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If you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list."
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Police officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023.
Official say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.
According to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene
GBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020.
there is no body cam footage of the shooting.
Terán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.
ETA: punctuation and grammar errors
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found."
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forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession
Unless new information came out, what they mean by "matched the handgun" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors"
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You're saying that "forensic ballistic analysis" is simply measuring the bullet?
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times."
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So much freedom and democracy
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?"
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Georgia isn't a big fan of those things.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy"
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yes, ive noticed that
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things."
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Not turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game.
Senior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams.
DOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that"
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They said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties."
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There were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams."
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So this is why they lied about it being a "gunfight", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet."
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13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs."
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From what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing."
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Not sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?"
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Jesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled."
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Imagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer.
But they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist."
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This very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”."
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"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper"
If true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic."
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It isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.
Like that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to "was fearing"
Or that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift
Or that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works
Not using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction."
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Not using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)
From their official statement
Bodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath.
Certainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo."
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They hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams."
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That sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat."
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Depends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times"
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We have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed."
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit."
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There is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.
If there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around….."
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There are plenty of times the correct number is zero
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting."
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There is really only a decision to start or not.
The decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.
And if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero"
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At this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously "not recorded." Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter."
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Any powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be."
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is shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?
real question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons."
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I accept your apology for assuming.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it."
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as my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming."
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You are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing."
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It would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.
A military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are."
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor."
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I think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.
It’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.
And it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.
One of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.
Like the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?"
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So people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it."
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The same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...
Without the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.
They may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people."
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How often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields."
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according to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low."
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Would that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing.
If, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️"
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There is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified."
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Ballistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back."
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That's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable."
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That “activist” shot at cops first, right?
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us."
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There's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?"
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So no body cam footage?
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance"
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?"
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He bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.
He probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any"
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I wonder how long until the "good apples" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago."
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"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as "Tortuguita," was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts."
Sounds like he fucked around, and found out.
Seriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread"
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I know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?"
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The more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here."
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Appreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe"
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Police are reviewing body camera videos,
The body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…"
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They weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than "the cops turns off their bodycams".
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do."
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\"."
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad"
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They guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10."
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They guy shot a police officer
Says the shady ass police without bodycams.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?"
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So the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams."
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"DROP THE KNIFE"
sir its a spoon
"I FEEL THREATENED"
uh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM
just another day in good old USA
another cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?"
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason."
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I must have read a different article. The one I read said:
Police officials have said Teran, who was known as "Tortuguita," was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.
If you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here"
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I mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass."
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park."
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Funny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ."
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Activist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣."
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper."
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ballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that."
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This is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet "matched" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun."
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Summary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use)."
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism."
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?"
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him"
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Lol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun.
You don’t believe the forensic science now????
Science only matter when it benefits you.
You’re all whiny morons.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?"
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Oh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons."
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons.",
">\n\nOh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!"
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This is one of those times where if the cops don’t have cameras it has to go against them.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons.",
">\n\nOh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!",
">\n\nLol but you’ll jump to conclusions at a 10 second video posted here. Ooook big brain time."
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Worst case of suicide those cops have ever seen. /S
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons.",
">\n\nOh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!",
">\n\nLol but you’ll jump to conclusions at a 10 second video posted here. Ooook big brain time.",
">\n\nThis is one of those times where if the cops don’t have cameras it has to go against them."
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons.",
">\n\nOh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!",
">\n\nLol but you’ll jump to conclusions at a 10 second video posted here. Ooook big brain time.",
">\n\nThis is one of those times where if the cops don’t have cameras it has to go against them.",
">\n\nWorst case of suicide those cops have ever seen. /S"
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So we're just ignoring how he shot at a state trooper than?
"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as "Tortuguita," was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts"
Color me surprised that shooting at cops is a one way ticket the the grave. Who would've thunk.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons.",
">\n\nOh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!",
">\n\nLol but you’ll jump to conclusions at a 10 second video posted here. Ooook big brain time.",
">\n\nThis is one of those times where if the cops don’t have cameras it has to go against them.",
">\n\nWorst case of suicide those cops have ever seen. /S",
">\n\nCops are scum and an utter embarrassment to our country, what's new?"
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I'm just here to point out that thirteen rounds is one round more than is held in a standard police sidearm. That means that either one person reloaded and fired an extra round afterwards, or more than one person fired many times. The latter is unlikely, as cops are trained these days to empty the magazine. The former implies a level of premeditated malice, because reloading is a multi-stage process that tends to disrupt emotional responses such as "self defense."
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons.",
">\n\nOh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!",
">\n\nLol but you’ll jump to conclusions at a 10 second video posted here. Ooook big brain time.",
">\n\nThis is one of those times where if the cops don’t have cameras it has to go against them.",
">\n\nWorst case of suicide those cops have ever seen. /S",
">\n\nCops are scum and an utter embarrassment to our country, what's new?",
">\n\nSo we're just ignoring how he shot at a state trooper than? \n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts\"\n\nColor me surprised that shooting at cops is a one way ticket the the grave. Who would've thunk."
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons.",
">\n\nOh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!",
">\n\nLol but you’ll jump to conclusions at a 10 second video posted here. Ooook big brain time.",
">\n\nThis is one of those times where if the cops don’t have cameras it has to go against them.",
">\n\nWorst case of suicide those cops have ever seen. /S",
">\n\nCops are scum and an utter embarrassment to our country, what's new?",
">\n\nSo we're just ignoring how he shot at a state trooper than? \n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts\"\n\nColor me surprised that shooting at cops is a one way ticket the the grave. Who would've thunk.",
">\n\nI'm just here to point out that thirteen rounds is one round more than is held in a standard police sidearm. That means that either one person reloaded and fired an extra round afterwards, or more than one person fired many times. The latter is unlikely, as cops are trained these days to empty the magazine. The former implies a level of premeditated malice, because reloading is a multi-stage process that tends to disrupt emotional responses such as \"self defense.\""
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons.",
">\n\nOh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!",
">\n\nLol but you’ll jump to conclusions at a 10 second video posted here. Ooook big brain time.",
">\n\nThis is one of those times where if the cops don’t have cameras it has to go against them.",
">\n\nWorst case of suicide those cops have ever seen. /S",
">\n\nCops are scum and an utter embarrassment to our country, what's new?",
">\n\nSo we're just ignoring how he shot at a state trooper than? \n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts\"\n\nColor me surprised that shooting at cops is a one way ticket the the grave. Who would've thunk.",
">\n\nI'm just here to point out that thirteen rounds is one round more than is held in a standard police sidearm. That means that either one person reloaded and fired an extra round afterwards, or more than one person fired many times. The latter is unlikely, as cops are trained these days to empty the magazine. The former implies a level of premeditated malice, because reloading is a multi-stage process that tends to disrupt emotional responses such as \"self defense.\"",
">\n\nCops really enjoy murdering people."
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whoa, 13 times in the privates, what a way to go.
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons.",
">\n\nOh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!",
">\n\nLol but you’ll jump to conclusions at a 10 second video posted here. Ooook big brain time.",
">\n\nThis is one of those times where if the cops don’t have cameras it has to go against them.",
">\n\nWorst case of suicide those cops have ever seen. /S",
">\n\nCops are scum and an utter embarrassment to our country, what's new?",
">\n\nSo we're just ignoring how he shot at a state trooper than? \n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts\"\n\nColor me surprised that shooting at cops is a one way ticket the the grave. Who would've thunk.",
">\n\nI'm just here to point out that thirteen rounds is one round more than is held in a standard police sidearm. That means that either one person reloaded and fired an extra round afterwards, or more than one person fired many times. The latter is unlikely, as cops are trained these days to empty the magazine. The former implies a level of premeditated malice, because reloading is a multi-stage process that tends to disrupt emotional responses such as \"self defense.\"",
">\n\nCops really enjoy murdering people.",
">\n\nShoots at police\nGets shot\nshocked pikachu face"
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons.",
">\n\nOh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!",
">\n\nLol but you’ll jump to conclusions at a 10 second video posted here. Ooook big brain time.",
">\n\nThis is one of those times where if the cops don’t have cameras it has to go against them.",
">\n\nWorst case of suicide those cops have ever seen. /S",
">\n\nCops are scum and an utter embarrassment to our country, what's new?",
">\n\nSo we're just ignoring how he shot at a state trooper than? \n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts\"\n\nColor me surprised that shooting at cops is a one way ticket the the grave. Who would've thunk.",
">\n\nI'm just here to point out that thirteen rounds is one round more than is held in a standard police sidearm. That means that either one person reloaded and fired an extra round afterwards, or more than one person fired many times. The latter is unlikely, as cops are trained these days to empty the magazine. The former implies a level of premeditated malice, because reloading is a multi-stage process that tends to disrupt emotional responses such as \"self defense.\"",
">\n\nCops really enjoy murdering people.",
">\n\nShoots at police\nGets shot\nshocked pikachu face",
">\n\nwhoa, 13 times in the privates, what a way to go."
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This post is actually about a horrendous murder of an environmentalist, not your traffic ticket, altho we can all agree that cops are crooked…but hey? The big picture, anyone?
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons.",
">\n\nOh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!",
">\n\nLol but you’ll jump to conclusions at a 10 second video posted here. Ooook big brain time.",
">\n\nThis is one of those times where if the cops don’t have cameras it has to go against them.",
">\n\nWorst case of suicide those cops have ever seen. /S",
">\n\nCops are scum and an utter embarrassment to our country, what's new?",
">\n\nSo we're just ignoring how he shot at a state trooper than? \n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts\"\n\nColor me surprised that shooting at cops is a one way ticket the the grave. Who would've thunk.",
">\n\nI'm just here to point out that thirteen rounds is one round more than is held in a standard police sidearm. That means that either one person reloaded and fired an extra round afterwards, or more than one person fired many times. The latter is unlikely, as cops are trained these days to empty the magazine. The former implies a level of premeditated malice, because reloading is a multi-stage process that tends to disrupt emotional responses such as \"self defense.\"",
">\n\nCops really enjoy murdering people.",
">\n\nShoots at police\nGets shot\nshocked pikachu face",
">\n\nwhoa, 13 times in the privates, what a way to go.",
">\n\nWe are all each other, you are limited to this single time line of humans, get it right."
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We all know how dangerous these hippy activists are and she was countering a pro-cop narrative so surely deserved at least 12 of the 13 bullets . . . /s
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons.",
">\n\nOh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!",
">\n\nLol but you’ll jump to conclusions at a 10 second video posted here. Ooook big brain time.",
">\n\nThis is one of those times where if the cops don’t have cameras it has to go against them.",
">\n\nWorst case of suicide those cops have ever seen. /S",
">\n\nCops are scum and an utter embarrassment to our country, what's new?",
">\n\nSo we're just ignoring how he shot at a state trooper than? \n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts\"\n\nColor me surprised that shooting at cops is a one way ticket the the grave. Who would've thunk.",
">\n\nI'm just here to point out that thirteen rounds is one round more than is held in a standard police sidearm. That means that either one person reloaded and fired an extra round afterwards, or more than one person fired many times. The latter is unlikely, as cops are trained these days to empty the magazine. The former implies a level of premeditated malice, because reloading is a multi-stage process that tends to disrupt emotional responses such as \"self defense.\"",
">\n\nCops really enjoy murdering people.",
">\n\nShoots at police\nGets shot\nshocked pikachu face",
">\n\nwhoa, 13 times in the privates, what a way to go.",
">\n\nWe are all each other, you are limited to this single time line of humans, get it right.",
">\n\nThis post is actually about a horrendous murder of an environmentalist, not your traffic ticket, altho we can all agree that cops are crooked…but hey? The big picture, anyone?"
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"On Wednesday, Jan. 25, the Georgia Bureau of Investigation announced that a special prosecutor will be assigned to review the case, but critics are calling for an independent investigation. \n\nCops lie so I agree with the critics.",
">\n\nCops are some of the least trustworthy people in the country. I wouldn't believe a word they say, especially when it comes to police shootings. They'll lie right to your face even when there's clear video evidence that they are lying. They know you know they are lying and still don't care.",
">\n\nI took a traffic ticket to court and watched the cop tell three lies to the judge. Over a traffic ticket. So just imagine when it comes to assaults and murders.",
">\n\nIt wasn’t really about the ticket, it was about his ego and “authority”.",
">\n\nThese mofo's tried to give me a ticket for speeding in a school zone on the I-5 highway.",
">\n\n55 in a 54",
">\n\nFailure to signal a lane change. On a one-way, one lane road… This actually happened to me, I went before the judge, and the judge backed the officer. I’ve always thought this was an hilarious example.",
">\n\nso... which lane did you change from and into if its a single lane one-way road?",
">\n\nThe funny thing is, I was actually following the officer. He pretty much ran a stop sign to merge onto the one-way street. And there was also a cop behind me. So the cop in front of me turned his lights on and I really didn’t know what was going on, but he’s the one that got me I don’t even know what to say.",
">\n\nGot pulled over by a cop I recognized as a drop out in HS... he asked me for my license I asked him for his HS diploma... NOT the smartest thing I said. Not sure why I said it but I told him I was joking. He told me he went into the military and I asked when he went AWOL... good times... PS I got a ticket and fought it in court and he didn't show!!!! I want SOOOO bad to have put in court record that the cop did not graduate HS and I question his ability to read the speedometer.",
">\n\nI wonder how bad it'll be in 20 years.",
">\n\nWell we got three main options\n1.) the GOP gets full control and the police go on to be the arm of an authoritarian regime\n2.) conservative dems remain in power and the problem slowly gets worse over time… let’s be optimistic and say that the Supreme Court hasn’t eliminated due process in this timeline\n3.) we pull a competent, progressive miracle out of thin air (and also discover unicorns)",
">\n\n2020 showed 3 would never happen. Burnie and other actually progressive candidates were gaining traction and the Democratic Party was quick to fall in line behind \"more of the same\" Biden.\nAlso we have unicorns, they are just fat and gray and we call them \"Rhinos\".",
">\n\nIf Bernie can only get 35-40% of the vote in a one on one and broke 50% once (Vermont)...how strong truely are progressives",
">\n\nyes, this is the point they were making. Progressives can't get ahead because dems fall in line behind the party.\nIIRC, Bernie was the front runner until the rest of them dropped from the primary and endorsed Biden.",
">\n\nSo Sanders was taking advantage of a fractured field and when the moderates and establishment wised up and consolidated (which is smart politics), he got wrecked. Seriously, if Sanders couldn't get close to Biden one one one, he didn't deserve the nomination.",
">\n\noh, i see, you have no intent to argue in good faith.\nhave a nice day then.\nit seems your point was actually 'bernie couldn't beat the establishment', which is sadly true. but the way you framed it made it seem like he was unfavorable, when it was the opposite.\nimagine how different things would have gone if those endorsements went to him instead of biden. the game was rigged.",
">\n\nThat's literally politics. It's not arguing in bad faith either. Bernie couldn't beat Biden 1 on 1 showing that voters follow more moderate thinking.",
">\n\nBernie is the more moderate candidate though, at least when compared to the world.",
">\n\nHe wasn't running in the rest of the world now was he?",
">\n\nThe United States is now at the point where we are openly executing climate activists and labeling the ones who live as domestic terrorists for committing the unspeakable crime of wanting to have a planet to live on.",
">\n\nLet me guess you're one of those lying cops that can't get away with shit as easily now, huh? So you defend a bunch of overpaid scared pieces of shit every chance you get, huh?",
">\n\nWhat would make me think that? The fact that murdering cops are actually being punished now?\nYou simply ignoring that fact because it doesn't fit your narrative isn't my problem.\nI don't defend murdering cops, I defend cops that shoot someone whose shooting at them.\nJust like I'd defend you if you happen to shoot a guy whose shooting at you.",
">\n\nWhat facts? You presented none. \nNO ONE WAS SHOOTING AT THEM. UNTIL PROOF COMES OUT OTHERWISE SHUT THE FUCK UP.\nStop defending cops when you literally have no idea what's going on.\nI wouldn't want your dumb ass defending me, that's only going to make matters worse. It's people like you that are going to trigger the inevitable\nCop bounties we will start seeing. The blind faith in a racists institution is not a good look, piggy",
">\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\nIf you don't believe that simply because this is a case of cops shooting someone... and you hate cops... then you're a conspiracist who would have to believe that a cop grabbed the guy's gun... shot another cop with it... and planted the gun back on the guy who owned the gun... all for the purpose of being able to shoot the guy afterward!! \nIs that what you think happened? Are you a mentally deficient conspiracist who makes illogical shit up in their mind simply because you hate cops?",
">\n\n\nThere is a police officer that was shot and the gun that did it was registered to the criminal. That is a fact!!\n\nIt's not a fact. It's a claim made by the police. Don't use the word if you don't understand what it means",
">\n\nThe shooting wasn't caught on body cam..how the fuck is that possible",
">\n\nThey say that the guy shot first and the killing was justified. \nFor some reason, I don't believe that.\nMaybe it's all the times I've seen cops make this claim only to be proven wrong with video evidence.",
">\n\nIf he shot first, they should be able to find his bullets and make some ballistics evidence?",
">\n\nThe bullet was in the cops body, and the gun used was already confirmed to have been bought by the activist. \nSorry, even if your family insists you are a ‘pacifist’, getting shot by the police is justified if you try and kill them",
">\n\nThe problem is, it's the police saying the activist shot first, with the other activists saying that's not true. And from what I understand none of the cops had their body cameras turned on, which is a huge red flag.",
">\n\nEqually it's unsurprising the anti-police protesters say the police are at fault.",
">\n\nBut then why did the cops not have their body cameras on? Again, cops are known for lying ALOT, while the activists, which are environmental activists, have no motive to lie since they aren’t going to jail for murder. \nSo who has the more motive to lie? The cops who fucked up or the mostly unarmed protesters?",
">\n\nIt's not that the cameras were not turned on. They did not have cameras at all; the whole agency does not have cameras yet and is in the process of procuring them.\nThe body camera footage being reviewed is from officers from other agencies who were in the area but not involved in the raid.",
">\n\nThere's zero excuse for Atlanta cops to not have cameras in this day and age.",
">\n\nThese weren't \"atlanta cops\", they were state troopers. Different organization.",
">\n\nNo, you're assuming they were state troopers. \nThe officer who was shot was a state trooper, that doesn't mean the other officers who shot the protestor were also state troopers. It was a multi-agency operation that resulted in this situation, and the Atlanta police was one of those agencies.\nNot that this changes anything regarding my point. The state of Georgia has zero excuse to not have bodycams for all their officers.",
">\n\nFor the sake of accuracy, can we just start calling it Murderer City?",
">\n\nThere is a massive difference between environmental protestors and white supremacists shooting at power substations.",
">\n\nDepends on whether this “protester” shot at the cops first. If he did then he’s no different. Just on a different team.",
">\n\nIt's weird reading this, though I know it's a common shortcut of moral judgement. What a crappy way to live life and view the world, you can easily lump... Let's say.... Environmental activists blowing up a logging truck in the Amazon with Nazis in WW2, into the same camp. Sure, it's a bit of an extreme example but that's the slippery slope this mentality creates.",
">\n\nI think murder or attempted murder has to be a fairly solid line. There may be instances of murder where actions are justified but environmental activism is not one",
">\n\nCop City isn't even built yet and it's already transforming the police into a more aggressive militant force.",
">\n\nHe was HIT 13 times. The number of shots fired at him was probably triple that or more.",
">\n\nThe police are not your friends. They are not here to serve or protect you. They exist solely to preserve the interests of the rich and powerful and to keep the rest of us in line, violently if need be. They are the lowest of the low.",
">\n\nPolice are an occupying army.",
">\n\nThey really are. Pretty sure no quartering of troops is in the bill of rights, not that people's rights matter anymore really.\nRedcoats acted just like modern police do today. Murders/assaults of colonists with little recourse to the British legal system.",
">\n\nHAH.\nMate, go look up what the Redcoats did in the Boer Wars, or the Mau-Mau Uprising, or the Sepoy Mutiny. The American Revolution was handled with kid gloves.",
">\n\nOk genuine question, have police shootings/brutality become more prevalent or are we just reporting on them more now since George Floyd ?",
">\n\nWhy not both? Republicans have shown open support for fascism and everyone is getting easier access to cameras.",
">\n\nWhat is fascism and how is a certain group showing support for it?",
">\n\nFascism is an idiology of false nostalgia, radical ultra-nationalism, and generally, a seeking to purify and refine a centralized in group to be more and more homogeneous, while discarding or destroying the newer and newer layers of out group.\nAllowing radical, violent ultra-nationalists to continue to proliferate, and inciting and riling them into action to become your base qualifies as supporting them.\nSee also: \"Mexico isn't sending us it's best, it's sending us rapists and thieves.\" To justify racial purity in the USA (because border concerns at the Mexican boarder were never a jobs issue, that was just a convinient euphemism, and saying otherwise is either foolish or dishonest).\nSee also: Take back the stolen vote.\nFor more information, I highly recommend taking a critical look at the policies and politics underlying the republican party in the years since Barack Obama took office. Things degrade and shift rapidly towards an attitude that Southpark described well with it's parody, \"Fuck them all to death.\"\nDon't get me wrong, neither party has the interests of the poor common person at heart nearly so much as they should, but one has been undermining the fundamental rules of society to undo a hundred years of civil rights battles, and it shows.",
">\n\nHaving an interaction with police? Record, to the cloud, every damn time. This is the only way we will expose the corruption and defeat our lazy leaders that don't want to deal with this.",
">\n\nI can't tell you how many times cops has said their actions were due to someone being hostile towards them or resisting arrest, only for body cam or security cam footage to show the exact opposite.",
">\n\n\"We can't release any videos to protect the integrity of the investigation.\" 🙄",
">\n\nAt some point we need to acknowledge this is a paramilitary camp outside the scope of true law.",
">\n\nOutside the scope of true law? I think you'll find it's very rare that cops are treated as outside the law. The laws just aren't here to protect you and I.",
">\n\nHuh?\nCops get privileged treatment all the time. What are you saying?",
">\n\nThat's the point that I'm making. Many atrocities committed by cops are completely legal because the law is designed to favour them.",
">\n\nThe Holocaust was legal under German law. The Gulags were legal under Soviet law. The Residential Schools were legal under Canadian law.\nTurns out all it takes to do genocide is make it legal under the law for an appointed few (Gestapo, NKVD, etc.) to do said genocide. They get a free hand, the average citizen says \"that's not right\" but doesn't do anything because then they would be the victims too, and a few million die and it becomes another tragedy on the list.",
">\n\nIf you haven't yet, listen to the KnockLA podcast series on the LA Sheriff's Department gang problem. Pretty much every murder they commit has them saying there was a gun drawn which happens to never be found.",
">\n\nPolice officers shot and killed Manuel Esteban Paez Terán on January 18, 2023. \nOfficial say the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \nAccording to police accounts of the incident, Georgia troopers commenced the raid on the Stop Cop City encampment at about 9:00 a.m. the troopers encountered a tent and gave verbal commands for a person inside to exit; Terán did not comply and fired first without warning. A bullet struck a state patrol trooper in the pelvic area of the body. At around 9:04 a.m., State Patrol troopers returned fire, killing Terán at the scene\nGBI) forensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession. The recovered handgun, a Smith & Wesson M&P Shield 9mm semi-automatic pistol, was determined to have been purchased legally by Terán in September 2020. \nthere is no body cam footage of the shooting.\nTerán was considered one of the only Black or Brown persons who participated in the Stop Cop City protest, and their killing raised further questions of racism in law enforcement conduct. Activists who were present during the raid disputed the police description of the event. Other protesters and Terán's family dispute that Terán fired a gun.\nETA: punctuation and grammar errors",
">\n\n\nforensic ballistic analysis determined that the projectile recovered from the officer's wound matched the handgun found in Terán's possession\n\nUnless new information came out, what they mean by \"matched the handgun\" is that the bullet recovered is a 9mm, and the gun the kid had was a 9mm. Only problem is that all of the guns the cops had were all 9mm, as well, and we know they fired dozens of times.",
">\n\nYou're saying that \"forensic ballistic analysis\" is simply measuring the bullet?",
">\n\nSo much freedom and democracy",
">\n\nGeorgia isn't a big fan of those things.",
">\n\nyes, ive noticed that",
">\n\nNot turning on body cams is a signal red flag that cowardly cops were bent on bagging human game. \nSenior officers guilty of falsifying if not directly misleading subordinates to not turn on bodycams. \nDOJ investigation mandatory for all cop travesties.",
">\n\nThey said the shooting wasn't recorded on body cams but it will take 60-90 days to review the body cams.",
">\n\nThere were assisting agencies on the perimeter that responded immediately after the shooting. The footage on their BWC can be reviewed and holds evidentiary/investigatory value. GSP, the agency that actually was involved in the shooting, does not issue Troopers BWC. That has been planned but not implemented yet.",
">\n\nSo this is why they lied about it being a \"gunfight\", because they lit him up like the 4th of July. Fucking sick pigs.",
">\n\n13 shots spread out over several cops is like nothing.",
">\n\nFrom what I understand, those are the 13 rounds that got the deceased. How many rounds missed?",
">\n\nNot sure. Also, I'm not sure how many police were shooting. Or if the guy fired more than once at the cops. Based on the current story it sounds like the dude was in a tent, was asked to come out, shot and hit a cop in the pelvis and then the cops fired into the tent where the guy was. I don't know what you want the cops to do differently in that situation. Do you want them to stick their heads into the tent of the guy who just shot one of them? I don't like police, but I value the truth and taking a pragmatic approach to how things are handled.",
">\n\nJesus fucking christ. Can we start doing something about the Gangland police in this country? This is worse than actual street gangs and terrorist.",
">\n\nImagine needing to use your CCW to protect yourself from a cop only then to be arrested for murder of a police officer. \nBut they can execute us Mexican cartel style then go have a beer after work with their “squad”.",
">\n\nThis very case should be the main reason (you know, besides all the other reasons) why a cop city can’t be allowed to happen. Pigs can’t even do the bare minimum and is LITERALLY killing people, this has to end. Peacefully tho, might be looking more and more unrealistic.",
">\n\n\"after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper\"\nIf true, this doesn't seem like an overreaction.",
">\n\nIt isn't. They claim it, but it would not be the first (or tenth) time police fuck up and wound themselves or each-other, or even do so delibierately to make a kill look more authentic. It's at least as likely that if the victim even DID have a gun on location, they got excited and played with it after they found it on his body.\n\n\nLike that time a cop got too excited and shot himself in the foot on seeing a dog he was going to \"was fearing\"\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in the stomach with his own gun while on a lift\n\n\nOr that time a cop shot himself in a classroom full of children while showing them how it works\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage) for the arrest tells us they had no intention of allowing the truth out from the getgo.",
">\n\n\nNot using bodycams (itself a somewhat contradictory statement by the cops as they ALSO claim they're reviewing bodycam footage)\n\nFrom their official statement\n\nBodycam questions – The Task Force consisted of several agencies. The officers who were near the incident at the time of shooting were not wearing body worn cameras. Although the shooting is not captured on bodycam, there is bodycam footage of the aftermath. \n\nCertainly would be a good idea for all cops to wear bodycams.",
">\n\nThey hit him 13 times, which means they probably fired dozens and dozens of shots at him. These pigs are trained on Call of Duty and love to unload whole clips at the drop of a hat.",
">\n\nThat sounds a lot less like 1 guy unloading a whole clip and more like 4 guys all shooting 3 times",
">\n\nDepends how accurate you think they are. Unfortunately we'll never know because, somehow, there were no bodycams where they were most needed.",
">\n\nWe have to hold all law enforcement accountable for this shit.",
">\n\nguy allegedly shot a state trooper, fuck around…..",
">\n\nThere is no correct number of times for a cop to shoot someone. There is really only a decision to start or not.\nIf there are multiple cops then the numbers are going to sound high but 13 can be less than a second of actual shooting if there are 3-4 people shooting.",
">\n\nThere are plenty of times the correct number is zero",
">\n\n\nThere is really only a decision to start or not.\n\nThe decision is what matters. A bad decision even if every bullet misses is a bad decision.\nAnd if it was a correct decision, the number really doesn't matter.",
">\n\nAt this point whatever the police say happened I'm going to assume is completely false and that the truth is 1000x worse *especially* when we have another execution by cop that was mysteriously \"not recorded.\" Unless proven otherwise I'm going on the assumption that they slaughtered a climate activist & they really don't want us to know the details because they fear what our reaction will be.",
">\n\nAny powder residue on his hands? Edit: people down voting a question that would prove police are lying is fucking insane and yall might be morons.",
">\n\nis shooting a gun in the past 24-48 hours cause for the police to kill you?\nreal question is, who's bullet ended up in that cop? or are they trying to say him not cleaning his gun after using it means he must have been shooting at police... cause i dont believe what they say when they cant prove it.",
">\n\nI accept your apology for assuming.",
">\n\nas my comment points out, gun powder residue doesnt mean he was shooting at the police. your edit means nothing.",
">\n\nYou are assuming my intention, even when told by me that's not my intention... the briefest look at my history shows years of questioning corrupt police... what a little cunt you are.",
">\n\nIt would be nice if cops city was described for what it is.\nA military base built on stolen land once used to enslave black people and steal their labor.",
">\n\nDo you have any idea how little that narrows it down?",
">\n\nI think a more precise description of what they’re actually building is important.\nIt’s a military base to be able to train controlling cities and killing its residents efficiently.\nAnd it’s being built not only on land stolen from natives but on a prison farm used to enforce Jim Crow.\nOne of the jokes of this cop military base is they claim it’s going to be used to train for civil rights enforcement.\nLike the civil rights enforcement that put poor black peoples on the prison farm that preceded it.",
">\n\nSo people are mad you can’t shoot a cop without getting killed now? I’m all for police reform, but if you try to murder an officer, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people.",
">\n\nThe same could be said in reverse? If you try to murder an innocent, expect to die, and expect no sympathy from normal people just because you were a cop. Odd how instead somehow they're always heroes even when they do that...\nWithout the bodycams, which they are supposed to have on, we don't know who started shooting first, but we can make a very educated guess given how often police shoot the unarmed or already-pinned-down.\nThey may well have begun, leaving a guy in a tree no other chance at survival than maybe having them back off since they tend NOT TO ENTER THE AREA when they know the prey can fight back. Even if they have rifles and ballistic shields.",
">\n\nHow often is it that police shoot unarmed people for no reason? You seem to think the rate is quite high. I believe it's actually vanishingly low.",
">\n\naccording to npr over 135 times between 2015 and 2021 🤷♀️",
">\n\nWould that perhaps be the same study which showed that being unarmed is not the same as not being aggressive or actively fleeing. \nIf, by using Graham v Connor or Tennnesee v Garner, they are within the law, then they are justified.",
">\n\nThere is ballistic evidence that the activist shot at the Troopers, so ya, they shot back.",
">\n\nBallistic evidence is a made up field and is not remotely reliable.",
">\n\nThat's not what the article states at all. It clearly states there are limitations on what the science can currently tell us.",
">\n\nThat “activist” shot at cops first, right?",
">\n\nThere's no evidence for that but a cop statement, so no, not a chance",
">\n\nSo no body cam footage?",
">\n\nThe cops claim they didn't have any",
">\n\nHe bought the gun and then he shot a cop who was just doing his job. Cya later.\nHe probably bought the gun and shot the cop because he was indoctrinated into the same cop-hating craze that the people here are.\nOP started posting aka karma farming 15 hours ago.",
">\n\nI wonder how long until the \"good apples\" over at r/protectandserve brigade the shit out of this thread",
">\n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts.\"\nSounds like he fucked around, and found out.\nSeriously, what do people expect by shooting at police - A dozen roses? Was he seeking to be a martyr? What's happened to common sense?",
">\n\nI know right? I feel like shooting at cops is a rather bad life decision. I’m not sure what everyone was expecting to happen here.",
">\n\nThe more I hear, the more I belief police should be be abolished and majorly reformed. This is approaching irreparable\nEdit: believe",
">\n\nAppreciate you saying “reform”. Whoever coined “defund” turned a great opportunity into a real setback…",
">\n\n\nPolice are reviewing body camera videos, \n\nThe body cameras were turned off so I don't know what good that's gonna do.",
">\n\nThey weren't turned off; GSP is not issued BWC in the first place. This is distinctly different than \"the cops turns off their bodycams\".",
">\n\nOh my bad",
">\n\nFascist pigs murder people, story at 10.",
">\n\nThey guy shot a police officer, what does that make him?",
">\n\n\nThey guy shot a police officer\n\nSays the shady ass police without bodycams.",
">\n\nSo the injured officer who got shot, did it himself?",
">\n\n\"DROP THE KNIFE\"\nsir its a spoon\n\"I FEEL THREATENED\"\nuh, your in MY house, im eating breakfas.. BLAM BLAM BLAM\njust another day in good old USA\nanother cop murders someone in cold blood for no reason.",
">\n\nHe also shot at cops. No sympathy here",
">\n\nI must have read a different article. The one I read said:\n\nPolice officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts. \n\nIf you shoot a police officer they WILL poor buckets of bullets into your ass.",
">\n\nI mean, they can “say” a lot of things. Like how some cop said they were afraid of a kid with a toy in a park.",
">\n\nSurely. \nBullet wounds may beg to differ.",
">\n\nFunny how twisted the truth in this story actually is.😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣.",
">\n\nActivist? You mean criminal that shot and injured a state trooper.",
">\n\nThere’s no evidence of that.",
">\n\nballistics reports showed that the gun recovered next to the protestor fired the round which hit the officer. investigators also found records showing the protestor did in fact purchase that gun.",
">\n\nThis is manipulation of the reported facts. The bullet \"matched\" the deceased's gun, but no information has been released indicating how it matched. It could have merely matched the caliber (which happens to be the same as most LEO use).",
">\n\nSummary Street Executions are becoming the new normal with the advent of old fascism.",
">\n\nWhat happened to lowest nessesary force?",
">\n\nThe guy shot a police officer before the police shot him",
">\n\nWhere's the body cam footage?",
">\n\nLol I like how this is the new mental gymnastics. Cop gets shot bullet matches suspects gun. \nYou don’t believe the forensic science now????\nScience only matter when it benefits you. \nYou’re all whiny morons.",
">\n\nOh no. I don't take cops word for things and demand evidence after years of lies and cover ups. God forbid I not trust them! u/krakenking94 might piss his pants at the thought!",
">\n\nLol but you’ll jump to conclusions at a 10 second video posted here. Ooook big brain time.",
">\n\nThis is one of those times where if the cops don’t have cameras it has to go against them.",
">\n\nWorst case of suicide those cops have ever seen. /S",
">\n\nCops are scum and an utter embarrassment to our country, what's new?",
">\n\nSo we're just ignoring how he shot at a state trooper than? \n\n\"Police officials have said Teran, who was known as \"Tortuguita,\" was killed on Jan. 18 after the activist shot and wounded a state trooper during an operation to clear protesters near the training facility in Atlanta's forested outskirts\"\n\nColor me surprised that shooting at cops is a one way ticket the the grave. Who would've thunk.",
">\n\nI'm just here to point out that thirteen rounds is one round more than is held in a standard police sidearm. That means that either one person reloaded and fired an extra round afterwards, or more than one person fired many times. The latter is unlikely, as cops are trained these days to empty the magazine. The former implies a level of premeditated malice, because reloading is a multi-stage process that tends to disrupt emotional responses such as \"self defense.\"",
">\n\nCops really enjoy murdering people.",
">\n\nShoots at police\nGets shot\nshocked pikachu face",
">\n\nwhoa, 13 times in the privates, what a way to go.",
">\n\nWe are all each other, you are limited to this single time line of humans, get it right.",
">\n\nThis post is actually about a horrendous murder of an environmentalist, not your traffic ticket, altho we can all agree that cops are crooked…but hey? The big picture, anyone?",
">\n\nWe all know how dangerous these hippy activists are and she was countering a pro-cop narrative so surely deserved at least 12 of the 13 bullets . . . /s"
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in Mother Russia, statistical data reacts to the government
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Cue Monty Python's.....
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When life seems bloody rotten, there’s something you’ve forgotten!!
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"in Mother Russia, statistical data reacts to the government",
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The Bank: We are running special competition! If we draw your name out of hat, you win Grand Prize!! 'Grand Prize' is letting you access your money.
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"in Mother Russia, statistical data reacts to the government",
">\n\nCue Monty Python's..... \n \"Always look at the bright side of life\"",
">\n\nWhen life seems bloody rotten, there’s something you’ve forgotten!!"
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Once the bots start pushing a Putin nft I'll be signing off
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"in Mother Russia, statistical data reacts to the government",
">\n\nCue Monty Python's..... \n \"Always look at the bright side of life\"",
">\n\nWhen life seems bloody rotten, there’s something you’ve forgotten!!",
">\n\nThe Bank: We are running special competition! If we draw your name out of hat, you win Grand Prize!! 'Grand Prize' is letting you access your money."
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Upbeat eh…ok todays news: 1,000 Russian troops were killed in just 24 hours! Hooray! And Putin might be dying of cancer so soon this war might be over! Hooray! Also… more and more Russian citizens are learning about the true mission in Ukraine, I.e. to destroy the entire country and are opposed. Hooray! Russian economy is tanking bc of sanctions! Hooray!
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"in Mother Russia, statistical data reacts to the government",
">\n\nCue Monty Python's..... \n \"Always look at the bright side of life\"",
">\n\nWhen life seems bloody rotten, there’s something you’ve forgotten!!",
">\n\nThe Bank: We are running special competition! If we draw your name out of hat, you win Grand Prize!! 'Grand Prize' is letting you access your money.",
">\n\nOnce the bots start pushing a Putin nft I'll be signing off"
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"in Mother Russia, statistical data reacts to the government",
">\n\nCue Monty Python's..... \n \"Always look at the bright side of life\"",
">\n\nWhen life seems bloody rotten, there’s something you’ve forgotten!!",
">\n\nThe Bank: We are running special competition! If we draw your name out of hat, you win Grand Prize!! 'Grand Prize' is letting you access your money.",
">\n\nOnce the bots start pushing a Putin nft I'll be signing off",
">\n\nUpbeat eh…ok todays news: 1,000 Russian troops were killed in just 24 hours! Hooray! And Putin might be dying of cancer so soon this war might be over! Hooray! Also… more and more Russian citizens are learning about the true mission in Ukraine, I.e. to destroy the entire country and are opposed. Hooray! Russian economy is tanking bc of sanctions! Hooray!"
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"In a separate 911 call, the man, who has been identified only as Ramiro, tells an operator that he had been stabbed in the heart by someone without feet."
I'm sorry for the family of Anthony Lowe. But he presented a threat of great physical violence if he wasn't stopped.
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Anyone can be a threat to the untrained public. This is why we are supposed to have the police.
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"\"In a separate 911 call, the man, who has been identified only as Ramiro, tells an operator that he had been stabbed in the heart by someone without feet.\"\nI'm sorry for the family of Anthony Lowe. But he presented a threat of great physical violence if he wasn't stopped."
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