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Hey boys, I'm here to make sure you know how, to use our weapons, the only way to destroy the bad guys are good guys with good weapons.
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"Hey boys, I'm here to make sure you know how, to use our weapons, the only way to destroy the bad guys are good guys with good weapons."
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While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.
Along with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.
It's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these "licenses".
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Tips are horrible just pay people
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"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\"."
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I make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip "promotion" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are.
Would you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.
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"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people"
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I think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.
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"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple."
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Lol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut.
The non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.
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"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities."
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So what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.
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"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model."
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Unionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.
Even in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.
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"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying."
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They need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.
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"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least."
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Companies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.
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"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby."
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There's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, "Sweet! Fuck them customers." Now all companies are soul crushing machines.
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"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had."
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Which court case are you referencing? Would like to read more
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"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines."
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Thanks, I’ll read through this!
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"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more"
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The company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.
The federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.
For years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.
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"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!"
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This enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.
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"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers."
] |
>
Why is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs."
] |
>
That's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.
Lately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...
Of course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments."
] |
>
Meanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over..."
] |
>
In both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist."
] |
>
This is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them."
] |
>
This is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.
We're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources.
It's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps.
Absolute abomination of a system.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing."
] |
>
Sure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system."
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>
Got to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad..."
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I’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA
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[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers."
] |
>
A $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA"
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Seriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago."
] |
>
Its that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of.."
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Ask your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum."
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A lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours."
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Man, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way"
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Is there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.
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[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol."
] |
>
Super fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there."
] |
>
Reminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications."
] |
>
Fuck these national associations.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down."
] |
>
I mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations."
] |
>
Any reputable employer pays for those classes. I pay for people to take those. I pay fair and honest wages and let everyone know what everybody makes and why. I hate the operators who behave this way because it stains the entire industry.
The funds collected by the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation are used to fund the operations of the NRAEF. It's only 2% of the NRA's revenue. The industry bought an educational company because the standards of localities vary widely in breadth and enforcement and we want higher standards for our food safety.
In many areas these funds are collected by the local health department who require restaurant workers to take the same classes from them rather than ServSafe.
Full disclosure: I am a member of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation and a ServSafe Educator. That is why I know how this works and that is why I know how the money is collected and that's why I know where the money goes.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations.",
">\n\nI mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training."
] |
>
Tips are horrible just pay people
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations.",
">\n\nI mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training.",
">\n\n\n\nAny reputable employer pays for those classes. I pay for people to take those. I pay fair and honest wages and let everyone know what everybody makes and why. I hate the operators who behave this way because it stains the entire industry. \n\n\nThe funds collected by the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation are used to fund the operations of the NRAEF. It's only 2% of the NRA's revenue. The industry bought an educational company because the standards of localities vary widely in breadth and enforcement and we want higher standards for our food safety. \n\n\nIn many areas these funds are collected by the local health department who require restaurant workers to take the same classes from them rather than ServSafe.\n\n\nFull disclosure: I am a member of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation and a ServSafe Educator. That is why I know how this works and that is why I know how the money is collected and that's why I know where the money goes."
] |
>
Had a friend that could make his 1300 rent in like a day as a server lol
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations.",
">\n\nI mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training.",
">\n\n\n\nAny reputable employer pays for those classes. I pay for people to take those. I pay fair and honest wages and let everyone know what everybody makes and why. I hate the operators who behave this way because it stains the entire industry. \n\n\nThe funds collected by the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation are used to fund the operations of the NRAEF. It's only 2% of the NRA's revenue. The industry bought an educational company because the standards of localities vary widely in breadth and enforcement and we want higher standards for our food safety. \n\n\nIn many areas these funds are collected by the local health department who require restaurant workers to take the same classes from them rather than ServSafe.\n\n\nFull disclosure: I am a member of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation and a ServSafe Educator. That is why I know how this works and that is why I know how the money is collected and that's why I know where the money goes.",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people"
] |
>
While this is undoubtedly shitty, don't discount the fact that there are a significant subset of waiters/waitresses who also actively fight changing their pay for the better. There's some serious misinformation floated around about how pay raises would lower their income since people wouldn't tip as much or at all. It's really screwed up.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations.",
">\n\nI mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training.",
">\n\n\n\nAny reputable employer pays for those classes. I pay for people to take those. I pay fair and honest wages and let everyone know what everybody makes and why. I hate the operators who behave this way because it stains the entire industry. \n\n\nThe funds collected by the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation are used to fund the operations of the NRAEF. It's only 2% of the NRA's revenue. The industry bought an educational company because the standards of localities vary widely in breadth and enforcement and we want higher standards for our food safety. \n\n\nIn many areas these funds are collected by the local health department who require restaurant workers to take the same classes from them rather than ServSafe.\n\n\nFull disclosure: I am a member of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation and a ServSafe Educator. That is why I know how this works and that is why I know how the money is collected and that's why I know where the money goes.",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nHad a friend that could make his 1300 rent in like a day as a server lol"
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>
Texas has this shit. I once tired applying for waiter job, and I had to take a test.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations.",
">\n\nI mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training.",
">\n\n\n\nAny reputable employer pays for those classes. I pay for people to take those. I pay fair and honest wages and let everyone know what everybody makes and why. I hate the operators who behave this way because it stains the entire industry. \n\n\nThe funds collected by the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation are used to fund the operations of the NRAEF. It's only 2% of the NRA's revenue. The industry bought an educational company because the standards of localities vary widely in breadth and enforcement and we want higher standards for our food safety. \n\n\nIn many areas these funds are collected by the local health department who require restaurant workers to take the same classes from them rather than ServSafe.\n\n\nFull disclosure: I am a member of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation and a ServSafe Educator. That is why I know how this works and that is why I know how the money is collected and that's why I know where the money goes.",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nHad a friend that could make his 1300 rent in like a day as a server lol",
">\n\nWhile this is undoubtedly shitty, don't discount the fact that there are a significant subset of waiters/waitresses who also actively fight changing their pay for the better. There's some serious misinformation floated around about how pay raises would lower their income since people wouldn't tip as much or at all. It's really screwed up."
] |
>
If the serve safe test prevented you from being a waiter, you have no business being near food.
The questions are so easy you have to try to fail.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations.",
">\n\nI mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training.",
">\n\n\n\nAny reputable employer pays for those classes. I pay for people to take those. I pay fair and honest wages and let everyone know what everybody makes and why. I hate the operators who behave this way because it stains the entire industry. \n\n\nThe funds collected by the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation are used to fund the operations of the NRAEF. It's only 2% of the NRA's revenue. The industry bought an educational company because the standards of localities vary widely in breadth and enforcement and we want higher standards for our food safety. \n\n\nIn many areas these funds are collected by the local health department who require restaurant workers to take the same classes from them rather than ServSafe.\n\n\nFull disclosure: I am a member of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation and a ServSafe Educator. That is why I know how this works and that is why I know how the money is collected and that's why I know where the money goes.",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nHad a friend that could make his 1300 rent in like a day as a server lol",
">\n\nWhile this is undoubtedly shitty, don't discount the fact that there are a significant subset of waiters/waitresses who also actively fight changing their pay for the better. There's some serious misinformation floated around about how pay raises would lower their income since people wouldn't tip as much or at all. It's really screwed up.",
">\n\nTexas has this shit. I once tired applying for waiter job, and I had to take a test."
] |
>
I was a waiter in college at some of the finest dining establishments in a different state, where we had to wear tuxedos, made bank, used crumbles, and served celebs and politicians.
I briefly was unemployed from an entirely different much better career and in TX. I took the test and passed and strangely it was enough to keep me from tipping my toes back in the industry even temporarily thank god. And I was insanely over qualified for any of it anyway.
My point was this kinda thing isn’t new. Thanks for your input though bud.
|
[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations.",
">\n\nI mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training.",
">\n\n\n\nAny reputable employer pays for those classes. I pay for people to take those. I pay fair and honest wages and let everyone know what everybody makes and why. I hate the operators who behave this way because it stains the entire industry. \n\n\nThe funds collected by the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation are used to fund the operations of the NRAEF. It's only 2% of the NRA's revenue. The industry bought an educational company because the standards of localities vary widely in breadth and enforcement and we want higher standards for our food safety. \n\n\nIn many areas these funds are collected by the local health department who require restaurant workers to take the same classes from them rather than ServSafe.\n\n\nFull disclosure: I am a member of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation and a ServSafe Educator. That is why I know how this works and that is why I know how the money is collected and that's why I know where the money goes.",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nHad a friend that could make his 1300 rent in like a day as a server lol",
">\n\nWhile this is undoubtedly shitty, don't discount the fact that there are a significant subset of waiters/waitresses who also actively fight changing their pay for the better. There's some serious misinformation floated around about how pay raises would lower their income since people wouldn't tip as much or at all. It's really screwed up.",
">\n\nTexas has this shit. I once tired applying for waiter job, and I had to take a test.",
">\n\nIf the serve safe test prevented you from being a waiter, you have no business being near food.\nThe questions are so easy you have to try to fail."
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Turns out anything called the NRA fucking blows.
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[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations.",
">\n\nI mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training.",
">\n\n\n\nAny reputable employer pays for those classes. I pay for people to take those. I pay fair and honest wages and let everyone know what everybody makes and why. I hate the operators who behave this way because it stains the entire industry. \n\n\nThe funds collected by the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation are used to fund the operations of the NRAEF. It's only 2% of the NRA's revenue. The industry bought an educational company because the standards of localities vary widely in breadth and enforcement and we want higher standards for our food safety. \n\n\nIn many areas these funds are collected by the local health department who require restaurant workers to take the same classes from them rather than ServSafe.\n\n\nFull disclosure: I am a member of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation and a ServSafe Educator. That is why I know how this works and that is why I know how the money is collected and that's why I know where the money goes.",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nHad a friend that could make his 1300 rent in like a day as a server lol",
">\n\nWhile this is undoubtedly shitty, don't discount the fact that there are a significant subset of waiters/waitresses who also actively fight changing their pay for the better. There's some serious misinformation floated around about how pay raises would lower their income since people wouldn't tip as much or at all. It's really screwed up.",
">\n\nTexas has this shit. I once tired applying for waiter job, and I had to take a test.",
">\n\nIf the serve safe test prevented you from being a waiter, you have no business being near food.\nThe questions are so easy you have to try to fail.",
">\n\nI was a waiter in college at some of the finest dining establishments in a different state, where we had to wear tuxedos, made bank, used crumbles, and served celebs and politicians. \nI briefly was unemployed from an entirely different much better career and in TX. I took the test and passed and strangely it was enough to keep me from tipping my toes back in the industry even temporarily thank god. And I was insanely over qualified for any of it anyway. \nMy point was this kinda thing isn’t new. Thanks for your input though bud."
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Paywall
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[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations.",
">\n\nI mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training.",
">\n\n\n\nAny reputable employer pays for those classes. I pay for people to take those. I pay fair and honest wages and let everyone know what everybody makes and why. I hate the operators who behave this way because it stains the entire industry. \n\n\nThe funds collected by the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation are used to fund the operations of the NRAEF. It's only 2% of the NRA's revenue. The industry bought an educational company because the standards of localities vary widely in breadth and enforcement and we want higher standards for our food safety. \n\n\nIn many areas these funds are collected by the local health department who require restaurant workers to take the same classes from them rather than ServSafe.\n\n\nFull disclosure: I am a member of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation and a ServSafe Educator. That is why I know how this works and that is why I know how the money is collected and that's why I know where the money goes.",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nHad a friend that could make his 1300 rent in like a day as a server lol",
">\n\nWhile this is undoubtedly shitty, don't discount the fact that there are a significant subset of waiters/waitresses who also actively fight changing their pay for the better. There's some serious misinformation floated around about how pay raises would lower their income since people wouldn't tip as much or at all. It's really screwed up.",
">\n\nTexas has this shit. I once tired applying for waiter job, and I had to take a test.",
">\n\nIf the serve safe test prevented you from being a waiter, you have no business being near food.\nThe questions are so easy you have to try to fail.",
">\n\nI was a waiter in college at some of the finest dining establishments in a different state, where we had to wear tuxedos, made bank, used crumbles, and served celebs and politicians. \nI briefly was unemployed from an entirely different much better career and in TX. I took the test and passed and strangely it was enough to keep me from tipping my toes back in the industry even temporarily thank god. And I was insanely over qualified for any of it anyway. \nMy point was this kinda thing isn’t new. Thanks for your input though bud.",
">\n\nTurns out anything called the NRA fucking blows."
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Food safe was $90 up here in Canada
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[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations.",
">\n\nI mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training.",
">\n\n\n\nAny reputable employer pays for those classes. I pay for people to take those. I pay fair and honest wages and let everyone know what everybody makes and why. I hate the operators who behave this way because it stains the entire industry. \n\n\nThe funds collected by the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation are used to fund the operations of the NRAEF. It's only 2% of the NRA's revenue. The industry bought an educational company because the standards of localities vary widely in breadth and enforcement and we want higher standards for our food safety. \n\n\nIn many areas these funds are collected by the local health department who require restaurant workers to take the same classes from them rather than ServSafe.\n\n\nFull disclosure: I am a member of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation and a ServSafe Educator. That is why I know how this works and that is why I know how the money is collected and that's why I know where the money goes.",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nHad a friend that could make his 1300 rent in like a day as a server lol",
">\n\nWhile this is undoubtedly shitty, don't discount the fact that there are a significant subset of waiters/waitresses who also actively fight changing their pay for the better. There's some serious misinformation floated around about how pay raises would lower their income since people wouldn't tip as much or at all. It's really screwed up.",
">\n\nTexas has this shit. I once tired applying for waiter job, and I had to take a test.",
">\n\nIf the serve safe test prevented you from being a waiter, you have no business being near food.\nThe questions are so easy you have to try to fail.",
">\n\nI was a waiter in college at some of the finest dining establishments in a different state, where we had to wear tuxedos, made bank, used crumbles, and served celebs and politicians. \nI briefly was unemployed from an entirely different much better career and in TX. I took the test and passed and strangely it was enough to keep me from tipping my toes back in the industry even temporarily thank god. And I was insanely over qualified for any of it anyway. \nMy point was this kinda thing isn’t new. Thanks for your input though bud.",
">\n\nTurns out anything called the NRA fucking blows.",
">\n\nPaywall"
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fuck servsafe
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[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations.",
">\n\nI mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training.",
">\n\n\n\nAny reputable employer pays for those classes. I pay for people to take those. I pay fair and honest wages and let everyone know what everybody makes and why. I hate the operators who behave this way because it stains the entire industry. \n\n\nThe funds collected by the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation are used to fund the operations of the NRAEF. It's only 2% of the NRA's revenue. The industry bought an educational company because the standards of localities vary widely in breadth and enforcement and we want higher standards for our food safety. \n\n\nIn many areas these funds are collected by the local health department who require restaurant workers to take the same classes from them rather than ServSafe.\n\n\nFull disclosure: I am a member of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation and a ServSafe Educator. That is why I know how this works and that is why I know how the money is collected and that's why I know where the money goes.",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nHad a friend that could make his 1300 rent in like a day as a server lol",
">\n\nWhile this is undoubtedly shitty, don't discount the fact that there are a significant subset of waiters/waitresses who also actively fight changing their pay for the better. There's some serious misinformation floated around about how pay raises would lower their income since people wouldn't tip as much or at all. It's really screwed up.",
">\n\nTexas has this shit. I once tired applying for waiter job, and I had to take a test.",
">\n\nIf the serve safe test prevented you from being a waiter, you have no business being near food.\nThe questions are so easy you have to try to fail.",
">\n\nI was a waiter in college at some of the finest dining establishments in a different state, where we had to wear tuxedos, made bank, used crumbles, and served celebs and politicians. \nI briefly was unemployed from an entirely different much better career and in TX. I took the test and passed and strangely it was enough to keep me from tipping my toes back in the industry even temporarily thank god. And I was insanely over qualified for any of it anyway. \nMy point was this kinda thing isn’t new. Thanks for your input though bud.",
">\n\nTurns out anything called the NRA fucking blows.",
">\n\nPaywall",
">\n\nFood safe was $90 up here in Canada"
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False. The national restaurant association is restaurant owners not workers. They want customers to tip their front of house employees so they don't have to pay a livable wage.
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[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations.",
">\n\nI mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training.",
">\n\n\n\nAny reputable employer pays for those classes. I pay for people to take those. I pay fair and honest wages and let everyone know what everybody makes and why. I hate the operators who behave this way because it stains the entire industry. \n\n\nThe funds collected by the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation are used to fund the operations of the NRAEF. It's only 2% of the NRA's revenue. The industry bought an educational company because the standards of localities vary widely in breadth and enforcement and we want higher standards for our food safety. \n\n\nIn many areas these funds are collected by the local health department who require restaurant workers to take the same classes from them rather than ServSafe.\n\n\nFull disclosure: I am a member of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation and a ServSafe Educator. That is why I know how this works and that is why I know how the money is collected and that's why I know where the money goes.",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nHad a friend that could make his 1300 rent in like a day as a server lol",
">\n\nWhile this is undoubtedly shitty, don't discount the fact that there are a significant subset of waiters/waitresses who also actively fight changing their pay for the better. There's some serious misinformation floated around about how pay raises would lower their income since people wouldn't tip as much or at all. It's really screwed up.",
">\n\nTexas has this shit. I once tired applying for waiter job, and I had to take a test.",
">\n\nIf the serve safe test prevented you from being a waiter, you have no business being near food.\nThe questions are so easy you have to try to fail.",
">\n\nI was a waiter in college at some of the finest dining establishments in a different state, where we had to wear tuxedos, made bank, used crumbles, and served celebs and politicians. \nI briefly was unemployed from an entirely different much better career and in TX. I took the test and passed and strangely it was enough to keep me from tipping my toes back in the industry even temporarily thank god. And I was insanely over qualified for any of it anyway. \nMy point was this kinda thing isn’t new. Thanks for your input though bud.",
">\n\nTurns out anything called the NRA fucking blows.",
">\n\nPaywall",
">\n\nFood safe was $90 up here in Canada",
">\n\nfuck servsafe"
] |
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[
"While there is important information in food handler safety, the slow video presentation and mini-quizzes are a boring and IMO crappy way to communicate that info, along with not really leaving one with a good reference tool in case something needs to be refreshed.\nAlong with that, when I moved from food service into construction, I can contrast that my company paid for me to get my OSHA30 certificate, paid for my forklift cert, and pays every year to keep my DOT exam up to date.\nIt's crazy to force the food service employees to pay for these \"licenses\".",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nI make $15.50/h as base pay bartending. With tips my average shift is $40+/h. Why would I not want tips? I've been in the restaurant industry for 16 years in Mn. I've turned down every non tip \"promotion\" that's ever been offered to me because it would be a pay cut. Tipped employees in restaurants usually do quite well in the many restaurants I have worked both in rural Mn and the twin cities metro. Back of house(mostly non tipped employees)is where the real pay disparities are. \nWould you rather get paid $15/h no tips or $40/h with tips? The math is pretty simple.",
">\n\nI think what everyone is saying its, you should be paid $40/hr guaranteed (not the min.), since that's your baseline and it's a living wage in a lot of cities.",
">\n\nLol sure I'll work at a restaurant that pays me $40/h base. It's never ever going to happen. General managers don't even get paid that much now. There are plenty of non tipped restaurants in Minneapolis right now. I wouldn't work at any of them because it would be a massive pay cut. \nThe non tipped restaurants even charge a service fee that goes straight into the businesses pockets. So the employees there get paid less than a tipped employees and the owner takes more money. I'd never work at a restaurant/bar with that model.",
">\n\nSo what I'm hearing is, the business owners are screwing over their employees so often that you want a little more control over how you get paid. Sounds like a union should be in your future. Construction work isn't run by saints and they get paid what they're due, just saying.",
">\n\nUnionized restaurant employees are a thing in the twin cities. I'd still take a pay cut working for them and my hours would be way less flexible.\nEven in a union I wouldn't be making $40/h. Hell I know restaurant owners that don't even make that much. Usually in the first few years of operation at least.",
">\n\nThey need better unions and the owners not making 40/hr is none of the worker's business. This is capitalism baby.",
">\n\nCompanies just suck. They really do just suck. Humans who run them turn into monsters losing any humanity they may have had.",
">\n\nThere's one court case we can point to that changed businesses from having to look out for the consumer, to now only having to look out for the shareholders. So most companies thought, \"Sweet! Fuck them customers.\" Now all companies are soul crushing machines.",
">\n\nWhich court case are you referencing? Would like to read more",
">\n\nThanks, I’ll read through this!",
">\n\n\nThe company they are paying, ServSafe, doubles as a fund-raising arm of the National Restaurant Association — the largest lobbying group for the food-service industry, claiming to represent more than 500,000 restaurant businesses. The association has spent decades fighting increases to the minimum wage at the federal and state levels, as well as the subminimum wage paid to tipped workers like waiters.\nThe federal minimum wage has risen just once since 1996, to $7.25 from $5.15, while the minimum hourly wage for tipped workers has been $2.13 since 1991. Minimums are higher in many states, but still below what labor groups consider a living wage.\nFor years, the restaurant association and its affiliates have used ServSafe to create an arrangement with few parallels in Washington, where labor unwittingly helps to pay for management’s lobbying. First, in 2007, the restaurant owners took control of a training business. Then they helped lobby states to mandate the kind of training they already provided — producing a flood of paying customers.",
">\n\nThis enrages me so goddamn much, knowing that I'm one of the people who unwittingly paid into this horrid scheme. This is deception of the highest order and all the more reason lobbying needs to be severely curtailed and wages raised to meet modern needs.",
">\n\nWhy is this something that's even handled by a private company?! These types of certifications should be offered though a government entity like health departments.",
">\n\nThat's what you get with low taxes, small government, deregulation, privatizations and neoliberalism in general.\nLately, , I found out that UK construction companies could certify their new buildings as respecting all safety and fire quality standards, by any person they deemed competent enough... LOL. No governmental agency, no private certification company, no nothing. You could ask your pub pal for a hand in exchange for a beer or two...\nOf course, since that terrible disaster of a high tower building burning and killing many people, things have started to change.... But oh boy is capitalism fucking people over...",
">\n\nMeanwhile socialism fucks people over by doing the exact same thing. Greed is human, not capitalist.",
">\n\nIn both systems, there are good and bad people. But, unlike socialism, capitalism actually celebrates greed, considers it as a virtue, and encourages people to be more greedy. Of course, socialism has its own flaws too. But promoting greed as a good thing isn't one of them.",
">\n\nThis is the most American type scheme that I have ever heard of, incredible that dissimulation lobbing is okay because it's lobbing.",
">\n\nThis is similar to people investing their retirement money into healthcare companies through index funds, and those companies then lobbying against universal healthcare, thereby killing tens to hundreds of thousands of Americans and wasting half a trillion dollars every year.\nWe're being robbed and socially murdered with our own labor and our own resources. \nIt's like cows building their own slaughterhouses, or work slaves building the pens enclosing their labor camps. \nAbsolute abomination of a system.",
">\n\nSure you pay for your own safety class, and then the money is used to keep your paycheck smaller, but the Double Irony Sandwich prep training seems to be included, so it's not all bad...",
">\n\nGot to give American capitalists and business owners their due. They never seem to run out of imaginative and resourceful ways to screw over their workers.",
">\n\nI’ve unwittingly contributed to this just to work at McDonald’s fuck the NRA",
">\n\nA $15 food safety course is almost a full 8 hour day of labor at the restaurant industry's $2.13 an hour wage. Same wage I made decades ago.",
">\n\nSeriously? Min wage is 2.13$? Is the united stated stuck in 60s? How is that even legal nobody could live off of that.. in Canada I think the lowest is 16$ that's not even easy to live off of..",
">\n\nIts that way because if you receive tips, they can pay you less. One important thing is that your total tips + wage has to greater than the non-tipped minimum wage. If you make less than the non-tipped minimum, then your employer is supposed to increase your wage until it is equal to or greater than the minimum.",
">\n\nAsk your employer to make up the difference and you will suddenly be working less hours.",
">\n\nA lot of places will track your credit card tips and do the math that way",
">\n\nMan, I’m not sure if there’s an NRA I actually like lol.",
">\n\nIs there much polling done on how servers feel about their wages in general? I know the “got stiffed by a customer” posts go viral but the waiters I know all prefer tips because they clear $50+ an hour. Both are anecdotal so I’m wondering if there is real data out there.",
">\n\nSuper fucked up. because they are basically monopoly on certain certifications.",
">\n\nReminds me of a signature gatherer who was recently at the store and wanting signatures to limit restaurant workers' wages. There seems to be an entire nest of snakes dedicating to keeping workers' wages down.",
">\n\nFuck these national associations.",
">\n\nI mean these food safety classes are important — that being said, the employer should be paying for that training.",
">\n\n\n\nAny reputable employer pays for those classes. I pay for people to take those. I pay fair and honest wages and let everyone know what everybody makes and why. I hate the operators who behave this way because it stains the entire industry. \n\n\nThe funds collected by the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation are used to fund the operations of the NRAEF. It's only 2% of the NRA's revenue. The industry bought an educational company because the standards of localities vary widely in breadth and enforcement and we want higher standards for our food safety. \n\n\nIn many areas these funds are collected by the local health department who require restaurant workers to take the same classes from them rather than ServSafe.\n\n\nFull disclosure: I am a member of the National Restaurant Association Educational Foundation and a ServSafe Educator. That is why I know how this works and that is why I know how the money is collected and that's why I know where the money goes.",
">\n\nTips are horrible just pay people",
">\n\nHad a friend that could make his 1300 rent in like a day as a server lol",
">\n\nWhile this is undoubtedly shitty, don't discount the fact that there are a significant subset of waiters/waitresses who also actively fight changing their pay for the better. There's some serious misinformation floated around about how pay raises would lower their income since people wouldn't tip as much or at all. It's really screwed up.",
">\n\nTexas has this shit. I once tired applying for waiter job, and I had to take a test.",
">\n\nIf the serve safe test prevented you from being a waiter, you have no business being near food.\nThe questions are so easy you have to try to fail.",
">\n\nI was a waiter in college at some of the finest dining establishments in a different state, where we had to wear tuxedos, made bank, used crumbles, and served celebs and politicians. \nI briefly was unemployed from an entirely different much better career and in TX. I took the test and passed and strangely it was enough to keep me from tipping my toes back in the industry even temporarily thank god. And I was insanely over qualified for any of it anyway. \nMy point was this kinda thing isn’t new. Thanks for your input though bud.",
">\n\nTurns out anything called the NRA fucking blows.",
">\n\nPaywall",
">\n\nFood safe was $90 up here in Canada",
">\n\nfuck servsafe",
">\n\nFalse. The national restaurant association is restaurant owners not workers. They want customers to tip their front of house employees so they don't have to pay a livable wage."
] |
Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer.
Game: pixel art.
|
[] |
>
Counterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art."
] |
>
The most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer."
] |
>
And it was short at less than a minute.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection."
] |
>
I refuse to believe this
Edit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute."
] |
>
You're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit"
] |
>
I'll never be able to trust again
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive."
] |
>
The truth is...the game was rigged from the start.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again"
] |
>
Fast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start."
] |
>
Not true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years
I’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad
And back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.
The issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL"
] |
>
Thank you for doing your part!
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible"
] |
>
Literally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a "Not actual gameplay" disclaimer at the bottom
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!"
] |
>
Agreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom"
] |
>
You don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like."
] |
>
Why not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay."
] |
>
I mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?"
] |
>
Why is this downvoted? It’s literally true. Multiple scenes in the Rogue One trailer/posters just did not appear in the movie
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?",
">\n\nI mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently."
] |
>
I feel like we should all blame Sony for this one.. It all started with PS2 E3 videos.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?",
">\n\nI mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently.",
">\n\nWhy is this downvoted? It’s literally true. Multiple scenes in the Rogue One trailer/posters just did not appear in the movie"
] |
>
Dunno, I love game trailers for how they looked. For actual gameplay I will just wait release and see on Youtube. Especially I love gacha games trailers. When I watched Eversoul trailer - I already knew that I want to play it. And yes, I'm playing it on my phone or on pc on bluestacks. Good trailer is a piece of art
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?",
">\n\nI mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently.",
">\n\nWhy is this downvoted? It’s literally true. Multiple scenes in the Rogue One trailer/posters just did not appear in the movie",
">\n\nI feel like we should all blame Sony for this one.. It all started with PS2 E3 videos."
] |
>
This is a complete insult to BLUR (among other talented studios) and the artistry that goes into video game cutscenes.
Have you considered that gameplay really isn't the only thing that goes into a game? Aesthetic, mood, genre, setting, story, characters, etc can be explained within a trailer. People really underestimate how much information a non-gameplay trailer can communicate.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?",
">\n\nI mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently.",
">\n\nWhy is this downvoted? It’s literally true. Multiple scenes in the Rogue One trailer/posters just did not appear in the movie",
">\n\nI feel like we should all blame Sony for this one.. It all started with PS2 E3 videos.",
">\n\nDunno, I love game trailers for how they looked. For actual gameplay I will just wait release and see on Youtube. Especially I love gacha games trailers. When I watched Eversoul trailer - I already knew that I want to play it. And yes, I'm playing it on my phone or on pc on bluestacks. Good trailer is a piece of art"
] |
>
Trailers are meant to get buzz around a game, you do so by giving info on the story telling and making exciting content.
there is a reason most devs now put out official trailers AND gameplay previews
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?",
">\n\nI mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently.",
">\n\nWhy is this downvoted? It’s literally true. Multiple scenes in the Rogue One trailer/posters just did not appear in the movie",
">\n\nI feel like we should all blame Sony for this one.. It all started with PS2 E3 videos.",
">\n\nDunno, I love game trailers for how they looked. For actual gameplay I will just wait release and see on Youtube. Especially I love gacha games trailers. When I watched Eversoul trailer - I already knew that I want to play it. And yes, I'm playing it on my phone or on pc on bluestacks. Good trailer is a piece of art",
">\n\nThis is a complete insult to BLUR (among other talented studios) and the artistry that goes into video game cutscenes.\nHave you considered that gameplay really isn't the only thing that goes into a game? Aesthetic, mood, genre, setting, story, characters, etc can be explained within a trailer. People really underestimate how much information a non-gameplay trailer can communicate."
] |
>
But you are not forbidden from watching Gameplay trailers.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?",
">\n\nI mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently.",
">\n\nWhy is this downvoted? It’s literally true. Multiple scenes in the Rogue One trailer/posters just did not appear in the movie",
">\n\nI feel like we should all blame Sony for this one.. It all started with PS2 E3 videos.",
">\n\nDunno, I love game trailers for how they looked. For actual gameplay I will just wait release and see on Youtube. Especially I love gacha games trailers. When I watched Eversoul trailer - I already knew that I want to play it. And yes, I'm playing it on my phone or on pc on bluestacks. Good trailer is a piece of art",
">\n\nThis is a complete insult to BLUR (among other talented studios) and the artistry that goes into video game cutscenes.\nHave you considered that gameplay really isn't the only thing that goes into a game? Aesthetic, mood, genre, setting, story, characters, etc can be explained within a trailer. People really underestimate how much information a non-gameplay trailer can communicate.",
">\n\nTrailers are meant to get buzz around a game, you do so by giving info on the story telling and making exciting content.\nthere is a reason most devs now put out official trailers AND gameplay previews"
] |
>
Sometimes they just don't exist, though. FF16 has been announced for almost two years, and I don't think there's a single bit of actual, unedited gameplay footage out there.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?",
">\n\nI mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently.",
">\n\nWhy is this downvoted? It’s literally true. Multiple scenes in the Rogue One trailer/posters just did not appear in the movie",
">\n\nI feel like we should all blame Sony for this one.. It all started with PS2 E3 videos.",
">\n\nDunno, I love game trailers for how they looked. For actual gameplay I will just wait release and see on Youtube. Especially I love gacha games trailers. When I watched Eversoul trailer - I already knew that I want to play it. And yes, I'm playing it on my phone or on pc on bluestacks. Good trailer is a piece of art",
">\n\nThis is a complete insult to BLUR (among other talented studios) and the artistry that goes into video game cutscenes.\nHave you considered that gameplay really isn't the only thing that goes into a game? Aesthetic, mood, genre, setting, story, characters, etc can be explained within a trailer. People really underestimate how much information a non-gameplay trailer can communicate.",
">\n\nTrailers are meant to get buzz around a game, you do so by giving info on the story telling and making exciting content.\nthere is a reason most devs now put out official trailers AND gameplay previews",
">\n\nBut you are not forbidden from watching Gameplay trailers."
] |
>
Very true - however at that point you can always wait to watch gameplay from the near limitless amount of Twitch and Youtube videos that come out when a game launches.
If you want to preorder the game to receive whatever bonus ahead of time, then I don't have a solution.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?",
">\n\nI mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently.",
">\n\nWhy is this downvoted? It’s literally true. Multiple scenes in the Rogue One trailer/posters just did not appear in the movie",
">\n\nI feel like we should all blame Sony for this one.. It all started with PS2 E3 videos.",
">\n\nDunno, I love game trailers for how they looked. For actual gameplay I will just wait release and see on Youtube. Especially I love gacha games trailers. When I watched Eversoul trailer - I already knew that I want to play it. And yes, I'm playing it on my phone or on pc on bluestacks. Good trailer is a piece of art",
">\n\nThis is a complete insult to BLUR (among other talented studios) and the artistry that goes into video game cutscenes.\nHave you considered that gameplay really isn't the only thing that goes into a game? Aesthetic, mood, genre, setting, story, characters, etc can be explained within a trailer. People really underestimate how much information a non-gameplay trailer can communicate.",
">\n\nTrailers are meant to get buzz around a game, you do so by giving info on the story telling and making exciting content.\nthere is a reason most devs now put out official trailers AND gameplay previews",
">\n\nBut you are not forbidden from watching Gameplay trailers.",
">\n\nSometimes they just don't exist, though. FF16 has been announced for almost two years, and I don't think there's a single bit of actual, unedited gameplay footage out there."
] |
>
Hence OP's argument that video game trailers are pointless. If I have to wait for twitch/youtube streams to know what I'm even going to be playing, then the only purpose the trailers serve is to spoil plot and cutscenes.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?",
">\n\nI mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently.",
">\n\nWhy is this downvoted? It’s literally true. Multiple scenes in the Rogue One trailer/posters just did not appear in the movie",
">\n\nI feel like we should all blame Sony for this one.. It all started with PS2 E3 videos.",
">\n\nDunno, I love game trailers for how they looked. For actual gameplay I will just wait release and see on Youtube. Especially I love gacha games trailers. When I watched Eversoul trailer - I already knew that I want to play it. And yes, I'm playing it on my phone or on pc on bluestacks. Good trailer is a piece of art",
">\n\nThis is a complete insult to BLUR (among other talented studios) and the artistry that goes into video game cutscenes.\nHave you considered that gameplay really isn't the only thing that goes into a game? Aesthetic, mood, genre, setting, story, characters, etc can be explained within a trailer. People really underestimate how much information a non-gameplay trailer can communicate.",
">\n\nTrailers are meant to get buzz around a game, you do so by giving info on the story telling and making exciting content.\nthere is a reason most devs now put out official trailers AND gameplay previews",
">\n\nBut you are not forbidden from watching Gameplay trailers.",
">\n\nSometimes they just don't exist, though. FF16 has been announced for almost two years, and I don't think there's a single bit of actual, unedited gameplay footage out there.",
">\n\nVery true - however at that point you can always wait to watch gameplay from the near limitless amount of Twitch and Youtube videos that come out when a game launches. \nIf you want to preorder the game to receive whatever bonus ahead of time, then I don't have a solution."
] |
>
They are not pointless if they work. Blizzard has nearly perfected the cinematic trailers for game announcements. I don't see a single ounce of gameplay in the Diablo 4 trailer. I didn't see any gameplay in the Dragon Flight trailer.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?",
">\n\nI mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently.",
">\n\nWhy is this downvoted? It’s literally true. Multiple scenes in the Rogue One trailer/posters just did not appear in the movie",
">\n\nI feel like we should all blame Sony for this one.. It all started with PS2 E3 videos.",
">\n\nDunno, I love game trailers for how they looked. For actual gameplay I will just wait release and see on Youtube. Especially I love gacha games trailers. When I watched Eversoul trailer - I already knew that I want to play it. And yes, I'm playing it on my phone or on pc on bluestacks. Good trailer is a piece of art",
">\n\nThis is a complete insult to BLUR (among other talented studios) and the artistry that goes into video game cutscenes.\nHave you considered that gameplay really isn't the only thing that goes into a game? Aesthetic, mood, genre, setting, story, characters, etc can be explained within a trailer. People really underestimate how much information a non-gameplay trailer can communicate.",
">\n\nTrailers are meant to get buzz around a game, you do so by giving info on the story telling and making exciting content.\nthere is a reason most devs now put out official trailers AND gameplay previews",
">\n\nBut you are not forbidden from watching Gameplay trailers.",
">\n\nSometimes they just don't exist, though. FF16 has been announced for almost two years, and I don't think there's a single bit of actual, unedited gameplay footage out there.",
">\n\nVery true - however at that point you can always wait to watch gameplay from the near limitless amount of Twitch and Youtube videos that come out when a game launches. \nIf you want to preorder the game to receive whatever bonus ahead of time, then I don't have a solution.",
">\n\nHence OP's argument that video game trailers are pointless. If I have to wait for twitch/youtube streams to know what I'm even going to be playing, then the only purpose the trailers serve is to spoil plot and cutscenes."
] |
>
I think OP's argument (and mine) is that there are some people that are not impressed at all by cinematic trailers. You can make the most "perfect" cinematic trailer in existence, but people like myself and OP aren't going to be interested.
The only reason these trailers "work" is because the most video game fandoms have turned into machines that run solely on hype; you could take a shit in a box and label it "Blizzard's Diablo 4" and half the community would applaud it.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?",
">\n\nI mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently.",
">\n\nWhy is this downvoted? It’s literally true. Multiple scenes in the Rogue One trailer/posters just did not appear in the movie",
">\n\nI feel like we should all blame Sony for this one.. It all started with PS2 E3 videos.",
">\n\nDunno, I love game trailers for how they looked. For actual gameplay I will just wait release and see on Youtube. Especially I love gacha games trailers. When I watched Eversoul trailer - I already knew that I want to play it. And yes, I'm playing it on my phone or on pc on bluestacks. Good trailer is a piece of art",
">\n\nThis is a complete insult to BLUR (among other talented studios) and the artistry that goes into video game cutscenes.\nHave you considered that gameplay really isn't the only thing that goes into a game? Aesthetic, mood, genre, setting, story, characters, etc can be explained within a trailer. People really underestimate how much information a non-gameplay trailer can communicate.",
">\n\nTrailers are meant to get buzz around a game, you do so by giving info on the story telling and making exciting content.\nthere is a reason most devs now put out official trailers AND gameplay previews",
">\n\nBut you are not forbidden from watching Gameplay trailers.",
">\n\nSometimes they just don't exist, though. FF16 has been announced for almost two years, and I don't think there's a single bit of actual, unedited gameplay footage out there.",
">\n\nVery true - however at that point you can always wait to watch gameplay from the near limitless amount of Twitch and Youtube videos that come out when a game launches. \nIf you want to preorder the game to receive whatever bonus ahead of time, then I don't have a solution.",
">\n\nHence OP's argument that video game trailers are pointless. If I have to wait for twitch/youtube streams to know what I'm even going to be playing, then the only purpose the trailers serve is to spoil plot and cutscenes.",
">\n\nThey are not pointless if they work. Blizzard has nearly perfected the cinematic trailers for game announcements. I don't see a single ounce of gameplay in the Diablo 4 trailer. I didn't see any gameplay in the Dragon Flight trailer."
] |
>
But why shouldn't a company follow a formula that already works?
If your argument is that cinematic trailers don't work on you, that isn't an argument. Fancy cakes don't impress me, so I don't buy them. But a shit load of people still do.
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?",
">\n\nI mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently.",
">\n\nWhy is this downvoted? It’s literally true. Multiple scenes in the Rogue One trailer/posters just did not appear in the movie",
">\n\nI feel like we should all blame Sony for this one.. It all started with PS2 E3 videos.",
">\n\nDunno, I love game trailers for how they looked. For actual gameplay I will just wait release and see on Youtube. Especially I love gacha games trailers. When I watched Eversoul trailer - I already knew that I want to play it. And yes, I'm playing it on my phone or on pc on bluestacks. Good trailer is a piece of art",
">\n\nThis is a complete insult to BLUR (among other talented studios) and the artistry that goes into video game cutscenes.\nHave you considered that gameplay really isn't the only thing that goes into a game? Aesthetic, mood, genre, setting, story, characters, etc can be explained within a trailer. People really underestimate how much information a non-gameplay trailer can communicate.",
">\n\nTrailers are meant to get buzz around a game, you do so by giving info on the story telling and making exciting content.\nthere is a reason most devs now put out official trailers AND gameplay previews",
">\n\nBut you are not forbidden from watching Gameplay trailers.",
">\n\nSometimes they just don't exist, though. FF16 has been announced for almost two years, and I don't think there's a single bit of actual, unedited gameplay footage out there.",
">\n\nVery true - however at that point you can always wait to watch gameplay from the near limitless amount of Twitch and Youtube videos that come out when a game launches. \nIf you want to preorder the game to receive whatever bonus ahead of time, then I don't have a solution.",
">\n\nHence OP's argument that video game trailers are pointless. If I have to wait for twitch/youtube streams to know what I'm even going to be playing, then the only purpose the trailers serve is to spoil plot and cutscenes.",
">\n\nThey are not pointless if they work. Blizzard has nearly perfected the cinematic trailers for game announcements. I don't see a single ounce of gameplay in the Diablo 4 trailer. I didn't see any gameplay in the Dragon Flight trailer.",
">\n\nI think OP's argument (and mine) is that there are some people that are not impressed at all by cinematic trailers. You can make the most \"perfect\" cinematic trailer in existence, but people like myself and OP aren't going to be interested.\nThe only reason these trailers \"work\" is because the most video game fandoms have turned into machines that run solely on hype; you could take a shit in a box and label it \"Blizzard's Diablo 4\" and half the community would applaud it."
] |
>
|
[
"Beautiful sweeping 4k 3-minute trailer. \nGame: pixel art.",
">\n\nCounterpoint: the Battlefield 1 trailer.",
">\n\nThe most fantastic trailer that somehow didn’t show a single second of actual gameplay but also accurately conveyed the feeling of the game. That thing was perfection.",
">\n\nAnd it was short at less than a minute.",
">\n\nI refuse to believe this\nEdit: the shortest trailer I could find for it was 1:01 long you little shit",
">\n\nYou're right, I was wrong. The trailer is just over a minute. Still impressive.",
">\n\nI'll never be able to trust again",
">\n\nThe truth is...the game was rigged from the start.",
">\n\nFast food advertising shouldn't exist, as there's never been a single fast food advert that actually showed how the food looks IRL",
">\n\nNot true, I worked Mcdonalds for 5ish years \nI’ve made by my count 4 sandwiches that looked like the picture on menu/ad \nAnd back when we had the wraps it was amazingly easy to get those photo accurate.\nThe issue is when they “look that good” it’s usually has to much sauce or vegetables to make them visible",
">\n\nThank you for doing your part!",
">\n\nLiterally just scrolled down and saw an ad for a game with a \"Not actual gameplay\" disclaimer at the bottom",
">\n\nAgreed. I hate how games are announced, and it's a good year or more before you actually get a trailer that lets you know what the gameplay is going to be like.",
">\n\nYou don't buy video games because of what you see in the ads, or I hope you don't anyway. The ads are supposed to grab your attention and make you look at a review that does show actual gameplay.",
">\n\nWhy not show the actual gameplay in the game tho?",
">\n\nI mean movies do something similar they piece together parts of different scenes to make the movie more exciting than it actually is or takes things out of context to make them appear differently.",
">\n\nWhy is this downvoted? It’s literally true. Multiple scenes in the Rogue One trailer/posters just did not appear in the movie",
">\n\nI feel like we should all blame Sony for this one.. It all started with PS2 E3 videos.",
">\n\nDunno, I love game trailers for how they looked. For actual gameplay I will just wait release and see on Youtube. Especially I love gacha games trailers. When I watched Eversoul trailer - I already knew that I want to play it. And yes, I'm playing it on my phone or on pc on bluestacks. Good trailer is a piece of art",
">\n\nThis is a complete insult to BLUR (among other talented studios) and the artistry that goes into video game cutscenes.\nHave you considered that gameplay really isn't the only thing that goes into a game? Aesthetic, mood, genre, setting, story, characters, etc can be explained within a trailer. People really underestimate how much information a non-gameplay trailer can communicate.",
">\n\nTrailers are meant to get buzz around a game, you do so by giving info on the story telling and making exciting content.\nthere is a reason most devs now put out official trailers AND gameplay previews",
">\n\nBut you are not forbidden from watching Gameplay trailers.",
">\n\nSometimes they just don't exist, though. FF16 has been announced for almost two years, and I don't think there's a single bit of actual, unedited gameplay footage out there.",
">\n\nVery true - however at that point you can always wait to watch gameplay from the near limitless amount of Twitch and Youtube videos that come out when a game launches. \nIf you want to preorder the game to receive whatever bonus ahead of time, then I don't have a solution.",
">\n\nHence OP's argument that video game trailers are pointless. If I have to wait for twitch/youtube streams to know what I'm even going to be playing, then the only purpose the trailers serve is to spoil plot and cutscenes.",
">\n\nThey are not pointless if they work. Blizzard has nearly perfected the cinematic trailers for game announcements. I don't see a single ounce of gameplay in the Diablo 4 trailer. I didn't see any gameplay in the Dragon Flight trailer.",
">\n\nI think OP's argument (and mine) is that there are some people that are not impressed at all by cinematic trailers. You can make the most \"perfect\" cinematic trailer in existence, but people like myself and OP aren't going to be interested.\nThe only reason these trailers \"work\" is because the most video game fandoms have turned into machines that run solely on hype; you could take a shit in a box and label it \"Blizzard's Diablo 4\" and half the community would applaud it.",
">\n\nBut why shouldn't a company follow a formula that already works? \nIf your argument is that cinematic trailers don't work on you, that isn't an argument. Fancy cakes don't impress me, so I don't buy them. But a shit load of people still do."
] |
I really want to build a Corne with blanks, but I keep second-guessing myself
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I’ll admit… that backspace key has received more love than ever before haha.
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[
"I really want to build a Corne with blanks, but I keep second-guessing myself"
] |
>
I just built an ortho 40.. With the numbers and symbols on layers, they might as well be blanks.
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[
"I really want to build a Corne with blanks, but I keep second-guessing myself",
">\n\nI’ll admit… that backspace key has received more love than ever before haha."
] |
>
I thought of building an ortholinear keybord as well and doubling it as a numpad through a layer. Blank keycaps would be a great call! That’s also why my numpad can also double as a macro pad with blank keys using 0 as a layer key
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[
"I really want to build a Corne with blanks, but I keep second-guessing myself",
">\n\nI’ll admit… that backspace key has received more love than ever before haha.",
">\n\nI just built an ortho 40.. With the numbers and symbols on layers, they might as well be blanks."
] |
>
Keyboard
NK65
NK Creams
EPBT Blank Keycaps
Hello enter key artisan
Numpad
Keychron Q0
Strawberry Milk Ice, Kailh Box Navy & Jade switches
EPBT Blank Keycaps
Dwarf Factory Cherry Cheesecake artisan
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[
"I really want to build a Corne with blanks, but I keep second-guessing myself",
">\n\nI’ll admit… that backspace key has received more love than ever before haha.",
">\n\nI just built an ortho 40.. With the numbers and symbols on layers, they might as well be blanks.",
">\n\nI thought of building an ortholinear keybord as well and doubling it as a numpad through a layer. Blank keycaps would be a great call! That’s also why my numpad can also double as a macro pad with blank keys using 0 as a layer key"
] |
>
|
[
"I really want to build a Corne with blanks, but I keep second-guessing myself",
">\n\nI’ll admit… that backspace key has received more love than ever before haha.",
">\n\nI just built an ortho 40.. With the numbers and symbols on layers, they might as well be blanks.",
">\n\nI thought of building an ortholinear keybord as well and doubling it as a numpad through a layer. Blank keycaps would be a great call! That’s also why my numpad can also double as a macro pad with blank keys using 0 as a layer key",
">\n\nKeyboard\n\nNK65\nNK Creams\nEPBT Blank Keycaps\nHello enter key artisan\n\nNumpad\n\nKeychron Q0\nStrawberry Milk Ice, Kailh Box Navy & Jade switches\nEPBT Blank Keycaps\nDwarf Factory Cherry Cheesecake artisan"
] |
This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.
Remember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not "thoughts had in the shower!"
(For an explanation of what a "showerthought" is, please read this page.)
Rule-breaking posts may result in bans.
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Dated a gal who was deaf and had a kid. No joke that kid yelled random nonsense allll day. I felt bad for their neighbors. I told her but she just shrugged so 🤷🏼♂️🤣
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans."
] |
>
If I don't hear the problem, the problem doesn't exist lol
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nDated a gal who was deaf and had a kid. No joke that kid yelled random nonsense allll day. I felt bad for their neighbors. I told her but she just shrugged so 🤷🏼♂️🤣"
] |
>
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[
"This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.",
">\n\nDated a gal who was deaf and had a kid. No joke that kid yelled random nonsense allll day. I felt bad for their neighbors. I told her but she just shrugged so 🤷🏼♂️🤣",
">\n\nIf I don't hear the problem, the problem doesn't exist lol"
] |
If I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.
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Is there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?
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[
"If I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice."
] |
>
The guy reporting a spill just had a lisp.
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[
"If I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.",
">\n\nIs there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?"
] |
>
🤣
|
[
"If I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.",
">\n\nIs there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?",
">\n\nThe guy reporting a spill just had a lisp."
] |
>
such is the state of education when you let a Boebert set the standard in CO
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[
"If I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.",
">\n\nIs there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?",
">\n\nThe guy reporting a spill just had a lisp.",
">\n\n🤣"
] |
>
If I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.
|
[
"If I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.",
">\n\nIs there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?",
">\n\nThe guy reporting a spill just had a lisp.",
">\n\n🤣",
">\n\nsuch is the state of education when you let a Boebert set the standard in CO"
] |
>
Is there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?
|
[
"If I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.",
">\n\nIs there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?",
">\n\nThe guy reporting a spill just had a lisp.",
">\n\n🤣",
">\n\nsuch is the state of education when you let a Boebert set the standard in CO",
">\n\nIf I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice."
] |
>
The guy reporting a spill just had a lisp.
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[
"If I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.",
">\n\nIs there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?",
">\n\nThe guy reporting a spill just had a lisp.",
">\n\n🤣",
">\n\nsuch is the state of education when you let a Boebert set the standard in CO",
">\n\nIf I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.",
">\n\nIs there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?"
] |
>
🤣
|
[
"If I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.",
">\n\nIs there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?",
">\n\nThe guy reporting a spill just had a lisp.",
">\n\n🤣",
">\n\nsuch is the state of education when you let a Boebert set the standard in CO",
">\n\nIf I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.",
">\n\nIs there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?",
">\n\nThe guy reporting a spill just had a lisp."
] |
>
such is the state of education when you let a Boebert set the standard in CO
|
[
"If I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.",
">\n\nIs there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?",
">\n\nThe guy reporting a spill just had a lisp.",
">\n\n🤣",
">\n\nsuch is the state of education when you let a Boebert set the standard in CO",
">\n\nIf I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.",
">\n\nIs there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?",
">\n\nThe guy reporting a spill just had a lisp.",
">\n\n🤣"
] |
>
|
[
"If I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.",
">\n\nIs there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?",
">\n\nThe guy reporting a spill just had a lisp.",
">\n\n🤣",
">\n\nsuch is the state of education when you let a Boebert set the standard in CO",
">\n\nIf I had nickel for every time this had happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's still strange that this happened twice.",
">\n\nIs there somebody going around testing library bathrooms for meth? Is this a real job?",
">\n\nThe guy reporting a spill just had a lisp.",
">\n\n🤣",
">\n\nsuch is the state of education when you let a Boebert set the standard in CO"
] |
"Elon Musk Funded by Terrorists"
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