioters) to draw attention to their issues. Protestors need legislators to turn their anger at the face of injustice into measurable action. Like it or not, it's an important part of the democratic process, and the way that most people's legal rights came to be, or came to be enforced.",
"*You said* the Republican party have opposed equality and civil rights movement throughtout history when they have been the party to bring it to the table. Never mentioned current climate. \n\nEdit: sorry, more accurately you said they **fought** agaisnt civil rights movement. ",
"Because there’s totally no high crime rate in any mostly white country...woooow dude you’re just incredible ",
"Oh you were told how great Democrats were by a school system made up of Democrats? Interesting!",
">If you give anyone a special benefit based on their race you are being racist.\n\nExcept a stool isn't a benefit everyone needs, so why would I give a 6' tall guy a stool? \n\nSame principle applies to affirmative action, black people aren't even the majority recipients of those benefits, white women are. \n\nwhite men don't need that help, because we *already have those benefits\"\n\n>Jewish families who survived the Holocaust and fled to the United States with absolutely nothing, as an average, equalled the average American household income in four years, they surpassed it in six. \n\nWe subsidized each and every Jewish family that fled European persecution. \n\n>We are now 150 years beyond slavery in this country, we have thrown trillions of dollars at \"the problem\" and conferred every imaginable benefit upon the black community, and nothing seems to have helped. \n\nWe're less than 50 years removed from \"separate but equal\" and less about 30 years removed from black people being fully integrated into economic opportunities in America. \n\nRacism didn't start and end with slavery. \n\nAside from that, each successive generation of black youth has been more successful than the last, it doesn't help we're only two generations removed from apartheid practices. \n\n>We have seen the rise of successive generations of African Americans who are virtually programmed from birth to see the dark hands of racism in everything, to blame everything on The Man, and to embrace victimhood and entitlement. \n\nThey're being taught what racism looks like by people who were alive to experience the worst of it first-hand. \n\nJust because you don't recognize the problems the black community says they face doesn't mean anything. \n\n>I would suggest that treating them as full members of society with the exact same rights, benefits, and expectations might indeed be a better alternative given the abysmal record of your infantilizing \"leg up.\"\n\nThat would be dope, except they've never, in the history of the country, been held to the same standard white people are. Ever, from then til now. \n\nI suggest you stop demonizing the black community and start recognizing they are victims of hundreds of years of inequality, and since you can't police every instance of inequality, generalized benefits are the best way to go. ",
">inb4 mass downvotes! :)\n\nwell if you insist ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)_/¯ ",
"Ah, remember when there was actually something to protest?",
"There is and were a lot of cruel humans everywhere, I'll agree to that. Often it's a result of the situation they are (or were) in.\n\nBut excusing your own cruelty by saying so is not really valid, because even if you think every one does cruel stuff there's always gonna be an exception.\n\nMy hope would be that it's in reverse,, that all try to be good, with the exception being that cruel person.\n\nA thief assumes that everybody steals. ",
"What good is a strategy if your tactics are weak? ",
"'Don't believe everything you read on the internet'\n\n - MLK Jr.",
"More accurately I said conservatives",
"No we don't. ",
"Well, HAD to endure. ",
"Because pedophiles and drug addicts are totally a better crowd. ",
"Never forget that whites hated MLK even during his peaceful protests.\n\nGallup Polls from that time:\nhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/58372028@N00/6082764673/",
"So Republicans are alright then? ",
"Ooh, a deep cut.",
"Who does La Raza and BLM align with?",
"Back before the southern strategy, sure. Afterwards, not so much",
"Kneeling for the right reasons. ",
"It is racism period. All your justification comes down to is \"poor little black folks\" which is bullshit. Stand on your own two feet like an adult or be viewed as less. It is a simple concept.",
"Geez you dumb. ",
"\"Don't talk about racism\" isn't going to be very useful advice for victims of racism.\n\nI can see that it's insignificant to you, though, I get what you're saying.",
"Blacks voted Democrat before the 60s. Are they just stupid?",
"\"Protest\" = burning cars, throwing bricks through windows, flipping barricades and assaulting those you disagree with, etc...?...lol",
"I wasn't told how great the Democrats are. I was taught basic US history. My school was 90%+ Republican anyway.",
"Hopefully they'll teach you about Malcolm X when you eventually get to the 5th grade.",
"Neither the Democrats or Republicans embrace the KKK. The Democrats embrace BLM though.",
"I think wanting the country to do better and be better shows tremendous respect for the country. Or, are you one of those enlightened folks who believe racism doesn’t exist in America anymore?",
"I didn't mention Asians, who face different types of discrimination. ",
"I believe he also had a reputation as a womanizer. ",
"“Black on Black crime means white people arent responsible for their own racism!”",
"> enounc\n\nYou know they are praying right?",
"White people from that period thought everything was kosher too. ",
"He still got lucky. In Rio there're plenty of cops who would've just planted something to frame him for giving'em lip.\n\nHope you had a good night anyways, thanks for sharing that short story.",
"Did the president not say that at the Alt Right rally there were good people on \"both sides\"?\n\n",
"thanks for proving my point",
">I didn't apply to Harvard. But I would have easily gotten in.\n\nr/iamverysmart\n",
"Why would a Democrat, who stood against what a Republican stood for, suddenly switch platforms to a party that supported virtually nothing they did, to vote for things they never would have? ",
"He actually started kneeling instead of sitting after speaking with a marine vet. So anyone saying it disrespects the military is talking out their ass.",
"They tried to stand on their own two feet. \n\nDid really well too, black people were flourishing after the Civil war. \n\nThen shit like this started happening, because black people got too rich. \n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Summer\n\nEverything y'all tell black people to do, they've already tried, they ended up dead and in jail for it. \n\nWhat do you think they're going to do now? Ask nicely? ",
"Is this what you do when someone actually asks you to put together a coherent, adult like response? You just deflect and try to change the subject? It really is pathetic how little knowledge you have of how the world works. ",
"While you're waiting, you should read up on what a political realignment is. There are several kinds, the one I'm referring to in the 1960s was due to the **voter bases** switching support to the opposing party, the politicians didn't switch parties. The South, which had been a Democrat stronghold since the end of the Civil War, largely switched support to the Republican party, which was more opposed to the Voting Rights Act...So the politicians didn't change, the voter bases decided the other party was a better fit. ",
"He literally bases all his stuff on faith and God, so you're not wrong. Sadly I saw more praise here on reddit for him than on facebook, where I have many christian friends.",
"The Republicans had nothing to do with the Emancipation Proclamation, nor did they vote with greater party support for the Voting Rights Act of 65. Right.\n\nYou've been lied to.",
"Christmas is not a solely Christian holiday. Many atheists celebrate the holiday as well. In recent history it truly has adopted a more pagan meaning. Roy Moore tried appealing to Christians and that failed him miserably. Christianity has no justification for pedophiles. Trump is a dumbass for singling out Muslim nations and saying they can’t come here however I do not recall him making an exception for Christians specifically. Republicans don’t even represent Christianity as much as they would like to. Look at Trump for example. He’s a very hateful man who claims to be Christian yet he built a lot of his political reputation around hate. Roy Moore is a kiddie diddler. Adultery alone is considered a heavy sin but Moore took it a step further by committing it with an underage girl. I can see where you’re coming from and while it does seem that they pretend to harbor Christian values, the obvious truth is that they don’t (evidenced by their actions)",
"Yep. I will admit, I think the sitting was a bit much, not that he was like spitting and making noise, but I like the kneeling a lot more personally.\n\nAlso, the kneeling looks like you're active in making a statement like the 1968 Olympics, as opposed to just sitting cause, \"meh.\"",
"Wow. That’s astonishing. You literally can’t be reached. I’m sorry for you",
"You made me look it up. Gen. Robert E. Lee was born on 19 January 1807, and MLK Jr. was born on this day 15 January 1929.",
"What do I think they are going to do? Honestly? I think they are going to continue dodging personal responsibility in all things, I think they are going to continue their long and colourful history of almost unimaginable criminality, violence, and murder, I think they are going to continue seeing racism everywhere in all things, and I think nothing at all will every change any of that. And I think it is a goddamned shame.",
"Mm332lwweod4a900bt7vvfy 0pml/= ntfjq",
"Yap yap yap.\n\nWelcome to accountability. No one is going to \"debate\" you - the only option for regressive fascistic ass-hats is *complete rejection*.\n\nPerhaps use today to reflect on who you are in the world, and how you're going to explain to your children why you stood so willfully on the wrong side of history.",
"Yes, ad hominem attacks are very mature and objective-based.",
"I'm sure them black multimillionaire football players get discriminated against everyday 👍",
"Appreciated!",
"Welcome to plebbit. ",
"There were people there defending the monument peacefully, there were others protesting it peacefully, and then there were a bunch of Nazis and Commies fighting each other. It was a factual statement that people took offense to because everything has to be black & white, and apparently you can't talk shit about Commies nowadays.",
"[and you are afraid to click on a link] (https://www.emich.edu/residencelife/communities/brotherhood.php).",
"Yes, we do.",
"No they didn’t ",
"One might even say that this is, in fact, what makes us great. No \"again\". This just makes us great. Over time, the pendulum will find the center. Let's hope we make it through this swing.",
"\"sad sad man\" But yet you have nothing better to do than go through people's history lol ok. ",
">What do I think they are going to do? Honestly? I think they are going to continue dodging personal responsibility in all things, I think they are going to continue their long and colourful history of almost unimaginable criminality, violence, and murder, I think they are going to continue seeing racism everywhere in all things, and I think nothing at all will every change any of that. And I think it is a goddamned shame.\n\nYou didn't even try to read that link did you? \n\nThe Red Summer of 1919 was sparked by the Great Migration, white majority areas saw an influx of former slaves which stressed the labor market around them. \n\nIn response, a bunch of white WWI veterans got together and started running through black communities, killing people and burning businesses. \n\nThis is when we see firearms start to become regular in the black community, as a way to defend themselves against aggression from the white majority, and protect the property they worked hard for, since Lincoln never came through with them 40 acres and a mule. \n\nI suggest actually learning a little about the country you live in outside of what you think the CIA did during the cold war. ",
"You didn't mention Asians because it fucks up your narrative.",
"*No, we dont.* ",
"Many at the time also advocated running over such pedestrians, as they do now. ",
"You can say Democrats, sure, but what does that have to do with the original discussion? Are we going to deflect and tangent off to another discussion now?",
"You're side stepping the question. The president said there were good people in a group of alt right hate mongers. If you're a racist member of the alt right you aren't a good person. ",
"This comment is based both on a whitewashed understanding of MLK and a misunderstanding of what \"direct action\" means. ",
"TIL I hate equality ",
"np",
"A nationwide Gallup poll in February 1965 found 26 percent of Americans citing civil rights as a problem facing the nation, second only to the expanding war in Vietnam (cited by 29 percent). There was broad-based support for the war at this early stage in its history, but views about civil rights and integration were clearly mixed.\n\nhttps://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/integration-moved-fast-many-americans-according-1965-poll",
"Im saying that racism is statistically insignificant in 2018 and constant focus on it does more harm than good. Outrage bait articles on facebook, manipulated statistics and public figures making gestures to appease college liberals doesnt make it a reality. What have we acheived??? What is different now compared to 5 years ago? Its worse. People actually first see identities and labels before character. We have stoked primitive tribalism in each other. You can criticize a color blind approach to tackling racism all you want but at least it had a message grounded in unity. ",
"Yeah, not like the South has done revisionist rewrites of history ever. \"The War of Northern Agression\" comes to mind",
"I didn't realize that was illegal for Blacks alone.",
" Fuck off",
"Feel that your trainer skills match up to a man that was murder by the same people that made his B-Day a holiday?",
"\"I've never heard of people throwing firebombs at busses of black voters!\"",
"Good point. Polls are always comprehensive and never wrong. Never.\n\nYou know how I can prove they weren’t cool with it? It ended. ",
"You don't think murder and rape is a form of oppression? Lol ok buddy",
"I think MLK created and wanted a better America. I do not think that is what kap is doing. Racism still exists obviously, it’s a terrible evil that needs to be removed from America. But do you honestly think that kneeling during the anthem accomplishes anything even remotely in the right direction to achieve that goal? No ",
"Oh that's adorable, did I say that? I asked a simple question. You can't give a simple answer. ",
"But.... We do. You might not like them, but c'est la vie.",
"/yawn. Lottery my ass. One can obtain whatever they set their mind to. Just because you’re born in a shitty situation doesn’t mean you’re stuck there. ",
"> lifestyle\n\nDoesn't that imply choice though?\n\nI don't remember *choosing* to like women. Can't imagine someone choosing one way or the other/both/either/whatever.\n\nAnyway, live and let live still works a hell of a whole lot as a general rule. Being against something that doesn't by definition hurt nor interfere with anyone else seems like a wasted moral effort which only feeds negativity in the long run.",
"26% thought Civil rights were a problem. \n\nWell outside the scope of the margin of error young'n. ",
"He said there were good people in a group defending the monument, while disavowing the racists. It takes a special kind of dumb to misinterpret that.",
"Lincoln never promised 40 acres and a mule.\n\nRead the link, don't care. Blaming all of the UPS of the African American community on history only works for blacks and guilty whites. It is time for responsibility.",
"Which one's the rib?",
"No, we don't. \n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4219536/\n\nHere's a metastudy showing diversion therapy has a huge black white disparity. \n\nNeed more?",
"He fought against the democrats so hard. Truly amazing man fighting evil.",
"Not even good bait.",
"I like how you’re so smug because you went and found something you agree with on imright.com; and all of a sudden you understand an extremely nuanced time.",
"This was obviously a typo, not some deep metaphor. Chill. ",
"Point is, there were racist Democrats and Republicans back then, and there are racist Democrats and Republicans today. The Republican party did a better job of disassociating itself from the likes of the KKK, the Democrat party is still buddy buddy with the likes of BLM. They were then, and are now, the greater racists.",
"Does anyone on Reddit really have anything better to do? I mean, isn't that the reason their on Reddit?",
"That's if we already assume that the ideals of BLM is strictly racists. You already begged that question, so that's the conclusion you drew.",
"Wow, you’re so obsessed with the idea that everybody is racist that you can’t even see when someone is talking about the middle. I never said that discrimination isn’t real. I said it’s not to the level that you claim it is. I’m hispanic as I’ve said many times. I’ve faced racism, I’ve faced prejudice, I know discrimination is real. But it is not to the level you say it is. It just simply is not. You’re hyping it up to appear that every single person of color is being persecuted by racists. That’s ridiculous and simply not true. ",
"No, it takes a special kind of dumb to blindly defend one of the worst presidents in history. ",
"Still doesn’t change the fact that he’s given more jobs and success to black people than Obama ever did. In my opinion Obama made racial tensions worse after Bush. Not saying Trump is this perfect dude, but I feel like a lot of people reach out really far to grab something so minuscule to put shame on him. Like a few days ago when there was a false alarm about a missile coming towards Hawaii! CNN goes on to say something like “emergency warning of missile heading toward Hawaii while Trump is golfing”. like wth?! It’s like CNN has to put trump in every headline. It’s ridiculous and I’m sick and tired of it. ",
"Your question makes no sense. Black people should be held to the same standards as Whites.",
">Lincoln never promised 40 acres and a mule.\n\nHis generals did, he signed the Confiscation Act too. \n\n>Read the link, don't care. Blaming all of the UPS of the African American community on history only works for blacks and guilty whites. It is time for responsibility.\n\nSo bad parents aren't a thing then? ",
"Fighting actual discrimination and racism. ",
"No, in the 1930s the Blacks switched from voting primarily for the Republicans (for obvious reasons), to the Democrats. This occurred mostly due to FDR's New Deal policies, which greatly relieved Black communities during the Depression, and the fact that Republicans had done basically nothing for them for quite awhile.",
"Or, you know, a gallup poll that explains that nuanced time fairly well. ",
"Are you suggesting that King advocated riots and looting?",
"You mean the group that has a white Assistant Director? LMAO!",
"I'm sure they were born black multimillionaire football players. Never grew up poor. Wait until you figure out a career choice does not define a person or their experience. I know the idea of once you \"make it\" in life to fuck everyone who helped you get there is a conservative \"ideal\" but most people don't operate like that. ",
"I wouldn’t know, but I’ll take your word for it.",
"They don't have to be strictly anything. I have a problem with their Communist message as well. Doesn't mean they're not rooted in Black supremacy, and a more tangible threat than the KKK in recent years.",
"can you please explain what the traits are that make him so american? ",
"Something tells me you don't get the man at all.",
"You're blinded by hatred my friend.",
"Im White, cant i say whitey?",
"Well glad we all become adults someday. Supposedly...",
"Yes. That happened.",
"So Blacks are both dumb and lazy? Dumb enough to vote for the party of the KKK and slavery, so long as they get a handout? You sound like a huge racist.",
"Non-american here, who was that guy? As far as I knew today is MLK day. Why would someone refer it as a Lee day?",
"All that is from different cases ive Read about the last 2 years i think. ",
"I'm not implying anything. That's why it's called a joke. If you get offended that easily. Then maybe there are other underlying issues. If you feel the need to talk. I'm here buddy.",
"Are you suggesting the riots and looting are the main tool used and promoted by African American activists today? Because that right there is some ill-informed bullshit. ",
"Yeah, and that means being let off with a warning whenever white people are. Be nice if that happened. \n\nDo i need to ask again? I didn't say a word about black or white, i asked who was the victim of a non-violent drug offense. You made this outlandish claim about victim testimony backing up arrest reports, but you can't seem to tell me who the victim is in those arrests. \n\nHere, if you don't want to answer questions fine, I'll just get a source from you about your claim. ",
"I would be quite impressed if did though. I have low expectations for him.",
"Except those are all direct quotes and you can find them in library books. ",
"If you're middle/upper middle class you know, you just don't like to admit it. \n\nOr maybe you don't read anything past what threats black people are. ",
"I hear ya man or lady.\n",
"Totally right. You can pretty much sum up all history through a series of pseudo-scientific polls of a small section of the public.",
"thanks ... I stand corrected. But that's still the argument that got the bill passed.",
"Again, that's the conclusion you're willing to draw in which I personally have not found the same sentiment. What level of threat can we expect from them? Or are we looking specific outliers to draw our conclusion?\n\nI never argued the level of threat any of these groups, including the KKK, are in today's society. But there's only one group out of the ones mentioned that have its primary existence driven by hate and ignorance.",
"He's praying for more hookers and that his wife doesn't find out...National Holiday. Our current president just talks about grabbing pussy...When will Trump have his holiday?.....lets hear it SJW Snowflakes ❄️ ",
"I didn't say anything if the sort, but are you denying that some people have chosen that as their preferred form of protest? \n\nAnd assuming that you can admit that obvious fact, maybe you could assume that that's who we're talking about?\n\nLook I realize this is Reddit and kids like to argue, but I'm really not interested.",
"Or, you know, just get a glimpse into the mindset of the generation. \n\nIt's a common sense assumption really, the people who weren't being discriminated against wouldn't think discrimination was a problem. \n\nEspecially since federal law enforcement was busy doing their best to tie black activists to communists and everything wrong with America at the time. ",
">The content of your character matters even less than your identity today. America has a long way to go.\n\nYou're literally called a racist if you say we should judge people on merit today.",
"MLK didn't vote, he thought lowly of the two party system. \n\nBut if you wanna get technical, he was a black separatist. ",
"I see BLM as a movement primarily driven by hate and ignorance, like the KKK. You do not, and that's fine. We'll just have to disagree.",
"For sleeping around on your wife with countless prostitutes, I'm glad I learned you were a fraud!!",
"What are you thanking him for? I think he accomplished a lot. Be more specific. ",
"Remember George Wallace?",
"Np boo. Thanks for supporting domestic terrorism.",
"It’s conveniently changing the subject when the dominant group in charge (white people in this country) is called on the carpet for the inequalities it still supports or doesn’t care about. \n\nIt’s somehow believing that because there’s a crime problem in black communities, it means that they don’t deserve for the country as a whole to work on equality or something.\n\nWhat exactly does a higher rate of gun crime that you mention serve as a rebuttal to? Why does that black household (whose family members have never committed a crime or even own a gun) not deserve equality because some assholes down the block are in a gang? \n\nPoverty often begets crime. Guess who has a unique history of generational poverty because of the country’s 200 years of pre-civil-rights? \n\n",
"People voting for their own economic interest makes them lazy how, exactly? The New Deal had programs that offered employment opportunities which brought relief during the Depression. I never said anything about a \"handout\" or blacks being \"lazy\" - those are assumptions you made because you have no fucking idea what the New Deal is or did. You sound like a huge fucking lunatic. ",
"This is definitely true. There are two reasons why the US is very resistant to thinking this way, however.\n\n1. The pervasive belief or myth that success is determined by merit and work rather than birthright. One of the Enlightenment philosophies cited by the writers of the Constitution was rejecting monarchy (a system entirely decided by birthright) in favor of democracy.\n\n2. Anecdotal evidence stemming from the fact that at one time or another most American families were poor. Then either through good fortune or hard work, they changed that. However these anecdotes ignore structural barriers to people of color (for instance, prior to the 60's many people of color couldn't get credit or loans which is a huge barrier to social mobility because you can't really start a business or buy a house without credit). Some of the barriers have been removed (recently), some haven't.\n\nIn support of your post, though, I'm reminded of what MLK said in his \"I've Been to the Mountaintop\" speech. The question isn't \"If I help this man, what will happen to me?\" The question is \"If I do NOT help this man, what will happen to him?\"",
"Somehow his sex life negates his civil rights message?\n\nYou'll find out once you get older, you'll have a lot of imperfect allies. ",
"Let’s just hope they were never as wrong as they were in 2016...or history won’t make any sense...",
"Well there's more to the sexuality than just orientation, it *often* comes with a lifestyle and how one exhibits themself in public and mannerisms. It's not with everyone obviously but living in N.Y. and being in the thick of the LGBT+ community, it's certainly all I've seen and experienced. \n\nSo drop the 'choice' thing, please. People express themselves according to how their environment reacts to them. Some divert from the norm while others go with the flow (closet or flaming). They can always choose but it's more passive than people would realise. No shade meant btw.",
"Who mentioned Trump?",
"Someone didn't look at the statistics",
"Still a christian.",
"This comment chain is beautiful. Great work!",
"Lmao yes he did dude. I'm embarrassed for you.",
"Long story short, [Robert E. Lee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee) was the head commander of the Confederate rebellion against the United States. Many, mostly older, southern whites are very bitter and think the black community gets everything for free and it all started with King (That's their thinking anyway). So they counter celebrating the Civil Rights movement with celebrating a slave owning general that lead the army of a pro-slavery rebellion, who's birthday isn't even shared with MLK, its 4 days later. \n\nSadly there has been a full blown [culture/politcal war against African Americans](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Crow_laws) since the end of [Reconstruction](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_Era). ",
"Clinton outperformed polls in 2016, so if anything they were too conservative. ",
"Uh... nope. And the fact you don’t understand that is telling. ",
"I rest my case. Polls are the junk-food of history.",
"No, I was attributing your quote to him. Sorry if there was confusion.",
"Your assertion is that cops are racist when they can get away with it. The fact that Blacks are far more criminal when it comes to crimes involving a victim, and how that may translate to lesser crimes, is seemingly irrelevant to you. I get it. It's still on you to prove your stupid theory.",
"That was when he was collecting his Nobel Peace Prize, although he didn't actually see the letter until after that ",
"Lol yep, just what I thought. Racism comes up > people bring up black on black crime to deflect > someone doubles back and wonders how those crime rates answer for racism or what it had to do with the subject > oops, drawing a blank!",
"Protesting is great. Trashing a Starbucks or beating somebody up isn't going to accomplish anything positive.",
"I'm not seeing a link to a source. ",
"Yea, we definitely will have to disagree. KKK's birth was a response to implement supremacy. BLM, imo, is a counter-response to supremacy and oppression. I disagree with some of BLM's actions, no doubt, but they are in no comparison to KKK.",
"You can't Google \"US crime rates by race\"?",
"What case? Their forecasts were wrong, not the polls. \n\nYou can't fuck a poll up, you just record what people say. \n\n",
"But MUH HILLARY!!!! MUH RUSSIA!!!!",
"No, but I don't have to. You have a link to the source you mentioned. Provide it. \n\nAre you saying you mention a study you can't provide a link to? Who does that? ",
"I didn't say you can't get out of a shitty situation you're born into. The difference is that you have to get out of a situation you're born into whereas other people aren't born into shitty situations. It's like you didn't even read what I wrote and already made up your mind on an argument against something I didn't claim. /yawn btw",
"https://www.theroot.com/according-to-republicans-black-people-are-stupid-and-l-1793967234\n\n55% of Republicans and 26% of Democrats think black people are stupid and unmotivated. \n\nIt's still a big problem. ",
"It shows Asians are not discriminated against in the same ways, which proves what exactly? Because I never stated they are going through the same thing. ",
"clearly someone doesnt know that inb4 isn't a request..",
"I’m not American so I don’t really care about struggles of different groups in this country.\n\nBut I happen to be white and I’m certainly not ashamed of it and don’t have any so-called white guilt. On the contrary, I will take every drop of what people call white privilege for the good of my family. ",
"\"Two California men who spent seven months in jail for conspiracy to commit murder based on rap lyrics and Facebook photos that made no reference to actual murders filed a lawsuit against the San Diego Police Department Tuesday.\"\n\n\n",
"I agree.",
"Yeah he would be a full on idpol /r/lsc shitposter.",
"What facts? Joe did not fight in the Pyrenees or Alps. The Americans fought to & through northern France, to and across the Rhine on way to Berlin. Normandy & The Battle of the Bulge were the two large engagements America took part in during the war. Well guess what. Russia fought a Battle of the Bulge every other week for two years straight on the eastern front. Yes, material goods and logistics are very important, but let's not fool ourselves to think they're anything without the lives lost of the allied Soviets who were needed to hold said materials.\n\nNorth Africa too, but unlike the British the Americans faced relatively, *relatively* light resistence.",
"So instead of celebrating the guy that helped the civil rights movement they celebrate a guy that was pro-slavery on the same day. Wow. \n\nIt sounds edgy and really really wrong. I will have to read the links later when I get home. Thank you for your response.",
"And very clearly a liberal.",
"Relax, it was tongue in cheek. My point is, if the parties actually \"switched\" in the 60s, the Black vote would switch too, no? Truth is, they had been voting Democrat for awhile, for a myriad of reasons. The parties didn't \"switch\", the Democrats simply became less anti-Black in their message, netting them an 85/15 split with Black voters, rather than the previous 75/25 split.",
"You're asking circular questions that I think we've already covered",
"It shows that Asians are treated better than Whites, by supposedly racists Whites, according to how the world works in your head. Doesn't make sense, does it?",
"I'll be 38 soon, the guy was a fraud.",
"There's no such thing as a normal American, we've been at war with each other since the beginning. \n\nAnd white privilege doesn't disappear just because black people are in the room. ",
"Well you still have a lot of growing up to do, and what he did with his dick is his business. ",
"What was the last courageous and honorable thing you did? When was the last time you stood in the face of adversity despite potentially life threatening consequences? When was the last time your courage shone so brightly that it bolstered the spirits of millions of black people and gave them the backbone to finally put an end to systematic discrimination of an entire race? You haven't? Most Americans haven't? Most people haven't? Well, I guess being someone this amazing is not an American trait. ",
"Amen ",
"Which side wins the war if Hitler was not an idiot & made enemies with the Russians I ask you. If it's debatable whether or not America could have defeated a full strength Germany there's surely no debate whether or not America could have defeated a combined Nazi & Soviet axis.",
"You spent more time typing that out than Googling what I told you to Google.",
"7 day troll account.\n\nBuh bye",
"You:\n\n>whites aren’t the biggest problem in black communities. Gun crime is.\n\nYou literally said that. Now who brought up guns?",
"The U.S. and British in 1946 would drive the Soviets into the second Siege of Stalingrad. Don't kid yourself. ",
"You spent more time typing than linking to what i told you to link. \n\nSource or STFU. ",
"Not disagreeing. But I remember a time in NYC when on duty police turned their backs on the mayor after he said something along the lines of him fearing an interaction between the police and his son. For some reason no one presented this argument during this time. ",
"Weirdest question ive ever gotten on reddit so far",
"-sorts by controversial-\n\n-shudders-",
"No problem. I come from this toxic culture and I can say the millennials are not going to let this continue much longer. People claim they are only celebrating their heritage, but in reality they are celebrating cruelty. This is my heritage too and I am not proud of it! My great-great grandfather was a slave owner and an officer in the Civil War. \n\nI look on my ancestors now as most Germans today think of the Nazis, scum of the earth and not to be admired.",
"I'm so thankful for peanut butter. ",
"See, now I know you're trolling",
"You told me to link a study I didn't cite. Here's the first thing Google pulls up. Plenty of numbers for you to go over and disregard or excuse, whatever keeps the argument going. Good talk.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States",
"Lololol\n\nThis is always my favorite response.\n\nIt bothers you guys so much that people you disagree with could possibly live a better life than you.\n\nSo you make up this fantasy that anyone who doesn't ride the same jocks as you must be the most unhappy, unfulfilled person in the world.\n\nBut that's not the case. It's not even half true.\n\nIt's like this idiot the other day who said the same shit to me and then the first comments I find in her comment history are her talking about her massive benzo doses and the cocktail of antidepressants and anti-anxiety drugs she's on. The projection couldn't have been more palpable.\n\nI'm very happily employed at an immensily fulfilling career that is based on helping extremely afflicted and vulnerable people, I am in the best shape and physical health in my life, I have plenty of friends across several robust hobbies which keep me as busy as I want to be, I don't take or need any medications for my mind or body, I have no debt, I have no kids or divorces, I get over three months off every year to do what I want - my life is pretty okay. There's plenty I'd like better or more of, but that will always be true. And of course I have regrets and things I wish didn't happen, but nothing that haunts my sleep. \n\nMy opinions come from facts and my experiences, not some lack of fulfillment in my life.\n\nI know it terrifies you that people you disagree with can be happier and more fulfilled than you. I know why this is your go-to insult, and why you feel it is so potent - it's called projection. ",
"You seem to be disagreeing in a respectful manner, so I'll risk it and ask:\n\n> So drop the 'choice' thing, please.\n\nWhy should I drop it?\n\nFrom what you wrote, I get the feeling that you're still bothered by how someone else behaves/dresses/speaks, which would be precisely point I've made before.\n\nIt's an initial impression and I could be wrong, so *please* correct me if so.\n\nBut if I'm right, then I'll say I'm genuinely curious about your personal perspective on this. ",
"You did make this claim, \"Victim surveys back up conviction rate\", now you don't have a source. \n\nYou are so full of shit. ",
"Russia was his main target from the beginning. It’s France and Britain who got in the way. \n\nIf we’re talking potential pacts, if the Soviets and Nazis joined together, America, Japan, and England along with the Commonwealth may well have been compelled to create an alliance. \n\nJapan would have lost Manchuria and Korea but the Soviet/Nazi Axis would never have been able to cross the English Channel or Sea of Japan. The combined navies and air forces of the three would have made any attempt to cross into an absolute slaughter at which point you end up with a stalemate. ",
"Americans did not engage in mountain warfare in the war. Materials are good but infantry holds space.",
"Would you care to elaborate?",
"Your comments state that today's standards of protesting are rioting and looting. People have been rioting and looting for millenia, and were in MLK's time, and MLK had a far more sympathetic view of rioting than you seem to believe\n\n>\"I think America must see that riots do not develop out of thin air. Certain conditions continue to exist in our society which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.\"\n\nRioting as a form protest is no more representative of the tactics of modern black activism than it was of the activists of the 50s and 60s. It had its proponents, it had its detractors, and it was and is not the most predominant form of black activism. You implied otherwise. That is ill-informed bullshit. ",
"Someone clearly doesn't know their history. The republican party back then was the rough ideological equivalent of today's democratic party. The two drastically changed their ideologies around the beginning of the 20th century. But it honestly doesn't even matter because today, RIGHT NOW, the republican party works against all these progressive strides. You ignorant cunt.",
"There are victim surveys cited in the link I conveniently provided for you. Would you like for me to link them directly, dear sir? Perhaps I can print them out for you and hand deliver them, m'lord.\n\nDumb and lazy is a bad combo. You're wasting my time.",
"Yeah, link directly to them for me. Thanks in advance. \n\nRequiring you to complete your burden of proof makes me lazy? Okay, dude. ",
"It's an actual quote from JFK's inauguration. ",
"How do I move to an area with more opportunities if I don't have reliable transportation? ",
"They're in the link I provided under \"Victim surveys\" surprisingly enough. Do you know how to scroll a webpage? Do that.",
"He wouldn't have voted at all, he definitely wouldn't have voted for either two candidates. \n\nHe was a black separatist, he felt black people should have their own representation separate from the structure of the existing government. \n\nHe was a very vocal advocate of community based policing and less federal influence in county sheriff's offices, something Trump has been very much against. \n\n",
"I don't see that tab on wikipedia. Link to it for me. Thanks in advance. ",
"you're the one collecting downvotes by the bushel, here, not to mention, you're coming off as someone who should take their own 'chill' advice. >.>",
"That sentence is entirely false. Do some research",
"See what I actually want is for you to read that tab and see that the survey you are referring to is inaccurate and unreliable. It gathers info on crimes NOT reported, so it has bullshit to do with arrest rates by race. \n\nStop your bullshit. Stop. ",
"Save. Even making minimum wage it’s entirely possible to live frugally and save your money. ",
"Equality of Opportunity - and diversity quotas are part of that, ensuring that all have equal opportunity, despite unequal starts ",
"aaaand he stops responding",
"There has never, ever been a black protest movement in America that was popular with the public. Ever.\n\nMLK was not popular. Malcolm X was not popular. The freedom riders were not popular. The Greensboro sit-in was not popular. None of them polled well with the public.\n\nYet here we are pretending to deify them.",
"Ad hominems are a good way to show everyone how smart you are.",
"What he did was illegal and dangerous. Someone explained the illegality to me. I'm not debating that. Just your false comparison. Pick your fights elsewhere.",
"Totally agreed.\n\nAnd exactly why I disagree with it being framed as a racial issue by the 0.1%ers who have the most voice to gather momentum for popular change. ",
"And that's what I think is stupid.\n\nAll the players should be kneeling to fight the culture of police having no accountability as we are all victims to it.\n\nWhen they constantly racialize it, it kills the real potential movement for change. ",
"Do people think he was just a sadist? Is it that impossible to think that that the man who had a severe mistrust of government, who ironically enough considered himself a chpion of the people, would, at the very least, understand where King was coming from? All he would have to hear was that the federal government was trampling on the rights of people who did nothing wrong, and he might just sympathize.",
"I think racializing the serious aspects of those problems gets in the way of solving the real issues.\n\nI applaud the BLM people who came out against the most recent popular police abuse case of that kid in the hotel, but I feel we'll never make any real headway as long as the most vocal and the richest people choose to almost entirely racialize the very real problem that is only sometimes partially racial. \n",
"Is he a mod on T_D?",
"Not really. White millennials voted for Trump. Also, just look at the explosion of alt-right racists online today. Those aren't grouchy old racists. They're young.",
"o7 ",
"I didn't say anything about \"black activism\", or even mention African Americans at all.\n\nYou did. Something in your head equates looting and violence with black people, that's something you have to deal with on your own.\n\n",
"And in the meantime? \n\nHow do I maintain my health while saving this $1,800 for transport, another $2,000 in moving expenses, and $500 to cover my first week in the new city on minimum wage? \n\nYou're asking someone to save 1/3 of their yearly salary on top of daily expenses, how do you do that and still live on $18,000/yr? ",
"Don't be a goon.\n",
"if intelligent life beyond the stars were to ever give us a chance, he would be part of the reason why they would.",
"I'm not *that* racist.\n\nI treat everyone the same. \n\nI just don't lie about biology or reality. ",
"Using that logic, Martin Luther King Jr. isn’t courageous and honorable, despite him being an American. \n\nAnd what about the American soldiers or Marines who’ve done courageous and honorable things like stand up for local civilians and their comrades? There are loads more example that I can give. \n\n",
"✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽",
"So they’re not allowed to take a knee for something that disproportionately affects them? Come on dude. ",
"I never said it was going to be easy, but it is undoubtably doable. Some people have made poor life choices that have put them in the situation they are in and some have just been dealt a “bad” hand. That is the reality of the world. But in the United States EVERYONE has the same rights and privileges as everyone else. The billionaires and the vagabonds have the same rights and privileges but this does not mean that they have the same opportunities. I wasn’t born into a rich family but I’m not complaining because even though the rich may have more opportunities because of their extenuating circumstances, we both shame the same rights and are equals under the law. ",
"then what exactly is it? a prediction? \n\n*congratulations, you were right!!*\n\n\nbetter? ",
"I think our challenge as a generation in the era of Trump is to figure out a way to reach out meaningfully to people who who instinctively reject Muslims, transgendered people, immigrants, et al. \n\nSarah Silverman started a great “Let My People Vote” where she encouraged Jewish young people to visit their grandparents in Florida and really discuss where the candidates stood on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, and other issues that affect the elderly. A lot of older people vote conservative by habit but don’t realize who wants to cut their benefits, for example. \n\nThere was a great episode of This American Life (I think) where a college student sits down with her coal miner dad and has a heat to heart about climate change. You’d think it’s a hopeless case, but he changes his mind in the course of the conversation. \n\nIf we each tried to get out of our echo chamber of agreement and really tried to talk to someone who disagrees with us, imagine what we could do. ",
"The NCVS includes data on reported crimes as well, smart guy. You don't know what you're talking about. You're right though, victims are lying about race, even the Black ones. Anything to prop up \"the man\". I hope you're still young, because at a certain point you're just stuck with being dumb.",
"You're right. I don't have to make shit up to disparage Alabama.",
"Liberal back then a respectable political and social position. These days, liberal is anti-liberal ideals.",
"I mean when you read my comments, was I really talking about guns either?",
"Respectfully, Sikhs don’t look like Muslims. Some people might confuse them, but that’s because they don’t know what either look like. Sikh men have a distinctive appearance, but the billion+ Muslims in the world don’t have a “look.”",
"Nowhere does it say that black people committed half of all crimes, dumb guy. \n\nYour source is inaccurate, your claim is inaccurate. Stop the bullshit. ",
"Republicans aren’t against equality? Oh, okay. So what have they done to support equality recently? I’ll wait.",
"Even if you don’t you support and vote for people who do",
"Atheists don’t really care when people say happy holidays. It’s the devout Christians that get offended ",
"Holy shit you are a disturbing individual.",
"Well one of them was almost shot by the police, so yeah, they do",
"They certainly aren’t allowed to speak for the black community",
"Y’all have a cute new buzzword I see",
"Yup, and yet we still have idiots in here saying that he would have been a trump supporter. Haha, nnnope.",
"No it fucking doesn’t. White people will never know what it feels like to be black and suffer through systematic racism.",
"Specifically hiring people based on their ethnicity means that you're necessarily excluding other people without the \"right\" identity characteristics based on their ethnicity or skin color, though. No matter how you parse that it's racial discrimination by definition. \n\nNot to mention that when the ethnicity of a person becomes relevant when hiring or electing, the maximum amount of competence a person can have for a particular position is diminished (because you're not looking for the most competent person for the position - you're looking for someone that makes the environment diverse - two very different goals). In my opinion if a business makes the decision to have diversity quotas on their own then they should be able to do it, but when it becomes required by law or that principle is applied to government elections, I think it's absolutely absurd. Governments are extremely difficult to run and it should be comprised of the most competent people possible for the position. Any other method seems extremely naive and dangerous for society to me. \n\nThe intention behind the idea of the equality you're talking about is good but it's such short sighted, narrow, lazy thinking. I don't think perceived racial discrimination is solved by more racial discrimination. If we're really against discrimination in principle we have to find another way. \n\n(in b4 cries of \"blah blah reverse racism isn't real\" without any actual argument other than intersectional critical theory nonsense)",
"Lmao. No doubt.",
"What the ever-loving fuck are you going on about? ",
"Lmao you don’t know what you’re talking about",
"Do you require a day off in order to care about black people?",
"I wish you could non biasly read your own reply here. Most of it is just wrong, but you think your so right. ",
"Uh huh. Funny how the shit stain that mocks recovering anorexic women is talking about being respectable. Liberals have no problem with Christians, we have a problem with phony hypocrites like you that pretend to follow Christ and then piss in the face of his teachings. There is a special place in hell reserved for scumbags like you.",
"I'm not a Christian so you fail.",
"Okay, let me rephrase: In spite of the constant complaints that the NFL protests are disrespectful of the US military and/or flag, kneeling during the anthem was suggested to Kaepernick by a Green Beret combat veteran as a way to protest while deliberately showing respect.",
">Specifically hiring people based on their ethnicity means that you're necessarily excluding other people without the \"right\" identity characteristics based on their ethnicity or skin color, though. No matter how you parse that it's racial discrimination by definition. \n\nEven if it is to counter other racial discrimination?\n\nCertain groups face disadvantages based on historic and current discrimination. Affirmative action is designed to negate that, in the absense of a better method.\n\nIn other words, it is not discriminatory, as it doesn't disadvantage a group, it only removes an advantage ",
"God bless reverend king.",
"From this comment, I assume you are one of those people who defend current republican ideals by pointing out historically contradicting republican ideas. I sincerely would like to understand how you believe this helps any case for any modern argument. Dealer's choice.",
"That's great! Though Sunday mass would really help level out the evil in your heart, friend. I can help you find a church if you would like.",
"To both of you that replied to my comment. If you would be willing to engage in an actual conversation, I'd be more than happy to explain my stance and MAYBE open your eyes to some things. But if you just want to point fingers and talk about how bad the black man has made it for the white man? (lol) You can just fuck right off.",
"Being on the wrong side of history for judging people by the content of their character instead of their skin color, welcome to 2018.",
"Long story short, he started as a asthmatic kid, and through sheer force of will and personality, he became one of the toughest, powerful, and interesting men in the world.\n\nYou should read his whole story sometime.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt",
"Of course he did. All the Trump supporter stop responding when they know they are wrong until you add an edit calling them out for giving up. Half the time they will respond after that lol.",
"IF YOU SHOUT THE DEAD CAN HEAR YOU.",
"WU TANG BOOOOOW!!!!",
"Me? Bothered? Not in the least 😂 I'm sorry if I came across as that way, I was saying I don't particularly like the 'choice' argument. Or even the insinuation because the argument usually comes from a place of malice rather than ignorance. My initial comment was saying MLK could have disagreed but knew human decency and not selective decency like many today.",
"Finally, a MLK post that diesn't have a political agenda.",
"Actually, back then, it was the Democrats who were against equality and the Republicans who were \"golden saints!\" (That's a dumb term -- better, kinder, more complete humans, maybe, but not saints.) You see, they switched bases.",
"Sounds amazing, can't wait. Hope you had a solid birthday dude. Ja matane",
"I appreciate your counterpoint. I thank you and everyone else for engaging in the thought and discussion. Even if it is heated and argumentative, communication is the key to gaining a better understanding.",
"> The only group that gets called pathetically fragile for bringing up racism...\n\nIs the only group that, on the whole, doesn't suffer meaningfully from racism in the U.S.",
"Nah, just to make it a real holiday ",
"Thanks for the White supremacist graph (with no actual numbers). No, they are protesting cops killing African American Men (and police unjustified murders). ",
"I completely agree on all points. Tell that to all the ignorant racist people who have lashed out at Sikhs over the years though :/ From what I understand, the Sikhs deal with that ignorance on a pretty regular basis. It’s not ok to lash out at Muslims either, but it’s double ridiculous when the victims aren’t even Muslim...",
"Most of the people who were arrested were not doing any of those things so... good job. ",
"If people argue about the nonesence he writes, he feels like he has friends. Cute. ",
"Why do you say that? King was a communist and a rapist and the only reason he’s remembered is because he’s a non threatening face that the white man can put on the civil rights movement.\n\nMalcolm x was a real champion of civil rights ",
"Not just the color of his skin (though I am not suggesting that isn't any sort of factor either), but his preaching of moving our society more towards democratic socialism and away from capitalism; specifically with how our society moved from being moved forward from the backs of slaves to the backs of poor, working class Americans of all races.\n \nHe was assassinated right before he could participate in the Poor People's March on Washington. \nIt's not a coincidence.",
"lmao quality banter",
"As an American myself, excellent summary. I lived on both sides of the tracks growing up, my family was poor when I was young but due to Dad's hard work and sacrifices we ended in middle-upper middle class as I grew into my teenage years.",
"Nope",
"So long, Jorge Garcia! Welcome back to your shithole country!",
"It was worth a shot. Maybe someday someone will explain these ridiculous arguments. ",
"Nice the tom Tebow! What a copy cat",
"2 soon?",
"I bet that really hurt your feelings. ",
">Is the only group that, on the whole, doesn't suffer meaningfully from racism in the U.S.\n\n\nDo you mean suffer significantly? Isn't all suffering meaningful? I'm pretty sure I know what you are tiring to say, but you are doing a poor job of saying it. ",
"\"Quite the opposite in some instances\" FFS, do you really want to be the victim that badly? You're so desperate to play the victim you've warped your entire worldview to make it so. ",
"tagged as retarded racist and ignored. Have fun with your troll account, or being a retarded racist. Whichever one you actually are.",
"Another disingenuous, mouth-breathing right wing retard trying to blur the lines between the major parties and ideology. You can play 'democrats are the party of slavery' all you like, but you know deep down it was reactionary conservatives like yourself who were, and remain, on the wrong side of history ",
"Yes left wing attempts to alleviate racism is what is keeping racism alive! Not right wing voter suppression laws, blatant race baiting and leaders who thinks there are good people amongst white supremacist rallies..... you ever noticed how not all republicans are racist but all racists are republican? Fucking idiot. ",
">Do you mean suffer significantly?\n\nNo, I mean \"meaningfully.\"\n\n>Isn't all suffering meaningful?\n\nNo. In fact, most suffering isn't, sadly.\n\n>I'm pretty sure I know what you are tiring to say, but you are doing a poor job of saying it.\n\nNo, I'm \"tiring\" of reactionary idiots presuming to correct my usage. I'm *trying* to say that white people's racial anguish in the U.S. is not meaningful.\n\nThank you, though, u/brutal-brian, for renewing my faith in Strunk & White.",
"no wonder they hate trump, that guy just loves jews way too dang much!\n\n*x-files theme plays*",
"OGBendtheknee",
"In CT Tom Folly ran for governer (republican). Part of his platform was to stop giving a bunch of money to \"poor performing schools\" and put it in a pool where schools compete so the higher performing schools earn the public funding. Now who do you think that money is being taken away from? Bridgeport, Waterbury, Hartford, New Haven (hmm cities with black people). And who do you think that money would be going to? Fairfield County, Cheshire, West Hartford etc. (White suburbs). Yet I didn't hear the racial component talked about a whole lot. Let alone the fact that he thinks the only thing keeping New Haven public schools from being like Cheshire public schools is a motivation problem.\n\nRacially targeted legislation even happens in the bluest of blue states to this day. Policies like red lining in the past have made it easy to target districts with minorities with some degree of deniability.",
"Says the one with marx in their username ",
"Uptick in Trump Supporters today they are in every thread spreading ignorance stupidity. This day must be hell for them.",
"There is an explanation for this which doesn't involve racism. \n\nhttps://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21",
"The brigade of TD racist cucks lately has been annoying to say the least.",
"A better man than America deserved.",
"One thread has already been shutdown but don't worry it's only for just today they'll calm down tommorrow. MLK Day makes them mad or any day for minorities.",
"Thank you again! Hope you have a great time when you come to japan :)",
"You figured it out man, everyone's racist, cops, victims, even Black victims. Everyone's got it out for the Black man, you smart.",
">No, I'm \"tiring\" of reactionary idiots presuming to correct my usage. I'm trying to say that white people's racial anguish in the U.S. is not meaningful.\n\nIt's always funny when dumb people think they are brilliant for spotting a simple typo. You're adorable:)! \n\n>Isn't all suffering meaningful?\n\n>No. In fact, most suffering isn't, sadly.\n\nLOL - people say the most ridiculous things when they are doubling down. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n",
"You are so full of shit it's not even funny. Stop. Bullshitting.",
"thank you very much.",
"Yea because it doesn't his fit the \"squeaky clean\" hero agenda. 🙄🙄🙄",
"And you don't know me tough guy. Fall back son.",
"I actually have a tongue lashing to a US Army officer on that very topic shortly after 9/11. He was taking me to the airport and saw a Sikh cabbie, and said, “Better hope that guy’s not on your flight!” Not Arab. Not Muslim. Not even Middle Eastern. ",
"But I don't want to chill. And I know I'm right. I have the convictions to stick to what I know is right and not cave in to peer pressure.\n\nIsn't that what we're supposed to do? ",
"Ideology and culture is fair game, skin colour is not.",
"LMAO reminds me of a 50 Cent lyric. \n\n> I ain't gonna spell it out for you motherfuckers all the time \nAre you illiterate, nigga? You can't read between the lines?\n",
"Oh, well let me help you out. In a time where you could get turned away from an er for being black, he stood up against the establishment to say that separate but equal is always unequal, and systemic inequality is wrong. \n\nHe organized marches and sit ins all throughout the United States to bring attention to the cause of equal rights.\n\nIn response to these peaceful protests measures, many state and local governments imprisoned, turned fire hoses on, and set attack dogs on the protesters (even the children).\n\n Eventually, institutionally sanctioned racism in the form of involuntary segregation was abolished. Even after this, African Americans still struggled with racism. In fact, the year after the passing of the Civil Rights Act, racist white nationalists burned down an African American church during Sunday school. \n\nHopefully this helps to enlighten you. Because yes, MLK cheated on his wife, but that's obviously not all he did. ",
"I bet people then also said that blacks weren't discriminated because slavery had been abolished. ",
"Sorry but you misread. I most certainly did not say \"everything is essentially equal.\" Some groups have about as much government protection as they can get without significant unfairness to others. If you don't think women are one of those groups, you are probably part of the problem I'm talking about. Please realize that when you don't read carefully, you can end up writing a lot of pointless nonsense. Please don't take this as an attack, more of a correction really. ",
"That is a super blanket statement. I'm not arguing that a lot of conservatives aren't racist, but you cant just assume we all are, and obviously I dont support those that are.",
"If Trump is 👀 ing for a holiday he should talk with Mr Mueller. I am sure something can be arranged for a confession. ",
"Black people on their knees is ok as long as the national anthem isn’t playing. ",
"That's the theory, but when you break it down to individual people, it can't help but disadvantage one person to the benefit of another. Do you think that the individuals disadvantaged in this way are likely to see this as fair? If it's based on something like skin colour, do you think you are actually addressing racism? ",
"That’s definitely interesting and strangely coincidental. I’m only 21 so I’ve never heard that while in high school and my interest in college isn’t politically focused.",
"Tebowing before it was cool..",
"But never stop learning ",
"So the government can't do anything about insurance companies covering Viagra and not birth control? \n\nThe government can't do anything about themselves passing laws to make abortions harder and harder to achieve and take away many of the hoops they force women to jump through? \n\nI debated whether or not to include women in my comment but ultimately decided to as they face a number of issues still and much is being done or attempted to be done to curtail their rights. \n\nFurthermore, you ought to have been more specific, the comment you responded to referenced multiple groups which makes it sound like you were saying that many, if not all, of those groups have essentially gained the full equality that that government can provide. I've seen and heard rhetoric from many others that suggest that since the voting rights acts black people are completely equal to white people and should stop complaining. You should work on being clearer as your comment can be read at least two ways. \n\nAlso I feel like you're throwing my words back in my face and that's kinda douchey. I was being sincere and we both know people on this site can take slight disagreement (and even agreement) like a personal attack, this might be a case in point. ",
"Google it for yourself. ",
"American WW2 military personnel.",
"But they just ascribe \"culture\" to an entire race or nationality of people and use it as a proxy for skin color. It's just word games. \"All black people have a bad culture, so fuck black people (for their culture)\" is just old-fashioned \"Fuck black people\" for the 21st century.",
"Just goes to show how republicans get so worked up over literally nothing lmao",
"Did you vote for Trump?",
"> I can see where you’re coming from and while it does seem that they pretend to harbor Christian values, the obvious truth is that they don’t (evidenced by their actions)\n\nThat's the last thing I said - that they don't actually value Christianity, just Christian identity politics. They make themselves appealing to self-identified Christian voters without actually putting Christian values into play. ",
"If you'd read my comment, you'd know that I was talking about personal racism, not systematic racism.\n\nYou're still wrong though. My Irish ancestors just a few generations ago suffered through systematic racism here in the United States. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't know that though, because to deny it would be to deny history.\n\nEdit: I see that you replied but it didn't get posted here. I guess the mods have had enough of you. In any case, the more you move the goal posts the more you reveal your inferior argument.\n\nIt's really sad that you actually want to see people suffer. Not to mention, in your reply you say \"you are not your ancestors\", and then you proceed to insinuate that I should feel guilty for the racism suffered by blacks in the past. No. I am not my ancestors. \n\nSo, as you said. Keep trying buddy. You can mask your intolerance and hatred as being an ally against racism all you want, but your comments reveal the truth. You are a bigot, and a delusional one at that. ",
"Funny the only thing I got out of the day was the inability to carry on my normal life. ",
"I don't hear the right saying \"fuck black people\" nearly as often as I hear the left saying \"fuck white people\". Maybe the right is more clever in it's use of language, or maybe you're assuming the worst of people.",
"Incorrect, but just keep hating. ",
"It's not exactly a new concept or term and saying \"y'all\" as if we are some collectivised hive mind. I suppose it's easier for you to conceptualise it that way. ",
"Naw I’ve just been seeing plenty of conservatives talking about “liberal identity politics” lately like it’s supposed to mean something. Must have been on Fox News recently.",
"Their response was better than your entire day on Reddit. Please log off and read a book or excerpt on what Dr. King *actually* wanted. \n\nIdk who raised you to think that chastising black people on MLK day is a cool thing to do. But have them read a damn book too.",
"Or you know, you could look up the term and see why it has become more common. Maybe they have a point to make? Naw, fuck them right? ",
"In his *Notes on the State of Virginia*, he uses language and rhetoric that wouldn't be out of place on a modern white supremacist forum. He may not have considered black people \"subhuman,\" but he definitely thought less of them. ",
"I know what the fuck it means that’s why it’s so damn funny when conservatives use it like they’ve found a “flaw” in liberalism. As if it’s a bad thing to stand up for social minorities and to fight for equality. Apparently it’s bad to base your political platform around your constituents now? Lmfao\n\nWhat’s even more hilarious is *conservatives also use identity politics!* They’re running around trying to “defend white culture” against the “war on Christmas” and “bringing America back to its Christian family values.” You can’t make this shit up! 😂",
"Trump loving mod in Politics? Dream on.",
"yes thank you for kneeling at the right time and place, not in the middle of a ceremony intended to honor your country while getting paid by your employer to entertain customers who paid good money to watch you PLAY FOOTBALL and who would have had to explain to their children why you were kneeling.",
"For being so \"open-minded\" you are quite hypocritical with your sweeping generalisations and assumptions. ",
"Wow you really hate it when you mess up hey? I was throwing your *decidedly douchey* words back in your face. I'm not keen on your form of discourse, the \"polite misreading\" that is \"not an attack\". I don't take it personally though, you shouldn't either. \n\nNow what I'm talking about is muddying the waters with bullshit complaints, like complaining about sales tax on tampons, or suggesting women should always be called on first in college classes. I'm talking about women shouting #METOO because one time a boy they didn't like made a flirtatious comment to them. It is shitty about the abortion issue in your country (apparently Americans are currently angry at my country because we won't fund jobs for pro-life groups), but while that is an women's issue that's not exactly an equality issue - I expect those horrible hoops apply evenly to pregnant transgender men. ",
"Yeah the politicians don't say it in those words, but they do things like call Mexicans rapists, or say that they don't want people from Africa to immigrate to America because they're from shithole countries, or that they don't want Muslims to enter America because they all hate us. It's more of a \"fuck [minorities]\" through actions rather than through words. ",
"Respect.",
"Do tell me about these sweeping generalizations I’m making. 😅",
"I don't doubt that; I'm doubting the fact that the members of the KKK switched to the Republican party.",
"🙄",
"http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-cops-race-injury-20160725-snap-story.html\n",
"reddit.com users",
"Go ahead and refute my points. I’ll wait patiently",
"Ah I see. I must’ve missed that. My apologies",
"How were my words douchey? I even explained why I used them. I've been nothing but sincere. If you want to continue to take offense at them, that's on you. And it serves as an example of redditors taking offense at people having a slight disagreement with them, which is, once again, why I said it in the first place. \n\nI didn't misread what you wrote, you wrote vaguely and it can be misinterpreted. How am I supposed to know what groups you find to be essentially equal and what ones you don't? How am I to know what you consider the fringes to be and what demands you deem unreasonable? Also \"essentially equal\" isn't good enough for me. I want equal. \n\n > I've seen and heard rhetoric from many others that suggest that since the voting rights acts black people are completely equal to white people and should stop complaining. \n\nI refer you back to that comment. What that means, since you want to get into an argument about misreading, is that I've seen comments exactly like yours used to prop up arguments that you're not for, therefore you ought to be more clear instead of whining about others not fully understanding your vague comments. \n\nThe abortion issue is an equality issue because the government doesn't have me jump through hoops or infringe my reproductive rights, but they do for women. And I refer you back to my Viagra/Birth Control argument, which the government can fix.\n\nThe government can do more and should do more, so to say that they've done all they can is wrong.",
"Well your second idea is the result of the first lol. ",
"I work at a family owned pet store. There are only a few of us employees and we are all paid minimum wage but we also were making 2-5% commission on what we sold. Well when the minimum wage increased on the 1st, they had to drop commision. So now thanks to the increase of the minimum wage, I have lost 150-200 dollars from my pay check. I am also putting myself through school so this only made it more difficult. I really don't understand how people genuinely support the increase of a minimum wage. The people who do seem to be only looking at one side of the picture and are blind to the other. ",
"I replied to this concept in another comment on this thread: your decrease in pay isn't due to your employer finally being forced to pay the minimum standard of living wages to other employees; it's because you work for someone who refuses to pay proper wages to their employees.",
"It's a result of working for a company that has more interest in paying their employees less than what they are worth. ",
"Proper wages? No. Your acting like these businesses have an infinite amounts of money. We are already not doing to well because of another recent event. To claim it's only because of them not willing to pay me more is just ignorant. ",
"That's not true. They make the orders. They do the product movement. They are doing majority of the work as management. I get bags of dog food for people and feed animals and you think that people should be able to live off that? That's sad. ",
"Well, they vote Republican...",
"Do you have any statistics?",
"If your employer can't afford to pay its employees proper wages, then that's the fault of the business, not those on the lowest end of the totem pole.",
"Well that is the result of increasing minimum wage that most people just either refuse to understand or can't see because it doesn't benefit them. ",
"Sad or not, if you help make your employer profits, and the workers never see a penny of profits as earned wages, that they can live off of, that's because you work for greedy employers, which isn't anything new. It's an American story as old as our history. ",
">That's the theory, but when you break it down to individual people, it can't help but disadvantage one person to the benefit of another.\n\nNot disadvantage, remove existing advantages.\n\nAnd what they perceive its fairness as is irrelevant, only what is fair\n",
">I never said it was going to be easy, but it is undoubtably doable. Some people have made poor life choices that have put them in the situation they are in and some have just been dealt a “bad” hand. That is the reality of the world. But in the United States EVERYONE has the same rights and privileges as everyone else. The billionaires and the vagabonds have the same rights and privileges but this does not mean that they have the same opportunities. I wasn’t born into a rich family but I’m not complaining because even though the rich may have more opportunities because of their extenuating circumstances, we both shame the same rights and are equals under the law. \n\nExcept we don't, the guy who can afford to sue people inherently has an advantage over the guy who can't afford to sue people. ",
"Yes, but that doesnt mean I support any of the bigotry he has spewed before or since being elected. To me it was a lesser of two evils, and I felt like not voting would be even worse. Not like my vote even made a difference in my state, but you cant go around calling everyone who voted for Trump racist, you are aleinating allies against actual racism.",
"It's okay, the internet knows what's better for you than you do. ",
"Call out an obvious Trumpbot and see what happens. ",
"Well I personally don't give a damn about Trump's sex life either as long as everything he did was consensual.",
"I guess the government does too",
"Right because thats only in America huh? And we do see those profits. Thats called getting paid. If I am doing low skilled work, I'm not expecting a huge pay. My bosses are the one who started the business and got it to where it is and are expanding it. Do you believe that we should get just as big of a cut as they are?",
"Thats such an ignorant statement. Do you work? If your trying place blame then yes it is the employee's fault as they were the ones who searched and accepted the job knowing what they were going to be paid. ",
"I believe that business' biggest interests shouldn't lie exclusively in profits, to the detriment of its' employees. And that people who work full time should be paid living wages. If CEO's are making 400+% that if it's least paid employees, who aren't even being paid living wages, then that business should be punished. ",
"It always amuses me to see members of the working party who's beliefs go against their own self interest. I'm so glad that we had a labor revolution a century ago to still have morons argue that employees who help businesses profit don't deserve living wages, and that, by default, the rest of the public should be taxed to pay for these worker's living expenses.",
"We are talking about minimum wage. People shouldnt be living off of minimum wage. I'm the moron? Says the one that wants to increase minimum wage yet doesn't know the consequence of it. God damn, grow up. ",
"You are only referring to corporations now. Im talking about small businesses. You cant expect a low skill job to be paid a high wage. Once again, no one should be trying to support a family on mininum wage. How about we just hand the business over to the government and let them run it? Oh wait that doesn't work...",
"We aren't talking about a person... we are talking about large societies of people... over large time spans.\n\n>A thief assumes that everybody steals.\n\nSome lucky bastard that's never been stolen from assumes no one does.\n\n",
"> Racism still alive they just be concealing it\n\nsubtle yeezy",
"Yeah , but we have to admit that a big increase like that is pretty complex and can't be judged just with : I think it is (bad/good) because X.\n\nThey are many factors and I don't blame people for not understanding everything (I don't either). \nAlso, it is hard to be objective when it touch your life directly.",
"Che Guevara would have been so proud of his socialist beliefs. ",
"A socialist can never be a true American.",
"They actually have a highly upvoted post honouring MLK in The_Donald. ",
"So that's why BLM bans white people from meetings. I guess they are not american.",
"I'm not sure if you're aware, but Martin Luther King Jr was an African American.",
"The irony in this comment is delicious.\n\nThere was no \"right time and place\". The same comments made about protests during the Civil Rights movement can be found today. \n\n\"This isn't the appropriate place.\"\n\n\"This isn't the appropriate time.\"\n\n\"Why can't they do this somewhere else!\"",
"Do you really think Dr. King would support the current left? How do you think he would feel about BLM banning non blacks from their meetings?",
"If it was a /r/the_Donald conspiracy why did cnn, BBC, newsweek, Washington post, and cbs report on it?",
"> Yes, but that doesnt mean I support any of the bigotry\n\nHahahaha it sure does. When you knowingly vote for a bigot then you are supporting that bigot. \n\nI’m sorry but supporting bigotry is just as bad as being a bigot. It’s unacceptable.",
"Didn't come here to argue. The fact that you think you made any actual points is part of my point. ",
"I've had one thing stolen from me ever, not bad statistics I have to admit... But it was my car. That doesn't make me see thieves everywhere.",
"You seem to have gotten stuck in the metaphor :/\n\nsry about your car",
"Small brain. ",
"Yes when youre losing a debate the left go in to a child like state and out come the insults. Yes also identity politicos has really really helped stop division. Really ",
"lol so you just ignore the three explicit examples of right wing racism I gave in my comment and focus on the single word 'fuck' because you have no argument. All the Right has is misplaced nostalgia, hatred and self righteousness. You have nothing to offer the country and your leaders pathetically pander to corporate interests and Christian supremacists. \n\nI hope for your sake that you're a millionaire. \n\nAnd if not, I hope fucking over minorities and pissing off the Left is worth voting against your own self interests like the useful idiot that you probably are. ",
"Go and play yr little division politics else where. Love how you leftists preach identity politics and then get pissed off when white people vote in their own interests. You cant have it both ways",
"lol the hilarious/kind of sad thing is that the overwhelming majority of white tump voters aren't voting in their own self interest unless they're multi millionaires. If you even had the most basic level of critical thinking ability you would realise Trump's tax plan is designed by the mega rich for the mega rich. But he uses the racism and bigotry of morons like yourself to push through the agenda of the 1%. \n\nIt's hilarious that you talk of identify politics when the left has been trying to promote multiculturalism, cooperation and equality forever, while the right as always been about divide and conquer. \n\nI'm done arguing with reactionary morons but if nothing else carefully consider this quote by LBJ: \n\n\"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.\"\n\nThat's what the Republicans have done to you and large swathes of this country. No matter how much of a racist, POS you are, you should be able to understand that republican policies hurt poor people, hurt the middle class and will damage America in the long run ",
"And lol\n\nThe left: due to hundreds of years of racist societal attitudes and explicitly racist government policies, some racial groups are currently having a harder time realizing the American dream than others.\n\nThe right: enough with the identity politics! Suggesting racism exists is the true racism! \n\nAlso the the right: Mexicans are rapists, BLM is hate movement and there are lots of good people present at white supremacist rallies!\n\n",
"He was a doctor AND a king? What a man!",
"> Using that logic, Martin Luther King Jr. isn’t courageous and honorable, despite him being an American. \n\nHow so? I didn't say he wasn't. I said the average American doesn't do that shit so they don't have a monopoly on courage. Didn't once say some fireman or marine saving civilians in the middle east doesn't embody those traits. I'm saying that saying those are \"American\" traits is fucking retarded. There are heroic people in every country. The average person does not do stuff that is heroic and if put on the spot, there is no way the average person would be willing to do the things Dr. King did. That is why he is such an icon. He rose above the rest of inspired millions, and continues to do so 50 years after his death.",
"I don't doubt that, I doubt that the members of the KKK switched to the Republican party.",
"Well that can be applied to everything really. However in my honest opinion, this is one of those topics that it's really hard for me to see a positive. Sure, we can say that people are getting paud more money, but the price for goods goes up and the employers will sometimes have to cut employees. On the 1st, my favorite Mexican takeout place increased the price of every meal on the menu by almost a whole dollar. This isn't the only example either around me. ",
"If you say so.",
"By very dumb people.",
"oh, i see. no worries",
"Yeah and bill gates has an inherent advantage over me but I don’t complain because I understand that not everyone is going to live equal lives. That’s the way the world works and a fact of life. ",
"By that logic anyone who voted for Clinton is also a bigot, because she has definitely said derogatory remarks in the past. Man give me a break.",
"Was her platform based on bigotry like trump’s was? This is beyond just saying a couple of racist things. ",
"right",
"You know when an argument is based off assumptions it’s obviously valid. ",
"It was still the right thing to do and the right direction to take the country in. Fanatics thought it wasn't enough (they were right, but the assassination slowed down or reversed the changes Alexander II was implementing). People who changed the world wouldn't have done anything if they were only thinking of their personal safety.",
"I'm in no way whining. You know you misunderstood something, but can't help yourself - you *must* lay it at the feet of the other person. My comments weren't vague in such a way as to support your misinterpretation, you are just NTFS. \n\nYour attitude is douchey - \"I'm going to attack what you say, then say I'm not\". Sorry chum, that's not how it works. \n\nOh I'm sure \"essentially equal\" isn't good enough for you. I'm sure you support punishing people based on their skin colour just as long as their skin matches that of the \"oppressors\" of history. I'm really done talking to your racist ass. ",
"Putting your thumbs in your ears isn’t a valid point.",
"Your inability to understand the real life issue I'm raising here means you will be one of the people who guarantee continued racial inequality, violence and racial hatred in your country for decades to come. \n\nYou are never going to end systemic racism by engaging in individual racism (which is absolutely, irrefutably the effect of affirmative action on individuals) because you can only beget more racists into the system. ",
"People going to have more money so spend more. Imcrease minimum by 20% and everything will go up in price , but not as much. Makes poor less poor (more buying power) and medium class is a bit more poor. Just that it is too much in one go.",
"Ummm... off topic much? But sick burn bro. Lol. Almost hurt my feelings. Top conversational skills. Grats. Lol.",
"so i should die cause i’m not a communist retard? makes sense why nobody takes you fucking idiots seriously. Communism works on paper, nowhere else you dumbfuck. ",
"I'm sure that study is completely reliable and without bias. I'm sure they used a robust sample size and didn't bait negative responses out of the participants. What a joke. You'd have to be a fool to take any poll seriously these days. I could run the same poll and probably find that 55% of Black people think white people are untrustworthy and evil. It's a joke. But lets play in the hypothetical world that this poll is accurate....What's the solution? Nothing. The government can't force thoughts on people. So either way, its pointless. There is literally nothing that can be done right now to combat racism. People need to work it out among themselves. The only perfect world is one where we don't obsess over skin color like we do now. There is a dangerous faction of the left that legitimately believe the a perfect world is one in which everyone understands the historical context of each others skin color and treats each other differently based on that context. That's not a perfect world though, its a sick fantasy of a dystopian future. ",
"\"strawman argument\". the dude was against gay marriage and you're defending him?",
"But Alexander II implemented social change because he feared his own safety, not because he believed it was the right thing to do. He already started reversing his policies toward the end of his reign because of assassination attempts.",
"God you are fucking retarded",
"And for that, politicians and police beat him and other Civil Rights supporters while white Americans throw rocks and spat at them. Then they shot him.\n\nJesus fucking Christ, America.",
"I attacked your viewpoint not you personally and I wanted you to be clear, but your sensitive ass keeps taking it personally and keeps making personal attacks at me. \n\nI didn't misinterpret a damn thing, I simply disagree with you.\n\nAnd now I see you're not the neutral I thought you were. Go fuck yourself for projecting your shitty views on me and calling me a racist for literally no reason. Nothing I've said can possibly lead you to that thought, like at all. So shove it back up your ass. \n\nI said I want equality not essentially equal. You want to keep a slight advantage and call it equal, fuck that.\n\nTake oppressors out of quotes. White people were and sometimes still are oppressors in the US, get over it. \n\nOh and now it's clear who the real racist is. You're clearly one of those frightened white people you were talking about. Poor baby, afraid \"the darkies\" are going to get you. ",
"Another assumption, when did i ever say I was republican? You are a fucking delusional troll who thinks that communism is a feasible system when it has never worked in the history of mankind. Please get that through your thick skull you degenerate fuck who is probably too lazy to get a job and wants to rely on everyone else to get them through life. ",
">I'm sure that study is completely reliable and without bias. \n\nVery much is. \n\n>I'm sure they used a robust sample size and didn't bait negative responses out of the participants. \n\nDid you even attempt to read the study??\n\n>What a joke. You'd have to be a fool to take any poll seriously these days. \n\nWhat makes math unreliable? \n\n>I could run the same poll and probably find that 55% of Black people think white people are untrustworthy and evil. \n\nSo racism isn't a problem anymore, it's statistically insignificant I think you said, yet I just proved 1/3 of registered party members don't like black people,and you're convinced black people don't like white people. \n\nWhat is your definition of statistically insignificant? \n\n>It's a joke. But lets play in the hypothetical world that this poll is accurate....What's the solution? Nothing. \n\nEducation and travel are a good start. \n\n>The government can't force thoughts on people. So either way, its pointless. There is literally nothing that can be done right now to combat racism. People need to work it out among themselves. The only perfect world is one where we don't obsess over skin color like we do now. \n\nAgain,this comment kind of puts a damper on your \"statistically insignificant\" assessment .\n\n>There is a dangerous faction of the left that legitimately believe the a perfect world is one in which everyone understands the historical context of each others skin color and treats each other differently based on that context. That's not a perfect world though, its a sick fantasy of a dystopian future. \n\nOr they just want you to understand the history of the country you live in. \n\nFull stop. \n",
"Yep. Because it's irrelevant and it's impossible to tell what his opinion would have been if it had become a prominent social issue like it has in more recent years. And in regard to the \"tear down his statues\" bit, bot supporting gay marriage when that was virtually the only opinion is very different from waging war on the United States.",
"\"Most\" lol... rest?",
"The Washington Post reviewed the survey’s 2016 data and learned some not-so-surprising facts about the differences in how the different parties view race in America. The poll asked, “On average, blacks have worse jobs, income and housing than white people. Do you think those differences are because most just don’t have the motivation or willpower to pull themselves up out of poverty?”\n\nFifty-five percent of white Republicans agreed with this statement, while 26 percent of white Democrats believed it to be true. While the difference in opinion was striking, the results were almost the same when researchers asked the question in 2010, when 60 percent of white GOPers agreed, compared with 32 percent of white Dems.\n\n",
"i saw you delete that 3% earners bullshit. I wonder why it was deleted",
"I dont think you understand how people and society function. You are very shortsighted. At the end of the day, your approach is wrong and will never succeed. \"Full Stop\"",
"How many people were polled? Where were they polled? What was the age bracket of those polled? What is the psychology of a person who would willing take a poll like this? ",
">I dont think you understand how people and society function. \n\nWhat am I getting wrong? \n\nAmerica evolved from extremely racist to pretty racist, and is now moving back toward extremely racist. \n\nYou said yourself the government can't force people to not be racist, so what makes you think we're any less racist than We were when this happened\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Summer\n\n>You are very shortsighted. At the end of the day, your approach is wrong and will never succeed. \"Full Stop\"\n\nI love these generalized responses with no real value, how is recognizing the history of the nation you live in shortsighted and wrong?",
"A hair over 5,000 people polled 5 years apart, in distinctly different areas of the country, poll was conducted by landline phone so it would have an inherently conservative bias (more republicans polled than democrats the first time around), and people were paid to take a survey that included this question, so fairly innocuous personalities. ",
"They can kneel for whatever.\n\nIf they want my respect for kneeling, then they need to stop racializing something that we could do way more about fixing if they'd stop making it all about race.\n\nAlso, it's extremely dubious and debatable as to *why* it affects them disproportionately and in some districts this is not even true for some forms of violence like shootings. In many regions, Whites are more likely to be shot by police than Blacks (although most of regions still showed higher rates of non-shooting force being used against Blacks, on the other hand every study showed Blacks used force on cops at a much higher rate than everyone else). \n\nI want to see real headway made on this problem, I think real headway is impossible as long as the most vocal group and the most influential people racialize it. \n",
"> I want to see real headway made on this problem, I think real headway is impossible as long as the most vocal group and the most influential people racialize it.\n\nIt’s a racial issue, so of course race gets involved. Blacks get gunned down disproportionately, and their killers often go free with a slap on the wrist. \n\nTo your complaint about not including whites: to make a statement about a single group is not a criticism of another group. A black activist that was interested in voting rights is not in the wrong or “racializing” an issue because they didn’t include women as well. The issue *is* racial, and they’re protesting for their own interests.\n\nYour complaints are just one of a mountain of people picking away at the validity of the protest because they didn’t do it the way you’d like. It’s not about you. ",
"yes that would be more proper. Thank you.",
"Then why are most prisoners white?",
"So basically it was a poorly done survey with a small sample size and many glaring flaws?",
"4x the sample size needed for an accurate representation of the population per study, and diverse crowds polled. \n\nNo, it's very well done. ",
"It's not a matter of history its a matter of perspective. Your perspective is limited. To claim that this country is \"extremely racist\" shows how narrow your scope is. If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? ",
">It's not a matter of history its a matter of perspective. Your perspective is limited. \n\nYes, it is a matter of history, American society didn't evolve in a vacuum. \n\n>To claim that this country is \"extremely racist\" shows how narrow your scope is. If you don't mind me asking, how old are you? \n\nWhat am I missing? \n\nSay something with some substance, don't just go with ad hominem attacks on my age, which is 31. ",
"I didn't actually know this. Today I've learned. Thank you.",
"You're splitting hairs. Adding disadvantage and removing existing advantages are essentially the same thing. \n\nIt seems like you're only considering this issue in terms of how putting diversity on a pedestal over competence is *intended* to work but again, no matter how you parse it, you are arguing for racial discrimination.",
"I don't believe this country is extremely racist at all and I don't believe that the mainstream college liberal dogma on social justice is going to lead us forward. The progressives that take humanity to the next level will look nothing like the ones running around today yammering about \"white privilege\". To me and many others these are faux progressives who weaponize social justice language and identity politics, doing serious harm to the fabric of society. Races are pit against each by exaggerating race issues using insane hyperbole to manipulate people. We both seem to have different perspectives and interpret issues in different ways. I'm your age as well. I am honestly surprised that you still hold these views as most people from our generation, including \"POC\" (ridiculous acronym) have grown passed this perspective. Have you ever stopped an wondered why current social justice perspective on race isnt helping? Have you ever wondered why it seems to be getting worse? To blame it on the \"alt-right\" or imaginary nazis would be counterproductive. It's the message. The message is shit. ",
"Not trying to. Just wanted to point out how fucking useless you are. The top comment even mentions that hundreds were arrested in this protest. You don't know anything about the times if you think protests like these weren't brave. But you don't want to know. You want to call MLK a coward. Because you're a fucking coward. Now fuck off.",
">I don't believe this country is extremely racist at all and I don't believe that the mainstream college liberal dogma on social justice is going to lead us forward. \n\nSo you're just ignoring the vast majority of American history for no good reason. \n\nWe're less than two generations removed from blatant apartheid practices in this country, what makes you think the public opinion that caused that to be a thing has changed any? \n\nI thought the government couldn't make people stop being racist? \n\n>The progressives that take humanity to the next level will look nothing like the ones running around today yammering about \"white privilege\". \n\nSo tribalism is always a thing until you ascribe it specifically To white people in america, then it's a myth? \n\n>To me and many others these are faux progressives who weaponize social justice language and identity politics, doing serious harm to the fabric of society. Races are pit against each by exaggerating race issues using insane hyperbole to manipulate people. \n\nWhite people have been doing the same thing for a while, only they've had the benefit of official channels to get their message out. \n\nWhere do you think the \"They took our jobs\" crowd came from, all those black people coming home from world war one weren't welcomed home with open arms, they were welcomed home by mobs of angry white men who burned their town down and beat them up. \n\nIronically, this is around the time we see gun violence become a regular occurrence in black communities, as a means of defense against racist white mobs. \n\n>We both seem to have different perspectives and interpret issues in different ways. I'm your age as well. I am honestly surprised that you still hold these views as most people from our generation, including \"POC\" (ridiculous acronym) have grown passed this perspective. Have you ever stopped an wondered why current social justice perspective on race isnt helping? Have you ever wondered why it seems to be getting worse? To blame it on the \"alt-right\" or imaginary nazis would be counterproductive. It's the message. The message is shit. \n\nIt's the same message they've had for hundreds of years, yours is the same response they've been receiving for hundreds of years. \n\nLiterally nothing has changed on either side. ",
"Yeah, they love virtue signaling. If MLK was still alive they’d call him a race-baiting soy boy commie cuck though.",
"I'm honestly relieved to get a civil response out of this, so it's all good.\n\n> because the argument usually comes from a place of malice rather than ignorance\n\nWe obviously come from different backgrounds, me being from a lower-class area from Rio and you at least currently living in what I assume to be a very progressive New York region, but I usually get about 50/50 on the malice-to-ignorance ratio.\n\nPeople are genuinely ignorant in these parts, specially with the low income and terrible education going around. It has been slowly getting better when it comes to the tolerance of LGBT people, so i see hope here in that regard.\n\nThanks for going back to initial comment and clarifying it.",
"No, I'm a bisexual man married to a woman of colour, with interracial children, and we raise our children to believe that the colour of your skin doesn't matter, but the work you put in does, and even then, we don't all get to be totally equal. I'm not really afraid of anyone, least of all snowflakes of any colour. Of course I'm also not American, so we don't have the troubles with racists like yourself as often. \n\nYou seem *really* angry, maybe if you don't pretend to be polite you won't get so riled up when you get called out. \n\nI will keep \"oppressors\" in quotes because so many people today claim they are disadvantaged when in fact they just want a handout, and haven't actually been \"oppressed\" by anyone. ",
"I never called him a coward. I asked if this was illegal at the time. Just because I don't follow your culture's history doesn't mean it's okay to act like a baby. You're an ape. ",
"I'm not on a side! The world is not black vs white, red vs blue, good vs evil. Its full of grey areas and your philosophy leaves no room for that. Obviously things have changed since the 60s duh. However, youre right we are only a couple generations removed from segregation, BUT the world has advanced more in the last 50 years than the entire history of humanity before then. We can sit here and bitch about the past, pit groups against each other or we can move on and fight for changes that benefit everyone. Black Americans are never going to get reparations, they are never going to get special policies directed to help their communities. That is a pipe dream. If aid comes it will be in the form of \"policies to help the poor\", AS IT SHOULD BE. You can bring up incidents that happened 60 years ago but guess what? I dont care. Most people don't care. It wasn't our time or our culture or our mindset so who gives a shit? Its over. Move on. Every year that goes by your chances of convincing people that we should implement policies based on historical actions lessens. Every year that goes by less people care about what their ancestors went through or what their ancestors supposedly did. Don't you understand your perspective is simply a waste of time? Instead of having a unifying message, campaigning for policies that benefit everyone you purposely marginalize yourself by campaigning for tribalistic solutions. Its a no win situation.",
"Why comment on history you don't follow?\n\nAlso realize my comment was a bit harsh and thought I deleted it tbh",
"http://www.brandeis.edu/now/2014/december/cunningham-kkk-impact.html\n\nIf you're actually interested in learning about the shift in political allegiance of the KKK in the 60's, there's a lot of research on the topic. If you're rather interested in blindly keeping your belief in the face of contrary evidence, feel free to ignore it.\n\nThis isn't a matter of Republicans vs Democrats, it's a matter not supporting the most prolific terrorist organization in US history. It just so happens Republicans have relied on that terrorist organization for support since the 60's.",
">I'm not on a side! The world is not black vs white, red vs blue, good vs evil. Its full of grey areas and your philosophy leaves no room for that. \n\nRacism in America isn't grey. \n\nAt no point in our history has the American power structure relented willingly to pressure from minorities, ever. \n\nIt's always came at the cost of *thousands* of lives. \n\n>Obviously things have changed since the 60s duh. However, youre right we are only a couple generations removed from segregation, BUT the world has advanced more in the last 50 years than the entire history of humanity before then.\n\nTechnologically, sure. I'm hard up to see what that has to do with American attitudes towards minorities, which has remained a consistent fuck you to black people for the majority of their time here. \n\n>We can sit here and bitch about the past, pit groups against each other or we can move on and fight for changes that benefit everyone.\n\nRacial tension in America didn't start the minute someone said white people have had it good around here for a while, someone said that because racial tension was already a widespread problem in America. \n\n>Black Americans are never going to get reparations, they are never going to get special policies directed to help their communities. That is a pipe dream. If aid comes it will be in the form of \"policies to help the poor\", AS IT SHOULD BE. \n\nWe did it for European Jews escaping persecution over there, but it's a pipe dream for the Black community. \n\nAnd you don't see how that can cause some frustration?\n\n>You can bring up incidents that happened 60 years ago but guess what? I dont care. Most people don't care. It wasn't our time or our culture or our mindset so who gives a shit? Its over. Move on. \n\nIt's not over, it was never over, the tactics have just changed. \n\nYou keep saying the past like I didn't just show you public opinion about Black people's intelligence and overall motivation has remained consistent. \n\n>Every year that goes by your chances of convincing people that we should implement policies based on historical actions lessens. Every year that goes by less people care about what their ancestors went through or what their ancestors supposedly did. \n\nEvery year people are being taught direct lessons by their ancestors, or do you not believe parents and grandparents have a direct impact on their children's perspectives? \n\n>Don't you understand your perspective is simply a waste of time? Instead of having a unifying message, campaigning for policies that benefit everyone you purposely marginalize yourself by campaigning for tribalistic solutions. Its a no win situation.\n\nBlack people have not purposefully marginalized themselves, they've been marginalized purposefully, and that marginalization has been purposefully distorted to make it seem \"not so bad now\". \n\nBlack people are just starting to play by America's rules, you can't blame them for playing a game created by white people here. ",
"The problem is your arguement falls apart if you stop viewing society simplistically. There are no white people you can blame. Its not a group you can hold accountable or expect anything from. It doesnt exist. What you consider white people are an ever changing group of people from all walks of life, countries, relgions. Who is this America you blame beyond the people that live here? Your arguement relies on a simple view of the world. You need to box huge diverse populations in to groups for it to make sense and thats why it doesnt make sense. You are also vastly overestimating how many people agree with your perspective. Its very very small and most people grow out of this type of binary thinking as they age. It wont be passed on, there will be no reperations, there will be no attonment, it is a childs dream but that doesnt mean we together as a country wont get better, it just wont be on the path you want to walk. ",
">The problem is your arguement falls apart if you stop viewing society simplistically. \n\nIt's not a simplistic view, it's backed by hundreds of years of documented history. \n\nIt's not \"Well, some people were extremely racist at the time, while others weren't so much racist as insensitive\".\n\nNo, that's not an accurate representation of American society. We're a racist ducking culture, through and through, so much so that 1/3 of us believe black people are too stupid and lazy to be successful, even today. \n\n>There are no white people you can blame. Its not a group you can hold accountable or expect anything from. It doesnt exist. What you consider white people are an ever changing group of people from all walks of life, countries, relgions. \n\nReally? So who are those 1/3 of he U.S. Population who feel black people are too stupid and lazy to succeed? \n\n>Who is this America you blame beyond the people that live here? Your arguement relies on a simple view of the world. \n\nAgain, racism in America is a very clear cut issue. There's no debating America is racist as fuck, There just isn't. \n\n\n>You need to box huge diverse populations in to groups for it to make sense and thats why it doesnt make sense. \n\nWhite Americans aren't a diverse group. They're overwhelmingly the same Race, Religion, and 3 ethnicities. \n\n>You are also vastly overestimating how many people agree with your perspective. Its very very small and most people grow out of this type of binary thinking as they age. It wont be passed on, there will be no reperations, there will be no attonment, it is a childs dream but that doesnt mean we together as a country wont get better, it just wont be on the path you want to walk. \n\nI just showed you two polls that said 1/3 of the country has remained consistently against the idea that Black people are just as capable of succeeding as white people. \n\nDuring the Red summer of 1919, 3 dozen highly populated cities were burned to the ground by angry mobs of white people pissed that Black people moved to their area and took their jobs. \n\nDuring that following winter *1/3 of the U.S. population thought everything was cool*, and the white rioters were justified in killing black people *because they were working and the white folks werent*\n\nNothing has changed as far as public opinion is concerned in 100 years, what makes you think it changed now?\n\n",
"You are relying way to heavily on those blatantly flawed polls. Are you really going to base your argument on that? There are so many ways that poll could be flawed. Also just because somebody sees a group of people as possessing poor traits doesn't mean they believe they should have less rights. As you know there are many reasons why some may have that perspective, but being klansman who wants to oppress others is at the very bottom of that list. \n1919 eh? Again, I dont care. History is just a good book its not a mandate. Also once again....this is not the same group of Americans. These are entirely different people who grew up in a different world. These people grew up with black people as heroes, friends, etc. You are right about one thing ( assuming you are black)....you are still a slave but you have a different master. Your oppressor now is your own mind. You'd rather believe people are innately racist than acknowledge the humanity in them. You rather have perpetual victims chained by the past than help people move on. You think a cash handout is going to make things better?. You need to get out there. Open your mind. ",
">You are relying way to heavily on those blatantly flawed polls. Are you really going to base your argument on that? \n\nExcept the poll isn't flawed, sample size is good, demographics polled is diverse, a yes or no question was asked that was in no way ambiguous, and the poll was conducted by professional sociologists. \n\n>There are so many ways that poll could be flawed. Also just because somebody sees a group of people as possessing poor traits doesn't mean they believe they should have less rights. As you know there are many reasons why some may have that perspective, but being klansman who wants to oppress others is at the very bottom of that list. \n\nThe only reason someone would think like that is because they've been predisposed to supremacist propaganda that has been debunked time and time again by actual biologists and geneticists. \n\n>1919 eh? Again, I dont care. History is just a good book its not a mandate. Also once again....this is not the same group of Americans.\n\nSame america, as evidenced by the same level of anti black sentiment them as now. \n\n>These are entirely different people who grew up in a different world. These people grew up with black people as heroes, friends, etc. \n\nStill Americans that are part of a racist culture being proliferated in America. \n\nThat hasn't changed at all.\n\n>You are right about one thing ( assuming you are black)....you are still a slave but you have a different master. Your oppressor now is your own mind. \n\nI'm white, I've been lucky enough to get the education i needed (from America's *most conservative college*) to be able to put two and two together and recognize the connection between the disparities in Black achievement and incarceration rates and the actions of my countrymen that drive that disparity. \n\n>You'd rather believe people are innately racist than acknowledge the humanity in them. You rather have perpetual victims chained by the past than help people move on. You think a cash handout is going to make things better?. You need to get out there. Open your mind. \n\nI don't believe everyone is that, just a significant portion of america, as evidenced by the vast majority of our history. \n\nI've been out there, I've seen everything from white kids preparing for a race riot at an Ohio elementary school to \"former\" sundown towns that still don't allow black people within their limits under the threat of violence by local police. \n\nOne thing I haven't seen is black people vilify white folks in general though, only asking the white moderate to acknowledge the struggle of the Black community in America. \n\nThat's not to much to ask. At all. ",
"Welp. Good luck that. In 40 years youll be listening to a geriatric shaun king shout about white oppressors while the rest of us moved on. I dont think you see the tide turning. Soon enough people of all races are going to see people of your perspective as racists as well. its already happening.",
"To what? Still being ambivalent to American racism?",
">Soon enough people of all races are going to see people of your perspective as racists as well. its already happening.\n\nA lot of people thought Martin Luther King Jr. Was racist, that doesn't mean he was. \n\nThat's where the majority of the message of black activists today comes from. ",
"A lot of the activists today are spoiled white college kids who are ironically speaking for and infantilizing POC. Do you actually know any POC? Most hate this shit too. You sound out of touch.",
">A lot of the activists today are spoiled white college kids who are ironically speaking for and infantilizing POC. \n\nNo prominent member of any activist group is a spoiled white college kid. \n\nand no one's infanitlizing anyone, whatever the hell that is. We're just stating the obvious fact that Black people haven't had the same opportunities to succeed as white people. Pretty simple concept to understand if you have any grasp at all of American history. \n\n>Do you actually know any POC? Most hate this shit too. You sound out of touch.\n\nWait wait wait... I thought these were diverse groups of people who couldn't be put into a little box? \n\nNo, they don't, hence the activist groups that keep springing up in response to constant police violence against innocent black people. \n\n",
">You're splitting hairs. Adding disadvantage and removing existing advantages are essentially the same thing. \n\nNo, they're not. By that notion, ending Jim Crow is as racist as implementing it.\n\nCountering existing advantages is fine; disadvantaging a group when the baseline is already flat is not",
">You are never going to end systemic racism by engaging in individual racism (which is absolutely, irrefutably the effect of affirmative action on individuals) because you can only beget more racists into the system. \n\nYou can, however, end its effects - which I would argue is more important ",
"You mean slap a band-aid on the problem, and the reason you think this is the solution is because you only care about one part of the equation. Is what is happening in America right now not good evidence that this doesn't work? ",
"And what part of the equation am I ignoring?\n\nAnd no, it's not. It is evidence of numerous flaws in the system, but none directly related to AA\n\nYes, there is pushback by racists, but this push back would happen anyway, and we shouldn't refrain from improving racial equality because of it - and we shouldn't refrain from electing black Presidents, which is far more infuriating to racists than AA",
"No, that's not what that notion means. It means that Jim Crow and affirmative action laws are both fundamentally based on racial discrimination by definition, unless you're operating under a different definition. You keep evading that for some reason, but it is the crux of what I'm saying. \n\nJim Crow clearly was worse for society than affirmative action laws are, but Jim Crow is not a thing anymore. The US government is not a white supremacist institution hell bent on shitting on black people and it hasn't been for half a century. There is no need for affirmative action laws.\n\nIf you injured your back and needed physical therapy, you wouldn't repair it by always being in relaxed, comfortable settings. You have to work hard to get it back into shape so you're up to speed with everyone else. The same principle applies to any group of people that have been oppressed. The group of people is your back, their oppression is the injury, and affirmative action/the welfare state are keeping it relaxed and comfortable, while physical therapy would be letting the group participate in the government and economy like everyone else does. \n\nAffirmative action and the welfare state have only served to remove incentives for a once oppressed ethnic group to rise out of poverty. If you have no job (or a shitty, low-paying one), kids, and no father in the household, you get a guaranteed check from the government. If you try to move up the economic ladder, you lose that paycheck and the stability that comes with it. People don't want to risk losing the stability they're used to, but especially so when raising children.\n\nBefore the welfare policies of the 1960's, the rate of single mother households in the black community was about 20%. Today it's around 75%. This has hit the black community especially hard but this trend exists for white and latino households as well and is only going to create more unnecessary poverty.\n\nAffirmative action lowers the standards specifically for black people to get into particular schools and jobs, which also has disincentivized acquiring the skills necessary to move up the economic ladder. If they were able to participate in the economy without help from the government like everybody else, there would be more black people acquiring the necessary skills to move up on their own accord, because it would be necessary. But it isn't necessary now with affirmative action. \n\nAlso telling black people en masse that the reason many of them aren't very high on the economic ladder is because of racist white people hasn't helped either. ",
">No, that's not what that notion means. It means that Jim Crow and affirmative action laws are both fundamentally based on racial discrimination by definition, unless you're operating under a different definition. You keep evading that for some reason, but it is the crux of what I'm saying. \n\nThe point, countering discrimination by removing an advantage is not racist, else removing Jim Crow would be racist.\n\nUnless AA gives an advantage over whites (as opposed to countering an existing advantage) then it is not racist.\n\nAs for the rest, you're strawmaning AA by conflating it with Welfare, and so I'm just going to ignore it.\n\nThe impact of Slavery and Jim Crow still reverberate through America; AA only serves to counter the disadvantages caused by those disgusting laws.",
"I'm just going to post the definition of racial discrimination because you're talking right past me and not actually addressing what I'm saying because you're conflating racial discrimination and racism.\n\n>the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.\n\nAffirmative action unjustly takes opportunities away from perfectly qualified non-black people for positions in particular schools and jobs specifically because they are not black people. That is racial discrimination by definition. Racism and racial discrimination are similar, but not the same. So really the one who is straw manning is you, because you're talking about *racism*, discrimination based on the idea that one's race is superior, and not what I'm talking about which is *racial discrimination*, which is discrimination based on your race/ethnicity (doesn't necessarily need the superiority complex).\n\nAffirmative action removes incentives for black people to acquire the skills necessary to climb up the economic ladder by lowering the bar of entry to get into particular schools and jobs, so they don't need to put in the work that everyone else does. The back injury analogy applies perfectly here (you would know that if you read my previous comment).\n\nAs I said earlier, you're only thinking about this in terms of how affirmative action is *intended* to work and not in terms of its actual long-term consequences.\n",
"Yes. And since it's not unjust, as it is countering existing advantages, it's not racial discrimination.\n\n>Affirmative action removes incentives for black people to acquire the skills necessary to climb up the economic ladder by lowering the bar of entry to get into particular schools and jobs, so they don't need to put in the work that everyone else does. The back injury analogy applies perfectly here (you would know that if you read my previous comment).\n\nDoes it? That's going to need a citation. \n\n",
"The economist Thomas Sowell talks about this specific topic in his book Intellectuals and Society. Great book, I highly recommend it, I learned quite a lot from it.\n\nFocusing specifically on schools, he talks about how because of affirmative action, young black kids get sent to learning environments that aren't suited for them. When top tier colleges and universities accept black students whose test scores are like those of students in the second tier of academic institutions, then those colleges and universities in the second tier, which now find themselves with a smaller pool of black applicants whose qualifications are suited to their institutions, are going to accept black students with test scores like those of students in the third tier - and so on down the line.\n\nHe also talks about a book called The Shape of the River by former college presidents William Bowen and Derek Bok, which claimed to refute this \"mismatching hypothesis\" by showing that black students graduated at higher rates the more selective the school they attended. However, Sowell writes that what would be more relevant to the test is the difference in test scores between black and white students at the same institutions. This difference has been less at Harvard, for example (95 point difference on combined SAT scores) than Duke (184 points) or Rice (271 points). \n\nOther data likewise indicate that black students graduate at a higher rate in colleges where their test scores are more similar to those of white students in the same institutions. As Bowen and Bok themselves say, \"there has been a much more pronounced narrowing of the black-white gap in SAT scores among applicants to the most selective colleges\".\n\nSo I guess I should correct myself: it's not that black people are worse off comparatively to other groups because they don't need to put in the work that everyone else does, it's that the current system that intends to help them actually hurts them by placing them in institutions that don't suit their intellectual needs, which results in a terrible education and not having the skills necessary to move up the economic ladder.",
"The question is, what results in more black students with degrees from top universities - aa or not aa?",
"I would ask a slightly different question, because you can still get a shit education at a top-tier university if you aren't suited for it (which also incentivizes higher dropout rates): does affirmative action incentivize a good education experience while the black students are at top universities or not? I don't think it does, because it puts black students in environments where professors are teaching to people with a higher IQ than them. The data indicates that more black students graduate when they attend schools where the white students are on the same intellectual page as them. ",
"If you graduate, your education can't have been that bad.\n\nIn any case, your argument is based on IQ?!? You realize how flawed a measurement that is, outside of certain very specific use-cases - which your case is not one of?",
"I think you would be surprised how many people leave top-tier academic institutions (or go on to work in them) with little to no regard at all for the scientific method. Particularly people in sociology, anthropology, gender studies, and women's studies departments (to be fair, there is still good work being done in soc/anthro, but the problem very much exists in those departments). \n\nI should have just said intelligence or SAT scores, because it is what IQ tests and the SAT test both test for. The SAT is basically an IQ test that determines where you should go to school based on the level of your intelligence, something that IQ tests test for. \n\nThe teachers of black students are teaching to people smarter than them in a lot of cases and it makes it unnecessarily harder for them. The argument is based on SAT scores.",
"not the FBI's greatest moment...",
"he should in the two dollar bill...",
"You still going on you triggered edgy teen. I told you get back to your divisive poltitics",
"A truly great man. ",
"Lol it is actually fucking pathetic to being so pissed and going around looking one persons history in website that have fucking thousands of users, just so you can label him because you do not have the ability to think for yourself and need labeling just how children are thought some stuff are \"bad\". Also shows how insufficent you are at proving his point wrong trying to bring up something absolutely unrelated. Good job child.",
"I wasn't pissed but k. Whatever makes you happy.",
"I don't sense there is much point in continuing with you. The people who are passed over for jobs because of affirmative action are human beings too, and extremely unlikely to be at fault for any historical disadvantages. You don't care about these *people* (the other part of the equation, my obtuse friend) because *you are a racist*. ",
"Sure, they're not at fault. But you must agree they still benefit from the advantages - and as such to remove these advantages is not unjust, as all it does is level the playing field",
"No, I don't agree they benefit as individuals. This is the whole point - you think people's individual advantages can be determined by the colour of their skin and cannot wrap your head around the real effects on individuals. Again, because you are a racist. In your eyes, white people *deserve* to be passed over for a job they are otherwise qualified for. ",
"No, they don't. But at the same time, black people don't deserve the disadvantages they suffer because of Racism.\n\nAs such, we can only reconcile this as fairly as we can, which is by leveling the playing field.\n\nYes, at an individual level this may be unfair, but at a societal level - the level we must operate at - it is fair.",
"/ColorizedHistory please get on this. It looks like there is a lot of contrast and detail we are missing or rather could be having. ",
"But is it racializing if a part of the problem is actually racial? Whatever your view is on if black people are treated worse than the police than other races - it’s safe to say that the worst relationship exists between the two and I don’t think it’s conducive to ignore that. Solving the issues with the group suffering disproportionately will improve things for everyone. A rising tide raises all ships.\n\n",
"No problem, friend!",
"You sure can regurgitate. ",
"#metoo",
"Everyone knows what you meant. I never claimed to be offended, so it's humorous to me that you seem to understand why it was offensive all on your own. \"Hurrr durrr it's just a joke guyz\" is the most tired and lame cop-out in human history.",
"I don't think it's conducive to blindly support racializing the victimhood of a group just because they receive higher rates of force without simultaneously acknowledging that this same group also attacks police more than any other racial group and commits more crime, especially violent crime, than any other racial group in the country. \n\nAnd mostly from a pragmatic political perspective of actually trying to get things done, I think it's a stupid move.\n\nJust as an aside, what would be your response if rich and famous and powerful White people made police shootings an almost entirely White issue in the vast majority of areas where Whites are actually shot at a higher rate than Blacks by police? It would be stupid right? It would be way smarter for them to approach it as a human issue right? Even though the fact is that they do get shot at a higher rate by police in almost every measured jurisdiction, it would be stupid to me at least. ",
"Well by saying that the only time I could tolerate a photo of MLK is during February. I obviously struck a chord. So if you feel like venting. Send me a message.",
"How's that novel coming?",
"I'm not writing one. ",
"You should, you seem really smart!",
"Having a basic grasp of middle school level spelling and grammar doesn't qualify someone to write a novel, nor does it give them the desire.\n\nYou're continuing a three day argument. Go home and rethink your priorities. ",
"That's a generalization. You lose. Bye!",
"No, that's deductive logic. Now, if I said, \"having a middle school understanding of language means you don't want to write novels\" then yes, you'd be right. But I was correct in saying that just because I have a basic knowledge, it does not necessarily follow that I have the skill or desire to write novels.\n\nExtra credit: if you're more concerned about scoring points than you are about finding the truth, you'll lose more often than you win. ",
"saved",
"He was a doctor AND a king? What a man!",
"You're still on this? It's been a week. I already won. That's depressing. I'll pray for you. ",
"My nigga, it has been two days. ",
"What do you mean?",
"I'd have more respect for you if you just owned up to it, but you're welcome to be deliberately obtuse instead.",
"Lol let it go. How come it took 2 weeks for a reply?"
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"Yes this is rabbit not reddit. :)",
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"maybe it's maybelline",
"And I wasn't able to get to work when it snowed a few inches.... ",
"-47? Are u shitting me? How can any living thing be outside in that weather? ",
"That’s pretty damn cold!",
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"My brother snapped this photo after the squirrel (named Stubbs, she has a stubby tail) finally found my window bird feeder and was busy cleaning it out. ",
"He looks wayyyyy stoned!",
"Duuuuuuuuddddeeeeeee these are the best seeds eveeeerrrrrrrrr..........",
"duuuueeee yyyyyyyouuuuuuuu coooooolllll !",
"It looks like there might be something else than seeds in the birdfeeder. That's a drunk squirrel.",
"I do have a compost pile, so she could have been getting into some fermented fruit back there......",
"\"Wot the fuk u lookin' at mate?\"",
"Of course#She is, she's into trees."
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"This seems like yesterday but it's almost 40 years ago",
"What an excellent time to unhook that motorcycle and get the hell out of there!",
"And that's why you never see Pintos anymore.",
"Well that doesn't look terrifying in the least ^^^^^^/s",
"\"...fuck.\"",
"Its images like this that made me want to become a geologist.",
"My parents actually knew this guy.\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_A._Johnston",
"Thank goodness he was able to upload the picture before he got killed.",
"They all perished in the volcano just like when all of the dinosaurs gathered together in the same place and the asteroid hit them ",
"It's a beat way to hook up a motorcycle. If never seen it done like that. \n\nEdit: neat...",
"That’s an interesting tow hitch on that Pinto. How’s the bike stay upright?",
"I'd like to assume photographer chose the dirt bike for his getaway",
"The amount of destruction this eruption caused to the mountain is astounding.",
"Front wheel is locked in place, I want to know where I can find that today!!!",
"What's even more scary is that it's been rebuilding itself pretty fast. Whether that's good or bad depends on your outlook.",
"Not sure if he took that picture, but he saved thousands of lives by making the call to shut down access to that area despite enormous pressure to not do so.",
"Actually pyroclastic flows travel faster than the speed of sound.",
"[Here](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/91/MSH80_bulge_on_north_side_04-27-80.jpg) is the bulge right before it blew. It was taken by Peter Lipman on 27 April 1980. According to [here](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MSH80_bulge_on_north_side_04-27-80.jpg#):\n\n> A \"bulge\" developed on the north side of Mount St. Helens as magma pushed up within the peak. Angle and slope-distance measurements to the bulge indicated it was growing at a rate of up to five feet (1.5 meters) per day. By May 17, part of the volcano's north side had been pushed upwards and outwards over 450 feet (135 meters). The view is from the northeast.\n\n[Here it is](https://giant.gfycat.com/CandidLiveIchthyosaurs.webm) rebuilding itself from 2004 to 2008. For those having trouble view the rebuilding on mobile, [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6B1myUKAS4) is the source video.\n\n^^^^^^^^[Déjà](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6fsmfp/mount_st_helens_eruption_1980/dikqp0k/) ^^^^^^^^[vu](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/6fsmfp/mount_st_helens_eruption_1980/dikqp0k/)",
"I've found a value to convert:\n\n- 450.0ft are equal to 137.16m or 720.0 bananas",
"\"Rub my bump!\"",
"http://www.motorcycle-rack.com/MFWT.html",
"You're beat.",
"That's nuts. When I was like seven or eight, I visited Mt St Helen's with my family, and I remember watching a video in the memorial centre/museum (can't remember the details) where we heard the recording of him saying \"Vancouver Vancouver this is it!\" For some reason I realllllyyy vividly remember that, probably because he died straight after. I always think of it when I hear about volcanos erupting. Sorry rambly story, just something that resonated with me when I was little. ",
"sadly he did not make it",
"But.... the pinto!",
"Good thing he was driving a Ford Pinto in such a dangerous place!\n\nhttps://www.reiffandbily.com/fords-fiery-pintos-lead-injuries-deaths-lawsuits/",
"Anyone identify the bike? Yamaha is my guess",
"How does it rebuild itself?",
"No need to apologize he was always a personal hero of mine. He litteraly gave up his life for science, and to save lives.",
"You know the photographer was had stones, because they were driving a pinto down an unpaved road, near a volcano, with something attached behind them. They were luck not to just spontaneously explode all on their own.",
"IT 175 or 125. Can't really tell but definitely the International Trials model. ",
"I think this also belongs in r/oldschoolcool for that pinto and dirt bike combo!",
"how do you know? any info?",
"The short answer is it's still an active volcano. I believe /u/Spartan2470's post is slightly inaccurate, because the bulge that erupted in 1980 was created by pressurized gas and magma within the volcano, while the lava dome which grew within the crater between '04 and '08 (which seems to be what the video shows) is non-pressurized, cooled magma which is still seeping up from below the mountain. The bulge itself isn't reappearing (thank goodness). Source: Visited the volcano in 2016, read everything there is to read in the visitor's center.",
"Hot red stuff pushes up and cools into rocks n shit or whatever ",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngtALzDAIcU\n",
"Fun fact: That eruption buried multi-ton ice chunks from the glaciers in super-heated ash and mud. So during the days after the eruption, search and rescue flights had to deal with explosive pressurized steam blasts from buried ice melting, with no way to tell which patch of grey mud might blow up next. Apparently some of the war veterans among the S&R pilots had real trouble handling it (with good reason, I'd imagine.)",
"Saw a documentary on this, the guy who took it didn't make it but miraculously the camera survived the incident. Just to give you an idea, those lavalances crawling down the mountain slope move at waay over 100 mph, the fallout area was huge and at that point dude wa sbasically dead sadly.",
"i liked beat better.",
"Does it concern anyone else as to the way that the motorcycle is hooked up? That picture of just the car belongs in \nr/shittyDIY",
"I live in Ohio and we awoke to like a half inch of volcanic dust on our cars. ",
"You are thinking of a different photo from a hiker. I found this about this specific photo:\n\n\n>“Hi Michael, you don’t know me but my daughter saw your post of Mt. St. Helens blowing and showed it to me because she recognized it. That Pinto and dirt bike belonged to a good friend of mine and when he stopped to turn around, he took this picture. He told me that there was lightning bolts shooting out of the smoke but he didn’t have the right filter on his camera to capture them at that moment. The picture could have been even more amazing. It was used on the TV news and used to be on the cover of Mt. St. Helens brochure at the Johnston Observatory / visitor center. He gave me an original 8×10 copy of it although it looked like he was a good distance away from the blast, he barely made it out of there alive. Had the blast came more in his direction he would have died in seconds. Sometime later he returned and photographed a burned-out pickup with a horse trailer attached to it. He told me he had talked to them that day and said they never made it out. He is a freelance photographer so he took some amazing pictures of the aftermath as well. Anyhow, I thought I’d let you know a bit more about that fabulous picture. Take care, Steve.”\n\nhttps://www.geekwire.com/2017/facebook-total-blast-rare-mount-st-helens-eruption-photo-gets-new-life-social-media/\n\n",
"> over 100mph\n\nThat doesn't quite do it justice. The picture was taken from his observation point 6 miles away and the wave of stuff shot out by the mountain reached speeds of 670 mph (according to Wikipedia). . .",
"I've found multiple values to convert:\n\n- 670.0mph are equal to 1078.26kph\n- 100.0mph are equal to 160.93kph",
"Wasn't he like the only person killed in it? ",
"Yeah nah fuck that.",
"can we get a volcano doctor in here to tell me just how fucked these people were? seems like they were pretty close",
"No, that's Robert Landsburg.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Landsburg",
"I was a toddler in Tacoma when this thing blew and man was it weird. It 'snowed' like 18\" of ash in our whole neighborhood and we all got stuck inside for a couple days until everyone figured out what to do with it.\n\nEventually everyone shoveled out and got snow plows to get rid of all the ash, it was definitely surreal. My parents have a bunch of pictures of my brother and I sledding in the ash. . .",
"That's not true; you're thinking of another photograph. As I recall, there was a fair amount of heat damage on the photos taken by the deceased. [More info on the source of this photo here...](https://www.geekwire.com/2017/facebook-total-blast-rare-mount-st-helens-eruption-photo-gets-new-life-social-media/)",
"Oh man. That is crazy. ",
"IIRC there were around a dozen killed, including a couple nearby campers\n\nEdit: 57 were killed \nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_eruption_of_Mount_St._Helens",
"Not sure if anyone cares but I watched this all go down from my front yard in Vancouver Wa..",
"When is it due for another eruption? How often does St. Helens erupt?",
"If you would compare it to the speed of sound at -200°C you could be right. But in 'normal' atmospheric conditions pyroclastic flow moves at speeds up to [200m/s](https://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/msh/pyroclastic.html) compared to ~340m/s at which sound travels.",
"I saw the eruption first-hand but the image in my head doesn't compare to the first time I drove there (years later because you weren't allowed to get close). I imagine the destruction like that of a BIG hydrogen bomb. There wasn't a tree standing for miles and miles. Thousands of trees, like toothpicks in Spirit Lake below. ",
"I had the same tow system for my Suzuki 185 around the same time. Once towed from Atlanta to FL but it didn't work all that well -- the bike liked to lean over too far from the forks and flop onto the ground when turning. That bike looks a bit like my Suzuki too except that looks like an after-market paint job.",
"Weird. I lived in nearby Bremerton Washington and we had only a light dusting.",
"I had one in the same time period to tow my Suzuki 185 enduro around. Didn't work all that well.",
"We have that National Geographic issue somewhere. Spooky pictures. I actually think about them from time to time over the years.",
"Yeah, if he'd only known he should have backed out instead of turning around. Last thing you'd want to do with a Pinto was expose your gas tank to fiery projectile rocks.",
"Well that's fucking terrifying",
"I don't know. The bike at least provided a crumple zone to the gas tank that the car itself didn't have.",
"\"Major\" eruption every 125 years or so with scattered minor ones. Or at least that's the last 500 years. ",
"I had one and it wasn't meant to keep the bike upright. It was designed so the bike would lean in turns, as if ridden. But, if you turned too sharply, like in the middle of a road when a volcano blows up in front of you, the bike would often lean too far and fold over onto its side. You'd have to get out and stand it back up again.",
"I care. Do tell. ",
"The color scheme is fantastic",
"A recent show about the eruption equated the energy released to 26 megatons, something around 25,000 Hiroshima's.",
"Agreed. But Volcanology is a [dangerous job](http://old.post-gazette.com/healthscience/20000827volcanoside9.asp). ",
"That was the day I was born...",
"Grew up camping and fishing around the mountain. We had planned to go over to my grandfather for a birthday get together. I will never forget my father yelling \"GET OUTSIDE THE MOUNTAIN JUST BLEW UP\"!! We wanted a better view so we drove up by the Triftway grocery store. We are lucky it blew out the other side. Not long after that the ash came. It was a moonscape when I woke the next morning.",
"What camera took this photo?",
"I recognize a dragon just below the middle, dipping from the sky with closed wings.",
"Not a volcano doctor, but I think that most people expected a standard vertical eruption. \n\nMount St. Helens was different in that, the north side of the slope was destabilized from a landslide which caused a lateral blast. The pyroclastic debris was literally ejected sideways. \n",
"That had to be terrifying! \n\nWere the waters that you usually fished disturbed by the eruption? If so, how long before the fish returned? ",
"I fabricated a bicycle tow system for my motorcycle in the same fashion. The guys from the American Picker's show passed me on the freeway, and we all did triple takes.",
"Not the same guy.\n\n",
"Care to share?",
"It probably exploded.",
"You couldn't pay me to be the unlucky SOB who has to go maintain that camera.",
"crazy, last image...last moment. I wonder if he did act fast enough given the bike, if he could of gotten away.",
"Wow, I remember",
"but.... her emails",
"Thats just less weight for the motorcycle to keep pushing.",
"It's the barbecue that seats four!",
"31 years old and I didn't know you could tow a dirt bike like that.",
"He beats his neat.",
"I was there in August. It occurred to me that if I lived in Washington, I'd petition the government to rename one of the scenic overlooks of the remains of the mountain the \"Bobby Jindal Educational Overlook,\" in honor of [this spectacular case of idiocy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-eBqthOvi0)\n\n\n",
"Lorde?",
"[Sure](https://ep1.pinkbike.org/p4pb5695991/p4pb5695991.jpg)",
"My bad you are right about that.",
"Cool concept! Although I’m not sure if this is the most efficient way to do it, why not attach the front wheel on the side of the motorcycle?",
"Fun fact: A Harry Truman died as a part of this (though, more-so as a result of his own stubbornness)\n\nedit: not President",
"This is the closest thing one could experience that’s equivalent to a nuclear blast without the radiation. It’s some really scary stuff.",
"This is actually the first image of this that I have seen that conveys the scale of it. Holy crap!",
"I'm pretty sure that is a Yamaha IT. I can't really tell what size.",
"I thought I was going to be let down by the absence of dick jokes in a comment thread that repeatedly referenced a bulge, but you saved it. ",
"Very nice time-lapse of the 'rebuild', thanks!",
"Not the President. Harry Truman's name was similar to Pres. Harry S. Truman.",
"How do you fit 57 Mount St. Hellens residents into a Pinto?\nPut them in the ash tray. Too soon?\n\n",
"Pinto: \"Save yourself! I'll only slow you down!\" \nBike: \"I won't leave you!\" \nPinto: [throws off bike, crashes into rocks] Now GO!\" \nBike: [sobbing] \"Noooooooooo!!!!!!\"",
"Well that wasn't very fun at all...",
"IIRC it threw a cubic mile of earth into the air in a few seconds. I can't really comprehend that.",
"He was kidding- we actually don't care. ",
"This was in 2010 or so. The front wheel is securely tied and bungeed to the bicycle; that was just the easiest place to put it.",
"Heat, chain and legs. You legs are in the way of most of where you could put it.. and even if they weren't, the exhaust is hot as fuck and the chain isn't something you want your tyre getting near.\n\nI think you are under-estimating how big a mountain bike tyre is. It wouldn't fit on the side of the motorbike well at all.\n\nThe drag from the tyre being like that on the bike will be minimal and imo is the best way to do it.",
"[Check out the volcanology episode of the Ologies podcast.](https://art19.com/shows/ologies-fb/episodes/26fa2611-2a28-47af-afe8-bf84db0f6935) It's a beautiful, insightful, and funny look into the passion behind the science. ",
"You lived west of the mountain, it blew north east and most of the ash went east then south east due to winds and such.",
"Did the pinto have a fiery escape ",
"and even that was way to close.\n\"Vancouver!, Vancouver!, This is it!*\"",
"Good bot. ",
"Wasn't even born when this happened, but I live 35 miles SW of St. Helens. Up on a giant hill with a direct view. Our view from here would have been life changing. The devastation and force of the eruption is unimaginable to me. ",
"I knew the Pinto was dangerous, but this?",
"lol.. you do know about Pinto's (car pictured) and its rear bumper issues?\n\n***KA-BLAMOOO***",
"I recall seeing a satellite image showing three huge rings of smoke around the planet. Desert Storm, Mount St Helen, and the Brazilian rain forest.",
"I knew that Pintos were prone to exploding, but COME ON!!",
"So this is what happens in Stranger Things between Season 1 and Season 2...they went on a road trip!",
"Damn.... At least ill die from a beautiful volcano eruption when it erupts...",
"\"What hump?\" ",
"Yes, I believe I saw this same video at the Johnson Ridge Observatory. And since then, I've been trying to find it on YouTube with zero luck. Also a huge fan of David and his work.\n\nBTW, I climbed Mt. St. Helens in 2006, during it's active phase. It was freaking AWESOME as the mountain was alive with small earthquakes, tiny landslides and steam coming out of it's rocky depths.",
"Planet Earth: y’all wanna see some shit? \n\n*A mountain explodes*",
"Ya ya ya",
"Wait. A landslide caused the eruption to happen?",
"Makes sense.",
"What do you mean? I mean, I've seen *Portlandia*. Is that what you're talking about?",
"Well there now is what we call an 'oh, shit' moment. Did the photographer live? ",
"Wtf that really puts it into perspective.. ",
"Hot lava racing toward an explodable Pinto - WCGW?\n\nMy father was in the area on a business trip at that time. I still have a small bottle of volcano dust that he brought back, as a souvenir.",
"I was there 20 years after the eruption and it was still a lunar hellscape. Went back 10 years after that and there were green plants and animals everywhere. Amazingly fast recovery.",
"Think it's one of those things like \"well ya had to be there to...\" ya know?",
"I've never seen a motorcycle push a Pinto before.",
"[Here is a picture taken May 17th 1980](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Mount_St._Helens%2C_one_day_before_the_devastating_eruption.jpg/800px-Mount_St._Helens%2C_one_day_before_the_devastating_eruption.jpg) the day before the eruption.\n\n\n\n[Here is the after pic](https://news.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/photos/000/203/20378.ngsversion.1422033656838.adapt.768.1.jpg) from aprox. the same vantage point.",
"It caused the eruption. ",
"Is this a picture of **THE** eruption, of of one of the phreatic eruptions leading up to it?",
"Wow. I never realized it left that big of a hole in the mountain. ",
"They sure do. ",
"It would have happened anyway. It just caused weakness on one side ",
"Never seen that bulge photo of Helens before, been there a couple of times.. Photo makes it a lot easier to realize how crazy that explosion must've been. Nasty earth pimple.",
"I'd love to see those pictures if you can post them. ",
"I Used to camp on the tootle river and there are still pieces of debris from bridges and buildings in it",
"Then on the flip side, there were these assholes who refused to evacuate because \"I've been living here for 50 years without an eruption from a 5 million year old volcano, so it surely won't erupt ever, despite scientists who spent their whole lives studying the damn thing telling me otherwise,\" which necessitated S&R in the first place.",
"Check out these 2 pix\n\n\n\n[Before](https://news.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/photos/000/203/20384.ngsversion.1422033660025.adapt.676.1.jpg)\n\n\n\n[After](https://news.nationalgeographic.com/content/dam/news/photos/000/203/20383.ngsversion.1422033659802.adapt.676.1.jpg)\n\n\n\nThere are some more here\n\n\n\nhttps://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/mount-st-helens-30th-anniversary-before-after-science-environment-pictures/",
"Contributed to how it erupted not the actual eruption. Without the landslide more force would have likely been directed upwards.",
"Even in 1980 people are still flexing their car",
"Any pics from the trip?",
"Yep. Though as far as I'm aware, S&R efforts were less about the relatively few of those, that they knew about, and more about the fence-jumpers, the volcanologists, and the people who were in areas they thought were safe but were still in the path of the flows (which they didn't really expect to occur.) St. Helens was actually among the first lateral-blast eruptions witnessed by modern volcanology, so they really didn't know for sure it was going to do that.",
"You know you need to get those pics and upload them, right?",
"More like the volcanic blast took advantage of a weak spot in the mountain. On April 23, 1980, a growing bulge was detected on the N-NE side of the volcano, [growing out as much as 5 feet a day.](https://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/hazardimages/picture/show/626) Less than a month later (May 18), Mt. St. Helens erupted. \n\nThey talked about the growing bulge on TV for quite a few days. It was obviously likely to have a major event, and anyone going into that area was taking a big risk. They were warned and, depending on where they went, subject to a fine because it was unsafe.",
"I've found multiple values to convert:\n\n- 320.0ft is equal to 97.54m or 512.02 bananas\n- 5.0ft is equal to 1.52m or 7.98 bananas",
"Can I get a source? I would love to read about this.",
"Remember watching a doc where a survivor recounts passing a young couple. They were going 80-ish mph. He was going 100+. He made it, they didn't. Point is that they were trying to evacuate, just not fast enough.",
"Woah that’s a cool way to tow a dirt bike. ",
"While this picture was being taken, over 2000 miles away on the east coast, I was being born in North Carolina.",
"I've found a value to convert:\n\n- 2000.0mi is equal to 3218.69km or 16896010.5 bananas",
"This was neither fun, nor a fact. Disappointed.",
"You can tow street bikes the same way too. ",
"Good bot",
"This whole post is full of people thinking it's this guy and it's not. It's kind of driving me nuts.",
"[This](https://i.imgur.com/GVkKZfu.jpg) is the best one I have of St. Helens itself. Taken from near the visitor's center, which is something like three miles from the mountain. That valley is full of volcanic ash and detritus, up to 200 feet deep. Behind me as I took this picture, you can see the line of destruction where the mudflows came over the ridge I'm standing on and halfway up the next one. Unfortunately, I don't have any good pictures of that. And if you zoom in on the peak, you can see the lava dome which is forming in the parent comment's gif, in the crater. For scale, that dome is a thousand feet high. Also, not all those wisps near the peak are cloud; it was smoking ever so slightly that day.\n\nHonestly, standing on that ridge was hair-raising; it felt like staring down the barrel of an eight-thousand-foot-tall cannon.",
"I think r/popping would like these pictures.",
"You can see a small lightning bolt on the right side of the pillar of ash.",
"Yes, this has been posted before and an acquaintance of the photographer posted about it. Every one else is confusing this with the hiker that laid over his camera to preserve the film inside, knowing he would not survive.",
"anyone know the name of that car? it's a beauty! That's the kinda car i want.",
"The Harry Truman you speak of lived next to Spirit Lake with a house full of cats. Before the eruption he visited schools to speak about living at the foot of an active volcano. His activities, or maybe it was the cats, displeased the spirit of the mountain, which dumped the entire northern flank of 9600 ft Mt. St. Helens on top of his house, (about .7 cubic miles of rock), much to the amusement of everyone who had told him to GTFO of there.\n",
"Honestly, I've never been able to find a print source, but I was told that story by a ranger at the St. Helens National Monument visitor's center when I asked what caused these craters I was seeing in the ground near the volcano. Honestly looked like pictures I've seen of shell craters. Here's a [picture I took](https://i.imgur.com/EH7JzvV.jpg) that day where you can see one if you zoom in.\n\nIf your google-fu is better than mine, though, I'd love to see any source articles you find!",
"I live in Spokane, WA and have a bunch of jars full of ash..",
"My great great something was one of this assholes 😆 yea he dead. ",
"That, my friend, is a Ford Pinto. Oh, and no you don't. ",
"Honestly, that is exactly the picture I was hoping to see. It's a great shot of the current condition of the area. You can see how much the lava dome has grown, and you can see how much the area has recovered in general. Life, uuuhhh... finds a way...",
"Wouldn't be surprised if that Pinto is still buried up there. ",
"heh, just read a comment about how awful of a car it was. The design looks so nice to me though.",
"Glad you like it! Everything really has come a long way compared to the pictures and videos I've seen. There are still obscene numbers of fallen trees pretty much everywhere else you look, but the area is recovering steadily.",
"Then you might [this](https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/6571008_f496.jpg) car or [this](https://www.carthrottle.com/post/todays-wtf-ebay-find-300hp-59litre-v8-amc-gremlin/) one.",
"this is the same reason why I didnt give a shit if all those people in new orleans died when katrina hit. fucking idiots.",
"That seems like an important detail.",
"Probably not good for the life of your chain, bearings, countershaft seal, etc.",
"Looks like it could be an Instagram filter.\n\nBut who would be driving a Pinto these days? Didn't all those cars blow up or something?",
"Unexplained fires are a matter for the court!",
"I have a bunch in this album: https://imgur.com/a/CmOxe. I went on an overnight trip to the north rim of St. Helens in 2014. ",
"You can tow people like that too ",
"Those are fantastic. I bet that was an amazing trip, and an absolutely surreal hike",
"Dude! Im currently in the process of rebuilding a KZ, nice bike!\n\nKz440 https://imgur.com/gallery/Oy2nO",
"Literally why I ignore my heart. My dream job is to be a volcanologist. My second dream is to be a mom. The two don't mix. ",
"Shit, my dad just welded a small I-beam to the bumper of his station wagon, blocked one end, and bungeed it to the luggage rack when he raced motocross. ",
"Sort of. [This gif shows what happened.](https://imgur.com/gallery/toxRCrd) The magma chamber under Mt. St. Helens was already full and under intense pressure, and was causing the mountain to bulge outward 5 feet per day. On May 18 there was a 5.1 earthquake directly under the mountain that caused the unstable north slope to slide, allowing the highly-pressurized gas and molten rock to explode outward laterally, as opposed to vertically as is more commonly seen in volcanic eruptions. There would have been an eruption eventually, but the landslide triggered the eruption that did occur.",
"I see her everyday when I drive home, it's my favorite of the local mountains, such history, and covered in snow right now ",
"You'll get downvoted for being insensitive.\n\nBut the real reason your comment doesn't make sense was due to the fact that the real cause of damage wasn't the natural disaster alone, but the man-made issue that happened without warning. \n\nSo sure, I agree that they should have evacuated simply because of how ridiculous the storm was. But without human error, the storm wouldn't have caused what occurred. ",
"While there definitely were assholes like that, there were other reasons why there were so many people in need of rescue. Scientists had no idea the mountain would blow laterally to the north, so the exclusion zone to the north was much smaller than we now know it should have been. In addition, there was political pressure on the USGS from the governor's office & railroad and logging companies, who wanted access to the mountain opened back up, as it had been closed for months with limited eruption activity taking place. *Eruption: The Untold Story of Mount St. Helens* is a great book about it. ",
"The guy that took this died ",
"The eruption would have happened, but without the weakness of that side it would have likely erupted upwards.\n\nThe landslide only happened because of the rumbling of the mountain... so around we go. ",
"He actually died. From that distance there *was* no escape. ",
"So in 7 months I can repost this?",
"Every time I see this photo I get a weird mixed up nostalgia feeling. The photo makes makes me think of Dantes Peak. Even though it was a 90s movie, I get that early 80s vibe because Pierce Brosnan will always be Remington Steele. ",
"We have friends that live near there. They say \"St. Helens is a bitch, but we love her\". It is a funny yet somber sentiment.",
"good bot",
"Pretty rad photo...how high did the ash get during this eruption? ",
"Yeah, my parents retired like a 5 hour round trip from where I live. I'll get them if I remember, but I probably won't be down there for months... ",
"Yeah, my parents retired like a 5 hour round trip from where I live. I'll get them if I remember, but I probably won't be down there for months... ",
"Mountains can repair themselves? Huh. TIL. ",
"Volcanic [kettles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kettle_(landform))? Fucking amazing! Awesome shot!",
"Fair enough. If you can get them, that's guaranteed karma. I'm sure lots of folks here would think it was cool. I imagine it's like a scene from South Park.",
"I was going to ask why there weren't any trees regrowing after 38 years considering that volcanic soil is supposed to be super fertile, then I realised that those ARE trees and the sheer scale of what I was looking at; Fantastic photo, thanks for sharing it.",
"Thanks! They didn't have water in them when I was there, but yes, that's pretty much exactly the idea. I had no idea that's what that was called. Very cool!",
"There's a conspiracy theory that the government pulled quite a few Sasquatch bodies out of the forest after the eruption. There's even photos of helicopters flying off with what appears to be a giant person suspended in a net below the helicopter.",
"Jeez! I hope the guy who took the picture abandoned the Pinto and just tore ass out of there on the dirt bike.",
"Yeah, the scale is a bit deceptive! The mountain itself is *way* bigger in person than the photo makes it seem, too. Glad you liked it!",
"Not sure what is more dangerous. The volcano or the pinto.",
"Those are amazing. I didn't have the gear or permit to do any hiking in the area when I went, but I would love to go back and do that someday.",
"No biggie to use a chain breaker and pull the chain off prior to transporting. Are master links a thing on motorcycle chains? My moto has a shaft drive.",
"So awesome! ",
"\"Asshole\" is a strong word. I like Harry R Truman. Quite the character. he just didn't want to leave. I've seen different interviews with him. One where he seems to be in denial, \"No way that mountain has enough stuff to cause me trouble.\" (paraphrasing) and another where he seems genuinely scared. But he settled there in the 20's and had no intention of leaving. Ever. He was an old man at the end of his life and it was his own piece of heaven.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/39d_RiOd6do?t=374\n\nHe was probably killed instantly and everyone knew it. I only get into this because I think you were referencing him in the context of Search and Rescue. I doubt very much anyone mounted a rescue attempt, and therefore risked their life for him.\n\nTo recap:\n\n\"You have to evacuate.\"\n\n\"No, this is my home.\"\n\n\"We won't be able to rescue you.\"\n\n\"I'm old and cranky. Leave me alone.\"\n\nMountain explodes and he dies alone.\n\nEdit: Off the replies I was inspired to re-watch Dante's Peak. Man... that movie does not hold up. What say you? Shall I inflict Volcano upon myself?",
"Removing a master link every time you want to transport your motorcycle seems like quite a hassle. I guess it's better than nothing if you don't have a truck.",
"Looks like a poster for “Stranger Things 3”",
"Im from around that area, and believe you me, those fools had DAYS of notice to gtfo out of new orleans. they were told in no uncertain terms that this was not a normal hurricane that you could ride out and that nola was about to get fucking wrecked the likes of which no one has seen. what do they with this info? they say fuck it and ride it out anyway. you cant fix stupid.\n\nwhat human error or man made issues are you talking about?",
"\"You should have seen the look on Mikes face lol\"",
"It didn't need hot lava to catch on fire. ;-)",
"And we're fucked.",
"It's an overhyped myth.",
"haha holy shit. That is a lot of fucking rock gone. ",
"That movie is a guilty pleasure of mine. I like that some sound science made its way into the script even if, only a bit. ",
"WTF, Mt St Helens!? Not cool dude.\n\nGet a load of Mt St Helens over here, being a total douche!",
"I remember visiting the Johnston Ridge Observatory at Mount St. Helens and watching a brief documentary about the eruption. At the start of the film they played the last words of David Johnston, a volcanologist who was observing the mountain right as it erupted. He had enough time to radio the words \"Vancouver, Vancouver this is it!\" right before the shockwave hit him. Hearing his frantic last words as he witnessed one of the most dramatic spectacles in his field of study gave me chills.",
"Every couple years. But the \"St Helens eruption\" was extremely unusual. \n\nThe next big catastrophic volcanic event in the NW is probably Rainier. \nhttps://geology.com/usgs/rainier/\n\n",
"Am I mistaken in thinking that not even a nuclear bomb could do that sort of damage? \n\nI mean even the Tsar Bomba, could it demolish a mountain like that? ",
"*<Stranger Things theme begins>*",
"I wonder what's next? Hood? Baker? Rainer (pls no)?",
"My grandpa said he took a Rainier beer and a lawn chair to the top of the hill they lived on and watched the mountain blow.",
"Neighbor: John, you need to evacuate.\nJohn: God will take care of me.\nPolice: Sir, you need to evacuate.\nJohn: God will take care of me.\nHelicopter pilot: GET IN THE BASKET\nJohn: God will take care of me.\nJohn dies.\nJohn: God, why didn't you take care of me?\nGod: I sent a neighbor, I sent a cop, I sent a freaking helicopter!",
"I should save this so i can repost it also!",
"Largest landslide in recorded history.\n\n\n\nhttps://learnodo-newtonic.com/mt-st-helens-eruption-facts",
"I just found this page that said it was 1600 times more powerful than the bomb dropped on Hiroshima, I don't know how that would compare to the Tsar Bomba but their was destruction as far as 19 kilometers from the volcano.\n\n\n\nhttps://learnodo-newtonic.com/mt-st-helens-eruption-facts\n\n\n\nI lived in Seattle my entire life & was 13 when it erupted, I just checked & we were 90 miles as the crow flies & that ash cloud was enormous.\n\n\n\n*Edit, just found this\n\n\n\n>With a yield of 50 megatons (Mt) itis equivalent to 1,400 times the combined power of the bombs that destroyed Hiroshima and Nagasaki\n\n\n\nSo Tsar Bomba was 1400 times as powerful as both bombs dropped during WWII",
"I love the hue of this pic. thanks for posting",
"Wow. I’ve never seen that shot of the eruption. Great pic. ",
"Leave the pinto ",
"The entire forest in the before picture is gone in the second picture. ",
"Same, but I am a dad. My heart says Geology but life is sort of in the way right now. ",
"I think they're referring to the failure of the levees. Man-made.",
"Lol off topic but we still have a thriftway in my college town. Smells like cigarettes and sadness every time I go in there. ",
"I have lived in Seattle my entire life & when people were allowed we went & I really can not describe the sheer size of the devastation, as you rise up mountain the blast zone just kept going & going.\n\n\n\nIt is so amazing when you go today how quickly the ecosystem has returned, right after the blast scientists were saying it would be a dead zone for many years due to the immense heat scorching everything, but that proved false & plant life started returning almost immediately.",
"Just like Gam-Gam in Dante's Peak",
"Clarification (since I was confused): the bulge picture was taken 27 April, 1980. The eruption happened on 18 May, 1980.\n\nI thought the picture was taken \"right before\" as in a couple minutes, but it was bulged like that for almost a month. Absolutely crazy.",
"Yeah to hell for those who didn't have the financial means to move elsewhere /s",
"Did it fall off or something?",
"Looks like a Yamaha IT175",
"This is an epic pic.",
"I call bullshit on this. I was there. \n\nWestern Washington only received dustings northwest, and north of St. Helens. That 18” may have happened in Yakima and other points NE of the eruption, but not Tacoma. ",
"This was a mandatory evacuation order, not a recommendation. There were plenty of ways to get out of the affected areas. ",
"The failure of the man made levees was predicted, hence the mandatory evacuations. ",
"Yeah, the earlier comment about 18” of ash in Tacoma just comes from a karma whore. ",
"Mt. Baker seems to be a more active volcano than Ranier. I'd put my bet on that. It has had minor activity in the recent past, and it's not uncommon to see steam coming off the mountain from Sherman's Crater in the mornings.",
"This was my dad's birthday at the same hour he was born. I believe he was turning 15.",
"Ill wait exactly 10hrs",
"\"... it's gone now, but you should have seen it!\"",
"In McMinnville, OR we were cleaning several inches of ash of the vehicles. ",
"/r/gifsthatendtoosoon",
"I was 10 years old when it erupted, living in los Angeles county. I remember being outside on my bmx bike when it started to snow - ash.\n\nAlways remember how heavy it was. Nature is amazing/ scary ",
"Almost positive that’s a Yamaha IT 200 or 250 with stock paint job. Great bike. ",
"What's that first one?",
"Links please!!",
"I climbed Mt St Helens in 2009. The devastation is incredible.\n\nOn a side note, anyone else see a blowing face in the smoke?",
"I was living in Denver when it erupted. There was a light fall of gritty ash soon after. It reminded me of sandblasting grit, aluminum oxide. ",
"So I see you found north korea.",
"There's a video on YouTube somewhere I tried looking for it earlier... If you type mount st.helen Sasquatch conspiracy that should put you on the right track.",
"Of I goooo.... Thanks!",
"*shifts sides*",
"Baker hasn't erupted in over 5,000 years. It would be extremely unlucky of us to be around when it erupts again. Rainier has been pretty active in more recent history.",
"As someone who watched the reports on tv as a kid, noooooooo...",
"I would think that would really wear down your MB tire. ??? it handled it fine I assume?",
"They had a flaw in the gas tank design, so if rear ended they did, but didn't spontaneously explode.",
"It would be beautiful, if not for the horrific destruction.",
"Man almost 2 photos in a row about mountains in my state! ",
"i dont \"have to \"do anything",
"Thank you doctor",
"It was. Our trip leader was a very knowledgeable scientist from the Mt. St. Helens Institute. It was fascinating to learn about the eruption and ongoing recovery. Eerie but beautiful. ",
" You are super right I have an 1984 it 200.... and that is the color scheme and body style and they look the same back to 1977",
"Taking a master link off takes like 15 seconds...",
"To some extent the media shares responsibility for his death. The media just *loved* the guy and did repeated interviews with him, basically turning him into a folk hero. He reportedly loved the attention he was getting which reinforced his determination to stay. If they'd left him alone he may very well have left, like you said at times he seemed genuinely scared about what would happen. ",
"wait, so you got ash from the eruption all the way down the west coast to Los angeles?!",
"r/oldschoolcool?",
"Unsubscribe",
"Our house in Vancouver shook.",
"Only 3 of the 57 deaths were people within the designated danger zone. All the others were *outside* the danger zone, some were a long way from it. The designated danger zone was too close to the volcano - geologists simply didn't realize the potential of the volcano, they had never seen a lateral blast of that size before. Plus, the government was reluctant to impose restriction on commercial logging areas by putting them within the danger zone.",
"That's a weird way of hauling a motorcycle. \n\nSweet Pinto though",
"My dad said it was there was volcanic ash settling all the way in Nelson BC",
"What was it like being a kid during the next couple of days? Was it discussed in school? Did you hear it?",
"This movie gave me nightmares at a young age. At this same age, I watched Halloween, Blair Witch Project and Texas Chainsaw Massacre.. Dante’s Peak took the cake.\nI lived in Dallas and was terrified that a volcano could “hit” at any moment",
"Every time someone posts this pic I learn something new and horrifying about Mt St Helens. ",
"Not sure what's more dangerous; the volcanic explosion or the Pacer-X.",
"For Gods Sake Stay Away from the Pinto!!!",
"Ever watch Volcano? ",
"Nope! Is it worse?",
"The USGS lists a small scale eruption in 1843 and 1880. While not a St. Helens level eruption.. it is an eruption. ",
"Yeah, it's important to remember that St Helens didn't so much 'erupt' as 'explode.'",
"Volcano is a terrible movie",
"Yes, but a volcano erupts in LA. So, for a kid in Dallas it may have caused worry. Very bad, but fun. Tommy Lee Jones stars. ",
"This picture is super fucking dope",
"If he were pushing it, it would explode",
"The Ford Pinto: Unsafe at any eruption.",
"Interesting how you’re being voted down, even though you’re the one who’s correct.\n\nI was in Seattle at the time. Amazing how there was only a slight dusting here, but a town less than 40 miles away was somehow blanketed , ",
"For those interested [here is a album](https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/eruption-mount-st-helens-1980/) I found on google with very interesting photos. The photo-album is called \"The Eruption of Mount St. Helens in pictures, 1980\".",
"poor old guy died? lemme search that... \n\n\"I ain't leavin. I need the mountain and the mountain needs me.... <blah> <blah> <blah>\" \n\nOk, that's not so bad then.",
"/u/hodmandod There appear to be some of those craters here in this picture!",
"I laughed way to hard at this comment ",
"/u/hodmandod There appear to be some of those craters here in the second picture!",
"That's literally an article about a facebook post. lol. ",
"Haha yeah, I was very worried. I remember having nightmares about volcanos in the distance erupting. It was a bad time for me.. if I had to watch a movie about a volcano in a big city, I would have lost it",
"The devastation is still really clear, though. Most of the trees are still down on the ground in the surrounding hillsides and the lake in front contains a shit ton of floating tree trunks. I’m glad it was left as is, though. It’s impressive just how far the blast traveled. ",
"You're right! Those are way more obvious than my picture. Though almost 40 years of plant growth and erosion does wonders to hide small features like that.",
"About 7/10ths of a cubic *mile* of mountain...",
"I never realized it was rebuilding itself. ",
"+1 for nasty earth pimple",
"I was east of this about 50 miles. Imagine looking out the back door and seeing that in the sky. ",
"He may have died alone on that mountain anyway, even if it didn’t blow. He was old. It was/is a slice of heaven. WA has some amazingly beautiful places. I would love to take my final breaths looking out over the bridge at Deception Pass or up on chair 4/5 at Mt. Baker. It’s church like, ya know?",
"And fish too! The recovery is so lovely. And sooner than I ever expected. Cool! ",
"I count maybe 8 of them? If I was a pilot, I'd have a problem with those too. Damn.",
"Yep. Pintos were quite safe for the time.",
"Chain is disconnected, just wear on the rear tire. Real dangerous to leave the chain on if you hit a bump it could drop into gear.",
"Something like that, yeah. I don't think I'd have handled that kind of thing at all gracefully either.",
"Beautiful picture. Truly nice shot. ",
"Thank you! :)",
"RemindMe! 7 hours \"Check for those ash sledding pics\"",
"Fantastic! Really nice! I have a goal of hiking up there, but I have to do much more to get into shape before even attempting a short hike. You all did a lot! I am impressed. ",
"And maybe the bulge in the photo wasn’t the “final form” or something. As in it got even bigger! ",
"Remember the tracks in the ash? It was so weirdly stable for tracks. Deer, dogs, cats, yes, but also birds, bugs, spiders... it was a trip. Bugs would get cut on the sharp ash particles, so they’d start slowly circling in smaller and smaller spirals until they’d kak it in the center of the spiral. ",
"I care! Good stories! ",
"Also, I think it's worth mentioning these \"small features\" as you described them are probably small only in comparison to the scope of the whole eruption and aftermath. Any idea how big these craters actually are/might be?",
"That is the AMC Pacer. It actually was a pretty cool car, with good ability to see around you. It road well too. (Don't recall how maintenance friendly/dependable it was though.)",
"The ridge I was on is a thousand feet high and a couple of miles from the mountain. St. Helens itself is eight thousand feet high, and the picture honestly makes it seem about half the size it really appears from standing there.\n\nI'm honestly really bad at estimating size and distance, but I'll bet you could comfortably fit a car in most of them.",
"WHOA!",
"Must have been near me...",
"No, YAKIMA didn’t get nearly 18”, closer to three. If that. As I recall, places like Ritzville and west of Spokane got the deep dumps because they were far enough away that weight of the lighter ash particles finally caught up with gravity, and the speed those particles were traveling away from the mountain didn’t keep them in the air. Thus it rained ash. ",
"There wasn’t 18” of ash in Tacoma. That’s hyperbole.\n\nEdit: I do enjoy a clever username! Yours is good, very good! ",
"Yep, crazy huh. I was 9 or 10 at the the time so details are fuzzy, but I remember seeing it falling, not knowing what is was, then it really started to buildup on the cars in a hurry. \n\nI don't really remember how long it lasted, but think it was for a couple of days. \n\nMind you it wasn't inches thick, but enough were after just a minute you would see the buildup. ",
"How old were you? Tacoma didn’t get that deep of an ash fall. I could totally see a little kid memory making it seem like it was snow deep. I mean, most people did use snow shovels to get rid of the accumulations. ",
"Yup, he's got huge eyebrows right? Seeing all kinds of faces, creature from the derp lagoon, a baboon - look I'm tired, okay? Sorry for yelling. We cool? Allllright.",
"Sure. Once you get the tool out. Then you spend another 15 seconds getting the chain off.\n\nNow your hands are all oily from handling the chain.\n\nThen putting the chain on and putting the master link back on is more than 15 seconds each. \n\nAnd of course, this assumes you don't have an \"endless\" chain.",
"I’m currently living near the scene of a potential land slide/slump and there are several families with the same attitude at the bottom. I can’t believe these folks. Come on! You will not prevail! A crapton of dirt and rock is ready to bury you any minute! ",
"Are you sure that’s not the Ford Pinto’s gas tank exploding? ;) ",
"I love beets",
"Ever notice how hyperbole sounds so much more gentlemanly than bullshit? Hats off to a tactful Redditor. ",
"Whats really weird is, he and his cabin are still buried under there, somewhere.",
"Seeing it up close is more impressive. St. Helens is almost 14,000 feet tall. ",
"It's about half the height of Everest.",
"Less and less as time goes on.",
"Plume looks like evilly satisfied broccoli. ",
"Was cameraman not scared?",
"Well, it actually wasn't Tacoma, we moved shortly after the eruption. I just didn't want to dox myself by mentioning the really small town we lived in at that point. Tacoma is where we moved to (good ol' Tacoma Aroma...) ",
"Gonna have to keep waiting... ",
"Bully for you. I was also there. Please come back with a scientific report of how much ash fell in my yard as a kid and when you can't shut the hell up...\n\nI was a kid and there are pictures in our photo albums. Now, can I say 100% that it was 18\" deep, without a doubt. Can I say 100% that 18\" fell from the sky exclusively due to the eruption and not say because wind or snow plows pushed it into my yard? No, (and I never said it did) and who gives a shit other than contrarian assholes on the internet like you... ",
"\nIs the US Geological Survey authoritative enough for you? Tacoma received a trace to 1/2” at the most according to this USGS [ash fall map.](http://www.mshslc.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/3_ashfall_intro1.jpg) \n\nThe weight of 18 inches of ash in a major metropolitan area would’ve spelled a structural disaster for most buildings with flat roofs—and the Tacoma industrial areas had plenty of flat roofs. Yes, the ash was powdered stone, but it still had the weight of stone. Even with 5 inches, roofs were collapsing in communities just west of Spokane.\n\nYou obviously lived somewhere NE of Helens, and we’ll chalk it up to a toddler’s inexact memory, or being 16” in height yourself at the time. ",
"You’ve pintoed before!",
"Hmmm. Obviously [Harry R. Truman’s ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_R._Truman) neighbor just down the road. No wonder you moved away from your mystery town after the eruption. The eruption’s lahar probably flushed y’all downstream to civilization. ",
"That's the same bike I learned to ride on... Yamaha IT250 I think it is.... Great bike. I remember when this happened... Kind of surprised that a picture would make its way out from that close... Any info on who snapped it? ",
"Stranger Things 3",
"I thought this was a painting",
"Well, technically it wasn't in Tacoma, but I don't want to go mentioning the small town I lived in plus most people wouldn't know where that was, so I mentioned the biggest town nearby that we moved to shortly after.\n\nOnce again, I don't put doubt the USGS survey for what fell, all I know is our yard had 18\" of it pretty much throughout for several days and my parents have pictures of me playing in it.\n\nAn no, this wasn't NE of Mt. St. Helens. But since you \"were there\" I'm sure you know more than my own memories and non-photoshoppable film pictures from the time.\n\nAlso, I was a tall toddler, at the time I was about 3' tall and the pics show ash up to my waist. But you were there, right? Get off your fucking high-horse correcting people's fucking lives man. If you didn't experience what I experience, awesome, that's good for you, but it doesn't mean mine didn't fucking happen.",
"I experienced a maximum 1/2” dusting in the Tacoma area, corroborated by the USGS. That’s why I called your original post bullshit. \n\nYou could not have experienced this within 72 miles of Tacoma (straight-line distance from the city to the mountain). All the heavy ash started at the mountain and went in the opposite direction from Tacoma. You weren’t in Tacoma’s freakin’ suburb, OK? \n\nIf you can’t tell us where you were, you might as well opt out of the conversation. You have no credibility in this discussion. Unless, of course, you’d like to change your story a third time. ",
"My wife and I visited Mount St Helens in 2013 (I think) right after we got about an inch of snow. Nobody was on the roads, so it was very quiet. We stopped to take pictures at the sign at an overlook, with the volcano in the background. After a couple of minutes we became aware of how eerily quiet it was. I would say it was the most silent I've ever heard outdoors. \n\nThen, we heard a couple of rocks roll down the hill about a hundred feet away.\n\nWe got out of there pretty quickly!",
"My story has not changed one bit, I just don't like posting my address of my house where I fucking grew up on Reddit. If you'd like to do that, go right ahead, and if you need that level of accuracy for fact checking, then fuck you.\n\nI'm perfectly fine with my story and here's the thing, if you don't believe me, then don't fucking believe me, but it happened to me and that's my story. If you didn't get that much ash, well, cool story bro. But I did. . . \n\nWhat part of Tacoma did you live in?",
"If you go there you'll still see all these dead tree trunks lying flat on the ground in the direction of the blast everywhere. It's surreal ",
"Nothing you have said has proven it false, so sure, why wouldn't I stick to the truth?\n\nAlso, you're asking me to post my address, why haven't you posted yours so I can fact check how much ash you got? I mean, you first, right?",
"You weren’t within 72 miles of Tacoma. That’s where the heavy ash fall started, and it went the opposite way. Give it up. Or consult the USGS map once again. ",
"Sure was, but it's okay, you'll just have to settle for not being right. . .",
"[This.](https://imgur.com/a/s1qJv) ",
"Posting pictures because your words aren't working? Brave approach. Let's see if it works out Cotton. . .",
"There's not much weight on the tire, so it wasn't too bad. I usually tried to stay under 45mph so I wouldn't cook the hub, however. I'm pretty sure I had some premature failures in the hub pawl springs, but those are like $0.50. I believe the bike would be considered a trailer and require dot tires and tags, but I never got pulled over by the cops.",
"Nice! I love the raw finish and cafe seat! \n\nI have an immaculate '76 Cb200 for putting around town and slow mountain roads, but the 750 is gone. ",
"is the person who took this picture dead? ",
"fish survived? wow seriously, i thought that whole lake turned into boiling acid.",
"> mount st.helen Sasquatch conspiracy \n\nhuh apparently there was an area known for bigfoot sightings before the eruption interesting",
"It was designed so that the bike would lean when the car turned but if the turn was too tight, the bike would go all the way over.",
"I had one and was going to mention that. In my case I undid the chain so the only wear was the tire and bearing. No chance of accidentally getting into gear and causing major damage.",
"I was just there over Christmas. \n\nGot to hike in in the Ape Caves lava tube. \n\nIf you ever feel like some casual day spelunking, it's a great hike. perfect for a hot summer day. Go underground and cool off for a bit. \n\nWatch out for the Balrog though. ",
"They didn’t survive, they came back.",
"Thanks for the explanation",
"“I was a toddler in Tacoma...”\n\n“Well, technically* it wasn't in Tacoma, but...”\n\n“My story hasn’t changed one bit...”\n\nThere’s a point where words become useless. \n\n* [USGS Fact: not within 72 miles]",
"Well, technically I was a toddler in Tacoma, just not at the time of the eruption. I lived in a small town outside the city and I thought that would be easier for people to get the location of AND not dox my childhood too much. \n\nBut you know, everyone shares every intimate detail of their lives online, right? I mean, how do I know your story is accurate? You haven't produced any facts about your life either. Yours is as believable as mine. You're clinging to that USGS map like it proves anything other than what the average ash fall near Tacoma was. \n\nWhat's your address and let's see how much you got. What part of the city did you live in? If you know the city, what elementary school did you go to? Your words are useless against my experience. If you want to keep banging your head against it, be my guest, but I know what happened in my life and you're just a dick who thinks a number on a map means more than it does. \n\nSo please, prove to me you were there, start laying out the details of your life around that time like you expect me to do... ",
"oh ok",
"Looking back on it with the wisdom of age, I imagine now that the lower the bumper or hitch was, the better it would work and mine was probably higher than the Pinto's (Oldmobile (what's that) Cutlass Supreme)\n",
"A Cutlass Supreme! Mighty fine ride. They are all but relics now ",
"Yea I did a quick search after reading your comment and couldn't find anything lol. I thought you had some hidden source, but anyways thanks for the insight and picture!"
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"It was a sticky situation. ",
"35 mph wave of hot molasses... nope I am good. Killed 20+. I have a fear of getting burned to death, this is the one way that would be worse. Can’t imagine looking at a wall of shit blitzing through city streets. ",
"damnit.... beat me to it... I will leave not (head down)",
"Those aren’t mountains, those are waves...of molasses. ",
"The Great Molasses Flood (Boston Molassacre) occurred on January 15, 1919 in Boston Massachusetts. \n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood",
"Show called Drunk History streaming on Hulu actually has an episode on this event. Entertaining and educational! ",
"Wikipedia: Two days before the disaster, warmer molasses had been added to the tank, reducing the viscosity of the fluid. When the tank collapsed the fluid cooled quickly as it spread, until it reached Boston's winter evening temperatures and the viscosity increased dramatically. The Harvard study concluded that the molasses cooled and thickened quickly as it rushed through the streets, hampering efforts to free victims before they suffocated. ",
"It (kind of) happened a yesterday in France, but fortunately the tank didn't explode but had a massive leak of 8500 cubic meters of beet molasses instead (around 2 240 000 gallons) they had to build a dirt dam around the whole sugar plant !",
"You don’t feel anything except fear. \n(Was burned down to the organs and died in hospital.)",
"I read about that",
"Ungeniused with Myke Hurley (/u/imyke) and Stephen Hackett over at relay.fm did a great episode on this. Definitely worth a listen!\n\nhttps://www.relay.fm/ungeniused/20"
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"If the sun is suppose to warm the earth, WHY THE FUCK IS IT ONLY 9 degrees outside?? ",
"Looks alot nicer in the morning. I live in Iowa as well and managed to get a screenshot of the double rainbow as well before the clouds blocked the sun https://imgur.com/rKMiUZu",
"I don't think I've ever seen a double rainbow like this one!",
"It must be burning out "
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Sunrise in Iowa
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"Wasn't the cargo a special kind of oil that is so light it almost can mix with water?",
"It seems so\n>“Because this is light crude oil spill, relatively speaking it has a much smaller impact than other oil spills, because this kind of oil is especially volatile – most of it has entered the atmosphere, so it’s had less impact on the ocean,” Zhang was quoted as saying.",
"Whenever I hear people bashing electric cars as environmentally unfriendly...",
"Oh well at least its just in the atmosphere not the ocean.",
"Because the atmosphere needs more pollution?",
"Technically with this type of stuff atmosphere is better as it can disperse it better than water. So jokes aside, yeah it is better. Would have been even better if it didn't happen though, obviously.",
"This is what I always pictured whenever I play Battleship.",
"So the hell does this still happen with GPS, Loran and excellent radar systems?",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanchi_oil_tanker_collision",
"\n\nhttps://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:122.7/centery:31.1/zoom:6\n\nI believe this will open in the area where the accident happened. That spot in particular is just pure chaos in motion.\n\n\nIf it doesn't open in the sea next to Shanghai, find mainland Japan and from the bottom of the island move west/left until you're just off the coast of China, that should put you close to where the accident happened."
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The burning Iranian oil tanker that has sunk today.
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"cross posted in r/retrofuturism",
"Was just telling the youngsters at work about this show after discussing The Love Boat. No one believed me.",
"Was the show called, “1979”?",
"The show was called 'Supertrain', after the titular locomotive. Was like a Loveboat on rails.\n\nI had the same reaction when an older co-worker told me about 'My Mother The Car' when I was but a lad.",
"What gauge rail is that?",
"'Tis true. [Supertrain on Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supertrain).",
"Supergauge \n",
"That checks out",
"Here's the model with crew...\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/3jhvbs4.jpg\n\nThey had 3-4 different size models for filming.",
"I'm surprised that a show that had Larry Linville AND Dick Van Dyke in the same episode would fail.",
"Battlestar Amtrak-tica!",
"According to Wikipedia, the show was *very* expensive to make but got low ratings. "
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'Supertrain' nuclear bullet train model used in the short-lived TV series, 1979
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"I don't think the soldiers serving in it would disagree, but what do I know.",
"/u/Scarneck, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule I - No pictures with added/superimposed digital elements.\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/Scarneck&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7qkarw/xpost_rmilitary_africom_new_logo_waiting_for/?context=10\\))"
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X/post r/military AFRICOM New Logo, waiting for presidential approval.
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"who is he?",
"Guy they contracted to spray paint that sign is now worth $850 Mil. ",
"CEO of Amazon and I believe the richest person in history",
"That's what I remember him looking like when I met him in McDonough Georgia. The company I work for now makes a bigger deal about much lower level guys visiting stores,than Amazon did back then about Bezos. Most of us had no real idea who he was back then.",
"jeez.. if that’s what it was in 1999, i shudder to think how it looked in 1997 when I started buying CS books from them.",
"Before he started consuming human blood",
"In 1999 he did this for looks not because he was poor. \nEven in 1999, Bezos was likely a billionaire several times over. (Simon asked Bezos later in the segment about being worth $9 billion to $10 billion dollars — a figure which Bezos neither confirmed nor denied.) So why the makeshift workspace?\n\n\"It's a symbol of spending money on things that matter to customers and not spending money on things that don't,\" says Bezos, who at the time was wearing a blue dress shirt and khakis and drove a Honda.\n\nhttps://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/27/billionaire-jeff-bezos-what-amazon-was-like-in-1999.html\n\n",
">the richest person in history\n\nNope. But the richest person right now. If you look back a few hundred maybe thousand years you had a king who caused an inflation wherever he went cause he gave away money while he traveled. ",
"Holy shit that sounds crazy, any more info?",
"Gotta go to bed now but you can google that story and you'll most likely find something! "
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Photo of Jeff Bezos in his office during the early days of Amazon, 1999.
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"\"I am opening a new business and I want to make it clear that I will never pay anything other than Italian government taxes. \n\nIn case someone intends to come and ask for money for prisoners or their family or to pay solicitors or similar...\n\nThey must know that they can Fuck Off!\n\n#mafiashit\n\nI won't play! Gianluca Maria Cali\"",
"Good for him. But he'll be dead by june",
"Finnish and Swedish flags are facing the wrong way .... unforgivable. "
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A pic that I snapped on the streets of Palermo, Italy. Apparently a new business is opening and the owner posted his statement regarding the local mafia on the windows. (Text in comments)
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"Ah... I see you're an individual as well. Where is the sauce at? ",
"Can confirm.",
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For Smart People vs For Dumb People
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"He’s thinking “if I save the cheerleader ...... I save the world”",
"You're thinking of his brother. ",
"After participating in the overthrow of the previous government (pictured here) he was made mayor of the capital city, Kiev. ",
"I’ve known a few Ukrainian people, they’ve all been very tough.",
"He is a tough man, but he is stupid as fuck. He can't bound two words together. People just laugh over his stupid speeches. He really should keep punching faces, that's what he does great, politics is not for him.",
"Your right..... DOH! ",
"He doesn't have stupid speeches though. He is quite articulate much to the dismay of russians.\n",
"Also close relative of Liam Neeson"
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Vitali Klitschko, Ukrainian politician and former world champion boxer
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"If it were warm she wouldn't was much more.\n\n\n\nEdit were to was. ",
"I think I love her",
">If it were warm she wouldn't was much more.\n\n>Edit were to was.\n\n2 tries and still not quite there. Try a third? :)",
"She walked in through the out door, out door",
"Lmao, in my rush to ninja edit I swapped out the wrong word. I meant to switch the first were to was not wear to was. No I'm just gonna let it die. It will stand as a testament to my dumbness. ",
"Best Post Ever! 500 Rupees",
"[Here](https://i.imgur.com/c1YPE1d.jpg) is a higher resolution version of this image. [Here](https://i.imgur.com/9OaCbbD.jpg) is another picture of this. The source appears to be [wrathletbirds on Imgur](https://imgur.com/user/wrathletbirds/submitted)",
"RIP Prince",
"So what are you so afraid of?",
"Red Spherical Ring. The kind you'd find in a Sedona store.\n",
"In what environment does that pattern blend in? What is that thing, anyway? Looks amazing.",
"congrats on a million",
"Rasberry hatted tokay gecko",
"I feel a little sad whenever raspberries are reduced to just being lizard berets.",
"Excellent.",
"Her lizard brain",
"\"Alan? ALAN! What do ya think? 50% of $1.99, so like $1.50 - it's a steal!\"",
"It's not a tumor.",
"LOL",
"I miss that little purple freak so much",
"Definitely not a tumor",
"That’s a gargoyle gecko. They’re awesome little pets.",
"Thanks!",
"Built like he was, he had the nerve to ask me my plans to do him any harm.",
"I would take a bullet for that beautiful girl",
"Noice pic, Noice reference."
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The kind you’d find in a secondhand store..
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"http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41871956",
"Will Smith?",
"I don't know, I've just always been more of an X kind of dude. ",
"Harriet tubman kind of guy ",
"Don King. ",
"The original dreamer. ",
"He was like Martin Luther King, except without having an actual positive effect and message. ",
"[Until tomorrow](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBJZZg6CEAAIV-p.jpg)",
"Our national politics really seem off the rails in 2018, but consider all the political assassinations that went down in the 60’s - shit was crazy. Dr. King paid the ultimate price for speaking out against injustice, nowadays people consider themselves a martyr if they run afoul of the twitter mob.",
"Tubgirl kind of guy\n\n",
"There's something about anger and a desire for vengeance that's just appealing to me I guess",
"As a society we've largely forgotten already ",
"King taught and believed in winning an opponent to friendship, rather than trying to humiliate or defeat him. This would be refreshing nowadays.",
"[Patrice O'Neal.](https://i.imgur.com/Bbnpgf9.png)",
"I agree. Dr King really was a giant of a man with strong principles. He was an inspiration to many and he fought the same fight that Nelson Mandela fought. I wonder what it would have been like for him to see an America that voted for Obama - an America that he dreamed of.",
"OP clearly said King, so I'm guessing this is one of those Nigerian princes or kings that keeps sending me emails. STOP SENDING THEM, I ALREADY TOLD YOU, I WONT FORGET!",
"Sometimes you just want an old fashion race war.",
"Never is a long time...",
"This guy is cool.",
"\"We declare our right on this earth to be a man, to be a human being, to be respected as a human being, to be given the rights of a human being in this society, on this earth, in this day, which we intend to bring into existence by any means necessary.\"",
"Such an important man yet all you people can do is make jokes, yet when a white celebrity dies every is sad and tells touching story’s about them. \n\nI’m not trying to tell everyone what is funny and what is not, or what is right and wrong. but come on people, just respect him for one day. \n\n",
"3edgy5me",
"\"The individual who is self-centered, the individual who is egocentric ends up being very sensitive, a very touchy person,\" King said in \"Conquering Self-Centeredness.\" \"And that is one of the tragic effects of a self-centered attitude, that it leads to a very sensitive and touchy response toward the universe. These are the people you have to handle with kid gloves because they are touchy, they are sensitive. And they are sensitive because they are self-centered. They are too absorbed in self and anything gets them off, anything makes them angry.\"\n\nBasically described Trump",
"The top of the head is still black and white\n\nEdit: also parts around the left eye and ear, and in the background ",
"The people behind those assassinations and their underlings are still in power in the USA and have been making great strides to consolidate their control. There's a direct line from LBJ, Hoover and the conservative movement and every major GOP administration since then, with a constant parade of the same names and faces moving through the government and intelligence agencies.\n\nhttps://www.amazon.com/Democracy-Chains-History-Radical-Stealth/dp/1101980966",
"All of these people posting their thank-yous to MLK hoping that theirs is the one that gets 100k+ and front page is sad. ",
"The [boondocks](https://youtu.be/M5FR1LGsT7E) really hit the nail on the head for what MLK would think if he were still alive today.\n\nIf you haven’t seen the series, I highly recommend you check it out.\n\n",
"Happy Birthday to this brave man",
"That's about what I expected from T_D posters.",
"lol he look so funny",
"[Here](https://i.imgur.com/DSvPoOL.jpg) is a higher resolution and less cropped vesrion of this image. Credit to the photographer, [Howard Sochurek](https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/howard-sochurek?phrase=Howard%20Sochurek&sort=best#license), who took this on May 1, 1960. [Here](https://www.gettyimages.com/event/40th-anniversary-of-the-assassination-of-martin-luther-king-80316946#9th-april-1968-coretta-scott-king-widow-of-dr-martin-luther-king-jr-picture-id3232170) is the source which provides teh following caption:\n\n> Rev. Martin Luther King at Atlanta Univ. for SCLC sponsored student conf.",
"A person can parish, but the spirit, the values, and the legacy can thrive as long as people continue to honor those. As a minority, I'm forever grateful.",
"Kings close friend, Ralph Abernathy, has some things to say about this dude that makes him sound like a not cool person. ",
"Here’s to a populist with strong words and questionable marriage commitment and a fued with the FBI...the black one not the orange one. ",
"Agreed. ",
"T_D loves him. He was an unfaithful populist with conservative Christian views. He even had problems with the FBI. You should visit r/the_donald. The top posts are honouring him like a saint and forerunner. ",
"In a trial right after his death, a 12 person jury in Memphis, TN, unanimously concluded that their was a conspiracy to murder MLK. *\"The jury was clearly convinced by the extensive evidence that was presented during the trial that, in addition to Mr. Jowers, the conspiracy of the Mafia, local, state and federal government agencies, were deeply involved in the assassination of my husband.*\nApparently, this clashed with the narrative that was already created because the federal government completely disregarded this trials outcome as if it never happened.",
"\nI like these\n\n\"History proves that the white man is a devil.\"\n\n\"We won't organize any black man to be a Democrat or a Republican because both of them have sold us out. Both of them have sold us out; both parties have sold us out. Both parties are racist, and the Democratic Party is more racist than the Republican Party.\"",
"I want to upvote, but was at 1337. Max points achieved.",
"There's some uncomfortable truths to those words ",
"A man who literally gave his life to a better world.",
"LOL",
"/u/TurellTateInfinity, thank you for your submission. Unfortunately, it has been removed for violating the following rule(s):\n\n* Rule IV - Title violates title guidelines.\n\nYour title must directly relate to the event in the picture. \n\nYou can read the full information about our title guidelines at /r/pics/w/titles\n\n\n\n\nFor information regarding this and similar issues please see the [rules](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/about/rules/) and [title guidelines](/r/pics/w/titles). If you have any questions, please feel free to [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/pics&subject=Question regarding the removal of this submission by /u/TurellTateInfinity&message=I have a question regarding the removal of this [submission.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7qkmiw/well_never_forget_your_service_on_this_earth_king/?context=10\\))",
"Funny (AKA sad) thing is that the people most helped by MLK are the ones that most forget him and most act in a manner that he would decry.",
"Not to be that guy, but parish is a type of church, you probably meant perish.",
"\"I have a dream...that one day my image will be used for low-effort karma whoring.\"",
"Democrats just changed the way the plantations worked. \"I'll keep those n***ears voting democrat for the next 200 years.\" - Lyndon B. Johnson ",
"If you can’t fly, run; \nif you can’t run, walk; \nif you can’t walk, crawl; \nbut by all means keep moving. \n-Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.",
"I just freaked out for a second.",
"That was pre-pilgrimage. He changed.",
"No, he just started saying it in a more eloquent manner. Which is fine, but pushing a racial divide was never helpful. ",
"Nope. What you’re saying is false. I suggest you read up on him. Wikipedia will do. Should only take an hour or so of your time.",
"There is not a single soul in the donlad that has both read and comprehended the letters from a Birmingham jail. Right wingers love to try and coopt revolutionaries.",
"Aparently you haven't either. Nonviolently oppose your enemies to make them your friends through mutual understanding. You take the beating, your enemy becomes shocked, and then they talk to you.",
"Not so much in the UK. He is admired and considered an icon of 20th century America. But racial politics is different over here. You have to consider that the UK didn't have slavery to the extent that the US had and so much of our black community came over via immigration. \n\nHowever, that isn't to say that we don't have our issues. The moral of the black community is still low, they still have issues integrating into society and there are far to many fatherless families and underachievers.",
"That is a beautiful quote.\n\nNever knew he said that.",
"https://youtu.be/ZmtOGXreTOU\n\nVery end of this speech. ",
"Thx for the correction",
"> Nonviolently oppose your enemies to make them your friends through mutual understanding.\n\nThat is not what happened at all. The vast majority of civil rights enemies remained enemies. The fence sitters were the ones that were moved, and King still said those fence sitters were basically a greater opposition than the actual enemies.\n\nYou white washers just betray your own historical ignorance every time you try this.",
"lol it's fascinating you don't see the connection. You get the fence sitters off by non-violence. You make them your friends. You become the majority. The actively evil people become the minority and are forced to look at themselves as to why they are no longer popular. Then they speak to you because they are alone and unwanted. And your love for them changes them.\n\nI'll take what you call white washed MLK over your perceived real one. Your real one would be a useless dolt who died a martyr to a dead cause. My \"white washed\" one continued a long tradition of Christian social progress going back two thousand years.",
"> The actively evil people become the minority and are forced to look at themselves as to why they are no longer popular. Then they speak to you because they are alone and unwanted. And your love for them changes them.\n\nThis did not happen on any meaningful scale at all.\n\n> I'll take what you call white washed MLK over your perceived real one.\n\nWhat exactly do you think is my perceived real one? Literally all I have done is explain to you that right-wing lionization of mlk is based on a lack of historical knowledge at best, and malicious coopting for political reasons at worst.\n\n> My \"white washed\" one continued a long tradition of Christian social progress going back two thousand years.\n\nThat's not your \"white washed version of him\" That's what he actually did. Your white washed version of him is the version where right-wingers have any kind of legitimate claim to his legacy or ideas.",
"Yes it did. Or did I hallucinate when I saw the entire Presbyterian church split over the issue and then the baddies change their views when they became the minority? Just one example off the top of my head that involves millions of people.\n\nYou never once gave examples of how you feel I am wrong. You half-referenced his stance on the fence sitters, not even a direct quote. You ignored my equally vague reference to the quote:\n\n>...and if we are mature, we may learn and grow and profit from the wisdom of the brothers who are called the opposition.”\n\nMaybe you don't know the real MLK\n\nThe dude was a conservative Christian pastor, pro life, and did not believe homosexuals are born that way. What do you want me to tell you? He was fairly in the right leaning category and probably would have been bbfs with most Pentecostal and Baptist traditional Christians. He's honored by conservative Anglicans, and they put him in the stonework at Westminster. Though tbh I think he would have come around to the gays in time if he had lived longer.",
"> Or did I hallucinate when I saw the entire Presbyterian church split over the issue and then the baddies change their views when they became the minority?\n\nThis doesn't support what you are saying. The entire Presbyterian church was not filled with white supremacists before mlk.\n\n> You never once gave examples of how you feel I am wrong.\n\nRight from the get go I explained that the letters from a Birmingham jail completely dispel the idea of a moderate MLK. Have you read them? Here is my favorite quote. \" \"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to \"order\" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says \"I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;\" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a \"more convenient season.\"\n\n> Maybe you don't know the real MLK\n\nProceeds to characterize mlk as a conservative. I guarantee you cannot even accurately define what conservatism is. Besides that, having one or two views that align with u.s. conservatives doesn't make you a conservative. \n\nThere is not a single person educated on mlk that would characterize his politics as conservative. The only people that do so are right wingers like yourself attempting to coopt his legacy as I have already explained.\n\nHere is MLK on capitalism: \n\n“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.” – Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952.\n\n“In a sense, you could say we’re involved in the class struggle.” –Quote to New York Times reporter, José Igelsias, 1968.\n\n“And one day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth.’ When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society…” –Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967.\n\n“Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis.” –Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967.\n\n“Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.” – Speech to the Negro American Labor Council, 1961.\n\n“We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”- Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.\n\n“The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.” –Speech to SCLC Board, March 30, 1967.\n\n“I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective – the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed matter: the guaranteed income… The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.” – Where do We Go from Here?, 1967.\n\n“You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the Negro without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism.” – Speech to his staff, 1966.\n\n“[W]e are saying that something is wrong … with capitalism…. There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.” – Speech to his staff, 1966.\n\n“If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell.” Speech at Bishop Charles Mason Temple of the Church of God in Christ in support of the Memphis sanitation workers’ strike on March 18th, 1968, two weeks before he was assassinated.\n\nYou are so obviously guilty of exactly what I am accusing you of, its almost comical you would try and debate me.",
"You don't know of the white supremacist problem with Presbyterians? Look it up.\n\nI didn't say MLK was a moderate. I said he was a very conservative leaning person. Now you say that in your next paragraph, contradicting that I had said he was a moderate. Please decide what I said before you incorrectly view it.\n\nActually MLK wasn't capitalist or socialist. He followed the Anglican view of [distributionism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism), from G.K. Chesterton and Augustus Pugin and others. A century old view by his time that had begun to migrate from Britain to America. Often reduced to a form of socialism for simplicity sake, it isn't really though.\n\nGuaranteed income was invented by the distributionists fyi. Augustus Pugin favored a form of it in his works \"Contrasts\" when he wrote about the guaranteed health and housing of the medieval era and contrasted it with the failure to provide such things in the industrial era.\n\nEverything you write about proves my point. He was a social conservative with Strong Anglican influences.\n\nOnly thing I'm guilty of is actually providing historical sources for your copy pasted google search quotes. Read Contrasts, and the works of GK Chesterton. These were conservatives. Just because 40 years ago a man named Reagan changed what that means to the American mindset, doesn't change the 200+ years of literary works here.",
"> You don't know of the white supremacist problem with Presbyterians? Look it up.\n\nNot what I said. I said not every presbyterian was a white supremacist. It also doesn't matter. The civil rights movement succeeded by converting fence sitters not white supremacists. White supremacists largely stayed white supremacists, which is why we still have problems with them.\n\n> Everything you write about proves my point\n\nNo it doesn't. Distributionism is not a conservative viewpoint. Again I will repeat myself, I guarantee you don't know what conservatism actually is. And this quote from you \"These were conservatives. Just because 40 years ago a man named Reagan changed what that means to the American mindset,\" Further proves it.\n\nI am not basing what conservative means off of Reagan. I am basing it off what it has literally always meant, commitment to supporting and enforcing the status quo. That's all it means.\n\nAgain, you won't find anyone besides other right-wing ideologues to support your view. GK Chesterton has absolutely nothing relevant to say about any of this.\n\n",
"Sure not all x is y etc. The point was the church split over it among other things. So your idea of people not changing is silly. If you're just going to frame it reductionist style then it's a mute point that is impossible to change because you can always frame it as such.\n\nDistributionism was invented by medieval romanticists that felt the social and economic changes from industrialization were threats to their ancient order. They are as conservative as you can get. They were trying to conserve the medival social order that had perpetuated for a thousand years. Read \"The End of Democracy\" by Cram and his views of the \"Glorious Thousand Years\" from Charlemagne to Napoleon. These people were highly religious conservatives viewing capitalism as a liberal witchcraft threatening their order.\n\nGK Chesterton was a source of quite a lot of MLK's views so you're wrong. He straight up quotes GK a few times.",
"> They are as conservative as you can get.\n\nThe medieval social order that had perpetuated for thousands of years did not have a \"distributed economy\" by any stretch of the imagination. You are defining things the way you want to define them, not the way they are. Additionally, mlk never once described himself as a distributionist. *You* found an old doctrine that you decided fits with mlk and decided for yourself that is what he prescribed to this. One could (and many many more do) just as easily prescribe his ideas as democratic socialism .\n\n> These people were highly religious conservatives viewing capitalism as a liberal witchcraft threatening their order.\n\nPeople who opposed capitalism were indeed conservatives of the time. However, this doesn't mean they were in favor of a system with more distributed wealth. There was no system of distributed wealth for them to \"conserve\" as it were. Capitalism was an improvement to feudalism regarding wealth distribution after all.\n\n> GK Chesterton was a source of quite a lot of MLK's views so you're wrong.\n\nSource? Quoting someone a few times is not proof.",
"Except the medieval era did and that's why distributionism is a direct response desiring to return to it. Again, read Pugin's \"Contrasts\" and Cram's \"The End of Democracy\". Workers had much more leasure time and social beneficiaries.\n\nMLK quotes from Distributionism authors and uses concepts from them like Basic Income. Now your contradicting yourself.\n\nFeudalism had better wealth distribution actually. Also ancient times. Byzantine Gini coefficient was 40 to the US' 45. [Source](http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/5388/1/MPRA_paper_5388.pdf)\n\nAlso:\n\n>Without dependence on God our efforts turn to ashes and our sunrises into darkest night. Unless his spirit pervades our lives, we find only what G.K. Chesterton called \"cures that don't cure, blessings that don't bless, and solutions that don't solve.\"\n\n-Martin Luther King, Jr. Strength to Love (1963)",
"Both those works are by architects. They don't prove anything you are saying. Please by all means, show me something relevant from those works that proves your point. \n\n> MLK quotes from Distributionism authors and uses concepts from them like Basic Income. \n\nHe also quotes from anti-capitalist authors and uses concepts from Marx. Again, you aren't proving he was a distributionist. Additionally distributionism, is not a conservative idea. This is an assertion you have made sans any evidence or ideas to support it besides alluding to the idea that were people that wanted to \"go back to it\", which ignores the idea that those people were never in any kind of meaningful distributionist society.\n\n> Now your contradicting yourself.\n\nNo I am not.\n\n> Feudalism had better wealth distribution actually. \n\nLol did you just assume I wouldn't look at the tables in this? This source absolutely does not prove that feudalism had better wealth distribution. You found one Gini coefficient to support your idea. Many of them are much worse. Additionally the gini coefficient is not always an accurate picture of wealth inequality for various reasons.\n\nThat quote doesn't prove that he was a source of \"quite a lot of mlks views\". That quote is not even really a \"view\" so to speak. He's literally just quoting flowery language to represent an idea of something that doesn't work.\n\nYou are quite the dishonest pseudo-intellectual. MLK did not support the status quo. He would have absolutely opposed trump, and there is not a single person educated about the civil rights movement who would say otherwise. Get over it.",
"Are you now going to lecture me that architecture has nothing to say on theology and society? lol. Have you any clue about the profession? I am one. Please, lecture me more on what I spent 6 years of my in university for a masters in.\n\nMarx had some great points that even conservatives can admit to. The thinking is among conservatives that he could diagnose a problem but he had no way to cure it. Quoting from his diagnosis doesn't mean you support his cures. Contrarily, MLK quoted GK Chesterton's cures.\n\nYou literally just said:\n\n>\"This source absolutely does not prove that feudalism had better wealth distribution. You found one Gini coefficient to support your idea\"\n\nYou contradicted yourself in the immediate sentence following it. This is truly entertaining. That you can say the source is there but doesn't prove anything is beyond my rational. It's entertaining though!\n\n>You are quite the dishonest pseudo-intellectual. MLK did not support the status quo. He would have absolutely opposed trump, and there is not a single person educated about the civil rights movement who would say otherwise. Get over it.\n\nNot once in your long mind-numbing rambling have you provided a single source, detail, or reason to prove me wrong. But feel free droning on, contradicting yourself endlessly in your black hole of endless copy pasted ideas from revisionism. It's entertaining to watch. I've got 6 long years of sources and documents to prove you wrong every step of the way. And by God is it fun watching you contradict yourself half-reading them and not thinking about how to respond properly. ",
"> theology\n\nWe aren't talking about theology, we are talking about conservatism.\n\n> lol. Have you any clue about the profession? I am one.\n\nLol. You don't have anything of value to say about society, so I'm not sure where you get off!\n\n> You contradicted yourself in the immediate sentence following it. This is truly entertaining. That you can say the source is there but doesn't prove anything is beyond my rational. It's entertaining though!\n\nThat's not contradictory at all. Care to explain how it is contradictory to show that your source not only doesn't say what you are saying it does based on the example you gave, but that the process it uses is also not necessarily reliable? That's not contradictory in the slightest. Nice try!\n\nHoly fuck I take back what I said about being pseudo-intellectual, you are dumb as fuck! I haven't contradicted myself at all. You are literally revising history to try and make a case that mlk and trump supporters have common cause. Projection is a hell of a drug!\n\nI literally provided mlk himself as a source to prove to you he wasn't even a moderate let alone a conservative. Nothing is going to convince you because you live in your own world where words mean what you want them to mean. ",
">We aren't talking about theology, we are talking about conservatism.\n\nLol.\n\n>Lol. You don't have anything of value to say about society, so I'm not sure where you get off!\n\nLol\n\n>That's not contradictory at all. \n\nLol\n\n>Holy fuck I take back what I said about being pseudo-intellectual, you are dumb as fuck!\n\nLol\n\n> literally provided mlk himself as a source to prove to you he wasn't even a moderate let alone a conservative. \n\nlol\n\n0 sourcees"
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We'll never forget your service on this Earth, King
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"Pretty pup.",
"One of his ears is floopy :)",
"Soulful eyes, below full radar capabilities. ",
"Ah the mono ear stage. Always got me how it took them ages to get to grips with those satellites for ears.",
"They'll firm up more likely than not. My big boy had a floppy right ear for a little bit. It's all about the calcium and the cartilage. "
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My GSD at 13 weeks
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"Did you make that? It looks freakishly awesome! ",
"That’s amazing. Great detail",
"That’s some alien jewelry ",
"What stats does it give bonuses to?",
"Yes I did make this!! Thank you!!",
"Thank you!!",
"👽 🛰🚀 ",
"+2 sneak, +10 stamina "
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First time using symmetry in a pendant!
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"😢😢",
"Beautifully horrible ",
"😿",
"19th century is practically brand new in Europe "
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Immerath, Germany 9 jan 2017. Church XIX century was destroed for mining more chargoal
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"[Pamela Wang finds world's largest avocado.](http://hawaiitribune-herald.com/news/local-news/holy-guacamole-kona-woman-finds-possibly-record-size-avocado)",
"World's largest banana for scale? ",
"Why is she so happy to hold a large avocado? She looks like she can't even contain her joy.",
"How is she not happier!? Can you even see her face. I would be bursting with joy ",
"omg",
"Maybe she has inner peace. ",
"If that’s the face of inner peace then I’ve been striving for the wrong thing all these years ",
"What do you mean?",
"The owner of every mom and pop cafe everywhere.",
"Those two half’s don’t fit each other.",
"She’s looks uncomfortable ",
"It’s perspective ",
"4 seconds after the picture was taken it went bad and had to be thrown out. ",
"I think it she looks like she's trying to live her life but she's instead having to wait for someone to take a photo. \"Did you get it? Can I eat now?\"",
"I guess. It’s just that they are side by each.",
"Looks large enough for one serving of guacamole.",
"Per spective - yes, one spective is bigger than the other. ",
"If you ask me, they're pretty bad at any time.",
"Perfect for world's biggest avocado sandwich",
"Want one"
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World's Largest Avocado
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"Did the ba7h give him that shiner?",
"Coffee table bit him ",
"He looks hard. Probably doesn’t even need to use “No Tears” shampoo. ",
"He has more letters floating around in there. Let him finish. ",
"He actually uses the alternate brand called \"Hella Tears\" which is specially formulated for babies that are hard AF.",
"Prof: The Early Years"
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Lil' Tyke's single is dropping, y'all.
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"Is there more story\n",
"http://www.archipelagofiles.com/2014/03/this-photo-of-two-engineers-hugging.html?m=1",
"Now you are just bumming my ass out. ",
"IIRC they died",
"Everyone always asks why they didn't have parachutes, and it always comes up that wind turbines are usually not tall enough to base jump.\n\nI've always wondered why it matters at all how tall the tower is, wouldn't they just be able to pull the chute and float away in the wind?",
"Not an expert but just based on knowledge of how they work, a traditional parachute needs time to deploy before it starts slowing you down as it needs to pop out of the backpack and properly take shape to be effective. If you say had the parachute already open and spread out so that it catches air immediately, might be possible. ",
"A rapelling rope would've been nice",
"BASE jumping off of short objects is not impossible. You should look up the record for lowest base jump, it'll astound you.\n\nBASE rigs are different from skydiving rigs, they could have easily survived with parachutes, but I'm sure there's some reason as to why they don't carry them - maybe work prohibits it, maybe they can't wear the backpacks to access the job site, I dunno', I'm not an engineer.\n\n[Case in point](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I752sgoMHvI)",
"https://imgur.com/Wa6riQk",
"You are correct, that's why I said traditional parachutes wouldn't work in this situation. My guess it is probably not a common thing, so it's probably the same reason they don't put parachutes on passenger airlines.",
"For sure, plus how often do these things catch fire like that? I mean, what are the odds of being in the position these poor guys were? That's like carrying a scuba tank in your car in the off chance you drive into a lake and can't get out. ",
"Yeah, really unfortunate for them though.",
"It would take 2 standard length ropes to pull it off, but for the $400 in gear it would take to RAP off the turbine, you would have to imagine that they would carry it \"just in case\".\n",
"After 9-11 happened several companies produced parachutes that would work from highrise heights. Heck, I just did a search and Walmart sells [Skysaver Emergency Fire Escape](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Skysaver-80-Feet-Emergency-Fire-Escape-Survival-Rescue-Backpack-Sky-Saver-SKS80/410683913?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=4051&adid=22222222227094977309&wmlspartner=wmtlabs&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=214795645636&wl4=pla-345634583667&wl5=9021534&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=117578364&wl11=online&wl12=410683913&wl13=&veh=sem) which works up to 80 feet. Why couldn't windmill workers carry something like this?",
"I've found a value to convert:\n\n- 80.0ft is equal to 24.38m or 127.98 bananas",
"Put ejection seats on these bastards.",
"They've already got a safety harness on. I think all they'd need is the rope.",
"A standard 100m rope will run about $200... And an ATC would be another $50.",
"Should be PPE "
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Two engineers embrace on top of a burning wind turbine
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"Meatier than what?\n",
"I went there and was so underwhelmed, and stuff like this usually blows me away. It probably didn’t help that the wind was 60mph steady and gusting to 85mph. Lots of dirt in the eyes and pebble stingers to the face. ",
"I've found multiple values to convert:\n\n- 60.0mph are equal to 96.56kph\n- 85.0mph are equal to 136.79kph",
"I have also been to this hole in the middle of nowhere. I was also quite upset that it cost $18 per adult....to witness this hole...in the desert. ",
"Yeah but you get to see the astronaut down in the crater... Actually not sure if that's still there. Haven't been there since 2007.",
"I was there 2 years ago and the astronaut was still there. It was interesting and I understand that they probably get few visitors so each one has to pay more to even keep the lights on, but still felt like a colossal waste. ",
"Yeah, I agree $18 is way too much. Even the little museum you can walk through didn't justify it. \n\nWe only went because we were doing a Route 66 drive and having lived in AZ for 17 years seemed like something I should finally get around to doing."
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Meteor Crater, Arizona
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"“I like when you lips my eyesies”",
"\"I like when you deformed clam my donutsies.\"\n",
"\"I like when you mount my googlies.\"",
"It’s clearly says “ I like when you mouth my eyes” or am I the only one who’s into that ",
"If anything it’s “lip my eyes”",
"So...what is it supposed to say?",
"You don’t know what I like ",
"I like when you kiss my boobies ? That’s my best guess"
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This $12 joke gift for the wife has really paid off!
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[
"Are you related?\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7e2x3e/in_1995_my_greataunt_gave_me_a_stuffed_cat_it_was/",
"r/quityourbullshit\n\nOriginal: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/7e2x3e/in_1995_my_greataunt_gave_me_a_stuffed_cat_it_was/?st=JCGGDDWX&sh=847c004e\n\nThat desperate for karma?",
"My husband has a similar teddy bear. His aunt got him one and he loved it so much that she bought another just in case something happened to the first one. 30 years later and our 4 year old has both.",
"Someone beat that pussy up",
"You should have at least given us one year so that we forget this post before you blatantly steal it for the oh so elusive karma. Shame shame shame. "
] | 5 |
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In 1995, my great-aunt gave me a stuffed cat. It was my absolute favorite, and slept with me every night through my childhood. When she passed, we found out she had bought an identical cat and kept it in pristine condition for two decades. The years of love certainly left their mark.
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[
"Looks like a shithole",
"It's actually a really cool place! There's a lot of history there and tons of sights",
"Its a really neat little artist town. amazing masonry and nice little alleyways with markets all over. Lot of history and some really amazing people. ",
"agree with you",
"I like the lack of litter and graffiti ",
"built by U.S annual 1.5 billion aid "
] | 6 |
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Tzfat, Israel
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[
"How many lives does \"cop\" have?",
"Commas' placements matter! ",
"Yep, Don’t forget about ol’ Cop Johnson and his multiple lives. Where’s his protest?",
"Apostrophes*",
"Weren't there twelve of those?",
"This one girl in my high school got a tattoo that said \"Every rose has it's thorn\".",
"Semi-rectums(*)",
"M'atthew, M'ark, L'uke, J'ohn... I think P'aul and P'eter were too. There were probably 6 more of them.",
"I always say \"It's what it's!\"",
"He wasn't even a cop, Jimmy Cop was a grocery bagger. ",
"I'm not so sure that isn't photoshopped. ",
"Although never an apostrophe, M'Lady, who was the first to see our lord and savor, is still important to the cannon of Neckbeard Jesus, the grammar nazi. She immediately friend zoned him.",
"Cop's the drivers cat",
"Duly Upvoted.",
"The irony is that it's a black family with the last name of Cop. They were the only ones at the black lives matter protest screaming cops lives matter.\n\nNot my best work, it's all I got.",
"Toonces the Cat in, \"Hot Feline Fuzz\". This car driving cop's got nine lives. And he'll need all of them as he can't drive well..."
] | 16 |
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Just that one cop though.
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[
"Slipknot played on Halloween night at The Pearl in Las Vegas in 2009. The iPhone 3G had a pretty crappy camera, and I tried so hard to get a good picture, but they were all turning out horribly because of the red lights. \nFinally I just kept hitting the button and this came out. It was even good enough to blow up to 16x20 and has been on my home office wall since.",
"Awesome shot 👌🏼",
"holy crap, this photo is amazing",
"I push my finger into my IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII.... phone to take a picture of this lovely concert I'm attending."
] | 4 |
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Concert pic taken with an iPhone 3G in 2009 came out perfect
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/r/pics/comments/7qkyz1/looks_like_he_made_the_cover_of_time_after_all/
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[
"Oh, that hair!",
"Going SS3!",
"I'm sure he loves it. He loves any and all attention. ",
"Hold on a sec.\n\n*<looks around> \n<economy is good> \n<we're not at war> \n<no minorities being rounded up into death camps> \n<political process still functioning; Trump has not declared himself dictator-for-life>*\n\nWTF are they having a nervous breakdown about?",
"Toriyama is going to loose his shit! ",
">economy good\n\nThanks Obama\n\n>no wars\n\nYet, there will be if DT gets his way with Korea\n\n>no minorities being rounded up\n\nJust extensive removals of their rights and privileges\n\n>not declared himself dictator\n\nHe would if he could, don't kid yourself",
"I like the part where you openly praise the health of the economy when that's going to tank hard due to the recently passed tax reform.",
"Alienating allies\n\nIncreasing tensions with North Korea against S. Korea and Japan’s wishes\n\nCalling white nationalists “fine people” while having Pence make a petty walk-out at a football game when black men peacefully and silently protest cop on black person violence. \n\nAppointing people to cabinet positions such as EPA and Dept of Ed. Solely to neuter them and implement corporate agendas. \n\nSigning a tax plan that mostly benefits the wealthy, jabs the blue states hardest, and greatly adds to our national debt when we should be paying it down. \n\nTweets in reactionary and unprofessional ways, unbecoming of the office he holds. \n\nChanges the military acceptance of transgender persons, against the wishes of the military leaders. \n\nDenies climate change while even the military says its a very real threat. \n\nPushes for more evangelical Christian preference into our government. \n\nStill has not come out with his campaign -promised 30-day plan to defeat ISIS. He’s had a year now. 16 years in Afghanistan with no end in sight. \n\nRepeals part of Obamacare with no replacement. \n\nGolfs far more often than Obama, whom he critiqued constantly for his golfing. \n\nRefuses to legally separate himself from his finances and works to ensure he enriches himself by staying at his own resorts. \n\nRefuses to admit he said what he said, even when caught on tape. He’s the biggest, at lying. Very unprofessional. \n \n\n\n\nThe dude is a class A shithead. You support him though because he’s not committing genocide? You have a very low bar, indeed. \n\n",
"NANI!?\n\nSūpā Saiya-jin 3!?",
"Is that you Donny?",
"Nobody’s ever heard of it",
">economy is good\n\nThanks Obama?\n\n>we're not at war\n\nCurrent military action in at least 4 countries\n\n>no minorities being rounded up into death camps\n\nWow really high bar you set there.\n\n>political process still functioning; Trump has not declared himself dictator-for-life\n\nDismantling of EPA, State Department, EduDept, etc. Already claimed he lost the popular vote due to 5milllion illegal votes, that's a good sign right?",
"Time magazine 2017: Economy will collapse, crime will rise, unemployment will skyrocket, dogs and cats sleeping together.\n\nTime magazine 2018: None of those things happened but it was still terrible just look at this cool picture we drew.",
"Democrats will see a flaming demon,\nRepublicans will see a Super Saiyan\n\nPretty brilliant piece of design by TIME, actually.",
"Maybe they should get a website or something....",
"He couldn’t pass any legislation all year, but its because of him the economy is good. It all just magically turned around three weeks ago when the tax cut passed.",
"The magazine doesn't matter but the cover is coveted.",
"Maybe it’s *time* they get a website...? I’ll see myself out",
"Why would it tank?",
"Can you tell me when the economy will tank due to tax reform? Rough estimate will be fine.\n\nEdit: Lol, that's what I thought.",
"I wonder how many people wake up just upset about Donald trump. I feel bad that it's like that. It must be exhausting, try focusing on something else for once. ",
"What’s a computer? ",
">Calling white nationalists “fine people”\n\nI don't think this is true and yet keeps getting perpetuated. According to this [website](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/trump-defends-white-nationalist-protesters-some-very-fine-people-on-both-sides/537012/) he specifically says\n\n>“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” Trump said. \n\nand then continues to say \n\n>“You also had some very fine people on both sides,” he said.\n\nSaying that there were protesters who weren't neo-nazi/white nationalists who were fine people.\n\nAm I missing something?",
"Welp, he made the cover of Time.",
"Oh man. Wait till you see what he's going to get to do to the federal court system. Looooota openings to fill. ",
"We truly are a failure as a species.",
"The economy may not tank, but any benefits of this plan for the working class dry up in [ten](https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/files/2017/11/Screenshot-2017-11-21-at-9.29.11-AM.png&w=1484) [years](https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/files/2017/11/Screenshot-2017-11-21-at-8.46.16-AM.png&w=1484), according to an analysis by the [Tax Policy Center](http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/distributional-analysis-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-passed-senate-finance-committee) done last year.",
"What is a man?",
"And the flames are burning the TIME logo.",
"Exactly. ",
"tell that to the people of Hawaii who found no reason to doubt the missile warning.",
"> Do people even care who is on that any more ?\n\nWell, Trump certainly does.",
"I actually agree with you here. I’m no trump fan, but making mountains out of molehills *when unnecessary* doesn’t help anything.",
"/r/mademethink",
"Especially if the attention is implying that he has hair to spare. ",
"He's got what is known as \"audaben\" hair! Auda been on a rats ass!!",
"That is if they are not extended. There is already a proposed bill to make the middle class tax cuts permanent. Let's see who votes for it.",
"Must have caught fire from his pants.",
"What am i if I’m not sure what either of those things are...?",
"Take your upvote and shush",
"a cat ?",
"🧐 .....yes.",
"Both are pretty badass",
"With all the possible jokes you could've made about one of the most despised people on the planet, you went with that one.",
"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB6-5RYhEus&t=1m57s",
"Needs Googly Eye!",
"The “fine people on both sides” part. I don’t see how that could be interpreted to not include the white nationalist side. ",
"You're missing the point. He is saying not everyone on that side was a white nationalist, and a lot of those people were fine.",
"I disagree for the following reasons.\n\n- He specifically stated he condemned neo-nazi's and inferred this about white nationlists in the following:\n\n>“I’ve condemned neo-Nazis. I’ve condemned many different groups. But not all of those people were neo-Nazis, believe me,”\n\n>“You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists,” \n\n\n- This point that gets used all of the time specifically states neo-nazi's or white nationalists. If we were to take this interpretation it would also include groups like antifa (i.e. the other side), which is inconsistent with the narrative with which this point is primarily used.\n\n",
"He would finally give up and retire if we would stop giving him attention and coverage",
"How can magazines be real if media isn’t real (pulling a Jaden, not saying media is actually not real)",
"A miserable little pile of secrets. But enough talk… Have at you!",
"Which sides was he talking about then? ",
"First, he doesn’t know who was in that crowd. Second, he said there were two sides. So which sides did he believe were present? \n\nIf one of those sides was white supremacists, I don’t know how to think he meant it differently than I interpreted it. \n\nFinally, the white supremacists like Trump. The organized supremacy groups like him very much. If they like him, it’s because he’s feeding them. His later comments to reverse or revise his meaning was only after public backlash. ",
"Essentially the Right and Left.",
"The protest wasn’t republican versus democrat though. ",
"Man, Reddit doesn't take kindly to not toeing the line, huh?",
"Nani?!",
"Eh, can't be him. He doesn't have that much hair.",
"Oh no a pro-trump comment on reddit! GET EM BOYS",
"Then you will probably just see Trump with a pretty luxurious head of hair.",
"It’s.... it’s 🔥 \n(Don’t hurt me)",
"No one said it was, there's more to the right and left than republican and democrat...",
"Man, if I were him, I'd have that framed and on my wall in a heartbeat",
"Is this the next drangonball series?",
"Super Saiyan? More like super insane",
"That's encouraging to hear- but who will pick up the slack? Are they going to increase taxes on the wealthy to make up for the deficit? I'm concerned establishment Washington is on a whole too rich for that right now. If you've got an article about this bill I'd really like to read it."
] | 68 |
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Looks like he made the cover of Time after all
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/r/pics/comments/7qkz0f/the_3_most_important_things_in_my_life/
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[
"Congrats! Awesome picture. ",
"Thank you, to say we are excited is an understatement. ",
"Ah, the nature, snow and air. Indeed. ",
"Great picture! ",
"I agree, trees, snow, and dogs are pretty important ",
"Ah. I thought it was snow trees and ill fitting clothes. ",
"Where are the other 2 puppers?",
"Beautiful photo....very moving.",
"Pregnant lady represents life. \n\nDog represents friendship.\n\nSnow represents cocaine.\n\nLife, friendship, and cocaine\n\n\n\n",
"Trees, blankets and trapped wind?",
"Ah yes, the air, light and camera phone.",
"This is a very pretty shawl but I'm not sure it would make my top 3.",
"Meanwhile I'm laying in bed with pizza fermenting on my t-shirt...",
"Dammit, stupid Nikon, I knew I should have bought the Canon. ",
"I'm sure it's snow, dog and a warm plaid blanket.",
"“Shawl”, got it. I was wondering why my wife rolled her eyes when I called it a blanket. ",
"It's good to have land!",
"That dog is definitely like \"I know you're hiding a ball under there.\"",
"I love soccer too!",
"Are you saying white is more important?!",
"Meh. She would probably call an impact driver a \"drill\".",
"Dog certainly thinks so.",
"dam true",
"I don't see an xbox",
"Well she bought me the OneX for my birthday, so is there some kind of transitive property for this?",
"I know what you mean, we don't get much snow around here either.",
"Pond: $10,000\nDog: $1,800\nBaby: $1,000 and counting\nWife: Priceless",
"Yeah, I asked my wife if she wanted 8\", she was disappointed when I asked her to step outside.",
"Totally agree! Air, Earth, and Sunlight are best!!",
"Beastality, miscarriage and homeless",
"Wow, that's a really cheap baby.",
"and counting...",
"A dog, snow and a headless woman?",
"Clouds, logs, and a horse fence.",
"\"I am a woman, don't you dare objectify me\" \n- OP's wife",
"Wow, gorgeous!",
"Dog, snow and flannel? ",
"$1,000 to impregnate your wife? What did you use, bull semen?\n\n:)",
"It was a really expensive bottle of wine. ",
"Actually everything is still in the photo ",
" Hell, I like trees too, but take it easy, man. ",
"The three most important things in my life too!",
"Everyone’s different, but I feel like you should maybe talk to a professional about your feelings.",
"Your three most important things in life ",
"ITT: Naming 3 things in the picture that are not in my list of important things. ",
"So important I make her stand outside in the cold in thin clothes wile pregnant. That's live folks",
"Did you tell Facebook? ",
"https://i.imgur.com/nuIsQa5.jpg",
"To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you and to hear the lamentation of their women?",
"I originally thought his wife was Jesus, because of the shawl.\n\nSo dog, snow, and Jesus.",
"whats wrong with the other 14 trees?",
"It's deep snow, his Corvette is under there though",
"snow..dogs...fat chicks",
"Well good for you my friend, I can tell your a very loving, caring person, just by your title and this picture! Thanks for sharing and all my best for your new baby, and a painless delivery for your wife! 🤗🌺🍼",
"You forgot...dog",
"I too like those three trees but favorite thing in my life is a bit much, that one tree in the back is much better\n",
"*[hear the lamentation of their women](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OBGOQ7SsJrw)*",
"Since no one else is going to say it....those are man hands.",
"Show it to Facebook, not reddit...",
"Keep this shit on Facebook.",
"fuckin funny op",
"I’m very happy I came to the comments. ",
"A headless pregnant manikin, a dog and snow?",
"im guessing the weed is growing in the background?\n",
"Thou shall rail thine lines.",
"your sister, your future kid, and your secret affair.",
"Upvote in hopes one day ill be in someones top 3",
"Awesome Pow Day, \n\nBitchen Dog, \n\nand a wife that lovers her some beer.",
"Which is #1?",
"Gave it the typical Reddit 2 seconds glance and legit thought it was a dog looking at a snowman. Had to open it again after rereading the title because figured surely I missed something.",
"My phone, Reddit, and pictures online! Yes.",
"Fishing, my dog, and pussy. ",
"That's divorce material right there.",
"Yet you own none of them.",
"You are a lucky man",
"It does seem like you were intentionally doing your best to cut your wife out of the photo.",
"It's actually just beer belly ",
"He should have told those two in the picture to move so he could have captured it better. ",
"Trees, snow, and creampies.",
"Does she look like a gardener to you?",
"Snow trees and a poncho. I feel you.",
"'Things'... >.>",
"Snow",
"Congrats and may your family be happy and healthy!",
"Plaid and uhhh ice and uhhhh fenced off property! Ones gotta be right, right?"
] | 85 |
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The 3 Most Important Things in My Life
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[
"work by [Andy Belsey](https://imgur.com/gallery/BcbMN)",
"/r/ww1",
"What is that? A war for ants?!",
"It's from when the allies trialled use of the secret weapon known as Giant Hand. "
] | 4 |
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Amazing WW1 trench models
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/r/pics/comments/7ql4p4/he_from_the_future/
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[
"more like 1987",
"Someone dropped their Shadowrun character sheet in a summoning circle.",
"Mr. T-1000",
"at some point this fella looked in the mirror and said to himself-\"nailed it\"",
"He's here to kill Daryl conner. ",
"Nope, he just dresses in the dark. "
] | 6 |
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He from the future
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/r/pics/comments/7ql6ha/my_4_year_old_daughter_just_painted_this_im_so/
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[
"Wow",
"Amazing. I think we need a art major to help explain how genius level she is.",
"TIL a four year old can paint **way** better than I. ",
"r/thathappened",
"It did as unbelievable as it sounds. My father is an avid painter and did the same picture alongside her, I'm sure he ended up greyer. \nShe used masking tape at times but yes that happened. ",
"r/wordgore",
"You didn't have to. In fact there's something special about enjoying something amazing for what it is, and not instantly needing reinforcement from a bunch of strangers when something cool happens. ",
"Making up stories in the internet cyberville?",
"There is an objective way we can prove this is a true statement.\nZoom in on the 2nd palm tree from the left. You can see, where the fronds cross the mountain range, a small detail that is easily overlooked. \nNotice anything different there? That's right - brush pressure. You can see plain as day the increased brush pressure that 4 year old's motor skills would likely produce. The next sign is a bit tougher to spot without the aid of a sharp angle placed over your screen. Grab a piece of printer paper, fold it in to fit the approximate size of your device's screen, and SHOVE IT UP YOUR BUTT!",
"Says u",
"Maybe she did the trees but I have a hard time believing a 4 year old had the motor control to paint that straight horizon and neat mountain peaks. The contrast between the blending of the water/sky and the shapes of the trees makes it clear which parts who was responsible for...",
"She used masking tape to get the straight horizon but the peaks are all her. I didn't realise there would be so much doubt. My Dad is a excellent teacher and the tape definitely helped.",
"Thank you. My heart melted watching them paint together and I really am so proud of how well she painted. I didint expect any of this doubt but that's made me so much prouder as I witnessed it with my own eyes. They're attempting flowers tomorrow which my daughter loves. ",
"Go share with facebook.",
"Apparently OP has never met a 4 year old",
"Great job. ",
"Either frame it or sell it to a hipster for $500",
"wow if that's true..... just wow",
"Extremely coordinated for a 4 year old. "
] | 19 |
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My 4 year old daughter just painted this. I'm so proud of her I had to share.
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/r/pics/comments/7ql6hs/my_kiwimango_cake/
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[
"Looks perfect!",
"How many marriage proposals do you get from serving these?",
"Kinda looks like a Frank Lloyd Wright cake.",
"What is this sorcery?",
"How on earth do you get it so... absolutely perfect? My god",
"Another delicious looking cake. Dat glaze.... MMMMM, mmmmm.",
"You should post this in r/oddlysatisfying",
"Practice makes perfect!",
"Want a piece?",
"Do you have a recipe? Looks fantastic!",
"The tasty kind.",
"Omg... Where can I get this? Looks amazing!",
"Yes",
"I will teach you how to make it.",
"I do get different kind of interesting proposals.\n\nEdit: Hi everyone, I am trying to get through all my messages (I am shocked that I am getting so many private messages about the recipe!). The recipe is not a secret; I am more than happy to share. What is most important for these type of desserts is the technique, which I would be more than happy to teach you as well. Thank you so much!\n\nEdit #2: As mentioned in some posts, I have more info about the techniques for these cakes that can be found on my website. I also have a instagram page for my work and another page to show off my students' work. ",
"Well put me on the list. I'm married...but we have a big house. :)",
"OPs post history is literally only about cakes.",
"Pls post more pics with recipe instructions next time you make this!",
"I was about to ask if you were a student of Ksenia... but then I saw the username!\n\nLove your work!",
"Nice vibe i will cut you a slic my freind ",
"Not a big Kiwi fan. Mango for me is meh. I would undoubtedly eat and enjoy this.",
"Wow, that is impeccably clean work. Perfect lines and level layers.",
"Paul Hollywood would be proud. ",
"https://i.imgur.com/rCpxMf7.gifv",
"Sign me up for those lessons! ",
"Is there a problem with that? I’ll escort you out Mr.Drones ",
"Okay but seriously, do you have a recipe??",
"How about a recipe?",
"No, the opposite. It goes to show that OP is posting their own work",
"That actually what I do. Join me and you will become more powerful than you can ever imagine.",
"This one I created to be featured in So Good Magazine's new issue this year. DM me and I will provide you with what you seek.",
"Thank you so much! I am always grateful that people recognize me here.",
"Wonder how far the cakes will get me.",
"Ok it checks out. You’re good. For nooow. ",
"You wouldn’t be in Texas would you? If I could bake a cake like that. I would take over the world. Or ya know maybe my friends taste buds. ",
"You should probably post this to r/food\nI think they would really like it.They always like homemade stuff and this is gorgeous.",
"I am from Vancouver. I travel around the world the teach though. Hopefully, this year I will host my first US Master Class. You can always visit my pages and website if you are interested - learn from home, with no experience required. I am always available for students to contact me directly if they have any questions.",
"I made one post, but since I am new on reddit, I do not have enough karma or age to get past the karma robot :D",
"So um will you marry me? And if not can you send me a piece!?",
"...address please.\n\n;)",
"What is your website if I may ask?",
"Please check my profile.",
"You could call it kiwango. kiiiwaaangooo.",
"Recipe?",
"Googling your user name came up with [this](https://kseniapenkina.com) page.\n\nLooks like your improbably sumptuous work! ",
"What kind of interesting proposals do you tend to like? For science. ",
"How does it not bleed when you cut it ",
"That's me ;)",
"There is a process of freezing and refrigerating. It also helps when your knife is warm/hot during the cut.",
"123 IFailedAgain Ave",
"Check back in with us when you have become The Grand Dictator of Planet Earth via cake bribes ",
"Why not just post the recipe here?",
"**I want to go to there**",
"How might one acquire this cake? ",
"Dammit now I'm really hungry.",
"Are you a cakemancer ?",
"People out here designing cakes on CAD and 3D printers bruh",
"Does this really qualify as a cake?\n\nSeems more like a pastry to me.",
"Replace your ink cartridges with kiwi and mango, right click on the image, save, open as an image and select print!",
"Do you deliver?",
"Eight five degree bakery is awesome ",
"OP is like a professional cake maker",
"Is a way to order something like this online? Or a way to deliver it without killing it entirely?",
"Is the recipe one you will share? Because I would sincerely would love to try and create that.",
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"Yum",
"Vancouver BC?\n\nWill you be doing any classes in Bellingham? Ever? :D",
"I'm allergic to kiwi...and I'd still eat that whole thing. Deliciously awesome looking!!",
"Obviously because ~~he~~ she is selling the instructions",
"Do you ship because I would pay for overnight ",
"Jesus Christ, that looks good.",
"Absolutely. I assumed that’s where I was. r/pics doesn’t deserve this perfection. (You know it’s true, r/pics 🙎🏼♂️)",
"Coming over to your house now.",
"I would eat that ",
"Boo. Baking is so fun, hate that I'd have to pay to share this with friends. Pass.",
"*gasp*",
"*GET IT IN ME!*",
"This looks damn tasty! As a matter of fact, I'll be in Vancouver, BC until the end of month... where can I get such a cake and how much is it? :D",
"Would love some. I'll try to imagine the taste, the mouthfeel, the yumminess :)",
"Congratulations on developing such wonderful skills! ",
"She",
"The fatter America gets the more powerful you become.",
"That looks both beautiful and delicious. What's in the \"crust\" part?",
"This looks cool\n",
"Oh that looks divine",
"Should have now? :D",
"You sick fuck. Kiwis are endangered!!",
"i dont understand how that thing is constructed so i'd atleast suck a dick to find that much out. ",
"This is cruel. I'm allergic to kiwi but before the pain it tastes so delicious.",
"I will never have this. Screw u for making me belive for a second :(",
"draw the rest of the fucking owl.",
"This looks so good I'd just want to look at it rather than ruin it by taking a bite. Just wow.",
"I'm out of cyan :(",
"Holy shit",
"Mmmmmmm",
"Surely, manwi sounds way more appetising.",
"A tip since you're obviously here trying to promote yourself: on reddit no one will ever bother checking your profile (except weird comment stalkers). If you want people to go somewhere you've got to post it in a top-level comment early on and if it's good people will vote it up to the top. \n\nIf it's not easy people won't do it. \n\n------\n\n\nIt's probably a bit late to post it in a new comment now, so I'd suggest editing the info into your comment that reads: \n \"I do get different kind of interesting proposals.\" \nSince that's your most visible one in this thread.",
"Probably up to the elbow.",
"Too bad I'm allergic to mango:(",
"Zumbo would be proud",
"Perfection.",
"That is incredible. Perfect layers. A work of fine art and I'd eat it like an undomesticated beast.",
"How. Just... how?",
"I am not taking orders and only committed to teaching. If you are interested to learn, you can always check out my online teaching videos on my website ;)",
"Don't know if that is good or dangerous.",
"If a pastry school in Washington invites me and arranges the classes, I would definitely go!",
"turn that frown upside down...",
"That looks amazing. How intricate. How'd you make the kiwi layer?",
"will you ship one of these to colorado?",
"First time commenter here. That is absolutely insane good looking cake, cannot imagine how it tastes!",
"Thank you, I want to respect the rules here though and don't want to get into trouble for posting my pages, websites, etc.",
"I try to be.",
"That looks so fucking delicious. The structure is beautiful. Well done!",
"Yeah whats the recipe?",
"I follow you on instagram! You're amazing! ",
"That is immediately what I thought of! ",
"Did you also just binge watch Zumbos just desserts on Netflix?",
"Please post the recipe",
"OP certainly delivered. ",
"could play manwi-kiwango with the cake like marco-polo, assuming the cake can speak.\n\n>> manwi?\n\n> kiwango!\n\n>> manwi?\n\n> kiwango!\n",
"Post to r/foodporn they will love it!",
"Thank you so much!",
"Looks slimy, but in a good way",
"Oooo I follow you on Insta! I thought this looked familiar! I love looking at your work. They are always so perfect and shiny ",
"Remindme! 30 days",
"I stared at this for about 5 minutes straight ",
"Hey there. Can I get the recipie as well? And maybe the technique too? ;) ",
"Recipe?",
"that is so stunning it has prompted use of the word \"aghast\" for the first time in my life",
"Wow, the cake looks absolutely amazing!! ",
"Where’s the cake though?",
"recipe please",
"Can we order this from you?",
"slap my ass and call me sally I want to eat that cake",
"I know you got downvoted but I thought the same thing. The only part that looks anything remotely like cake is maybe 1/4 of the thickness",
"Recipe please!!",
"Kiwi*fruit*\n\nKiwi are little endangered derpy birds.\n\nIt's also a colloquial name for New Zealanders.\n\nBut Kiwifruit is the correct term for the fruit. Like Passionfruit, or Grapefruit, if you take the \"fruit\" part away it gets super weird.",
"Kiwi and Mango",
"Why is there grapefruit when there is already a grape that’s a fruit?",
"Because people are shit at naming things.\n\nOn that note, things get a bit weird in the US with Spanish influences. In New Zealand we use the name \"coriander\" whereas the US calls it \"cilantro\".\n\nThen there's Cantaloupe vs Rock Melon which is a whole different thing altogether.\n\nSo yeah, people are shit at naming things.",
"Pls link :O",
"Optimism, I like it!",
"r/restofthefuckingowl",
"Also cake",
"...or Chinese Gooseberry",
"Where is the line between cake and tart?",
"I would like the recipe too! :)",
"I read your comment like if you were Siri haha",
"Paperclip went to a house. A cake is a much more valueable starting position.",
"Truly amazing! killer looks, wonder how its to eat it..",
"Did you recently make cake that looked like this that was passion fruit? Because I swear someone uploaded something just like this about a week ago that said passion fruit.",
"https://www.loc.gov/rr/scitech/mysteries/grapefruit.html",
"Has a kind of art-deco look to it, too, aside from being awesome.",
"I'm allergic to both kiwi and mango but I don't care, I want that in my mouth. ",
"In my mouth please.",
"Note to self: stop browsing r/food while studying to prevent any more drool from getting on study notes.",
"That looks fucking delicious",
"Def gonna check out your recipe 😋",
"Fuck.\n\nThose were the exact words that came out of my mouth, when I saw that cake. I'm in a crowded office, where that isn't suitable but...\n\nFuck.",
"Look at the rest of op's profile",
"):",
"The key is to do it round.",
"are you really refusing to share recipe and advising people to go to your website to buy video lessons? Kinda of an asshole move",
"It's like a work of art you shouldn't eat. 😀",
"Wow. Now there's a reference I've not heard in a looong time.",
"I’d love to see the recipe and the technique. Mind posting a link in your comment? I know others would love to see your website as well.",
"yummy ",
"That looks absolutely scrump-Diddley-umtious!",
"But do you teach us how to make this very thing? I just saw cake videos, and I'm frankly more interested in this - what the components are and how to put them together in that manner. Thanks!",
"This is actually r/pics ;)",
"Yes! Here you go.\n\nhttps://redd.it/7puf7z",
"Ah, I was too busy drooling to notice.",
"These are cute, good job!"
] | 173 |
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My Kiwi-Mango Cake.
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/r/pics/comments/7ql8yv/found_this_guy_outside_lucas_oil_stadium_go_horse/
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[
"Talk about a weird fetish.",
"Motherfucker looks like he's doing better than me and I work 60 hours a week!",
"The career homeless in my town can pull in 30+ tax-free dollars an hour easily, in the right areas.",
"My hometown!",
"#317",
"Naptown!",
"What makes you say that? That he's a homeless guy not sitting in a pile of trash on the side of the road? "
] | 7 |
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Found this guy outside Lucas Oil Stadium. Go Horse!
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/r/pics/comments/7ql92r/model_penguins_have_appeared_in_cities_around_the/
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[
"https://www.theguardian.com/environment/gallery/2018/jan/15/march-of-the-penguins-heralds-antarctic-protection-campaign-in-pictures",
"Do they taste like chicken? ",
" I don’t think anybody should take direction from Greenpeace but that’s just me. ",
"I want one.\n",
"Apparently they're rubbery, oily and taste of fish. \n\nSource: someone phoning into a radio show. The question was \"what's the worst thing you've eaten?\" ",
"Fuck you Greenpeace, you and your Nazca Line-damaging stupid-ass bullshit",
"Yeah this is just a waste of money. Greenpeace needs better ideas."
] | 8 |
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Model penguins have appeared in cities around the world as part of a new Greenpeace campaign that is aiming to turn a huge tract of the Antarctic Ocean into the world’s biggest wildlife reserve
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/r/pics/comments/7qldve/my_girlfriends_father_told_me_the_dowry_was_2/
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[
"Ewe outdid yourself there.",
"Plot twist: OP opened the bottle and filled it with JW Red and kept the Blue for himself.",
"You are good.",
"I tend to avoid Diageo owned drinks due to their shady business practices. I would suggest a Glenfiddich instead.",
"I like the way you think. In the interest of future dinner table conversation (or over glasses of nice scotch), you technically just paid a bride price. A dowry means you get paid two sheep to marry the girl (at least according to wikipedia). Congrats btw.",
"If it's a dowry, he owes you two sheep for taking his daughter off his hands.",
"What business practices do they do that are shady? \n\nSince I already looked it up their brands are: Johnnie Walker, Crown Royal , J&B, Buchanan's, Windsor, Don Julio, Smirnoff, Ketel One, Ciroc, Captin Morgan, Baileys, Tanqueray & Guinness. ",
"Id be like \"where the fucks my sheep\".",
"That's right. This here is a Brideprice. \n\nThough a dowry (traditionally) isn't paid directly to the groom. It's paid to the daughter in the form of a pre-nup, so if the marriage goes sour and she needs to get out of there, she's got some sort of wealth. Of course, that's the way it's *supposed* to work. ",
"[think you got screwed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowry)",
"Exactly. I was gonna roast those fuckers and enjoy this delicious scotch with my meal...",
"If the daughter makes more money than the husband and she sours the marriage, then she could owe the husband money instead?",
"I mean, I guess that depends on the customs of the people/tribe/nation. My explanation is based purely on the anthropological definitions. "
] | 13 |
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My girlfriend’s father told me the dowry was 2 sheep, so I put this together for him.
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[
"Toronto Island, Lake Ontario, Toronto, Canada.\n\nLooks like image was taken from top of CN tower, perhaps the \"SkyPod\".",
"Toronto Island Airport is only used for smaller planes. Looks more exciting than it is.",
"Oh there's plenty of margin. A big, wet margin.",
"To be fair, if you miss the runway at any airport you're gonna have a bad time",
"Yeah. If you're gonna miss the runway, a soft crash might be preferable to a hard one.",
"I did my private license out of this airport (cytz). It's a really great airport to fly in and out of. Challenging.. Lots of traffic, Pearson control zone is close by so lots of radio work.. You get a decent amount of mechanical turbulence off the city when flying an approach (good fun).. To be honest that 08/26 runway (east west) is really a piece of cake. Only real thing there is probably dumbass sailboats coming to close to bouy's. That and I suppose an engine failure. But I'd almost rather be over water for that. The hardest runway to deal with there is there is 15/33. The approach/departure are right over the city. So you have be at a certain altitude for buildings. The final approach onto 33 you basically have side slip in to dump altitude after clearing buildings to get onto the runway. Anyways. Lots of great memories from flying there!!",
"Joining overhead for left 26 at a few hundred feet over circuit is fun, too. So is turning base as number two when the napping controller doesn’t count the guy on short final. Like I was supposed to spot porter inbound two miles out and a few thousand up on a soupy day... Got yelled at for that one. Fun times. "
] | 7 |
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No margin for error
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[
"Better title:\n\n*High AF in Harlem*",
"~~Well south of Harlem.~~\n\nI misunderstood the view. It's looking south, not north. ~~So maybe the Bronx?~~\n\nProbably Harlem. ",
"It's cool that you can clearly see the bridges. ",
":)",
"My favorite part! Well... Other than the rest of the picture 🤣",
"It looks like a circuit board that controls the whole Earth.",
"What is the super bright part just above the central point?",
"In a lot of ways NYC is.\n\nIt’s definitely the heartbeat of America and one of the top five cities worldwide (IMO)",
"I thought someone dropped the Tesseract... ",
"Exactly as I thought.",
"The amount of forethought that went into central park is incredible.\n\n\"We need have a huge space where everyone in the city can feel like they are in nature\".\n\n\"How the fuck do we do that?\"\n\n\"We need a HUGE park centrally located so we can reduce the amount of crazy\".",
"Times Square",
"\"And what shall we call it?\"\n\n\"Park of Central ?\"\n\n\"I have a better idea...\"",
"Thank you!",
"Well, what's your top five?",
"More than five but:\n\nNYC, London, Dubai, Tokyo-kyoto, Shangai, Seoul, Riyadh, Singapore, LA, Chicago, Paris, Berlin and Moscow.\n\nThose would be my first tiers.\n\n\n",
"Tens (hundreds?) of billions of dollars worth of property today. ",
"Toronto, Vancouver, world class and much more impressive in a multitude of ways compared with at least half those cities on the list.",
"Love NYC, hope to visit some day.",
"Credit to the photographer, [Vincent Laforet](http://www.vincentlaforet.com/). This is part of his [Air](http://www.laforetair.com/galleries.php) project.",
"Wonderful!. Im not wikipedia tho and Ive havent been there. \n\nIts just subjective opinion.",
"Thank you, I couldn't find the correct source.",
"*manhattan",
"South is at the top of this picture.\n\nAlso, you can make out the new One World Trade center, big building at the very top center.",
"the amount of threesomes going down when this pic was taken is represented by each light you see. ",
"I wouldn't be surprised with the cost of real estate in NYC if it was worth over a trillion. ",
"I would.",
"[The fed put a price on an acre of land at $90mm in 2006.](https://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/13/2100-a-square-foot-for-vacant-land) Land is worth considerably more in 2017, and the acres of land in Central Park are some of the highest valued in NYC, so let’s make it $150mm — probably conservative.\n\nCentral Park has about 850 acres. So at $150mm/acre, it’s value would be…$127,500,000,000 (127.5 billion dollars). [About the value of Maine, according to one estimate.](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/generalmoney/what-us-land-is-really-worth-state-by-state/ar-BBkTfZS)",
"Take out Berlin and I'd agree with you there. Wikipedia has an official list BTW. ",
"Flat earth. ",
"A lot of planning that made for horrible congestion. America hates circles. ",
"Wow! Thanks.\n\nAnother variable though is the value the park adds to the city. ",
"Vermont is a much better park for a third of the price!\n/s\n\nIn reality, you make a great point though. Without Central Park, New York City isn’t the same.",
"That is just the land value, the amount to develop it would be astronomical. It'd be one, of if not the most valuable spaces in the world. \n\nI guess the value would decrease, because if you build IN central park you take away from the \"central park elite\" buildings.\n\nEither way its worth so much money it's mind boggling. ",
"All those sewer rats and TV shows being filmed that nobody watches",
"The really bright area above central park looks like time square. I usually avoid it cause its like a tourist trap but whenever im there at night time- its practically day time",
"The dark hides evil.",
"So, you've never left North America then....",
"> Tokyo-kyoto\n\nI see what you did there.\n\n\n.... and Riyadh....before those other cities? ",
"His Vegas photos are amazing too.",
"Why on Earth would you “develop it”? Jesus.",
"And not too hard to figure out what part is Times Square... :)",
"The area around Central Park is so valuable because of Central Park though. Without it existing it’d have a cumulative effect of reducing property values city wide both by massively increasing the supply of properties and reducing the prestige of the close to park locations surrounding it. ",
"hey this was my phone background two years ago",
"Who puts a camera on a bunch of feet?",
"Damn, I bet the view at 7,501 feet would be even more dope!",
"Sorry to disappoint.",
"Good choice",
"Flat Earthers for the win.",
"The Central Park is the reason many of these places around it are so expensive, any apartment with a view to the central park is worth a fortune.",
"Because foreign investors would pay top dollar to buy a condo in Central Park that they'll never visit.",
"> \"We need a HUGE park centrally located so we can reduce the amount of crazy\".\n\nYou know when you are in a family reunion and you walk to the backyard or the front door just to get some fresh air and keep sane? \n\nThe Central Park is technically that for NYC.",
"add some fog and rain and you have New York in 2049",
"Can almost see my apt in the bottom right!",
"It's pretty interesting to see just how little of Manhattan has been converted to LED street lamps. It often feels like so much of it but that's probably just me noticing it when a street has been converted.",
"It’s weird that broadway isn’t clear ",
"How does this only have 25 upvotes ",
"Is it that really bright spot just above, or to the south, of Central Park? I’m not too familiar with New York and figured that glow was all the screens.",
"Yeah, it's beautiful.",
"Fuck visiting, I hope to live there someday.",
"I can see my house from here!",
"Also known as a shit replacement for what once stood. \n\nI'm dismayed how crap the new WTC looks in reality compared to the awesome twin towers of before. I mean, hell, just have twin buildings and you're good. But no, they had to greenlight some shit that no one agreed with. \n\nFuck the political fucks who greenlit this new WTC crap. Probably got rich by taking bribes for this as well. And the public has to pay in part for this and tourists with their insane prices to go to the top. \n\nStupid all around. ",
"Wow, I live in NY and never heard anyone critique it before, love it or hate it. Does it have architectural issues?\n",
"How many homeless people do you suppose live in Central Park?",
"In this picture, the large dark square in the center is Central Park, which ends at 59th St (top of picture). Times Square is the intensely bright blue/white spot just above it (to the South). It's about 14 blocks between 59th St and 45th St, the Northern (bottom of pic) edge of Times Square.\n\nHere's what the darker spots are in Central Park, from top to bottom of pic:\n\n* Pond\n* Zoo\n* Lake\n* Great Lawn (grass field surrounded by like 10 baseball fields)\n* Resevior\n* North Meadow (another field with many baseball fields)\n* Meer (Pond)",
"You're right, I think that would put it at less than the value of Maine. I'd say it's roughly the value of Canada minus Toronto, Vancouver, Quebec, and Tim Hortons.",
"See? This is what I want out of /r/pics...",
"same, but its so expensive",
"Was the puc taken via plane? Or via Phantom?...",
"It was clearly designed by committee, a committee who's goal was to find the absolute least risky design and spend the least possible amount of money. They had Daniel goddamn Liebskind as the master planner, but gave Child's the tower who promptly ignored all of Liebskinds insights. It's not a \"bad\" tower, but it's incredibly boring. It's the tallest building in the country, the first super-tall skyscraper even built in the western hemisphere, and built on the ashes of one of the greatest American tragedies. This tower should have been an icon of a re-newed America moving into a new millennia. And yet it inspires nothing. It's as bland as bread, and has no soul. My wife took a trip to NYC, went to the 9/11 fountain, and didn't even realize nor care about the tower she was standing literally right next to. When she came back I asked her about the tower and she had no idea what I was talking about, she had no memories of even seeing that tower because it's so incredibly boring.",
"List of what?",
"On point moistpockets!",
"Good explanation. I can see that. Like I'd said, I've literally never heard a single person compliment it.",
"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city",
"Ah, LaGuardia departure or JFK arrival?",
"Warning: entering Dark Zone.",
"Delightful pic. ",
"Given how housing is working in this city, despite a massive increase in apartments, mostly \"luxury\" apartments. I'ld bet my rent and everyone elses would STILL go up.",
"For some reason I'm picturing Randy Quaid coming out of time square in his F18 as if the space ship was a portal connecting 2 parallel universes ",
"What’s the big empty spot in the middle?",
"And a large part of Brooklyn, and Staten Island, and Jersey City",
"The whole rectangle is Central Park.",
"You can just say New York.",
"Think of all the conversations :)",
"It was planned before cars existed. ",
"Everywhere you live you're just visiting.",
"You aren't taking into account the fact that after some of the first acreage was sold, the unsold land would go up in price (supply and demand) before it went down, if it did at all. Likely effect, average price per acre would be higher in the end.",
"Such a waste. Think about how many hotels you could build there! Sad!",
"I'm amazed it still there and greed hasnt chipped away at it.",
"San Francisco's is even bigger.",
"I hope you’re not serious :( Central Park is beautiful ",
"Berlin is on that list, dummy.",
"This photo is New York City- the whole of New York is much larger than this.",
"Not according to the global power index.",
"Very few, it's heavily patrolled and there aren't many secluded areas.",
"There's a lot more to New York than NYC",
"Sydney should be on that list",
"Cities are actually ranked by category — New York City and London are the only two cities in the top category, which are considered Alpha++ cities. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city#GaWC_study)",
"So sad, but so true",
"First thing, let's kick out all the undesirables so we can have a nice park.\n\nhttp://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/seneca-village-black-town-razed-central-park-article-1.2639611",
"The \"glow\" is the color saturation slider turned up to max in Photoshop. Because it doesn't look that brilliant in reality.",
"Those are not in any order. ;)",
"nice look",
"And Youngstown Ohio has the biggest. Still a shit hole though.",
"I'd love to take a walk along one of those long streets...",
"It's so weird that everything is in a grid shape",
"Someone is probably being murdered in this picture. And no one knows.",
"Chicago?",
"And only part of NYC proper. Not pictured is The Bronx or Queens and part of Brooklyn.",
"God I hate Superman's instagram. Ooh look at me, I can fly high and take pictures of cities!",
"Is that really bright spot avoe central Park time Square? ",
"And from a bit higher than that, a few amateur pilots managed to dive and fly massive passenger jets into two tiny targets with absolute precision in a time before people had GPS in their cell phones.",
"It’s a better place to visit, believe me. ",
"yes",
"Take a step back and rethink the question. Would you prefer that the center of Manhatten was full of condos instead of Central Park? Would you destroy the park for money if you had the chance? My question is why? Can you articulate why you would want to do that?",
"Never thought I would see Youngstown in the wild! Mill Creek is amazing, but go 20 feet out and you might get shot.",
"Of course not! But I have no doubts that developers would, given any chance whatsoever. I live in NYC, and the level of greed that landlords and developers display is simply astounding. ",
"city of light ",
"Why the hell would you want to live there? Overcrowded, lots of traffic, and expensive. It's hell on earth.",
"r/they did the maths\n\nWhat's a dollar millimetre?",
"Beautiful",
"Youngstown isn't nearly the population density or size of SF or NY. Completely moronic association there.",
"I could be wrong but I don't think the land in Central Park is suitable for building, I'm pretty sure if they could have built on it they would have. Again I'm probably wrong but that's what I heard",
"Never thought I would be living in Youngstown.",
"Um, I wasn't trying to make that association. You can put your dick away now.",
"Then you're not even remotely on topic. Get your head on straight, kid.",
"I know lol but still, carriages were a thing. Naturally things get busier as time goes on.",
"The population in 1810 in NY, around the time the Manhattan grid was created, was 96k. I don’t think anyone expected the population to rise as much as it is now. The daytime population of Manhattan now is 4m. ",
"4m... Wtf. :o",
"I really wish they would get on plowing the roads. They are a total mess still.",
"They aren't too bad in the north side. Then again I am very close to st. E's so that might be why.",
"35 billion. So not even close. \n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,,-62724,00.html"
] | 132 |
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The view from 7,500 feet over New York City.
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[
"beautiful.nature is always beautiful",
"Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.",
"England?",
"It's in nor-cal about an hour north of Sacramento in a small farming town."
] | 4 |
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Sometimes you find the most beautiful sights in the most unexpected places.
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[
"Then 'r' is an awesome piece of design",
"10 cents?",
"I don’t get it. "
] | 3 |
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This old school Dr. Pepper vending machine.
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/r/pics/comments/7qlnvc/abandoned_six_flags_new_orleans/
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[
"Unfortunately, a crime ridden amusement park just wasn't amusing.",
"Maybe that’s why Mother Nature decided to take it back ",
"Mafia 3",
"If my knowledge of video games and movies has taught me anything, there is a serial killer in there somewhere.",
"6 Flags: Deadass Adventure!",
"There is always something very sinister about abandoned theme parks.",
"In England the Pikeys would have had the metal for scrap long before now.",
"103 photos I shot inside the park, 5 years after it closed: https://www.flickr.com/photos/motionblur/albums/72157645391489660",
"ShitHole amusement park",
"Some awesome photos, I’m jealous you went in. We were only passing by so I just flew my drone over real quick. I’d like to go back and get in like that",
"There really is!",
"Fun fact Percy Jackson was shot there. I’m sure there should be a horror movie shot there next",
"Or a man pretending to be a ghost so that he can scare off the company looking to buy the land and develop it.",
"Sounds like a new Scooby-Doo movie lol",
"Good books, the movies...not so much",
"You're too kind, thanks so much!\n\nWe were lucky to get in and out of the park over 3 consecutive days and nights without any problems. That was in June 2011 before the movie shoots and people being held up at gun point! Things have changed a lot. I tried to get in again a couple of years ago and encountered two security cars. Six Flags is unpredictable!",
"I was going to attempt a quick run up to it, thought since it’s winter the gator and snake issue wouldn’t be as bad, but I saw 2 security cars and decided against it. I’ll just have to enjoy your shots for now!",
"Fact! They always have to screw up a good book. ",
"Abandoned on Viceland did an episode here; was great. Whole show is really comfy. "
] | 19 |
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Abandoned six flags, New Orleans
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[
"Love this place.. we go every summer for my company outing ",
"I would think the surrounding landscape is a bit whiter today.",
"Love it up there. Beautiful hotel and grounds"
] | 3 |
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Mohonk Mountain House, NY
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/r/pics/comments/7qlo5w/first_night_with_our_first_born_son_my_wife/
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[
"Congratulations. Welcome to fatherhood with all the terror, chaos and unequivocal joy that comes along with it. As the father of two teenagers, I’ve been there and done that.\n\nMy unrequested advice is that you be in no hurry for your child to grow up. They will do that faster than you could have imagined and you will long for those days to return even when you know that’s not possible so enjoy each stage for what it is.\n\nAgain, congratulations!",
"Congratulations! What a beautiful moment you've captured! Don't stop taking pictures of mom and baby, mom will appreciate them!",
"Congratulations my friend :)\nCongratulations to your wife also who I’m sure has been through a lot. ",
"Awesome! Congratulations 🎈 ",
"Congrats, I remember this from September '17. Welcome to fatherhood. ",
"Welcome to the club. Hold on to every moment, they go by too quickly. "
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First night with our first born son, my wife filling out his baby book.
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[
"Super cute dog 🤗",
"Lincoln or Omaha? And it's Damn cold. ",
"It’s Omaha... You can see the Woodmen tower in the background if you look closely."
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Nebraska patio hangs
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/r/pics/comments/7qlqf6/the_way_this_tree_died/
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[
"Lightening probably? ",
"that was my first thought. ",
"\"God's corkscrew\"",
"Black ants is what it is."
] | 4 |
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The way this tree died.
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/r/pics/comments/7qlr2j/my_brain_hurts/
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[
"I pray daily that men's skinny jeans will just go away",
"Is this is a poor example of an optical illusion? or are you pointing out the kid looks like a douche sitting like that?",
"Is that Shroud?"
] | 3 |
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My brain hurts
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/r/pics/comments/7qlss2/maybe_shes_born_with_it_maybe_its_60_celcius/
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[
"Russia's pretty damn cold right [now](https://themoscowtimes.com/news/parts-of-russia-descend-into-minues-60-celsius-winter-60186)",
"That's kinda terrifying. ",
"This look will be a makeup trend in no time 🙄",
"Why does this creep me out so much :S",
"Nice icelashes "
] | 5 |
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Maybe she’s born with it, maybe it’s -60 celcius
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/r/pics/comments/7qlt0u/it_was_32c_26f_in_montreal_canada_this_morning/
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[
"What are the white tents/tarps for?",
"We call them \"tempos\", as in \"temporary garage/carport.\" We get a lot of snow, so instead of cleaning off your car every morning, just park it in one of these, if you don't have a real garage/carport. \n\n\nJust take it down by April 15th or by-law's a comin' for ya. ",
"People shouldn't have to live like this",
"This has been the worst winter I can remember here in Montreal. A shit load of snow and fuckin cold!",
"I have a garage but the slope is so steep on my driveway that my car would slide on ice and ram into my garage door if I didn't had a *Tempo*. But since we have a lot of snow in Montreal, it's also really useful to reduce the amount of time we spend shoveling.",
"All that cocaine should warm everyone up nicely!",
"It has been -26 or colder in northern Minnesota for the better part of a month now. ",
"As a Canadian my response in my head to this was \"so?\"",
"Was it? It was -16C when I woke up this morning.",
"Did you wear shorts?"
] | 10 |
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It was -32°C (-26°F) in Montreal, Canada this morning
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/r/pics/comments/7qlwol/on_the_line_in_my_kitchen_theres_a_mythical/
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[
"We do this dumb shit at my job too and you sir just made my day. From one redditer to another thank you for this. What ever gets you through the shift ya know.",
"What kind of strange Food are you serving? Brussel Sprouts, Carrots and Oysters for two? Also what does ---FIRE--- mean? You where looking for #69 420?",
"Goddamn it Sofya",
"https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m5RtlpXsl8k",
"Absolutely, having fun at my job even if it’s just bullshit like this is why I enjoy going in every day. ",
"These are happy hour menu items that two patrons happen to order. FIRE means to cook said menu items immediately as opposed to HOLD when we wait until the server fires it. I absolutely was looking for #69 at 4:20. ",
"A ~~ day ~~ *minute* late and a ~~ dollar short ~~ *ticket early*.",
"As a line cook myself, these things are always fun. That and thermal tickets plus a highlighter and the heat lamp are fun too",
"Why not put in and cancel an order or two on a day you are close to cheer up the troops?",
"Part of the magic and wonder of #69 @ 4:20 is the low probability of it happening. Cheating would be trying too hard I imagine. ",
"I totally agree and it would be trying way too hard. I'm a server and i am not kissing any ass but where I work and every where I ever worked. Front of house makes more money then cooks. And I get it but thats backwards. Cooks should make more than servers. Any comments",
"Having worked just about every position in a restaurant, I understand why front of house would make more as they’re having to actually deal with/please some of the shittiest people on this earth. However now that I’m working back of house I do think the gap should be closer than it is. At the end of the day if we serve outstanding vs poor food more times than not it will have an affect on the overall tip percentage."
] | 12 |
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On the line in my kitchen, there’s a mythical ticket number/time combination we’ve joked about seeing, and yesterday we were THIS close.
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/r/pics/comments/7qm30o/broker_in_law_eats_sausage_and_bacon_with_ketchup/
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[
"*brother damn it",
"disgusting",
"Ketchup is the only sauce for bacon and sausage, all other sauces be damned ",
"ok",
"Leave the poor fucker alone. He's married to your sister for Christ's sake. The guy has it hard enough ",
"So....he is your wife's broker? Or your broker's husband?"
] | 6 |
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Broker in law eats sausage and bacon with ketchup!
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/r/pics/comments/7qm5wq/this_dog_has_an_oddly_human_face/
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[
"Hmm, maybe you just know a lot of people that look like dogs?",
"Looks a bit [like](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/trueblood/images/7/76/Love_is_to_die_Eric_S7_INFOBOX.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140817175530)",
"..no, it doesnt.",
"This human has an oddly dog face. "
] | 4 |
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This dog has an oddly human face
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/r/pics/comments/7qm7qx/sorrel_the_red_panda_doing_some_painting/
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[
"The durp tongue while he works is the best part. ",
"Blep*",
"He’s doing a pretty good job.",
"Better painter than my mother-in-law",
"If we all had a red panda as a sidekick, there would be no world conflict.",
"THAT THING BELONGS IN A MUSEUM.",
"Where can I buy his amazing art?",
"He's sticking his tongue out in concentration! 😍😍😍",
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"You can pick it up in the gift shop at the Birmingham Zoo. ",
"The panda wars will be as savage as they are cute",
"This is going straight in my eye-bleach folder.",
"This is cute, but i doubt it clearly got some help with this. Is there any video of it painting?",
"Everything about this photo makes me smile so much. His lil derpy face!",
"...and you just know that he's hummin' some current top-twenty, just a wee bit out of tune.",
"omg so cute ",
"You are awesome, thank you!"
] | 17 |
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Sorrel the Red Panda doing some painting
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/r/pics/comments/7qm87v/double_lenticular_clouds_over_mt_rainier/
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[
"Every time I see these types of pictures, or see a lenticular cloud above Rainier in person, I can't help but hear Close Encounters of the Third Kind's iconic tones in my head.",
"Excuse me, but that's clearly Death Mountain.",
"http://s3.amazonaws.com/NRNArt/Infamous-Stringdusters--Silver-Sky-Deluxe-Edition-album-cover.jpg",
"it really gives off an alien vibe doesn't it",
"No worries, it’s just George Clinton stopping by to do his AmA.",
"Was this taken today? That’s so cool!",
"This is the Album Art for the Infamous Stringduster's Silver Sky album. Cool pic!",
"Volvagia be pissed, man. ",
"The mothership awaits!",
"So, aliens?",
"How are these even made??",
"I was thinking the same thing ",
"Mountain Birth Control.",
"Clearly the second impact is happening!!!",
"Thank you, exactly what popped into my head.",
"I want to believe.",
"copied picture but they do do this. I've seen stacks of 4!",
"Dammit I missed it! ",
"Just makes me think of Sahaquiel. \n\nhttps://cdn.anisearch.de/images/character/screen/0/52/full/26337.jpg\n\n",
"In flight school the part about these clouds was basically just a picture and \"DON'T\"",
"Looks like it was taken in the 90s",
"I see you two are well-cultured people as well. Let us bask in this moment before we join the pool of sentient Sunny D.",
"Shinji, not again!",
"Why do the gorons have to eat the rocks inside of death mountain? They're surrounded by rocks already. Can't they just chip some off of the mountain and eat that?",
"Deaf Mountain? I couldn’t hear you...",
"Anything's possible for Jesus.",
"Clouds my ass! Those are definitely ufos",
"Really good album with a really good photo on the front.",
"Seriously? 29 comments thus far and not one single reference to Independence Day? Damn I may need to be carbon dated now.",
"I always assumed they rocks inside dodongo's cavern were mineral dense or something of the like, making it so they were the only nutritious food for the Gorons. That being said, why couldn't they eat the rock blocking the cave?",
"Hey, good point!",
"Like I always say, the mountain has it's own weather.",
"Oooooh\n\nLook at me I'm Mr. Fatcat mountain and I have TWO lentils. Some geological formations don't know how good they've got it.",
"Repost with the same top comment Reddit dejavu I’ve been here to long ",
"They have returned",
"Well, first, you take a bunch of rocks and you stack them on top of each other till you have a mountain of rocks. \nThen...",
"This has nothing to do with this independence day you speak of.\n",
" I've seen 3-bees over Rainier, never 4. ",
"“Clouds”",
"The 4th impact, too obvious. If you observe, you won't be suprised to find EVA there.",
"They're heeeeere!",
"4 hours and only two sarcastic replies...\n\nThe basic premise is that a wave has formed in the air current above the mountain. Air is moving up on the left side and down on the right. The moisture content of said air is just right so that as it travels high enough, it cools, reaches it's dew point and condenses; forming the cloud you see. But as it moves back down on the other side of the mountain it warms again and dissipates. Because the cloud is continuously forming and dissipating in the same area, it appears to stand still. This is why they are commonly referred to as \"Standing Lenticular\" clouds.\n\nIt appears that there is some kind of temperature inversion layer, leading to multiple \"stacked\" lenticular clouds.",
"I think one of them mentioned that it's preferential. They're starving to death because of taste. ",
"Got the content for 1 million views... Alien enthusiast YouTuber",
"I’ve seen this before. This is clearly a repost. There’s no way that two photos could exist of double lenticular clouds over Mt. Rainer.",
"Aliens.",
"I fucking love my state.",
"Storms coming",
"I've been on reddit for too long... \n\nStill great picture though. ",
"Simply awesome! ",
"Fucking Shinji, not again.",
"These are the most lenticularly accurate clouds in any picture. Scientists wrote letters praising the lenticularity of these clouds.",
"I smell a cover up that’s definitely aliens ",
"Looks like it just shot a laser through the atmosphere or something",
"Stunning. ",
"I live in Yelm and can see the mountain pretty clearly most days. I love it so much, especially at sunrise.",
"ya aliens tryna take over man\n",
"dude it's aliens man ",
"dude ikr its DEF aliens",
"bein covered up by clouds man",
"I love this state ",
"Washington is beautiful city",
"This. And usually happens when the weather is changing. Like today was relatively nice, tomorrow probably will rain. ",
"Oh, wow....all the way....",
"Yep, definitely know this one! ",
"I like to think Jesus done lost his contacts",
"I never get tired of seeing that mountain everyday",
"I never get tired of seeing that mountain everyday",
"Lenticular clouds are amazing",
"I live in Washington, and have seen Rainer many times in the way to a M’s or Raniers baseball game, but have never seen it like this",
"Tbh, that's 2 layers of the mountain missing.\nor it may be cloaked or something.",
"You have to get up super early for it usually. It's quite a great way to wake up!",
"And to add to this these clouds are indicative of high wind conditions at the top of the mountain. ",
"In glider school it’s quite the opposite: DO!",
"Take my upvote and say hi to Darunia for me",
"Nothing like clouds for making a mountain rainier. ",
"Located in scenic Probe County. ",
"Yeah I bet! I don’t live in the Seattle area, far from it down south a couple hours away but I’ll put it on my bucketlist",
"We see these often over Rainier in our back yard, however, we see the other (prettier) side out of the mountain.\n\nOld wives tales say that when you see those over Rainier rain will come with in 3 days. I think its just luck because it every 3 days anyway.",
"Mt. Doom",
"I'm just glad there's a pic in this sub that's finally not political. \nEdit: shit. Did I just make it political? Falk. My bad. Carry on. ",
"Whoaaa double-lenticular clouds man! It’s so beautiful. ..",
"And don't tell the aliens in these flying saucers that you called their mating ritual \"double lenticular clouds\"!",
"🌋( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)🌋",
"My favorite time to see the mountain is when its foggy around the base so it looks like the mountain is just floating there.",
"It is a cool pic but man, you would NOT want to be a climber up there right now. Lenticular's mean winds, **heavy** winds. Also, when you see these on Rainier it means we're about to get a weather change -- insert rain.",
"Can confirm I have seen 4. I have a clear view of the mountain out my front window across a lake.",
"Nah that's the mothership landing mate. Clearly a sleeper agent activated the beacon up there.",
"So cool! Have never seen this before. ",
"I've never seen clouds like this before.",
"but why does it need company ?",
"Isthat a reference to another post?",
"Is it cloud ? :p",
"When you are a Pro in smoking Pot.",
"Did he win the boss fight?",
"Gonna need a better shield to get up the mountain unharmed.",
"... :: begins to cloud your ass as commanded ::",
"ALIENS ARE COMING!!",
"So basically, the OP either Shopped the album cover or found the original and isn't giving credit....",
"They're very rare, so having two of them stacked is even more rare.",
"Daniel Clintump is the worst president the Amanica's have ever seen.",
"Scientists, explain this",
"So hot. ",
"Well eventually they would eat their whole entire home right? ",
"Just digital zoom",
"Greetings from Oregon! Thanks for catching that photo, it's beautiful."
] | 106 |
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Double lenticular clouds over Mt Rainier, Washington
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/r/pics/comments/7qm97f/amazing_flamingoes_in_aruba/
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[
"Big deal. I have the same thing in my front yard but their wings spin around in the wind. I can't seem to get them to leave though...",
"Antsy McClain fans are everywhere, man!",
"Better get out there and master their language so you can give them proper directions of where to go."
] | 3 |
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Amazing flamingoes in Aruba
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/r/pics/comments/7qmc93/the_perfect_romantic_dinner/
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[
"Man your dog is a good cook",
"Who eats three pieces of chicken?",
"who eats *only three pieces of chicken?",
"when one says a juicy dinner! ",
"\"Romantic\".\n\nಠ_ಠ",
"Three friggin breasts? Chill out proteinman.",
"Share one with the doggo"
] | 7 |
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The perfect romantic dinner
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/r/pics/comments/7qmf2a/a_pencil_drawing_i_made_about_solitude/
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[
"Great as usual. I'm big fan of your art. ",
"Looked at this for a while. Solitude connection is really strong. Will look some more.",
"DRR...DRR...DRR...",
"Beautiful image, it almost feels that i'm sinking with her, falling into a watery prison of my own isolation.",
"Enigma of Amigara Fault.",
"Always love seeing your work! ",
"/r/woahdude ",
"this makes solitude seem great.",
"Reminds me of some Jungi Ito shit. I dig it.",
"Thats gorgeous. That would be a great for a book/cd cover.",
"So you think she was drawn to that hole?",
"Great job! Love my solitude, and it's not that common of an everyday word, thanks for sharing, you have a unique talent my friend.",
"[The Enigma of Amigara Fault](https://imgur.com/gallery/ZNSaq)\n\nya first thought, do not read this late at night poeple\n",
"Getting some serious trypophobia vibes",
"Is there anymore to this story?",
"amazing",
"You need a blanky",
"I could not take a photograph that good. You talented people just continue to piss me off. Very nice.",
"God damnit. I came here thinking, this is such a nice picture, I sure hope no one mentions... Well, you know. And here you are! ",
"*reads* on second thought, I didn't need sleep anyway",
"I read it for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and I still don't see why people think it's so scary. Maybe I'm just weird.",
"Looks cozy and familiar ",
"I’ve been playing way too much Skyrim. ",
"If this that animated jump shit at the end...",
"Meh",
"Yeah, how's that... Oh solitude the thing.",
"This reminds me of the first time you see River Tam in Firefly",
"Thats just what I was thinking. ",
"indeed, scary no, creepy yes",
"https://m.imgur.com/gallery/ZNSaq",
"This reminds me a lot of Tetsuya Ishida’s work. You are very talented."
] | 31 |
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A pencil drawing i made about solitude
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