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OP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving."
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It’s literally the title of the article though.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy"
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And the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though."
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There should be a rule that the title is of high quality.
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[
"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!"
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That burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/
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[
"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality."
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The organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.
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[
"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/"
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Perhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.
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[
"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait."
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Another shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices
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[
"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not."
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From the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.
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[
"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices"
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That’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title."
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The people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…"
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Everyone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks"
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Is The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.
The headline is misinformation and ragebait.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here."
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The Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait."
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This story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail."
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What’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.
I wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing."
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I think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest."
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A scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does."
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After watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds."
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FIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!"
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The title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive."
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This guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!"
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That's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him."
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And this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family."
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Oh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion."
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He died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!"
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Cocaine is a hell of a drug
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead."
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He was the master of his own fate
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug"
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I’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate"
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That’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign"
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Look, another bullshit headline and Reddit...
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media"
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Absolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit..."
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ah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH"
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Fun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false."
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He was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it."
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Looks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death."
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Putting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.
They deserve to go under.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic."
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This isn't a george floyd situation.
The guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under."
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So you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased.
Bad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid."
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Nice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong."
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Dont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?"
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Well, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on."
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The video is one last lesson he taught his students…
-Don’t do drugs.
-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.
-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.
-Don’t resist arrest.
-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt."
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Was high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support."
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Didn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?
Humans are fucked up. All sides.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut"
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The organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them.
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According to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides."
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there."
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I was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction..."
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Sad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure."
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“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids."
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok."
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Actually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\""
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BLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”"
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He died from the drugs, idiots
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings."
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I hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death.
LAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.
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“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots"
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I hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”"
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It looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable."
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“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”
I think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen."
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Terrible, misleading title.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline"
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title."
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Judging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a "stunt on YouTube ", "they're trying to sedate/kill me", "I know too much", etc.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc."
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This kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc."
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting."
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He was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism."
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That is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline"
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Yeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors."
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title."
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Anyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any."
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Because of all the coke he did
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case."
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I hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately.
All that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did"
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Why do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.
I mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.
Better yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could."
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks"
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I know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet"
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Well this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence."
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“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed."
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Rolling my eyes so hard.. "I just want people to see me" then runs lol. Black lives matter was the biggest joke. I'm glad there are real black organizations hunting the scammed down.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.",
">\n\n“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed."
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Damn yellow journalism making a comeback huh?
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.",
">\n\n“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed.",
">\n\nRolling my eyes so hard.. \"I just want people to see me\" then runs lol. Black lives matter was the biggest joke. I'm glad there are real black organizations hunting the scammed down."
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The man was running away from cops high as fuck and under the influence on multiple drugs.
Also, the founder's of BLM are a bunch of crooks. Fuck them for using donation funds to buy themselves mansions and whatnot instead of spending it towards their own cause they built. Sham.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.",
">\n\n“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed.",
">\n\nRolling my eyes so hard.. \"I just want people to see me\" then runs lol. Black lives matter was the biggest joke. I'm glad there are real black organizations hunting the scammed down.",
">\n\nDamn yellow journalism making a comeback huh?"
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well that headline isn’t trying to rile people up at all.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.",
">\n\n“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed.",
">\n\nRolling my eyes so hard.. \"I just want people to see me\" then runs lol. Black lives matter was the biggest joke. I'm glad there are real black organizations hunting the scammed down.",
">\n\nDamn yellow journalism making a comeback huh?",
">\n\nThe man was running away from cops high as fuck and under the influence on multiple drugs.\nAlso, the founder's of BLM are a bunch of crooks. Fuck them for using donation funds to buy themselves mansions and whatnot instead of spending it towards their own cause they built. Sham."
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.",
">\n\n“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed.",
">\n\nRolling my eyes so hard.. \"I just want people to see me\" then runs lol. Black lives matter was the biggest joke. I'm glad there are real black organizations hunting the scammed down.",
">\n\nDamn yellow journalism making a comeback huh?",
">\n\nThe man was running away from cops high as fuck and under the influence on multiple drugs.\nAlso, the founder's of BLM are a bunch of crooks. Fuck them for using donation funds to buy themselves mansions and whatnot instead of spending it towards their own cause they built. Sham.",
">\n\nwell that headline isn’t trying to rile people up at all."
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im glad this is what america is, damn fine police work
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.",
">\n\n“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed.",
">\n\nRolling my eyes so hard.. \"I just want people to see me\" then runs lol. Black lives matter was the biggest joke. I'm glad there are real black organizations hunting the scammed down.",
">\n\nDamn yellow journalism making a comeback huh?",
">\n\nThe man was running away from cops high as fuck and under the influence on multiple drugs.\nAlso, the founder's of BLM are a bunch of crooks. Fuck them for using donation funds to buy themselves mansions and whatnot instead of spending it towards their own cause they built. Sham.",
">\n\nwell that headline isn’t trying to rile people up at all.",
">\n\nCandace Owens is an insane anti-vaxxer. No one should be listening to anything she says."
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Tase this guy to death who was just in an accident and begging for help but the guy who is murdering children, they are too cowardly to confront.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.",
">\n\n“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed.",
">\n\nRolling my eyes so hard.. \"I just want people to see me\" then runs lol. Black lives matter was the biggest joke. I'm glad there are real black organizations hunting the scammed down.",
">\n\nDamn yellow journalism making a comeback huh?",
">\n\nThe man was running away from cops high as fuck and under the influence on multiple drugs.\nAlso, the founder's of BLM are a bunch of crooks. Fuck them for using donation funds to buy themselves mansions and whatnot instead of spending it towards their own cause they built. Sham.",
">\n\nwell that headline isn’t trying to rile people up at all.",
">\n\nCandace Owens is an insane anti-vaxxer. No one should be listening to anything she says.",
">\n\nim glad this is what america is, damn fine police work"
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Do yall think the cops are just like one giant AI brain?
Different states, different cities, different departments, different chiefs, different cops.
Even in the military you have cowardly commanders that refuse to make decisions and let decisions come from people under them who don't generally have the same information. Then you also have super genius Rambo-esque leaders who can maneuver 40 people around so well that the enemy believes they're going up against an entire tank squadron.
Also, I find it hard to believe that "just in an accident and begging for help" is what you took from this. And tase to death is a stretch, it isn't like having a gun shot wound. There isn't internal bleeding and the shock is low enough that it's unlikely to be lethal. Not impossible, but you're more likely to die from shocking yourself by touching a component of your phone with current running through it (this is why you generally always go to the ER after you get electrocuted at a certain level, even if you feel fine).
The guy was wildin' out, ran away. Made the situation chaotic and was very clearly resisting (it is super hard to hold people down unless you do something like put them in a submission, even with multiple people).
Taser was appropriate. Unfortunate that he died. It is what it is.
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.",
">\n\n“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed.",
">\n\nRolling my eyes so hard.. \"I just want people to see me\" then runs lol. Black lives matter was the biggest joke. I'm glad there are real black organizations hunting the scammed down.",
">\n\nDamn yellow journalism making a comeback huh?",
">\n\nThe man was running away from cops high as fuck and under the influence on multiple drugs.\nAlso, the founder's of BLM are a bunch of crooks. Fuck them for using donation funds to buy themselves mansions and whatnot instead of spending it towards their own cause they built. Sham.",
">\n\nwell that headline isn’t trying to rile people up at all.",
">\n\nCandace Owens is an insane anti-vaxxer. No one should be listening to anything she says.",
">\n\nim glad this is what america is, damn fine police work",
">\n\nTase this guy to death who was just in an accident and begging for help but the guy who is murdering children, they are too cowardly to confront."
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.",
">\n\n“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed.",
">\n\nRolling my eyes so hard.. \"I just want people to see me\" then runs lol. Black lives matter was the biggest joke. I'm glad there are real black organizations hunting the scammed down.",
">\n\nDamn yellow journalism making a comeback huh?",
">\n\nThe man was running away from cops high as fuck and under the influence on multiple drugs.\nAlso, the founder's of BLM are a bunch of crooks. Fuck them for using donation funds to buy themselves mansions and whatnot instead of spending it towards their own cause they built. Sham.",
">\n\nwell that headline isn’t trying to rile people up at all.",
">\n\nCandace Owens is an insane anti-vaxxer. No one should be listening to anything she says.",
">\n\nim glad this is what america is, damn fine police work",
">\n\nTase this guy to death who was just in an accident and begging for help but the guy who is murdering children, they are too cowardly to confront.",
">\n\nDo yall think the cops are just like one giant AI brain?\nDifferent states, different cities, different departments, different chiefs, different cops.\nEven in the military you have cowardly commanders that refuse to make decisions and let decisions come from people under them who don't generally have the same information. Then you also have super genius Rambo-esque leaders who can maneuver 40 people around so well that the enemy believes they're going up against an entire tank squadron.\nAlso, I find it hard to believe that \"just in an accident and begging for help\" is what you took from this. And tase to death is a stretch, it isn't like having a gun shot wound. There isn't internal bleeding and the shock is low enough that it's unlikely to be lethal. Not impossible, but you're more likely to die from shocking yourself by touching a component of your phone with current running through it (this is why you generally always go to the ER after you get electrocuted at a certain level, even if you feel fine).\nThe guy was wildin' out, ran away. Made the situation chaotic and was very clearly resisting (it is super hard to hold people down unless you do something like put them in a submission, even with multiple people).\nTaser was appropriate. Unfortunate that he died. It is what it is."
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.",
">\n\n“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed.",
">\n\nRolling my eyes so hard.. \"I just want people to see me\" then runs lol. Black lives matter was the biggest joke. I'm glad there are real black organizations hunting the scammed down.",
">\n\nDamn yellow journalism making a comeback huh?",
">\n\nThe man was running away from cops high as fuck and under the influence on multiple drugs.\nAlso, the founder's of BLM are a bunch of crooks. Fuck them for using donation funds to buy themselves mansions and whatnot instead of spending it towards their own cause they built. Sham.",
">\n\nwell that headline isn’t trying to rile people up at all.",
">\n\nCandace Owens is an insane anti-vaxxer. No one should be listening to anything she says.",
">\n\nim glad this is what america is, damn fine police work",
">\n\nTase this guy to death who was just in an accident and begging for help but the guy who is murdering children, they are too cowardly to confront.",
">\n\nDo yall think the cops are just like one giant AI brain?\nDifferent states, different cities, different departments, different chiefs, different cops.\nEven in the military you have cowardly commanders that refuse to make decisions and let decisions come from people under them who don't generally have the same information. Then you also have super genius Rambo-esque leaders who can maneuver 40 people around so well that the enemy believes they're going up against an entire tank squadron.\nAlso, I find it hard to believe that \"just in an accident and begging for help\" is what you took from this. And tase to death is a stretch, it isn't like having a gun shot wound. There isn't internal bleeding and the shock is low enough that it's unlikely to be lethal. Not impossible, but you're more likely to die from shocking yourself by touching a component of your phone with current running through it (this is why you generally always go to the ER after you get electrocuted at a certain level, even if you feel fine).\nThe guy was wildin' out, ran away. Made the situation chaotic and was very clearly resisting (it is super hard to hold people down unless you do something like put them in a submission, even with multiple people).\nTaser was appropriate. Unfortunate that he died. It is what it is.",
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.",
">\n\n“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed.",
">\n\nRolling my eyes so hard.. \"I just want people to see me\" then runs lol. Black lives matter was the biggest joke. I'm glad there are real black organizations hunting the scammed down.",
">\n\nDamn yellow journalism making a comeback huh?",
">\n\nThe man was running away from cops high as fuck and under the influence on multiple drugs.\nAlso, the founder's of BLM are a bunch of crooks. Fuck them for using donation funds to buy themselves mansions and whatnot instead of spending it towards their own cause they built. Sham.",
">\n\nwell that headline isn’t trying to rile people up at all.",
">\n\nCandace Owens is an insane anti-vaxxer. No one should be listening to anything she says.",
">\n\nim glad this is what america is, damn fine police work",
">\n\nTase this guy to death who was just in an accident and begging for help but the guy who is murdering children, they are too cowardly to confront.",
">\n\nDo yall think the cops are just like one giant AI brain?\nDifferent states, different cities, different departments, different chiefs, different cops.\nEven in the military you have cowardly commanders that refuse to make decisions and let decisions come from people under them who don't generally have the same information. Then you also have super genius Rambo-esque leaders who can maneuver 40 people around so well that the enemy believes they're going up against an entire tank squadron.\nAlso, I find it hard to believe that \"just in an accident and begging for help\" is what you took from this. And tase to death is a stretch, it isn't like having a gun shot wound. There isn't internal bleeding and the shock is low enough that it's unlikely to be lethal. Not impossible, but you're more likely to die from shocking yourself by touching a component of your phone with current running through it (this is why you generally always go to the ER after you get electrocuted at a certain level, even if you feel fine).\nThe guy was wildin' out, ran away. Made the situation chaotic and was very clearly resisting (it is super hard to hold people down unless you do something like put them in a submission, even with multiple people).\nTaser was appropriate. Unfortunate that he died. It is what it is.",
">\n\n\"reddit-sucks-ass_\" it appears that you are part of the problem",
">\n\n30 seconds is drive stun mode with reduced power."
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.",
">\n\n“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed.",
">\n\nRolling my eyes so hard.. \"I just want people to see me\" then runs lol. Black lives matter was the biggest joke. I'm glad there are real black organizations hunting the scammed down.",
">\n\nDamn yellow journalism making a comeback huh?",
">\n\nThe man was running away from cops high as fuck and under the influence on multiple drugs.\nAlso, the founder's of BLM are a bunch of crooks. Fuck them for using donation funds to buy themselves mansions and whatnot instead of spending it towards their own cause they built. Sham.",
">\n\nwell that headline isn’t trying to rile people up at all.",
">\n\nCandace Owens is an insane anti-vaxxer. No one should be listening to anything she says.",
">\n\nim glad this is what america is, damn fine police work",
">\n\nTase this guy to death who was just in an accident and begging for help but the guy who is murdering children, they are too cowardly to confront.",
">\n\nDo yall think the cops are just like one giant AI brain?\nDifferent states, different cities, different departments, different chiefs, different cops.\nEven in the military you have cowardly commanders that refuse to make decisions and let decisions come from people under them who don't generally have the same information. Then you also have super genius Rambo-esque leaders who can maneuver 40 people around so well that the enemy believes they're going up against an entire tank squadron.\nAlso, I find it hard to believe that \"just in an accident and begging for help\" is what you took from this. And tase to death is a stretch, it isn't like having a gun shot wound. There isn't internal bleeding and the shock is low enough that it's unlikely to be lethal. Not impossible, but you're more likely to die from shocking yourself by touching a component of your phone with current running through it (this is why you generally always go to the ER after you get electrocuted at a certain level, even if you feel fine).\nThe guy was wildin' out, ran away. Made the situation chaotic and was very clearly resisting (it is super hard to hold people down unless you do something like put them in a submission, even with multiple people).\nTaser was appropriate. Unfortunate that he died. It is what it is.",
">\n\n\"reddit-sucks-ass_\" it appears that you are part of the problem",
">\n\n30 seconds is drive stun mode with reduced power.",
">\n\nPlus didn't he try to fight the officers?"
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"...and I was honestly surprised to see the restraint they had with initiating tazing him.\n\nFrom the article:\n\n...another Tased him for roughly 30 seconds straight before pausing and Tasing him again for five more seconds.",
">\n\nAs part of training/certification as an MP in the Army, I got tazed along with 50+ other guys from my unit and most of us responded similarly: instant muscle failure. But there were a couple dudes who were able to resist for surprisingly long periods of time.\nThe point I'm trying to make is that tasers affect folks differently so you're taught to apply the minimum period of shock necessary to subdue the suspect. The problem here though, is that with however much cocaine this dude had in his system, even 30 seconds of being tazed didn't subdue the guy.",
">\n\nUnfortunately, it also could have been straining his heart (along with the cocaine in his system), even if it wasn't causing the pain compliance response they wanted.",
">\n\nThe cops “said” prelim test showed drugs, I’ll wait until I hear from the coroner.",
">\n\nThe county coroner? The one that works with the PDs? That coroner? \nNarrator: He didn’t have to wait long",
">\n\nBlurg. I haven’t finished my coffee yet. But I stand by the spirit of my statement that until proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death.",
">\n\n\nuntil proven otherwise we shouldn’t be assuming that this guy was on drugs, or that drugs played a factor in his death\n\nThis is right answer.\nBut I have to admit I have some personal bias in this area because the few times I've been around folks who mixed cocaine and weed together, they exhibited the exact same paranoia and behavior as this man. In fact, those folks also ended up getting into car accidents while on that drug combo which is sort of a weird coincidence.",
">\n\nTbf, you don't have to be under the influence of drugs to be paranoid of the police.",
">\n\nTitles are hitting YouTube level now",
">\n\nAll it needs is the thumbnail with a YouTuber making the dumbest surprised face",
">\n\nDon’t forget a large red arrow and dumb words like “JUST HAPPENED!”",
">\n\nAnd a circle ⭕️ that highlights nothing",
">\n\nDid any of you watch the video? The guy was all over the place, talking nonsense. Couldn’t sit still. The officer speaking to him handled it as professionally as possible. Remained calm, tried to get him to sit still and cooperate for as long as possible. The dude was on drugs. Then he tries to walk away and that’s when the cops use necessary force. Four of them tried to talk to him and get him to stop struggling, none of them were overly aggressive. One cop even tells another to adjust his elbow so he doesn’t hurt him. After refusing to stop struggling, they FINALLY decide to tase him while verbally communicating the action. \nI know there are bad cops, but these guys aren’t. It’s just a sad situation all around.",
">\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \nBut when I watched this video I was sorta struck by how incredibly patient and calm the officer was during the initial exchange. Like when the officer told him to sit by the wall and the guy said that he instead wanted to sit on the sidewalk, the officer was cool with it. This isn't some cop on a power-trip, this is a cop who's willing to compromise and genuinely interested in trying to understand the guy ... all the way up until he ran off into traffic.\nI know folks on Reddit have a lot of opinions but what would you do differently if you were this officer? You're trying everything you can to get this man out of traffic but you're unable overpower that cocaine strength. So what do you do? Physically restrain him in the middle of the street? Wait until he feels ready to cooperate? Let him walk freely through traffic?\nI can agree that this officer chose an awful option but I think we also need to acknowledge there weren't really any good options available to begin with.",
">\n\n\nI've been watching a lot of \"Audit the Audit\" lately and it's sorta made me distrustful of law enforcement in general. \n\nDon't let it do that. The interactions on audit the audit are no a representative sample of police interaction. You generally need to be doing something wrong to get on that channel. Rarely is there just something going right being reviewed. \nUse the information from the channel to inform you of your rights but don't let it bias your view of any individual officer.",
">\n\nSo after watching parts of the Darrell Brooks trial, stuff like that has been showing up in my feed. \nOut of curiosity, I have watched several of those videos recently and I will say that one thing that really sets Audit the Audit apart from the other \"Audit\" channels is that he is actually \"Auditing\" the \"Auditors\" - in other words analyzing not just the law enforcement representative(s) in the encounter but the auditor as well.\nI've found that he has criticized them on several occasions, noting where they were wrong about certain laws/statutes or where they actually should have been more cooperative/calm.\nHe also takes the time to reference the relevant laws and codes to educate the viewer, rather than just letting the emotional high of \"putting law enforcement in its place\" or \"sticking it to the man\" that you see on a lot of other channels. \nBut I agree it would be easy to let yourself get the mindset that you can't trust any of them, and you have to really keep things in perspective.",
">\n\nI agree. Audit the Audit is a great channel. Educational, informative and objective. \nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on. Because of this the average video found on the channel should not be used to conclude that what the channel is displaying is typical or average behavior on behalf of police or citizens.",
">\n\n\nIt's also important to remember that the interactions posted because there is something interesting legally or interaction wise to comment on.\n\nI think that's something people are still getting used to. With the prevalence of pretty much anything on the internet, it's very easy to convince yourself something is much more common than it actually is.",
">\n\nI for one just don’t buy the narrative that these incidents don’t count just because they are statistically rare. They ARE happening every day in absolute numbers, and frankly I don’t give a damn about the percentages. Civil rights are not to be violated, PERIOD. I give no credit for “but that doesn’t usually happen”.",
">\n\nFrom what I can hear he crashed his car while high on coke running around telling people someone was after him and resisting arrest... What does skin colour mean here? Nothing at all\n\"Is it because I'm black????!!!\"\nNo it's because you are stupid",
">\n\nIt was because he was high.",
">\n\nYou can be high and not do stupid shit\nHe did stupid shit and got what he got",
">\n\nEveryone is different and drugs effect everyone differently. Saying \"you can be high and not do stupid shit\" is like saying \"you can run a 4 and a half minute mile\". Yeah, it's possible. That doesn't mean it's possible for everyone.",
">\n\nFor sure, drugs in an already unstable person is like a fire waiting to happen, always been like that and always will. How come no sane person would do that even on drugs? We both still here and probably did have some fun in the past but wasn't this stupid. Also it doesn't remove the fact he acted like a lunatic on the streets endagering other law abiding citizens, on drugs or not.",
">\n\nSo, looking at this from the perspective of a UK officer I have some thoughts. \nThis would likely have been treated as a case of ABD here, acute behavioural disorder, which is essentially a catch all term for when someone is expressing extremely erratic behaviour, whilst not always about 95% of the time this will be drug induced psychosis. \nFrom the body cam it’s clear the individual was suffering from drug induced psychosis, likely from the cocaine. \nAnyone whose ever had to deal with someone experiencing drug induced psychosis will know they become incredibly strong due to their body going into overdrive, so needing four officers to effect restraint is no surprise here. \nWhere things diverge, we are taught to treat ABD as a medical emergency as their body going into overdrive from the drugs usually results in cardiac arrest, as such first priority is to effect safe restraint, then get immediate medical help. \nTasering at that range would not be standard practice here in the UK, it would not achieve NMI and we are explicitly taught not to use taser as a compliance tool in the way it’s used in the US. \nThat being said there would be no issue tasering someone experiencing ABD at a range suitable for achieving NMI. \nHim dying hours later tracks with cases of ABD in the UK, after the period of extreme stress the heart is put under it gives out later, this has been observed several times with no involvement of a taser. \nAll in all this was a tragic outcome, I don’t fault any parties involved, but I think US authorities should start treating drug induced psychosis as a medical emergency primarily, same as it is in the UK. I also question the use of the taser, you likely had enough officers to effect restraint by force and using compliance methods on subjects experiencing psychosis is rarely effective, I don’t however feel this contributed to the outcome in a meaningful way. \nNMI - neru muscular incapacitation, if you see videos of someone being tasered and their whole body locks up then NMI has been achieved, for it to happen you need good connection on both probes and decent distance between the probes, distance that would not have been obtained at the range taser was utilised in the footage.",
">\n\nThank you for the thoughtful perspective. I often wonder what cops in other countries think about stories like this that come out of the US.",
">\n\nGenerally: \"How the fuck are they this bad at their jobs?\"",
">\n\nMostly \"I wouldn't want to be a cop when everyone can have a gun\". It changes everything.",
">\n\nITT: People who didn’t watch it the bodycam video. He crashed his car while high on coke and MJ, was running around saying people were trying to kill him, then ran from the cops and fights them.\nIt takes four officers to handcuff him. He gets tazed several times and is eventually handcuffed. He’s conscious snd breathing and gets taken to the hospital and has a medical emergency FOUR AND A HALF hours later and everyone in these comments are foaming at the mouth like it’s police brutality. The video is on LAPD’s YouTube channel.",
">\n\nOk, you want to get the suspect who is high on drugs under control.\nYou either use excessive force with the tazer or have multiple officers manhandle him potentially breaking or pulling something.\nIs there a third option when a guy is not in his senses and is running intro traffic and potentially causing an accident while screaming nonsense?",
">\n\nI was pissed until I watched the video. \nThat headline is what used to be referred to as \"yellow journalism.\"",
">\n\nCan you share a link to the video?",
">\n\nIt's in the comments",
">\n\nIsn’t the BLM organization extremely corrupt? The organization isn’t the same thing as the movement.",
">\n\nYep. You'd be correct",
">\n\nBlack Lives Matter founder should be in jail though, she took all the money and just kept it and bought herself nice houses.",
">\n\nSounds like a church pastor.",
">\n\nActual headline: Man crashes car, acts erratically when officers arrive, attempts to flee, resists officers and is tased- dies 4 hours later at hospital; happens to be the cousin of BLM founder.",
">\n\nMy guy tried all the keywords to save himself \"they're trying to George Floyd me\", \"they're trying to kill me \", while not listening to the cops, trying to run away.\nThis is why no one believes shit. Half the world isn't going to watch this video and just be outraged another black man died. \nFucking joke .",
">\n\nLook at these fucking comments. Nuance and critical thinking is dead in this country.",
">\n\nthey \"think\" with raw emotion. it's unnerving.",
">\n\nOP race baiting like crazy. Nice Karma farming there big guy",
">\n\nIt’s literally the title of the article though.",
">\n\nAnd the rules of the sub REQUIRE usage of the article’s title!",
">\n\nThere should be a rule that the title is of high quality.",
">\n\nThat burden sadly falls on the news outlets :/",
">\n\nThe organization Black Lives Matter it’s so corrupt, that it’s not surprising that this story is a click bait.",
">\n\nPerhaps, but its the fault of the corrupt The Guardian media outlet who is twisting this story into something it is not.",
">\n\nAnother shitty and completely misleading headline. These fuckers def want to start a war based on their headline choices",
">\n\nFrom the guardian's own article: The cause of death has not been released. Stfu about the person being tased to death then and fix the damn clickbait title.",
">\n\nThat’s what happens when you overdose on drugs…",
">\n\nThe people who think the cops are wrong here are delusional brainwashed fks",
">\n\nEveryone who read the article or watched the video is universally aligned with the police here.",
">\n\nIs The Guardian a tabloid paper? Because this isn't the first absolutely garbage headline I've seen from them.\nThe headline is misinformation and ragebait.",
">\n\nThe Guardian is like a left wing version of the daily mail.",
">\n\nThis story is bs and only here with this title to get people enraged over nothing.",
">\n\nWhat’s your opinion on who is enraged by this headline.\nI wasn’t enraged or surprised when I read it. Watched the video then came to the comments. Then I became enraged at how many people think this guy was treated incorrectly after driving under the influence, getting in a wreck, trying to flee the scene of an accident the resisting arrest.",
">\n\nI think it was intended to get people enraged. If it has overall had that effect I'm not sure but the title definitely doesn't accurately describe the article or situation. It was likely intended to get the left angry and the right to defend it causing further anger and discourse over a half truth or whole lie. If this wasn't meant to spark unnecessary controversy, then I don't know what does.",
">\n\nA scam organisation - Black Lives Matter. From the money siphoned off buying houses, paying family members huge sums to simply taking cash. Anything coming from this criminal organisation, I'd assume is a campaign for funds.",
">\n\nAfter watching the video, what actually happened is NOT the tone the writer is setting. He was high off his rocker on pcp(what caused the crash to begin with), bystanders were shouting at him that they were watching and to comply to the officer who actually sounded like a good man trying to help him until he went crazy. They used non lethal means when they had to...but hearts pumped out on drugs are already stressed unfortunately. The Moral of this story is: Dont do drugs and drive!",
">\n\nFIFY: High af Crackhead has car accident and won't obey police, tries to flee and fight and gets tazed. Crackhead dies. No one cares. Don't do crack and drive.",
">\n\nThe title is inaccurate and designed to cause outrage where there shouldn't be any. I am shocked, bazinga!",
">\n\nThis guy could of killed someone that was actually innocent just being behind the wheel of his car. Fuck him.",
">\n\nThat's sad. But what's even more sad is how BLM screwed everyone out of 80 Million Dollars! Didn't help any Black people other then themselves, and their immediate Family.",
">\n\nAnd this is relevant to this guy dying how exactly? Let’s keep it on topic here. BLM the organization being corrupt is a different discussion.",
">\n\nOh, but it's such a great opportunity to pile on and be racist without being racist!",
">\n\nHe died of an overdose. He was fucked on drugs. This was the one cop that I wouldn't mind pulling me over, he was very polite and professional, let's not throw the good ones under the bus because of some shithead.",
">\n\nCocaine is a hell of a drug",
">\n\nHe was the master of his own fate",
">\n\nI’m absolutely willing to give the benefit of the doubt to victims whenever possible but this seems fairly benign",
">\n\nThat’s a sad, twisted headline trying to add fuel to the narrative. Get it together media",
">\n\nLook, another bullshit headline and Reddit...",
">\n\nAbsolutely awful headline. Straight lie. Dude was on every drug imaginable and that’s what caused him to suffer cardiac arrest. SMH",
">\n\nah yes, the guardian.... i already had theguardian in my website blocklist. 90% of their 'articles' are embelished, or clickbait, or just plain false.",
">\n\nFun fact for you kids, when you run from the police it looks suspicious. Don't do it.",
">\n\nHe was in a car accident too. He could have received a blow to his head that resulted in his erratic behavior and death.",
">\n\nLooks to me like someone resisting, not abiding by simple instructions, extremely erratic.",
">\n\nPutting out trash headlines like this....no wonder The Guardian is constantly begging for money.\nThey deserve to go under.",
">\n\n\n\nThis isn't a george floyd situation.\n\n\nThe guy is yelling they are trying to george floyd me in the video though, which is just stupid.",
">\n\nSo you have a possibility mentality ill or high or both guy that is endangering people’s lives, flees into traffic when he’s told to just sit down, keeps freaking out and resisting while being threatened multiple times with a taser. Gets tased, doesn’t seem to have as much of an initial affect on him (cocaine?) he dies hours after being tased. \nBad luck for him, but the police did nothing wrong.",
">\n\nNice headline, designed to enrage. Now what’s the rest of the story?",
">\n\nDont do drugs. They have consequences. Sometimes death may occur. Moving on.",
">\n\nWell, I guess we need to wait for all the evidence, but his actions are that of a guy on drugs, and committed a crime. Even the guy in the background is heard say that he tried to steal his car. The cop initially passed him by when he said he needed help, and then went back to him when the crowd of people said, “that’s the guy”. The cop also tried to accommodate this guy as well as any cop should be expected to. He gave the guy every chance to not get hurt.",
">\n\nThe video is one last lesson he taught his students…\n-Don’t do drugs.\n-Don’t drive high where you could potentially injure or kill others.\n-Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident.\n-Don’t resist arrest.\n-Don’t have it be your actions that bring additional attention to an organization that is corrupt and a huge disappointment to the people they supposedly support.",
">\n\nWas high on drugs then tried to flee. Open and shut",
">\n\nDidn't the founder end up embezzling a ton of money and buying a mansion and shit?\nHumans are fucked up. All sides.",
">\n\nThe organization bought a $6.5 million house in Southern California in October 2020. They claim it’s housing for recipients of the Black Joy Creators Fellowship. So that one’s not used as a private residence. She also spent a total of $3.2 million to buy homes in Georgia, Topanga Canyon, South LA and Inglewood. There’s no evidence as of right now that these houses were purchased using organization funds. The families of victims of police violence were mad at the organization for raising all this money and then failing to assist them. \nSource\nAccording to this though, she did admit to using the $6 million home for personal parties twice. But that doesn’t seem to be a problem as long as she doesn’t live there.",
">\n\nThis title REALLY leans towards one direction...",
">\n\nI was going to clean my room but then I got I high, chased by cops, and suffered heart failure.",
">\n\nSad to think this was someone allowed to teach kids.",
">\n\n“Tased to death.” Yea, ok.",
">\n\nHow do editors read this article, read the title, then watch the video and read the fact sheet about this case and say, \"this article is good to go\"",
">\n\nActually, I saw a video of the incident before seeing this post, and the officer seemed to do everything possible to try and work with the guy. He wouldn’t listen, seemed paranoid (likely on drugs), and started to run. The officer was speaking very calmly and respectfully. In the end, before the officer tazed him, he warned him like 5 times. I don’t think this is a good example of a “bad cop.”",
">\n\nBLM is a joke. A money laundering scheme pretty much, taking advantage of people's feelings.",
">\n\nHe died from the drugs, idiots",
">\n\nI hate how always after these murders the police chiefs immediately cover for the cops, trying to twist the narrative to make it seem like the cops had no choice but to kill the suspect, or like whatever the cops did wasn't a factor in the victim's death. \n\nLAPD chief Michel Moore said in a news conference that Anderson was behaving “erratic” and suffered a “medical emergency” and claimed that a preliminary blood test revealed cannabis and cocaine in his system. A formal cause of death, however, has not been determined, and advocates have criticized the department for releasing that information and suggesting drug use was related to his death.\n...\n“It’s unclear what role the physical struggle with the officers and the use of the Taser played in his unfortunate death.” He claimed Anderson was in an “altered mental state” and that as the investigation continues, “I will play close attention to the use of the Taser.”",
">\n\nI hate how uniformed redditors also immediately jump to conclusions and speculation. Watch the body cam footage and tell me you truly believe the officers involved did anything unreasonable.",
">\n\nIt looked like he was on drugs and seemed to think this was a part of a YouTube video. It’s is sad to see it happen.",
">\n\n“he went into cardiac arrest four and a half hours later and died.”\nI think whatever he was on killed him. Hate cops but video showed so much restraint on initial officer actually. If he died on scene then he was tazed to death, very misleading headline",
">\n\nTerrible, misleading title.",
">\n\nI've learned to ignore every article that says Black Lives Matter when they meant the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.",
">\n\nJudging by the video report sounds like the victim had weed laced with Cocaine and had a horrible reaction, but the entire ordeal still seems very fishy. He was yelling about doing a \"stunt on YouTube \", \"they're trying to sedate/kill me\", \"I know too much\", etc.",
">\n\nThis kind of irresponsible reporting is what helped the Kenosha protests get so out of hand. Disgusting.",
">\n\nKarma for misusing millions of donations \nfor their sham “not for profit”. Classic case of nepotism.",
">\n\nHe was on drugs causing issues and complications when he was tazed. Fix the headline",
">\n\nThat is too bad. A relative of BLM founder would normally have been protected living in a BLM paid for mansion eating Gourmet paid for by BLM contributors receiving top notch massages hookers and blow from BLM corporate sponsors.",
">\n\nYeah clickbait here once again proving there's no difference between what the Democrats and the Republicans say. Couldn't have anything to do with being in the hospital for a week after doing so much drugs that he couldn't put a sentence together. Why didn't someone mark this as clickbait or inaccurate title.",
">\n\nThe cocaine didn't help him any.",
">\n\nAnyone who thinks the police where wrong in this instance has either A) not watched bodycam footage or lifted a finger to do any sort of research into what happened, or B) is as coked out of their mind as the suspect was in this case.",
">\n\nBecause of all the coke he did",
">\n\nI hate the police as a whole. Are there good ones? Sure. As a white woman with only minor traffic violations, the police I've personally encountered have been quite nice, actually. Had one helped me tow my car personally at 4 am. Another one calmed me down after a hit and run. Two calmed my sister out of a suicidal rage. I recognize that there are plenty who get in for the right reasons. But a very, very large amount are awful, like we see a lot lately. \nAll that said: these cops did the best they could. They were trying to help him. He was acting dangerously to himself and others. He didn't try to de escalate when they did. Cocaine is awful like that. Its likely that even if they hadn't tased him, he would have suffered from cardiac arrest. Or ran into traffic and gotten hit. Or successfully hijacked a car and wrecked it. Nuance is really important and in this case, they did the best they could.",
">\n\nWhy do you hate the police as a whole? Your interactions have been overly positive and the vast, vast, vast majority of all civilan and police interactions do not result in anything the media loves to shove in front of us as being 'excessive'. Like, it's so comical at this point (look at how misconstrued this article even is) that most media outlets are straight up entertainment, not news.\nI mean, shit, the number of teachers sexually abusing children, according to how often it happens as per the 'media', should certainly have you hating on teachers too.\nBetter yet, look at all the misdiagnosis by medical professionals, leading to 40-80k deaths per year. We should be 'hating' them too. Jerks",
">\n\nMe when I spread misinformation on the internet",
">\n\nI know for most people these media outlets are their only source of reality and I do enjoy when it reports yet another proof that humans simply gamble with emotions and intelligence.",
">\n\nWell this certainty won't lead to jumps in conclusions and divisive arguments based on internal bias's. Why wait for everything to be investigated and confirmed.",
">\n\n“Taser to death” ? Wtf is that headline. Watch the video. The Guardian should be ashamed.",
">\n\nRolling my eyes so hard.. \"I just want people to see me\" then runs lol. Black lives matter was the biggest joke. I'm glad there are real black organizations hunting the scammed down.",
">\n\nDamn yellow journalism making a comeback huh?",
">\n\nThe man was running away from cops high as fuck and under the influence on multiple drugs.\nAlso, the founder's of BLM are a bunch of crooks. Fuck them for using donation funds to buy themselves mansions and whatnot instead of spending it towards their own cause they built. Sham.",
">\n\nwell that headline isn’t trying to rile people up at all.",
">\n\nCandace Owens is an insane anti-vaxxer. No one should be listening to anything she says.",
">\n\nim glad this is what america is, damn fine police work",
">\n\nTase this guy to death who was just in an accident and begging for help but the guy who is murdering children, they are too cowardly to confront.",
">\n\nDo yall think the cops are just like one giant AI brain?\nDifferent states, different cities, different departments, different chiefs, different cops.\nEven in the military you have cowardly commanders that refuse to make decisions and let decisions come from people under them who don't generally have the same information. Then you also have super genius Rambo-esque leaders who can maneuver 40 people around so well that the enemy believes they're going up against an entire tank squadron.\nAlso, I find it hard to believe that \"just in an accident and begging for help\" is what you took from this. And tase to death is a stretch, it isn't like having a gun shot wound. There isn't internal bleeding and the shock is low enough that it's unlikely to be lethal. Not impossible, but you're more likely to die from shocking yourself by touching a component of your phone with current running through it (this is why you generally always go to the ER after you get electrocuted at a certain level, even if you feel fine).\nThe guy was wildin' out, ran away. Made the situation chaotic and was very clearly resisting (it is super hard to hold people down unless you do something like put them in a submission, even with multiple people).\nTaser was appropriate. Unfortunate that he died. It is what it is.",
">\n\n\"reddit-sucks-ass_\" it appears that you are part of the problem",
">\n\n30 seconds is drive stun mode with reduced power.",
">\n\nPlus didn't he try to fight the officers?",
">\n\nwhat was BLM?\ndid soros really create it to control black narrative"
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I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.
This is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.
Looks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts
I hope she took him to the cleaners.
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Musk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people
For example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever
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"I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners."
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Basically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.
Or that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.
P.S. (ed): That some still try to say "both sides do it" shows how well the background propaganda works.
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"I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.",
">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever"
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Remember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?
yeah.
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"I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.",
">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever",
">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works."
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I dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that "it gets results".
While I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.
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"I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.",
">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever",
">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.",
">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah."
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I've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.
And then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.
It doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.
I just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.
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"I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.",
">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever",
">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.",
">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.",
">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet."
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Not every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many "successful" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent.
Example, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place.
It's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.
Just look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of "it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.
Again, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.
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"I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.",
">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever",
">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.",
">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.",
">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.",
">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people."
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“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”
same people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”
honestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently
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"I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.",
">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever",
">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.",
">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.",
">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.",
">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.",
">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft."
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same people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”
Hearing idiots claiming that "we're paying people not to work" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.
They don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.
The vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.
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[
"I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.",
">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever",
">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.",
">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.",
">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.",
">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.",
">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.",
">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently"
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Elon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.
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[
"I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.",
">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever",
">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.",
">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.",
">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.",
">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.",
">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.",
">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently",
">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses."
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Seems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally.
Perhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions).
|
[
"I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.",
">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever",
">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.",
">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.",
">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.",
">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.",
">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.",
">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently",
">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.",
">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it."
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The team has advised him, that's why he fired them.
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[
"I may have just missed it, but I'm surprised about how little exposure this story got.\nThis is an individual dunking on Elon's decision to try to fire people based on not responding to an email.\nLooks like the matter has been settled outside of the courts\nI hope she took him to the cleaners.",
">\n\nMusk is pretty good at directing public narrative. Less so recently than in the past, but it still works out in his favor a lot. Whenever any negative stories about him are about to come out (that he's aware of) he will make grandiose claims that draw attention and distract people\nFor example, whenever you see him talk about some wild new feature for his twitter and see every outlet reporting on how dumb a feature like that would be, go look around what other news story came out about him that day. The last few times it was always when updates about his multiple lawsuits were getting reported on that suspiciously he did some stupid shit with twitter like saying he'll implement 40000 character limits or whatever",
">\n\nBasically like the right-wing in the USA, who can fabricate a scandal on the spot, to distract from whatever real, actually happening right-now issue there is.\nOr that can create an instant controversy to, again, distract from what their political opponent are saying at the moment. Suddenly, no one talks about that very important speech, that much anticipated announcement. People only remember the new controversy that suddenly erupted into public conscience.\nP.S. (ed): That some still try to say \"both sides do it\" shows how well the background propaganda works.",
">\n\nRemember when Musk was contacted by journalists to talk about a sexual assault allegation against him and 1 day before HE KNEW THE ARTICLES ABOUT THAT WERE GONNA COME OUT he publicly declared himself a republican?\nyeah.",
">\n\nI dated an interesting person once that had less than honorable scruples. Upon posing the question as to why, they told me simply that \"it gets results\". \nWhile I'm glad to have no contact with them now days, I cant help but notice their life has indeed been more lucrative as of yet.",
">\n\nI've come to have the impression that the worst people appear to be more successful: i.e., you need to be a heatless sociopath to rise up the corporate ladder.\nAnd then they look down on you for simply working in your field to do stuff you love and not be craving to get that next promotion.\nIt doesn't mean one doesn't want to have a say in how things run, but, as an example, in a competition to become the new team lead it's not the most qualified person that always win, but the one what wants it the most.\nI just find it disturbing to hear someone boasting about liking to be the new boss because (s)he can now fire people. Instead of wanting to build something, too many just want to hurt other people.",
">\n\nNot every business owner is like this, but I have met far too many \"successful\" business owners whose secret sauce is being unscrupulous / fraudulent. \nExample, a guy who owns a medical device company that bills / ships the more profitable $200 specialty catheters instead of the actually appropriate $10 ones (I don't recall the exact numbers, but it's in the ballpark). There is supposed to be documentation proving the need before Medicare reimburses, but until last year they weren't actually checking to make sure the documentation was in place. \nIt's only now slightly catching up to him because Medicare is clawing back the funds if there isn't a documented need, but they can only go back 3 years and this guy has been doing it for far longer. But that's it, he's just getting the money taken back.\nJust look at all the people who filed for ppp loans during the pandemic. How many said something along the lines of \"it's free money, I would be stupid not to take it\" even when their business didn't need it? They don't give a shit that someone else's business, who legitimately needed the money at the time, went under because there weren't any funds left.\nAgain, not every business owner is like this. But I'd bet good money that any who are rabid Trump supporters have shady shit going on in their businesses and want people like Trump to continue gutting the departments who might actually stop their graft.",
">\n\n\n“it’s free money, I would be stupid not to take it”\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass” \nhonestly i would much rather my money go towards helping individuals through social programs than bailing out corporations, but that’s a very radical concept to some apparently",
">\n\n\nsame people who are against social programs because it’s just “giving money to people so they can sit on their ass”\n\nHearing idiots claiming that \"we're paying people not to work\" always ignore the fact that these programmes have come to an end, that they were put in place to keep the economy going during the worse of the still on-going pandemic.\nThey don't even realise that things would have been worse if either people would have had to stay home with no revenue or if people would have been forced to be out in public whilst the virus was spreading like wildfire. You can't have a consumer-based economy if people don't have money to spend or if you don't have consumers, period.\nThe vast majority of right-wingers are like toddlers, never thinking things through, who can't see beyond the tip of their noses.",
">\n\nElon thought he could run roughshod over his UK employees because the US allows it.",
">\n\nSeems Elon doesn’t respect or understand the law as well as he should when operating a business internationally. \nPerhaps he also fired the legal team who would have advised him that the UK and the EU operate under much different labor and employment laws than the US, expanding worker protections for layoffs (called redundancy actions)."
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