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So now you're trying to tell me these are two different people?
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"Glad 54 million people decided they wanted to put immature high schoolers in charge of the House.",
">\n\nCoincidentally, high school is also the period when these people peaked.",
">\n\nUmm, I doubt it, Boebert never actually graduated.",
">\n\nI bet she made out with green but it was a “fight”",
">\n\nThere's only one word to describe this situation, and that word is \"classy\".",
">\n\nmany people are saying that boebert's husband was also in the bathroom trying to look over/under stalls.",
">\n\nThere were teenagers in the bathroom?",
">\n\nWas Matt Gaetz hovering outside the door?",
">\n\nLauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene were on their way to a reality tv show audition, got lost and ended up in DC. There's no other way to explain it.",
">\n\nThere is a video out there of MTG auditioning on American idol",
">\n\nCelebrity Death Match!!",
">\n\nI watch that claymation",
">\n\nCocaine’s a helluva drug",
">\n\nWonder if they took off their earrings and put their hair up like they used to back in school.",
">\n\nMTG is a selling out the MAGA/QAnon crowd so this isn't surprising.\nShe was given a rope from the establishment to free herself from it and she took it.",
">\n\nHigh school behavior...awesome...",
">\n\nI think the big question here is, did they wash their hands?",
">\n\nEspecially if they were flinging poo like monkeys",
">\n\nWhat they fighting about? One of them losing faith in \"the plan\" or Trump or something?",
">\n\nChrist, it’s like Dynasty up in the House",
">\n\npretty much like two titty-dancers fighting over who gets to perform to Super Freak",
">\n\nDamn, look at MGT’s Adams apple. I didn’t know they let trans people into the Republican Party.",
">\n\nI heard that the argument started when Boebert yelled at Greene to get out because the ladies room was for ladies.\n/s",
">\n\nPretty sure I can guess which one left the toilet seat up"
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"Glad 54 million people decided they wanted to put immature high schoolers in charge of the House.",
">\n\nCoincidentally, high school is also the period when these people peaked.",
">\n\nUmm, I doubt it, Boebert never actually graduated.",
">\n\nI bet she made out with green but it was a “fight”",
">\n\nThere's only one word to describe this situation, and that word is \"classy\".",
">\n\nmany people are saying that boebert's husband was also in the bathroom trying to look over/under stalls.",
">\n\nThere were teenagers in the bathroom?",
">\n\nWas Matt Gaetz hovering outside the door?",
">\n\nLauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene were on their way to a reality tv show audition, got lost and ended up in DC. There's no other way to explain it.",
">\n\nThere is a video out there of MTG auditioning on American idol",
">\n\nCelebrity Death Match!!",
">\n\nI watch that claymation",
">\n\nCocaine’s a helluva drug",
">\n\nWonder if they took off their earrings and put their hair up like they used to back in school.",
">\n\nMTG is a selling out the MAGA/QAnon crowd so this isn't surprising.\nShe was given a rope from the establishment to free herself from it and she took it.",
">\n\nHigh school behavior...awesome...",
">\n\nI think the big question here is, did they wash their hands?",
">\n\nEspecially if they were flinging poo like monkeys",
">\n\nWhat they fighting about? One of them losing faith in \"the plan\" or Trump or something?",
">\n\nChrist, it’s like Dynasty up in the House",
">\n\npretty much like two titty-dancers fighting over who gets to perform to Super Freak",
">\n\nDamn, look at MGT’s Adams apple. I didn’t know they let trans people into the Republican Party.",
">\n\nI heard that the argument started when Boebert yelled at Greene to get out because the ladies room was for ladies.\n/s",
">\n\nPretty sure I can guess which one left the toilet seat up",
">\n\nSo now you're trying to tell me these are two different people?"
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I agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .
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I agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other ."
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I hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).
Theres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising.
Parentings hard
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children."
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For sure
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard"
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Isn't this just another "people should have to be permitted to have children" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?
It's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.
What you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?
It's just not workable.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure"
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Also, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed?
So many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable."
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In my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion."
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Teaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.
And yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.
Would it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents."
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I think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.
Yes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time."
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How many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills."
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Many kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?"
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Kindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.
Forced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs"
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Kids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.
Okay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room.
!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics."
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Confirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).
^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying"
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So that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten.
How about convicts? alcoholics?
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards"
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Anyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?"
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So how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first."
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That is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?"
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I don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits."
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Any argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.
Not even being sarcastic
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one."
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I think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic"
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I have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting."
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What defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money."
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This is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?"
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It should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic."
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If someone is unfit to work with children do you think they would be fit to raise a child?
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.",
">\n\nIt should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent."
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The ability to raise a child does not necessarily depend on an individual's fitness to work with children. This is because fitness to work with children usually relates to an individual's ability to act in a responsible and professional manner when working in an educational or childcare setting, whereas parenting is primarily based on an individual's own personal lifestyle choices, values and beliefs. To be a competent and capable parent requires a different set of skills and knowledge that may not necessarily overlap with those required to work in a professional role with children.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.",
">\n\nIt should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent.",
">\n\nIf someone is unfit to work with children do you think they would be fit to raise a child?"
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I would say that fitness to work with children requires what you say and more, yes need to be responsible and professional, but also caring, kind and calm under pressure, all of which I would say are necessary for raising children too, except the professional part. I think childcare skills would overlap by necessity
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.",
">\n\nIt should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent.",
">\n\nIf someone is unfit to work with children do you think they would be fit to raise a child?",
">\n\nThe ability to raise a child does not necessarily depend on an individual's fitness to work with children. This is because fitness to work with children usually relates to an individual's ability to act in a responsible and professional manner when working in an educational or childcare setting, whereas parenting is primarily based on an individual's own personal lifestyle choices, values and beliefs. To be a competent and capable parent requires a different set of skills and knowledge that may not necessarily overlap with those required to work in a professional role with children."
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What’s your proposed punishment if they don’t do the time?
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.",
">\n\nIt should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent.",
">\n\nIf someone is unfit to work with children do you think they would be fit to raise a child?",
">\n\nThe ability to raise a child does not necessarily depend on an individual's fitness to work with children. This is because fitness to work with children usually relates to an individual's ability to act in a responsible and professional manner when working in an educational or childcare setting, whereas parenting is primarily based on an individual's own personal lifestyle choices, values and beliefs. To be a competent and capable parent requires a different set of skills and knowledge that may not necessarily overlap with those required to work in a professional role with children.",
">\n\nI would say that fitness to work with children requires what you say and more, yes need to be responsible and professional, but also caring, kind and calm under pressure, all of which I would say are necessary for raising children too, except the professional part. I think childcare skills would overlap by necessity"
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There’d be no punishment, people gonna have kids no matter what. I do still think it would benefit them to have the experience though
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.",
">\n\nIt should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent.",
">\n\nIf someone is unfit to work with children do you think they would be fit to raise a child?",
">\n\nThe ability to raise a child does not necessarily depend on an individual's fitness to work with children. This is because fitness to work with children usually relates to an individual's ability to act in a responsible and professional manner when working in an educational or childcare setting, whereas parenting is primarily based on an individual's own personal lifestyle choices, values and beliefs. To be a competent and capable parent requires a different set of skills and knowledge that may not necessarily overlap with those required to work in a professional role with children.",
">\n\nI would say that fitness to work with children requires what you say and more, yes need to be responsible and professional, but also caring, kind and calm under pressure, all of which I would say are necessary for raising children too, except the professional part. I think childcare skills would overlap by necessity",
">\n\nWhat’s your proposed punishment if they don’t do the time?"
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So then it's not a mandatory period. Mandatory is only mandatory if it can be enforced, and enforcement comes with consequences for not complying.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.",
">\n\nIt should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent.",
">\n\nIf someone is unfit to work with children do you think they would be fit to raise a child?",
">\n\nThe ability to raise a child does not necessarily depend on an individual's fitness to work with children. This is because fitness to work with children usually relates to an individual's ability to act in a responsible and professional manner when working in an educational or childcare setting, whereas parenting is primarily based on an individual's own personal lifestyle choices, values and beliefs. To be a competent and capable parent requires a different set of skills and knowledge that may not necessarily overlap with those required to work in a professional role with children.",
">\n\nI would say that fitness to work with children requires what you say and more, yes need to be responsible and professional, but also caring, kind and calm under pressure, all of which I would say are necessary for raising children too, except the professional part. I think childcare skills would overlap by necessity",
">\n\nWhat’s your proposed punishment if they don’t do the time?",
">\n\nThere’d be no punishment, people gonna have kids no matter what. I do still think it would benefit them to have the experience though"
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By mandatory period I meant, when they do it it’s for a minimum time period, like 6 months. Like how in some countries men are drafted into the army for a period of time.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.",
">\n\nIt should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent.",
">\n\nIf someone is unfit to work with children do you think they would be fit to raise a child?",
">\n\nThe ability to raise a child does not necessarily depend on an individual's fitness to work with children. This is because fitness to work with children usually relates to an individual's ability to act in a responsible and professional manner when working in an educational or childcare setting, whereas parenting is primarily based on an individual's own personal lifestyle choices, values and beliefs. To be a competent and capable parent requires a different set of skills and knowledge that may not necessarily overlap with those required to work in a professional role with children.",
">\n\nI would say that fitness to work with children requires what you say and more, yes need to be responsible and professional, but also caring, kind and calm under pressure, all of which I would say are necessary for raising children too, except the professional part. I think childcare skills would overlap by necessity",
">\n\nWhat’s your proposed punishment if they don’t do the time?",
">\n\nThere’d be no punishment, people gonna have kids no matter what. I do still think it would benefit them to have the experience though",
">\n\nSo then it's not a mandatory period. Mandatory is only mandatory if it can be enforced, and enforcement comes with consequences for not complying."
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Why would I need to see what my children are like in kindergarten if I'm not the one teaching them kindergarten? I'm literally paying you to teach my children and deal with my children in kindergarten, not me.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.",
">\n\nIt should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent.",
">\n\nIf someone is unfit to work with children do you think they would be fit to raise a child?",
">\n\nThe ability to raise a child does not necessarily depend on an individual's fitness to work with children. This is because fitness to work with children usually relates to an individual's ability to act in a responsible and professional manner when working in an educational or childcare setting, whereas parenting is primarily based on an individual's own personal lifestyle choices, values and beliefs. To be a competent and capable parent requires a different set of skills and knowledge that may not necessarily overlap with those required to work in a professional role with children.",
">\n\nI would say that fitness to work with children requires what you say and more, yes need to be responsible and professional, but also caring, kind and calm under pressure, all of which I would say are necessary for raising children too, except the professional part. I think childcare skills would overlap by necessity",
">\n\nWhat’s your proposed punishment if they don’t do the time?",
">\n\nThere’d be no punishment, people gonna have kids no matter what. I do still think it would benefit them to have the experience though",
">\n\nSo then it's not a mandatory period. Mandatory is only mandatory if it can be enforced, and enforcement comes with consequences for not complying.",
">\n\nBy mandatory period I meant, when they do it it’s for a minimum time period, like 6 months. Like how in some countries men are drafted into the army for a period of time."
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That isn't a 1:1 from the start because it's not their kid. A biological/emotional link exists between a child and their parents, and that link means you'll do more for them with less aggravation. Like, I'll wipe my son's ass and get piss all over me (potentially) to change a diaper or clean up an accident. A stranger's kid shits his pants in school, MUCH less willing to jump up and help clean it up.
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.",
">\n\nIt should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent.",
">\n\nIf someone is unfit to work with children do you think they would be fit to raise a child?",
">\n\nThe ability to raise a child does not necessarily depend on an individual's fitness to work with children. This is because fitness to work with children usually relates to an individual's ability to act in a responsible and professional manner when working in an educational or childcare setting, whereas parenting is primarily based on an individual's own personal lifestyle choices, values and beliefs. To be a competent and capable parent requires a different set of skills and knowledge that may not necessarily overlap with those required to work in a professional role with children.",
">\n\nI would say that fitness to work with children requires what you say and more, yes need to be responsible and professional, but also caring, kind and calm under pressure, all of which I would say are necessary for raising children too, except the professional part. I think childcare skills would overlap by necessity",
">\n\nWhat’s your proposed punishment if they don’t do the time?",
">\n\nThere’d be no punishment, people gonna have kids no matter what. I do still think it would benefit them to have the experience though",
">\n\nSo then it's not a mandatory period. Mandatory is only mandatory if it can be enforced, and enforcement comes with consequences for not complying.",
">\n\nBy mandatory period I meant, when they do it it’s for a minimum time period, like 6 months. Like how in some countries men are drafted into the army for a period of time.",
">\n\nWhy would I need to see what my children are like in kindergarten if I'm not the one teaching them kindergarten? I'm literally paying you to teach my children and deal with my children in kindergarten, not me."
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Considering you cant stop people from making kids and forcefully aborting them just because they dont meet requirements is not really a good thing either how would you propose this is enforced?
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.",
">\n\nIt should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent.",
">\n\nIf someone is unfit to work with children do you think they would be fit to raise a child?",
">\n\nThe ability to raise a child does not necessarily depend on an individual's fitness to work with children. This is because fitness to work with children usually relates to an individual's ability to act in a responsible and professional manner when working in an educational or childcare setting, whereas parenting is primarily based on an individual's own personal lifestyle choices, values and beliefs. To be a competent and capable parent requires a different set of skills and knowledge that may not necessarily overlap with those required to work in a professional role with children.",
">\n\nI would say that fitness to work with children requires what you say and more, yes need to be responsible and professional, but also caring, kind and calm under pressure, all of which I would say are necessary for raising children too, except the professional part. I think childcare skills would overlap by necessity",
">\n\nWhat’s your proposed punishment if they don’t do the time?",
">\n\nThere’d be no punishment, people gonna have kids no matter what. I do still think it would benefit them to have the experience though",
">\n\nSo then it's not a mandatory period. Mandatory is only mandatory if it can be enforced, and enforcement comes with consequences for not complying.",
">\n\nBy mandatory period I meant, when they do it it’s for a minimum time period, like 6 months. Like how in some countries men are drafted into the army for a period of time.",
">\n\nWhy would I need to see what my children are like in kindergarten if I'm not the one teaching them kindergarten? I'm literally paying you to teach my children and deal with my children in kindergarten, not me.",
">\n\nThat isn't a 1:1 from the start because it's not their kid. A biological/emotional link exists between a child and their parents, and that link means you'll do more for them with less aggravation. Like, I'll wipe my son's ass and get piss all over me (potentially) to change a diaper or clean up an accident. A stranger's kid shits his pants in school, MUCH less willing to jump up and help clean it up."
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This is one of those dime a dozen CMV posts that are entirely unenforceable.
OK, so now we have a law that (for the good of the children) demands that people must work in a kindergarten for x months to be children. Now, Jack and Jill have a bit of fun in the bedroom, and boom, Jill has a bun in the oven! But Jill says "f*** this, I don't want to work in a kindergarten, so I'm not going to!"
Now what?
Does the government step in and puts Jill in prison? For how long? Does she have the baby in prison?
Does the government financially punish Jill? That's one fantastic way of encouraging abortions then...
Does the government forcefully drag Jill, kicking and screaming, to the local kindergarten? What if she is a terrible carer? Do we just not care for the dozens of children in kindergarten who suddenly got a big decrease in the quality of their care?
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.",
">\n\nIt should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent.",
">\n\nIf someone is unfit to work with children do you think they would be fit to raise a child?",
">\n\nThe ability to raise a child does not necessarily depend on an individual's fitness to work with children. This is because fitness to work with children usually relates to an individual's ability to act in a responsible and professional manner when working in an educational or childcare setting, whereas parenting is primarily based on an individual's own personal lifestyle choices, values and beliefs. To be a competent and capable parent requires a different set of skills and knowledge that may not necessarily overlap with those required to work in a professional role with children.",
">\n\nI would say that fitness to work with children requires what you say and more, yes need to be responsible and professional, but also caring, kind and calm under pressure, all of which I would say are necessary for raising children too, except the professional part. I think childcare skills would overlap by necessity",
">\n\nWhat’s your proposed punishment if they don’t do the time?",
">\n\nThere’d be no punishment, people gonna have kids no matter what. I do still think it would benefit them to have the experience though",
">\n\nSo then it's not a mandatory period. Mandatory is only mandatory if it can be enforced, and enforcement comes with consequences for not complying.",
">\n\nBy mandatory period I meant, when they do it it’s for a minimum time period, like 6 months. Like how in some countries men are drafted into the army for a period of time.",
">\n\nWhy would I need to see what my children are like in kindergarten if I'm not the one teaching them kindergarten? I'm literally paying you to teach my children and deal with my children in kindergarten, not me.",
">\n\nThat isn't a 1:1 from the start because it's not their kid. A biological/emotional link exists between a child and their parents, and that link means you'll do more for them with less aggravation. Like, I'll wipe my son's ass and get piss all over me (potentially) to change a diaper or clean up an accident. A stranger's kid shits his pants in school, MUCH less willing to jump up and help clean it up.",
">\n\nConsidering you cant stop people from making kids and forcefully aborting them just because they dont meet requirements is not really a good thing either how would you propose this is enforced?"
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">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.",
">\n\nIt should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent.",
">\n\nIf someone is unfit to work with children do you think they would be fit to raise a child?",
">\n\nThe ability to raise a child does not necessarily depend on an individual's fitness to work with children. This is because fitness to work with children usually relates to an individual's ability to act in a responsible and professional manner when working in an educational or childcare setting, whereas parenting is primarily based on an individual's own personal lifestyle choices, values and beliefs. To be a competent and capable parent requires a different set of skills and knowledge that may not necessarily overlap with those required to work in a professional role with children.",
">\n\nI would say that fitness to work with children requires what you say and more, yes need to be responsible and professional, but also caring, kind and calm under pressure, all of which I would say are necessary for raising children too, except the professional part. I think childcare skills would overlap by necessity",
">\n\nWhat’s your proposed punishment if they don’t do the time?",
">\n\nThere’d be no punishment, people gonna have kids no matter what. I do still think it would benefit them to have the experience though",
">\n\nSo then it's not a mandatory period. Mandatory is only mandatory if it can be enforced, and enforcement comes with consequences for not complying.",
">\n\nBy mandatory period I meant, when they do it it’s for a minimum time period, like 6 months. Like how in some countries men are drafted into the army for a period of time.",
">\n\nWhy would I need to see what my children are like in kindergarten if I'm not the one teaching them kindergarten? I'm literally paying you to teach my children and deal with my children in kindergarten, not me.",
">\n\nThat isn't a 1:1 from the start because it's not their kid. A biological/emotional link exists between a child and their parents, and that link means you'll do more for them with less aggravation. Like, I'll wipe my son's ass and get piss all over me (potentially) to change a diaper or clean up an accident. A stranger's kid shits his pants in school, MUCH less willing to jump up and help clean it up.",
">\n\nConsidering you cant stop people from making kids and forcefully aborting them just because they dont meet requirements is not really a good thing either how would you propose this is enforced?",
">\n\nThis is one of those dime a dozen CMV posts that are entirely unenforceable.\n\nOK, so now we have a law that (for the good of the children) demands that people must work in a kindergarten for x months to be children. Now, Jack and Jill have a bit of fun in the bedroom, and boom, Jill has a bun in the oven! But Jill says \"f*** this, I don't want to work in a kindergarten, so I'm not going to!\"\nNow what?\n\nDoes the government step in and puts Jill in prison? For how long? Does she have the baby in prison?\nDoes the government financially punish Jill? That's one fantastic way of encouraging abortions then...\nDoes the government forcefully drag Jill, kicking and screaming, to the local kindergarten? What if she is a terrible carer? Do we just not care for the dozens of children in kindergarten who suddenly got a big decrease in the quality of their care?"
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"/u/honeydewdrew (OP) has awarded 1 delta(s) in this post.\nAll comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in /r/DeltaLog.\nPlease note that a change of view doesn't necessarily mean a reversal, or that the conversation has ended.\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nI agree that many people that shouldn't have kids , have them. However, I disagree with the overall post . I think many people that are skilled with children still wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher . Think of all the wide range of careers , soldiers builders and farmers are good examples , mostly they wouldn't be a suitable kindergarten teacher because of the character or skills you need for those jobs . That doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't make good parents though . A teacher and a parent fulfil different roles , one might not be good at the other .",
">\n\nI agree in essence, but my argument wasn’t that they should be teachers but rather that they should get experience caring for kids in a kindergarten setting. While some kindergartens do give the children ‘lessons’ many just offer a childcare type setting which is more of what I’m envisioning, so these would be parents would get experience of caring for young children.",
">\n\nI hate dealing with other peoples kids, especially those raised by shitty parents. I how ever love dealing with my kids and no matter how annoying they are i try my hardest with them (well as much as humanly possible before breaking and needing a break).\nTheres also many types of shitty parenting from being absent, abusive or plain hating your kids to overbearing or even spoilt brat raising. \nParentings hard",
">\n\nFor sure",
">\n\nIsn't this just another \"people should have to be permitted to have children\" plan but in different words and a slightly different plan?\nIt's just going to fall into the same problem as all of those.\nWhat you gonna do if they don't do it anyway? Force abortions? Take kids away from people?\nIt's just not workable.",
">\n\nAlso, how many kindergartens are going to need to be created for all of these people to teach in? Also, teachers need degrees, are only people with degrees going to be allowed to have children, or is this requirement going to be removed? \nSo many reasons why this is a shit take. Belongs on r/unpopularopinion.",
">\n\nIn my country, teachers for primary school and up need a degree but not for kindergarten, and kindergartens are understaffed. I’m not imagining these potential parents as teachers but more like child care workers. Which would be a benefit to the schools to have more people to care for the kids.\nI’m not saying they shouldn’t have kids otherwise. Just that the experience of having work experience in a kindergarten would be a big benefit to them as future parents.",
">\n\nTeaching and controlling a large group of young kids is a different skillset from one-on-one with kids who have a deep relationship with you. There are people who are great teachers but terrible parents, and vice versa.\nAnd yes, it would be fantastic if parents could get experience with ALL levels of schooling so they could understand how to work with all sorts of kids and also how the school experience has changed since they were young, but that's foolishly unrealistic. I'm fairly certain the regular advice is that you'll be at a job for about four months before you get comfortable enough to even begin to be a benefit to the company and learn stuff for long term, so you're probably looking at six month minimums for parents to get anything real out of it and longer if they're only helping out once a week for a few hours.\nWould it be good for everyone to be a plumber for a while to learn to fix their pipework? Or an electrician to learn electrical safety? How about a researcher to be able to understand scientific literacy and be able to avoid common fake news tactics? People's time is a finite resource. And even you admitted that having some people try to teach would be a waste of time.",
">\n\nI think if someone is a terrible teacher they would likely also be a terrible parent. So much of parenting is guiding and scaffolding the world to help young children understand and learn. Also, especially at KG age so much of the work is centred around child care and play, and less so about actual lessons per say.\nYes I was imagining six months to one year minimum. You’re right people getting experience in various work fields could generally help them overall, but I think parenting is something particular. When you’re a parent you are considered responsible for your child. People expect you to have the skills to handle your own child but often people just don’t have those skills. Nobody would bat an eyelid if someone said “I had to get a plumber in to fix my pipes because I couldn’t fix it myself” but it would raise eyebrows if someone said, “I had to get child services in because I was struggling to raise my child”. There’s a lot of judgement towards parents when they simply lack basic childcare skills.",
">\n\nHow many kindergartens do you think need workers that there is enough space for everyone who wants to be a parent to work there? How can they afford to teach every single new parent? What happens when a prospective new parent screws up and hurts someone else's kid?",
">\n\nMany kindergartens are seriously understaffed and kindergarten workers seriously overworked. The actual kindergarten staff could oversee the parents to minimise risk. You asked about the cost of training so you admit that these parents have things they need to learn about childcare. It could be on a voluntary basis and the benefit to the schools would be to have extra people around to care for the kids and meet their needs",
">\n\nKindergartens might be understaffed, but are they understaffed enough to be able to hire over 7 million total new parents per year? I doubt it.\nForced volunteer time is time that cannot be spent working. Poorer people will have a harder time being able to justify volunteering in order to have kids than richer people. This will basically put up a soft wall preventing poor people from having kids; this sounds an awful lot like eugenics.",
">\n\nKids are expensive. Poorer people do need to consider how will they afford things like medical bills, diapers and baby food before having a child. I’m not saying poorer people shouldn’t have kids, but for the welfare of the child I do think they should consider their circumstances before bringing children into them. Personally I’d never have a child unless I felt I was in a stable enough position financially to do so. Obviously that’s not true for everyone, though.\nOkay so I did some maths. The country I’m in right now recorded just under 300,000 preschools in 2021 and last year there were just over 9,500,000 new births. 9,500,000/ 300,000 = 31.666… so let’s say 32 parents per school per year. Let’s say they each spend half a year there, so 16 parents per school per term. I guess the size of the school would matter a lot too, I’m not exactly sure how many class groups the average kindergarten has. Mine has 8, so it would be 2 extra adults in the room. \n!delta though for the fact of the logistics of it. As the actual teacher in the room having to manage two whole other adult humans with no kindergarten experience would be so annoying",
">\n\nConfirmed: 1 delta awarded to /u/Hellioning (171∆).\n^Delta System Explained ^| ^Deltaboards",
">\n\nSo that would mean that essentially everyone would basically have the option of working in a kindergarten. \nHow about convicts? alcoholics?",
">\n\nAnyone who wants to drive a car should be a mechanic foe awhile first. Anyone who wants to cook should be a chef for a while. Why not, anyone who wants kids should take a parental class first.",
">\n\nSo how do you propose to make it mandatory? If someone has a kid without doing that then what? Are you going to throw them in jail?",
">\n\nThat is such a stupid thing to say. I love raising MY kid. Doesn't mean I want to be around 16 strangers' kids. I'd probably smack those little shits.",
">\n\nI don't think that's the best solution tbh. when it comes to warning people about the stress and worry of parenting, if people really know how bad It can get. they should watch season 3 episode 9 of SpongeBob squarepants. the one where Patrick and SpongeBob see their relationship and happiness rapidly deteriorate in an effort to keep a baby safe and alive. then the baby grows, and Patrick is crazy enough to want another one.",
">\n\nAny argument built around an episode of spongebob is a good argument.\nNot even being sarcastic",
">\n\nI think their parents should teach them how to parent their own kids, whether they want kids or not. No mandatory anything, parents should just talk more to their kids about parenting.",
">\n\nI have feeling that this would be harmful to the kindergartners. Imagine putting a bunch of untrained people there who have no interest or desire to be there at all. Also, these positions are government jobs, so this would cost the taxpayers a whole bunch of money.",
">\n\nWhat defines a mandatory period of time? Would the time be mandatory for all prospective parents or would the parents that opt-in be locked in for a mandatory amount of time?",
">\n\nThis is like saying anyone who wants to drive a car should learn to be a nascar driver first. Or anyone who wants to vote should pass a high school government test. Sure things would be better but unfortunately it’s super unrealistic.",
">\n\nIt should not be mandatory for anyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent because not everyone is fit to work with children. Different people have different skills and interests which may not be suited to work in a kindergarten. Additionally, not everyone may have the right qualifications or training to be able to work effectively in a kindergarten. Therefore, it is not reasonable to make it mandatory for everyone to work in a kindergarten if they want to be a parent.",
">\n\nIf someone is unfit to work with children do you think they would be fit to raise a child?",
">\n\nThe ability to raise a child does not necessarily depend on an individual's fitness to work with children. This is because fitness to work with children usually relates to an individual's ability to act in a responsible and professional manner when working in an educational or childcare setting, whereas parenting is primarily based on an individual's own personal lifestyle choices, values and beliefs. To be a competent and capable parent requires a different set of skills and knowledge that may not necessarily overlap with those required to work in a professional role with children.",
">\n\nI would say that fitness to work with children requires what you say and more, yes need to be responsible and professional, but also caring, kind and calm under pressure, all of which I would say are necessary for raising children too, except the professional part. I think childcare skills would overlap by necessity",
">\n\nWhat’s your proposed punishment if they don’t do the time?",
">\n\nThere’d be no punishment, people gonna have kids no matter what. I do still think it would benefit them to have the experience though",
">\n\nSo then it's not a mandatory period. Mandatory is only mandatory if it can be enforced, and enforcement comes with consequences for not complying.",
">\n\nBy mandatory period I meant, when they do it it’s for a minimum time period, like 6 months. Like how in some countries men are drafted into the army for a period of time.",
">\n\nWhy would I need to see what my children are like in kindergarten if I'm not the one teaching them kindergarten? I'm literally paying you to teach my children and deal with my children in kindergarten, not me.",
">\n\nThat isn't a 1:1 from the start because it's not their kid. A biological/emotional link exists between a child and their parents, and that link means you'll do more for them with less aggravation. Like, I'll wipe my son's ass and get piss all over me (potentially) to change a diaper or clean up an accident. A stranger's kid shits his pants in school, MUCH less willing to jump up and help clean it up.",
">\n\nConsidering you cant stop people from making kids and forcefully aborting them just because they dont meet requirements is not really a good thing either how would you propose this is enforced?",
">\n\nThis is one of those dime a dozen CMV posts that are entirely unenforceable.\n\nOK, so now we have a law that (for the good of the children) demands that people must work in a kindergarten for x months to be children. Now, Jack and Jill have a bit of fun in the bedroom, and boom, Jill has a bun in the oven! But Jill says \"f*** this, I don't want to work in a kindergarten, so I'm not going to!\"\nNow what?\n\nDoes the government step in and puts Jill in prison? For how long? Does she have the baby in prison?\nDoes the government financially punish Jill? That's one fantastic way of encouraging abortions then...\nDoes the government forcefully drag Jill, kicking and screaming, to the local kindergarten? What if she is a terrible carer? Do we just not care for the dozens of children in kindergarten who suddenly got a big decrease in the quality of their care?",
">\n\nWhat would the punishment be if they didn't do it?"
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I mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..
Compiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..
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[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down."
] |
>
I get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.
It’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found.."
] |
>
For real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action."
] |
>
Ilyn Payne
Cersei
Meryn Trant
The Hound
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads."
] |
>
I snorted
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound"
] |
>
I don't feel like this is oniony. It's just sad
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound",
">\n\nI snorted"
] |
>
Wait, Kentucky has had SCHOOLS this whole time????
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound",
">\n\nI snorted",
">\n\nI don't feel like this is oniony. It's just sad"
] |
>
Ah, a classic.
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound",
">\n\nI snorted",
">\n\nI don't feel like this is oniony. It's just sad",
">\n\nWait, Kentucky has had SCHOOLS this whole time????"
] |
>
And they also don’t want gun control. Go figure.
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound",
">\n\nI snorted",
">\n\nI don't feel like this is oniony. It's just sad",
">\n\nWait, Kentucky has had SCHOOLS this whole time????",
">\n\nAh, a classic."
] |
>
Can’t put him in prison yet and kids are required to go to school… figured they’d put him in like a continuation school or juvie at least
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound",
">\n\nI snorted",
">\n\nI don't feel like this is oniony. It's just sad",
">\n\nWait, Kentucky has had SCHOOLS this whole time????",
">\n\nAh, a classic.",
">\n\nAnd they also don’t want gun control. Go figure."
] |
>
Maybe it's just me but I don't think cutting a troubled kid off from society or throwing him in jail is the proper course of action.
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound",
">\n\nI snorted",
">\n\nI don't feel like this is oniony. It's just sad",
">\n\nWait, Kentucky has had SCHOOLS this whole time????",
">\n\nAh, a classic.",
">\n\nAnd they also don’t want gun control. Go figure.",
">\n\nCan’t put him in prison yet and kids are required to go to school… figured they’d put him in like a continuation school or juvie at least"
] |
>
I'm glad they were able to return to school. This happened to me twice while in high school though my list never once mentioned threats. That's why the court ruled in my favor.
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound",
">\n\nI snorted",
">\n\nI don't feel like this is oniony. It's just sad",
">\n\nWait, Kentucky has had SCHOOLS this whole time????",
">\n\nAh, a classic.",
">\n\nAnd they also don’t want gun control. Go figure.",
">\n\nCan’t put him in prison yet and kids are required to go to school… figured they’d put him in like a continuation school or juvie at least",
">\n\nMaybe it's just me but I don't think cutting a troubled kid off from society or throwing him in jail is the proper course of action."
] |
>
what in the hell?
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound",
">\n\nI snorted",
">\n\nI don't feel like this is oniony. It's just sad",
">\n\nWait, Kentucky has had SCHOOLS this whole time????",
">\n\nAh, a classic.",
">\n\nAnd they also don’t want gun control. Go figure.",
">\n\nCan’t put him in prison yet and kids are required to go to school… figured they’d put him in like a continuation school or juvie at least",
">\n\nMaybe it's just me but I don't think cutting a troubled kid off from society or throwing him in jail is the proper course of action.",
">\n\nI'm glad they were able to return to school. This happened to me twice while in high school though my list never once mentioned threats. That's why the court ruled in my favor."
] |
>
It’s Kentucky, no surprise
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound",
">\n\nI snorted",
">\n\nI don't feel like this is oniony. It's just sad",
">\n\nWait, Kentucky has had SCHOOLS this whole time????",
">\n\nAh, a classic.",
">\n\nAnd they also don’t want gun control. Go figure.",
">\n\nCan’t put him in prison yet and kids are required to go to school… figured they’d put him in like a continuation school or juvie at least",
">\n\nMaybe it's just me but I don't think cutting a troubled kid off from society or throwing him in jail is the proper course of action.",
">\n\nI'm glad they were able to return to school. This happened to me twice while in high school though my list never once mentioned threats. That's why the court ruled in my favor.",
">\n\nwhat in the hell?"
] |
>
i agree with those parents.
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound",
">\n\nI snorted",
">\n\nI don't feel like this is oniony. It's just sad",
">\n\nWait, Kentucky has had SCHOOLS this whole time????",
">\n\nAh, a classic.",
">\n\nAnd they also don’t want gun control. Go figure.",
">\n\nCan’t put him in prison yet and kids are required to go to school… figured they’d put him in like a continuation school or juvie at least",
">\n\nMaybe it's just me but I don't think cutting a troubled kid off from society or throwing him in jail is the proper course of action.",
">\n\nI'm glad they were able to return to school. This happened to me twice while in high school though my list never once mentioned threats. That's why the court ruled in my favor.",
">\n\nwhat in the hell?",
">\n\nIt’s Kentucky, no surprise"
] |
>
After he shoots up the place, School and Police officials will shrug and say, there were no warning signs.
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound",
">\n\nI snorted",
">\n\nI don't feel like this is oniony. It's just sad",
">\n\nWait, Kentucky has had SCHOOLS this whole time????",
">\n\nAh, a classic.",
">\n\nAnd they also don’t want gun control. Go figure.",
">\n\nCan’t put him in prison yet and kids are required to go to school… figured they’d put him in like a continuation school or juvie at least",
">\n\nMaybe it's just me but I don't think cutting a troubled kid off from society or throwing him in jail is the proper course of action.",
">\n\nI'm glad they were able to return to school. This happened to me twice while in high school though my list never once mentioned threats. That's why the court ruled in my favor.",
">\n\nwhat in the hell?",
">\n\nIt’s Kentucky, no surprise",
">\n\ni agree with those parents."
] |
>
Kentucky is used to being ranked near the bottom for nearly everything, they've embraced being competitively bad.
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound",
">\n\nI snorted",
">\n\nI don't feel like this is oniony. It's just sad",
">\n\nWait, Kentucky has had SCHOOLS this whole time????",
">\n\nAh, a classic.",
">\n\nAnd they also don’t want gun control. Go figure.",
">\n\nCan’t put him in prison yet and kids are required to go to school… figured they’d put him in like a continuation school or juvie at least",
">\n\nMaybe it's just me but I don't think cutting a troubled kid off from society or throwing him in jail is the proper course of action.",
">\n\nI'm glad they were able to return to school. This happened to me twice while in high school though my list never once mentioned threats. That's why the court ruled in my favor.",
">\n\nwhat in the hell?",
">\n\nIt’s Kentucky, no surprise",
">\n\ni agree with those parents.",
">\n\nAfter he shoots up the place, School and Police officials will shrug and say, there were no warning signs."
] |
>
|
[
"Only in America...",
">\n\nNope, Canada is also having issues.",
">\n\nFortunately, it's unlikely that a teenager would be able to gain access to a way of killing their peers. Everyone can rest easy.",
">\n\nSMH, imagine the lawsuits that would happen if anything were to go down.",
">\n\n\nKentucky parents concerned after teen who compiled ‘kill list’ allowed to return to school\n\nI mis-read the headline.. I initally thought it said completed..\nCompiled.. Meh... Next time, don't write the title.. Can claim anything if your list is found..",
">\n\nI get the concern but I knew one or two classmates who did that in high school. They were just being edgy shitheads and were just not have a great time at high school. They never acted out violently and luckily seems to be doing fine as adults.\nIt’s a real tough situation. Plenty of people fantasize about stuff like this but don’t act out. Assuming an investigation took place and it was established the person doesn’t have access to things like firearms and is receiving support like counseling, hard to say if expelling them is the best course of action.",
">\n\nFor real. I’d be more scared at the ones who keep the list secret in their heads.",
">\n\nIlyn Payne\nCersei\nMeryn Trant\nThe Hound",
">\n\nI snorted",
">\n\nI don't feel like this is oniony. It's just sad",
">\n\nWait, Kentucky has had SCHOOLS this whole time????",
">\n\nAh, a classic.",
">\n\nAnd they also don’t want gun control. Go figure.",
">\n\nCan’t put him in prison yet and kids are required to go to school… figured they’d put him in like a continuation school or juvie at least",
">\n\nMaybe it's just me but I don't think cutting a troubled kid off from society or throwing him in jail is the proper course of action.",
">\n\nI'm glad they were able to return to school. This happened to me twice while in high school though my list never once mentioned threats. That's why the court ruled in my favor.",
">\n\nwhat in the hell?",
">\n\nIt’s Kentucky, no surprise",
">\n\ni agree with those parents.",
">\n\nAfter he shoots up the place, School and Police officials will shrug and say, there were no warning signs.",
">\n\nKentucky is used to being ranked near the bottom for nearly everything, they've embraced being competitively bad."
] |
The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.
|
[] |
>
Someone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go."
] |
>
I support this plan.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?"
] |
>
He'll be a different person on each committee however.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan."
] |
>
Roonil Wazlib.
Snrub.
Frodo Underhill.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however."
] |
>
Exactly.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill."
] |
>
This asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly."
] |
>
Why?
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens"
] |
>
Another useful idiot.
“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?"
] |
>
*-Russia. Probably
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably"
] |
>
I know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably"
] |
>
It's absolutely a flex and a display of power.
They would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites."
] |
>
there is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube."
] |
>
Do you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller ."
] |
>
it I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this."
] |
>
This is an enormous insult to us all
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now.."
] |
>
Of course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all"
] |
>
They can't lose face now.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless."
] |
>
The House is a joke
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now."
] |
>
Well sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.
Some people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke"
] |
>
Yeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.
The GOP is a sick fucking joke.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire."
] |
>
Another day, another low. Thanks GOP.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke."
] |
>
Put him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP."
] |
>
Georgyi Santov, Russian cosmonaut?
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP.",
">\n\nPut him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony."
] |
>
If I expressed my true feelings here and now I would be permanently suspended from this subreddit, so just know from that how extremely livid I am.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP.",
">\n\nPut him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony.",
">\n\nGeorgyi Santov, Russian cosmonaut?"
] |
>
I can't figure it out, politics and whatever aside. What the fuck is wrong with his face?
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP.",
">\n\nPut him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony.",
">\n\nGeorgyi Santov, Russian cosmonaut?",
">\n\nIf I expressed my true feelings here and now I would be permanently suspended from this subreddit, so just know from that how extremely livid I am."
] |
>
Speaker of the house, speaker of the people’s will. Lmao, fucking spineless bastard.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP.",
">\n\nPut him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony.",
">\n\nGeorgyi Santov, Russian cosmonaut?",
">\n\nIf I expressed my true feelings here and now I would be permanently suspended from this subreddit, so just know from that how extremely livid I am.",
">\n\nI can't figure it out, politics and whatever aside. What the fuck is wrong with his face?"
] |
>
so at what point do demacrats vote out mccarthy ? this is clear and blatent fraud on a massive scale being coverd up by the republican party, purposily lying to the voters and allowing him on comitties, this ignores the will of the average voter.....
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP.",
">\n\nPut him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony.",
">\n\nGeorgyi Santov, Russian cosmonaut?",
">\n\nIf I expressed my true feelings here and now I would be permanently suspended from this subreddit, so just know from that how extremely livid I am.",
">\n\nI can't figure it out, politics and whatever aside. What the fuck is wrong with his face?",
">\n\nSpeaker of the house, speaker of the people’s will. Lmao, fucking spineless bastard."
] |
>
A very serious party. Doing very serious things.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP.",
">\n\nPut him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony.",
">\n\nGeorgyi Santov, Russian cosmonaut?",
">\n\nIf I expressed my true feelings here and now I would be permanently suspended from this subreddit, so just know from that how extremely livid I am.",
">\n\nI can't figure it out, politics and whatever aside. What the fuck is wrong with his face?",
">\n\nSpeaker of the house, speaker of the people’s will. Lmao, fucking spineless bastard.",
">\n\nso at what point do demacrats vote out mccarthy ? this is clear and blatent fraud on a massive scale being coverd up by the republican party, purposily lying to the voters and allowing him on comitties, this ignores the will of the average voter....."
] |
>
There seriously is no low that the GOP won't sink to. They know this guy has literally told practically every lie imaginable, and they still give him positions on committees? They might as well just drop the facade and come out right to say "As long it helps us keep power, we don't care what someone does!".
At this rate, they'll elect a cannibal pedophile and call anyone who opposes part of a 'leftist agenda' .
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP.",
">\n\nPut him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony.",
">\n\nGeorgyi Santov, Russian cosmonaut?",
">\n\nIf I expressed my true feelings here and now I would be permanently suspended from this subreddit, so just know from that how extremely livid I am.",
">\n\nI can't figure it out, politics and whatever aside. What the fuck is wrong with his face?",
">\n\nSpeaker of the house, speaker of the people’s will. Lmao, fucking spineless bastard.",
">\n\nso at what point do demacrats vote out mccarthy ? this is clear and blatent fraud on a massive scale being coverd up by the republican party, purposily lying to the voters and allowing him on comitties, this ignores the will of the average voter.....",
">\n\nA very serious party. Doing very serious things."
] |
>
He's going to fuck up. This will have the house disrupted so they can vote him out of committes. Congress will get nothing done because of these on going shenanigans. Congress is in peril ands not just Santos.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP.",
">\n\nPut him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony.",
">\n\nGeorgyi Santov, Russian cosmonaut?",
">\n\nIf I expressed my true feelings here and now I would be permanently suspended from this subreddit, so just know from that how extremely livid I am.",
">\n\nI can't figure it out, politics and whatever aside. What the fuck is wrong with his face?",
">\n\nSpeaker of the house, speaker of the people’s will. Lmao, fucking spineless bastard.",
">\n\nso at what point do demacrats vote out mccarthy ? this is clear and blatent fraud on a massive scale being coverd up by the republican party, purposily lying to the voters and allowing him on comitties, this ignores the will of the average voter.....",
">\n\nA very serious party. Doing very serious things.",
">\n\nThere seriously is no low that the GOP won't sink to. They know this guy has literally told practically every lie imaginable, and they still give him positions on committees? They might as well just drop the facade and come out right to say \"As long it helps us keep power, we don't care what someone does!\". \nAt this rate, they'll elect a cannibal pedophile and call anyone who opposes part of a 'leftist agenda' ."
] |
>
Shout out to George santos conman from Brazil made it into the congress . Living the American dream what a beautiful country we live in! GOD BLESS the USA!
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP.",
">\n\nPut him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony.",
">\n\nGeorgyi Santov, Russian cosmonaut?",
">\n\nIf I expressed my true feelings here and now I would be permanently suspended from this subreddit, so just know from that how extremely livid I am.",
">\n\nI can't figure it out, politics and whatever aside. What the fuck is wrong with his face?",
">\n\nSpeaker of the house, speaker of the people’s will. Lmao, fucking spineless bastard.",
">\n\nso at what point do demacrats vote out mccarthy ? this is clear and blatent fraud on a massive scale being coverd up by the republican party, purposily lying to the voters and allowing him on comitties, this ignores the will of the average voter.....",
">\n\nA very serious party. Doing very serious things.",
">\n\nThere seriously is no low that the GOP won't sink to. They know this guy has literally told practically every lie imaginable, and they still give him positions on committees? They might as well just drop the facade and come out right to say \"As long it helps us keep power, we don't care what someone does!\". \nAt this rate, they'll elect a cannibal pedophile and call anyone who opposes part of a 'leftist agenda' .",
">\n\nHe's going to fuck up. This will have the house disrupted so they can vote him out of committes. Congress will get nothing done because of these on going shenanigans. Congress is in peril ands not just Santos."
] |
>
I look forward to hearing what committees he claims to have been on.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP.",
">\n\nPut him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony.",
">\n\nGeorgyi Santov, Russian cosmonaut?",
">\n\nIf I expressed my true feelings here and now I would be permanently suspended from this subreddit, so just know from that how extremely livid I am.",
">\n\nI can't figure it out, politics and whatever aside. What the fuck is wrong with his face?",
">\n\nSpeaker of the house, speaker of the people’s will. Lmao, fucking spineless bastard.",
">\n\nso at what point do demacrats vote out mccarthy ? this is clear and blatent fraud on a massive scale being coverd up by the republican party, purposily lying to the voters and allowing him on comitties, this ignores the will of the average voter.....",
">\n\nA very serious party. Doing very serious things.",
">\n\nThere seriously is no low that the GOP won't sink to. They know this guy has literally told practically every lie imaginable, and they still give him positions on committees? They might as well just drop the facade and come out right to say \"As long it helps us keep power, we don't care what someone does!\". \nAt this rate, they'll elect a cannibal pedophile and call anyone who opposes part of a 'leftist agenda' .",
">\n\nHe's going to fuck up. This will have the house disrupted so they can vote him out of committes. Congress will get nothing done because of these on going shenanigans. Congress is in peril ands not just Santos.",
">\n\nShout out to George santos conman from Brazil made it into the congress . Living the American dream what a beautiful country we live in! GOD BLESS the USA!"
] |
>
This committee assignment and others further defines the craven, dasterdly McCarthy speakership.
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP.",
">\n\nPut him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony.",
">\n\nGeorgyi Santov, Russian cosmonaut?",
">\n\nIf I expressed my true feelings here and now I would be permanently suspended from this subreddit, so just know from that how extremely livid I am.",
">\n\nI can't figure it out, politics and whatever aside. What the fuck is wrong with his face?",
">\n\nSpeaker of the house, speaker of the people’s will. Lmao, fucking spineless bastard.",
">\n\nso at what point do demacrats vote out mccarthy ? this is clear and blatent fraud on a massive scale being coverd up by the republican party, purposily lying to the voters and allowing him on comitties, this ignores the will of the average voter.....",
">\n\nA very serious party. Doing very serious things.",
">\n\nThere seriously is no low that the GOP won't sink to. They know this guy has literally told practically every lie imaginable, and they still give him positions on committees? They might as well just drop the facade and come out right to say \"As long it helps us keep power, we don't care what someone does!\". \nAt this rate, they'll elect a cannibal pedophile and call anyone who opposes part of a 'leftist agenda' .",
">\n\nHe's going to fuck up. This will have the house disrupted so they can vote him out of committes. Congress will get nothing done because of these on going shenanigans. Congress is in peril ands not just Santos.",
">\n\nShout out to George santos conman from Brazil made it into the congress . Living the American dream what a beautiful country we live in! GOD BLESS the USA!",
">\n\nI look forward to hearing what committees he claims to have been on."
] |
>
Honestly. Why?
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP.",
">\n\nPut him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony.",
">\n\nGeorgyi Santov, Russian cosmonaut?",
">\n\nIf I expressed my true feelings here and now I would be permanently suspended from this subreddit, so just know from that how extremely livid I am.",
">\n\nI can't figure it out, politics and whatever aside. What the fuck is wrong with his face?",
">\n\nSpeaker of the house, speaker of the people’s will. Lmao, fucking spineless bastard.",
">\n\nso at what point do demacrats vote out mccarthy ? this is clear and blatent fraud on a massive scale being coverd up by the republican party, purposily lying to the voters and allowing him on comitties, this ignores the will of the average voter.....",
">\n\nA very serious party. Doing very serious things.",
">\n\nThere seriously is no low that the GOP won't sink to. They know this guy has literally told practically every lie imaginable, and they still give him positions on committees? They might as well just drop the facade and come out right to say \"As long it helps us keep power, we don't care what someone does!\". \nAt this rate, they'll elect a cannibal pedophile and call anyone who opposes part of a 'leftist agenda' .",
">\n\nHe's going to fuck up. This will have the house disrupted so they can vote him out of committes. Congress will get nothing done because of these on going shenanigans. Congress is in peril ands not just Santos.",
">\n\nShout out to George santos conman from Brazil made it into the congress . Living the American dream what a beautiful country we live in! GOD BLESS the USA!",
">\n\nI look forward to hearing what committees he claims to have been on.",
">\n\nThis committee assignment and others further defines the craven, dasterdly McCarthy speakership."
] |
>
|
[
"The GOP have no fucking shame. There is no bottom to how low they will go.",
">\n\nSomeone should just start cursing on the house floor when debating. And just go what? You have shame now?",
">\n\nI support this plan.",
">\n\nHe'll be a different person on each committee however.",
">\n\nRoonil Wazlib.\nSnrub.\nFrodo Underhill.",
">\n\nExactly.",
">\n\nThis asswipe lied his way to congress and is getting appointed to Committees. Showing again that the GOP has no regard for the law as it pertains to them but a conspiracy theory regarding Hunter Biden’s lap top and they are all over it. Instead of trying desperately to cause complete disruption of everything they should try and do what’s best for American citizens",
">\n\nWhy?",
">\n\nAnother useful idiot. \n“We’ll let you into our club, on the condition you vote how I say” - McCarthy. Probably",
">\n\n*-Russia. Probably",
">\n\nI know it’s dirty dealing for McCarthy’s gavel, but it feels exactly like they are insulting us by putting people on the committees where they can do the most damage. Next they will appoint Magneto to the Committee for Carbon Fiber Composites.",
">\n\nIt's absolutely a flex and a display of power.\nThey would hate Santos as much as the next person, dude is a rube.",
">\n\nthere is video of McCarthy saying he wouldn't be on any committee. SO mcCarthy is a bold face fib teller .",
">\n\nDo you have a source for that? All I could find is him saying Santos shouldn't be on IMPORTANT committees, which left the door open for crap like this.",
">\n\nit I believe on the midas touch network on youtube . Ive watched so many videos today i cant remember where it was now..",
">\n\nThis is an enormous insult to us all",
">\n\nOf course he will. This is the face of modern conservatism. Feckless, fraudulent and utterly shameless.",
">\n\nThey can't lose face now.",
">\n\nThe House is a joke",
">\n\nWell sure— he’s been on many, many committees before, and won several awards for his committee work.\nSome people consider him to have invented the modern concept of the committee. He wrote a best-selling book about it, after all. I think that’s how he became a billionaire.",
">\n\nYeah because there's no way a pathological liar with a years-long and international history of financial misdealings and fraud is ever gonna do anything bad with the kind of sensitive information you have access to when you're on a house committee.\nThe GOP is a sick fucking joke.",
">\n\nAnother day, another low. Thanks GOP.",
">\n\nPut him on the Ethics Committee. We can at least enjoy the irony.",
">\n\nGeorgyi Santov, Russian cosmonaut?",
">\n\nIf I expressed my true feelings here and now I would be permanently suspended from this subreddit, so just know from that how extremely livid I am.",
">\n\nI can't figure it out, politics and whatever aside. What the fuck is wrong with his face?",
">\n\nSpeaker of the house, speaker of the people’s will. Lmao, fucking spineless bastard.",
">\n\nso at what point do demacrats vote out mccarthy ? this is clear and blatent fraud on a massive scale being coverd up by the republican party, purposily lying to the voters and allowing him on comitties, this ignores the will of the average voter.....",
">\n\nA very serious party. Doing very serious things.",
">\n\nThere seriously is no low that the GOP won't sink to. They know this guy has literally told practically every lie imaginable, and they still give him positions on committees? They might as well just drop the facade and come out right to say \"As long it helps us keep power, we don't care what someone does!\". \nAt this rate, they'll elect a cannibal pedophile and call anyone who opposes part of a 'leftist agenda' .",
">\n\nHe's going to fuck up. This will have the house disrupted so they can vote him out of committes. Congress will get nothing done because of these on going shenanigans. Congress is in peril ands not just Santos.",
">\n\nShout out to George santos conman from Brazil made it into the congress . Living the American dream what a beautiful country we live in! GOD BLESS the USA!",
">\n\nI look forward to hearing what committees he claims to have been on.",
">\n\nThis committee assignment and others further defines the craven, dasterdly McCarthy speakership.",
">\n\nHonestly. Why?"
] |
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