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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies."
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Moral high ground and stuff
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor"
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff"
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression"
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Season 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!"
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Just finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine."
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Same! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013"
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People making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony.
The risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes"
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they won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,"
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat."
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Seems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה"
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Outside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening"
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Good, last thing we need is another Russia
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?"
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The nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia"
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Lesser of the 2 evils 😈?
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious."
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On the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow.
Countries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying.
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?"
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In this case the aggression is coming from Iran towards a nuclear-armed country, so it's not that simple.
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?",
">\n\nOn the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow. \nCountries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?",
">\n\nOn the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow. \nCountries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying.",
">\n\nIn this case the aggression is coming from Iran towards a nuclear-armed country, so it's not that simple."
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Really? Did we provoke them to start funding murderous antisemites around here?
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?",
">\n\nOn the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow. \nCountries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying.",
">\n\nIn this case the aggression is coming from Iran towards a nuclear-armed country, so it's not that simple.",
">\n\n\ncoming from Iran \n\nNo, it's not. Quite clearly."
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Hopefully with this WW the racists and religious zealots will either calm tf down or be eliminated altogether.
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?",
">\n\nOn the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow. \nCountries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying.",
">\n\nIn this case the aggression is coming from Iran towards a nuclear-armed country, so it's not that simple.",
">\n\n\ncoming from Iran \n\nNo, it's not. Quite clearly.",
">\n\nReally? Did we provoke them to start funding murderous antisemites around here?"
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NATO is a force to be reckoned with, but if things are shaping up to have conflict on 3 fronts, with 3 separate enemies all of whom are attacking on their own respective fronts, NATO's number strength might not be as great as people like to believe.
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?",
">\n\nOn the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow. \nCountries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying.",
">\n\nIn this case the aggression is coming from Iran towards a nuclear-armed country, so it's not that simple.",
">\n\n\ncoming from Iran \n\nNo, it's not. Quite clearly.",
">\n\nReally? Did we provoke them to start funding murderous antisemites around here?",
">\n\nHopefully with this WW the racists and religious zealots will either calm tf down or be eliminated altogether."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?",
">\n\nOn the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow. \nCountries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying.",
">\n\nIn this case the aggression is coming from Iran towards a nuclear-armed country, so it's not that simple.",
">\n\n\ncoming from Iran \n\nNo, it's not. Quite clearly.",
">\n\nReally? Did we provoke them to start funding murderous antisemites around here?",
">\n\nHopefully with this WW the racists and religious zealots will either calm tf down or be eliminated altogether.",
">\n\nNATO is a force to be reckoned with, but if things are shaping up to have conflict on 3 fronts, with 3 separate enemies all of whom are attacking on their own respective fronts, NATO's number strength might not be as great as people like to believe."
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Nothing yet, but I can see how this could progress with Russia-Ukraine (possibly pulling Belarus in) China-Taiwan, Iran (and possibly Palestine joining)-Israel (if Israel takes up arms against Iran, they will certainly retaliate) so the flow chart I'm seeing here is,
Israel engages Iran, as a non NATO member with special member benefits, could pull NATO in, if that happens China could see the opportunity to attack Taiwan (a non NATO state but whom the US has pledged assistance in the event of an attack). North Korea could take the US's diverted man power and open up artillery on South Korea, possibly Japan (I'm not sure of their membership, but I don't think Japan is in NATO, I'll check after this) that would leave the bulk of the US response unavailable if Russia and Belarus push hard into Ukraine, from there Moldova, and other non NATO states in the immediate area,
The 3 main nations in this have stood pretty strong together recently. And I believe could/would absolutely take advantage of any instability. I don't believe NATO can preemptively fire nuclear weapons, if that's the case, the opposing forces need only stick to conventional weapons.
Japan is not a NATO member, but has an agreement between Japan and US.
NATO renounced nuclear first strike policies
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?",
">\n\nOn the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow. \nCountries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying.",
">\n\nIn this case the aggression is coming from Iran towards a nuclear-armed country, so it's not that simple.",
">\n\n\ncoming from Iran \n\nNo, it's not. Quite clearly.",
">\n\nReally? Did we provoke them to start funding murderous antisemites around here?",
">\n\nHopefully with this WW the racists and religious zealots will either calm tf down or be eliminated altogether.",
">\n\nNATO is a force to be reckoned with, but if things are shaping up to have conflict on 3 fronts, with 3 separate enemies all of whom are attacking on their own respective fronts, NATO's number strength might not be as great as people like to believe.",
">\n\nWhat other conflict is NATO involved in?"
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that would leave the bulk of the US response unavailable if Russia and Belarus push hard into Ukraine, from there Moldova
Lol. Are you really going to pretend Russia hasn't been "pushing hard into Ukraine?"
The rest of what you wrote is not much better.
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?",
">\n\nOn the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow. \nCountries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying.",
">\n\nIn this case the aggression is coming from Iran towards a nuclear-armed country, so it's not that simple.",
">\n\n\ncoming from Iran \n\nNo, it's not. Quite clearly.",
">\n\nReally? Did we provoke them to start funding murderous antisemites around here?",
">\n\nHopefully with this WW the racists and religious zealots will either calm tf down or be eliminated altogether.",
">\n\nNATO is a force to be reckoned with, but if things are shaping up to have conflict on 3 fronts, with 3 separate enemies all of whom are attacking on their own respective fronts, NATO's number strength might not be as great as people like to believe.",
">\n\nWhat other conflict is NATO involved in?",
">\n\nNothing yet, but I can see how this could progress with Russia-Ukraine (possibly pulling Belarus in) China-Taiwan, Iran (and possibly Palestine joining)-Israel (if Israel takes up arms against Iran, they will certainly retaliate) so the flow chart I'm seeing here is, \nIsrael engages Iran, as a non NATO member with special member benefits, could pull NATO in, if that happens China could see the opportunity to attack Taiwan (a non NATO state but whom the US has pledged assistance in the event of an attack). North Korea could take the US's diverted man power and open up artillery on South Korea, possibly Japan (I'm not sure of their membership, but I don't think Japan is in NATO, I'll check after this) that would leave the bulk of the US response unavailable if Russia and Belarus push hard into Ukraine, from there Moldova, and other non NATO states in the immediate area, \nThe 3 main nations in this have stood pretty strong together recently. And I believe could/would absolutely take advantage of any instability. I don't believe NATO can preemptively fire nuclear weapons, if that's the case, the opposing forces need only stick to conventional weapons.\nJapan is not a NATO member, but has an agreement between Japan and US.\nNATO renounced nuclear first strike policies"
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I knew a couple relatives of the Shah when I lived in Los Angeles, one of them, a middle aged man said to me, he was very upset, "do not let them get nuclear technology, they are all insane and will destroy the world" then he opened a safe behind his desk and set stacks of hundred dollar bills on his desk, made two equal piles, do not talk to anyone, I'm flying to Iran tomorrow, to give the "resistance" one of these piles of money, I'll only be gone one day, hold down the fort for me. He was back, a full day later, mission accomplished. Something is wrong with my reddit account, my user name is "SirGlenn" but this "puzzleheadedsand" has been in some of my header lines?
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?",
">\n\nOn the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow. \nCountries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying.",
">\n\nIn this case the aggression is coming from Iran towards a nuclear-armed country, so it's not that simple.",
">\n\n\ncoming from Iran \n\nNo, it's not. Quite clearly.",
">\n\nReally? Did we provoke them to start funding murderous antisemites around here?",
">\n\nHopefully with this WW the racists and religious zealots will either calm tf down or be eliminated altogether.",
">\n\nNATO is a force to be reckoned with, but if things are shaping up to have conflict on 3 fronts, with 3 separate enemies all of whom are attacking on their own respective fronts, NATO's number strength might not be as great as people like to believe.",
">\n\nWhat other conflict is NATO involved in?",
">\n\nNothing yet, but I can see how this could progress with Russia-Ukraine (possibly pulling Belarus in) China-Taiwan, Iran (and possibly Palestine joining)-Israel (if Israel takes up arms against Iran, they will certainly retaliate) so the flow chart I'm seeing here is, \nIsrael engages Iran, as a non NATO member with special member benefits, could pull NATO in, if that happens China could see the opportunity to attack Taiwan (a non NATO state but whom the US has pledged assistance in the event of an attack). North Korea could take the US's diverted man power and open up artillery on South Korea, possibly Japan (I'm not sure of their membership, but I don't think Japan is in NATO, I'll check after this) that would leave the bulk of the US response unavailable if Russia and Belarus push hard into Ukraine, from there Moldova, and other non NATO states in the immediate area, \nThe 3 main nations in this have stood pretty strong together recently. And I believe could/would absolutely take advantage of any instability. I don't believe NATO can preemptively fire nuclear weapons, if that's the case, the opposing forces need only stick to conventional weapons.\nJapan is not a NATO member, but has an agreement between Japan and US.\nNATO renounced nuclear first strike policies",
">\n\n\nthat would leave the bulk of the US response unavailable if Russia and Belarus push hard into Ukraine, from there Moldova\n\nLol. Are you really going to pretend Russia hasn't been \"pushing hard into Ukraine?\"\nThe rest of what you wrote is not much better."
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?",
">\n\nOn the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow. \nCountries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying.",
">\n\nIn this case the aggression is coming from Iran towards a nuclear-armed country, so it's not that simple.",
">\n\n\ncoming from Iran \n\nNo, it's not. Quite clearly.",
">\n\nReally? Did we provoke them to start funding murderous antisemites around here?",
">\n\nHopefully with this WW the racists and religious zealots will either calm tf down or be eliminated altogether.",
">\n\nNATO is a force to be reckoned with, but if things are shaping up to have conflict on 3 fronts, with 3 separate enemies all of whom are attacking on their own respective fronts, NATO's number strength might not be as great as people like to believe.",
">\n\nWhat other conflict is NATO involved in?",
">\n\nNothing yet, but I can see how this could progress with Russia-Ukraine (possibly pulling Belarus in) China-Taiwan, Iran (and possibly Palestine joining)-Israel (if Israel takes up arms against Iran, they will certainly retaliate) so the flow chart I'm seeing here is, \nIsrael engages Iran, as a non NATO member with special member benefits, could pull NATO in, if that happens China could see the opportunity to attack Taiwan (a non NATO state but whom the US has pledged assistance in the event of an attack). North Korea could take the US's diverted man power and open up artillery on South Korea, possibly Japan (I'm not sure of their membership, but I don't think Japan is in NATO, I'll check after this) that would leave the bulk of the US response unavailable if Russia and Belarus push hard into Ukraine, from there Moldova, and other non NATO states in the immediate area, \nThe 3 main nations in this have stood pretty strong together recently. And I believe could/would absolutely take advantage of any instability. I don't believe NATO can preemptively fire nuclear weapons, if that's the case, the opposing forces need only stick to conventional weapons.\nJapan is not a NATO member, but has an agreement between Japan and US.\nNATO renounced nuclear first strike policies",
">\n\n\nthat would leave the bulk of the US response unavailable if Russia and Belarus push hard into Ukraine, from there Moldova\n\nLol. Are you really going to pretend Russia hasn't been \"pushing hard into Ukraine?\"\nThe rest of what you wrote is not much better.",
">\n\nI knew a couple relatives of the Shah when I lived in Los Angeles, one of them, a middle aged man said to me, he was very upset, \"do not let them get nuclear technology, they are all insane and will destroy the world\" then he opened a safe behind his desk and set stacks of hundred dollar bills on his desk, made two equal piles, do not talk to anyone, I'm flying to Iran tomorrow, to give the \"resistance\" one of these piles of money, I'll only be gone one day, hold down the fort for me. He was back, a full day later, mission accomplished. Something is wrong with my reddit account, my user name is \"SirGlenn\" but this \"puzzleheadedsand\" has been in some of my header lines?"
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?",
">\n\nOn the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow. \nCountries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying.",
">\n\nIn this case the aggression is coming from Iran towards a nuclear-armed country, so it's not that simple.",
">\n\n\ncoming from Iran \n\nNo, it's not. Quite clearly.",
">\n\nReally? Did we provoke them to start funding murderous antisemites around here?",
">\n\nHopefully with this WW the racists and religious zealots will either calm tf down or be eliminated altogether.",
">\n\nNATO is a force to be reckoned with, but if things are shaping up to have conflict on 3 fronts, with 3 separate enemies all of whom are attacking on their own respective fronts, NATO's number strength might not be as great as people like to believe.",
">\n\nWhat other conflict is NATO involved in?",
">\n\nNothing yet, but I can see how this could progress with Russia-Ukraine (possibly pulling Belarus in) China-Taiwan, Iran (and possibly Palestine joining)-Israel (if Israel takes up arms against Iran, they will certainly retaliate) so the flow chart I'm seeing here is, \nIsrael engages Iran, as a non NATO member with special member benefits, could pull NATO in, if that happens China could see the opportunity to attack Taiwan (a non NATO state but whom the US has pledged assistance in the event of an attack). North Korea could take the US's diverted man power and open up artillery on South Korea, possibly Japan (I'm not sure of their membership, but I don't think Japan is in NATO, I'll check after this) that would leave the bulk of the US response unavailable if Russia and Belarus push hard into Ukraine, from there Moldova, and other non NATO states in the immediate area, \nThe 3 main nations in this have stood pretty strong together recently. And I believe could/would absolutely take advantage of any instability. I don't believe NATO can preemptively fire nuclear weapons, if that's the case, the opposing forces need only stick to conventional weapons.\nJapan is not a NATO member, but has an agreement between Japan and US.\nNATO renounced nuclear first strike policies",
">\n\n\nthat would leave the bulk of the US response unavailable if Russia and Belarus push hard into Ukraine, from there Moldova\n\nLol. Are you really going to pretend Russia hasn't been \"pushing hard into Ukraine?\"\nThe rest of what you wrote is not much better.",
">\n\nI knew a couple relatives of the Shah when I lived in Los Angeles, one of them, a middle aged man said to me, he was very upset, \"do not let them get nuclear technology, they are all insane and will destroy the world\" then he opened a safe behind his desk and set stacks of hundred dollar bills on his desk, made two equal piles, do not talk to anyone, I'm flying to Iran tomorrow, to give the \"resistance\" one of these piles of money, I'll only be gone one day, hold down the fort for me. He was back, a full day later, mission accomplished. Something is wrong with my reddit account, my user name is \"SirGlenn\" but this \"puzzleheadedsand\" has been in some of my header lines?",
">\n\nWhite Power!"
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"When will they actually have nukes?",
">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?",
">\n\nOn the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow. \nCountries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying.",
">\n\nIn this case the aggression is coming from Iran towards a nuclear-armed country, so it's not that simple.",
">\n\n\ncoming from Iran \n\nNo, it's not. Quite clearly.",
">\n\nReally? Did we provoke them to start funding murderous antisemites around here?",
">\n\nHopefully with this WW the racists and religious zealots will either calm tf down or be eliminated altogether.",
">\n\nNATO is a force to be reckoned with, but if things are shaping up to have conflict on 3 fronts, with 3 separate enemies all of whom are attacking on their own respective fronts, NATO's number strength might not be as great as people like to believe.",
">\n\nWhat other conflict is NATO involved in?",
">\n\nNothing yet, but I can see how this could progress with Russia-Ukraine (possibly pulling Belarus in) China-Taiwan, Iran (and possibly Palestine joining)-Israel (if Israel takes up arms against Iran, they will certainly retaliate) so the flow chart I'm seeing here is, \nIsrael engages Iran, as a non NATO member with special member benefits, could pull NATO in, if that happens China could see the opportunity to attack Taiwan (a non NATO state but whom the US has pledged assistance in the event of an attack). North Korea could take the US's diverted man power and open up artillery on South Korea, possibly Japan (I'm not sure of their membership, but I don't think Japan is in NATO, I'll check after this) that would leave the bulk of the US response unavailable if Russia and Belarus push hard into Ukraine, from there Moldova, and other non NATO states in the immediate area, \nThe 3 main nations in this have stood pretty strong together recently. And I believe could/would absolutely take advantage of any instability. I don't believe NATO can preemptively fire nuclear weapons, if that's the case, the opposing forces need only stick to conventional weapons.\nJapan is not a NATO member, but has an agreement between Japan and US.\nNATO renounced nuclear first strike policies",
">\n\n\nthat would leave the bulk of the US response unavailable if Russia and Belarus push hard into Ukraine, from there Moldova\n\nLol. Are you really going to pretend Russia hasn't been \"pushing hard into Ukraine?\"\nThe rest of what you wrote is not much better.",
">\n\nI knew a couple relatives of the Shah when I lived in Los Angeles, one of them, a middle aged man said to me, he was very upset, \"do not let them get nuclear technology, they are all insane and will destroy the world\" then he opened a safe behind his desk and set stacks of hundred dollar bills on his desk, made two equal piles, do not talk to anyone, I'm flying to Iran tomorrow, to give the \"resistance\" one of these piles of money, I'll only be gone one day, hold down the fort for me. He was back, a full day later, mission accomplished. Something is wrong with my reddit account, my user name is \"SirGlenn\" but this \"puzzleheadedsand\" has been in some of my header lines?",
">\n\nWhite Power!",
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">\n\nHere is a possible timetable from a thoroughly reputable source.",
">\n\nSo within 12 months we should be expecting Israel and Iran to go to war.",
">\n\nI'd think only a few targeted strikes and Iran can no longer make anything like what they have or will make.",
">\n\nAnd no retaliation of ANY kind would be pursued by Iran?",
">\n\nLike it matters to Israel. They some cold MFers. \nPretty sure they've done it before.",
">\n\nIsrael attacked Iraq in the early '80s, destroying their nuclear research facilities in an airstrike.\nI imagine the Iraq Iran war, and the invasion of Kuwait, would have turned out much differently if Iraq had become a nuclear power.",
">\n\nThey did that with confidence the US would be on their side. I highly doubt the US has the stomach to go to war in Iran right now.",
">\n\nUS has literally said that they will prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons.",
">\n\nObama had an effective deal in place negotiated by John Kerry but it didn't provide an excuse for Israel and others to go to war, so they got Trump to rip it up and here we are. As long as there are religious states that pretend to be democracies and people put religion first, there will be war and bloodshed.",
">\n\nIt's not like AIPAC is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in America funneling 10's of millions into both parties",
">\n\nLots of groups lobby for lots of things. AIPAC opposed the JCPOA but Obama still.got it done because we are a sovereign nation who makes our own decisions.\nQuit blaming Israel for Trump being a shitty President who made poor decisions.\nThis is hardly half a step removed from pure \"Jews control the world\" nonsense.",
">\n\nIsrael is a secular state. You are flat out incorrect if you believe the critique of the government of Israel is the same as saying Jewish people control the world. The Israeli government is wildly corrupt and predatory. That is by no means a reflection of Jewish people, just greedy imperialists.",
">\n\nNow you're using \"Israel\" and \"AIPAC\" interchangeably? Because your last post only talked about AIPAC. Now it's Israel. \nI'm really lost in your conspiracy theories here.\nI think i get it though.... it's not \"all Jews secretly control the world\", it's \"all the people who secretly control the world are Jews\". Very nice. Not problematic.",
">\n\nDifferent person bud.",
">\n\nSorry, I'm really busy conspiring with my secret Jew cabal to destroy America.",
">\n\nFrom one Jewish person to another, you’re an ass and you are only perpetuating the crimes of the Israeli government. It’s a cop out to give them a blanket forgiveness because they “represent” Jewish people.\nYou are really embarrassing yourself trying to pin anyone who has an issue with the Israeli government as an anti-Semite. Come ‘on, you can do better than that",
">\n\nI said Israel would be using some bunker busters on this facility a week ago on Reddit. Y’all down voted me 👌\nBut the truth is they have bombed nuclear facilities before,Iran’s being one of them. Not sure why this is shocking news lol. I would bet Israel pilots have been practicing this exact bombing run the very second it became operational",
">\n\nanyone saying anything about israel that isnt clearly negative is downvoted. Israel is hated on reddit this year.",
">\n\nIn what way is it not a negative that Israel is threatening the stability of the world by attacking an exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?",
">\n\n“exceptionally internationally non-aggressive nation?” Are you talking about Iran?",
">\n\n\"It's totally normal for one nation to routinely threaten to wipe another sovereign nation off the face of the earth and drive Jews into the sea.\" - Reddit tankies, unironically.",
">\n\nAnd give the Iranian regime the ammunition it desperately needs to proclaim to its people that the revolution is foreign-backed and fake so it can turn it around as a foreign invasion attempt?\n\nI'd feel like that could backfire pretty hard for the people whose lives are on the line already.",
">\n\nYeah that’s probably the only reason it hasn’t happened already. But it’s getting to the point that it wouldn’t matter anyway because the vast majority of people nearly 90% hate that regime anyway so they would probably celebrate it",
">\n\nThe people hated the regime 10 years ago too. I'm not as hopeful as you that things will actually change",
">\n\nNot at near the level they do now…and that is the key difference. 10 years ago 50% of the population hated the regime with a passion. Now it is closer to 90% and that is critical. I direct you to r/NewIran to keep you informed of what is actually happening",
">\n\nCheck out operation opera. The israelis are not fucking around when it comes to destroying nuclear capabilities of their enemies",
">\n\nPerformed with help of Iran, from what is known",
">\n\nIran was at war with Iraq. A good enough distraction",
">\n\nNot only this, but Iran also shared with Israel its intelligence (gathered when Iran did a partially successful airstrike on the same reactor a year ago), according to at least one source. Israel used this information to complete the job, coming from the unexpected western direction, as most of Iraq military was facing the East - Iran.\nIt is funny how most of the world was pro-Iraq (including both the US and the USSR) in this war, with Israel being among the few who did something beneficial to Iran instead.",
">\n\nAwesome, we really need World War III, as Iran is good friends with Russia now",
">\n\nWhat will Russia do? Can’t even deal with Ukraine. Aside from nukes, obviously.",
">\n\n\nDon't get me wrong, Russia is struggling heavily but the longer this drags on the worse it gets for Ukraine. The West will struggle to supply them with weapons soon enough thanks to most NATO countries neglecting to spend as much as they'd promised to meaning that most of them lacked appropriate stockpiles. As it currently stands only 10 NATO countries have anything left to give the Ukrainians.\n\nYou do realize we’re just dicking around in the Ukraine, right???\nIf we decided to go balls deep and started supporting and supplying Ukraine with the level of shit we’d be supplying say Poland or Romania. The Russians wouldn’t survive the winter. The only option they’d have would be nuclear and they’d survive just long enough to regret that. You’re right Russia is struggling heavily but... the longer this drags on the worse it gets for them not the Ukraine. They’ve got the backing of countries who’s GDP’s eclipses Russias by orders of magnitudes and has military support stacked to the roof waiting to be FedEx’ed to Kyiv!\n\nAmerica, the world's most powerful military produces about 15,000 missiles and shells per month. Ukraine is blowing through about 5,000 a day. And this is basically as good as it gets in terms of production.\n\nHorseshit!\nA single General Dynamics Ordnance and Tactical Systems plant just went from making 14,000 155mm shells each month to 20,000... one single plant!\n\nAnd this is without taking other things like China/Taiwan into account\n\nDo you honestly have any idea how much military gear and weapons systems we have staged all around the globe? Staggering amounts of stuff in places you’ve never thought of...\nIn one single warehouse on one single base in Korea we have over 8 million M-16’s just sitting there waiting on trigger pullers.\nYou are so far out of your lane here it’s pretty pathetic.",
">\n\n\nThe support that Ukraine is currently receiving is unsustainable.\n\nI spent the better part of my adult life in the US Army, anyone who has seen just 10% of the sustainability that one service branch has would laugh at you. \nWe’re just playing around presently, if we went full scale hold my beer the amount of stuff the Ukraine’s would be receiving would begin to cause strategic problems inside Ukraine because they wouldn’t have the ability to move it fast enough.",
">\n\nYeah I don't think dude understands we're just supplying older munitions that we've stockpiled for our allies who still operate older tech. And we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it. If Ukraine could actually push Russia back to their borders the amount of damage to the Russian military would be insane. Would take years for them to rebuild their stockpiles and start new production lines. Let alone a vast majority of their IT/programmers/scientist have left the country. Tie that in with the massive corruption we've seen in the Russian military industrial complex and you have a very long time before Russia can stand back on its own feet. \nI've read that in Russia most every organization doesn't really get paid much/well so they instead turn to bribes, cutting corners, etc to make more $.",
">\n\n\nAnd we haven't even gone into full blown production mode, which imo we should just for the hell of it.\n\nIt would be epic to witness with current capabilities, the amount of weapons and hardware we could produce would certainly silence the naysayers.",
">\n\nI don't think that guy understands what happens when a country like the US decides to go full scale military production.\nUkraine could be drowning in artillery shells if that is what the US really wanted to do.",
">\n\nExcellent. No matter how shady Israel may be, I still don't want Iran to have nukes.",
">\n\nIf you don't want your neighbour/enemy to acquire nuclear weapons, trying to antagonize and bark at them probably isn't the way, especially when you don't have the capability to do such task.",
">\n\nIsrael does have the capability to do it what are you talking about?",
">\n\nWhat capability? Iran is being a thorn in Israel's ass through their allies like Hezoballah, which Israel had issues trying to beat during 2006. Not to mention, Iran ranks higher in the Firepower Index.\nThe only success Israel achieved was through Mossad, but Agencies can go only so far.",
">\n\nFirepower Index? Am I hallucinating or did you actually type that and clicked reply",
">\n\nThe ranking which ranks Russia 2nd and Ukraine 22nd? Yeah I’m sure this is a very reliable way to decided which side would win",
">\n\nWhich are being supported by...",
">\n\n… the same people who would support Israel.",
">\n\nGood. Iran must not be allowed to become a nuclear state.",
">\n\nWhy is Israel a nuclear state? Why should one country have nukes while the others can’t? Israel has been monger for a war with Iran for decades now. Israel is not innocent either.",
">\n\nMaybe because for its entirety of existence, people from around the block wanted to exterminate it. I mean, Iran says that \"destroying Israel is no longer a dream, but an achievable goal.\"",
">\n\nThat is all war rhetoric that the clown Iranian mullahs perpetuate. You do know that the 2nd holiest site in Islam is situated there.",
">\n\nIt's backed by actions. We see those actions flying over our heads once in a while.",
">\n\nIsrael has routinely asked for usa to help bomb Iran and were a strong supporter of usa attacking Iraq.",
">\n\nIt sure would be terrible if some Middle Eastern power secretly acquired nukes and threatened war with their neighbors.",
">\n\nIran: \"We're going nuclear to prevent Israel from using force.\"",
">\n\nWhich one are you talking about? I feel like Israel is just as bad as Iran. The Jewish people have been dicked too many times throughout history and now they're only ever going to elect far right leaders that want to destroy everybody in the area that's not a Jew.",
">\n\nIsrael is building bridges, metaphorically, with its Arab neighbors while Iran is pissing off everyone in the region by funding militia groups. \nBut hey, Israel is the bad guy here, amirite \n/s.",
">\n\nIran is worse than Irael but that doesnt give them a right to go to another country and blow stuff",
">\n\nIf they can prevent weapons from being built that would have credibly threatened their very survival? They have every right to act.",
">\n\nThats the excuse the russians are making",
">\n\nHence my use of the word \"credibly\". Ukraine has definitely not credibly threatened the existence of Russia, and to suggest they have is laughable.",
">\n\nYou know what. I can agree on that",
">\n\nHow about destroying the drone factories.",
">\n\nThe world is witnessing the horrors Iran's government inflicts on its own citizens for something as petty as not covering up enough or speaking against the government.\nThe government is full of fanatics who torture their own people and is on the verge of collapse anyway, make it obviously very unpredictable and dangerous. Those people will have nothing to lose anymore.\nThis goverment having wmds and marking the Saudis and israel as their first targets is definitely something to be concerned with.\nthe people here still find a way to blame israel for doing everything it possibly can to prevent its people getting erased from reality. \nHow the hell would israel benefit from a war with Iran other than ensuring its safety?\nIt is even more absurd for the pro Palestine people here to not support that. Wtf do you thing is going to happen to their precious land after a nuke?\nIt's literally a no state solution for the conflict.",
">\n\nWW3 is coming. It’s inevitable. Everyone has built up animosity over X,Y,Z over the last 80 years.",
">\n\n\nIf socialism is not victorious, peace between the capitalist States will be only a truce, an interlude, a time of preparation for a fresh slaughter of the peoples. Peace and bread are the basic demands of the workers and the exploited. The war has made these demands extremely urgent. The war has brought hunger to the most civilised countries, to those most culturally developed. On the other hand, the war, as a tremendous historical process, has accelerated social development to an unheard-of degree. Capitalism had developed into imperialism, i.e., into monopoly capitalism, and under the influence of the war it has become state monopoly capitalism. \n\n-For Bread And Peace, VI Lenin, 1917",
">\n\nAh yes, the eternal peacemonger: Soviet Russia",
">\n\nIt’s almost like the goal of socialism is worldwide revolution, or something",
">\n\nI fully support Israel against the Iranian terrorist state. Do whatever it takes.",
">\n\nIsrael is a terrorist state too…",
">\n\nI don't see Israel gunning down women for not wearing their special widdle headscarves, arming Russia to continue their war, be an actual autocratic theocracy, or fund religious terror groups across the globe...",
">\n\nIsrael guns down women and children too. They're just acceptable people to gun down, to redditors.",
">\n\nNot a bad policy to have seeing how DPRK acts with them…",
">\n\nHonestly with how Iran is giving Russia weapons to terrorize Ukraine (this is just one of the issues Iran is doing) , the world should all want to strike those nuclear facilities.. Also they need get those protectors out of jail",
">\n\nThe US arms Saudi Arabia against Yemen. When is the world striking us?",
">\n\nThe sooner the better!",
">\n\nDon't talk ! Act !!",
">\n\nLots of war mongering here.\nLike, no one learn anything from the past twenty years? Another war - ANOTHER WAR - will continue to devastate the middle east. \nAren't there any other solutions besides \"Israel has to strike first!\" \nWars aren't the answer - it's just small groups that benefit (eg USA weapons manufacturing) while MILLIONS of people are going to be affected. \nWhat's the answer to Iran getting nukes? Idk, improve relations between Israel/America and Iran? Sanctions? Treaties? War should be the last resort.",
">\n\nThe arm chair generals have such a hard on for ww3 it’s insane. People truly don’t realize the devastation it would cause it’s like people think it won’t affect them.",
">\n\nMost of the comments come from the US, which hasn't seen a war in its territory for a long long time. Hence it is easy to talk about ww3, where they moat probably will be watchers, while the middle east and most probably the rest of Asia and Europe will be screwed.",
">\n\nThey can fight it by themselves then. We should not get involved period.",
">\n\nLol America pays for it all",
">\n\nWe will prevent you from using force by using force",
">\n\nGo for it. We'll have no part of it. Israel is very capable and resourceful.",
">\n\nBut should Israel have nukes?",
">\n\nWho’s gonna take them away at this point? Honestly it stops their neighbors from trying any funny business, if they could stop being dicks to the Palestinians and wean themselves off US subsidies, they’d be pretty non-controversial",
">\n\nwhich is the exact same reason iran should have nukes. israel has destabilized the entire region to promote their own safety.\nthe usa greed for oil has made israel a power.",
">\n\nWhat oil did USA gain from backing Israel? The opposite happened a lot of oil rich counties restricted oil trades to U.S for their support of Isreal",
">\n\nIf Israel starts a war with Iran, the U.S should pull all military aid. We are not there to be Israel's enabler.\nHonestly, fuck the leadership of both Israel and Iran. Let them fight, by themselves.",
">\n\nUsa would 100% support israel on this, maybe even full invasion.",
">\n\nWar mongering psychos have been wanting war with Iran for decades now.",
">\n\nHear me out, if Israel and Iran go to war, AND other countries stay out of it, then this may solve a lot of the world's problems.",
">\n\nPlease correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of these religions command the destruction of the other? Like doesn't it come down to \"we will destroy you once we have the ability to do so? \" Hypothetically. If Iran Has nuclear strike capability, will they look to use it against Israel the first chance they get?",
">\n\n\"Will\" implies they haven't done so already. Which they have. They've been bombing Iran and doing assassinations inside Iran for years already.",
">\n\nThe sad truth is Iran doesn’t need an actual nuclear missile or device. It has radioactive material and would likely use try to use a dirty bomb as plausible deniability similar to Russian threats against Ukraine",
">\n\nBabe, it’s 2023, time for another proxy war!\nYes honey",
">\n\nTop gun : maverick is about to become a documentary. 100% secret American pilots will be doing the bombings on nuclear facilities instead of Israelis. The US wouldn’t let Israel fumble the bag like that",
">\n\nAlternative title: Israel proves exactly why Iran is developing a Nuclear Deterrent.",
">\n\nWe were allies before their revolution. Our conflict started by Iran's choice, because free Jews contradict their ideology.",
">\n\nEvery Persian Jew I’ve met spoke highly of the culture and people of Iran. When this small minded and backwards theocracy gets toppled it will be a good thing for everyone.",
">\n\nSeems like if if Iran and Isreal do kick it off it might be a good time for someone to drop some ordinance on some drone factories. I am not saying it’s a good idea mind you it just wouldn’t shock me if it happened.",
">\n\nIn what way does this help Palestine? You should be on Watch List",
">\n\nThe status quo which is doing nothing guarantee that nothing help Palestinians, countries with nukes like Russia or Israel get to wreak havoc and subject other populations.\nThe continuation of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians is not cool. Call me a villain for not wanting a status quo of colonization, oppression, ethnic cleansing... I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!",
">\n\n\"I guess I am a radical for wanting Palestinians to have rights!!!\"\nYou still have not explained how this helps Palenstine. Yes you are a radical villain for wanting people to suffer with gaining nothing good. You can't even pretend Isreal is as comically evil as your intentions",
">\n\nIsrael terrorizes Palestinians and aren't exactly the \"good guys\", but stopping Iran from going nuclear is a must. Look how Iran treats its own citizens, kids no less, and imagine what they would do to Israel.",
">\n\nJust blow each other up already. It’s not fun. Your people are suffering you’re terrible leaders for it.",
">\n\nSo will I. Your not getting away with it Iran.",
">\n\nAnd if Israel does the US should make it clear that it condemns such an attack\nThe US has taken a lot of hits for Israel and continues to subsidize them but it should let Israel reap what it sows in the event of an attack. At a certain point the Israel lobby in the US needs to be called out for advocating actions in direct opposition to US interests and ask where their loyalties lies. Enough with hiding behind the evergreen accusations of anti-semitism every frickin time. It is cynical. \nIf Iran attempts to close the Straights of Hormuz in spite of US condemnation then of course that is a declaration of war against US allies in the gulf and a stab in the heart of the world economy and therefore must break such a closure in conjunction with Gulf allies.",
">\n\nWhy would they condemn when stopping Iranian nukes is in the US’ favor",
">\n\nMoral high ground and stuff",
">\n\nWe already lost that with Iraq, Libya and Syria.",
">\n\nThose with privilege see equality as oppression",
">\n\nWe need Jack Ryan!",
">\n\nSeason 3 writing was badly timed re/Ukraine.",
">\n\nJust finished it last night. Still a great show in my book.",
">\n\nSame! Binged it yesterday. I'm almost at the point where I don't feel like I'm seeing Jim Halpert running around Prague. Almost.",
">\n\nDon't worry, he won't be there the entire show! Won't ruin it for you.",
">\n\nSame policy since 2013",
">\n\nTop Gun Maverick vibes",
">\n\nPeople making excuses for Iran acquiring nuclear weapons need to ask themselves if they're okay with Saudi Arabia acquiring them, with the rest of despotic Sunni regimes following suit not long after. Because that's exactly what will happen. There's no way they're just going to throw in the towel and accept Iranian hegemony. \nThe risk of nuclear armageddon is already too damn high, we don't need to be adding fuel to the fire. Yeah,",
">\n\nthey won’t. i’ve lost count of how many times they have made this same threat.",
">\n\nAnd it's June 7th 1981 all over again. מבצע אופרה",
">\n\nSeems like 2023 will be a happy year ! Russia-Ukraine, China-Taiwan, Israël-Iran and crazy Kim still threatening",
">\n\nOutside of a nuclear war, What’s the worst that could happen if Iran had nukes?",
">\n\nGood, last thing we need is another Russia",
">\n\nThe nation that cries incessantly about its own sovereignty making this statement is hilarious.",
">\n\nLesser of the 2 evils 😈?",
">\n\nOn the one hand nuclear weapons in the wrong hands can lead to devastating results for the entire humanity. On the other lack of nuclear deterrent can open you to unhindered military aggression from countries with such weapons as shown by Russia-Ukraine war. Since it's clearly impossible to enforce denuclearization protocols and effectively reduce the amount of nuclear warheads we can try the opposite. Let every country obtain weapon grade nuclear material (without delivery system though). If Iran (and it's allies) is set on obtaining nuclear weapons then Ukraine and Taiwan should follow. \nCountries (and humanity in general) need to learn to respect each other. Or die trying.",
">\n\nIn this case the aggression is coming from Iran towards a nuclear-armed country, so it's not that simple.",
">\n\n\ncoming from Iran \n\nNo, it's not. Quite clearly.",
">\n\nReally? Did we provoke them to start funding murderous antisemites around here?",
">\n\nHopefully with this WW the racists and religious zealots will either calm tf down or be eliminated altogether.",
">\n\nNATO is a force to be reckoned with, but if things are shaping up to have conflict on 3 fronts, with 3 separate enemies all of whom are attacking on their own respective fronts, NATO's number strength might not be as great as people like to believe.",
">\n\nWhat other conflict is NATO involved in?",
">\n\nNothing yet, but I can see how this could progress with Russia-Ukraine (possibly pulling Belarus in) China-Taiwan, Iran (and possibly Palestine joining)-Israel (if Israel takes up arms against Iran, they will certainly retaliate) so the flow chart I'm seeing here is, \nIsrael engages Iran, as a non NATO member with special member benefits, could pull NATO in, if that happens China could see the opportunity to attack Taiwan (a non NATO state but whom the US has pledged assistance in the event of an attack). North Korea could take the US's diverted man power and open up artillery on South Korea, possibly Japan (I'm not sure of their membership, but I don't think Japan is in NATO, I'll check after this) that would leave the bulk of the US response unavailable if Russia and Belarus push hard into Ukraine, from there Moldova, and other non NATO states in the immediate area, \nThe 3 main nations in this have stood pretty strong together recently. And I believe could/would absolutely take advantage of any instability. I don't believe NATO can preemptively fire nuclear weapons, if that's the case, the opposing forces need only stick to conventional weapons.\nJapan is not a NATO member, but has an agreement between Japan and US.\nNATO renounced nuclear first strike policies",
">\n\n\nthat would leave the bulk of the US response unavailable if Russia and Belarus push hard into Ukraine, from there Moldova\n\nLol. Are you really going to pretend Russia hasn't been \"pushing hard into Ukraine?\"\nThe rest of what you wrote is not much better.",
">\n\nI knew a couple relatives of the Shah when I lived in Los Angeles, one of them, a middle aged man said to me, he was very upset, \"do not let them get nuclear technology, they are all insane and will destroy the world\" then he opened a safe behind his desk and set stacks of hundred dollar bills on his desk, made two equal piles, do not talk to anyone, I'm flying to Iran tomorrow, to give the \"resistance\" one of these piles of money, I'll only be gone one day, hold down the fort for me. He was back, a full day later, mission accomplished. Something is wrong with my reddit account, my user name is \"SirGlenn\" but this \"puzzleheadedsand\" has been in some of my header lines?",
">\n\nWhite Power!",
">\n\nDear",
">\n\n*"
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I expect the unwanted born children will also experience high levels of suicide. That said, I think Republicans are okay with this so long as they get enough poor and uneducated people out of the deal
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I think they're more interested in a Stepford Wives scenerio. They believe it'd be much easier to 'keep the peace' when others can't exercise their right to protest their decisions.
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This isn’t surprising at all. I couldn’t even imagine facing a birth that you’re not ready for. It’s a basic human right to have access to an abortion. America is so fucky. I’m glad abortion was legalized in Michigan, but I feel so sorry for other states that don’t have this protection.
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">\n\nI expect the unwanted born children will also experience high levels of suicide. That said, I think Republicans are okay with this so long as they get enough poor and uneducated people out of the deal",
">\n\nI think they're more interested in a Stepford Wives scenerio. They believe it'd be much easier to 'keep the peace' when others can't exercise their right to protest their decisions."
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Sadly in Texas we are governed by Chuckfucks, enjoy it in Michigan
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">\n\nI expect the unwanted born children will also experience high levels of suicide. That said, I think Republicans are okay with this so long as they get enough poor and uneducated people out of the deal",
">\n\nI think they're more interested in a Stepford Wives scenerio. They believe it'd be much easier to 'keep the peace' when others can't exercise their right to protest their decisions.",
">\n\nThis isn’t surprising at all. I couldn’t even imagine facing a birth that you’re not ready for. It’s a basic human right to have access to an abortion. America is so fucky. I’m glad abortion was legalized in Michigan, but I feel so sorry for other states that don’t have this protection."
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Suicide is the cause of 3 in 8 maternal deaths for people age 19 and under in El Salvador - a country with a blanket ban on abortion.
This is the future in red states.
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">\n\nI expect the unwanted born children will also experience high levels of suicide. That said, I think Republicans are okay with this so long as they get enough poor and uneducated people out of the deal",
">\n\nI think they're more interested in a Stepford Wives scenerio. They believe it'd be much easier to 'keep the peace' when others can't exercise their right to protest their decisions.",
">\n\nThis isn’t surprising at all. I couldn’t even imagine facing a birth that you’re not ready for. It’s a basic human right to have access to an abortion. America is so fucky. I’m glad abortion was legalized in Michigan, but I feel so sorry for other states that don’t have this protection.",
">\n\nSadly in Texas we are governed by Chuckfucks, enjoy it in Michigan"
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This is Republican governance.
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">\n\nI expect the unwanted born children will also experience high levels of suicide. That said, I think Republicans are okay with this so long as they get enough poor and uneducated people out of the deal",
">\n\nI think they're more interested in a Stepford Wives scenerio. They believe it'd be much easier to 'keep the peace' when others can't exercise their right to protest their decisions.",
">\n\nThis isn’t surprising at all. I couldn’t even imagine facing a birth that you’re not ready for. It’s a basic human right to have access to an abortion. America is so fucky. I’m glad abortion was legalized in Michigan, but I feel so sorry for other states that don’t have this protection.",
">\n\nSadly in Texas we are governed by Chuckfucks, enjoy it in Michigan",
">\n\nSuicide is the cause of 3 in 8 maternal deaths for people age 19 and under in El Salvador - a country with a blanket ban on abortion. \nThis is the future in red states."
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Clearly the GOP solution to this is to lock pregnant women inside of veal-calf cages until they give birth. When that doesn't work, they'll decree that once a woman is of breeding age she shall be confined to a veal-calf cage (rebranded as Fertility Suites) and inseminated once every two years. For God and Country!
Obviously once they've birthed they'll be thrown back into the world for two years and be told to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
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">\n\nI expect the unwanted born children will also experience high levels of suicide. That said, I think Republicans are okay with this so long as they get enough poor and uneducated people out of the deal",
">\n\nI think they're more interested in a Stepford Wives scenerio. They believe it'd be much easier to 'keep the peace' when others can't exercise their right to protest their decisions.",
">\n\nThis isn’t surprising at all. I couldn’t even imagine facing a birth that you’re not ready for. It’s a basic human right to have access to an abortion. America is so fucky. I’m glad abortion was legalized in Michigan, but I feel so sorry for other states that don’t have this protection.",
">\n\nSadly in Texas we are governed by Chuckfucks, enjoy it in Michigan",
">\n\nSuicide is the cause of 3 in 8 maternal deaths for people age 19 and under in El Salvador - a country with a blanket ban on abortion. \nThis is the future in red states.",
">\n\nThis is Republican governance."
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That's the gender equality Republicans are gunning for. They don't want women to get the privileges men do, they just want women to be as willing to off themselves as men do want to off themselves.
Everything Republicans for make sense when you understand the philosophy of "Fuck you, your terrible life makes me feel good about my own shifty life".
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">\n\nI expect the unwanted born children will also experience high levels of suicide. That said, I think Republicans are okay with this so long as they get enough poor and uneducated people out of the deal",
">\n\nI think they're more interested in a Stepford Wives scenerio. They believe it'd be much easier to 'keep the peace' when others can't exercise their right to protest their decisions.",
">\n\nThis isn’t surprising at all. I couldn’t even imagine facing a birth that you’re not ready for. It’s a basic human right to have access to an abortion. America is so fucky. I’m glad abortion was legalized in Michigan, but I feel so sorry for other states that don’t have this protection.",
">\n\nSadly in Texas we are governed by Chuckfucks, enjoy it in Michigan",
">\n\nSuicide is the cause of 3 in 8 maternal deaths for people age 19 and under in El Salvador - a country with a blanket ban on abortion. \nThis is the future in red states.",
">\n\nThis is Republican governance.",
">\n\nClearly the GOP solution to this is to lock pregnant women inside of veal-calf cages until they give birth. When that doesn't work, they'll decree that once a woman is of breeding age she shall be confined to a veal-calf cage (rebranded as Fertility Suites) and inseminated once every two years. For God and Country!\nObviously once they've birthed they'll be thrown back into the world for two years and be told to pull themselves up by their bootstraps."
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Apologies for being pedantic, but I think it's important to point out - men and women attempt suicide at the same rate in America. Men tend to have more "successful" (I hate to use that word) attempts due to gendered choices in suicide methods.
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">\n\nI expect the unwanted born children will also experience high levels of suicide. That said, I think Republicans are okay with this so long as they get enough poor and uneducated people out of the deal",
">\n\nI think they're more interested in a Stepford Wives scenerio. They believe it'd be much easier to 'keep the peace' when others can't exercise their right to protest their decisions.",
">\n\nThis isn’t surprising at all. I couldn’t even imagine facing a birth that you’re not ready for. It’s a basic human right to have access to an abortion. America is so fucky. I’m glad abortion was legalized in Michigan, but I feel so sorry for other states that don’t have this protection.",
">\n\nSadly in Texas we are governed by Chuckfucks, enjoy it in Michigan",
">\n\nSuicide is the cause of 3 in 8 maternal deaths for people age 19 and under in El Salvador - a country with a blanket ban on abortion. \nThis is the future in red states.",
">\n\nThis is Republican governance.",
">\n\nClearly the GOP solution to this is to lock pregnant women inside of veal-calf cages until they give birth. When that doesn't work, they'll decree that once a woman is of breeding age she shall be confined to a veal-calf cage (rebranded as Fertility Suites) and inseminated once every two years. For God and Country!\nObviously once they've birthed they'll be thrown back into the world for two years and be told to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.",
">\n\nThat's the gender equality Republicans are gunning for. They don't want women to get the privileges men do, they just want women to be as willing to off themselves as men do want to off themselves.\nEverything Republicans for make sense when you understand the philosophy of \"Fuck you, your terrible life makes me feel good about my own shifty life\"."
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Nothing like carrying your dads baby to term to really depress you.
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[
"Conservatives: \"wElL... tHeY sHoUlD hAvE kEpT tHeIr LeGs ClOsEd!.\"",
">\n\nI expect the unwanted born children will also experience high levels of suicide. That said, I think Republicans are okay with this so long as they get enough poor and uneducated people out of the deal",
">\n\nI think they're more interested in a Stepford Wives scenerio. They believe it'd be much easier to 'keep the peace' when others can't exercise their right to protest their decisions.",
">\n\nThis isn’t surprising at all. I couldn’t even imagine facing a birth that you’re not ready for. It’s a basic human right to have access to an abortion. America is so fucky. I’m glad abortion was legalized in Michigan, but I feel so sorry for other states that don’t have this protection.",
">\n\nSadly in Texas we are governed by Chuckfucks, enjoy it in Michigan",
">\n\nSuicide is the cause of 3 in 8 maternal deaths for people age 19 and under in El Salvador - a country with a blanket ban on abortion. \nThis is the future in red states.",
">\n\nThis is Republican governance.",
">\n\nClearly the GOP solution to this is to lock pregnant women inside of veal-calf cages until they give birth. When that doesn't work, they'll decree that once a woman is of breeding age she shall be confined to a veal-calf cage (rebranded as Fertility Suites) and inseminated once every two years. For God and Country!\nObviously once they've birthed they'll be thrown back into the world for two years and be told to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.",
">\n\nThat's the gender equality Republicans are gunning for. They don't want women to get the privileges men do, they just want women to be as willing to off themselves as men do want to off themselves.\nEverything Republicans for make sense when you understand the philosophy of \"Fuck you, your terrible life makes me feel good about my own shifty life\".",
">\n\nApologies for being pedantic, but I think it's important to point out - men and women attempt suicide at the same rate in America. Men tend to have more \"successful\" (I hate to use that word) attempts due to gendered choices in suicide methods."
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In Hawaii we have elections for the Office of Hawaiian Affairs. I have no Hawaiian blood so I choose not to vote in that segment. I think Hawaiian affairs are for Hawaiians.
As a man I cannot grow a baby as I have no uterus. I think pregnancy is 100% a woman’s choice and if she cares for the sperm producer he will be involved with that choice. There isn’t a man out there who would agree that government should force us to do anything with our man genitals.
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[
"Conservatives: \"wElL... tHeY sHoUlD hAvE kEpT tHeIr LeGs ClOsEd!.\"",
">\n\nI expect the unwanted born children will also experience high levels of suicide. That said, I think Republicans are okay with this so long as they get enough poor and uneducated people out of the deal",
">\n\nI think they're more interested in a Stepford Wives scenerio. They believe it'd be much easier to 'keep the peace' when others can't exercise their right to protest their decisions.",
">\n\nThis isn’t surprising at all. I couldn’t even imagine facing a birth that you’re not ready for. It’s a basic human right to have access to an abortion. America is so fucky. I’m glad abortion was legalized in Michigan, but I feel so sorry for other states that don’t have this protection.",
">\n\nSadly in Texas we are governed by Chuckfucks, enjoy it in Michigan",
">\n\nSuicide is the cause of 3 in 8 maternal deaths for people age 19 and under in El Salvador - a country with a blanket ban on abortion. \nThis is the future in red states.",
">\n\nThis is Republican governance.",
">\n\nClearly the GOP solution to this is to lock pregnant women inside of veal-calf cages until they give birth. When that doesn't work, they'll decree that once a woman is of breeding age she shall be confined to a veal-calf cage (rebranded as Fertility Suites) and inseminated once every two years. For God and Country!\nObviously once they've birthed they'll be thrown back into the world for two years and be told to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.",
">\n\nThat's the gender equality Republicans are gunning for. They don't want women to get the privileges men do, they just want women to be as willing to off themselves as men do want to off themselves.\nEverything Republicans for make sense when you understand the philosophy of \"Fuck you, your terrible life makes me feel good about my own shifty life\".",
">\n\nApologies for being pedantic, but I think it's important to point out - men and women attempt suicide at the same rate in America. Men tend to have more \"successful\" (I hate to use that word) attempts due to gendered choices in suicide methods.",
">\n\nNothing like carrying your dads baby to term to really depress you."
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There are at least two governments, if not up to six, that could and would be banning vasectomies and making castration illegal except for capital punishment, but the countries in question would not be germane to the current conversation.
Still, as soon as the GOP decides the number of vasectomies is outsized to their actual voters, they'll start going after doctors in roving RVs doing the procedure in conservative states. The first time the Highway Patrol runs one of those doctors and parades him in the conservative media as committing malpractice is when that shit is threatened even in blue states.
Right now they aren't going to attack parents that already have at least two kids and are getting vasectomies because those are more than likely their voters still (a lot of MAGA voters that vote against abortion still will advocate or schedule/get vasectomies)
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[
"Conservatives: \"wElL... tHeY sHoUlD hAvE kEpT tHeIr LeGs ClOsEd!.\"",
">\n\nI expect the unwanted born children will also experience high levels of suicide. That said, I think Republicans are okay with this so long as they get enough poor and uneducated people out of the deal",
">\n\nI think they're more interested in a Stepford Wives scenerio. They believe it'd be much easier to 'keep the peace' when others can't exercise their right to protest their decisions.",
">\n\nThis isn’t surprising at all. I couldn’t even imagine facing a birth that you’re not ready for. It’s a basic human right to have access to an abortion. America is so fucky. I’m glad abortion was legalized in Michigan, but I feel so sorry for other states that don’t have this protection.",
">\n\nSadly in Texas we are governed by Chuckfucks, enjoy it in Michigan",
">\n\nSuicide is the cause of 3 in 8 maternal deaths for people age 19 and under in El Salvador - a country with a blanket ban on abortion. \nThis is the future in red states.",
">\n\nThis is Republican governance.",
">\n\nClearly the GOP solution to this is to lock pregnant women inside of veal-calf cages until they give birth. When that doesn't work, they'll decree that once a woman is of breeding age she shall be confined to a veal-calf cage (rebranded as Fertility Suites) and inseminated once every two years. For God and Country!\nObviously once they've birthed they'll be thrown back into the world for two years and be told to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.",
">\n\nThat's the gender equality Republicans are gunning for. They don't want women to get the privileges men do, they just want women to be as willing to off themselves as men do want to off themselves.\nEverything Republicans for make sense when you understand the philosophy of \"Fuck you, your terrible life makes me feel good about my own shifty life\".",
">\n\nApologies for being pedantic, but I think it's important to point out - men and women attempt suicide at the same rate in America. Men tend to have more \"successful\" (I hate to use that word) attempts due to gendered choices in suicide methods.",
">\n\nNothing like carrying your dads baby to term to really depress you.",
">\n\nIn Hawaii we have elections for the Office of Hawaiian Affairs. I have no Hawaiian blood so I choose not to vote in that segment. I think Hawaiian affairs are for Hawaiians. \nAs a man I cannot grow a baby as I have no uterus. I think pregnancy is 100% a woman’s choice and if she cares for the sperm producer he will be involved with that choice. There isn’t a man out there who would agree that government should force us to do anything with our man genitals."
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>
No shit! That’s what happened before abortion was legal and before birth control pills.
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[
"Conservatives: \"wElL... tHeY sHoUlD hAvE kEpT tHeIr LeGs ClOsEd!.\"",
">\n\nI expect the unwanted born children will also experience high levels of suicide. That said, I think Republicans are okay with this so long as they get enough poor and uneducated people out of the deal",
">\n\nI think they're more interested in a Stepford Wives scenerio. They believe it'd be much easier to 'keep the peace' when others can't exercise their right to protest their decisions.",
">\n\nThis isn’t surprising at all. I couldn’t even imagine facing a birth that you’re not ready for. It’s a basic human right to have access to an abortion. America is so fucky. I’m glad abortion was legalized in Michigan, but I feel so sorry for other states that don’t have this protection.",
">\n\nSadly in Texas we are governed by Chuckfucks, enjoy it in Michigan",
">\n\nSuicide is the cause of 3 in 8 maternal deaths for people age 19 and under in El Salvador - a country with a blanket ban on abortion. \nThis is the future in red states.",
">\n\nThis is Republican governance.",
">\n\nClearly the GOP solution to this is to lock pregnant women inside of veal-calf cages until they give birth. When that doesn't work, they'll decree that once a woman is of breeding age she shall be confined to a veal-calf cage (rebranded as Fertility Suites) and inseminated once every two years. For God and Country!\nObviously once they've birthed they'll be thrown back into the world for two years and be told to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.",
">\n\nThat's the gender equality Republicans are gunning for. They don't want women to get the privileges men do, they just want women to be as willing to off themselves as men do want to off themselves.\nEverything Republicans for make sense when you understand the philosophy of \"Fuck you, your terrible life makes me feel good about my own shifty life\".",
">\n\nApologies for being pedantic, but I think it's important to point out - men and women attempt suicide at the same rate in America. Men tend to have more \"successful\" (I hate to use that word) attempts due to gendered choices in suicide methods.",
">\n\nNothing like carrying your dads baby to term to really depress you.",
">\n\nIn Hawaii we have elections for the Office of Hawaiian Affairs. I have no Hawaiian blood so I choose not to vote in that segment. I think Hawaiian affairs are for Hawaiians. \nAs a man I cannot grow a baby as I have no uterus. I think pregnancy is 100% a woman’s choice and if she cares for the sperm producer he will be involved with that choice. There isn’t a man out there who would agree that government should force us to do anything with our man genitals.",
">\n\nThere are at least two governments, if not up to six, that could and would be banning vasectomies and making castration illegal except for capital punishment, but the countries in question would not be germane to the current conversation.\nStill, as soon as the GOP decides the number of vasectomies is outsized to their actual voters, they'll start going after doctors in roving RVs doing the procedure in conservative states. The first time the Highway Patrol runs one of those doctors and parades him in the conservative media as committing malpractice is when that shit is threatened even in blue states.\nRight now they aren't going to attack parents that already have at least two kids and are getting vasectomies because those are more than likely their voters still (a lot of MAGA voters that vote against abortion still will advocate or schedule/get vasectomies)"
] |
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[
"Conservatives: \"wElL... tHeY sHoUlD hAvE kEpT tHeIr LeGs ClOsEd!.\"",
">\n\nI expect the unwanted born children will also experience high levels of suicide. That said, I think Republicans are okay with this so long as they get enough poor and uneducated people out of the deal",
">\n\nI think they're more interested in a Stepford Wives scenerio. They believe it'd be much easier to 'keep the peace' when others can't exercise their right to protest their decisions.",
">\n\nThis isn’t surprising at all. I couldn’t even imagine facing a birth that you’re not ready for. It’s a basic human right to have access to an abortion. America is so fucky. I’m glad abortion was legalized in Michigan, but I feel so sorry for other states that don’t have this protection.",
">\n\nSadly in Texas we are governed by Chuckfucks, enjoy it in Michigan",
">\n\nSuicide is the cause of 3 in 8 maternal deaths for people age 19 and under in El Salvador - a country with a blanket ban on abortion. \nThis is the future in red states.",
">\n\nThis is Republican governance.",
">\n\nClearly the GOP solution to this is to lock pregnant women inside of veal-calf cages until they give birth. When that doesn't work, they'll decree that once a woman is of breeding age she shall be confined to a veal-calf cage (rebranded as Fertility Suites) and inseminated once every two years. For God and Country!\nObviously once they've birthed they'll be thrown back into the world for two years and be told to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.",
">\n\nThat's the gender equality Republicans are gunning for. They don't want women to get the privileges men do, they just want women to be as willing to off themselves as men do want to off themselves.\nEverything Republicans for make sense when you understand the philosophy of \"Fuck you, your terrible life makes me feel good about my own shifty life\".",
">\n\nApologies for being pedantic, but I think it's important to point out - men and women attempt suicide at the same rate in America. Men tend to have more \"successful\" (I hate to use that word) attempts due to gendered choices in suicide methods.",
">\n\nNothing like carrying your dads baby to term to really depress you.",
">\n\nIn Hawaii we have elections for the Office of Hawaiian Affairs. I have no Hawaiian blood so I choose not to vote in that segment. I think Hawaiian affairs are for Hawaiians. \nAs a man I cannot grow a baby as I have no uterus. I think pregnancy is 100% a woman’s choice and if she cares for the sperm producer he will be involved with that choice. There isn’t a man out there who would agree that government should force us to do anything with our man genitals.",
">\n\nThere are at least two governments, if not up to six, that could and would be banning vasectomies and making castration illegal except for capital punishment, but the countries in question would not be germane to the current conversation.\nStill, as soon as the GOP decides the number of vasectomies is outsized to their actual voters, they'll start going after doctors in roving RVs doing the procedure in conservative states. The first time the Highway Patrol runs one of those doctors and parades him in the conservative media as committing malpractice is when that shit is threatened even in blue states.\nRight now they aren't going to attack parents that already have at least two kids and are getting vasectomies because those are more than likely their voters still (a lot of MAGA voters that vote against abortion still will advocate or schedule/get vasectomies)",
">\n\nNo shit! That’s what happened before abortion was legal and before birth control pills."
] |
Importing goods made with forced labor violates federal trade laws.
There is no lawsuit at this point. At the end of the article there are links to 8 auto manufacturer draft letters. This is a public pressure campaign. If you agree, send some letters.
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I thought it already established that it was legal to use slave labour as long it was a contractor doing it?
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"Importing goods made with forced labor violates federal trade laws. \n\nThere is no lawsuit at this point. At the end of the article there are links to 8 auto manufacturer draft letters. This is a public pressure campaign. If you agree, send some letters."
] |
>
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[
"Importing goods made with forced labor violates federal trade laws. \n\nThere is no lawsuit at this point. At the end of the article there are links to 8 auto manufacturer draft letters. This is a public pressure campaign. If you agree, send some letters.",
">\n\nI thought it already established that it was legal to use slave labour as long it was a contractor doing it?"
] |
Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.
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He has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this."
] |
>
I'm so happy that I've not seen it.
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[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not."
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Damn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!
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[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it."
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What dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.
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[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!"
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While also an ass.
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[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong."
] |
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I just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...
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[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass."
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Was he more senior than Jared?
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[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house..."
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He still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81
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[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?"
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Anyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go "lalalalalalala" if you present them with facts.
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[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81"
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Mine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.
And they wonder why I don’t visit.
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[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts."
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>
Isn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?
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[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit."
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Yup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns.
But Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.
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[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?"
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the Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than "Buttery males". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to "investigate" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.
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[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant."
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Look bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.
|
[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans."
] |
>
I thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was "fake news". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.
|
[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence."
] |
>
You can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).
I have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.
|
[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays."
] |
>
He believes the number of people affected was "greatly exaggerated by the media", who apparently are "out to get Elon". From there it descended into a rant about "the left" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.
Musk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.
|
[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators."
] |
>
There are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.
|
[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer."
] |
>
Right wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.
|
[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it."
] |
>
TL;DR:
No, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities.
Details:
•No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.
•the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.
•There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.
-Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the "opportunity to meet [his] father" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.
•Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.
•Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.
•in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.
•the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.
51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs.
For whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.
|
[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently."
] |
>
Why do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.
|
[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence."
] |
>
That’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.
I said what I said 🤷♂️
|
[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed."
] |
>
I wasn’t referencing you, just the media.
|
[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️"
] |
>
Avoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.
|
[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media."
] |
>
My favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:
Hunter flew a laptop "containing evidence of his crimes" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.
He took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.
He took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.
He took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.
There are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.
The man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.
That sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.
The blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.
The blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.
The blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.
The blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.
The EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.
The blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.
Rudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).
While the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled "Salacious Pictures Package". The others were "Mail" and "Big Guy File".
Trump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.
Republicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.
The New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.
Fox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.
The blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that "there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop".
The blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, "he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.
That's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, "you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that".
|
[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far."
] |
>
How’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.
|
[
"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\"."
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Don’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny."
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On the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.
I know what do you expect for 10 minutes.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them."
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IMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes."
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Better to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one."
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No republicans in my family.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject."
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Biden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family."
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Seems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it"
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Just remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.
Or ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it",
">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation."
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This article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained.
Too bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it",
">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.",
">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration."
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Wow, A whole lot of NOTHING!
Gee, what a Surprise!
That won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it",
">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.",
">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.",
">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House."
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I don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it",
">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.",
">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.",
">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.",
">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing."
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What Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.
This is inevitable.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it",
">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.",
">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.",
">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.",
">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.",
">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t."
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I prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it",
">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.",
">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.",
">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.",
">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.",
">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable."
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Nice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it",
">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.",
">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.",
">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.",
">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.",
">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.",
">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections."
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Good luck with that.
They have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it",
">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.",
">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.",
">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.",
">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.",
">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.",
">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.",
">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen."
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Everyone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it",
">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.",
">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.",
">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.",
">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.",
">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.",
">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.",
">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.",
">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of."
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Remember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it",
">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.",
">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.",
">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.",
">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.",
">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.",
">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.",
">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.",
">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.",
">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone."
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Eh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it",
">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.",
">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.",
">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.",
">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.",
">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.",
">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.",
">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.",
">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.",
">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.",
">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers."
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"covered it up" is a weird term to use.
The "story", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.
Should the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a "cover up" if they don't?
The mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it",
">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.",
">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.",
">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.",
">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.",
">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.",
">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.",
">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.",
">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.",
">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.",
">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.",
">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B"
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These "How to argue politics with your relatives" articles we are seeing every holiday now are fucking weird. We are passing out political talking points for family dinners now?
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"Most of the shit I hear about Hunter is stuff that doesn't need to be debunked. He's the vice president's son and does a lot of drugs and gets sweet business deals he didn't earn? Let me know when a child of a parent in high office doesn't do this.",
">\n\nHe has a massive hog, which I think we can safely assume Don Jr and Eric do not.",
">\n\nI'm so happy that I've not seen it.",
">\n\nDamn you Twitter and your dong suppression!!",
">\n\nWhat dong suppression? Elon's account is still very active and he's a massive dong.",
">\n\nWhile also an ass.",
">\n\nI just enjoy asking my relatives what hunter's position is at the white house...",
">\n\nWas he more senior than Jared?",
">\n\nHe still is, Hunter was born in ‘70, Kushner in ‘81",
">\n\nAnyone that has MAGA relatives will tell you that they figuratively (or maybe literally it wouldn't surprise me) stick their fingers in their ears and go \"lalalalalalala\" if you present them with facts.",
">\n\nMine stick their fingers in their ears and start screaming irrelevant Bible verses after I start answering questions that they asked. Not even joking. It has happened four times that I can recall.\nAnd they wonder why I don’t visit.",
">\n\nIsn't there a terribly wholesome verse about a man sending his daughters out to be raped by a mob to protect a Christian man that was being chased?",
">\n\nYup. Lot and the townspeople of sodom and Gomorrah, towns that had just experienced horrific battles and were justifiably wary of newcomers, including Lot and his family who still weren’t living inside the towns. \nBut Lot and family left, the towns were destroyed, and the daughters thought they were the only humans left on earth so they got their dad drunk in a cave so they could rape him and get pregnant.",
">\n\nthe Hunter Biden laptop obsession might be worse than \"Buttery males\". The GOP is insane, this is what they are going to \"investigate\" during their time owning the House instead of actually helping Americans.",
">\n\nLook bruv, if any of my family starts talking about Hunter motherfucking Biden they can talk to the hand and kiss my shiny metal ass. That’s it. No discussion will be had. And they will be immediately informed of their unfitness for being in my fucking presence.",
">\n\nI thought I was safe, and then my elderly father started talking about how the reports that Elon Musk fired most of Twitter's staff was \"fake news\". I thought he hadn't fallen prey to any of that crap, but he owns a Tesla and is a total Elon fanboy, so that was the gateway drug. The conversation went downhill from there, and it became apparent that my dad was at least sympathetic to a bunch of right wing crap if not outright supportive of it. It really ruined my holidays.",
">\n\nYou can ask dear ol dad what the appropriate way to fire or lay off workers. Twitter (trump) or email (musk)? Neither one has done it the cool way (Apprentice style).\nI have been told a bunch of times that these rich guys are job creators.",
">\n\nHe believes the number of people affected was \"greatly exaggerated by the media\", who apparently are \"out to get Elon\". From there it descended into a rant about \"the left\" (I thought he was pretty liberal) being out to get him because he's letting people back on Twitter.\nMusk is a horrible human being. He demonstrates a lack of humanity constantly. He's no better than Trump, and let me tell you, my dad didn't like me comparing them one bit. To me, they're different flavors of the same cancer.",
">\n\nThere are 2 or 3 floors of hell between those two. But yeah I get it.",
">\n\nRight wing continues this Hunter Biden b.s. Meanwhile, Trump's kids took money from a charity that was meant to be for kids battling cancer, and funneled it to their personal accounts. They have no issues with that, apparently.",
">\n\nTL;DR:\nNo, there is no strong evidence that Joe Biden committed any US crimes surrounding Hunter Biden's activities. \nDetails:\n •No, Joe Biden did not try to protect his son from prosecution. Rather, the prosecutor he got fired was viewed internationally as corrupt because he would not investigate corruption, including at Burisma.\n •the document alleging Hunter made business deals with members of the CCP was a fake. The author and firm named on it do not exist in any capacity. Though he has had business dealings in China, they were not with CCP political members.\n •There is no hard evidence that Joe Biden ever did meet with any of Hunter's business partners for a quid pro quo. The final draft of one deal removed all mentions of Joe; several of Hunter's associates have denied Joe being involved.\n -Even the Burisma executive who thanked Hunter for the \"opportunity to meet [his] father\" evidently never actually did. The exec was not on the guest list for the dinner mentioned as the setting, and Joe himself was evidently only there briefly before moving on to his day.\n •Republican-lead investigations into the above matters found no evidence Joe made any actions to help his son in his business dealings.\n •Hunter's position in Burisma was one he had few to no qualifications for, for which it appears Burisma only hired him on merely to act as a shield against investigation and prosecution - which obviously didn't pan out given the first point above.\n •in 2019 Hunter stepped down from the board of the Chinese investment firm he worked in, specifically to cut out the conflict of interest with his father's upcoming election campaign.\n •the Twitter suppression of the NYT story was in itself not illegal, nor a (good) cover-up given the story was still easily accessible elsewhere. It also had nothing to do with the DNC telling them to do so; they didn't.\n51 former intel officials claimed in 2020 the story is Russian disinfo designed to interfere in the 2020 elections, including several who are Republicans and worked under Trump. This still appears to be true given all the allegations that still aren't solidly evidenced. These officials have no reason to cover for Biden if they ever had anything on him, like they certainly should and would have if they did their jobs. \nFor whatever it's worth, the repair shop owner who leaked it in the first place believes the copies of the contents of the hard drive have been tampered with since then. Says there are now things being shared from the drive that he didn't see in his look through the contents of the laptop, and things he did see that hasn't been. Given the shady chain of custody of the laptop, it might well have been. WaPo independent forensics analysts seem to agree. A copy of the contents as they were when Mac Isaac turned them over seems to be legit, which along with the previous analyses of the later copies shows those who have had it since have indeed tried to fabricate more evidence.",
">\n\nWhy do they keep writing articles about it? Most people who believe this foolishness will not have their beliefs changed.",
">\n\nThat’s because a lot of them can’t be reasoned with.\nI said what I said 🤷♂️",
">\n\nI wasn’t referencing you, just the media.",
">\n\nAvoid the argument all together cause you ain't changing anyone's mind. I haven't been following story and I refuse to. So I would just say, I don't fuckin know and don't care. That's been working so far.",
">\n\nMy favorite thing about the Hunter Biden laptop story, is you have to be committed to believing all of the following, in order, and in totality:\n\nHunter flew a laptop \"containing evidence of his crimes\" 2700 miles from Southern California to Delaware in the summer of 2019.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no payment method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but left no contact method.\nHe took a water damaged laptop with evidence of his crimes to a computer repair shop in Delaware but never attempted to retrieve it.\nThere are no internal or external cameras in the repair shop to prove who dropped off the laptop.\nThe man accepting the laptop is blind, and could not see people, but could see a small sticker on the laptop.\nThat sticker meant the laptop could only belong to Hunter Biden and no one else.\nThe blind man was also a fervent MAGA supporter.\nThe blind MAGA supporter began working on the laptop for which he had not been paid, to a customer he could not contact.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the police.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, but did not call the FBI.\nThe EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs mostly consist of emails, voicemails, and .pdfs of multiple photos, and image scans of documents, which have had all of their metadata stripped and whose origins are untrace-able.\nThe blind MAGA supporter found the EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, and called Rudy Giuliani personally.\nRudy Giuliani takes the laptop (and holds it from the summer of 2019, to the fall before the 2020 election).\nWhile the laptop is in Rudy's possession on the east coast, it is accessed four times from a west-coast IP range, and three new folders are added to the laptop, once of which was labelled \"Salacious Pictures Package\". The others were \"Mail\" and \"Big Guy File\".\nTrump's DOJ eventually subpoenas and obtains the laptop before the 2020 election.\nRepublicans controlled the House, Senate, Supreme Court, White House, and the DOJ, and possessed the laptop, but declined to charge Hunter Biden with anything.\nThe New York Post releases the Hunter Biden laptop story, but no one is willing to publish their name to say they worked on it.\nFox News declines to run the Hunter Biden laptop story out of disbelief in the integrity of the sourcing.\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs later said that \"there have been multiple attempts (after having taken possession of the laptop) to remotely insert questionable material onto the laptop, and passing off this misinformation or disinformation as originally coming from the laptop\".\nThe blind MAGA supporter that found EvIdEnCe oF CrImEs, who admitted there were multiple attempts to remotely place questionable material onto the laptop to pass off as genuine, says that while looking at the contents of the laptop, \"he saw a lot of photos, but he did not see a lot of the photos that are reported to have been seen\". And that some of the stuff that he did originally see, wasn't there anymore.\n\nThat's it. That's the Hunter Biden Laptop story. You have to get through all of that, and then still think, \"you know, that all sounds above board, and nothing's fishy about that\".",
">\n\nHow’s he gonna fix laptops if he’s blind. Those hex screws are pretty tiny.",
">\n\nDon’t even bother wasting your time. If they are this insane to still be screaming about Hunter Biden, it’s long past a discussion. Just ignore them.",
">\n\nOn the day of 12th day Christmas my Q aunt gave to me- 12 cancelled HABBENINGs, 11 failed storms, 10 not so great awakenings, 9 fox news VHS, 8 COVID hoaxes, 7 Trump gold cards, 6 ivermectins, 5 Hunter dick pics, 4-Chan decoders, 3….3,000 buttery males, 2….,000 mules and a buff Trump NFT.\nI know what do you expect for 10 minutes.",
">\n\nIMO if they’re already guzzling the kook-aid then you need to talk to them about anything else but politics. Just change the subject immediately. How’s the weather, grandma. It’s a Russian OP, has always been, and not even a very good one.",
">\n\nBetter to debunk the crazy a little, laugh, and then change the subject.",
">\n\nNo republicans in my family.",
">\n\nBiden’s son is kind of a train wreck, and Biden is guilty of still loving and caring about his son despite him being less than upstanding. But there is zero evidence anywhere that Biden’s train wreck son led to Biden himself doing anything wrong, let alone illegal, and hunter Biden has no involvement in his father’s presidency. Notice how little Biden has said about the tax fraud investigation into his son? And how there aren’t even a single allegation that Biden has done anything to stop this investigation. Hunter isn’t a good look for his father, and Biden could have handled his son better, but fucking hell, seeing this as a scandal after 4 years of trump? Hell, yes, give me political scandals like this one again rather than the president of the US’s attempted extortion of a foreign leader, etc, etc, I’ll take it",
">\n\nSeems like this was debunked when GOP led Congress failed to find any wrongdoing following their pre-election investigation.",
">\n\nJust remind them that the “documents” they’re so pissed about being suppressed were dick pics.\nOr ask them what his role is in Biden’s administration.",
">\n\nThis article actually taught me a lot I didn't know about hunter and I mean come on, guys, you can easily see how it's not a stretch for the right to believe there's something rotten. The guy does look kind of shady. If he was ever to try to hold public office, I can see how this might need to be explained. \nToo bad the right weren't similarly outraged when Jared and Ivanka, who were totally unqualified yet held important cabinet positions, made tens of millions of dollars as a direct result of business dealings undertaken by virtue of their association with the White House.",
">\n\nWow, A whole lot of NOTHING!\nGee, what a Surprise!\nThat won’t stop the perpetually gullible from weaving something out of nothing.",
">\n\nI don’t even care enough about Hunter Biden to spend time debunking anything. Yea go nuts kicking around a guy living in recovery, classy… but whatever you think this is doing, it isn’t.",
">\n\nWhat Republicans learned from Trump is how to over-play a hand.\nThis is inevitable.",
">\n\nI prefer the “ did you know that 99% of right wing anger is finding out the way it is supposed to work in the first place, including elections.",
">\n\nNice try, Slate. I’d have to see them for that to happen.",
">\n\nGood luck with that. \nThey have an entire alternate reality that it's one tiny piece of.",
">\n\nEveryone knows Hunter Biden is a total sleazebag and probably benefited from the nepotism that comes with having a parent in a powerful position. But he actually has very little power in the grand scheme of things and it’s not worth it nor is it necessary to go after the guy. Let him go back to smoking crack and selling paintings that cost as much as a house, he ain’t hurting anyone.",
">\n\nRemember when Trumpy was on the campaign trail and his first year in office and he was sniffling all the time? Amphetamine remembers.",
">\n\nEh I'm borderline a commie and even I'm a little sus about the hunter Biden stuff. I think 90 percent of it is bunk but for a fact the media covered it up in order to help old joey B",
">\n\n\"covered it up\" is a weird term to use.\nThe \"story\", such as it was, doesn't make sense. From a factual, chain-of-events, perspective it does not add up.\nShould the media cover a story that is not based on fact? Is it a \"cover up\" if they don't?\nThe mainstream media doesn't usually cover Bat Boy either, does that mean they are covering it up or does it mean there is nothing substantive there?"
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